NationStates Jolt Archive

Alright, since it appears many would much prefer just an OOC group over an IC network or alliance, figured we'd just go with an OOC group.

NST is for all players of NS. Newer and veterans alike. If you're an older/experienced RPers here on NS - it doesn't matter PT/MT/PMT/FT/Fantasy, nor does it matter what kind of government or political/religious beliefs your nation holds, or its "evil" or "good" orientation - it would be great if you're willing to help train younger/newer NSers on properly RPing, the do's and don'ts, grammer and spelling issues, and so forth. I'd much rather see a future rival ICly and a friend OOCly than to just walk over a newbie now who makes the mistake of bad RPing and starting a war right away as that may lead to losing a potentially great future RPer.

This is not only for military, but every aspect of the game. Character RPs, economy, military, nation building, diplomacy, and so forth.

Also, this is not limited to helping newer NS'ers, but can also help older NSers improve as well.

For those of you willing to become an NS Trainer, please just post and let us know, and I'll add you.
Also, if you want help on improving, please post here and I'll add your name to the below list. You can also post any questions on here too!

Remember, this is a strictly OOC-based group whose goal is pure and simple: improving everyones RP and knowledge of do's and don'ts, etc here on NS to make RPing much more enjoyable.

Most IRC Users:
/server irc.esper.net
/join #NSTrainers

Chatzilla Users:
irc://irc.esper.net/NSTrainers

Current Training Exercises/Programs:
-None-
Please post if you would like to start one.

Official NationStates Trainers ("NST'er")
ViZion (MT) (AIM: hiroism4ever; MSN: hiro55cool@www.com)
Hyperspatial Travel (FT) (MSN: black_hole_army_13@hotmail.com)
The PeoplesFreedom (MT)
Orthodox Gnosticism (FT) (MSN: OrthodoxGnostic@hotmail.com)
Chronosia (FT)
Nueve Italia (MT)
Trailers (FT) (AIM: xxdontpanicxx)
Xeraph (MT)
Ruthless Slaughter (MT)
Kahanistan (MT)
Wandering Argonians (PT, MT, PMT, FT)
Telros (FT)
Velkya (MT)
Nistolonia (MT, PMT, FT)
Marionetonia (MT, PMT, FT, Fantasy)
Balrogga (FT)
Xiscapia (FT)
Jenrak (MT)
Questers (MT)
The Vuhifellian States (PMT)
Dyelli Beybi (NFT)
Uiri (MT)
Amazonian Beasts (PMT, FT)
Gurguvungunit (PT, MT, FT)
Chronosia (FT)
Kostemetsia (FT)
Layarteb (MT)
Anagonia (MT, PMT, FT, Fantasy)
CoreWorlds (FT) (MSN: fastfalconus@yahoo.com)
No endorse (MT, FT)
Borman Empire (MT) (MSN: obsterray@hotmail.com)
DaWoad (MT, PMT)
Oblivion2 (FT, Fantasy)
The Crimm (PT, MT, PMT)
New Greston (MT) (MSN: MichaelofGreston@hotmail.com)
Christopher Thompson (MT, PT), (MSN: razgrizct@hotmail.com, e-mail: razgriz01@gmail.com)
Dynamic Revolution (PMT)
Lynion (MT, PMT, FT, Fantasy) (MSN: Dark_delta22@hotmail.com)
Rithian (PT, MT)

Those requesting help from NST'ers:
Greal
Oily prata
Neijere
Shansekia
ShogunKhan
Buristan
Empire of Tau
United gaming Leauge
Future-Rome
Bellanusia
SilentScope003
Miamoria
Silver Wolf Republic
Dynamic Revolution
Brutland and Norden
The Vuhifellian States
Ohshucksiforgotourname
Solar Communes
Future-Rome
Bienga
The Philippiniada
Crimean Republic
Azemica
kenavt
Kingarmy
Steelios
Serbian_Soviet_Union
Red Talons
Note: These aren't the only ones to help. Whenever you see a new nation posting, help 'em out, and point them to this thread, too.

Here a few key tips and terms
NS - NationStates
II - International Incidents (the forum you're in right now...)
NST'er - NationStates Trainer (obviously, as posted above)
RP - Roleplay
IC - In Character (meaning your RPing)
OOC - Out of Character (meaning you're posting as yourself, not RPing)
Secret IC - Secret IC post to a specific person, or just for reference
PT - Past Technology
MT - Modern Technology
PMT - Post Modern Technology
NFT - Near Future Technology
FT - Future Technology
Fantasy - Fantasy Technology
n00b - Crappy RPer, no matter how long the person's been RPing
Newbie - Different from n00b in that they're new, but not horrible
Godmod - Basically, cheating.
Open - Anyone can join the RP
Semi-Open - Ask for approval before joining
Closed - Unless specified by the creater of the RP, you can't join
Char RP - Character RP, meaning you're RPing as a specific character, not a nation, company, etc.
Sig - Signature
-Don't use the smilies while roleplaying.
-Using correct spelling and grammer is very important! And this will help you with that...
-Don't start a war right away... rather, start up things such as an embassy, an introduction thread, airport, building up your economy by starting companies, doing peaceful roleplays, and making allies, among other things.
-Ask for help if you need it when growing your nation... most of us are more than willing to help across NS - rather they're an official NST'er or not.
-Set it to allow you to see signatures (See further down on how to)
-Set it to auto subscribe to threads (See further down on how to)
-IC and OOC should NEVER be mixed
-Look at the stickies and ASK FOR HELP. :)

Nuclear Newbies (and n00bs)
Please note for all you new nations that it is generally said that you will need to wait til around 100 million people before you can begin to make serious progress in your nuclear department. Please do not simply say "I HAVE N00KS! I BOMB YOU!!!" as that gets you nowhere but ignored or laughed at. Or both. And, for good measure, many will proceed to stomp on you anyway, even after ignoring and laughing at you.

Once you DO obtain your first nuclear weapon, please go ahead and test it, but give some description, talking about where it's taking place, etc. Sometimes you'll get retaliation simply for testing it, but you WILL get retaliation if you go out and 'test' it on a population. It's suggested you watch your step here since you likely wont have the military power and allies to cope with such a retaliation that would turn your country into a very large glass bowl.

In addition, with regards to the 100 million population thing, if a larger nation helps you or simply donates such technology to you, that obviously changes things. However, doing it on your own is when that guideline comes in.

How to See Signatures
-Click "User CP" near top left
-Click "Edit Options" on left side
-Under "Thread Display Options" (third section down), select "Show Signature" check box and then hit "Save Changes" at bottom of page.

How to Subscribe to Threads When You Post In It (So you can find thread easily later - EXTREMELY USEFUL!)
-Click "User CP" near top left
-Click "Edit Options" on left side
-Under "Messaging & Notification" (second section down), the second little area says "Default Thread Subscription Mode" - under there select the drop-down box and select "No Email Notification" and then hit "Save Changes" at bottom of page.

interesting idea.

I'm kinda interested in helping New NS players, I may need a little training myself....:D

interesting idea.

I'm kinda interested in helping New NS players, I may need a little training myself....:D
I'll put you as requesting help first, that way when you improve you can better assist. Sound like a plan?

I'll put you as requesting help first, that way when you improve you can better assist. Sound like a plan?

Okay, sure....:D

Since the bulk of my gaming experience is tabletop, I'd like a few pointers here and there, but I do have to ask how one finds this thread-will it be a sticky for International Incidents or what?

Since the bulk of my gaming experience is tabletop, I'd like a few pointers here and there, but I do have to ask how one finds this thread-will it be a sticky for International Incidents or what?
While being a sticky would definately be preferable (feel free to suggest it, anyone) adding it to peoples signatures and consistant posts would be the other way.

EDIT: See my sig for example...

Like Greal, I also want to help, but I feel I need a firmer base first.

Alright, added you to list of help wanted as well. :)

As you know, I lovethe idea of helping. For now, only in my future-tech capacity, however.

If anyone needs me, my MSN is black_hole_army_13@hotmail.com. For everyone's information, I live in Australia, so if you wanna talk, chances are you'd best be off picking someone who lives nearer your timezone.

Also, Ordo Drakul, if you ever need someone to chat to regarding the FT scene, pick me! I adore the Muri, to say the least.

I'd be willing to help. I can also supply my MSN if wanted.

I would be more than willing to aid anyone who wishes it. (FT) MSN OrthodoxGnostic@hotmail.com I had a lot of help from many great players, so I would love to have the chance to give back to others, especially in the FT scene.

I shall aid those worthy of my knowledge, and devour the unworthy :D

NB: Chron has his specialty in FT and is really a rather nice guy under the depraved and roiling evil :D

I shall aid those worthy of my knowledge, and devour the unworthy :D

NB: Chron has his specialty in FT and is really a rather nice guy under the depraved and roiling evil :D

the ones you want to turn are six planets over :p

I'm up for helping the new guys, sure: always thought it was a great idea anyhow.

Just for reference, I'm an MT RPer

You want those trainers in green or grey?

I'll provide unofficial (and usually sarcastic) assistance if lessons must be taught. But "groups" and "alliances" just make me assume the people joining them are taking this bit waaaay too seriously.

the ones you want to turn are six planets over :p

Wha?

You want those trainers in green or grey?

I'll provide unofficial (and usually sarcastic) assistance if lessons must be taught. But "groups" and "alliances" just make me assume the people joining them are taking this bit waaaay too seriously.
Just trying to organize something...

I don't want to be that annoying little newbie. I could use some training in MT.

Okay, put me down as an FT trainer.

I don't want to be that annoying little newbie. I could use some training in MT.

No shame in asking for help. :)



Viz, do we have to put NSTer in our siggy? :( It just clashes with my roflcakes.

Training is good, but how about this: a couple of us post a few error-ridden paragraphs, pointing out the mistakes? Better yet, let the players who think they need a bit of help point them out.

I personally am a stickler for grammar and spelling. Cohesive, well thought-out sentences are a plus.

What better way to learn than to see what NOT to do?

Also, on my part, I would appreciate those who are adept in FT to perhaps post a chart of some kind describing FT characteristics. Xeraph maintains a presence in space, but I have done very little with it primarily due to my lack of knowledge in things FT. Star Trek TNG is about all I know about FT, and not a hell of a lot of that.

Anyone can contact me at: xeraph1@imap.cc

Posted in the other thread, but the action's moved to here. Count me in. The rest of my alliance that uses the forums (about five more avid/good RPer's) should be joining eventually as well. My AIM is on the little sidebar thingy.

Also, on my part, I would appreciate those who are adept in FT to perhaps post a chart of some kind describing FT characteristics. Xeraph maintains a presence in space, but I have done very little with it primarily due to my lack of knowledge in things FT.

Anyone can contact me at: xeraph1@imap.cc

Easier said than done, friend. The face of FT is pock marked with the post acne uniqueness of the dozens and dozens of various races out there. Other than a few core technologies, like FTL travel (and even the methods of that are diverse) you've got everything from mass drivers to unpronounceable abortions of physics like Bose-Einstein Particle catipultulaters or whatever.

Okay, put me down as an FT trainer.



No shame in asking for help. :)



Viz, do we have to put NSTer in our siggy? :( It just clashes with my roflcakes.
lol no, no, you don't. :) I'll add ya

I'll train. Not much of a strategist, but I think I can help some of the new people here.

It kind of irritates me when I see horrible English on these forums. I expect it from people who are from non-English-speaking countries, but not when they're Americans, Australians, British, or Canadians - and most of the worst offenders do come from English-speaking nations. I'm glad someone has more patience than I do to try and eradicate that. Of course, if you're honestly dyslexic or have some other disability, that's what spell check is for.

Kahanistan, you've been added. :)

Easier said than done, friend. The face of FT is pock marked with the post acne uniqueness of the dozens and dozens of various races out there. Other than a few core technologies, like FTL travel (and even the methods of that are diverse) you've got everything from mass drivers to unpronounceable abortions of physics like Bose-Einstein Particle catipultulaters or whatever.


Hmmmm...in other words, if ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit.

Hmmmm...in other words, if ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit.

OOC: More or less. If you can make it sound almost plausible (IE, fake a physics degree and get miffed at anyone who challenges it), and try to keep it relatively realistic (No godsmiting weapons, unstoppable forces, or immoveable objects. No matter how much you try, you cannot blow up a planet with FTWMD with a three day old nation). Also, if you have a large, obscenely powerful ship, it's good policy and FT courtesy to have a major drawback of some sort. For instance, my super-capital vessels can't have shields raised and weapons charged at the same time, since they mount space compression shields instead of conventional shields. Things like that.

No, damnit, I'm not making a chart. ._.

OOC: I can run any tech level needed. I've got past-tech, modern-tech, and future-tech versions of my nation.

Just drop me a telegram.

Added. :)

Xeraph, I've worked on a chart, and I think it's fairly comprehensive - it covers more-or-less everything you might need to know about FT, and, hell, even MT.

Here's ya go.

http://i17.tinypic.com/6lafazc.png

Lmao

Sign me up...as a learner I guess. I have a MT/PMT~ish version of my nation and a FT version....I need a good FT.

sounds neat, me be snazzy learner!

Sign me up for FT.

Yeah, this fails.

Excuse me?

I'll be an MT trainer.

Excuse me?
Meh, don't worry about him. I know there's some nay-sayers. Oh well.

You guys have been added.

OOC: Thanks. I'll get on talking to some of those guys later, see what they need.

Btw, if anyone wants/needs me, my address is Marc_C_C@hotmail.com

I would like some help in a basic crash course on the technical side of war. I cannot include an optimal amount of detail in any of my military or war posts due to my dearth of knowledge on the subject. I consider myself to be a damned good charater RPer, but I simply do not know how to RP a decent war.

I would like some help in a basic crash course on the technical side of war. I cannot include an optimal amount of detail in any of my military or war posts due to my dearth of knowledge on the subject. I consider myself to be a damned good charater RPer, but I simply do not know how to RP a decent war.

You're in the same situation that I used to be in. I got myself embroiled in so many wars and got pwned so hard that I was laughed at in IRC, if the people I talk to can be trusted. Basically, what I did was look at what THEY were using against ME. Then, I scoured Wikipedia for articles on tanks, radars, ships, weapons, etc., etc. I can generally put in a fair amount of detail, but I'm still not much of a strategist.

I think this should be left as a signup thread, and we can have threads set up to train people.

A lot of NSers I've noticed don't effectively know how to use "superweapons" (planet slagging FT guns, nukes, bioweapons, chemical strikes, singularity weapons, davy crockets, et cetera)

So if there's some sort of superweapon thing, I'm in. Oh, and Hyperspatial Travel, EPIC WIN!

EDIT: I'm up for both MT and FT.

Every use for FT weapon-slaggers is effective. :D

I myself could use help in the superweapon arena, mainly in how to make them.

Heh, well, making superweapons is something you need to..uh..build up to. Like, economically.

This is an OOC training organization, not an IC one stop design shop.

Well, I can help in designing OOCly as well, but the BEST place to go for design stuff is: http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?act=idx

Or you could download DOGA and make your own ships. :D

Sign me up as a trainer. I can do MT, PMT and FT.

According to the likes of Skibereen, I am a spamtastic N00B, who displays an arrogant and simple mind. Could you please help me out here with a bit of training, to see where I have been going wrong.

Yeah, this fails.

Yeah!! Damn those people who want to help newer players improve their RPing skills so that they can enjoy themselves on the forums. What losers.

Hey ViZ, I'd be happy to help out anyone who wants some assistance with their RP skills. TG is probably the best way for amyone to get my attention though.

Edit: For MT

For some threads... not all, I find it difficult to roleplay a war without getting into a "godmodding" mode. I'd like to roleplay the occasional tactical or strategic genius that produced battles like the one at Thermopylae where 300 Spartans held on to whatever was thrown against them and they only lost through betrayal from their own side and they were cut off from reinforcements....

Unfortunately, some threads seem to focus on strength of numbers and strength of technological capabilities and if somehow they describe those numbers/issues to be superior I risk "godmodding" to win against such supposedly superior items... and I know historically, it was always the superior strategist that won the day, not the superior numbers or equipment.... (refer to Hart and his historical assessments of battles)

Many seem to be detailing their weapon systems used as if they were describing the lines on their palms.... My nation's focus is based upon viewing fighting battles as a religious necessity and they have developed superior strategies over the millennia all the way to developing the best possible martial arts (they combine moves and are very open to other ideas that they gladly blend into their own).... My concern is that if I try to roleplay these capabilities with some, I risk being accused of "godmodding".... any advice/comments?

Aye... find some people to RP with who aren't like that. Other than that, there is little you can do about it. Some people like to RP wars by filling 90% of their posts with discriptions of how this amazing weapon works and why you can't defend yourself from it. Unless you can convince them OOC to be less annoying then the best options for you are to either do your best to press on with the RP, ignoring the greater part of the techno babble (though if they start accusing you of godmodding their is little you can do) or else find other people who to RP with who do so in the same style as you, focusing on the strategy of battle.

But thats just my opinion, which is biased because i can't stand techwanking.

Well, what I normally do is write down my tech and other things in a factbook which I put off site, then I will either a) send them my factbook if they request it and want to read it, b) answer any questions they may have, or c) try to describe what the weapons do in the post. If you have some counter, I may ask you to explain it but if it works, hell, than it works. Balrogga popped on my GDI puppet with a battle group that with the surprise, speed, and utter out-ranking of tech, along with the nice tactical maneuver, it caused them to get massacred.

So yeah, my two cents.

I'd like to be both a trainer AND a learner.

I edit novels for a publishing house. When it comes to grammar, I'm old school--that means that I don't like things like sentences that begin with conjunctions or "transition" used as a verb when "adapt" will do just fine (I believe it was Huxley who wrote a little rant on word inflation), thank you. :) :) :) Nobody's perfect. Unfortunately, bad grammar physically bothers me when I read it. That is why I sometimes (though not often, thank God!) find myself correcting posts unasked despite my better intentions.

I can do FT, PT, MT or Fantasy. I prefer SF&F, but am known to do MT if I feel there's a compelling story. I like stories that involve character interaction; stories that involve different people in a battle shooting different kinds of weapons at each other bore me, no matter how well researched they are (though I've got to admit, there are have been some RP's on this system where the players REALLY did their homework on the resources of the various governments of the different SF TV shows). They lack the human element.

If you can stand my imperfections, I can help. The GOOD news is that I am unusually willing to negotiate. It annoys some people that I will revise things that they think ought to be scrapped until they're good enough to pass muster. Oh well. I'm stubborn. If I promise to help you, I won't just give up.

I need to learn more about military tactics and about diplomacy. What are the standard military formations? How are they used? When you have to negotiate something, what steps do you follow? There's a lot I wish I knew.

I wish help for MT FT PMT and the super weapon arena...

(i can design Super weapons but i need to know how to...well do stuff with said Super weapon designs)

Unfortunately, some threads seem to focus on strength of numbers and strength of technological capabilities and if somehow they describe those numbers/issues to be superior I risk "godmodding" to win against such supposedly superior items... and I know historically, it was always the superior strategist that won the day, not the superior numbers or equipment.... (refer to Hart and his historical assessments of battles)

I get that feeling a lot too (especially in the war I'm currently in, with the guy I'm up against). I also get the feeling that when I'm dealing with people who post like that, I start getting drawn into that same type of posting just trying to keep up with them, since anything else in their view (and their posts) just gets steamrolled by their amazingly huge fleets that they can summon with a snap of their fingers.

So, I would be quite interested in learning some tips on how to keep out of that frame of posting and still counter the FT Neanderthals out there. I'm FT, by the way. I guess this means I should finally get MSN like the rest of you guys, although I also use IRC fairly often now.

Neo-Roma! Do you use #nationstates on espernet for IRC? 'cause I'm on there right now.

I'd be rather interested in help with NS roleplaying, seeing as I'm fairly new to the whole show. I've read some of the guides, but general understanding and knowledge is still fairly low. Anyway, any help is appreciated from you experienced ones.

@HT: I'll definitely check it out, prolly tomorrow after I roll my lazy carcass out of bed. I just have to ask... how the hell do you join espernet, cuz I'm on a different network and I can't figure out how to switch. It being 3 am right now might have a little to do with that XD.

EDIT: whoops, nevermind, I figured it out.

EDIT2: No, actually I didn't. Ok, I'm just gonna fool with this tomorrow. XD

You can add me to the Trainers List as an FT player. A number of those already on that list can attest for my abilities.

My MSN is beldragos@hotmail.com

Joining up as a trainee, not a trainer.

Joining up as a trainee, not a trainer.

What do you need help with?



And Viz, put my AIM sn next to my name on the trainer list plz. xxdontpanicxx

I am ok but could definitely use some help in some area's so sign me up for a student. (P.S really cool idea for this thread!)

I might suggest those who wish assistance let us know in their posts the timeframe you are playing in so it can be listed in the first post. It might make it easier to match a student with trainer that can assist them in their particular areas.

Another idea is to have a "Training RP" where the Trainers act as mentors ICly. Of course, if you wish to contact someone that volunteered to help, just send them a TG or use the email/instant message contact to reach them if they gave it out.

I found this in Telro's sig, and I'm interested. In learning from a master, so to speak. FT, not anyone in particular. Specific areas would mainly be space combat, including boarding parties and that sort of thing. Anyone willing to help?

If you want to chat with me about stuff, I'm willing. You've shown a remarkable aptitude for learning, to say the least. I've seen you go from "damn noob" to "short-posting-but-still-decent player" within all of a few months, and, although most of my knowledge is more hard-spacedy than it is NS-FT-spacedy, I'd like to think I understand some of the basics of space combat.

If you want to chat with me about stuff, I'm willing. You've shown a remarkable aptitude for learning, to say the least. I've seen you go from "damn noob" to "short-posting-but-still-decent player" within all of a few months, and, although most of my knowledge is more hard-spacedy than it is NS-FT-spacedy, I'd like to think I understand some of the basics of space combat.
Thanks for the compliment. ;) I don't do hard science all that well, my "FT" is almost fantasy. Star Wars stuff, things like shields and blasters and lightsabers and cortosis and all that junk I can understand. Halo? Not so much.
EDIT: I suppose you would know: What the hell is the difference between a blaster and a plasma gun? I've heard to blaster bolts being referred to as plasma, which it is, but then plasma is also plasma. Why not just "blasters" or "energy bolts" to one side and "plasma" to the other?

Blasters are convenient weapons used to more-or-less cover the fact that the player doesn't really have much in the way of sciency-type knowledge. Which is fine, but it's easier to say "blaster" than to say "plasma gun", and then have someone look at you oddly when you try and make your plasma bolts go at lightspeed, or something else they're not really capable of doing within the bounds of physics.

Also, blasters are the quintessial exploding weapon. Everyone's seen Star Wars, and most people know that they look quite flashy. Whereas actual energy weapons, like lasers/masers/xasers (and so on), don't have as much glitter and sparkles.

True, but it's so much more fun to shoot at something and watch it explode than shoot it an watch it melt into a pile of slag. Speaking of which, one last question, then I must retire for bed: Beaming technology. Like what they have in Star Trek, "beam me up Scotty." It used to be that you'd take a shuttle from one ship or planet to another, but now everyone beams everywhere. So far only my allies, or at least the people I'm not at war with, have done it, but it gets annoying to have a guy and twenty Marines pop up on your bridge out of nowhere. Is there some kind of jammer or scrambeling device that would make such beaming technology useless?

Your ship is your inviolate territory, in OOC terms. If you don't want them to beam aboard, OOCly, they can't, or else they're godmodding. But considering that Star-Trek mass transference is blocked by simple things like half a metre of rock, it's easy enough to say people can't 'beam down'. For one, they're scrambling atoms and sending them over to your ship. If you interfere, say, and give these atoms a good old walloping, whether it be with energy weapons or with old-fashioned mass-drivers, it stands to reason that they won't be around to bother you any longer.

But, hell, transporters have never relied on any kind of science. Just say they can't transport into your ship (which makes a whole lot of sense in wartime - if they could transport troops in, they could transport bombs, and if they could transport bombs, it more-or-less screws you over), and, well, they can't.

Most everyone I know tends to use proper shuttle technology in any case.

I might as well sign up as a trainer for MT.

I guess I should become a trainee or at least study how yall post. My nation is NFT. Most being things that exsist now, just with more of a kick. A few FT things such as cyborgs.

Sorry, I've been really busy last few days. Finally got around to updating the list. You guys have been added. Those wanting to/willing to, add a link to here in your signature (see mine for example)

I'm not extremely "new" but I'm not one to pass up on free advice. I usually RP in FT and MT.
I do have one question up front: When RPing I saw somewhere that a good rule of thumb for your military size is 5% of you total population, Would that percentage be altered or effected by mandatory conscription at all?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13328460#post13328460 Signups for our first training RP - MT/early PMT only.

Actually, 5% is a more 'upwards limit in total war' type of number. To take a look at the real world, North Korea has around five percent of their population in their military.

Most MT militaries tend to be well below 1%. FT is a little more relaxed, if only because no-one can really calculate the economic effects of above 5% in the military on hiveminded spacedy bugs.

I'd be glad to help out as a PMT Trainer.

But I'd still like to get help in FT, seeing as I've recently switched over.

Ah..FT..where to start?

Well, TG one of the FT trainers (CoughTrailersthroatclear) to get started.

I guess I should become a trainee or at least study how yall post. My nation is NFT. Most being things that exsist now, just with more of a kick. A few FT things such as cyborgs.

Do you mean PMT?

I think he's going for a transitional period between PMT and FT that doesn't really fit in any real category, so he made up an acronym for fun.

I think he's going for a transitional period between PMT and FT that doesn't really fit in any real category, so he made up an acronym for fun.

(-_-)'

Well, considering what he just said - a couple cyborgs - that's right in PMT zone, so I'm gonna say, PMT.

Brutland and Norden would like to join as a trainee. I RP MT, living at GMT +8.

I think he's going for a transitional period between PMT and FT that doesn't really fit in any real category, so he made up an acronym for fun.

AFAIK, the term was coined in 04 or 05 to designate BSG-esque technology levels.

It's Near FT...I've heard it a little, but haven't really seen too many RPs with that style (guessing it's the Halo-esque style of RPs)

If anyone wants to ask me anything naval, you can add me on msn at matt.labunda@gmail.com and I'll answer your questions, but bear in mind that im only around 50% of the time i'm logged in.

If I wasn't so lazy then I would join up fully but... yeah. i'll give help to anyone who's asking though.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13328460#post13328460 Signups for our first training RP - MT/early PMT only.

How long till the next one?

Actually, scrap that. I'd like to sign up as a trainer.

I think NFT should be a recognised term. Dyelli Beybi is NFT. We're like PMT with a few high tech inventions that kinda work...

BTW If you want I'm always happy to help out newbies.

PMT works, although I think NFT could work.

I personally believe NFT would have to slowly go from being their own group, since FT is too high for them to contend against, but PMT is a bit too low. So obviously it can't be recognized since there isn't that big of a group for it, but I won't be surprised if NFT becomes an 'official' term soon.

Stranger things have happened, no?

Yes, I'll give you that. Much, much stranger things.

I'd like to join, although I don't know if I should be a trainee or a trainer. If anyone could give me a recommendation, try looking here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537706).

I'd like to join, although I don't know if I should be a trainee or a trainer. If anyone could give me a recommendation, try looking here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537706).

That's up to you. You need to decide for yourself whether you want help or not. If you ask for help, it'll make you a better RPer, but you risk the chance of lessening your own unique impact when roleplaying.

That's up to you. You need to decide for yourself whether you want help or not. If you ask for help, it'll make you a better RPer, but you risk the chance of lessening your own unique impact when roleplaying.

I suppose I will be an NST'er then. I'll put it in my sig ASAP.

Updated... Uiri, MT I assume, yes?

I should probaly sign up as a trainer, I hit my two-year anniversary two days ago and have been around the block several dozen times...sign me up for PMT and FT (there are much more qualified MT guys...)

Those requesting help from NST'ers:
Greal
Oily prata
Neijere
Shansekia
ShogunKhan
Buristan
Empire of Tau
United gaming Leauge
Future-Rome
Bellanusia
SilentScope003
Miamoria
Silver Wolf Republic
Dynamic Revolution
Brutland and Norden
The Vuhifellian States
Note: These aren't the only ones to help. Whenever you see a new nation posting, help 'em out, and point them to this thread, too.

Please add my name to this list (the list of those REQUESTING help).

Thank you.

Anyone on that list looking for FT help, please feel free to telegram one of the FT trainers at any time.


In other news, I will at some time soon have an FT training RP up. I'd like some collaboration from the other FT trainers, and some interest from the trainees..

Solar Communes tech is basically located in the border between Late PMT/NFT, I'll probably be interested to join in once a training session for PMT and/or NFT starts.

I use this as a reference for NFT sub-light travel (http://home.att.net/~srschmitt/script_starship.html)

I personally believe NFT would have to slowly go from being their own group, since FT is too high for them to contend against, but PMT is a bit too low. So obviously it can't be recognized since there isn't that big of a group for it, but I won't be surprised if NFT becomes an 'official' term soon.

I agree with such idea.

In other news, I will at some time soon have an FT training RP up. I'd like some collaboration from the other FT trainers, and some interest from the trainees..

I'm interested!

Updated! :)

I'm up for it.

Updated... Uiri, MT I assume, yes?

You assume correctly. I think I will be able to assist Miamoria.

sounds good to me

I would like to be coached, please see my thread, An End to Republicanism?

Anyone on that list looking for FT help, please feel free to telegram one of the FT trainers at any time.


In other news, I will at some time soon have an FT training RP up. I'd like some collaboration from the other FT trainers, and some interest from the trainees..
I will help anyone who asks for it and, if someone is willing, I need training in Space Battle/Landing party tactics and that sort.

Tactics are entirely reliant on your technology. If you're one of those immensely rare physics-obedient nations who has newtonian acceleration (even if you have inertics to protect your crew), then tactics tends to become a matter of range and speed.

However, beyond that, it's reliant on your personal choices. If you have jump drives that can be only utilized once a day, but can jump anywhere in the immediately vicinity, tac-jumps in battle are obviously going to have to be hoarded. If you use some variant of a warp drive, you're obviously going to have to worry about strategic travel more, as well as the inability to 'phase' out when using FTL.

When it comes to "landing party" tactics, you're either referring to small-scale, small-arms future-tech combat, or actual ground warfare. The first one I don't have much experience in - when in FT, and on the ground, the only real maxim is that he who shoots first wins. This is generally true when you're looking at small combat, as arms are a lot higher powered, and the general progression of arms vs armour (it's easier to kill than to protect) stays true here.

Large-scale ground warfare, however, is largely redundant. If you're defending a planet, it's because you've lost supremacy in space. If you've lost supremacy in space, your enemy can afford to bombard you until you either surrender or die. On the reverse, if you're attacking a planet, you obviously must've won supremacy in space to get to that planet, thus, if your enemy decides to duke it out on the surface, you enlighten him. And enheaten, enx-rayen and eneveryothersortofelectromagneticwaveen him. Simply put, there's no point in attacking on the ground until you've won space supremacy, and there's no way you can lose on the ground once you've won aforementioned space supremacy.

I'd be willing to act as an NSTer for PT, MT and realistic-ish FT. Because I am a jerk when it comes to FT, and will yell at you for using shields, cloaks, or most anything else. So... maybe just PT and MT.

And HT: Your sig is inspirational.

Large-scale ground warfare, however, is largely redundant. If you're defending a planet, it's because you've lost supremacy in space. If you've lost supremacy in space, your enemy can afford to bombard you until you either surrender or die. On the reverse, if you're attacking a planet, you obviously must've won supremacy in space to get to that planet, thus, if your enemy decides to duke it out on the surface, you enlighten him. And enheaten, enx-rayen and eneveryothersortofelectromagneticwaveen him. Simply put, there's no point in attacking on the ground until you've won space supremacy, and there's no way you can lose on the ground once you've won aforementioned space supremacy.


I would like to put an argument to this explanation even if a defending planet loses space supremacy. The invader still has to mop up resistance and bombing the crap out of a planet destroys resources as well as civilians which can also be used a slave and or force labor units. It can also make the planet useless for the purpose of colonization for the invading forces. It can sometime be to the invaders benefit instead of bombing the planet to the next radioactive stone age to land an invasion force to hold the planet and kill off enemy land forces while using orbital strikes to destroy large formations of enemy resistance .

Vice a Versa the defenders can still fight on the ground using hit and run tactics or guerilla warfare to wear down the invaders forces. They could also develop hidden missile or gun battery positions and try to blast the invaders out of orbit. Provided they can keep themselves hidden long enough to organize the amount of time to make such a resistance. The invaders/defenders can also use civilian/slaves populations to strike under the cover of their families and friends while hiding into the shadows…

Yes, Gurguvungunit is a very hard-FT person. I, unlike him, am more of a Schlockverse (http://www.schlockmercenary.com/) person.

On that note, if you use ships/troops from a specific universe, it can be good to identify where they're from. While I derive only inspiration from the Schlockverse, if you use specific ships, it's always good to let people know what they're like.

The invader still has to mop up resistance and bombing the crap out of a planet destroys resources as well as civilians which can also be used a slave and or force labor units.

On one hand, it depends whether-or-not you play a post-scarcity society. Logically, most FT societies are, and tend to have the capacity to slag entire worlds (not disassemble them), your wars aren't for the expansion of your civilian populace. I wouldn't go to war to get slaves, simply because building slaves that have the handy traits of being both automatons and non-rebellious is so much cheaper.

The point here is also that you don't need to bomb the 'crap' out of a planet. You merely need to surgically.. remove enemy forces. Logically, whether you use ground forces or space forces to destroy something, the amount of energy required will be around the same. Thus, by landing ground forces to fight, you're merely changing where the damage comes from, not the damage done.

It can also make the planet useless for the purpose of colonization for the invading forces. It can sometimes to the invaders benefit instead of bombing the planet to the next radioactive stone age to land an invasion force to hold the planet and kill off enemy land forces while using orbital strikes to destroy large formations of enemy resistance.

Unless you have precision weapons on your spaceships, like nice little point-defense weapons you'd otherwise use to take down fighters. Simply because your guns happen to be in space doesn't make them any less effective. You're postulating that spaceships can't hurt things on the ground without wiping out the entire continent they happen to be targeting, which is untrue.

Vice a Versa the defenders can still fight on the ground using hit and run tactics or guerilla warfare to wear down the invaders forces.

Guerilla warfare gets less and less useful as warfare drags on. See Iraq. The technological disparity between civilian combatants and trained military combatants is huge, and the kill ratio between "our" side and "theirs" (assuming you're Western) is equally large. In a FT scenario, it's unlikely you're going to have rebels with powered armour and antimatter grenades who you can't also dispatch from space merely through the sheer amount of energy they're putting out.

They could also develop hidden missile or gun battery positions and try to blast the invaders out of orbit.

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I'm sorry, but..

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Dude, that's not very feasible at all. To put it simply. You shoot me, I reduce the crust where you are into a layer of boiling, molten lava. And once we're talking about resistance, we're no longer talking about large-scale ground combat, are we? I mean, sure, the spectre of guerilla warfare haunts us because we believe it beat us in Vietnam and believe it's winning in Iraq, but, in reality, guerillas are beaten quite firmly when up against conventional forces.

Consider it akin to Iraqis blasting planes when they're in the stratosphere.

Of course, these things become mildly possible when you start considering humanitarian perspectives - if you decide you need to treat your conquered people like they're the Pope, and allow them all sorts of energy-intensive amenities, you could have a problem when they turn their fusion-powered showers into fusion-powered bombs.

On one hand, it depends whether-or-not you play a post-scarcity society. Logically, most FT societies are, and tend to have the capacity to slag entire worlds (not disassemble them), your wars aren't for the expansion of your civilian populace. I wouldn't go to war to get slaves, simply because building slaves that have the handy traits of being both automatons and non-rebellious is so much cheaper.

The point here is also that you don't need to bomb the 'crap' out of a planet. You merely need to surgically.. remove enemy forces. Logically, whether you use ground forces or space forces to destroy something, the amount of energy required will be around the same. Thus, by landing ground forces to fight, you're merely changing where the damage comes from, not the damage done.


Okay here we go, I figured a lot of FT societies would most likely try and bomb the hell out of most worlds before sending troops on the ground just because of the convenience of just killing all their enemies from orbit as oppose to dropping soldiers on the ground and actually trying to take it by force. I suppose this policy is a smart one but keep in mind not every civilization would see that the same way. I mean look at the Kzin in the Man-Kzin wars series in Larry Niven’s Known Space.

The Kzin would much rather take a planet by fighting on the ground and earning their hero name by their deeds as opposed to cowardly hiding in space and bombing the hell out of their adversary. The Kzin also used precision strikes from orbit to blow up space ports and power stations to completely force a non militarized world into surrendering to them.


This forced several citizens of that world (Wunderland) to fight back in a large scale battle which ended up being a bloody brawl for both sides. The Kzin started to drop low yield nuclear missiles on areas that had heavy resistance to force the human defenders to retreat into the wild lands of Wunderland and that started the great occupation.



The Kzin and maybe some other warrior like societies would probably prefer to keep their captive populations alive along with the natural environments intact as oppose to using high yield weaponry that would “slag “ everything within a continental radius..


Unless you have precision weapons on your spaceships, like nice little point-defense weapons you'd otherwise use to take down fighters. Simply because your guns happen to be in space doesn't make them any less effective. You're postulating that spaceships can't hurt things on the ground without wiping out the entire continent they happen to be targeting, which is untrue.


I never said that, I just mentioned that most times when FTers use their orbital guns in FT. They use the ones that end up blowing up entire cities and continents and turn the planet into a bloody radioactive mess leaving billions dead and making it pointless for even taking the planet in the first place. You might as well just go around glassing worlds with any sentient life that is not your own.

I even said in my original statement that invading forces can use orbital strikes in combination with their ground forces to force the defenders into surrendering or retreating….





Guerilla warfare gets less and less useful as warfare drags on. See Iraq. The technological disparity between civilian combatants and trained military combatants is huge, and the kill ratio between "our" side and "theirs" (assuming you're Western) is equally large. In a FT scenario, it's unlikely you're going to have rebels with powered amour and antimatter grenades who you can't also dispatch from space merely through the sheer amount of energy they're putting out.



That is true most conventional forces have the advantage with technology but keep in mind that almost anything can be turned into a weapon. The FTL communication relay. Now with a bit of tweaking it becomes an effective laser battery. The communication satellites give them some prep time before the enemy arrives at the system and arm them with fusion bombs or other weapons and use them when the invaders come into the system.

The old colonization ships or mining vessels that have FTL jump drives use them to form a rag-tag fleet and use the local asteroid belt to hide them from enemy patrols. The asteroid mining camps hide it/cloak it and use it as a supply station for resistance activity (etc)

You also have to add the morale factor any enemy would feel when they have to constantly watch their backs for fear of a suicide bomber coming up at them or a hidden sniper blasting them from over a few blocks away…



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I'm sorry, but..

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Dude, that's not very feasible at all. To put it simply. You shoot me, I reduce the crust where you are into a layer of boiling, molten lava. And once we're talking about resistance, we're no longer talking about large-scale ground combat, are we? I mean, sure, the specter of guerilla warfare haunts us because we believe it beat us in Vietnam and believe it's winning in Iraq, but, in reality, guerillas are beaten quite firmly when up against conventional forces.

Consider it akin to Iraqis blasting planes when they're in the stratosphere.

Of course, these things become mildly possible when you start considering humanitarian perspectives - if you decide you need to treat your conquered people like they're the Pope, and allow them all sorts of energy-intensive amenities, you could have a problem when they turn their fusion-powered showers into fusion-powered bombs.


Note above, and guerilla warfare is still just as effective if you plan to fight your enemy and even if a few years go by. The resistance movement can still keep going even if they lack basic humanitarian supplies as long as they can use their local resources like caves, jungles, and underground complexes to build train and even produce the basic laser rifles to fight against the enemies fusion guns etc. It also gets more complex when allies provide the resistance with supplies like the Soviets did with the North Vietnam and the Americans did with the Afghans during the Soviet occupation...

This will not always assure victory but it could give the defender time to get help and if the enemy wants to hold the world bad enough keep their forces divided, While the defenders undefeated worlds/systems attempt to launch an effective counter push and or rescue attempt…

Though I confess to not have read the last few posts (it's four in the morning and I can't sleep, feh) I thought I'd throw my two cents in on the topic of ground warfare in an FT setting.

First off, it really depends upon your situation. If we're talking two star nations fighting it out, there will probably be very little ground warfare at all. The victorious space force can simply threaten c-frac bombardment of the planet (note: this works best in hard FT when high c-frac missiles are impossible to stop, if you have planetary shields or ftl detection, you can theoretically defend against c-frac bombardments), which is both totally unavoidable and totally destructive. No populated world would risk such an attack (c-frac bombardment is more destructive, generally speaking, than thermonuclear war. We're talking extinction events).

At any rate, the mere threat of orbital bombardment by a suitably powerful space fleet should be enough to compel a planet's surrender. Even the best defended planet will take massive damage, if the enemy fleet is large enough to be a threat. It's possible, I suppose, that the defending fleet would have so whittled down the attacker that he is unable to do much damage to a shielded planet, but even a scout ship can do c-frac bombardments if given enough time to set one up unmolested.

Now, if you have two planetary powers warring it out, who have space fleets in orbit, you might see some initial ground warfare. But whoever dominates space will effectively gain the ultimate 'high ground', in that he's free to bombard or (if particularly unconcerned about fallout carried on the wind) nuke the enemy from orbit.

So I don't imagine ground combat occurring much in a hard-FT society, unless you have multiple powers on the one planet. In that case, they'll probably want to avoid total nuclear war for the same reason an MT nation does: there aren't any winners to a nuclear war. But now I'm just ranting.

I'm up for it.
PMT or which one? I forget which you RP as...

updated the list!

Though I agree it might be necessary to wipe out a world in an war against an alien race as they would never accept another race to rule over them, in a same-race war, the principle of Attacking by the Stratagem still applies.

And it's also possible(though very expensive) for a FT interstellar power with a "kamikaze culture" to fill a region as closest as possible to its planets core with all types of WMDs from fusion to antimatter, and should an invasion and their death be inevitable, explode the whole planet against the invaders, or get their remaining fleet launch countless lots of fusion/antimatter missiles against their own sun.

Solar, it's (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3aa.html#killingstar) not (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/lyonesse/spaceguideS-Z.htm#slag) hard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_independently_targetable_reentry_vehicle) to render a planet uninhabitable, and the threat is more formal than anything else. Assuming you're trying to take that planet, you actually don't want to destroy it. The key is, though, that you're willing to (or at least the other guy thinks you are) and annihilation from the sky is a good reason to give in.

I agree with Sun Tzu in that it's best to take the enemy intact, and this strategy does just that. Unless his planet is run by a psychotic, suicidal dictator with absolute control over his citizenry, the threat of annihilation will force a surrender whether he likes it or not. Actually, if you hold that c-frac weapons are totally indestructible (you can't see them until they're very, very close to hitting you, and you can never tell where they are in real-time), then you don't even need the battle fleet. See first link.

That is IF you want the planet.

If you want to leave an impotent enemy that cannot do anything at your back then bomb the crap out of them and move on to the next target. It all depends upon the goals of the RP and the players. Hopefully the players have already discussed that together before the first few posts were done.

Not considering the possibility of a deuterium/Helium-3 loaded fireship at c-frac speeds going towards a planet without decelerating and reaching even more than 0.5c, the C301 railgun is the closest thing Solar Communes have to a c-frac weapon, firing projectiles at a 0.001c speed(299.792 km/s). Now, wouldn't an Helium-3 fusion missile explode prematurely if fired at such speeds?

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A starship weighing in at 1,500 tons (approximately the weight of a fully fueled space shuttle sitting on the launchpad) impacting an earthlike planet at "only" 30 percent of lightspeed will release 1.5 million megatons of energy -- an explosive force equivalent to 150 times today's global nuclear arsenal...

That's more or less what a fireship is

In note to the above discussion.

If an FT nation is taking a planet of tactical importance to him/herself, that nation will likely land ground forces to preserve the infrastructure. If the planet under attack is unimportant to the attacker, but important to the defender, the attacking nation will likely slag the thing rather than waste time and manpower to hold it.

PMT or which one? I forget which you RP as...

updated the list!

I'm FT

Hullo Chronosia.

Okay here we go, I figured a lot of FT societies would most likely try and bomb the hell out of most worlds before sending troops on the ground just because of the convenience of just killing all their enemies from orbit as oppose to dropping soldiers on the ground and actually trying to take it by force. I suppose this policy is a smart one but keep in mind not every civilization would see that the same way. I mean look at the Kzin in the Man-Kzin wars series in Larry Niven’s Known Space.

The Kzin would much rather take a planet by fighting on the ground and earning their hero name by their deeds as opposed to cowardly hiding in space and bombing the hell out of their adversary. The Kzin also used precision strikes from orbit to blow up space ports and power stations to completely force a non militarized world into surrendering to them.

So if you have a culture that dictates ground combat, you fight on the ground? Well, thanks for that, Captain Obvious! You've saved the day again!

However, if you happen to be fighting someone who doesn't need to earn a "hero name", all these beautiful guerilla preparations you've made are worthless.

I even said in my original statement that invading forces can use orbital strikes in combination with their ground forces to force the defenders into surrendering or retreating….

Who needs ground forces? That's my point. You seem to think that you need a deployed ground army to wipe out the enemy. You don't.

That is true most conventional forces have the advantage with technology but keep in mind that almost anything can be turned into a weapon.

Right. Keep in mind that anything today can be turned into a weapon. But the guerilla fighter with his broken glass bottle will still be mowed down by the soldier with an assault rifle, full body armour, air support, and a squadron of men.

The FTL communication relay. Now with a bit of tweaking it becomes an effective laser battery.

Right, right. I'd forgotten how communications relays were immensely powerful lasers that were capable of scything through starship armour. Forgive me.

The communication satellites give them some prep time before the enemy arrives at the system and arm them with fusion bombs or other weapons and use them when the invaders come into the system.

Or maybe the invaders annihilate the communication satellites, and set up their own. Small job, no risk of satellites blowing up in your face. Problem solved.

The old colonization ships or mining vessels that have FTL jump drives use them to form a rag-tag fleet and use the local asteroid belt to hide them from enemy patrols.

Man, this is like something out of a crappy World War Two novel! Except you've replaced "men" with "colonization ships", and you've assumed it's easy to hide in space. I'm not entirely sure where you get these views from, but they're interesting, to say the least. Have you ever tried hiding in space? And possibly just as importantly, do you honestly believe a 'rag-tag fleet', with none of the military weapons, tracking systems, can be cobbled together to fight a proper fleet?

Also, have you ever tried getting a group of old cars, mounting guns on them, and fighting an entire armoured division? Because that's the parallel here.

You also have to add the morale factor any enemy would feel when they have to constantly watch their backs for fear of a suicide bomber coming up at them or a hidden sniper blasting them from over a few blocks away…

Except, y'know, soldiers would have high-powered, hard-to-break power armour. If guerillas had high-powered weapons, their energy emissions would give them away, and they'd be annihilated, whether from orbit or just from the air. There's no real fear there.


It also gets more complex when allies provide the resistance with supplies like the Soviets did with the North Vietnam and the Americans did with the Afghans during the Soviet occupation...

Man, and here I was saying we had complete space supremacy. Nice ignoring the very keystone of the argument. Good job. But hey, what do I know. Supply ships filled to the brim with weaponry for guerillas are easy to hide in that great, heatless blackness we know as space, right? It's not as if they'll stand out like a strobe light in a dark room, or anything.

This will not always assure victory but it could give the defender time to get help and if the enemy wants to hold the world bad enough keep their forces divided, While the defenders undefeated worlds/systems attempt to launch an effective counter push and or rescue attempt…

This being the "help" that's going to make it past the attacker's progidious space fleet? Or is this some other mysterious force we haven't been introduced to yet?


Also, Gurguvungunit, that's more-or-less what I'm saying. Even if you're dealing with an environment where you've got nice clean weapons like kinetic harpoons, you can just annihilate enemy armies from orbit. Bam, it's done.

And Trailers, ground forces, infrastructure can be useful, yes. Even if you do land ground forces en masse, though, it's unlikely they'd be heavily effected by guerilla warfare.

HT seems to be doing a pretty good job himself, I'll leave him alone. Obviously, yes, you would need to land occupation forces of some sort. I'm less likely than HT to discount the possibility that guerrilla warfare will be useful (mostly because despite a pretty huge technological gap existing right now in Iraq, it still is). Since I'm not familiar with the type of 'power armor' which HT is referring to, and I still use the Mk.1 human with a gun as my general ground combat guy (backed, of course, by tanks and such), I can easily imagine guerrillas getting their hands on a cache of old military rifles and making a bit of a mess. The thing is, finding a specific group of people on a planet is pretty hard, especially when they've cities to hide in, so you can't bombard them from space.

Conceivably, though, you could just pull off your guys from the ground, park your fleet a fair bit away, and broadcast to everyone that you'll start shooting unless the guerrillas are brought to justice. I can't see a populist movement lasting long in that situation.

This kinda seems to be hijacking the origional intent of the Thread by turning the Thread into a debate on different tactics instead of trying to get experienced players to other players who wish to be tutored.

I might suggest this be taken to my Arguments Thread in order to preserve the integrity of the Thread. The Link is in my Sig.

This kinda seems to be hijacking the origional intent of the Thread by turning the Thread into a debate on different tactics instead of trying to get experienced players to other players who wish to be tutored.

I might suggest this be taken to my Arguments Thread in order to preserve the integrity of the Thread. The Link is in my Sig.
Excellent.

Anyone else looking to get onboard as an NST'ers or to be trained at this point in time?

I'm 'back' so to speak. Sorry about the inactivity, but 'twas the season of Christmas and I had other things to do. For anyone who hasn't seen me on the thread I do MT and FT predominantly with a hint of PMT.

I'll be checking this thread more often and my AIM's on the handy little sidebar to left of this post. I'm usually on but I'll be more easily reached through the thread.

On an unrelated note to ViZion concering the Confederacy/Confederation:
Don't know about signing up, but I'll consult with the Board about alligning the UDD with them directly.

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Almost forgot my $0.02 on the FT debate!

Ground engagements depend largely on:
1. How in-depth the RPers want to get in the thread

2. The tactical importance of keeping that planet intact

3. The mentality of the attacking race (evil and genocidal or peaceful and negotiable)

4. The power of the defending ground force. Personally I'd use precision plasma bombardment to fry armies and guerillas alike. Unless your planet has those Star Trek-like conveniently placed mineral deposits that frazzle sensors, I'll find you from orbit and there's nothing you can do.

I've always been under the impression that it's a given to orbitally destroy the majority of a planet's military from orbit once orbital supremacy has been achieved before even thinking about ground invasion.

It occurrs in three basic steps:
1. Destroy enemy fleet and orbital defenses

2. Use your fleet to bombard surface targets and cripple the army

3. Land the troops to mop up; while this happens the fleet sets up perimeter and keeps watch for a counterattack

I'm FT

Really Chrono? Really? You're FT?

Here was I..thinking you were PT fantasy..I had plans!..

Wow, such comraderie we all have... :rolleyes:

See, I can do the sarcasm thing too! :D

But really, aren't we supposed to be helping people as opposed to sniping at each other?

I need help, its very hard for me to admit, but its true.

I'm not very subtle in my actions, I do not walk softly and carry a big stick. Normally I stomp along and carry a cannon, not the most sociable of ways to do things.
So I need help to change.

I need help to become more, interesting, more intriguing. I feel as though I have untapped potential, just rotting away, and this bothers me.

I'm not particularly Evil enough with my evil characters, and that's disturbing.

I've been gone for a long time, resurfacing at times under diffrent names, Kajeenith, Ri-an, Soror, Even most recently, The ministry of Shadow, which I'm using to ressurect my IC nation, Icly, and then from there, going to FT roleplays, while Warhaven stays as it always has been, FT/Fantasy/any other tech that has a good storyline. But now it is time for the original to return, The Master nation that started it all, Warhaven.

I'm hoping that even though Balrogga signed up as only being FT, he'll benice enough to help me simply because we have a history together, and are comfortable working together. I'm not saying I only want him, or won't accept help from more than one person, but that history aspect is a big factor, and besides, I know he has the resources and skillz to do it. I wwlecome all the help and support anyone can give me. Just please, wait for Dark Ressurection to finish before we start.

We could even do it in my next Thread, The Book of Darkness, in which I write the Holy Book of Kajeenith. If I can be a better RP'er with him, then truely I will have mastered the skills I seek to learn, regardless of character.

I need help, its very hard for me to admit, but its true.

I'm not very subtle in my actions, I do not walk softly and carry a big stick. Normally I stomp along and carry a cannon, not the most sociable of ways to do things.
So I need help to change.

I need help to become more, interesting, more intriguing. I feel as though I have untapped potential, just rotting away, and this bothers me.

I'm not particularly Evil enough with my evil characters, and that's disturbing.

I've been gone for a long time, resurfacing at times under diffrent names, Kajeenith, Ri-an, Soror, Even most recently, The ministry of Shadow, which I'm using to ressurect my IC nation, Icly, and then from there, going to FT roleplays, while Warhaven stays as it always has been, FT/Fantasy/any other tech that has a good storyline. But now it is time for the original to return, The Master nation that started it all, Warhaven.

I'm hoping that even though Balrogga signed up as only being FT, he'll benice enough to help me simply because we have a history together, and are comfortable working together. I'm not saying I only want him, or won't accept help from more than one person, but that history aspect is a big factor, and besides, I know he has the resources and skillz to do it. I wwlecome all the help and support anyone can give me. Just please, wait for Dark Ressurection to finish before we start.

We could even do it in my next Thread, The Book of Darkness, in which I write the Holy Book of Kajeenith. If I can be a better RP'er with him, then truely I will have mastered the skills I seek to learn, regardless of character.

So won't you please give me a second chance, and help me?

Advice: Stop being Gods or God-like beings. It's not fun, it's not smart. It just makes you look like Scand. *shudder*

Certainly you wouldn't object to something that could niether effect, nor be effected by the environment around it, like a harmless holographic image.

This is the second existence, not the first, there are no longer gods of any type within warhaven, at least not like you knew them to be. Certainly Kajeenith will make appearences, but has to act through fallible mortal agents, like The Magekillers and the Void Mages, and in effect, shortly after writting his holy book, will become like your Chaos Gods, a point of refrence, not an actual character, others will be refferred to in a historical sense, like both Rahegalhoffs and The Magi-masters. Still others simply just do not exist, even in memory, like Warfare and Arianna. The Void itself, is an environment, like The Warp you use regularly and derive power from.

Destruction and non-existence is my domain, it what makes me, me, like Chaos makes you, you. The whole point of my posting here, was to get help to try and become better without my gods, and as a sign of good faith, have posted part of my plans on how it will be diffrent. But I can't just stop with him cold turkey, like most people can't stop smoking cold turkey. Its why I am going to write The Book of Darkness, to phase him and other things out, and is also why The book of Darkness is the ideal thread to help me become better, its the entire point of it oocly, to get rid of the bad parts, like the direct presence of divine entites, while ICly telling an interesting story.

Even further I'm going to reveal my plan for a new and unusual tech idea based off The Void for use with my FT ships within the book of Darkness, and I could certainly use the help of someone who uses something similar (like Warp cannons that use the chaos energies of the warp) to form the idea into something manageable and fair.

Certainly you wouldn't object to something that could niether effect, nor be effected by the environment around it, like a harmless holographic image.

This is the second existence, not the first, there are no longer gods of any type within warhaven, at least not like you knew them to be. Certainly Kajeenith will make appearences, but has to act through fallible mortal agents, like The Magekillers and the Void Mages, and in effect, shortly after writting his holy book, will become like your Chaos Gods, a point of refrence, not an actual character, others will be refferred to in a historical sense, like both Rahegalhoffs and The Magi-masters. Still others simply just do not exist, even in memory, like Warfare and Arianna. The Void itself, is an environment, like The Warp you use regularly and derive power from.

Destruction and non-existence is my domain, it what makes me, me, like Chaos makes you, you. The whole point of my posting here, was to get help to try and become better without my gods, and as a sign of good faith, have posted part of my plans on how it will be diffrent. But I can't just stop with him cold turkey, like most people can't stop smoking cold turkey. Its why I am going to write The Book of Darkness, to phase him and other things out, and is also why The book of Darkness is the ideal thread to help me become better, its the entire point of it oocly, to get rid of the bad parts, like the direct presence of divine entites, while ICly telling an interesting story.

Even further I'm going to reveal my plan for a new and unusual tech idea based off The Void for use with my FT ships within the book of Darkness, and I could certainly use the help of someone who uses something similar (like Warp cannons that use the chaos energies of the warp) to form the idea into something manageable and fair.

It's very good that you've moved on. I just thought it warrented mentioning. I never actually invoke my gods onto this plane, they're always in the background as objects of worship and sources of power, but they're not my characters.

The best there is is Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes. Again, good job progressing past that point :P

The best there is is Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes. Again, good job progressing past that point :P

On that note, the most powerful thing I'm going to have are The Arachnians, similar to a D&D Drider, but so very diffrent. I'm having my other unique species like the Celestial Dragons and other space faring creatures, The gareens, and The Aquamarinians, but none of my species are as strong as an Arachnian, not even a four-armed Gareen!

It's very good that you've moved on. I just thought it warrented mentioning. I never actually invoke my gods onto this plane, they're always in the background as objects of worship and sources of power, but they're not my characters.

The best there is is Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes. Again, good job progressing past that point :P

Hey Chronosia, I have a question(as I intend to use the Warp in future RPs): Are a bunch of anarchists who believe all hierarchical forms of governments should be abolished and that society needs constant changes to not stagnate but which have a type of Group Mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_mind_%28science_fiction%29#List_of_non-hive_group_minds) still on the side of Order as a non-extreme, an in-between Order and Chaos or would Solar Communes be involuntary supporters of Tzeentch?

Freedom fighters, revolutionaries, politicians, crime lords and other such "subtle manipulators" all walk the path of Tzeentch. The most dangerous thing about Tzeentch is that even if one's motives are pure, any diversion into seeking knowledge or change is a silent affirmation of the god's power.

They are constantly seeking knowledge and change... so I guess the answer is probably already there, though I'm no expert in WH40k Settings.

I'm hoping that even though Balrogga signed up as only being FT, he'll benice enough to help me simply because we have a history together, and are comfortable working together. I'm not saying I only want him, or won't accept help from more than one person, but that history aspect is a big factor, and besides, I know he has the resources and skillz to do it. I wwlecome all the help and support anyone can give me. Just please, wait for Dark Ressurection to finish before we start.



Of course I will assist as best I can. Just contact me on MSN when you see me online.

Hey Chronosia, I have a question(as I intend to use the Warp in future RPs): Are a bunch of anarchists who believe all hierarchical forms of governments should be abolished and that society needs constant changes to not stagnate but which have a type of Group Mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_mind_%28science_fiction%29#List_of_non-hive_group_minds) still on the side of Order as a non-extreme, an in-between Order and Chaos or would Solar Communes be involuntary supporters of Tzeentch?



They are constantly seeking knowledge and change... so I guess the answer is probably already there, though I'm no expert in WH40k Settings.

They would definetly feed Tzeentch :)

HEHEHE

I am probably constantly providing feed for Tzeentch. As a matter of fact, I have designated all four aspects of Chaos in various parts of Balrogga.

I wouldn't mind becoming a FT NSTer.

Kostemetsia, done.

Good idea. It's a shame I didn't see it earlier. Good luck to the newbs.

Good idea. It's a shame I didn't see it earlier. Good luck to the newbs.
lol we can put you as a trainer if you'd like. :)

lol we can put you as a trainer if you'd like. :)

I'm not a 100% sure how to train someone in it lol.

I'm not a 100% sure how to train someone in it lol.
haha all you really need to do is give them pointers to improve their RPing when you see something wrong - that's really all thats needed. Then if need be go more in depth. :)

Okay. Perhaps I could try my best. Leave me as MT.

A while back, I posted this as a question. I don't recall any response, but it was buried within the post.

One of my characters is trained as a negotiator. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the formal process of negotiating. I've been playing it by ear.

How does one conduct negotiations? Is there a formal process? What paradigms are there through which one views/frames/whatever the negotiation process? Is there a study source?

Dastardly Stench;13353973']A while back, I posted this as a question. I don't recall any response, but it was buried within the post.

One of my characters is trained as a negotiator. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the formal process of negotiating. I've been playing it by ear.

How does one conduct negotiations? Is there a formal process? What paradigms are there through which one views/frames/whatever the negotiation process? Is there a study source?

Depends what kind of negotiation. Is it hostage or government?

I might try FT someday........nows the time, put me on the FT list also.......

I would like to do two things here:

One: I would like to state that I am willing to operate as a trainer for FTers that might seek to ask, as this nation is the alt of another one that's been around for a while (one doesn't need to look far to see which one). Though I feel it necessary to warn that the race I RP as with this nation is somewhat 'sensitive', and would likely be a good choice for someone seeking to learn the ins and outs of dealing with relatively alien cultures, and not just learning to shoot things or get one's post count up. If one keeps a cool head around them with the Death Spectres, it might actually turn into a somewhat entertaining RP... but screw up and lets just say its insta-curtains.

Two: If I am permitted, I feel it necessary to register a complaint against Kostemetsia.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546126&page=2

Posts 21 to 25 (didn't want to URL spam) make up pretty much the entire offending section. But it was noted to me that he had been set up as a 'trainer' here, and I feel it necessary to comment that if what was in that thread is indicative of how he would 'train' folks, we might be better off without. Though one might say I am biased in my present line of thought... but still.

I'd like to dispute that.

I read the entire thread. I used a method of getting out that would have allowed me to do so. You used an "FTL inhibitor field", if I remember correctly. Nowhere did I say that I was powering up the FTL drive, and I specifically stated that I threw the ship into the equivalent of a black hole.

Please reconsider your complaint in light of that evidence.

EDIT: Also, I'd like to proffer an example (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546916) (or two (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=544433), or three (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546574)) as to why I signed up to this thread in the first place.

Well I don't mind helping a few newbies out, My msn AIM and Yahoo are under my name here if any one wants, so consider this an offer of help.

I'd like to dispute that.

I read the entire thread. I used a method of getting out that would have allowed me to do so. You used an "FTL inhibitor field", if I remember correctly. Nowhere did I say that I was powering up the FTL drive, and I specifically stated that I threw the ship into the equivalent of a black hole.

Please reconsider your complaint in light of that evidence.

For the record black holes are used in FTL drives of some nations, and FTLi is meant to stop that, not only that you did refuse to take adequate damage when confronted with those ships shooting at yours.

You pretty much set your self up there, jumping in to the middle of a foreign fleet in their territory, being demanding about information, Of course they wont respond with hostility!...

I'd like to dispute that.

I read the entire thread. I used a method of getting out that would have allowed me to do so. You used an "FTL inhibitor field", if I remember correctly. Nowhere did I say that I was powering up the FTL drive, and I specifically stated that I threw the ship into the equivalent of a black hole.

Please reconsider your complaint in light of that evidence.


That is not evidence. And the typical usage of the phrase 'FTL Inhibitor' does not a technical term make. It is, if one might utilize technobabble: a Dimensional Anchor, which causes generally any spatial warping to fail. This would include anything put forth by a wormhole generator such as you said you were attempting to activate. A black hole is a pre-eminent example of spatial warping. Oh, and anything that gets you anywhere faster than it would take light to travel the same distance generally qualifies as FTL.

Secondly, as I had mentioned in the thread in question, there were upwards of three thousand fighters in space over the area in question, and you made no effort to recognize them until specifically told in the post that said they were blowing up your engine block for your impertinence. To have them do otherwise would have been showing weakness on their part. Its nothing personal to you, but then you had to respond in such a foolish manner by having the ships 'appear' on your sensors and then have your guy say 'oh go away'.

Just because this account has less than 50 posts does not mean one should assume I would bend over and accept whatever you throw at me. If one behaves reasonably towards the Death Spectres, or even more preferably behaves 'cautiously', there is significant amounts of room for hilarity and hijinx. But you do something like what your characters just did... you straight up die.

Oh, and hey Vizion... I just noticed that your list of trainers has Chronosia mentioned twice.

Of course I had him say "go away". Seriously: what would you do in a situation like that? Scream, run around, and get yourself killed faster?

Also, where can I find some glossary to FT technology? I made an assumption that FTLi extended only to the use of conventional technology, and I was wrong. Where can I go to prevent this happening in future?

Fedral Union: Demanding? :rolleyes:

I'm sorry if I seem a bit disrespectful here, but I feel a bit set up (if you know what I mean).

HEY!

I invented the Dimensional Anchor over three years ago.

Where did you get the ones you used for your example? I want to see a receipt.

Of course I had him say "go away". Seriously: what would you do in a situation like that? Scream, run around, and get yourself killed faster?

You COULD have paid attention to the fact that there was a bigass fleet around the planet in full combat readiness. You COULD have realized that you shouldn't be acting in a manner that would have gotten you killed by RATIONAL people. You COULD have offered to edit your initial post to rectify the sheer foolishness of what you did after I mentioned having three thousand very annoyed Death Spectres open fire on you, but its too late for that now. See, you showed also that you are unwilling to take responsibility for your actions with your response to the attack. Hell, you practically gave me the middle finger in your second post... so two posts from entry to ignore, gratz2u for a record.

I'm sorry if I seem a bit disrespectful here, but I feel a bit set up (if you know what I mean).

You did it all by yourself. There isn't anybody else to blame here. You screwed up so badly that there really wasn't any other thing for it but to kill your ship. Sorry if ya don't like that, but it really was your fault. Hence you should be here as a train-ee, and not as a train-er.

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And bal:

A long dead fleet from a long dead species... or something. Yeah. That's the ticket. Yeah. Something about purple elephants too.

Words of Wisdom (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12131324&postcount=10)

Okay that's just funny. Horribly, horribly unacceptable, but quite funny.

hey.. i want to be trained to. LOL

Ok, Dratheria's post on this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545644&page=2) page is a perfect example of what I'd like a little advice on how to deal with. My forces are described in the last post on the previous page. I'd like to be able to RP without 1) Ignoring his exaggerations and most of what he posts about, cuz then I'm just doing the same thing he's doing, or 2) Starting an argument with him every time he posts about how unrealistic he's being. I've done that enough already in other threads, so I know it doesn't achieve anything.

Thoughts? Comments? Choice bits of wisdom? XD

Words of Wisdom (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12131324&postcount=10)
LOL!

MSN, Neo-Roma! MSSSSSNNNNN! Srsly.

It makes everything a lot easier to talk over.

My C*-travel system works by trampling all over engineers and engineering principles instead, with nano-expandable armors for Nearing speed of light travels that can expand enough to resist x megajoules per kilogram, where x < infinite

http://home.att.net/~srschmitt/script_starship.html#discussion

*What's the difference between 0.99999...c and 1c? So it's a C-ship (http://www.fourmilab.ch/cship/cship.html), though it has a 1g rather than 10g acceleration, and it's also streamlined with a very thin nose.

*Edit: Reading that C-ship article gave me further ideas for it, maybe I'm not trampling on engineering principles at all... And Time Dilation LOL:

In other words, on board our C-ship, we can go anywhere in the universe in five years ship's time, though millions or billions of years may have passed at our port of departure

*Edit 2: That would be about 80 years at most for a Solar Communes C-ship as its acceleration is of "only" 1g though, stasis chambers can safely keep an human being for that time though.

I wouldn't mind helping...I've got experience in pretty much every field.

I suppose that I have finally found the mothership... although I can't guarantee that I'd be available 24/7 to all newbies - although I should hope to suspect that that is not the intention of becoming of a trainer. And I don't have enough of an imagination to help out in FT, so if I am accepted, I'll take the MT route through and through - I'd like to mention that my speciality is not getting people to go to war but to prepare them for the inevitable likelihood that they will be sometime in some future thrust into a conflict in which they have no interest but their own damned survival to manage.

So with that perspective, sign me up!

yipee :p uhm just want to ask a few q's


1. how does the economy work here?
2. how does the war work here?
3. how will you know the estimated number of your troops?(use my nation as a example, currently i had a 140 Million pop.)
4. lastly, can i make my list of tanks, no. of troops, navy, airforce, etc?
5. oh and another thing, how can i make my own map for my nation?

1 : Using the NS Dossier (http://nsdossier.texasregion.net/main.aspx)
2 : By RP-ing. As the general rule, creativer one wins. Still there maybe pre-determinated war, etc.
3 : Some masses rule : Military is at much 0.11 % to the 0.5 % of the population. this include logistics. Etc, you should read the sticky, http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13242837&postcount=4
4 : Of course, you can even make your nation factbook. It can contain your military, your government, your geography, political compass, etc.
5: Use photoshop, paint, paint.net, then make one from scratch or edit a real map one (like my nation: http://fanaticterrorist.multiply.com/photos/photo/8/1)

Eh, is it OK to answer a question here?
If not sorry...

yipee :p uhm just want to ask a few q's


1. how does the economy work here?
2. how does the war work here?
3. how will you know the estimated number of your troops?(use my nation as a example, currently i had a 140 Million pop.)
4. lastly, can i make my list of tanks, no. of troops, navy, airforce, etc?
5. oh and another thing, how can i make my own map for my nation?

It doesn't, frankly. Global-scale economics on NS is impossible, firstly because of the lack of sincere interest (which might stem from a lack of knowledge—I don't claim to know that one) and secondly because of the lack of sufficient coding. NSTracker, NSDossier, NSEconomy, SolidState, Pipian, Sunset and a couple other calculators measure roughly, according to the simplified XML feed that the game produces, national economy figures (and some comparative regional figures, but that's all). However, for the purposes of fun, they're all right. Note that they give different outputs; my account, Dalnijrus, has a number of widely different values for, say, unemployment or something (it's less variable with GDP/c), depending on what calculator I choose.

War here generally works along the principles of cooperative fiction. It's like writing a book with another person, but with both of you trying to succeed over the other. If you're asking if there's any sort of hard-coded rules, no.

It depends on what your goals, national history, and current style of running your country are. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_total_troops) has some examples to go by, but note the drawbacks and responsibility of maintaining a relatively large military force, note how these countries maintain their force, note that they have differing service obligations (liberal countries tend to be on the lower end), and most importantly note that a conscript military will not be as cohesive as a volunteer military, though that may or may not be important to your country's administration.

I don't think anyone will stop you. Just be sure to detail the support branches as well, tailored to your government style, if you're going to make an order of battle for your whole country. It's probably going to take a long time to make, as well, mind—I'm still working on Adygea's, which I started back in November. . .and I'm working from real-world data!

There's three ways. The first is to cheat and steal a map from a real place, like I do with Adygea, which you might or might not edit to your fancy; the second is to slave over MSPaint for days, working on a map from scratch; the third is to fire up some fractal map generator and use what it spits out.

slave over MSPaint for days, working on a map from scratch.

I took 30 minutes to make my nation map in Photoshop. Really, even if it means getting a trial version and making everything you would like before it expires, it's better than relying on MSPaint.

http://www.friendster.com/photos/5670200/1/622508610


my nation... sketchy,created an amateur mapper, hehe, uhm... the uncolored spots on my nation means rural area,

Reminds me, I might want to redo my map seeing as my 'current' *cough* one is from back when I was off Doomingsland's coast...

Connecting this to The Philippiniada's question I use paint, but only because it's what I've got (it came free! :D) I've seen some mind-blowing photoshops. Pretty much use what you have and it doesn't have to be a masterpiece provided people know what they're looking at. For example, my paint skills are on the level of a three year old with a box of crayons.

http://www.friendster.com/photos/5670200/1/622508610


my nation... sketchy,created an amateur mapper, hehe, uhm... the uncolored spots on my nation means rural area,

I cannot see anything other than a blank spot where the picture should be displayed. The Freindster banners are there so I know I am getting the page feed but no picture is included.

You might want to check the link or make sure it uploaded properly. Other than that Photobucket is a good picture host site.

I can vouch for Photobucket, been using it for years.

And while I have your attention Bal, what ever happened to the Investigation? It was a very enjoyable thread.

5. oh and another thing, how can i make my own map for my nation?

If you're looking for decent mapmaking software, Autorealm (http://autorealm.sourceforge.net/index.php) is a great little map generator.

Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) is great for editing borders and the like, though not to make your whole map in, and the GIMP (http//www.gimp.org/) is like Photoshop, but free.

There's a lot of decent free stuff out there to make your map in, so you're not necessarily stuck using Paint. Which is good, if you're completely unartistic like me.

I can vouch for Photobucket, been using it for years.

And while I have your attention Bal, what ever happened to the Investigation? It was a very enjoyable thread.

It is still awaiting peoples posts.

Depends what kind of negotiation. Is it hostage or government?

Government. The character was a "diplomat from hell." :) :) :)

DEFENDERS
Dynamic Revolution
Shesharlie
Brutland and Norden
Third Spanish States
Kalmurstan
The Philippiniada

where are this people?! im holding out in a war im fighting against Java Minang, Greal , and Emmerican?!!??! :headbang: :sniper: :gundge::mp5:

I took 30 minutes to make my nation map in Photoshop. Really, even if it means getting a trial version and making everything you would like before it expires, it's better than relying on MSPaint.

To be frank, very probably to the point of rudeness, this (http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9229/tssmapmc4.jpg) is definitely not all you need, and neither is thirty minutes. It's okay for a draft, but that map means roughly zero to me as a layout of your country, which is absolutely vital to me if I'm going to be considering how best to move the 123rd Corps across your landscape. These (http://attica.atspace.com/en/maps.htm), which note represent a lot of effort on the part of the player (who is not me, by the way), especially the terrain and transportation map (even if the latter is a little sketchy), are, however, much more useful to me as an enemy commander, which given the current . . . activity, is what I presume to be the main thrust of the question I answered.

As well, you can see a start of what I did with Jeuna here (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/blast_archives/Jeuneseterrain.png), before I decided to call it quits in the in-character scene, which was a combination of Inkscape, a fractal map generator and the stock Continentia political map.

DEFENDERS
Dynamic Revolution
Shesharlie
Brutland and Norden
Third Spanish States
Kalmurstan
The Philippiniada

where are this people?! im holding out in a war im fighting against Java Minang, Greal , and Emmerican?!!??! :headbang: :sniper: :gundge::mp5:

Well, The USA has moved onward... However, it seems that you must hold alone with Kalmurstan until Brutland and Norden coming...

First Contact (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547647) - a Future-Tech training RP. I hope to help people make sure they enter most future First Contact (or just intro RPs) with tact and grace, and help them figure out how to do this. I think, as many new FTers can be put off by what often happens in introduction RPs, this is a crucial thing to learn.

Trainers are welcome as part of the "contactees", and all newbie FT nations are welcome as part of the "contacters" - that is, as their own nation.

I would like to assist the Future Tech RP.


EDIT:

There, I subscribed to the page so I can help without cluttering the Thread with unnecessary OOC chatter.

BUMP for Godsakes

Um, I uh, I have a question.

I'm thinking about setting aside a portion of my nation (or having a mirror duplicate) for use with MT/PMT activities.

I am going to name it, The Entropic Isles, to go with my theme of destruction.

As a matter of fact, I have an idea for a fun little RP in mind with some more broader minded MT/PMTers called "The strange case of The Entropic Isles"
in which a group of people, some civilian, some military, stumble accross the entropic isles, and explore the island nation, however, things take a turn for the worse when a small group of no-good hoodlums take them through strange fog, and find themselves stranded on my FT world. (I got the idea from the history of strange disappearences in the Bermuda Triangle that have never been satisfactorly<SP?> explained.) Now, stranded on my world, with my FT technology, they must figure their way through some stolen technology, make their way back through the strange glowing fog and back to earth, annd then from there to escape Entropia.

I thought it would be a nice play by ear RP, and was hoping for some suggustions, or feedback on this idea, and was wondering if any trainers wouldn't mind helping me out to make it work, so I can get used to MT/PMT technology.

I would love to be able to recieve some aid from more experienced players.

I'll update whoever needs to be added in a bit. Sorry, new job. Heh.

Any new training MT RPs coming up soon?

Unsure, but I'm up for any FT training ones.

The RP Thread is still active. Shansekia. You can still RP there as you are signed up,

#1...where the FUCK have you been, and
#2...what the FUCK are you thinking?

There's all kinda shit going down.....WTF are you worrying about training noobs for?

JHTDC!!!!!

...Wha? What the hell was that?

#1...where the FUCK have you been, and
#2...what the FUCK are you thinking?

There's all kinda shit going down.....WTF are you worrying about training noobs for?

JHTDC!!!!!

...What?

The RP Thread is still active. Shansekia. You can still RP there as you are signed up,

I know, but I didn't sign up :(.

Also, wtf Xeraph? N00bs/newbies are the future! Think of the noobs!

You are signed up!... and we need your help! were outnumbered!


@Xeraph


WTF?!

Wut, I am? Interesting.

Cause if I am, I have some pages to read through...

EDIT: Oh...OOHHH. I get it.

OOC:Xeraph,WTF? Newbs are the future!
I know it's been a long time since the MT thread started,But CAn I still join in on the side of the defenders? I had some personal matters to attend to when the thread opened,and it unraveled.

WE need more Ofenders and Defenders in the MT RP Training thread........

That's easy. I'm Norway in EA, so that's it.
EDIT: DAMN with the warps!

I Guess you can still join our side as i am very outnumbered. were using the Geography of Europe. Pick your nation in Europe

Now I'm outnumbered..........:D if that happens, Shakal will charge in real soon.......

Okay*Toddles Off To RP Thread*
Toddle,Toddle,Toddle

Good thing the RP's only a practice, eh?

Hmm...I don't know if me joining defensive would help or just make it more confusing. :D

Guys. if u want to RP. Pick your nation and RP your Introduction

We need more offenders!........and defenders

Shansekia, i could use all the help right now. you can deal with Java, while Emmerican is a big pain in the ass(no offense), Greal is making life difficult for me too.

But more attacker, please!!
For Honour!! Charge at the failed noobs! (Including me)

Which side is worse off, offense or defense? Might as well practice RPing losing a war :D.

Time to get up an ORBAT...Hmm, what nations are open?

Which side is worse off, offense or defense? Might as well practice RPing losing a war :D.

Time to get up an ORBAT...Hmm, what nations are open?

Spain, or Italy.......Greece

Orbat and first post is up, its yours now greal

Greal is making life difficult for me too.

Thats my job :D

Anyway, now I'm outnumbered, I need another offender.......

Shanseka,how far up is your navy?

Orbat and first post is up, its yours now greal

I'll put up a post tomorrow, I'm leaving soon.

I'll be offender greal, if you want.

Hmm...Spain, Italy, AND Greece have extensive waterways...MUHAHAHAHAHA!

Shansekia. you can do that. see you........ When i feast on your rotting capital... muwahahaha (or Vice Versa) lol

I'll be offender greal, if you want.

Hmm...Spain, Italy, AND Greece have extensive waterways...MUHAHAHAHAHA!

You could be Italy, that way you could strike Dynamic Revolution and Phil from behind.......:D

gotta go........

Shanseka,how far up is your navy?

What do ya mean? If you mean in terms of strength...I have no aircraft carriers. Just recovering from war, you see. Of course, if that doesn't count for the training RP, I got Aircraft Carriers all right!

Shansekia. you can do that. see you........ When i feast on your rotting capital... muwahahaha (or Vice Versa) lol

Good luck. Though I still don't know which side to choose. Have to read up first :(.

Anyway, no one has any problems with me just joining in?

as in are you near the Norwegian Peninsula? I can work in some pretty good naval battles if such.

I'd like to request help too!

Oh, that'd be epic. Problem is, supposedly, only Greece, Spain, and Italy are free. :( We could meet at the Greenland-Iceland-UK Gap though or something.

And why must we use Europe's geography? :(

Don't know, Russia suited my population

Oh, that'd be epic. Problem is, supposedly, only Greece, Spain, and Italy are free. :( We could meet at the Greenland-Iceland-UK Gap though or something.

And why must we use Europe's geography? :(

OOC: Sorry 'bout the double post.

I'd like to request help too!

Hey, welcome to NS! Since imported_ViZion isn't here I believe, you might want to hold off joining NST till he becomes available (that's how I think it works). Until then, I recommend you create an intro thread (try proper grammar, it attracts people :D) and an embassy thread. You should be able to see examples of them plastered over International Incidents (we call it II). Don't forget to read those stickies. Not necessarily every word, but skimming can work too.

This may be overwhelming, but trust me, it's gets funner!

Not true.. You can also be the ME/North Africa. I, myself is Turkey, and B&P is in NA...

Oh, that'd be epic. Problem is, supposedly, only Greece, Spain, and Italy are free. :( We could meet at the Greenland-Iceland-UK Gap though or something.

And why must we use Europe's geography? :(

Europe was chosen because it's simple enough to use. As for what places are left, this hoooge image (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7363/wartrainingbaseez3.png) shows the locations of everyone. Spain isn't actually occupied as for as I know, since Third Spanish States are based on an island off the coast of Portugal, (I've not seen him post lately, either). I dunno if you have already picked a spot, but the UK is free, as is... well, you can see on the map :D

I think Spanish is in another rp.......

This thing still open? I could use some help RPing war...

Yes it is, You could be located in the Baltic or Balkians

This thing still open? I could use some help RPing war...

Cough. Greal, you just had to steal Russia nao, didn't you? :p;)

Would the Soviet satellites (Poland, Baltic States, Byelorussia, Ukraine) be too much to ask for? If yes, I'll drop Poland. Compared to Russia it's nothing! :p

Cough. Greal, you just had to steal Russia nao, didn't you? :p;)

Would the Soviet satellites (Poland, Baltic States, Byelorussia, Ukraine) be too much to ask for? If yes, I'll drop Poland. Compared to Russia it's nothing! :p

Then take all of africa or something, you could take the Balkians.......

Stok, side with greal. That way we can have some nice fighting between us.

I was planning to. I still want my Soviet satellites...

Well, there is not enough space in Europe left for a nation your size, unless you pack them together in high rise apartments :D

Yus! I shall pack everyone deep underground...

Just Take Northern Russia or something :D, I'll take the south

Take the Balkans

Yus! I shall pack everyone deep underground...

Posting to mention something some of you might already have guessed, that I unfortunately had to quit the first MT training event because I'm still slowly building up my designs in NSD, have 3 puppets I more or less actively roleplay with and am going to participate in this one later (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548892) instead as I prefer practicing a focus on a specific type of strategic and tactical warfare(Amphibious, Naval, Submarine, Combined Arms, Armored, etc) before going for a all-out full scale war.

Hi there. While I am somewhat decent at RP, I am very new to NS and would like to enroll for some help. My nation; The Colony of Triden Prime is a Future Tech Nation; so anyone that specializes in FT would be of great help.

Thanks!

If you want some advice anytime, you can catch me on black_hole_army_13@hotmail.com, kay?

Posting to mention something some of you might already have guessed, that I unfortunately had to quit the first MT training event because I'm still slowly building up my designs in NSD, have 3 puppets I more or less actively roleplay with and am going to participate in this one later (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548892) instead as I prefer practicing a focus on a specific type of strategic and tactical warfare(Amphibious, Naval, Submarine, Combined Arms, Armored, etc) before going for a all-out full scale war.

No worries....you'd be dead by now anyway...unfortunately the Shakal juggernaut has rolled through that region already

Good to see you around, ViZion...... :D

Hey, sorry... been busy with RL. I'll scan through here and update names. Anyone want to be added to be trained or a trainer?

At last, he has returned!

Well, I think I'll join the FT training........:D

I am new to this NS and I need some good sort of infomation about all the gameplays of NS i may and/or encounter. I will accept anyhelp from anyone. Thanks

At last, he has returned!
lol not full time by my standards, but yes, a little bit... mostly for this training thing for the time being though.

I see, well, it is still good to see you.

ViZion is not the only one to have returned from RL difficulties. I'm back as well and ready to take on anyone who wants training. I've got a lot of experience in all aspects FT, diplomacy for all tech levels, and infantry-based MT operations. I have moderate experience in naval and aerial operations and marginal experience in armor and heavy land-based operations.

Did I hear FT training? *strokes teacher pendant*

Where do i start? where do i start to build my nation? how do i get money? where do i post my embassy thread at?

Did you read the stickies?

You could start with a diplomacy thread.