NationStates Jolt Archive

IC:

Due to recent events regarding armed religious sects we are issuing to the world a call to reason. Cultists are plaguing our lives. Just recently Doublewideville attempted to hold the world at gunpoint with nuclear weapons to force their religion on us, just earlier Christianity and Islam had an all out war, and for a decade we have been waging a war against a cult controlled nation which the world has become bored of hearing about.

After considering these threats and considering the amount of sentient[any being capable of intelligent thought] suffering that has been caused by these mentally ill psychopaths we are asking for you to join an alliance in which to eliminate any dangerous sects and prevent them from casing anymore mass mayhem and suffering. Let the death and destruction that has happened in this decade at the hands of religious fanatics be the last. Let no cultist threaten anyone with nukes or wage a massive and evil crusade again. Let no gun nuts who use the flag of religion to mask their blood lust ever hurt any nation or people again. I ask all nations who want to prevent threats like this from reoccurring to make a stand.

As of this moment we are asking nations to join an alliance which will quell all armed cult and subersive activity around the globe. We're also obligated to announce that as of this moment due to the hostile and imperialistic actions of DoubleWideVille toward South Lizasauria, as of this moment we are at war with DoubleWideVille and a declaration of war will soon be sent.

Rules and regulations are to be discussed at this meeting taking place at Brohmtown between leaders, we invite all leaders who support free will.

Free Mind Alliance members:

South Lizasauria
Pan-Arab Barronia
Yanitaria
Beatus
H-town Tejas
Visayan Peoples
Orbath
Zoingo
Imadstan
Imota
Philippiniada
Mistetopia
Veritaso
Grand World Order
Toori
Somethingsomething
Aniane

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Barronia will stand with those dedicated to crushing the dangerous extremes of the religious.

We will dispatch our Ambassador-General Lucius U. X. Hampton-Windsor to your meeting.

From the Foreign Ministry of Hofscient

Imperium Scientium and the nations of the Empire of Hofkauzern would like to attend the meeting of the Free Mind Alliance. If the rules and regulations that are set up there are compatible with the general ideology of our nations, we, the consuls Zarvur and Schwarzberg of these nations, would join your alliance. Though we will not at this point send military support, let it be known that Imperium Scientium and Hofkauzern support your justified war against these dangerous sects.

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Barronia will stand with those dedicated to crushing the dangerous extremes of the religious.

We will dispatch our Ambassador-General Lucius U. X. Hampton-Windsor to your meeting.

We shall look forward to his arrival. Thank you for joining a righteous cause.

The South Lizasaurian Host Gheoroff Joh Hobel, pulled up a list thus signifiying the initiation of the meeting.

Hobel: Now for the first order of business, what should the first article of the Free Mind code contain? Any suggestions? *looks at the diplomats sent*

"Well, perhaps we should outline the ideals of this organisation - ridding the world of the extremist elements of religion."

We wish to know if it is too late to sign up to attend this meeting.

Signed,
Jim Lange
President,
The Republic of the Beatus

We wish to know if it is too late to sign up to attend this meeting.

Signed,
Jim Lange
President,
The Republic of the Beatus

No it isn't. We will be open to new members as long as our new organization is required.

We have not decided that we will join, but it is probable, and we will be sending someone to discuss the terms of this organization. Actually, Jorgan Von Straiten should be arriving very soon.

Signed,
Jim Lange
President
The Republic of the Beatus

Official Letter From The Desk of The Dictator of Talentay:

Do we have to beleive in "free will" as you mentioned before? If not Talentay will help!


Sincerely,
The Dictator of Talentay
Lord Ragan II

The Black Imperium will not stand for this baffling ignorance! South Lizasauria's attempts to wage war on religions it views as "psychotic" and "dangerous" are no more than hateful propaganda being used to benefit South Lizasauria by removing personal enemies!

The Black Imperium will not tolerate the existence of such a hate spewing alliance and will be forced to take decisive actions should South Lizasauria use this alliance to wage war on any nation it labels as an "enemy" for the way its peoples may practice their religion.

You cannot punish a man for the way he practices his religion no matter what he's done. The Black Imperium stands strong by this belief and will be carefully observing the formation of this alliance.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

The Theocracy of Hachihyaku will only be willing to join the cause against cultists if they cult is of a Islamic nature.

To: Black Imperium
From: The Desk of The Dictator of Talentay

If you do so choose to interfere with this alliance then I will bring my full military power along with my allies military power down on you. If you do not like this alliance then you may simply turn your back. But do not interfere with our plans!

Sinerely,
The Non-mercy Showing Dictator of Talentay
Lord Ragan II

Official Response:

The United Socialist States of Yanitaria would be willing to join, but would like to send our Minister of Foreign Affairs to discuss the alliance charter.

The Black Imperium will not stand for this baffling ignorance! South Lizasauria's attempts to wage war on religions it views as "psychotic" and "dangerous" are no more than hateful propaganda being used to benefit South Lizasauria by removing personal enemies!

The Black Imperium will not tolerate the existence of such a hate spewing alliance and will be forced to take decisive actions should South Lizasauria use this alliance to wage war on any nation it labels as an "enemy" for the way its peoples may practice their religion.

You cannot punish a man for the way he practices his religion no matter what he's done. The Black Imperium stands strong by this belief and will be carefully observing the formation of this alliance.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

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If you attempt to interfere, Lord Der'khain, you will find yourself at the very harsh end of a Nakil main battle tank division.

Do not make the wrong decision, and please, take Doublewideville's current situation to heart.

IC:

To Black Imperium:
This is not merely an attempt to destroy our enemies, it is an attempt to stop sects from threatening the world through use of military force. If you interfere you can anticipate an attack from out armed forces.
South Lizasaurian defense ministry

OOC: LOL "personal enemies", your just posted an IC post, I think "South Lizasauria's rivals" or "South Lizasauria's sworn enemies" would be more fitting. This thread in part is a response to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546821)

To: South Lizasauria

The People's Republic of H-Town Tejas supports wholeheartedly this movement against religious extremism. We need only look back in history: the Crusades, the Taliban, Communist Mississippi, the New True Cross, and at this current threat of DoubleWideville to see the danger posed by these religious extremists.

I will attend this meeting in person.

Presidente Tsuchii Miho, People's Republic of H-Town Tejas

The fact that South Lizasauria and the the nations composing its anti-religious alliance have already replied to my statement with threats of bringing war to my country shows how this is not an alliance meant to benefit the world, but an alliance of trigger happy nations seeking to wreck mayhem on nations because of their religion!

Yes, I mentioned I would take decisive actions should this alliance come to formation. A choice of words well used to draw out your true intents. You could've chosen to interpret my usage of the words "decisive actions" differently. Boycotting the goods of the nations composing the alliance, or ceasing trade with said nations. But you all chose to interpret it as a threat of war.

Because of aforementioned threats we will be stationing the troops of our nation on high alert.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

The fact that South Lizasauria and the the nations composing its anti-religious alliance have already replied to my statement with threats of bringing war to my country shows how this is not an alliance meant to benefit the world, but an alliance of trigger happy nations seeking to wreck mayhem on nations because of their religion!

Yes, I mentioned I would take decisive actions should this alliance come to formation. A choice of words well used to draw out your true intents. You could've chosen to interpret my usage of the words "decisive actions" differently. Boycotting the goods of the nations composing the alliance, or ceasing trade with said nations. But you all chose to interpret it as a threat of war.

Because of aforementioned threats we will be stationing the troops of our nation on high alert.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

You make assumptions that are just wrong. This is not a crusade against religion, it is against fighting in the name of religion. We are not an, "alliance of trigger happy nations seeking to wreck mayhem on nations because of their religion." My nation is greatly religious. We are cracking down on those who use religion to forward they're own twisted goals. They do not truly believe, but twist the words of they're respective religions to further they're goals of chaos, and death. From what I can tell you enjoy your ignorance, so I'll give you some free advice, you should close your mouth, because your precious stupidity is leaking out of it, and when it is all out, it might start leaking ignorance, which seams to be your bread and butter. So, stop talking, and cling to your ignorance, before it deserts you, and you actually have to learn something.

Signed
Jim Lange,
President
The Republic of the Beatus

OOC: right, you do that. We all have militaries at least half the size of your entire population.

So should I send my foreign minister or no, SL?

The fact that South Lizasauria and the the nations composing its anti-religious alliance have already replied to my statement with threats of bringing war to my country shows how this is not an alliance meant to benefit the world, but an alliance of trigger happy nations seeking to wreck mayhem on nations because of their religion!

Yes, I mentioned I would take decisive actions should this alliance come to formation. A choice of words well used to draw out your true intents. You could've chosen to interpret my usage of the words "decisive actions" differently. Boycotting the goods of the nations composing the alliance, or ceasing trade with said nations. But you all chose to interpret it as a threat of war.

Because of aforementioned threats we will be stationing the troops of our nation on high alert.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

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You tread a dangerous path for a nation so small. I suggest more care to be taken in the future, considering your accusations of this alliance.

Qwertyuiland will take no part in forming a new anti-extremist cult or any extremist cult. No country or countries should be world police. No country or countries should be able to regulate the practices, if sensible, of a religion.

Qwertyuiland will take no part in forming a new anti-extremist cult or any extremist cult. No country or countries should be world police. No country or countries should be able to regulate the practices, if sensible, of a religion.

You are completely correct, that is the entire reason we formed this alliance, for a nation, DoubleWideville, has somehow got nuclear weapons into all the nations of the world, and is threatening all those who oppose they're religion with them. That and the recent "Crusades" against Muslim nations, which were started by other nations. This is what this group is about. We are trying to stop people from using religion for they're own twisted goals. Religion is the single greatest cause of war, ever, and if we can stop religious wars, hopefully through diplomacy, than the world can become a much more peaceful place.

OOC: right, you do that. We all have militaries at least half the size of your entire population.

OOC: I find it hilarious how I just pointed out how my nation's intent is not war and you still threaten me with tanks and guns.

You tread a dangerous path for a nation so small. I suggest more care to be taken in the future, considering your accusations of this alliance.

Sometimes one must play all their chips in the gamble to achieve the correct results. Your advice is noted.

OOC: T'is not a threat, little one. It's just that in Nationstates, saying that you are going to take decisive action is like throwing a small rock at a big hungry lion when you are chained to the ground.

It never ends pretty.

OOC: Thread made of Lulz.

You are completely correct, that is the entire reason we formed this alliance, for a nation, DoubleWideville, has somehow got nuclear weapons into all the nations of the world, and is threatening all those who oppose they're religion with them. That and the recent "Crusades" against Muslim nations, which were started by other nations. This is what this group is about. We are trying to stop people from using religion for they're own twisted goals. Religion is the single greatest cause of war, ever, and if we can stop religious wars, hopefully through diplomacy, than the world can become a much more peaceful place.

Your attempts will fail.

You know the terms of our disarmenemt. From the very begining you have inbterfered with the internal policy of the Holy and Righteous Empire of DoubleWideville.

Save yourself the trouble: negotiate with us. Your response clearly shows the wisdom of the leadership of our Great and Glorious nations.

OOC: I find it hilarious how I just pointed out how my nation's intent is not war and you still threaten me with tanks and guns.



Sometimes one must play all their chips in the gamble to achieve the correct results. Your advice is noted.

We wish to sing a Non-Aggression Covenant and pursue closer relations between our two nations.

It is obvious the Atheists wish to kill us all. Let us unite, brother, before they can do so.

Your attempts will fail.

You know the terms of our disarmenemt. From the very begining you have inbterfered with the internal policy of the Holy and Righteous Empire of DoubleWideville.

Save yourself the trouble: negotiate with us. Your response clearly shows the wisdom of the leadership of our Great and Glorious nations.

Your sleeper cells have been found and dealt with due to a large scale mandatory evacuation by our troops, who were armed with Geiger counters, due to the current situation at the Krueger Point Nuclear Facility. Your weapons have been returned, and we would like to tell you that your nations people are no longer welcome here. Thank you.

Signed,
Jim Lange,
President
The Republic of the Beatus

We wish to sing a Non-Aggression Covenant and pursue closer relations between our two nations.

It is obvious the Atheists wish to kill us all. Let us unite, brother, before they can do so.

I will have to discuss this proposal with my brothers who aid me in ruling over my land. You will receive an offical telegram containing our answer soon enough.

I will have to discuss this proposal with my brothers who aid me in ruling over my land. You will receive an offical telegram containing our answer soon enough.

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

Ah, you have taken my advice in ignoring my message, good job. I hope you are happy on your blissful road to ignorance. Have a nice trip.

Signed,
Jim Lange

It is obvious the Atheists wish to kill us all. Let us unite, brother, before they can do so.

Not true. We simply wish for your leaders to be held accountable for their actions. Hand them over, and we'll say no more about it.

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

Ah, you have taken my advice in ignoring my message, good job. I hope you are happy on your blissful road to ignorance. Have a nice trip.

Signed,
Jim Lange

We do not heed the advice of nation's who feel advice is best served with insults toward's the nation's leader. If you truly cared to see us take your advice to heart you'd have been smart enough to avoid disrespecting me.

I believe the words of Orson Scott Card would explain the situation at hand. He said, "If only we were wiser or better people, perhaps the gods would explain to us the mad, unbearable things they do."

Take this to heart my friend. For it is advice I offer, not insolence like you offered me.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

We do not heed the advice of nation's who feel advice is best served with insults toward's the nation's leader. If you truly cared to see us take your advice to heart you'd have been smart enough to avoid disrespecting me.

I believe the words of Orson Scott Card would explain the situation at hand. He said, "If only we were wiser or better people, perhaps the gods would explain to us the mad, unbearable things they do."

Take this to heart my friend. For it is advice I offer, not insolence like you offered me.

Perhaps a little humility is in order here.

As in, you should really show him some. Just what exactly do you propose to do about him insulting you? I mean, seriously, surprise us. The water shooters of weapons that you have are laughable, and the political pressure you exert featherlike.

So, surprise us. Perhaps you may pray for divine intervention. I've heard the FA/15 Cardinal does look like an angel when it's pulling out of a steep dive. Perhaps we may show you some day.

Perhaps a little humility is in order here.

As in, you should really show him some. Just what exactly do you propose to do about him insulting you? I mean, seriously, surprise us. The water shooters of weapons that you have are laughable, and the political pressure you exert featherlike.

So, surprise us. Perhaps you may pray for divine intervention. I've heard the FA/15 Cardinal does look like an angel when it's pulling out of a steep dive. Perhaps we may show you some day.

I intend to do nothing to him. I am not a man who will send ninja assassins after you for insulting me. I will not threaten your people with nuclear war for your disrespectful words towards me. I am not a man who is stupid enough to take such a move that could make me look bad.

And perhaps you will show me these angels of flight someday. Perhaps you too will see my angels of flight someday as well. Or maybe even we will watch them side by side. Only time will tell. For with time brings change. And we all know change is one of the few certainties of this life.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

I intend to do nothing to him. I am not a man who will send ninja assassins after you for insulting me. I will not threaten your people with nuclear war for your disrespectful words towards me. I am not a man who is stupid enough to take such a move that could make me look bad.

And perhaps you will show me these angels of flight someday. Perhaps you too will see my angels of flight someday as well. Or maybe even we will watch them side by side. Only time will tell. For with time brings change. And we all know change is one of the few certainties of this life.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

Perhaps, although we believe in the here and now rather than the eternal, the material rather than the spiritual. Our angel of flight is very much here and now, very much material, along with her weapons.

Perhaps you should be praying that your angels are bulletproof.

Perhaps, although we believe in the here and now rather than the eternal, the material rather than the spiritual. Our angel of flight is very much here and now, very much material, along with her weapons.

Perhaps you should be praying that your angels are bulletproof.

Id of thought you wiser than the rest to threaten me with more fighting. However I was sadly mistaken. Your threats fall on deaf ears, my friend.

The focus of the here and now is such a largely over rated and misused notion. For in the long run you will not go a day without wondering what tomorrow brings. You will not age to 50 and wonder how many more years your body is built to sustain. You will not see the conflict around you and not wonder if your nation will be the next to be set to the flame by that ever burning torch of warfare.

You know the day comes when angels of flight will set fire to your nation's lands. You have seen just as we all have. And just like the rest of us you unknowingly prepare for it.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

Official Federation Diplomatic Communique

To: Free Mind Alliance members

The Federation of Visayan Peoples is one with your sentiments in seeking peace and freedom. It is right for these extremists who hide behind religion to mask their power-hungry schemes be held in check by a multilateral organization. they are a shame upon those who believe in God. we pledge our support to the Alliance and wish to meet with its representatives.

In solidarity,
(Sgd.)Roderic Poca
Chairman, Federation Executive Committee

Id of thought you wiser than the rest to threaten me with more fighting. However I was sadly mistaken. Your threats fall on deaf ears, my friend.

The focus of the here and now is such a largely over rated and misused notion. For in the long run you will not go a day without wondering what tomorrow brings. You will not age to 50 and wonder how many more years your body is built to sustain. You will not see the conflict around you and not wonder if your nation will be the next to be set to the flame by that ever burning torch of warfare.

You know the day comes when angels of flight will set fire to your nation's lands. You have seen just as we all have. And just like the rest of us you unknowingly prepare for it.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

That wasn't a threat, more of a warning. You toe the line already with this organisation and your comrade Doublewideville is on the verge of being turned into glass by two nations and invaded by two others. Indeed, 200 of our finest vessels are now headed for Doublewideville's shores, their mission to capture the leader, who will be brought back for trial.

Perhaps a rethink is in order before you side yourself with that particular nation. Other nations are not so tolerant as we.

One cannot base a successful and proper war from alliances. You and I both know that. Doublewideville is, at the moment. A neutral nation. My cabinet and I have not come to a decision as to how to approach his proposal. However, I can tell you we lean towards rejecting it. As one cannot succeed with an ally who is fighting a losing war.

Also Doublewideville's betrayal of all nations by planting the nuclear weapons in their cities while in a state of neutrality with most of them makes them rather untrustworthy.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

The fact that South Lizasauria and the the nations composing its anti-religious alliance have already replied to my statement with threats of bringing war to my country shows how this is not an alliance meant to benefit the world, but an alliance of trigger happy nations seeking to wreck mayhem on nations because of their religion!

Yes, I mentioned I would take decisive actions should this alliance come to formation. A choice of words well used to draw out your true intents. You could've chosen to interpret my usage of the words "decisive actions" differently. Boycotting the goods of the nations composing the alliance, or ceasing trade with said nations. But you all chose to interpret it as a threat of war.

Because of aforementioned threats we will be stationing the troops of our nation on high alert.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

IC:


To the Black Imperium
On the contrary your nation threatened to take military action first thus making our militant statements self defense.
Hobels of South Lizasauria

We do not heed the advice of nation's who feel advice is best served with insults toward's the nation's leader. If you truly cared to see us take your advice to heart you'd have been smart enough to avoid disrespecting me.

I believe the words of Orson Scott Card would explain the situation at hand. He said, "If only we were wiser or better people, perhaps the gods would explain to us the mad, unbearable things they do."

Take this to heart my friend. For it is advice I offer, not insolence like you offered me.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

I apologize, but the best way to counter stupidity is to reach deep down, grab it by the collar, pull it out, and let the world see it for what it really is. That I learned for a very good friend of my, His Holiness, Edwardo Listless.

Signed,
Jim Lange

OOC: right, you do that. We all have militaries at least half the size of your entire population.

So should I send my foreign minister or no, SL?

OOC: Yes you should unless you have another representative in mind.

To the Black Imperium
On the contrary your nation threatened to take military action first thus making our militant statements self defense.
Hobels of South Lizasauria

Your sadly mistaken my friend. Perhaps you should have read my statement better. I said I would take decisive action. That could be anything from boycotting goods, to war, to blockades. It is nothing in particular however because I do not promise anything on what decisive action I will take. However I can tell you it is most unlikely to be war as my country is still rebuilding from a civil war.


Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

Hobels spoke the words as he wrote them down.

Hobels: Article one:

Section one: Every member of the alliance, supporting free will shall not wage war on the religion itself unless the religion itself in EVERY circumstance is evil and causes only pain. (example:Thuggery)

Section two: Every nation acknowledges that the extremists that twist the words of religions are the enemies and that the religion itself is not, ergo no member shall war on the religion but on the extremists who pervert holy texts to further their causes.


Does that sound good? *looks at representatives*

Your sadly mistaken my friend. Perhaps you should have read my statement better. I said I would take decisive action. That could be anything from boycotting goods, to war, to blockades. It is nothing in particular however because I do not promise anything on what decisive action I will take. However I can tell you it is most unlikely to be war as my country is still rebuilding from a civil war.


Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

Ah, but by those same terms, it could mean military action, you were the one who was not specific. Therefore it is your fault it was misinterpreted as the worst possible situation. No one came blame them for protecting they're people, they had no way of knowing what you meant, so they acted in the manner to best protect they're citizens.

Signed,
Jim Lange

Hobels spoke the words as he wrote them down.

Hobels: Article one: Every member of the alliance, supporting free will shall not wage war on the religion itself unless the religion itself in EVERY circumstance is evil and causes only pain. (example:Thuggery)

Section one: Every nation acknowledges that the extremists that twist the words of religions are the enemies and that the religion itself is not, ergo no member shall war on the religion but on the extremists who pervert holy texts to further their causes.

Does that sound good? *looks at representatives*

Jorgan Von Straiten, who had just walked in before the man started said, "Yes it sounds perfect. It conveys the right message without offending those who worships the religions."

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

Ah, but by those same terms, it could mean military action, you were the one who was not specific. Therefore it is your fault it was misinterpreted as the worst possible situation. No one came blame them for protecting they're people, they had no way of knowing what you meant, so they acted in the manner to best protect they're citizens.

Signed,
Jim Lange

Ah but you see it is all strategy. By being vague and discreet in my intents I was able to draw out the response that would determine the nation's priorities. Had they responded with such a thing like "We will not tolerate your interference" their priorities would be recognized as political. But by first jumping to threats of invasion. Do you understand what i'm saying?

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

Ah but you see it is all strategy. By being vague and discreet in my intents I was able to draw out the response that would determine the nation's priorities. Had they responded with such a thing like "We will not tolerate your interference" their priorities would be recognized as political. But by first jumping to threats of invasion. Do you understand what i'm saying?

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

Yes I do, the first thing that came to they're mind was the protection of they're people. They jumped right to defending they're people, the most noble of all causes, defending human life. So as I see it they did what any caring nation would do.

Signed,
Jim Lange

Hobels spoke the words as he wrote them down.

Hobels: Article one:

Section one: Every member of the alliance, supporting free will shall not wage war on the religion itself unless the religion itself in EVERY circumstance is evil and causes only pain. (example:Thuggery)

Section two: Every nation acknowledges that the extremists that twist the words of religions are the enemies and that the religion itself is not, ergo no member shall war on the religion but on the extremists who pervert holy texts to further their causes.


Does that sound good? *looks at representatives*

Presidente Tsuchii nodded, "Those articles sound fair, it is important to differentiate between a religion and its extremists. However, what of actual action?"

"In my opinion, this alliance should assist all members being attacked by religious fundamentalist powers, and, at its discretion, non-members as well. I believe that aggressive action is only called for in the case of particularly heinous action by the fundamentalists, such as the genocide in the New True Cross that occurred a while back."

Official Government Message

Religion is a very dangerous place to tread, without infringing on peoples rights. However, we have seen religion take it too far, no religion should preach violence and overcome the laws of all people. It is great honor that we announce our intent to send General Richards of the Orbathian Military and Mr. Andrews of the Anti Terrorism Task Force and Minister Jackson, Minister of Foreign Affairs. Should this turn out well, we will join and pledge a great deal of support.

Hobels spoke the words as he wrote them down.

Hobels: Article one:

Section one: Every member of the alliance, supporting free will shall not wage war on the religion itself unless the religion itself in EVERY circumstance is evil and causes only pain. (example:Thuggery)

Section two: Every nation acknowledges that the extremists that twist the words of religions are the enemies and that the religion itself is not, ergo no member shall war on the religion but on the extremists who pervert holy texts to further their causes.


Does that sound good? *looks at representatives*

Citizen Jocelyne Eldegaard, USSY Minister of Foreign Affairs: The USSY would like to see religious extremism ridgedly defined in the first section and or preamble. This way no one can say we are outright religious. I do not think that it's current incarnation captures the message we would like to have.

In further sections, we would like to see efforts made to limit our ability to declare (not wage) war. We feel that this will help our public image.

OOC: Go ahead and add me to the list of members.

Official Government Message

Religion is a very dangerous place to tread, without infringing on peoples rights. However, we have seen religion take it too far, no religion should preach violence and overcome the laws of all people. It is great honor that we announce our intent to send General Richards of the Orbathian Military and Mr. Andrews of the Anti Terrorism Task Force and Minister Jackson, Minister of Foreign Affairs. Should this turn out well, we will join and pledge a great deal of support.

Our delegate is looking forward to meeting your delegate after their help during the rioting and rebellion.

Yes, Citizen Eldegaard is right. Maybe also something about at least attempting diplomacy first, so that we don't come of as a bunch of bloodthirsty lunatics, as certain unnamed nations attempt to paint us as.

Yes, Citizen Eldegaard is right. Maybe also something about at least attempting diplomacy first, so that we don't come of as a bunch of bloodthirsty lunatics, as certain unnamed nations attempt to paint us as.

Indeed, I feel that we should require a minimum of (IC, not RL) 10 days of diplomacy, with a warning that we may (stress on may, we should at least attempt to retain some surprise) attack.

OOC: I am playing WiC, so I am pumped for tactics.

Indeed, I feel that we should require a minimum of (IC, not RL) 10 days of diplomacy, with a warning that we may (stress on may, we should at least attempt to retain some surprise) attack.

OOC: I am playing WiC, so I am pumped for tactics.

That sounds good, and your right we should define "religious extremism" rigidly, otherwise we leave it open to interpretation and at a later time we start arguing about whether we should take action against someone or not, and then someone asks, well what exactly is "religious extremism", and we won't know. It's just better to settle this now.

OOC: THAT'S how you spell it! No matter what spell check kept telling me I was wrong. Fucking vowels

The nations of Hofkauzern and Imperium Scientium have decided to remain as fringe members of your alliance. We will provide the Free Mind Alliance with military and diplomatic aid, but we will not ask the Alliance to support us. In return, we ask to be allowed to not be full members of the alliance. This is for reasons that the Imperium Scientium consul brought up that we shall not mention. However, we still give our full diplomatic, military, and political support to the Alliance's affairs.

--Consul Zarvur of Imperium Scientium

--Consul Friedrich von Schwarzberg of Hofkauzern

The Black Imperium will not stand for this baffling ignorance! South Lizasauria's attempts to wage war on religions it views as "psychotic" and "dangerous" are no more than hateful propaganda being used to benefit South Lizasauria by removing personal enemies!

The Black Imperium will not tolerate the existence of such a hate spewing alliance and will be forced to take decisive actions should South Lizasauria use this alliance to wage war on any nation it labels as an "enemy" for the way its peoples may practice their religion.

You cannot punish a man for the way he practices his religion no matter what he's done. The Black Imperium stands strong by this belief and will be carefully observing the formation of this alliance.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

The United Socialist States of Nosorepazzau wishes to support your cause in this struggle.Though our people are atheist(but we are currently coverting to Wawaism)we deeply believe in the freedom of religon.Right now we hand you political support but if needed we'll lend you economic and military as well.

Icail va Ozzanil,Dicatator of the USSN

Citizen Jocelyne Eldegaard, USSY Minister of Foreign Affairs: The USSY would like to see religious extremism ridgedly defined in the first section and or preamble. This way no one can say we are outright religious. I do not think that it's current incarnation captures the message we would like to have.

In further sections, we would like to see efforts made to limit our ability to declare (not wage) war. We feel that this will help our public image.

OOC: Go ahead and add me to the list of members.



Our delegate is looking forward to meeting your delegate after their help during the rioting and rebellion.

IC:

Hobels: *ahem* *begins writing again and speaking the words written as they come*

Preamble: We the united nations of the Free Mind Alliance, hereby form this coalition to suit the purpose of liquidating the evil, the twisted, and the insane parties who commit the following: twist religions and beliefs for any wrong reason, brainwash, use militant force to get their ends, use religion as an excuse to reach their own goals without regard for others including their members, and those who meddle in international affairs. *cough* Did I miss anything? *looks at the others*

IC:

Hobels: *ahem* *begins writing again and speaking the words written as they come*

Preamble: We the united nations of the Free Mind Alliance, hereby form this coalition to suit the purpose of liquidating the evil, the twisted, and the insane parties who commit the following: twist religions and beliefs for any wrong reason, brainwash, use militant force to get their ends, use religion as an excuse to reach their own goals without regard for others including their members, and those who meddle in international affairs. *cough* Did I miss anything? *looks at the others*

Jorgan Von Straiten: *Rises and speaks* It sounds good for now, we really need to get down to the heart of this, like what actions we are all willing to take, and against who. These need to be defined. *Sits*

Two telegrams were sent out:

To: The Free Mind Alliance

We would wish to join on the fact that more and more radical nations are appearing on the world stage, and a good decent ammount of them are in favor of radical religious practices. If accepted, we shall send a diplomat to the meeting immediatly.

To:Lord Der'khain, Ruler of Darthalia

You play the game of diplomacy well, and while we see your country as being radical, your practice in undertaking the noble and civilized art of diplomacy before war are stunning. We currently do not see you as an enemy, and we wish, for the time, to open up diplomatic talks with your nation. I myself have studied diplomacy for quite a while, and look forward to the future ahead.

Prime Minister Roland J. Massaquine

You play the game of diplomacy well, and while we see your country as being radical, your practice in undertaking the noble and civilized art of diplomacy before war are stunning. We currently do not see you as an enemy, and we wish, for the time, to open up diplomatic talks with your nation. I myself have studied diplomacy for quite a while, and look forward to the future ahead.

Prime Minister Roland J. Massaquine

We are most honored that you hold us in such high esteem. We would be very glad to partake in talks of diplomacy with your nation and eagerly anticipate your reply. Have a good day.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

We are most honored that you hold us in such high esteem. We would be very glad to partake in talks of diplomacy with your nation and eagerly anticipate your reply. Have a good day.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

You did do a good job arguing your point. You certainly do have a way with words. We would also consider discussing diplomacy with your nation. We may not agree on this alliance, but that does not mean we must fight, now does it. We hope you agree with that, and that we may engage in diplomatic talks. I would be glad to go to your nation, and discuss things at length. It would probably be best if it was at your nation, as coming to my nation at this time could be lethal, and would probably triple your chances of getting cancer, as we are experiencing a situation at one of our nuclear power facilities. I am sorry, as I have greatly diverged from the topic at hand. I await your reply.

Signed
Jim Lange,
President of the Beatus

You did do a good job arguing your point. You certainly do have a way with words. We would also consider discussing diplomacy with your nation. We may not agree on this alliance, but that does not mean we must fight, now does it. We hope you agree with that, and that we may engage in diplomatic talks. I would be glad to go to your nation, and discuss things at length. It would probably be best if it was at your nation, as coming to my nation at this time could be lethal, and would probably triple your chances of getting cancer, as we are experiencing a situation at one of our nuclear power facilities. I am sorry, as I have greatly diverged from the topic at hand. I await your reply.

Signed
Jim Lange,
President of the Beatus

I would like to thank you, President Lange, for your kind words. As a nation rebuilding from civil war and constantly growing we are very much interested in creating tight-knit friendships with larger nations early on. Our capital city of Uthenar is currently one of the most quickly developing cities in our nation and so we would be very honored to have you visit our capital and possibly some of the outlying province if you so wish to.

We have heard of the nuclear plight affecting your nation and perhaps a topic we can discuss in your visit. It is no trouble that you come to our nation instead of us going to yours. We can discuss further the details of your visit if you'd like.

I would like to thank you, President Lange, for your kind words. As a nation rebuilding from civil war and constantly growing we are very much interested in creating tight-knit friendships with larger nations early on. Our capital city of Uthenar is currently one of the most quickly developing cities in our nation and so we would be very honored to have you visit our capital and possibly some of the outlying province if you so wish to.

We have heard of the nuclear plight affecting your nation and perhaps a topic we can discuss in your visit. It is no trouble that you come to our nation instead of us going to yours. We can discuss further the details of your visit if you'd like.

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

Yes, let us discuss this further. I have heard that the nation of Zoingo wishes to have diplomatic talks also. I would have no problem if they had a representative at our meeting too. I fell that it would be more convenient, for you, to hold one meeting, instead of two, so as to save time, and so that you wouldn't need to repeat the same things twice.

Signed,
Jim Lange
President
The Republic of the Beatus.

To Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium,

Yes, let us discuss this further. I have heard that the nation of Zoingo wishes to have diplomatic talks also. I would have no problem if they had a representative at our meeting too. I fell that it would be more convenient, for you, to hold one meeting, instead of two, so as to save time, and so that you wouldn't need to repeat the same things twice.

Signed,
Jim Lange
President
The Republic of the Beatus.

A fine idea my friend. It is definitely a more convenient idea to have both of you come at the same time rather than at two different times. We will send both of you telegrams containing details of your arrival, meetings, and departure.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

Official Telegram

We accept the offer of the Black Imperium to sit down and discuss diplomacy. And Zoingo applaudes The Beatus and the Black Imperium to settle their disputes without violence, and as civilized people. Unfortunately, Im sorry to say that I will have to stay in the country, as our nation sees that our closest neighbor might be up to something, so I will have to keep close proximity on them. I would like to propose that the meeting place be changed to the Presidental Palace outside of Canalive City, the capital. I am terribly sorry for any inconvinience, and please understand my situation.

Yours,
Prime Minister Roland J. Massaquine

Mr. Andrews stood. A definition is very, very important. In Orbath, this is our guideline.

Religious Extremists: A group of people under a Religion, claiming supernatural, mystical or divinely-inspired rationale for their beliefs and actions. What differs this from a normal Religion is their actions which often promote hate, and violence, without regard to already established laws. Often these ''extremists'' unite to accomplish a common goal, for example, genocide against another religion.

''It is the violent actions that cause a religion to become an issue and it is well within our rights to end a religion that is deemed a threat. However, just because a group of Christians becomes radical, it does not mean we should condemn the religion as a whole.''

Mr. Andrews paused, taking a sip of water.

''Should this group work out to be favorable, we currently have a large dossier on Religious extremist groups active and formally active in the world. We would be more than happy to share this with members.''

Ambassador Creus made his entrance as discreet as possible. The meeting had already begun and he had run late. His arthritis was giving him trouble again but this meeting was too important to entrust to subordinates as he was reporting directly to the President on this one. He took the empty seat between Von Straiten and Eldegaard and after a quick briefing from an aide who had taken note of the proceedings, stood up and said,

"I apologize to my esteemed colleagues for my tardiness but it seems that years ago my body lost its ability to keep up with me." *chuckles from some listeners* "Anyway, the Preamble, the first Article and the definition of religious extremism are satisfactory as far as the Federation is concerned. However, when we speak of liquidating the evil, the twisted, and the insane parties, do we mean governments or does this definition include other organizations?"

Mr. Andrews stood. A definition is very, very important. In Orbath, this is our guideline.

Religious Extremists: A group of people under a Religion, claiming supernatural, mystical or divinely-inspired rationale for their beliefs and actions. What differs this from a normal Religion is their actions which often promote hate, and violence, without regard to already established laws. Often these ''extremists'' unite to accomplish a common goal, for example, genocide against another religion.

''It is the violent actions that cause a religion to become an issue and it is well within our rights to end a religion that is deemed a threat. However, just because a group of Christians becomes radical, it does not mean we should condemn the religion as a whole.''

Mr. Andrews paused, taking a sip of water.

''Should this group work out to be favorable, we currently have a large dossier on Religious extremist groups active and formally active in the world. We would be more than happy to share this with members.''

Von Straiten rose and said, "That definition is good but I think some tweaking could be done to make it better for this situation. How about this,

Religious Extremism: When a nations, group, or person uses religion to justify they're own, or others violent actions, or goals. These goals, actions include, but are not limited to, murder, genocide, and war.

"We also need to discuss how to deal with religious extremisms, and extremists."

Official Telegram

We accept the offer of the Black Imperium to sit down and discuss diplomacy. And Zoingo applaudes The Beatus and the Black Imperium to settle their disputes without violence, and as civilized people. Unfortunately, Im sorry to say that I will have to stay in the country, as our nation sees that our closest neighbor might be up to something, so I will have to keep close proximity on them. I would like to propose that the meeting place be changed to the Presidental Palace outside of Canalive City, the capital. I am terribly sorry for any inconvinience, and please understand my situation.

Yours,
Prime Minister Roland J. Massaquine

We understand completely your inability to leave your nation due to suspicions of your neighboring country. If it is alright with President Lange we would be more than happy to travel to your nation instead of my own. Of course, if it is not on President Lange's interests to do so we will simply schedule two separate meetings for the both of you with myself.

We're most glad that Zoingo and Beatus are eager to become potential friends for us and we look forward to prosperous negotiations with the both of you.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

Ambassador Creus made his entrance as discreet as possible. The meeting had already begun and he had run late. His arthritis was giving him trouble again but this meeting was too important to entrust to subordinates as he was reporting directly to the President on this one. He took the empty seat between Von Straiten and Eldegaard and after a quick briefing from an aide who had taken note of the proceedings, stood up and said,

"I apologize to my esteemed colleagues for my tardiness but it seems that years ago my body lost its ability to keep up with me." *chuckles from some listeners* "Anyway, the Preamble, the first Article and the definition of religious extremism are satisfactory as far as the Federation is concerned. However, when we speak of liquidating the evil, the twisted, and the insane parties, do we mean governments or does this definition include other organizations?"

Von Straiten said, "Well, in our opinion, it should cover both governments and groups, but that issue has not been discussed by the group at length."

The General stood this time.

''This brings up another important point. Are we to act against governments who are not part of extremism but support it? Or governments that do nothing against extremists in their nations?''

We understand completely your inability to leave your nation due to suspicions of your neighboring country. If it is alright with President Lange we would be more than happy to travel to your nation instead of my own. Of course, if it is not on President Lange's interests to do so we will simply schedule two separate meetings for the both of you with myself.

We're most glad that Zoingo and Beatus are eager to become potential friends for us and we look forward to prosperous negotiations with the both of you.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

ooc: You changed your country name?

We understand completely your inability to leave your nation due to suspicions of your neighboring country. If it is alright with President Lange we would be more than happy to travel to your nation instead of my own. Of course, if it is not on President Lange's interests to do so we will simply schedule two separate meetings for the both of you with myself.

We're most glad that Zoingo and Beatus are eager to become potential friends for us and we look forward to prosperous negotiations with the both of you.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

I would be glad to go to Zoingo, and meet Francis Pierock, of whom Edwardo spoke so highly of. I have not yet had the pleaser to travel there. It will be a good chance for me personally to get better acquainted with our good friend and ally.

Signed,
Jim Lange,
President,
The Republic of the Beatus

The General stood this time.

''This brings up another important point. Are we to act against governments who are not part of extremism but support it? Or governments that do nothing against extremists in their nations?''

Von Straiten said, "Well that is a tough question, I don't think we can really do anything to governments that do nothing to stop extremism, as they really aren't doing anything wrong. We should definitely do something when governments actively support extremism, though."

ooc: You changed your country name?

OOC: No, no. My apologies. Zhaolian is my experiment nation to see how evil a nation can get in NationStates. I had forgotten I was logged in as it when I posted.

I would be glad to go to Zoingo, and meet Francis Pierock, of whom Edwardo spoke so highly of. I have not yet had the pleaser to travel there. It will be a good chance for me personally to get better acquainted with our good friend and ally.

Signed,
Jim Lange,
President,
The Republic of the Beatus

It is settled then. President Lange and I will travel to Zoingo's Capital Canalive City to meet with Francis Pierock and discuss negotiations between our nations as well as international affairs. As for the details, rules, and regulations on our visit I will leave it to Prime Minister Roland J. Massaquine to inform us on such when they are decided upon.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

I would be glad to go to Zoingo, and meet Francis Pierock, of whom Edwardo spoke so highly of. I have not yet had the pleaser to travel there. It will be a good chance for me personally to get better acquainted with our good friend and ally.

Signed,
Jim Lange,
President,
The Republic of the Beatus

Yes, I can highly remember that Francis spoke highly about Edwardo on his visit to The Beatus, whom which Stocklomolvi was also there. But now, he is the head of the Internaitional Ambassador Organization, so I might be able to get him to come to the meeting.

Enclosed is the schedule (This is adressed to The Beatus and The Black Imperium)

The Private Air Liner: Air jet 009, is sheduled to arrive first at The Beatus, and then, The Black Imperium, or one pick up site to not waste time.

Next the Plane will land at Canalive International Airport, at a private section of the airport where a taxi will take you Grand Central Park in the heart of Zoingo's financial sector, where I and possibly Francis will be there. Then we will get into a limo and tour the city's sights.

Then, following the tour, we will board a train to the Presidental Palace on the outskirts of the city, where on the second floor in the deep chamber, the meeting will take place.

Lastly, everyone is invited to the annual State Dinner, dining with Zoingo's Highest society, and granted an audience with the king. Afterwards, we will board a train back to Canalive City, take a taxi, and drop you off at the airport, where the plane will be waiting to take you home.

Yes, I can highly remember that Francis spoke highly about Edwardo on his visit to The Beatus, whom which Stocklomolvi was also there. But now, he is the head of the Internaitional Ambassador Organization, so I might be able to get him to come to the meeting.

Enclosed is the schedule (This is adressed to The Beatus and The Black Imperium)

The Private Air Liner: Air jet 009, is sheduled to arrive first at The Beatus, and then, The Black Imperium, or one pick up site to not waste time.

Next the Plane will land at Canalive International Airport, at a private section of the airport where a taxi will take you Grand Central Park in the heart of Zoingo's financial sector, where I and possibly Francis will be there. Then we will get into a limo and tour the city's sights.

Then, following the tour, we will board a train to the Presidental Palace on the outskirts of the city, where on the second floor in the deep chamber, the meeting will take place.

Lastly, everyone is invited to the annual State Dinner, dining with Zoingo's Highest society, and granted an audience with the king. Afterwards, we will board a train back to Canalive City, take a taxi, and drop you off at the airport, where the plane will be waiting to take you home.

To Zoingo,

I will be waiting at the airport when you arrive.

Signed,
Jim Lange
President
The Republic of the Beatus

[OOC: The sooner we could start this thread the better]

To Zoingo,

I will be waiting at the airport when you arrive.

Signed,
Jim Lange
President
The Republic of the Beatus

[OOC: The sooner we could start this thread the better]

ooc: If its a seperate thread, then I prefer you make it

ooc: If its a seperate thread, then I prefer you make it

[OOC: Done, it is here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546931]

A marvelous plan, Prime Minister Massaquine. I and my brother, a man looking to see the vast world around him while he's still young, will be awaiting the arrival of Air jet 009 at Uthenar First National Airport. I look forward to meeting President Lange, yourself, and Francis Pierock.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

ooc: the thread is up, and the plane should arrive shortly where you are.

Time warp!

Yes, I can highly remember that Francis spoke highly about Edwardo on his visit to The Beatus, whom which Stocklomolvi was also there. But now, he is the head of the Internaitional Ambassador Organization, so I might be able to get him to come to the meeting.

Enclosed is the schedule (This is adressed to The Beatus and The Black Imperium)

The Private Air Liner: Air jet 009, is sheduled to arrive first at The Beatus, and then, The Black Imperium, or one pick up site to not waste time.

Next the Plane will land at Canalive International Airport, at a private section of the airport where a taxi will take you Grand Central Park in the heart of Zoingo's financial sector, where I and possibly Francis will be there. Then we will get into a limo and tour the city's sights.

Then, following the tour, we will board a train to the Presidental Palace on the outskirts of the city, where on the second floor in the deep chamber, the meeting will take place.

Lastly, everyone is invited to the annual State Dinner, dining with Zoingo's Highest society, and granted an audience with the king. Afterwards, we will board a train back to Canalive City, take a taxi, and drop you off at the airport, where the plane will be waiting to take you home.

A marvelous plan, Prime Minister Massaquine. I and my brother, a man looking to see the vast world around him while he's still young, will be awaiting the arrival of Air jet 009 at Uthenar First National Airport. I look forward to meeting President Lange, yourself, and Francis Pierock.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

Von Straiten said, "Well that is a tough question, I don't think we can really do anything to governments that do nothing to stop extremism, as they really aren't doing anything wrong. We should definitely do something when governments actively support extremism, though."

Creus nodded his head meditatively,"Extremism like its evil spawn Terrorism thrives in a vacuum. I believe we would find more governments doing nothing against extremism than governments actively supporting it. If we ignored states who commit this sin of omission we might not be making much of a difference. I propose a more proactive course of action although I recognize that sovereignty must be respected as well."

Creus nodded his head meditatively,"Extremism like its evil spawn Terrorism thrives in a vacuum. I believe we would find more governments doing nothing against extremism than governments actively supporting it. If we ignored states who commit this sin of omission we might not be making much of a difference. I propose a more proactive course of action although I recognize that sovereignty must be respected as well."

Von Straiten smiled, "Well, if the others agree, but it is difficult to take action against they're support of extremism, while at the same time respecting they're sovereignty. Though, we definitely should not take military action against them, as that may only give the government more reason to ignore the extremists, or even begin to support them. It may also enrage the general population, and give the extremists credibility in they're eyes, as they could become the "brave men and woman defending us from the foreign devils." If you understand the point I am attempting to make."

Federation of Visayan Peoples
Committee on Foreign Relations
Permanent Delegation to the Free Minds Alliance

Greetings of Peace!

The Federation expresses its support of the rapproachment between the Black Imperium, Zoingo and the Beatus. Truly this is sign that diplomacy is a much effective tool in international relations than war. We also congratulate the Beatus, who has proven itself worthy of its great leader, for taking a stand against religious extremism while standing for cooperation.

If it is not too late the Federation wishes to join these talks in the interest of peace and goodwill between nations.

In solidarity,
(Sgd.)Leander Creus
Ambassador to the Free Minds Alliance

Von Straiten smiled, "Well, if the others agree, but it is difficult to take action against they're support of extremism, while at the same time respecting they're sovereignty. Though, we definitely should not take military action against them, as that may only give the government more reason to ignore the extremists, or even begin to support them. It may also enrage the general population, and give the extremists credibility in they're eyes, as they could become the "brave men and woman defending us from the foreign devils." If you understand the point I am attempting to make."

Creus:"I understand. It is imperative that no military action be taken against those who fail to prevent extremist attacks. I was suggesting perhaps we would prod them into action by economic incentives and/or diplomatic overtures. Perhaps then it would be they who would take action against extremists."

Creus:"I understand. It is imperative that no military action be taken against those who fail to prevent extremist attacks. I was suggesting perhaps we would prod them into action by economic incentives and/or diplomatic overtures. Perhaps then it would be they who would take action against extremists."

Von Straiten: "That should always be the goal. Any time a situation can be internally by the country that the issue is occurring is the best possible situation. Even if it is not an organization with in a nation, but a national government itself. In that case, we should at least try to get the people to start a revolt, or take action to remove the extremist regime by themselves, but this is only our opinion. Then, if that fails, and economic, and diplomatic intervention, fails, then we take military action. At least this is how my nation feels."

Von Straiten: "That should always be the goal. Any time a situation can be internally by the country that the issue is occurring is the best possible situation. Even if it is not an organization with in a nation, but a national government itself. In that case, we should at least try to get the people to start a revolt, or take action to remove the extremist regime by themselves, but this is only our opinion. Then, if that fails, and economic, and diplomatic intervention, fails, then we take military action. At least this is how my nation feels."

Creus:"I agree on that. This should be our guiding principle. If a country can resolve the situation internally the Alliance should limit itself to assisting the government. However, I am rather uncomfortable in applying this to rogue states. It gives them a lot of leeway to operate seeing as we would have to wait for an insurrection to topple the regime, don't you think? I suggest we go straight to diplomacy."

Creus:"I agree on that. This should be our guiding principle. If a country can resolve the situation internally the Alliance should limit itself to assisting the government. However, I am rather uncomfortable in applying this to rogue states. It gives them a lot of leeway to operate seeing as we would have to wait for an insurrection to topple the regime, don't you think? I suggest we go straight to diplomacy."

Von Straiten: "Or, diplomacy, while we are funding an insurgency, cover all the bases. What do you think about that?"

ooc: Black Imperium, the plane has landed at your airport

Святейшая республика Празиниа
Holy Republic of Prazinia
OFFICIAL STATEMENT

Prazinia is aware of the apostates and liars who use the name of God to spill the blood of innocents due to differences of beliefs regarding the origin of the universe and due to interests of power and wealth. It was written that there shall come many false prophets in the last days, and this is one of several evidences of a prophecy being fulfilled. However we are also aware that many of these followers of distorted Words sit above several reserves of gold, oil and many other valuable resources which plundering would be very conveniently hidden under the guise of an "War on Extremism", another play of puppetry by the hands of Satan himself, the secret emperor of the kingdoms of flesh, the master of all tyrants, the manipulator of powers.

Thus for now the Holy Republic of Prazinia shall remain neutral towards such alliance to avoid being caught in the web of traps and puppet lines of Earthly powers, and shall never accolade the use of extremism as a pretext for annexing lands from other sovereign nations or for sacking the wealth of others, should such action happen.

Finally we commend Beatus for seeking a peaceful resolution of such issues and request all to follow its example, least Satan manipulations shall turn this alliance into another Machine of War and Tyranny.

The General stood once again.

''There are many other approaches we can take before it even leads to hostile action. One of these is simply no delaying with said nation anymore, such as no more trade, deporting civilians and such. Of course, if it is a group rather than a government, this will be ineffective. Another more direct action is a blockade. We can chose which cargo goes in and out of a nation, allowing food and such but eliminating weapons shipments, thus limiting weapons a group or government may get their hands on. A third approach is through the use of special forces soldiers in deniable missions. By using special forces to attack strongholds and weapons caches, we can attack them secretly and directly with minimal force, thus not risking innocent civilians lives. Should the mission fail, we deny any involement, thus saving face. Included in this could be rebellion. Agents could be inserted to provide weapons and training. Of course, if worse comes to worst, we always have regular war. ''

He paused, talking very quietly with the two other Orbathain representatives.

''If spec ops is the way to go, we can provide training and manpower. I propose a joint unit with bases in some of our nations.''

Святейшая республика Празиниа
Holy Republic of Prazinia
OFFICIAL STATEMENT

Prazinia is aware of the apostates and liars who use the name of God to spill the blood of innocents due to differences of beliefs regarding the origin of the universe and due to interests of power and wealth. It was written that there shall come many false prophets in the last days, and this is one of several evidences of a prophecy being fulfilled. However we are also aware that many of these followers of distorted Words sit above several reserves of gold, oil and many other valuable resources which plundering would be very conveniently hidden under the guise of an "War on Extremism", another play of puppetry by the hands of Satan himself, the secret emperor of the kingdoms of flesh, the master of all tyrants, the manipulator of powers.

Thus for now the Holy Republic of Prazinia shall remain neutral towards such alliance to avoid being caught in the web of traps and puppet lines of Earthly powers, and shall never accolade the use of extremism as a pretext for annexing lands from other sovereign nations or for sacking the wealth of others, should such action happen.

Finally we commend Beatus for seeking a peaceful resolution of such issues and request all to follow its example, least Satan manipulations shall turn this alliance into another Machine of War and Tyranny.

To the Holy Republic of Prazinia,

I thank you for your complement. I currently enroute to a diplomatic meeting with other nations, but when that is finished, I would be honored if we could meet, and discuss further relations between our nations.

Signed,
Jim Lange,
President
The Republic of the Beatus

The General stood once again.

''There are many other approaches we can take before it even leads to hostile action. One of these is simply no delaying with said nation anymore, such as no more trade, deporting civilians and such. Of course, if it is a group rather than a government, this will be ineffective. Another more direct action is a blockade. We can chose which cargo goes in and out of a nation, allowing food and such but eliminating weapons shipments, thus limiting weapons a group or government may get their hands on. A third approach is through the use of special forces soldiers in deniable missions. By using special forces to attack strongholds and weapons caches, we can attack them secretly and directly with minimal force, thus not risking innocent civilians lives. Should the mission fail, we deny any involement, thus saving face. Included in this could be rebellion. Agents could be inserted to provide weapons and training. Of course, if worse comes to worst, we always have regular war. ''

He paused, talking very quietly with the two other Orbathain representatives.

''If spec ops is the way to go, we can provide training and manpower. I propose a joint unit with bases in some of our nations.''

Von Straiten: "That is another possibility. Bases within each others nations is a nice idea, but we should not force anyone to host a base if they do not wish to, even if they are a member. Also, the idea of deniable special forces missions is interesting, although, we still should attempt a less aggressive path first."

''Of course, diplomacy is very important, however, extremists often are not willing to reason, though this is not always the case.''

''Of course, diplomacy is very important, however, extremists often are not willing to reason, though this is not always the case.''

Von Straiten: "If they won't listen, than we go to the people. Many will probably not support the extremist regime. We appeal to them, push them to fight to overthrow the oppressive regime, and supply them too."

Von Straiten: "Or, diplomacy, while we are funding an insurgency, cover all the bases. What do you think about that?"

A third approach is through the use of special forces soldiers in deniable missions. By using special forces to attack strongholds and weapons caches, we can attack them secretly and directly with minimal force, thus not risking innocent civilians lives. Should the mission fail, we deny any involement, thus saving face. Included in this could be rebellion. Agents could be inserted to provide weapons and training. Of course, if worse comes to worst, we always have regular war. ''

He paused, talking very quietly with the two other Orbathain representatives.

''If spec ops is the way to go, we can provide training and manpower. I propose a joint unit with bases in some of our nations.''

Eldegaard stood, "The United Socialist States of Yanitaria may or may not have a secret special ops force called "Les Enfants Perdus" (OOC: The Lost Children) that would be perfect for this type of mission. I am not authorized to say whether or not we do, but such a branch, if it existed, would be at our disposal.

Von Straiten: "That is another possibility. Bases within each others nations is a nice idea, but we should not force anyone to host a base if they do not wish to, even if they are a member. Also, the idea of deniable special forces missions is interesting, although, we still should attempt a less aggressive path first."

"The USSY would also have no objections to having a base anywhere in our nation, so long as it isn't among major city centers."

Eldegaard stood, "The United Socialist States of Yanitaria may or may not have a secret special ops force called "Les Enfants Perdus" (OOC: The Lost Children) that would be perfect for this type of mission. I am not authorized to say whether or not we do, but such a branch, if it existed, would be at our disposal.



"The USSY would also have no objections to having a base anywhere in our nation, so long as it isn't among major city centers."

Von Straiten: "I am not privy to military affairs, such as special forces designations, but I have heard tell of such an elite special forces team within my own nation. Hand picked from the orphanages, at the age of five, and rigorously trained, and taught till they are 20 then introduced into service. This is all rumors of course, but there is a money trail, and kids that disappear from orphanages each year, always 5 year olds, but I am getting off topic now. Also, if we are using them for clandestine operations, we should keep the bases secret too, which would mean, they should never be in highly populated areas, if we have them, these bases should never exist in the publics eyes, it all goes back to plausible deniability, not even our leaders should know of they're existence, and only a few in the military, so as to facilitate they're successful operation."

Von Straiten: "I am not privy to military affairs, such as special forces designations, but I have heard tell of such an elite special forces team within my own nation. Hand picked from the orphanages, at the age of five, and rigorously trained, and taught till they are 20 then introduced into service. This is all rumors of course, but there is a money trail, and kids that disappear from orphanages each year, always 5 year olds, but I am getting off topic now. Also, if we are using them for clandestine operations, we should keep the bases secret too, which would mean, they should never be in highly populated areas, if we have them, these bases should never exist in the publics eyes, it all goes back to plausible deniability, not even our leaders should know of they're existence, and only a few in the military, so as to facilitate they're successful operation."

''We currently have two extremely clandestine bases deep within the jungles of Orbath. They are rather tiny, used for the training of special forces and their housing and deployment areas. A third base exists but it contains a more naval aspect.''

''We currently have two extremely clandestine bases deep within the jungles of Orbath. They are rather tiny, used for the training of special forces and their housing and deployment areas. A third base exists but it contains a more naval aspect.''

Von Straiten: "Naval support is necessary too, submarine deployment of special forces troops along the coast, and the like. We have a facility that would be perfect for this type of operation. I can't say much, but it is underground, and well concealed."

"On a side note, perhaps a secret military exercise could be arranged between Yanitarian Marines and Orbathian troops. Our military does not get much jungle training because of our climate.

"Back on topic, the USSY would be willing to offer the use of an abandoned secret submarine base on the island of Lemnos, in Yanitaria's Eastern Thrace province. The base is suitable for 4,000 men and 3 submarines."

(OOC: http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/YanitariaMk3mod1.png for reference.

"On a side note, perhaps a secret military exercise could be arranged between Yanitarian Marines and Orbathian troops. Our military does not get much jungle training because of our climate.

"Back on topic, the USSY would be willing to offer the use of an abandoned secret submarine base on the island of Lemnos, in Yanitaria's Eastern Thrace province. The base is suitable for 4,000 men and 3 submarines."

(OOC: http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/YanitariaMk3mod1.png for reference.

"That would be acceptable. Our special forces could also use some jungle training, as we are even further north than Yanitaria."

[OOC: Nice map, I need one like that for the new region]

''I'd have to get authorization but I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. How about a few months of jungle training with assistance by qualified Orbathain instructors followed by a small war game. Your forces could stage a seaborne invasion perhaps?''

The General finally took his seat and Mr. Andrews stood.

''I appears we've got a basic idea of a definition, some ideas for responses, but how about basic joining requirements and things our nations will pledge to do, for example;''

Mr Andrews passed around a folder.

Joining Requirements

- Nations must be firmly against religious extremism.

- Nations must practice basic human rights.

''I'm quite sure we can add to this part.''

Requirements After Joining

- Provide at least a small number of ''units'' both for special operations and intelligence gathering.

- Share intelligence on current and inactive religious extremists.

- Pledge aid, be it diplomatic or military to nations affected by religious extremists.

- Agree to follow any trade embargoes or sanctions enacted by this alliance.

- Promote diplomatic contact between member nations.

Mr Andrews sat and waited for a response.

''I'd have to get authorization but I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. How about a few months of jungle training with assistance by qualified Orbathain instructors followed by a small war game. Your forces could stage a seaborne invasion perhaps?''

The General finally took his seat and Mr. Andrews stood.

''I appears we've got a basic idea of a definition, some ideas for responses, but how about basic joining requirements and things our nations will pledge to do, for example;''

Mr Andrews passed around a folder.

Joining Requirements

- Nations must be firmly against religious extremism.

- Nations must practice basic human rights.

''I'm quite sure we can add to this part.''

Requirements After Joining

- Provide at least a small number of ''units'' both for special operations and intelligence gathering.

- Share intelligence on current and inactive religious extremists.

- Pledge aid, be it diplomatic or military to nations affected by religious extremists.

- Agree to follow any trade embargoes or sanctions enacted by this alliance.

- Promote diplomatic contact between member nations.

Mr Andrews sat and waited for a response.

"We think that one part of this should be changed, the part about, "Provide at least a small number of ''units'' both for special operations and intelligence gathering." We think it should be "special operations or intelligence gathering," for not all nations are able to maintain special forces, and so that do, are poorly trained and may only serve to bring down the rest. Also, we think that that "basic human rights" human rights be rigidly defined. We are simply trying to plug up any loop holes, and ensure that things are as clear as possible."

"The training and games would be acceptable to us. Our marines are already some of the best in the region, thanks to our large military budget and small military size.

"And as for the requirements, those would be acceptable. Perhaps we should create a special intelligence service to gather intelligence from our intelligence organizations, and conduct FMA Intel Ops."

'' If you would like to provide a broader definition, please be my guest. I was thinking free speech and the like.''


OOC: Yanitaria, do you want to actually RP the war game. RPing the training wold be kind of boring but we could assume the training has taken place and move to the wargame.''

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We will be keeping an eye on this and do hope, for everyones sake, that this does not turn into a witch hunt against religion in general. If it does, we will make sure to take all actions required to safeguard religious freedom in that of ViZion and any allies that become a target of this crusade.

Thank you,

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We will be keeping an eye on this and do hope, for everyones sake, that this does not turn into a witch hunt against religion in general. If it does, we will make sure to take all actions required to safeguard religious freedom in that of ViZion and any allies that become a target of this crusade.

Thank you,

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To ViZion,

We thank you for the warning, and are already building safeguards into the wording of the alliance. We believe with proper, and ridged definitions for terms, and forceful language, we can attempt to prevent this from becoming as you said. Your concern has been noted, and will be considered.

Signed,
Jorgan Von Straiten,
Delegate
The Republic of the Beatus

'' If you would like to provide a broader definition, please be my guest. I was thinking free speech and the like.''

"Were thinking of a definition something like this,

Basic Human Rights: For the purpose of this document, Basic Human Rights shall be defined as the following rights, the right to clean water, the right to proper sanitation facilities, the right to freedom (I.E. no slaves), the right to free speech, the right to an education, the right to freedom of religion, and the right to have a family, which includes children and a wife.

Does this sound acceptable to the rest of you?"

To ViZion,

We thank you for the warning, and are already building safeguards into the wording of the alliance. We believe with proper, and ridged definitions for terms, and forceful language, we can attempt to prevent this from becoming as you said. Your concern has been noted, and will be considered.

Signed,
Jorgan Von Straiten,
Delegate
The Republic of the Beatus
Jorgan Von Straiten,

Thank you. I understand where the basis for this alliance comes from, but it and its members are walking a very fine line. One slip, one loop hole, will cause great problems.

As such, the members, and particularly the leadership, must take great care in installing safeguards and laws that will keep it from becoming a witch hunt against religion in general.

If that is done, this alliance has the potential to become a success - limiting extremist wars. However, again, one miscue will likely end it in a massive ball of fury.

So, again, be careful - for everyones sake.

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Jorgan Von Straiten,

Thank you. I understand where the basis for this alliance comes from, but it and its members are walking a very fine line. One slip, one loop hole, will cause great problems.

As such, the members, and particularly the leadership, must take great care in installing safeguards and laws that will keep it from becoming a witch hunt against religion in general.

If that is done, this alliance has the potential to become a success - limiting extremist wars. However, again, one miscue will likely end it in a massive ball of fury.

So, again, be careful - for everyones sake.

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To ViZion,

We assure you we are, we are rigidly defining any essential term that may be interpreted in different ways. We have a rigid definition of religious extremisms, and are attempting to ensure that this alliance will not be hijacked by crazed dictators, the way that religion itself has. We know it is a fine line we walk, but there is always the risk when you are taking on an enemy, that you may end up just becoming like them. We assure you we will try not to. If you see us slipping, warn us, and if we fail to heed your warning, than by all means, take action to stop us before we begin to cause more harm than good.

Signed,
Jorgan Von Straiten,
Delegate,
The Republic of the Beatus

To ViZion,

We assure you we are, we are rigidly defining any essential term that may be interpreted in different ways. We have a rigid definition of religious extremisms, and are attempting to ensure that this alliance will not be hijacked by crazed dictators, the way that religion itself has. We know it is a fine line we walk, but there is always the risk when you are taking on an enemy, that you may end up just becoming like them. We assure you we will try not to. If you see us slipping, warn us, and if we fail to heed your warning, than by all means, take action to stop us before we begin to cause more harm than good.

Signed,
Jorgan Von Straiten,
Delegate,
The Republic of the Beatus
Jorgan Von Straiten,

Oh, I assure you that if you do begin to slip, and especially if heed is not taking to warnings given, we won't be the only ones taking action. We do like the thought of it, and hope in practice it will be just fine. But, as I said, we will keep an eye on this to make sure no problems arrise and illegal offensives are not staged. None the less, good luck in getting this organization up and running, and running correctly and securely.

Thank you,

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Empire of the Philippiniada
Official Press Release



This Call to arms is supported by a government, religious/cultists extremist beliefs to wage war or create panic/terror is a barbaric and disgraceful way to make themselves known, we will support the government in any way we can to destroy this kind of FALSE beliefs,


Excerpt from a TV Press Conference

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE THRONE OF DAVID

After conservation with both our military and the Ministerial Council and the Council of Laity the following decision has been made:

1) We reqest a Non-Aggression Covenant with the nations of this leauge.

2) We will not surrender our Emperor, King David the II to you.

3) We would like to open negotiations with the Alliance on the following issues

1) removal of our sleeper cells from said nations, with the understanding that the Alliance will "stand down" from their current position

2) If they will stand down, we will solemnly swear to a Universal Non-Aggression Defensive Covenant with the world. This will include:
1) peacefull propogation of the DoubleWidevillian Fundemental Baptism
2) Disarmanent of our sleeper cells and a full "recall" of them
3) reorganization of the Shield and Sword of the Lord to a defensive
configuration
In Return we wil require:

1)Full Amnesty for King David the II
2) Signature of a Non-Aggression Covenant with DoubleWideville
3)All forces currently threatening DoubleWideville pulling back to
previous positions before the current crisis

We also have placed our military in populous areas. If you attack us, you unfortunately will kill many people. I am sure you're not hard hearted butchers.
Imagine killing small children and old ladies..That would be awful.

We are most honored that you hold us in such high esteem. We would be very glad to partake in talks of diplomacy with your nation and eagerly anticipate your reply. Have a good day.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

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Indeed, you have been skilled in the art of diplomacy. You have our admiration, if anything.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE THRONE OF DAVID

After conservation with both our military and the Ministerial Council and the Council of Laity the following decision has been made:

1) We reqest a Non-Aggression Covenant with the nations of this leauge.

2) We will not surrender our Emperor, King David the II to you.

3) We would like to open negotiations with the Alliance on the following issues

1) removal of our sleeper cells from said nations, with the understanding that the Alliance will "stand down" from their current position

2) If they will stand down, we will solemnly swear to a Universal Non-Aggression Defensive Covenant with the world. This will include:
1) peacefull propogation of the DoubleWidevillian Fundemental Baptism
2) Disarmanent of our sleeper cells and a full "recall" of them
3) reorganization of the Shield and Sword of the Lord to a defensive
configuration
In Return we wil require:

1)Full Amnesty for King David the II
2) Signature of a Non-Aggression Covenant with DoubleWideville
3)All forces currently threatening DoubleWideville pulling back to
previous positions before the current crisis

We also have placed our military in populous areas. If you attack us, you unfortunately will kill many people. I am sure you're not hard hearted butchers.
Imagine killing small children and old ladies..That would be awful.

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As opposed to nuclear suitcases. Really. Hand over your emperor, and then we might, just maybe consider granting you an audience.

Our fleet now lies less than 200 miles from your coastline. You have little time left to decide.

Official Communique from the Empire of the Wolf

I full support the efforts of our Barronian friends in crushing the menace of DoubleWideVille. In the highly unlikely event that The Island Empire of Barronia needs assistance in any form in this endeavour, know that the Empire of the Wolf stands ready to aid.

Emperor Ianovich I

Pax Lupum!

Official Communique from the Empire of the Wolf

I full support the efforts of our Barronian friends in crushing the menace of DoubleWideVille. In the highly unlikely event that The Island Empire of Barronia needs assistance in any form in this endeavour, know that the Empire of the Wolf stands ready to aid.

Emperor Ianovich I

Pax Lupum!

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We wholeheartedly thank Emperor Ianovich for his support. Rest assured the "Emperor" David will be brought to trial for his actions.

While The People's Republic of The Ryou Black Islands will not join this allaince, we will aid all Nations against the DoubleWidevilleian Threat by saleing to members of this alliance our MiG-28 "Hesperornis" Intercepters.

and to "King" David: We will not bow before you, We will end your Reign of Terror and make sure you never rise again!

Signed: Rei Nagakishima, Premeir of The People's Republic of The Ryou Black Islands.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE THRONE OF DAVID

After conservation with both our military and the Ministerial Council and the Council of Laity the following decision has been made:

1) We reqest a Non-Aggression Covenant with the nations of this leauge.

2) We will not surrender our Emperor, King David the II to you.

3) We would like to open negotiations with the Alliance on the following issues

1) removal of our sleeper cells from said nations, with the understanding that the Alliance will "stand down" from their current position

2) If they will stand down, we will solemnly swear to a Universal Non-Aggression Defensive Covenant with the world. This will include:
1) peacefull propogation of the DoubleWidevillian Fundemental Baptism
2) Disarmanent of our sleeper cells and a full "recall" of them
3) reorganization of the Shield and Sword of the Lord to a defensive
configuration
In Return we wil require:

1)Full Amnesty for King David the II
2) Signature of a Non-Aggression Covenant with DoubleWideville
3)All forces currently threatening DoubleWideville pulling back to
previous positions before the current crisis

We also have placed our military in populous areas. If you attack us, you unfortunately will kill many people. I am sure you're not hard hearted butchers.
Imagine killing small children and old ladies..That would be awful.


At this present time, we are not yet a fully established group and therefore cannot respond as a whole. While we in Orbath applaud your use of diplomacy, it has come too late in the game. Your agents have been removed from most nations including my own, thus you are no longer a threat. I believe it is in the interest of your people to hand over your leader. You will spare the blood of many and ensure that in the coming years, your nation is respected.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE THRONE OF DAVID

After conservation with both our military and the Ministerial Council and the Council of Laity the following decision has been made:

1) We reqest a Non-Aggression Covenant with the nations of this leauge.

2) We will not surrender our Emperor, King David the II to you.

3) We would like to open negotiations with the Alliance on the following issues

1) removal of our sleeper cells from said nations, with the understanding that the Alliance will "stand down" from their current position

2) If they will stand down, we will solemnly swear to a Universal Non-Aggression Defensive Covenant with the world. This will include:
1) peacefull propogation of the DoubleWidevillian Fundemental Baptism
2) Disarmanent of our sleeper cells and a full "recall" of them
3) reorganization of the Shield and Sword of the Lord to a defensive
configuration
In Return we wil require:

1)Full Amnesty for King David the II
2) Signature of a Non-Aggression Covenant with DoubleWideville
3)All forces currently threatening DoubleWideville pulling back to
previous positions before the current crisis

We also have placed our military in populous areas. If you attack us, you unfortunately will kill many people. I am sure you're not hard hearted butchers.
Imagine killing small children and old ladies..That would be awful.

I frown upon your cowardly gambit of using your own citizen's lives to save your own neck. It truly shows your Emperor is no longer interested in upholding his position as a protector and guider of Doublewideville's people. Though not a supporter of the council in formation they have taken our words to heart and are making an effort to build their policies for dealing with extremists and fanatics around peace and diplomacy before military action is taken. We are very proud of this step they are taking.

We are not your brothers and while we both may not agree on the formation of this alliance we consider it coincidence. Not a sign of any positive connection between our nation's. The Black Imperium will not be forming any friendships with Doublewideville while the false Emperor of theirs is still in power.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

I frown upon your cowardly gambit of using your own citizen's lives to save your own neck. It truly shows your Emperor is no longer interested in upholding his position as a protector and guider of Doublewideville's people. Though not a supporter of the council in formation they have taken our words to heart and are making an effort to build their policies for dealing with extremists and fanatics around peace and diplomacy before military action is taken. We are very proud of this step they are taking.

We are not your brothers and while we both may not agree on the formation of this alliance we consider it coincidence. Not a sign of any positive connection between our nation's. The Black Imperium will not be forming any friendships with Doublewideville while the false Emperor of theirs is still in power.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

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Such a statement goes a long way to changing the minds of men in regards to your nation.

Well said, indeed.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE THRONE OF DAVID

After conservation with both our military and the Ministerial Council and the Council of Laity the following decision has been made:

1) We reqest a Non-Aggression Covenant with the nations of this leauge.

2) We will not surrender our Emperor, King David the II to you.

3) We would like to open negotiations with the Alliance on the following issues

1) removal of our sleeper cells from said nations, with the understanding that the Alliance will "stand down" from their current position

2) If they will stand down, we will solemnly swear to a Universal Non-Aggression Defensive Covenant with the world. This will include:
1) peacefull propogation of the DoubleWidevillian Fundemental Baptism
2) Disarmanent of our sleeper cells and a full "recall" of them
3) reorganization of the Shield and Sword of the Lord to a defensive
configuration
In Return we wil require:

1)Full Amnesty for King David the II
2) Signature of a Non-Aggression Covenant with DoubleWideville
3)All forces currently threatening DoubleWideville pulling back to
previous positions before the current crisis

We also have placed our military in populous areas. If you attack us, you unfortunately will kill many people. I am sure you're not hard hearted butchers.
Imagine killing small children and old ladies..That would be awful.

Your sleeper cells within the People's Republic have been disarmed and neutralized. We echo the message you have no doubt received already; it is in your nation's best interest to turn over your leader to be tried for his crimes. We find it disgusting that you would use your own people to shield your cowardly king, and urge the people of DoubleWideville to see their government for the cowards they truly are.

If your country would like to be treated as respectable, this is its chance.

Mikel Aritza, PRH-TT Foreign Minister

I frown upon your cowardly gambit of using your own citizen's lives to save your own neck. It truly shows your Emperor is no longer interested in upholding his position as a protector and guider of Doublewideville's people. Though not a supporter of the council in formation they have taken our words to heart and are making an effort to build their policies for dealing with extremists and fanatics around peace and diplomacy before military action is taken. We are very proud of this step they are taking.

We are not your brothers and while we both may not agree on the formation of this alliance we consider it coincidence. Not a sign of any positive connection between our nation's. The Black Imperium will not be forming any friendships with Doublewideville while the false Emperor of theirs is still in power.

Lord Der'khain
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium


These such strong words must really be taken in by those who seek to harm, and then hide away in the shadows, well done.

Sincerely,
Roland J. Massaquine
Prime Minister of Zoingo

OOC: Orbath, I was gonna say lets just RP the war games, but now that I think of it, how does one have an exciting wargame?

IC:

To The Nation of DoubleWideville:

Your nation has proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted. From your attacks on atheists and homosexuals, to your dropping of bibles on sovereign nations, your "King" David has proven that your nation cannot be allowed to continue. The USSY will not attack your nation unless the FMA chooses to do so, but Mr. David will be considered a criminal, wanted dead or alive.

From now on, a bounty will be placed on the head of King David. $100,000,000,000 NSD alive, $100,000,000NSD dead.

If the nation of DoubleWideville were to make drastic changes, we would consider lifting the bounty.

These are our demands of the nation of DoubleWideville:
1)You renounce the laws passed that allow you to persecute anyone based on their religious or sexual preference.
2)The government will pay reparations to the families they have effected with their bigotry.
3)You allow all deported individuals to come back if they want.
4)You recall all the remaining terrorists you have abroad, and relinquish your nuclear weapons. All of them, including your missiles.
5)You enact laws prohibiting use of violence against anyone based on religion or sexuality.

OOC: Orbath, I was gonna say lets just RP the war games, but now that I think of it, how does one have an exciting wargame?

IC:

To The Nation of DoubleWideville:

Your nation has proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted. From your attacks on atheists and homosexuals, to your dropping of bibles on sovereign nations, your "King" David has proven that your nation cannot be allowed to continue. The USSY will not attack your nation unless the FMA chooses to do so, but Mr. David will be considered a criminal, wanted dead or alive.

From now on, a bounty will be placed on the head of King David. $100,000,000,000 NSD alive, $100,000,000NSD dead.

If the nation of DoubleWideville were to make drastic changes, we would consider lifting the bounty.

These are our demands of the nation of DoubleWideville:
1)You renounce the laws passed that allow you to persecute anyone based on their religious or sexual preference.
2)The government will pay reparations to the families they have effected with their bigotry.
3)You allow all deported individuals to come back if they want.
4)You recall all the remaining terrorists you have abroad, and relinquish your nuclear weapons. All of them, including your missiles.
5)You enact laws prohibiting use of violence against anyone based on religion or sexuality.

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We ask whether that bounty will apply when King David has been tried and convicted by a Barronian Government Court.

To Pan-Arab Barronia:

Yes, the bounty will still apply, so long as he is undamaged. We would prefer to have him immediately after the trial.

To Pan-Arab Barronia:

Yes, the bounty will still apply, so long as he is undamaged. We would prefer to have him immediately after the trial.

Excellent.

To the nation of Doublewideville:

Our fleets close upon your shores. Your time is running out fast. King David will either be handed over and unharmed, or we will acquire him by force.

Your time is limited. Do the right thing.

OOC: Orbath, I was gonna say lets just RP the war games, but now that I think of it, how does one have an exciting wargame?

IC:

To The Nation of DoubleWideville:

Your nation has proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted. From your attacks on atheists and homosexuals, to your dropping of bibles on sovereign nations, your "King" David has proven that your nation cannot be allowed to continue. The USSY will not attack your nation unless the FMA chooses to do so, but Mr. David will be considered a criminal, wanted dead or alive.

From now on, a bounty will be placed on the head of King David. $100,000,000,000 NSD alive, $100,000,000NSD dead.

If the nation of DoubleWideville were to make drastic changes, we would consider lifting the bounty.

These are our demands of the nation of DoubleWideville:
1)You renounce the laws passed that allow you to persecute anyone based on their religious or sexual preference.
2)The government will pay reparations to the families they have effected with their bigotry.
3)You allow all deported individuals to come back if they want.
4)You recall all the remaining terrorists you have abroad, and relinquish your nuclear weapons. All of them, including your missiles.
5)You enact laws prohibiting use of violence against anyone based on religion or sexuality.

To Yanitaria,

We also wish to bring this madman to trial for crimes against our nation, under our laws. We will be willing to offer 1,000,000,000 for the so called "King" David after you are done with him, he may be damaged, but we wish him to still be alive. We will also be willing to facilitate the prisoner transfer.

Signed,
Jim Lange,
President,
The Republic of the Beatus

OOC: Awesome. I just became a bounty hunter.

To Yanitaria,

We also wish to bring this madman to trial for crimes against our nation, under our laws. We will be willing to offer 1,000,000,000 for the so called "King" David after you are done with him, he may be damaged, but we wish him to still be alive. We will also be willing to facilitate the prisoner transfer.

Signed,
Jim Lange,
President,
The Republic of the Beatus

Of course, we would be happy to hand him over to you after he has been sent to a special facility for unreformable prisoners.

OOC: Awesome. I just became a bounty hunter.

OOC: Indeed!

Of course, we would be happy to hand him over to you after he has been sent to a special facility for unreformable prisoners.

Good, we will ensure that he is given a "fair" trial, and then prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

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We will be keeping an eye on this and do hope, for everyones sake, that this does not turn into a witch hunt against religion in general. If it does, we will make sure to take all actions required to safeguard religious freedom in that of ViZion and any allies that become a target of this crusade.

Thank you,

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Hobels: We assure you it will not. *smiles* The first section and the preamble forbid it.

Presidente Tsuchii nodded, "Those articles sound fair, it is important to differentiate between a religion and its extremists. However, what of actual action?"

"In my opinion, this alliance should assist all members being attacked by religious fundamentalist powers, and, at its discretion, non-members as well. I believe that aggressive action is only called for in the case of particularly heinous action by the fundamentalists, such as the genocide in the New True Cross that occurred a while back."

Hobels: But what of the nations or sects we know are bound to cause trouble but haven't done anything yet? We want to be proactive not reactive.

Jorgan Von Straiten: *Rises and speaks* It sounds good for now, we really need to get down to the heart of this, like what actions we are all willing to take, and against who. These need to be defined. *Sits*

Hobels: This being a police action we must keep our actions legal in order to set an example...ergo we should make a list of things we shall never do. Let the brainstorming begin *prepares pen to write down what actions should never be taken by the Free Mind alliance.

The General stood this time.

''This brings up another important point. Are we to act against governments who are not part of extremism but support it? Or governments that do nothing against extremists in their nations?''

Hobels: If the government supplies the radicals then they government is as guilty as the man who gives the notorious psychopathic criminal a revolver. But if the government doesn't do anything about the exremism should be urged to do so using incentives.

Hobels: But what of the nations or sects we know are bound to cause trouble but haven't done anything yet? We want to be proactive not reactive.

"I was making a suggestion, nothing more," Tsuchii said, "However, there is a thin line between being proactive and being imperialistic. If it is necessary for the Free Mind Alliance to make aggressive attacks when no action has been taken, it must be done with the utmost discretion."

The General stood once again.

''There are many other approaches we can take before it even leads to hostile action. One of these is simply no delaying with said nation anymore, such as no more trade, deporting civilians and such. Of course, if it is a group rather than a government, this will be ineffective. Another more direct action is a blockade. We can chose which cargo goes in and out of a nation, allowing food and such but eliminating weapons shipments, thus limiting weapons a group or government may get their hands on. A third approach is through the use of special forces soldiers in deniable missions. By using special forces to attack strongholds and weapons caches, we can attack them secretly and directly with minimal force, thus not risking innocent civilians lives. Should the mission fail, we deny any involement, thus saving face. Included in this could be rebellion. Agents could be inserted to provide weapons and training. Of course, if worse comes to worst, we always have regular war. ''

He paused, talking very quietly with the two other Orbathain representatives.

''If spec ops is the way to go, we can provide training and manpower. I propose a joint unit with bases in some of our nations.''

South Lizasaurian General: I second this proposal, special ops and secret operatives can be sent to weaken and eliminate extremist groups without said nation knowing of our presence.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE THRONE OF DAVID
After conservation with both our military and the Ministerial Council and the Council of Laity the following decision has been made:
1) We reqest a Non-Aggression Covenant with the nations of this leauge.
2) We will not surrender our Emperor, King David the II to you.
3) We would like to open negotiations with the Alliance on the following issues
1) removal of our sleeper cells from said nations, with the understanding that the Alliance will "stand down" from their current position
2) If they will stand down, we will solemnly swear to a Universal Non-Aggression Defensive Covenant with the world. This will include:
1) peacefull propogation of the DoubleWidevillian Fundemental Baptism
2) Disarmanent of our sleeper cells and a full "recall" of them
3) reorganization of the Shield and Sword of the Lord to a defensive
configuration
In Return we wil require:
1)Full Amnesty for King David the II
2) Signature of a Non-Aggression Covenant with DoubleWideville
3)All forces currently threatening DoubleWideville pulling back to
previous positions before the current crisis
We also have placed our military in populous areas. If you attack us, you unfortunately will kill many people. I am sure you're not hard hearted butchers.
Imagine killing small children and old ladies..That would be awful.

SECRET IC:
SCENE: Shazbotdom Imperial Palace
"This has gone on too fucking long." Larry said as he slammed his fists down onto the desk. He turned towards Rockenbach. "Were going to go to the Court. See how the trial of those fucktards from DoubleWideville is going."

~15 Minutes Later~

IC:
SCENE: Shazbotdom Imperial Courthouse
While whispering. "Again, this is Becky from Shazbotdom News Network reporting. As you can see, the Jury has just returned from deliberating the verdict of the suspected terrorists from DoubeWideville. It was hard to find people to be on this jury that hadn't known about it already. Wait. The foreman is standing up."

The judge then looked over to the jury. "Mr. Foreman. What say you?"

"We. The jury. Find the defendant Guilty of Attempted Mass Murder, Conspiracy to Commit Mass Murder, and posession of a weapon of mass destruction."

"So as it is said." The judge then looked over at the Defendant. "Your scentence has already been laid out before you. You are to be taken to St. Jerrold's Island where you will be strapped down to the nuclear device and it detonated from a distance of 100km. May whatever higher being you believe in, have mercy upon your soul. Take him away"

The gavel came down with one swift motion, signaling the guard to grab the man and drag him from the courtroom. He was to go to an awaiting AC-01 Pelican to be brought to the island, where the nuke would be waiting for him.

South Lizasaurian General: I second this proposal, special ops and secret operatives can be sent to weaken and eliminate extremist groups without said nation knowing of our presence.

Von Straiten: "We should get a new type up of the charter, with everything that has been discussed, and see how people like it, then we can work off that."

''What types of incentives should be offered?''

OOC: War games are just as fun as a regular war, in fact, despite the fact that it is basically a militarized game of laser tag, I still RP my soldiers ''dying'' and such. My idea was, being as their marines, you could stage and amphibious assault. Should you make it past the beaches, your objective could be to reach a certain point inland, fighting through the jungles. Should this be o.k., I'll create an IC thread.

From The Throne of David in Exile

King David is now in exile. His location is unknown to all. Be assured, our brave people have prepared for their defense.
We have mined the harbor of our shores and seeded the land with landmines. In addition, armanents have been passed out to the populace in defense of our homeland.
We also have targeted your ships with our medium range nuclear missles.

Our military assets, the formal ones, have been placed in large population centers. Hopefully, immoral as you are you will respect human life. If not, we shall send an envoy to the U.N to request the nations of the world bring you to heel.

As for the informal ones, we are armed, primed and ready. You will find a nasty waiting party here for you, gentlemen.

The people of the Holy and Righteous Empire of DoubleWideville still respect and honor the authority and religious primacy of our Emperor and Pontifix Maximus, as such I am sure he will send messages of encouragement through covert means to our forces.

Our insurgents and guerrilla forces are ready, our schoolchildren armed, all corps of Jesus Youth have been armed and are awaiting you. The Free Corps of the Crosss is waiting for you as well.

Come ,then, if you will.

Creus: "With regards to special operations, the Federation would be more than happy to help. Each branch of our military plus our intelligence service has a special operations division. our homeland is also a tropical archipelago-ideal for jungle warfare training. Also, this business with DoubleWideville reminds me of something i had meant to bring up a while ago. I propose that the Alliance set up an International Court to try individuals or organizations accused of supporting extremist activities. This would give our actions much legitimacy, as I see it. Shall we include it in the updated charter?"

Federation of Visayan Peoples
Committee on Foreign Affairs
Permanent Delegation to the Free Minds Alliance

To the Nation of DoubleWideville

Your belligerent actions have brought untold fear and suffering throughout the world and your continued intransigence adds insult to injury. You are surrounded by vengeful enemies and there is nothing you can do to prevent the inevitable destruction of your lands. The Federation implores you to give in to the demands of the members of the Free Minds Alliance in the interest of justice and peace.

(Sgd.)Leander Creus
Ambasasdor to the Free Minds Alliancce

Federation of Visayan Peoples
Committee on Foreign Affairs
Permanent Delegation to the Free Minds Alliance

To the Nation of DoubleWideville

Your belligerent actions have brought untold fear and suffering throughout the world and your continued intransigence adds insult to injury. You are surrounded by vengeful enemies and there is nothing you can do to prevent the inevitable destruction of your lands. The Federation implores you to give in to the demands of the members of the Free Minds Alliance in the interest of justice and peace.

(Sgd.)Leander Creus
Ambasasdor to the Free Minds Alliancce


From the Desk of the Lord Regent Johnson:

Sir, our spiritual and political leader Emperor David the II is in exile. I have been chosen as Lord Regent in his stead.
You may attack us, sir. That is your choice. However, I would heartily suggest that you negotiate with us. I am empowered to do so.
And no, I do not know where he is. We are prepared for your invasion and if necessary, a long drawn out struggle that will bog you down for decades if not centuries.
A policy of total resistance will be eneacted here, and if you choose to attack we will strike your ships with medium range nuclear missles. We have mined all our waters, we have mines the beaches, we have laid down a continous mine field going in 50 miles from the shoreline. We have armed the citizenry and placed our forces out of uniform.
We will strike any ship within a 10,000 nautical miles of our shores with medium range nuclear weapons.

Now..an olive branch. If you choose to negotiate, this crisis can come to an end. If not, our operatives will begin coordinated attacks via sleeper cells throughout your nations, with suicide bombings and assasinations.
I strongly suggest you negotiate. Let's end this unpleasantness.

Lord Regent Johnson

Federation of Visayan Peoples
Committee on Foreign Affairs
Permanent Delegation to the Free Minds Alliance

To the Nation of DoubleWideville

Your belligerent actions have brought untold fear and suffering throughout the world and your continued intransigence adds insult to injury. You are surrounded by vengeful enemies and there is nothing you can do to prevent the inevitable destruction of your lands. The Federation implores you to give in to the demands of the members of the Free Minds Alliance in the interest of justice and peace.

(Sgd.)Leander Creus
Ambasasdor to the Free Minds Alliancce

I would suggest that you do not do that. If you do, then, sir, you will join us in death.

Were willing to die. Are you, sir? Even now our long range nuclear missles have been trained on the nations of the Free Mind Alliance. A nuclear attack will result in mutually assured destruction. We will respond in kind, and strike large population cities and kill millions. If you choose to do so, compose your soul, sir, and repent. For you soon will see God Himself, if you choose this option.

In death, sir, all are equal. Choose life, I urge you.

This is our Reponce to Your Threat. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13351826#post13351826)

Official Siriusan Haiku

An alliance against
Nation, takes too seriously
Doublewideville: lulz

-Jeff

Official Magisteriate of International Affairs Statement

Hand over King David. This, and only this will save you. The fact that you continue to make threats even after we have captured your operatives shows just how out of touch you really are. Lord Regent, owing to your willingness to detonate these weapons shows that you are as much a threat as your predecessor.

Your are hereby deemed a criminal against Barronia, and are declared arrestable on sight by Magisterium Military Law Enforcement Officials, as per Imperial Legislation 245.6.K, "Unwarranted Mass Threat to Citizen Life". You will hand yourself and King David in to the nearest MMLEO peacefully and without resistance, or we will be forced to use all necessary measures to capture you. The lives of your citizens are now in your hands, not ours.

OOC: All written on an iPod Touch. How awesome is that.

ooc: to find when this happened, look up the thread: Doublewideville dispersing of suitcase nukes, page 4
Headline:
New Songdo wiped of the map!

Before (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newsongdocityvuevz2.jpg)
After (http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/PHY106/GIF/Still/Physics/Damage13-hiroshima-c.jpg)

Doublewideville threat a reality!

Shock spread around the nation today, as word reached the capital that New Songdo was wiped of the face of the earth by a suitcase nuclear bomb carried by a terrorist of Doublewideville, exploded and killed into the millions. Agents were sent from Z14, Zoingo's International Secret Service agency, to turn in and deactivate the bombs, while arresting those charged, but it seems that it all turned for the worst. The explosion ripped through the highrises of the commerical center, through the community central park, where it was estimated at least 10,000 were in the vecintiy of the explosion, and into the suburbs of the city, where most were preparing for school and for their morning commute. It is estimated that over 4,000 from other nations were also killed when a smaller explosion was set off on a oil tanker in port that was docked next to two forign cruise liners. The estimated toll in costs go up to 6.98 trillion dollars in damages, as well as the horrific cost of life, 1.7 million killed, as well as 700,000 known women and children registerd in the city's records. The incident was seen by a farmer up in the high hills surrounding the city, and saw the whole sight.
"Their was a blinding flash of light, followed by a smaller one, and a big wave that seemed to knock down bulding after building, untill the sounds of the city were suddenly silent."

No word has yet been recieved by Parliamet, the Prime Minister, or King Ragnald IV.

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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE INTERIM MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
MR. KENNITH G. TERRANCE

Dear Leadership of DoubleWideville,

We regret to inform you that despite your lack of tollerance on people of other religions, your terrorist in our nation is to be dropped onto an island later today with his suitcase nuke and blown into a bazillion pieces.

You can still save him, though. Respond with an official appology to the Shazbotdom Empire for threatening millions of innocent lives of the Shazbotdom People and his life will be spared, and he will be exiled to an location that will remain undisclosed for now, where you can pick up his body pieces, err, I mean pick him up.


You have 24 hours to respond, or he will be executed.

From the Free Lands of United Estovakia

We wish to stop the forcement of one idea onto the people, and we wish to join the free mind alliance. We Will send the Prime Minister Seryozha Viktrovich to your meating if it is still happening, and we wish to put an end to this madness.

Von Straiten: "Now after checking my assistants written minutes of this meeting, I believe this is what we already have worked out, now if I missed anything or miss quote anything, just speak up about it. Lets see now, first Hobels said

Article one:

Section one: Every member of the alliance, supporting free will shall not wage war on the religion itself unless the religion itself in EVERY circumstance is evil and causes only pain. (example:Thuggery)

Section two: Every nation acknowledges that the extremists that twist the words of religions are the enemies and that the religion itself is not, ergo no member shall war on the religion but on the extremists who pervert holy texts to further their causes.

Many agreed it was good. Then there was some discussion over the need for diplomacy before action was taken. Then Hobels read his preamble,

Preamble: We the united nations of the Free Mind Alliance, hereby form this coalition to suit the purpose of liquidating the evil, the twisted, and the insane parties who commit the following: twist religions and beliefs for any wrong reason, brainwash, use militant force to get their ends, use religion as an excuse to reach their own goals without regard for others including their members, and those who meddle in international affairs.

Again, many agreed it was good. Then the issue of rigidly defining religious extremism came up, when both Mr. Andrews, and I suggested definitions,

Religious Extremists: A group of people under a Religion, claiming supernatural, mystical or divinely-inspired rationale for their beliefs and actions. What differs this from a normal Religion is their actions which often promote hate, and violence, without regard to already established laws. Often these ''extremists'' unite to accomplish a common goal, for example, genocide against another religion.

Religious Extremism: When a nations, group, or person uses religion to justify they're own, or others violent actions, or goals. These goals, actions include, but are not limited to, murder, genocide, and war.

Then the topic shifted to how to deal with religious extremisms. First is was asked whether we would work against organizations promoting religous extremist, and governments, or just governments, or just organizations. I said I thought it should be both. Then it was asked if we should only act against those who support religious extremist, those who do nothing to stop them, or both. Again, I suggested both, but that we should treat those that do nothing to stop them less severely than we would those supporting them. It was also suggested that there be no military action against those doing nothing to stop religious extremists, as this would only serve to strengthen the extremists standings. It was stressed that diplomacy should always be our first choice, by some members, and only take military action if all else failed. Then it was suggested that we do all we could to help a nation settle the issue internally. At this point, the idea of cutting off contact with the nations, groups in question, blockading they're ports, or special forces action could be used. The suggestion of special ops bases within each others nations was discussed. There was some discussion of special forces in our respective nations that may, or may not exist. Eldegaard stated that his nation would be glad to host a special forces base. I suggested that the bases should be top secret, and volunteered my nation for a base also. The delegate from Orbath volunteered his nation for a base also. I stressed the need for naval support as well in special forces operations. Mr Andrews suggested the following joining requirements,

Joining Requirements

- Nations must be firmly against religious extremism.

- Nations must practice basic human rights.
Requirements After Joining

- Provide at least a small number of ''units'' both for special operations and intelligence gathering.

- Share intelligence on current and inactive religious extremists.

- Pledge aid, be it diplomatic or military to nations affected by religious extremists.

- Agree to follow any trade embargoes or sanctions enacted by this alliance.

- Promote diplomatic contact between member nations.

Then I suggested that the part about forcing all members to provide units for both special operations and intelligence gathering, should be changed to or, instead of and, because some nations my not have proper special forces units. The it was decided that a definition for basic human rights needed to be made. At this point I suggested the following definition,

Basic Human Rights: For the purpose of this document, Basic Human Rights shall be defined as the following rights, the right to clean water, the right to proper sanitation facilities, the right to freedom (I.E. no slaves), the right to free speech, the right to an education, the right to freedom of religion, and the right to have a family, which includes children and a wife.

Then the South Lizasaurian General seconded the proposal that we use special ops and secret operatives. Then Creus proposed the creation of an "International Court to try individuals or organizations accused of supporting extremist activities."

That is basically what has been discussed up to now. I just thought it would be better to refresh our memories of the meeting to this point.

From the Desk of the Lord Regent Johnson:

Sir, our spiritual and political leader Emperor David the II is in exile. I have been chosen as Lord Regent in his stead.
You may attack us, sir. That is your choice. However, I would heartily suggest that you negotiate with us. I am empowered to do so.
And no, I do not know where he is. We are prepared for your invasion and if necessary, a long drawn out struggle that will bog you down for decades if not centuries.
A policy of total resistance will be eneacted here, and if you choose to attack we will strike your ships with medium range nuclear missles. We have mined all our waters, we have mines the beaches, we have laid down a continous mine field going in 50 miles from the shoreline. We have armed the citizenry and placed our forces out of uniform.
We will strike any ship within a 10,000 nautical miles of our shores with medium range nuclear weapons.

Now..an olive branch. If you choose to negotiate, this crisis can come to an end. If not, our operatives will begin coordinated attacks via sleeper cells throughout your nations, with suicide bombings and assasinations.
I strongly suggest you negotiate. Let's end this unpleasantness.

Lord Regent Johnson

Federation of Visayan Peoples
Committee on Foreign Relations
Permanent Delegation to the Free Minds Alliance

My Lord,

The Federation did not threaten to invade for it does not go about seeking war but we warn you that we are not inclined to back down when we are on the side of right. We have approached DoubleWideville diplomatically, meaning to avoid unneccessary bloodshed and we repeat our plea in the name of peace. Please hand over King David to justice and recall your suitcase nuclear bombs and spare the world any more carnage. We have received reports that several of our nationals were killed in the attack on New Songdo and a suitcase bomb has been intercepted by alert security personnel of Nactam International Airport near our capital. This is no longer a distant threat but a clear and present danger to the Federation and its citizens and this is how we view it.

In response to our message you chose to harden your bellicose posture to overt threats of violence. From what we see you have directly threatened to destroy our peaceful country. May we remind you, sir, that this is not a duel between us but a world alienated by your crazed leader uniting to end your reign of terror.

Nonetheless, you offer an olive branch and we, as a peace-loving nation accept this. We do not wish for death, though you seem to have prepared yourself to both inflict and receive untold suffering. There can still be negotiations to prevent war and we are glad to join and even host this. It is not yet too late to stop this madness. Prove to the world that you and your country are not like your predecessor.

(Sgd.)Leander Creus
Ambassador to the Free Minds Alliance

Creus just got off his cellphone when he addressed the meeting. The DoubleWideville affair was clearly shaking up things back home but he had to concentrate on the task at hand.

"We must thank Mr. Von Straiten for organizing our discussions. This reduces the chaos of our proceedings into order. So the topic up for consideration is the International Court. Our proposal is to appoint as Justice of the International Court a distinguished jurist, well-versed in International Law from each member-state. Each Justice shall serve for a term of four years. (OOC:RP years of course) The Presidency will rotate every month by countries in alphabetical order. The specific powers and responsibilities of the Justices and the Presiding Justice we leave to the assembly for discussion."

Creus just got off his cellphone when he addressed the meeting. The DoubleWideville affair was clearly shaking up things back home but he had to concentrate on the task at hand.

"We must thank Mr. Von Straiten for organizing our discussions. This reduces the chaos of our proceedings into order. So the topic up for consideration is the International Court. Our proposal is to appoint as Justice of the International Court a distinguished jurist, well-versed in International Law from each member-state. Each Justice shall serve for a term of four years. (OOC:RP years of course) The Presidency will rotate every month by countries in alphabetical order. The specific powers and responsibilities of the Justices and the Presiding Justice we leave to the assembly for discussion."

Von Straiten: Should not the jurist be randomly chosen, to ensure that it is fair, and that nations do not submit people who are fanatical anti religious types intentionally.

Von Straiten: Should not the jurist be randomly chosen, to ensure that it is fair, and that nations do not submit people who are fanatical anti religious types intentionally.

''Agreed but they must be well qualified in international law.''

''Agreed but they must be well qualified in international law.''

Von Straiten: Fine, than they should be given a class on the subject before the trial begins to ensure that they are. Also what international laws?

Von Straiten: Fine, than they should be given a class on the subject before the trial begins to ensure that they are. Also what international laws?

''A very important point indeed. I would recommend laws pertaining to genocide, terrorism, torture, slavery, and kidnapping just to name a few. Also a distinct knowledge of the Geneva Convention. I don't think this is something that can be taught in a few weeks, this is something that takes years to perfect. Since very few people in Orbath outside the military are versed in International Law, I recommend we pool professors from nations outside this alliance as well as non military personal from within our nations to teach citizens who wish to learn this craft. This way these judges are not biased in anyway.''

ooc: to find when this happened, look up the thread: Doublewideville dispersing of suitcase nukes, page 4
Headline:
New Songdo wiped of the map!

Before (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newsongdocityvuevz2.jpg)
After (http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/PHY106/GIF/Still/Physics/Damage13-hiroshima-c.jpg)

Doublewideville threat a reality!

Shock spread around the nation today, as word reached the capital that New Songdo was wiped of the face of the earth by a suitcase nuclear bomb carried by a terrorist of Doublewideville, exploded and killed into the millions. Agents were sent from Z14, Zoingo's International Secret Service agency, to turn in and deactivate the bombs, while arresting those charged, but it seems that it all turned for the worst. The explosion ripped through the highrises of the commerical center, through the community central park, where it was estimated at least 10,000 were in the vecintiy of the explosion, and into the suburbs of the city, where most were preparing for school and for their morning commute. It is estimated that over 4,000 from other nations were also killed when a smaller explosion was set off on a oil tanker in port that was docked next to two forign cruise liners. The estimated toll in costs go up to 6.98 trillion dollars in damages, as well as the horrific cost of life, 1.7 million killed, as well as 700,000 known women and children registerd in the city's records. The incident was seen by a farmer up in the high hills surrounding the city, and saw the whole sight.
"Their was a blinding flash of light, followed by a smaller one, and a big wave that seemed to knock down bulding after building, untill the sounds of the city were suddenly silent."

No word has yet been recieved by Parliamet, the Prime Minister, or King Ragnald IV.

OOC: Let's have Zoingo inform us of the affair ICly and bring it to the Free Mind's Alliance attention, then we can send humanitarian aid.

Mr Andrews stood alongside the General.

''I believe we need to speed up this process. As we sit here and discuss, several ''conflicts'' are being encountered by members however we don't really have the ability to launch a proper collective response. I've included an updated version of the charter to include parts about the ''court''''

Charter of The Free Mind Alliance

Preamble

We the united nations of the Free Mind Alliance, hereby form this coalition to suit the purpose of liquidating the evil, the twisted, and the insane parties who commit the following: twist religions and beliefs for any wrong reason, brainwash, use militant force to get their ends, use religion as an excuse to reach their own goals without regard for others including their members, and those who meddle in international affairs.

Article One

Section One: Every member of the alliance, supporting free will shall not wage war on the religion itself unless the religion itself in EVERY circumstance is evil and causes only pain. (example:Thuggery)

Section Two: Every nation acknowledges that the extremists that twist the words of religions are the enemies and that the religion itself is not, ergo no member shall war on the religion but on the extremists who pervert holy texts to further their causes.


Joining Requirements

- Nations must be firmly against religious extremism.

- Nations must practice basic human rights.\

Requirements After Joining

- Provide at least a small number of ''units'' both for special operations or intelligence gathering.

- Share intelligence on current and inactive religious extremists.

- Pledge aid, be it diplomatic or military to nations affected by religious extremists.

- Agree to follow any trade embargoes or sanctions enacted by this alliance.

- Promote diplomatic contact between member nations.

- Provide a Judge for a term of 4 years, to be used in the Free Mind Alliance Court.

Free Mind Alliance Court

A court established to try people found guilty of any crimes relating to religious extremism. Each member nation will provide one justice, educated by civilians within their own nation or by civilians in an outside nation. These Justices are well versed in aspects of international law and religion.

Definitions of Charter Terms

Basic Human Rights: For the purpose of this document, Basic Human Rights shall be defined as the following rights, the right to clean water, the right to proper sanitation facilities, the right to freedom (I.E. no slaves), the right to free speech, the right to an education, the right to freedom of religion, and the right to have a family, which includes children and a wife.

Religious Extremists: A group of people under a Religion, claiming supernatural, mystical or divinely-inspired rationale for their beliefs and actions. What differs this from a normal Religion is their actions which often promote hate, and violence, without regard to already established laws. Often these ''extremists'' unite to accomplish a common goal, for example, genocide against another religion.

Religious Extremism: When a nations, group, or person uses religion to justify they're own, or others violent actions, or goals. These goals, actions include, but are not limited to, murder, genocide, and war.

Mr Andrews spoke again.

'' You may edit the part about the court as you see fit .What punishments will the court be able to hand out?''

Mr Andrews stood alongside the General.

''I believe we need to speed up this process. As we sit here and discuss, several ''conflicts'' are being encountered by members however we don't really have the ability to launch a proper collective response. I've included an updated version of the charter to include parts about the ''court''''

Charter of The Free Mind Alliance

Preamble

We the united nations of the Free Mind Alliance, hereby form this coalition to suit the purpose of liquidating the evil, the twisted, and the insane parties who commit the following: twist religions and beliefs for any wrong reason, brainwash, use militant force to get their ends, use religion as an excuse to reach their own goals without regard for others including their members, and those who meddle in international affairs.

Article One

Section One: Every member of the alliance, supporting free will shall not wage war on the religion itself unless the religion itself in EVERY circumstance is evil and causes only pain. (example:Thuggery)

Section Two: Every nation acknowledges that the extremists that twist the words of religions are the enemies and that the religion itself is not, ergo no member shall war on the religion but on the extremists who pervert holy texts to further their causes.


Joining Requirements

- Nations must be firmly against religious extremism.

- Nations must practice basic human rights.\

Requirements After Joining

- Provide at least a small number of ''units'' both for special operations or intelligence gathering.

- Share intelligence on current and inactive religious extremists.

- Pledge aid, be it diplomatic or military to nations affected by religious extremists.

- Agree to follow any trade embargoes or sanctions enacted by this alliance.

- Promote diplomatic contact between member nations.

- Provide a Judge for a term of 4 years, to be used in the Free Mind Alliance Court.

Free Mind Alliance Court

A court established to try people found guilty of any crimes relating to religious extremism. Each member nation will provide one justice, educated by civilians within their own nation or by civilians in an outside nation. These Justices are well versed in aspects of international law and religion.

Definitions of Charter Terms

Basic Human Rights: For the purpose of this document, Basic Human Rights shall be defined as the following rights, the right to clean water, the right to proper sanitation facilities, the right to freedom (I.E. no slaves), the right to free speech, the right to an education, the right to freedom of religion, and the right to have a family, which includes children and a wife.

Religious Extremists: A group of people under a Religion, claiming supernatural, mystical or divinely-inspired rationale for their beliefs and actions. What differs this from a normal Religion is their actions which often promote hate, and violence, without regard to already established laws. Often these ''extremists'' unite to accomplish a common goal, for example, genocide against another religion.

Religious Extremism: When a nations, group, or person uses religion to justify they're own, or others violent actions, or goals. These goals, actions include, but are not limited to, murder, genocide, and war.

Mr Andrews spoke again.

'' You may edit the part about the court as you see fit .What punishments will the court be able to hand out?''

Von Straiten: You need to add an article two, like this,

Article Two

Section 1
The actions to be taken by this organization shall be outlined below. They are to be taken in the order listed, with appropriate time for response between each one, unless it is decided by more than 50% of the members that actions should be skipped, or the waiting time waived.

For Extremist Governments:

1.) Cut off all diplomatic and economic ties,

2.) Blockade of targets ports, freeze all assets in member nations banks, industries, and businesses.

3.) Attempt to establish diplomatic talks to discuss situation, also begin special forces operations, if deemed necessary. Operations limited to supply and training of locals at this stage.

4.) Step up special forces operations, begin targeting key enemy targets, preparation for invasion. First troops deployed to area, warn enemy of imitate invasion(Warning may be skipped on a case by case basis if more than two members think it will jeopardize our chances of winning, if so immediately begin next step.)

5.) Full stage invasion of enemy territory.

For Extremist Organizations Operating under non-Extremist Governments

1.) Attempt to get government to crack down on organization.

2.) If government is cooperative, but fails to stop organization, offer forces to assist in removal of hostile organization. If government is non-cooperative, use economic and political pressure to attempt to get government to cooperate, if they do see above.

3.) If government is still un-cooperative, than send in special forces to deal with organization, if government attempts to stop them, warn them that if they interfere, military action will be taken, if they do not listen, take military action.

OOC: Let's have Zoingo inform us of the affair ICly and bring it to the Free Mind's Alliance attention, then we can send humanitarian aid.

occ: okay, how about this....

Ic:

A courier barged into the meeting.

"Message from the Royal Parliament of Zoingo," the messenger said, and put a copy of the Zoingonian Times on the table for everyone to see.
Refering to top of page.....

Eldegaard: "We would like a section guaranteeing the secrecy of the amount and type of special forces or intelligence forces sent. This includes the organization they belong to.

"I also believe that it should not be mandatory to send operatives."

Eldegaard: "We would like a section guaranteeing the secrecy of the amount and type of special forces or intelligence forces sent. This includes the organization they belong to.

"I also believe that it should not be mandatory to send operatives."

Von Straiten: That was covered in the part about joining requirement, and I quote, "Provide at least a small number of ''units'' both for special operations or intelligence gathering," it clearly states or, if you do not wish to send units into combat, they can be used in the no combat supportive role of intellegence gathering, such as monitoring enemy communications, decrypting/decoding enemy transmissions, etc..

Eldegaard: "Even in the small roles, a poor intelligence operative can simply be dead weight. I propose that a third option be added, the advancement of science. Nations will send their scientists, at the very least. After all, it's hard to screw up when your job is washing beakers.

Eldegaard: "Even in the small roles, a poor intelligence operative can simply be dead weight. I propose that a third option be added, the advancement of science. Nations will send their scientists, at the very least. After all, it's hard to screw up when your job is washing beakers.

Von Straiten: That is a good point. We also found a major flaw in this whole thing. There is nothing about what happens afterwards, after the extremists are removed, I mean you can't just remove a nations government then just leave it there, there will be a power vacuum, and seediest, most twisted and perverted governments thrive in that sort of situation, it could result in a government that is worse than the original. We need to have a plan for this, otherwise will could just be invading the same place to remove one religious extremist group after another. When one is removed, there will likely be a lot of support for a government based on the religion that was being persecuted by the old regime, which will lead to religious extremism in the opposite direction. Anyone have any ideas on this subject?

Von Straiten: That is a good point. We also found a major flaw in this whole thing. There is nothing about what happens afterwards, after the extremists are removed, I mean you can't just remove a nations government then just leave it there, there will be a power vacuum, and seediest, most twisted and perverted governments thrive in that sort of situation, it could result in a government that is worse than the original. We need to have a plan for this, otherwise will could just be invading the same place to remove one religious extremist group after another. When one is removed, there will likely be a lot of support for a government based on the religion that was being persecuted by the old regime, which will lead to religious extremism in the opposite direction. Anyone have any ideas on this subject?

''For the time being, The highest ranking military leaders involved in the operation become the leaders as part of a council until a democratically elected government can be placed in power.''

OOC: Yanitaria, you missed my earlier post about the war game so I'll repeat myself. I war game as though the situation is real, as in, I RP blood splattering, explosions, ect. In reality, it is all a game using lasers, like what the US uses. Essentially, a war game is exactly like a real war, just with no ill effects or permenant damage. If your up for it, I'll create an IC thread.

''For the time being, The highest ranking military leaders involved in the operation become the leaders as part of a council until a democratically elected government can be placed in power.''
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Creus:" I respectfully disagree. Generals should fight wars not administer conquered territories although logistically this would be sound. However, by imposing a military government we risk being labelled as an "occupying power". Perhaps we can provide for civillian bureaucrats to take the lead in an interim government with the military relegated to a supporting role."

''For the time being, The highest ranking military leaders involved in the operation become the leaders as part of a council until a democratically elected government can be placed in power.''

OOC: Yanitaria, you missed my earlier post about the war game so I'll repeat myself. I war game as though the situation is real, as in, I RP blood splattering, explosions, ect. In reality, it is all a game using lasers, like what the US uses. Essentially, a war game is exactly like a real war, just with no ill effects or permenant damage. If your up for it, I'll create an IC thread.

OOC: Oh, sorry, I totally missed your post. Sure, let's just RP it as if it were a real war. I'll be using my latest designs that I have made, so this should be good. We should do a little background on our militaries in the first posts.

Creus:" I respectfully disagree. Generals should fight wars not administer conquered territories although logistically this would be sound. However, by imposing a military government we risk being labelled as an "occupying power". Perhaps we can provide for civillian bureaucrats to take the lead in an interim government with the military relegated to a supporting role."

Eldegaard "I agree. Although I would have no problem with this, I believe it would be better to appoint an administrative council until someone can be democratically elected."

Eldegaard picked up her phone a second before it rang, and spoke for a second.

"I would like to ask that the FMA consider taking action in the recent strife in Amadjiah (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547110)."

Edit: "On an aside, I suggest the FMA create a parallel to the International Red Cross. Perhaps called the FMA International Medical Relief Organization. The symbol could be an easily distinguishable red sun, the color representing our secularity, and the sun representing the fact that it is that particular star that makes life possible on earth."

Eldegaard picked up her phone a second before it rang, and spoke for a second.

"I would like to ask that the FMA consider taking action in the recent strife in Amadjiah (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547110)."

Edit: "On an aside, I suggest the FMA create a parallel to the International Red Cross. Perhaps called the FMA International Medical Relief Organization. The symbol could be an easily distinguishable red sun, the color representing our secularity, and the sun representing the fact that it is that particular star that makes life possible on earth."

Von Straiten: "Yes, when we have finished the charter, we should take action against Amadjiah. My nations is already intervening and attempting to reach a diplomatic solution to the problem. Also we do agree with the idea of an international aid organization as a branch of our alliance, although, calling it a red sun might give the impression that we favor sun worshipers. We should call it by its proper name, Sol.

"I am not suggesting we call it the red sun. I feel that IMRO would work fine.

"As for Amadijah, President Baudoin has also sent a message attempting to open up diplomatic discussions with the nation, and has promised that so long as they accept negotiators, that no nation of the FMA would attack them.

"Since it will be part of our charter that we are to attempt a diplomatic solution first, please do not make a liar out of him."

occ: okay, how about this....

Ic:

A courier barged into the meeting.

"Message from the Royal Parliament of Zoingo," the messenger said, and put a copy of the Zoingonian Times on the table for everyone to see.
Refering to top of page.....

The members looked at him then glanced at the paper. Hobels eyes watered and his lip quivered at the thought of the mass murder that just took place.

Hobels stood and with a booming voice spoke: People, valiant members of the Free Mind Alliance, one of our allied nations has fell victim to the evils we have sworn to fight. Let us bring the nation of Zoingo humanitarian aid just as we would to other countries ravaged by such actions of extremism.

"I am not suggesting we call it the red sun. I feel that IMRO would work fine.

"As for Amadijah, President Baudoin has also sent a message attempting to open up diplomatic discussions with the nation, and has promised that so long as they accept negotiators, that no nation of the FMA would attack them.

"Since it will be part of our charter that we are to attempt a diplomatic solution first, please do not make a liar out of him."

Von Straiten: What does IMRO stand for? Do not worry, we will not make a liar out of your leader.

Creus:" I respectfully disagree. Generals should fight wars not administer conquered territories although logistically this would be sound. However, by imposing a military government we risk being labelled as an "occupying power". Perhaps we can provide for civilian bureaucrats to take the lead in an interim government with the military relegated to a supporting role."

''I understand where you are coming from.''


OOC: Once we get the charter decided on and the alliance actually official, can we create a new thread for the discussion of which conflicts to become involved in and other things relating to the alliance?

The members looked at him then glanced at the paper. Hobels eyes watered and his lip quivered at the thought of the mass murder that just took place.

Hobels stood and with a booming voice spoke: People, valiant members of the Free Mind Alliance, one of our allied nations has fell victim to the evils we have sworn to fight. Let us bring the nation of Zoingo humanitarian aid just as we would to other countries ravaged by such actions of extremism.

OOC: I am just ignoring DWV. He is just some troll that likes attention.

Von Straiten: What does IMRO stand for? Do not worry, we will not make a liar out of your leader.

OOC: International Medical Relief Organization, what I called it when I first mentioned it.

''I understand where you are coming from.''


OOC: Once we get the charter decided on and the alliance actually official, can we create a new thread for the discussion of which conflicts to become involved in and other things relating to the alliance?

OOC: I think we should.

An aide whispered a few words to Creus before he spoke up:

"My Friends, I believe we have done much on the charter but it seems Citizen Eldegaard's proposal on Amadjiah is quite urgent. My government has already taken action regarding this both to protect our citizens and to stand up as a member of this Alliance. And other members have also followed Yanitaria's lead. I believe this is a perfect time to show the world what the FMA is all about. Let us all close ranks on this issue. Perhaps we can issue a joint statement on this matter and begin coordinating our diplomacy? And should negotiations fail, our military stands ready."

OOC:
Due to the incessant non-reply from DWV. He has sealed the fate of the person that I have caught from his nation in mine. And Thus it begins....

IC:
The time has come and gone. With no responce from DoubleWideville, he has sealed the fate of the insurgent/terrorist....



OOC:
Will Finish Later

An aide whispered a few words to Creus before he spoke up:

"My Friends, I believe we have done much on the charter but it seems Citizen Eldegaard's proposal on Amadjiah is quite urgent. My government has already taken action regarding this both to protect our citizens and to stand up as a member of this Alliance. And other members have also followed Yanitaria's lead. I believe this is a perfect time to show the world what the FMA is all about. Let us all close ranks on this issue. Perhaps we can issue a joint statement on this matter and begin coordinating our diplomacy? And should negotiations fail, our military stands ready."

"Indeed. It seems that British Londinium, ever a maker of horrendous mistakes, has sided with the nation. They appear to have deployed troops to that nation. We are watching the situation closely."

(ooc- I think this war is won, DWV's leader only talks like one every 3 days, and there country is verry poorly defended. I think the allies won)

(ooc- I think this war is won, DWV's leader only talks like one every 3 days, and there country is verry poorly defended. I think the allies won)

OOC: Indeed. I'm tempted just to say we found him and report the trial.

OOC: Indeed. I'm tempted just to say we found him and report the trial.

GASP! GODMODE! ;)

"Indeed. It seems that British Londinium, ever a maker of horrendous mistakes, has sided with the nation. They appear to have deployed troops to that nation. We are watching the situation closely."

Hobels: By siding with an extremist nation thier government has violated our rules, it is urgent that we prevent them from causing more mass suffering. We all remember their infamous history.

General: Agreed, however one thing puzzles me, their nation was nuked because of their crimes against humanity and freedom...their nation and it's people have been damaged, the nuclear strike should have left them militarily and economically weakened. Why would they support a nation on our target list if they are too weak to fight a full scale war?

Hobels: By siding with an extremist nation thier government has violated our rules, it is urgent that we prevent them from causing more mass suffering. We all remember their infamous history.

General: Agreed, however one thing puzzles me, their nation was nuked because of their crimes against humanity and freedom...their nation and it's people have been damaged, the nuclear strike should have left them militarily and economically weakened. Why would they support a nation on our target list if they are too weak to fight a full scale war?

Von Straiten: That is a good point. They may be planning something. I think that prudence would be good in this matter. We do not want to rush into anything with out knowing what is happening, for even the largest armies can be out thought, and out maneuvered by lesser opponents. Also I think we have about what we need for the charter, if someone will bring it all together, we can talk about additions to it at a later time, such as the international relief organization, etc. as time is essential now, and that is not crucial to the day-to-day operations of the alliance.

Von Straiten: That is a good point. They may be planning something. I think that prudence would be good in this matter. We do not want to rush into anything with out knowing what is happening, for even the largest armies can be out thought, and out maneuvered by lesser opponents. Also I think we have about what we need for the charter, if someone will bring it all together, we can talk about additions to it at a later time, such as the international relief organization, etc. as time is essential now, and that is not crucial to the day-to-day operations of the alliance.

General: I propose we send in a small elite special ops squad to see what those British Londiniumites are up too.

Hobels: Remember General there are rules and regulations that you must follow when making military actions.

Just then a courier entered.

Courier: Dispatch from INTEL *leaves file (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545589) on table for everyone to see*

Hobels: Yes....that incident was one of the reasons I proposed a Free Mind Alliance in the first place. This particular conflict has pulled on for long enough. Let us make decisive action.

Eldegaard: We would be willing to participate against Mhoudia with 1,000,000 men, and 2 Carrier groups, but we must request air and naval support, as the USSY's main focus is on the land forces and coast guard.

Eldegaard: We would be willing to participate against Mhoudia with 1,000,000 men, and 2 Carrier groups, but we must request air and naval support, as the USSY's main focus is on the land forces and coast guard.

General: leave that to me, the main reason South Lizasauria has an empire right now is because of our fleet and air force. The forces under my command will aid you. Just tell me where you'll need my ships and planes.

Official Government Message

We regret to announce that while we stand for the principles of this alliance and wish to work to see it become effective in eliminating religious extremism, we cannot at this time, offer any large scale military or economic support. A previous commitment now requires our full attention. However, we will still offer our nation up as a place for medical facilities or to launch attacks from. We still also offer the services of our special operations forces and intelligence gathering forces. May an end come swiftly to both of our operations.

General: Eldagaard? Where do you need air and naval support exactly?

Eldegaard: "Ah, I am not sure. Allow Yanitaria to enter the war along side your troops, and allow them to call in tactical air and naval support. If our ships could rendezvous with yours, our troops can land."

OOC: Sorry, I didn't realize you were expecting a reply. I have to go to the night, but I will tag the thread and possibly announce my involvement.

Eldegaard: "Ah, I am not sure. Allow Yanitaria to enter the war along side your troops, and allow them to call in tactical air and naval support. If our ships could rendezvous with yours, our troops can land."

OOC: Sorry, I didn't realize you were expecting a reply. I have to go to the night, but I will tag the thread and possibly announce my involvement.

General: Alright then. So it is agreed.

we plegde to help this alliance in any way possible

we plegde to help this alliance in any way possible

Hobels: Welcome aboard, the more nations supporting our righteous cause the better.

Hobels then noticed a folder on the table with the words "TOP SECRET: Operation Broken Grasp (for the eyes of Free Mind High Command only)" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547247)

To: The Leaders of the Free Mind Alliance
From: The Holy Empire of Imota

As a former theocracy, the Holy Empire of Imota is painfully aware of the destruction and suffering caused by those who wage war in the name of religion. Our ability to provide combat troops will be limited by the public's general reluctance to commit fighting forces abroad, but we are willing to provide the Alliance with supplies (including weapons and ammunition), support personnel, and financial backing.

Godspeed, and may compassion and hope triumph over hate and anger.

Signed,

Tyson Leedsmeyer, Minister of Foreign Affairs (Acting)
Nolan Baguirre, Prime Minister
Lania I, Empress

To: The Leaders of the Free Mind Alliance
From: The Holy Empire of Imota

As a former theocracy, the Holy Empire of Imota is painfully aware of the destruction and suffering caused by those who wage war in the name of religion. Our ability to provide combat troops will be limited by the public's general reluctance to commit fighting forces abroad, but we are willing to provide the Alliance with supplies (including weapons and ammunition), support personnel, and financial backing.

Godspeed, and may compassion and hope triumph over hate and anger.

Signed,

Tyson Leedsmeyer, Minister of Foreign Affairs (Acting)
Nolan Baguirre, Prime Minister
Lania I, Empress

Welcome, your help is much appreciated.

General: I propose we send in a small elite special ops squad to see what those British Londiniumites are up too.

Hobels: Remember General there are rules and regulations that you must follow when making military actions.

Creus: We have a Battalion of Special Forces at hand. They will prove themselves useful in this operation. Just tell us where to send them and what to do.

Just then a courier entered.

Courier: Dispatch from INTEL *leaves file (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545589) on table for everyone to see*

Hobels: Yes....that incident was one of the reasons I proposed a Free Mind Alliance in the first place. This particular conflict has pulled on for long enough. Let us make decisive action.

Creus: The Federation 9th Fleet under Adm. Mangahas can provide you with additional air and naval support. Our government has told me that they are already en route.

The Black Imperium has pulled back all of our nation's troops to return home from Doublewideville. We no longer see Doublewideville as being worth the suffering and death of our troops at their hands. We leave the fighting now to whoever remains, wishing them a successful campaign and an eventual glorious victory over the crumbling terrorist nation.

Lord Der'Khaine
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

OOC: I am no longer going to watch the godmode feast between Ryou, Greal, and Doublewideville. I have better things to do than watch a trio of poor RPers godmode over a meaningless war. Best of luck to those of you who remain. But don't expect any reward if you ever win.

The Black Imperium has pulled back all of our nation's troops to return home from Doublewideville. We no longer see Doublewideville as being worth the suffering and death of our troops at their hands. We leave the fighting now to whoever remains, wishing them a successful campaign and an eventual glorious victory over the crumbling terrorist nation.

Lord Der'Khaine
Ruler of Darthalia
Lord Inquisitor of the Black Imperium

OOC: I am no longer going to watch the godmode feast between Ryou, Greal, and Doublewideville. I have better things to do than watch a trio of poor RPers godmode over a meaningless war. Best of luck to those of you who remain. But don't expect any reward if you ever win.

OOC:
You show 'em dude..

Creus spoke up: "I've been receiving reports to field officials near Amadjiah that several countries are sending troops into the country to stop the genocide. although these are well-intentioned, we fear that they might jeopardize the negotiations the Beatus and Yanitaria are conducting with the Amadjian leader. How should the FMA react to these countries?"

OOC: n00k DEM!

IC:

Eldegaard: Should we do anything? It seems to me that a large nation would just steamroll the government. And that one, Pudo or something, it's called, doesn't seem to be responing to any sort of diplomatic pleas.

Although it seems to me that they are simply being pig ignorant.

OOC: i joined this thread, but was ignored by the thread starter, hope he/she double check the thread,

TO: South Lizasauria
FROM: Mistetopia
---
Count us in.
---
President Harry Miste

TO: South Lizasauria
FROM: Mistetopia
---
Count us in.
---
President Harry Miste

IC: We welcome your to our alliance.

OOC: i joined this thread, but was ignored by the thread starter, hope he/she double check the thread,

OOC: Sorry about that.

OOC: n00k DEM!

IC:

Eldegaard: Should we do anything? It seems to me that a large nation would just steamroll the government. And that one, Pudo or something, it's called, doesn't seem to be responing to any sort of diplomatic pleas.

Although it seems to me that they are simply being pig ignorant.

Creus: "True, this Pudu is like a drunk with a knife. and there are a lot of other countries jumping in on this war. our negotiations can't continue in this climate. My government has already sent a fleet to help the South Lizsaurians pacify the area. But our two navies can't cover them all."

Creus: "True, this Pudu is like a drunk with a knife. and there are a lot of other countries jumping in on this war. our negotiations can't continue in this climate. My government has already sent a fleet to help the South Lizsaurians pacify the area. But our two navies can't cover them all."

Gilliam Esteval, newly appointed Imotan ambassador to the FMA: "I do not mean to intrude, but my government is willing to provide a number of ships and ground troops to support Alliance forces in Amadjiah. Will this be acceptable?"

To: South Lizasauria
From: The Grand World Order Office of Foreign Affairs

We have recieved your invitation and accept to help fight the war against cultist psychopaths worldwide. However, we must stay out of the Amadjiah conflict for political reasons.

(ooc - don't know if it's too late but here's my attempt at dropping in.)

To: Coalition Forces
From: Veritaso Foreign Affairs
---

Although we agree in what you are striving to achieve, our nation's priorities deny us that possibility. What we do offer though is access to precision stealth strikes to GPS locations provided by your forces. We can guarantee precision to 2 meters, with controlled explosion ranges and types. All we ask for are landing spots on your carriers. Our nation is one of closed borders, we apologize for not being able to do more.

---
Veritaso Foreign Affairs

The USSY must regretfully inform you, that because of threats of war in our region, and because of the inherent instability of making major changes to the government, we must withdraw all fleets home until further notice.

We will still participate heavily in intelligence gathering, and special operations, as well as sending all religious criminals described in the charter to FMA courts.

Gilliam Esteval, newly appointed Imotan ambassador to the FMA: "I do not mean to intrude, but my government is willing to provide a number of ships and ground troops to support Alliance forces in Amadjiah. Will this be acceptable?"

Creus:"Thank you. The Federation would welcome this move. Our fleets in Amadjiah are quite small compared to the hordes swarming to intervene especially now that Yanitaria was forced to pull out its ships."

Von Straiten: I have some bad news. Things in the homeland are not going well. War looms like a black cloud over our region, and as such we feel the need to withdraw all none essential military personnel from they're foreign postings, and therefore will also be unable to support this alliance, which we have yet to join, militarily, if we chose to join. I will remain, of course, because I am not essential to military operations, and I am probably safer here anyway. I will attempt to keep you all up to date on the developing situation in my nation, and its region, and, hopefully, the light of the Great Bob will shine down on those who wish for war, and this time of darkness will end soon.

Von Straiten: I have some bad news. Things in the homeland are not going well. War looms like a black cloud over our region, and as such we feel the need to withdraw all none essential military personnel from they're foreign postings, and therefore will also be unable to support this alliance, which we have yet to join, militarily, if we chose to join. I will remain, of course, because I am not essential to military operations, and I am probably safer here anyway. I will attempt to keep you all up to date on the developing situation in my nation, and its region, and, hopefully, the light of the Great Bob will shine down on those who wish for war, and this time of darkness will end soon.

Creus:"That is most unfortunate. The Federation is saddened by the Beatus withdrawal at a time when we have several overseas commitments. But as a friend of Beatus the Visayan Peoples understands. if there is any way in which we may be of assistance military or otherwise we shall provide it."

Creus:"That is most unfortunate. The Federation is saddened by the Beatus withdrawal at a time when we have several overseas commitments. But as a friend of Beatus the Visayan Peoples understands. if there is any way in which we may be of assistance military or otherwise we shall provide it."

Von Straiten: Hopefully, we will never have to take you up on that offer. Sometimes I wonder why we all can't just be friends. Why can't we all just be friends?

OOC: Because nobody likes you.


(obviously joking, we all love you beatus!)

Esteval: "I have received word from my government that the Navy has moved a large fleet to within two hundred miles of the Amadjiah coast. I have also been told that they will wait for instructions from Alliance forces on the ground and provide support where it is needed."

OOC: I've been gone a while. Did I miss anything? :p

IC:

South Lizasaurian agent/veteran: Long ago, our armed forces under the World Police Alliance got involved in the Cripistani war...I was one of the Armored Infantry minigunners sent down to deal with the rebels. We won militarily but all too soon we found out that we have only made things worse...not better. We went in to stop the rebels from committing religious genocide but as we defeated them, the Cripistani people began a genocide of the rebel faction and their religion. Ever since then there has been a holy war going on. This is something that has to be settled once and for all, and to make sure we do not repeat our mistakes, before we act we must discuss how to deal with the broken up nation of Cripistan and how we want things in that nation so that all religions, that do not fall under the category of blatantly evil, can coexist peacefully. Their people have suffered enough. Being South Lizasaurian we have had our share of bloody civil war and we know how horrific it is too. *leaves file on table* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547533)

Hobels: Indeed. Those people deserve intellectual freedom, however as the veteran here stated, we cannot simply rush in. In order to ovoid repitition of our[South Lizasaurian military] errors we must discuss how to handle this.


OOC: I think the table which all important issues are placed on should have a special name to add to NS historical significance like the "diligence" table or the "mental liberty" table.

The Orbathain General stood. This is the conflict we are commiting all our manpower too. This is why we can't commit anywehre else. It is an extremely volitile area, one wrongdoing can send these people back into years of fighting. I've established two states, however, as you can see, they've bgun to fight. I've got them sealed away from each other, no Morian can enter Armani and vise versa.

Another courier came in.

Courier: Sirs...I beleive you need to see this. *places file on desk* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=13378642)

Creus:"Well, what about Amadjiah and Mhoudia?"

Creus:"Well, what about Amadjiah and Mhoudia?"

Lt General: *rises* General sir! Permission to deal with the Crapooza crisis while you focus on the other two situations.Sir!

General: Granted Lt. General. I think that answers your question Creus. My XO will take some troops and help the Crapoozans while our troops handle the other two situations.

Hobels: Very good General...*face XO* Lt. General. Well gentlemen, problem averted. May freedom swiftly prevail over the lands we seek to liberate. Justice be done!

OFFICIAL MESSAGE OF THE ARMED REPUBLIC OF TOORI

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We greatly appologise for our absence. We would have replied to your requests sooner, however, the majority of our nations focus has been militarily directed towards the various factions of the Red States as of late, rendering communication with others unprioritized. After reviewing the proposed alliance, its causes, and the ones who are currently upholding it, we have decided that these subjects and values align almost perfectly with the basis of which the Armed Republic of Toori was founded upon. We have strived for religious equality, as well, if not even more so than racial equality, given the composition of our populace. It is most enpowering to see, for example, a Toori Christian fighting along side a Toori Muslim, and many is that a frequent sight. All are equal in the eyes of whichever higher entity our people worship. And it is because of that very reason that the Toori has been pursecuted both publicly, and militaristicaly by many of the extremist factions of the world. And it is because of that very reason that the High Consulate, Consulate, and general rule of the people have agreed to submit this declaration in hense to our efforts and yours.

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OFFICIAL DECLARATION OF THE ARMED REPUBLIC OF TOORI

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On behalf of submitting this official document to those entitled, The Armed Republic of Toori hearby announces its agreement, acknowledgement, and alignment of the terms submitted by the nations participating, and hearby state our intension of joining The Free Mind Alliance, open on all terms including: trade, defence, and any other support able to be rendered per requirements of the situation.


Truthfully,



-General ruling of The Armed Republic of Toori-

Von Straiten: Something must be done!

**He turned the portable television he had on the table, so the rest could see the screen, and turned up the volume.**

Breaking News(News Broadcast Theme Music)

"This is Roe Leif, broadcasting live from Ft. Porter, deep with in the Beatus, where the Beatusian military is still holding on against the Blessed Guards. You may have heard reports of fighting within the Beatus, well it is true. If you don't believe me see for your self," Roe said as the camera panned to show fighting erupting at the main gate. The camera man had moved up to the top of one of the guard towers, and was looking down on the battle unfolding. The Beatusian Army was firing on dozens of white pickup trucks, with machine guns mounted on the back, charging the main gate. Within minutes the pickups opened fire on the base. Machine gun bullets were whizzing back and forth. The scene continued for minutes as you see people dropping on each side. Then a stay bullet caught the camera man, and the camera panned up showing the sky above. Then the single was cut.

**Flashed across the screen. Then he through a copy of the local newspaper down on the table, in it was a copy of an article**


Urgent News

Dateline, The City of the Blessed

We now have confermed reports from the military, that Jim Lange, is being held captive by Arch Prior, Giorgio Huttlebump. Situation is deteriorating fast, as I am sure you have seen the news video of the clashes between the military and Blessed Guards. The Blessed Guards are running rampant in the streets. They have imposed a curfew. If anyone is caught on the streets after 6 pm, they are shot on sight. Anyone who speaks out against them is burned in the town square, at noon, while everyone else is forced to watch, or they will be shot on sight. They have issued a new set of laws, named the "Huttlebump Codes," they forbid any other religion other than the path. They also call for each person to pay a "tax" of 10 Nokka for each child daily. Many high ranking leaders of the Path have spoken out against Arch Prior Huttlebump's action, at which time they were shot. The dead are piling up. Daily, there are 50 or more killed, in this city alone. I will not sign this article, for if I did, I would surely be found, and shot. Many are seeking, and have found safety with the military, but they can only house so many people, and many refuse to leave they're homes to seek refuge. We call for the international community to demand the release of Jim Lange, and the arrest of Arch Prior Huttlebump. We beg for your help, the longer you delay, the more people who will die.

I ask that you please publish the above article, ASAP, in any and all forms possible.

Signed,
Anonymous

OFFICIAL MESSAGE OF THE ARMED REPUBLIC OF TOORI

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We greatly appologise for our absence. We would have replied to your requests sooner, however, the majority of our nations focus has been militarily directed towards the various factions of the Red States as of late, rendering communication with others unprioritized. After reviewing the proposed alliance, its causes, and the ones who are currently upholding it, we have decided that these subjects and values align almost perfectly with the basis of which the Armed Republic of Toori was founded upon. We have strived for religious equality, as well, if not even more so than racial equality, given the composition of our populace. It is most enpowering to see, for example, a Toori Christian fighting along side a Toori Muslim, and many is that a frequent sight. All are equal in the eyes of whichever higher entity our people worship. And it is because of that very reason that the Toori has been pursecuted both publicly, and militaristicaly by many of the extremist factions of the world. And it is because of that very reason that the High Consulate, Consulate, and general rule of the people have agreed to submit this declaration in hense to our efforts and yours.

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OFFICIAL DECLARATION OF THE ARMED REPUBLIC OF TOORI

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On behalf of submitting this official document to those entitled, The Armed Republic of Toori hearby announces its agreement, acknowledgement, and alignment of the terms submitted by the nations participating, and hearby state our intension of joining The Free Mind Alliance, open on all terms including: trade, defence, and any other support able to be rendered per requirements of the situation.


Truthfully,



-General ruling of The Armed Republic of Toori-

Hobels receieved the document. He like many South Lizasaurians of his age have not forgotten the aid given to them by their Toori allies.

Hobels: I am pleased that now our closest ally is now a part of the alliance that we all hope succeeds in purging the world of religious misdoings.

Von Straiten: Something must be done!

**He turned the portable television he had on the table, so the rest could see the screen, and turned up the volume.**

Breaking News(News Broadcast Theme Music)

"This is Roe Leif, broadcasting live from Ft. Porter, deep with in the Beatus, where the Beatusian military is still holding on against the Blessed Guards. You may have heard reports of fighting within the Beatus, well it is true. If you don't believe me see for your self," Roe said as the camera panned to show fighting erupting at the main gate. The camera man had moved up to the top of one of the guard towers, and was looking down on the battle unfolding. The Beatusian Army was firing on dozens of white pickup trucks, with machine guns mounted on the back, charging the main gate. Within minutes the pickups opened fire on the base. Machine gun bullets were whizzing back and forth. The scene continued for minutes as you see people dropping on each side. Then a stay bullet caught the camera man, and the camera panned up showing the sky above. Then the single was cut.

**Flashed across the screen. Then he through a copy of the local newspaper down on the table, in it was a copy of an article**


Urgent News

Dateline, The City of the Blessed

We now have confermed reports from the military, that Jim Lange, is being held captive by Arch Prior, Giorgio Huttlebump. Situation is deteriorating fast, as I am sure you have seen the news video of the clashes between the military and Blessed Guards. The Blessed Guards are running rampant in the streets. They have imposed a curfew. If anyone is caught on the streets after 6 pm, they are shot on sight. Anyone who speaks out against them is burned in the town square, at noon, while everyone else is forced to watch, or they will be shot on sight. They have issued a new set of laws, named the "Huttlebump Codes," they forbid any other religion other than the path. They also call for each person to pay a "tax" of 10 Nokka for each child daily. Many high ranking leaders of the Path have spoken out against Arch Prior Huttlebump's action, at which time they were shot. The dead are piling up. Daily, there are 50 or more killed, in this city alone. I will not sign this article, for if I did, I would surely be found, and shot. Many are seeking, and have found safety with the military, but they can only house so many people, and many refuse to leave they're homes to seek refuge. We call for the international community to demand the release of Jim Lange, and the arrest of Arch Prior Huttlebump. We beg for your help, the longer you delay, the more people who will die.

I ask that you please publish the above article, ASAP, in any and all forms possible.

Signed,
Anonymous

General: This is EXACTLY what we're supposed to fight, as members we are obliged to send in troops to liberate the area and back up the Beatus army!

Hobels: General! Are your forces not overstretched too much? *looks at the high ranking officers of the alliance from various member nations* Are any nations here militarilly ready to liberate our allies and the poor souls under their guns of oppression?

The South Lizasaurian generals both Lizasaur and human alike muttered to each other. Most of them were busy fighting Grecians or fighting cultists under Free Mind orders.

General: This is EXACTLY what we're supposed to fight, as members we are obliged to send in troops to liberate the area and back up the Beatus army!

Hobels: General! Are your forces not overstretched too much? *looks at the high ranking officers of the alliance from various member nations* Are any nations here militarilly ready to liberate our allies and the poor souls under their guns of oppression?

The South Lizasaurian generals both Lizasaur and human alike muttered to each other. Most of them were busy fighting Grecians or fighting cultists under Free Mind orders.

Toorian human, protoss, and lizasaurian representatives were present. The lizasaur male was clearly of higher authority of the three, though all were clad in standard Toorian NTOU (Naval Tactical Operations Uniform) which consisted of charcoal-grey, metalic body armor (chest plate, back plate, shoulder pads, thigh pads, and shin pads). All of which was worn over a deep blue, wet-suit like, skin tight balistics gel layer/battle insulation made of clasified materials.

The Lizasaur male had numerous accents of metalic violet/purple on his armor pads, indicating he was most likely the rank of Fleetmaster, one of the highest Toorian ranks. His sharp, smooth, shark-like, metalic helmet reflected the light in the room like an obsidian stone as he turned his oblong, raptor-like head to speak to the SLs. "The Toori is prepared to make such contributions, however, all the consulate is willing to lend at the moment is Close Air Support, and moderate naval activity. Any terral surface militance we can provide is strictly limited. Our atmospheric forces are potent, however, that itself cannot cease a conflict without considerable loss of non-combatant life. If only we would be able to receave ground support from another nation willing..."

Toorian human, protoss, and lizasaurian representatives were present. The lizasaur male was clearly of higher authority of the three, though all were clad in standard Toorian NTOU (Naval Tactical Operations Uniform) which consisted of charcoal-grey, metalic body armor (chest plate, back plate, shoulder pads, thigh pads, and shin pads. All of which was worn over a deep blue, wet-suit like, skin tight balistics gel layer/battle insulation made of clasified materials.

The Lizasaur male had numerous accents of metalic violet/purple on his armor pads, indicating he was most likely the rank of Fleetmaster, one of the highest Toorian ranks. His sharp, smooth, shark-like, metalic helmet reflected the light in the room like an obsidian stone as he turned his oblong, raptor-like head to speak to the SLs. "The Toori is prepared to make such contributions, however, all the consulate is willing to lend at the moment is Close Air Support, and moderate naval activity. Any terral surface militance we can provide is strictly limited. Our atmospheric forces are potent, however, that itself cannot cease a conflict without considerable loss of non-combatant life. If only we would be able to receave ground support from another nation willing..."

The other South Lizasaurian generals desired to repay their debt to the Toori but couldn't, this caused twitches and fidgeting and other nervous afflictions.

General: I'm sorry, our ground troops are a little overstretched or occupied at the moment.

The other South Lizasaurian generals desired to repay their debt to the Toori but couldn't, this caused twitches and fidgeting and other nervous afflictions.

General: I'm sorry, our ground troops are a little overstretched or occupied at the moment.

Von Straiten: I wish I could do something, like provide you guys with intelligence or something, but I can't, I'm completely cut off right now. I'm not military I'm regular government, and they are now under the control of a religious extremists. I want to make that clear too! There are reports that he has killed many well like and respected religious leaders in my nation, for speaking out against his extremist views. These are not the views of a religion, but of a mad man.

General: We can send in special ops.

Official Announcement of the United States of Allanea


Since the beginning of time men sought to secure themselves against those whose religion seemed 'abhorrent', 'dangerous', or 'strange' to them. Christians were fed to lions. Muslims were hunted. Jews were put into gas chambers. Branch Davidians were burned alive. Mormons were chased across a continent. Many members of smaller religions received various degrees of mistreatment, from fines to separation from their children to outright genocide.

The face religious intolerance takes is different at all times. Take, for example, the Free Mind Alliance. Instead of issuing a call against 'terrorism' (which would be good and proper by anyone's definition), they issue a call against 'armed cult activity'. What that is anybody's guess.

In Allanea we have the Sisters of Liberty – an armed cult whose representatives believe God orders them to volunteer ceaselessly in the cause of liberty and good will towards men. We have the Branch Davidian Church Revived with its armored complexes just within Liberty-City itself. We have Scientologists, Joel's Army members, and even a variety of Evangelical Christians, a fact that must truly stick in the craw of militant secularists,

We do not consider these 'armed cults' a threat to the individual liberty of any other Allanean, and frankly, we believe – and have always believed – the so-called anti-cult movement to be a greater threat to freedom than a thousand preachers.

This is a warning to all those who seek to impose their vision of religion on Allaneans by force: Don't even try.

Mess with us or our allies and you will die.

We will kill you. We will come and kill, you, and your loved ones, and we will destroy all that you love. We will purge your secularist armies from the face of the Earth. We will burn your schools. We will slaughter your public officials and make monuments of their severed heads. We will know no mercy, should you but threaten our liberty or the security of our allies.

Are we clear on this?

Official Announcement of the United States of Allanea


Since the beginning of time men sought to secure themselves against those whose religion seemed 'abhorrent', 'dangerous', or 'strange' to them. Christians were fed to lions. Muslims were hunted. Jews were put into gas chambers. Branch Davidians were burned alive. Mormons were chased across a continent. Many members of smaller religions received various degrees of mistreatment, from fines to separation from their children to outright genocide.

The face religious intolerance takes is different at all times. Take, for example, the Free Mind Alliance. Instead of issuing a call against 'terrorism' (which would be good and proper by anyone's definition), they issue a call against 'armed cult activity'. What that is anybody's guess.

In Allanea we have the Sisters of Liberty – an armed cult whose representatives believe God orders them to volunteer ceaselessly in the cause of liberty and good will towards men. We have the Branch Davidian Church Revived with its armored complexes just within Liberty-City itself. We have Scientologists, Joel's Army members, and even a variety of Evangelical Christians, a fact that must truly stick in the craw of militant secularists,

We do not consider these 'armed cults' a threat to the individual liberty of any other Allanean, and frankly, we believe – and have always believed – the so-called anti-cult movement to be a greater threat to freedom than a thousand preachers.

This is a warning to all those who seek to impose their vision of religion on Allaneans by force: Don't even try.

Mess with us or our allies and you will die.

We will kill you. We will come and kill, you, and your loved ones, and we will destroy all that you love. We will purge your secularist armies from the face of the Earth. We will burn your schools. We will slaughter your public officials and make monuments of their severed heads. We will know no mercy, should you but threaten our liberty or the security of our allies.

Are we clear on this?

OFFICIAL REPLY FROM THE ARMED REPUBLIC OF TOORI
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Firstly, we wish to acknowledge the stance put forth by your nation. We wish to add, and in belief on the behalf of the FMA, that we have no intention of the pursecution of religious entities, armed or unarmed. As long as they have no intent of extremism such as a jihad or a cruisade, or any acts involving the pursecution of ones that are unlike them. As your country views, the Toori has welcomed the brotherhood of many different religions. Though we may not have armed groups representing souly those religions, the people of the Toori have a long tradition of militia, most, if not all of which are comprised of those from numerous religious backgrounds and tradition, and as of yet, no Toorian has shead another Toorians blood due to the difference of their worship.





Secondly, we highly advise the Allaneans never to speak to us in such a way again. We are reasonable and patient to warnings, however, you have crossed far over such a boundary. If your concern is for your people, then purhaps you should reconsider your foolish taunt, so that they not be recognized as low and idiotic as the words you have spoken.


Are we clear on this?




Truthfully,



-High Consular Iruunik-
Commanding Officer
FLR IFO

~The Armed Republic of Toori~

Official Announcement of the United States of Allanea


Since the beginning of time men sought to secure themselves against those whose religion seemed 'abhorrent', 'dangerous', or 'strange' to them. Christians were fed to lions. Muslims were hunted. Jews were put into gas chambers. Branch Davidians were burned alive. Mormons were chased across a continent. Many members of smaller religions received various degrees of mistreatment, from fines to separation from their children to outright genocide.

The face religious intolerance takes is different at all times. Take, for example, the Free Mind Alliance. Instead of issuing a call against 'terrorism' (which would be good and proper by anyone's definition), they issue a call against 'armed cult activity'. What that is anybody's guess.

In Allanea we have the Sisters of Liberty – an armed cult whose representatives believe God orders them to volunteer ceaselessly in the cause of liberty and good will towards men. We have the Branch Davidian Church Revived with its armored complexes just within Liberty-City itself. We have Scientologists, Joel's Army members, and even a variety of Evangelical Christians, a fact that must truly stick in the craw of militant secularists,

We do not consider these 'armed cults' a threat to the individual liberty of any other Allanean, and frankly, we believe – and have always believed – the so-called anti-cult movement to be a greater threat to freedom than a thousand preachers.

This is a warning to all those who seek to impose their vision of religion on Allaneans by force: Don't even try.

Mess with us or our allies and you will die.

We will kill you. We will come and kill, you, and your loved ones, and we will destroy all that you love. We will purge your secularist armies from the face of the Earth. We will burn your schools. We will slaughter your public officials and make monuments of their severed heads. We will know no mercy, should you but threaten our liberty or the security of our allies.

Are we clear on this?

To the United States of Allanea,

We are here to deal with religious extremism, and extremists, not armed cults. We have problems with religious organizations that propagate the intolerance and hatred of other religions. We worked hard to ensure that all parts of our charter were carefully defined to prevent this from becoming what we are trying to fight. We did not specifically state terrorism, as that has no clear definition either. We are sorry you take offense at this organization, but that's tough. If you wish to invade us go ahead, now we are sorry we could not make this longer and better explain our actions, but we must go, as the situation in our nation is quickly descending into a civil war.

Signed,
General Alfredo Bowman
General Simon Branch
Admiral Sigmund Kauffman
The Military Tribunal
The Republic of the Beatus

Ummm.... If we can help.... we could send some super aircraft carriers over there to assist the Beatus... uhhn... if we can, of course. Actually, we are fighting rebels in the highlands of our country, but.... Naval Task Force 19 (Super Aircraft Carrier Karl S. Malk, 5 battle cruisers, 5 missle boats) is free right now. Let us know if you want them.

Ummm.... If we can help.... we could send some super aircraft carriers over there to assist the Beatus... uhhn... if we can, of course. Actually, we are fighting rebels in the highlands of our country, but.... Naval Task Force 19 (Super Aircraft Carrier Karl S. Malk, 5 battle cruisers, 5 missle boats) is free right now. Let us know if you want them.

OOC:
How can your nation afford 19 Navy Task Groups? Your only 2 days old ffs.

Well, we actually have two, but our premiers birthday is on the 19th, so we have the 19th for our premier, and the 20 for our date of creation. 19th is the elite.

Same thing with our divisions of ground units. Out of our 8 million people, and the 4 million men, 2 million are in military, (1 mil in navy, 1 mil in land). So thats the explanation. Want the help, anyway?!

FMA Financer: *walks in and puts several graphs on the table with lines on them* This isn't goos, we're running low on resources, we need some sort of fund raiser.

General: We should try hosting an international storefront. Maybe once we get some more dough we'll be able to hire more personnel. Personally sir[Hobels] this whole affair with the FMA being short on hands[personnel] is beginning to annoy me.

(OOC: South Lizasauria, check your telegrams)

(OOC: South Lizasauria, check your telegrams)

OOC: Checked and responded. :)

OOC: Ball is in your court, SL

Same thing with our divisions of ground units. Out of our 8 million people, and the 4 million men, 2 million are in military, (1 mil in navy, 1 mil in land). So thats the explanation. Want the help, anyway?!

OOC: Do you want to join or just offer help?

IC:

General: Von Straiten? May I give the order to send in commando's to take out the cult leadership? I have special ops on standby...

OOC: Do you want to join or just offer help?

IC:

General: Von Straiten? May I give the order to send in commando's to take out the cult leadership? I have special ops on standby...

(OOC: you asking me?)

(OOC: you asking me?)

OOC: Yes, I'm asking permission to send commandos and spies into cult controlled territory in your nation, the mission is too neatralise the cult by wiping out their supply lines and leadership.

OOC: Do you want to join or just offer help?

IC:

General: Von Straiten? May I give the order to send in commando's to take out the cult leadership? I have special ops on standby...

Von Straiten: I don't know. I've been cut off, I have no intelligence, and no more information than what is one the news. There have been reports that the cultists are not the only ones operating against the government at this time. There are apparently many factions. This is quickly becoming a civil war. I think we should let this settle it self out, this has gone far beyond just a cult takeover, now supporting one faction, will mean not only affecting the cultists, but other factions. I don't think we want to start getting involved in civil wars, not as cut and dry, if you get what I'm saying.

Creus debilitating illness had once again incapacitated him and all but paralyzed the Visayan delegation which was why he was insistent that he be allowed to return to work despite the protests of his physician.

Creus: "Our forces have withdrawn from Mhoudia as we are unable to do anything with only limited resources. Let us hope the region can find peace without us. In Amadjiah we continue our humanitarian efforts as the quagmire does not seem to see much hope for an immediate solution. I have also instructed my staff to submit a draft of our charter incorporating the latest changes to the Alliance, although this might take some time. Any help would be appreciated. The affairs in Beatus also worries my government. Mr. Von Straiten, are you sure we can afford to let this by without any fear of escalating?"

Creus: My aides have finished with the revised draft. Please go over it. Here it is:

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Charter of The Free Mind Alliance

Preamble

We, the united nations of the Free Mind Alliance, hereby form this coalition to suit the purpose of liquidating the evil, the twisted, and the insane parties who commit the following: twist religions and beliefs for any wrong reason, brainwash, use militant force to get their ends, use religion as an excuse to reach their own goals without regard for others including their members, and those who meddle in international affairs.

Article I: Statement of Aims

Section One: The Free Mind Alliance is a multinational coalition formed to combat religious extremists and promote religious toleration and respect for human rights.

Section Two: Religious extremists are group of people under a Religion, claiming supernatural, mystical or divinely-inspired rationale for their beliefs and actions. What differs this from a normal Religion is their actions which often promote hate, and violence, without regard to already established laws. Often these ''extremists'' unite to accomplish a common goal, for example, genocide against another religion. They are the enemies of this Alliance.

Section Three: Every member of the alliance supports free will and shall not wage war on the religion itself, but only against the extremist parties, unless the religion itself in EVERY circumstance is evil and causes only pain. (example:Thuggery)

Section Four: Every member of the alliance shall respect the sovereignty of all states and shall not interfere in crises that may be resolved internally.

Article II: Requirements for Membership

Section One: Nations must be firmly against religious extremism.

Section Two: Nations must practice basic human rights.

Article III: Obligations of Member States

Section One: Members must provide at least a small number of military units both for special operations or intelligence gathering.

Section Two: Members unable to comply with the requirements under Section One of this Article are to provide their scientists, diplomats and other civilian personnel for the Alliance.

Section Three: Members must share intelligence on current and inactive religious extremists.

Section Four: Members must pledge aid, be it diplomatic or military to nations affected by religious extremists.

Section Five: Members must agree to follow any trade embargoes or sanctions enacted by this alliance.

Section Six: Members must promote diplomatic contact between other member nations.

Section Seven: Members must provide a Judge for a term of 4 years, to serve in the Free Mind Alliance Court.

Article IV: The Free Mind Alliance Council

Section One: The Free Mind Alliance Council is the highest governing body of the Alliance.

Section Two: Each Member shall have one representative in the Council and each representative shall have one vote.

Section Three: The Council shall declare which crises demand the Alliance’s attention, determine how the Alliance shall respond, decide on contributions from each member, enforce the decisions of the Alliance and assume other duties necessary for its operations.

Section Five: The Council may amend or revise the Charter by a vote of two-thirds of all its members.

Article V: The Free Mind Alliance Court

Section One: The Free Mind Alliance Court shall try people accused of any crimes relating to religious extremism and apprehended by the Alliance or one or more of its members.

Section Two: Each member shall provide one justice, educated by civilians within their own nation or by civilians in an outside nation. These Justices are to be well versed in aspects of international law and religion.

Section Three: Justices shall serve for a term of four years.

Article VI: Crisis Response

Section One: The actions to be taken by this organization shall be outlined below. They are to be taken in the order listed, with appropriate time for response between each one, unless it is decided by more than 50% of the members that actions should be skipped, or the waiting time waived.

Section Two: For Extremist Governments:

1.) Cut off all diplomatic and economic ties,

2.) Blockade of targets ports, freeze all assets in member nations banks, industries, and businesses.

3.) Attempt to establish diplomatic talks to discuss situation, also begin special forces operations, if deemed necessary. Operations limited to supply and training of locals at this stage.

4.) Step up special forces operations, begin targeting key enemy targets, preparation for invasion. First troops deployed to area, warn enemy of imitate invasion(Warning may be skipped on a case by case basis if more than two members think it will jeopardize our chances of winning, if so immediately begin next step.)

5.) Full stage invasion of enemy territory.

Section Two: For Extremist Organizations Operating under non-Extremist Governments:

1.) Attempt to get government to crack down on organization.

2.) If government is cooperative, but fails to stop organization, offer forces to assist in removal of hostile organization. If government is non-cooperative, use economic and political pressure to attempt to get government to cooperate, if they do see above.

3.) If government is still un-cooperative, than send in special forces to deal with organization, if government attempts to stop them, warn them that if they interfere, military action will be taken, if they do not listen, take military action.

Article VII: Interim Government of Defeated States

Section One: The Alliance shall temporarily assume government of a defeated state, if needed, until such time that a new government shall have been established.

Section Two: The Interim Government shall be headed by an administrative council composed of civilians appointed by the Free Mind Alliance Council.

Section Three: Alliance forces shall remain in the defeated country for peacekeeping and humanitarian purposes until the establishment of a stable government at which time they shall be withdrawn.


Article VIII: The International Medical Relief Organization

Section One: The Council shall establish an International Medical Relief Organization that shall undertake humanitarian missions in its behalf.

Section Two: Its symbol shall be a red sun, the color representing our secularity, and the sun representing the fact that it is that particular star that makes life possible on earth.

Appendix: Definitions of Charter Terms

Basic Human Rights: For the purpose of this document, Basic Human Rights shall be defined as the following rights, the right to clean water, the right to proper sanitation facilities, the right to freedom (I.E. no slaves), the right to free speech, the right to an education, the right to freedom of religion, and the right to have a family, which includes children and a wife.

Religious Extremists: A group of people under a Religion, claiming supernatural, mystical or divinely-inspired rationale for their beliefs and actions. What differs this from a normal Religion is their actions which often promote hate, and violence, without regard to already established laws. Often these ''extremists'' unite to accomplish a common goal, for example, genocide against another religion.

Religious Extremism: When a nations, group, or person uses religion to justify they're own, or others violent actions, or goals. These goals, actions include, but are not limited to, murder, genocide, and war.
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Creus: I must say that we took some liberty on this document. We did more than just stitch together the previous discussions. We have edited the arrangement, grammar and sentence construction of previous drafts to make the document more coherent. We also added Article IV regarding the Council. This has not come up in the discussions but more or less reflects our actual operations. Of course, this is only a draft requiring your approval and open to any revisions you wish to add.

Von Straiten: It sounds good. But we shall wait to hear what others think of it before deciding on it. Also, the leader of the extremists has disappeared, and with out him, the groups seems to be fading away. Right now it is mainly a dispute between the Provincial government, and the military. Hopefully, if Jim Lange, is found, this will all be settled.