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You guys are STILL going on about this....must find new forums

I don't specifically disagree, and don't really follow the logic behind that piece of his thread, but it perhaps is a matter of supply and demand. There are people, however misguided, who maintain fleets of thousands of submarines, and by that they need to be purchased and upgraded ect. When the unit of exchange, as is the case in NS, is the weapon, then expect there to be many weapons. the problem is we are thinking in these real world terms (In WWII the construction and procurement price of ships fell anywhere between 1 and 40% depending on class because they had become needed and industry could be tooled ect.) It is a paradox which i think I will refrain from delving into.

With thought though, I would agree, some may be on stock maybe in this crazy militerizied world, yes, but realistically not all. As a nice halfway point the none nuclear ones will be available to Waldenburg, (they would likely have a shorter build time at any rate) and the others will be in dry dock. That seems rather reasonable in the circumstances especially considering the needed transit time to Haven.

On about what Gat?

the whole getting orders from storefront thing....

Kampfers: Just needed to know, but do you have any superdreanaughts in your fleet that is coming to invade me?

Kampfers: Just needed to know, but do you have any superdreanaughts in your fleet that is coming to invade me?

I don't use Superdreadnoughts.

Actually according to a Tg I just received and includes information that verifys the bit at the bottom of the storefront which says: "Clients must do their own calculations for ordering. Ships are assumed constructed and delivered instantly upon approval of purchase; I don't have enough time to wait a day or two to simulate construction periods."
Allow me to rephrase:

I, and I imagine the rest of the NW crew, will probably not accept any of those vessels being incorporated into this RP unless it runs sufficiently long for them to have been produced ICly during its course.



:| Colo is saying he can't be arsed to wait a day and tell you when your stuff is delivered. That's fine by him. It's up to you to recognize that if you order after the RP starts, then you will need to wait the appropriate IC time for those to be produced.

No comments to me? No questions yet?

Wow, I must be doing something right.

No comments to me? No questions yet?

Wow, I must be doing something right.

You..er...forgot my nukes!

…Ah…Right then… If we must….

Imagine a bulk freighter say 20,000 tons, you could find them anywhere, just the type of ships that would be perfect for moving goods, or even people should the need be. Say this ship can make an average cruising speed of 14 knots, (15.8 MPH appx) of 25 km’s per hours of about kilometers per hour, admirable for a fully laiden freighter. By this we see the ship makes approximately 600 Km’s a day provided there are no mishaps, or indeed port callings, and all the fuel it needs.

Now Imagine Haven, 46,500 Kilometers on a side (33,420 KM’s for it’s same axis, if we are to take pixel count into consideration) add to that the 9,000 kilometers for any Waldenburger ship leaving the Med, then add to that maybe another five thousand till we find a neutral port outside the region where it would be safe to transfer such men as needed to arm said submarines. Then perhaps another 15,000 kilometers from that neutral point into Haven proper, which is extremely small distance considering is only 1\3 of one of Haven’s lateral lengths. Therefore we come out with about 75,000 kilometers for the Waldenburger ship to reach North Point should it be careful in it’s travel.

If we take the earlier speed that is 125 days at sea alone, not counting for poor conditions, fuel, or indeed maritime formalities. So if say these submarines were purchased at the start of hostilities, as all those Havenic ships slipped their moorings and (Despite a few, NP for example who may have been in the area ) needed to travel a nearly equal distance to the Med. Though it may take the Waldenburger ship anywhere up to four additional weeks to arrive in North Point, which I additionally waited a few Rl days, and indeed have not posted of their arrival, which accounts for the movement of my vessels and the ground works to my opinion in this case.

Now if we are to look to submarines, I have already agreed the nuclear vessels would not be available to me in such a short time, so there is no problem there for me. The diesel submarines however I do have some contentions about.

Now if we take into consideration the best example of prefabricated submarine building of course comes in the form of U boats, which were produced in massive numbers. So we look at say U-4712, a type XXIII class, that was laid down on January 3rd 1945 and commissioned, not simply completed, but commissioned on April 3rd, (Also a time when Submarines pens were being bombed right and left) and if we take these months at thirty days a piece, for simplicity we find that 120 days passed between the hull being laid till crews were stomping aboard it decks. If we look at the Type 90-Mako A, it is a very simple ship, possibly for lack of details, or possibly for cheap warfare. If we take the case that the technology in shipbuilding is proportional to the ships being built (Which normally I would say is not true, may be the case here) then by the time Waldenburger crews arrive we will owe North Point additional money for taking up docking berths.

Admittedly the Mako is larger than the average U boat, but, if we are to take travel time into consideration, I don’t see having to wait more than a few weeks after arriving. If we look back five Rl days in orders from Sun International there are orders on for only 107 submarines, and when we consider the volume such storefronts are offering ships at, DMG for example has sold maybe in the tens of thousands, and I would not be surprised if North point was nearing ten thousand (Seeing as someone ordered about 750 submarines not a day after mine) the facilities are large, the money is large, the volume is large. They have space to accommodate the shorter term hulls, Germany could lay down an equal amount as these two totals (200 & 107) combined at peak production, so why cannot a nation of 27 times the population do the same, one which not subject to any concrete demographics or specified industrial limitations on naval construction?

So if you see my problem, either Havenic ships took approximately the same amount of time in moving between regions and my crews will arrive shortly within the time said submarines are created, or I smell a terrible double standard on timing.

I understand the need for quick fleet movements, otherwise we would be sitting on our hands all day, waiting God awful times to see anything happen, but when we are bending the rules of time, let us do it evenly ay? If Havenic ships can move at least 60,000 Kilometers in a very short amount of RL time, extend the same courtesy to everyone please. If the submarines are called into question then that calls all timing into question and down that path madness lies.


http://www.uboat.net/boats/u4712.htm (Uboats)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=555788 Sun International
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13674703&postcount=55 Mako Class
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=555788&page=9 Waldenburger order (60 Non Nuclear submarines)
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/ETO/Ultra/SRH-009/SRH009-3.html (part 30, search for 'peak' to find peak German production numbers)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_carrier (Search 'Speed' to find general estimate of Bulk Freighter velocities)

Consider also that Colo's ships have to get to you (they probably travel the same cruise speed as everyone else's ...?) but you also have to train crew to use them and run sea trials on them, which is fairly lengthy.

No, I made arrangements for the ships to be picked up by my crews, in North point, which is so blatant in my order it is amazing (Along with their provisioning). As for training we shall have to see, as obviously we have not seen any Mako's yet, that will take time, yes, but if you consider there are no friendly ports in the area, and we have only 75 days of food at most.... training will not occupy most of their time.

Then, were I you, I would RP them as having a severely diminished combat capability. Even the most capable ship won't be worth squat if the crew hasn't familiarized itself with the ship and trained together to become a well-oiled team. Most ships go through at least six month's worth of trials and training before they're assigned to a fleet.

I'm saying that you will not have your ships constructed yet, and will likely not for six months for the SSKs at the EARLIEST.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada_class_submarine

That took 7 years to build. Granted, it was most likely paused because of Russia's lack of economy, but that ought to give you a picture. Subs are not easy to build, and you don't just crank them out. If we were to use your same logic, I could crank out transport ships with a keel to launch time of 30 days on average. (GO GO LIBERTY SHIPS!) Heck, the Robert E. Peary took about five days keel laying to launch and was crossing the Atlantic ten days after launching.

Continuing on, it would take a month for Frigates (USS John C Butler DE-339), six months for a DD (Fletcher, Sumner, et cetera), and about a year for a carrier. (Look at the Essex) Yet WW2 technology and shipbuilding techniques are not modern technology and shipbuilding techniques. An Arleigh Burke takes around a year to produce. (with more recent ones taking longer due to greater complexity) And let's not even look at the UNGODLY production cycles of carriers nowadays. A Type 23 U-boat is NOTHING compared to modern advances in submarine technology. You'd be VERY lucky to get it built in a year.


EDIT:
I don't care where your crews are to be quite honest. They can be in North Point all they want, training on North Point Courtesy Ships, should you decide to set something up like that. That's certainly not the issue, it's more of a straw man than anything. The issue is that even were they all laid down simultaneously, which considering volume might be stretching it but we'll go with it, you will not see any completed for a great deal of IC time.

Just to pointlessly interject, you forgot to mention that, while U-4712 was only three months from laying down until commissioning, she's a hopelessly tiny coastal U-boat without any of the modern electronics (she's only 250 tons displacement submerged), and that it was approximately 9 months from the ordering until her commissioning.

At Scadanavians: Fair enough, never planned much otherwise.

No Endorse: Yes you could crank out ships, (I believe the fastest Liberty ships was 3 days some hours) I wish to make it clear, that everyone can potentially, depending on how they roleplay, and their population, and their social structure easily outproduce the real world. The scope is immense, if I may use DMG again as an example, his company was worth more in it's first year than the entire world, everything, and everyone, all their man hours to their dying day, in it. So yes, if your priority is banging out ships then the capability to do so is entirely at your disposal (I believe as of 2005 the combined GDP of the world was 70 trillion USD, although I would have to check that one.) Even a quite small country could outproduce the entire maritime production of the world, many times over should it's interests lie there.

I would be very lucky to get said submarine built in one year in the real world. From the details given at Sun International it seems the only difference between a coastal U Boat (As provided) is a sonar was added, more torpedoes, and larger size, by details provided. If we are to go by the given details I can't see construction lasting very long at all. As described it is a tube of metal, I would hope this for the reasons of personal preference in technology, but I could not comment on that.

As is, six months is acceptable, (Although again I would argue that) four plus months have already passed and I believe I said I would wait, and am, and have been already doing so. But it would not be at the end of the Rp, unless we peter out, it will be relatively soon. I would say sooner but six months in game is certainly not the end of the Rp. In essence I disagree with the means but the ends are acceptable, six months is just fine for the first submarines (Although there may not be the case as I'm sure there will be some disruption)

Rosidivan: True, it was ordered earlier, but generally speaking that is irrelevant, a large amount of U-boat pens were down, and the Nazis could order all they liked, the number being built was still amazing in that general arena, but ultimately the Allies were bombing quite effectively. Hopefully bombers aren't already interdicting North Point.
http://www.uboat.net/boats/u2525.htm
Ocean going Type 21 Completed in much the same time frame of four months , and rather advanced for it's time.

Updated to respond to Aralonia's attack; forgot about that one.

As for No endorse, I'm still holding off on that one. I made it very clear that I wanted it to be a conventional conflict, and if you can't respect that, then don't RP in the thread. Surely, when I'm fighting around five to ten nations at once, there's no need for nuclear weapons in this onslaught of yours. Also, I don't quite understand your reasoning on how "tactical" nuking is any more permissible than glassing. Why bother, then, having conventional forces, if I can just nuke you out of the water whenever?

As for No endorse, I'm still holding off on that one. I made it very clear that I wanted it to be a conventional conflict, and if you can't respect that, then don't RP in the thread. Surely, when I'm fighting around five to ten nations at once, there's no need for nuclear weapons in this onslaught of yours. Also, I don't quite understand your reasoning on how "tactical" nuking is any more permissible than glassing. Why bother, then, having conventional forces, if I can just nuke you out of the water whenever?

If you choose to do so, you think I'm going to complain? Consider for a moment that I took terrible nuclear damage from Nova Britannica when he went all LOLAPOCALYPSE. Consider that I am in the process of prodding Candiro into a conflict that will end with exposing the farthest reaches of Haven to enough radiation to give them a gross of X-rays. Consider that some time ago when I did FT, an ally of mine glassed a planet to put down an insurrection I was having at my request. I've got no problems taking casualties that almost anyone else would pale at.

Now, if you're that upset about nukes, I can replace those with more and far higher performance and accurate AAMs that will end with the exact same result. The difference will be that it will be horribly out of character for my nation to use such missiles. You seem to forget that the AIM-26 has a lethal radius of merely 300 meters. Unless your fighters are flying wingtip to wingtip (AKA flying quite idiotically for fighters), each missile will take out a plane and its one or two wingmen, assuming you don't intercept it. This is versus deploying more AAMs that will still take out approximately the same number. (Well... depends. The conventional AAMs will be far more advanced and faster, so they'll be harder to intercept and there will be more. The nuke ones I've currently used are slow, old, and really only work because you don't need to be very accurate)



Oh, and yeah, about you wanting it to be a conventional conflict, I must apologize. I forgot which side it was that provoked this whole thing, I was under the mistaken impression that it was you who locked down Akimonad's cities in a blatant act of war, forcing us into taking action to defend Nukewealth's interests abroad. Oh wait................

...do you know what reading comprehension is? I didn't BDSP your ground targets. I fired a goddamn missile massacre at your fighters. Even without No Endorse's nuclear firepower, your 600 F-22s, which would have been excessively -easily- lit up by the mass of Sky Top radar units in the sky, would all -fall-, each with 8748/600 missiles flying at it, a.k.a. either 14 or 15 rockets.

Rewrite that, please.

:| err... Ara, tone that down a tiny bit, I should tone my post down too (no need to get excessive) but yeah, you've got a point.

BL, the thing is, you just went apeshit on a city with artillery. Frankly, you probably did substantial damage all around (I mean, hell, you shut down a damned airport, which considering the size of most NS airports is no mean feat.) Aki, whether you agree with it or not, decided that the consulate district was leveled in your attack. I can't imagine not having a consulate in Aki's territory, what with the fact that the Imperium has friendly relations with the NukeWealth and our shared history. So... You just attacked sovereign Imperial territory and killed everybody in it.

Obviously this presents a problem, since I can't not respond but at the same time my only assets in the region (their mere presence, by the way, is strictly secret) are armed exclusively with nuclear weapons and any conventional forces would be weeks in coming. Waiting for them is, in my estimation, not acceptable, since at that point any conceivable retaliation would be after this war is over.

Looks like I have some considering to do. You can be assured, however, that any response will not include glassing you into the local continental shelf. At least not for this. Can't promise anything if I decide the region as a whole needs to die.

...do you know what reading comprehension is? I didn't BDSP your ground targets. I fired a goddamn missile massacre at your fighters. Even without No Endorse's nuclear firepower, your 600 F-22s, which would have been excessively -easily- lit up by the mass of Sky Top radar units in the sky, would all -fall-, each with 8748/600 missiles flying at it, a.k.a. either 14 or 15 rockets.

Rewrite that, please.

Well, excuse me. No need to be an ass about it. It's fixed. Also updated to include No endorse's attack; he put it in good perspective.

Moved here:

OOC: Wow, thanks Akimonad et al, because, naturally, all of that artillery and stuff does absolutely no damage *except* in your consulates, where they suddenly become rampaging death machines; my artillery's free to kill civilians and destroy essentially unconsequential targets, but not anything else? Wow. I must have terrible artillerymen.

OOC: Calm down.

All in all, most military bases across the city were damaged in some way. The port, being fairly distant from any stop lines, was damaged only lightly.

I know it's essentially one line and horribly written but I'm willing to flesh it out more. The fact that it was written at 22:57 last night did not help it in detail.

I should have a more detailed post up by some time tomorrow.

And what's this with the nukes? Do you guys really depend that much on a nuclear crutch to RP?

The word NukeWealth is a conjuction. It contains the word "nuke" which is shorthand for "nuclear". Put it together.

Well, excuse me. No need to be an ass about it. It's fixed. Also updated to include No endorse's attack; he put it in good perspective.

He's just getting down to business.

Assuming the IC thread is open, I may be interested in offering military services...to the highest bidder, of course.

Highest bidder? Hmm, our country might take you up on that...we certainly have the funds and resources.

Pssh, we could muster up more funds on a bank holiday then you ever could. :P

Also, i have a problem with your fast transport ships. Even if your ships are moving at the incredibly fast speed [for a transport ship at least] of 25 knots [1110km/day or 46.3km/hr] you'll take nearly a month, it's about 27,000km from you to the location of BL's nation [southern center edge of the med] even taking the straightest route. That will take you nearly 24 days at 25 knots.

*jaw drops* Well, BL, I don't even need to find a pretext, you just handed to me on a silver platter. I'll honor your request, since you've just proven you have more balls than 99% of NS. Nice knowing ye.

Assuming the IC thread is open, I may be interested in offering military services...to the highest bidder, of course.

Consider yourself bought then :)

There can be no higher bidder than the Empire.

If you're going to nuke The Silver Sky, someone who I have an odd blood debt to, I'm going to have to try to intercept some of those missiles.

Or is this functionally closed?

BL, you apparently have no issue with this, but this is really getting to be a bit of a dogpile. There are too many people for the casual reader, or one with slight interest, to follow. You and Aki might want to make some sort of way of limiting the people, cutting back a bit. Personally, I can't truly follow this; as such, I'm handing over RP'ing rights of the ten thousand Imperial Elite and General Arthure McDouglas to you. He'll be arriving in Vetalia around now, with ten thousand troops, a hundred ships, aircraft, etc. All of it's in my last IC post. If troop levels get low, send me a TG and I'll have McDouglas make an appeal for more troops, which may or may not be successful. Good luck, BL.

BL, you apparently have no issue with this, but this is really getting to be a bit of a dogpile. There are too many people for the casual reader, or one with slight interest, to follow. You and Aki might want to make some sort of way of limiting the people, cutting back a bit. Personally, I can't truly follow this; as such, I'm handing over RP'ing rights of the ten thousand Imperial Elite and General Arthure McDouglas to you. He'll be arriving in Vetalia around now, with ten thousand troops, a hundred ships, aircraft, etc. All of it's in my last IC post. If troop levels get low, send me a TG and I'll have McDouglas make an appeal for more troops, which may or may not be successful. Good luck, BL.
Not that it matters, BL is about to surpass your old nation as the world's largest exporter of plate glass

Since this just turned into a nukefest, I guess there's no point in offering military services. Even by the time my fastest first response units arrive, the fallout will already be settling. Oh well.

BL, you apparently have no issue with this, but this is really getting to be a bit of a dogpile. There are too many people for the casual reader, or one with slight interest, to follow. You and Aki might want to make some sort of way of limiting the people, cutting back a bit. Personally, I can't truly follow this; as such, I'm handing over RP'ing rights of the ten thousand Imperial Elite and General Arthure McDouglas to you. He'll be arriving in Vetalia around now, with ten thousand troops, a hundred ships, aircraft, etc. All of it's in my last IC post. If troop levels get low, send me a TG and I'll have McDouglas make an appeal for more troops, which may or may not be successful. Good luck, BL.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that's a dogpile - a giant, techwanking dogpile at that. It reminded me that way too many people treat RP as a task, a chore, an exercise for their egos, rather than a game. It reminded me that I shouldn't have to be an expert in military technology to RP a war and be successful. I chose to nuke select members of the enemy coalition because I want to be glassed and go out in gargantuan, nuclear-fireball-consumed glory.

BL, you apparently have no issue with this, but this is really getting to be a bit of a dogpile. There are too many people for the casual reader, or one with slight interest, to follow. You and Aki might want to make some sort of way of limiting the people, cutting back a bit. Personally, I can't truly follow this; as such, I'm handing over RP'ing rights of the ten thousand Imperial Elite and General Arthure McDouglas to you. He'll be arriving in Vetalia around now, with ten thousand troops, a hundred ships, aircraft, etc. All of it's in my last IC post. If troop levels get low, send me a TG and I'll have McDouglas make an appeal for more troops, which may or may not be successful. Good luck, BL.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that's a dogpile - a giant, techwanking dogpile at that. It reminded me that way too many people treat RP as a task, a chore, an exercise for their egos, rather than a game. It reminded me that I shouldn't have to be an expert in military technology to RP a war and be successful. I chose to nuke select members of the enemy coalition because I want to be glassed and go out in gargantuan, nuclear-fireball-consumed glory.

:D Yay, I can come out to play.

One does not simply walk into Mordor D:<

One does not simply nuke into Haven D:<

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that's a dogpile - a giant, techwanking dogpile at that. It reminded me that way too many people treat RP as a task, a chore, an exercise for their egos, rather than a game. It reminded me that I shouldn't have to be an expert in military technology to RP a war and be successful. I chose to nuke select members of the enemy coalition because I want to be glassed and go out in gargantuan, nuclear-fireball-consumed glory.

It is a game. I like to have fun. I think that designing missiles and learning how they work is fun. If you don't that isn't my problem. Your position is like wanting to play Monopoly and not knowing what houses and hotels are. Sure, you can still play. But your ass is open to get kicked by those who know what they are doing.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that's a dogpile - a giant, techwanking dogpile at that. It reminded me that way too many people treat RP as a task, a chore, an exercise for their egos, rather than a game. It reminded me that I shouldn't have to be an expert in military technology to RP a war and be successful. I chose to nuke select members of the enemy coalition because I want to be glassed and go out in gargantuan, nuclear-fireball-consumed glory.

Yes! Why should it matter what type of missile your sending? Shouldn't "ultramodern" or "dated" or "standard" automatic rifle be enough? And no offense, but going through the lengthy posts in the thread, which are, frankly, boring, is nothing but a chore; indeed, it is part of the reason why I turned control of my guys to you. They'll be not moving at the moment, probably heading back soon.

Of course, I posted the OOC thing before reading your last post. I'm getting strong dejavu feelings, especially when you describe the feelings. Same people and everything.

When the retaliation comes, I'll do my best to stop you from getting glassed. Won't stop anything really, considering the size of my missile defense system at the time. If you restart, or make a new nation, I will help you. Investments, protectorate, and what-not. Good luck, now more than ever.

The Silver Sky, I'm sorry but missile interception relies on good angles and from what I can tell we're too far away to reasonably expect my air defense system to cover you.

But whatever is reasonable for me to send will be sent.

Yes! Why should it matter what type of missile your sending? Shouldn't "ultramodern" or "dated" or "standard" automatic rifle be enough? And no offense, but going through the lengthy posts in the thread, which are, frankly, boring, is nothing but a chore; indeed, it is part of the reason why I turned control of my guys to you. They'll be not moving at the moment, probably heading back soon.

Of course, I posted the OOC thing before reading your last post. I'm getting strong dejavu feelings, especially when you describe the feelings. Same people and everything.

When the retaliation comes, I'll do my best to stop you from getting glassed. Won't stop anything really, considering the size of my missile defense system at the time. If you restart, or make a new nation, I will help you. Investments, protectorate, and what-not. Good luck, now more than ever.

Nah, that's nice of you, but let me be glassed. It'd be...fun.

Nah, that's nice of you, but let me be glassed. It'd be...fun.

Time for everybody to pop their iodine pills.

Nah, that's nice of you, but let me be glassed. It'd be...fun.

What, defending you? It'd be meager, and would stop... probably single digits in missiles. Vanteland is tiny, it gets a proportionate amount of protection.

Now then... you are going to restart. Right?

Bare bones info: 36 subs, 24 missiles on each, 26 warheads per missile. So... 22,464 targets hit, if all the warheads make it to their targets (not that I would particularly care if you decided to shoot some down.) Btw, I don't know if you care, but all that adds up to 10,108.8 megatons equivalent.

Anybody going to start a count?

I've sent 10,000 missiles with 16 500kT MaIRVs for a total of 80,000 megatons.

Why have a handful of folk posted in the new thread? Did they just post without reading the first couple of lines of the OP?
Fix plz.

Posted this a couple of days ago, still no reply. Probably got buried by god knows what, I don't have the patience to catch-up on all the OOC.

Greston?

Your position is like wanting to play Monopoly and not knowing what houses and hotels are. Sure, you can still play. But your ass is open to get kicked by those who know what they are doing.

Best quote EVER

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that's a dogpile - a giant, techwanking dogpile at that.

What techwanking? Where? Show me.

It reminded me that way too many people treat RP as a task, a chore, an exercise for their egos, rather than a game.

Yourself included.

It reminded me that I shouldn't have to be an expert in military technology to RP a war and be successful.

No, but better knowledge means better tactics.

I chose to nuke select members of the enemy coalition because I want to be glassed and go out in gargantuan, nuclear-fireball-consumed glory.

If I so choose to nuke you back (which I probably won't because I'd rather invade) then I don't want to see British Londinium popping up again. With another nation, maybe.

But from what I can see you can see that you're not in an advantaged position. In response you accuse us of techwanking and then choose to nuke us so that you commit suicide and basically escape our wrath and occupation.

I'm not biting.

::sighs::

Having just started a new job that entails me getting up at 05:00 to be at work at 06:30 and thus being completely and utterly exhausted when I get home at 16:00, I won't be able to follow this RP anymore. Not that it seems to matter though, as everything seems to have gone glowing-in-the-dark...

But from what I can see you can see that you're not in an advantaged position. In response you accuse us of techwanking and then choose to nuke us so that you commit suicide and basically escape our wrath and occupation.

I'm not biting.

Doesn't matter whether you don't.... your nuke-happy friends have already fired off enough missiles to obliterate the northern hemisphere. I highly recommend that you occupy BL quickly now though :)

Doesn't matter whether you don't.... your nuke-happy friends have already fired off enough missiles to obliterate the northern hemisphere. I highly recommend that you occupy BL quickly now though :)

I have other plans. And they're largely OOC.

BL, if you're reading this, hit me up on AIM or TG. I have... alternatives in mind.

Kampfers, could you post a ORBAT? I'll post mine after yours is posted, but its my whole military.

consider this my IC post:

SDI that rapes a large number of your haven-bound missiles: http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/No_Endorse#ALDA:_ABM_the_No_Endorse_Way
TV appearance of my leader denouncing attack
large scale nuclear retribution against anything that might be remotely related to BL
threatening statement to the rest of the MU
death of my guys in Fitzrovia because they get incinerated
Kara and Atal making out in a corner of the NE presidential palace
intern who walks in on them executed
fin


I honestly don't feel like RPing it out. It's a quite foregone conclusion. We're done here. :|

Nah, that's nice of you, but let me be glassed. It'd be...fun.

Time for everybody to pop their iodine pills.

So, out of curiosity, who would I expect to meet if I were to start a ground-campaign immediately after the nukes detonated?

IOW: Who is actually interested in gaining/holding ground in BL, and who's just lobbing missiles?

Hm, I imagine you'd see little to no resistance from Londinian ground forces, who would either be dead, cowering in the Rorarians, or sewing up some white flags. Though Akimonad has expressed interest in seizing Deva Victrix.

Oh, and for my (BL) IC post, consider it to be the following:

Nukes - killed lots of people
Survivors - apathetic, don't really care
Remaining military - lulzing it up with lots of drugs and/or bullets to the face
Government - throughly pwned and effectively dissolved

Hm, I imagine you'd see little to no resistance from Londinian ground forces, who would either be dead, cowering in the Rorarians, or sewing up some white flags. Though Akimonad has expressed interest in seizing Deva Victrix.

Oh, and for my (BL) IC post, consider it to be the following:

Nukes - killed lots of people
Survivors - apathetic, don't really care
Remaining military - lulzing it up with lots of drugs and/or bullets to the face
Government - throughly pwned and effectively dissolved


I SEE PUPPETS, PORT BOW!

I SEE PUPPETS, PORT BOW!

Yeah, that's the point. We're destroying his main nation.

::sighs::

Having just started a new job that entails me getting up at 05:00 to be at work at 06:30 and thus being completely and utterly exhausted when I get home at 16:00, I won't be able to follow this RP anymore. Not that it seems to matter though, as everything seems to have gone glowing-in-the-dark...

I understand completely. I was looking forward to all of this and my workload kicked into overdrive. I just can`t keep up with this working all hours of the night (and day) and trying to get sufficient rest in between shifts (along with my other duties), therefore my rather abrupt dropping off the radar. If things slow down some I intend on participating, but until that time........I`m out.