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OOC: All OOC comments are to go here for this thread, please do NOT fill the IC thread up with anything other than roleplay.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=563911

Let's try to have a good RP here, if there are any issues that arise, let's work them out here in a civil manner in order to preserve a good story.

Vetalia, TG.

This is probably going to be drawn out on my part seeing as my real life schedule has picked up with the start of fall semester for school, with thew addition of work that and I'm already involved with two earth rps which which have precedence for my free time. All of which were mentioned before hand in TG's between myself and Automagfreek so any complaints over a slow response from me will be null.

TG sent. Good thing, too, since we're more worried about an invasion than anything.

Should the map of Mediterranica be laid out as it was previously, we may have room for other options.

I'll be available on MSN incase anything needs to be worked out, though I'm not "leading" this RP. Warmaster will be coordinating the Gothic attack, which is why he was the one who posted the thread.

Will GM nations be participating? LION is having a bit of a spate with the MU, and being a member of both Gholgoth Minor and LION, I would like to know where my forces would be most useful.

Asgarnieu, this is a Gholgoth operation so if G minor folks are to get involved it's going to be Gholgoth related, not LION. In regards to LION, I can guarantee you that it will not profit from this. Not all are interested in the Med theater after all.

The map has changed and there are a couple of nations who are going to be added to it, namely Miamoria and Theoroshia. Plus, for one reason or another Vetalia was removed. I suppose as long as you don't attack little ol' me in the north-west I can observe for now.

Vetalia`s removal was accidental, his imperial partner vanished and the whole nation got erased. This is being ret-conned asap.

You are aware that several nations have sent little to no forces to engage against LION but have forces mobilized due to the outbreak of hostilities...myself included in those.

Gataway, that's just fine. In fact, that's all the better, means we can avoid most of the mobilization posts that bog down threads in the early stages. If West Ponente is active, I'd like to have some words on some invasion plans tho.

For the purposes of LION and this RP, I'm planning to RP from my position in the Med as it was before we left. I actively encourage Gholgoth to invade me at this point, as I'm planning to send my nation into isolation (working on my new nation, Brittanican Adenia).

My royal family will be carted off to Vetaka early-like, and Vetaka will release a virus into my nation and kill of most of the population to stop Gholgoth having something to colonise and will basically make the place virtually uninhabitable. To be honest, I don't really mind if you do colonise the place, I can always come back at another time and start off with a few uninhabited islands or suchlike.

Hope this is acceptable to all.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo! Why kill your nation PAB, you will regret it.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo! Why kill your nation PAB, you will regret it.

People keep saying that, but I'm not seeing how - I'm bored of this nation! I've got a fresh start in BA, and besides, it's hardly like AMF et al are unreasonable - uprisings, etc. can always be fun to RP.

As an ally of Golgoth and potential member of the main alliance, I would like to request permission to join this little jaunt if I may? Nothing quite so large perhaps as the Warmaster, but a significant enough force to be given responsibility for one of the IC fore-mentioned "many fronts" that are expected to be opened up and exploited.

What are the rules on other regions looking to join? Like I've discussed with the members of Greater Dienstad, the Second Empire is not looking to appease Gholgoth - we see their unjustified invasion of Mediterranica as a threat to world stability, especially since Greater Dienstad is more or less close to both of them. In other words, there are nations in Greater Dienstad looking forward towards intervening in this war.

On the map of Mediterranica, if convenient just put Vetalia on that land west of The Atlantian Islands. That's a pretty good location based upon where our colonies are located and roughly consistent with the geography of our country.

Adding to my earlier post, Questers would like to send a few hundred mercenaries my way (think WWII Flying Tigers - trained volunteers, ex-pilots and the like). Nothing that will change the course of the battle, just so that they have some war credentials for future RPs.

Ah hell...I'm staying out of the Gholgoth operation. I wasn't planning on sending forces to the MU to begin with. If anyone wants, I will secretly IC post a funding operation to a nation that is invading the MU if I can get a small slice of territory; perhaps an island or two.

Maybe this has already been discussed, but it hasn't found its way to me yet: geographically, we need to know whether Med is east or west of Gholgoth, and also, just to make sure: the map on your NS region page is the most current version, right?

Well, considering that Gholgoth is West of Haven (about) I would think that the Med is West of Gholgoth because ther isn't enough room to fit the Med between Haven and Gholgoth.

West it is, then.

Map? Current? That's silly. No alas with all the departures and arrivals it's at least three nations behind where it should be (Vetalia for one), and of course the map does not represent the geographical reality of the LION war, where Greston, Barronia et all could simply not pack up their land and fly away at least for the intents of the LION Rp and by extension this one. So essentially our map cannot be up to date at the moment unless we throw in people who no longer wish to be in the region.

Uiri's works for me I guess, that general direction. West.

EDIT 2: I'll ask WP to pull up some old maps so we can combine what is true of the two and hopefully muddle our way.

With the addition of Miroxia, I will have an udated copy of the map without the LION members. I'd be more than happy to bring up some older ones before everyone left though.

If West Ponente is active, I'd like to have some words on some invasion plans tho.

What would you like to discuss?

That works - I'm north-east Med, so I'll be one of the first in the firing line.

That works - I'm north-east Med, so I'll be one of the first in the firing line.

You sound almost eager...;)

You sound almost eager...;)

You couldn't tell? :p

So may I assume that I am allowed to participate?

Well, considering that Gholgoth is West of Haven (about) I would think that the Med is West of Gholgoth because ther isn't enough room to fit the Med between Haven and Gholgoth.

Gholgoth and Haven are no longer on a map with each other. We can still put you to the west of us though, that is totally doable.

So may I assume that I am allowed to participate?

I believe it was already stated that players from Gholgoth Minor would be allowed to enter in so long as their intentions weren't LION related

WP strikes again:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7053/mediterranicaah4.png
Older with LION nations still in place.

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/389/mediterranica2lj5.png
Actual and up to date.

I think for the moment the nations that conflict with older claims (Uiri & Miroxia) are being temporarily shifted to the southeast, for the purposes of this Rp although Uiri and Mix would of course have to confirm where exactly they want to be for the moment.

Actually, I don't think that Alogorthia and Greston are going to show up for the war. I think that they just want to finish up the war with Hege/MU in their positions but for all other intents and purposes they have left. Of course, if they are willing to participate, would it be possible to shift us basically over to the west. Like, there would be 500 km between the westernmost point of Alogorthia and Miroxia's easternmost point? It would solve a lot of problems and be less complicated.

I've tagged this thread and I have a question: which is the likelihood of this conflict involving Theorosia in the future?

WP strikes again:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7053/mediterranicaah4.png
Older with LION nations still in place.

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/389/mediterranica2lj5.png
Actual and up to date.

I think for the moment the nations that conflict with older claims (Uiri & Miroxia) are being temporarily shifted to the southeast, for the purposes of this Rp although Uiri and Mix would of course have to confirm where exactly they want to be for the moment.

I would think that this settles the issue of maps, if everyone can agree. The second map that Waldenburg put here seems pretty good to me. I would suggest we use it and then continue on with the rp.

Agreed.

And can someone let us know who from Golgoth is participating in this invasion?

Third Spanish States: Don't know. Its likely if this war gets to be as big as im thinking it may

@ Yallak: From those that have shown interest so far - 1) The Warmaster, 2) AMF, 3) Thrashia [me], 4) anyone else I missed.

Thrashia, are you RPing MT or FT?

Thrashia, are you RPing MT or FT?

I RP both FT and MT, but since this is obviously MT then I would be rping MT. Would be rather illogical to try doing it FT. :rolleyes:

I RP both FT and MT

Which is why I asked in the first place... :rolleyes:

@ Yallak: From those that have shown interest so far - 1) The Warmaster, 2) AMF, 3) Thrashia [me], 4) anyone else I missed.


That narrows it down lol

That narrows it down lol

Hey, you asked, I simply answered as best as I knew...;)

Which is why I asked in the first place...

You're picking on me in some subtle fashion, I can feel it...http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/Emots/confused0077.gif :P

That narrows it down lol

Velkya, me, and TSS as well, and several on IRC

There are a few others who would like to be involved on our side but have been busy in RL. Hopefully they can get their posts up in the next day or two.

I'd like to get involved in this RP, but I have a few questions. First of all, I switched regions from Haven to Gholgoth and retconned my history there. Whether or not the invasion of the MU happened or got retconned I don't know, but I certainly hope it still happened. Anyway, I very much enjoyed your RP last time, Waldenburg. Perhaps we could get some kind of "duel" going? My military is still OOCly in shambles because I CBA to organize it yet, so I'd like to keep my involvement small. I'll TG you my proposal tonight or tomorrow or something.

That would be nice if everyone could have the time to join in. In the mean time, I'll have a post coming up within the hour. AMF, I'm assuming that any and all information and intelligence regarding the region has been made open to my commanders?

Yes, Gothic and GM commanders are aware of what is happening. There has been no public declaration though.

Yes, Gothic and GM commanders are aware of what is happening. There has been no public declaration though.

Excellent. If you have the time, I'd like to speak with you on IM.

I'd like to get involved in this RP, but I have a few questions. First of all, I switched regions from Haven to Gholgoth and retconned my history there. Whether or not the invasion of the MU happened or got retconned I don't know, but I certainly hope it still happened. Anyway, I very much enjoyed your RP last time, Waldenburg. Perhaps we could get some kind of "duel" going? My military is still OOCly in shambles because I CBA to organize it yet, so I'd like to keep my involvement small. I'll TG you my proposal tonight or tomorrow or something.

Last time? Could be could be. Anyway thank you, I would look forward to it.

Anyway the main question is: is the last post legitimate? Does Alfegos have an embassy somewhere in Ghogoloth that could confirm this and indeed present it openly?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=563309

Not to my knowledge, and not according to his embassy list.

AMF, may I please speak to you in MSN.

Can we get this rolling please?

It is running pretty slow, but I'm not in any hurry especially since I myself have plenty of IRL things to do.

However, I recently made a move to secure the entirety of my northern subcontinent for Gholgoth forces. Thrashia and any of your fleets shouldn't have much difficulty moving through there if necessary since ideally Solenial, Quintus, and Greston's colony will be under our occupation.

I'll post the link once I find it, but the name is "The Trepov Ultimatum" if you want to search for it.

Thanks again Vetalia. I'll have a post forthcoming a.s.a.p.

Things are picking up now. Next round of posts are already coming, some of them are already up.

@ Yallak: I need as detailed a map as you can give me of your colony 'Valeon.'

@ Ponente: I need as detailed a map as you can give me of your colony 'West Ponente.'

@ Aschenhyrst: Same request as above, for Isthmatia.

I know that might be a hard request to accomplish on short notice, and I apologize for that, but in order for me to be able to properly rp I need to know exactly what's what.

@ Yallak: I need as detailed a map as you can give me of your colony 'Valeon.'

If you can bare with me I can come up with something, Valeon only just got added to the map so as yet i have never had a map or well anything for it. I will make one for you though it will take abit of time as im working at the least today and tomorrow (and that basically sucks my whole days into the void of oblivion).

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/Vetalia-3.jpg?t=1220328176

Map of Vetalia (rotate it 180 degrees so that Chelyabinsk is at the southern tip to get an idea of the approximate location of Thrashian forces relative to the country). Although it doesn't line up 100% with the Mediterranica outline of my country since it was made prior to my relocation there, it's more than sufficient for now.

If necessary, I'll add the remaining parts missing and adjust its shape a little, but it's more than close enough for what's required. Terrain maps and more specific geography can be provided as needed, but Vetalia is basically flat grassland and low-lying forests with rivers and various lakes and has a more or less tropical climate, so terrain issues are generally limited.

If you can bare with me I can come up with something, Valeon only just got added to the map so as yet i have never had a map or well anything for it. I will make one for you though it will take abit of time as im working at the least today and tomorrow (and that basically sucks my whole days into the void of oblivion).

No problem. Take your time. Things are still just getting to the boiling point.

I'll make one last check on our IC channel and make sure nobody else is going to post. Then it will be your move, Mediterranica.

Go ahead Mediterranica, you guys are up. It's unlikely we will sail undetected for long, so you guys can make your opening identification/mobilization/etc. posts.

You guys are attacking the right side of the map, correct? Because Greston said you guys were attacking the left side.

We're attacking the right side of the map.

We're attacking the right side of the map.

With razor blades I might add. ;)

1. Thrashia, the map is almost finished so I should be able to send it to you pretty soon.

2. TSS, your invasion of Pasingrad may ultimately be bloodless, since with any luck we will have invaded and annexed the territory as part of Operation Northern Shield. Ideally, your forces will be able to sweep in to the center of Mediterranica and if necessary base at our island Pillar.

I think I shall have to come up with an exquisite way to exterminate your people in retribution for your actions after I finish crushing the armies of Gholgoth Vetalia

IC post coming soon

Now, there's no reason to get all genocidal on us...surely the world economy would suffer without us. ;)

Yes! I've been patiently waiting to take Vetalia's spot in the world economy and now it may actually happen!

@ Vetalia: I'm sure the world will recover :D

@ Thrashia: I put a map of Valeon together today:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/Yallak/ValeonMap.png

Will this be ok? Im not too good at the whole map making thing and dont know how to use anything other than MS paint.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/Map-3.jpg

This is a map of the Vetalian side, at the point where the majority of water crossings and strategically important things on our side of the river are located. This is a little rough, but it's got all of the key points and terrain marked on it I'll make a key at some point soon, but I detailed all of the stuff on the map in the TG I sent to Thrashia.

This corresponds to a roughly 35x23km area at the junction of the Yallack/West Ponente/Vetalia border where the bulk of forces are concentrated. Other parts of the sound are too deep and lack good water crossings, so they're less attractive points for invasion than this. Should something go wrong and our forces be driven back or worse, I'll make additional maps going all the way north to Chelyabinsk. A revised version of this same map should be ready in a day or so.

@ Yallak: Awesome. Its perfectly usable. Could you perhaps though also upload it into say like upload it into image shack, so I can get the 'full' size image and read everything properly? Most maps under 800x800 generally get f-d up by photobucket. Also, going off intelligence and satellite information, what troops have you stationed in Valeon?

@ Vetalia: Works perfect.

@ Yallak: I need as detailed a map as you can give me of your colony 'Valeon.'

@ Ponente: I need as detailed a map as you can give me of your colony 'West Ponente.'

@ Aschenhyrst: Same request as above, for Isthmatia.

I know that might be a hard request to accomplish on short notice, and I apologize for that, but in order for me to be able to properly rp I need to know exactly what's what.

I`ll get something up in the next day or so, I`ve got to find where I filed it or start from scratch. May have to do the same on other locations as most of my cartography wasn`t 'highly detailed'.

I`ll get something up in the next day or so, I`ve got to find where I filed it or start from scratch. May have to do the same on other locations as most of my cartography wasn`t 'highly detailed'.

No problem. If its anything like Yallak's then that's more than perfect as far as I'm concerned. S'long as it shows cities and major physical land features, then it will work for our purposes. Thanks for doing this.

I apologize for the absence there was a death in the family and I had to leave to attend the services which were in Oklahoma.

Also it would be Gatawayan

You don't have to apologize for anything Gataway, real life always comes first.

@ Thrashia (and all Gholgoth too): My military hasn't been worked on in over a year (and my most recent update somehow vanished when transfering data from my old PC to my new one a few months ago). I hadn't bothered fixing it up yet though as I wasnt anticipating a need for it. I'm in the process of doing it now though so will soon have a good idea of my military size and deployment and will get an IC post up in the RP ASAP. For now, and i dont see it to likely change dramatically, as Valeon is not actually part of Yallak there are few forces in the area. 2-3 legions (160,000-240,000), ~2 air fleets (5000 planes), practically no navy, though a good force of Imperial torpedo boats.

@ Vetalia: What are all the coloured lines that run from your nation into my colony? And you spelt Yallak wrong on the map :(

Sorry, that map is the rough draft, so it lacks a key right now. I wanted to get it up ASAP to give you an idea of the region. Those lines represent rail and road tunnels/bridges at that point in the sound; since Ismathia is so important for shipping, it's got a number of good road and rail links between our territory and yours.

Oh, and sorry. I don't know why I always misspell Yallak.

Sorry, that map is the rough draft, so it lacks a key right now. I wanted to get it up ASAP to give you an idea of the region. Those lines represent rail and road tunnels/bridges at that point in the sound; since Ismathia is so important for shipping, it's got a number of good road and rail links between our territory and yours.

Oh, and sorry. I don't know why I always misspell Yallak.

I see. I figured as much but thought i'd check.

And don't worry to much, everyone always seems to add a 'c' in there for some reason.

@ Yallak: Did you manage to upload your map through ImageShack?

Quick update:

Pasingrad has been annexed in to Vetalia (for $10 billion, no less...hopefully it has resources), and Quintus will soon be occupied by our forces. Only Solenial is still holding out on the northern front, so all things equal Gholgoth forces will be able to move in from that direction unopposed.

Also, Thrashia, my IC post in the Angels of Agony IC thread will be moved slightly forward in time to coincide with the Quintus capitulation/annexation of Pasingrad so that our forces are mutually aware of it.

@ Yallak: Did you manage to upload your map through ImageShack?

Crap...sorry, yeah, I thought I put the link in my last post but guess not. Here it is: http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/1227/valeonmaptc8.png

Also I've got a heap of work to do at the moment so my IC post will likely be delayed until thursday

Moved here Vetalia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13991263#post13991263

Thrashia, hope this will do.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/932/isthmatiani1.png

Colonial Capital: Niewpoort
Priniciple Cities/Ports: Tyne, Uriah, Essex, Eastmouth-on-Ponente, Inverness

Infrastructure: Isthmatia Canal (4 locks numbered 1-4 running west to east,left side to right) built to handle Davidson-class Battleship designed by British Londinium.Tyne Lake (Large man-made lake for turning basin & inland shipyard/repair facility). Canal locks damaged during LION conflict, shipping capacity cut 50%
Railroads/highways running along each coast and along both sides on canal channel.
Airports/Seaports: Ones shown on map are dual use (civilian and military)

Terrain: lowlands along coasts and canal. Uplands through most of the center. Medium-size mountains along northern frontier, few natual passes near Niewpoort. I tried to show topograph on the map by varing from Light Green for lowlands, dark Green for uplands and marroon for the mountain regions.

Sorry, no scale on map. Region map scale subject to interpretation. Colony roughly 100km wide, region map shows it to be about 1000km.

I guess it's a good thing the Vetalian navy uses Davidson-class ships...

Are there any ethnic Londinians still living in the area? I'm wondering because we would probably incite a general insurgency against the local governments as part of an invasion; that ethnic group would definitely support our capture of the area due to the long friendship of the Vetalian-Londinian alliance, although it would be interesting to see how they respond to Gholgothic forces.

I guess it's a good thing the Vetalian navy uses Davidson-class ships...

Are there any ethnic Londinians still living in the area? I'm wondering because we would probably incite a general insurgency against the local governments as part of an invasion; that ethnic group would definitely support our capture of the area due to the long friendship of the Vetalian-Londinian alliance, although it would be interesting to see how they respond to Gholgothic forces.

As far as I know British Londinium has withdrawn to the Rejected Realms, his puppetmaster has quit pulling the strings on that nation. Piccavia is the current version of BL and has left the region. So if I were to guess, I`d say no Londinian presence. I`m not sure but I think New Greston is the Administrator for the former BL/Piccavian territories.

@ AsC & Yallak: Thanks. Both those maps work just fine and dandy. Yallak, that's cool, RL comes first like AMF said. Any opening post I may use will be just low-key with maybe a few of my special forces guys going into the cities and checking things out in civilian clothing and such, nothing that need require a response until the rest of the Med. people start posting about the incoming Gholgoth fleets.

I'm officially unofficially doing nothing till I either have a response to my letter or the bullets start flying.

@ AsC & Yallak: Thanks. Both those maps work just fine and dandy. Yallak, that's cool, RL comes first like AMF said. Any opening post I may use will be just low-key with maybe a few of my special forces guys going into the cities and checking things out in civilian clothing and such, nothing that need require a response until the rest of the Med. people start posting about the incoming Gholgoth fleets.

Ok cool. Just to note, the immigration and security policies of Valeon are closely modelled of Yallak's and it is very hard to enter the country if your not a native or imperial citizen. If you need any specific questions on the matter answered just shoot me a TG and ill let you know the answers when I get back from work tonight.

@ Yallak: I took a little liberty with a member of your military in my last post. If you think its too much then I can change it.

We may need population statistics for the regions surrounding Ismathia including so that I can determine how many troops the region would need in the event of a successful occupation. If you're really dedicated, you can also provide ethnic statistics so that I can create customized Free Corps units (basically the equivalent of Freiwillige Waffen SS units) to police the local populations as a supplement to conventional occupation forces.

By and large, it'll be roughly equal to a 100:1 population-soldier ratio with deployments varying on the civilian response to our occupation/annexation of the territory as well as force needs in other parts of the region. We'll also be using the area as a kind of quasi-leave for our forces, giving them a break from the front-line to serve in a much milder occupation duty.

I'm also going to aggregate my various threads in to a set of links in this thread to make things easier to find.

@ Yallak: I took a little liberty with a member of your military in my last post. If you think its too much then I can change it.

Thats cool. The lazy git was probably from the local Valeon garrisons...i think i forsee him getting kill veerrryyy soon hahaha *insert more maniacal laughter here*

We may need population statistics for the regions surrounding Ismathia including so that I can determine how many troops the region would need in the event of a successful occupation. If you're really dedicated, you can also provide ethnic statistics so that I can create customized Free Corps units (basically the equivalent of Freiwillige Waffen SS units) to police the local populations as a supplement to conventional occupation forces.

By and large, it'll be roughly equal to a 100:1 population-soldier ratio with deployments varying on the civilian response to our occupation/annexation of the territory as well as force needs in other parts of the region. We'll also be using the area as a kind of quasi-leave for our forces, giving them a break from the front-line to serve in a much milder occupation duty.

I'm also going to aggregate my various threads in to a set of links in this thread to make things easier to find.


Isthmatia Colonial population: 5 million including military personel

aww, and I wanted dibs on Valeon, pity :P

Don't think there'll be much left by the time the plague of locusts and incredibly complex and incomprehensible names arrive's

Hey, we've got to give our prisoners some work to do. Besides, we'll probably have plenty of land to divvy up once these areas have been assumed in to the Protectorate of Valeon and Britzikum headed by our own Imperial Protector Viktor Sechin.

I'm just debating how evil to make him, considering he looks like Reinhard Heydrich (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-Reinhard_Heydrich_Poster.jpg) and shares a lot of similar traits. Perhaps an Operation Anthropoid will be in order for a character RP between us and Mediterranican forces...

Has Ponente shown up at all? I need a map of West Ponente.

aww, and I wanted dibs on Valeon, pity :P

:eek: grrrr.... you traitorous curr!!!! No more tea and social visits to Novacom i think :p

That's reminded me, I'd completly forgotten about that thread since I came back :( and as for this, blame the old bat in Kravirez, she's been causing trouble, again :p

:eek: grrrr.... you traitorous curr!!!! No more tea and social visits to Novacom i think :p

Ahem, Protectorate of Britzikum and Valeon. Let's call it by it's proper name, Yallack. :p

Still waiting on reply responses from Mediterranica people...

If you choose to invade when we are at war as it is what can you expect? We did warn pace could be a problem.

Vetalia if you don't check your Tg's much; I posted in the economic warfare.

AMF I suppose you talked with LS about his plans for the future? Very interesting I thought, and I would be generally willing to participate is some fashion although I'm not quite sure how to get through the door as of yet.

Sorry, getting busy at work. Also, I`m waiting for LION vs Hegemony/MU to end. Too many things going on, not enough hours in the day.

I'm aware of that Waldenburg. Merely making a point.

I see Med changed their map again...

In the post I'm working on, Gothic forces will be entering Med waters, and from that point on any map changes are going to seriously screw everything up.

Quintus and Solenial (assuming Solenial capitulates) should also be purple-striped on that map, to show they are under Vetalian occupation and so that part of the region is effectively under our control.

Please note that on the map, Miamoria is North of where he should be, and Faxanavia is going to be added soon.

Well the combination of work..school...other rp's I was involved in before this one as well as balancing in a social life and the fact that over the past several weeks storms coming off of the recent hurricaines and family emergencies have kept me away for the most part or occupied.

I`ve gotten busier than a one-armed paperhanger at work. I still plan on participating but the posts may be 'short and shitty' until things let up.

Wald: You might have jumped the gun on reports of naval activity from me. The HRMS Trident is alone and outgunned, it must scurry away from the invasion fleet before it can report about it. Everythings running fluid time so don`t worry about it. I`ll follow up on the Trident later.

@ Gataway:Thanks for pointing out my ploy you foul fiend! I banish you back to the pits of annoying demons.

Well it is in an ooc context therefore even though I pointed out the reference it can't be used ICily...so you shouldn't have anything to worry about

Well it is in an ooc context therefore even though I pointed out the reference it can't be used ICily...so you shouldn't have anything to worry about

Oh, I know. But you always have to remember that even if you don't ICly know it, typing up responses and knowing something OCCly always has some small bearing on how you reply ICly. It's inevitable except in the most exceptional writers.

my bad for being a bit of a historian

my bad for being a bit of a historian

Lol, not blaming you Gataway. ;)

lol I didnt mean to come off in a hostile tone...damn ze internetz and its lack of emotion

My Map (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7779/ponentejl1.png).

Wonderful West Ponente! Is there anything else really important that I should know? Otherwise, I'm gonna make a paradrop at the two ends of the peninsulas there.

Wonderful West Ponente! Is there anything else really important that I should know? Otherwise, I'm gonna make a paradrop at the two ends of the peninsulas there.

That should be everything, if you have any questions feel free to ask.

I was mostly wondering where large military bases were, if that's public info. Don't want to paradrop into an infantry division.

I was mostly wondering where large military bases were, if that's public info. Don't want to paradrop into an infantry division.

N.E. if you're going to be paradropping, might you get in touch with my military HQ in Vetalia to coordinate our planning?

Thrashia, that might get my casualties below 25% just in the drop, which is counter-productive for my purposes :p

The crews counted themselves as luck that no Mediterranican Fleets had as of jet spotted and attacked them. They had been in a lull for days, but it was about to broken by the thunderous boom of 864 nuclear powered bombers flying over head at tremendously high altitudes.

And over 1500 ship fleets...seeing as I am strictly MT and rp for realism I'm not going to recognize this ludicrous equipment or the super wanked fleets

Gataway, Project Pluto. Project Pluto, Gataway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto

Pleased t'meetcha. You'll note the dates on the project. Testing was successful, though ICBMs were considered cheaper and less radioactive at the time. HOWEVER, in the 1960s, such a ramjet, STILL IN ULTRA PROTOTYPE STAGE, produced over 35 THOUSAND pounds of thrust on a test rack. (ground level, probably fed air by a turbojet strapped to the intake)

To put this in perspective, the J-58 production turboramjets (which powered the SR-71) produced about 32.5klbs. at altitude. There was also a project to convert the J-58 into a nuclear ramjet. The biggest issue was radiation, which if you have fiber flight control systems and good faraday cages, all you need for the pilots is a slab of lead at the back of the cockpit and a nice exposure flight suit. Most contemporary production and prototype turbojets and turbofans were producing between 10 and 15klbs less.

Essentially, not only is the concept absurdly feasible, it's been done decades ago successfully and can have good benefits. Downside is horrible expense and the fact that you need insane radiation protection on the ground. Plus you can essentially only launch nuke ramjet aircraft with rockets <.<

EDIT: another note.... Remember Reagan's 600 ship navy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy
The US was well under 300 million at the time. I'm 8.5 billion, more than the whole real life world combined. Even if we take the US navy's 280 ship fleet now, and multiply it out, that's about eight thousand active duty peacetime ships for me alone.
If we are to take the 600 ship navy concept, and multiply it out across the ~250 million the US was at the time and the 8.5 billion I am, we get 20.4 thousand vessels of all types active duty for my nation alone.


We're launching a SIZABLE fraction of our active duty fleets, so I consider us under-estimating the number of ships we could field.

I cap my population off at realworld levels none of this NS wanked crap. The cost for operating 800 something nuclear bombers would be completely ludicrous let alone that plus fielding massive fleets of ships with SD's and the like in them.

I already knew about project pluto and reagens navy I dont need a history lesson.

But if this is the case I'l just start using fuel air bombs and such

Official ooc Imperial Transmission
To: The Nations of Gholgoth

Most filthy, detestable and vile invaders from Gholgoth,

Unfortunately the Emperor, beloved of all, of this most august and Infinite Empire has fallen ill and been forced to retire to his bed chambers for the better part of this past week and probably the next few days as well.

Due to this, and we do sincerly apologise for the inconvenience, the Imperial Realm of Yallak shall be unavailable to engage you in battle until further notice. We promise though that a statement will be issued as soon as our Lord, blessed of all, has recovered and will inform you the second we are ready for you to come forth and die.

Until then may your days be pleasant and your realms cast down with pestilence and dispair.

Signed,
The High Council of Arrandin

I cap my population off at realworld levels none of this NS wanked crap. The cost for operating 800 something nuclear bombers would be completely ludicrous let alone that plus fielding massive fleets of ships with SD's and the like in them.
You should feel free to cap your population, but don't expect any of us to do so. If you haven't noticed, your population is one of the only statistics NS gives you; snubbing that means you're not even RPing NS, you're RPing your own nation randomly.

I already knew about project pluto and reagens navy I dont need a history lesson.
Then why did you initially react with "OMFG WANKERS" when you saw such fleets and bombers? Seems you needed a reminder at minimum.

But if this is the case I'l just start using fuel air bombs and such
.... you wouldn't normally? -_-

Sorry for not jumping up and acting like a Noob or Hat copy cat next time ill be sure to go with omg wankers and just ignore you outright.

As I can already see where this is going I'll be abstaining from this rp

Gataway, I'm not sure where all this is coming from.....

I'm not sure what your quarrel really IS here, since we've done nothing wrong. The bombers in question are feasible and are used by people other than No Endorse, and our individual naval contributions are rather modest considering the scale of this attack. I'm deploying a little less than 2,500 ships (including supply ships and the usual non-combatants), and my overall navy is close to 10,000, so what I'm fielding and what other Goths are fielding is more than reasonable. There are some on NS that RP with navies twice the size of mine, and nobody really questions it.

I don't know, I'm sort of at a loss as to why you're taking your ball and going home when everyone else in the RP seems to be getting along just fine.

I dont really have a quarrel exactly, there's no ooc dislike as the reason if thats what you were trying to get at, theres just my overall dislike of NS wankery which begins with the game's population system...

I dont really have a quarrel exactly, there's no ooc dislike as the reason if thats what you were trying to get at, theres just my overall dislike of NS wankery which begins with the game's population system...
That IS the game. Take away the three political stats, your UN category, and your population, and what do you have? This is indeed the NationStates Forum.




My big question is why you waited over a month to voice your concerns/requirements about this stuff.

You're confused, see I would be the original Gataway who took a brief lapse from II forums to rp offsite and my brother is the one who kicked off this shindig whilst running my nation (on II) at any rate I suppose I will attempt to deal with II's wankery one last time.

Also why I cant wait till NS2 is done since warfare on their will acctually influence the economy and such.

what map are we using...I see like six different ones...

what map are we using...I see like six different ones...

well, the regional map for starters and then the smaller maps people mad of their individual areas.

Well it seems i didnt die from my illness and am getting better now so I should get a post up on the weekend.

Been busy with work, IC post length suffers because of that.

I'll be posting up within the day or tomorrow morning.

I may be out of this. The treasure chest is open at work and I`m stuffing my pockets full. If things slow down I`ll get in but right now my involvement in NS is almost non-existant. I`ve been off just enough to sleep, today is the first day in over a week I`ve been home more than ten hours.
I can`t figure this out, the economy is in the shitter and I`m working like I did in the boom times.

Well ive been at working crappy shifts at work last week and this week which has seen me out of the house from 7:30AM to 10PM. Unfortunately this has rendered me unable to get online until next week. Sorry for the delay. Once these shift are past though I hope to get things moving at a better pace here.

I'm not too worried about pace since this is a busy time of year for a lot of people. I'm sitting on a post currently, but I may just put it up anyways.

Aschenhyrst, i've started an invasion of islay and should arrive in twelve ns hours (from RL 7:06 pm Eastern Standard time)

I hope it is now known that Vet, Miroxia, and myself have formed a coalition and are annexing everything near us. Until Miroxia actually strikes, this is still unknown to your nation and would be a godmode if when he attacks you say something like, "they were waiting for the attack, they knew the Miroxians were going to attack".

it's time

I think you may have to give him a bit more time to respond than that. I'm afraid if you move battleships within one kilometer of someones territory they may be getting a little suspicious. Not for me to judge though, just keep in mind he's out riding the rails at the moment and may take some days to get back for a post.

oh, well, i'm waiting for him in islay. i guess i'll work on randia

who rules colono?

Directly ruled through the MU as an autonomous territory of represented governments. MU essentially, although jointly owned by other I believe.

would you rp it if i invade it?

Er.. Um... Yes? I guess, sure. I'll just look up the old defenses (Please be 2008 White Paper) and sure. Although I'm sure Yallak and other's may have something to do with it later but I suppose for the moment I can.

you know there is pretty much nothing on Colono right?

i need it. you could surrender it to me. my ships are heading that way and are currently attacking 2 colonies.

Colono is only valuable for it's location, but i imagine it being hard to take. It's place for MU Military Exercises and very close to Asch and Gat. So good luck, you'll need it

I've finally jumped in, although right now its all secret stuff, meaning only Goths/ Greston, Miroxia, and Vetalia know.

We don't need luck, we have the Goths.

Who needs Gothes? Have you ever seen what WP can do with that piece of string of his?

Miroxia, I don't understand. You are on my side - it is clear as you are helping the Goths. So why is it that you want to undermine hard work to save you the trouble of Miamoria?

If anyone needs clarification on my position in the war, please check my openning post, which I will copy & paste here. I realise that ICly only Gholgoth's side would actually know, which is all that really matters.

My President won't tolerate any attack on myself or Miamoria and will respond with no prisoners.

OOC: Greston is a little bit too close for comfort.
IC:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/seal.gif

TO: Gholgothic Invasion Forces

I am at present aware of your invasion of the region of Mediterranica. Knowing full well the power of your alliance and the fact that Aleos, a member of your alliance, already has troops within your nation, we consider any move against Gholgothic forces. We shall be proceeding to invade Miamoria with military force, and thus saving your forces for more worthy foes. We know the Miamorians very well, and we also know their weakeness is their feudalistic system.

Their peasants are ethnic Uir - like most of the military staff of Uiri. By sharing ethnicity, we would be able to stir up a revolution in Miamoria very easily and thus you shall have no need to waste resources on the island, nor my island. We wish to know the terms upon which this offer will be accepted. Be certain that we are willing to negotiate and that we know that you could just as easily refuse our offer and occupy both of us yourself. We only wish that bloodshed be minimized for in the past our citizens have not taken too kindly to any form of foreign influence.

David Aposon
President of Uiri

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/seal2.gif

TO: Miamoria

We are invading and occupying your country. There are to be no if's, and's or but's about it. In the face of a regional war, we have no choice but to protect our national interests and right now this means invading and occupying your nation. Resistance is futile. We can stir up a revolution within your country based solely on freeing our ethnic brothers. There is a reason most countries are no longer feudal. What is more is that even if we stir up revolution, the revolutionaries will still farm cattle and produce wheat for our populace. We have you on a leash. The length of said leash is up to you.

David Aposon
President of Uiri
Samul Humoson
Vice-President of Uiri

???

Your message to Miamorga - I cannot be aware of it ICly.

However, once such a thing becomes aware ICly, you can expect me to cry traitor until I'm hoarse.

so are you with the goths?

brb

I've told you before.

I'm not against them.

I didn't recieve a reply to the message to the Gholgothic Invasion Forces. So...I don't know whether they consider me on their side or not. In any case, the point of occupying Miamoria was to save my allies the trouble.

the i'm with you. i'm all for the goths. i didn't know your position, so, sorry. i'll delete that, if you want.

more ic posts in a couple hours. g2g to church

I have a question.

Is it true that Gholgoth nation blanket-ignore the existence of all Haven nations, and therefore, being a Haven nation, I can't participate in this RP?

I've told you before.

I'm not against them.

I didn't recieve a reply to the message to the Gholgothic Invasion Forces. So...I don't know whether they consider me on their side or not. In any case, the point of occupying Miamoria was to save my allies the trouble.

Are you taking advantage of the conflict like myself, Vetalia, Greston, etc. or just protecting Miamoria and yourself?

I have a question.

Is it true that Gholgoth nation blanket-ignore the existence of all Haven nations, and therefore, being a Haven nation, I can't participate in this RP?

Not too sure, but I think so. Ask AMF.

Not too sure, but I think so. Ask AMF.

I suppose that means I'm out too?

West Ponente, do you have a map of your nation with cities, and military bases marked?

Are you taking advantage of the conflict like myself, Vetalia, Greston, etc. or just protecting Miamoria and yourself?

both. The latter first and the former second.

I suppose that means I'm out too?

You could still join I think.

I have a question.

Is it true that Gholgoth nation blanket-ignore the existence of all Haven nations, and therefore, being a Haven nation, I can't participate in this RP?

You'd probably be the only one because you could argue you have the Tirecean Islands.

West Ponente, do you have a map of your nation with cities, and military bases marked?

MAP OF WEST PONENTE (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7779/ponentejl1.png)

It has cities but no military bases on it

does anyone know when waldenburg is usually on. i'm invading colono and he's rping it.

does anyone know when waldenburg is usually on. i'm invading colono and he's rping it.

Speaking of which, how exactly did your fleet get there?

i went around the great levantian empire...

As you are aware Miroxia there is an OOC thread right here. Anyway yes then, we are attacking your transports (with three patrol ships) as they bring men ashore and the infantry is scattered about the hills to repel them as best as possible.

i went around the great levantian empire...

Yea past Schvanstein somehow I missed those...

You could still join I think.

Yeah, can someone confirm or deny this? It might be nothing more than sending a team of reporters, but I would like to know if I would be allowed in for the future.

I would prefer Havenites stay out.

waldenburg, attack posted.

I would prefer Havenites stay out.

Not really a problem, but I've actually only been a Havenite for...a week? Something like that. I've never even taken place in a Haven RP, and I'm not allied with any other Haven nation in any way, shape, or form.

waldenburg, attack posted.

I believe you misunderstand me; the city in beside the shore. As was said. If you were to land your transports would have had to go, generally into that area, in which the patrol boats would have attempted to stop the transports as it were. The landing itself will be opposed by both ground forces (scant) to the ships (three)

do i need to edit my post then, i'm assuming

okay, to get myself straight, there is a city on the shore. my ships are still incoming, and you've sent 3 patrol boats to defend the shore line and have soldiers scattered incase we break through your ships.

if correct, can i have some info on these ships, size, maybe a picture?

Yea past Schvanstein somehow I missed those...

It would be easy for him to get by since I own half of the Luchamian Strait. Gat, you act as if it is impossible for him to get around the Med when I and my allies own areas that they could go through.

okay, to get myself straight, there is a city on the shore. my ships are still incoming, and you've sent 3 patrol boats to defend the shore line and have soldiers scattered incase we break through your ships.

if correct, can i have some info on these ships, size, maybe a picture?


As posted they are Armindales. An edit would be nice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armidale_class_patrol_boat

As for the strait Greston. We never did Rp the fall or the GLE and even if we did as I understand it it does not become your land mass. If that is your intent I would of course have to block that, both IC and OOC.

ic post coming soon

please tell me i got it right this time, wald

gat, check your notifications

So, AMF, that's a no for my entry? Even if I was pro-Gholgoth?

I only ask b/c Greston and I have extremely good IC relations (whereas my entire population has been led to believe that Waldenburgers eat babies for breakfast), and it would be fairly unrealistic for my nation to just ignore everything that's going on over there.

I got it...I'll just take out the bombing beaches...if Liestung gets in, I'm calling in my allies that reside in Haven just FYI, also Miroxia edited, you have some 300+ anti-ship missiles, with warhead decoys bearing down on your fleet.

I got it...I'll just take out the bombing beaches...if Liestung gets in, I'm calling in my allies that reside in Haven just FYI

Gah! No "i before e" rule in German!

Directed at Miroxia: For all intents and purposes no. Here is a chronology as I see it:

Miroxian ships hove into view
Colono is distraught; begins mobilization
Miroxians launch surprise attack as detailed in post #74 surprise
Colono Launches patrol boats mobilization continues.
Here is where we go off our own separate tangent. I assume our ships meet at some point and engage or otherwise maneuver about. I assume our ships are both in the water at nearly the same point.
That is to my knowledge what has happened. So if that is correct our ships would meet somewhere in the water or in your early landing stages.

i've actually sending a missile towards you ships and have forgotten my other posts

I hope my post is alright, Miamoria.

For the record, the Tirecean Islands (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/allanea/mediterranica2dv7.png) are a recent Allanean colony. It has not yet been formally updated to the main map, but Greston and the other Mediterranicans can confirm its existence.

It is right in the path of the Freekish forces.

I posted. Of course, all statements are in-character and do not pertain to AMF the OOC player, but merely to my IC view of the behavior of his nation and its leader, Overlord Dreafire.

Obviously, AMF can feel free to ignore it, as I reside in Haven.

Understood, but you don't simply invite yourself into any thread you like. I won't be acknowledging your post.

Even had the thread been declared as closed - [b]which it wasn't, anywhere - I was asked by Gataway and other MU members to join, actually. Greston wanted me to join too, but that doesn't count because he thought I was joining on his side.

Apparantly you missed the part in the thread title where it explicitly states that this thread is for Mediterranica and Gholgoth.

There isn't going to be a discussion on this, because an ignore is an ignore.

No, it doesn't. It says 'ATTENTION MEDITERRANICA/GHOLGOTH'.

You're of course free to ignore me - but I suspect if you do that there will be other people also willing to exercise their right to ignore, too.

Newcomer: Crimmond


Hello Med.

Apparantly you missed the part in the thread title where it explicitly states that this thread is for Mediterranica and Gholgoth.

There isn't going to be a discussion on this, because an ignore is an ignore.

Right so the MU nations can't call on their own allies because they reside in haven..

But Thrashia who resides in Gholgoth minor is allowed into the RP..

it would be realistically expected for nations being attacked to call allies to assist them especially against a numerically larger foe, of course that doesn't go to you're advantage does it..?

So you use you're petty ooc dislike of haven as an excuse to block allied help.

You're so full of yourself AMF....you're a joke and quite laughable

as of now all nations residing in Gholgoth/Gholgoth minor are recepiants of the "IGNORE cannon"

further all events regarding myself and anything to do with the Ghothic invasion are retconned

and please spare me you're attempts to validate having outside nations assit you but blocking outside nations to be against you..

I really don't want to hear your BS, of course you're going to post some attempt at a witty reply, but that's not going to change anything.

I have a witty reply, go to hell. Even Havenites that wish to join on their side are being blocked. The only reason you are taking their banning of Havenites to join so seripusly is because you are so full of your self and such a wise ass pain in the neck that you can't ally yourself with any one else. Unless they are as pompous and annoying as you are I don't know of any one that would want to come within ten feet of you.

New Greston, Gataway - Any further flaming will result in more than just Yellow or Red Card infractions.

Knock it off. NOW.

You should have known that bringing Haven into the fold, a region which Gholgoth ignores, would be a problem...and you have nobody to blame but yourself. I could care less who you bring in as long as it does not require any of us to interact with players that we have chosen to ignore for good reason. You bring up Thrashia but fail to realize that Gholgoth Minor is on the Gholgoth map and is a mere extension of our region, whereas you're calling in allies of opportunity from a region most of us in Gholgoth don't even recognize as existing. I don't care if you call in the rest of I.I. to assist you, but I refuse to end a months long ignore just to appease you.

This really is sad Gataway, and it gives the impression that you're only throwing this temper tantrum because the odds of you winning this war are growing smaller and smaller. You've done nothing but complain this whole time, and I've been nothing but gracious and friendly to every Med player who has contacted me OOCly, but yet you see fit to flame me. Well, that's perfectly fine, you can pout all you want because I'm sure the rest of Mediterranica is enjoying what has so far been a decent RP.

So go right ahead, stamp your feet and make a big fuss, because you're not impressing anyone.

You seem to not get it. It does not MATTER if you respect Gataway or not. He is the one you're invading.

This means HE is the one who gets to set the rules.

That is all that there is to it.

You seem to not get it. It does not MATTER if you respect Gataway or not. He is the one you're invading.

This means HE is the one who gets to set the rules.

That is all that there is to it.

The rules are not exclusively his to set. I don't recognize you as existing, bottom line, and he cannot force to me acknowledge you or your actions. You don't seem to understand that you cannot FORCE another player to RP with someone he ignores.

You don't seem to understand that you cannot FORCE another player to RP with someone he ignores.

Well said. I wonder why is Gataway still playing in this thread...

The rules are not exclusively his to set. I don't recognize you as existing, bottom line, and he cannot force to me acknowledge you or your actions. You don't seem to understand that you cannot FORCE another player to RP with someone he ignores.

You're right.

In this case, Gataway has said that he will not roleplay with you.

So you can either agree to his conditions, or call off your invasion of him. That's purely your choice.

Okay, what is going on here?

You seem to not get it. It does not MATTER if you respect Gataway or not. He is the one you're invading.

This means HE is the one who gets to set the rules.

That is all that there is to it.

Well there seems to be an issue there. You are so quick to jump in and defend him when merely a few months ago he goes off and attacks me. I called foul and what I recieved was loads of personal flames and attacks on both Jolt, MSN, and the NS telegram system. I didn't see one person who stepped in and said the same thing for my case. The large difference between those two are that, here the invader was nice and respectful to the nation getting invaded.

I didn't get to set any rules when all of the Med teamed against me about a month ago despite how many parts of it were quite, er... questionable.

If I can put up with almost three completely idiotic invasions, invasions that massive amounts of other people would ignore, he can RP an invasion that has little wrong with it except for the fact he might lose.

Well, I wasn't involved back then, but the fact remains:

THe defender can IGNORE THE ATTACK OUTRIGHT or refuse to post a response.

You could have, back at the time, ignored Gataway's invasion. THat you did not do so was your choice, and one that I for one respect.

Now, GAtaway's choice is different and he has the right to it. You cannot force him to RP with you if he doesn't want to.

Wether the rest of his region feels the same way or not has yet to be determined. The indications I've received from Waldenburg and a few others is that everything is going along well.

Of course this all could have been worked out via TM or something before you decided to blow up on the forums. Your regionmates have found me and those in Gholgoth more than willing to compromise and make things work, so maybe you should give it a try Gataway.

Must we do this again? Ah...

May I ask what brought about the blanket ignore? What exactly did Haven do to warrant this, in general?

Various incidents to bring bad blood between both regions, AMF and eventually all of Gholgoth ignored Haven [some of us don't and think it was a bad move but meh].

Its best to leave it at that.

Also, Greston, just drop it.

Waldenburg, I added you on AiM.

Also TSS is saying truth.

Must we do this again? Ah...

May I ask what brought about the blanket ignore? What exactly did Haven do to warrant this, in general?

For the reason you're likely about to see unfold in this OOC thread, for reasons WELL known to all remotely associated with the situation *cough*

Long story short, these kinds of OOC arguments, but on a more impressive scale, and accelerated via the fact that everyone has IRC. As TSS says, there are some who think it was a bad idea, and then there are those who think it's bad that we had to, but there's no other functional alternative that we've been able to reach. Not saying it's the fault of Haven or Gholgoth, I've seen both viewpoints, I'm just saying the whole situation was squashed until:
http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14159631&postcount=186

I just don't understand... What's the conflict about? Sorry for butting in, just got told of it from all sides.

It seems that AMF, a 2003 nation, is invading Gataway, a 2007 nation. So Gataway says, "If you invade, you have to deal with my allies too". That's quite reasonable, seeing as otherwise all 2007-2008 would long be conquered by 2003-2004 ones. it. It's not like he puts any other conditions on AMF, like banning AMF's allies from participating, or does he?

So then it seems that it's AMF who is invading a younger nation, without any restrictions on himself, and demanding the younger nation handicaps itself by forgoing the help of their allies.
Of course, it's in AMF's right to say, "If you want to RP with me, you should take no allied help". But what if Gataway actually doesn't, at least not as badly as to ignore his friends?

just for reference, letter from AMF to Haven;

I want you, yes YOU, the person reading this, to make sure and pay attention to what I'm about to say and not just skim it over.

I'm not going to get in the middle of all the childish bickering taking place, because frankly I don't care. I don't care about who's right, who's wrong, who started it, etc. I'm also not going to explain the situation at hand, because if you don't know already then this is of no concern to you. What this all boils down to is this: roleplay.

Roleplay on II has evolved heavily over the past 5 years, and I have been there since the very second that particular forum was made. II used to be nothing but noob spam, so horrid that I lodged complaints to the moderators about it, even going as far as to petition them to shut down the forum. But then I came to the decision that the best way to change II for the better was to roleplay as much as possible and try to inspire people to follow suit, and even though I refuse to outright take credit for the progress the II community has made, one cannot deny that I have been heavily involved with it over the years.

I don't care what your opinion of me is, I really don't. I'm in this game to have fun, a concept which seems to be lost on many these days. I know that unless I point fingers, what I say is simply going to be dismissed as "a conspiracy of people that he wouldn't name that did something bad that he wouldn't clearly specify", but I'm not going to waste my time and effort because the people who are to blame KNOW who they are. There is simply no longer any benefit to RPing with Haven because of this stupid personality cult that hangs over it, and those who are apart of it have, in the past, ruined perfectly good RP's because they didn't get their way 100%. Somehow there is this sense of entitlement, this sense that your "opponent" in a RP has to simply bend over and spread 'em because they think their nations and militaries are so much better and cannot be beaten.

I however am not going to sit here and act like Gholgoth has never done anything wrong, because we're not so self righteous that we can't admit our faults. We know damn well the mistakes that we've made, and they've been fixed or are in the process of being fixed long term. We were involved in the bickering during the last failed NATO+Gholgoth versus Haven escapade, however this was initiated by HAVEN the second they started reading posts that they didn't agree with (IE:, that didn't result in immediate defeat upon the first attack). You nitpicked that thread to DEATH, and ever since then we have been reluctant to waste any more time with you lot. Since then it's been the little things that have further solidified in our mind that RPing with Haven is useless, and the last Haven war was what sealed the deal for us because several of us tried to get involved in some manner. There is a complete lack of willingness to put your damn egos on hold for the sake of a good story, a complete lack of willingness to cooperate and compromise, and no interest in anything except "winning" at all costs.

But after all, what is "winning" in NationStates? Truth be told there is no such thing, and at the end of the day all that remains is the threads we leave behind, and future waves of RPers will judge this RP community and its members based on those threads and its contents. Those of you in Haven who have seemingly gone out of your way to stomp on the very spirit of cooperative II RP will be remembered for what you do, as corny as it may sound. We in Gholgoth however are choosing to move in a new direction, because WE founded this region for several reasons:

1. We're friends.
2. We wanted this region to be known for good RP.
3. We wanted to help promote good RP and further strengthen the II community.

We thus far have failed at the latter two. We've failed because we've been too focused on this ridiculous rivalry with a group of RPers who, quite frankly cannot RP well. Do NOT misinterpret this as me saying you lot cannot write well, because you CAN and should be commended for your ability to properly use the English language. I say that you cannot RP well because you ignore the very basis for free form RP; cooperation. Without it there isn't a damned thing ANY of us can do, because any sort of progress can only be made if one side allows the other side to make said progress. Nobody in NS is obligated to accept anything anyone does in the slightest, and the only way any of us can do much of anything is if we cooperate with those we interact with. Now, does this mean that all of Gholgoth are great RPers?

By my definition, no. We have our shortcomings, and we recognize that. We realize now that there is no point in flaunting any kind of 'supremacy' one may think they have, we realize now that there can be no good RP unless you cooperate and compromise, and bickering over petty details is an absolute waste of time. We intend to change that, because we want to get back to the roots of what this region was founded on by our veteran members; good RP. So needless to say, we plan to do just that. We're going to be broadening our horizons and getting back into the old swing of things, but first there have to be changes. The internal changes I spoke of earlier are being made and will take effort over the long term to succeed, however there is one external change we must make before we can move on.

As I said once in this thread already, there is no longer any benefit to RPing with Haven for the reasons I have specified. Therefore Gholgoth has collectively decided that it would be best for us if we no longer RP'd with Haven, because frankly unless Haven works its own kinks out and collectively gets their egos under control and heads out of the clouds, there can be no good RP between us. Since we are no longer RPing with you guys we are also taking ourselves off the map with Haven, so therefore there is no longer a distance issue between us. I'm really sorry to inform the Haven crew of this, but none of you have any say in this decision. We will be placing ourselves on a new map with several other RPing regions, and frankly we do not care what anyone's opinions of them are, nor do we care what your opinions are of our decision. They have all agreed to this and are looking forward to what the future holds. Link.

We're going down a new path, and you guys will not be coming with us.

Wether or not you consider this an ignore is up to you, but I don't think most people in Gholgoth will be ignoring Haven forever. If perhaps sometime in the future you would like to discuss matters with us in a civil manner, you're more than welcome to do so. However this won't be taking place now or anytime in the immediate future. We have a lot of work to do to better ourselves, and so do you. We wish you guys the best.

- Automagfreek

It did not work Allanea. Mine is the absolute epitome of screwy technology it would be better if you gave me yours probably, although again maybe not. Try it again I didn't see the little pop up thing. Same thing AMF.

So if a player was to leave Haven that would solve the issue? I do not endorse this but must wonder?

V10: AMF has not disallowed him of all allies, just Havenites because of the bad blood between Haven and Gholgoth, anyone from any other region would have been fine.

Gataway accused AMF of being a hypocrite when he disallowed Allanea from helping Gataway but allowed Thrashia to help Gholgoth [who has since been disallowed].

I just don't understand... What's the conflict about? Sorry for butting in, just got told of it from all sides.

It seems that AMF, a 2003 nation, is invading Gataway, a 2007 nation. So Gataway says, "If you invade, you have to deal with my allies too". That's quite reasonable, seeing as otherwise all 2007-2008 would long be conquered by 2003-2004 ones. it. It's not like he puts any other conditions on AMF, like banning AMF's allies from participating, or does he?

So then it seems that it's AMF who is invading a younger nation, without any restrictions on himself, and demanding the younger nation handicaps itself by forgoing the help of their allies.
Of course, it's in AMF's right to say, "If you want to RP with me, you should take no allied help". But what if Gataway actually doesn't, at least not as badly as to ignore his friends?

No, AMF and Warmaster are invading the ENTIRE Mediterranica and Gataway is one of their main targets. AMF doesn't acknowledge Haven's existance as a whole and will not let any Havenite join. This got Gat annoyed because he wanted to bring the Havenites in. AMF is allowing him to call in every ally or nation he sees as long as it isn't from Haven.

More like: AMF, Warmaster, Novacom, Drakonian Imperium, Sniper Country, and Crimm, aided by Thrashia, Vetalia, and Greston, are invading 4-5 Mediterranican nation.

My AiM is MicroBalrog.

More like: AMF, Warmaster, Novacom, Drakonian Imperium, Sniper Country, and Crimm, aided by Thrashia, Vetalia, and Greston, are invading 4-5 Mediterranican nation.

Well see the thing is, the only nations on that list that have posted are AMF, Warmaster, and Crimm. There is those three invading at least eight nations and their colonies.

I love how Gholgoth is instigating this petty ignore still when these problems are over two months old now and have all be resolved, very childish as I would personally like to starting RP'ing with Gholgoth again.

Well see the thing is, the only nations on that list that have posted are AMF, Warmaster, and Crimm. There is those three invading at least eight nations and their colonies.


ALL OF THESE PEOPLE have posted, I'm taking their names from the RP thread

I love how Gholgoth is instigating this petty ignore still when these problems are over two months old now and have all be resolved, very childish as I would personally like to starting RP'ing with Gholgoth again.

You can still go toe to toe with me. I haven't ignored anyone in two years. Don't intend to start now.

Sorry Allanea et all; I can't get yahoo\MSN\AIM working for the life of me. I can add your names but you all appear as offline when they are most patently not.

I am discussing things with members of Gholgoth to possibly re-enter the rp.

I love how Gholgoth is instigating this petty ignore still when these problems are over two months old now and have all be resolved, very childish as I would personally like to starting RP'ing with Gholgoth again.


You can troll all you want, but it's not going to change anything. I'm much happier (as are some in Gholgoth) now that my/our hands have been washed of you.


V10, Gholgoth is invading the entire Mediterranica region. I have told Gataway and others in Mediterranica that they are welcome to call on every alliance in I.I. and every roleplaying region in the game that they want as long as it is not Haven. I'm not going into specifics as to why Haven is being ignored, but Gataway is demanding that said ignore be lifted so he can bring in Allanea.

I don't see why not allowing 1 person to enter the war is suddenly chopping him off at the knees when there are plenty of other non-Haven nations he can summon to assist himself and the Med.

There are several more besides Allanea AMF, anyways I am off

Greston just bailed. And I mean he bailed on everything.

[23:26] <Crimm> Greston: I have only told this to one person alreay but now I shall let it be known to you all: I am quiting NS
[23:26] <Crimm> Greston: It has been too many a times that I have recieved messages in my telegrams box, in my email in box, and on MSN that have threatened me, harassed me and insulted my intelligence
[23:26] <Crimm> Greston: I am much smarter of a man than is known to the players of the game and it has been neglected and abused by nations who feel that there is no help for the new players and ones who just aren't as smart
[23:27] <Crimm> Greston: Well I refuse to be surrounded by such idiocy and hypocracy, perhaps the elitist air of this game shall pass and I may come back, but until such a day I will longer waste my time to be harassed
[23:27] <Crimm> Greston: You may insult my intelligence, my gender, my state of mind, my mental attitude, and how I RP. You may call me a faggot, a failure, a loser, a dumbass, a retard, a prole, or what ever comes to mind
[23:27] <Crimm> Greston: But no matter how many times you can tell me to shut up and no matter how many times you can curse until the demons come home, I will not get rid of the last bit of decency inside me and lose the fun
[23:27] <Crimm> Greston: I will be leaving for however long it takes the rest of NS to get the decency to respect eachother's personalities and their levels of importance
[23:27] <Crimm> all from the ODECON chatbox



WELL... that puts a small chink in things.

just a bit...that pretty much screws up what im doing the RP at the moment.

By the way enough with the arguing about Haven. I wouldn't want Haven in this anyway even if AMF/Gholgoth didn't mind.

OMGZ INTERNETZ DRAMA
This is why I usually don't enjoy RPing anymore. Seriously, read the last few pages out loud. That's what got me out of FT, and it's about to get me out of this shit.



Beyond that, I'd like to prod someone in the Med about a two on two outside this mess. I think TPF was interested in intervening, so I might prod him if said Med person would like him as an ally.

just a bit...that pretty much screws up what im doing the RP at the moment.

By the way enough with the arguing about Haven. I wouldn't want Haven in this anyway even if AMF/Gholgoth didn't mind.

Now that Greston is out, I don't really care about smearing Gataway on the walls anymore (not 100% true, but still...). Consider my request to join withdrawn.

Greston: EMORAGEQUIT

I think TPF was interested in intervening, so I might prod him if said Med person would like him as an ally.
Oh where did you hear this gem from?

You can troll all you want, but it's not going to change anything. I'm much happier (as are some in Gholgoth) now that my/our hands have been washed of you.


V10, Gholgoth is invading the entire Mediterranica region. I have told Gataway and others in Mediterranica that they are welcome to call on every alliance in I.I. and every roleplaying region in the game that they want as long as it is not Haven. I'm not going into specifics as to why Haven is being ignored, but Gataway is demanding that said ignore be lifted so he can bring in Allanea.

I don't see why not allowing 1 person to enter the war is suddenly chopping him off at the knees when there are plenty of other non-Haven nations he can summon to assist himself and the Med.

Well, I cant really comment exact circumstances (like who is allied with whom) of current dispute, as I have been totally out of touch with Mediterranica affairs for quite some time. But many nations in NS dont have very many allies, especially outside their own region. And for that average NS nation, this already short list of allies will probably get even shorter then counting only those capable for participating in conflict against major Gholgothic powers.
If Allanea is like only major non-Med allie of Gataway, who is ready to support him against Gholgothic invasion, then there is nothing strange or wrong about Gataway wanting to bring him in. Average II-er can't be expected to take Haven-Gholgoth ignore into account then creating their IC diplomacy and alliances.

OK, so what do we do now? Is Greston's islands gone and replaced with water or replaced with unoccupied land? Is anything he has done in this RP still in effect or are we retconning his existence for the purposes of this RP?

Aschenhyrst, i've started an invasion of islay and should arrive in twelve ns hours (from RL 7:06 pm Eastern Standard time)

May I call your attention to post #134 on page 9 of this thread? I`m temporarily out of this because I`m working way too much to participate, work and sleep. I will resond to your invasion as time allows but don`t expect anything to materialize quickly. Most of my involvement until this rush at work subsides is limited to material/moral support for the MU allies. Today is the first time in ten days that I`ve had enough time off to attempt to catch up on the events that are unfolding in the MU vs Gholgoth conflict.
FYI: I use MT/PMT equipment with retrofits of existing tech on equipment it wasn`t initially intended for. Not terribly wanked-out but plausible adaptations of various weapons systems. Islay is home to the largest penal colony in the Dominion so there is a sizible garrison stationed there.

Olm: Nice to hear from you again.

Gholgoth/Haven feud: I`ll keep my opinions of that to myself as it would only feed the fire. I believe that my feelings about one party were revealed during a recent conflict with them and on the other party in discussion over a year ago in our regional forums. Honestly, I`d love to see these two super-powers knock the hell out of each other. Now that would be a interesting RP, no one else involved.

OK, so what do we do now? Is Greston's islands gone and replaced with water or replaced with unoccupied land? Is anything he has done in this RP still in effect or are we retconning his existence for the purposes of this RP?

For all practicle purposes: Greston`s land would remain intact for the purpose of the RP. How his actions play out in the RP would be up to AMF, since he started the thread. After this is over, his territories would be modified and doled out to newcomers to the region by consent of the regional inhabitants. This is established past practice in the region !!!!

I actually would prefer to see some good come out of Greston's departure. Perhaps an RP about the Grestonian government capitulating and anarchy taking over, while foreign powers try to either occupy the territory or protect the Grestonian people from occupation.

If I know anything about Greston, its that he would never object to imperialism :D

For all practicle purposes: Greston`s land would remain intact for the purpose of the RP. How his actions play out in the RP would be up to AMF, since he started the thread. After this is over, his territories would be modified and doled out to newcomers to the region by consent of the regional inhabitants. This is established past practice in the region !!!!

What if one of Gholgoth's members goes "oooo... Land!" and jumps on it? Not saying it'll happen... but the thought had occurred to me that I could do a cheap snagging of some islands at very little military cost. Then again, I don't really have the amount of forces in the area to take a chunk of land that big, defend it AND continue the invasion. I'd have to do one or the other.

Well, I think that we should RP some sort of collapse of the Grestonian government.

Well, I think that we should RP some sort of collapse of the Grestonian government.

Since Greston was allied with us, our forces would probably preemptively invade and annex or create a new puppet regime in the territory (especially considering the proximity of our as well as Gholgothic forces). We could divide the nation between our allies to prevent MU forces from being able to capitalize on that disorder (since it would pose a serious threat to our own security).

Since Greston was allied with us, our forces would probably preemptively invade and annex or create a new puppet regime in the territory (especially considering the proximity of our as well as Gholgothic forces). We could divide the nation between our allies to prevent MU forces from being able to capitalize on that disorder (since it would pose a serious threat to our own security).

ODECON peacekeepers would be getting involved for sure, seeing as Greston is a member. Our primary goal would be the protection of Grestonian civilians, though.

OK. So divvy it up or jointly operate it and permanently or only until the war is over? Perhaps Gholgoth gets it after the war is over in order to keep tabs on its new order? Just an idea.

OK, so what do we do now? Is Greston's islands gone and replaced with water or replaced with unoccupied land? Is anything he has done in this RP still in effect or are we retconning his existence for the purposes of this RP?

Read Wald's post below

just a bit...that pretty much screws up what im doing the RP at the moment.

By the way enough with the arguing about Haven. I wouldn't want Haven in this anyway even if AMF/Gholgoth didn't mind.

Yal, TG

Greston will be removed from the map (however I suggest we save the land mass on another map) his lands will not be divided nor invaded by either side. All of his actions thus far will be cannon however shall longer participate as is obvious.

WP - Concerning Nuevo Italia, could I have some sort of idea of what is there and what is there that would be common knowledge within the region?

Waldenburg - so you'll fill in for him and we can have a break down of his gov't after the war or is the gov't going to breakdown now, he no longer participating, his actions thus far being cannon and no invasion due to civil war? I didn't quite understand.

WP - Concerning Nuevo Italia, could I have some sort of idea of what is there and what is there that would be common knowledge within the region?

MAP OF NUEVO ITALIA (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/772/nuevoitaliacv8.png)

It is the location of West Ponente's nuclear arsenal, for starters. It is has a high population density, and a population of around 50 million. There is a mountain range running through the center of the peninsula, the west coast is hilly and the east is mostly plains. The native people speak Italian and English. Anything else specific you wish to know?

There will be no invasion, no break down of government, Greston is out of the war and will no longer be in anything. I have promised to keep it just as it is and Greston will not be changed in the slightest. Consider it Terra non Grata, as for the matter of the Gothic ships there I have yet to decide.

There will be no invasion, no break down of government, Greston is out of the war and will no longer be in anything. I have promised to keep it just as it is and Greston will not be changed in the slightest. Consider it Terra non Grata, as for the matter of the Gothic ships there I have yet to decide.

I'd suggest stating that Greston's government has allowed safe passage through territorial waters, but nothing more. Easiest thing to do.

I assume that what you have said already would be information available to my government. I think that that should be all, with the exception of an ORBAT. I will be sending 576,000 men, however only 48,000 are actual soldiers. I assume the mountain range is around Florencia, Ariala and Salerna area and that Roma is a little hilly and on the coast.

The first target will be Roma and I am sending 6,000 soldiers but an openning bombardment will strike you first. I am expecting some defense against the approach towards your land, however that is your call and I will make my bombardment post tomorrow if nothing has shown up.