NationStates Jolt Archive

I never said that. In your post, you assumed that all of my tanks were unsophisticated. In reality, a small portion are Type 5s, while most are either Type 88 or T-72 tanks. I just grouped them together since it would just be a big mass of tanks anyway.

Okay, that's cool, then I guess the Type 88s and T-72s would be the ones that are getting blown away, and the Type 5s are the ones that aren't getting stopped so easily.

Oh and I made a little EDIT note at the end of my post so to make things work a little better.

You think my coming assault on Imperalist lands may bring a nuke launched my way?

Nah. They can't launch nukes beyond Stoklomolvi limits.

I wish to join on the Fascist's side, please.

Approved, since I asked you to join. :p How can you have a fascist faction without GWO?

Having a fascist faction in NS without the GWO getting involved is like having Christmas without good ol' Santy Clause! (Or cookies and beer)

Exactly! Sweet, sigged again. Two!

Also, you can't exactly land in China, since India, warring states, naval battles and the like block the path. You can land in Finland or Iran, since most of the fascists are in central Asia. Besides, I would not recommend landing in China anyway. How on earth are you going to be millions and millions of policemen and soldiers?

I was planning to have my troops cut straight through Northern China and possibly secure a trade route, but that idea has apparently been proven as not achievable. I do have a province in Northern China, bordering where North Korea would be, but since that would conflict with the strategic map of Stoklomolvi, that won't work for this thread.

Yeah, that would not work at all, since that would mean that my capital is sitting in your colony. Narr. Iran is close to collapsing, so I say that you should just kick them while they're down.

Ok, let's just pretend the force is being sent to the middle East instead (lolhax). I'm feeling a bit lazy to go back and edit my post, mainly because I'm sick in RL (I coughed up this thing when taking a shower this morning, and it was the size of my fist).

Ouch. Alright, blam, the GWO men have been teleported to the Middle East. Let us continue.

Hope you get better, though.

Thanks.

Hey GWO, care to explain some of your technology? Don't believe I've seen them before. Like a "crowbar" godrod or what artillery you're using.

I'd like to join on the Communist side.

Because Rotum Solum is officially a pacifist nation, I can only send clandestine squads of assassins to kill leaders and stuff. That's my thing.

And one other thing: Rotum Solum is supposed to be a Central European country relatively far from Russia, but with this map it would be practically adjacent. This plus the fact that I have no defense force would mean instant rape if I attack anyone, so I might need the Communists to pledge a small defense force to guard my borders against land-based incursions.

I have added you, but I remember stating somewhere that I was no longer accepting new communist allies. But then, you're not sending great armies of anything, and only a few communist allies have actively done anything, so I guess you're in.

TO ALL LIBERAL SUPPORTERS:

If none of you respond within the next day or so, then the liberals will definitely lose.

I'll definitely have my post up by Sunday. Hopefully tomorrow, but I'm in a wedding so that may not come to pass.

I'll try to kick Prae and Cot into posting as well.

Hey GWO, care to explain some of your technology? Don't believe I've seen them before. Like a "crowbar" godrod or what artillery you're using.

The "Crowbar" godrod is simply a tungsten pole dropped from space that is smaller than most godrods on NS. It's meant for more tactical use, rather than the "telephone pole" ones that can flatten numerous city blocks.

The Flechette Artillery is an idea banned in RL by the Geneva Convention against Infantry (Flechettes are in general). It works by using an explosive charge to launch hundreds/thousands of deadly spikes around, ripping through flesh and armor with ease. During World War One, this idea was fathomed when pilots dropped steel spikes from their airplanes, sending the spikes ripping through helmets and skulls. In short, imagine the spike grenade from Resistance, except the spikes don't ricochet (Usually.) Here's a wikipedia article explaining flechettes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette

I'm also beginning to incorporate Flechettes into my infantry units, as it can be fired from rifles with special barrels and can penetrate armor with no problem at all. When used by infantry, it simply hits the target and dumps all its energy into the victim while ripping into them. That being said, it has poor penetration against things like buildings and whatnot.

So is th afgan-pakistan boarder battle over? or shud i continue to deploy troops there?

GWO, targeting Vladistov would yield the same result as anyone attacking Magna Polis. In addition, you're not letting me respond to your orbital threats. Remember that I have just as many satellites as you if not many more, seeing as to how orbital assets can't really be "boarded" by the factions, and thus satellites are under communist control in Vladistov. And yes, I have killer satellites, but I'm not using them as to stay more or less "conventional."

I only claimed it was taking aim at Vladistov, not actually launching the bombs.

Why don't you just launch tactical nukes from fascist Afghanistan to a location of your choosing?

My fleet didn't bring tac-nukes with them. However, I guess I can have them shipped over.

Truly, it was already quite the liberty to have allowed you to enter Stoklomolvi waters without any interference from privateers. In reality, it would have taken you several weeks if not months to navigate NU to reach Stoklomolvi, but you can try to goad your fascist allies into doing stuff for you.

If it's still OK to take part, I think I'll send some volunteers to fight for the "Soviet" side... But since I would help anarchists should there be any, I guess my troops could begin to grow a third leftist faction from inside the Soviets - who seem to be the more liberal party of the left-leaning ones - to ever increase the chaos in your country ^^

What say you, comrade Stoklomolv?

If it's still OK to take part, I think I'll send some volunteers to fight for the "Soviet" side... But since I would help anarchists should there be any, I guess my troops could begin to grow a third leftist faction from inside the Soviets - who seem to be the more liberal party of the left-leaning ones - to ever increase the chaos in your country ^^

What say you, comrade Stoklomolv?

So, I take it I'll have to commit some assassinations/back-stabbing then?

Kronstadtia, that's fine, but remember that most of the left-leaning in Stoklomolvi would lie in the second quadrant, not the third. The liberals would be in the first quadrant, the fascists in the top right corner, Soviets around -7, 1. Communists -10, 8. Referring to the politcompass here.

Added.

So, I take it I'll have to commit some assassinations/back-stabbing then?

If you think that's necessary... We'll see what happens. Kronstadtians are not used to political supervision, comissars or strict party structure, so more traditional communists may see them as unpredictable, undisciplined or even treacherous with their habit of questioning orders.
But they wouldn't really be anarchists otherwise, would they now? ;)

Kronstadtia, that's fine, but remember that most of the left-leaning in Stoklomolvi would lie in the second quadrant, not the third. The liberals would be in the first quadrant, the fascists in the top right corner, Soviets around -7, 1. Communists -10, 8. Referring to the politcompass here.

Added.

Ok... well, nothing stops me of trying anyways, right? I'll read through the IC thread now and then post my entry.

All righty. Commissars, strict party structure, and political supervisions are all parts of this Soviet faction. Sure, there are the Trotskies and Lenins, but most of the members are Stalins.

All righty. Commissars, strict party structure, and political supervisions are all parts of this Soviet faction. Sure, there are the Trotskies and Lenins, but most of the members are Stalins.

Then it may well be that your Trotskies&Stalins and my Kronstadtian Sailors will repeat the events between Trotsky&Stalin and RL Kronstadt Sailors... =(

That would suck for your guys :p

And of course it would happen on an island west of Petrograd. Heh.

Erm, the liberals would cover that, and since nobody is actively helping them they are starting to collapse. No, Stoklomolvi could never become a satellite of Fanrai. And nobody would ever join a party that cannot even get the national demonym right.

ooc darn i,m stupid !

ooc pretend I never wrote that. that was one of the stupidest things I,ve ever posted

I would stick to supporting the liberals, but it's full. Mainly since most of them haven't even posted any real support yet.

Still, the closest party to the liberals would be the imperialists, who are also collapsing.

I will help the imperialists.

ooc can we use futeristic tech in this thread ?

Read the title. Added.

It does not say .

Stoklomolvi Civil War [Semi-open, OOC, MT]

Semi-open means you need my permission. OOC means that everything is out-of-character. MT means modern tech.

We will send them 5 tons of steel, we will send them ammunition, and tanks

I think the Fascists could use the British Fascist Party Flag, shown here: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/2/2a/180px-British_Union_of_Fascists_flag.ant.svg.png

I'm a fan of the swastika, believe it or not. I'm actually thinking of getting it tattooed on my left arm, but that'd cause some major problems for me when getting different jobs, and could possibly get me fired from my current one.

Hm, GWO, I think that flag is looking awesome.

Befriend the swastika if you will, but avoid showing that. Few like a man who likes a swastika, unless said swastika is red, orientation left to right, and has dots in each quadrant. Then it doesn't really matter.

Fanrai, what could steel do to help the imperialists? And remember that you haven't actually sent anything, this thread being OOC.

All righty. Commissars, strict party structure, and political supervisions are all parts of this Soviet faction. Sure, there are the Trotskies and Lenins, but most of the members are Stalins.

Well, maybe that's true for the Stoklomolvi section of the faction, but us Soviets stand for democratic socialism, democracy and peace!

So yeah, no party control for me (though my army does have the odd commissar, who acts like an officer but holds no real power, unlike their RL counterparts).

On a side note, it would be nice if the Kronstadtian government contacted mine before doing anything, to better coordinate our efforts and ensure that no break-ups happen from within the faction.

Well, I have to change my support to the facists as the Imperialists have lost any really large ports that would be needed to send in the forces that would be needed in a massive attack.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/TigerLegion.jpg

These are the flags used by the Tiger Legion for its various services. Some units, such as special forces, have no identifying features (other than perhaps their difficult-to-suppress Vetalian accents...).

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/TigerLegion.jpg

These are the flags used by the Tiger Legion for its various services. Some units, such as special forces, have no identifying features (other than perhaps their difficult-to-suppress Vetalian accents...).

The official parade flag reminds me of the INGSOC flag from 1984. It's ok, I base my national anthem off of theirs (With different lyrics, of course).

Scandinvans, had you actually done something the imperialists would not have died as miserably.

Scandinvans, had you actually done something the imperialists would not have died as miserably.I am a real jackass I know.:p

Yet really I was hoping the other supporters would be more active, yet I was sadly mistaken.:$

Pretty much the only supporters have been for the commies, the fascists, and the Soviets, which is really sad since the commies were supposed to be "TEH EBIL" alongside the fascists, and the Soviets have one guy behind them and are doing better than the liberals and imperialists.

Pretty much the only supporters have been for the commies, the fascists, and the Soviets, which is really sad since the commies were supposed to be "TEH EBIL" alongside the fascists, and the Soviets have one guy behind them and are doing better than the liberals and imperialists.

"Now you will see that evil prevails, because good is dumb."

Ah, but only the one who possesses better Schwarz shall prevail if both are evil.

The official parade flag reminds me of the INGSOC flag from 1984. It's ok, I base my national anthem off of theirs (With different lyrics, of course).

Actually, it is originally from 1984, albeit slightly changed. I liked the design, and I wanted to avoid relying on the Nazis for national inspiration as well as reflect the fact that our country's leaders also espouse the "power for power's sake" of Oceania.

I mean, we're fascist but not national socialist. There is a strong current of Vetalian ethnocentrism, but not the kind of hatred towards other ethnicities like under the Nazi regime. That being said, almost all of our national leaders are inspired by the Nazi government, even if they're not necessarily as evil.

Ah, but only the one who possesses better Schwarz shall prevail if both are evil.

I hate it when my Schwarz gets twisted.


Actually, it is originally from 1984, albeit slightly changed. I liked the design, and I wanted to avoid relying on the Nazis for national inspiration as well as reflect the fact that our country's leaders also espouse the "power for power's sake" of Oceania.

I mean, we're fascist but not national socialist. There is a strong current of Vetalian ethnocentrism, but not the kind of hatred towards other ethnicities like under the Nazi regime. That being said, almost all of our national leaders are inspired by the Nazi government, even if they're not necessarily as evil.

Well, Fascism without National Socialism is just Fascism. It's Nazism that is Fascism with National Socialism.

INGSOC is relatively leftist if my memory serves me right; They're a Socialist movement that practices Communism, if I'm right.

The down side of the Schwartz will win over the less down side!

GWO, I would recommend shortening your signature. Right now, it's longer than 8 lines. Perhaps making my quote one line or removing it would save it?

Fixed, now it's exactly 8 lines.

Yeah, well I has the Pick of Destiny!

A quote takes up 5 lines, actually. I was reading about this in the moderator section.

I has a huge ship that takes several minutes to travel across a wide screen!

Fixed

Well I deactivated a maximum-security laser system with a boner, then did a power slide in front of a bunch of armed security guards to go past a closing steel door!

Post coming as soon as I find the IC thread and catch up with the reading. Anyone care to give me a quick recap of the situation as of present and where I can land my 600 000 men and craptton of equipment?

Order of Battle
Operasjon: Stoklomolvisk Frihet


Ekspedisjongruppe 11«Stoklomolvis Frelsere» (Royal Cottish Army)


+35. Armé (Royal Cottish Army)
++351. Korps (Infantry)
+++35101. Motor Rifle Division
+++35102. Motor Rifle Division
+++35103. Motor Rifle Division
+++35104. MLR Brigade
+++35105. Logistics Group
++352. Korps (Infantry)
+++35201. Motor Rifle Division
+++35202. Motor Rifle Division
+++35203. Motor Rifle Division
+++35204. MLR Brigade
+++35205. Logistics Group
++353. Korps (Sustainment)
+++35301. Engineer Brigade
+++35302. Logistics Group
+++35303. Logistics Group
+++35304. Medical Brigade
+++35305. Military Police Brigade
+++35306. Helicopter Brigade
+++35307. Air Defense Brigade

+57. Armé (Royal Cottish Army)
++571. Korps (Infantry)
+++57101. Motor Rifle Division
+++57102. Motor Rifle Division
+++57103. Motor Rifle Division
+++57104. MLR Brigade
+++57105. Logistics Group
++572. Korps (Infantry)
+++57201. Motor Rifle Division
+++57202. Motor Rifle Division
+++57203. Motor Rifle Division
+++57204. MLR Brigade
+++57205. Logistics Group
++573. Korps (Sustainment)
+++57301. Engineer Brigade
+++57302. Logistics Group
+++57303. Logistics Group
+++57304. Medical Brigade
+++57305. Military Police Brigade
+++57306. Helicopter Brigade
+++57307. Air Defense Brigade

+94. Armé (Royal Cottish Army)
++941. Korps (Infantry)
+++94101. Motor Rifle Division
+++94102. Motor Rifle Division
+++94103. Motor Rifle Division
+++94104. MLR Brigade
+++94105. Logistics Group
++942. Korps (Infantry)
+++94201. Motor Rifle Division
+++94202. Motor Rifle Division
+++94203. Motor Rifle Division
+++94204. MLR Brigade
+++94205. Logistics Group
++943. Korps (Sustainment)
+++94301. Engineer Brigade
+++94302. Logistics Group
+++94303. Logistics Group
+++94304. Medical Brigade
+++94305. Military Police Brigade
+++94306. Helicopter Brigade
+++94307. Air Defense Brigade

++Directly under Group Commander
++11. Group Headquarters
++115. Korps (Armor)
+++11501. Tank Division
+++11502. Tank Division
+++11503. Tank Division
+++11504. MLR Brigade
+++11505. Logistics Group
++11. Tactical Missile Brigade
++11. Aviation Brigade
++11. Special Forces Group
++11. Military Intelligence Brigade
++11. Theatre Air Defense Division
++116. Parachute Regiment
++127. Parachute Regiment

+Luftgruppe 91 (Ekspedisjonær) (Royal Cottish Air Force)
++911. Attack Regiment (50x COT.36)
++912. Attack Regiment (50x COT.36)
++914. Attack Regiment (50x COT.36)
++915. Fighter Regiment (50x COT.41)
++916. Fighter Regiment (50x COT.41)
++917. Fighter Regiment (50x COT.41)
++918. Fighter Regiment (50x COT.41)
++919. Control Regiment (10x EP-191B, 10x EP-191E, 20x EB-177C)
++920. Logistics Regiment (20x COT.16, 20x C-197A, 20x KC-130J)
++921. Airbase Regiment
++922. Airbase Regiment
++923. Air Defense Regiment (BLM.54 Scar SAM)
++924. Air Defense Regiment (BLM.54 Scar SAM)
++925. Airbase Security Regiment
++926. Airbase Security Regiment

Jeez, a hell of a lot of men. Excellent, some actual support for the liberals.

By the way, Vilnius is under siege by the liberals, not the liberals are under siege.

Is it still open for me to join?

Yes, but the factions are limited.

Whoo Hoo..?

I'll post my military stuff here that I will use, soon. And what era is this in? 1940s or 2000s?

2000s, Vietnam. Or at least, somewhere around there.

Got it, I'll post my military and IC tommorow, have to study for test

Could I please get in on this? On the side of the imperialists?

That would be wonderful, actually. The imperialists do need a great big boost.

thank ya

Just wondering what has happened. I also invaded the Imperialist land south of "Finland" dozens of pages back.

Orbat will be up sometime this week when I have the time to post it.

You were successful, and they're almost gone.

Aki, how fast are they flying? Remember that my country is nearly 48,000 km across. Stated in my factbook, last edited before the civil war.

They're cruising at Mach .77, that being the B-22's cruising speed.

Also they're coming from the east and heading west (at the moment, they will turn around later) so they won't be over your country for more than the few minutes it takes to drop bombs and other such things.

For the record, according to your map, the Imperialist land I just conquered should be coloured Dark Red, but it remains yellow, even on the third update.

Also, it appears I control nothing, again, according to the map.

I haven't updated the map for quite some time now. The misinformation, however, will be carried over to the recent posts, such as TPF's unfortunate landing in Soviet territory.

Aki, did you not read the rules at all? It clearly states that you can only come in from the west.

I have decided to join the Imperialist side. Should I post my army deployment here? (Is it called an Orbat?)

ORBAT stands for Order of Battle. Yes, post it here.

Deployment

Vietnam Empire Royal Army

105th Division
17th Brigade
25th Brigade
30th Brigade
75th Brigade
5th Regiment
21st Regiment
19th Regiment

101st Division
20th Brigade
34th Brigade
45th Brigade
50th Brigade
10th Regiment
20th Regiment
25th Regiment

104th Airborne
51st Regiment
Others are not deployed

Total Troop count: ~75,000 Troops

Vietnam Empire Airforce

5 Military Airborne Paratrooper Plane; used only once
(Couldn’t think of a plane)

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By the way, I heard that the map wasn't up-to-date so, is the Imperialist conquered area at the west not taken yet?

It's been conquered by the Soviets, who are now fighting TPF. Formulating a response right now.

I thought the maps were up to date. I'll play along- but it would be nice to know next time that I'm actually landing in unfriendly and no friendly area.

Aki, did you not read the rules at all? It clearly states that you can only come in from the west.


"- All landings will arrive from the west." [emphasis mine].

I'm under the impression that I'm in the clear.

Beyond that, I don't see how I couldn't approach from the east, given that airplanes can fly and the world tends to be round in shape.

Great, I need to catch up on the reading, so basically I need to figure out where to land. There's no alliance on the Imperialist?

TPF, perhaps reading at least from the last update would help.

Aki, taking advantage of loopholes is not appreciated. The world would have to be ubermegahuge in order to accommodate everybody, so I would normally assume that to my east is a big endless pit.

Like I said, I will play it from ear, so no worries.

Ah, all is well then. I'm liking your sense of "what happened has happened."

Supermegapost coming soon. Along with "teh updaten."

Aki, taking advantage of loopholes is not appreciated. The world would have to be ubermegahuge in order to accommodate everybody, so I would normally assume that to my east is a big endless pit.

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That's what war is about.

And yes, the world is ubermegahuge.

Although if you prefer it to be flat then I'd plan on ignoring your satellites and other orbital assets. I mean, let's be reasonable. Even if I'm not going to bomb Vladistov now, or in this particular method, I have about 9001 other ways to go about it.

I'm willing to compromise by agreeing that the earth is indeed round and me launching MIRVed tactical ICBMs into LEO (which the Odysseus are capable of) to achieve unlimited range.

I never implied the world was flat. I merely said that I usually assume that there's a big endless pit to my east, and that could be a curved pit for all I care.

I'm not against your attempting to bomb my capital. I would count unlimited range missiles as strategic. I mean, then they're not really for use in the "tactical" class, since they are more dealing with strategy than tactics.

Considering I only shot four missiles, each with only one RV, you should have ABM defenses to counter that, so I don't see what the problem is. Let's compromise somewhere and move on. The bombing is intended more as a surprise first strike for psychological purposes than anything that is of tactical and strategical value.

Furthermore, I'm not out to wank the utter hell out of everything because I've been in RPs like that and I was extremely depressing and incredibly frustrating. Every action I take will be able to be counterbalanced somehow, because I want a fair(ish) fight and ICly I want to preserve your nation because it might come in handy in some way. As Newton's Third law states, "every action has an equal an opposite reaction". I've exploited something for my benefit, and now it's your turn to exploit something else for your benefit.

I am still concerned over your advance from my east, which I have explicitly stated is not acceptable. While I appreciate your explanations, I refuse to allow any sort of attack from my east. Thus, I have changed your attack to be from the west/north-west. Acceptable?

Yeah, I suppose.

Just a note:
ALL of my remaining Cnian troops are at a city WEST of Kekekegrad, the only exceptions are the ones near the city that I left behind, but even they weren't inside the city, they were just outside of it.

The Cnians and Fascist are all in a city west of Kekekegrad, except two hundred thousand, you captured or killed around 120,000 of them, and the rest are retreating, except a few thousand. But I was training the Fascist to defend the city, not to attack, but if you claim control over them, since they are technically under your control since they're Fascist assets, and you control the Fascists, I guess that would be alright?

I thought you were in Kekekegrad. You kept referring to "the city," so naturally I assumed that you were in the only "city" on the map.

Nah, I posted earlier that my troops fell back to another city, that I wanted you to name, but I just called it the city since I didn't get an official name.

Ah. Damn. Didn't see that, then. :/

Lol it's cool, so, what does that mean for your post? I mean pretty much if you guys beat the Liberals you have Kekekegrad... also could the Fascist and Liberals form an alliance, kind of like the Imperial-Communist things?

The Imperialist-Communist "alliance" does not really exist at all, per se. The imperialists were aided by TPF, and the commies, seeing this, rolled in to take advantage of the distracted fascists. The fascists and liberals are polar opposites, essentially. The imperialists and communists are politically similar but ideologically different.

Bah, perhaps we could work out some short of half-way deal, Western China-ish area there's and the East of China being Fascistl?

Western China and Eastern China? That's firmly communist. What do you mean?

Like, have a summit between Fascist and Liberals, understanding our political difference, but we both want a Liberal/Fascist state. So, we band together and fight to take over the nation, until we complete the occupation, once we conquer all other factions we split the nation into two states, a Fascist state and a Liberal state.

Both sides would disagree to that proposal in itself. They know that if this happens, then they would have to eventually fight each other anyway, and doing this now would be a grave strategic error. Besides, the liberals are being boosted by Cotland, and this would guarantee their opposal; other than the Liberal Siberian State being conquered by commies, the liberals have nothing to worry about in their minds.

Alrighty then. How many troops can the Communists, Liberals, Imperialists, and Fascist field?

Is there any land at the Very West, or is it just surrounded by water making it as an island.

And is there any other geography information I need to know?

The communists can field a maximum of 100 or so million men, the majority of them KGB infantry. Liberals can field as many men as people, though doing this would be suicide; probably a maximum of 10-20 million irregulars. Imperialists, 5-7 million, fascists 11-12 million.

Vietnam, FACTBOOK. Also, to my south is India, etc. All of the other RL Asian nations, only on a scale so large that in total their population is several hundred times mine.

Alright, so basically, Communists control city, my troops are stationed at the unnamed city (please name), +200,000 Fascists, +50,000 survivors from the battle that just took place... Is that fair to assume now?

Yes, it's fair. I'll call the unnamed city "Sergllingrad."

Post coming soon-ish...

Gagh, there are so many posts. TWSP, I am officially giving you OOC command over all Soviet forces west of the western border of the Chinese Oblast. In other words, you post for the Soviet faction in the western theatres. I will still control Iosif and the main command.

That is all for now.

So, basically, what I have been doing so far? (with the Stoklomolvi Liberation Armies, that is).

The Stoklomolvi Liberation Armies are still largely under my control, since for all you know I could be planning a total surrender to the liberals/commies/imperialists/fascists in the region. However, they are now totally under your control until further notice.

I'll hold off on posting until you get caught up.

EDIT: Also, what's the status of Taiwan?

No no, by all means, post. It's keeping the thread alive and burning. It's just that the huge influx of posts takes a while to respond to, especially now that some of the members who originally signed up are now posting.

You know, for the amount of troops being lost on your side compared to my side, that kind of is going to hurt in the long run... do the Communists know that and don't care, or do they not know??

Good to know, I shall do my best.

The communists both know and don't really care. Their population is highly bloated by immigrants and unregistered civilians. Sure, regrowing is going to take almost two months, but still, those two months mean a few years for me.

Where do the immigrants come from?

...the poor countries to my south. There's a reason as to why I put them there; during the nationalisation crisis when Alexei ordered all private businesses to be shut down, I had a talk with Alfegos during which I came up with the idea where there was a huge-ass India to my south, with hundreds of billions of people living in it, a huge-ass South-east Asia with yet even more billions, and the Oceanic countries etc. Japan is to me east, and is still a very feudalistic society in which the Daimyo rule over their own plots of land etc. Korea has been my enemy ever since the ancient ages, and will continue to be. The Yalu River is the most highly fortified river in Stoklomolvi.

Thus, the poor nations to my south feed my economy; they consume my weapons, they export food to me, they provide me with the steady population increase that is exponential in the manner of the Chinese population boom, and they fight each other constantly. They breed like rabbits, with so many poor weapons that the entire region is essentially on fire.

True, but no one is going to cross a border if they know they're going to get shot by 35mm shells, or bombed to shit... Where's my damned airforce... Would I know that the South is where you get your immigrants ICly?

Nobody knows. Not even my government knows, really. They just come from there. They still cross, since if they don't they're going to get shot by 88mm shells and still get bombed to shit anyway. Plus, they live in capitalistic countries where corruption is far more rampant than in Stoklomolvi, and the southern regions are tropical zones.

How would you not know? Thats billions of people randomly saying "Yea, I'm just going to stroll into your country with being noticed right now... oh and the people who live right next to he border... guess what, they're not going to see me!!" Yea... that just doesn't happen, look at Mexico and the US, id have to common knowledge atleast to your government, or atleast the Southern regional livers, but whatever, it's your nation.

By the way... how many troops did you lose when you were fighting my men just outside Kekekegrad?

Yeah, I have people posted along every kilometre of a 30,000 some long border. Yeah, totally.

Probably twenty to fifty thousand.

Including the tactical nuke I dropped, that totally took out more than that, atleast from the description you gave me?? Anyways, my posts are up.

EDIT:
From the nuclear blast alone you said 200,000 had been killed.

I was thinking of something else. Bah.

Also, remember that INDIA is in the way of reaching Islamabad by sea. You have to fight from Karachi northwards.

Where's Karachi????

EDIT:
You mean Karachi, Pakistan?

Well, I've edited the post, but the airstrikes are still coming for Islamabad.

Yes, Karachi, Pakistan. How are you getting to Islamabad? I would not go over the Stoklomolvi Princely States, or the "Indian states"; they're more militarised than GWO.

Is there room for more?

I intend to deploy, and to do so in support of the Imperialists.

Gasp! The great designer hath bless this thread.

Feel free to join in.

Sweet. Time finally for Lyras and TPF to flex their muscles together.

Reeeeeeeeeally need an up-to-date map. I'm having issues formulating a post if I have no idea where everything is...

Reeeeeeeeeally need an up-to-date map. I'm having issues formulating a post if I have no idea where everything is...

Dittio, I was planning on exploiting our NAP somewhat with Hryvatia (if that's OK, might send you a TG about the details, probably just a regiment) and I need to know what's going on so I can roleplay the detachment of Pictish ARCAI that should be arriving with the Akimonadi forces.

I was about to upload one, but I had to go finish up some work and by the time I was done I was tired. It'll be up today.

TWSP, I know that the TPFian military has not arrived yet, and it was my mistake in the initial response, but the sliver was from the remaining imperialist resistance just to make up for the fact that I fudged up the thing.

And it's right on the coast?

Well, it's your RP, I'll just have to crush them.

Go ahead. Besides, the imperialists are already half dead. I don't want to make them disappear.

I doubt they will with both Prussian and Lyran troops deployed.

Is it okay if I fluid time some to the naval battle versus TWSP?

That's fine with me. However, after battling you will have to wait before deploying your actual men.

Okey, by the newer map update from the IC forms, the little part of Imperialist land of the west is part of Iran, correct? My stupid mind of mine needs to work its geography, your factbook didn't explain much (unless I am stupid), but I am assuming its Iran from using a Globe and reading the summery you created on the update.

By the way, if you haven't got it yet, I am a Imperialist.

Damn it, I forgot to add you. Could have sworn I did, though...

Erm, Iran is the clearly Iran-shaped object (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/LocationIran.png) on the map. The imperialist land to the far west is in Ukraine. In the centre was originally Imperial Kazakhstan, which was broken apart by the commies and fascists. If that's what you're referring to.

Oh okey, I see it now, Imperialist is in west of Ukraine, and below Ukraine is the "Black Sea" which doesn't exist in this RP.

It does, as it's land, but it's called the "Black Sea State" for some reason.

I doubt they will with both Prussian and Lyran troops deployed.

Is it okay if I fluid time some to the naval battle versus TWSP?

Thank god for shore batteries, naval aviation and AShMs =P

[OOC: That's in...communist territory? Erm, if you're landing in communist-held land I would expect resistance against Akimonad, of all countries.]

Cot managed to land with no resistance in communist territory. I don't see why I can't, considering it expedites the RP along. In fact, I bet him $10 you would say something like this.

That is, unless you're trying to block every move I make with a contradictory OOC statement of some kind.

No no, he landed in what was once Corbournne, presumably, and then headed for Liberal Belarus. You, on the other hand, landed in territory recently taken by Greal, which was then filled in with other communist troops.

hello?

Yeah, my bad.

What resistance should I expect to encounter?

Also, what's your MSN nick? TG it if you like.

I need that too please.

@ Stok: Co-axial = usually high-caliber MG planted inside the turret that aims with the main cannon, which can't aim as fast as a snowmobile can move. I think you mean the commander guns. Also, tank ditches in RL aren't supposed to have people in them; the tank has to climb a mound, and when they get to the top, they expose their bottom because they're still "going up" the mound.

So essentially, it's like the tank gets high-centered facing upwards. Plus, the tank might get stuck in the ditch.

What tank ditches look like: http://www.bitsofnews.com/images/graphics/Yom_Kippur_War_large.jpg I'm presuming subterrainian mines are in the gap.

`What the hell, yooo, i culda swore i timed to posts on the IC thread and tat shit ain't show up both time :-0!!! xplain? pl0x, fuck i guess ill have to rite it up tomorrow... or later today...

Look at the beginning of this thread, and you will know.

GWO, I could have sworn that you wrote "tank-trap ridden ditches" instead of anti-tank ditches, which are indeed quite different. Also, what are "scrapes"? At any rate, my tanks have Arena and Shtora defensive systems, which shoot down and divert enemy missiles/projectiles, respectively. Also, on my tank, the co-axial machine gun can still move; it's not attached to the main gun. The gunner can move the machine gun if he needs to, but it's securely attached to the main turret. So yes, it's inside the turret, but he can manually aim with the coax.

Look at the beginning of this thread, and you will know.

GWO, I could have sworn that you wrote "tank-trap ridden ditches" instead of anti-tank ditches, which are indeed quite different. Also, what are "scrapes"? At any rate, my tanks have Arena and Shtora defensive systems, which shoot down and divert enemy missiles/projectiles, respectively. Also, on my tank, the co-axial machine gun can still move; it's not attached to the main gun. The gunner can move the machine gun if he needs to, but it's securely attached to the main turret. So yes, it's inside the turret, but he can manually aim with the coax.

Tank-trap ridden ditches was used to state that there were "hedgehogs" and other objects which can stop a tank's movement on the other side, meaning that the tanks would have to back up, stay, or get stuck. Scrapes are essentially small mounds made by infantry in seconds that stop certain bullets.

I still think that the tanks would have a hard time hitting a small, white snowmobile swerving around and doing zig-zags. It's kind of like how the Coast Guard has trouble shooting the "go-fasts" that drugrunners use.

Automatic targeting. The Coast Guard is poor. At any rate, I stopped before I crossed the ditches anyway, with the spades just screwing up anything that's in the ditches. Frontal armour facing your tanks.

So, Stok, when exactly did you RP the commies abandoning Vilnius? I'm asking because when I checked before I wrote the post, the commies were still holding a substantial portion of the city. It seems to me you're trying to dodge your way out of a perfectly legitimate attack on the commies. Furthermore, I do believe that it would take more than a few hours to refit a Topol-M with tactical warheads. A day or four seems more realistic.

Additionally, if you want to start lobbing ICBMs around, I've got to ask you: Are you sure you want to escalate to that level? Because I'm more than willing to play hardball with my nuclear arsenal if you force me to.

Let's try to avoid that, shall we? Incidentally, while in-theater, Lyran forces will NOT be using NBCR weapons, and will attempt to shoot down such weapons targetted at population centres, regardless of who fired them.

This is a CIVIL war people. The winners dont get to win if everything is a plane of glass.

Cotland, see posts 185 and 197, near the bottom of each one describing "Vilnius" or "Liberal Byelorussia." I clearly left the city.

Indeed, I really do not want to kill a perfectly good rp by escalating to strategic levels. Stok, you should probably limit it to tactical exchanges only. Probably ban everything above 500 kilotons.

I would label a strategic nuclear weapon in this RP as a nuclear weapon with a yield of over 1-1.5 MT.

There does appear to be a rather lot of tac nuking going on at that, it seems to be the current solution to almost every engagement :S

Hey, they're a legitimate tactic. It spreads radiation that deters movement.

After landing, Lyran NBCD teams will help with the clean-up behind the lines. Should get us some brownie points with the civilians as well. We don't make the mess (refusal to kill civilians, especially through nukes), but help clean it up.

Although radiation won't deter movement in modern armoured vehicles... might hinder supply lines, though.

I think I speak for most people when I say nukefest = gtfo.

Honestly, they ought to be totally banned.

I would agree.

Especially 1.5k of them.

I've never used that many nukes. I mean, I've essentially nuked myself already.

Well can you please ban them then? With that many nukes there's basically no choice but to escalate. One or two... sure, but not 1.5 THOUSAND.

Look at GWO's latest post. One thousand three hundred and fifty tactical nuclear weapons?

That's not really tactical with that volume of weapons.

Yes, I looked at that. It's not really for a tactical purpose if you're launching them every which direction. GWO, care to explain?

I figured since there was a relative high amount of nuke-lobbing, such an amount would be acceptable, as I'm dotting the area with them (As you did with Fascist Stoklomolvi). I also figured most of them would be shot down.

High amount? In total I've launched fewer than 100. And that's counting both strategic and tactical. Most of them hitting myself. You do realise that with every nuke I launch that successfully explodes, I'm hurting myself in the long run, right?

I did not launch a thousand of them in fascist Stoklomolvi. I launched a few. A thousand is not a few.

I'll down the numbers by around a thousand.

That's still a huge amount of missiles going nowhere.

Eh, with just 500 I should easily be able to down them.

I was laying siege of Minsk, anything happen there? My troops are pushing into the city. I was expecting a bloody urban battle.

Ok folks, thought I'd do an apology for the EMP-hit. It really was a secondary effect, seriously. The LY4032 is very effective in its ABM role, and Lyras will not stand by and allow civilian casualities to nuclear weaponry.

At the same time, though, we're not going to ignore the (in this case useful) secondary effects. When an opportunity of that nature comes along, we'd be mad not to take it.

Hope no one objects too much (save ICly).

Well I personally used the Rampart variant with the kinetic kill warhead, but if you want to use the nuclear one, I dunno.

I don't object to it, but you just disabled a tiny portion of the coast. Most of which is imperialist. Remember the scale.

It's all repairable. Just will take a little time.

That gives me an idea...

Hmm...

You're plotting again, Aki...

Oh dear. Just make sure that you don't fall into an egg shell with one arm and three legs.

I am always plotting something or other. Picts knows.

Besides that, I'm waaaaaaaaaay too tired to plot or post right now.

Danged night shift. :<

Egg shell?

And yes, night shift is uncomfortable...

Night shift! Night shift! Night shift! D:<

Lyras, I'll probably stick a response to your uber EMP later this evening. I'm very busy writing my position paper, which is very difficult for me.

No worries. Again, it wasn't designed as an EMP, but it is a very prominent secondary effect. Better (for civilians) that they be EMPed, rather than nuked.

Nuclear bombs have EMP effects too. :p

True, since based off what I've read your goal is to protect the civilians, regardless of side, and establish an imperialist state at least somewhat friendly to Lyras. Protecting the civilians would really garner the support.

This is true. I was hoping to get time to write a nice piece on how Fascists, liberals and communists don't really care, while Lyras exercises restraint and protects everyone... kinda like an infomentary piece thing.

Ah, sweet sweet propaganda. Well, it's back to work for me.

What about Minsk?

I'll get to that in my next post too, Greal.

Sorry about the impatientence. I'm just a bit bored and I also aim to make my next post my longest in this thread.

can I post on the Imperialist side, I have a very small special forces unit I want to deploy?

Are we allowed to switch sides?

Yes, since I'm not controlling your country.

Right is there a point where my forces could cross into enemy territory easily, commit some war crimes against civillians and fight against some sort of resistance group? Much like the nazi's and the french restistance :D lol

In the north, I suppose. It would be highly detrimental to you, as all sides would start viewing you as an enemy.

Southern Hexagon, did you post here at all?

Yes, Southern Hexagon did post here.

Ah, yes. I did not see that. I apologise, and you have been accepted.

Fairplay, no civillian killing then

ooc: MARKED for Karshkovia's entry into this fray

Switch me to Imperialists then.

No hard feelings? :$

Wow, how traitorous. Consider our MDP cancelled, our diplomatic ties severed, and you labelled as one of the worst traitors in Stoklomolvi history.

No OOC hard feelings, of course. :p

I feel pretty bad, OOCly. :(

ICly, my president doesn't want to be associated with communists. :tongue:

That's understandable, considering that you're just about to be invaded by one. Also, your post assumes that nobody on the communist side would find it suspicious that you suddenly withdraw all of your men from everywhere, and you automatically assume that you can leave. Nope.

I was expecting your communists to ask what the hell was going on as my guys were getting on the ships.

Or go against your region mates and Fedala Accords members. That would look bad.

They wouldn't let you leave. :P

They won't let me leave? :eek2: Then I look forward to your response. :D

I feel pretty bad, OOCly. :(

ICly, my president doesn't want to be associated with communists. :tongue:

Well, you just lost face with Emperor Jonas Listless, however, when word leaks out to the newspapers, of his support of the Communist Faction in this incident, which should happen soon, when irradiated Beatusian troops come home with stories to tell, as they die of cancer. On the other point, you have gained respect with Jeff Melton, and Jimmy Burch, the leaders of the Government in Exile, who may retake their positions as actual leaders following the upcoming war. Also, should word leak out in the Beatus, of the support of the Communists before the Beatusian troops come home, they would be stranded, and cut off from further supplies from the Beatus, as the nation descends into civil war, leaving them to continue to fight, though for which side, is still unclear. Jeff Melton, is in Stoklomolvi, and he may be able to convince them to aide the liberals.

The irony of Jeff's support is that he's in Vladistov under watch by communists all the time. He can't do anything about the liberals, since even the slightest implication that he does not support the communist would earn him a trip to the firing range. :p

The irony of Jeff's support is that he's in Vladistov under watch by communists all the time. He can't do anything about the liberals, since even the slightest implication that he does not support the communist would earn him a trip to the firing range. :p

Well than, should the civil war occur, and should forces loyal to the Melton regime be able to contact Beatusian Forces in Stoklomolvi, than those forces may take on the mission of rescuing Jeff Melton. Many may still be loyal to the Melton regime. Now the worst thing that could happen, for you, would be for Jonas Listless to die, at the hands of a faction other than that of the Melton supporters, as many were okay with Melton, and only prefered Jonas, because he was the son of Edwardo, so if he were to die, unless he was killed by forces working for Melton, most if not all of the Jonas supporters would switch over to support Melton. On a final point, if this war happens, and the Beatusian troops are still in Stoklomolvi, fighting, would it be acceptable, for the forces to be as split as those at home, and separate, joining separate factions in your civil war? Basically, since they cannot fight their civil war in the Beatus, they will fight it in your nation, supporting the faction in your war, that is most closely related to their own ideology. If this is okay, it would make on great story for the history books. :D

That would be pretty amazing. :D A civil war within a civil war. Whoo!

Beatusians and Stoklomolvi fighting other Beatusians and Stoklomolvi. That's...pretty strange, yet awesome. :p

That would be pretty amazing. :D A civil war within a civil war. Whoo!

Beatusians and Stoklomolvi fighting other Beatusians and Stoklomolvi. That's...pretty strange, yet awesome. :p

So that's an okay to do it? Also, I have figured out the series of events that will run-up to the civil war. Will set in motion tomorrow.

Yeah, that's perfectly fine. In fact, if you're having a civil war, I encourage it. More chaos.

I'll be having a somewhat busy weekend, I'll have a response for Vietnam on Saturday, if that's okay with him.

MUN tomorrow, and I will reply today.

Wait. What are you talking about when you say the Liberals were beaten? The entire city is Fascist controlled??

The liberal garrison was supposed to be the fascist garrison. Bah, never write RP when you're writing a position paper. Ah, MUN was good.

The Fascist garrison? There's no Fascist troops other than the ones I've trained/ing, and those are in the center-most of the city. And the Fascist that are being sent out are in support of Cnian troops, so I don't see why they would just up and run when they're surrounded by professional troops.

Fascist garrison does not necessarily mean fascist troops. They're the garrison of the city; they're citizens sympathetic to the fascists who took up arms against the communists. Their morale broke and they ran away. Simple enough.

Simple, perhaps. But Cnian troops are surrounding the entire city, just because they broke wouldn't mean that section broke because my troops would still be guarding that position.

Ah well. Still, fleeing soldiers would definitely lower the morale of other soldiers, unless they're "blood-thirsty, crazed, fanatical, cannibalistic supermen who use M60s in both hands with no trouble." Nod.

*Looks to GWO*

Stok, I will be pulling out of this altogether, due to political problems this will cause for my upcoming presidential election, and for numerous other things.

(RL too. I have internet problems, like getting online at the wrong time.)

I will post one last time, though I have almost no chance at this: 1 million guys versus 90,000 Greali troops.

I thought you had more men. Hm.

The only reason I'm having this civil war is because I'm far too busy to maintain an active NS profile until after my junior year. After this civil war, I'm going to sink into forum inactivity, as I'll be working. After the year's end, or during vacation breaks, I'll be back.

Post coming tomorrow seeing as Cotland has neglected posting.

Seeing as this RP is falling apart, and seeing that GWO is not posting, I'd recommend we find a way to finish this.

Well I can expedite my post from a landing post to assuming that already happened and me pushing against Communist lines.

Akimonad, assume that you landed in Cottish-held liberal territory.

Okey dokey.

Stoklomolvi, in regard to your last post you talked about my unnamed town and both of my posts said something about a town named minska, but I changed it to Bravstok so that people would not get mixed up with Minsk. You also said that I killed the local pastor when I said he was a communist leader who attended the church so i edited my post again to add the word attendee to make it clear. I can totally understand someone chasing us, but the citizens who had just gotten out of church had K98 rifles ready to fire? please make sure you read my posts in entirety before you reply or ask me questions thanks

Oh, I have 120,000 men. (Four divisions), not 90,000. But they still have almost no chance.

Greal, they're policemen. They may be trained, but their not regulars.

Southern Hexagon, there's a law in Stoklomolvi where you must own a weapon of calibre 5.56mm or higher. The K98 is a suitable weapon, being a 7.62mm. Also, the citizens who got out of the church were not the ones who fired the weapons; people at home, who noticed that you killed the bodyguards who live in the village and would be their friends and family, would shoot at you. I would too if I saw my friend get shot in front of me.

ok that clears up the gun part Stoklomolvi thanks

Greal, they're policemen. They may be trained, but their not regulars.


I thought they were KGB agents or something. Though a million agents....

...all in the same city would be the dumbest idea ever. But I even have a post in my news thread about it; the SMPF was turned into the KGB. By the way, for all of you who did not know, SMPF was supposed to rhyme with the French SNCF.

Stok, I understand you're need to finish the rp, but there are many liberties that you have taken which can not be allowed. When your troops stormed Iran, it is very unrealistic to assume they would just roll over my 80,000 men in the area like that, whom are dug in and supported by heavy artillery and aircraft. My men would at the minimum be able to conduct a delaying operating to allow the Lyrans to arrive in force. At best they could easily repel such an attack.

The simple fact is, I am now landing millions of troops in Ukraine, while Lyras is landing millions in Iran. I think that's its pretty clear who's going to come out on top.

Perhaps we can work on a power sharing deal so that we can all be happy and end this roleplay successfully.