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8255TH STOKLOMOLVI CIVIL WAR

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The civil war had finally spread to international proportions. States across Stoklomolvi were declaring independence, ideologies spreading wide across the political spectrum. The independent states to the south gave support to the variety of factions in Stoklomolvi. Most of the land in Stoklomolvi, however, was still controlled by the conservatives, who sought to beat out all of the new states that had formed. Many feared foreign invaders, though it was inevitable that some form of international power would arrive and support one of the factions, decisively altering the outcome of the civil war. Only time will tell what type of new state will emerge.

FACTION DETAIL
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg/25px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png COMMUNISTS
The base faction of the Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi, the Communists, seeks to reunify the once glorious nation under its former communist rule, albeit with a new ruler from the same Stuyonovich regime. Under the conservative Communists, nothing would really change. The majority, or 2.3 billion of the population, seek this outcome.
Supporters - Currently CLOSED to new supporters
- Aissur
- Bushdome
- Cazelia
- Chernobl
- Chernobyl-Pripyat
- Greal
- Imbrinium
- Rotum Solum [Minor, minor support]
- The Beatus
- The Royal-Union

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg/25px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png SOVIETS
A new faction, with support from the World Soviet Party, has risen from absolutely nothing. Currently, they have over 52 million supporters, and are recognised by only the liberals and imperialists. The Stoklomolvi Protectorate of Soviet Republik has claimed that this "Soviet Faction" is a fraud, though the faction is rapidly gaining support from liberal defectors.
Supporters
- The World Soviet Party
- Kronstadtia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Flag_of_Burundi.svg/25px-Flag_of_Burundi.svg.png CENTRALS
A new faction, risen out of the nothingness by the Totalitarian State of Red Tide, has declared independence. The faction, which gained many initial supporters, slowly was run into the ground due to the lack of directions from the Red Tide. This faction no longer exists.
Supporters
- Red Tide

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Flag_of_Russia.svg/25px-Flag_of_Russia.svg.png LIBERALS
The liberals, who could be said to have been the instigators of the civil war, seek a democratic, capitalist approach to the new Stoklomolvi state, which would be called the Federal Dominion of Stoklomolvi. At least 200 million demand this liberal outcome, stating that only through "cooperation, tolerance, equality, human rights, and freedom" can Stoklomolvi truly become the glorious nation that everyone wants. The liberal faction is slowly declining and may lose the civil war.
Supporters - Currently CLOSED to new supporters
- 1010102 (Binaria)
- Akimonad
- Alliance Star [Minimal]
- Cotland
- East Laos
- Etoile Arcture
- Fanrai
- Franberry
- Il Korea
- Leistung
- Oseato
- Pictland
- Praetonia
- Sarrowquand
- Yanis [Supplies]
- Zinaire

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Flag_of_Germany_1933.svg/25px-Flag_of_Germany_1933.svg.png FASCISTS
The fascists have around 150 million supporters, though they claimed to have a large land area. Fascists throughout Stoklomolvi have banded and are being increasingly successful in the reunification, though the communists are menacing on all sides. Still, supported heavily by several states, the fascists have become more powerful. Eventually, they would have to change their war flag, deemed to be tasteless by all.
Supporters
- Buddha C
- East Laos [Secretly supplying supplies]
- The Grand World Order
- Thrashia
- Vetalia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Romanov_Flag.svg/25px-Romanov_Flag.svg.png IMPERIALISTS
The pure traditionalists from the seventeenth century demand the return to the old days of the Stoklomolvi Empire, in which the Emperor ruled as the supreme ruler over all with few members of government. While largely ignored, being a relatively calm faction that does not seek to attack anybody, they still have the chance of returning Stoklomolvi back to the old empire. The imperialists are collapsing. The imperialists have over 90 million members.
Supporters
- Angenteria
- Fanrai
- Lyras
- Southern Hexagon
- The PeoplesFreedom
- The Scandinvans
- Uiri
- Vietnam Empire

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All cities marked on the map are landmark cities to show relative locations.
Red - Communists/conservatives
Blue - Capitalists/liberals
Grey - Fascists
Yellow - Imperialists
Dark Red - Soviet faction
Black - Region/Asian states

RULES
- No using strategic nuclear weapons.
- Unconventional warfare, such as guerilla or chemical, can and will be used.
- I will control each faction.
- All landings will arrive from the west.
- You may join if you ask me first. If you do not ask, either via TG or post, then you will be ignored from this thread.
- If nobody joins, then this thread will basically be a story thread.
- Pay attention to your military spending, logistics, and manpower. If you use up all of your army in Stoklomolvi, then that would be rather sad, would it not?
- You control the fate of Stoklomolvi.

IC THREAD: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=565999

OOC: Is it alright if I send some special operators in support of the liberals? *feels like Woodrow Wilson*

OOC:May I join?

OOC: Can i join also?

May The Federation of Oseato send forces to support the Liberals?

[OOC: Oo, instant interest.
Zinaire, you may join with an IC post when ready.
Chernobl, you may join on the side which you choose.
Cripistan, you may join on the side which you choose.
Oseato, you may join with an IC post when ready.]

OOC:Stomoklovi, if I were you I would avoid the Swastika. Use this instead: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3278/2415615932_6a15d1dd47.jpg?v=0

[OOC: I know, I know, but the Imperial German war flag is not exactly fascist, either. I want something that will repulse the general public yet entice the real fascists out there, like GWO. Of course, I will not be using that later on...]

OOC:Yeah, just dont want you to get in trouble lol

OOC: Yanitaria will provide weapons for the liberals, but will not be directly involved.

[OOC: As discussed. Welcome, Yanis.]

(OOC: Can I join? Perhaps supporting the Imperialists?)

*grins* Can I join? I'd support either the Fascists or the Imperialists...

[OOC: Agenteria, you may post when ready.
Thrashia...which one would you want to support? The fascists are on the verge of collapse, but are still holding on. With your support, they could live...the imperialists are truly the neutral party. They don't care about this "petty civil war."]

Then I'll choose the underdog.

[OOC: Go ahead and post when you're ready. The RP will begin with the first IC post by anybody.]

OOC: May I support an "independent" faction? As in raising one that matches my interests.

OOC: Can I just cause chaos and sell weapons to everyone?

OOC: Mind if I join, on the side of the liberals? I'd probably avoid an open declaration, but maybe military advisers, special forces, arms, etc...

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l151/UEF-Hokie/oseatonews.gif
Oseaton Broadcast News

"Recently civil strife in the Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi recently exploded into full out civil war. The situation had been monitored here in Oseato and the government recently released a statement in support of the liberal faction that is currently engaged in the civil war.

More recently The Federation of Oseato has pledged to send in the 1st and 2nd Shock Armies as well as the 1st Fleet to support Liberal operations off the coast of Taipei. General Hamilton, President of the Federation, released this statement.

A video feed of General Hamilton is shown.

'The time has come for the final chapter of the communist rule of Stoklomolvi to be written. No longer will their tyranny be afflicted on the people of that great country. The Federation of Oseato fully supports the Liberals now fighting in Stoklomolvi and will do everything in their power to assure that a democratic government is installed in that country. That concludes my statement.'

The feed ended and the news anchor in the studio reappeared on the screen.

Please stay with us as the situation develops."

[OOC: TWSP: I suppose, though expect everyone to be hostile towards it at the beginning.
Tolvan, no, you may not. You have to choose a side.
Leistung, yes you may join on the liberals. Yes, we will declare war on you if we ever find out.]

OOC: Giving freedom a chance, however small it is, huh? Also, may I join in. Don;t be surprised if I drop of the face of the earth randomly though, that seems to happen a lot to me.

[OOC: RL prevails. Binaria, supporting the liberals? Go ahead.]

OOC: Between Commies, Nazis, and Imperialists, I'll take liberals anyday.

EDIT: Stoki, you got any IM service? I've got something to talk to you about.

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TO: [Open Communique]
FROM: Alexander Nevskij, Minister of Foreign Affairs, The World Soviet Party

The sovereign nation of Stoklomolvi has fallen into disarray, it's former political organization, a communist dominion, has proved to be ineffective and has failed to fulfill it's duties to it's people.

Therefore, and taking into consideration the current situation, it is with sorrow that the Socialist States of The World Soviet Party must intervene to, once again, restore order and peace in far away lands.

As of today, the Soviet embassy in the Stoklomolvi capitol city, has been declared a safe haven for any refugees wanting to escape the nation. Furthermore, it will also become the general headquarters of the Soviet Expeditionary Force to the region and will help, aid, arm and train any Stoklomolvi citizen willing to join us in our triumphant march towards victory, peace and stability.

Signed,
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x204/Sgt-Alex/NevskijSignature.png
Alexander Nevskij, Minister of Foreign Affairs, The World Soviet Party.

OOC:

DOO DEE DEE DOO

YOU OBTAINED NEW FACTION !

NEW FACTION HAS BEEN ADDED TO YOUR INVENTORY!

STOKLOMOLVI USED IDENTIFY SCROLL ON NEW FACTION !

NEW FACTION IS NOW SOVIET FACTION !

STATS:
+1 Awesomeness
+1 Freedom
+1 Liberty
+1 Win

OOC: May we set up a few humanitarian war shelters. They would also be unofficialy be collaborating with foreign powers.


Also would this quick and basic job suit your flag needs?
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff335/Sarrowquand/rosflagdfa.png

OOC: I would be interested in sending special forces to monitor the situation and make contact with the Liberals. I would also be happy to coordinate with Zinaire and Sarrowquand if either/both of you are OK with that.

OOC: It should be fairly obvious who I want to support.

My country is ICly fully prepared to go to all-out war. We're not going to beat around the bush with special ops or anything. :P

OOC: It should be fairly obvious who I want to support.

My country is ICly fully prepared to go to all-out war. We're not going to beat around the bush with special ops or anything. :P

[OOC: Same, although given that I'm RP-ing with a population of 131 million, all out war from my side isn't exactly crushing. Will obviously land in the liberal zone to the east and establish a front line or something in that manner, and begin air-dropping supplies to fascist forces just to mix it up a little. For the most part however, I will basically be following Aki's lead. I'm aiming for quality over quantity post-wise as I hoped to achieve in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=563482) thread, so will not be posting every day, likely just a couple give or take one a week. Also I'm really rather busy in RL at the moment with work and friends et cetera, so that might further hamper my commitment. Lastly, my Mac is literally dying on me, having already deleted all my system preferences amongst more, so like Binaria, I may just disappear off of the face of the NSearth.

Also might I recommend you rename this as an "OOC" thread, and sort out an IC thread when the sides are all prepared? You'd undoubtedly require an OOC thread for something like this anyway.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and where are your separatist factions? Also I'm sure Hong Kong wouldn't mind being liberal rather than stuck with the rest of commie china :P]

OOC: May I join supporting the Imperialists, Stoklomolvi?

[OOC:So many sides to choose from, I will probably support the Commies, as the majority of the people support this. Either that or the Liberals. Will decide later.]

OOC: May I join? If so, I'll be helping the Liberals. But secrectly I'll supply the Facists with weapons, and I mean heavy weapons.

I'd like to support the communists.

(OOC: Any short-term involvement for an embassy nation defending the embassy or something? I've got my own ideas for a thread soon, but I won't mind adding a different viewpoint to the thread, however short it may be)

Yeah, this is going to be OOC.

TWSP, in an official communique I would recommend using the correct demonym.
Sarrowquand, go ahead.
Aki, I am very divided over letting you in. Your history just shows nothing.
Picts, you can join, though you may have to join without Aki. I'm still thinking about him. About Hong Kong, there was no foreign power that seized it in Stoklomolvi. It's actually one of the more loyal communist strongholds.
Uiri, you may. It is good to have one person supporting.
Soviet Aissur, you can join if you help the Communists. We already have too many liberal supporters.
East Laos, you can try to help the fascists. It will be difficult, though.
TRU, go ahead and join.
Antigr, go ahead and join as an embassy defender. Probably not really going to work, since your embassy is in a room in a communist controlled compound.

TO ALL:
You can only land in the west. Probably did not make that clear. Alfegos knows about the India thing; just know that everything east of Pakistan resembles RL Asia, only at a much, much, MUCH larger scale. I would recommend at least reading the geography part of my factbook in the "important" part of my signature.

Yeah, this is going to be OOC.

TWSP, in an official communique I would recommend using the correct demonym.
Sarrowquand, go ahead.
Aki, I am very divided over letting you in. Your history just shows nothing.
Picts, you can join, though you may have to join without Aki. I'm still thinking about him. About Hong Kong, there was no foreign power that seized it in Stoklomolvi. It's actually one of the more loyal communist strongholds.
Uiri, you may. It is good to have one person supporting.
Soviet Aissur, you can join if you help the Communists. We already have too many liberal supporters.
East Laos, you can try to help the fascists. It will be difficult, though.
TRU, go ahead and join.
Antigr, go ahead and join as an embassy defender. Probably not really going to work, since your embassy is in a room in a communist controlled compound.

TO ALL:
You can only land in the west. Probably did not make that clear. Alfegos knows about the India thing; just know that everything east of Pakistan resembles RL Asia, only at a much, much, MUCH larger scale. I would recommend at least reading the geography part of my factbook in the "important" part of my signature.
Do you have any IM service? I have a proposal that might be of interest to you.

I'm all the sudden hesitant about this--there are upwards of 15 people in this already, and that could prove difficult to RP. Then again, your country is quite large, so maybe it'll be okay. What do you think Stok?

Hey, no matter how many soldiers you send, unless you send your entire country you're not going to be able to occupy over 1 billion sq km of land. It's fine, though overwhelming support for the liberals shows that some...actions must be taken.

MSN: crossbowman518@hotmail.com

It's fine, though overwhelming support for the liberals shows that some...actions must be taken.

Dude nobody actually likes commies, that's why :P

OOC list of each faction's foreign supporters and their intended actions (supplying, reinforcing) etc. plz.

Anybody I missed? Speak up if I did miss you.

OOC:
Hmm... who to support...

The Fascists? Nah, too nazi-esque. The Imperialists? Maybe, although they might not be the kind of people Red Tide would support. Or should I annex Taiwan and use it as a base in the region?

Decisions, decisions...

If you annex Taiwan, then I can assure you that I will remove the no nuclear weapons rule. But then, I don't have to let you do that.

Recommend making your own faction to suit your needs, I do.

[OOC: Would like support Liberals. Also, are civilian flights still flying over the nation?]

Ah, hell with it.

I'll take another glance at the map and then either create my own faction or support the Imperialists.

Civilian flights are not flying to or from Stoklomolvi. Any aircraft are currently being shot down on all sides.

Ah, almost forgot. The Siberian Natives, now numbering in the billions for some reason, could use support too. They hate everyone and just want their own state.

OOC: I'd like to join up in support of the Liberals please.

With the 'map-glancing' done, I would like to create my own faction. Call it the Central Faction.

Officially, the Central Faction wants too establish a very-powerful, highly-centralised government. It's official economic policies are a mix of a lightly regulated-free market economy (for most consumer goods) and a hardline state-planned economy (for everything else).

In reality, however, the faction is merely a puppet for the Totalitarian State of Red Tide.

Added to list. Welcome.

Red Tide, your "puppet country" is essentially the current Communist government. It produces everything people needs while allowing private enterprise for random crap like guns and soil. But, I'll add you to the list. Every new faction starts empty.

Added to list. Welcome.

Red Tide, your "puppet country" is essentially the current Communist government. It produces everything people needs while allowing private enterprise for random crap like guns and soil. But, I'll add you to the list. Every new faction starts empty.

The difference between the Central Faction and your nations government is that in the Central Faction, the private enterprises* produces everything the people need(based on supply & demand, as usual) and the government produces everything it and the military needs.

*In this case, however, the private enterprises in question would be near-exclusively Red Tidean or Stoklomolvi. Exceptions might be made for Red Tide friendly nations.

What flag off the Wikipedia do you want for now? Has to be shrunk to 25px.

I just went through wikipedia and I am kind-of liking the flag for Burundi(the one with three stars)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Burundi

So lets go with that for now...

Antigr, go ahead and join as an embassy defender. Probably not really going to work, since your embassy is in a room in a communist controlled compound.

Thought that wouldn't work. Well, we'll see what happens, then.

If I may have permission to join, minimally in support of the Liberals.

What's the correct demonym?

What's the correct demonym?

Correct demonym for what?

Alliance Star, you may join on the liberals. I will add you to the list.
TWSP, the correct demonym may be found in my signature.
Red Tide, added a snippet about your faction.
Antigr, what exactly do you want to support? Perhaps you could make your own faction. Right now, the war is on "pause."

Quick question.

Is your entire nation an island? Is it part of a fictional landmass? Or is it actually RL former USSR+East Asia+South Asia?

EDIT: Nevermind, found the answer on wikistates...

Il Korean News Network

The channel played the usual commercials circulating over and over again as the news station went on its usual commercial breaks. The day had started off rather quiet, with the usual talks of the stock market, weather, and some up and coming political elections.

A commercial advertising investment in gold was playing when it was immediately interrupted.

The screen returned to the news reporter who began talking.

"We have some breaking news for our viewers. It seems that the nation of Stokmolovi has broken out in a civil war with numerous factions forming all over the vast country. The President has in fact decided to support the Liberal Faction, in hopes of bringing freedom to the citizens of Stokmolovi."

The screen flipped to a video of a large Naval Expeditionary Group.

"The President has authorized the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force, which is comprised of the 2nd Marine Division, the 2nd and 3rd Airwings, and the 2nd Marine Logistics Group. The Navy has provided its 2nd Fleet to help provide further air support as well."

As the news aired, the Marines began their preparations for the campaign. The 2nd MEU, that was currently out at sea was ordered to begin traveling towards the western portion of Stokmolovi. Along with the 2nd MEU, the 2nd Marine Special Operations Battalion and the Army's 3rd Special Forces Group were also called up to perform reconnaissance operations within the country.

Il Korea...

This is an Sign-Up/OOC thread.

OOC: Red Tide....

The title of this thread never stated it was OOC. Also, I believe there was another person who posted IC earlier in the thread, so please don't just criticize me if that's what you had in mind. Thank You.

This is OOC. I posted a post earlier stating that the thread would be considered OOC for the time being, but the title has not been edited yet. Sorry for any confusion.

May i join as a supporter for the communist faction?

Sure thing. Added to list.

Thanks for that, and is there a link to the actuall thread itself?

sorry for being a pain

[OOC: Which side is supported/supported by Commissar Nikolay Alexeiovich Stuyonovich? Also, where is the Commissar?]

The current Commissar, Nikolay, is a supporter of the Liberals, surprisingly. But as expected, Alexei, the entire military, and all of the police are in the conservative camp. Meaning over 340 million armed and trained men.

The actual thread is not up yet.

The current Commissar, Nikolay, is a supporter of the Liberals, surprisingly. But as expected, Alexei, the entire military, and all of the police are in the conservative camp. Meaning over 340 million armed and trained men.

The actual thread is not up yet.

Is Alexei the leader of the Communist Faction? Also where is Nikolay, I would assume if he was in the Capital, he would have been captured by the Communists, or close to being so, right? Or is the capital in Liberal territory, it's hard to tell, right on the line like that.

Put me under supporting the communists.

Vladistov is currently a warzone between the communists and liberals. Alexei and Nikolay, who are father and son, are duelling with sabres in the television tower in the centre of Vladistov. Baw, a reference to Star Wars :P . Alexei is the leader of the Communists, correct.

Chernobl added.

Okay, then, I may be laying a foundation for my own civil war here, but we're going to have to support Alexei. We will attempt to make that clear, we are supporting the man, not his ideology. Many aren't going to be happy with this choice, but either way, some people would be upset, unless of course we supported the Fascist Faction, then everyone would be upset. So, put us under the communist list, the relationship between Edwardo and Alexei surviving long after Edwardo's death, in the harts and minds of 35% of a nation, and their Emperor.

Jeff Melton is probably in mortal danger.

So be it. May the Beatus be stable forever. Thank you, says Alexei.

So you'll place the IC thread later?

Jeff Melton is probably in mortal danger.

So be it. May the Beatus be stable forever. Thank you, says Alexei.

Where would Jeff Melton be exactly?

Aki, I am very divided over letting you in. Your history just shows nothing.

And that means...?

And that means...?

He means he's not sure if you'd be a good placement as part of the rp; ie. you might just not have the experience and/or positive aspects that he's looking for in a rp'er.

But then again that's just my conjecture.

I know that. He seems to be implying a hidden meaning.

And I'm fairly certain I have more experience than the '08s he's let in.

I've thought all morning about letting you in Aki. Binaria and I have largely separated after the fall of EA, and now we have agreed that we should let our past slide and we have thought of a basic path for an RP. Aki, you on the other hand, consistently pester me purely for being communist. In reality, our nations are similar like no other. I have reached a decision.

You may enter.

Il Korea, for the sake of your nation, I suggest you change from Liberal to Imperialist.

Stok - Could I land in 'Iran'?

Actually, I wanted to ask the same thing...

So what do you think?

Well, we should clearly co-ordinate in that case. I have a rather large land force with a smaller air force and a smaller navy. If you could provide air support and we could co-ordinate our navies. Sound good, Angenteria?

Can I join on the side of the Liberals?

It would be a bit difficult, since you have to navigate through the completely ice-filled waters of southern Novus Universitas, but once you actually reach the coast it's connected to the warm water coast of "India."

Cotland, you will be one of the last supporters for the liberals. Welcome.

Well, we should clearly co-ordinate in that case. I have a rather large land force with a smaller air force and a smaller navy. If you could provide air support and we could co-ordinate our navies. Sound good, Angenteria?

Sounds fine, but let me commit some of my own ground forces as well. I intend to commit at least one regiment.

TO ALL:

I will be gone for the next few hours to do stuff. When I return, IC will begin.

No problem.

If I may, I would like to render what assistance I am able to the Liberals.

Praetonia would not be on an all-out war footing by any means - at the beginning, mostly international brigades with little direct government assistance.

pip pip volunteer cavalry rides in support of the liberals!

Quite possibly attached to Akimonadi contingent, with little direct Franberrian government support.

It would be a bit difficult, since you have to navigate through the completely ice-filled waters of southern Novus Universitas, but once you actually reach the coast it's connected to the warm water coast of "India."

Cotland, you will be one of the last supporters for the liberals. Welcome.

If I may, I would like to render what assistance I am able to the Liberals.

Praetonia would not be on an all-out war footing by any means - at the beginning, mostly international brigades with little direct government assistance.

pip pip volunteer cavalry rides in support of the liberals!

Quite possibly attached to Akimonadi contingent, with little direct Franberrian government support.

OK? OK.

Stok - What about coming from the south? Is that possible?

Angenteria - clearly. The bulk will be Uir but obviously you will be commiting some ground forces like I will be commiting some air forces.

Angenteria - clearly. The bulk will be Uir but obviously you will be commiting some ground forces like I will be commiting some air forces.

Works for me.

k, good. Now we wait for Stok to start teh IC and for Il Korea to come over to our side.

Join ussss.

OK? OK.

What part of "one of the last" is confusing you?

Aki, you on the other hand, consistently pester me purely for being communist. In reality, our nations are similar like no other. I have reached a decision.

You may enter.

How dus i e-drama? :rolleyes:
Are you actually a communist or are you confusing Stoklomolvi with yourself?

Please let Prae and Fran in. This could really use a few more experienced and quality RP-ers to balance out the newer folk. Plus I <3 Prae, Fran and Cot :3

[EDIT: Why can't we land in the east again? As I'm presuming the east to be the closest to Haven. Also what is the deal with your land as I'm afraid I could not locate the information as TSRT did, perhaps due to a lack of time.]

Stoklomolvi's factbook can be found through his signature, but I will post it here.

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Stoklomolvi

OK? OK.
"Cotland, you will be one of the last supporters for the liberals. Welcome."

lol?

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Don't worry that it would unbalance the thing - the Praetonian state would not dedicate even 10% of its military resources to this. For the first few months, the state will do nothing at all.

Prae and Fran both have good reputations and are quite experienced. Both are accepted. Besides, I was planning on this outcome.

Picts, I was referring to my nation. In reality, I am an apathetic agnostic. I don't care much for politics.

NU is presumed to be far, far, far to the east of everything. It's difficult to move in or out of the region, but it's not bad.

NO MORE LIBERAL SUPPORT. That clear enough for you now?

EDIT: How do you guys want to start?

If not for the sane cautious "overthrow one Soviet/Fascist/Capitalist Pig at a time" IC policy of the Confederacy, which basically translates into "Whenever possible, avoid more than a single front and than a single war", I would join. Should this still be going on after I finish the long-termed "Fall Schwarz", I'll certainly come in for the warm beer and cold BBQ of the party.

Could you reserve an "Anarchists" faction? It will only happen for real once they mobilize their own People's War, which will not be anytime soon.

Also, I logically no longer expect Stoklomolvi to bring support to Soviet Spain. A part of me is glad, while another is disappointed because it'll be less challenging.

Soviet Spain will still receive aid from the completely unaffected colonies, which still function in their own rights. They still maintain large militaries and populations. And you cannot attack them from this thread. I rule it so.

An anarchist faction may appear soon. Who knows? It's a very crazy war.

Any ideas for a starting post? The moment anybody stars a thread with the title, Stoklomolvi Civil War [Closed, MT], the RP will begin.

[OOC:Jesus, liberals have many many supporters. I would, but the majority of Stok's population supports commies.]

Stok, I'll have a post up within the hour on the beginning of aid for the fascists. Who is the leader of the Fascist faction btw?

I thought about that for a long, long time. I thought about Hitler, then I decided that it would be too silly.

Konstantin Vladimirovich Rodzaevsky is the name.

Why not Josef Tiso?

Cause, Konstantin is the leader of the RL Russian Fascist Party. Thought it was fitting :P

Was I accepted? Because, I'm not on the list on the front page.

AS, you were accepted, but I just forgot to put you on the list. Updated.

Is the thread already started or can I make it?

[OOC:Make it and link it here.]

is it ok if volunteers and paramilitaries from my country support the communists?

IL KOREA - For the sake and security of your nation, change your support to the imperialists. If you don't I have no choice but to expel you from OSAFU.

UIRI - Are you threatening me and my nation? Just because you made up who you chose doesn't mean I can't choose who I want to back.

Prae and Fran both have good reputations and are quite experienced. Both are accepted. Besides, I was planning on this outcome.
Thank you very much for your permission. I must admit I was confused for a second as to whether or not I was in, until I noticed that I had been seemingly banned by someone who was not the OP and did not properly understand grammar anyways.

Except my contingent to be rather small in any case.

http://http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14010602#post14010602

Here's the IC thread

Chernobyl-Pripyat, that should be fine.

Uiri, if you're going to bully around other players because of their choice, then I will be forced to expel you. Play fair.

Is the IC thread made by Il-Korea authorized? Or are you making one, Stok?

It is authorised. Let us begin!

Stok, is your entire nation an island, or are you connected to land at any point?

为什么你一定要问我这个问题呀？啊啊啊~

Can't you just look in my factbook or read the posts that I have constantly emphasised that I am connected to Novus Universitas and from Pakistan eastward RL Asia?

If it's not too late, the National Democratic Party of Vetalia (the ruling party of our country) will also be supporting the fascists alongside the Thrashians. We'll be organizing and dispatching the Tiger Legion volunteers (a la Condor Legion in the SCW) and their equipment to aid the fascists.

为什么你一定要问我这个问题呀？啊啊啊~

Can't you just look in my factbook or read the posts that I have constantly emphasised that I am connected to Novus Universitas and from Pakistan eastward RL Asia?

Aw, but that requires work...

Sorry, I will.

Vetalia accepted. Good to have some supporters of the underdog.

Do the fascist regions have a large Russian-speaking population? This might make our operations easier.

The fascist regions have relatively large Russian-speaking populations, but most of the people in those regions speak "Stoklomolvi," some language I made up that I have not written about yet.

So if I wanted to attack Muscovy (aid the Liberals under siege), I would attack via Novus Universitas? That's probably going to be problematic...

Any other possible routes of attack?

Well...there's...nope. You have to go through NU, though from there you can sail north or south.

Hm. So would I be declaring war on NU by sailing through there, or is that international water?

Well, NU is a region :/ . It's not like it's one entity. However, privateers commissioned by SOMEBODY might pose a problem. Not really, but yeah.

So...that's a no for attacking through Muscovy?

Stok, I think you overlooked Sarrowquand who requested to be listed as a supporter of the Liberals.

I'm getting an error every time I try to click the link to the thread.

Mind if I start my own little conservative capitalist faction?

Mind if I start my own little conservative capitalist faction?

If liberal left-ism caused this much of a stir in Stoklomolvi, I doubt they've even heard of capitalist conservatism. Stoklomolvi is an ex-hardline communist dictatorship, I doubt conservative capitalism has had a secret following of tens of millions who just happened to be in more or less the same are. But ultimately it's up to Stok.

But really though, is this whole Reagan/conservatism thing not just an attempt to fit in with the /d/ crowd?

Not particularly. My nation is being pulled more to the right to prepare for an upcoming change of my government into an authoritarian democracy.

In response to your post on page four, I think I'll leave it here. Starting my own faction would be the wrong thing to do, I was looking for a quick bit of RP. Since my embassy is in a communist-controlled compound, it looks like it won't happen - please keep me informed if you can. Thanks

Leichstur, you can attack Muscovy, but you'll just have to flatten everything to get to Muscovy.

Sarrowquand added.

Oseato, http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=565999, yes?

Cazelia, you may start your own faction as I said in the TG, but some factions will gain different supporters than others. Picts is correct; there is no way that anyone in Stoklomolvi is going to change directly into a pure USian democratic capitalistic state in a heartbeat, but will go from extreme authoritarian communism to liberal communism, and from there transfer to liberal capitalism. It's a slow process, but Nikolay made the grave mistake of doing it too quickly.

Antigr, perhaps in the future something can happen that will allow you to come back. I'll notify you, if you want.

Actually, I think I'll just scrap the idea of having my own faction. Mind if I just set up a few refugee camps and supply drop zones for civilians?

That would be fine as well, though you're going to have to actually get into Stoklomolvi first.

The link to the IC thread don't work for me, any other way of gettin to it?

It's on the front page right now.

Ok, I'm not Leichstur, but whatever :D

I'll just start landing military advisors and whatnot to the liberal forces in the west, unless you have any objections.

Fine with me. Sorry about the name confusion; I saw the name Leichstur too much :p .

Is it too late to join?

No, it's not too late, but a lot of slots are filled.

Well, my nation would be split over who to support....I guess splitting could help. Greal would support the capitalists, while Look Incorporated and the secret underground Greal Communist Party would support the communists.

This will lead to tension and in the end, another civil war in Greal (:D)

Oh dear...another Greali civil war?

I think you have it backwards...though I'm not accepting any more supporters for the liberals right now.

Oh dear...another Greali civil war?

I think you have it backwards...though I'm not accepting any more supporters for the liberals right now.

(My people are so unstable that a civil war can happen any day.)

Well, then Greal will have to support the communists since it is its faithful ally, and that is what clearly the majority of the people want.

UIRI - Are you threatening me and my nation? Just because you made up who you chose doesn't mean I can't choose who I want to back.

Then you have 12,000 troops and 7,500 planes on your back which you chose to let in.

Uiri, if you're going to bully around other players because of their choice, then I will be forced to expel you. Play fair.

I have troops and planes in his nation. I am trying to be as nice as I can about it but if he is supporting an enemy than what am I supposed to do? He sure as hell isn't an ally.

So be it. Added to the "ebil commie side."

Then you have 12,000 troops and 7,500 planes on your back which you chose to let in.



I have troops and planes in his nation. I am trying to be as nice as I can about it but if he is supporting an enemy than what am I supposed to do? He sure as hell isn't an ally.

That's funny since I never provided you with a map of my country....as was required.

Is there any cap on how many troops a nation can commit to the battle?

I was preparing to commit somewhere in the neighborhood of 170,000 ground troops and a fleet or two (to start), but I wanted to clear it with you first.

You can commit however many troops your nation can support. However, logistics will be very hard on you with increasing troop numbers.

[OOC:Very hard to get a high number of troops there. I am pretty close to him, and many pirates being payed by Aissur will be operating near Stok and in NU waters to disrupt Naval movements.]

Ach, now that Greal's began supporting the communist side, I'm pretty sure I'll have to watch his back. Add me to the communist side please.

(My people are so unstable that a civil war can happen any day.)

they all need white jackets and padded cell only it would cost too much

Done.

NO MORE COMMUNIST SUPPORTERS.

Right... I will be dropping into this not as a side supporter as such, but as an Alfegos concerned as to the the integrity of its airshipping routes (since, as we discussed, the routes over Stoklomolvi catch the high-altitude winds westward in the north, and eastward in the south. Having to divert the routes would hit trade to a massive area of the world, since journey times would have to be increased by weeks.
So, I'll be running the airshipping routes there, with additional convoy guards. Any factions wishing to try some air piracy, go ahead. Shooting them down will be no point because the crash will destroy all on board, which can amount to hundreds of millions of dollars worth.
Alright?

That's funny since I never provided you with a map of my country....as was required.

You can't avoid having my troops and such in your nation. I decided since you would probably be a closer ally than others that discussing the exact location would be beneficial. The map is not required, I didn't ask for a map from any of the first 5 people. I have those troops there because you agreed to let them in by joining OSAFU.

@ Stoklomolvi: I'm hoping to inject some political intrigue by keeping contacts between EA and the Liberals to secret back channel discussions. If Federation diplomats visit Lake Concordia they can conduct negotiations under the cover of EA and others providing humanitarian aid.

OOC: Did you get me in on supporting the communists?

You can't avoid having my troops and such in your nation. I decided since you would probably be a closer ally than others that discussing the exact location would be beneficial. The map is not required, I didn't ask for a map from any of the first 5 people. I have those troops there because you agreed to let them in by joining OSAFU.

Well you can remove me from OSAFU and you can pull your troops out of my country right now. Maybe you should check the thread I posted called Operation Home Defense.

To: Stokmolovi

I'm gonna keep in this campaign, I'm not pulling out yet.

Right then.

Imbrinium, I could have sworn that I added you already.

Il Korea, it's your decision, for it is your country.

Oh, I shall flood your nations with my troops in support of the Imperialists.

Right then. Added.

hey stok check your tg and tell me what you think

Where is a good place for Beatusian Forces to set up a base of operations?

The Finland/Northern Russia part.

I was thinking more along the lines of a city that it could be near. Also, could I get an estimate of about how many Beatusian nationals would be in Stoklomolvi at the onset of the war? I would think it would be high, given our two nation's close relations, proximity, and the lax travel laws.

Beatusian nationals are not as numerous as some of the resident ethnic groups, but are still numerous. They number around 100-120 million.

Beatusian nationals are not as numerous as some of the resident ethnic groups, but are still numerous. They number around 100-120 million.

Okay, so should be able to raise a decent fighting force, 250,000 men strong. Nothing really pretty, maybe some uniforms, a M14 or an AR-15A2 in their hands, and plenty of Ammo. Limited by equipment ships could carry. Do you think the communists could supply us with any weapons, for volunteers. They will most likely be more supportive than the regular troops, as they have chosen to live in Stoklomolvi under the previous regime, and therefore were most likely okay with it.

The communists are in control of most of the weapons factories in Stoklomolvi, so yes, volunteers could be equipped fairly quickly. However, supply lines are extremely long, so resources take enormous amounts of time to move around.

The communists are in control of most of the weapons factories in Stoklomolvi, so yes, volunteers could be equipped fairly quickly. However, supply lines are extremely long, so resources take enormous amounts of time to move around.

Okay than, plan B, we raise more troops, by taking weapons from soldiers who have been killed from other factions. Thus illuminating supply lines, take everything from the enemy, food, water, ammo. Helmets and body armor even. Best way to fight a war, as long as you are killing the enemy, your troops are well suppled.

That works too :P . Some of my weapons, such as the Type 8 SMG, have ammunition that is incompatible with any other weapon, so logistics cannot be improved there. However, all factions use the AK-47 and others, so this plan could work.

That works too :P . Some of my weapons, such as the Type 8 SMG, have ammunition that is incompatible with any other weapon, so logistics cannot be improved there. However, all factions use the AK-47 and others, so this plan could work.

Kill one solder who is alone, with a rock, sharpened stick, kitchen knife, or bear trap, take his weapon, you are now a solder in the service of the Beatusian Military, report to [such and such location] with your new rifle, and you will be integrated into a makeshift regiment to be deployed when needed. Minimal training will be needed, using a rifle is something that every Beatusian learns in High School, it's part of the required curriculum. And while we may not have any publicly funded schools, the Military enforces the laws that state, that every child must attend a school, and that every school must meet government mandated minimums, such as use of a rifle. See, we don't need to fund education, because the demand for it is so high, that the private sector sees a profit, and meets the demand. Demand being so high, because parents who do not send their child to school are executed. :D Pumping money into the military makes it easy to run a nation, and get the private sector to take care of everything :p

It looks like I'm going to get to pull a genocide on you commies. I like. :p

New flag for the fascists: Image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Flag_Schutzstaffel.svg).

Ermmm any other commies using chemical weapons?

I'm using them. Commies use it against the liberals, but the liberals don't use them because they feel that it is immoral.

I don't like the SS flag. The Nazi flag is the only famous symbol of fascism, but it's very controversial. The siegrunes are not nearly as famous. Thanks for trying, though.

I'm using them. Commies use it against the liberals, but the liberals don't use them because they feel that it is immoral.

I don't like the SS flag. The Nazi flag is the only famous symbol of fascism, but it's very controversial. The siegrunes are not nearly as famous. Thanks for trying, though.

So that means no chemical weapons for me? Damn it.

Also, interesting fact about the Siegrunes. Because the "ss" at the end of Kiss, on the Gemran CDs, the ss is written differently than it is else where.

I don't like the SS flag. The Nazi flag is the only famous symbol of fascism, but it's very controversial. The siegrunes are not nearly as famous. Thanks for trying, though.

"Only famous symbol of fascism"? Are you kidding me? The sigrunen are just as famous as the hakenkreuz. But at the same time are less controversial. If you want a more "pure" less "nazi" fascist symbol you might as well make the flag an image of the fascist lictoriae, from Italy, where Mussolini was making use of fascism when Hitler was still a paper-hanger!

The Tiger Legion uses its own banner in order to mark it as a unique force within the fascist cause. We, of course, are doing so to encourage ethnic Vetalians in the country to rise up and support the cause of their ethnic brethren.

Is there a large city in Western Stoklomolvi, where Beatusian Forces can set up a command center? We would be looking for a hotel, not to big, less than three stories, but very extravagant, we would of course pay the standard rate for every room in the hotel.

Muscovy, but it's still under siege. The only other large city in Western Stoklomolvi is Murmansk, though even then it's rather small. Vilnius could work, but at the moment its under siege by liberals.

Muscovy, but it's still under siege. The only other large city in Western Stoklomolvi is Murmansk, though even then it's rather small. Vilnius could work, but at the moment its under siege by liberals.

Okay, so than, Vilnius it will be, just going to need to break the siege. The Ambassador is already in the area, so he could have a staging point setup, in Kaunas maybe, a place where Beatusian nationals are being told to gather. The ships can make port at Klaipėda right? Then weapons can be quickly shipped to the waiting forces being mustered in Kaunas, and we can push to either break the siege of Vilnius, or temporarily overwhelm the liberals at one strategic point, to get forces into the city.

Yes, Клайпеда is an available dock, though it's smaller than Оулу, the main port. Клайпеда, of course, is closer, but landings could be rough due to liberal and imperialist influence in the area.

Don't forget Archangel...

Archangelsk is completely frozen for all of the year except July, when the pack ice becomes slush.

Archangelsk is completely frozen for all of the year except July, when the pack ice becomes slush.

That is why we have icebreakers :D

Hey, Stoklomolvi, are these people of yours bringing their own guns or not?

Of course. They all have cheap Type 8 SMGs, stats for which can be found in my storefront.

Of course. They all have cheap Type 8 SMGs, stats for which can be found in my storefront.

Good, because our weapons are low. The bad news is, casualties with the Stoklomolvi Irregulars will most likely be much higher than with Beatusian forces during the assault on the city. They are the ones who know the area best, and can best blend in, so they will be undertaking the most dangerous parts of the operation. Also, to prevent any kind of strife, the Beatusian and Stoklomolvi irregulars will be organized separately. Don't want our own people fighting each other over something trivial. So, I take it these Stoklomolvi will be under my control, right?

Correct. If one division is 10,000 men for simplicity, then you would have 200 Irr. Divisions at your disposal. You command them, correct.

I'm using them. Commies use it against the liberals, but the liberals don't use them because they feel that it is immoral.

Talk for yourself. I intend to make this war quite chemical.

About irregulars, would it be realistic for the Cottish army to recruit a bunch of them for "local guides" and other cannon fodder purposes?

Talk for yourself. I intend to make this war quite chemical.

About irregulars, would it be realistic for the Cottish army to recruit a bunch of them for "local guides" and other cannon fodder purposes?

I have pretty much the same question as Cotland here.

Im sending in around 15,000 troops where can i land/dock at?

I plan to recruit any ethnic Vetalians in to the Tiger Legion, so any breakdown of the ethnic situation in Stoklomolvi would be appreciated.

Bushdome, you can go to "Finland" and drop off your troops in Oulu.

Liberals in Stoklomolvi don't like chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. If you use them, they will not like you. Communists are more of the realists. They say that "ends justify the means."

Irregulars are more patriotic citizens who fight for something they believe in. The only reason that the Beatus gained irregulars is because the liberals flattened the city they were living in. If you want, you can try to recruit locals to help guide you.

Vetalia, just read my factbook. I don't believe that Vetalians live in Stoklomolvi, since in comparison to Vetalia Stoklomolvi is a pile of horseshit.

Thank you :)

oh have u got a map or somthing?

sorry again for being a pain...

...

Um, first page? Wikipedia? My factbook?

I need some kind of response to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14017461&postcount=56).

And, do you know Russian?

Sort of, not really. I can transliterate stuff to a certain extent. I'm fairly good at writing Chinese in comparison some here.

Also, as a side not and to help people understand whats what, maybe provide a translation below the name of "where" and when. That way people know its in "Kabul" and not something else. Nothing against using russian, its just that its simply confusing.

Good idea. I'll provide translations for locations underneath whatever I'm writing about.

Good idea. I'll provide translations for locations underneath whatever I'm writing about.

Yea, just like in your sig.

By the way can I start my own group that would support the interests of my nation? Any radical fronts that I can support?

The fascists are the most radical, if you want to support them. Map update soon.

Sorry nevermind...

You can form your own faction, I have no opposition to that. However, try to emulate one of the posts on the front page. A few sentences describing it, and a list of supporters.

What kind of equipment do the liberals and imperialists use? Just give me some idea.

All sides currently largely use items from my storefront and a small smidgen of NATO stuff.

Well, a power outage has delayed my posting, but I should have one up by tonight, if not tomorrow.

Just to say I'm still following the war, I'm just delaying my involvement a bit whilst I work out how to avoid loosing all my humanitarian aid shipments to AA fire and piracy.

i'll be out this weekend got to go play sniper with the unit this weekend. i'll write some posts and catch up hopefully.

Alrighty.

Note to all: the factions may now use strategic nuclear weapons on each other, but on nobody else and nobody else can. This does not limit tactical nuclear weapons.

Alrighty.

Note to all: the factions may now use strategic nuclear weapons on each other, but on nobody else and nobody else can. This does not limit tactical nuclear weapons.

When did that option become available? More accurately, who caused it to become available?

Greal's invasion of a very weak imperialist state that owned almost nothing incited it to deal damage with nukes. One of the two nukes flattened Muscovy. I can only use limited nuclear weapons on the factions, and vice versa. It's more of a "spice" sort of thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon

Il Korea, that is a tactical nuke.

Sorry about overstepping the bounds with the bomber thing, but I figured there was, really, nothing that could be done to stop a B-2. And you keep bringing up your AA capabilities, etc. As I argued before, nothing is going to be as effective now during this civil war as it would have been under a single unified government...

I never argued the fact that everything is in chaos, for everything is indeed in chaos. There are constant skirmishes between all factions, though that does not mean that the command structure has collapsed. Remember that the entire military and police forces, which constitute over 340 million manpower, are under command of the communists, though they are largely inactive. And yes, I do have AA capabilities, however ineffective they are.

I am not against your launching of nukes. The only thing that I have a problem with is not agreeing on something first. You just appeared completely undetected and launched nukes, which is godmodding. At least give me a chance to respond.

That argue part was from the MSN conversation we had. And thank you for your levity in light of the circumstance.

I can barely remember what I did in CompSci today, much less what we talked about over MSN. I would very much appreciate it if you could rewrite the bomber portion of your post so that I actually have something to respond to.

Consider it changed.

Thank you. Expect a savoury post coming up.

If you want me to remove the nuke part, then I can resort to tactics that are more...even(?) in terms that you'd have a better chance to retaliate against than B-2 stealth bombers wielding nuclear warheads.

While you can do that, I wouldn't mind either way.

Korea, you godmoded. Simple. You said that you instantly appeared in my "main operations centre" and blew it up with a dirty bomb. You could have sent a B2 bomber like Thrashia did, you could have just sent waves of infantry, or just given me something to respond to with your secret agents. You had no detail in your post describing them at all. You did not specify what equipment they had, what transportation, what language, what appearance, etc. These are vital for special operations, especially in a xenophobic community.

Go ahead and void it. How are you going to say to another poster on here that liberals don't use chemical warfare? That's like saying the only country in RL to use a nuclear bomb was japan...

Eh? The liberals don't use chemical warfare because right now they have that mentality that it's too immoral and too inhumane. Eventually, they'll smarten up and use them, but for now they're going to be at a disadvantage. Think of it akin to the Brits and the Frenchies at the start of WWI. The Germans were pwning using whatever they had, until there was a stalemate. The Germans started using gas. The Brits and the Frenchies waited for a bit, and then started using gas.

Now, Korea, if you could be more negotiable like Thrashia, I'm sure we can reach an agreement. Frankly, right now I'm going to say that you blew up the wrong building.

You can say that I didn't do it at all, because I agree its a ridiculous post but do as you want, it doesn't matter to me.

If it does not matter to you, then why are you here? Go ruin somebody else's RP if you're going to act in this manner.

I agree with Stok. You gave him no chance to roleplay said Military checkpoints, and other multiple things. Also, he is the one that can decide if the Liberals can or can't use the weapons, it his is country, and his faction.

Well Korea, goodbye. Had you merely changed, it could have been interesting. Your choice.

I am more than willing to change, but I doubt you'd want me to rp. I apologize, this was my first real war and I am frustrated because I know I don't have A. the experience as some of you have in this form of rp and B. my country is no where NEAR as powerful as the others participating in the campaign.

@ Stok, I was hoping to have some kind process where EA and the liberals came to an understanding, which is why I stated I have special forces in country as they're relative easy to infiltrate and make contact with the liberal leadership.

There's really no ICly reason at this point for EA to get involved in the civil war unless a long term political agreement is agreed with the liberals. It is not EAs policy to invade or conquer territory. To be up front, EA may, if it feels it is in its long term interest, support the formation of a breakaway liberal state and provide the liberals the means to do it.

Like Sarrowquand, it's not clear how we could get anything into theatre anyway without the agreement or help of neighbouring states or a faction (hint, liberals).

The liberals would welcome any aid from Sarrowquand or EA, no doubt about it. All you guys have to do is ask.

Sign me up for Fascism pl0x.

Wait, can I move my troops in threw the ground? Or do they have to be threw naval?

Possibly both. Ground from the west, naval from north-west and south-east. Check my factbook.

I'll add you in a moment.

I will sign up and help the blues.

Added.

Sorry Stolvia, I'm confused? The Liberals are just holding Kekekegrad, correct? But you say the Imperials have fallen back but are still in Fascist territory?

The land that you just conquered is now under fascist control. Thus, fascist. The imperialists to the north were cut into, but not much really happened. I'm attempting an encirclement.

Essentially, you charged in from the west, which drew liberals to fight you, and then I cut in from the east, which in turn drew liberals, and in the end the liberals were just crushed in the middle and stuck in (Tank Rush) Kekekegrad. The imperialists lobbed a nuke at the liberals because they thought they were invaded by liberals, but the invaders were actually my forces. The liberals launched more nukes, exploding in Ukraine, and the imperialists stood down. Right now, the liberals are holed up in Kekekegrad with my men and your men stuck along a big front.

Dang, nuclear missiles are lame. I feel stupid :/

Sorry about this, but could I get a map about where the forces are (mine, imperials, and liberals) at Kekekegrad? I'm a bit confused, nothing too detailed maybe a few different colored lines using paint, but I'm like... out of it?

Liberals in the city, communists to the right, you to the left. It's not that complicated.

Oh, lol, my bad then. Wait, so you guys are charging around the city and attacking my flanks, right?

I'm charging through imperialist territory to the north, and this charge caused the earlier launching of missiles. I'm moving southwards to cut your front off from the sea.

Damn... I should change my post then, aye? Lol... grrr >.<

Also, Type 5 MBTs are not cheap-ass tanks. See the NSDraftroom for more details.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4317

No picture yet.

Also, Type 5 MBTs are not cheap-ass tanks. See the NSDraftroom for more details.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4317

No picture yet.

So all hundred thousand tanks are Type 5s?

I never said that. In your post, you assumed that all of my tanks were unsophisticated. In reality, a small portion are Type 5s, while most are either Type 88 or T-72 tanks. I just grouped them together since it would just be a big mass of tanks anyway.