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It was an age of war, of alliances. It was the age of huge armies clashing together, the age of black powder weapons sending volleys of death hurtling into an enemy line. It was the age in which roars of cannons could be heard, in which tall ships gracefully slid over the seas into uncharted territory. It was an age of feuds and feudalism, of politics and intrigue. Espionage and assassination were around every corner.

It was the 18th Century.

And what better time for a RP to be set?

So here’s how I think it should work. You RP your nation as a European state during the 18th Century. There’s no need for huge factbooks (though you can make one if you like), just fill in the simple thingy below. Any information would be great; tell us about your leaders or politics or history; whatever. I’ll make a map, and then we can battle on land and sea. Eventually I might add colonies…

I think this will be fun. For simplicity’s sake I’ll have to restrict the numbers a little, so get signing up as soon as possible!

Nation Name:
Leader:
Religion:
Pupulation: (Keep it small and realistic!)
Region:
Military: (ie. how many? and of what?)
Colour: (What colour do you want to be on the map?)
Flag:
Other:

THE YEAR IS 1762

http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp312/The_Republic_of_Parilisa/800px-Flag_of_Prussia_1892-1918_svg.png
Nation Name: The Kingdom of Parilisa
Leader: King Rudolf VI
Religion: Catholic
Population: 5 Million
Region: Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia
Military: Mainly Infantry. Around 85,000 regular soldiers, with large backups of artilery. Aprrox 25,000 cavalry. Navy is small, but Parilisa concentrates mainly on domination through land battles.
Colour: Black
Flag: Prussia (See above)

Here's the map so far. If you want changes made then give me a shout!


http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp312/The_Republic_of_Parilisa/map_blank4-3.jpg

The Kingdom of Parilisa-Black
The Silion Empire-White
The Kingdom of Darkombye-Purple
Calendrandia-Dark Green
The Duchy of Alvera-Dark Blue
Kingdom of Alemmania-Light Brown
The Republic of Lorraine-Dark Red
Imperial-Light Red
The Monarchy of Jufonce- Light Green
The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia-Orange
The Empire of Wirgoczyia-Light Blue
The Kingdom of Greal-Yellow
The Monarchy of Crasanovia-Pink

CURRENT THREADS
Invasion of Alvera (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14158918#post14158918)
Invasion of Brittany (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571058)
King of Parilisa Seeks a Bride (Alliances available!) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14163067#post14163067)

OOC friendly warning: If this RP doesn't actually feature NS nations then the Mods are likely to stop it running in the NS forums...

Yeah, you're supposed to RP your Ns nation, but on a map.

I'm game, but I won't be able to rp properly, OK at all, on the weekends. On weekdays though I shall do my level best.

Nation Name: Kingdom of Scandinavia (The precursor to the Federation)
Leader: King Axel II
Religion: Protestant
Population: Is 2.5 million fair?
Region: Could I have Norway, Sweden and Finland
Military: 100,000 in the army. Mostly infantry but with an elite artillery corps and some respectable cavalry units. I would also like to have a powerful navy.
Colour: White
Flag: Sweden's
Other: An old nation with a strongly held policy of neutrality. The theory of trade before war and religious tolerance is strongly held by the court. The new King however is wary of developments on the continent and the military is still resentful of the defeats it suffered during the Jute War when the Danes managed to defeat Scandinavian forces and through off Axel I's rule. Since then the development of a large modern fleet and the upgrading of the army's artillery equipment has been the priority of military policy.

OOC: Do you mind if I take part of southern Sweden Artic Republic?

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/europe3.jpg

Nation Name:The Kingdom of Darkombye
Leader:Emperor Nikolei Darkombye the Great
Religion:Catholic
Pupulation: 1.1 million
Region: around Italy and serbia(some small territories in Italy from 20 miles around ravenna and up to the sea and a chunk near the city of Rijeka for about 700 miles)
Military: 100,000 army regulars and all men can be conscripted and 50,000 navy men
Colour: white
Flag:st.Pierre and miquelon
Other:The emperor is only 23 years old and there was a revoulution 5 years ago

All acepted. Darkombye, could you choose another colour for you as artic republics has already reserved white? And are all those territories joined, as 700 miles from Rijeka encompasses Ravenna? I've done it like that on the map for the time being, and it looks pretty good, but if you want it editing let me know.
New Kereptica, the map you show includes all my land and large chunks of Artic Republic's. Perhaps you could edit it slightly?

Nation Name: Kingdom of Ascelonia
Leader: Emperor Valerus
Religion: Christianity
Pupulation: 2.25 million
Region: Byzantine Empire regions
Military: 25,000 Professional Soldiers, 5,000 sailors
Colour: Blue
Flag: Gold cross of lorraine on blue background
Other:

Accepted. The Byzantine Empire was mainly Greece and Turkey wasn't it? I've filled in that area on the map.

Nation Name:Calendrandia
Leader: King Calendrone IV and parliment
Religion:Anglican
Pupulation: 15 million
Region:The British Isles, Brittany
Military: 80,000 gun infantry, 15,000 naval men, 250 ships(60 men-o-war), 7,000 calvalry, 12,000 pikemen/halberdiers, 1,000 artillery and their men
Colour: Dark Green
Flag: Dark green square with a hawk and a grifffin battling a dragon over a throne
Other: A large kingdom with the best navy in the world, the people recently established control over their king through parliment.

Accepted. This is the 1700's, I was thinking late. Like Napoleonic era technology.

Nation Name: The Duchy of Alvera
Leader: Duke Wilhelm II
Religion: Protestant
Population: 15 Million
Region: Northern Germany and Denmark
Military: Mostly Infantry, Army of 85,000 men, all Volunteer but conscription can be enforced. Excellent Artillery and light Cavalry. Navy consists of 100 ships of which 35 are ships of the line.
Colour: Deep Blue
Flag: Old Portuguese Flag

Finland Norway and Sweden have already been taen by Artic Republics. Sorry!

Finland Norway and Sweden have already been taen by Artic Republics. Sorry!

I've edited my choices

Can I just point that that 1 person in every 20 is in your Infantry alone? I think that some of the Pop levels suggested here are far too low

Nation Name: Kingdom of Alemmania
Leader: King Theodoric Aloysius Sigismund
Religion: Catholic
Pupulation: 2.2 million
Region: Bavaria, some of Wurtemburg and some of Austria
Military: 150,000 max infantry with artillery backup
Colour: Light Brownish-Grey
Flag: Going to post it pretty soon, It's a black Eagle on a golden Bavaria flag

Maybe we could put this on an off-site forum?

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2779/allemagneau0.th.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allemagneau0.png)http://img525.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Here's the flag for Alemmania.

I've just realised that the 18th Century is too early for the Napoleonic wars, which happen in the early 19th Century. Wars of this time would be more like the Seven Years War

I've just realised that the 18th Century is too early for the Napoleonic wars, which happen in the early 19th Century. Wars of this time would be more like the Seven Years War

Or it could be 19th century, before the American Civil war. I like Napoleonic tech.

Or it could be 19th century, before the American Civil war. I like Napoleonic tech.

Well, technically, I think they used the same technology. I know a lot about the Napoleonic Wars but I know little about the Seven Years War

I think we should start as early as possible, becuae the 19th century alone sounds kind of limited to me.
It also never said that this was a Napoleonic RP, just an 18th century RP.

Well, it's not up to me but if you want to use 19th century tech, then the earliest you can do is about 1740 I think

The earlier, the better.

can i change my coulour to purple then

All accepted. I was thinking Napoleonic, but I said 18th Century because 19th conjures up images of the American Civil War and the Victorian Empire. I think that the 1760's (yeah I know that's not technicly Napoleonic) would be good. What do you think?

I'm uploading the map so far right now.

Sounds good ^^

When do we start?

Is the map OK? Well I don't see why we can't start now. Fancy starting an RP between our nations? You control Denmark, which Parilisa would be desperate to get it's hands on to be able to rule the Baltic. I'll get a psot up ASAP if you're up for it?

Alright then, what do you know of the era in terms of warfare?

Pretty darn basic. Muskets had been around for a while but they were shockingly inacurate, so tactics usualy meant just lining up and taking shots. Weapons malfunctioned a lot too!

And cool uniforms!!!!

Can I join in?

Nation Name: The Republic of Lorraine
Leader: President Colbert
Religion: Catholic (Other religions are tolerated)
Population: 26.3 Million (These populations are kinda small, shouldn't they be a bit bigger, more like 15 million?)
Region: France, Lowlands (Belgium, Netherlands), Corsica
Military: 350,000 infantry (5% are rifled), 4,000 cannon, 12,000 cavalry, 250 ships (75 are ships of the line) The military is large and powerful because of Lorraine's proximity to so many nations.
Colour: Crimson (Dark Red)
Flag: http://www.clockworksky.net/puritan_world/pw_french_flag.gif
Other: The Republic of Lorraine has had several different forms of rule, but a revolution 8 years ago led to the creation of the position of President, an elected position. Though democracy is in Lorraine, nobles and peasants are still commonplace names in Lorraine. Its military is very well trained and equiped because of threats from every direction.

The map's perfect with me. Except for one thing, could I have the rest of Austria (given how big every other nation is.)?

Pretty darn basic. Muskets had been around for a while but they were shockingly inacurate, so tactics usualy meant just lining up and taking shots. Weapons malfunctioned a lot too!

And cool uniforms!!!!

Yeah, I like the Uniforms too ^^

I'm game for a good war, let's do it :p

Yeah, I like the Uniforms too ^^

I'm game for a good war, let's do it

Maybe that's something else we sould choose, uniforms.

I already have ^^ (http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/mreynolds058_photos/?action=view&current=AlveriInfantry.jpg)

Mass Prediction- I was thinking exactly the same thing. PLus you're slap bang in the middle, you need to be a bit bigger.

Alversia, I'llmake a post tonight. Sorry about the delay.

Metz-Lorraine, accepted. Good to see a republic in there.

so how does this play wars ,weddings and so on ?

Just the same as anything else in Nationstates I guess. veryone can have wars and aliances would certainly make things intresting.

i'am still work on this as i'am trying to find out how many troops in the Prussia and Russian army and their Pupulation

Nation Name: Imperial
Leader: 20 year old Baldur
Religion:none
Pupulation: (Keep it small and realistic!)181,537,000 est
Region:Russia
Military: (ie. how many? and of what?)333, 000
111,000 infantry, 111,000 cavalry, and 111,000 artillerymen
Colour: (What colour do you want to be on the map?) blood red
Flag:http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flaggepreuc39fenkriegsfnw5.png
Other: Baldur young and single an can be married to

Can I join in?

Nation Name: The Monarchy of Jufonce
Leader: King Chucky
Religion: Christianity
Pupulation: 17 million
Region: Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Switerzerland
Military: Mainly Infantry. Around 100,000 regular soldiers, with large backups of artilery. Aprrox 30,000 cavalry.
Colour: Light Green
Flag: http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/jufonce__1.jpg
Other: Controlled by the King and the King only. Will go to war over their food touching. (Exaggeration intended)

i've all readly picked Russia find another spot

i've all readly picked Russia find another spot

There, fixed.

Italy has already been taken

the army uniforms
http://www.military-art.com/mall/more.php?ProdID=2521

Think I could have Gibralter and Iceland too?

We have to figure out a reasonable population size for all of this. Should we make them representative of that era and give certain people way to much and others way to little?

Imperial Isa for ezample now has about 181 million people, while Parisila has 3 million. Russia today has 144 million people.

i can find that they had 331, 000 in the Russian army in the 18th Century but you think i can find how many poeple all up,can't find a dam thing

Here's Alemmania's Army Uniforms (I drew it myself):
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2923/uniformgk7.th.png (http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uniformgk7.png)http://img383.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Also, is it possible for me to have Switzerland, the rest of Germany, and Bohemia (Czech Republic), since all the other nations are so huge?

Hey Lorraine, I think we should have a war. You would want Brittany, and I would see your Democracy as a threat, and we have different main religions! Our countries must hate each other!

Right, there's been loads of recquests for land so to make it as fair as possible it's first come, first served.

A note on populations; keep them realistic. The world's population in the 18th Century was like a 6th of what it is today. Plus it'll be no fun if we have HUGE nations picking on tiny one.

And somebody mentioned rifles. I think that having an entire army with rifles is unrealistic, so perhaps it should be restricted to about 5% of your army.

If there's any rp's going on could you post a link to them in here? Then I can put them on the first post and it will be easier to organise.

Right, I'm off to make some map edits!

Oops, ive posted as IBU...that was Parilisa ^^^^

Damn having two accounts!

Right, fixed. So could u please reduce your pop a bit Imperial?

Russia today has 144 million people.

2008 estimate has it at 142,008,838
2002 census had it at 145,166,731
what i i used is what it was in 1916

The population has decreased since WWI, that's odd! I thought we were getting more populated as a planet.

The population has decreased since WWI, that's odd! I thought we were getting more populated as a planet.

Well, there was WWII, and Stalin's slave camps, and the dissolution of the USSR to lower the population.

Do't forget about ww2 in between.

And Isa, that population is for the Russian Empire, not the country of Russia, the Russian Empire included Ukraine, Romania, Poland, Finland and large parts of northern China and mongolia.

And what about our war Parilisa?

2008 estimate has it at 142,008,838
2002 census had it at 145,166,731
what i i used is what it was in 1916

This is in like 1770 or something.

Think I could have Gibralter and Iceland too?

I've added Iceland. Gibraltar is too small to colour in!!!

The population has decreased since WWI, that's odd! I thought we were getting more populated as a planet.

think ever one leaving it,

i can't find the real number how may poeple it had in this time frame an i been at wiki and other sites all day

only number i find was the army so anyone better in math then me can give a hand i be happy

And what about our war Parilisa?


I'm writing the post now! Just gonna upload the map first then I'll get cracking on with it.

"only number i find was the army so anyone better in math then me can give a hand i be happy"

If they had 300,000 odd then maybe the pop is reasonable. I think you're alright leaving it then.

"only number i find was the army so anyone better in math then me can give a hand i be happy"

If they had 300,000 odd then maybe the pop is reasonable. I think you're alright leaving it then.

Cool on the war thing,

And that Army from from the entire Russian Empire! Not just Russia.

Do't forget about ww2 in between.

And Isa, that population is for the Russian Empire, not the country of Russia, the Russian Empire included Ukraine, Romania, Poland, Finland and large parts of northern China and mongolia.

And what about our war Parilisa?

176.4 million is what i just find

"only number i find was the army so anyone better in math then me can give a hand i be happy"

If they had 300,000 odd then maybe the pop is reasonable. I think you're alright leaving it then.

No way! then we would all get crushed! even allowing the fact that the Russian military was the worst in the world! Also The rest of the nations should probaly have larger populations.

176.4 million is what i just find

Let's try 44 million, considering the second largest population is like 7 million.

OK, I'm gonna increase my population. I think that having 300,000 men spread out over such a huge place is different to having 300,000 men in a tiny place. Most of them wouldn't be abe to be used in an invasion would they?

Cool on the war thing,

And that Army from from the entire Russian Empire! Not just Russia.

dude Peter the Great built a strong army of 300,000 made up of his own subjects think what the number where duing the seven year war

at the Battle of Zorndorf in Prussia, a Prussian army of 35,000 men under Frederick fought to a standstill with a Russian army of 43,000

dude Peter the Great built a strong army of 300,000 made up of his own subjects think what the number where duing the seven year war

But that was taking every man he could find, not a professional force

OK, I'm gonna increase my population. I think that having 300,000 men spread out over such a huge place is different to having 300,000 men in a tiny place. Most of them wouldn't be abe to be used in an invasion would they?

Yes, but at that point, Russia was alot smaller than it is on your map. I'm going to raise my population to 15 million.

But that was taking every man he could find, not a professional force
looking at the seven year war now they had more troops then the Prussian (got their ass kick due to better training and commanders :P)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Years_War

Should I change the map, Imperial?

And let's remember evrybody that he's not RPing Russia, he's RPing a fictional nation.

it still Russian European part so i'am happy

We know he's not RPing Russia, but his fictional nation is still too big, at least compared to the others.

Yeah, it'll be boring if youve got such a huge advantage. Could you reduce it?

look at post 64 it how many they had at the time

For weapons we will be using Flintlock smoothbore muskets for gun infantry. sabres and lances for melee calvalry. 6, 12, 24, 32, and 74 pound cannons for artillery and ships Also mortars. For melee infantry there will be pikes and halbrediers. I don't know what to use for Gun calvalry.


Also impierial isa, I don't think that's correct, and you're not Rping Russia, but a fictional nation.

Cavalry would have carried pistols and carbines.

Plus for guns, I think anything over a 12 pounder was only used as siege artillery, not for field battles, due to the awkwardness of loading them.
And halbadiers and pikes are obsolete by this time

Gun cavalry?

Gun cavalry?

I assume he means Dragoons

Alversia, I've posted my invasion of Denmark. I've referred to it as the Alveran Peninsula is that OK?

Cavalry would have carried pistols and carbines.

Plus for guns, I think anything over a 12 pounder was only used as siege artillery, not for field battles, due to the awkwardness of loading them.
And halbadiers and pikes are obsolete by this time



They were used to counter melee cavalry, which was used to rush artillery. I know about the artillery, but they were also used on ships and in the forts themselves. are you sure about the carbines? Wouldn't they have been single shot at this point?

And yes, there was gun Cavalry, but it wasn't particularly good.

They had bayonets which would have reduced the kneed for halberdiers a bit.

This is the Flintlock era, not matchlock, a carbine was just like a musket. And Artillery of the day would have relied on their own weapons to repel a cavalry attack.

And the melee cavalry and gun cavalry kind of become the same thing in this era, Hussars or Dragoons, I believe.

They were used to counter melee cavalry, which was used to rush artillery. I know about the artillery, but they were also used on ships and in the forts themselves. are you sure about the carbines? Wouldn't they have been single shot at this point?

And yes, there was gun Cavalry, but it wasn't particularly good.

Horse Artillery is what you mean

Can i join.

Nation Name: The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia
Leader: Prince Vio Audicio III(Sicily) and King Fernando IV (Sardinia)
Religion: Roman Catholic
Pupulation: Lets say a Million
Region: Sicily and Sardinia and several small islands and Tunisia
Military: Majorly into navy, 150 ships (20 Man o war) Small but well trained army. (aroud 12 500 on each major island) around 10% use rifles the rest is a mixture of pikes and crossbows. 100 cannon dug into fortresses on each isle.
Colour: Orange
Flag: Malta's Flag
Other: Strong economy, mostly into trade. Attempting to dominated Medit. Sea. Accepts alliances.

Nation Name: The Empire of Wirgoczyia
Leader: Emperor Lubomierz
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Pupulation: 17,612,548
Region: Poland, Romania, Ukraine
Military: Primarily Infantry, but Substantial Amounts of Cavalry, Particularly Lancers. Approx. 300,000 Infantry, 140,000 Cavalry, Large Reserves of Artillery, Navy Virtually Nonexistent
Colour: Surprise Me.
Flag: That of the former Kingdom of Poland

Does anyone want to declare war on me I'm open to declarations of war here people!!

i'd lose i i am accepted

You're both accepted. Wirgoczyia, you're quite big, but that can be countered by Imperial behind you.

My friends, I think we have a solution to the size of Imperials forces, what do you think?

Does anyone want to declare war on me I'm open to declarations of war here people!!

You can join my war if you wish :D
On my side, of course

Yay i am a country.....

You're both accepted. Wirgoczyia, you're quite big, but that can be countered by Imperial behind you.

My friends, I think we have a solution to the size of Imperials forces, what do you think?

176.4 million RL number of poeple they had to 17,612,548 yes good match

You're both accepted. Wirgoczyia, you're quite big, but that can be countered by Imperial behind you.

My friends, I think we have a solution to the size of Imperials forces, what do you think?

What exactly is Imperial's pop?

The entire Russian Empire had 45,000,000 in 1816, and, as I understand, this is the 18th century.

dang i'm small. well with tunisia i would probably be 2 million.

dang i'm small. well with tunisia i would probably be 2 million.

Maybe you could try having all of North Africa, and be the Muslims.

no how about all of N. Africa and have it fall to christians

What exactly is Imperial's pop?

The entire Russian Empire had 45,000,000 in 1816, and, as I understand, this is the 18th century.

176.4 million the third largest population of the world at the time, after Qing China and British Raj

no how about all of N. Africa and have it fall to christians

Oh, It's no fun if everybody is the same religion.

true i guess i could be the muslims but i am afraid i'd be picked on.

176.4 million the third largest population of the world at the time, after Qing China and British Raj

Can you give me a link to the source that says that?

true i guess i could be the muslims but i am afraid i'd be picked on.

No way! We're to busy trying to kill each other to worry about you!

sweet so i would like all of N. africa and to be the Muslims.

Can you give me a link to the source that says that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

Revised(if possible there are calls for a muslim nation.)

Nation Name: The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia
Leader: Prince Vio Audicio III(Sicily) and King Fernando IV (Sardinia)
Religion: Islam
Pupulation: 11 512 000
Region: Sicily and Sardinia and N. Africa
Military: Majorly into navy, 300 ships (50 Man o war, 150 frigates) Small but well trained army. (aroud 12 500 on each major island, 150 000 in africa) around 10% use rifles the rest is a mixture of pikes and crossbows. 100 cannon dug into fortresses on each isle. many cannon on N. Africa
Colour: Orange
Flag: Cresent and a star set on a red banner.
Other: Strong economy, mostly into trade. Attempting to dominated Medit. Sea. Accepts alliances. Disposition is peaceful. Does not like calendrandia.

But that would have like half you're population be on the other side of the world, maybe cut your pop in half?

The only pop. number I see is 181,537,800, and that's for almost two hundred years after this RP is set.

Corbournne;14159134']The only pop. number I see is 181,537,800, and that's for almost two hundred years after this RP is set.

That's me, if you couldn't tell.

Russia had about 70 000 000 people during this time period. her army was aroud 350 000 but it had to cover all of russia (i.e. asia and eruope) so if you want to just be in europe than cut in about half.

you lot are the only lot worrying about All of Russia and are going on about it like i be doing any to be worrying about

whatever when you get to me i am in huge trouble anyway becuase you would have to cut your way clear across europe.

That's because no nation in the world (except China and maybe India) had 100,000,000 people in the 1700's. I advise you check out populstat.info, which gives the territory of present-day Russia 67,000,000 in 1900. The whole Empire had 45,000,000 at the end of the Napoleonic Wars, so it would be lower than that in the mid 1700's.

Oh well. Go me........

whatever when you get to me i am in huge trouble anyway becuase you would have to cut your way clear across europe.

what make you think we care to fight across just to get you in the first place,waste of time

That's because no nation in the world (except China and maybe India) had 100,000,000 people in the 1700's. I advise you check out populstat.info, which gives the territory of present-day Russia 67,000,000 in 1900. The whole Empire had 45,000,000 at the end of the Napoleonic Wars, so it would be lower than that in the mid 1700's.

in the end it don't matter as Every thing came down to what in the Military as how many you have in your nation as not going to be count for any of the wars that going to happen

Good point.

I'm already in a war so i'd be in trouble if you attacked. By the way what do you think my population should be. I should think it would be more than 11 million.

Man i have a long way to go to aid Alversia.

Man i have a long way to go to aid Alversia.

yes your navy dose have along way to go

And i have to fight past gibraltar and brittany and the channel before i even help him. still it's the thought that counts.

in the end it don't matter as Every thing came down to what in the Military as how many you have in your nation as not going to be count for any of the wars that going to happen

Doesn't matter? If I have 150,000,000 people, I can levee a million more troops much more easily than I could do that in a nation of 17,500,000. Another thing: It's alot easier to occupy a country with 40,000,000 rebellious citizens than one with 150,000,000.

And i have to fight past gibraltar and brittany and the channel before i even help him. still it's the thought that counts.

think how many nations i have to fight to get to you,then i sill have to build a navy :p

Of course it's the thought that counts :D

Plus a second theatre is always helpful

Doesn't matter? If I have 150,000,000 people, I can levee a million more troops much more easily than I could do that in a nation of 17,500,000. Another thing: It's alot easier to occupy a country with 40,000,000 rebellious citizens than one with 150,000,000.

hey go right ahead and keep changing how many troops you have as I'am Not going to, so get over it

He has a point Isa, your pop is far too high

Plus a second theatre is always helpful

now where have we heard that before

He has a point Isa, your pop is far too high

good for them seeing it never get used not like how many troops we have

an i only be using 331, 000 and leaving some at home and We are RPing fictional nations as it been keep in bring pointed out

So the war is

On one side:
The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia
The Duchy of Alvera

On the other side:
The Kingdom of Parilisa
Calendrandia

Theatres of War:
Gibraltar (The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia vs. Calendrandia)
Alveran Peninsula (The Kingdom of Parilisa,Calendrandia vs. The Duchy of Alvera)

Yup, and Alvera is hammering me on the beach!

yay to bad i am so far away. it may become unprofitable to keep up this war if i get bogged down in Gibraltar. poor alvera needs some help

Yup, and Alvera is hammering me on the beach!

lol, I'm something of a Napoleonic expert ^^

Yup, and Alvera is hammering me on the beach!

i'am amazed you did not get spotted by the other two nations you had to pass on the way thre

lol, I'm something of a Napoleonic expert ^^

Yay i'm on the right side. How many more nations will join the confalgration of this war.

Are we all supposed to go to war now? Or do we join in an existing one?

Are we all supposed to go to war now? Or do we join in an existing one?

or you can stay neutral and milk both sides :p

or you can stay neutral and milk both sides :p

Since your country is next to mine, how about I ally with you and help you out in a war.

Sweet we have anyother buddy maybe. if you really are goiing to ally welcome to our alliance.

What do you mean? Your an ally of what?

me and Alversia are fighting in this war together. i may be far away but i am trying to send him some help.

Since your country is next to mine, how about I ally with you and help you out in a war.

that I would like ^^

me and Alversia are fighting in this war together. i may be far away but i am trying to send him some help.

Oh well I am close and am going to join in then.

Ok would you like to help with Gibraltar? we could destroy it quite easily then.

Ok would you like to help with Gibraltar? we could destroy it quite easily then.

I'm bringing my country into the battle right now.

sweet

The First Alveran War (updated)

On one side:
The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia
The Duchy of Alvera
The Monarchy of Jufonce

On the other side:
The Kingdom of Parilisa
Calendrandia

Theatres of War:
Gibraltar (The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia, and The Monarchy of Jufonce vs. Calendrandia)
Alveran Peninsula (The Kingdom of Parilisa,Calendrandia vs. The Duchy of Alvera)

mm selling cannon balls to those who'll buy and make some money

Posted. I hope it makes sense. I tried to make it like Jufonce was there to aid Alversia and Sicily and Sardinia in the battle; but didn't know exactly what was going on.

well i'm not in Alversia right now. i'm attacking gibraltar which is right under spain and controlled by calendrandia.

I need more allies in the battle, as Calendrandia has plans to betray me if we win, and with their superior navy I don't stand much of a chance.

Oh I can attack it too, it is also right next to Jufonce.
(We are talking about the island under Spain and not the green one to the topleft, right?)

I need more allies in the battle, as Calendrandia has plans to betray me if we win, and with their superior navy I don't stand much of a chance.

I can throw in Xzeter.
Which is another country of mine.

I need more allies in the battle, as Calendrandia has plans to betray me if we win, and with their superior navy I don't stand much of a chance.

lol, then you're in trouble ^^

Oh I can attack it too, it is also right next to Jufonce.
(We are talking about the island under Spain and not the green one to the topleft, right?)

what island under spain

The dark red island. I'm looking at the map for all this..
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14153550&postcount=2
See what I am talking about?

Gibralter is right under Spain, at the entrance to the medditerranian sea, it's to small to be on the map. Also, you can't attack The Parilisans, you'd have to get past Gibralter, Brittany, The English channel, and my fleet on the other side of Alversia! Also, my lands are Dark Green. Also Parilisa you could have your people Plan to not hold up their end of the bargain.

The dark red island. I'm looking at the map for all this..
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14153550&postcount=2
See what I am talking about?

there is no island under Spain ,as Gibraltar here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar)

I didn't attack The Parilisans, I sent my troops to Alversia.

I didn't attack The Parilisans, I sent my troops to Alversia.

Same thing.

Oh I understand now...
I am confused on what to do now.

Jufonce is'nt next to Alvera at all. You're light green, not the dark green.

Jufonce is'nt next to Alvera at all. You're light green, not the dark green.

Oh. I was going by the light blue, thinking it was Alvera. My mistake, sorry all.

Here's what we will do, we will make the Jufonce ships Alverian. problem solved.

KK, ive made a post in the thread saying how we could explain it. its all fine now.

I've change my mind. I'm not participating.

they could be yours, but we thought they were j's?
u had a fleet there, after all.

Ascelonia-OK. But why?

they could be yours, but we thought they were j's?
u had a fleet there, after all.

Yes go with that.
So I just stay out of it now?

You can try and get a fleet up there, but Calendradia will batter you.

Okay.

This is confusing - I will arrive at Gibralter first right? By ship right?

Yes. Gibraltar is a tiny island so you'll have to go by sea.

did you read my link it is Not a island

did you read my link it is Not a island

I think there is a part of it that is an island and that is where my fort is.

good for them seeing it never get used not like how many troops we have

an i only be using 331, 000 and leaving some at home and We are RPing fictional nations as it been keep in bring pointed out

Yes, but we're playing fictional nation's in 1750 or whatever, not present-day. Not to mention the fact that everyone else's population is 10% or less of your's. 140,000,000+ people in the European part of Russia is excessive to be kind.

I don't know where you get this idea this idea that the army size is all that matters. No matter who you invade or who you get in trouble with, it will be impossible to retaliate because the good God knows the rest of the nations of Europe don't have enough manpower to subjugate 140,000,000 citizens. Hell, I don't think all the rest of our countries' populations add up to that.

Regardless, it's the admin's decision, I suppose.

And no part of Gibraltar is an island, as stated by Isa.

The population doesnt matter, its the military size that matters.

I think there is a part of it that is an island and that is where my fort is.

there is no island look at the map of it in the link

I've got it! We dug a canal to cut Gibralter off to protect it from attack!

Unless it was RPed by you, it never happened.

Could I have the rest of Germany, the Czech Republic, and Switzerland?

Could I have the rest of Germany, the Czech Republic, and Switzerland?

I have Switzerland.

Unless it was RPed by you, it never happened.

It could have happened ten years ago. I mean I had to take defensive measures, even if there was no war.

Hey, maybe we should include major cities on the map, it would be cool, and extremely helpful. There could be a map of each nation in detail+the world map.

Hey, maybe we should include major cities on the map, it would be cool, and extremely helpful. There could be a map of each nation in detail+the world map.

Good idea; though we should have to do it ourselves. I don't think we should make him [Parilisa] do all that.

I have Switzerland.

Come on, you Spain and Italy already. Switzerland is the home of the Alemanni tribe.

Come on, you Spain and Italy already. Switzerland is the home of the Alemanni tribe.

We can split it?

Does anyone want to declare war on me I'm open to declarations of war here people!!

How about you Join in our war on my side. You could expand greatly. you could take the rest of Switzerland, Northern Italy, And maybe sicily or corsica. Your navy and mine could combine to crush all opposition in the medditerranian sea!

We can split it?

Sure. I'll take north and you can take south.

Good idea; though we should have to do it ourselves. I don't think we should make him [Parilisa] do all that.

True, but I don't know how to make a map, could someone make one for me? Maybe in return they would get an alliance.

Sure. I'll take north and you can take south.

Okay.

True, but I don't know how to make a map, could someone make one for me? Maybe in return they would get an alliance.

Take a map of what your region is based off of and label it using Paint, simple.

Also, if asking the Czech Republic is too much, I'll settle for the rest of Germany. But I won't stop until my request of the German lands is fulfilled.

True, but I don't know how to make a map, could someone make one for me? Maybe in return they would get an alliance.

You can't offer people alliances just because they give you a map :eek:

I hate to be a pest, but could I also have Luxembourg? :rolleyes:

Wow. I don't get on for half a day and you get another 10 pages? Thats alot of talking.

Calendrandia, I am going for Brittany, (You did ask for a war)

It could have happened ten years ago. I mean I had to take defensive measures, even if there was no war.

You can't retcon stuff that happened before the RP started.

Wow. I don't get on for half a day and you get another 10 pages? Thats alot of talking.

Calendrandia, I am going for Brittany, (You did ask for a war)

cool! just set it up, and post the address! Are you also going to join the Baltic/mediterranean war?


Also I know, I was gone for an hour on the war thread, and Gibralter has been landed on! I guess it kind of helps that nearly everyone has been on.

I think we should move this to an offsite forum before it gets terminated.

I think we should move this to an offsite forum before it gets terminated.

I can't see how it would be terminated. We may be using a real map but all the nations, city names and languages are NS based.

I can't see how it would be terminated. We may be using a real map but all the nations, city names and languages are NS based.

I got somewhere we can back it up if it is deleted.

cool! just set it up, and post the address! Are you also going to join the Baltic/mediterranean war?


Also I know, I was gone for an hour on the war thread, and Gibralter has been landed on! I guess it kind of helps that nearly everyone has been on.

Oops, I just wrote it down in the Baltic invasion thread. I'll copy and paste it into another thread. I might join into the war, but I am going to focus on Brittany first, then I will come out with a few more little land grabs that will end up being pretty important later on possibly.

I am already getting confused on who atacked who. SO I might just stay out of it now that I think about it so I don't go to war with everybody by accident.

Here is the link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14159849#post14159849

Now I have to worry about my southern flank also! Dang, I was hoping to take that and such. Oh well.

Oops, I just wrote it down in the Baltic invasion thread. I'll copy and paste it into another thread. I might join into the war, but I am going to focus on Brittany first, then I will come out with a few more little land grabs that will end up being pretty important later on possibly.

I am already getting confused on who atacked who. SO I might just stay out of it now that I think about it so I don't go to war with everybody by accident.

Me too; I just stopped posting, I am going to wait until some other time to continue.

Or maybe sometime Calendrandia will make a thread.
(Hopefully)

This looks interesting. Has all of Europe been taken?

This looks interesting. Has all of Europe been taken?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14153550&postcount=2

The light yellow hasn't been taken (besides Switerzland.)

neither has dark blue, that guy quit.

I wish he would of quit sooner, I would of took that land.

I really think we should extend to the rest of the world after these two wars are done.

I'm pulling Jufonce out of the war.

Would it be alright if I made Jufonce start expanding lands while the war goes on?

In that case, I'll take Turkey and Greece since you say he pulled out.

Nation Name: Kingdom of Greal
Leader: King Alexander Hellen
Religion: Catholic
Population: 8 million (Turkey and Greece had about nine million people total in 1800)
Region: Greek, Turkish
Military: 100,000 Professional Soldiers, 20,000 Cavalry, about a thousand artillery in the army. Greal mostly relies on ships some times. (About 100 ships, 30 ships of the line)
Colour: Yellow
Flag: Dark Blue flag with a large white star in the middle
Other:

just so you know i have sent a small fleet to the three small territories bordering the Agean Sea.

yay war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just so you know i have sent a small fleet to the three small territories bordering the Agean Sea.

You do that, and my fleets will turn your small fleet into ashes.


In that case, I'll take Turkey and Greece since you say he pulled out.

Nation Name: Kingdom of Greal
Leader: King Alexander Hellen
Religion: Catholic
Population: 8 million (Turkey and Greece had about nine million people total in 1800)
Region: Greek, Turkish
Military: 100,000 Professional Soldiers, 20,000 Cavalry, about a thousand artillery in the army. Greal mostly relies on ships some times. (About 100 ships, 30 ships of the line)
Colour: Yellow
Flag: Dark Blue flag with a large white star in the middle
Other:

Sicily and Sardinia,

If you go after those two islands I will make Jufonce tear you into shreds.

Can i join.

Nation Name: The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia
Leader: Prince Vio Audicio III(Sicily) and King Fernando IV (Sardinia)
Religion: Roman Catholic
Pupulation: Lets say a Million
Region: Sicily and Sardinia and several small islands and Tunisia
Military: Majorly into navy, 150 ships (20 Man o war) Small but well trained army. (aroud 12 500 on each major island) around 10% use rifles the rest is a mixture of pikes and crossbows. 100 cannon dug into fortresses on each isle.
Colour: Orange
Flag: Malta's Flag
Other: Strong economy, mostly into trade. Attempting to dominated Medit. Sea. Accepts alliances.

Can I join in?

Nation Name: The Monarchy of Jufonce
Leader: King Chucky
Religion: Christianity
Pupulation: 17 million
Region: Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Switerzerland
Military: Mainly Infantry. Around 100,000 regular soldiers, with large backups of artilery. Aprrox 30,000 cavalry.
Colour: Light Green
Flag: http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/jufonce__1.jpg
Other: Controlled by the King and the King only. Will go to war over their food touching. (Exaggeration intended)

OK officially we've been staying neutral as we modernise our fleet. But we are worried by the fighting just across the water.
Wow- I missed a lot over the weekend didn't I!

OK officially we've been staying neutral as we modernise our fleet. But we are worried by the fighting just across the water.
Wow- I missed a lot over the weekend didn't I!

The Duchy of Alvera will give you free trade rights if you do not enter the war at all. That's a lot of money you stand to gain for no cost

think i would make money selling Coastal artillery

think i would make money selling Coastal artillery

Not unless you want to pay an absolute fortune to transport it across the continent. probably no point in the end.

Plus, considering your size and the money you would have in comparison to numbers, I don't think they would be of great quality.

Not unless you want to pay an absolute fortune to transport it across the continent. probably no point in the end.

Plus, considering your size and the money you would have in comparison to numbers, I don't think they would be of great quality.

did i say any thing about selling made guns ,one can sell blueprints you know

did i say any thing about selling made guns ,one can sell blueprints you know

Well, all guns are fundementally the same, so everyone is working from the same blueprint anyway

suck no new ways to make the better as it's on the 18 Century an you can't used rifled big guns

suck no new ways to make the better as it's on the 18 Century an you can't used rifled big guns

Nope, no rifled cannon in use until the 1830's

what about Rocket Artillery that been around for years

what about Rocket Artillery that been around for years

Yeah, but it was hopelessly inaccurate that no one (Apart from the British) ever bothered to use them in battle

Yeah, but it was hopelessly inaccurate that no one (Apart from the British) ever bothered to use them in battle

i think i just use them as signal rockets

Even then there were problems. Once the rocket launched, you had no idea where it was going to end up, either fifty feet in the air or five inches from your knees

Even then there were problems. Once the rocket launched, you had no idea where it was going to end up, either fifty feet in the air or five inches from your knees

yes so there be some fun when they are used :p

yes so there be some fun when they are used :p

True, there used to be a saying in the British Rocket Corps,
"The Rockets are very good at frightening the troops, so long as no one cares which troops are scared witless" ^^

Who approves the claims?

Just curious. if I am accepted, anyone want to do a RP?

Who approves the claims?

Just curious. if I am accepted, anyone want to do a RP?

Where on the map have you claimed?

I join the war alversia's in on their side!!!
HOORAY FOR DARKOMBYE!!!
By the way I quite new to this so you tell me what to do

I join the war alversia's in on their side!!!
HOORAY FOR DARKOMBYE!!!
By the way I quite new to this so you tell me what to do

New to Rping or new to Napoleonic warfare?

wrong jufonce these are my stats

Nation Name: The Allied States of Sicily and Sardinia
Leader: Prince Vio Audicio III(Sicily) and King Fernando IV (Sardinia)
Religion: Islam
Pupulation: 11 512 000
Region: Sicily and Sardinia and N. Africa
Military: Majorly into navy, 300 ships (50 Man o war, 150 frigates) Small but well trained army. (aroud 12 500 on each major island, 150 000 in africa) around 10% use rifles the rest is a mixture of pikes and crossbows. 100 cannon dug into fortresses on each isle. many cannon on N. Africa
Colour: Orange
Flag: Malta's flag
Other: Strong economy, mostly into trade. Attempting to dominated Medit. Sea. Accepts alliances. Disposition is peaceful

even with my war with Calendrandia i still have around 200 ships and 100 000 men.

Are you interested in an Alliance, Jufonce?

Small but well trained army

Then this can go out the window as well, 150,000 men is not a small army

Well true. but it is only aroound 1 % of my pop.

Greal you're accepted. Mass Prediction Im expanding the lands.

If somoone wants to create an off site forum id be happy to move it all there. I think we should add stuff to Nswiki about all of our battles as well, just make it a bit deeper.

I'm also expanding my lands, as I too am minute compared to everyone else!

Just a note to everyone- It is important to add any changes needed to the map here. If you conquer a piece of land but don't tell me then the map won't get changed.

I'll stay small and insignificant ^^ I like being neutral.

You're not too small, plus you have a fantastic strategical position.

Thanks, Parilisa.

No probs. The map's not great but it serves it's purpose pretty well.

Alemmania needs some allies.

I need allies to.

I need allies to.

No you don't, you're the aggressor! You're the 1700's equivelent of the French!

Lol...the French had allies!

Lol...the French had allies!

A few wee German states and Poland.

Besides, you might be my ally from now on.

I just offered everyone an alliance!

I just offered everyone an alliance!

But I offer total and free trade rights, which is a lot of money for absolutely no losses. All they have to do is stay out of the war, which is fast becoming unprofitable for both of us