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To those of you who don't know what this is, it is the OOC thread to discuss the rougher points of the current Mediterranican/Coalition situation following Greston's refusal to surrender.

IC thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=556425)

The treaty has no legitimacy unless it is ratified, obviously, which it hasn't been, as I've said before (It is me pushing for him not to ratify, if that makes it easier.) All TG's are OOC or at least informal IC, if that makes any sense, and there is no other way (Although I don't recall him telling me he accepted the treaty as legitimate, unless it is entirely recent.) Before Anagonia made his declaration he had offered to make an IC declaration refuting the treaty, and by a strange means leading to a whole smattering of things happening.

As for IC action Waldenburg issued the Aeternus Congredior, war of words which is essentially holy war, numbed down a bit. Not a declaration of war from the Empire but from within the Church. I would add more but must run now, thank you for putting up an OOC anyway. This will probably be edited to get the full stance in once I get back.

I wanna help pict/aki. Just for the chance to blow up some MU nation's militaries. :D

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Before we really go any further, Greston's got to make some sort of post either rejecting or accepting the treaty. I don't care which, but I'm getting told to get Greston to post it by the MU, while you guys are telling him not to post it. You may see the problem here.

Let me say this much: I am going fucking nuts. I have enough shit in RL then I come on here and there is 15 new TGs in my inbox (exageration) all of which threatening me, telling me not to ratify, and to ratify. Now I have no idea what is happening everywhere so I am quite confused can some one please clarify what the fuck is happening with this? Who is doing what, where, how and why? And here not in TG.

Before we really go any further, Greston's got to make some sort of post either rejecting or accepting the treaty. I don't care which, but I'm getting told to get Greston to post it by the MU, while you guys are telling him not to post it. You may see the problem here.

I very much agree, although i said give you a bit of fire and brimstone, but indeed this must be done.

For Greston (Feel free to clarify and correct on any points NP, but the situation as I understand it from a slightly biased point of view):

You have agreed via TG to NP treaty, which included the resignation of Batther, the reparations, your disarmament, and the handing over of a base to NP. While NP posted that the treaty was signed, and accepted, you have not confirmed the treaty on II, thereby making NP's occupation of the base an act of war as he is jumping the gun and going before the treaty is signed.

Now if, at this point, if you do not ratify, if you complain that their occupation is wrong and unwarranted then that makes it, as it is at the moment with your silence an invasion, which allows the MU a very good reason for war along with that would kick in several mutual protection pacts (I believe I sent you one NP before your region dissolved, some of them worked! So I pretty sure you get the scope of the pacts.) and provided nothing serious happened would maintain your autonomy in the matters of your military.

The base, in the context of the treaty is petty fluff, but to the MU it represents a foreign Power (with a capital P) which could be the Silver Imperium, Haven in general or who ever takes it off NP in the future. While a few square kilometers is laughable in conventional terms, in terms of WMD's either by NP or in the future, or as a resupply point for enemy forces it could pose a serious problem. That's why the MU wishes to get rid of it now and exponentially slash the risk, and will fight for it not to be built. If you do not ratify the MU, (Providing some sort of diplomatic coup) will attack the Pictish base (if it is maintained) and will probably start a war.

Now if you do ratify, the MU will be slightly more vexed as you have denied us a valuable set of allies, amongst a proper reason for war. We can probably slide by on violating territory, threats, and MU wishes as a cause for war, but we would prefer something concrete and logical.

By that Pictavia is legally entrenched in your land, which still angers the MU because of aforementioned risk, and we will probably attack. Bottom line from us is we will not allow a foreign force inside, and will fight it with anything at our disposal. That aside, the ramifications of the treaty will be the only thing that binds you, and those are NP's terms, whatever it is or is modified to be.

(The more biased part)
The MU will not attack you, but we won't be protecting you either if you ratify, Waldenburg will rip up our treaties, and generally give you the cold shoulder at dinner parties. And the only difference between the MU's suggestions and those of the NP's coalition, is that you will only have a fraction of your army, and there will be a war practically inside of you.

So take this all as you will, NP is right, just say anything, whichever way you choose.

SS I've got a gun smiley with your name on it, and it's not the nice the one. Although you would really even up the sides, whichever outcome we get.

Can I get the Church into this?

So if there was to be war it would not be on me is what you are saying? From what I have guessed if I don't ratify you will attack the base, we will become stronger allies, there will be a war, and Greston won't have anything to do with it except for the fact that it is on my land. I would'nt give a shit if you guys killed eachother in your homelands (even near that base) as long as it doesn't involve attacking me or my forces. If this is the case I won't ratify and I will lay back and watch a awesome war unvelope on my land.

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NP may still declare war on you, I believe the original ultimatum threatened that if you did not accept it. But Waldenburg would certainly not demand troops from you for the front. Whatever you do make an IC post clarifying the decision.

Right, as much as we'd all like to fire on with IC RP-ing, it does seem somewhat impractical given that I have a suspicion that I'm not the only one who knows what is going on here.

Firstly, I'd like to ask what exactly is going on and who is taking what actions et cetera. Secondly, Greston has informed me that the MU (perhaps just one member, I'm not entirely sure) has told him OOCly not to post that he accepted the treaty (even although he has agreed that it is 100% legitimate, and has apparently told said player via TG), so [Aschenhyrst] I'm afraid I cannot prevent it going round in circles. Overall, I would consider this bad form and an extremely poor way to establish pretty vital OOC communications if an RP continues.

And incidentally, would the Faurean (sp?) situation not realistically take priority over this?

Well, someone can expand on this if they feel it is necessary but basically the MU doesn't want any outside nations or alliances to get bases (of any description) in the region. You being the first to try must be met with whatever words, tactics or force is required to keep you out and/or set an example to others (this is how Yallak sees this affair anyway).

I believe the Faurean situation is in peace talks now so no. Even if it wasn't Faurea is not in the MU or as yet tied to it, so Gresten would still take preference.

On another note, I see we've now got a few people randomly jumping in, without an IC reasons. Perhaps we can close this (at least for now) to only the MU and Coalition so as to keep an already confusing situation as confusingless (yes, its a word as of now) as possible?

I just thought I would enlighten everyone on our current situation. As of now, the Aria island chains which seperated from us is now back in the Republic and we will be moving forward with more negotiations. However, the other island chains, Darshi, walked out of the talks and we have yet to decide a way to get the islands back into the Republic. There are many theories going around, such as war and possible occupation of Darshi. Anyway, just thought I should let you all know. You know, just to clarify.

Can I get the Church into this?

No.

Well, someone can expand on this if they feel it is necessary but basically the MU doesn't want any outside nations or alliances to get bases (of any description) in the region. You being the first to try must be met with whatever words, tactics or force is required to keep you out and/or set an example to others (this is how Yallak sees this affair anyway).

I believe the Faurean situation is in peace talks now so no. Even if it wasn't Faurea is not in the MU or as yet tied to it, so Gresten would still take preference.

On another note, I see we've now got a few people randomly jumping in, without an IC reasons. Perhaps we can close this (at least for now) to only the MU and Coalition so as to keep an already confusing situation as confusingless (yes, its a word as of now) as possible?

I must admit, we are also guilty of agreements done entirely by tg or off-site forum. It was decided some time back (late last summer, if I recall properly) by the members of the MU and Mediterranica as a whole that is was time for a housecleaning. Inactive nations and colonies were tg`ed about their status and after a reasonable amount of time, removed from the map. Availible lands were re-distributed among remaining nations and those that were unclaimed were 'issued' to newcomer nations. Admission to the region required a sponsor and a vote by the residents at large, we did this to eliminate past problems we have had with nations wanting in and then becoming dormant. This policy, one that was developed in private but accepted by all regional members, is how we`ve conducted our affairs. It is the accepted 'Law of the Land' for Mediterranica. So when Greston claimed "All lands are MU lands", he really meant that Mediterranican residents have assumed control over the governance and land distribution within their region.

That being said, his ceeding lands to you is a violation of our regional policy (like your tg`ed agreement, not known to everyone). Several of us have taken issue with these actions that NP and Gres may have (or may not have, as this seems to be being debated) agreed to. Our displeasure in the events that transpired between you two (or may not have) has carried on not only in the other thread, our private off-site forum and in a series of not so pleasant tg`s to Gres. Our personal ooc issues with Greston`s decission are being resolved privately amongst ourselves, I won`t air our dirty laundry here. However, this decission is still a violation of our region policy. One that hopefully can be resolved through diplomacy (either IC or OOC) but in all likelyhood, due to war-mongering and posturing by both sides, will end up in a full-blown IC bloodbath. That bloodbath will not be beneficial to either side involved. Nova Pictavia, I implore you to enter negociations either in II or via tg with West Ponente and Waldenburg2, the freely elected represenatives of the region, to find some solution to this entire affair that we can all live with. Refusal to do so will lead to consequinces that none of us on either side truly want. At this time any IC actions my nation is carrying out are what one could consider normal to an unknown foreign presence in it`s sphere of influence, a show of force and a policy of containment while attempting a diplomatic solution. This subject is a powder keg, someone has the match but someone else could put it out.

Hey guys, just to say that the old "Ultimatum" thread is now over/closed, and everything should be directed to Waldeburg's/Greston's new thread. Also I'll look over everything tomorrow evening, unfortunately that's the earliest I can do so due to work etc.

Cheers,
~Picts

As a close ally of Picts, may I have clearance to participate in this thread?

The United Republic of Anagonia, my nation, will therefore stand by to produce decimation upon anyone and everyone who sets a military doctrine against Nova Pictavia. Therefore, as a Sovereign Protectorate of Nova Pictiavia, Anagonia is obliged to begin wartime operations, and therefore said operations will be posted ICly.

We will not begin any official operations until war has officially been declared. As of right now, the only suspect is that Anagonia has decreed that any and all attempts against Nova Pictavia will be met by any measure of retaliation.

Where are we at we Nuclear weapons on this? I'm all good for chemical weapons nut I particularly hate nukes in RP's.

Okay, explaining my entry into this mess. I am No Endorse, as I hope is readily apparent from the box to the left. Anywho, as you can see in my sig below, I'm the head honcho in a group known as "Nukewealth," which consists of Akimonad, Aralonia, Kargucagstan, Mondoth, No Endorse, The World Soviet Party, TheSilverSky, and Tyrandis.

Aki is understandably concerned about Pictavia's situation in all this, so I'm concerned with all this.

As for Yallak, look at the alliance name :p I think that states our opinion on the matter.

Ah my internet seems to have resolved itself, which really is the best way. Anyway a few explanations of things to come:

My military personally will seem nearly endless, the Church fuels it from across the world ect. In exchange our ideas are very backwards and we will charge modern situations with 19th century ideals. Works out nicely really. Some branches are better than others

As for the entry of Nukewealth...Well the name... As long as Anagonia puts it "start lobbing missiles" I think we can agree, (although again if we really dig through it is Pictavia attacking us, and though i don't know what type of alliance Nukewealth is I would assume Mutual protection, which in this context makes less sense, in regards to your actions. This is not an attempt to get rid of you, but simply me keeping notes. And Picts I think we may want this thread, why clutter with another OOC thread, which we will probably need.

NukeWealth = Arms Cartel

Quoting Tyrandis:
we fight to support demand for arms manufacturing D:<

TSS pretty much has it. Personally speaking I'm at odds with them over the whole nuclear proliferation thing, but if any nukes are lobbed into Haven for any reason then I (and most Haven nations, I think) am perfectly willing to respond in any fashion I deem appropriate. For starters that means I will help shoot down any ballistic threats and should any nuclear threat succeed in reaching its target I will strongly consider making Mediterranica a wasteland.

Basically what I'm saying is that if you want to keep Haven out of it, don't be invading or lobbing nukes at Haven nations.

SS I've got a gun smiley with your name on it, and it's not the nice the one. Although you would really even up the sides, whichever outcome we get.

I hope you weren't talking to me. You don't want to threaten me, you really don't.

I hope you weren't talking to me. You don't want to threaten me, you really don't.

Then don't get involved with stuff that doesn't concern you, we're not the ones threating other peoples regions with n00kz

Then don't get involved with stuff that doesn't concern you, we're not the ones threating other peoples regions with n00kz

Funny, that's not the way I hear it. There's a post in Haven's regional boards about involved parties asking for SDI assistance because they're afraid Mediterranica is going to be trigger happy in this war. Obviously anything concerning Haven concerns me, since I was rather heavily involved in the founding of the region. I won't see the region nuked because nations in some self-important upstart region don't seem to understand the shitstorm they'd start off by lobbing nukes.

Your region has been duly warned that nuking a Haven nation means a nuclear war with all of Haven. Take the warning at face value or don't, but understand that if your region doesn't that there will be very dire consequences.

Trigger happy? please...the only people in the region who could possibly fit under that tag would maybe be BL, who's government was responsible for that has been removed and Greston who's also changed his government. Otherwise we keep to ourselves mostly.

Who started all this? NP, sure Greston might have been a little out of line, and NP isn't? He joins Haven and thinkin he's going to throw his weight around a little and when he gets into trouble he backs his pompous ass behind the rest of the region and threatens nukes...take nuclear threats to someone who cares

NP didn't make the post, others did.

Funny, that's not the way I hear it. There's a post in Haven's regional boards about involved parties asking for SDI assistance because they're afraid Mediterranica is going to be trigger happy in this war. Obviously anything concerning Haven concerns me, since I was rather heavily involved in the founding of the region. I won't see the region nuked because nations in some self-important upstart region don't seem to understand the shitstorm they'd start off by lobbing nukes.

Your region has been duly warned that nuking a Haven nation means a nuclear war with all of Haven. Take the warning at face value or don't, but understand that if your region doesn't that there will be very dire consequences.

NP didn't make the post, others did.

Dear god. You do know that I don't have a nuclear arsenal what so ever? I may have a some thing or two here or there but I don't have one for the most part. You are afraid a Havenic nation might get nuked when we have NP, Akimonad, Anagonia, and others threatening to nuke us into oblivion! So get your facts straight please for their is no chance of a nuke coming from us going to Haven.

Trigger happy? please...the only people in the region who could possibly fit under that tag would maybe be BL, who's government was responsible for that has been removed and Greston who's also changed his government. Otherwise we keep to ourselves mostly.

Who started all this? NP, sure Greston might have been a little out of line, and NP isn't? He joins Haven and thinkin he's going to throw his weight around a little and when he gets into trouble he backs his pompous ass behind the rest of the region and threatens nukes...take nuclear threats to someone who cares

Picts isn't pompous at all, unless it's for humorous effect.

I'm pompous, but only ICly.

And Picts has yet to threaten nukes, or, indeed, post.

You are afraid a Havenic nation might get nuked when we have NP, Akimonad, Anagonia, and others threatening to nuke us into oblivion!

Oh, for...

Picts never threatened nukes. Only me and Anagonia have. Please read the posts before you comment on them.

although again if we really dig through it is Pictavia attacking us

Do you really feel the need to bring this in to OOC? Really? While ICly you may have some criticisms in terms of recognition, you know Greston allowed me to create the base and handed it over to Pictish rule. Now you are attacking it, demanding 'reparations' of such an unpractical degree so that war is unavoidable.

Trigger happy? please...the only people in the region who could possibly fit under that tag would maybe be BL, who's government was responsible for that has been removed and Greston who's also changed his government.

Governments changed, players don't. You harbour these regimes. Nevertheless I didn't have any quarrel with anyone else until I was threatened.

Who started all this? NP, sure Greston might have been a little out of line, and NP isn't?

His actions created my reactions. If my reaction was equal I expect Greston would have been immediately invaded instead of my demands, ergo, I've been lenient, haven't I?

He joins Haven and thinkin he's going to throw his weight around a little

I've always thrown my weight around a little, which by the way, isn't much. And continuing to bitch about Haven isn't going to make it go away.

and when he gets into trouble he backs his pompous ass behind the rest of the region

If this is your idea of maintaining OOC relations for an RP, perhaps you should look elsewhere. I don't RP with flame/flamebaiters. In regards to Haven, they are just saying that if you nuke their region, they'll nuke you right back. It seems fair enough to me, and it's not as if they're going "OMGZ WE MUST HALP PICTS RULE THE WURLD!!1!"

and threatens nukes...take nuclear threats to someone who cares

Well done, you're wrong again. I've actually informed the two major players I'm facing that I would refrain from using nuclear weaponry, and that I've been advising my allies to do the same, thus saving Mediterranica from becoming a nuclear wasteland so far.

But if this is how you want to play it, you can consider my decision reversed. If you want to turn this into some sort of OOC personal dispute, I would far prefer this incident to be resolved swiftly by any means than have to endure this.

Civility everyone... WP, unnecessary as a whole.

At NP: I was unaware if they were in fully aware of all the facts, and yes facts. I apologize if it seems broaching, but it bears just as much repeating as need be, If a new player was entering would we not bring everyone up on the movement of troops? Of course we would. I perhaps underestimate the prowess of people looking over half a dozen pages, but what bears repeating and all. It's repetative I know, I apologize, but ultimately important.

At Scandavian States: Rather prophetic of me to be threatening you nearly a month before you joined the situation or that I knew of your political affiliations isn't it? And with gun smilies... I just pray you weren't being serious.

(As per trigger happy it should be recalled who was making threats, I myself do not Rp with Strat. Nukes. Greston says he has none\few and I know Theorosia has no more than 1,000, though this is not a necessary point, just please stop bickering, we will be as trigger happy as the next man, or not. We cannot truly afford a trigger to be happy with.)

And at Questers: (who seems to have posted in Gres' news thread), I really did expect more of you.

Now to actual IC (Clarification): No one is at war with Pictaivia yet, we have massed troops and levied fines, the first attack will take place as soon as NP allows it to happen. Praetonia's post is jumping the gun perhaps only in posting order. So if everyone would allow NP to catch up it would make things a little easier at this end yes?

I've posted acknowledging the threats/troop movements, then the NukeWealth will post. After this I will RP fleet movement and post an OrBat (of which I encourage others to do the same) where upon Greston can do as he pleases.

Unfortunately Jolt is insisting on being completely unworkable tonight, so more detail from me tomorrow.

Do you really feel the need to bring this in to OOC? Really? While ICly you may have some criticisms in terms of recognition, you know Greston allowed me to create the base and handed it over to Pictish rule. Now you are attacking it, demanding 'reparations' of such an unpractical degree so that war is unavoidable.

Actually, Greston is attacking it after having declare it illegal. It is his nation he can declare anything he wants illegal. Funny actually this is actually the exact same way the Kraven wars started. Xirnium gave Kraven a base to spare his nation and then once he had my suppport declared it illegal and destroyed it. Who says history doesn't repeat.

Anyway, we are supporting Greston not attacking you.

If this is your idea of maintaining OOC relations for an RP, perhaps you should look elsewhere. I don't RP with flame/flamebaiters. In regards to Haven, they are blah blah blah snip.

Personally I think this OOC stuff needs to stop now. Haven members have sprung up and flamed us - it doesn't involve half of you so simply put please bugger off. Some of us have flamed back, again unneccessary don't do it anymore. OOC should be kept simply for maintaining a good RP. You want to do other crap then send a TG.

Okay, here's the catch. Pictavia is in Haven. Haven is Haven, you guys are mostly too young to remember the Haven Defense Initiative or its precursors. (I think it dropped on Clandonia a few times) Haven Uber Alles, that's pretty much what's going on. Haven nations almost NEVER agree, in fact, I think we agree on 3 things:

1: Haven Uber Alles, nuke/screw with/etc Haven, and we open up
2: Communism boo, capitalism yaay. Except communism that's really just brutal dictatorship, that's fun. Cuz Krob is :3
3: Kahanistan is not very good at winning wars, but is one HELL of an RPer, and excellent at RPing stuff out.

Anyways, nuking Haven is bad. It makes us cry emo tears of OH GOD THE SDI WHERE DID THE WALL OF NUCLEAR TIPPED ABMS COME FROM IT'S A WALL OF NUCLEAR INCINERATION WHERE ARE MY MISSILES





Anyways, as for out involvement, Akimonad is closely related to Pictavia. Akimonad is a member of Nukewealth. All of the aforementioned reside in Haven. While Pictavia has been admitted into Nukewealth, it would be bad form for him to be a member during this thread without there being some meetings RPed and such. He'll just be a close ally of a Nukewealth nation for the duration of this.

Picts is still a Haven nation and an ally of a Nukewealth nation. If you'd like, we can hold off making any moves until you guys make one, which would be slightly more IC most likely. (We'd eye the situation, not send massive fleets till we had to)

Picts is still a Haven nation and an ally of a Nukewealth nation. If you'd like, we can hold off making any moves until you guys make one, which would be slightly more IC most likely. (We'd eye the situation, not send massive fleets till we had to)


I'd expect as much. It would be a bit stupid if you guys sent fleets before we'd mobilised or attacked. At the moment the only thing that has happened is Greston declared the base illegal and has sent a division or something to build a base near NP's base. (at least thats where it was when i checked yesterday)

To emphasize what Munchy said, you guys should brush up on your NS history a bit by reading up on The Battle of the Aralonian Straits (nswiki article) and also on Nova Brittanica. In the case of the latter, I can't remember the precise amount of tonnage haven dropped on him, but I do remember that he receded into the continental shelf.

Anyways, I'm allied to Aki and I have a passion for tactical nukes :3

Esp. My 200kt nuke warhead packing Ra-32 of DOOM xd

I'll likely follow Munchy's lead on this thing.

TSS pretty much has it. Personally speaking I'm at odds with them over the whole nuclear proliferation thing, but if any nukes are lobbed into Haven for any reason then I (and most Haven nations, I think) am perfectly willing to respond in any fashion I deem appropriate. For starters that means I will help shoot down any ballistic threats and should any nuclear threat succeed in reaching its target I will strongly consider making Mediterranica a wasteland.

Basically what I'm saying is that if you want to keep Haven out of it, don't be invading or lobbing nukes at Haven nations.

Lobbing Nukes into Haven is a retaliatory action that I would happen to use if Haven-allies want to lob nukes in Mediterranica. Quite frankly, we all know this will become one gigantic Dick-waving contest if someone pushes the red button. SO to prevent that from happening we all need to back of the "nuke`em" tough-talk. There are plenty of other ways we can bloody each others noses conventionally, unless someone doesn`t have the stomach for a little bloodletting.

And apologies for getting into this pissing match late and mixing post quotes as I am on short time today, My work loads been on overload for a few days but I`m still up for a good sloberknocker.

Upstart region? We may not have been around quite as long as you but by no means are we brand-spanking new. Your arrogance will be your undoing.

Quite frankly, we all know this will become one gigantic Dick-waving contest if someone pushes the red button.

The dick-waving would likely be before someone pushes the big red button.

Your arrogance will be your undoing.

Dick-waving! Now you've got it!

I noticed that Prae has been informed he has 'illegally' entered Mediterranican waters. I've explained this before, but the extreme of maritime boundaries in RL extends to two-hundred nautical miles, and is usually under ten, so it would be a bit funny if yours extended to claim tens of thousands of square kilometres of ocean.

...It would be a bit funny if yours extended to claim tens of thousands of square kilometres of ocean.

Not to mention impossible to patrol.

You guys are not assisting anyone. The RP between some Mediterranica members and NP and his nuke crew is CLOSED.

There's an OOC thread for that kind of stuff, although I do not recall agreeing to a closed RP with the Med at all. In fact since Greston has voided the peace treaty and is preparing to attack, I believe it would be my right to decide who may aid us, not to mention the fact that almost the entirety of your region just jumped in.

There's an OOC thread for that kind of stuff, although I do not recall agreeing to a closed RP with the Med at all. In fact since Greston has voided the peace treaty and is preparing to attack, I believe it would be my right to decide who may aid us, not to mention the fact that almost the entirety of your region just jumped in.

If you didn't notice it is about five out of twenty. Don't play that card. The thread was closed if you noticed but we are allowing Kirav, the other guy, Akimonad, Praetonia, Anagonia, and the NukeWealth in so I wouldn't be whining on how you have no one on your side. Also if you haven't noticed WE AREN'T ATTACKING! Sure we have a base up and men going through port but that is routine almost but your going crazy. So please, be quiet.

You're right, you've 'vetoed' our peace-treaty, demanded trillions and placed an invasion force on my borders. I don't think you're going to attack at all...
The thread was closed to my allies, and Haven and I are quite close. You've accused me of hiding behind Haven, well you're hiding behind the Med. Now we're even.

If you don't like the odds, perhaps you shouldn't be "not attacking" me.

Your arrogance will be your undoing.

I might be arrogant, but I come by it honestly and it doesn't mean I don't think. If you want references, ask Questers and Doomingsland (I'm sure you've heard of them.)

**groggily** Huh? What's going on?

We need to move forward ICly, y'all, I really can't tell what the issue is here.

You're right, you've 'vetoed' our peace-treaty, demanded trillions and placed an invasion force on my borders. I don't think you're going to attack at all...
The thread was closed to my allies, and Haven and I are quite close. You've accused me of hiding behind Haven, well you're hiding behind the Med. Now we're even.

If you don't like the odds, perhaps you shouldn't be "not attacking" me.

Now you see look at who posted that damned letter. Hmmm, was it Greston? NO! Who said it is an invasion force? You put a giant base, bigger than agreed upon, on my land filled with aircrafts, soldiers, and vehichles as well as Akimonadi soldiers and stuff. Do you think I thought you weren't going to invade? Now you didn't, yet for that matter, so who says that isn't going to happen here. Are you me? Are you Waldo, Ansch, Yallak, Theo, or other Med members? I don't think so.

If you didn't know it is also closed to all of my allies when I have very many more than the ones you see here. We aren't even letting the rest of the Med in when half of the others are protectorates of mine and good RL friends of mine.

And I'm hiding behind the Med. That statement really makes me laugh. How am I hiding behind the Med per say when I am the one who decided to start this?

Oh and even more importantly how am I putting an "invasion force" next to your boarders when your on my land with my laws from my nation and my region. You have something rightfully mine and I am allowed to do what I want with my own land.

Why don't we post in the IC thread rather than bickering...

Now you see look at who posted that damned letter. Hmmm, was it Greston? NO! Who said it is an invasion force? You put a giant base, bigger than agreed upon, on my land filled with aircrafts, soldiers, and vehichles as well as Akimonadi soldiers and stuff. Do you think I thought you weren't going to invade? Now you didn't, yet for that matter, so who says that isn't going to happen here. Are you me? Are you Waldo, Ansch, Yallak, Theo, or other Med members? I don't think so.

ROFL, so you're saying one and a bit brigades (that's 5000-10000 troops, which is what I initially said it would be) are going to ransack Greston? And it is sovereign, meaning it is no-longer Grestonian territory.

If you didn't know it is also closed to all of my allies when I have very many more than the ones you see here. We aren't even letting the rest of the Med in when half of the others are protectorates of mine and good RL friends of mine.

OH NOES.

And I'm hiding behind the Med. That statement really makes me laugh. How am I hiding behind the Med per say when I am the one who decided to start this?

Statement needs no reply, however I strongly suggest we continue with the IC RP. If you wont make a move, we will.

ROFL, so you're saying one and a bit brigades (that's 5000-10000 troops, which is what I initially said it would be) are going to ransack Greston?

You're argueing for me now. My putting a base near yours with no more than 15,000 men doesn't mean I am invading.

And it is sovereign, meaning it is no-longer Grestonian territory.

Sovereign is what describes my nation, your nation, and other Havenic nations but not this base once again I point out this treaty was never signed ICly making your little base illegal for you are claiming Grestonian land to be your land when it was never ICly agreed upon.

OH NOES.

Which, in the escence, is what I am saying. You don't need all of Haven to come help you do nothing! The RP is open to only the people listed before (MU members, Anagonia, Kirav, Praetonia, NW if pressed, Akimonad, Scan States, and possibly Kampfers) and closed to all else.



Statement needs no reply, however I strongly suggest we continue with the IC RP. If you wont make a move, we will.

Ooo, I'm shivering in my boots. I once again state YOU HAVE NO GROUND TO ATTACK UPON!

Ooo, I'm shivering in my boots. I once again state YOU HAVE NO GROUND TO ATTACK UPON!

Aww, well you pissed us off, so we are.

IC post coming.

Good grief, can`t we all just meet somewhere in rl and beat the shit out of each other? I`m tired of this bickering bullshit.

Jeez, this is even making me want some peace and quiet. I'm more than happy to help you, Greston, but let's just move on ICly.

OrBat:
All ships are from the Royal Shipyards of Isselmere-Nieland. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484448)
More detail on aircraft and troops et cetera to come when I have the chance. Consider this a forward fleet, more may be sent.

Surface Combat:
[3] x Admiral-class CCN
[6] x Union-class CVBN
[30] x Síanach-class DDGN

Submerged Combat:
[12] x Nowotny-class SSN
[6] x Chamberlain-class SSBN

Amphibious Assault:
[2] x Marquess-class LHCN
[12] x Ungforth-class LPD

Logistics:
[36] x Guinness-class AOEN
+ Troop ships/hospital ships to come.

Where is this IC thread?

http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13688500#post13688500

I noticed that Prae has been informed he has 'illegally' entered Mediterranican waters. I've explained this before, but the extreme of maritime boundaries in RL extends to two-hundred nautical miles, and is usually under ten, so it would be a bit funny if yours extended to claim tens of thousands of square kilometres of ocean.

Notice how we are not in RL here on these forums. My nation alone would cover mabye 1/4 of the RL globe, so if I so decide to claim all the waters of my region I can. Hell if I so chose to claim the waters within 5000 miles then so be it. Its up to the player to make that call though.

Please note the fact that I'm possibly the only Ally of Pictavia who's taking this seriously.

(*prodding to make everyone actually participate*) :P

Also note the invasion forces will be used to decimate the Allies of Greston, should Greston somehow, through either Nuclear bloodshed or unearthly hydrogen bombardment, seem to not have LAND to live upon.

Also, please note, any allies of Anagonia currently on Grestons side of affairs are urged to reconsider. As, ICly, Anagonia will more than likely not hesitate in engaging in open warfare of any kind.

OOCly, I'm just placing my Nation, which has NO OTHER engagements in MT, to basically submit its forces, as much as currently possible, to see that one side or another makes either one reconsider the follies of either ones bickering and/or whatever.

Basically, let's beat each other up until were friends again!

Notice how we are not in RL here on these forums. My nation alone would cover mabye 1/4 of the RL globe, so if I so decide to claim all the waters of my region I can. Hell if I so chose to claim the waters within 5000 miles then so be it. Its up to the player to make that call though.

Ok, then I claim my people can stop bullets with their minds, since this isn't IRL
If your nation doesn't act at least remotely one it would IRL, this simply loses any of the realism that we have control over.

I think that is the point NP, if claiming something makes it so means nothing, as is evidenced by this entire situation. Anyway we have IC movement.

As per my latest post, I assume unless the Cottish are taking an extremely radical way around, which would give Greston more time to scramble, then he must come within my naval squadron's firing range. So combat. Np there are some poorly informed frogmen swimming towards your base inside Greston.

For the incitement it is apparent, I believe I have some diocese with Havenic nations so everyone is cool with terrorist bombs at home?

TG Picty

I think that is the point NP, if claiming something makes it so means nothing, as is evidenced by this entire situation. Anyway we have IC movement.

As per my latest post, I assume unless the Cottish are taking an extremely radical way around, which would give Greston more time to scramble, then he must come within my naval squadron's firing range. So combat. Np there are some poorly informed frogmen swimming towards your base inside Greston.

For the incitement it is apparent, I believe I have some diocese with Havenic nations so everyone is cool with terrorist bombs at home?

I believe it would be hard to do. The Imperial Empire has a Christian church of its own, which convey's to the entire United Republic. Yet there is a chance, of course, that followers of your sect had come in and prepared. But the evidence will be found, possibly, that your declaration started it. At this point, should Anagonia have an excuse to use its Nuclear Arsenal, it will. If your declaration was open to the world at large, then obviously Cyber-Terrorist experts would have calculated it. Therefore using it as an excuse to launch a massive counter attack.

Just be careful how you do it. Terrorism takes many forms, and if you leave one way open I'll use it. :P

What a secret publicity stunt? O-o No but if you read it's very vague, and though any man in the street could probably make the connection, you couldn't really be sure. It's all rhetoric, and does not call for a specific attack, just a arming against evil, which in itself is very common. It's public yes but unless your really trigger happy, there is no specific grounds for the attack.

I know I have a branch in Kampfers, which he has a TG about incidentally, so we are at least close to the heart.

Alright, then I'll take it that Anagonia has no connections whatsoever unless you Role Play an agent infiltrating the Nation. Of course, with your description, any Counter-Terrorists individuals won't be looking to be critical of any religion, as there is no credible threat. Only gibberish.

Waldenburg, how far is your fleet from the coast?

Anagonia, would it be alright if I hitchiked my troops into battle on some of your ships?

Anagonia, would it be alright if I hitchiked my troops into battle on some of your ships?

Oh hell yea! Anagonia is open to all known allies of Nova Pictavia, meaning all allies involved. Therefore your more than welcome to actually take control of my Military (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Military) at any time, or wait until I launch the land invasion. Take care to look at the MT versions, not the space guy's. I dun wanna make Greston cry as Fusion beams godmod their way into there...and lead to me being ignored >.>

Hey Londy, any way we can set up an epic battleship fight here? I'd like to go up against a great tactical person like you. I'm not on much, but I have plenty of ships to spare for the epic.

I just want to point out that it'll take a bit for your ships to get to Greston, unless you're located right next to the Med.

22 miles from your base (I think I said that ) since I believe this is in a bay in my memory serves me correctly then, closer to Grestonian shores maybe 8 miles from the continent itself at the closest point.

Oh hell yea! Anagonia is open to all known allies of Nova Pictavia, meaning all allies involved. Therefore your more than welcome to actually take control of my Military (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Military) at any time, or wait until I launch the land invasion. Take care to look at the MT versions, not the space guy's. I dun wanna make Greston cry as Fusion beams godmod their way into there...and lead to me being ignored >.>

Thanks much! :D

Waldenburg, your Frogmen are likely either dead or stranded due to extreme range and convulsions from Nitrogen (according to Munchy, a diving enthusiast).

Theoroshia, not that I want to brag about it, but I was in E.V.I.L II all the way through as well :3

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/Yallak/infiniteempirefinal1.jpg
OFFICIAL IMPERIAL TRANSMISSION

TO: Jules Hodz, Lord Protector of Akimonad
FROM: The High Council of Arrandin
SUBJECT: Re: Open Declaration

An interested statement given neither New Pictavia, yourself or The Silver Sky possess interests within Mediterranica. None the less, if you wish to sacrifice so many of your people for our amusement, we will oblige you.

Yours Faithfully,

Lord Balor,
Emperor of Yallak and its Territories

lurk moar. Akimonad, TSS, and Novacom all own pieces of BL.

Waldenburg, your Frogmen are likely either dead or stranded due to extreme range and convulsions from Nitrogen (according to Munchy, a diving enthusiast).

Theoroshia, not that I want to brag about it, but I was in E.V.I.L II all the way through as well :3

On those underwater electric sledge things? They can average nearly 40 Kilometers an hour, the Frogmen could be there in less than three hours, I don't really see the problem. Although I myself am no diving expert, three hours underwater doesn't kill people especially at maybe only forty feet under. I couldn't say exactly.

What? NP, you too? Fuck, now I really have to make a hard choice...

lurk moar. Akimonad, TSS, and Novacom all own pieces of BL.

The only parts of BL in the region are the colonies of Britzkium and Oickoidia, Deva Victrix as far as I know is not located in Mediterranica. Unless of course you are referring to them in which case you'd be correct.

I'm going to make this easy for people choosing sides here. Anagonia has stated ICly it intends to nuke the living heck out of everyone opposing Nova Pictavia. So, yea. Not saying anything OOCly, just making sure the IC comment is ensured.

Be aware that Tactical Nukes will be used to lessen huge fleet numbers should the IC Fleets come across them. The Imperial Doctrine gives permission. Unless you don't want them, of course, basically refuse them or something.

Anyway, just out of respect, just giving a heads up.

The only parts of BL in the region are the colonies of Britzkium and Oickoidia, Deva Victrix as far as I know is not located in Mediterranica. Unless of course you are referring to them in which case you'd be correct.

Funny. When I invaded it in the RP where I obtained the colony, I was told that it was in Mediterranica.

So make up your minds, please.

Funny. When I invaded it in the RP where I obtained the colony, I was told that it was in Mediterranica.

So make up your minds, please.

By whom? It clearly isn't on our map

On those underwater electric sledge things? They can average nearly 40 Kilometers an hour, the Frogmen could be there in less than three hours, I don't really see the problem. Although I myself am no diving expert, three hours underwater doesn't kill people especially at maybe only forty feet under. I couldn't say exactly.

Yeah, Munchy took them into account. He said they could do a mile tops, so unfortunately they're all dead due to military blunder :D

Be aware that Tactical Nukes will be used to lessen huge fleet numbers should the IC Fleets come across them. The Imperial Doctrine gives permission. Unless you don't want them, of course, basically refuse them or something.

Anyway, just out of respect, just giving a heads up.

Ok, I refuse.

No, but seriously, I've already made my position known and will pretty much ignore any use of nuclear weapons from anyone on any side unless you somehow RP it in such a way that I find it doesn't ruin the RP (which most nuke usages do).

Be aware that Tactical Nukes will be used to lessen huge fleet numbers should the IC Fleets come across them. The Imperial Doctrine gives permission. Unless you don't want them, of course, basically refuse them or something.

Anyway, just out of respect, just giving a heads up.

Oh come on, who doesn't want an epic naval battle? :p

By whom? It clearly isn't on our map

Yallak, actually.

Oh come on, who doesn't want an epic naval battle? :p

Epic naval battle = Questers vs SS, not Haven vs Med. The first is epic, the second is epic suicide.

edit: sucide by haven = new catchphrase, everyone

Are you talking about that RP that never happened? Because thats the only time I ever said BL was still in the Med, and at that time that was the only info we had from BL. I didn't have knowledge of any anyside lands he had.

For clarification now though you can check our map. Only the lands on that are in the med.

Ok, I refuse.

No, but seriously, I've already made my position known and will pretty much ignore any use of nuclear weapons from anyone on any side unless you somehow RP it in such a way that I find it doesn't ruin the RP (which most nuke usages do).

I have ways of making sure even the most devout hater of Nukes somehow finds it pleasing to watch their civilization burn. Srsly, I heard them laugh a half a world away at my descriptions!

Also, Kampfer, you are correct. It will be most interesting to watch the trap unfold.

Opps, said too much.

EDIT

Be off tonight, work tomorrow, then nuking playground of fun.

Yallak, actually.

Are you talking about that RP that never happened? Because thats the only time I ever said BL was still in the Med, and at that time that was the only info we had from BL. I didn't have knowledge of any anyside lands he had.

For clarification now though you can check our map. Only the lands on that are in the med.

BL has asked me to put Deva Victrix in the south of the Med so effectively it's on the map, I just have to update it

Epic naval battle = Questers vs SS, not Haven vs Med. The first is epic, the second is epic suicide.

Well Med vs. Haven in a naval battle would probably not end well for us, but this isn't Med vs. Haven. and That was really more directed at Anagonia's armada

I've pulled out after having talks with Haven.

WP: It had me confused too, and just so everyone knows I have 1 Fleet, 1 Marine Corp, and 1 Air Force Division within my colony in BL.

On those underwater electric sledge things? They can average nearly 40 Kilometers an hour, the Frogmen could be there in less than three hours, I don't really see the problem. Although I myself am no diving expert, three hours underwater doesn't kill people especially at maybe only forty feet under. I couldn't say exactly.

40 km/hr is about 20 knots, that's pretty darn fast. Most commercial ones I see out there for divers are about a tenth of that, but we'll use a fourth to make things nice. (military wank and such) That'd be 5 knots or about 10 km/hr. Even if we go with something like EANx40 or something for a rebreather so there are less bubbles, there's a cap on how long a diver can operate. Nitrogen times are VERY concrete, violating 'em results in death.

Past that, even if you last the full three, three and a half hours you have for nitrogen time at 20 or so feet, where you'll prolly cruise most of the time to avoid detection, you have diver fatigue and air supply to worry about. 80 cubic feet of air may sound like a lot, but at 33 feet you breathe twice as much per breath. Granted, you get twice the use per breath with those rebreathers at EANx40, but you still suck air fast. Plus those scooters don't have the longest range, three and a half hours is a long time on battery for something that small.

I'd say five miles is probably the outside of the distance you'd even want to think about divers, more likely four or three.

Hmmm.. I sent a link to NP, when the forums were at their peek of awfulness, which I now seemed to have lost, that details a DPV with a range of 96 Km. Cosmos Chariot if I remember correctly with some variant numbers tacked on. It has a comparatively low speed, and it would push your nitrogen barrier, but it would still arrive on time, under three hours. Anyway NP seems to have edited his post, so I'm content. Follow up this afternoon.

EDIT Oh dear God I feel like a bastard, using the mentally retarded to bomb children's hospitals, in a religious terrorist war.

Waldenburg, I think Munchy's dispute is with the range of your breathing apparatus, namely the effects of Nitrogen after the time it would take you to cover that distance. You still have to reply to my MLRS attack on your fleet as well.

Waldenburg, I think Munchy's dispute is with the range of your breathing apparatus, namely the effects of Nitrogen after the time it would take you to cover that distance. You still have to reply to my MLRS attack on your fleet as well.

Ah well, then that problem is solved, since we can easily get there in under three hours, at even six knots (Slightly over 3 hours), which does not account for our military futuristicness. Quite a few scuba tanks have capacity of over six hours, so why would they be made to a point where they kill people from by products under maximum range, it seems rather counter productive. Or maybe I just don't understand the problem. Anyway it's all cleared up now. I had little time this morning, and couldn't do more than one thing. Everything coming.

And I probably should have asked earlier...But Munchy? Who it this?

40 km/hr is about 20 knots, that's pretty darn fast. Most commercial ones I see out there for divers are about a tenth of that, but we'll use a fourth to make things nice. (military wank and such) That'd be 5 knots or about 10 km/hr. Even if we go with something like EANx40 or something for a rebreather so there are less bubbles, there's a cap on how long a diver can operate. Nitrogen times are VERY concrete, violating 'em results in death.

Past that, even if you last the full three, three and a half hours you have for nitrogen time at 20 or so feet, where you'll prolly cruise most of the time to avoid detection, you have diver fatigue and air supply to worry about. 80 cubic feet of air may sound like a lot, but at 33 feet you breathe twice as much per breath. Granted, you get twice the use per breath with those rebreathers at EANx40, but you still suck air fast. Plus those scooters don't have the longest range, three and a half hours is a long time on battery for something that small.

I'd say five miles is probably the outside of the distance you'd even want to think about divers, more likely four or three.

It's cool mate, just making sure you hadn't missed them. I'm short on time myself and Jolt's being an absolute bitch lately. No_Endorse and Number_Muncher are the same player, btw, and he's the founder of the NukeWealth.

Also Aschenhyrst, you can't declare you did something weeks ago when you never even said anything about it then. Simple as that.

I`m sorry, I must have done that via tg with my regionmates. Strikingly similar to how this entire damned affair began. The mining of the seas stays.

A listing of my armory will soon be up, I primarily use US modern equipment with a little bit of new technology.

I`m sorry, I must have done that via tg with my regionmates. Strikingly similar to how this entire damned affair began. The mining of the seas stays.

Well no, since Greston and I's agreement (which involved parties from both sides) is apparently void because it was over TG, your TG-ing your region mates to say you've made a minefield is not an excuse whatsoever.

Waldenburg, there's not a chance in hell your Harriers will have been able to intercept 179 rockets a minute being fired continuously plus the vast majority of my missiles, especially since the window to effectively destroy them in such a method would be ridiculously small and any kills would be by extreme fluke. Your CIWS would still pick up some kills however, but realistically that's about it.

Well no, since Greston and I's agreement (which involved parties from both sides) is apparently void because it was over TG, your TG-ing your region mates to say you've made a minefield is not an excuse whatsoever.

Well if thats true then this RP shouldn't even be happening as the whole thing is based on the fact that you demanded the treaty was valid and Grestons subcedent voiding of it

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Since war is imminent, it`s best to start making plans and preparations.

Aschenhyrst requests permission from Yallak to use it`s airspace and base aircraft in Northern Yallak for the duration of this conflict.
Aircraft to based there will include: Fighters and Bombers (of both conventional and stealth design), Transport, Tankers and Close Air Support craft.

We also request the use of one or two naval bases in the vicinity of the combat theatre for support and stageing operations.

****NOTICE TO MU ALLIED FORCES THAT WILL BE IN OR NEAR DOMINION TERRITORY*****

WE authorize MILITARIZATION of the Pan-Med through Dominion Lands.

WE have placed naval mines in all seas near Dominion Territory, this began at the begining of the crisis, Theorosia has also mined it`s seas. Danger zone extends up to 500km from our shores. and includes the entire Barot Sea. Contact either Dominion Coast Guard or Royal Navy for escourt through these waters. We regret any inconvienence this may cause.

That's disputed diplomacy (which whether you think it's ICly valid or not, Greston was aware of and agreed to it, the fact he vetoed it one month later after it had been actively practised acknowledged its existence), this is a several-thousand-square Kilometre minefield (of which we knew nothing about). He has to RP that sort of shit, it's II basics.

I'm not planning to go to Aschencryst, so I don't really care about that, but let's be sensible about this.

All Allied Forces be aware that starting tomorrow ALL ENEMY MOVEMENTS NOT HIDDEN FROM ORBIT shall be viewable and noticed according to transmission sent by the Anagonian Military Command to all Allied Military Commands.

The exception, for the Enemy, is that if a unit(s) is hidden via some factor then the element of surprise remains yours. Via either some element our military cannot factor, or something with RP considerations.

Waldenburg, there's not a chance in hell your Harriers will have been able to intercept 179 rockets a minute being fired continuously plus the vast majority of my missiles, especially since the window to effectively destroy them in such a method would be ridiculously small and any kills would be by extreme fluke. Your CIWS would still pick up some kills however, but realistically that's about it.

Perhaps, but I believe in fact it is 179 rockets in a volley, then a long reload time rumored to be upward of 9 minutes for the less efficient armed forces. I believe the system is based in pods of six rockets which means 12 rockets per unit per volley. And if your missiles are moving in an arc that has no reason to change, as it guided by remote observer which has enough problems as it is. There was no movement of my carrier, so no coordinates have changed, the start and finish points have not altered, so unless your satellites are doing some incredible split second vectoring in their guiding, it is as easy as trigonometry to plot the rockets course. If there is something I am not considering please point it out, but I believe it is a guided rocket not independent or otherwise. Other than that I promised the kills to Cot in the OOC underneath, so it all works out in the end, so there is really no need to argue over the point.

Ol' Nukem, TG for you.

Ol' Nukem, TG for you.

Ol' Stoky, Anny Nukem is pleased by your Telegram. Anny Nukem replies.

Perhaps, but I believe in fact it is 179 rockets in a volley, then a long reload time rumored to be upward of 9 minutes for the less efficient armed forces. I believe the system is based in pods of six rockets which means 12 rockets per unit per volley. And if your missiles are moving in an arc that has no reason to change, as it guided by remote observer which has enough problems as it is. There was no movement of my carrier, so no coordinates have changed, the start and finish points have not altered, so unless your satellites are doing some incredible split second vectoring in their guiding, it is as easy as trigonometry to plot the rockets course. If there is something I am not considering please point it out, but I believe it is a guided rocket not independent or otherwise. Other than that I promised the kills to Cot in the OOC underneath, so it all works out in the end, so there is really no need to argue over the point.

Sorry about that, I mean being fired in a minute. They are not all fired at once, it takes 60 seconds for the full 12 to be launched then nine minutes for a reload (IIRC), but air-to-air rockets would still not achieve anything except lucky kills. Your Harriers would not only have to take into account the firing arc (from 15 different vectors), but the velocity of the rockets, the velocity of their own plus the relative speed and degree at which their planes are moving at (all indeed choreographed to the distance the rockets detonate at, as because of the volume of your launch proximity detection would be unsuccessful), all calculated by a pilot and apparently executed seamlessly. Also, since the barrage is continuous during the first minute, you'd have to somehow manage the feat of coordinating your planes launching your rockets in shifts every five seconds, again, seamlessly.

Picty, reply to TG. Stoky, reply to TG.

Huh, didn't even see we had an OOC thread. Well then, sorry I have not posted since the first page, guys. Been terribly busy. Don't worry though, Conglomerate forces will be making themselves known shortly ;) . EDIT: Also, could I get topographical information of Greston? I want to know what I'm fighting in. Hills, mountains, plains, jungle, forest, city, town, swamp? And where is the Pictish base located?

As for ORBAT, right now I'm committing twelve divisions. Five are armored (known as "cataphract" divisions in Byzantine slang, or 'phract for short) and seven are mechanized. Roughly 24 missile bus airships, 15 or so AWACS airships. There are two armadas under my control but owned and operated by The Silver Sky, so you'll have to ask him for relative size. I just assume they have battleships and carriers and I'm free to run them all aground.

Sorry about that, I mean being fired in a minute. They are not all fired at once, it takes 60 seconds for the full 12 to be launched then nine minutes for a reload (IIRC), but air-to-air rockets would still not achieve anything except lucky kills. Your Harriers would not only have to take into account the firing arc (from 15 different vectors), but the velocity of the rockets, the velocity of their own plus the relative speed and degree at which their planes are moving at (all indeed choreographed to the distance the rockets detonate at, as because of the volume of your launch proximity detection would be unsuccessful), all calculated by a pilot and apparently executed seamlessly. Also, since the barrage is continuous during the first minute, you'd have to somehow manage the feat of coordinating your planes launching your rockets in shifts every five seconds, again, seamlessly.


We have a whole fleet of people of for that (Not that they'd be that great at it either), and since this is a real device, which Indeed the Waldenburgers have as well, we know the velocity of the rockets. As for Harrier's they are Harriers, thrust vectoring should be noted so there at least problems should be small, we can maintain a general area very easily. As for my rockets, I would protest their proximity settings being declared unilaterally useless. If I were to take the version presented by yourself perhaps they would detonate after leaving the hardpoints, because what's this there's a plane behind it! This is not a version of events I prescribe to at all if you see my point. And who said without fault, the CIWS took some down, and the carrier was hit. It is flawed yes, I agree, we could probably pick at the situation for days with no perfect answer, but this is above all role playing not a technical college, so we must move forward.

A post on general geography will come here, later today.

We have a whole fleet of people of for that (Not that they'd be that great at it either), and since this is a real device, which Indeed the Waldenburgers have as well, we know the velocity of the rockets. As for Harrier's they are Harriers, thrust vectoring should be noted so there at least problems should be small, we can maintain a general area very easily. As for my rockets, I would protest their proximity settings being declared unilaterally useless. If I were to take the version presented by yourself perhaps they would detonate after leaving the hardpoints, because what's this there's a plane behind it! This is not a version of events I prescribe to at all if you see my point. And who said without fault, the CIWS took some down, and the carrier was hit. It is flawed yes, I agree, we could probably pick at the situation for days with no perfect answer, but this is above all role playing not a technical college, so we must move forward.

A post on general geography will come here, later today.

After talking to numerous experts (at least NS related) on modern military tech, the general consensus is that it is impossible. The owner of the NSDraftroom, The Maccabees, is one of these folk, and welcomes you to open a topic in the Draftroom if you really believe you can prove this is feasible.

But for the moment, c'est impossible I'm afraid. Plus you still have torpedoes to RP. By the way, everything that was fired was directed towards your carrier, destroyers and amphib assault ship, and the torpedoes would be picking apart your frigates (eight torpedoes, four 585mm torpedoes and another four 660mm each heading towards eight different targets) since the aforementioned should be sunk.

Also Yallak, where exactly is your fleet and what is it comprised of? I need to know before I can reply and/or prepare a defense. I also need to know what you're firing, the quantities and the number of aircraft heading my way to RP accurate damage.

After talking to numerous experts (at least NS related) on modern military tech, the general consensus is that it is impossible. The owner of the NSDraftroom, The Maccabees, is one of these folk, and welcomes you to open a topic in the Draftroom if you really believe you can prove this is feasible.

But for the moment, c'est impossible I'm afraid. Plus you still have torpedoes to RP. By the way, everything that was fired was directed towards your larger ships.

Also Yallak, where exactly is your fleet and what is it comprised of? I need to know before I can reply and/or prepare a defense. I also need to know what you're firing, the quantities and the number of aircraft heading my way to RP accurate damage.

Exactly where I mentioned in the post. Off the coast of greston near your base, just out of gun range. Can't be much more specific than that because im not sure where your base actually is on Grestons map.

My fleet is comprised of:

5 Karak -class Battleships
15 Beliskner -class Fleet Carriers
20 Khôrland -class Battleships
50 Sentai -class Cruisers
60 Kôan -class Destroyers
50 Arveil -class Frigates

Total fleet aircraft (though they are still someway off and not in range, they will hold above the fleet until the strike is finished): 3600 (2/5th Fighter Bombers)

Also just to note, i'm very much against tech wanking and you'll never convince me I need to details the specifics of how my missiles function etc etc in posts...its irrelevant really for a good RP. Anyway, as I also noted they were cruise missiles. As I didn't really mention there are about 1000, mostly explosive but several (about 1/15 of them) have phosphorous warheads to incenerate everything they touch.

The base, 'East Partha' is on the island to the far Grestonian East. I also wouldn't mind knowing exactly how far you are off the coast (since most weapons have different ranges). Although 'tech want' is useful, I know how much explosive is being directed my way, and everything's too vague to RP to at the moment. Cheers, mate.

EDIT: Do you have links to the stats of your ships?

EDIT2: I still need to know what aircraft and ideally the type of missiles (regardless of 'techwank', you only need to Wikipedia it, at the very least payload) you've launched.

Okay, I just discovered this thread and I thought I'd let you all know I'll be lurking. If you have any questions regarding my posts, just ask them here and I'll reply when I read them.

Also, does anyone have a link to a map of the area of operations?

Link (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/Mediterranica-3.png)

East Partha is on the west coast of that smaller Grestonian island to the east, right next to BLC- Oickoidia, I believe.

Okay.


So, err... Where exactly on this map is this place we're fighting over located again?

Also just to note, i'm very much against tech wanking and you'll never convince me I need to details the specifics of how my missiles function etc etc in posts...its irrelevant really for a good RP.

Being detailed is a whole lot different from techwanking. It's nice to know the speed or at least the type of missile in case you need to calculate anything.

Then I wish like to know why exactly it is impossible and simply not implausible.

Waldenburger ideals are rather backwards so probably our only defense against them will be torpedo nets, ideally it was to be dealt with by being made obsolete by Cotlands air strikes, but now we have reached a point where we are again deadlocked.

As for geography promised earlier Waldenburg itself is about 10 million sq Km's about 85% of which is desert, scrublands, or mountains of some variety of another. The orange blob on the map is where ideally the Aspyr river leads to the sea. It along with several other valleys form the green heart of the Empire. To the north, north west and west deserts extend for thousands of kilometers. To the south there are mountains occasionally dotted with habitable valleys. Vast amounts of silver, and oil are taken from the mountains and deserts respectively. There are a few planned cities in the desert simply to say "we have done so" and comparatively few military bases or indeed supplies of any variety.

The nominal capital is Blünderburg which with it's twin sister Strienlikstern (The Imperial and all around more pleasant capital) straddles the Aspyr and a few other rivers and a few foothills to the south. As Kampfers put it aptly by TG Blünderburg is to Berlin under the Weimar regime, as Weimer is to Strienlikstern. The Imperial capital is the seat of the Emperor, Cenobiarch, major corporations, Imperial military ect. while all the labor it delegated to other cities. 17 miles off the Mouth of the Aspyr is the man made island of Sador which is bristling with military armaments.

Ringing the country to the extreme north and northwest (off the map) is the Rimwald, a ring no larger than 20 kilometers in width, extending some four hundred miles along the coast. It represents the spiritual home of the Empire, we get rather tetchy about harming what's left of our environment and I believe I have 7 Army Groups guarding it. Sacred groves, ancient temples and that sort of thing.

As per Anagonia's spying efforts, which we are probably aware of but incapable of stopping, in a general sense, whatever the case besides the Rimwald very little of our border is actually guarded, we have never seen the point in stopping fools from marching across four thousand miles of desert without any water. Congruently the greener portions of the Empire are bristling with weapons, and due to the ancient custom of tithing two billion Church goers have been digging trenches, building mortars, learning the martial arts and being instructed in making napalm around the Metropolitan heart of the Empire. The fortifications are extensive and rather elaborate, ranging to the purely dangerous for absolutely everyone wandering around.

Again to Kampfers, hmm.. tricky one, just pick a city that sounds fun and bomb it's cathedral, that'll cause a little rage. Scant, Ibblesguard, Ibblestern, Mintansburg, Blünderburg, Dwellstienrimmle, Smechtsburg, Saxe-Gloomburg, or pick an industry or whatever is appropriate for whatever you have in mind.

For Aki: I'm not intercepting his missiles, in fact I promised him the killing blow to the fleet in two threads, I have shot down NP's guided rockets, which there is some derision about. The harriers move away, and haha our enemies are defeated, but what is this!? From the sky. I was thinking I may save one of the ships simply because. As for Harriers they are all in the air, I'm just sticking a bit of time in between strikes of Cottish forces simply for ease of posting.

Anagonia, when does your ground assault start? I'm going to assume that KE forces will disembark and conduct their assault alongside URA troops.

Waldenburger ideals are rather backwards so probably our only defense against them will be torpedo nets

The torpedoes have too much force driving them for the nets to be effective at all.

Just for the record, the OOC thread is officially over twice as long as the IC thread.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/es310/uw_wpns/uw_wpns.htm << why torpedo nets are useless against modern torps.

IE: They detonate below the ship, far enough below that a torpedo net would be useless.

I don't disagree, I said it was backwards. Interesting page though.

I'm very sorry, what did I miss? I had a funeral I had to attend so I was away yesterday and most of today, just got back like half an hour ago.

Just for the record, the OOC thread is officially over twice as long as the IC thread.

It's served two IC threads, bare in mind.

I don't disagree, I said it was backwards. Interesting page though.

My rockets are likely to be travelling at at least 340 m/s when they reach your fleet. You'd have 1-2 minutes to react upon detecting the launch to intercepting them, and since this coincides with the first Cottish strike (when we detect you mobilizing against them) you'd have 1-2 minutes to just get your Harriers in the air. Even if they were already in the air, you'd only have one to two minutes to do the relevant calculations on your ships, get your harriers into the right vector for launch and at the right speed and distance.

I may have missed something, but what you've tried to do is actually impossible.

I'm very sorry, what did I miss? I had a funeral I had to attend so I was away yesterday and most of today, just got back like half an hour ago.

Np, there's only been one attack on you, on the first or second page of the IC thread by Cottish bombers.

Waldenburg:

While I'm not sure of the speed and altitude for the XM31 missiles Picts fired, I can assume about Mach 1 for a median speed and about twelve to thirty meters for the altitude of travel. The overall speed is about 340 meters per second. Picts has told me that you're about 35 kilometers from the base.

At a speed of Mach 1, it would take the missiles 102 seconds or about one minute to hit the fleet.

At a speed of about Mach 0.75 it would take about 137 seconds or about 2 minutes.

So it would take anywhere from one to two minutes for the missiles to hit the fleet.

While you'd be able to detect the missiles immediately upon launch, you'd have a very, very short time to react. You could only rely on missile CIWS for any amount of kills.

Picts fired 180 missiles at 18 ships. That's 10 missiles per ship if they were distributed evenly, but they're directed at the Forrestal, Wasp and Sovremenny destroyers. That's a total of five ships, and 36 missiles per ship.

I can tell you this then: the Forrestal, with only three Phalanx gun CIWS (which can only track one missile at a time) would be dead, the Wasp would be dead or extremely damaged and listing heavily, and the Sovremenny destroyers would probably also be damaged enough that they wouldn't be able to continue combat.

You'd be taking serious losses.

The Harriers were in the air when the Pictish launched their attack, the carrier groups was dispatched literally weeks ago when this whole thing started and were never withdrawn. the Harriers were in the air to give halfhearted and truly hopeless chase to the Cottish strike on Union base, which turned, and true to due to their little hope of striking supersonic bombers, did not give much of a chase. All, or nearly all, assets are in the air, when the Pictish attacked, especially if the squadron, as is normally the case, would be put on stand by when making an attack (Frogmen dispatched three hours earlier) everything primed and ready when the action began from Waldenburg's end. So we have pilots in their planes, prepared for action, fingers to switches and similar.

What are you implying? That the Harriers would be able to organize into a formation, acquire the missiles and counterattack in two minutes? Because they can't.

What are you implying? That the Harriers would be able to organize into a formation, acquire the missiles and counterattack in two minutes? Because they can't.

I'm saying Harriers, (in conjunction with CIWS) in a loose formation could launch proximity rockets in a defensive screen against enemy rockets following a set course in two minutes.

The Harriers were in the air when the Pictish launched their attack, the carrier groups was dispatched literally weeks ago when this whole thing started and were never withdrawn. the Harriers were in the air to give halfhearted and truly hopeless chase to the Cottish strike on Union base, which turned, and true to due to their little hope of striking supersonic bombers, did not give much of a chase. All, or nearly all, assets are in the air, when the Pictish attacked, especially if the squadron, as is normally the case, would be put on stand by when making an attack (Frogmen dispatched three hours earlier) everything primed and ready when the action began from Waldenburg's end. So we have pilots in their planes, prepared for action, fingers to switches and similar.

No, if you look back to my post the rockets were launched when we detected your fleet tracking and preparing to mobilize against the Cottish Blackadders. You'd still only have one and a half minutes, but even with your harriers in the air it is still not possible. Aki's described fairly accurately what the damage would be, plus you will probably have widespread fires. Also, you've still got 8 torpedoes targeting 8 of your frigates.

I'm saying Harriers, (in conjunction with CIWS) in a loose formation could launch proximity rockets in a defensive screen against enemy rockets following a set course in two minutes.

So they fly in formation ALL THE TIME? How do they patrol?

At any rate if they fly like that I could swoop behind them with a few F-22s and knock them all down in a snap.

EDIT: Not even going to bother, If I catch you on a technicality like that what is the point eh? No still ultimately it is my fleet falling to either the Cottish or the Pictish, and I would still argue that air groups could be up. I had another point (the one on which made the last line valid) but have jsut lost it give me a minute.


I'm also interested how the Commander knew they were Cottish, but just as an interesting side topic.

To Aki? Patrol against what? We are in allied waters, we do not need to patrol against Grestonian attack, we need to be ready to attack.

I'm also interested how the Commander knew they were Cottish, but just as an interesting side topic.

To Aki? Patrol against what? We are in allied waters, we do not need to patrol against Grestonian attack, we need to be ready to attack.

Patrol against what? You're 35km from a hostile base with air capability!

So you're saying all of your Harriers are constantly in the sky, flying in formation? Even then, the rockets are at Mach 1 at least. Seriously, go get a harrier and see if you can shoot them down with 'proximity rockets' with a minute and a half to prepare. The space in between the MLRS and Cottish attacks gives you time to assault my base, so that's why you don't get to choose who sinks your fleet.

Shall I go back to catching you on the tense of your post then? As for patrolling, remember we were looking for a reason for war? Why stop you from rocketing an ancient aircraft carrier and it's squadron?

Cotland does in fact verify there are enemies behind him in his next post, although this too is minor. But the definition of scramble is "Directing the immediate takeoff of aircraft from a ground alert condition of readiness" as defined by the DOD and NATO. I couldn't tell you the exact time it takes to lift a plane of from a ground condition of readiness, but I bet it's fairly short for a Harrier. I also don't know how long it takes for something in orbit to vector the firing conditions accounting for orbit and curveture and beam them down to 15 different batteries, probably coded as well, and how long it takes to elevate missile tubes and prime missiles and direct attack. And if your were split second on to my warships first mobilization, which for a VTOL would involve warming it's engines, if not done so all ready, which requires so little movement, then I would be equally amazed. I couldn't tell you the exact time, but I'm guessing their not actually all that far from different when all said and done.

Waldenburg:Picts fired 180 missiles at 18 ships. That's 10 missiles per ship if they were distributed evenly, but they're directed at the Forrestal, Wasp and Sovremenny destroyers. That's a total of five ships, and 36 missiles per ship.

That would make them even easier to destroy than spread out then because all the missiles would be coming from the same point to the same point on the same course.

To Pict: I guess you'll have to retcon my presence in this RP then if your expecting me to sit around listing off speeds and the like. Despite the fact its never been necessary in all the years I've RPed here to lists off speeds and warheads, generally I would have changed my posts to accomodate you but I don't have time to sit around doing it now, i did emphasise that before every post (hell, it took almost the whole day just to get my last post written). And no I can't even link you because all my new designs have not been added online to my factbook save my frigate class.

Apologies for any inconveniences.

That would make them even easier to destroy than spread out then because all the missiles would be coming from the same point to the same point on the same course.

They're fired continuously over the space of a minute. Like 50th time I've said this.

I guess you'll have to retcon my presence in this RP then if your expecting me to sit around listing off speeds and the like. Despite the fact its never been necessary in all the years I've RPed here to lists off speeds and warheads, generally I would have changed my posts to accomodate you but I don't have time to sit around doing it now, i did emphasise that before every post (hell, it took almost the whole day just to get my last post written). And no I can't even link you because all my new designs have not been added online to my factbook save my frigate class.

Well this is how the big kids do it. Stats, speeds et cetera are required so that we can develop tactics to counter them and/or RP realistic damage. Of course if I had a few of Waldenburg's supermagic point and shoot harriers, this wouldn't be a problem. Especially the ships, I mean since we don't even know anything about them we don't even know if they're feasible.

All you'd really have to do is find the thing you want to use online, say your using it and then we can search for all the details we may need at our own leisure. That's why I've taken the time to supply you with a link to the stats of my ships and used a RL rocket and MLRS that you can look up.

Apologies for any inconveniences.

No problem. If you don't have the time then that's unavoidable.

That would make them even easier to destroy than spread out then because all the missiles would be coming from the same point to the same point on the same course.

No... there's five different targets. If they're spread like a normal battlegroup there would be missiles all over, flying in all different directions.

To Aki? Patrol against what? We are in allied waters, we do not need to patrol against Grestonian attack, we need to be ready to attack.

Um, enemy planes, maybe? Perhaps those Blackadders Cotland is flying towards you?

Not that you'd have a chance with a Harrier against a Blackadder or those GMLRS rockets. And you'd have a harder time with the GMLRS rockets because the Harrier is not a point-defense platform.

For Aki: I'm not intercepting his missiles, in fact I promised him the killing blow to the fleet in two threads, I have shot down NP's guided rockets, which there is some derision about. The harriers move away, and haha our enemies are defeated, but what is this!? From the sky. I was thinking I may save one of the ships simply because. As for Harriers they are all in the air, I'm just sticking a bit of time in between strikes of Cottish forces simply for ease of posting.

My rockets are likely to be travelling at at least 340 m/s when they reach your fleet. You'd have 1-2 minutes to react upon detecting the launch to intercepting them, and since this coincides with the first Cottish strike (when we detect you mobilizing against them) you'd have 1-2 minutes to just get your Harriers in the air. Even if they were already in the air, you'd only have one to two minutes to do the relevant calculations on your ships, get your harriers into the right vector for launch and at the right speed and distance.

No, if you look back to my post the rockets were launched when we detected your fleet tracking and preparing to mobilize against the Cottish Blackadders. You'd still only have one and a half minutes, but even with your harriers in the air it is still not possible. Aki's described fairly accurately what the damage would be, plus you will probably have widespread fires. Also, you've still got 8 torpedoes targeting 8 of your frigates.

So you're saying all of your Harriers are constantly in the sky, flying in formation? Even then, the rockets are at Mach 1 at least. Seriously, go get a harrier and see if you can shoot them down with 'proximity rockets' with a minute and a half to prepare. The space in between the MLRS and Cottish attacks gives you time to assault my base, so that's why you don't get to choose who sinks your fleet.

Cotland does in fact verify there are enemies behind him in his next post, although this too is minor. But the definition of scramble is "Directing the immediate takeoff of aircraft from a ground alert condition of readiness" as defined by the DOD and NATO. I couldn't tell you the exact time it takes to lift a plane of from a ground condition of readiness, but I bet it's fairly short for a Harrier. I also don't know how long it takes for something in orbit to vector the firing conditions accounting for orbit and curveture and beam them down to 15 different batteries, probably coded as well, and how long it takes to elevate missile tubes and prime missiles and direct attack. And if your were split second on to my warships first mobilization, which for a VTOL would involve warming it's engines, if not done so all ready, which requires so little movement, then I would be equally amazed. I couldn't tell you the exact time, but I'm guessing their not actually all that far from different when all said and done.

Okay, Time-Out!

You stopped to read this post yet?

Yes?

Okay, good.

I just want to make it perfectly crystal clear so that everyone's aware of the timeline here in this thing that I've launched two attacks. The first one, my opening strike, was against Greston's huge (and extremely tempting) Union Square base with 100 000+ soldiers within its perimeter. This attack consisted of very-long-range cruise missiles filled with Northick II (a powerful and long-burning variant of Napalm), penetrating high-explosive warheads against bunkers, and of course the ever amusing VX nerve gas, fired from 1 000 kilometers out, way beyond Greston's coastline and SAM range. This constituted my opening strike, and it is these bombers Waldenburg are giving chase, however futile, to.

Still with me? Good.

Now, we come to my next strike, against Waldenburg's fleet. As I noted in my post, it took place several hours after the opening strike against Greston, about 12 hours or so, and consist of a low-level strike with long-range missiles that I suspect are beyond the range of Waldenburg's arsenal. Waldenburg has already agreed to losing the ships I've targetted (Forrestal, Wasp and the three Sovremennys).

As you can see, there's a 12 hour window between my two seperate attacks.

Picts, I'm not entirely certain of whether your MLRS strike takes place at the same time as my opening strike against Union Square or if it's in conjunction with my own attack on Waldenburg. If it's the former, then you're attacking him on your own and can't rely on immediate Cottish assistance as my own attack won't happen for another 12 hours. If it's the latter then Waldenburg's already pre-occupied enough with the incoming MLRS missiles and the damages they will cause to keep keen eyes out for the incoming 20 Kitsj missiles, something which would make the job for the Cots even easier. Either way, you're going to take some damage Waldenburg. Sorry.

I just thought I'd make that time difference perfectly clear to everyone before this discussion goes any further.

You can continue now.

Everyone stop. Right now, just stop. The missile bombardment happened, they were intercepted, and while it may have been wanky it's not that bad. I would say it's more than acceptable for the purposes of this RP, especially considering the circumstances. All of this bickering over nothing is holding this RP up.

Well said Kargucagistan. I say we just let that rocket issue slide this once as the outcome either way is that Waldenburg loses his fleet, as he himself has agreed to. Let's all concentrate on having a fun RP instead and do just that. Roleplay things instead of throwing OOC accusations and threats at each other. It's much more amusing and rewarding, and makes us look less like hypersensitive douches that are unwilling to lose anything. You give some, you take some, in this case damage. That's how this game is played, and frankly, if you're not willing to do that you may want to find something else to spend your time on.

Well, what are you waiting for? Get posting!

Well this is how the big kids do it. Stats, speeds et cetera are required so that we can develop tactics to counter them and/or RP realistic damage. Of course if I had a few of Waldenburg's supermagic point and shoot harriers, this wouldn't be a problem. Especially the ships, I mean since we don't even know anything about them we don't even know if they're feasible.

Damn, jolt out my more detail message so to some up: No, the real big kids use story, not statistics and tech. I know, i've been doing this for longer than basically everyone in this thread save TSS.
The best RP writting i've ever seen on this site in a war RP involved not one scrap of stat posting.

No problem. If you don't have the time then that's unavoidable.

Sorry.

And especially to my abandoned allies. I'm still cheering for you guys!

Everyone stop. Right now, just stop. The missile bombardment happened, they were intercepted, and while it may have been wanky it's not that bad. I would say it's more than acceptable for the purposes of this RP, especially considering the circumstances. All of this bickering over nothing is holding this RP up.

I like you. Agreed.

I don't know how many times I have to say it but the whole point of doing this is for the STORY. Often you just have to let certain things happen that you otherwise would otherwise this will degrade rapidly in to more than debate.

Well said Kargucagistan. I say we just let that rocket issue slide this once as the outcome either way is that Waldenburg loses his fleet, as he himself has agreed to. Let's all concentrate on having a fun RP instead and do just that. Roleplay things instead of throwing OOC accusations and threats at each other. It's much more amusing and rewarding, and makes us look less like hypersensitive douches that are unwilling to lose anything. You give some, you take some, in this case damage. That's how this game is played, and frankly, if you're not willing to do that you may want to find something else to spend your time on.

Well, what are you waiting for? Get posting!

Can't really, I still need Waldenburg to RP something (to the torpedoes I fired, which you can presume are for your capital ships if your adamant about the whole Harrier-rocket thing) and Greston to reply to your air strike. So I'm essentially just waiting for their move, hence hanging around in this thread.

EDIT: I'm going to be creative with time and post something, if you don't like it, then tough >_>

:D

Jesus Greston! Why didn't you TG me that you have some problems. Hey guys, I think I'm entitled to helping out Gres, he is my vassal and I do have forces stationed in his country.

Fine with me. In fact, makes this more fun. I need somebody to be trying to repulse my landings here shortly and Greston still has yet to post. I would really like to know what I'm looking at in terms of defenses, topography of Greston, troop numbers in the area, and what's between my fleet (approaching from the Nuevo Sea) and Greston. Are there fleets? Minefields?

Also, I intend to attack southern Greston primarily, make a push for the capital or something, so major cities and locations would be nice. Probably won't try and break through the blockade around the Pictish base, though. Looks heavily defended.

Fine with me. In fact, makes this more fun. I need somebody to be trying to repulse my landings here shortly and Greston still has yet to post. I would really like to know what I'm looking at in terms of defenses, topography of Greston, troop numbers in the area, and what's between my fleet (approaching from the Nuevo Sea) and Greston. Are there fleets? Minefields?

Also, I intend to attack southern Greston primarily, make a push for the capital or something, so major cities and locations would be nice. Probably won't try and break through the blockade around the Pictish base, though. Looks heavily defended.

Alright, so I'll just read the OOC thread and the thread made by Waldenburg and I will be up to par with what is currently going on?

Fine with me. In fact, makes this more fun. I need somebody to be trying to repulse my landings here shortly and Greston still has yet to post. I would really like to know what I'm looking at in terms of defenses, topography of Greston, troop numbers in the area, and what's between my fleet (approaching from the Nuevo Sea) and Greston. Are there fleets? Minefields?

Also, I intend to attack southern Greston primarily, make a push for the capital or something, so major cities and locations would be nice. Probably won't try and break through the blockade around the Pictish base, though. Looks heavily defended.

Talost, I've RP-d my forces landing at the base after the Cottish strike that mops up whatever of Waldenburg's fleet is hanging around, so there's nothing there. Feel free to dock up, although it's not a huge harbour so it'll take a couple of days.

Jesus Greston! Why didn't you TG me that you have some problems. Hey guys, I think I'm entitled to helping out Gres, he is my vassal and I do have forces stationed in his country.

*Waldenburger wail* Why does Greston not tell me these things? Ah... Welcome Mal, good to see you again. It is a pleasure gentlemen. NP your post is fine, I would reply to the first cottish strike but Greston may have something up his sleeve. Anyway our cavalry would probably be being riding about and what not, we'll have to see there.

TG back at ya Waldenburg

I've heard a lot of people say they're talking via TGs about this, which is great, but it's leaving some of us out of the loop. I hear Maldorians has millions of men in Greston, which is kind of important. I intend to make a push for the capital, so I need to know what is stationed there and where the capital is.

Waldenburg

Just a couple of things. Firstly, if I'm reading your post correctly, you've got 8,000 marines that made it off your Wasp after it was torpedoed but before the Cottish strike, and made for the Grestonian mainland? If I'm right, a Wasp can only carry about 1,800 non-crew, less with a mechanized unit (I think) and I doubt what with having crossed like 50,000kms of ocean you'd really want to squeeze anymore in, as it might get a bit gay. The amount of marines you could carry in the other ships would be in the hundreds, at most. I presume any crew made it to your frigates (probably had to swim if the marines got all the transport, the poor buggers XD) that were then hit by the Cottish?

Also are the Skjold Class heading towards where your last fleet was?

I originally said they were naval infantry and marines, I think I might have called them just marines this time around, my fault. To me at least Naval Infantry is a specific difference and part of the crew normally. And since their evacuation was ordered before the fleet was so well demolished, that works as well. Also the general need of the Serene Legion to take on any willing actual Imperial Naval units to augment the grab bag of men available to them.

As for the ships they are directed to Kargucagstan and his fleet, and the point where they would meet would suggest based out of one of Greston's little islands, again by treaty.

All y'all look like you need to take a chill pill. Also, why is this 10 pages? XD learn the value of fashionable delays in posting.

Anyways, where exactly do we stand?

EDIT:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13695184#post13695184
See this? This is 49 posts. See the number on my post? That's 147. Learn something from that, namely let's RP and not just OOC whine :p

<.< Still awaiting a response to my bombers Waldenburg.

edit: and i'll be posting something else, soon.

Yeah, I'm very sorry there are so many of you and so little time at this time of year, tonight I should be able to catch up and respond to everything (hopefully)

EDIT And it would be really helpful if Havenite\Allied Forces assembled a list of who is the war so far, some just make one post in say the previous IC thread promising support, or jumps in with what looks like a declaration of war but may just be a damning note ect. This would make it much easier on this end to keep track of things.

As requested.

Allied/Havenic side:
Nova Pictavia
Akimonad
No Endorse
Kampfers
Kargucagstan
Cotland
Praetonia
The Silver Sky
Aralonia
Tyrandis
Mondoth
The World Soviet Party
Hyrvinia
Anagonia
Kirav

Mediterranican Side:
Waldenburg 2
Aschenhyrst
British Londinium
Greston
Maldorians
West Ponente

Neutrals:
Theoroshia
Olmedreca
Gataway
North Point
Yallak (?)

Waldenburg,

it would be better if you'd post rather than argue with me. Both times you've pulled something very questionable and basically impossible, I have got on with it and posted ICly. Perhaps you could just return the favour, because I do not know when you are going to finally admit one of my attacks to be successful.

Waldenburg,

it would be better if you'd post rather than argue with me via TG. Both times you've pulled something very questionable and basically impossible, I have got on with it and posted ICly. Perhaps you could just return the favour, because I do not know when you are going to finally admit one of my attacks to be successful.

One of your attacka working.... Have you been keeping score at all?... This is why I have been Tging you, so as not to have to lose my temper. But if you will recall that you took control of my fleet without asking, you sank it without Rping, you declared my Frogmen dead without asking, you have argued every post I have made, and to what purpose? You have committed, at least in my eyes, the Cardinal sin of roleplaying. And you accuse me of not allowing any of your attacks to proceed? Let me list the casualties that were given so far.

Waldenburg:
A dozen ships including a carrier and an Assault ship.
Up to 9,000, but no less than 3,000 men depending on Greston's post
And if you had your way 8,000 Naval Infantry.

Nova Pictavia:
A few rockets

Should I bend over backwards for you too? Arguing by Tg was so much more civil as you questioned everything, and allowed everyone to continue Rping. I would post more but I must rush off now, I'll be back in maybe an hour to pursue the inevitable argument. Good afternoon.

One of your attacka working.... Have you been keeping score at all?... This is why I have been Tging you, so as not to have to lose my temper.

Erm... OK. Didn't get that at all.

But if you will recall that you took control of my fleet without asking,

Don't recall hijacking your fleet at all. If your referring to me moving to after the Cottish sank your fleet, I believed it was best to move on rather that argue over OOC. I even TG-d you asking you to tell me if you had any problems with my post, and you said it was fine.

you sank it without Rping,

No, you told us the Cottish strike took care of it. I just RP-d the existence of wreckage.

declared my Frogmen dead without asking,

You said 36/40 were killed. If you want to RP me attacking the other four then that's fine with me.

you have argued every post I have made, and to what purpose? You have committed, at least in my eyes, the Cardinal sin of roleplaying.

Making it realistic? I actually only argued when others told me your posts weren't possible, and even then I continued the RP with IC posts letting you off with it.

And you accuse me of not allowing any of your attacks to proceed? Let me list the casualties that were given so far.

Those aren't anything to do with my attacks, since you intercepted my rockets + missiles and saved everyone from the ships I torpedoed, alongside not posting anything from my most recent attack. From what I can tell, since 8,000 of your men (somehow) made it ashore and all survived my recent attack, I've only killed around 300, which you've not confirmed or RP-d at all (Around 8,300 is the norm number of crew and your marines aboard the ships I did manage to hit), so I don't know where your 9,000 losses figure came from.

Nova Pictavia:
A few rockets

I actually posted saying that my base "got hit pretty hard" or something, but I didn't know what to post since you ordered your ships to attack after they were sinking by torpedo... This is why detail is important, so I know what exactly it is you're doing.

Should I bend over backwards for you too? Arguing by Tg was so much more civil as you questioned everything

It's better to have it out in the open, where people can see and other players aren't left out of the loop. And again, I continued the RP each time, unlike yourself who has declared you're ignoring my new post completely.

Do you want round 53 now? Maybe we can just find each other and lash it out? Or maybe you could just carry on and post in the IC thread as I have done. Calming down might be a good idea, it's just an RP. I just like things not to be ridiculous, as I've said ER would be a bit funny if the writers just made medicine up as they went, and so I'll continue to question things others who know more about the subject inform me is not possible. Rp-ing is more than just a story, it involves reactions by other players to your part of the story, meaning we need to understand what exactly is going on in order to respond appropriately.

Hope you feel differently when you come back, in which case I hope you have a good afternoon too.

At this point, I would like to make a very sharp distinction between Nukewealth and the other factions involved.

Akimonad
Aralonia
Hyrvinia
Kampfers
Kargucagstan
Mondoth
The World Soviet Party
TheSilverSky
Tyre

If any of you have issue with anything any of those aforementioned nations do, talk to them or you can ring me up via TG. If I didn't trust them entirely, they wouldn't be in Nukewealth, and as such, I'll take responsibility for any crap they do in this thread.

New Pictavia is sort of a provisional member I think, not really sure what exactly is going on there. He's certainly not a member ATM, because acceptance in the middle of an RP would throw this off kilter a bit and be OOC. I don't know Picts that well, but he seems to be a cool guy. He's himself for now though, not gonna take responsibility for someone I hardly know. :3 Picts.

He's certainly allied to Akimonad, which is causis belli for our involvement, though rather weak. But the fact that you guys declared open war on us kinda closes the door to negotiation, as much as I'd hoped my post would crack it back open for you. Can't be ignoring a declaration of war, now can we?

Anyways, there seems to be a lot of animosity going on here, and I'd like to diffuse it right now before it gets out of hand. Nukewealth is not just some LOLHAVEN SMASH group. Anyone who would support such wouldn't be allowed into this alliance. Please cease and desist the rubbish (BL) and put your posts where your mouth are.

I'm afraid putting in docks does not enhance my mood.

You don't recall claiming my entire fleet dead? I said Cottland would get he killing blow but i didn't say how, and I didn't say I didn't have anything to do in the meantime. Well that's all well and fine if it means we can continue but then, you travel backwards in time seven hours and make a post that would completely change the course of events. If your ships come around and steam into the area where my troops are disembarking then they pass in the range of the heavy guns, and everything else we have. I refuse to accept that the outcome has been decided but the course of events are up to you. And if it comes to it, it was Cotland's attack to make, maybe we had a secret pact to actually bomb the Pictish, and Waldenburg and Cottland would sail into the horizon arms linked together. I agreed to Cottland wiping out the fleet, as our defenses would otherwise be occupied.

Originally you proclaimed my Frogmen as dead, in IC. What more is there to say, I was not consulted, they were simply dead, the point that you were talked around to them being of a more upright position, means little. I must also out of speculative interest inquire how your sea mines work?

The Cardinal sin is taking control of a seperate entities units without their previous knowledge and consent. Again, even afterwards though I said it was fine, that version of events was fine? Maybe we should change it now to have Waldenburg completely defeated by one missile that lead ultimately to the destruction of that one fleet. It's fine because you said one of my allies could destroy your fleet, so I thought I could take twelve hours of Roleplaying time to to position my fleets to the most advantageous position is not an acceptable defense in this instance.

Only 8,000 have made it to shore, and maybe 500 at most packed aboard the frigate. The crew of the combined vessels is at least 9,500 not including marines, and attaches, observers ect. See the Tg about the Naval Infantry for general ranting.

I asked why shooting down the rockets was impossible, all you have said so far was, it is impossible, and it is bending the law of physics. I would have changed had you provided thought out evidence, but none was forthcoming, (it may be a little late now however.) although I would still consider it a learning experience and would enjoy it. Why is it impossible and not more improbable than say the NS world in general?

On request by NP a tg sent to Him earlier today:

NO. Absolutely not. I will not allow you first to write the entire action of the day then rewrite it when you have forgotten something, that is not to your liking. At first you claim my entire fleet without rping it out, fine, I agree if we must, but you will not write 12 hours and then grab it back when it is best for you. Read the related posts.

12 hours passed, Cotalnd destroyed the fleet, our men have been moved aground and are moving inland, at least have the decency to keep the same time frame. If your ships move out of port randomly expect them to be sunk, "22 miles from the Pictish base, 8 miles from Greston" you would come in cannon range, not to mention a large amount of other armaments, and come steaming right into our guns. I do not recognize your last post as valid, change the time and remove the naval element and then of course then proceed*, but no, you obligingly gave me 12 hours to evacuate while making no mention of doing anything about it.

Shall I go into the action five hours and call for an orbital strike to annihilate everything? And then the ships can sail on their merry way and not be destroyed, would that be better? That would eliminate a few of our problems. Bomb the naval infantry if you wish (It should be noted that Greston has made no reply, and we should not consider his forces in the area gone,) that is your right.

And if the need be:
Wasp Class: Capable of Carrying 46 CH-46 Sea King Helicopters each capable of carrying 25 troops. That alone is 1150 troops.
Max Speed of Sea King is 163 mph giving it a speed of 2.75 miles a minute. If the Grestonian Coast is 10 miles away that means transit is slightly less than 4 minutes, call it four. Say perhaps it takes 30 minutes to load and unload the the helicopter, which seems to hugely over compensate. At that speed, not counting and water craft at all, we could move move all 8,000 troops a shore in slightly over 4 hours. We could have moved all our troops ashore before your most recent post even comes into effect.

As per your attacks you make no mention of doing anything more than exchanging missiles all afternoon while coincidentally not mentioning any hits. So yes we ashore, and quite a ways in by now. We could retreat in an orderly fashion from our sinking ships.**. If you read my earlier post three ships are registered as torpedoed, two sinking quickly, you made no argument earlier, because it didn't matter to you, it was all your situation.

Now imagine, if you will, if ER had only one writer...."

* Added and then proceed to clarify position.
** Added From our sinking ships to clarify location.


No endorse I have no issue about any member of the Nukewealth joining so far.

Anagonia: Small scale Nukage is fine, and I will respond when this yet again iron's itself out.

I'm afraid putting in docks does not enhance my mood.

Really, calm down. If this is what you're getting out of this, then don't RP. Nobody's forcing you to.

You don't recall claiming my entire fleet dead? I said Cottland would get he killing blow but i didn't say how,

I presumed it was his airstrike, the only thing he directed at your fleet.

and I didn't say I didn't have anything to do in the meantime.

I felt in order to continue RP-ing it was better to just move on to after the Cottish strike. Again I TG-d you and you said it was fine.

Well that's all well and fine if it means we can continue

Then why are you constantly arguing about it?

but then, you travel backwards in time seven hours and make a post that would completely change the course of events. If your ships come around and steam into the area where my troops are disembarking then they pass in the range of the heavy guns, and everything else we have. I refuse to accept that the outcome has been decided but the course of events are up to you.

It isn't based back in time, it's based now. If you want, we can move the strike to wherever you think your forces are now. Perhaps you could have just highlighted this concern instead of ranting over several TGs and posts. Instead of just going "I'm ignoring that completely" you could have simply worked it out.

And if it comes to it, it was Cotland's attack to make, maybe we had a secret pact to actually bomb the Pictish, and Waldenburg and Cottland would sail into the horizon arms linked together. I agreed to Cottland wiping out the fleet, as our defenses would otherwise be occupied.

Sure, go for it. No, really, try it. Either way, Cotland already RP-d the attack on you, and you said he had the killing blow.

Originally you proclaimed my Frogmen as dead, in IC. What more is there to say, I was not consulted, they were simply dead, the point that you were talked around to them being of a more upright position, means little.

I changed it literally a minute after I posted, which you acknowledged, so in order to move on it would be wise to let it go.

I must also out of speculative interest inquire how your sea mines work?

I will get to it when it's not 1:30AM, but I recall asking how you destroyed guided rockets with unguided rockets from Harriers. Needless to say I let that go and moved on with the RP.

The Cardinal sin is taking control of a seperate entities units without their previous knowledge and consent.

What did I take control of.

Again, even afterwards though I said it was fine, that version of events was fine?

If you agree you said it was fine, then it's hardly my fault.

Maybe we should change it now to have Waldenburg completely defeated by one missile that lead ultimately to the destruction of that one fleet.

Dude, it's an RP, chill out?

It's fine because you said one of my allies could destroy your fleet, so I thought I could take twelve hours of Roleplaying time to to position my fleets to the most advantageous position is not an acceptable defense in this instance.

What?

Only 8,000 have made it to shore, and maybe 500 at most packed aboard the frigate. The crew of the combined vessels is at least 9,500 not including marines, and attaches, observers ect. See the Tg about the Naval Infantry for general ranting.

Its not that I don't think you couldn't shuttle back and forth, but that they'd be rather drowned or cripsy by the time you came back. Now, if your saying you've had 1,000 losses, why don't you RP it in the IC thread rather than shouting about it here?

I asked why shooting down the rockets was impossible, all you have said so far was, it is impossible, and it is bending the law of physics. I would have changed had you provided thought out evidence, but none was forthcoming, (it may be a little late now however.) although I would still consider it a learning experience and would enjoy it. Why is it impossible and not more improbable than say the NS world in general?

If you look back, we gave you several reasons why, and you never explained how your actions were possible. If you feel so unjustly wronged by this despite the fact I let you away with it and continued, I suggest you open a topic on the NSDraftroom where the nearest thing NS has to experts will give you decent opinions on the topic.

Really though, round 54 next? Do you actually just want to have a bitch-fight? I'd take a step back just to think about your past couple of OOC posts here, ranting at each other in negative tones is not advancing the RP. I suggest you note your concerns politely, have them addressed and move on! That way we can all continue writing.

If you don't want to continue, then by all means you don't have to! But either do or don't, ranting here wont accomplish anything. That is why I continued to RP despite 'questionable' moves by yourself. Most of what you've just posted is stuff that has been and gone, aside from my recent post. All you had to do was ask if it was indeed set 7 hours ago (despite the fact it wasn't labelled as such) and I would have said "no". If your troops are now somewhere else, I can edit my post, but I based my attack after the location of these troops in your last post. It's not such a crime.

Once again I want to continue with the RP, but it's your move and instead you appear to want to duke it out OOCly. Incidentally, is Greston ever going to post in the war he started? >_>

Really though, round 54 next? Do you actually just want to have a bitch-fight? I'd take a step back just to think about your past couple of OOC posts here, ranting at each other in negative tones is not advancing the RP. I suggest you note your concerns politely, have them addressed and move on! That way we can all continue writing.

If you don't want to continue, then by all means you don't have to! But either do or don't, ranting here wont accomplish anything. That is why I continued to RP despite 'questionable' moves by yourself. Most of what you've just posted is stuff that has been and gone, aside from my recent post. All you had to do was ask if it was indeed set 7 hours ago (despite the fact it wasn't labelled as such) and I would have said "no". If your troops are now somewhere else, I can edit my post, but I based my attack after the location of these troops in your last post. You can't really ask for more.

See I don't think it is going any where to begin with. All this is is bitch fighting and wanking from both sides and I am so fucking confused it isn't funny. The best bet to stop this argueing is rewind for a moment. I noticed after the few events after the Cottish strike everything went down hill. Can't we just restart from there or something and get all the facts straight ahead of time? I need one of my Med guys to summarize what is happening with everyone and a post will be up by me. I am extremely sorry for the delay with my post but I haven't been able to find time to get on lately.

See I don't think it is going any where to begin with. All this is is bitch fighting and wanking from both sides and I am so fucking confused it isn't funny. The best bet to stop this argueing is rewind for a moment. I noticed after the few events after the Cottish strike everything went down hill. Can't we just restart from there or something and get all the facts straight ahead of time? I need one of my Med guys to summarize what is happening with everyone and a post will be up by me. I am extremely sorry for the delay with my post but I haven't been able to find time to get on lately.

Yup, you got it, that's what I'm trying to say. Glad to see you're around too, I thought you'd done a runner.

Because Waldo has seen fit to drag up everything he can, even if it was resolved or we just moved on, I have no idea what the current hold-up is.

RP Plz? o.O

Yup, you got it, that's what I'm trying to say. Glad to see you're around too, I thought you'd done a runner.

Because Waldo has seen fit to drag up everything he can, even if it was resolved or we just moved on, I have no idea what the current hold-up is.

RP Plz? o.O

So would you be up with rewinding and restarting from the Cottish bombing? I read most of the thread and it seems the only posts after that are comminques and what not.

Only 8,000 have made it to shore, and maybe 500 at most packed aboard the frigate. The crew of the combined vessels is at least 9,500 not including marines, and attaches, observers ect. See the Tg about the Naval Infantry for general ranting.

So all, if not most, of your naval crew are marines? Who does the actual work of, you know, running the ship?

I asked why shooting down the rockets was impossible, all you have said so far was, it is impossible, and it is bending the law of physics. I would have changed had you provided thought out evidence, but none was forthcoming, (it may be a little late now however.) although I would still consider it a learning experience and would enjoy it. Why is it impossible and not more improbable than say the NS world in general?

I believe I explained this already in that you could shoot down the rockets but there would be too many of them for it to really matter.

And if the need be:
Wasp Class: Capable of Carrying 46 CH-46 Sea King Helicopters each capable of carrying 25 troops. That alone is 1150 troops.
Max Speed of Sea King is 163 mph giving it a speed of 2.75 miles a minute. If the Grestonian Coast is 10 miles away that means transit is slightly less than 4 minutes, call it four. Say perhaps it takes 30 minutes to load and unload the the helicopter, which seems to hugely over compensate. At that speed, not counting and water craft at all, we could move move all 8,000 troops a shore in slightly over 4 hours. We could have moved all our troops ashore before your most recent post even comes into effect.

Erm, if we're going to be realistic, I have a few issues that would be prevalent in Real Life.

1)163 mph is the Never-Exceed Speed. If you're going that fast you're going to run into the possibility of the whole airframe breaking apart. And with that many runs at a constant speed they would break apart, and quickly. Even then the weight of the troops would slow it down anyway.

2) You just said the Wasp has a marine complement of 1150. Where did the other 6850 come from?

You don't know the half of it Greston.

All of my "well fines" happened after the original IC events, but now you are moving back to change something that was fundamentally unchanged into something favoring you, which would in turn change the final events. All I ask is you remove the naval element, and change the time of the post, to reflect the elements which you represent in your own post. Until then, I will ignore it, for you did not have my consent to post the destruction of my fleet, that was Cotland's domain (Whom I suppose does not wish to link arms and sail into the horizon?) as far as your post made it look my fleet existed until destroyed as agreed upon by Cotland any sallies by yourself would have met with resistance, and changed your casualties.

As for the Proximity rockets there are many ways for them to function (though I must say I don't recall anyone actually asking how they work, but simply telling me it was impossible) , such as the acoustical proximity fuse as used by the Nazi on the X-4 which could register the displacement of air set to a certain weight and or speed. Detonation by sonic boom as it were, if you suggest the draftroom then perhaps it is worth a try, although I have noticed the sentiment in the past that "Because I belong to the draftroom, I am elite" perhaps that was just the feeling I got, and maybe it has past. For the Harriers we have already been over that.

At Aki: Marines and Naval Infantry it said in the original post, if you wish details speak with NP, who should still have that information.

So would you be up with rewinding and restarting from the Cottish bombing? I read most of the thread and it seems the only posts after that are comminques and what not.

Not really, since I don't understand what the problem is now you see and I've had a couple of quality posts in between now and then...

My latest problem was that 90% of Waldenburgs' crewmen were transported to safety in 4 hours of round trips, although since they were waiting for transport on burning and sinking ships I did not understand how they were still alive. Regardless, I just continued the RP with a new post that Waldo's completely ignored, claiming that it's set 7 hours ago. Once again, I never labelled it as such, it's set presently, and I obtained your troops' position from your last post. Since you never said they were anywhere else in the IC thread, that's where I attacked.

Can we move on with the RP now?

You don't know the half of it Greston.

All of my "well fines" happened after the original IC events, but now you are moving back to change something that was fundamentally unchanged into something favoring you, which would in turn change the final events. All I ask is you remove the naval element, and change the time of the post, to reflect the elements which you represent in your own post. Until then, I will ignore it, for you did not have my consent to post the destruction of my fleet, that was Cotland's domain (Whom I suppose does not wish to link arms and sail into the horizon?) as far as your post made it look my fleet existed until destroyed as agreed upon by Cotland any sallies by yourself would have met with resistance, and changed your casualties.

As for the Proximity rockets there are many ways for them to function (though I must say I don't recall anyone actually asking how they work, but simply telling me it was impossible) , such as the acoustical proximity fuse as used by the Nazi on the X-4 which could register the displacement of air set to a certain weight and or speed. Detonation by sonic boom as it were, if you suggest the draftroom then perhaps it is worth a try, although I have noticed the sentiment in the past that "Because I belong to the draftroom, I am elite" perhaps that was just the feeling I got, and maybe it has past. For the Harriers we have already been over that.

Waldo, shoot me a TG about what has happened and maybe we can keep it where it is.

Anagonia: Small scale Nukage is fine, and I will respond when this yet again iron's itself out.

More than likely there will be two more 5Kt Thermonuclear Missiles heading towards any city you choose. I'm leaving the damage up to you, because its funner that way. Basically, you choose what dies and I go along with it, because after all I am invading you, and by right I can't just claim what I hit. My bombing runs will be the same, as with the naval engagements and bombardments once they commence.

I'll take losses, you'll take losses. I look forward to an exciting attempt at a national takeover. Whatever happens, let's have fun!

Also, be aware that the Optics in orbit is a live-feed, constant, and transmits both nighttime and daytime with clarity, like most spy satellites these days. It does NOT tell enemy ships a part, only Allied due to International Friendly or Foe (IFF) signals. So, say it looks at an enemy ship, that image would be saved and therefore have to be investigated by ground crews in Anagonia to determine the threat level. This is basically for Nations that create their own ships and stuff, not warsaw or nato things, because thats already known in the database.

Also, please be aware that ANY ALLIED NATION can use it. If you choose not to, your loss. Just don't godmod it and say "OMG I CAN SEE PEOPLE IN FORESTS". Well, no you can't, and you sure as hell can't see submarines unless their one-hundred feet from the surface. Thats the extent of radar technology these days, basically, and I'm role playing according to what satellites can see. They CAN see heat signals in night-time, and zoom in to the point of getting a license plate number. They CAN'T tell, if its an unknown enemy that Anagonia HAS NO IDEA WHO IT IS, say what that thing is until allied nations or Anagonia's staff compile enough data to determine what it is and what it does.

Concerning the invasion fleet to come. Nodea Rudav, a puppet nation and colony/province in the United Republic, is being used economically to support the invasion force. So if anyone say's I don't have enough money to use it all at once, their right. Like everyone else, I'm using a colonies economy to support a section of the war effort, AND I WILL NOT USE THEIR MILITARY AS THAT WOULD BE UTTER GODMODDING IN A WAR LIKE THIS. I will, however, role play to the point that if anyone argues with my economic support, I will give details and if it is STILL downtrodden I'll reconsider.

Drekamythia, another puppet/colony/province, will support the basic support and resupply roles, and humanitarian aid, since Nodea Rudav's military budget will be entirely concentrated on transporting invasion ships, troops, tanks and ectra.

Anagonia will, therefore, be responsible for the actual taking of damage, and the fleets I send in will be the only fleets I do send in, until numbers are used up. I do have ships not listed, like the Helicopter Carriers, which are used for Invasion Forces. If anyone has a problem with this I'll just send in the rest of my carrier's. Also, basically, I will launch many Tactical Nukes. If anyone launches more than a 5kt nuke, expect the entire Meddy region to be strategically bombarded by nuclear and hydrogen bombs.

Thats just an OOC warning/caution-light. I expect to be nuked, and have already stored enough tactical missiles on my carriers to basically whipe out a small nations population. I won't use them all, and the only ones I plan on using is in Wanderburg, or some other nation that somehow pisses me off...meaning somehow appearing beside my fleet without role playing it. >.>

ANYWHO....peace and good will, let's all have fun. Wanderburg, expect hell, for tonight we dine in nuclear winter and...erm...whats the word?....BLOOD! Haha...yea...if you see any of my posts and their not detailed enough, tell me so I can correct them. I want this to be fair for both of us, so in the end the winner will actually DESERVE it. :P

Okay, this is nuts. This is not good RP. This is not fun. This is not something I particularly want to be involved in. My side is godmodding, the MU isn’t responding. I’m willing to retcon this entire RP right now. If Greston still wants to invade the Pictish base, a new thread would be called for, but this time limited to those that actually have stakes in the matter. Remember, retconning, while frowned upon, is a genuine part of RP and this is a textbook case of ideal use.

Who are the participants ruining the RP. I'll consider the fact that those involved have been arguing relentlessly. This needs to be fun. I'm willing to bet that everyone would like this to come down to a peaceful agreement. If anything, I'm willing to invade the MU alone so I can RP with Wanderburg and properly either get owned or basically win a foothold for myself.

I'm also willing to go along with the retcon suggestion...so long as it warrents it.

Also...who is godmodding? I've kinda been concentrating on keeping my posts legal. Haven't noticed anything beyond...well...the IC thread.

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Nova, talk things out, and stop ranting. Wanderburg, talk things out, stop ranting. Don't make me nuke both of you, then send you to bed! I will! I've done it before!

Damn, jolt out my more detail message so to some up: No, the real big kids use story, not statistics and tech. I know, i've been doing this for longer than basically everyone in this thread save TSS.
The best RP writting i've ever seen on this site in a war RP involved not one scrap of stat posting.

I'm gonna take that as a basic shun right there. I use statistics to show numbers, and to use as a counter for when I'm out of the game. I RP for fun, and for story, and for excitement. I'm honestly gonna say that, caring not how long you've been on here, I've been through the times and changes too. I was on the old board, in November, and I believe April with either this one (due to some kind of screwup) or another nation along those lines. Either way, I agree with ya buddy, but I've gotta tell ya:

Statistics keep things fair and equal for both sides, but its just that...numbers. Its used by the person to calculate his numbers, and when to bow out, or to add more. It gives the other party the achievement of actually destroying said other person numbers, and knowing that things are running smoothly.

I'm not here to argue, just to point out my point of view on things....but hell, I'm an old fart anyway's, and I'm just ranting cause I'm forgotten. :P

Okay, this is nuts. This is not good RP. This is not fun. This is not something I particularly want to be involved in. My side is godmodding, the MU isn’t responding. I’m willing to retcon this entire RP right now. If Greston still wants to invade the Pictish base, a new thread would be called for, but this time limited to those that actually have stakes in the matter. Remember, retconning, while frowned upon, is a genuine part of RP and this is a textbook case of ideal use.

On the MU side I don't think that can be helped much, Anschencryst, or however it's spelled, is battling flood waters, West Ponente was never really on at the best of times and if I'm not terribly mistaken has finals at this time of year. Greston has explained his lack of activity, and seems to be coming in. (I have finals too come to think of it, but in subjects such as German so never mind) So if anyone is going to do any attacking it should be on me, to prevent them the heartache as it were, I'll take you all on!

Anagonia: I don't think anyone has ever been too about finances, really there is plenty about to do pretty much anything, and while we have dossier that gives our economy it takes nothing like our Nations' societal way of life into consideration. In times of trouble, when we get no assistance from the outside world, internally we can peg our currency to eternal salvation, which is one anchor that never runs out. I find no problem is using money from colonies.

I too would agree to retconning, if that is what is required, and makes this situation pass more easily. Though too this situation would prevent such a war, I would greatly enjoy an RP with Anagonia on his terms, win or lose as he puts it. Then I shall bring the soup and parkas. I'll catch up, again, when I get back (fencing competition today, finally take down those city folk)

Lastly I do wish to apologize, not for my position, as I still hold it, but for my incoherency, and though I thought I refrained from such any hard feelings transmitted. Rl and this situation might even have Solomon slashing his hamstrings with razor blades. It was improper of me to let it show through here at all OOC or otherwise, Solomon or not. Np perhaps if we are to continue we should plan it out a bit more as suggested?

Np perhaps if we are to continue we should plan it out a bit more as suggested?

Not necessarily, just if you have a problem, then tell me! I still do not understand the current hold-up, but just giving a quick post about anything you consider to be incorrect at the time would have been a lot better. That way I could respond correctly, and avoid having to retcon it because we're now another three posts down the line. If you're really sore about the fleet thing, I'm sorry, but when I TG-d you and you said it was fine then you can see why I continued.

But the moral of the story is tell me if you think somethings up, or you don't understand something, plainly. All ranting achieved was more ranting and another two pages added on to our already hefty OOC thread. I'm not being cheeky, but something like this would have worked:

[Waldenburg]: Is your post set 7 hours ago?
[Me]: No, it's set now.
[Waldenburg]: My forces would have moved further inland then.
[Me]: I'll edit my post accordingly.

I can easily do so if you want, or we could RP the time-gap during your evacuation.

My side is godmodding

Where?

As I've said, Waldenburg said my "moving forward" post was fine after I TG-d him to make sure, I only RP-d the existence of wreckage since Waldenburg promised his fleet to Cotland's bombing (which he already RP-d), and he is mistaken that I jumped back in time. My most recent post is a direct follow-up from Waldenburg's last, that's where I obtained his troops' position. If it is any different, I had no-way of knowing at the time as it wasn't posted.

I'm gonna take that as a basic shun right there. I use statistics to show numbers, and to use as a counter for when I'm out of the game. I RP for fun, and for story, and for excitement. I'm honestly gonna say that, caring not how long you've been on here, I've been through the times and changes too. I was on the old board, in November, and I believe April with either this one (due to some kind of screwup) or another nation along those lines. Either way, I agree with ya buddy, but I've gotta tell ya:

Statistics keep things fair and equal for both sides, but its just that...numbers. Its used by the person to calculate his numbers, and when to bow out, or to add more. It gives the other party the achievement of actually destroying said other person numbers, and knowing that things are running smoothly.

I'm not here to argue, just to point out my point of view on things....but hell, I'm an old fart anyway's, and I'm just ranting cause I'm forgotten. :P

Me neither, who wants to argue when we are here to have fun?

Your quite right though, but that is numbers your talking about. I agree that you need a good idea of numbers in an RP. Troop quantities, positions etc. When I said statistics were unneccesary I was more specifically refering to posts that are all about technical things when I say.

I know I don't want to sit around and read a post thats all about how missile XXXX is going at mach 5 and then climbs up to 10,000 ft and then accelerates down at mach 7 and it has x, y and z so you can't shoot it down or detect it. etc etc etc

I want to read posts that have characters mocking their foes, describe ships firing out missile XXXX and what they're targeting. How fast said missile goes or how it works, the size of the warhead - all this can be done either VERY breifly or OOC, but isn't really needed.

It may be i'm just a jerk, but because i don't want to read a techfilled post I won't write one. Besides, in my opinion you haven't won anything if you rely on beating your opponent with technical knowledge.

It may be i'm just a jerk, but because i don't want to read a techfilled post I won't write one. Besides, in my opinion you haven't won anything if you rely on beating your opponent with technical knowledge.
But you forget that the usage of various tactics depend on what kind of adversary they're going up against. If you're being attacked by sea-skimming missiles, you don't fire off your ABMs and so on and so forth.

Nova, Waldenburg, stop the frigging arguing over details and start RPing! This constant bantering is getting pretty boring, and I'm starting to concur with Kargucagstan about retconning this thing and starting from scratch if you two don't stop ruining the RP.

Nova, Waldenburg, stop the frigging arguing over details and start RPing! This constant bantering is getting pretty boring, and I'm starting to concur with Kargucagstan about retconning this thing and starting from scratch if you two don't stop ruining the RP.

To be honest, we're really waiting for Greston or someone else who isn't Waldenburg to RP for Mediterranica.

Nova, Waldenburg, stop the frigging arguing over details and start RPing! This constant bantering is getting pretty boring, and I'm starting to concur with Kargucagstan about retconning this thing and starting from scratch if you two don't stop ruining the RP.

I posted a while ago, Waldenburg said he's ignoring it, I want to know what's wrong with it so I can edit it and we can continue, okay? :3

All my last OOC posts are in the effort of trying to get the activity off this thread and into the IC one. It's the same as before, I can't well post until Waldenburg has.

[EDIT: Okay,

I had concerns over Waldenburg's Harrier thing, but I let it go and cintinued RP-ing, I thought his 8,000 survivors number was off, but I've let it go and continued RP-ing. Now, my last post is being ignored, an old post that was already agreed upon is taking flack, and despite everyone going "shut up and RP" I already have but can't well continue if my posts aren't going to go responded to.

As per my past handful of posts in the OOC thread, you will see I have tried to rectify any complaints and get back to the RP, but there seems to be little effort from other parties to help resolve whatever issues they have a quarrel with.

Unless my efforts to resolve whatever is stopping anyone from posting are answered, I don't see much point in continuing. It's not worth the time spent in the OOC, and Greston, who (re)started all this still hasn't posted once in the IC thread. So there it is, either this gets back on the tracks and Wladenburg RPs and Greston starts posting or there's nothing I can do and so I'll back out.

No hard feelings or anything, but this just isn't working out, in case you haven't noticed ;) ]

[I've been invited to participate in this RP by the NukeWealth, although that participation will be strictly and specifically situational. Once you see my IC post, you'll understand.]

Okay, this is nuts. This is not good RP. This is not fun. This is not something I particularly want to be involved in. My side is godmodding, the MU isn’t responding. I’m willing to retcon this entire RP right now. If Greston still wants to invade the Pictish base, a new thread would be called for, but this time limited to those that actually have stakes in the matter. Remember, retconning, while frowned upon, is a genuine part of RP and this is a textbook case of ideal use.

I'd have to agree with this :/ NW guys, you're moving FAST. TOO FAST. Pictavia aside (you and Wald and Grest need to sort things out) we're moving on that island about 4 times faster than we really need to, they need to be able to respond to the fact that we're entering the region, much less moving on the island.

As for the fleet combat, TBH a Forrestal or a Wasp isn't much for an NS fleet to deal with, but there would still be a few losses from the fact that even horribly horribly inefficient and outdated equipment still kills people.

Yally: Yo buddy, wez da old farts wit canes and shitnit....we have da rights to go pimpin our ideas...wez coolz. *thumbs up* I like you, we should have an alliance.

OFFICIAL SUGGESTION
To all Participants of the Meddy Crises

I purpose, for the benefit of this RP, that the starting engagement be between Anagonia and Wanderburg. This way, if a foothold is established by Anagonia, all allied nations against the Meddy Region will have some way of combating with ground forces they would undoubtedly be able to send. However, I also purpose that this crises and war go in stages, so that all participants have the time available to post without compromising time and factors of IRL.

Personally I want to continue my invasion of Wanderburg, this way seeing if it is possible to gain a foothold, or loose a foothold. If one is gained, no one in Meddy has any right to complain either way, and would then have a unified enemy to attack.

Anyways, just a suggestion.

What I drive at NP is the following: The Cottish Attack does not happen for 12 hours, as he himself stated, so when you start moving out at five hours (Or seven hours in the past, from the agreed upon strike time) after and declaring the ships dead at five hours I am distraught. The situation I agreed to is no longer present.

IC Post 46: East Partha, Pictish Sovereign Base, 7:15 hours
36 Kilometres offshore....


IC post 57: East Partha, Pictish Sovereign Base, 12:11 hours....

Now this is between the time where the Pictish fleet enters the area of operations, and when ships begin engaging the landing parties, whatever their numbers. The agreed upon time was twelve hours until the Cottish strike. Admittedly this may be time delayed until sometime after the original attack, and indeed be a total of 12 hours, but then the troops would already be ashore and there would be no means of attacking the landing craft, or indeed really a point. This is my problem, it is 7 hours in the past from the situation I gave consent to, a situation which I had no hand in, at least in the creation. So that is where I am coming from if no one caught that earlier.

Of it helps anyone we would be bombed anyway, so a post will be time warped into the future where the company has been reduced, and is generally scattered? Out as a useful force if that pleases NP.

I again would agree to Anagonia being the main protagonist against me, it would certainly save a lot of time in general, against the multitude.

Gres you have your TG if you didn't notice already.

I beat dem dare city folk! Won a 39'' Katana, and a Spanish American war era cavalry saber, this has improved my mood!

I don't understand where you believe this to be taking place 7 hours before the Cottish strike, but I hope this clears it up.


My fleet arrives at the wreckage of your ships (which you agreed were hit by the Cottish strike) at 7:15 hours or 7:15AM if you prefer.

In the same post, the fleet is then RP-d docking at 11:37 hours, (AM).

Then you post your survivors making it to the beach.

Then in my next post, at 12:11 hours (PM) a patrol spots your survivors, wherever they are (I just took their location from your last post) and a strike force is dispatched. The LCACs are engaged because I presumed them to still be present at the scene, whether they were finished ferrying personnel ashore or not.


As you can see, all of this happens in a straight line, if you will. None of it dots back in time, and is all after the Cottish attack. If your forces have moved on by this point then RP it or tell me here so I can edit my post accordingly.

Either way, Greston still hasn't posted so I've TG-d him asking if he would prefer his theatre of war to start over so he's in it from the beginning.

I don't understand where you believe this to be taking place 7 hours before the Cottish strike, but I hope this clears it up.


My fleet arrives at the wreckage of your ships (which you agreed were hit by the Cottish strike) at 7:15 hours or 7:15AM if you prefer.

In the same post, the fleet is then RP-d docking at 11:37 hours, (AM).

Then you post your survivors making it to the beach.

Then in my next post, at 12:11 hours (PM) a patrol spots your survivors, wherever they are ( I just took their location from your last post) and a strike force is dispatched.


As you can see, all of this happens in a straight line, if you will. None of it dots back in time, and is all after the Cottish attack. If your forces have moved on by this point then RP it or tell me here so I can edit my post accordingly.

Either way, Greston still hasn't posted so I've TG-d him asking if he would prefer his theatre of war to start over so he's in it from the beginning.

And I agreed to that. Now do you want me to make the thread for my part of this coup or would you wish to?

As you can see, there's a 12 hour window between my two seperate attacks.


If this were the case then it would be this line action, starting from the PM's as the Frogmen were planning to arrive at sun down if you recall. This is how it looks to me:
(Approx. and at least an, if not the appropriate time) 7:00PM: Action begins first bombing, Frogmen begin approach.
(See above) 7:04 PM First Missile volley, and opening torpedoes
(See above) 7:07 PM Torpedoes strike
7:10 PM: Waldenburg orders evacuation of Naval Infantry
7:15 PM: Pictish Admiral promises aide is coming.
11:37 PM: Pictish admiral has conversation, base is damaged
12:11 AM: Pictish Naval Elements engagement Waldenburger Transports
7:00 AM: Final destruction of entire Waldenburger fleet.

As said by Cotland and confirmed in your line "Then the Cottish returned, and incinerated the entire sea." This was the part I agreed to, 'Cotland has the killing blow'. However the interdiction of your ships at 12:11 greatly changes the situation, they would need to sail within cannon range of our fleet, which is as intact as I left it as no other detail was given. So we find 7 hours from the final end that patrols are moving through a battle which has been exchanging missile fire. So either your ships slip through somehow turning their backs to the naval battle, (Which takes place at night although that shouldn't really stop you, but it's a point.) and running a gauntlet of enemy fire. It's possible, and I wouldn't find it terribly offensive, but at the time given the fleet is still active, and if this is the way in which we proceed I smell a few easy to kill patrol boats for a destroyer. This entirely changes what I originally agreed to. It is snatching back 7 hours in which case I would also demand that 7 hours back in which to do what I like.

If it is agreeable however, see my last post, that we simply skirt the details, and I post my forces scattered and broken, the bombing would do so anyway, and no editing will be required on your part. But I do not see those patrol ships entering the area as valid without being given the chance to react within the agreed upon time of twelve hours. So hopefully nothing more will be said of this, and we can walk down two different paths which have the same ending, and we can be comfortable in our own versions of fallacy, yes?

Alright, now that I have my post up, I'll give some details. To be specific, there are 36 SSBNs in striking range of the region and a nuclear-armed wolfpack of 72 SSNs to act as a screen. And when I say nuclear-armed, I mean everything; if you happen to stumble into one of my SSNs and decide to attack, expect a nuclear-tipped torp and/or cruise missile back. Similarly, if you happen to stumble into an SSBN and you decide to attack, you'll likely end up destroying it, but keep in mind that if an SSBN doesn't confirm receipt of the next orders update then all the other subs in the fleet will be ordered to commence with the General Regional Suppression, which is a sanitized way of saying regional genocide. Otherwise, I won't get involved unless the situation escalates to a nuclear exchange. Also, keep in mind that the deployment is secret; it was ordered by the Empress and very few people know about it, so there shouldn't by an sub hunting parties from Med nations unless I'm forced to act in defense of my fleet, in which case it'd be fairly obvious to everybody that there's at least one nuclear-armed sub and probably more in the area.

Now, onto the details of what my subs carry. The SSBNs are armed with my Common Nuclear Strike Missile, which is my take on the Supersonic Land Attack Missile. It's powered by an 800Mw open-cycle nuclear reactor with a ramjet sustainer. In this instance the missiles contain twenty-six 450kt nuclear warheads that can be individually delivered. Range at low altitude (1,000ft) is 20,500km with a speed of Mach 3, while range at high altitude (95,000ft) is 180,000km with a speed of Mach 4.3. I'll figure out what my SSNs are carrying later, but assume they're more benign (if that word can be used where nuclear weapons are concerned) standard cruise missiles.

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No, look at my last post, my fleet arrives after your fleet is destroyed by the Cottish, that's why it finds the remains of your ships. Unless of course you were just trying to work around me intercepting your forces at the beach to make it applicable. Although you've got all my AMs and PMs mixed up too XD Say the final destruction was at 7AM, and my fleet arrived at 7.15AM.

But it doesn't matter at all anyway, since Greston has missed so much, he's restarting a thread which will be applicable for all action in the "Grestonian" theatre. The entire war isn't being retconned or anything, just what's happened concerning Greston, and the first few posts are for me and Greston only so we can catch-up with other events such as Waldenburg being invaded and BL's, erm... You know, what ever BL is or isn't doing.

I figure it makes sense since BL has a thread with his war, so there will now be one for the Grestonian front (don't know if you'll open a new thread or stick to the one you've got for the invasion of Waldenburg, but that's your call). Saves us getting too ahead of ourselves as different conflicts are moving at different rates. Agreed?

Also Snipped

In which case your patrols begin moving in less than twelve hours which was against the original agreement, of twelve hours to the Cottish attack. and I would naturally protest. Indeed it no longer matters.

Very well, a seperate thread is acceptable, I would like to stick to mine, as my email confirmations seem entirely random and unpredictable so it would insure the greatest possiblity of me actually getting them, as I've been getting them so far. It would be excellent to keep the one already made. Anagonia I have a post nearly written, and should be up very soon.

In which case your patrols begin moving in less than twelve hours which was against the original agreement, of twelve hours to the Cottish attack. and I would naturally protest. Indeed it no longer matters.

It's after the 12 hours. You get torpedoed, twelve hours later the Cottish bomb you, and then the fleet arrives. It docks several hours later, and then launches an attack on the survivors. As you've said though, it doesn't matter. In the future just read all my posts in the order they're in, which is what I meant them to be, none are leaving any sort of linear timeline.

Very well, a seperate thread is acceptable, I would like to stick to mine, as my email confirmations seem entirely random and unpredictable so it would insure the greatest possiblity of me actually getting them, as I've been getting them so far. It would be excellent to keep the one already made. Anagonia I have a post nearly written, and should be up very soon.

As I said, that's entirely your call. For those involved in Greston, the thread will be up soon, Greston is posting it himself this time ;)

Then perhaps in future giving, day as well as time, with appropriate markings (AM, PM) would be useful, instead of arbitrary numbers. (Or military time of course)

Good, good this will remain the general OOC thread I assume?

Now if some one was watching the Sun International Naval Systems, they would notice I purchased a large amount of submarines, and North Point obligingly provisioned them for me... If you see my point... So about the time your fleets arrive in the Med our neutrally chartered transports will arrive, so trade and warships will begin vanishing or not depending on what you do of course. This will mainly be aimed at Waldenburger enemies of course. Just a heads up if you wish to intercept messages or what have you.

I don't know if you already know (or care), but I always use metric time (i.e. 24 hr time). I'm sure that most of us already do, and I propose that we for the remainder of this RP use this system for distinguishing time, as that would remove any future misunderstandings over this silly AM/PM sillyness that the US has concocted.

Wald, you realize the ships have to be built, which would probably take a year at least, fit, tested, and then you'd have to train the sailors for them.

I doubt it takes a year to travel from Haven to MU so you might, just might, get the ships by the end of the RP, but even then you will probably only be able to operate a few.

Or he could have them on stock, my purchasing them, and in the manner it which I did so really implied quick delivery, what with mentioning to although if we must be certain I'll send him a wire. "To avoid unfortunate incidents the crews will be moved by privately chartered ships from neutral nations, and arrive shortly."

I would assume shortly is, just that, and this order was approved, so I assume it will be at my disposal quickly whatever the ways and means. Post 121 within the Sun International Storefront should the interest strike anyone.

Or he could have them on stock, my purchasing them, and in the manner it which I did so really implied quick delivery, what with mentioning to although if we must be certain I'll send him a wire. "To avoid unfortunate incidents the crews will be moved by privately chartered ships from neutral nations, and arrive shortly."

I would assume shortly is, just that, and this order was approved, so I assume it will be at my disposal quickly whatever the ways and means. Post 121 within the Sun International Storefront should the interest strike anyone.

Nice little EMP.

To explain my other F-111 launching nukes, the Optics would have picked up an SR-71's heat radius instantly, however at the speeds provided it got kinda confuzzeled and didn't relay in time to save the Armada from certain doom. However, prior to the EMP, the second Nuky F-111 was ordered to strike the possible mined area around the Kymeian sea. The Opics would have relayed the origion of the EMP "missile", and would therefore have been sent to Command, who would order a second strike on Wanderburg soil to ensure that another one of these surprised wouldn't come up.

Notice that only one is coming your way, even at supersonic there are ways of detonating it by fire. It is armed, and the second Nuky 5kt will specifically strike between the location of the tip of Wanderburg and near Swidenstan. There it will more than likely take care of anything that the Optics detected as "unnatural"...which could, for all intensive purposes, be just whales.

As a general rule, purchases made while an RP is going on do not arrive until after the RP, unless said RP is excessively long. (thing like WW2 long) It will take Colo about a year to produce those things at the LEAST, and he has none in stock most likely. He's a realistic player, not an NSZOMG player. He's not about to have
60x Type 90 Mako A-class Submarines
100X Jupiter-class Submarines
40X Dallas-class Submarines
just lying about on hand. Heck, I can't think of anyone who would have 200 nuclear submarines handy for a sale, unless they're phasing out an older class.



This thread began on May 10th, your order was on May 13th. Since the "beginning" of this RP, a few IC days have passed at most, maybe an IC week. Even were you to say that your order had been made on the IC day that the thread started, you would still have prolly an IC year at the least before the first delivery. Heck, the Los Angeles, which I believe is what the Dallas is based off of, was 2 years from keel laying to launch, and the Sturgeon (which I believe is the Jupiter) was 3 years from keel to launch. Expect to wait a bit.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=556864

Official thread for the Grestonian Theatre.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=556864

Official thread for the Grestonian Theatre.

If I am successful in the Waldenburg Conflict, am I invited to begin operations there, unless I decide to go elsewhere?

Also, Waldenburg, I keep calling you Wanderburg and I have no idea why...sorry about that!

If I am successful in the Waldenburg Conflict, am I invited to begin operations there, unless I decide to go elsewhere?

Also, Waldenburg, I keep calling you Wanderburg and I have no idea why...sorry about that!

Yes you are. Really everyone who declared war on me/MU in the "When Law Ends Tyranny Begins" thread is allowed into this one as well as people either I or NP invite.

Yally: Yo buddy, wez da old farts wit canes and shitnit....we have da rights to go pimpin our ideas...wez coolz. *thumbs up* I like you, we should have an alliance.

First time anyone's called me Yally...you must different indeed...its a deal!

First time anyone's called me Yally...you must different indeed...its a deal!

Henceforth, I proclaim thee Yally Nukem, after myself, Anny Nukem, whom is the born heir of Duke Nukem, nuker of aliens!

Also Chuck Norris in the somewhere.

Allies we are then! Post in my relations thread.

[Ill be joining for I know greston... any questions direct them to him]

Directed to Volzgrad: Seeing as how we signed that treaty way back when I will allow you in.

Directed to HuTianDi: Same goes for you I guess. Welcome.

I hope you guys don't mind their joining but HTD sent me a TG and then posted here.

Ooh goodness, I once again apologize for people posting before you NP. But really they are just landing or leaving so nothing bad can come of it....

Greston, I'm here now. He invited me, and I needed some practice with my MT skills. I'm always glad to help out a fellow Imperial Republic!

this is rofl

Greston, I'm here now. He invited me, and I needed some practice with my MT skills. I'm always glad to help out a fellow Imperial Republic!

The Imperial Defense Pact (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Diplomacy&action=display&thread=43&page=1#22)

Will our Pact be compromised with this conflict? If so, how can resolve NOT to break it. Your military outpost in my nation is usable by you, and I am using my outpost in your nation.

West Ponente or whoever the Mediterranican Cartographer is:

I don't know if you were the person who added that area that makes up your southern portion. However, here's an image from the archives of the Haven map:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/anomaly149/Haven/14.png
Your map for comparison:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/Mediterranica-3.png
A side by side comparison of the pertinent area:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/853/compareju1.png


I was the Haven Map Cartographer for some time, so spotting such was quite easy. I'm not really all that worried about who did it. However, I would like it removed and replaced. I apologize for any inconvenience that this request will cause, but as a mapmaker I know what exactly it would take to put another peninsula there that's not the one that I or Matt/Questers/Hogsweat drew. (I can't rightly remember TBH) Copying doesn't improve your mapping skills, it damages the artistic unity of your map, and it tends to annoy people.

The Imperial Defense Pact (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Diplomacy&action=display&thread=43&page=1#22)

Will our Pact be compromised with this conflict? If so, how can resolve NOT to break it. Your military outpost in my nation is usable by you, and I am using my outpost in your nation.

Which side are you on?

OOC: Since it doesn't appear that anyone in the Mediterranican alliance can read, I'll throw myself in as well. Oh and Greston: Nice godmod from taking 100,000+ losses. Real smooth.[/sarcasm] Unfortunately, you're SOL.

Now my reusing the Union Square base is in no way a god mode for Picts himself said that everything happening to me was being retconned and being done over. I was unsure about that and I even asked him in a TG if I could use this base and he said I could so go yell at your friend not me. Also may I call foul as well. This is my homeland, I will have naval patrols out their so don't you think it would be a bit godmodish if you can pass through that area with no resistance what so ever?

OOC: Obviously this is the thread for the Grestonian part of the current events unfolding in the Med. This is only open to those already involved and those invited and none else. The first few posts are reserved for me and Picts and I am assuming that the Cottish bombing has been retconned for now so I am using the Union Square base. I am hope I am correct in doing so but if not tell me so that I can edit accordingly. Also I referred to the arrival of Alogorthian troops, Alogor aloud me to do so for we are closely allied but he said himself he sucks at RPing and doesn’t want to get into a war.

But yes, Cotland, you are right in saying that some of the guys can't read for I specifically told all of you in an OOC statement in the thread. And in Greal's case, in TGs. BL and Volzgrad jumped in by themselves and I can't stop that so it isn't my fault.

Which side are you on?

Anagonia is on the oposing side.

Volzgrad: Apart from the Grestonian news bulletins about the Union Square base being loaded up with troops over time which the Cottish intelligence services have intercepted over time like any competent intelligence service, the use of those nice little things called spy satellites, which have been used in the real world since the 1950s have confirmed not only the existance of the base, but also a lot of activity there. Kindly don't go crying about my intelligence service being competent. It isn't my fault you don't know anything about how intelligence services work.

As for the missiles, they're quite realistic, being based on the US Fasthawk/Hyperstrike missile project that's being carried out in RL. As for having no weakness, that isn't quite true, but you'll have to try to find out the weakness by yourself. The missiles are designed to be difficult to intercept. Again, don't go crying. It isn't my fault that you don't know how to respond to an incoming missile attack or that you aren't creative enough to find a way to kill them.

Greston: The missiles are being fired from international waters from 1 000 kilometers away from your base, which isn't located far from Nova Pictavia's colony. It isn't at all unfeasible for my planes to fire them from international airspace and still being able to hit. Of course, I have said nothing about you not having naval patrols and what-not. What I said in my post was that I attacked the base from a position where it was unlikely that any significant enemy patrols were being carried out, as the bulk of the OpFor is located to the south of the Pictish colony.

This is why we put detail in our posts instead of "lulz I sh00t X planez with Y missilz!!!1!1!SHIFT+1!!" If I know that there's a f***ton of enemy ships and aircraft in one area (realistically I would have found out from RORSAT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RORSAT)s and other intelligence gathering means), I'm not going to stroll happily into that area with my stuff. I'll choose another area to engage from where I suspect there to be less if any enemy activity, something which will mean that I increase my chances of successfully carrying out the attack while my forces survive said attack. This, boys and girls(?) is what we call strategy and tactics. If you can't handle it, then you've picked the wrong guys to mess with.

But yes, Cotland, you are right in saying that some of the guys can't read for I specifically told all of you in an OOC statement in the thread. And in Greal's case, in TGs. BL and Volzgrad jumped in by themselves and I can't stop that so it isn't my fault.

You can stop it; you're the OP. Just tell them to leave and if they don't, call the mods.

You can stop it; you're the OP. Just tell them to leave and if they don't, call the mods.

I'm going to tell you kiddies something now, and I hope it sticks:

When you post a thread and you make a rule closing it until such a time as you see fit, you CAN argue the point and make a case against people who ARE NOT ABLE TO READ. The Mods are here to make sure gameplay is fair and equal, and that no heads start exploding at the overuse of verbal sexual jokes.....and to kinda make sure that people like me doesn't nuke everyone in sight by godmodding....

Anyway, seriously, you created the rules, they seemed pretty damn specific, so tell the mods or ask kindly for those people to retcon their posts until such a time as you open it up fully.

I'm going to tell you kiddies something now, and I hope it sticks:

When you post a thread and you make a rule closing it until such a time as you see fit, you CAN argue the point and make a case against people who ARE NOT ABLE TO READ. The Mods are here to make sure gameplay is fair and equal, and that no heads start exploding at the overuse of verbal sexual jokes.....and to kinda make sure that people like me doesn't nuke everyone in sight by godmodding....

Anyway, seriously, you created the rules, they seemed pretty damn specific, so tell the mods or ask kindly for those people to retcon their posts until such a time as you open it up fully.

I'd love to do that but then Cotland would get all pissy again and call me a god modder for making people listen to the rules I specifically laid out. Also the bases are located at the Northern most Grestonian island that borders Oikoidia.

Map (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/Mediterranica-3.png) for reference.

I'd love to do that but then Cotland would get all pissy again and call me a god modder for making people listen to the rules I specifically laid out. Also the bases are located at the Northern most Grestonian island that borders Oikoidia.

Map (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/Mediterranica-3.png) for reference.

You wouldn't be godmodding, sheesh. Its between you and NP. Anyways, I'm stayin out of it.

You wouldn't be godmodding, sheesh. Its between you and NP. Anyways, I'm stayin out of it.

Good, I made a post in Moderation and all of the posts other than mine will be deleted. So Greal/Volzgrad/BL/Cotland save your posts and post them after it is officially made open to you guys.

Wait, why am I suddenly not permitted in the thread? I have just as much right to help my ally as the next member of my region, especially since I participated in the previous thread.

West Ponente or whoever the Mediterranican Cartographer is:

I don't know if you were the person who added that area that makes up your southern portion. However, here's an image from the archives of the Haven map:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/anomaly149/Haven/14.png
Your map for comparison:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/Mediterranica-3.png
A side by side comparison of the pertinent area:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/853/compareju1.png


I was the Haven Map Cartographer for some time, so spotting such was quite easy. I'm not really all that worried about who did it. However, I would like it removed and replaced. I apologize for any inconvenience that this request will cause, but as a mapmaker I know what exactly it would take to put another peninsula there that's not the one that I or Matt/Questers/Hogsweat drew. (I can't rightly remember TBH) Copying doesn't improve your mapping skills, it damages the artistic unity of your map, and it tends to annoy people.

why do all seem to ignore this?

I want to help out... humanitarian aid for civilians and that jazz, you know, only things Brittonia would get involved in...

why do all seem to ignore this?

We're working on fixing it, but we presently lack a mapmaker. In the mean time, our apologies.

why do all seem to ignore this?

Well I for one can't do anything about it, I can barely turn my computer on with the first press let alone do anything about a map (Maybe a big eraser spot), other than apologize, I must say I never noticed, but then again I never looked. As for the rest of the Med. we are still suffering from the same problems as why we have not posted before, real life attacking us.

Yallak could of course strike the entire map from the boards, but other than that I do not know of his skill with Photoshop. West Ponete, if he were active much could do something, but due to the situation, well it raises a few questions in general...

Until the point where someone competent can come and help, all I can do is again apologize, and especially after looking at the Haven map, it must have taken weeks of meditation to prepare not to mention actually make. I'll do some browbeating, but again they can only be when they can be on. If you wish we could strike the entire map until it is rectafied, but that seems to be taking it a bit much.

New Brittonia: I can't but help feel that I had a branch of the Church in your country? Do you remember, I just have an inkling but maybe? If you had an embassy thread I probably hit it up an some point, that could be a way in.

Will I be able to help?

New Brittonia: I can't but help feel that I had a branch of the Church in your country? Do you remember, I just have an inkling but maybe? If you had an embassy thread I probably hit it up an some point, that could be a way in.

Well. . . uhhh. . . I'm just planning my new embassy thread right now. Anyways, we have freedom of religion so you don't have to ask for government approval for a church to be set up, you just have to make sure that the land you buy is properly zoned.

.... editing a map is not hard, guys. Olm in fact has a lovely previous version of the map I'm sure he'd love to give you. Whoever did it, please remove it.

:/ honestly, all this ass covering on all fronts is unnecessary, as I don't care who did it. Just fix it.

That map's been a work in progress since 2003. I know the person who originally drew it by hand, scanned it, and then touched it up in Photoshop. Admittedly the part that was ripped wasn't his creation, but the point still stands.

Wait, why am I suddenly not permitted in the thread? I have just as much right to help my ally as the next member of my region, especially since I participated in the previous thread.

I believe you are, you just need to wait for NP to post.

On another note, Greston has invited me, but I'll not be in there in massive numbers - 125,000 men is the maximum I'm sending (a defensive field army who'll be fortifying Greston to the hilt and assisting in manning mobile defenses).

Hey, can someone tell me if I am allowed or not?

Tg has been sent to Olm. Requesting old map to be returned.

BAH, HERE'S MY INTERPERATION OF THINGS:

The beginning of the thread for Greston states specifically that he wants Himself and Nova to sort things out first, but it also ADDS that everyone who was participating earlier in the thread is allowed to enter, either by telegramming Greston or by default. I, for one, since I was a participant, am allowed when him and NP sort things out.

I believe that goes for everyone who is participating, or has participated. The old thread is now between me and Waldenburg, and my attempt to take over the Med Union my way. So you guy's might want to concentrate there or risk loosing a foothold, soon. Either way, its kinda between me adn Waldenburg since everyone seemed to leave.

As for the Greston Thread, I believe that if you participated earlier, your allowed to enter, so long as you let NP and Greston post FIRST and THEN tell you its OKAY TO POST.

Thats my interpretation of it.

That map's been a work in progress since 2003. I know the person who originally drew it by hand, scanned it, and then touched it up in Photoshop. Admittedly the part that was ripped wasn't his creation, but the point still stands.
How is Edolia, by the way? They ever on? I must say I've never seen him/her.

How is Edolia, by the way? They ever on? I must say I've never seen him/her.

Last I talked to him he was anticipating an exchange trip to Taiwan, but that was last year. Been I while since I've seen him myself.

I believe you are, you just need to wait for NP to post.

On another note, Greston has invited me, but I'll not be in there in massive numbers - 125,000 men is the maximum I'm sending (a defensive field army who'll be fortifying Greston to the hilt and assisting in manning mobile defenses).

Quite. Let Picts and Gresron finish.

Also Barronia sure you want to face off against Aki, a UFAN member?

Quite. Let Picts and Gresron finish.

Also Barronia sure you want to face off against Aki, a UFAN member?

I thought the UFAN was dead. And what Anagonia said is quite true.

I thought the UFAN was dead.

I don't really consider it dead. Regardless, I still hold amicable relations with most UFAN members.

Wow, Aki, totally not a dick move in Fitzrovia...

Last I talked to him he was anticipating an exchange trip to Taiwan, but that was last year. Been I while since I've seen him myself.

Too bad he didn't come to see me in Taichung.

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How many IC threads are there involved with the crises?

I prefer a fight to "I WILL BLOCKADE YOU" and then shortly afterwards "o nvm". Especially since I made a grand total of one post in between the two.

In the future, don't waste my time.

How many IC threads are there involved with the crises?

Three that I know of; the Waldenburger Theatre, the Grestonian Front, and the Reclaimation of Fitzrovia in BL.

Also Waldo please resend me that list. Thank you.

British Londinium, you can't just remove a post because you find out it could lead to bad things. Akimond was talking to you on AIM and told you it would be likely an invasion would occur so you removed your counter attack on his city.

That is a complete case of metagaming.

I think he got afraid that I got involved.

Na, just kidding!

British Londinium, you can't just remove a post because you find out it could lead to bad things. Akimond was talking to you on AIM and told you it would be likely an invasion would occur so you removed your counter attack on his city.

That is a complete case of metagaming.

Ok, then...

Besides the fact that he didn't have any objections to it, and I had explained to him that I don't have the time for a Haven gangbang which I wasn't expecting; I would have only barely been able to fit in a small-scale war into my time schedule. Yes, it's bad form, but meh.

Besides the fact that he didn't have any objections to it, and I had explained to him that I don't have the time for a Haven gangbang which I wasn't expecting; I would have only barely been able to fit in a small-scale war into my time schedule. Yes, it's bad form, but meh.

How could you not expect a "Havenic gangbang"? This has been one from the get-go. You knew damn well you were sticking your finger in the fire. Own up to it for once.

Alright, so this rapid change in events with British Londinium is a bit annoying. Indeed, this almost reminded me of BL's last war thread, and his reasoning for quitting the RP:

OOC: I hate to do this, but some unexpected things have come up that render me unable to devote the proper time to this RP. I'd ask that people respect the ceasefire, and not accuse me of weasling out of an invasion; rest assured that in the future, I will continue to act in a manner worthy of attack. So sorry to this involved.

Now as I understand it, the issue with BL being gone for a month was a real issue (as I'm informed by Akimonad), so I won't debate about that.

However the "I will continue to act in a manner worthy of attack" part doesn't seem to have applied. I mean, indeed the Londinians have acted in a manner deserving of attack, but they would appear to have backed down from war twice in two days' time.

Now, when BL had posted about launching a massive artillery barrage on Fitzrovia prior to demanding reparations for damages caused by Aki's accidental attack, I don't see how he could assume that major nations would not soon get involved against him. And as I understand it, the fact that he would get involved in a major conflict did not appeal to him, which was his reason for removing the retaliation on Fitzrovia.

To be honest, BL should have known that his intention to retake Fitzrovia was likely to result in a major war, and if he did not want such an RP, he probably should not have posted the thread in the first place.

Sorry for my absence this weekend, custody at my dads = no interwebs (sides my phone) = sux0r

I'm back into full swing now though, and here's the evidence:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13702670#post13702670

^^ This is for Greal ^^

Anyways, I'll have a post up no later than tomorrow for you Waldenburg, I hope I can finish it tonight though.

Wow, Aki, totally not a dick move in Fitzrovia...

Wow BL totally not a totally valid move on his part.



Oh, as for those interceptors, they're my special brand of Avro Arrow, rejuvenated with a totally upgraded avionics and weapons package and packing a pair of nuclear J-58s. Mach 3 with endurance measured in.... well, they're nukejets. Let's just say I should scale them to the RP, as original nuke ramjet plans had ICBMs with loiter times measured in months, just circling in the air.

Oh, and please don't try to call techwank on me without reading remotely as extensively as I have in the field :p primary resource is "Avro Arrow: The Story of the Avro Arrow from its Evolution to its Extinction"

Sorry for my absence this weekend, custody at my dads = no interwebs (sides my phone) = sux0r

I'm back into full swing now though, and here's the evidence:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13702670#post13702670

^^ This is for Greal ^^

Anyways, I'll have a post up no later than tomorrow for you Waldenburg, I hope I can finish it tonight though.

*Greal runs to a corner and arms himself with everything he has*

One more theater added........

OOC: Can I join the central mediterranican thread?

[OOC: As the person who drew that part of the map originally, apology accepted, we don't need to press the issue Munchy, evidently a solution is being found and as long as one is found we don't need to press it.

I think I'm going to stay out of his clusterfuck unless someone specifically requests me.]

Wow BL totally not a totally valid move on his part.

Huh? Are you referring to me or BL?

Let's just say I should scale them to the RP, as original nuke ramjet plans had ICBMs with loiter times measured in months, just circling in the air.

Actually you're thinking of the Supersonic Land Attack Missile, which was a cruise missiles. A lot of the tech from that missile (which was a 1950s project) is used in the Tomahawk. I have my own version of SLAM, which is loaded in the SSBNs I've deployed.

As for the loiter time, you're essentially right so long as you remember it was at high altitude and low supersonic. When the missile started its attack run its flight time was drastically reduced. Still, even at top speed your fighter would be capable of mission times measured in single digit days.

I don't really consider it dead. Regardless, I still hold amicable relations with most UFAN members.

Well, it is a pickle. I'm allied with Greston, but also through UFAN to Akimonad. I've never liked Haven (at all) :p but I also happen to know the smackdown that Haven could lay.

That noted, the troops I've sent are specifically mandated for defensive purposes only - their aim is not to push Haven forces off Greston, merely to stop you getting the strategic points - same with the 25,000 men I've send to Waldenburg.

A pickle, indeed. Barronia's not fond of backing down, though we've done it before, and we know that the outnumber factor here is rather substantial. Such a pickle.

HEY BRITISH LONDINIUM

You've still that blockade and line of troops around Fitzrovia, right?

As a general rule, purchases made while an RP is going on do not arrive until after the RP, unless said RP is excessively long. (thing like WW2 long) It will take Colo about a year to produce those things at the LEAST, and he has none in stock most likely. He's a realistic player, not an NSZOMG player.


Actually according to a Tg I just received and includes information that verifys the bit at the bottom of the storefront which says: "Clients must do their own calculations for ordering. Ships are assumed constructed and delivered instantly upon approval of purchase; I don't have enough time to wait a day or two to simulate construction periods."

Right, I checked this thread yesterday but Jolt wouldn't let me post. I was glad to see that being offline for 24 hours still produced ~5 pages of OOC...

Why have a handful of folk posted in the new thread? Did they just post without reading the first couple of lines of the OP?
Fix plz.

I have an exam at Uni tomorrow, so you might have to bare with me time-wise.

Waldenburg: Still, it's a general unspoken RP-ing rule.

Ships are assumed constructed and delivered instantly upon approval of purchase; I don't have enough time to wait a day or two to simulate construction periods."[/I]

That's extremely poor form on his part, then. If ships were available the same day of a post, all of us could pull a 10,000 ship navy out of our asses at any time. Plus, he doesn't have to do anything once the order is confirmed, you're the one that's really waiting.