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Just looking to see who all would be interested in something of this sort. Just post here if you're interested and i'll be back hopefully later today but if not tomorrow to check on the list. Preferably MT but FT might work

Sounds Ok. I would do it.

bump for more interest :D

im interested, my other zombie threads are not that great.

sweet. looking for a few more then I guess we can start :D lol.

one more bump :D lol

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Me! I want in!

sweet. that's three. I'll post the intro tomorrow morning probably and then we'll get started :D.

Would you post the link here too?

to the IC thread? as soon as I make it in the morning, sure thing. Oh, and more people can join. there really isn't a limit. lol.

just neeed more people

Ok. here's the IC thread. people can join at anytime. Zombie Overrun (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14257618)

whats the Tech setting?

MT i believe.

Can I join? If so, where do I post the charactor infomation (IC or OOC thread?)?

ooc be best to keep the ic clean

well, character info can go IC but everything else outside the RP goes here.

Mt Id will you be RPing?

I will be RPing but I may just be the NPCs in this one. You know, throw in a few expendable characters here and there to keep it interesting for the rest of you. But if there aren't enough real people RPing i'll jump in too.

Allright, there are four types of zombies.

Base: The ones who are the normal zombie view. Shuffling footsteps, moans, weak as all get out, etc. Numbers seem limitless.

Brute: These are the ones who are still in peak physical form. They can run, have a semblance of language and understanding, and can wield crude weapons like crowbars and stuff. They are also insanely strong but they aren't really smart enough to use it well

Intelligent: These are the ones who don't have as much strength but their brains have been mostly untouched. They are still able to think, speak, and move quickly but lack the ability to any serious damage through brute force. They use their intelligence to lead and retain many of their skills from life such as a medic, rifleman, etc. These are fewer than the others.

Super Zed: These are the ones who combine intelligence with brute strength to form the perfect zombie. These are the fewest because only certain traits could lead to one being formed.

Then of course there are the few bosses that I'll add in there so we'll see where they come from eventually. All zombies have the urge to feed on living so that colors all their thoughts and strategies. A zombie can go days without a meal but after a while they begin to become sluggish and unresponsive. Fortunately, the town has plenty of remaining living residents :D lol.

(I believe Angenteria will be one.)

Believe Angenteria will be what?

Also, are we certain on tech level? MT, right?

sry, chern deleted his post. I was saying that you'll probably be a human. and yes it is MT

Awesome, because I got both right!

yup. lol.

Ash Williams Jr.
Why this guy managed to be so isolated: He was in a cabin with friends, his friends have been slowly picked away, only he remains, yo.

Health status: Alive, insane, infected, missing his left hand and a big-toe.

Tactical status: In well barricaded yet isolated building, only feasable means of escape consists of a pickup truck, sadly the keys are on one of his zombie-friends... He died trying to get to the truck... He was also far healthier...

Meanwhile, he's infected, and unless he contacts proper medical attention soon, he'll be dead too. Regardless of how well barricaded he is.

Equipment: Shotgun (not much of use though, considering his situation), kitchen-knife, BB-gun (WTF?), wine bottles, crowbar/tire-iron, hand-axe, transistor radio, cell-phone, and a delapidated house with shortwave radio, gennerator, and fuel.

Basic medical supplies
(amputation and cauterization of his hand took some help and creative thinking)

Yes, there are video-games+internet, but keep your priorities in order please!

Much of this equipment has been lost to the horde though...
Was that a chainsaw he just heard? :eek:

Reason for being: Vacationer with some international friends to a bogus mock-UN/debate meet...
Good times...

Age: 19, freshly between those high-school and college years...

uh, if you're infected you would either be in the first stages of becoming a zombie or already one. Or are you just normally infected as in an infected cut?

Actually my OOC was intended as a joke. Sorry. Hey, how good eyesight do these things have? It could be important.

I think we need a map... Just a four block radius or so. I can do it up real quick if you want. I'm just trying to figure out where I am :D

hmm...eyesight...good question. I'd say the Basics have normal eyesight, the Brutes and Intelligents have eyes that see better in the dark, and the Super Zeds have infared. lol. That's pretty up there though...

and if you want to make a map, sure thing. lol.

I've actually been knocked down by rotor wash at a training event when I was stationed at Fort Hood, it is seriously disconcerting when wind can do that to you! I couldn't run or really walk.

What kind of Chopper is it? Can we say it's a National Guard Huey? Kind of a battlefield pick up?

uh, if you're infected you would either be in the first stages of becoming a zombie or already one. Or are you just normally infected as in an infected cut?
For the sake of making it remotely possable for him to remain human, I'd say simple infection, early stages of gang-green kinda stuff (as I said, first aid kit does not make for good surgical toolkit when amputating limbs in a fit of madness)

However, I'm pretty sure the freshly missing hand would cause concern among any survivors he may attempt to parley with, as would his limp and general insanity.

In short, he's at the point he'd shoot anything that moves first, ask questions later.
(AKA: Evil dead 2, except it all in his head except for the zombies)
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If the idea seems too crazy to throw out there this late, or if you think the RP is full enough, pls let me know.

BTW, anyone here evar play a round of this? (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Border#Monroeville)
Borrowing their map (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Monroeville#Maps) wouldn't be too bad, if only just a 'suburb'...
For everyone else, there's still left4dead...

Ah. makes sense. well, get him going in IC and we'll see what happens.

Dude I hate it when the person driving the only source of transportation leaves! LOL! I know we all have lives but I was just getting into it! It's like a good book you can't put down, and when it's done you just want to pick up another one and keep going!

lol. very true. if you want I can temporarily take over the copter. I am the GM you know. lol.

Dude I hate it when the person driving the only source of transportation leaves! LOL! I know we all have lives but I was just getting into it! It's like a good book you can't put down, and when it's done you just want to pick up another one and keep going!

Um, couldn't the pilot get capped-off in midflight, thus leaving you with transportation minus pilot and fun times ahead.

Will make IC soon, but where would I plot myself down?

I won't cap the pilot cause they're a player. And you can plop urself down pretty much anywhere. read the storyline and insert urself if you want or just start anywhere and i'll try to merge you in. lol.

Just me but... I need more ammo regardless of how many YOU have in your rotting clutches! LOL!
As a player I wouldn't mind if you landed the chopper and got things rocking from there but as far as controlling the player that crap drives me nuts [bad DM/GM experiences] so I would say keep him safe until he gets back.

well, i have to wait for the players i guess, idk what else to do.

I was just going to do what I think he would do...but I can't do anything cause the troop man is afk as well. lol. and ammo can be gathered at the camp if not before. lol.

dang...I tried keeping this from happening but now it looks like the story has stalled until the others get on and post something...dang it! although that chopper can't hold all the forces Soldier Boy has with him. lol.

well, ill be on in a little bit, dinner.

You could pick up at the smoke column and do a touch and go. Sallay could take one look at the horde and make the tough decision to go back to camp, refit and refuel, and bring back either a different cutter he saw on the way or ground support. And why is it that we always find ourselves on roof tops in situations like this? Why on earth is THIS kind of high ground the good kind? :D

because the lower levels are easier to penetrate. lol. But I'm going to have to get off now anyways so I guess I'll see you guys tomorrow. got school in the morning so it'll be afternoon before I get back on. Hopefully the others will have posted by then.

Alright, catch you on the flip side.

k im back

((GM)) I took some liberties with the box on board the chopper. If you look under standard helicopter equipment all of that should be in it and more. Logging choppers carry full "Pack Hospitals" in them as well as spare parts and a took kit that would make the Knechts guy blush. Not to mention a wicked lunch box!

Tom felt a snap in the back of his brain. Something clicked and he went limp. It was the sound of his user unplugging and going back to the real world. :D I have no life. I just got back from a 15 month deployment and I'm taking a year long holiday! :D

Lets say it's a HAM radio, were set. Lets say its a CB, were set. Or lets say its a telegraph, were boned. If its essentially anything that was made in the last 40 years were good. If it was made before that well... What are you doing with it anyway? It should be on antiques road show! :D

Well Telz, glad to have you back from your deployment. Iraq? Afghanistan? Either way, good to know you. And you think I have a life? Look how many posts i've made here in these forums in the past few months. lol.

Iraq, during the surge, oh, by the way it worked.

That's amazing. Are you Army or Marines? And, apolopgies to all for my absenteeism. Football season is over, yet all the homework seems to have doubled. Unfortunate. What time zone are you guys in, I would like to compensate if we're different to ensure maximum playability time. And GM- feel free to take minor liberties with my character like loading up the troops/ responding to Sallay, I don't want to hold up play but I am often busy/ unable to use the one computer in the house. I realize he'll have to make multiple trips, but I have no other evac options, do I now? ;)

I like rooftops because they're high ground and easy to secure and trap the entrances to. They also allow for more reliable communication, as well as evac. Unfortunately, they are hard (read: impossible, generally) to fall back from, a problem i tried to solve by reasoning that elite paratroops would carry the piton rifles issued to SEALs and Marine Force Recon.

Telz: Could you tell me about your experience joining the military? i have seriously been considering entering the Navy as a career and would like to hear about the military from someone who's been there. Thanks. You have my utmost respect for fighting in Iraq. I hope you enjoy your leave.

Iraq, during the surge, oh, by the way it worked.
Depends on what was expected of 'the surge'.

The media hyped at as an 'endgame' to the American occupation/reconstruction.
In that respect, that wasn't even its goal.
The senate then made a fuss because they were listening more to CNN and watchers of CNN rather than the people (CNN's subject-matter) they ordered overseas in the first place.

I'm of course, hoping that wasn't your response to my question of when you've seen an M2 Bradley in (near)-perfect working order being left unattended in hostile territory...

Ahh, forget the Senate. Hey, just in case you don't know what the M8 that I'm having my character use is, here it is in all its glory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:XM8-Poster.jpg

Really a shame that it wasn't issued. The Pentagon actually revived the program for a jam test in a sand chamber. I may not remember exact numbers, but in a contest between the M8, the SCAR-L, the M4 and the M16, the M16 jammed something like 600 times out of 1000 fired, while the M4 and SCAR-L were significantly better, but the M8 had something like only 128 jams. Needless to say, I'm a fan. Between that and the modular system, the only way it could be better is if it was caseless or anti-armor capable. And as to finding a Bradley, it's conceivable that the regional military could have broken and run in the face of what they were up against, even a competent military would be in danger of that. The reason our guys have to stay and fight is because we have no fallback outside of the city. If a Bradley had been in tight quarters with a mob rushing it, the crew could have conceivably left rather than try to break free and risk being slaughtered. Imagine the situation that would have left the regional military unable to retake a single city and reduce them to establishing a perimeter; the chaos would have been unimaginable. Frankly, in a real situation like this, I think they would have just nuked the place, civilians or not, in order to contain it.

((I am on pretty much from 12-5 Pacific, and check it constantly during the day. As for company strength just go with standard issue. 4 AT4's, 6 Claymores, 18 frags, 18 concussions, 10 smoke, 8 203's, 8 SAWS {2 RBBLS ea.}, 10 30RD mags, and just for fun I would say 2 Betas {100 RD drum}, 10 M500's {5 Sawn, 5 Stocked}, and whatever the GM says you can have for weapons on the HMMV's on the ground))

Telz: Could you tell me about your experience joining the military? i have seriously been considering entering the Navy as a career and would like to hear about the military from someone who's been there. Thanks. You have my utmost respect for fighting in Iraq. I hope you enjoy your leave.
Thanks, I appreciate it. I can't tell you ANYTHING about active duty Navy, or any other service than the Army. I would love to talk with you at length about this decision. PM me and I'll give you my email.
Hey, just in case you don't know what the M8 that I'm having my character use is, here it is in all its glory.
Actually the XM doesn't hold up in the cold weather like it should. Something to do with the polymer. But I'm lobbying for the H&K 416 the SCAR, and the FN (P90 and F2000) line.
I think they would have just nuked the place, civilians or not, in order to contain it.
Agreed, but we have to suspend reality in this situation. Containment is number one priority.

Question, serviceman: Have you ever seen the military leave an armored vehicle behind/unattended/ungaurded if it was still even remotely useful/serviceable?

If there is anything left behind, chances are it's because it was either too heavy, trashed, or in such a bad location that it really isn't worth going after*.

*The last one means the previous crew didn't have enough time to either carry it out with them or scuttle their gear, suggesting they were overrun and died guns blazing**. And if that's the case, would a non-military folk with no training do any better?

**If they panicked, dropped their guns and ran, it would be a show of poor discipline, and is very largely discouraged among professional militaries to EVER leave weapons behind. So the only way to get a service-weapon is to wade through the undead horde, and pry them from their cold-(un)dead-hands...

I absolutely and completely agree with you! I highly doubt that there would ever be a situation that was so out of control that the guys didn't thermite the equipment before they either died or evaced. Even THIS situation But for the sake of the game and our "survivability" in the game we'll need something that can pack more punch than small arms, frags and 203's. We can go improvised explosives if need be but I'm wary of doing that on a forum like this. Tends to give people ideas. My recommendation if we do go improvised is just state the types i.e.: Enviornmental Flame (car, truck, propane, etc.), Light thrown (molotov, pipe bomb, etc), Medium thrown or planted (10lb propane, technical "bomb"), Heavy "thrown/rolled" (large propane, cars w/device) Yes, no? What do you think?

You would be right under most circumstances. But in this situation, many of the trained military became infected before they climbed into their vehicles to escape. As such when the turned they left their vehicle in mostly good shape. So I'll put in a few heavy duty weapons, but limited ammo and such so that they last for a battle or two.

And about the XM8, holding up in the cold can be easily fixed. The biggest problem most weapons face is grit and such and that's where it excelled.

And I think the surge did accomplish its goal of reducing the number of hostile encounters in Iraq. I believe it saved a bunch of lives in keeping prolonged firefights from going on.

And the reason it wasn't nuked is that the government doesn't want to be seen as completely irregardless of human lives. There are living one inside the town you know. lol.

And i'm thinking of a way to get some drops in for you guys. The government can't let people out, but that doesn't mean they can't help those inside.

waiting for people so i can post attacking the campe ^^

I know North. lol. We're working on it.

I have some experience with "big" planning operations, and can guess what Gen./Col./Etc. would do. But it's no more than a guess. There are two things that could happen with likelihood.
First, if the infection was pnuematic they would nuke it to burn the infection out and in all reality minimize casualties, because once it's airborne and it's stable it's all over. I'm talking no "insert coin to continue" game over man, game over.

Second, they would physically cordon the area and block or kill everything that came within 1K or what they perceived as minimum safe distance. In that instance we would find our best options. They absolutely would do anything to help us if we were in that situation. They might consider alternatives or derivatives to these plans but that would take extremely in depth intel and time to make up a plan [and trust me non of us want to go into that stuff]. Without knowing these variables these are the best two options I can present to the GM as the self proclaimed resident expert on military tactics.

Just out of curiosity are we going to jump this to Nation States 2 any time soon? Just curious doesn't make any difference to me. Oh, and GM I's gots some idears for "round 2" if you want to hear them.

Character Bio:

The Telz Immortal Soldiery.
Enlisted Soldier Records
Classification:
Top Secret




Name: Khaine, Thomas K.
Service Number: 594-88-6486
Age: 27
Height: 71”
Weight: 185lbs.
Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Hazel
Marital Status: M
Dependants: 0
Military Service/Occupation:
• 11B Light Infantryman.
• 13F Forward Observer for Field Artillery.
Rank as of: 16 DECEMBER 2008
SSGT/E6
Assignment as of: 20 SEPTEMBER 2008
410th Division, Infantry Battalion 20/1620 HHC, Recon Platoon.
Current Position as of 18 MARCH 2008
Squad Sergeant, Platoon FO and Brigade Fire Support Coordinator.


Service History:
13JAN04 Telz Recruit Indoctrination.
13FEB04 Telz Basic Training.
13JAN05 Khaine, Thomas K. Is logged into the records of the Telz Immortal Soldiery as Private Khaine, Thomas K.
25MAR05 1/115th HHB/TIA
18MAY06 16/90th BTRP/TIC
03OCT06 Polts Campaign
03DEC07 20/1620 HHCIN/TIS
Special Training Schools:
• Advanced Linguistics, Poltian, Mt. ID, Clovian.
• Advanced MOUT.
• Advanced Marksmanship and Stalking.
• Advanced Artillery Marksmanship.
• Basic/Intermediate SCUBA.
• Basic/Intermediate Flight, fixed wing.
• Basic Flight, rotary wing.
• Advanced Crewing, Zodiac/AATIC.
• Para.
• Rappelling/Helicopter.
• Rappelling/Fixed position.
• Storm/Assault.
• EONA 3A.
• SIST 7.

-But for the sake of the game and our "survivability" in the game we'll need something that can pack more punch than small arms, frags and 203's.
Yeah, I just felt it necessary to point out that finding any weapons to defend yourself with during a crsis of any sort would be pretty slim, especially when one takes into account what happened in New-Orleans only a few years ago...

-We can go improvised explosives if need be but I'm wary of doing that on a forum like this. Tends to give people ideas.
NSD (Nation-states Draftroom) covered how to turn a discarded M76-LAW or AT4 tube into an IED... and why there's a lil suggestion to destroy and/or haul-out the tubes after firing in order to prevent such occurances...
(Hint on how that worked: tube + grenade x3 + string + trail; apparently a 66 mm tube was just the right size for a hand grenade...)

Among many other things, such as some... odd... methods of torture/execution... And why asassinations don't really accomplish anything...

The US field-manuals on improvised AT weapons are pretty much public domain already, courtessy of FAS and mil-surplus. So if you learned it in the service, yeah, chances are anybody who managed to get a copy of the manuals already knows about it too.
Then there's the police and other literary manuals, testimonials, and records on various "zip-guns" they've encountered...

Thus why you don't carry instruction manuals when on patrol... Otherwise they won't need any prisioners to question on how to 'repair' an M16...
Oh, right, colt and various AR-15 manufacturers will gladly sell you user's manuals for about about $5+S&H...
Tis the information-age, no secret is sacred, anon has seen to that.
Rule 34 of the internet!

'Course, posting that info through a military-issued ISP would raise quite a few red flags I suppose...
BTW, Elementry school teachers trump homeland security....

My recommendation if we do go improvised is just state the types i.e.: Enviornmental Flame (car, truck, propane, etc.), Light thrown (molotov, pipe bomb, etc), Medium thrown or planted (10lb propane, technical "bomb"), Heavy "thrown/rolled" (large propane, cars w/device) Yes, no? What do you think?
Propane-bombs... doesn't really work unless you have an explosive charge strapped to it... They tend to just kinda "gush" flame and spin around otherwise...
Pretty sure the interested individual has seen enough you-tubes of that demonstration...

Propane-bombs... doesn't really work unless you have an explosive charge strapped to it... They tend to just kinda "gush" flame and spin around otherwise...
Pretty sure the interested individual has seen enough you-tubes of that demonstration... Good God! Am I talking to the Uni Bomber? lol j/k I know, I was thinking more of the ol' propane tank filled with HME and then set with either command wire or remote det.

Good God! Am I talking to the Uni Bomber? lol j/k I know, I was thinking more of the ol' propane tank filled with HME and then set with either command wire or remote det.
Nah, I just got a waiver from the school district's "zero tolerance policy" regarding research into such subjects during my earlier years. So long as I followed their much older "no killing parameter".

Because, seriously, school-shooters and unibomber wannabees are pretty big dumbfucks when it comes to foresight of their actions, or how it would be interpretted.*

Again, NSD covered why assasinations are made of fail.

Because lets face it, we really can't say anything bad about world leaders who took a bit of lead to the chest while in office, even if they murdered someone in return... LMAO @ Andrew Jackson...

It's usually far better (PR-wise) to beat US senators mercilessly with canes than to shoot them...
Would be epic if hezzbolla switched from suicide bombers to PETA tactics of dumping red paint and blood on world leaders...

*Plus, even my father knew that from his time blowing stumps and boulders out of the ground with his grandfather... Followed by a similar appearance on Mythbusters, the fact that was how the propane tanks were designed to work when they failed (patents and federal safety codes are public domain), and the sheer multitude of You-tubes...

Hopefully I beat this one into the ground (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneKnowsMorse)
And I'm working on this one now (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RareGuns)
And these (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WallOfWeapons) two (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WallOfWeapons)
Expect an extended disarming (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExtendedDisarming)

But that just cause I've done zombie RPs the "easy" way, with mil-tech gear sparsed in easy to reach locations, already.
And there's bound to be the fellow who managed to nab a few miniguns and plenty of ammo and relying upon Dues-ex-machina to an annoying level.

The government does have the entire city cordoned off and anything that gets within shooting range is downed, no questions asked. And as to jumping to NS2, maybe once it gets outta beta. lol. There are more people here in NS forums currently so its more effective. And if you got ideas for a round 2, feel free to PM them to me.

But for the sake of the game and our "survivability" in the game we'll need something that can pack more punch than small arms, frags and 203's. We can go improvised explosives if need be but I'm wary of doing that on a forum like this. Tends to give people ideas. My recommendation if we do go improvised is just state the types i.e.: Enviornmental Flame (car, truck, propane, etc.), Light thrown (molotov, pipe bomb, etc), Medium thrown or planted (10lb propane, technical "bomb"), Heavy "thrown/rolled" (large propane, cars w/device) Yes, no? What do you think?

What about fougasses? We have frags and C4, we have shell casings and other shrapnel, and we can find gas and soap flakes. They're great, just not anti-armor. Also, give me a sprinkler head, some C4 and a Radio Shack and I can make an improvised frag, though it's technically a pipe bomb, which was already mentioned.

.Actually the XM doesn't hold up in the cold weather like it should. Something to do with the polymer. But I'm lobbying for the H&K 416 the SCAR, and the FN (P90 and F2000) line.

I agree that those are all great weapons, their issue is that they are all used right now in a limited or specialist role. I mean Delta Force is the only unit who uses the 416, and it still shares the basic problem with the M16 and M4: We are operating with a rifle design that is at minimum 46 years old, 54 if you count the design itself being created. The SCAR is an excellent weapon, but if so, why is it only fielded by SEAL teams? And while I am a huge FN fan (only after H and K, all the Europeans seem to get it right.) and can admit that the P90 has great PDW or even specialist (i think medic) roles, it just has too weird a cartridge to work out effectively, coupled with the fact that it too is a mainly polymer-built weapon, but without the modular system or range roles that the XM8 could play. As for the FN2000, did that ever get off the test bed? It's kind of freaky looking, but if it's a good rifle, i can deal with it. I just don't understand why, if the Pentagon has all these available and clearly superior infantry weapons, they don't get them. They could cut the spaceplane program. Or the Virginia-class sub program. We don't need those; we need a modern infantry rifle, and i think that between modular and reliable, the XM8 is the way to go.

apparently a 66 mm tube was just the right size for a hand grenade...

Actually, both of those fire an 84mm, unless you're talking about the Russian AT-4 Spigot, which I don't know.

And why asassinations don't really accomplish anything...

Political or military targets?

Propane-bombs... doesn't really work unless you have an explosive charge strapped to it... They tend to just kinda "gush" flame and spin around otherwise...


i think, assuming we have military supplies, he's suggesting the propane as an explosive medium to add a little AP to the AT.

I couldn't agree more about the medic P90 comment, Im an RTO and work closely with the platoon medic. We just do way too much shit with our hands and we can't be worrying about the weapon swingin round and smacking someone in Doc's case, or setting the thing down to work on someone. I can't be one arm firing my M4203 and talking on the radio, doesn't work well at all! An SMG for those rolls is perfect.

The pentagon could give two poops and a rat scoop about Infantry and their weapons, they're worried about how to make weather a weapon, and keep people thinking that when they vote it counts. Pretty much anything but what rifle we use.

The pentagon could give two poops and a rat scoop about Infantry and their weapons, they're worried about how to make weather a weapon, and keep people thinking that when they vote it counts. Pretty much anything but what rifle we use.

...except that Infantry are the oldest and still the most necessary component of any army...

But I can never use them well in mil strategy games. I'm all about armor and air power.

And...um... I actually don't know how to PM you on these forums. ?Help?

Agreed, don't tell me tell them! Infantry is the scalpel, artillery and armor are the hammers, and air power is like a flail. If you use them like that you can't go wrong. Soften with artillery, lead with armor, sweep with infantry. Works in the real world, works for games.

Too easy, I'm on my yahoo when I'm in the forum.

Actually, both of those fire an 84mm, unless you're talking about the Russian AT-4 Spigot, which I don't know.
M-72 LAW. (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl12-e.htm)

i think, assuming we have military supplies, he's suggesting the propane as an explosive medium to add a little AP to the AT.
Dat true.

Political or military targets?
Both. (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=987)
Repeatedly.
It also came-up on the old draftroom run by Sarz, (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?)

Ther was something about horses too...
Aside from a few hold-ons (fran?) it is very frowned upon.

[snipped to bottom-line]
the XM8 is the way to go.
Tempted to steer you in the direction of NSD for that rant.
Meanwhile, you be preachin to a tone-deaf choir.

In the meantime, this guy (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3116) did his hoemwork... (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4421)
Then he scrapped it...

And...um... I actually don't know how to PM you on these forums. ?Help?
Telz hasn't posted enough to unlock that option yet.

In the meantime, this guy (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3116) did his hoemwork... (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4421)
Then he scrapped it...

Not sure what you're driving at here. I like the XM8. It exists. Supposedly, my character(s) are from my nations army. This thread is MT, and the XM8 exists now. Hence, If I want to equip my soldiers with XM8's, so be it. If not those, I would have to use AK-103's. Or maybe SA-80's I don't like old guns. Unless they're really old.

Or maybe SA-80's
Recommend going with something else. The Brit Army guys showed me a little trick. The furniture falls off, literally, if you change the magazine just right. Yeah... It was quite the experience watching a rifle essentially disassemble itself in front of you. I would recommend something more universal like: AKU-94/103, FN-2000, or for the snipers you could re-manufacture a Whalther WA-2000. But I would be more on the L1A1, G3A6, FNFAL, etc.

But in anycase back to the RP: By this time the choppers already picked up at least 4, and depending on how far the base is away maybe more. So GM, CPT, whats our troop count on the roof if 5 hours have elapsed?

troop count is up to the captain. lol. I can't really say much. lol.

Ok, but how far is the base? Lets say it's 10 miles, then we'd all be off the roof in about 3 hours and the horde would have issues with that big of a troop boost, and that much time we could start 'scaving in the wastes' :D lol

By the way, if you like bullpups you'll love this! I'm getting one so long as guns are not out lawed in the US soon.Kel Tec makes it. (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kel-tec-rfb-7.62mm-bullpup-rifle-tm1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/02/09/kel-tec-rfb-762mm-bullpup-rifle/&usg=__nv5OsNShtKUIteaFWwTDdqrcOAs=&h=337&w=450&sz=21&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=B41HxswMm_EWtM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBullpup%2Brifle%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)

nope, can't make it 10 miles. that would be way outside the government cordon. can't be much more than a mile out.

Ok, then that means we're all back at the base by now. Specs (http://www.thaitechnics.com/aircraft/bell412.html) say that 3/4 of an infantry company could be moved off a roof in less than an hour or right at an hour if we're dealing with only about 7 wounded. More wounded and it doubles. But the CPT said there were only a few wounded so we're all at base camp.

I'm going to edit my post reflect that we only have one more trip left. Everyone should be off the roof in this trip, and Haney and I will cover your back. Just don't forget about us. :D

allright, cool. as soon as the others decide to get off their asses and post again, we should be able to get the battle started.

Hey I can't find the IC thread. Where is it?

Not sure what you're driving at here. I like the XM8. It exists. Supposedly, my character(s) are from my nations army. This thread is MT, and the XM8 exists now. Hence, If I want to equip my soldiers with XM8's, so be it. If not those, I would have to use AK-103's. Or maybe SA-80's I don't like old guns. Unless they're really old.

Morrdh essentially based an entire nation around a zombie-outbreak, and limited himself to pre-1940's technology...
(hardly any automatic weapons, at all)

And he made it look easy, without getting wanky (well, after we stripped him of mechas...)

Yes, you can srsly ask teh draftroom for their counter-zombie survival plans...
Mine involves shooting Griff, repeatedly... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513692)

the camp design is up to Ursava unless he wants me to design it and there are considerably more survivors with scavenged weapons at the camp now. They have been making their way there all night. lol. i'd say a good 3 dozen or so if that sounds reasonable.
Mk 6 Barricade, read until you reach the mk 8 barricade, it's epic... (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1912)
Counter-zombie-fort (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4421)

All right guys, back to the RP. This may just be the OOC thread, but that doesn't me its the off topic thread. lol

We're not quite off topic...

And though I love the ideas, we can't get them :( and even if we could, we have no way to move them :( :( :(
And besides, this is modern tech. By the time I had joined, characters were already sporting AK-103's. So, it made more sense to arm my soldiers with a very modern gun as opposed to Thompsons or the occasional M1916, although it would have stretched my ingenuity more. What did he mean in the posts when he was talking about Vickers MK.I tactics?

Yeah, still ere...

I'll consider holing Ash up in one of the suburban homes rather than try taking to the streets @ night (http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Urban+Combat), TYVM..

And besides, this is modern tech. By the time I had joined, characters were already sporting AK-103's. So, it made more sense to arm my soldiers with a very modern gun as opposed to Thompsons or the occasional M1916, although it would have stretched my ingenuity more. What did he mean in the posts when he was talking about Vickers MK.I tactics?
I'll take di in bits

And besides, this is modern tech. By the time I had joined, characters were already sporting AK-103's. Yeah, so? How much ammo they got? Three, maybe four mags each?

So, it made more sense to arm my soldiers with a very modern gun as opposed to Thompsons or the occasional M1916, although it would have stretched my ingenuity more Like the writing of Clauswitz, though the tech changes, the baseline concepts don't.
-no such thing as M1916...*
*Oh... C96 9mm mod...

Anyways, thick boots and leather gloves are your friend...
What did he mean in the posts when he was talking about Vickers MK.I tactics? Vickers is a WW1 water-cooled MG, it doesn't overheat and siez-up... Downside is that they tnd to be heavy and therefore only used defensively. It also spent less ammo in controled bursts...

A WW1 tactic, due to their employment by "artillery" units, was to use them in high-angle fire out to a few miles...
Downside is now bullets do nothing @ close range.
A similar method is currently employed when using automatic grenade launchers such as Mk. 19.

But generally, it is accepted that the best full-auto and area-effect weapons can hope for is to 'cripple' or thin-out a horde, making them easier to deal with in the long-run.

He was referencing close of WW1 tactics when they used Vickers machine guns as indirect fire weapons. The Brits would sit on an "elevated" position, with a machine gun company and after ranging their weapons, they would volley bursts of machine gun fire at the enemy. When the bullet reached terminal velocity and began it's drop, the burst or 'rain' would fall into the enemy trenches like artillery. Believe it or not the Canadians have a soldier who is one of the most highly decorated soldiers in the world, his book has reference to this tactic in it. I'll find the title after I dig through the library.

Read more books! :D

Read more books! :D

LOL. The opposite of what my friends tell me... I read WWII bios more. I highly recommend that of Heinz Guderian. Question: wouldn't that ruin the penetrating power of the bullets? If they're fired from so high and far away that they literally "fall like artillery", wouldn't the only thing carrying them be their mass, only half as effective as velocity?

LOL. The opposite of what my friends tell me... I read WWII bios more. I highly recommend that of Heinz Guderian. Question: wouldn't that ruin the penetrating power of the bullets? If they're fired from so high and far away that they literally "fall like artillery", wouldn't the only thing carrying them be their mass, only half as effective as velocity?
Yes, but because bullets do wierd things at those ranges... not so-much because of velocity-shedding...

The spin stabalisation tends to keep the bullet pointing in the same direction as the gun, regardless of what direction the bullet is actually heading in.

AKA: ".50 Cal bellyflop!!!!"
This phenomena was noted during testing of the .45-70 @ "long range".
And is the reason why earlier rifled mortars needed "all ways" or "multi-directional impact" fuzing...
Cause they sometimes landed face-up...

Generally though, a bullet will come down with about the same energy it went up with... for all intents and purposes... minus friction. Which will try and rotate the bullet "nose-down", causing a slight gyroscopic yaw in flight-path, this is naturally compensated by canting the rifle-sights* or by using "hold-over".

So instead of getting kicked in the balls by a sumo @ 200 meters, he'd bodyslam your head @ 2000... Or some crazy shit like that... And if you @ 200 meters, he just jumped over you... don't look up...

This is why you don't shoot guns randomly into the air in a city...
Those bullets will come down, and if from low-vel pistol, more or less it'll hit the ground @ -MV...

*Barrel twist is generally made to favor right handed shooters in this regard.
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BTW, studying how ballistic and free-flight missiles (spin, fin, and stable-table gyro stabalised) and artillery work helps...

Oh shiznit, I forgot "strap-down" inertial/gyro-stabalised
Difference between ST and SD gyro is whether it is fixed to the misile, and constantly reads impulses from the gyro; or is allowed to rotate freely, and then compares gyro heading to missile heading.

Stable-table is like a mariner's compass, on an ICBM... Tis slightly more accurate, but needs more time to set.

And to think, I failed physics...

LOL. The opposite of what my friends tell me... I read WWII bios more. I highly recommend that of Heinz Guderian. Question: wouldn't that ruin the penetrating power of the bullets? If they're fired from so high and far away that they literally "fall like artillery", wouldn't the only thing carrying them be their mass, only half as effective as velocity?

One of the largest contributors to the casualties was also the poor armor and lack of helmets in the trenches. But Hurtful is pretty much right as far as the physics go. MOA (Minute of Angle), Coriolis Effect (In physics, the Coriolis effect is an apparent deflection of moving objects when they are viewed from a rotating frame of reference.), and BDC (Bullet Drop Compensation) calculations are also somethings that were pseudo developed during this time. Also keep in mind that the Scott's created snipers and guilly suits, no one else, Scottish highland hunters.

I just don't know anything about missile gyro stuff.

Also, what exactly did your friends tell you?

Willie Northpole-
Why this guy managed to be so isolated: Wasn't really isolated, just fighting off zombies with a few units of AAU special forces soldiers, only his unit of 17 left, barricated in a grocery store.

Health status: Alive, infected, chunk of his left hand missing, left pinky missing.

Tactical status: Barracated inside a grocery store with his unit, most are injured and/or infected, only 5 are unaffected.
Willie will become infected within 3 months, due to his "stimpacks" issued by the military (they are shots of adrenaline that will provide his survival until they are gone which is in 3 months), others in his unit aren't so lucky...

Equipment: M4A1 assault rifle with attached grenade launcher (only has 3 grenades to launch, 120 or so rounds left), tactical .45 semi-auto handgun, AAU tactical body armor/helmet, military truck outside (nearly impossible to get all of his soldiers to it based on their condition, can carry 20 people), first aid kits, and a grocery store to get drugs, food, drinks, and other supplies from, and a computer with satelite internet.

Age: 26 (very young for a special forces officer in the AAU)

Is it too late to join? :o

Uh...stimpacks? seriously man, not sure I can allow that.

Not to late at all. Just post a Character Bio and you're good to go.

One of the largest contributors to the casualties was also the poor armor and lack of helmets in the trenches. But Hurtful is pretty much right as far as the physics go. MOA (Minute of Angle), Coriolis Effect (In physics, the Coriolis effect is an apparent deflection of moving objects when they are viewed from a rotating frame of reference.), and BDC (Bullet Drop Compensation) calculations are also somethings that were pseudo developed during this time. Also keep in mind that the Scott's created snipers and guilly suits, no one else, Scottish highland hunters.
Well, ctually, the scots didn't quite make the marksmen, just the term.
-Ghillies were made initialy by/for game wardens to scare the shit out of poachers and count animal populations.
-Sniper, was a term for crazy scottish-folk that would shoot flying birds* with early blackpowder rifles... *Snipes are legendary for being small and fast birds, somewhat mythical... see also: snipe-hunt

A successful "snipe-hunter" was thus called a "sniper"...

I just don't know anything about missile gyro stuff.
Yeah... I had a thing for aviation...
gyro-navigation kinda just lodged itself in my head a bit...
Ever play with a toy gyro in a moving vehicle by chance?

Also, what exactly did your friends tell you?
Most likely that he reads too much.
(Of the wrong books apparently, as they don't seem to improve his chances of surviving this zombie-thread :p)

Reading too much could mean:
Jack of all trades, master of none (didn't focus enough on any subject, kinda a "browser" of info, has a personal index of books to find when asked about a subject)
Book-smart, skill-poor (K, so he knows enough to be an "expert", but can't do, therefore he'll teach others -this is why I laugh when career-teachers threaten to find jobs outside the field of education, they haven't actually 'applied' their know-how towards anything physically constructive)
He likes books more than people (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CargoShip)
two of the above
all of the above
I'm reading too much into this and creating a socially awkward moment

rather than try taking to the streets @ night (http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Urban+Combat),

The fact that this exists is a testament to the awesomeness/ridiculousness of the internet. Take it as you will.

Yeah, so? How much ammo they got? Three, maybe four mags each?

??? (what are you implying-that they would run out of ammunition? I'm fairly sure that this is a concern no matter what weapon I'm using...)

But generally, it is accepted that the best full-auto and area-effect weapons can hope for is to 'cripple' or thin-out a horde, making them easier to deal with in the long-run.

So... you're advocating engaging with DM weapons with a significantly lower rate of fire and smaller magazine? I suppose this would be an effective tactic against normals, but for anything faster/more clever/more resilient, I just can't see this working despite the higher power of the shots. If a body/limb hit is ineffective, unless the appendage or organ is immolated, the only way this would be more effective than automatic weapons would be if you were fighting from a vastly superior defensive position. This is of course assuming that zeds are immune to blood loss or hydrostatic overpressure.

And Hurtful... definitely option six. i read quickly, and facts randomly stick in my head. But most of it isn't useful- I prefer fiction. The issue arises when I have already read books like Crime and Punishment (great book, you can't decide whether to be creeped out or supportive of the main character) and enjoyed it. My theory- any book read with a deadline and 'forced comprehension' is automatically unenjoyable.

The fact that this exists is a testament to the awesomeness/ridiculousness of the internet. Take it as you will.Awesome...

??? (what are you implying-that they would run out of ammunition? I'm fairly sure that this is a concern no matter what weapon I'm using...) Exactly, now see next point.
BTW, The USMC took semi-auto only to heart...
Interesting video footage of an M1903 using fairbank-sykes QK method of fire "from teh hip" is out there...

So... you're advocating engaging with DM weapons with a significantly lower rate of fire and smaller magazine? I suppose this would be an effective tactic against normals, but for anything faster/more clever/more resilient, I just can't see this working despite the higher power of the shots. If a body/limb hit is ineffective, unless the appendage or organ is immolated, the only way this would be more effective than automatic weapons would be if you were fighting from a vastly superior defensive position. This is of course assuming that zeds are immune to blood loss or hydrostatic overpressure. Actually, I was suggesting to conserve ammo if at all possable, but if you see an epic mob, give it a mad-minute, and resume picking them off on rapid-fire.

Because no matter the hype, full automatic fire is inherently less accurate than single shots picked-off from a steady position. And since ammo wastage is a concern... We get back into a chicken vs egg debate until someone either panics and rock'n'rolls through the platoon's ammo to pick-off a lone zombie, or until fire disipline is maintained to the point that they get overrun before getting the chance to swap magazines.

As for blood-loss and H-overpresure, the earlier implies they're still alive, the later involves ranges so ridiculously close that aimed rifle fire from steady position is out of the question, and all that would do is frustrate poor 'ol zeke.

And Hurtful... definitely option six. i read quickly, and facts randomly stick in my head. But most of it isn't useful- I prefer fiction. The issue arises when I have already read books like Crime and Punishment (great book, you can't decide whether to be creeped out or supportive of the main character) and enjoyed it. My theory- any book read with a deadline and 'forced comprehension' is automatically unenjoyable.
Drats...

Without looking too carefully at this, your summary appears to be a blow-by-blow for a U.S. Marine Company. Maybe I'm wrong, some parts seem incongruous (like the profligacy of snipers). While I have no grief for the Marines and admire them greatly, for my nation, I had planned on an organizational capacity of 180 per company, broken up by approx. 36 per platoon and five platoons. This, with air assault, is to make up for the lack of an embedded weapons platoon, the rational behind this being that heavy weapons are too heavy to jump with, so, in an effort to supply them, the heavy weapons would be dropped in cargo pods and the paratroops would be expected to retrieve them. However, dropped weapons retrieval doesn't always go so well (invasion of Crete had German paratroops engaging riflemen with pistols due to having their rifles separate-dropped), so the decision was taken to use a lightweight main weapon (M8's) and add an extra platoon per company. Now, if you want to limit me to the original limit, that's fine, I never specified how many men I had. I just wanted to explain where my numbers were coming from.

Now obviously I'm not going to yell "Surprise!" and have a 10,000 troop company. That's like a small division. That's ridiculous. I think the number of 180 has some logic behind it. For a standard infantry company with an embedded weapons platoon, the four platoons is more realistic, but these are paratroops (how else did they get by the military cordon? I don't think HALO jumps work well on cities )

No HALOs tend to go all wrong in cities, actually any jumps do. Too many wires, and stupid buildings.

It is a blow by blow of standard infantry company, both Marine and Army. But it's based on current not WW2. Current means more fire power percompany and less men. WW2 is quite obviously different being as they had crap equipment. I say yes to your 180 and layout as it's only a small adaptation to skill typing and weapons set, but if MT. ID says no, then it's no from both of us.(We're kind of co-GMing... Sort of, I'm more like an adviser.)

I'm going to have Tom preparing the civilians and constructing a security perimeter, so he'll be "inactive" in the main story line. But when you get here, you'll be pretty dang happy with the site.

Mt. ID I need a basic layout of our area and if I can use buildings or not, also what materials I have to construct barricades etc. with.

The 180 man company works fine. To each nation their own. mine actually has almost 200 in it.

Now for the layout:
The camp is not quite a mile from the city so it is still within sight but the outlying buildings and other areas provide enough cover for a small force to move across the distance relatively invisibly. With that you have stone and wooden building to pull pieces from to build ur camp. so plenty of materials. Some of the survivors brought hammers and such with them but they are in relatively short supply. You could raid a store in the city if u wanted but that would require men and ammo. Nails are of course in short supply so you really might want to raid a hardware store. There are some on the outskirts of the city, but you would still have to cross a ways on foot.

The ground itself is rather hilly with a mound about 20 feet high going up a gentle incline where your camp it. The mound slopes down into a plain where the city is built so you have a slight height advantage. Like I said earlier, there is enough ammo to last a while even with training and plenty of food, but there aren't any guarantees that there will be more so don't be to frugal with it.

Anything I miss?

Is there an official character sheet for this RP?

1. Vehicles?

2. Heavy Weps?

Nope. No character sheet except a rough one:

Post your character info, a bio if u want one, what sort of weaponry they have and where they are.

And as to vehicles: Well, you got the chopper and i'll be generous and say some survivors were able to get a supply truck up and running. Better than nothing. lol

And heavy weapons: nope. At least not given to you by Mt. Id. I believe the soldiers have some grenades and what not as part of their gear, but not much else. Now if you can find something explosive...lol.

Is there an official character sheet for this RP?
It's Toc! :3

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Am I the only one who sees the humur?

It's Toc! :3

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Am I the only one who sees the humur?

Probably. care to fill us in?

Heavy Weapons are already in the OWM's company. Unless you're talking about artillery, mortars, missiles etc.

For Light Infantry Heavy Weapons consist of: AT4's (Anti-Armor and the US Substitute for the RPG), M240B's (7.62mm), M203 (40 mm Grenade Launchers), M249 SAW (5.56mm), I'll even throw in a .50 BAR, but only two.

The snipers can have M110's*, M107's, M21's*, or M24's, SVD's*, DSR's, PSG-1's, WA2000's whatever, pick one and it will be blanket for the whole of your snipers.

Oh and the reason for so many snipers is to give you the flexibility. Headquarters Company is the only company authorized a Recon platoon, of course there are more scouts than snipers but this is an RP so... You can convert the snipers to riflemen if you want or another specialty. But all changes and anything doing is up to Mt. Id for final say. Again I'm just the adviser.

*Becomes primary weapon taking the place of the M4 or equivalent.

Probably. care to fill us in?
Oh.. right... that was Shester... crap...
Well, that was awkward...

I hope I don't get jackbooted for confusing the two...

Just be grateful Toc considered giving you the privlidge to RP with her.
See also: Toc's sig, APOC, GUSN etc...

Tocrowkia was in this crazy-long isolation period...
So any apearance is kinda rare...

I'll even throw in a .50 BAR, but only two.
In no way is a Ma-duece a rifle...
Even if Browning and an Automatic...

In no way is a Ma-duece a rifle...
Even if Browning and an Automatic...

Not the M2A2, the original BAR I'm talking about is a SAW, and looks like this (http://www.galatiinternational.com/frankmachinegunday/48-FNFNDflat.jpg) only in .50 not 30-06. There were few made originally because the ammo was so heavy and hard to lug around.

I know what I'm talking about you need to trust me. I've been in the Army for five years as a 13F and 11B in Recon Capacities. I was deployed to Dyala province in Iraq where we secured the Diyala Media Center and cleared and maintained over 15+ miles of freeway from IED's on our own. Our XO estimates that in the 15 months we were there we conducted 1100 Combat Missions/Patrols, fired over 1800 Artillery missions (all of which I was calling or was a part of), and decreased the IED's in our area by 80%....

I know that was far too much info. for your one comment, and probably a little testily written, but if you're going to trust me you need some credentials. That's what I bring to the table, and why I'm Mt. Id's adviser.

Not the M2A2, the original BAR I'm talking about is a SAW, and looks like this (http://www.galatiinternational.com/frankmachinegunday/48-FNFNDflat.jpg) only in .50 not 30-06. There were few made originally because the ammo was so heavy and hard to lug around.
Holy mother of all shit that's big and holy, WTH is that! :eek:
Oh, right...
But why it look like a 7.62 mm Finnish FN model D [Esentially a BAR with QC barrel]? (http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/LMG2.htm)
It really does look similar... (http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/pk_FND.jpg)
And it matches the endstamp of your URL tag as an FND pic.

I know that was far too much info. for your one comment, and probably a little testily written, but if you're going to trust me you need some credentials. That's what I bring to the table, and why I'm Mt. Id's adviser.
"You win this thead" <o
Just that I thought a man-portable/lightwieght .50 BMG would be a little, better known?
Especially among Russian gun enthusiasts (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg71-e.htm) (They say Kord R btr)

Or is this .50 cal in caliber only? Like teh "Beowulf brick"?

Although I know of an early browning large-caliber "auto-rifle", it wasn't fully automatic, and it didn't fire BMG. It had a tube-mag in the buttstock IIRC.

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In short, I find it hard to accept that people seriously go around battlefields using .50 caliber Squad-lvl MGs and firing from the hip... [1] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwu3ivAJ68U)

Because when I hear .50 caliber, rifle, and automatic in a sentance, I start thinking of some joker shooting one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2S7IqrVLHY) on youtube...
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'Course, I was also told-off by a painter @ Gulfstream that it was "physically impossable" (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mig-25.htm) to make a plane out of stainless steel. And that welded construction = suicide. He then went on to state that ALL modern planes are of riveted construction (and implied the SR-71+U-2 was also of riveted construction, which would explain why shit kept falling off them if they so much as twitched).

And Mike Sparks was a Chute-Packer for Nat'l Gaurd during the 80's, didn't stop him from claiming to be a friggin Navy SEAL-Sniper in 'Nam (Next to Mr Rogers) from time to time... And then tried to lobby a few fellows in congress to replace your AAV7s with "Amphigavins" (M113A1s modified beyond recognition up to minimal AAV7 capabilities)

So stated credentials don't earn trust on internet.
And it isn't a matter of trust so much as "Are you sure? Because my source seems to either conflict with your statement, or I misread something. Could you please clarify?"

Right now I'm giving benefit of the doubt that you meant either an up-scaled FN-D to .50 BMG for the support-role in a platoon -To which I'm wondering why you won't just use an M-82 rifle or Kord HMG. Or that it IS an FN-D, but re-bored to a low-power/high-caliber cartridge.

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Yeah, I think I'm done editing this post beyond all recognition...

Okay...how's this for a character?

Conrad Mussina
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7227/12vx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Age: 28
Height: 6'2'
Weight: Somewhere shy of 200 pounds
Equipment:
HK-417, UMP-45, HK-45, along with a combat knife and several throwing knives and push daggers.
Location: Suburbs?
Bio: None. Mussina's a ghost, but his high level of skill with all types of combat suggest he's a member of an as of yet, unknown third party interested in the zombie outbreak.

The issue is that these are too heavy to drop with, with the exception of the M203 and the SAW's. Thx for the .50's. I specified in like my second post that my snipers had M24's, but my issue is the lack of any anti-armor, since you can't drop with AT-4's.

So stated credentials don't earn trust on internet.
You absolutely have a point.

I was also mistaken about the BAR being .50cal as I can't find an example. It's 30-06 not .50cal, but I still say he can have a 10 round .50 if he wants.

However fantastic my resume sounds' it's true.
Look up 1st Cav, 3rd Brigade, 6/9 Cav, B Troop, my name's Spc. Dan Netzel.

Or look at my myspace (http://www.myspace.com/netzel2).

But since I couldn't find an individual operable .50 you can have 2 of these China Lakes (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/ex41-1.jpg).

Also 6Nations you're going to have to yahoo message me so we can have our planning session. Also where did you get the info you can't jump with AT-4's? I'm not and never will be airborne but I don't see any reason not to, unless it's just too awkward for the Paratrooper. We'll find something comparable. A short barreled M107 would work for anti-armor, I'm fairly certain you could drop with one of those as they don't weigh the 30lbs the regular ones do and they're much much shorter. Just so we're clear it's this 107. (http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/barrettm107cq460ace.jpg)

That character is fine Toc, just go into the IC thread and post an intro for ur guy. If you've read it all u can decide where to pop up. In the city or in the camp.

You absolutely have a point.

However fantastic my resume sounds' it's true.
Look up 1st Cav, 3rd Brigade, 6/9 Cav, B Troop, my name's Spc. Dan Netzel.

Or look at my myspace (http://www.myspace.com/netzel2).
Yeah, I'm in the opposite spectrum with no real credentials, though my sharp criticisms are generally* tolerated on the draftroom for reasons that I believe have already been demonstrated.

*I had a lil bit of a fun time for awhile blindly following "teh gospel of Mike Sparks", so I'm kinda wary of anyone who tries using their tour of duty as credentials to quote statblocks and capabilities of equipment based on what their DI's told them in basic.

And giving PI on teh internet is frowned upon, especially when you're not too sure if me a terrorist.

I was also mistaken about the BAR being .50cal as I can't find an example. It's 30-06 not .50cal, but I still say he can have a 10 round .50 if he wants.

But since I couldn't find an individual operable .50 you can have 2 of these China Lakes (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/ex41-1.jpg).Just don't call it a light MG to be issued on the squad-level -which is what "Automatic Rifle" implies- alright? ;)

For a moment I thought you were a Ruskie from the propoganda ministry trying to wave an Americanski-Kord in my face...

Why not BBQ /w/ an M202? (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl50-e.htm)

Also 6Nations you're going to have to yahoo message me so we can have our planning session. Also where did you get the info you can't jump with AT-4's? I'm not and never will be airborne but I don't see any reason not to, unless it's just too awkward for the Paratrooper. We'll find something comparable. A short barreled M107 would work for anti-armor, I'm fairly certain you could drop with one of those as they don't weigh the 30lbs the regular ones do and they're much much shorter. Just so we're clear it's this 107. (http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/barrettm107cq460ace.jpg)
I recall the brits jumping /w/ leg-bag loads in excess of 100 lbs on D-minus 1-Day...

Shit, GIs dropped with non-foldinging M1A1 bazookas and/or garands tucked in their harnesses...

doesn't look like North is active anymore so i'll probably end up leading the zombie horde :D lol

The "private" data really isn't, so no worries there.

As for the terrorist thing, well, I really think you would be better off trying in different places. I doubt you'll get any intelligence that's not widely spread on the internet as is. Besides I wouldn't really be too fired up about divulging tactics here anyway.

As for Mike Sparks thing, I have absolutely no idea who that is or how it's relevant. If you could elaborate? I'm insatiably curious.

I would be interested in a Zombie RP... *gets lost in all the other stuff*

As for the terrorist thing, well, I really think you would be better off trying in different places. I doubt you'll get any intelligence that's not widely spread on the internet as is. Besides I wouldn't really be too fired up about divulging tactics here anyway.

Yeah, draftroom has more info on that sort of stuff (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1726) (though more in the "crazy" direction than in the "practical" (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4535))... And then some... (it also handles PMT+FT stuff)
Boots (http://s4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3352)
Gloves (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3861)
Helmet (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4331)
Meal, Ready to Drink? (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2820)
Combat-rated, Underwear? (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3884)
Cigars (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4972)

Oh, and fear the hand-grenade shaped like a rubix-cube (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3827) and/or super-ball... (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3804)

As for Mike Sparks thing, I have absolutely no idea who that is or how it's relevant. If you could elaborate? I'm insatiably curious.
http://home.comcast.net/~genericdad/m113gavin.html
He pretty much took the internet, lied about his experiance, and tried selling the world an old and worn-out design that didn't really work as intended in the first place*.

He was quite convincing to the layman...

*Pretty much he was known to fudge-up the facts on-par with the "man-cannon" BAR and/or tank issued to everyone concept, then would cite 'straw-man' refferances and hide behind a false TOD when questioned.

Later, he was pretty much calling for a custom-built tankette program to solve a series of budget-overrun problems* under the premise that they already existed en masse.

*In the case of his amphibious proposal, he decided that, since the US Navy can't keep their LCUs, he'd try fitting everything onto M113 mods that don't exist yet, and then scrap the AAV7 to cut costs... Whatever couldn't fit in/on an M113 was also to be scrapped, and replaced with more said modified M113s.

Any complaints from the USMC quartermasters would be ignored.

kenavt, just post ur character and intro in the IC thread and you're welcome to join. lol.

OK, thanks.

Kenavt, the church is apparently of "odd" construction, being a split-level and/or multi-story building.

Zombies are in ground-floor/basement, survivors on 1-st/second floor and/or belltower.

The floor the survivors on can safely be assumed to be barricaded in some ingenius fashion preventing the zombie-siege direct-access, yet allowing raiders limited access provided they know a fellow inside.

Wallace and the others had just managed to reach the church before the other residents locked the doors. Many other apartment blocks had complained in recent months that there wasn't enough spirituality in the complex so they built the church on top of the block. Well, if they were designing a fort against the undead then they did well, but talk about tacky. At that moment a group of puffed up men started to walk towards mark and his group.

So, rushing through locked doors is out, your 13-yr old will have to be quite creative, possably finding a flaw in the barricade-plan (climb?)

But then you'd run into zekes tearing up the floorboards of the 3rd-floor in order to gain access...

Attention to detail can and wil get your party killed when RPing directly with others, hence why my char is fairly well-separated, in an isolated suburban building, clearing it for survivors/zombies "the easy way". (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14291446) And would therefore be a better entry-point into this RP.

When not sure if you can jump-in with another RPer as an 'upgraded background character', thread-search his posts, and figure out his situation first.

Hey hurt, where exactly is ur guy holed up currently? As near as I can tell its in a building in the center of everything while everybody else is getting out. lol.

Hey hurt, where exactly is ur guy holed up currently? As near as I can tell its in a building in the center of everything while everybody else is getting out. lol.

He's following orders he last recieved from "Sky Blue", which were to head for the middle of the city for medi-evac*. And considering his rural cabin is now burned to the ground, yeah... he's hoping the flygirl wasn't lying...

*Gang-green on left arm, followed by mild case of gout on big-toe...

BTW, pick-axes aren't that loud... though they aren't exactly quiet either.

I'm not sure but it as near as I can tell Flyguy had decide to go afk on us. lol

Now if you can find something explosive...lol.

Does that mean...

1) I can mix my own ANFO/Plastic/Napalm/TNT/Poison Gas/whatever else i know how to do, assuming therefore that the soldiers can do it?

2) I can make improvised explosives like sticky bombs (useless), fougasses (potentially amazing), and propane bombs (neh...)?

3) I can do something basic like converting cars into bombs and linking them to some kind of main fire control?

4) I can find heavy weapons left behind by the retreating Mt. Id defense forces (or whatever they're called) and use those?

Clarify! So many options!

Why not BBQ /w/ an M202? (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl50-e.htm)

I have never heard of this... i like it... I like it a LOT!


I recall the brits jumping /w/ leg-bag loads in excess of 100 lbs on D-minus 1-Day...

Shit, GIs dropped with non-foldinging M1A1 bazookas and/or garands tucked in their harnesses...

You sure about these? Not citing any personal experience jumping into combat or anything, but these seem like they would screw up your flight pattern too much...

...okay, so, modern paratroops can jump with loads in excess of 110 lbs, and the AT4 is only 14.6 lbs... sounds good! I still can't imagine where the hell you'd put the thing, but, whatever! That means that, unless you're not cool with it, Mt. Id, I can haz AT4's! :D:D:D

That is a good thing. Too bad they have to be used as AP. It would almost be more useful to have the 20mm reloadable training version.

The M107's and (GM willing) M202's are good to go, so, if Mt. Id is good with it, and considering that the zeds probably have no heavy armor, I get to blow stuff up. My favorite. Telz (or Dan?) and Hurtful, thx for the advice/ideas. I can learn from this thread.

OWM,

AT4's training aids are 9mm tracers in a dead tube :D lol Sorry it's funny to me because they're really lame trainers and don't do a thing to provide real training other than show you how to hold them and aim. I don't know about the 202's. I wish we had those in Iraq because dang they would be intimidating if nothing else! But of course they wouldn't let us use them because of ROE and other political crap.

Dan, Tom, Telz, whatever.

OWM,

AT4's training aids are 9mm tracers in a dead tube :D lol Sorry it's funny to me because they're really lame trainers and don't do a thing to provide real training other than show you how to hold them and aim. I don't know about the 202's. I wish we had those in Iraq because dang they would be intimidating if nothing else! But of course they wouldn't let us use them because of ROE and other political crap.

Dan, Tom, Telz, whatever.

M202s had a very bad tendancy to blow up prematurely like early batches of M46 HEDP grenades. What happened to the SMAW-NE batch they sent over?

You sure about these? Not citing any personal experience jumping into combat or anything, but these seem like they would screw up your flight pattern too much...

...okay, so, modern paratroops can jump with loads in excess of 110 lbs, and the AT4 is only 14.6 lbs... sounds good! I still can't imagine where the hell you'd put the thing, but, whatever! That means that, unless you're not cool with it, Mt. Id, I can haz AT4's!
British fellow had to jump with such load in leg-bag because he had the Vickers MG issued... He litterally wrote a book on small arms... quite a few actually... Such as half the "small arms of the world" series...

American GIs tried tucking their issue gun* in their softer 2-stage para harnesses because a few had their leg-bag tethers ripped out from the shock...

*An M1 Garand isn't realy heavier too much than an M1 thompson...
In fact, the Thompson was heavier...
And the MP-40 wasn't any lighter...

The real worry, apparently, is that the length would cause the stock to rearrange your jaw upon landing... (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as27-e.htm) But that could just be me looking too deep into a subject I have no business in (http://nottotallyrad.blogspot.com/2008/08/call-for-randomized-clinical-trials-of.html)...

We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence-based medicine organised and participated in a double-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.
Yes, we should test that... Because testing with a borked thermometer trumps Einstien's relativity..

Conrad spotted a man moving down the streets. A survivor? To be expected. There were always survivors, but this man looked experienced. He could be trouble...but Conrad would wait and see rather or not he was worth the ammo it would take to remove him.

((OOC: The man is Tom, if you want it to be))
For a moment, I thought you'd kill my char in his sleep...
Good luck Telz...

OWM,

AT4's training aids are 9mm tracers in a dead tube :D lol Sorry it's funny to me because they're really lame trainers and don't do a thing to provide real training other than show you how to hold them and aim.

Not in Sweden! They have a 20mm version that is A) reloadable and B) provides more realistic training than the 9mm tracers because a 20mm shell, while not an 84mm AT rocket, has backblast and acts like a recoilless weapon. This is because it is a recoilless weapon, but the reusable, multi-shot reloadable 20mm would be a way better AP than the single shot non reusable 84. They even sound like the real deal, not that lame 'plonk' sound the 9mm makes.

Yeah, I read about the 202's exploding. Big bummer. Maybe if they didn't do pre-loaded tubes... it's futuristic, but bad for logistics. And you get the problem with the M1 Garand, where you have the en bloc clip that you can't reload partway through. I wonder what they did if they knew they had only one shot? Probably shot into the side of a building or something. I can't ask either of my great uncles, one used the Springfield and the other a 20mm AA gun on a destroyer.

Yeah, I read about the 202's exploding. Big bummer. Maybe if they didn't do pre-loaded tubes... it's futuristic, but bad for logistics.

And you get the problem with the M1 Garand, where you have the en bloc clip that you can't reload partway through. I wonder what they did if they knew they had only one shot? Probably shot into the side of a building or something. I can't ask either of my great uncles, one used the Springfield and the other a 20mm AA gun on a destroyer.
Um... EVERYTHING is pre-loaded nowdays...

As for the garand, you either:

Hammed through full en-blocs at a time (keep firing till she pings).
Shoot in double-taps, ALWAYS.
Count your shots and plan accordingly (similar to "Marathon" by Bungie).
Make sure you are closer to cover as your mag runs empty (why aren't you in cover already?).
Dump the half-empty mag, throw in a fresh one, and leave the mess to get sorted through later when people aren't shooting at you.
Reload through gun during brief calm wth loose ammo from situation #5
Generally, you deal with it when you have to, but otherwise, don't worry too much about it, because if you have to worry how many shots are left before reloading, you're doing it wrong in the first place.

BTW, when you hold a gun, hold onto it. Otherwise you'll drop it when that linebacker tackles your rear, or if the recoil was more than you'd expect.
Don't drop the soap.

Again, all my experience is US Army. I think the Sweeds have A LOT we could learn from. Especially if you consider how much we spend annually versus the rest of the world on "defense" can we say big MIC?

BTW, when you hold a gun, hold onto it. Otherwise you'll drop it when that linebacker tackles your rear, or if the recoil was more than you'd expect.
Don't drop the soap.

Don't I know it. i once got the opportunity to use what may be the weirdest gun I personally have ever fired: an 8-chamber revolver that fired .410 shotgun shells. I was like 12. Totally dropped it after the first shot, right into the dirt. Owner wasn't too mad though. Nice of him.

Especially if you consider how much we spend annually versus the rest of the world on "defense" can we say big MIC

I think we account for 48 percent of the world's spending, and the second is Russia with like 28 percent or something. If you removed Central America and South Africa, it would be an even 50/50, us to everyone else. Sad. I think 30 percent is acceptable. Cut the Virginia-class sub program, the Seawolf-class sub program, any kind of reusable military spaceplane, possibly DE weapons and Gen-5 aircraft, and any other money holes for low gain. Put the money into reducing national debt.

OWM I'm on my Yahoo.

Hurt,
I couldn't agree more with the idea.

In all reality who needs a stealth helicopter? It makes no sense? Now the Crusader! That's a project I can get behind! Field Artillery accurate within 3 meters? Hell yeah!

I think the reason why we spend so much is that we always have. It's tradition. Also with military research civilian life becomes better. LCD screens, X Rays, touch screens, all kinds of fun stuff. Not to mention GPS. It's good for us and keeps us "healthy" as a nation. But not THAT much! And I'd like to see our national currency worth a crap.

Hurt,
I couldn't agree more with the idea.

In all reality who needs a stealth helicopter? It makes no sense? Now the Crusader! That's a project I can get behind! Field Artillery accurate within 3 meters? Hell yeah!

I think the reason why we spend so much is that we always have. It's tradition. Also with military research civilian life becomes better. LCD screens, X Rays, touch screens, all kinds of fun stuff. Not to mention GPS. It's good for us and keeps us "healthy" as a nation. But not THAT much! And I'd like to see our national currency worth a crap.
It not so much the technology as it is the cost of "made in America" labor and the shear quantity of our boomsticks we make compared to everyone else except Russia.

And no, heli's can no has stealth. It fucks up the rotor blades too much...
Crusader still has issues with the liquid-propelant*, and the logistics of getting supply-vehicles for them is kinda hard to explain...

"No, you want a cargo truck for munitions, not a water-buffalo!"

"Wait? What happens when you confuse the propellant for the diesel?"

*Inconsistant burn rates would cause full-bore detonations and wrecked vehicles, ETC ignition almost has that solved. Liquids also wiegh more, and will require a heavier gun**. Other than that, it's just peachy perfect and ready for prime-time.

**Bean-counters would read through stat block and balk @ "unnecessary wieght"
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Anyways, if you want to bad-mouth the FIAT-system of how currency is valued, you preachin to teh choir...
No way in fuck is the Euro worth that much...

Actually, a lot of the excess expense is all the bureaucratic red tape that we Americans seem so fond of. lol. There are so many different channels we have to go through to get one item made and ready to use that it just starts adding up. lol

So to catch up with the RP here's where everyone is from what I've read:

Tom, Mason, Robert, Conrad are all at the Reason's Industrial Head Quarters building establishing overwatch and common array for the refuges. In total they have a full platoon with four squads plush Conrad and Robert.

Ash seems to be about three buildings away from the main HQ, where Mason's XO can roll him in with the rest of the main group if he chooses to.

Did I miss anyone?

OK, thanks for the update Telz. I just have infrequent hours due to school and extracurricular activities, otherwise I would post more.

Ya missed Michael but that's cause he's been out of the action for a while. lol. I just put him back in a little bit ago.

I know its a bit late... But can I join? And also do i need a character profile?

Para... you can just post a quick bio in the RP thread and get posting. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=574597&highlight=zombie+overrun

1.) One more time keep the IC in the IC and OOC in the OOC... Or face my chinchilla of doom!


I'm hoping he'll grow out of it, in the meantime, let him get blown up by a claymore and try again with another person. Trust me, if he gets shot in the face enough times for not reading the thread, he'll learn to read the whole thread simply to prevent his characters from getting shot in the head for silly reasons.
But then again, you're men hid the traps well, maybe he blundered into them anyways...

2.) Mt. Id opened this for everyone, but the idea is that you're interested and respectful enough to read what we worked hard to create. I agree with Hurt, if you don't want to read face the consequences.

3.) Mt. there is no way he would have gotten in without either being seen, questioned, detained, and processed, or dying, on the bottom floor. We also would have found him on the clear up. As Mason established the Com array other teams not pulling security would be clearing up to the roof, and accomplishing that they would set up for the UAV relay race through the windows. No corner unchecked, no janitors closet over looked.

He can roll in with Ash, although I think ash is still attempting to crawl on his eyebrows to the secondary camp at the base of the- REASON'S building OWM! The REASON'S building! :D j/k.

IMO 101 has a few options:
1. We kill this character, you read the thread and start over.
2. We kill this character, and you pick up in the second iteration in Nation States 2.
3. We kill this character and have you picked up as an existing soldier if OWM is amiable.
4. We kill this character and have you wander in and find Ash and help him to the secondary base with minimal weapons.

Might I also recommend a substantially smaller load out.
Think Left For Dead or Call of Duty 4 style (1 Primary 14 mags, 1 Secondary 10 mags, 2 frags, 2 smoke, maybe a specialty item) not Doom (14+ Weapons). You don't want armor in a situation like this either. If we were going Nation on Nation that would be perfect!

Look at any modern nations military load out be it BRM's, SAS, SF, Ranger, or just your average grunt it'll give you a better idea and probably get you less ridicule by Hurt.

Look at any modern nations military load out be it BRM's, SAS, SF, Ranger, or just your average grunt it'll give you a better idea and probably get you less ridicule by Hurt.

Bah! I scoff upon all, you and OWM are using a military force while me, Kev, Siloin and FA+B are using stinking gringo civvies (in spite of the fact that 2 are armed with friggin AA-12s)...

Kudus to kev for whipin out teh katana of doom though, not many people remember to bring those to a zombie RP...
And none would be complete without one...

FA+B is kinda in a fix @ the church, but he has more than one person...

He can roll in with Ash, although I think ash is still attempting to crawl on his eyebrows to the secondary camp at the base of the- REASON'S building OWM! The REASON'S building! j/k.
Everyone seems awfully determined to avoid contact /w/ me, first Kev when I was clearing the sububan home, what does he do?
He decides to either waltz into a caded church and/or zombie horde...

Then my fellow could have walked near the church and tried to gain access and treatment for injuries, nope, Mt Id sends me to a gun-shop...

And now, with my guy on the ground in plain view of over half the characters, and calling for help on a radio... still nothing!

Instead, 101st decides to walk into a claymore's tripwire...

It like I'm doomed to die alone or something...

And no way in hell am I crawling through a zombie horde on my eyelids to get to the building of reason... If this character dies by the horde, I'm gonna make sure Ash kills you all...

"March my crippled horde of zombie comrads! Onwards to victory!"

And now, right as 101st is perhaps thinking I'm being overly-hard on him...
Proof I've been there too (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434541&page=22) (compare post my 330 to 101st 2nd intro attempt (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14310721), and it almost looks good)
Twice (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9770751) (and frankly Mt Id could find both Telz and OWM guilty of doing what I did wrong here*, it got pretty fugly)
No, wait, third time is the charm... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516726) (same host/GM and plot, about a year's with of RP-improvement and a few trips to NSD later, note abscence of "the wank-tank")
BTW: Ironcia = Alidor, and note the thread titles...
now look at the titles for this RP...
Now ROFL...

...

ROFL, godamnit!!!

*Bureau of Foreign Affairs
Cansear City

Response to:
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Major General Major Major Nottoorough
People’s Republic of Hurtful Thoughts.

We thank you for your offer of help with an advisor that has previous experience and detailed knowledge of this kind of problem.
We shall make arrangments to recieve him at Cansear International Airport in three days.

Arkin Coastal Radar base

“Holy shit” the radar operator spluttered as an unidentified naval task force appeared on his screen “Sir, contact, contact, unknown vessels have entered Alidorn national waters”
The commander approached the young ensign “have they tried to hail us”
“I haven’t picked anything up yet sir” the young ensign replied
“Log and catalogue the contact, and find out where they are heading” the Commander instructed.
“Aye, sir Logged as Sierra Five Nine, heading on a bearing 210 degrees south by south west sir” the ensign passed “Sir I’m picking up several aircraft heading on a direct course for our coast” the ensign squawked.
“Bugger” the Commander uttered under his breath “I am declaring an emergency and possible invasion force approaching our positions, inform TCaCHQ of the situation” the Commander ordered the communications officer sat at the other side of the room.

Bureau of Foreign Affairs
Cansear City

Minister of Foreign Affairs
Major General Major Major Nottoorough
People’s Republic of Hurtful Thoughts.

Your offer of help has now been seem for what it is, a thin veil of deceit to cover your ambitions to invade and subjugate our nation.

The removal of your invasion force from our territories is demanded by his Royal Highness the King of Alidor and the Alidorn Government.

You must turn your air craft around and remove your vessels from Alidorn waters immediately. Failure to do so will result in a retaliatory attack on your forces.

...

You call that a 'rofl'? I want ALL CAPS ppl!

I think I'll hook up with Ash.
BTW I am completely new at the forums. I admit it I AM A NOOB!
Name: Thomas Sandrock
Age:20
Limbs missing: Thank god none
Hair: Brown
Height:6 foot
Weapons: 2 frags, a smoke, 2 HE. M9 pistol, knife, and AK-47 with some drum rolls (I'm reading both threads now )
Job:Marine
Also can I join the Nationstates 2 one?

Not sure it'll be in NS2 but it might be. we'll see. and if u want to hook up with Ash I suggest u run up the the heli that just picked him up. lol. i'll leave ya a spot to jump aboard.

He found a house and heard the gunfire cease. "HELLO? IS ANYONE THERE? IF YOU ARE ALIVE PLEASE RESPOND!" yelled Thomas. Then he charged into the house.

What's wrong with you? Ash is in the middle of the street with a helicopter hovering over him with three armed gunmen shooting around. not in some stupid house. lol.

Opps. I changed my post.

What's wrong with you? Ash is in the middle of the street with a helicopter hovering over him with three armed gunmen shooting around. not in some stupid house. lol.
This actually made me laugh...
Again, cause it reminds me of, well, me; albeit from 2 years ago...

I must now read the IC thread...

lol. no worries.

Kudus to kev for whipin out teh katana of doom though, not many people remember to bring those to a zombie RP...
And none would be complete without one...

Well, duh, someone had to keep this RP realistic. :p

Everyone seems awfully determined to avoid contact /w/ me, first Kev when I was clearing the sububan home, what does he do?
He decides to either waltz into a caded church and/or zombie horde...

I made the same mistake 101st did... I didn't read the thread properly. It's just that I recovered swiftly, somewhat knowing the rules of RPs. What are they? Good question.

Hey is it possible to still join this?

wow, people keep joining. lol. It is just read enough of the IC to get a good idea what's been going on.

OK, so it sounds to me like most people are in a military base.

Name: Ziyoshiyua Ashida
Age: 26
Occupation: Military Pilot
Nationality: Kagetorian (similar to Japanese)
Height: 5' 8"
Weight: 145 lb
Hair: Black
Eyes: Dark brown

post ur character intro in the IC and ur good to go. Try to place urself somewhere near the others so u can get involved.

Am I allowed to have a fighter jet?

HELL NO! lol. Unless u want to say u crash landed in the city...in fact that could help me bring along the next story plot. But no u can not fly around in a fighter. lol.

Well yeah, I was planning on having it start where I crash

and where would you want me to crash?

sweet. Here's a better idea: start it as ur flying in on a payload mission. Dropping food and other supplies to the survivors in the city and i'll work with it :D

Ok then

sweet. U have actually provided me with a perfect opportunity here. lol. Much appreciated.

No problem

Kagetora;14314318']Am I allowed to have a fighter jet?

HELL NO! lol. Unless u want to say u crash landed in the city...in fact that could help me bring along the next story plot. But no u can not fly around in a fighter. lol.

U wanna get shot down for attempting to invade Mt Id? Followed by multi-national counter-invasion?*
If not, pls don't make that 'mistake', I've been there, not pretty, in spite of being extremely fun...

*Mt-Id seems to be a lot cooler with ppl showing up unannounced than Alidor was... so maybe he won't declare war upon you...

I made the same mistake 101st did... I didn't read the thread properly. It's just that I recovered swiftly, somewhat knowing the rules of RPs. What are they? Good question.
Wut R ruelz?

lol

I find the whole situation funny. Hey Hurtful, what's so bad about RPing a military guy, except that I brought a company with me? I mean, come on, he's a lot more likely to have an assault rifle than a civilian. Although in country that has G36';s in the gun shops (long time ago) and sells Kevlar at Mil Surp...

Got Crime?

lol. About the EMP field: no the EMP field wouldn't fry the reactor itself because the field was generated there and didn't actually affect anything inside the plant. Basically what the Intelligents did was create a wire mesh going from the reactor to outside the building in a sort of dome. That way, the electricity that would cause the EMP field would first flow through the wires (path of least resistance) and then shoot out from there. And this would also allow for a repeat performance :D. lol.

Because its sorta relevant, play this game. I still haven't beat it yet. (It's pretty tough)

http://www.addictinggames.com/thelaststand2.html

Oh that game is fun! I've beaten it twice now :D. lol. trick is to save up ur money to get the high caliber pistols and then just buy ammo until u can get the ultimate weapon. Don't waste it on other stuff.

What are you talking about?

This game you don't buy anything.

But I did beat it today

Kagetora;14316580']Because its sorta relevant, play this game. I still haven't beat it yet. (It's pretty tough)

http://www.addictinggames.com/thelaststand2.html
Lolwut? 1st try mothafucka!
Chansaw+Bow Pwnage on first try...

lol. About the EMP field: no the EMP field wouldn't fry the reactor itself because the field was generated there and didn't actually affect anything inside the plant. Basically what the Intelligents did was create a wire mesh going from the reactor to outside the building in a sort of dome. That way, the electricity that would cause the EMP field would first flow through the wires (path of least resistance) and then shoot out from there. And this would also allow for a repeat performance :D. lol.
True, perhaps, but it would fry the infrastructure it used as a broadcast-antenna (the wires used to send EMP would melt/fry), so you'd then need a whole new set of cables to send the next pulse or else it would be rather limited in reach.

As for radios, not really, they're all generally fucked whether on or off (reciever acts as lightning rod), except military-hardened ones or those thrown into faraday-cage-esque carrying cases. The hardened ones simply mean it'll take a bit more Emp to fry them beyond recognition.

And the fun part, is that the FCC rates the EMP hardness AAA though F, most civvies TVs of the CRT days are class B or C. A military-grade lump of electronics is generally A-grade or better...

So it should be the other way around, with the blackberry getting fried in the rucksack and now oozing battery-fluid, with the military comms unaffected, the CRTs would glow bright white/grey regardless of whether they have power, and the same goes for all flourescent/neon light fixtures.

I tried the bow. Didn't work for me. I finally beat, 2 survivors (Uzi and UMK or something) I had the AK and Chainsaw

And for my broadcaster, it was contained within a non-conductive pack (the emergency pack) so the electricity wouldn't go through it

The wires would only melt if the resistance in them was too great. Get an amazing conductor like generic power lines and they should survive multiple uses, granted being mutilated after each pulse. lol.

(doh! wrong game! lol i was thinking of another game i'd played. lol.

Yeah, I was thinking
WTH you talking bout?

It's a similar game, where you do buy stuff. Frankly, The Last Stand is a lot better.

In The Last Stand, at least the one I'm thinking of, you don't buy anything from what I remember.

The wires would only melt if the resistance in them was too great. Get an amazing conductor like generic power lines and they should survive multiple uses, granted being mutilated after each pulse. lol.
If the EMP was enough to fry the radios with electro-magnetic radiation, the resistance of the wires should be enough to ruin them utterly as conductors.
(think flash-bulb hot power-cables)

Resistance goes up as the wires heat, leading to a runaway electro-thermal reaction between the EMP and the antenna/power-cables/transformers/power-stations/sub-stations.

This would eventually lead to a break in the circut, mayb even a short, causing failure along the rest of the line...

Oh right, and 2 more words: Circuit breakers.

Please, just settle for a single epic EMP and a completely fregged-up infrastructure... (I'm assuming your zeds have tampered with the water)

Kagetora;14317421']I tried the bow. Didn't work for me. I finally beat, 2 survivors (Uzi and UMK or something) I had the AK and Chainsaw

And for my broadcaster, it was contained within a non-conductive pack (the emergency pack) so the electricity wouldn't go through it
AK-spam the center/edge, lob out a few mines/traps as you get them on the corners, whip out the saw when things get hectic.

The bow was generally fast enough for me till the near-end, sniper-rifles got nerfed, issuing the crappier automatics to the AI survivors helps tons.

lol, on one I got reckless, let the cades completely fall, pretty much ran the zombies in circle while refueling saw, then pwned from nowhere...
Chainsaws aren't that great IRListic conditions though...
For reasons I gave earlier (they break, get dull, run out of fuel, heavy, and have nasty tendancy to clog and/or kickback)

Then I had some fun with the M249+RPG7@ Military base, just to see what would happen if I took too long getting to safety...
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Actually, you want a conductive farraday-cage, such as the water-proof aluminum tin you got there...

Really? Well, the first pack isn't conductive, but I would imagine that the tin would be very conductive

So it should be the other way around, with the blackberry getting fried in the rucksack and now oozing battery-fluid, with the military comms unaffected,

Looking up EMPs on Wikipedia (Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_bomb) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse)), I get the impression that EMPs work on devices that are on, not off.

If the EMP was enough to fry the radios with electro-magnetic radiation, the resistance of the wires should be enough to ruin them utterly as conductors.
(think flash-bulb hot power-cables)

Resistance goes up as the wires heat, leading to a runaway electro-thermal reaction between the EMP and the antenna/power-cables/transformers/power-stations/sub-stations.

This would eventually lead to a break in the circut, mayb even a short, causing failure along the rest of the line...

Oh right, and 2 more words: Circuit breakers.

Please, just settle for a single epic EMP and a completely fregged-up infrastructure... (I'm assuming your zeds have tampered with the water)

I have to disagree. See, the mesh is in set in Parallel, which massively reduces the resistance of the entire system. The current can choose from hundreds of different paths and each path decreases the resistance. Thus, a mesh of wires can take a much higher current flow than just one wire could. I mean, a freaking chain link fence can survive a direct hit from a lightning bolt, so i'm fairly certain that high voltage wires can take a hell of a lot more. lol. Plus, having multiple EMPs is required for my plan. lol.

No, Hurtful's right. Having wires set in parallel will reduce the resistance of the system, but not enough to survive more than two or three EMP's, especially relatively inefficient ones produced by a powerplant. Unless you're using Superconductor filaments or something, but that would be FT and we would have to laugh and regain comm. There's actually an easier way to kill all the electronics in the city, one your zeds could do over and over again until we killed them, but...

Why would I want to tell you?

You mean a power surge through the electrical wires themselves? I thought about that but it wouldn't stop any over flying aircraft. And I know it won't work forever, but two or three times is enough. lol. That's what I said would happen anyways. lol.

Or you could destroy the generator/power plant/wires

Kagetora;14319863']Or you could destroy the generator/power plant/wires

Well, that's the easy way, and would limit everything to batteries and generators. But then the zombies would need to wait for the battieries to run-down and smash all generators...

Sending an EMP wrecks things by sending an induced current exceding the capacity of the equipment, and with sufficient power, it can jump the resistance-gap between on/off switches with ease.*

As for using Wiki for EMP info, Wikies pages are created and maintained by passers-by on the internet. And are sometimes prone to disinformation due to popular yet ficticious depictions of physics (such as "ragdoll" physics seen on Gary's Mod = RL, means wierd shit happened during the JFK assasination to keep the bus from going airborne).

My info came from Popular-Mechanics, a technical magazine, as well as studies upon the effects of EMP created by exo-atmospheric nuclear tests on electronic devices. Trust me, if the Ruskies blow a nuke over America, your car isn't diesel, it isn't running before the explosion, or requires electrical systems to regulate the fuel-injectors, you-are-fucked-without-a-paddle.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandSecurity/bg2199.cfm

As for what Owm is hinting at, yeah, jamming would fuck things up for the radios, with a hell of a lot less wear on the equipment...

*About on-par with how well wood conducts the electricity of a lightning-bolt...

From the crazy gun-lovin militias of America (http://www.americandefenseforces.com/emp.htm)
You will hear a sharp crack in the distance. By the time you mistakenly identify this sound as an innocent clap of thunder, the civilized world will have become unhinged. Fluorescent lights and television sets will glow eerily bright, despite being turned off. The aroma of ozone mixed with smoldering plastic will seep from outlet covers as electric wires arc and telephone lines melt. Your Palm Pilot and MP3 player will feel warm to the touch, their batteries overloaded. Your computer, and every bit of data on it, will be toast. And then you will notice that the world sounds different too. The background music of civilization, the whirl of internal-combustion engines, will have stopped. Save a few diesels, engines will never start again.

Effects:
b. Electromagnetic pulses can damage or destroy sensitive electronic components, such as microchips, coils, and fuses by overloading them with electrical current. Any equipment containing electronic components is subject to damage or destruction from EMP attack. FM radios are susceptible to EMP damage. The amount of damage to equipment depends on its distance from the source of the pulse. EMP can seriously damage electronic devices connected to power sources or antennas. This include communication systems, computers, electrical appliances, and automobile or aircraft ignition systems. The damage could range from a minor interruption to actual burnout of components. Most electronic equipment within 1,000 miles of a high-altitude nuclear detonation could be affected. Battery powered radios with short antennas generally would not be affected.

The first paragraph is worst-case, EOTWAWKI** scenario of a multi-megaton bomb going off in orbit over your backyard.

In short, in a more hopeful scenario, battery-opeted stuff that wasn't normaly affected by electro-magnets before, would operate just fine afterwards, so your car would work if you ripped off the antennas, essentially turning the body into a faraday cage (the antenna would have functioned as a "front-door", and the quicker microsecond-mega-pulses could flash-fry the whole thing before circuit breakers would work, but that's as likely as it sounds in most cases, though your radio would be toast...) short-range taccoms would continue to work unless they happened to stand insanely close-by, as would a dissassembled long-range radios and properly mothballed electronics (put the cover on your computer and use an UPS and surge-suppressors before and after, congrats, your computer is now EM-hardened, and should work fine as soon as the CRT settles down... any second now... *pressses 'degaus'*).

**Damn, I'm a nerd...
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But then again, we has fucking zombies, fuck realism...

cant we get back to the RP thread. I need HT to answer me

cant we get back to the RP thread. I need HT to answer me
I'm not sure yet whether or not they panicked and hacked-off my legs yet...

Loss of electricity at an improvised medical-station when you have a poorly staunched bullet-wound to the leg tends to make them wanna get all:

"I bet I can cut a leg off with this saw in 30 seconds"
"I'll take you on that wager, $5 you can't cut his leg off in 15..."
*Strap-down, morphine, cut-cut, burn, suture, stitich, cart*
"Next!"

Yeah that kind of "quite some time later"

Lets just say they didnt until MT says otherwise and plz respond too my last post.

(no, you're fine. Plus you have a guy that talked to you. lol. You're just in an infirmary. They know ur not infected. lol)

ok so lets get back too the RP

Hey Id, you said you had a plan for my character, mind explaining?

Well, for your character specifically, not really. lol. I had a plan for the overall RP which you helped advance. As for your character, just insinuate him into the rest of the RP and the players and I'll get some stuff going. Feel free to RP some NPCs when you want to get stuff done when i'm not around. Like you say "Where's the ammo?" and you say one of the soldiers says "Over there". you know, give ur character the info he needs. lol.

Oh yeah lol. I forgot I was out of ammo

(no, you're fine. Plus you have a guy that talked to you. lol. You're just in an infirmary. They know ur not infected. lol)

Ahwww....
Nobody wants to maim the cripple...
Crap...

I so wanted to beat some zombies sensless with a peg-leg in this RP...
*Wooden Ash-leg, +50% damage to undead lulz, very fast attack speed*

And no, shotguns do not make good peg-legs...
I'll shoot you with my peg-leg if you tried something silly like that...

101st platoon, I'll think of something silly and witty to say ICly... someday...

Why do you call me weird names like platoon or airborne. BTW 101st airborne was some noob nation that wasnt me i think.

Why do you call me weird names like platoon or airborne. BTW 101st airborne was some noob nation that wasnt me i think.
Wierd Names?
Ppl liek t abbv nms... Info gets lost/jumbled as resault.

Plus there be slips of the memory/keyboard...
Like me confusing Toc for Shester...
Or Cravan for Kraven Corp...
Or Antigr and Dephire depending on how mentally stable they are that day...

Wierd Names?
Ppl liek t abbv nms... Info gets lost/jumbled as resault.

Plus there be slips of the memory/keyboard...
Like me confusing Toc for Shester...
Or Cravan for Kraven Corp...
Or Antigr and Dephire depending on how mentally stable they are that day...

We got the idea... now just take it slow. Take it slow.

OOC: Kenavt, get to the infermary and start a conversation with me and HT

No can do, bud - I've got to take care of me and Mason first. You guys get over here with your peg leg, HT!

Fun time people :D.

Hey Mt. Id, if the GM agrees to it in the 28 days later thread, would it be cool if we copied your zed format (basic, brute, intelligent, and super)?

No can do, bud - I've got to take care of me and Mason first. You guys get over here with your peg leg, HT!
No peg-leg yet. But I'm also not sure if anyone bothered to pull out the bullet...

And now the base is under attack... um... guys?

Where'd everybody go?

What's that noise?

OHSHI-

Feel free to at least try killing-off my character, as I seem to be involved in quite a few RPs ATMoment...

Standard stuff... 2 allies having simultanious civil wars, unstable tyrant with strangle-hold over massive nuclear stockpile aimed @ my country, invasion of multiple protectates/colonies, a few border clashes, IJSF calling me to mast for crimes against humanity, and a military excercise thingy with Orbath...

And that's just the stuff on Jolt...
On NSD I'm trying to pass-through a "fucking wierd" bullpuped DMR in my "spare time"...
On stuff non-NS-realted, and IRL, I've also got a sizeable plate of things to do...

Anyways, where's Ash's rucksack of weapons?
I'll go al "Bill Foster" on your ass! :lol:

No peg-leg yet. But I'm also not sure if anyone bothered to pull out the bullet...

And now the base is under attack... um... guys?

Where'd everybody go?

What's that noise?

OHSHI-

Feel free to at least try killing-off my character, as I seem to be involved in quite a few RPs ATMoment...

Standard stuff... 2 allies having simultanious civil wars, unstable tyrant with strangle-hold over massive nuclear stockpile aimed @ my country, invasion of multiple protectates/colonies, a few border clashes, IJSF calling me to mast for crimes against humanity, and a military excercise thingy with Orbath...

And that's just the stuff on Jolt...
On NSD I'm trying to pass-through a "fucking wierd" bullpuped DMR in my "spare time"...
On stuff non-NS-realted, and IRL, I've also got a sizeable plate of things to do...

Anyways, where's Ash's rucksack of weapons?
I'll go al "Bill Foster" on your ass! :lol:

The usual?

What battle, by the way?

Kagetora;14327107']OOC: Lol, after the battle, you should give Ziyo your sword and trade it for the G-36. I think both characters would perform better. Ziyo can't shoot, and it doesn't seem like your character is very proficient with a blade.

Yah... but no. It's a family heirloom, dangit!

You're getting attacked by zombies. I think survival should take place over history

He won't be pleased. I still think this is a no-go, unless he dies.

I can arrange that lol.

Or at least let me train your guy how to use it.

Kagetora;14327486']I can arrange that lol.

Or at least let me train your guy how to use it.

Jeez, you sound like a somewhat good friend of mine.

That's a good idea, however. Should make for some good RPing. Sure, why not?

lol

cool. now to figure out how to ensure my guy's survival. he's kinda reckless

Kagetora;14327022']Hey Mt. Id, if the GM agrees to it in the 28 days later thread, would it be cool if we copied your zed format (basic, brute, intelligent, and super)?

Sure thing. And I am the GM :D lol.

Well, I meant the other GM, but ok

Telz isn't as much a GM in this one as an adviser. He'll probably be co GM in Overrun 2. lol.

Cool, but I meant the GM of the 28 Days rp.

Ohhhhhh! lol. I feel dumb now. Who is that anyways?

It's supposed to be Suzannyah, but since he/she doesn't come on that often, I've taken the initiative.

ah, cool.

But now you're in trouble! Oh well, I think Suzzy doesn't really care much.

Ok guys, i'm going on vacation for the next week or so so I won't be on as much. Feel free to RP the zombie attack on the camp all the way through to them being pressed back/you being overrun. Your choice. I'll let Telz (if he's around) run it for a little while if its needed.

I suppose it would help if I read the OOC thread to know when I'm being psuedo handed the reigns :S

Sorry about that guys.

Ok, lets get the carnage started!

lol. Yeah. I'll get on and post whenever I can, but it'll take a bit more time than I can probably give.

Sorry it's taking me so long to run a GM post. I'm working on something for you guys. I hope you'll like it... And people are expecting me to be a growd up adult and do stupid growd up adult things like work and be nice to people who suck to sell them crap. :S I hate stupid people.

lol. you'll get over it.

And... I'm back for posting just one more day. Then I'll be gone again. Hectic lifestyle, I have.

'Jaunting' FTW...

Kem's in Random IIRC, things are still fairly safe there for now.

Yeah, that's why I should only co-GM :D I suck :D I'll make it up to you.

Anyone who understood the first line was a nerd.* (http://thetomorrowpeople.wikia.com/wiki/Jaunting)

Well, safe aside from the fact that there's scritters/headcrabs...

Teleportation by means of the mind or innate personal abilities are sometimes referred to as p-Teleportation, "psychoportation", or "jaunting"; named after the fictional scientist (Jaunte) who discovered it in The Stars My Destination

Kinda the only way to explain how 3 completely isolated groups of people can intermitently intereact with each other...
It happens, heck, I'm even at a loss to where everyone is ATM (because I lost track of who's-who)...

Well, i'm back from my vacation so I should be around more once again. I like the idea of zombie healers. That's one I actually hadn't thought of before...

Never heard of the exploits of "Dr Logan" from DotD and the Slaughterhouses on Warcraft, eh?

Course, they'd need some ability to make rudimentry repairs to nerve-endings...

*Otherwise, it's more like a rehab center for living cripples so they can be properly turned.
(IE: insert infected hand here, and to minimize mental/physical degradation)
*The other option is to use the really dead zekes as a form of biological artillery...

Since nobody is entirely sure how this would work, the 'aid station' would be a low-priority research project mostly making use of the maimed zombies and any live prisioners they recieve.

basically they would butcher some semi-living zombies that can't function in their current condition and use them to repair other zombies. makes sense.

basically they would butcher some semi-living zombies that can't function in their current condition and use them to repair other zombies. makes sense.
Except it raises the question of how dead are the undead.

The fact that they have noticeable decay implies they cannot reconstruct themselves on teh cellular level, meaning wrecked nerve-endings stay wrecked, thus attaching limbs may as well been a peg-leg...

So then they start grafting limbs onto badly crippled survivors, and try to stabalise them just long enough for the nerves to grow back... That gets tricky...

While at it, they may experiment with how to encourage super-zed production, with usually less than desired resaults. May involve caring for infants and raising them as 'ferals' to serve the undead up until a point (see also 'Mercy' class (http://www.thezombiehunters.com/zombies.php#mercy) and 'ferals' from WWZ).

I can't disagree with the cliches, but in the plus column I liked the new ideas thrown into the mix such as lost children going feral, and the occasional live human losing it and going 'zombie' - forget the term they used for that one, but they were interesting new ways of looking at a concept. I love zombie movies, but they have a tendency to really bring out laziness in filmmakers, just keep tilling the same tired ground.

Not really. Lets say one undead is missing a right arm and another undead is almost completely destroyed EXCEPT for his right arm. You can take that mostly undamaged right arm off of the seriously wounded one and put it on the other one and then cauterize the wound to seal it shut. That would get the arm on there.
Then we can add in a special ability for the zombies that they evolved to survive longer. They can have a sort of "feeler" that comes out of their wounds and attaches to something that would fit in its place such as nerve endings or skin. This might end up leading to having a leg for an arm, but that is still better than having nothing. lol

Or the regeneration process is part of the virus. Bare with me HT. If you take two different blood types and merge them together that some how sparks the virus to begin repairing the severely wounded tissue. Where it would kill someone else due to the blood mingle. And as things like this go it operates mind boggelingly fast due to Mt. Id's bacteria load that is normally harmless to humans but acts as a catalyst to the virus.

If you want to go that route. If not we're looking at it happening magically and I don't know about the rest of you but magic zombies are never good, and as far back as my records go magic zombies pwn everything. Even pirates, ninjas, and pirate ninjas!

But not Gir, he makes magic zombie taco's out of them :D

Mt. Id, Okay so I epically failed on the first GM post, but if the Super Zed is smart enough to plan an assault like this then he is definitely smart enough to plan a dual push. The reason dual pushes don't typically work is because of expendability, attrition and not having enough troops to put on both objectives, and having the forces split over tens of thousands of miles so they can't back each other up is also bad. But in the same city they would pretty much pwn everything. But if you were to pick up new warriors the more you fought? Well that makes multiple fronts extraordinarily easy and economical as far as troops go. That's my story ad I'm sticking to it.

I take it that Mt Id has either seen the Faculty or The Pantoms (1998 horror movie, with regenerative-tentacle-killing goodness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7E8WMzEGFQ), even includes a creepy little child that kills people [trailer] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH5X60GOnhA)).

I think I'll stick with it that they aren't completely dead yet, and can therefore heal, though it makes surgery a tad more tricky. That or I could use the method Telz outlined, if it works of course.

But for now, expect enough "failures" on the zombie-operating-table, for any watching zombies to be hesitant to find volunteers...

Haven't seen either movie but I like Telz's idea almost as much as mine :D. lol. And as to the assault, that definitely works

Okay so my two cents are:

Dogs in packs no bigger than 7. The brains of the dogs aren't more complex but just different enough to make it difficult for the SZ's to control them in numbers greater than that. In addition to the horde. If the SZ's want to control more than one pack of seven they have to give up control of the horde while they're doing so. The dogs will attack anything living but lack the tactical coordination to make major take downs by themselves, as well as do the subtle things like stay quiet, wait for the right moment etc.

Crows and Ravens in murders no bigger than 30, same reason as the dogs. Smaller brains make it easier to control more and the flock mentality helps with this as well.

Lions and tigers and bears oh my!
Zoo animals... Well I say it takes two SZ's to coordinate and control something that large. With pauses up to 30 seconds when taking control and relinquishing control, kind of like a spell cool down. Due to the will of these animals taking control at all would be hard enough, let alone keeping it. Cast 3 times a day for 60 seconds. :D

Cats, no SZ's cannot take over cats. Nothing on the face of the planet can comprehend cats let alone control them. You can have the illusion of control of a feline but that's all it is is the illusion of control.

Rats either.
No canaries either.

That's my two sense what do you think Mt., HT, anyone else?

Maybe not the cool down effect cause that's just getting a little too D&D for me. lol. And the SZ's don't "control" the zombie horde. They lead them. I was actually going to suggest that the animals be treated as if they were still animals. Say the rats and birds kept in cages and the dogs and such kept on leashes or in pins and when they are needed they are released from their confines to seek out any living flesh

Arm the zombie proles with boomsticks/molotovs/pipe-bombs and employ volleyed fire.

If that fails, light the first wave on fire, followed by a wave wielding fire extinguishers...

Lighting dogs on fire and sending them through corn-fields is biblically epic win (Samson had some interesting tactics).

Agreed, but the cool down thing is so they don't frickin pwn everyone on earth! By making them as intelligent as they were prior to infection and eliminating the need for self preservation you make them juggernauts, which of course makes things even more difficult. That's why the good old horde of stupid shambelers is such a massive threat. The sheer numbers overwhelm and annihilate survivors. Take a city that is 2 miles square. Not a lot of distance. On Average you can have up to 10,000 people in that area at any given time (shopping, living, passing by, etc.) Time's Square is an awesome example. So even without intelligence they are still an insane threat based purely on growing numbers as one is bitten they become infected. Unless we're going off of I am legend criteria then lethality is an issue when it is spread or becomes airborne and spreads (Overrun 2 Mt.? :D ).

I'm against the fire thing as it uses the body for fuel and bodies on fire will bake the brain in approximately six minutes. Effectively eliminating it. If the virus put off some kind of fuel then sweet. Some kind of chemical reaction. And as RP'ing a survivor too :D Unless we have indirect fire or other call in assets aside from supply air drops.

Also why would they attack us with force? This is something I've been wondering. If they need us to feed on [alive] and they need us; either, fundamentally or naturally, driven to bring up their numbers why would they kill us. Or are we playing that they can be reanimated after death? Questions questions questions.

They're attacking you in force because the Super Zed knows that you are heavily defended and he needs enough strength to break through and actually eat you guys. lol.

+1, and they need enough numbers to break free from the quarantine.

Okay so you now have 100 from your original horde of 300 basics and however many Muscle Z's, you have a grand total of 100 left after the Reason's square detonated it's 1,800lbs of explosives on them. Not including the snipers, and the men on the ground. I'm being generous with 100. I'll even go as high as 150 pre-explosion. Post explosion anything on the ground in that area and anything 600 feet above that area is toast. Not to mention the concussive blast would probably knock off some less than secure limbs on the other shambelers.

That's if the blasts are centralized in the middle of the square but they're not. They're placed in specific areas for mass casualties. Again, one infantry company fortified in a well defended position with an additional 200+ armed civilians. Numbers are in our favor. Especially if the SZ's are not in control of the horde only leading them.

And the SZ being able to tell there are explosives there is minimal, professionals laid these explosives there is no way to see them from the surface and they're not marked. Like I said even the civilians didn't know. And unless the SZ's have latent psychic abilities that no one knows about. :D

Numbers speak for themselves. Ask HT, even if he doesn't like it he has to admit that the numbers are there.

So basically what I'm saying is I win! lol

We just have to play it down to the last battle and describe the carnage.

Additionally I think the smartest SZ should escape to Overrun 2.

Numbers speak for themselves. Ask HT, even if he doesn't like it he has to admit that the numbers are there.
You 'win'... For now...

But what about when they come back?
How long can 200 people, mostly non-mil, stay "locked-up"?

At some point, they'll have to move, and when they do, it's my turn...

Tactical victory, strategic defeat, you're out of "tricks", while zeke is only getting warmed up with all sorts of nasty...

Plus, only OOCly you would 'know' how many zekees are still moving out there...
Moving across a mound of undead bodies is just begging for an ankle-bite.

Hey Mt Id, this stuff has great potential, would you mind if I took it and turned it into a book?

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Numbers speak for themselves. Ask HT, even if he doesn't like it he has to admit that the numbers are there.
You 'win'... For now...

But what about when they come back?
How long can 200 people, mostly non-mil, stay "locked-up"?

At some point, they'll have to move, and when they do, it's my turn...

Tactical victory, strategic defeat, you're out of "tricks", while zeke is only getting warmed up with all sorts of nasty...

Plus, only OOCly you would 'know' how many zekees are still moving out there...
Moving across a mound of undead bodies is just begging for an ankle-bite.
[NS]Kagetora Hey Mt Id, this stuff has great potential, would you mind if I took it and turned it into a book?

But HT, my only mission was to fall them back. Mt. Id stated that we were to RP up to that point prior to his return... Mt Id
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Ok guys, i'm going on vacation for the next week or so so I won't be on as much. Feel free to RP the zombie attack on the camp all the way through to them being pressed back/you being overrun. Your choice. I'll let Telz (if he's around) run it for a little while if its needed. Although I epically failed in that regard. The Survivors get Mission Accomplished when they secure a sight for evac :D The Reason's building is perfect, even with the chunk the Z's took out of it with they're little Katusha attack.

+1 OWC's Troops and an Immortal Soldier of Telz!

The only issue I see with it Kage is that it uses a number of pre-copy righted aspects. Like the classification of Brutes, and Super Zeds. Brutes are derived from Left 4 Dead if I'm correct and the Super Zeds are derived from any number of sources: I am Legend, Left for Dead, Armies of Darkness (Anything I missed HT?).

But! If you do a little creative editing and make them act a certain way, or have personality traits etc. You could definitely pull this off with ease. But the key is that you:
1. Give Mt. Id credit and if I was him I would demand royalties.
2. Work with him extensively to ensure his vision is met, as you are using his idea. (That doesn't mean you have to email him every two seconds. Write it then give him last rights of refusal, if that's what he wants to do, he's pretty easy going.)
3. Give people the credit for they're characters.

Guess how I know all this :D

But HT, my only mission was to fall them back. Mt. Id stated that we were to RP up to that point prior to his return... Although I epically failed in that regard. The Survivors get Mission Accomplished when they secure a sight for evac :D The Reason's building is perfect, even with the chunk the Z's took out of it with they're little Katusha attack.
So you're in a corner. My part is to pick up where you left-off until Mt-Id gets back, we couldn't have you over-minding both survivors AND zekes now, could we? :wink:

The only issue I see with it Kage is that it uses a number of pre-copy righted aspects. Like the classification of Brutes, and Super Zeds. Brutes are derived from Left 4 Dead if I'm correct and the Super Zeds are derived from any number of sources: I am Legend, Left for Dead, Armies of Darkness (Anything I missed HT?).
Doom, Day of the Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Night of the Living Dead, and Shaun of the dead, Resident-Evil, WWZ, House of the Dead, not sure about Land and/or Diary...

Okay, so at least I don't have to run both. I was worried about it because nothings been happening, and I've been bored. SO! Here's what I see. We need to run a good end game and I say it's 50/50 on who lives and dies. I think the idea is for the mainz to live and the ancilz to die. We just have to figure out how.

I'm fortified and I'm not coming out, you've got maneuverability.

Ball's in your court.

Not sure what to do with Ziyo...

Hey Mt Id, this stuff has great potential, would you mind if I took it and turned it into a book?
By this I meant, take the rp, write a book using it's storyline/characters (with a small tweak here and there) and see if I can get it published or something

Kagetora;14372364']Hey Mt Id, this stuff has great potential, would you mind if I took it and turned it into a book?

Sure thing Kage. I never thought of turning it into a book but a lot of RPs could be and this one would be rather good if I do say so myself. lol. Just make sure you smooth things over and fix the grammer us edumified computer nerds use. lol.

And for all that copyright crap, not even. lol. I pulled all that straight from my head. I don't even know what you're talking about with brutes and L4D. they may be similar, but its a zombie. How original can you get? lol.

And to be honest, the idea was mine, but the story won't be. So feel free to send it to me for reviewal, but don't worry about crediting me or anything. If it gets published, thats because ALL of us put together a good story. That's part of an RP. If you're going to credit someone, credit this RP group. And the royalties...just put it in my bank account :D. lol. And maybe a free copy. lol.

Oh and you might want to IC blow up the explosives cause otherwise I can't close this thing :( lol. And yes it is soon to be solved. BUT...be ready for Overrun 2 :D lol.

lololol, you like that don't you?

Anyway, thanks, sure, I'll post it on here before I attempt to get it published or anything. And ok

Not sure a book would fit in the thread...lol. besides, you'd be giving your book out for free to all the NS players. lol. I would suggest e-mail or something. lol.

Good idea. But the point is, if I ever finish it (probably not) everyone who contributed would get it before it is released (if ever)