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On a cheerier note, slave thread = win. I've never had as much fun treating people like animals at best.

Also, question. How are we handling expanding our influence over nonplayers? Just start a thread and have someone play the NPCity or what? Cadmeia really needs to just go ahead and put the weak island towns under her power.

or just have only real players existing as cities? the numbers are coming up and it might work?

Much more realistic now, Ralkovia. A "none" religion? That's going to net you some diplomatic points from your neighbours. Nobody likes a pagan, barbarian state. I'm assuming that everyone worships your king.

"The enforcers of the land, they are fanatics and protect the ruler with their lives. "

A poorly veiled excuse to remove morale.

"The different classes have one thing in common which is fanatic devotion to the Emperor."

Yet another thinly veiled excuse to get rid of morale. Even the soldiers in the army of the Chinese Empire would run when they're going to die, since even if the Emperor has the Mandate of Heaven they're not going to all kill themselves for him. Morale plays a major role in everything, and by getting rid of it you're giving yourself an unfair advantage.

or just have only real players existing as cities? the numbers are coming up and it might work?

In order to expand influence, then, as TWSP has stated would happen, we'd have to knock each other out of the game, so that's not actually really an option. Well, it is, but it'd be unfun for those who know they need to lose.

Pending TWSP's response, Thrashia, I may take you up on that. The island should have a few towns spread throughout, former local powers, that haven't really made a great comeback after their wars, but should still be able to put up a good fight.

In order to expand influence, then, as TWSP has stated would happen, we'd have to knock each other out of the game, so that's not actually really an option. Well, it is, but it'd be unfun for those who know they need to lose.

Pending TWSP's response, Thrashia, I may take you up on that. The island should have a few towns spread throughout, former local powers, that haven't really made a great comeback after their wars, but should still be able to put up a good fight.

fair enough

(They have the spartan mentality, just because my men have been taught since birth that death for the king is better than life doesn't mean that there aren't a few exceptions. Of course I won't have fanatical devotion(except in the hades guard) where all my soldiers go LULZ WE AIN'T RETREATING WE FIGHT TO THE DEATH. I just like to say my troops love my main guy. DaWoad knows that from the other thread we played.)

Pending TWSP's response, Thrashia, I may take you up on that. The island should have a few towns spread throughout, former local powers, that haven't really made a great comeback after their wars, but should still be able to put up a good fight.

Not a problem. Also, might I know the island(s) in question so I can do a little more extensive research?

@ Stoklomolvi: I made some comments on his factbook, don't worry.

Much more realistic now, Ralkovia. A "none" religion? That's going to net you some diplomatic points from your neighbours. Nobody likes a pagan, barbarian state. I'm assuming that everyone worships your king.

"The enforcers of the land, they are fanatics and protect the ruler with their lives. "

A poorly veiled excuse to remove morale.

"The different classes have one thing in common which is fanatic devotion to the Emperor."

Yet another thinly veiled excuse to get rid of morale. Even the soldiers in the army of the Chinese Empire would run when they're going to die, since even if the Emperor has the Mandate of Heaven they're not going to all kill themselves for him. Morale plays a major role in everything, and by getting rid of it you're giving yourself an unfair advantage.

You're ignoring me so this is for everyone else. he's not getting rid of morale he's just lowering the effect of SOME things on the morale of his people. In exchange he's accepting the fact that if the emperor dies he's gonna be in trouble and having the emperor rule everyone with an Iron fist leads to a certain amount of inflexibility tactically etc.

(They have the spartan mentality, just because my men have been taught since birth that death for the king is better than life doesn't mean that there aren't a few exceptions. Of course I won't have fanatical devotion(except in the hades guard) where all my soldiers go LULZ WE AIN'T RETREATING WE FIGHT TO THE DEATH. I just like to say my troops love my main guy. DaWoad knows that from the other thread we played.)

Ya man and to Stok, (ignoring me or not) just try to be a little lighter. Your coming down like the Hammer of god on everyone who violates even the tiniest of YOUR rules. Not TWSP's yours. Either take it up with him then do whatever you want or make suggestions . . .constructive . . .nicely worded . . .suggestions. Please?

Uhm, when did I ignore you, DaWoad? Besides, you're just making random assumptions now. He explicitly said that the people have "insane devotion" to their godking.

Don't worry DaWoad, Stok is a good guy. I'm sure he clearly understands. He just has a higher expectation of roleplay standards than most, which I highly respect that aspect of him for, and that comes out a bit when he gives criticism. And like I said before, I already told Ralkovia, in his factbook, to change the whole "devotion to the king" part. Problem solved. Case closed.

:p

After quite a bit of "bad experience" with those certain "undesirables," a-cough CA, it's hard to find a good on-site RP. This is one of those few, and I certainly would not want it tainted with rah rah unrealism. Everyone here, I am sure, will try his or her best, and that is all that matters. Sure, I can get rather tough seemingly, but it's not always that way.

Not a problem. Also, might I know the island(s) in question so I can do a little more extensive research?

Euboea is the island and my city is located where Chalcis is.

@ Stok: I appreciate it, personally, because being pretty much invisible to what appears to be most people, the things I say to try to help have a tendency to get ignored. And I welcome help, myself.

Don't worry DaWoad, Stok is a good guy. I'm sure he clearly understands. He just has a higher expectation of roleplay standards than most, which I highly respect that aspect of him for, and that comes out a bit when he gives criticism. And like I said before, I already told Ralkovia, in his factbook, to change the whole "devotion to the king" part. Problem solved. Case closed.

works for me thanks for the heads up Thrashia. Uh can you take a look at my replies. . . .just make sure they all work?

:p

After quite a bit of "bad experience" with those certain "undesirables," a-cough CA, it's hard to find a good on-site RP. This is one of those few, and I certainly would not want it tainted with rah rah unrealism. Everyone here, I am sure, will try his or her best, and that is all that matters. Sure, I can get rather tough seemingly, but it's not always that way.

lol fair enough. friends again? lmao . . .btw thinking that maybe TWSP should set upper limits on a standing army? so that we have everyone working on the same basis?

Technically speaking, we as Greek cities should really have no standing armies at all (or, perhaps, maybe 200 hoplites or something, like the Sacred Band). I only have one because everyone else does. Well, and I have those potniai women, but they're something special and not offensive.

It goes on a case by case basis, really. I mean, if the military is THE thing of my city, then it would have more citizens in the military than a pacifistic state that states that the military is a scourge of the gods or something. It's all dependent on the city, though no city should EVER have more than 30% in the military at any point in time unless enemy troops are walking through the city. I mean, if your city is under attack you can probably levy around 25% of your population as a militia since they aren't going to be working anyway, but any more than that would demolish your economy so hard that you're going to rely on water for your walls.

lol fair enough. friends again? lmao . . .btw thinking that maybe TWSP should set upper limits on a standing army? so that we have everyone working on the same basis?

*looks over his large persian horde and blinks* http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/Emots/sign0086.gif

Technically speaking, we as Greek cities should really have no standing armies at all (or, perhaps, maybe 200 hoplites or something, like the Sacred Band). I only have one because everyone else does. Well, and I have those potniai women, but they're something special and not offensive.

true but were all gonna want to be spartans and this is an rp . .. thus fun=war . . .diplomacy revolving around war, trade to support war, alliances to win wars so no standing army is probably not really doable.

*looks over his large persian horde and blinks* http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/Emots/sign0086.gif

upper limit being a percentage of population not a number . .. shoulda specified that and I'm an idiot

true but were all gonna want to be spartans and this is an rp . .. thus fun=war . . .diplomacy revolving around war, trade to support war, alliances to win wars so no standing army is probably not really doable.

Let's face it, we all want to be Alexander the Great. Well, not me, I'll settle of being Genghis Khan. :D

It goes on a case by case basis, really. I mean, if the military is THE thing of my city, then it would have more citizens in the military than a pacifistic state that states that the military is a scourge of the gods or something. It's all dependent on the city, though no city should EVER have more than 30% in the military at any point in time unless enemy troops are walking through the city. I mean, if your city is under attack you can probably levy around 25% of your population as a militia since they aren't going to be working anyway, but any more than that would demolish your economy so hard that you're going to rely on water for your walls.

agreed but I mean even just a simple:
10% millitary for highly militarized states and less trade goods(natural resources/w/e) also less war ships say another 5% population
5% normal state average resources 7% pop. warships
3% trading state/ island better resources/trading/w/e 10% warships

if under attack
25% levie=no effects
50% levie= 5% population death on top of war losses
75% levie= 10%
100%= 25% population death on top of war deaths

if under siege
10% levie=no effect
25% levie=5% population death on top of war losses
50% levie=10%
75% levie=20%
100% levie= 25%

Let's face it, we all want to be Alexander the Great. Well, not me, I'll settle of being Genghis Khan. :D

personally I always saw myself as more of a napoleon . . .on second thought Xenophon type lmao.

personally I always saw myself as more of a napoleon type lmao.

So you're short?

Napoleon type? So you go a-conquering, and then get pwnt by a huge army that has terrible stuff, and get sent to live on an island in the middle of nowhere? Alexander died due to disease or something, Genghis died knowing that his empire was strong. :p

As for your little chart, that's going to be a bit of a hassle to RP.

true but were all gonna want to be spartans and this is an rp . .. thus fun=war . . .diplomacy revolving around war, trade to support war, alliances to win wars so no standing army is probably not really doable.

Sparta kinda sucked in comparison to other cities, like Thebes and Athens, most of the time. >_>

Oh, but on that note and completely off-topic, you should all totally grab Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield if you haven't read it already.

And actually, no standing army would be very doable -- Greeks fought in the summer when the most people could be sent off to war.

So you're short?

lol 6 3"

Nobody likes a pagan, barbarian state.

Erm... everyone was pagan back then, Stok, minus the Hebrews. Claiming that all divinity lies in his king is what's gonna get him the raised eyebrows and disparaging comments from us Hellenic folks. And even the Persians are gonna have something to say about it, like "How can his God-king have all the power when our God-king obviously has it?"

I claim the island of Lemnos for my polis. I'll have a factbook up tomorrow, possibly even tonight.

Sparta kinda sucked in comparison to other cities, like Thebes and Athens, most of the time. >_>

Oh, but on that note and completely off-topic, you should all totally grab Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield if you haven't read it already.

And actually, no standing army would be very doable -- Greeks fought in the summer when the most people could be sent off to war.

read it 5 years ago lmao

Here's a cool thing for everyone to watch:

Image (http://fc59.deviantart.com/fs19/f/2007/268/2/e/Hoplite_Battle_by_Davader.swf)

speaking of which is my general ground rules ok?

Pagan, barbarian state. Sure, everyone was "pagan" in the sense of now, but back then the word "pagan" evolved with the Jews and Christians. The Greeks still don't like barbarians, though.

speaking of which is my general ground rules ok?

Eh?:confused:

True, though the Greeks kinda had a habit of quietly sneering at anyone who wasn't from their polis, whether they were a barbarian or another Greek. And in their sense of the word, all barbarian meant was someone who didn't speak Greek.

Sort of. Still, it served for a good casus belli.

Eh?:confused:

agreed but I mean even just a simple:
10% millitary for highly militarized states and less trade goods(natural resources/w/e) also less war ships say another 5% population
5% normal state average resources 7% pop. warships
3% trading state/ island better resources/trading/w/e 10% warships

if under attack
25% levie=no effects
50% levie= 5% population death on top of war losses
75% levie= 10%
100%= 25% population death on top of war deaths

if under siege
10% levie=no effect
25% levie=5% population death on top of war losses
50% levie=10%
75% levie=20%
100% levie= 25%

good night everyone

good night everyone

night bro

ugh...

Future-Rome I think The Maldorians already claimed that to be used as a pirate haven or something. Check like the 7th page or something.

Everyone else - whats with all the hostility. Honestly, we should just have TWSP solve it instead of agruing it. It would be easier if we were just patient.

So he did... damn it all. Alright, I'll take Imbros instead.

So he did... damn it all. Alright, I'll take Imbros instead.

Or you could join the dark side...I mean, the Samaten Empire. Bwhahahaha!

Okay then, let's see.

Samaten Empire, pòpulation: 1,2 Mil

Okay then, let's see.

Samaten Empire, pòpulation: 1,2 Mil

Danke, mi amigo.

Also, added you to the map.

ugh...

Future-Rome I think The Maldorians already claimed that to be used as a pirate haven or something. Check like the 7th page or something.

Everyone else - whats with all the hostility. Honestly, we should just have TWSP solve it instead of agruing it. It would be easier if we were just patient.

lol we worked it out. It was mostly just a spat between me and Stok and mostly my fault too. . . late night+ uber cofee amounts=bad news

agreed but I mean even just a simple:
10% millitary for highly militarized states and less trade goods(natural resources/w/e) also less war ships say another 5% population
5% normal state average resources 7% pop. warships
3% trading state/ island better resources/trading/w/e 10% warships

if under attack
25% levie=no effects
50% levie= 5% population death on top of war losses
75% levie= 10%
100%= 25% population death on top of war deaths

if under siege
10% levie=no effect
25% levie=5% population death on top of war losses
50% levie=10%
75% levie=20%
100% levie= 25%

anybody got a comment on this? TWSP do you want to institute some sort of general ground rule for millitary force numbers based on this scale? or another one?

what about Ralkovia's factbook TWSP?

Yay I'm finally in

TWSP, what is with all the cities suddenly popping up around me. Looks like I will have to conquer them. Especially the one to the South, its almost enroaching on my island!

TWSP, what is with all the cities suddenly popping up around me. Looks like I will have to conquer them. Especially the one to the South, its almost enroaching on my island!

Those are apparently some of mine. Whats the name of your island again Uiri?

Lesbos. Or Lesvos, depending on the transliteration from greek. One of the city's sphere of influence scrapes my island. Also, I think you have to conquer them.

(Well with a 1.2 million population I don't think that it will be to hard for him)

There are 13 of them. Combined they have a population of 1.5 million, easily.

There are 13 of them. Combined they have a population of 1.5 million, easily.

Right now, I've plans for Ionia; which is near Lesbos. I've got a good map that can explain it: Map of Ionia and Aidis (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/ionia2.gif)

Well, then we need to negotiate, for two reasons:

a) I'm part of ASTA
b)I had expansion onto Asia Minor plans.

I'm not going to be subjugated but I'm not going to fight you. If we could find some middle ground. Perhaps we could talk more ICly and in either a new thread or the already made diplomacy thread.

There are 13 of them. Combined they have a population of 1.5 million, easily.

he's been assigned 1.2

I know. I'm talking about the cities all over Asia Minor.

EDIT: Whoops. I thought that he was only the far right one and had to conquer all of those cities near me. Damnit. We still need to negotiate.

Well, then we need to negotiate, for two reasons:

a) I'm part of ASTA
b)I had expansion onto Asia Minor plans.

I'm not going to be subjugated but I'm not going to fight you. If we could find some middle ground. Perhaps we could talk more ICly and in either a new thread or the already made diplomacy thread.

I've not yet started anything so no worries. And you must remember that right now its only one Satrap governor who has designs on Ionia, not the entire Samaten Empire. What Gaspar is doing could be considered treasonous to King Cyrus, so he has to walk a fine line for now. So once something does start, then we can talk or, if things move further north closer to Lesbos, then we can negotiate.

a list of diplomatic ties and trading agreements is here. Also if you are interested in forming diplomatic ties (not trade) with others this is the thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14023398#post14023398

Well, then we need to negotiate, for two reasons:

a) I'm part of ASTA
b)I had expansion onto Asia Minor plans.

I'm not going to be subjugated but I'm not going to fight you. If we could find some middle ground. Perhaps we could talk more ICly and in either a new thread or the already made diplomacy thread.
is there a thread for ASTA if so where?

Its titled Aegean Sea Trade Alliance and is probably on the first or second page of II.

Thrashia - well, any movement near me will open negotiations and I'll go straight to the King. As long as you give me some space on Asia Minor, we can work out an exact border.

Is it too late for me to join?

Its titled Aegean Sea Trade Alliance and is probably on the first or second page of II.

Thrashia - well, any movement near me will open negotiations and I'll go straight to the King. As long as you give me some space on Asia Minor, we can work out an exact border.

thanks :D

Is it too late for me to join?

na we haven't really even started yet. make a factbook, find a location and wait for TWSP to accept lol

Note, the Thermaic Gulf is already claimed by Miamoria and Ralakon has claimed something or other.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14023546#post14023546

Factbook I already made

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7142/suggestionex5.png

My proposed claim area again.

You mean the red dot?

will there be colonies allowed?

Yes TWSP The red dot..if thats not okay i can always move elsewhere..or leave my placement entirely up to you since your thew GM

Mein factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14024307#post14024307). ;)

To reiterate, I claim the island of Imbros, which is the island directly to the east of Lemnos.

I wouldn't mind something nice on the southern coast of Turkey, if possible.

If not, is it possible to play an 'Asian'-type nation on Greek soil? I was thinking of doing a little write-up about some Egyptian-themed castaways who ended up heading north for some reason or other.

I wouldn't mind something nice on the southern coast of Turkey, if possible.

If not, is it possible to play an 'Asian'-type nation on Greek soil? I was thinking of doing a little write-up about some Egyptian-themed castaways who ended up heading north for some reason or other.

Or if you like you could RP as one of my Empire's Satraps (such as the one in control of egypt at present). That would give you even more resources and men at your disposal than most of the other Kings of the Greek City-States.

Or if you like you could RP as one of my Empire's Satraps (such as the one in control of egypt at present). That would give you even more resources and men at your disposal than most of the other Kings of the Greek City-States.

That miiiiight work. I'll have to twist the history/mythology a bit, of course. Something like the Samaten(?) king is actually the embodiment of Ra, making it perfectly natural for the Pharaoh to be deferential to him...
Plus, it gives me an excuse to go on building pyramids :p
(Just to be clear, before I get crucified, that was a joke, son, a joke.)

Looking into it a bit, the Egypt of this period had revolted against the Persians. I realize, of course, that this isn't a historically accurate scenario we're in, but perhaps it would be better to leave Egypt as an 'ally' or start things off with a rebellion, given what seems like a rather strong burst of independent spirit on the part of the Egyptians of the period.
I'm not sure if I'd qualify for another 'empire' state, though. If I start off as a rebellion, however, perhaps just a few cities in Lower Egypt would be appropriate, a nice base to drive the dastardly invaders from Holy Egypt ;)

I took the liberty of doing a little map to show what I was thinking. Proposed Egyptian rebellion in yellow.

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3734/me400bcpj2.th.png (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=me400bcpj2.png)http://img353.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Basically the major urban areas of lower-central Egypt, including Giza, Heliopolis, Saqqara and Memphis.

Bound to be crushed though, you realize that right? ;)

Weeee-eeeelll, perhaps.
But, to be fair, the Egyptians were quite successful against the Achaemenids, driving them out and establishing an independent state until 343.

Besides, I'm sure some of my Greek buddies'll help me out :P

id just like to know if im approved or not..lol

Sorry about that, link to your factbook again?

factbook 400bc (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14023546#post14023546)

Well, I gave you a population, that equals approval.

I just read that part like 30 seconds after I posted the link for my factbook lol

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566544

WIP factbook, as the disclaimer says.

Why won't people listen to me?

There is no Egypt on the game map, and I don't plan to expand it until we fill what we already have.

Sorry, I thought when Thrasia offered me government of the satrap that included a chance for rebellion.
Nevermind, then.

Sorry, I thought when Thrasia offered me government of the satrap that included a chance for rebellion.
Nevermind, then.

You could rebel AS a satrap governor, not as an Egyptian, and that would work. So long as TWSP is cool with it.

What Thrashia said.

So, Aperture Science, then you can now be a satrap governor of any province you want. If you check my factbook you can see it. If Egypt, or Ephyt as its called as a Satrap, then you're welcome to it. I'll give you all the details you need to make a factbook on it, etc.

So i take it all general diplomacy goes in one thread...thats going to make things a bit confusing isn't it..?

Nah, if you know who you're RPing with. I have to say, though, II has gotten rather slow lately for MT/PT.

Well Im looking forward to this ancient style rp. No tanks or bullets and technology is a relatively even playing field.

But see if you're like me, I basically made a coming onto the world stage post so Im going to be rping with everyone...hopefully...so that's going to be quite a few different diplomatic talks to keep up with lol

can i have one of the Aegean islands, please? Name depends on the island you pick. Factbook will be coming soon. Thanks!

Well Im looking forward to this ancient style rp. No tanks or bullets and technology is a relatively even playing field.

But see if you're like me, I basically made a coming onto the world stage post so Im going to be rping with everyone...hopefully...so that's going to be quite a few different diplomatic talks to keep up with lol

Start a new thread for that maybe

can i have one of the Aegean islands, please? Name depends on the island you pick. Factbook will be coming soon. Thanks!

Here (http://people.hsc.edu/drjclassics/syllabi/greekreligion/images/map.gif) is a decent map with the islands labeled. It's what I used to pick my location.

Could I get a response in the ASTA thread?

hrmm I think I will try and side with others...I dont want to be tied down to a bloc alliance maybe one or two strong allies and then the rest just economic deals and such..

I could be your ally, since I'm alone. Completely alone.

Could work...and since the Aegean alliance seems to be geared towards being against the asian empire, I for one am not going to pass up on the rich trade opportunities while the Aegean group limits their possibilities

Someone else is also lonely (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apyB93-1FHk)

ha..ha..I am looking forawrd to this rp

(well I plan on staying far away from the rest of the affairs of your war machine, perhaps explore the islands in the aegan and take a few of those over.)

I don't have conquest dreams..not at the time being...I do need to be placed on the map though lol

I'm more concerned with navigating the political tensions between ASTA and the Samaten... cuz face it, they're both great trade markets!

Im going to attempt to be like a US in early ww2. Ill sell valuable war matierals to both sides should hostilities break out.

Well if you get into conflict with one ASTA city-state then all of them are bound by the charter to stop trading with you and block your vessels from passing through their waters.

The Samaten Im unsure of how the empire operates.

Im still going to attempt to avoid getting into a power bloc type alliance.

Being that i am in eastern macadonia I am geographically closer to the Samaten's than others

Try being several miles off the Ionian coast. ;)

You're close to me then as well im directly north of you..the red dot...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7142/suggestionex5.png

Gat - ASTA is purely trade. Hell, I'm probably going to get close to the Samatens while Belshcaft repels them.

if you read the charter if one member state goes to war with a non member then all non members have to cease trade with the non member state.

So if Bel went to war with the Samatens then you would be bound by the ASTA to cease trade with the Samatens.

3.2- In the case of conflict between an ASTA member and a non ASTA member city, all ASTA members are required to immediately seize trading with them, and sanctions are – both on trade and travel – are imposed automatically


Thus the ASTA can severly limit your trade opportunities, and why im staying out of it.

I don't want to repel them. The problem I'm facing is that there moving into Western Asia Minor, wich is what I'm planning on doing too. As Uiri said ASTA is purely economic, with the only war thing in it being that your not meant to trade with someone an ASTA member is at war with, and to be honest I expect half the members to do that. It's main purpose is to allow free trade and movement of citizens.

I didn't say you had to go to war when a non member state and memeber state go to war. I already knew it was an economic alliance.

By God, Gat you are right. Belschaft, I too have plans for Asia Minor. My strategy appears to be the opposite of yours. Honestly, ICly my country has no control over who it trades with. The merchants go where they go and they usually stay in the Aegean. Ergo, ASTA just gives my merchants a boost.

EDIT: And I am the Light Blue one. I think Ralkovia is not on the map.

Well done on the spot Gat, the charter has been edited to make it so a vote is required. I only wrote that bit to act as an incentive for other cities not to attack ASTA members, and it still works fine this way.

Yea.

Still don't expect me to be able to enforce any embargoes. My merchants would be notorious for that and would find some way or other to launder the products or only sell in the area.

I'd expected that kind of thing to happen - it does in the real world. It'll just make the RP more interesting if we squable over trade.

yea

Gat, did you make a new thread for your diplomatic talks or are we still doing the talks in the general diplomacy thread?

We can continue them in the regular diplomacy..or I can make a thread if you want.

On second thought, I'll go with my original idea. A city on the southern Turkish coast or around the location of Thebes in Greece.

EDIT:
Also, Thrasia, how long ago was Egypt invaded?

hopefully this rp stays active as well.

There's no reason it shouldn't stay healthy. I'm inactive because IC, I have no reason to send people to get you guys to buy my stuff. If you need it, you should come to Cadmeia and buy it. And for that matter, we don't yet feel the need to ally ourselves with cities whose leaders and sometimes cultures we don't even know much about.

I have no ideas for an actual thread yet, myself, either. So, I'm sticking around and waiting for an in on something (like the slave buying a few days ago).

just put my city state where the modern city of Kavala is located...make it simple...

There's no reason it shouldn't stay healthy. I'm inactive because IC, I have no reason to send people to get you guys to buy my stuff. If you need it, you should come to Cadmeia and buy it. And for that matter, we don't yet feel the need to ally ourselves with cities whose leaders and sometimes cultures we don't even know much about.

I have no ideas for an actual thread yet, myself, either. So, I'm sticking around and waiting for an in on something (like the slave buying a few days ago).

well i dispatched envoys all around the world in order to open relations, trade, other agreements, start forming friendships, or making enemies. I could very well be interested in buying slaves.

The Samaten are the bigger slave sellers right now, having conquered some places. Cadmeia is only good for used slaves who can no longer be afforded by their owners.

As far as envoys go, if you want someone in Cadmeia doing something, go for it and I'll reply once I see it. Cadmeia has good, large shipyards and produces some of the best ships in the region, is probably the central producer of purple dyes (it is what they are known widely for, even ahead of ships), and has fine metalworkers.

On second thought, I'll go with my original idea. A city on the southern Turkish coast or around the location of Thebes in Greece.

EDIT:
Also, Thrasia, how long ago was Egypt invaded?

[Egypt] was conquered as many as 70+ years before. Long enough for one or two generations to have lived under Samaten rule.

[Egypt] was conquered as many as 70+ years before. Long enough for one or two generations to have lived under Samaten rule.

Righty-o.
Would you prefer I left details vague, go with the historical approach, or do something different? I just need the details for the history.

Righty-o.
Would you prefer I left details vague, go with the historical approach, or do something different? I just need the details for the history.

Wait, wait, wait....so are you going to rp as one of my satrap governors or are you still thinking about that rebellion thing?

Wait, wait, wait....so are you going to rp as one of my satrap governors or are you still thinking about that rebellion thing?

I'm thinking a group of Egyptian's fled when the Samaten's came in, set themselves up a little colony in Turkey or on Greece. As I said, going with my original idea.

Here (http://people.hsc.edu/drjclassics/syllabi/greekreligion/images/map.gif) is a decent map with the islands labeled. It's what I used to pick my location.

Thanks for the map. I think i'll take Delos, and name it by that, as well. I assume some of the surrounding islands come under my control as well?

I'll start my factbook now. Prepare for an Aegean empire, my freinds! bow down to me! :hail::hail::hail:

Is it too late to sign up?

Is it too late to sign up?

Nope.

I'll start my factbook now. Prepare for an Aegean empire, my freinds! bow down to me! :hail::hail::hail:

Make me

Thanks for the map. I think i'll take Delos, and name it by that, as well. I assume some of the surrounding islands come under my control as well?

I'll start my factbook now. Prepare for an Aegean empire, my freinds! bow down to me! :hail::hail::hail:

:eek: You can't be on the Aegean if you aren't part of the Aegean Sea Trading Alliance. Unless you join ASTA you aren't on the Aegean.

by the way . . .can aynone who's made trading deals (or broken them) that are not (or still are) posted in the OP of diplomatic ties please infor me . . .either by tg or just post here or w/e ty

Is ASTA on the OP? Because were basicly one great big trade deal.

Um my city-state is on the Aegean and will not be joining the ASTA....

Good for you. Ignore this unique trading opertunity, and a chance to become rich beyond my wildest dreams.

Well, it is good if someone who isn't you doesn't surpass your wildest dreams of riches.

Of course, I still will. =P ASTA4eva and all that.

Is ASTA on the OP? Because were basicly one great big trade deal.

I've got it down as a trading alliance (for now) so there are trades, trading alliances, consulates (embassies), and full alliances (millitary plus free trade).

Um my city-state is on the Aegean and will not be joining the ASTA....

:eek: but..but I thought we reached a trade deal.

@everyone: Olive trees probably cover a third of my island. Greece uses 35 L of olive oil per capita and thats for cooking only. People in Ancient Greece used it medicinally and as good luck and athletes would rub it all over themselvs before competing so I'm thinking in the 50 L/capita range for y'all greek city-states. Powerful stuff.

So, Thrasia, any info on the invasion of Egypt? Or do I get a free hand?

If so, I'll probably go with a roughly historical approach. The Samaten's bribe/ally/threaten the Arab tribes for passage and water, the Egyptians hire a bunch of Greek mercs, who promptly switch sides when the Persians arrive, and then get their asses kicked, followed by a long siege of Memphis, followed by a shortlived rebellion which is, in turn, followed by the Pharaoh and a number of nobles being executed. The only change would be a little Egyptian diaspora shortly before the fall of Memphis.

I'll still be able to trade with ASTA city-states, as well as the Samaten empire (hopefully) just because I dont enter into a major trade agreement doesn't mean I can't become wealthy.

and we did reach a trade deal, that doesn't however by default make me a member of the larger trade agreement..

So, Thrasia, any info on the invasion of Egypt? Or do I get a free hand?

If so, I'll probably go with a roughly historical approach. The Samaten's bribe/ally/threaten the Arab tribes for passage and water, the Egyptians hire a bunch of Greek mercs, who promptly switch sides when the Persians arrive, and then get their asses kicked, followed by a long siege of Memphis, followed by a shortlived rebellion which is, in turn, followed by the Pharaoh and a number of nobles being executed. The only change would be a little Egyptian diaspora shortly before the fall of Memphis.

Your idea sounds better than any I could come up with off the top of my head. As to what island, I'd tell you to pick Naxos.

Righty-o.
Naxos does look good. Looks like my sphere of influence'll extend over some other islands too. Huzzah :P

Also I would like everyone to read the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_ancient_Greece

That was an interesting read, thanks for linking.

I think TWSP missed it earlier, so I'm re-linking my updated factbook. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14024420#post14024420)

In a long, proud tradition of taking others' ideas, I have updated my factbook with an economy section: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566212

Some of the social structure was edited, too.

One thing Santheres...why are you able to make purple dyes? To my knowledge the only source was from Tyre (which is mine at the moment)...Tyrian Purple, and all that jazz...

EDIT: Biggest thing I see you having a monopoly on is marble. Very nice stuff which I may be buying from you all too soon. :D

Because Chalcis apparently exported purple, which I took to mean dye as I have no friggin' clue what else it could have been, seeing as wiki linked to the color, not anything else.

Edit: I will note that I'm hoping to attack my island-neighbor and take over the good agricultural district on the island (taking a page from history there), and some marble. Just really need to know if that's okay with TWSP, since he's not responded about it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14032141

Derpty doo, a factbook for you.

Thrasia might want to check the history section to make sure I didn't go overboard with anything in regards to the Persian invasion.

Of course I'm okay with it, invade away!

I'll still be able to trade with ASTA city-states, as well as the Samaten empire (hopefully) just because I dont enter into a major trade agreement doesn't mean I can't become wealthy.

and we did reach a trade deal, that doesn't however by default make me a member of the larger trade agreement..

Non-ASTA ships are charged a fee for docking in port depending on how much cargo they have.

Also I would like everyone to read the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_ancient_Greece

read it earlier.

That's fine, I can always compensate by raising the tax to dock in my ports as well to make up for the loss...

...But it is being charged to the actual operators of the ship, not your government or such.

i read that also during my browsing last night, I have a few questions

1. How does population increase..if it does so at all
2. If population does increase by what percentage?
3. During wartime is the % decreased, and by how much?..The men and in my case some of the women would be off fighting so they wouldn't be reproducing..

4. How does one increase their sphere of influence if their are no NPC's to conquer, as I dont think we can establish new cities. Or can we and then if so how would that influence your growth % etc. I know it says sphere's will grow over time just looking for a bit more clarity is all.


IMO it should be the same % of pop growth across the board at least at the start since all of us except Thrashia have a single city state.

I know in reality the Samaten empire pop would rise a lot more than a normal city state, I suppose you could raise the Samaten pop % increase.

oh well nvm that then. Unless I decide to have the government compensate the merchants in order to keep them happy.

Um.. I want to join if it's not too late but I'm having trouble viewing the map because it won't show in my browser. Perhaps TWSP can assign me a fairly large island where I can place my nation?

I have no answer to those questions, at least for the moment.

At least you're honest. lol I was just wondering how those aspects would work.

I too have problems with the map Link now for some reason.

i read that also during my browsing last night, I have a few questions

1. How does population increase..if it does so at all
2. If population does increase by what percentage?
3. During wartime is the % decreased, and by how much?..The men and in my case some of the women would be off fighting so they wouldn't be reproducing..

4. How does one increase their sphere of influence if their are no NPC's to conquer, as I dont think we can establish new cities. Or can we and then if so how would that influence your growth % etc. I know it says sphere's will grow over time just looking for a bit more clarity is all.


IMO it should be the same % of pop growth across the board at least at the start since all of us except Thrashia have a single city state.

I know in reality the Samaten empire pop would rise a lot more than a normal city state, I suppose you could raise the Samaten pop % increase.

These are, of course, merely suggestions, but I would suggest a per-RL week (perhaps?) increase per state, based on availability of food, space, climate, etc. etc. A 'bonus' can be applied to account for disasters, wars, the taking of slaves and all that kind of thing.
Or, to make things simple, a flat rate per region. EX: Northern Turkey, Southern Turkey, the Cyclades, Crete, Macedonia, Thrace, etc.

In terms of expansion, are we assuming the world is uninhabited outside of our spheres of influence? There have to be towns or something that can be conquered. I don't see the problem as long as somebody is RPing the other side.

Indeed, I was just given the go-ahead to invade the big city sharing my island, and note that there are no player cities on said island. Therefore, we can assume that we can march out to war and conquer something whenever we want.

Though reason must be taken into consideration. You're probably not going to take over a city completely unless you have the resources and manpower (and are close enough to it) that you can besiege them all year, rather than merely in the summer months when fighting normally takes place, as the men need to present the rest of the year, typically. You're not going to win a siege in three months; they'll have more food than that and we have no real siege weapons -- for the Greeks, the phalanx cannot assault a wall but is our main strength. The barbarians can at least use ladders and have no tight formations they must adhere to. The Samaten will have siege warfare and will have to solidify its hold on Asia Minor sooner or later.

You can at least fight over regions and smaller towns and take those over.

And on that note, Thrashia, are you up for RPing the analog of Eretria?

Indeed, and distance is even more of a problem. From what I can gather, the Persian invasion of Egypt took YEARS to arrange, and involved huge logistical effort in order to assemble enough water for the army to cross the desert.

But I think we have some siege engines by now. I think I read somewhere that the Greeks had battering rams by like, 450bc or something, and at least basic stone-throwing artillery by 400bc. And I'm very sure the Assyrians had been using siege towers for a long time...

They had been, yeah, but the Greeks weren't big on siege engines. I mean, they're a huge engineering effort for the time and require a lot of maintenance, and they slow down your army. We definitely don't have towers and likely wouldn't have a form of catapult or ballista. We can definitely manage a battering ram, but those are iffy to begin with on good gates, especially if said gates are reinforced. They're easy to combat and lead to a lot of deaths on the side of the attacker, which is fine if you've a large population. Our populations are all small, though, and these men are needed back at home.

Not that it's impossible, just that siege engines aren't in the forefront of Greek military strategy.

Edit: By "likely wouldn't have a form of catapult or ballista," I mean one that is capable of being practical in usage against walls or gates. They were pretty small in this era, as well as expensive and such, I believe. Nice to have and improve your odds, sure, but I don't think they were overly important.

Well, it makes sense, I suppose. The Greeks rarely had to go very far to fight whoever they were fighting, so supply lines would usually be short. Much easier and cheaper to supply a siege than the break down the walls.

The Egyptians seem to have preferred ladder assaults and hacking the gates down with axes, very straightforward approach :P
Apparently they DID develop a few interesting things though. Mobile structures to protect the guys working the gates, later evolving into covered battering rams. It seems they also built a sort of mobile archery tower...thing. Apparently its unclear from the picture in question whether or not it would be used for actually scaling walls, however.
Apparently they didn't get quite as into it as the Assyrians, though.

Anyway, updated the factbook a bit for some new information on the local climate and the Egyptian economy.

Hey TWSP, get a chance to look at my factbook yet?

Onagers and ballistae were Roman, correct?

Onagers and ballistae were Roman, correct?

Onagers were, I know. I think the ballista was a Greek invention. Wikipedia says they were invented around 400BC (along with catapults), but weren't very powerful, as was mentioned earlier.

So, basically, if you want to get past a wall you've either gotta go over it or under it :P

Scorpions and ballistae...hmm.

Everyone, let's get over them using ancient Chinese tactics! (Obligatory fob accent required) Search "Sino-Dutch War" on YouTube and look to see how the Chinese scaled the walls. Ingenious.

Take 500 men, have 495 of them charge, then the last five walk into the city? :p

Psh, nah. You have to watch the clip to see their ingeniousness-ness.

I'll watch it after I finish extending the Pharaoh's title by a few more sentences. I have to sort out all these crazy Egyptian gods. Gotta figure out if I should attribute my military successes to Montu, Sekhmet, Reshep, Satis, or Mehnet, all of whom are apparently gods of war :P

Why not Seth? He was a patron god.

Why not Seth? He was a patron god.

By this period he'd become a rather unpopular god. He was also god of foreigners (and you can imagine how the Egyptians feel about foreigners at this point), and the legend of Isis and Osiris (where Set kills Osiris and chops him up) became popular in this period.
Not the sort of guy you'd want associated with your ruler. By this point Set was more associated with chaos and evil than nobility and honor.

Oh yeah, the thing where Osiris becomes god of the dead. It is true that Seth was more chaotic than anything...imagine Ptah as being your patron war god. Man, industry means power!

Go with the coolest sounding name. You can't go wrong with a cool name.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566797&highlight=delos
My Factbook, still under construction, though.

Anyways, once i get accepted i will join that Aegean Sea alliance or something. Maybe invade an island to the north, too.

I have no answer to those questions, at least for the moment.

Fortunately, the map has revealed itself to me.. I'd like a spot on the island of Samos please.. :D One more thing, am I gonna wait for you to approve my request before I work on my factbook or is it the other way around?

Go ahead and make a factbook.

Can I get approval/population too, please?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566781

Sorry if you were already looking at it, but quite honestly I sometimes feel a bit invisible on NS. For whatever reason, I'm apparently easy to ignore. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't going to wait another week for approval.

Nah, it's not you, I'm just a bit tired.

Perfectly understandable. I just get nervous sometimes :P

Thanks! I'll post it when im done.. :D

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14037015#post14037015

For all you Greeks out there, a little party is being arranged. :D

o bring it

TWSP, can you please approve/disapprove my factbook so I can get in on these threads, or tweak it again and then get in on them? Don't mean to sound whiny, but I believe this is the fourth time I've tried to bring my update to your attention.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566797&highlight=delos
My Factbook, still under construction, though.

Anyways, once i get accepted i will join that Aegean Sea alliance or something. Maybe invade an island to the north, too.

I also want to get this factbook approved so i can get in this game... I probably sound impatient but COME ON!!! please! :p But really, I'd like to start please.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14039069#post14039069

Diplomacy didn't get noticed, so I'll just go invade somebody.
Grael might want to take notice, 'cause this will affect him in the future.

Whoa, there! I was going to accept that invitation but after the second thread not so much.

There's six months until that invasion starts. And even so, those islands have a population of about 500, total :P

I would definitely have jumped on your diplomacy thread by now, but my factbook hasn't been approved. That's the only thing holding me back.

Also, minor historical nitpick: Santorini was called Thira at that time.

Are there any other mods in this rp...jw.

Also I think we really need to come up with a set population % increase and timescale.

I would definitely have jumped on your diplomacy thread by now, but my factbook hasn't been approved. That's the only thing holding me back.

Also, minor historical nitpick: Santorini was called Thira at that time.

We can wait. I'll just be assuming people arrive on the same day.

And the Egyptians probably called it something else :P
I'm just too lazy to break out my English-Egyptian dictionary and come up with a decent name for it.

Fair enough. :P

Are there any other mods in this rp...jw.

Also I think we really need to come up with a set population % increase and timescale.

na its just Soviet

and ya we need to come upwitrh population growth as well as army size, resource availabillity and millitia call up stuff.

Well army size is entirely up to you.. but its based off your population, resources you can research what was around your area by doing internet searches, and most ancient armies weren't professional soldiers, I stole a bit from the Spartans by making my Helestici which are my elite full time soldiers which make up less than 1% of my full army all the rest of the men are farmers or other laborers for most of the year

ya i tried to do the same thing. I just mean upper limits . . .(also historical data on mineral deposits is. . . . lacking) so no more than 15% of your population can be soldiers or something.

The percent of your population that can be soldiers varies quite a bit based on culture and government style. A classical Athenian democracy would have more trouble raising a large, standing, army than, say, Persia.
Why?
Athens relied on its middle class, which, while somewhat larger than average, had several key disadvantages. Namely that you can't just tell people in the middle class that they're in the army forever. As far as I know, the classical Athenian army wasn't even a standing force.
Certainly, such soldiers WERE high quality. Paying for your own equipment tends to mean that people don't skimp. But it also means that its hard to maintain any size of military force.

Wheras Persia could basically just say, "Guess what, chap? You're in the army!", hand some poor peasant a spear and march him around Asia until he died. The only limit on that sort of recruitment system is how much you need to feed everybody.

So, placing a hard limit on people's armies is rather silly. Some 'barbarian' states can, effectively, put their entire male population in the army (for a limited period) with no serious ill effects. Some states can't even raise an army for a whole month. Some states WERE armies (THIS IS SPARTA!)
The military scene at this time is simply far too varied to set universal constraints on anything.
However, it is important to remind people that there are tradeoffs. I'm sure I don't need to remind anybody about the Battle of Thermopylae. If you raise 100,000 conscripts and send them off to battle 10,000 professionally trained, well equipped, veterans...well, the battle isn't over 'til its over.

So, basically, just figure out what sort of army you want. A small, professionally trained, highly equipped, force of doom hoplites that shoot lasers from their foreheads and breathe fire?
Or a giant mob of peasants armed with pointy sticks and rocks?

EDIT:
Mercenaries are, of course, another option. Apparently the area was positively lousy with them. The late period Egyptian army was, in fact, composed almost entirely of them. A big problem with mercenaries, as the Egyptians found out, is that they work for the highest bidder.

Thats why I made only a small portion of my army to be highly trained professional soldiers

I, for one, welcome our laser-shooting, doom hoplite overlords.

The Greeks may wish to take into consideration the fact that hoplites weren't the only thing in their armies. Hoplites require the support of people who carry their armor, dress them in it, and can replace their spears -- these people are on the front, anyway, so why would they not have weapons and be at least somewhat trained?

I thought that was where peltasts and archers came in. Sort of like what the Romans did.
"You're too young or just generally not good enough for the REAL soldiers, so here, go throw things at the enemy." sort of thing.

It is, and that's how my army is set up. Each hoplite has two squires: a senior who is a combat veteran, usually, and is light infantry, and the junior one is a fresh volunteer with a bow and the extra spears.

But I'm not sure all the other Greek states even have a proper number of them, much less will have them operate in such a fashion. So, you know, info for whoever didn't know it.

Every army has to have supporting units to carry supplies and such, so saying that just greek states would want to take into consideration that fact doesn't make sense.

Although the persian nation would use slaves for search purposes, I'd rather have a lightly trained and loyal supply hand than a slave which is likely to turn and fight their masters or simply run away if things started to go sour.

It's different for the Greeks because these are the equivalent of squires for knights. I didn't say anything about other supplies, but the support for the hoplite, extremely heavy infantry, itself, which is entirely Greek.

And a lot of Greek slaves were very loyal to their masters and would follow them into combat willfully. Not all slavery is abusive chattel slavery.

I was referring more to the persian form of slavery, and still id take the lightly trained squire over a persian conscript

Oh, most certainly. I feel the need to play R:TR, now.

Also, might I suggest doing a 'role call' to see who's still active? I can TG people to check up on them, if TWSP doesn't feel like it.

I'm active, just haven't gotten approved yet.

I'm still active, I'm just waiting for Thrasia to move into western Asia Minor so I can 'come to it's defence'

TWSP gave you a pop and a link in the first post, I think that counts as approval.

Belschaft, you should send somebody to my little diplomatic conference. Its main purpose is to scout out allies against the Samatens :P

Oh, so he did (thanks TWSP!). Alrighty then, time to get involved in stuff.

AP i sent a Magistrate basically a wealthy high ranking member of one of the town council's to your conference.

TWSP gave you a pop and a link in the first post, I think that counts as approval.

Belschaft, you should send somebody to my little diplomatic conference. Its main purpose is to scout out allies against the Samatens :P

Got a link? Can't find it.

its the one about a party for greeks..i think

Mm, the way Cadmeia handles things, if you want an ally, you come to us -- we're not the beggars at the moment. You need something, you make the effort, and vice versa. S'why I've not posted there. I'd post in the campaign thread, but I'm not sure what to do there.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14037015#post14037015

My diplomacy thread.

For now, the campaign thread is just sort of a marker to say 'I started planning this thing a while ago.' And once it starts, I don't imagine there will be much for other people to do, unless they find it highly objectionable that two piles of rocks were just invaded :P

The Kingdom of Tharo has no objections to your conquest of said rock piles :)

Celitca may have a problem with the invasion of the rock piles if weapons of mass . . .wait. . .wrong century my bad

I am back.

Thank Zeus

Thank oh great Jupiter!

lol

Hooray!! I'm done with my factbook... :D

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14043746#post14043746

Dude, 40,000 professional soldiers? You'll probably have 200,000 people total.

I've seen mention of longbows in several peoples factbooks, and I think they're a bit confused as to what they mean in this area of the world. While they're certainly more powerful than, say, a peasants stick-bow, they're not the godlike all-defeating super-powered bows of the English. (which have a greatly exaggerated reputation, anyway)
What we've got around here are basically imports from Africa. Its a big bow, and has a decent draw, but its primarily a hunting instrument. Sure, its strong, but the composite bows of this area are EASILY better.
In fact, I'm not even sure appropriate wood grows in this area of the world.

the longbow was effective also because of the steel tip of the arrows used...which punched right through a knights armor....seeing as bronze is the matieral used to make armor and weaponry in this time...well you get what im saying

Actually, the Cretan bow was a longbow of a form, and they were the best archers in the Mediterranean. That's what I meant when I said longbow -- in fact, I even said Cretan. It's not a Welsh, yew long bow by any means; it's a large, composite bow.

And I only use it with the potniai, who are dedicated to a fine tradition of archery much like the Cretans.

Indeed

I'm using a yew longbow (obviously not as capable as the english version) but did go over how I managed to get my hands on yew in my factbook. (Also the arrowhead material isn't as important as its shape)

new thread:http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14044909#post14044909

not sure how to respond to that thread..at the moment

not sure how to respond to that thread..at the moment

I was just trying to get things moving . . .btw if anyone has problems please feel free to tell me em and I'll try to adapt it to match

How I can I have missed this?! How! I would like to claim the area where Sparta was in RL. Here:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Sparta_territory.jpg
I would like to have a Asian type city if possible.

at least my city is far from all those overlapping spheres...

No to Mussleburgh's question regarding an asian nation in Greece.

Also, can everyone who is NOT on the map yet please tell me where they want to be?

The island of Naxos. Preferably far enough west that I control a chunk of Paros (the island directly west of Naxos) as well.

Also, I found a map naming the island groups as well as the major islands in the Aegean:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/f/fb/Aegean_Sea_with_island_groups_labeled.gif

Just for refrence.

Chalk it up to my sucky eyes, but I'm having a hard time making sense of claimed and unclaimed spheres on the map. It someone could point out some open Greek areas, I'd be much obliged.

ΚΟΡΜΠΟΥΡΝ will be the name of the city.

um north western mainland greece. and most of northern Greece as well except the eastern and western extremities

anywhere where there isn't a dot with a circle around it is free game....

Hmm, interesting. Can I resist the birth of Beddgelert, or at least Geletia? Probably not.

Well, I'd be interested in having a Celtic state in the extreme east of the map, possibly around the real city of Kütahya -or Kotiaion to the ancient Greeks- just north-northeast of the current eastern most city on the map, and so basically touching the edge of the map, about level with the island of Lesbos.

The Geletians, my people, would in this case be in some respects equivalent to the Galatians, who turned up in Asia Minor in the 270s bc, so obviously we'd have beaten them too it, but they prove that it was realistic for a Celtic civilisation to reach Asia Minor and establish itself there.

The Geletians will be famously tall, drunken, and fierce, operating on the principle that everyone who isn't paying us to beat people up on their behalf really needs to be beaten up. Their society will be organised in hill-fort communities of up to a few thousand residents, and they'll be expert farmers and metalworkers. They'd be skilled horsemen but choose usually to dismount for combat with swords... essentially bronze age mechanised infantry as opposed to genuine cavalry, but also making use of chariots.

On the other hand, they haven't developed writing and have a habit of pissing off everyone who worships gods in human form, typically by laughing at them and wrecking their temples. Their society will be semi-democratic in that clan chieftains elect tribal leaders, and said tribal leaders meet to hammer-out policy (as much as Geletia can be said to have set policies, anyway).

Our military will be fairly informal but built on a strong warrior tradition. The Geletians' skill at metalworking gives them well-fashioned swords, but unless we're allowed to have invented chainmail (nobody seems to know exactly when it was invented, but the Celts had it within a few years of the RP at least for some wealthy nobles) we'll probably fight stark naked. We'll probably be a bit lacking in archers, but despite not using much cavalry we'll have plenty of chariots and our infantry will be more mobile and flexible than most. Tall, fierce, and skilled, the warriors will tend to have a jittery streak that might see them refusing to give-up despite 20 to 1 odds against them one day, only to panic and flee in all directions after five minutes of fighting the next. Also, some clans will probably refuse to contribute to certain military campaigns and there might even be in-fighting in our civilisation.

Er, yeah, so that's Geletia, if you want it.

Dude, 40,000 professional soldiers? You'll probably have 200,000 people total.

Fortunately, TWSP gave me 275k pop.. God Bless him.. :D

Regarding the discourse on bows I was talking about the Cretan longbow and not the Welsh version.. Actually, I'm not that sure about longbows being used in Greece but Wikipedia said something about Cretan archers using longbows.. :confused:

I also have a question, how can we increase our spheres of influence again? I was hoping i could expand mine so I could take control of my whole island..

Hmm, interesting. Can I resist the birth of Beddgelert, or at least Geletia? Probably not.

Well, I'd be interested in having a Celtic state in the extreme east of the map, possibly around the real city of Kütahya -or Kotiaion to the ancient Greeks- just north-northeast of the current eastern most city on the map, and so basically touching the edge of the map, about level with the island of Lesbos.

The Geletians, my people, would in this case be in some respects equivalent to the Galatians, who turned up in Asia Minor in the 270s bc, so obviously we'd have beaten them too it, but they prove that it was realistic for a Celtic civilisation to reach Asia Minor and establish itself there.

The Geletians will be famously tall, drunken, and fierce, operating on the principle that everyone who isn't paying us to beat people up on their behalf really needs to be beaten up. Their society will be organised in hill-fort communities of up to a few thousand residents, and they'll be expert farmers and metalworkers. They'd be skilled horsemen but choose usually to dismount for combat with swords... essentially bronze age mechanised infantry as opposed to genuine cavalry, but also making use of chariots.

On the other hand, they haven't developed writing and have a habit of pissing off everyone who worships gods in human form, typically by laughing at them and wrecking their temples. Their society will be semi-democratic in that clan chieftains elect tribal leaders, and said tribal leaders meet to hammer-out policy (as much as Geletia can be said to have set policies, anyway).

Our military will be fairly informal but built on a strong warrior tradition. The Geletians' skill at metalworking gives them well-fashioned swords, but unless we're allowed to have invented chainmail (nobody seems to know exactly when it was invented, but the Celts had it within a few years of the RP at least for some wealthy nobles) we'll probably fight stark naked. We'll probably be a bit lacking in archers, but despite not using much cavalry we'll have plenty of chariots and our infantry will be more mobile and flexible than most. Tall, fierce, and skilled, the warriors will tend to have a jittery streak that might see them refusing to give-up despite 20 to 1 odds against them one day, only to panic and flee in all directions after five minutes of fighting the next. Also, some clans will probably refuse to contribute to certain military campaigns and there might even be in-fighting in our civilisation.

Er, yeah, so that's Geletia, if you want it.

1few things, first off make a factbook :D, secondly you might wanna think about making that an "empire" rather than a single city state (seems like the tribal thing might work out better that way). Last having bare chested infantry fighting against greek phalanxes might prove suicidal . . . you may wanna change up your military a little (at least have an elite "core" of people who can be disciplined fighters) otherwise your gonna get reamed by the first greek nation to take interest.

I think the bare chested infantry are authentic.. that's how the Celts fought against the Greeks and Romans.. :D

And kicked their arses at Thermopylae, too!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/celtman.jpg

Armour is for pansies :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/britons.jpg

I think the bare chested infantry are authentic.. that's how the Celts fought against the Greeks and Romans.. :D
lol ya but they lost. . . .:( lmao

lol ya but they lost. . . .:( lmao

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/brennos.jpg
Brennus 'losing' to some Greeks, who're so awesome they don't even have to be alive to beat the Celtic invaders! ;)

I'd take those pics down, given the recent ruling against Ryou. If you can get in trouble for female private bits, I imagine the male ones will get you nicked too.

So, besides Aperture Science, who else wants to get added to the map, and where?

TWSP are all the dark blue citys Thrasia's? Cos he said that he hadn't moved into western Asia Minor yet, and if there not his who's are they?

They belong to Thrashia.

Really? I didn't think he was in western Asia Minor yet.

Checked, and acording to his factbook they do not.

hmmmm . . .

???

just bout the factbook lol

Well, I remember stating that he'd have a small empire, in the game map and not outside it.