NationStates Jolt Archive

I mean, there are Indian states with over a hundred million people, and more European nation-sized states than you can shake a chapati at.
Which reminds me, wasn't there a proposal for a huge Scandinavian confederacy? This would once again fill a void in northern Europe, and, depending on its stance, might well tip the scales in one direction or another.

Oh, and of course, the BeNeLux-countries remain unclaimed. A shame, in my eyes.

Welll.... Id imagine the official posistion of the Viceroy would be that the Gupta Dynasty occupies integral territory of the colony of British India, so itd probably hate it, and turn the border with Burma into the North-West Frontier in terms of the firepower deployed on my side, and probably on your side, so wed end up with some kind of watchful peace scenario. Both sides waiting for the event that will start another war in the jungle that would probably drag on for years and cost millions of lives.

I'd encourage you to say that Gran Colombia never broke up, to avoid those awkward annexation things. Generally when you annex somewhere, you have to remember to RP a secessionist movement, since very few people actually want to be annexed.

Er, anyhow. I rather like the Gran Colombia idea, I guess.

Well, fair enough. I believe its a good idea to say the Gran Colombia never broke up. Yeah, I'll RP maybe an independence movement that wants to break away from the whole nation.

Well, I think it's okay to let The Royal-Union on board, then, since we've heard no objections so far. At least to let him start out and see how it goes.

Spiz's proposal sounds interesting at least. Maybe slightly at odds in nature with the British, but complex and involved enough for that not to matter too much.

I may just like the idea of it because I'm already planning the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Nadu as an adjunct to the victorious Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, of course ;)

Good to see the return of the Mac (sorry). We all had our share of disagreements last time around, but hopefully we'll work things out better this time around. We could do with some more representation in the Middle East, really. At the moment there's not going to be a lot for Israel to do!

Minor notes to Gurg: Bulgaria is also part of the BDR. I think maybe, as far as possible, it might help to put the claims in some sort of regional order. Maybe it doesn't really matter, but it'd be easier on the eye. Or something. Of course I cock it up by being on two continents, but, er, yeah :)

Right, time for my first haircut in over half a year. Then off to the backpackers pub and brain-wracking efforts to remember her unpronounceable Japanese name. If I'm not around much this weekend, either: 1) winner! or 2) my room mate's girlfriend's staying over and they're watching DVDs on the laptop all weekend.

What do I have to do now? Set up a factbook or what?

We seem to be suffering a slow-down of late, so I suppose you've a fair bit of freedom on what to do. Most of our central players are still here, I think for the long-haul, but we're posting at a very low rate at the moment. Since nobody else can be arsed to comment, I say we let you have a go, and start RPing in AMW.

A factbook or sort of homepage thing would be fine. Feel free to start some sort of RP thread, a story about life in your nation, something to establish your main characters, or an appeal to the world for a meeting or some other form of interaction.

The only thing I think we don't want is random invasions of NPC (non/not-player-controlled) countries not mentioned in your original claim. Some Earth RPs let you attack random NPC countries just to expand your claim, but I think in AMW if you want to do that you should include it in our original claim application or whatever, saying that you want to attack it at the start.

We've also got The Akink Accords (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=561683) going on at the moment, which would be open to pretty much any nation if you want to send a character just to get to know people. The meetings are supposed to be about energy scarcity and climate change, but it is doubtful if anything meaningful will be achieved. Realistic, I think!

Here I am, trying to pick a quiet, inoffensive corner of the world for my new nation, and now there's a potentially hostile and massive power staring at it across the Palk Strait! Unthinkable!

;)

But for serious. This will probably change the nature of the Republic's relationship with Britain somewhat, though Ceylon as it is can't really afford to offend anybody too much, especially anybody too close to home. No doubt Colombo will do its best to encourage pro-democracy and pro-independence movements on the subcontinent, albeit very covertly, while hoping that London's influence will be sufficient to prevent the viceregal authorities from attempting an invasion.

Would the UK itself be distant enough from its Indian colony for Ceylon to maintain a defense force largely reliant on British systems, or should Sweden be courted more closely?

More to the point, I approve Spizania's proposal, for what it counts.

Also, I'm probably not going to be on NS at all regularly for the next few months, at most bi-monthly. I'd prefer to keep the Republic of Ceylon as I've so far laid it out, but in the event that the island is involved in an RP, feel free to jump in and play the Republic. I'm not too attached to the country, so whatever happens, it isn't a big deal. I just don't want my absence to be an obstacle.

Indomartus will try to keep any chaos confined to the north.

If all else fails, perhaps Spyr could arm Ceylon, to a point, in response to Beddgelert's persistent meddling on the island. The Air Tigers are getting withdrawn MiG-21 Lancers in the near future, you know :)

Whats the condition of China? I need people to sell Heroin/Opium too :D

Which reminds me, wasn't there a proposal for a huge Scandinavian confederacy? This would once again fill a void in northern Europe, and, depending on its stance, might well tip the scales in one direction or another.

Oh, and of course, the BeNeLux-countries remain unclaimed. A shame, in my eyes.
Hello.

I've been skimming through this thread after I was referred here by Spiz, and I saw that Scandinavia was open. Well, Franberry claimed it a few pages back but I've talked with him and he's not really interested in that anymore, so I thought I'd stake a claim for it if you'll permit me. More specifically, I'd like Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark.

Basically, if I get it I'll be RPing it as having been one nation-state continuously since 1397 when it was first established by King Erik of Pommern. However, in this alternate history the Engelbrekt uprising of 1434 failed miserably and was brutally crushed by the combined Danish-Norwegian forces, and the instigators executed publically as a warning. Of course, since the Engelbrekt uprising was crushed and the union authorities clearing out the opposition in Sweden, including the pretenders to the throne(s), the second uprising that ousted Erik of Pommern from his throne never happened and Erik was able to consolidate his powers and carry the union on.

The next obstacle would be the reformation and the ousting of catholicism. In the real world this caused several headaches in both Norway (my native country btw), Sweden (Finland was part of Sweden from the 13th century onwards) and Denmark, and it probably would have in the Kalmar Union as well. However, after a short civil war that ended with the Catholics expulsed and Lutheran Protestantism having been affirmed as the state religion round about 1536, the union returned to a state of relative peace, with the Monarch's forces maintaining the peace and quelling any uprisings that might occur. However, during the religious conflicts Copenhagen was burned to the ground, forcing the authorities to move the capital to Kalmar in Sweden, then to Trondheim in Norway, before it was finally settled in Kristiania in eastern Norway in 1683.

Over time, parliamentarism got hold of the Union and led to the Kalmar Union's constitution in 1768, which established the limitations to the Monarch's powers, the fundamental freedoms of the people, and so on and so forth, basically laying the foundation for the union to be able to claim the same level of prosperity that RL modern-day Scandinavia has.

Politically, the Kalmar Union is considered a Parliamentary Monarchy and has its legislative powers in a unicameral federal assembly (Rikstinget) that consist of two representatives from each counties in Norway, Sweden, Finland (considered part of Sweden) and Denmark, about 130 representatives representing 65 counties (Norway: 19; Sweden: 21; Finland: 20; Denmark: 5). The executive powers in the form of the Cabinet, which advise the Monarch (who holds the grand title King of Scandinavia, hereunder King of Norway, King of Sweden and Finland, and King of Denmark), are drawn from Rikstinget. The Monarch serves as Head of State, but has almost no real powers save for the power to declare war and peace and a right to stop acts from turning into laws through veto (he has to sign every piece of legislation before it is law); while the Prime Minister serves as Head of Goverment and is in charge of running the country. Elections are held every four years to Rikstinget. The judiciary is independent and exist in the form of the Supreme Court.

As far as foreign relations go, I'm going to build on the idea that Franberry originally posed with holding firmly onto the foothold on continental Europe in form of Denmark and being rather paranoid about losing that foothold, as well as looking with a very suspicious eye on the goings on in Russia and the Baltic states, having long-term aspirations to add/return those to the Union. Furthermore, the union will be very protective when it comes to its natural resources, including the vast oil fields in the North and Norwegian Seas and the fisheries. To reflect this, the bulk of the Union Army will be located in Finland and northern Norway, ready to defend against any potential Russian aggression, while the Union Navy is concentrated along the Norwegian coast and the Baltic coastline. The Union Air Force is deployed to support the other two branches in their missions. The Kalmar Union uses conscription.

The Union will be very open for diplomacy, trade and what-not, and will likely be at least a regional power.

So there you have it. That's my idea for the Scandinavia in AMW, if you decide to let me in.

A little more satisfying than the ordinary Scandinavia-as-one-because claims drifting about NS.

Is Iceland still to be independent, then? I can see the cod wars getting nasty, otherwise =)

But the over-seas territories of Denmark and Norway -Greenland, the Faroes, Norway's Antarctic territories-, would your proposed state still have pursued and maintained control of all those? I doubt it matters from the point of view of your claim's approval, I'm just wondering.

I couldn't approve your claim on my own, but it looks in order to me, and we need more European activity, so I'm for it, unless someone raises vaild objections soon.

Err, the Union would probably have laid claim to Greenland, the Faroes and probably Iceland too (is Iceland open?), and been willing to back it up with force if need be, as well as having made noise in the past about the northern parts of the British isles belonging to the union due to historical reasons but leaving it at that...at least for the moment.

It would seem that if Iceland is open and I claim Iceland too, it's going to be a very big land claim. How about Iceland serving as a de jure protectorate of the Union but being de facto autonomous to do whatever it please?

Note that this all depends on my claim being accepted.

I would be supportive of the historic role in Greenland and a further claim including Iceland. I think this is a great claim and I totally approve. I would like to see some more details in teh way of a factbook, though, so we can talk about the details. I am also interested historically, what occured in WW 2? I am assuming there was still an invasion, and that the heroic defence took place, though with a nited Scandinavia, they would have been able to hold out a lot better. What do you think?

I like it... any objections?

What is going on, did we lose him?

I'm here, waiting for word if I'm in or out...

Ah, I think you're in, mate. You've waited long enough, and got nothing but positive responses so far. Good enough!

Updated List of Claims, with Factbook Links:

LRR/Crooked Beat-Lower Ceylon
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=101

Quinntonian Dra-pol- USA, Canada
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=103

Spyr- Northerm Portion of China and South-Pacific Region of Russia
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=12&st=105

Beth Gellert-Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary (also Upper Ceylon)

Tamil Eelam (Upper Ceylon): http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=102

Beddgelan Democratic Republic (Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary):
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=105

Gurguvungunit- UK, Ireland, Egypt, Sudan, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=4

Nova Gaul- Mexico, Dominican Republic, Haiti
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=109

Vecron-France, Spain, Italy and Greece
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=99

Cassanos-Germany, Poland
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=107

Kievskaya Rus-Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=100

Walmington on the Sea- Isle of Wight

Spizania- India

Dra-pol- N. Korea

OK, just wanted to post an updated list of claims. For the last three, I can't find anything more than I have right here.

Also:
Cotland-Norway, Denmark (with Greenland?), Sweden, Finland, and Iceland


So, could Spizania, WoS, and now Cotland be provide us with the missing pieces? Basically, from Spizania, I am looking forward to something in the way of a factbook, but maybe you have one and I am just lost as to where to find it? WoS, same thing, but also what are the borders of your claim? Cotland, start working on your factbook, but even more importantly, an introductory few posts/thread that will get you into the flow of things, and welcome, yes, you are in.

Also, I am just including people that I have noticed being active, who am I missing? AMW China? Where is he? Dammit, Africa as well, I need to add them, will get to that. Has anyone seen Talost and Co.? I will add them when I hear from them, I guess.

In fact, we have a tonne of inactive claims on the go. Who would like to take the responsibility of messaging all of the claims that are on the first page and asking them if they are serious about continuing or not? I just don't have the time.

I probably could do it. I seem to be around a lot.

A few things: Spyr's claim is in China (and a bit of Russia? I don't have on hand his exact claim, but it'll be around, and he's got it mapped out). North Korea (and part of South Korea) is still Dra-pol. That area's quiet at the moment, but the guys are still around.

WoS is just the Isle of Wight (an English county IRL).

I keep forgetting whether or not Spiz's claim covers Pakistan and Bangladesh as well as India.

I probably could do it. I seem to be around a lot.

A few things: Spyr's claim is in China (and a bit of Russia? I don't have on hand his exact claim, but it'll be around, and he's got it mapped out). North Korea (and part of South Korea) is still Dra-pol. That area's quiet at the moment, but the guys are still around.

WoS is just the Isle of Wight (an English county IRL).

I keep forgetting whether or not Spiz's claim covers Pakistan and Bangladesh as well as India.

Thanx, will update!

Well, as mentioned amidst some Quinntonian pestering, I'm looking at a relaunch that may actually stick. Having written out several potential posts for my earlier proposed claim and neglected -for several months- to post them, it has become apparent that my heart's just not in it. So, if it's acceptable (Quinntonia seems enthusiastic, so far!), a new, scaled-back claim:

Portugal.

That's all. But not as Portugal.

Instead, Islamic Iberia lives! ...a bit!

I want to propose that some of the Taifas -the little kingdoms, emirates, whatever you want to call them, that rose, briefly, from the wake of Al Andalus-, with their backs to the sea, held on against Almoravid, Almohad, and Catholic assaults. Sevilla and Badajoz lost their capitals (because they're in Spain), and with them their relative domination of what would be Portugal, enabling a more equable distribution of power amongst the surviving minor Taifas there. With none able to subdue the rest, they instead concentrated on their mutual survival and were able to resist until, eventually, their populations became inextricably what they are, and relations with the Christian world gradually normalised.

Probably the modern nation, such as it is, will consist of a fairly large number of Taifas ruled by Muslim kings and federalised under the auspices of The United Taifas of the West of Al-Andalus (or West Andalus, or Al-Andalus).

On that note I wonder, would anyone happen to know how close-to/far-from making sense Al Tawā'if Al-Gharb Al-Andalus Al-Muttahidah might be as a (deliberately somewhat extravagant) local long-form name?

This claim would also enable me to have lots of colour through the numerous Taifas, which, like the Emirates of the UAE, would each have their own outlook and characterisations. One may even restore an equivalent to ol' hippo-reader Tchokareff.

Despite some extravagance and eccentricities, by and large the Union would be characterised by rich cultural life, ethnic and religious diversity, enterprising economic pursuits, and averting over-night Romano-Christianisation. Arabic and Mozarabic would be the major languages, with Hebrew, Spanish, Latin, and English probably having fairly widespread understanding to various degrees (Hebrew may be reduced in significance if we end up with an active Israel and the large Jewish minority shrinks significantly). Islam would be the national religion, but Judaism and Catholicism would be present on a significant minority basis, though religious laws would vary to some degree from Taifa to Taifa, and indeed king to king.

The armed forces would have to be stronger than RL Portugal's, I suppose, as the history of warfare would be massively more intense and the current threat immeasurably greater, but with 10.6 million citizens and a focus on defence, this would hardly be a global military power. Individual kings would compete for military prestiege just as they would for cultural glory, but not much campaigning would get done without the agreement of many monarchs.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_ralish__1.jpg
Union standard.

So?

I'm here, don't worry. I just lost interest in NationStates in general a few months back when I got real depressed, but I'm on a stronger dose of medication now and I feel fine. Once my work load for school eases in a few weeks I can spend a lot of time with NS again. I'd love to get that RP I had going started again, since it did have potential. Ideally I'd like to see some of the nearby African nations more active as well, particularly Fall's claim, but I know he's had a lot of real life issues in recent months.

Talost: Looking forward to it. Please let us know ASAP if you have anything to add to your claim in the way of a factbook. That is, ASAP after you do it, get your schooling done now.

Ralish: So exciting. I am absolutely stoked. So, when would have this Muslim Empire come about? The reason I ask is that the Portugese were so predominanetly Roman Catholic and have left a large world-wide imprint on many nations globally. And I wouldn't want to change the character of those nations (Brazil, etc.) too much in case someone comes in to claim it. Perhaps there still is vestiges of a large Roman Catholic presense, that the Islamic presenc started from the top down, with the leadership solidly Islamic, and the population slowly, over time converting as generation after generation live under relatively tolerant Islamic rule? Maybe a 10% Roman Catholic population left?

I am stoked to see what Rome will think. This could be a lot of fun. Or maybe you will be close allies with Rome, as a monarchy? Hmmmm.

Speaking of Brazil, yes I'm still totally interested, I just want to get my history and such down straight before committing, participating in the blood sacrifice and joining AMW for good. I'm not sure I want to go with exactly what I proposed pages and ages back, as far as where my alternate history diverges and how it interacts with the other powers. But it'll still be just Brazil in terms of territory. (I have no plans for empire building, it's a big headache. And its not as if Brazil isn't big enough as it is already.)

I was hoping that Trostia would say that, and maybe it would mean that Brazil doesn't have to be Portuguese.

However, I have just realised that LRR's Ceylon may need Portuguese influence in its history. Ah, a complication! But perhaps it can be worked out. Wazir! My thinking cap!

Updated List of Claims, with Factbook Links:

LRR/Crooked Beat-Lower Ceylon
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=101

Quinntonian Dra-pol- USA, Canada
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=103

Spyr- Northerm Portion of China and South-Pacific Region of Russia
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=12&st=105

Beth Gellert-Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary (also Upper Ceylon)

Tamil Eelam (Upper Ceylon): http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=102

Beddgelan Democratic Republic (Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary):
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=105

Gurguvungunit- UK, Ireland, Egypt, Sudan, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=4

Nova Gaul- Mexico, Dominican Republic, Haiti
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=109

Vecron-France, Spain, Italy and Greece
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=99

Cassanos-Germany, Poland
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=107

Kievskaya Rus-Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=100

Cotland-Norway, Denmark (with Greenland?), Sweden, Finland, and Iceland
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=110

Walmington on the Sea- Isle of Wight
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=567669

Spizania- India

Dra-pol- N. Korea

Not yet active:


Ralish-Portugal

Trostia-Brazil

OK, just wanted to post an updated list of claims. For the last four, I can't find anything more than I have right here.




So, could Spizania, WoS, and now Cotland be provide us with the missing pieces? Basically, from Spizania, I am looking forward to something in the way of a factbook, but maybe you have one and I am just lost as to where to find it? WoS, same thing, but also what are the borders of your claim? Cotland, start working on your factbook, but even more importantly, an introductory few posts/thread that will get you into the flow of things, and welcome, yes, you are in.

Also, I am just including people that I have noticed being active, who am I missing? AMW China? Where is he? I will add them when I hear from them, I guess.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=567669

I see you've actually got my borders, but that's my factbook. Still under construction, of course.

I note that you've got Talost as Brazil. Talost's was the West African claim, wasn't it? Trostia has Brazil, or may have Brazil. This could be almost as confusing as you using the account with Dra-pol in its name, even though you abandoned all involvment there ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=567669

I see you've actually got my borders, but that's my factbook. Still under construction, of course.

I note that you've got Talost as Brazil. Talost's was the West African claim, wasn't it? Trostia has Brazil, or may have Brazil. This could be almost as confusing as you using the account with Dra-pol in its name, even though you abandoned all involvment there ;)

Corrected. I don't know why that was in my brain. Yeah, my account: I am pretty much just using it out of habit. Maybe at some point I will make the change, who knows? Oh, and do you have a factook for Dra-pol?

I was hoping that Trostia would say that, and maybe it would mean that Brazil doesn't have to be Portuguese.

However, I have just realised that LRR's Ceylon may need Portuguese influence in its history. Ah, a complication! But perhaps it can be worked out. Wazir! My thinking cap!

OH, BTW, it looks as though the current Queen of Mexico is of the Portugese Royal Family. That may need to be worked out.

BTW, Big T, what was your idea for Brazil?

Wont be a problem, we'll just make it ex-royal family or something like that.

I was hoping that Trostia would say that, and maybe it would mean that Brazil doesn't have to be Portuguese.

However, I have just realised that LRR's Ceylon may need Portuguese influence in its history. Ah, a complication! But perhaps it can be worked out. Wazir! My thinking cap!

No Portuguese influence in Brazil? I dunno, but I find that a hard concept to wrap my brain around. I was hoping to aim for a Brazil with minimal changes necessary as far as language, names and culture goes.

OH, BTW, it looks as though the current Queen of Mexico is of the Portugese Royal Family. That may need to be worked out.

BTW, Big T, what was your idea for Brazil?

Right now I'm thinking that with the de-emphasis on the threat of communism, there wouldn't be the 1964 coup, the years of lead, and the modern re-democraticization.

But then I got to thinking about the whole Tsarist/monarchism angle and thought what if the Empire of Brazil never fell, the Republic was never formed? And I kind of like that idea. So now I'm figuring that either the Empire just lasted up til present day (with changes; a constitutional monarchy with the traditionally politically-influential military effectively taking over during periods of weaker central government) or it lasted well into the 20th century but was replaced by a Republic very recently. OR, been toying with the whole fascism angle, maybe something to do with Integralism and the 30's/40's flirtation with the Axis. But the Axis lost, so that might not have turned out to much anyway - and I've kind of been there, done that (well - am doing that, in EE) with fascism. So who knows! Any thoughts, esp. as to Quinntonia's relations/involvement with potential rises of fascism, the monarchy's survival and/or recent fall etc?

Oh, okay, looks like I'll have to go Q's way and have the Moorish element subdued during an era of Portuguese glory, only to reassert itself at some later date.

I think the most obvious course of action would be to have a long-repressed Muslim population pounce in the aftermath of the 1755 earthquake in Lisbon. Possibly part of what I said before will hold true, the Taifas will hold on for longer in Portugal, or parts of it, but will still fall in the end to León and the rest, but there will never the less be several centuries during which the Kingdom of Portugal and other manifestations fully or partially subordinate to Spanish rulers go about colonising Brazil and Ceylon and if need be East Timor, Macau, Mozambique, Angola, parts of India, and where ever else.

Either these nations would need significant Muslim/Arabic/Moorish influence, or I set up a sort of backlash situation.

How about this?: The Taifas hold out for long enough that the imposition of Catholicism on Portugal is a real affront to the majority, and it is for a long time Catholicism that is in the minority, imposed from the top down. Hebrew and Muslim citizens would have to be -quite realistically- brutally persecuted by a Christian elite, and made to do their dirty work in the colonies, even building Churches in the Amazon while trying to figure out which way Mecca might be. When the quake hits in 1755, the Muslim masses -with the help of Jewish moneymen (assuming there remains a Christian aversion to usury)- topple the Catholic elite, and lose touch with most of the empire. OR, they hold on to the Empire at first, but the converts in the colonies turn out to be far more devout Christians than those in Portugal, so the new Muslim rulers in Portugal immediately have loyalist revolts on their hands over-seas. In Portugal, the ruling Muslims are a majority suddenly restored to power, in Brazil and perhaps elsewhere, they are a minority suddenly in power for the first time, and eventually lose control.

Is that overly confusing to everyone outside of my head?

Oh, okay, looks like I'll have to go Q's way and have the Moorish element subdued during an era of Portuguese glory, only to reassert itself at some later date.

I think the most obvious course of action would be to have a long-repressed Muslim population pounce in the aftermath of the 1755 earthquake in Lisbon. Possibly part of what I said before will hold true, the Taifas will hold on for longer in Portugal, or parts of it, but will still fall in the end to León and the rest, but there will never the less be several centuries during which the Kingdom of Portugal and other manifestations fully or partially subordinate to Spanish rulers go about colonising Brazil and Ceylon and if need be East Timor, Macau, Mozambique, Angola, parts of India, and where ever else.

Either these nations would need significant Muslim/Arabic/Moorish influence, or I set up a sort of backlash situation.

How about this?: The Taifas hold out for long enough that the imposition of Catholicism on Portugal is a real affront to the majority, and it is for a long time Catholicism that is in the minority, imposed from the top down. Hebrew and Muslim citizens would have to be -quite realistically- brutally persecuted by a Christian elite, and made to do their dirty work in the colonies, even building Churches in the Amazon while trying to figure out which way Mecca might be. When the quake hits in 1755, the Muslim masses -with the help of Jewish moneymen (assuming there remains a Christian aversion to usury)- topple the Catholic elite, and lose touch with most of the empire. OR, they hold on to the Empire at first, but the converts in the colonies turn out to be far more devout Christians than those in Portugal, so the new Muslim rulers in Portugal immediately have loyalist revolts on their hands over-seas. In Portugal, the ruling Muslims are a majority suddenly restored to power, in Brazil and perhaps elsewhere, they are a minority suddenly in power for the first time, and eventually lose control.

Is that overly confusing to everyone outside of my head?


I think that is great, it puts everyone where they need to be internationally and works for your power structure and gives you a ready made history with some of the PC nations.

As for Brazil, I wouldn't mind seeing a Constitutional Republic, much in the vien of what is going on there now, of some kind. I think that would be excellent. Fascism as a leftist theory is fun and all, but the Royalists are pretty much the big bad right now. But meh.

It is my intention to make a puppet for this as there is no plausible way that I can fit my primary nation in. I'm just using this name because I obviously can't link to roleplays under the name of a puppet I have yet to create.

I would like to claim Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Somalia. In real life, Ethiopia fought Italy at the Battle of Adwa in 1896. Under Emperor Menelik II, the Ethiopians defeated the Italian forces and shocked the world, the first serious defeat of a modern European force by black Africans. In real life, the Ethiopians simply counted their blessings and allowed the respect this earned them to spare them from the Scramble for Africa. They remained independent but poor and undeveloped. However, this is where real life and AMW diverge.

The AMW Ethiopians pushed on into Somalia, largely relying on captured artillery and other more advanced weapons. They drove the Italians into the sea. Previously, Europeans had only suffered this sort of defeat at the hands of the Turks. Menelik, however, knew how far he could go. Instead of growing arrogant with victory, he immediately sought a way to use his victory as a bargaining chip to get Ethiopia the best realistic position she could have in the world. This involved making quite a few economic concessions to the European powers as well as accepting an unofficial client relationship to a European power similar to that pre-Republican Hawaii had with Britain. (I would like another player to fill this role, preferably one of the British-esque countries). The trade off was simply formal recognition of Ethiopian sovereignty and an economic role for Ethiopia in exchange for dominance of Ethiopia's markets and the ability to use Ethiopia's strategic position to strike at other parts of Africa. Ethiopia had no problem being used against her pagan and Muslim neighbors or against European rivals.

During the 1960s, Ethiopia began to industrialize and also to exert greater independence. The conservative, traditional monarchy lost some sway and a representative constitutional monarch came into being. However, Ethiopia's industrialization has been uneven. Some areas are as developed as the first world while third world conditions prevail in the villages. Uneven development has led to greater social upheaval than a simple lack of development ever did and the nation faces increasing conflicts.

RP Samples: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509351&highlight=Ambara

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443469&highlight=Ambara

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489530&highlight=Ambara

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460860&highlight=Ambara

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502744&highlight=Ambara

Sounds interesting enough.

I'm quite tempted to put Walmington forward as that British-esque nation, but the fact that we have only 140,000 citizens might put paid to it. On the other hand, as the British Empire is still big and strong, and controls Egypt and Sudan right next to your proposed nation, they may present the opposite problem and make it hard to believe that they wouldn't have increased their domination of Ethiopia. Walmington would at least be easier to get rid of in the end!

If it worked for you, I would like to suggest a major Walmingtonian role, if this claim ends up receiving general approval. England-in-Miniature Walmington would have put economic concessions or whatever under the control of the Chaspot-Wayne family, which no doubt would have set-up an East Africa Company or African Horn Company or something like that. A tiny Walmingtonian population of adventuring gentry playing out their long-frustrated colonial fantasies and company administrators would be joined by probably a little corps of military officers who'd have helped to train Ethiopian officers and act as middle-men to the British in order to supply the Ethiopian military with relatively modern arms. Since Walmington is still a British Dominion, it'd be possibly a way to associate with the Empire and gain something of its protective power while keeping a little Walmingtonian barrier between Addis and London, mayhap. Maybe at their height, just a couple of thousand Walmingtonians would have been in the country during the '30s and '40s, for the war.

I should stop before I get too deeply into an idea that may not come to anything!

Ooh, maybe the companies could even use their profits to set up a small Walmo-Ethiopian arms industry so that I can explain how Walmington manages to have (a couple of) fighter jets and tanks and such that make little economic sense. It'd be based on modifying British equipment, cheaper or older designs, to make them last longer or be more easily used by little Walmington and relatively poor Ethiopia (delta-wing Gnat? Variable-geometry Lightning? Belt-fed Bren?). Carried away, I am.

Well, if Mennelik was smart, and he was, he might prefer Walmington. It's enough to be credible as a guarantor of sovereignty, at least when combined with the defeat of Italy, but small enough that it would feel neither the desire nor the need to exercise direct control with all the personnel that would involve. Walmingtonian support might also have kept the front open throughout the war or at least for longer when Italy came for the rematch. Walmingtonian business interest might remain dominant in a lot of areas, especially in older industries. Exactly what that might look like depends to an extent on you. I remember back on the NS forums, Walmington was set in the fifties and had, to put it politely, a time appropriate attitude about certain matters. From what I've seen on here, it seems at least some of that remains. What is the prospective of Walmingtonians on such things in the AMW?

P.S. If you did have a bigoted Walmingtonian refer to the Empress as "Prester Joan" at some point, I would giggle. Maybe that makes me evil. I don't know.

Ill take Mexico,Panama, and Cuba if possible, if not, ill play as Panama

Oh, indeed, the current head of the Chaspot estate, Sir Henry Chaspot Wayne, will almost certainly sponsor regular expeditions to the remoter parts of the Omo Valley and various deserts, mountains, and forests in Ethiopia in search of the fountain of youth and other wonders that the isolated Christian Empress is imagined to protect =)

Walmington in AMW is still stuck in the past, but not quite to the degree that it was/is in the rest of NS. After all, the first practical hovercraft was built in Walmington! And Britain's rocketry programme was carried out here! But the people still consider Ceylon their second most important trade partner, because they have the proper tea, and the fact that the British Empire still exists has helped the well-meaning but patronising attitude towards non-Europeans to persist. They'll be delighted when Ethiopia does well, but still in that rather paternalist manner.

Walmington's technology is modern, but the outlook is still early-mid C20th in many ways. Walmington, for example, has a modern telephone exchange, but people's phones still have dials rather than touch pads =) They would indeed gravitate to 'older' industries, since when at home few buy the out-sourcing is a higher state of industrialisation argument, and many are suspicious of 'Americanisation'.
They'd probably advise that the Ethiopians ought to stick to aiming for industrial and agricultural development rather than focusing on the service sector, and Walmington also perhaps would be visible through the on-going publication of The Addis Standard or some such partner newspaper to Walmington's The Standard, which is a bit like a miniature Times from yesteryear.

That makes sense. There might also be a few enclaves where ethnic Walmingtonians still dominate the population that are somewhat overrepresented in business, the civil service, the nobility, and the officer corps. I'll go with the same Westernized orders of chivalry and nobility that characterized the Selassie years IRL. It'll just be a little more old school given that, in this world, sensibilities haven't moved quite as fast as technology.

I love the idea about Ethiopian/ Walmingtonian thingy, with an almost play-acted colonialism based first on trade rather than a military power that simply doesn't exist for WoS. Further, if there were moments of trouble and threat, the option would always be there to turn to the Empire. Pretty much the best of both worlds.



North Calaveras, I think you should read the first page of postings for this thread. We will need to see your ideas and discuss them, as well as some kind of RPing examples.

Also, Mexico is already taken. If you want either Cuba or Panama, I will be very, very, interested in what you would be doing. Especially for Panama, as I play the USA/Canada.

Let us know what you want to do.

Updated List of Claims, with Factbook Links:

LRR/Crooked Beat-Lower Ceylon
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=101

Quinntonian Dra-pol- USA, Canada
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=103

Spyr- Northerm Portion of China and South-Pacific Region of Russia
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=12&st=105

Beth Gellert-Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary (also Upper Ceylon)

Tamil Eelam (Upper Ceylon): http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=102

Beddgelan Democratic Republic (Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary):
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=105

Gurguvungunit- UK, Ireland, Egypt, Sudan, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=4

Nova Gaul- Mexico, Dominican Republic, Haiti
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=109

Vecron-France, Spain, Italy and Greece
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=99

Cassanos-Germany, Poland
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=107

Kievskaya Rus-Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=100

Cotland-Norway, Denmark, Greenland, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=110

Walmington on the Sea- Isle of Wight
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=567669

Spizania- India

Dra-pol- N. Korea



Not yet active:


United Taifas -Portugal
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=574332

Trostia-Brazil

AMW Ethiopia-Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Somalia


The bottom three are still in development.

Yes, with Greenland (although they'll have a lot of autonomy). I'm sorry for lack of participation but I have a political philosophy exam in a week and I have to concentrate on studying :(

Changed above.

I'm a big fan of the proposed Scandinavian state. *clap clap clap*

How would the Russian stance to Scandinavia be?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=574332

Start of a factbook for our new not-so-Portuguese Portugal.

What more do I need before I can begin play?

The Russian feeling towards Scandenavia?
I'm assuming we've been at war over finland for better part of the last milenium. I'm guessing we're historic enemies.

The situation with baltic nations is that Kiev claims them as part of their empire but they are in a state of constant rebellion. I'm picturing them as a land of car bombings and mass drive by shootings as the nationalist resistance tries to fight the the power. With out a structured noble cast in place in this land Kiev continually stuggles to maintain control. I suppose it's probably been policed by the military for the last ten years. I thought it might be fun if Scandenavia supported the rebels, secretly supplying them with weapons or what not.

What more do I need before I can begin play?

If you could put something together in the way of a factbook, I am ready to offer my conditional acceptance. I just want to see how you will flesh your claim out, but I am very supportive of the claim.

I am just going to take liberty for a moment and *bump* this thread.

I would encourage anyone with RP skill to consider joining AMW, it is still wide open and great positions are still available.

A bump too from me.

Updated List of Claims, with Factbook Links:

LRR/Crooked Beat-Lower Ceylon
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...p?showtopic=101 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=101)

Quinntonian Dra-pol- USA, Canada
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...p?showtopic=103 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=103)


Spyr- Northerm Portion of China and South-Pacific Region of Russia
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...topic=12&st=105 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=12&st=105)


Beth Gellert-Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary (also Upper Ceylon)

Tamil Eelam (Upper Ceylon): http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...p?showtopic=102 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=102)

Beddgelan Democratic Republic (Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary):
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...p?showtopic=105 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=105)

Gurguvungunit- UK, Ireland, Egypt, Sudan, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...php?showtopic=4 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=4)

Nova Gaul- Mexico, Dominican Republic, Haiti
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...p?showtopic=109 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=109)

Vecron-France, Spain, Italy and Greece
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...hp?showtopic=99 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=99)

Cassanos-Germany, Poland
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...p?showtopic=107 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=107)

Kievskaya Rus-Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...p?showtopic=100 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=100)

Cotland-Norway, Denmark, Greenland, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...p?showtopic=110 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=110)

Walmington on the Sea- Isle of Wight
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=567669

Talost
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...hp?showtopic=94 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=94)

AMW China-Northern China [Fujian, Guangzhou, Guangxi, Hainan, and other associated islands (Macau, Hong Kong)]
http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/...hp?showtopic=92 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=92)

Spizania- India

Dra-pol- N. Korea



Not yet active:


United Taifas -Portugal
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=574332

Trostia-Brazil

AMW Ethiopia-Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Somalia


The bottom three are still in development.

Anyone out there?

I'm still here and still planning the same claims. It's just exams. I'll be back to posting regularly in a couple weeks.

This looks interesting.

Can I claim the Netherlands, Luxemberg, and Belgium, to form BeNeLux?

Can I claim the Netherlands, Luxemberg, and Belgium, to form BeNeLux?


Read the first page and move forwards.

I'm still here and still planning the same claims. It's just exams. I'll be back to posting regularly in a couple weeks.

Sounds good.

Can I claim the Netherlands, Luxemberg, and Belgium, to form BeNeLux?


What would be your idea?

Akhad: not without some sort of... something to give us an idea of where you'd be going, and a sample of RP.

'lo, chaps.

I'm not sure where we got to map-wise. I think that Gurg had something on the go, but don't immediately see it here, so anyway, I thought I'd do a Europe one, since the BDR is there.

Currently I'm going around all the borders to tidy them up, so this will hopefully look marginally (no pun intended) tidier in future. I hope that Cotland is indeed active and we've not lost anyone else. My initial version had Turkey coloured in as well, but we seem to have lost that guy, right?

I've erased national borders within the BDR, Russian and Roman Empires, Great Britain and Ireland, and Skandinavia, but not Germany-Cassanos, because I understand them to be independent political entities, but if Cas wants that changed, it'll be done in the next update (which comes whenever I feel like it, if nobody offers a better map in the interim).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/europe-1.jpg

Anyway, I think it makes the place look a bit more full and lively. I've been thinking about starting another recruitment thread, because this one's already beyond twenty pages and lots of input has only happened mid-thread and isn't easy for newbies to find. Also I'm bored of people only wanting to take charge of RL nations. We've got too much of that already, and I want to make it clear in the opening post that this isn't Earth: Modern, it's part of Nationstates, including such nations as Dra-pol, Quinntonia, Beddgelert, Spyr, and so on, not North Korea, America, Communist Romania, China, or whatever. Primarily.

If nobody else does it, I'll start on maps of other continents, too, but if I do, I'll certainly need help with some parts, such as Syprian borders and the like.

NS is looking sickly after all these years, and the arrival of NS2, but I think, if anything, it may be AMW's time to shine. A second golden age for AMW, says I! Woo! Yeah... woo... I'm hungry, back later.

Great job, thank you! Hm, looks kinda lonely between those huge blue blocks, but well...

And you're absolutely correct, Germany and Cassanos are two different, sovereign nations, albeit very closely allied.

Just to defend myself from the slanderous accusations that I have not made a map (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c95/Spoat/AMW/AMW20map_3.png), here's what's there so far. It's a touch out of date, but I'm working on it.

In the most recent version, the US and Russia are colored. I'll upload it soon.

Who accused you of that? I just said I couldn't see it, here =)

Still present.

Ah, brilliant! Feel free to start something, or ask anyone about... anything!

I really want AMW to get back on its feet. We have more history than most (despite Q's sabotage in Korea), and some of the better RPers left on NS1, and, to be honest, I'm really liking the way European BG is shaping up.

If nothing happens soon, I'm going to start that new recruitment thread with all of my Beddgelen enthusiasm encapsulated in the first post =)

(Also I'm working on what the Tamils do about being bombed, not to worry!)