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Kirav
27-12-2007, 23:25
you look like an A to me what am i missing?

Also Kirav: you seem to be sharing the entire border with one of my Colonies can you help me theorize a story for that...

Les-Othia?
Yanitaria
27-12-2007, 23:29
So would anyone want to do a weapons expo or not?
Surailia
27-12-2007, 23:29
Thats the colony!

So how did it become an island inside of your expanse of a colony
Kirav
28-12-2007, 00:34
Hmn....**creative wheels begin to spin inside evil mind**

When now-Governor, then-Third Officer Ian Tealford led the Kiravian expedition into South Africa nine years ago, his goal was to seek out good settlement oppurtunities in the interior.

While leading his expedition through the Drakensburgh Mountains, a freak hurricane battered the Kiravian travellers. (A storm in the mountains can get pretty ugly.)

Suddenly, the weight of the rain loosened a bed of sediment on the nearby rockface. The small but deadly cascading avalanche was bound directly for an unaware Tealford. But, at the last second, a Lesotho native tackled him and moved him to safety. His tribe gave the Kiravians shelter from the storm.

While amongst the tribesmen, Tealford heard of how they had suffered as a British protectorate. Moved by the hardships they had faced, Tealford revealed that his expedition was seeking out a colony, and then swore that Lesotho would not be a part of it, as thanks to his saviors.
Surailia
28-12-2007, 01:42
Please note that it isn't lesotho but the native part checks out, and how shall i get it surely i cant concur it
Kirav
28-12-2007, 01:54
Please note that it isn't lesotho but the native part checks out, and how shall i get it surely i cant concur it

**wheels are lubricated by a swig of brandy, begin to turn again**

So, with Kirav sworn to keep out of the tiny mountain kingdom, it was only a matter of time before the never-halting advance of imperialism reached the peaceful enclave.

At a time when multiple nations were competing over areas of West Africa claimed by Surailia, and with most of the contient's remainder already claimed, the Suraillian government, desperate for an unconflicted foothold, took to the tiny little hole amidst Austro-Africa.

It was the perfect set up. Surailia could set up airbases and administrative communities in the enclave, while waiting for their other claims to free up. Plus, they were protected because they were surrounded completely by allied territory.

As such, a Surailian air operation began. Materials to begin the colony, as well as settlers and materiél, were flown in by cargo planes. Airbases were built, and the first of Surailia's Afrian colonists arrived.
Surailia
28-12-2007, 02:00
that works...and its cool that we're allies i didn't know that:P
Kirav
28-12-2007, 02:01
that works...and its cool that we're allies i didn't know that:P

Lol, yep!
Surailia
28-12-2007, 02:15
Thats good, i want to invade one of the colonies....would that be cruel and would you help me if the other nation I'm colaberating with doesn't follow through.
Delkor
03-01-2008, 19:13
*Message from the High King of Delkor:
To the Honorable Members of the UC:

Message Reads:
Friends of Delkor, I am Tironus, High King and Heir of Tirus. Now that he has passed, I am of the mindset to change some of his decisions concerning our international affairs. While he was a supporter of open cooperation with other nations, I am more concerned of over-extending my military resouces. His re-building of our Navy's submarine fleet is proof of this over-burdened military. It is therfore my decision that Delkor will be withdrawing from the Utopian Commonwealth. I wish to remain as allies with all of you, but not as a member of the UC. I only make this choice for the safety and security of Delkor. Farewell.
Tironus, High King, Grand Imperial Kingdom of Delkor


(OOC: this follows my new policy for foreign affairs. also, please see the following link for a better explanation about Tironus: )
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546742
Yanitaria
03-01-2008, 20:44
If the honorable nation of Delkor would wish it, they can open an embassy in Yanitaria, and be accepted as an ally.
Nova Pictavia
16-01-2008, 01:28
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Imperial Communiqué

Open Declaration:
People's of the Commonwealth, a recent inquest into activities of Stoklomolvi have returned with worrying results. The Uranium mining industry has reached an all time high, devastating the landscape. Not only this, but a nation-wide frantic search for oil has left the country barren and inhospitable while the remainder of its native wildlife populations are swiftly becoming extinct. As such, the Pictish Consul pushes for the dishonourable exclusion of Stoklomolvi from the Utopian Commonwealth.

Also, we ask for a complete roll call of all members and subsequent review of their activities in order to spur life back into this fine congregation of nations.

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Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Consul of the Pictish Imperium
High Commander of the Pictish Armed Forces
Warlord of the Utopian Crusades
West Scandia
16-01-2008, 01:31
The Kiravian Empire remains an active member.

In the UC's semi-dormancy, we have been involved in forming the Kiravian Commonwealth, adiding the Echoese Liberation, and, as always, setting up colonies.
Surailia
16-01-2008, 02:05
i personally disagree that excluding a nation such as stoklomolvi. Maybe if we were to get him to curb his uranium mining for a period of time so as not to cripple him economically in order to stay in this commonwealth. he could also allow visas to surailian environmental groups to review his carbon emissions and oil mining techniques.
Yanitaria
16-01-2008, 02:21
The United Socialist States of Yanitaria concurs with Surailia.
Nova Pictavia
16-01-2008, 02:23
Stoklomolvi has already been requested to reduce the effects of his ever-growing economy on the environment. An economy that shows no sign of slowing down.
We would offer one final chance to curtail these mass infringements on Utopian policy however, we fear that the extent to which the environment has been compromised would take years to reverse. Thus, we feel the correct course of action would be to suspend Stoklomolvi's membership until their domestic environment is restored to the best of their ability.
Yanitaria
16-01-2008, 02:33
OOC: Now we all know that NS blows things out of preportion. I say that we allow some leeway. Who is to say that just because he allows cars that the people drive gas guzzling SUV's? And if the government has to choose between sending landfills into space, or burning it, and filtering the exhaust in order to erase the use of coal, which would you do? Well in NS, it's one or the other.

I think environmentalism should be entirely IC, with only touches of game engine influence being the budget, which should be reasonable.
Kirav
16-01-2008, 02:37
We suggest imposition of sanctions to curb the environmental offences, rather than suspension of membership or expulsion.
Nova Pictavia
16-01-2008, 02:38
This is nothing personal against Stok, after all, I do love 'im :)
But we cannot ignore two facts:

"A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Uranium Mining industry"
This quote can only be attained through the willing desecration of the land in order to obtain Uranium. A compromise is offered in the issue, where only some inroads are made and some environmentally sensitive areas are preserved. This however, is not the case.

"[...] pristine wilderness has been trashed in the quest for cheaper oil"
Another direct effect of non-environmental policy, and these are only two quotes currently on Stoklomolvi's national description. I have seen more direct effects of pro-economic/anti-environmental decisions in the past.

This is primarily a pro-environmental alliance, and there are clear demonstrations of negligence concerning the environment despite the possibility of NS exaggerations. Whether NS has "blown this up" or not, the policy's of Stoklomolvi itself is in direct conflict with what this alliance stands for. There are also various instances of Stoklomolvi directly stating that it would choose pro-economic policies regardless of the consequences to the environment.

Finally, what will sanctions do? They will surely encourage Stoklomolvi to further fuel their economy at the expense of the Earth in order to survive the decline in international trade. Nevertheless, there are many more economically powerful nations in close proximity to that of the nation in question, such as The Beatus, No Taxes and Binaria, who would be exempt from participation in these sanctions and continue to support the majority of Stoklomolvi's gross trade output.

There is one final alternative, one which no-one is yet to speak of:
The replacement of the current Stoklomolvi administration.
Stoklomolvi
16-01-2008, 03:01
[OOC: The mere suggestion of the last part is insulting. The uranium mining industry is accidental, as it is supposed to be arms manufacturing. Stoklomolvi must choose economy over environment, as I have banned whaling once, and that transformed my economy from Very Strong to Imploded. That will NOT happen again.]
Yanitaria
16-01-2008, 03:04
OOC: Indeed, we are asking him to choose between staying sovereign, and able to fend off invaders, and having his stat menu say he likes bunnies.

I still think that the description is entirely OOC, and that the calculator results are what counts.
Nova Pictavia
16-01-2008, 03:08
I'm just livening things up Stok, it was not meant as an insult... Remember this is (casual) Semi-IC.
However, you surely must have known the consequences of expanding the Uranium Mining industry regardless of what it was for? Certainly many nations who practice environmental policies do struggle with their NS Environmental rating due to its unpredictability, however Stok's state of natural environment comes from just as he says:

Stoklomolvi must choose economy over environment

Therefore, I conclude that the Stoklomolvi administration no longer represents the interests of the Utopian Commonwealth and vice versa. Although difficult, it is possible to maintain a balance between a healthy economy and a protected environment. Take our new neighbour, ----Kenny---- as an example. I myself did manage to balance a Powerhouse of an economy with my environment for a while, although my economy is in constant flux due to the number of issues processed per day.

As for what Yanitaria is saying, Stoklomolvi has an environmental protection budget of 0%.
Surailia
16-01-2008, 03:08
OOC:we all understand, we are having this discussion in physics thats why we have global warming....because we don't want an imploded economy.


IC:We should ask Stok one more time to allow level 5 visas to all our environmental inspectors.

OOC: lets do this the AP6 way, Very carefully


IC: Mr.Representative from Stoklomolvi please tell us what your nation will agree to, you have the floor.
Nova Pictavia
16-01-2008, 03:23
OOC: Okay, good idea Surailia. Let's do this IC debate style. Presume everything prior to be long-distance communiqué before the meet was called. Also, lets try ant tie in relevance to NS Gameplay and NS Issues in order to form a practical NS solution.

Eden, Capital of the Commonwealth

The Pictish delegation briefly added:
"Indeed, we are eager to hear the Stoklomolvi response, and in time, solutions"

OOC: P.S: Katganistan changed the title of the thread pour moi to tone down on the aggression of the alliance. Did ya notice?
Yanitaria
16-01-2008, 03:32
OOC: Didn't notice at all.
Stoklomolvi
16-01-2008, 03:35
[OOC: I forgot what the previous title was.]

"Stoklomolvi has nothing to say about the environmental issue, for we fear that what we say will yield repercussion. Hence, we yield the floor to Nova Pictavia."
Surailia
16-01-2008, 03:48
OOC: I'm on the high council right, if not can we just do that
Nova Pictavia
18-01-2008, 01:31
OOC: Surailia: It was agreed that when your RP'ing skills had developed we would discuss this. At the moment, you know fine well that admission requires a full discussion and vote and we must focus at the matter at hand. Nonetheless, I still would be hesitant to grant you the vote, as when you don't get something you ask repeatedly until the other person gives in. Stop asking the same questions and just be patient friend! :)

"Very well. You are correct, it will yield repercussion. Unless anyone may dispute the facts that are at hand, I believe we can proceed. The environmental deterioration of Stoklomolvi is an inarguable fact which has plagued the minds of Pictavia for many months. We see the advances of Uranium mines and oil fields without any thought for natural habitat, when instead Stoklomolvi should be looking forward towards clean, environmentally friendly sources of energy which do not cause such an impact on the Earth. What this conference has been called to do, however, is to reach a solution.

We have few choices between us. We can expel Stoklomolvi from the Commonwealth on the grounds of breaching the trust of her international brethren and failing to uphold the charter, or we can look towards more practical methods. The obvious is sanctions to be taken until the current situation is reversed. Stoklomolvi must look towards renewable sources of energy which do not require such substantial mines for fuel"
Yanitaria
18-01-2008, 01:50
OOC: On the issue of TFEI, I think we should accept the Damarian proposal, secretly build up our forces there, and sweep across the border when Akimonad is embroiled in another conflict. It'll save us the trouble of landing.
Nova Pictavia
18-01-2008, 01:54
OOC: I know, but for the purposes of NS, we need to at least consider calculators as IC, else anyone could alter say, their military budgets and so forth. We are playing Nationstates, after all. I'll leave this to see what the other delegates have to say. Concerning Echoia, we could easily retake the islands if we form an organized and mobilized force with tight communications. Something which we greatly lacked the first time around. Think of the First Utopian Wars, that had an excellent result because of coordinated fleet movements!
Stoklomolvi
18-01-2008, 01:54
"You are correct, Stoklomolvi has committed much energy to research optimal uranium mining and oil drilling locations, and these locations just happened to be in Siberia, a prime landscape. However, Stoklomolvi does not use uranium in extensive amounts, nor does it use oil. These products are excellent products for export, and cutting them off would greatly damage the Stoklomolvi economy. Many Stoklomolvi citizens fondly remember the great whaling incident many years ago, when a ban on whaling while Stoklomolvi was still in the UN caused massive economic recession. Stoklomolvi left the UN, and has prospered ever since. Perhaps we may reach a compromise?"

[OOC: Perhaps you haven't noticed, but I do not consider my NS page to be IC.]
Yanitaria
18-01-2008, 02:03
OOC: I know, but for the purposes of NS, we need to at least consider calculators as IC, else anyone could alter say, their military budgets and so forth. We are playing Nationstates, after all. I'll leave this to see what the other delegates have to say. Concerning Echoia, we could easily retake the islands if we form an organized and mobilized force with tight communications. Something which we greatly lacked the first time around. Think of the First Utopian Wars, that had an excellent result because of coordinated fleet movements!

OOC: Well that would certainly be easier if we didn't have a single post for all of our chatter.
Nova Pictavia
18-01-2008, 02:05
OOC: Well that would certainly be easier if we didn't have a single post for all of our chatter.

I presume you mean "single thread"...
That's a lame excuse. If there were more threads or indeed an independent forum, our communications would be diluted and spread out= Not a good idea in war. All we need to do, is focus on the issues at hand and be committed to them.
Kirav
18-01-2008, 02:10
These negotiations are going nowhere. I'm eager for war. **Shoots around threatening glances while brandishing assault rifle**
Nova Pictavia
18-01-2008, 02:12
These negotiations are going nowhere. I'm eager for war. **Shoots around threatening glances while brandishing assault rifle**

Agreed, and undoubtedly Akimonad is watching this thread. All the same, we must be committed to this war and our fleets must be well coordinated.

So far, Pictavia, Yanitaria and Kirav are willing. That just leaves Echo.

Should the negotiations fail to be resolved with significant Akimonadi concessions, the Commonwealth will return to war.
Yanitaria
18-01-2008, 20:59
Alright, alright, truce. No need to have us fighting amongst ourselves. We need to move forward, but we also need to move together.

My new navy won't be ready until questers okays or rejects my order.
Nova Pictavia
19-01-2008, 01:28
Alright, alright, truce. No need to have us fighting amongst ourselves. We need to move forward, but we also need to move together.

My new navy won't be ready until questers okays or rejects my order.

If you are meaning "truce" over the Stoklomolvi issue then no, the issue is still up for debate as to what action will be taken. While I'd love to have Stok in the alliance as a friend, I feel his interests now reside elsewhere in terms of the environmental-economic debate.

What action is to be taken over Echoia, as at the moment all I have done is succeeded in pissing off Damirez >_< which I am sorry about, but again it is just the IC inquiries Pictavia would take.
Akimonad
19-01-2008, 02:38
OOC: On the issue of TFEI, I think we should accept the Damarian proposal, secretly build up our forces there, and sweep across the border when Akimonad is embroiled in another conflict. It'll save us the trouble of landing.

Um, no. You'll play fairly, or I'll glass your capitol.
Nova Pictavia
19-01-2008, 02:44
Um, no. You'll play fairly, or I'll glass your capitol.

Ha! Play fairly... :rolleyes:
Yanitaria
19-01-2008, 02:57
Um, no. You'll play fairly, or I'll glass your capitol.

OOC: Yes, because holding the citizens of the capital is really fair. Of course, if you think that a fight on fair gound, on your turf, with your defenses ready, and Questerian backing is unfair, then we obviously see how much confidence you have in your RPing ability.
Akimonad
19-01-2008, 14:32
Ha! Play fairly... :rolleyes:

?

OOC: Yes, because holding the citizens of the capital is really fair. Of course, if you think that a fight on fair gound, on your turf, with your defenses ready, and Questerian backing is unfair, then we obviously see how much confidence you have in your RPing ability.

Er, in my proposal, the capitol was split. That's Damirez's proposal.

And backstabbing would be less than pleasant for those doing the stabbing.
Kirav
19-01-2008, 20:07
Knock it off, y'all. [That include you, UC members.]

Keep what goes on in IC away from the player controlling it.
Surailia
19-01-2008, 20:55
I have read and agree with all stated in the Commonwealth's Charter.

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OOC:And from what i can tell i have 2/3s of the high councilors voting for my "joination"
Stoklomolvi
19-01-2008, 21:29
Is there no response?
Surailia
19-01-2008, 21:33
@stok to what?
Stoklomolvi
19-01-2008, 22:01
My post.
Nova Pictavia
19-01-2008, 23:10
I have read and agree with all stated in the Commonwealth's Charter.

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OOC:And from what i can tell i have 2/3s of the high councilors voting for my "joination"

You read my last post, no? In the case you missed it here it is. If you didn't miss it then kindly re-read it. This is the sort of continued "pushing" I am talking about. Each time you repeatedly demand something and then take it into your own hands, you are in fact distancing yourself from your goal.

OOC: Surailia: It was agreed that when your RP'ing skills had developed we would discuss this. At the moment, you know fine well that admission requires a full discussion and vote and we must focus at the matter at hand. Nonetheless, I still would be hesitant to grant you the vote, as when you don't get something you ask repeatedly until the other person gives in. Stop asking the same questions and just be patient friend! :)

Stoklomolvi:

I am afraid I have fallen behind. Give me a few minutes to recap and I'll be with you.
Nova Pictavia
19-01-2008, 23:21
"You are correct, Stoklomolvi has committed much energy to research optimal uranium mining and oil drilling locations, and these locations just happened to be in Siberia, a prime landscape. However, Stoklomolvi does not use uranium in extensive amounts, nor does it use oil. These products are excellent products for export, and cutting them off would greatly damage the Stoklomolvi economy. Many Stoklomolvi citizens fondly remember the great whaling incident many years ago, when a ban on whaling while Stoklomolvi was still in the UN caused massive economic recession. Stoklomolvi left the UN, and has prospered ever since. Perhaps we may reach a compromise?"

[OOC: Perhaps you haven't noticed, but I do not consider my NS page to be IC.]

OOC: Following much appreciated advice from Kirav, I have been directed towards not only looking at NS Calculators and the game itself, but also look at IC forum actions of Stoklomolvi to get a better view of policy

"I understand that some of these products are being exported from Stoklomolvi, but that doesn't escape the fact that large-scale Uranium extraction is extremely detremental to the local habitat. Besides this, selling such vast quantities of oil to foreign buyers does not divert from its impact on the Earth. Substantial carbon emissions are being released into the atmosphere because of Stoklomolvi produce. I know Echoia for example, has previously purchased oil-rich territories in order to convert them to national parks, free from any drilling procedures. I also must comment that although I understand Stoklomolvi whaling is by far not a significant industry, we still must make these sacrifices in order to protect our world. I, personally have seen many statements from the Stoklomolvi administration fully supporting its recent drive to become an economic super-power in Europa Atlantica, and although there has been no direct statements condoning environmental destabilization, I for one would be greatly relieved should the current administration re-pledge its devotion to environmental protection. I believe that this crisis may be solved without the use of drastic measures such as sanctions, and I believe that should Stoklomolvi promise to place the importance of the eco-system before its own economy, such actions will hopefully never be seen. We must accept that sometimes, economic prowess must be sacrificed in order to maintain our role in protecting the earth, although this is not always the case."
Stoklomolvi
19-01-2008, 23:43
"The apparently most vociferous members of the Utopian Commonwealth, namely Nova Pictavia and the Far Echo Islands, have but strong and very strong economies. While very caring for the environment, the economies of these nations have been sacrificed. Looking at Binaria and No Taxes, nation that could not care less for the environment, their economies are utterly immense. Now, with the ideals of so-called 'communism' embedded into Stoklomolvi, the government is responsible for the distributions of goods and luxuries. Surely a poor economy would decimate the populace, and hence we must watch over ourselves before the environment?"
Nova Pictavia
19-01-2008, 23:46
"The apparently most vociferous members of the Utopian Commonwealth, namely Nova Pictavia and the Far Echo Islands, have but strong and very strong economies. While very caring for the environment, the economies of these nations have been sacrificed. Looking at Binaria and No Taxes, nation that could not care less for the environment, their economies are utterly immense. Now, with the ideals of so-called 'communism' embedded into Stoklomolvi, the government is responsible for the distributions of goods and luxuries. Surely a poor economy would decimate the populace, and hence we must watch over ourselves before the environment?"

"Indeed, your expertise on such political issues surpasses my own, but one thing has been made clear. By mimicking the un-environmental practices of the aforementioned Binaria and No Taxes, Stoklomolvi no longer represents the ideals the Utopian Commonwealth stands for"
Kirav
19-01-2008, 23:50
"The apparently most vociferous members of the Utopian Commonwealth, namely Nova Pictavia and the Far Echo Islands, have but strong and very strong economies. While very caring for the environment, the economies of these nations have been sacrificed. Looking at Binaria and No Taxes, nation that could not care less for the environment, their economies are utterly immense. Now, with the ideals of so-called 'communism' embedded into Stoklomolvi, the government is responsible for the distributions of goods and luxuries. Surely a poor economy would decimate the populace, and hence we must watch over ourselves before the environment?"

We have managed to build a Thriving economy by supporting eco-sensitive industries in lieu of pollutant and damaging ones. A nation can prosper without oil. In Siberia, you posess a wealth of metallic rescources, hydropower opportunities, and **coughs** cheap labour (In the form of Samoyeds, Chukchis, Tartars, etc.), with which you can compensate for losses in oil revenue. The defining choice is that betwixt what is right, and what is easy. [[OOC: So says some rabbi I ran into on the street last week, and so say I.]]
Stoklomolvi
19-01-2008, 23:50
"Stoklomolvi will not be replacing its government at any time voluntarily, though could watch over the environment a bit better while still providing for its people. A compromise, in a sense."
Nova Pictavia
19-01-2008, 23:52
"Indeed! A compromise would be fit in order to not decimate the Stoklomolvi economy. What do you propose?"
Stoklomolvi
19-01-2008, 23:54
"Stoklomolvi could funnel money slowly to the environmental funds, while not becoming an environmental paradise."
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 00:26
"Ultimately, her goal should be to become an environmental paradise. But I understand, we would greatly welcome increased environmental protection in Stoklomolvi to maintain her place in the Lower Council. Although High Council membership would not be possible at this time, I feel that the Commonwealth would be eager to commit her resources to aiding the Stoklomolvi transformation. Shall we say this issue is closed for two weeks, in which time Stoklomolvi may present evidence of her efforts?"
Stoklomolvi
20-01-2008, 00:29
[OOC: I would consider two weeks to be two days ICly, since two real weeks would equate to a long, long time.]

"And what would be of Stoklomolvi if the environment does not improve?"
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 00:35
[OOC: I would consider two weeks to be two days ICly, since two real weeks would equate to a long, long time.]

"And what would be of Stoklomolvi if the environment does not improve?"

OOC: Yeah, I mean two weeks in RL

"I hope it will not come to that, but we'll just have to face the fact that the goals of this alliance and the goals of Stoklomolvi are completely different. Feel free to update the council at any time, friend"
Stoklomolvi
20-01-2008, 00:43
[OOC: Fine...20 years...]

"If the environment of Stoklomolvi actually worsens, we will take measures to improve it. Then we have reached a compromise. Most excellent."
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 01:06
[OOC: Fine...20 years...]

"If the environment of Stoklomolvi actually worsens, we will take measures to improve it. Then we have reached a compromise. Most excellent."

OOC: Erm... You can have 2RL days or whatever if you want, i just felt 2RL weeks would be enough to begin to enact more environmental policies issue and IC wise without damaging your economy significantly

"My apologies, I believe you have misunderstood. We wish to see improvements in the environment of Stoklomolvi now, not before things continue to get worse. As I understood it, Stoklomolvi was going to begin to commit more finances to environmental protection as of this moment, gradually improving her habitat"
Stoklomolvi
20-01-2008, 01:14
"No no, we believe it is you who have misunderstood. We will contribute to the improvement of the Stoklomolvi environment, and we will inform you if measures do not work and the environment worsens."
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 01:27
"So is Stoklomolvi taking action to improve its methods of environmental protection now, or isn't it? Stoklomolvi will have to begin reversing the damage done to the environment through its recent economic growth if it wants to close the deal on this. Simply put, this is not up for negotiation. We simply cannot house a nation in a pro-environmental alliance who is not prepared to take a pro-environmental stance."
Stoklomolvi
20-01-2008, 01:35
"Stoklomolvi will not be at any point voluntarily be reducing economic growth for the sake of anything. We will be implementing economic policies whenever possible, though economic recession is an option we will not be choosing."
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 01:45
"Very well, then I believe Stoklomolvi no-longer upholds the ideals this alliance strives for, and since it does not abide by the Charter of the Utopian Commonwealth then I am sorry to say that it may no longer benefit from membership. Despite this, we hope that good relations continue between our peoples into the future and effort is taken to ensure the continuation of diplomatic dialogue."
Kirav
20-01-2008, 01:47
Picts, check Tg's. I've made a flag, too.
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 01:58
Picts, check Tg's. I've made a flag, too.

You bet me to it! Check your TG's too and send me the direct link if you will.

EDIT: My last TG was sent before I saw you'd made a flag.
Stoklomolvi
20-01-2008, 02:01
"Well then, that was a most productive diplomatic session. You will be hearing from my superiors soon."

The unnamed diplomat leaves. A while later, a message arrives.

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Open Diplomatic Communiqué

Due to the fact that Stoklomolvi would have to go against its own interests to actually be in the so-called "Utopian" Commonwealth, Stoklomolvi recognises that it no longer is tied to the UC. In addition, Stoklomolvi revokes its recognition of such an alliance. Good day.

Regards,
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Grigor Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
Civilian Management
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Kirav
20-01-2008, 02:06
You bet me to it! Check your TG's too and send me the direct link if you will.

EDIT: My last TG was sent before I saw you'd made a flag.

Checked and replied. I like the emblem you made with the dagger. It'd make a good military insignia.
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 02:07
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Imperial Communiqué

Open Declaration:
Whether or not Stoklomolvi pretends the UC doesn't exist does not effect the alliance whatsoever. We would like to take this opportunity to wish the people of Stoklomolvi all the best for the future.

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Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Consul of the Pictish Imperium
High Commander of the Pictish Armed Forces
Warlord of the Utopian Crusades
Yanitaria
20-01-2008, 03:27
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The USSY feels that it can no longer be a part of this alliance. We wish the best for the remaining nations, and hope that we can still have good relations between our peoples.
Surailia
20-01-2008, 03:42
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The Imperial Council

Dearest Utopian Commonwealth,
Due to a death in the Surailian Royalty, The Chairman Adam Gaultier, it would be best for all to also pull itself from this alliance. We hope that we can remain close to all the Member nations.

The Royal Families and provisional government of Surailia
Surailia
20-01-2008, 03:44
OOC:this has nothing to do with the NOP I just feel that my nation can do more environmentally without havening to give up 0.05 of my army
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 03:45
OOC: Haha, I was waiting for a reaction from "The New Oslo Pact". I am sorry that it has had to come to this, but having an anti-environmental nation in an environmental alliance is a fundamental paradox that must be addressed accordingly. Please do not confuse IC relations with OOC feelings as I can't help but think you have. Nevertheless, best of luck!
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 04:05
OOC:this has nothing to do with the NOP I just feel that my nation can do more environmentally without havening to give up 0.05 of my army

The UC-RRF was never officially implemented.
Yanitaria
20-01-2008, 04:13
OOC: I am leaving because I am doing just as bad with my environmental policies, and yet no one has said anything.
Nova Pictavia
20-01-2008, 04:21
OOC: I am leaving because I am doing just as bad with my environmental policies, and yet no one has said anything.

Your page says Yanitaria is "Environmentally stunning" and you contribute $642,329,673,902.78 annually towards the environment according to NS Dossier.

The UC is hereby disbanded following the breakdown of its membership. Since the only active and sovereign member is that of The Silver Imperium, the alliance has been superseded by said organization. Pending circumstance, the UC may be reformed at a later date.
Yanitaria
20-01-2008, 04:22
Yes, but recently it said that Yanitaria was covered in smog, and that paradise was being paved with parking lots and such.
Stoklomolvi
20-01-2008, 05:01
[OOC: I hope that I didn't cause any of this...]
Akimonad
20-01-2008, 13:31
*cackles evilly*
The Garbage Men
20-01-2008, 15:11
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