NationStates Jolt Archive

Welcome to the beginning of the NS Earth of Customization (hereafter referred to as EC). As the title suggests this is an earth where customization of your own nation is allowed to a great extent and where one can RP their NS nation in the past, using real world territories and populations. We will be starting this in the year 1895 CE, however the only things that will be the same as in 1895 are populations and geography. If you care to you can create a tiny nation of Chinese people following Hinduism in Scandinavia or any possible combination of ethnicity, culture and religion anywhere on earth that isn't already claimed. Now many earths have been that way before, including some very goods ones, but too many of them have failed for a lack of order and balance. In EC one cannot have both a huge nation, a powerful economy and a powerful military and now I will proceed to explain to you, as succinctly as possible, how this order and balance is accomplished.

Everyone starts out on an equal footing in this RP, with 20 points each no matter how many posts you have or how big your NS nation is. These points can be used to purchase varying starting attributes that give certain benefits, the first of which is land. Below this paragraph you see two links to maps, labeled "Claims Map" and "Point Costs Map", both of which are very straightfoward. The Claims Map simply shows the current land claims, while the Point Costs Map shows how many points each piece of land costs (If you don't like the divisions on the map, post or tg me with a map of what you want to claim and I will tell you how much it costs). You can spend all of your 20 points to get a huge chunk of land, but then you will find yourself with a horrible economy, nonexistant military and you will still be in the Dark Ages technologically. When you acquire a piece of land, you get its historical 1895 population along with its natural resources (obviously you also get the topography and geography of that territory in real life). However as I stated earlier those will be the only things about the land that are the same as in real life.

Point Costs Map (http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7100/blankmapclaimsworldee8.png)

Claims Map (http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/140/0claimsmapecworldxf8.png)

Claims List
Al-Shiqshiqiyya (Brown) - Missouri and Ohio US Territories
Bredford (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537413) (Purple) - Korea (Home Country); Taiwan, Ceylon (Colonies)
Callang Provinces (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537466) - Spain, Portugal, Morocco
Candistan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537378) (Orange) - Finland, Sweden (Home Country); UAE, Mauritania, Oman (Colonies)
Carloginias - Egypt
Cookborough (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537428) (Medium-Light Blue) - Italy (Home Country); Saudi Arabia (Colony)
Deseret State (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13024119#post13024119) - Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, part of Colorado, part of Texas
Donavann - Alberta, Manitoba, Upper Midwestern US, Greenland
Honako (Dark Red) - UK
Kampfers - Guangdong, Guangxi, Hainan
Kansiov (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13025203&posted=1#post13025203) - Australia
Kroando (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537287) (Red) - Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Serbia, Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria
Lachenburg (Very Light Blue) - Denmark (Home Country); Lesser Antilles, Hispaniola, Guyana, Suriname, French Guiana, Tasmania, Cote d'Ivoire (Colonies)
Lach-Land - Southern 3 Territories of Brazil, Paraguay
New Brittonia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537477) (Pink) - Tibet, Sinkiang, Nepal
No Taxes (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13020940#post13020940) (Green) - Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg (home country); South Africa, Pakistan, Uruguay (Colonies)
Olmedreca (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537526) - Poland, Romania, Ukraine
Pyschotika (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13023615#post13023615) (Blue) - Southeastern US
Ruggkrook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13023066#post13023066) (Yellow) - Baltic States and Belarus (Home Country); Cameroon, Gabon (Colonies)
Shakal (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537283) (Black) - Germany
Skibereen - Norway, Ireland
Stadt Luxemburg - Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia (Home Country); Quebec (Colony)
The Talbott Cluster (Darkish Gold) - Japan, Philippines
The WIck (Teal) - US West Coast, Baja (Home Country); British Columbia (Colonies)
United States of Brink (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537441) - Iceland (Home Country); Tunisia (Colony)
Zoingo (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13026994&posted=1#post13026994) (Light Green) - France

Economy
The second attribute on which you may spend points is your economy. How many points you put in to your economy can be very important as a strong economy ensures that you will be able to equip your army well, keep afloat in a long war, have lots of capital on hand for investments and purchases, etc. while a weak economy can lead to strikes, a poorly equipped army, shortages and perhaps even revolution. Also, no matter how good your economy is it can't handle undo strain without repercussions (like falling an economic class). Some examples of things that would cause this are a sustained large or huge military force, very high taxes/tariffs, naval blockades, or a long, intensive war. The maximum number of points you can spend on your economy is 5.

Class 0 Economy - If you choose to not spend any points on your economy, you would get an economy roughly equivalent to that of Somalia in the early 1990s, which means there would be major shortages including famines, industrialization would be something unheard of and the level of unemployment would be staggering. Food riots would be a common occurence and revolution would happen, unless you had a huge army to watch the populace though ironically you would not be able to equip and pay this army.

Class 1 Economy - 1 point would get you an economy similar to that of Afghanistan in this time period, so any industrial products would have to be imported as your economy would be almost completely agriculturally based, with very little modern infrastructure and lots of unemployment. You would have a lot of trouble paying and equipping even a moderately sized army.

Class 2 Economy - 2 points would entail that you would have an economy comparable to that of the poorer Southern American nations of this time period, meaning that your economy would still be largely agriculturally based, though the beginnings of industrialization would be evident along with some railroads. Once again you would have trouble paying and equipping (with modern weapons) a medium sized army.

Class 3 Economy - 3 points would make your economy resemble that of Argentina or another comparable country, so you would have decent infrastructure and some industry and would begin to be exporting not only natural resources, but also industrialized and finished goods. Equipping a medium sized army with modern weapons would be doable, but if it was maintained at that level it would eventually cause strain on the economy.

Class 4 Economy - 4 points would give you an economy like those of the second-tier European powers of the time period meaning that railroads and telegraph lines would be widespread, industrialization would have taken place somewhat heavily in most of the country, with some heavy industry producing things like steel, etc. Commerce, both intranational and international would be common, although occasionally (and especially in times of war) strikes and shortages would still occur. Maintaining a well-equipped, medium sized army would be possible in peacetime and in wartime the economy would be able to accomodate a larger army, though eventually it would become quite taxing on the economy (look at what was happening in Austria-Hungary by the end of WW1).

Class 5 Economy - 5 points would make your country an economic powerhouse, similar to the UK or US of the era, with lots of light and heavy industry and international commerce. You would have a large banking system, with lots of investments in foreign countries, so any nation would be wise to hesitate before declaring war on you, because of the impact your economy has on the global economy. Supporting a large army would be possible in both peacetime and wartime though it would eventually weaken your economy.

Military
Points may also be spent on your military level, though the number of points spent determines the quality of your troops, not how many you have - something which is variable depending on your population and economy. Spending more points would mean that your troops were better trained, your officer corp was more experienced and better at commanding, you army would take less time to mobilize and your troops would have better morale and would be generally more loyal. Of course not spending many points would mean that your troops would be poorly lead and trained, your soldiers could be easily convinced to switch sides and your generals and officers might even launch a coup. To give you some real life examples, 5 points would get you an army roughly as well trained and organized as that of Germany's before WW1 and a navy equivalently trained and organized to the British Royal Navy of that time period. Spending 1 point on your military would give you an army about as loyal and well organized as China's army was at the end of the 19th century - which is to say not very. Like in all non-land claim attributes a maximum of 5 points can be spent on your military.

Technology
The fourth and final attribute that you can spend points on is your technology level. Your tech level is pretty straighforward, as the more points you spend, the more technologically advanced your nation is. Once again a max of 5 points can be spent on technology, although over time your nation will advance technologically similar to technological development in RL.

0 Points - Your nation would be about as advanced as Europe in 1650, with no industrial machinery, weapons or infrastructure except for perhaps small amounts of goods that had been acquired in trade with more advanced nations.

1 Points - Roughly Equivalent to most of Europe in the mid 18th century, so still mostly muskets and wooden sailing ships, with the first working steam engines being used. Any industrialized goods would need to be imported from other countries.

2 Points - As advanced as England at the beginning of the 19th century, with the Industrial Revolution only really just beginning and military equipment similar to that used in the Napoleonic Wars - muskets, ship of the lines, etc.

3 Points - England around the year 1835, thus railroads would be beginning to be common along with coal and steam power, with industrialized goods being produced on larger scales, though muskets and wooden sailing ships would stil be the primary military weapons.

4 Points - England close to the year 1865, so iron is common as a construction material, electrical telegraph systems are widespread, soldiers are generally equipped with single shot breech loading rifles, machine guns are still very rare, artillery is still only capable of direct line of sight fire, and ironclads are becoming the predominant naval warfare vessels.

5 Points - England circa 1895, so while coal and steam power are still dominant, the first internal combustion engines are found and steel begins to replace iron. Also, the telephone has been invented and automobiles and aircraft are soon to come. As for warfare, magazine fed rifles are the standard infantry weapons, machine guns exist in limited numbers, artillery is capable of indirect fire and warships are made of steel and have electrical equipment aboard. However, dreadnoughts are still 5-10 years away and only a naval arms race would cause research and production of dreadnoughts any time soon.

A Note about Colonies
As the end of the 19th century was right at the height of European imperialism, this RP would not be representative of the time period if it didn't include some form of colonies. Thus, you can claim colonies along with your home country using the point costs map; however, colonies only cost one-third of the normal point value for the territory - so territory that normally costs 9 points as your homeland would only cost 3 points as a colony. While you can claim a lot more land as colonies, they come with their disadvantages. A colony isn't as economically or technologically advanced as the home country and in most cases, industrialization would not have happened or would be just beginning in colonies at the start of the RP. Also, culturally and sometimes ethnically the majority of the population of colonies is going to be different from that of their colonizers, which means they're not going to be nearly as loyal or as patriotic as regular citizens of the country. Some kind of ground military presence is always needed in colonies to prevent their rebellion and a combination of bad treatment and exploitation of a colony and its peoples along with a low military presence almost always ensures some kind of rebellion. Any territory can be either a home country or a colony.

A Note about Warfare
The RPing of warfare will be mostly freeform, though you should include rough figures of your troop numbers and dispositions in any kind of war thread. Any time you want to invade a NPC, get someone else not involved in the conflict to RP the NPC and if you can find no one else to RP them, send me a tg or post about it and I will RP them. Any OOC arguments about wars should be brought to this thread and I will make a ruling influenced by popular opinion (unless I am involved in the conflict). If absolutely necessary, I will create a temporary position of war moderator for any conflict that necessitates it.

A Note about the Timescale
In this RP every RL day will represent roughly two months of EC time. Of course in times of warfare and other incidents, time will slow as the situation requires.
Monday - January/February
Tuesday - March/April
Wednesday - May/June
Thursday - July/August
Friday - September/October
Saturday - November/December
Sunday - No EC time will pass on Sunday, so use the day to catch up or do any bookeeping you need to do.

If you are somewhat confused about the whole points system do not worry, tg me or post any questions you have. Here is an example of how I spent my points:

-2 Points to claim Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg
-3 Points to claim South Africa, Uruguay, Pakistan as Colonies
-5 Points for Economy
-5 Points for Technology
-5 Points for Military

Total: 20 Points

As you will notice I went for quality over quantity and you don't have to spend 5 points each on your Economy, Technology and Military. If you want you can spend all of your 20 points on land (though I wouldn't suggest it).

Other Rules:
1. No godmodding and bring complaints about godmodding to this thread.
2. All nations must eventually create a least some basic factbook with your nation's population, political system, military system and how many points you spent on what. Any other information you want to include should go on that thread, along with any news or diplomacy involving your nation.
3. This site (http://www.populstat.info/) will be used for finding populations of your territory and be sure to use 1895 (or as close to then as possible) populations and add to zeros to every number on the site. If you have any questions about how to use the site, let me know.
4. Only an Admin's ruling can nullify a post, and the ruling must always be by a authority not involved in the RP.
5. Right now I am the only Admin though I may appoint others as the RP progresses.
6. One must respect other players and their political ideas, IC actions, or anything else that may arise, there is zero tolerance for abuse of other players.
7. More than three weeks of unannounced inactivity will result in your nation falling into anarchy and being considered open for claiming by other people.
8. Please try to remember to put "EC" in the title of your threads concerning this RP.
9. Please round any point value costs greater than 1/3 to 1, when deciding how many points you have to spend. So if you just want one colony that normally costs 1 point it would still cost 1 point, unless you got other colonies that only cost 1/3 points. (basically nothing costs 0 points)
10. Until involved in a major war or arms race, all countries must use RL weapons that had already been invented by the year in which the RP is in. You can rename them and such, but no designing your own weapons till there is a good reason for your country to do so.
11. Overall try to be generally nice and pleasant, remembering at all times that this is just an RP, the purpose of which is to tell a story and have fun.

Current RPs
-Conquest of Bahrain and Qatar (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13029012#post13029012)
-Polish Intrigues (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537479)
-Invasion of Greece (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537493)

I assume I may claim here?

I claim the two areas that with-hold Florida and Texas.

That'd be 6 points, so 14 more points left...

Do I use these points in a fact book or post them here?

Yes, and and your claims are approved. As for the other points you can spend them on improving either your technology level, economy or military.

Edit: Map Updated

Alrighty then, so would you like me to inform you via posting here or just saying it in an FB?

This looks very interesting, I would like to join with my points being broken down as follows.

Land Claims:
Serbia/Albania/Macedonia - 3 Points
Bulgaria - 2 Points
Bosnia/Croatia/Slovenia - 2 Points
Total Land - 7 Points +
Economy - 5 Points +
Military - 4 Points +
Technology - 4 Points
= 20 Points

Alrighty then, so would you like me to inform you via posting here or just saying it in an FB?
Both if you care to or just in a factbook.

This looks very interesting, I would like to join with my points being broken down as follows.

Land Claims:
Serbia/Albania/Macedonia - 3 Points
Bulgaria - 2 Points
Bosnia/Croatia/Slovenia - 2 Points
Total Land - 7 Points +
Economy - 5 Points +
Military - 4 Points +
Technology - 4 Points
= 20 Points
Approved and map updated.

5 Econ
4 Mil
5 Tech

Sounds about right...

6 Points on Territory, 14 on that...I'm pretty sure that equals up to 20...

5 Econ
4 Mil
5 Tech

Sounds about right...

6 Points on Territory, 14 on that...I'm pretty sure that equals up to 20...
Yeah, and I should have a factbook up soon, to serve as a general guide for what you need to have in one.

Yeah, and I should have a factbook up soon, to serve as a general guide for what you need to have in one.

Sure, well I could imagine but I sort of gave up on being original with my factbooks ages ago...

So, "guide" away!

Alright, I'd like the Ohio and Missouri Territories. So that's six points right there.

I think I'll go

Four Economy
Five Military
Five Technology

That way I'm similar enough to my good buddy right there to really cause a good old fashioned stir.

Alright, I'd like the Ohio and Missouri Territories. So that's six points right there.

I think I'll go

Four Economy
Five Military
Five Technology

That way I'm similar enough to my good buddy right there to really cause a good old fashioned stir.

I'll nuk...wait never mind.

EDIT - Oi, good fun this seems to be becoming so far...

Alright, I'd like the Ohio and Missouri Territories. So that's six points right there.

I think I'll go

Four Economy
Five Military
Five Technology

That way I'm similar enough to my good buddy right there to really cause a good old fashioned stir.
Approved.

4 Points- Baltic States & Belarus
5X3 points- technology, military, economy

Points Total: 19

4 Points- Baltic States & Belarus
5X3 points- technology, military, economy

Points Total: 19
Approved and you still have one point to spend if you want it.

Also, as of right now Turkey is tentatively reserved.

Then put me down for 6 in technology! Does that men that, as of right now, I lead the world in technological developments?

Then put me down for 6 in technology! Does that men that, as of right now, I lead the world in technological developments?
Sorry, but you can't have more than 5 in tech, econ, or military, but you can claim a territory worth 1 point, or even a territory worth 3 points as a colony.

meh, screw it.

I'll start working on my factbook.

I love the idea No Taxes. Im so in.

I wish Germany for 5 points.
Economic level 5 for 5 points.
5 points in my military.
5 Points in Technology.
Thank You.

I love the idea No Taxes. Im so in.

I wish Germany for 5 points.
Economic level 5 for 5 points.
5 points in my military.
5 Points in Technology.
Thank You.
Thanks and added.

So as people have been posting factbooks, I am providing links to them in the first post, though if you could post a link to them on this page, when you post them, it would help me out (I already found yours, Shakal). Once the RP gets going (as soon as we get a few more members and a few more factbooks) I will either post links to RPs on this thread or create some sort of Hub Thread. You can post any news or diplomacy involving your nation on your factbook thread.

Bump for the day, I won't be back till later today, but until then all claims that correctly follow the points system are approved.

i would like to start a nation here:

Korea as Homeland(4 points)

Taiwan and Ceylon as colonies (1 point)

economy 5 points

military 5 points

technology 5 points

i shall start making a factbook if you approve.

Edit: i changed my territories, Korea Taiwan and Ceylon instead of North-east USA Cuba and Newzealand. i believe we the USA is too crowded (three nations is quite much.) so i leave for the east.

France, with 5 in everything else.

Will it be possible to earn more points later on in the game?

Appears rather interesting. Let's hope it holds up longer than the prior RP projects I've attempted to invest some time into. My claims are as listed below:

Homeland: Denmark [1]

Colonial Holdings: Lesser Antillies [1], Hispaniola [1], Guyana [1], Suriname [1]

Other Investments: Economics [5], Technology [5], Military [5]

Total: 20

Appears rather interesting. Let's hope it holds up longer than the prior RP projects I've attempted to invest some time into. My claims are as listed below:

Homeland: Denmark [1]

Colonial Holdings: Lesser Antillies [1], Hispaniola [1], Guyana [1], Suriname [1]

Other Investments: Economics [5], Technology [5], Military [5]

Total: 20

you still have points left (if i understand the point system correctly.) if you take territory as colony and not as homeland its costs only 1/3 of its point 'price'.

so you can take Lesser Antillies, Hispaniola, and Guyana with one point, and in addition to Suriname you can take another 2-point colony or another two 1-point colonies.

OOC:

I call all the new players to 'create' their nation in the east (China, Japan, or even India, Thailand, Indonesia or Australia.)

I'd like to declare the Republic of California.

HomeLand- Calif Territory

Total 3pts.

Colonies-

North Mexico/Baja
Panama
British Columbia
Alaska

Total 4 pts.

Land Total 7pts.

Tech 5pts.
Mil 4pts.
Econ 4pts

Total Pts spent 20

Id like to claim Japan and the Philippines as homeland
and four pts in Mil/Econ/Tech for 20 total.

Thanks

Homeland: Italy [4]

Colonies: Saudi Arabia [1]

Other Investments: Economics [5], Technology [5], Military [5]

Total: [20]

Id like to claim Japan (actually reviewing it again...)

if you still look for eastren nation (and i hope you still do.), i would suggest China. (one of the Chinese Territories.).

If you change your mind about Japan please tell me, i was looking to claim that earlier

Can I get the two places in the far west of China, and nepal, it has no point.

5 for all

May I take the United Kingdom (do I get Ireland with that as it's circa 1895?) with five points for military, technology and economics if I can.

May I take the United Kingdom (do I get Ireland with that as it's circa 1895?) with five points for military, technology and economics if I can.

as you can see on the map, Britain only includes north-ireland.

the province of Ireland is worth 3 points.

as you can see on the map, Britain only includes north-ireland.

the province of Ireland is worth 3 points.

Well, it was worth the try.

Well, it was worth the try.

our earth does get stranger (compared to real life.) while i colonized Taiwan and Ceylon, the three prominet european powers (France, Britain, Germany.) don't have colonies at all..

BTW Guys -

Don't forget - We pretty much make up EVERYTHING, so if you claim Japan...you don't have to play the Japanese as Shinto-Buddhists with an Imperial System.

you still have points left (if i understand the point system correctly.) if you take territory as colony and not as homeland its costs only 1/3 of its point 'price'.

so you can take Lesser Antillies, Hispaniola, and Guyana with one point, and in addition to Suriname you can take another 2-point colony or another two 1-point colonies.

OOC:

I call all the new players to 'create' their nation in the east (China, Japan, or even India, Thailand, Indonesia or Australia.)

Ah, I did not read that section. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. My claims have since been altered to reflect this realization:

Homeland: Denmark [1]

Colonies: Lesser Antilles, Hispaniola, Guyana [1], Suriname, French Guiana, Tasmania [1], Cote d'Ivoire [1]

Other Investments: Economics [5], Technology [5], Military [5]

Total: [19]

our earth does get stranger (compared to real life.) while i colonized Taiwan and Ceylon, the three prominet european powers (France, Britain, Germany.) don't have colonies at all..

Hah, that isn't close to me or Al-Shaq.

I'm [pending of Shakal wants to acknowledge this or not] an ex-German Colony [My Independence Circa-American Revolutionary Years], I went through a period of Slavery and as of 13 years ago ended it with an Apartheid Government that lived on for 7 years, and now the past 6 years it has been an Authoritarian Democracy where Segregation is still somewhat prominent. Blacks as of 1891 are allowed into my Military, and integration is allowed in certain units.

Not only that, but if our France wants to accept this then the Louisiana Territory I own is ex-French Colonial but was weaseled into my nation in the late 1700s - early 1800s. So, my countrymen are primarily French-German, with a lot of Hispanic Jews [Yes, the Spaniards of my Country are Jewish], some Immigrant Natives from the Mexico/Cuba Regions, and a Minority of recent Italian Immigrants.

De-Facto Primary Languages are German and French.

Largest Minority language is Hebrew [Instead of Spanish], followed by Native Tongues and Italian.

The Blacks of my Country aren't really what we'd consider "Black" today. Many are from the Carib Islands, only a few are really "African" Descent.

As far as I know from Al-Shaq [I don't want to be confusing for anyone, but fyi - We are good friends outside of the RP] is a Muslim Nation with an Arab Bureaucracy and Black-African Majority. Oh, and whites are Enslaved.

So, you can see where we draw the line for a nice Conflict in the making between us two...

Anyways, I assure you...None of you are going to match our "Customization".

Land Claims:
~Homeland~
-Norway: 2
-Sweden: 3
~Colonies~
-Mauritania: 1/3
-French Guyana: 1/3
-Oman: 1/3
TOTAL: 6

Economy: 5

Military: 4

Technology: 5

Hopefully this'll work.

Hah, that isn't close to me or Al-Shaq.

I'm [pending of Shakal wants to acknowledge this or not] an ex-German Colony [My Independence Circa-American Revolutionary Years], I went through a period of Slavery and as of 13 years ago ended it with an Apartheid Government that lived on for 7 years, and now the past 6 years it has been an Authoritarian Democracy where Segregation is still somewhat prominent. Blacks as of 1891 are allowed into my Military, and integration is allowed in certain units.

Not only that, but if our France wants to accept this then the Louisiana Territory I own is ex-French Colonial but was weaseled into my nation in the late 1700s - early 1800s. So, my countrymen are primarily French-German, with a lot of Hispanic Jews [Yes, the Spaniards of my Country are Jewish], some Immigrant Natives from the Mexico/Cuba Regions, and a Minority of recent Italian Immigrants.

De-Facto Primary Languages are German and French.

Largest Minority language is Hebrew [Instead of Spanish], followed by Native Tongues and Italian.

The Blacks of my Country aren't really what we'd consider "Black" today. Many are from the Carib Islands, only a few are really "African" Descent.

As far as I know from Al-Shaq [I don't want to be confusing for anyone, but fyi - We are good friends outside of the RP] is a Muslim Nation with an Arab Bureaucracy and Black-African Majority. Oh, and whites are Enslaved.

So, you can see where we draw the line for a nice Conflict in the making between us two...

Anyways, I assure you...None of you are going to match our "Customization".

interesting. i thought of making fairly normal state, expect from few changes. my culture is going to be a mixture of Jewish-Tibetian stuff, with a bit of old muslim stuff, and they are imperialist.

Land Claims:
~Homeland~
-Norway: 2
-Sweden: 3
~Colonies~
-Mauritania: 1/3
-French Guyana: 1/3
-Oman: 1/3
TOTAL: 6

Economy: 5

Military: 4

Technology: 5

Hopefully this'll work.

Both of these territories have already been claimed.

Both of these territories have already been claimed.

Has Finland?

Has Finland?

no i think.

Okay then, switch Norway to Finland and French Guyana to the UAE.

My factbook is ready!!! Get ready for the Strangest State!!!

The Mechanicus States (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13023066#post13023066)

Since I have one point left over and colonies only cost one-third of the normal point value, could I have Cameroon and Gabon for a total of 1 point?

OK this sounds like one of the better RP threads here. I request that I have the following:

3 points to claim the Great Basin
3 points to claim the United States West Coast
5 points for my tech level
4 points for my military
5 Points for my economy

1895 CE
And I pretty sure somebody already asked for California.

Also, is there a certain time period in which you wish to have our factbook/bios in?

Wow, there have been a ton of posts since I left, but that's good, it's just going to take me a while to sort through them all.

i would like to start a nation here:

Korea as Homeland(4 points)

Taiwan and Ceylon as colonies (1 point)

economy 5 points

military 5 points

technology 5 points

i shall start making a factbook if you approve.

Edit: i changed my territories, Korea Taiwan and Ceylon instead of North-east USA Cuba and Newzealand. i believe we the USA is too crowded (three nations is quite much.) so i leave for the east.
Approved.

France, with 5 in everything else.

Will it be possible to earn more points later on in the game?

Approved, you can advance technologically and get better militarily if you fight in more wars, though you can't (as of right now) earn more "points." And of course you can try to conquer more land.

I'd like to declare the Republic of California.

HomeLand- Calif Territory

Total 3pts.

Colonies-

North Mexico/Baja
Panama
British Columbia
Alaska

Total 4 pts.

Land Total 7pts.

Tech 5pts.
Mil 4pts.
Econ 4pts

Total Pts spent 20
Approved.

Id like to claim Japan and the Philippines as homeland
and four pts in Mil/Econ/Tech for 20 total.

Thanks
Approved.

Homeland: Italy [4]

Colonies: Saudi Arabia [1]

Other Investments: Economics [5], Technology [5], Military [5]

Total: [20]
Approved.

Can I get the two places in the far west of China, and nepal, it has no point.

5 for all
Approved.

May I take the United Kingdom (do I get Ireland with that as it's circa 1895?) with five points for military, technology and economics if I can.
Approved, though you don't get Ireland.

Homeland: Denmark [1]

Colonies: Lesser Antilles, Hispaniola, Guyana [1], Suriname, French Guiana, Tasmania [1], Cote d'Ivoire [1]

Other Investments: Economics [5], Technology [5], Military [5]

Total: [19]
Approved.

Land Claims:
~Homeland~
-Finland: 2
-Sweden: 3
~Colonies~
-Mauritania: 1/3
-UAE: 1/3
-Oman: 1/3
TOTAL: 6

Economy: 5

Military: 4

Technology: 5

Hopefully this'll work.
Approved.

Since I have one point left over and colonies only cost one-third of the normal point value, could I have Cameroon and Gabon for a total of 1 point?
Yes.

3 points to claim the Great Basin
3 points to claim the United States West Coast
5 points for my tech level
4 points for my military
5 Points for my economy

Also, is there a certain time period in which you wish to have our factbook/bios in?
Sorry, but the US west coast has already been claimed. To your question no, but try to get it up sometime soon and before you start heavily RPing.

So anyone correct me if I have approved overlapping claims or anything like that. Claims list and map update coming soon.

Claims list and map updated (and alphabetized), so now just start working on those factbooks.

*Reposting Factbook*

The Mechanicus States (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13023066#post13023066)

What do you think?

Sorry about that, I did not see their claim.

I will instead ask for the purchase of the region (Colorado, the Rockies?) directly to the East of the Great basin.

(That is my remaining 3 points.)

EDIT: Being a new member, can someone point me towards the place I should put my Country bio once I am done with it?

*Reposting Factbook*

The Mechanicus States (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13023066#post13023066)

What do you think?
It looks interesting, though you might want to be careful having 3% of your pop in the military, you can sustain that short term but eventually it will hurt you economically. Kroando, you might want to watch out for that too.

Sorry about that, I did not see their claim.

I will instead ask for the purchase of the region (Colorado, the Rockies?) directly to the East of the Great basin.

(That is my remaining 3 points.)

EDIT: Being a new member, can someone point me towards the place I should put my Country bio once I am done with it?
Approved and just post it as a new thread in international incidents, albeit with "EC" in the title.

edited factbook for 2% total population.

It looks interesting, though you might want to be careful having 3% of your pop in the military, you can sustain that short term but eventually it will hurt you economically. Kroando, you might want to watch out for that too.


Approved and just post it as a new thread in international incidents, albeit with "EC" in the title.
Not all of my military is active, many of them are workers, and only fight when called up... but I'll knock the numbers down a bit.

Alberta/Saskachewan - 2
Colonies
Ontario - 3
New York/New England - 4
North Canada - 2
Adds up to three points total for colonies

Military - 5
Economy - 5
Technology - 5
Total = 20

:P

Norway=2
Ireland=3

Economy=5
Technology=5
Military=5

Total=20.

Okay this is retarded...

You need to re-do the Colonial system, because people are just finding the loop hole to get a larger nation that is all centralized. There is no way in hell you Colonize your neighboring zone...

IE -

Make it so that you may only have Colonies that are more than so many zones away...

Otherwise, I may as well have just claimed both Mexicos and the Texas Zone as Colonies...

Oh and -

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13023615#post13023615

^---Factbook---^

I think No Taxes' system is good. There are disadvantages to having colonies, and they are obvious. The first one? The people are not your people, they are oppressed subjects. If a colony is invaded, it's people will probably support the invaders, so right there, you're fucked. Revolution and rebellion are much more common. In a colony, the infrastructure is not nearly as well developed. The soldiers from colonial holdings are inferior to those from the homeland. So these people that colonize neighboring countries are just setting themselves up for revolution and invasion, it will come back to bite them in the ass. Think of Austria-Hungry. The majority of their Balkan holdings were in effect, 'Colonies'.

I don't think the Habsburg Dominions were exploiting a point-based system so that they may be completely and fully advanced while having a fuck load of land ;).

The system is fine, just there is a loophole in it if you're looking to have a lot more land being centralized into one area...

G2G for now, but...whatever he decides he decides.

May I have Spain, Portugal and Morocco?

That would be 9 points right? Can I not bother with Western Sahara and call it 8 though. I mean Morocco only annexed it in 1979...

Whole of Austrailia: 5 points
Military: 5
Technology: 5
Economy: 5

Okay this is retarded...

You need to re-do the Colonial system, because people are just finding the loop hole to get a larger nation that is all centralized. There is no way in hell you Colonize your neighboring zone...

IE -

Make it so that you may only have Colonies that are more than so many zones away...

Otherwise, I may as well have just claimed both Mexicos and the Texas Zone as Colonies...
Those who have been claiming large continous colonies will have their fair share of disadvantages. For one thing, having such large land areas will simply mean that they'll have to have a big army to police all their colonies and even their home country, since many of the colonial problems will spill over to the nearby home country. Also, having large chunks of undeveloped, culturally different, backwards land bordering your homeland will only hurt the economy and the home country will began to be flooded by poor colonial immigrants whom can only cause tention with the native citizens of the nation. And any rebellions in the colonies would quickly also spread to the homeland, forcing them to fight in both the colonies and their homeland. Lastly, having such huge colonies means that in any rebellion, the colonies will have lots of angry people right on the doorstep of their colonizer whom in most cases will be outnumbered and undermined by colonial immigrants in their own country. A good example would not be Austria-Hungary, but rather an Austria-Hungary that was trying to control a Serbian nation right on its border that outnumbered AH greatly. I will allow people to claim colonies bordering their nation, but they have to realize the numerous disadvantages that will ensue.

I'm going by the map, so I hope these are all still available.

Home Country: Iceland (1)
Colonies: Svalbard, Greenland, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia, Madagascar, Quebec (4)
Military 5
Technology 5
Economy 5

Total 20

Alberta/Saskachewan - 2
Colonies
Ontario - 3
New York/New England - 4
North Canada - 2
Adds up to three points total for colonies

Military - 5
Economy - 5
Technology - 5
Total = 20

:P
Approved, though you might want to rethink your land claims first because your nation of less than 200,000 people will not be able to hold down colonies with tens of millions of people, so you can expect pretty much instant rebellion with these claims.

Norway=2
Ireland=3

Economy=5
Technology=5
Military=5

Total=20.
Approved.

May I have Spain, Portugal and Morocco?

That would be 9 points right? Can I not bother with Western Sahara and call it 8 though. I mean Morocco only annexed it in 1979...
Western Sahara is basically worth 0 points, so it would still cost you 9 points, but how do you want the rest of your points distributed?

Whole of Austrailia: 5 points
Military: 5
Technology: 5
Economy: 5
Approved.

Home Country: Iceland (1)
Colonies: Svalbard, Greenland, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia, Madagascar, Quebec (4)
Military 5
Technology 5
Economy 5

Total 20
Approved, though like I said to Jaredcohenia, a word of warning to the wise, your country of 75,000 people is simply not physically capable of holding down those colonies.

Okay this is retarded...

You need to re-do the Colonial system, because people are just finding the loop hole to get a larger nation that is all centralized. There is no way in hell you Colonize your neighboring zone...

IE -

Make it so that you may only have Colonies that are more than so many zones away...

Otherwise, I may as well have just claimed both Mexicos and the Texas Zone as Colonies...

I think his system is entirely fair. There have been many countries throughout history that have owned adjacent or nearby land as a colony. The United States is an excellent example of this. The land given to the US during the Louisiana Purchase was little more than a colony (it was called a territory), in economic, ethnic, and military terms. You can find similar patterns in the historical empires of Tang China (Tibet and Central Asia), Ottoman Turkey (Large swaths of Northern Africa) and Czarist Russia (Siberia and Central Asia). In each of these cases the area originally started out as a military controlled zone which was used for little else other than economic exploitation, and ended up as functioning parts of the said societies.

I would like to claim:

Earth Custom

Iceland – 1
Economy -5
Military-5
Technology-5
Total = 16

Colonies:
Namibia -1
Angola -3
Botswana- 1
Zimbabwe-2
Mozimbique-3
Tanzania -3
Total = 13

Though this would put me over the limit by .33 so on. If this isnt ok, I'll glady remove one colony. Also I know my actual nation is small but hey the British held India and many others. I'll make it interesting.

Nation name: The Republic of Iceland
Iceland for short.

I would like to claim:

Earth Custom

Iceland – 1
Economy -5
Military-5
Technology-5
Total = 16

Colonies:
Namibia -1
Angola -3
Botswana- 1
Zimbabwe-2
Mozimbique-3
Tanzania -3
Total = 13

Though this would put me over the limit by .33 so on. If this isnt ok, I'll glady remove one colony. Also I know my actual nation is small but hey the British held India and many others. I'll make it interesting.

Nation name: The Republic of Iceland
Iceland for short.
Sorry, but as of right now Iceland is claimed (though that might change). And I mean you're allowed to claim colonies much larger than your nation, I just wouldn't suggest it.

Good point. I hadn't looked at the populations yet, but if its okay, I'd like to change my selections.

Home Country: Switzerland and Austria-Hungary (3)
Colonies: Iceland, Greenland, Svalbard, Quebec (2)
Military 5
Tech 5
Economy 5

Total 20.

Yea, i actually just saw that and went about re-doing.

Earth Custom
Algeria - 4
Economy -5
Military-5
Technology-5
Total = 19

Colony:
Tunisia -2


Nation name: Algeria

Good point. I hadn't looked at the populations yet, but if its okay, I'd like to change my selections.

Home Country: Switzerland and Austria-Hungary (3)
Colonies: Iceland, Greenland, Svalbard, Quebec (2)
Military 5
Tech 5
Economy 5

Total 20.
If I give you what is left of Austria-Hungary and Switzerland it would cost 4 points, so I don't know what of those colonies you want to leave out.


Yea, i actually just saw that and went about re-doing.

Earth Custom
Algeria - 4
Economy -5
Military-5
Technology-5
Total = 19

Colony:
Tunisia -2


Nation name: Algeria
Approved.

I think I actually found the real loophole, seeing as a got a country of 53 million ppl, and max everything,although it has 1 major weakness it lacks most rare resources except coal and iron...

He should drop Iceland i think. If that were the case I'd go back to my original and maybe drop a colony myself.

I think I actually found the real loophole, seeing as a got a country of 53 million ppl, and max everything,although it has 1 major weakness it lacks most rare resources except coal and iron...
Yeah some of the European countries like Germany, France and the UK and some of the Indian and Chinese territories offer lots of population for a low price and you don't have to deal with colonial problems.

Also, Shakal you have a tg.

Sorry... I'll keep Quebec and drop the other colonies. I'm sorry agian... hopefully this'll be the last post here.

Hell yes! Ill take Iceland as my actual Country and Tunisia as a colony.

Republic of Iceland it is.

Yeah some of the European countries like Germany, France and the UK and some of the Indian and Chinese territories offer lots of population for a low price and you don't have to deal with colonial problems.

Also, Shakal you have a tg.

Replied. Ya, but these lack natural resources with the exceptions of coal in germany and britain and like baboo in china...

Approved, though you might want to rethink your land claims first because your nation of less than 200,000 people will not be able to hold down colonies with tens of millions of people, so you can expect pretty much instant rebellion with these claims.

The United Kingdom had a small population, yet it effectively managed the British Empire :P

Would I be able to move my country to Ontario/New York and retain all of my claims? Or would that not work : /

On second thought, if I can't go with that option above I will take Ontario as my lead country with N. Canada and NE America as colonies.

Quick question. Does anyone have any information on monetary value during the time? Better question, should we establish a universal currency? Unlike in NS, in the old days with realistic situations, money was an object.

Quick question. Does anyone have any information on monetary value during the time? Better question, should we establish a universal currency? Unlike in NS, in the old days with realistic situations, money was an object.
My nation will be using a currency with some type of gold standard, though you can RP the creation of a universal currency if you want.

The United Kingdom had a small population, yet it effectively managed the British Empire :P

Would I be able to move my country to Ontario/New York and retain all of my claims? Or would that not work : /

On second thought, if I can't go with that option above I will take Ontario as my lead country with N. Canada and NE America as colonies.
That is fine, if you are up to the challenge. The UK was able to manage so many colonies because its population was close to 40 million not less than 1 million or a couple million.

If these aren't already claimed, I'd like to make the Upper Midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Dakotas, Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan's Upper Peninsula), Ontario, and the American Northeast my country. (10 points)

Tech - 3
Economy - 4
Military - 3

Nation Name: Great Lakes Republic

claim http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/Spoofopolis/ecclaim.jpg -11
Economy -3
Military -3
technology -3

I noticed that two nations own Ireland.

Skibereen - Norway, Ireland
Stadt Luxemburg - Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia (Home Countries); Ireland (Colonies)

That is fine, if you are up to the challenge. The UK was able to manage so many colonies because its population was close to 40 million not less than 1 million or a couple million.

Then I'll switch my main nation to Ontario and have N. Canada and NE America as colonies, please.

If these aren't already claimed, I'd like to make the Upper Midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Dakotas, Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan's Upper Peninsula), Ontario, and the American Northeast my country. (10 points)

Tech - 3
Economy - 4
Military - 3

Nation Name: Great Lakes Republic
Upper Midwest is unclaimed, but Ontario and the American northeast are claimed.

Lach-Land those claims are approved.

Kroando thanks for noticing that, Ireland will stay with Skibereen (since he claimed first I believe) so sorry Stadt Luxemburg you have to choose another colony.

I guess I should clairify my holdings, because the list at the beginning of the post is incorrect. My home countries are Switzerland and Austria-Hungary, and my colony is Quebec.

and me. im all set?

The United Kingdom had a small population, yet it effectively managed the British Empire :P

Would I be able to move my country to Ontario/New York and retain all of my claims? Or would that not work : /

.


Not true. During its time the British Empire had one of the largest populations in the world. In fact, it was this rising population that triggred Malthusic thought. (The philosophy of "We are all going to die unless we stop making babies!")

Also keep in mind that not everyone thought "we are colony = we revolt" or at least didnt act upon such thoughts.

and me. im all set?
Yes.

And yes not all colonies wanted to revolt immediately, but they would have seized the opportunity if they were ruled by a very small country. Also, for the purposes of the RP it is necessary to have colonies more rebellious to balance out the system.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13023972&posted=1#post13023972

here's my factbook.

Oh, and the name of my nation is the Northern Imperial Republik (Geographical and Political Policies named it) for the record, so when the factbook goes up, can it be under the name of that?

I guess I should clairify my holdings, because the list at the beginning of the post is incorrect. My home countries are Switzerland and Austria-Hungary, and my colony is Quebec.

Noted - Accepted - Here's your complimentary Beer.

and me. im all set?

Of course... <Evil Laugh>

Then I'll switch my main nation to Ontario and have N. Canada and NE America as colonies, please.

I assume so...I'll keep it noted for NT.

PS -

I are teh modzor for dah EC. I are helper!

PS -

I are teh modzor for dah EC. I are helper!

Perhaps you can help me then. I have made a diplomatic post in your factbook thread, and have created my own factbook. Yet, for some mysterious reason, neither of them will appear. Help?

Hmm, i reviewed the rules a bit, and think i understand the relationships between colonies and homelands better with the population factors, I did not consider the populations for 1895 which i finally started looking at with that link you provided No Taxes.

I would like to revise my claim on retrospect if that is possible, I want to repel my claims on Alaska and Panama while keeping the BC as my sole Colony.

I would like to make Baja a homeland in addition to West Coast of the USA.

If this is a problem i would like to talk further about it, its just i dont see the 1895 population of Calif/ore/wash holding down northern mexico since they are supposed to be dissidents.

So when does this thing start?

So when does this thing start?
Uh... crap. I thought it already did. Well, if not, then just ignore my invasion of egypt for now.

Invasion of Egypt -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13024310#post13024310

BTW, is the Suez Canal built? In RL it was done in the 1860's. Additionally, what would Egypt have militarily? In RL they were a British colony... so...

Oh... and I'm looking for a resistance RP'er... assuming the RP started.

My factbook is open for business now, even though military placement still needs to be sorted out a bit, so post away if you want.

Perhaps you can help me then. I have made a diplomatic post in your factbook thread, and have created my own factbook. Yet, for some mysterious reason, neither of them will appear. Help?

Heh, I'm not a Mod Mod...I'm just helping No Taxes manage EC.

I wouldn't be able to tell you, other than the forum craps out here and there. I'll check my FB for your post, but if you can find your thread again for your FB...copy the URL and post it here.

Uh... crap. I thought it already did. Well, if not, then just ignore my invasion of egypt for now.

Invasion of Egypt -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13024310#post13024310

BTW, is the Suez Canal built? In RL it was done in the 1860's. Additionally, what would Egypt have militarily? In RL they were a British colony... so...

Oh... and I'm looking for a resistance RP'er... assuming the RP started.
No Suez Canal, though if you control Egypt you can build in it 10 years, or 7 years if you use forced labor. As for what they would have militarily all NPCs will have stats of 4 for econ, tech and military. So Egypt's standing army will number close to 94,620 men, moderately well-trained though for the most part armed with single shot breechloaders, not magazine rifles. They might possibly be able to raise more militia but they would be neither well-armed nor well-trained.

Hmm, i reviewed the rules a bit, and think i understand the relationships between colonies and homelands better with the population factors, I did not consider the populations for 1895 which i finally started looking at with that link you provided No Taxes.

I would like to revise my claim on retrospect if that is possible, I want to repel my claims on Alaska and Panama while keeping the BC as my sole Colony.

I would like to make Baja a homeland in addition to West Coast of the USA.

If this is a problem i would like to talk further about it, its just i dont see the 1895 population of Calif/ore/wash holding down northern mexico since they are supposed to be dissidents.
That sounds fine.

So when does this thing start?
Today, if everyone else is fine with that. Though please try to have some basic factbook up before you start RPing.

my factbook - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537413

No Suez Canal, though if you control Egypt you can build in it 10 years, or 7 years if you use forced labor. As for what they would have militarily all NPCs will have stats of 4 for econ, tech and military. So Egypt's standing army will number close to 94,620 men, moderately well-trained though for the most part armed with single shot breechloaders, not magazine rifles. They might possibly be able to raise more militia but they would be neither well-armed nor well-trained.
How about in the terms of a navy?

I am thinking about being only low tech nation around. So I would take Poland, Romania, Ukraine, Austria-Hungary, Czechoslovakkia. Thats 14 points. The rest(tech and stuff) each 2. But i am not 100% sure in it, I am really busy at work at the moment, so I may change that then I reach home and have time to think about it.

edit: i think I will try it out. Official nation name will be Olmedreca-Hungary (no, its not multinational, Olmedreca is name of ruling dynasty).

edit2: forget it, I only now noticed that some of those countries are taken already

Finally, my factbook is up! You can find it here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13024119#post13024119

Upper Midwest is unclaimed, but Ontario and the American northeast are claimed

In that case, I'll take Manitoba and the 3 Northern Canadian Provinces/ Territories in addition to the Upper Midwest. (7 Points)

Tech - 4
Military - 4
Economy - 5

New Nation Name: Northern Alliance

Western Sahara is basically worth 0 points, so it would still cost you 9 points, but how do you want the rest of your points distributed?



I'll keep it then, I realised I was being a bit cheeky there anyway, not to mention that it was actually a spanish colony back then.

So to confirm may I have;

Homeland; Spain, Portugal and Morocco/Western Sahara = 9
Colonies; None = 0
Tech= 3
Military= 4
Economy= 4
Total = 20

Factbook/Diplomacy Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537428)

Actually, and I dont mean to be a hassel, since the Claims to Iceland were given up I was hoping to resort back them that claiming Iceland as my home country but keep Tunisia as my colony.

Stadt Luxemburg - Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia

Actualy he did not take Czechoslovakia.(also he took Quebec as colony)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13024108&postcount=88

Considering this I decided to still participate(although Austria-Hungary would had played importnant part in my empire if i would had got it). I will still be least developed nation in the world.
Territory:
Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania, Ukraine = 12 points
Economy - 3
Military - 2
Technology - 3

I'm the UK. May I claim Peninsular Malaysia and Singapore as colonies? Like the guy who took Gabon and Cameroon, these countries together add up to less than a point, so may I have them essentially for well, nothing.

In that case, I'll take Manitoba and the 3 Northern Canadian Provinces/ Territories in addition to the Upper Midwest. (7 Points)

Tech - 4
Military - 4
Economy - 5

New Nation Name: Northern Alliance

I have Yukon/NW Territores/Nunavut claimed as colonies, sorry man.

I have Yukon/NW Territores/Nunavut claimed as colonies, sorry man.

If Alberta isn't claimed, I'll take that, allowing me to keep my previous points spread. If not, I'll just stick with Manitoba and the Upper Midwest and have 5 points allocated to each category. The name will still be Great Northern Alliance.

If not already claimed, I'd also like to make Greenland and Iceland colonies, if I am correct in my understanding that territories that cost 1 point for country lands are 0 points for colonies.

I claimed Iceland but Greenland is still open.

Here is my factbook:
The Republic of Iceland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13025797#post13025797)

Includes Diplomacy and Storefronts of all natures.

I claim:
Home Country
Iran: 4
Colonies
Iraq: 1.5
Lebanon/Syria: 1
Jordan/Israel/Cyprus: 1

Misc:
Technology: 4.5
Economy: 5
Military: 3

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13025966#post13025966

This is the Northern Imperial Republik's move to subjugate Qatar and Bahrain into their Colony of Greater Oman (UAE and Oman). I'll need someone to play resistance.

@NT: Can you give me an estimate of their Tech and Military levels like you did for Kro with Egypt, please?

How about in the terms of a navy?
Not much and since they're tech 4 they would just have ironclads, say about 25 Ironclads and then some older wooden ships.

I'll keep it then, I realised I was being a bit cheeky there anyway, not to mention that it was actually a spanish colony back then.

So to confirm may I have;

Homeland; Spain, Portugal and Morocco/Western Sahara = 9
Colonies; None = 0
Tech= 3
Military= 4
Economy= 4
Total = 20
Approved.

Actually, and I dont mean to be a hassel, since the Claims to Iceland were given up I was hoping to resort back them that claiming Iceland as my home country but keep Tunisia as my colony.
That's fine.

Olmedreca]Actualy he did not take Czechoslovakia.(also he took Quebec as colony)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...8&postcount=88

Considering this I decided to still participate(although Austria-Hungary would had played importnant part in my empire if i would had got it). I will still be least developed nation in the world.
Territory:
Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania, Ukraine = 12 points
Economy - 3
Military - 2
Technology - 3
When I read or here "Austria-Hungary" instead of "Austria and Hungary"
I think of the former country named "Austria-Hungary" that did control Czechoslovakia, but since I am not sure what he meant you can tentatively have Czechoslovakia, though I am going to check with him to make sure that he did only want Austria and Hungary. Other than that your claim is approved.

If Alberta isn't claimed, I'll take that, allowing me to keep my previous points spread. If not, I'll just stick with Manitoba and the Upper Midwest and have 5 points allocated to each category. The name will still be Great Northern Alliance.

If not already claimed, I'd also like to make Greenland and Iceland colonies, if I am correct in my understanding that territories that cost 1 point for country lands are 0 points for colonies.
That is fine, though Greenland will cost you 1 point (nothing can cost 0).

I claim:
Home Country
Iran: 4
Colonies
Iraq: 1.5
Lebanon/Syria: 1
Jordan/Israel/Cyprus: 1

Misc:
Technology: 4.5
Economy: 5
Military: 3
That is fine, though Iraq will only cost you 1 point, which means you will be able to spend 5 on technology.

@NT: Can you give me an estimate of their Tech and Military levels like you did for Kro with Egypt, please?
All NPCs have 4 across the board for tech, econ and military, but Qatar and Bahrain are so small it would just be a couple thousand men, albeit well-trained and a miniscule navy. Though, don't forget you will have to make some kind of naval landing, which could complicate things. I'll RP them if you can't find anyone else.

Edit: I made a couple of rules updates so everyone might want to check the rules again.

I will post my factbook soon

Since the points map makes Switzerland 1 point, Austria + Hungary 2 points, and Czechoslovakia 1 point, I assumed the historical view of Austria-Hungary when you said it would cost 4 points, since Switzerland + Austria + Hungary is only 3 points. So if its okay I'd like to keep Czechoslovakia as a home country and Quebec as a colony.

Since the points map makes Switzerland 1 point, Austria + Hungary 2 points, and Czechoslovakia 1 point, I assumed the historical view of Austria-Hungary when you said it would cost 4 points, since Switzerland + Austria + Hungary is only 3 points. So if its okay I'd like to keep Czechoslovakia as a home country and Quebec as a colony.
Yeah that's what I had assumed.

@Olmedreca, so you won't be able to keep Czechoslovakia then, though some other countries in that area are also open, like all of Russia.

Factbook

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13025203&posted=1#post13025203

By the way, im going to invade New Zealand, can you get someone to Rp it for me?

Hello no Rpers for New Zealand?

Hello no Rpers for New Zealand?
I am working on it.

Factbook;
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537466

I'm the UK. May I claim Peninsular Malaysia and Singapore as colonies? Like the guy who took Gabon and Cameroon, these countries together add up to less than a point, so may I have them essentially for well, nothing.
Since they're worth roughly two/thirds points as colonies you'll need to take away a point elsewhere to get them, or you can just invade them.

Has the map been updated lately? j/w

And as a small suggestion, you might want to find some helpers willing to RP NPCs other than just you. That way you might actually get to do something with your nation instead of being NPCs all the time.

I can RP Qatar and Bahrian for Candi.

I can RP Qatar and Bahrian for Candi.

Okay, cool.

NT: Can you edit the first post to reflect my actual claim?

Has the map been updated lately? j/w

And as a small suggestion, you might want to find some helpers willing to RP NPCs other than just you. That way you might actually get to do something with your nation instead of being NPCs all the time.
I am updating it right now and like I said I will only RP NPCs if no one else will. I would love for some people to volunteer.

Edit: Claims List updated, map updated

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537469

Factbook

Well, you know I'm helping.

West Russia

10

Plus Causas Region as colony for 1

Economy - 4
Military - 4
Technology - 1

I assume that I can increase my points as I gain rescources and RP it, correct?

West Russia

10

Plus Causas Region as colony for 1

Economy - 4
Military - 4
Technology - 1

I assume that I can increase my points as I gain rescources and RP it, correct?

Incorrect, 20 is all, you dont gain more. To expand you need to rp killing them.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537477)

Oh, hey shakal

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537477)

Oh, hey shakal

Hello.

Hello.

That's it, i just felt like saying hi

I am free to RP as well, but seeing as I am a newbie, I may not be the best choice.

EDIT: I swear I posted this. Here is my factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537382

New claim-

Egypt- 5

Economy - 5
Military - 5
Technology - 5

Just a heads up, if you take Egypt, you're already being invaded. [I invaded before your claim.]

Thats fine as long as I can respond with the 5/5/5 power that I have.

What were the modern weapons of the period?

Thats fine as long as I can respond with the 5/5/5 power that I have.

What were the modern weapons of the period?
For the most part magazine fed-rifles with bolt action like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr-Mannlicher_M1895

Edit: I see a showdown coming on - Egyptian Style.

Ya know, I didn't teach you everything back on E6. Hehe... just kidding... but not really.

Modern Weapons-
Artillery
Basic Bolt Action Rifles
Pre-Dreadnought Battleships

Claim:

Greece - 3

Economy: 5
Technology: 5
Military: 5

Colonies -
Turkey - 5
Somalia - 1


Is that alright?

I know. I've been reading some other people's topics though. I've learned a bit.

But do you have the topic already set up?

Zukariaa;13026709']Claim:

Greece - 3

Economy: 5
Technology: 5
Military: 5

Colonies -
Turkey - 5
Somalia - 1


Is that alright?
Tis fine, but you might have a little trouble keeping down Turkey and Somalia with Greece.

OMG, Zukaaria are u still doing the religion thing?

That is fine, though Greenland will cost you 1 point (nothing can cost 0).

That's fine. It will just be 4-4-4 for the non-land stuff, then. If that's the case, if possible, I'd like to make it a part of my home country.

I'm not on the map :'(

Me on a map > http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6865/mapmapmapud7.png

My first conversion thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13026769#post13026769)

I'm not on the map :'(

Me on a map > http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6865/mapmapmapud7.png
Thanks, makes sense that I would forget about the person who requested the update in the first place.

Carl, you have a telegram.

On another note, the Egyptian invasion has been canceled. Pretend it never happened.

That's fine. It will just be 4-4-4 for the non-land stuff, then. If that's the case, if possible, I'd like to make it a part of my home country.
Sure.

Okay, I just need to ask a quick question regarding the whole Qatar thing...
First off, how are there 2,000 people defending the place when the population, according to the site you have on the first page, is only 10,000? Not only that, but it is only a 6-10 hour ferry trip from Ar Ruways in my territory to Al Sa'id, and even if a merchant ship belonging to Qatar saw my fleet, he doesn't have a radio on board to tell the people back on shore that I'm coming and by the time he did, I would have a ton of people on shore instead of only a few. So, in short, the defense being mounted by the Qatari is impossible. If you still want it to stay that way, I'll just retcon the whole thing and start over since my whole plan revolved around the fact that there would be no time for the Qataris to organize a good defense in 8 hours time.

NT, could you post my Factbook on the OP?

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537428)

Also could someone to RP resistance if i invade Yemen?

Okay, I just need to ask a quick question regarding the whole Qatar thing...
First off, how are there 2,000 people defending the place when the population, according to the site you have on the first page, is only 10,000? Not only that, but it is only a 6-10 hour ferry trip from Ar Ruways in my territory to Al Sa'id, and even if a merchant ship belonging to Qatar saw my fleet, he doesn't have a radio on board to tell the people back on shore that I'm coming and by the time he did, I would have a ton of people on shore instead of only a few. So, in short, the defense being mounted by the Qatari is impossible. If you still want it to stay that way, I'll just retcon the whole thing and start over since my whole plan revolved around the fact that there would be no time for the Qataris to organize a good defense in 8 hours time.
Bahrain had a pop of 50,000 and Qatar of 10,000, but half of that number 2000 would be militia. I agree that it would be hard to mount a defense in that amount of time, although you would have to mobilize before invading which would take some time.

Bahrain had a pop of 50,000 and Qatar of 10,000, but half of that number 2000 would be militia. I agree that it would be hard to mount a defense in that amount of time, although you would have to mobilize before invading which would take some time.

Let me just retcon it and do something different now that the info's out. I'll make a new thread tomorrow or something, I think I'm off for the night.

OMG, Zukaaria are u still doing the religion thing?

Well, yes, but I didn't see anything to reply to.

No Taxes I am looking at the no claims map and I only have the Baja Peninsula, should it not be the rest of the Northern Mexico excluding like the Yucatan ? Let me know, if not i have what like three more points?

Just to say, the person that claimed Poland, Ukraine, Romania and Czech you need to reply to Ruggkrook's thread.

Not to be a stickler, but I am not on the map either.

And according to the point cost map, I also possess the states of Nevada, Oklahoma, and Kansas.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13027061#post13027061

Factbook.

Calling.. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything but I don't like the idea of a super Mediteranean alliance in the midst of the Age of Empires. I don't mind establishing diplomatic relations (Infact I encourage it) but please don't ask my nation to join. I'll have my fact book up tomorrow.

Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13026994&posted=1#post13026994

took a while, but its finished, need embassie holders etc.

Again, Egyptian thing never happened... it was not 'aborted', it just never happened. If I need a reason... well, there is a difference between an NPC with 4's, which I thought I was attacking, and a RP'er with 5's, which popped up.

But do not fear! There is a war. Greece.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537493

Question. No Taxes, who RP's rebels? The owner of the colony? Or you? Depending upon which, you may have to RP some in Turkey.

Gotcha. DId you get my TG?

I did, and just replied.

CONCERNING THOSE WHO HAVE POSTED IN MY FACT BOOK -

I have replied to all messages.

Likewise.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9629/mapmapmapud7sj8.png

My take on the map.

Also, there are no points assigned to specific islands. I assigned the Med Islands Appropriately, but not the Spanish/Portuguese Islands as of yet. This is up to No Taxes, however there are no points either assigned to yet a bit of territory.

As well, there are plenty of micro nations that are "existing". I'm heavily supportive of giving Spain Gibraltar, and the two northern settlements in Morocco. Not only that, but I have given Italy the Vatican and San Marino and to Austro-Hungary Lichtenstein.

This is all PENDING, however, and not yet OFFICIAL. No Taxes shall review this, and give his opinion and a yes or no.

Bitte Sehn, tschuss!

all NPC has higher levels than me???

Can I join?

Northern Poland for my homeland and Columbia for my colony for a total of 5 points (Unless its 7 points, then I have to start over again.)
Tech-5 points ( 4 points if Columbia is indeed 3 points.)
Military-5 points
Economy-5 points (4 points if Columbia is 3 points)

total spent:20 points.

question about the popluation site, I can't get a poplaution figure of Columbia and Poland

No Taxes I am looking at the no claims map and I only have the Baja Peninsula, should it not be the rest of the Northern Mexico excluding like the Yucatan ? Let me know, if not i have what like three more points?
I thought you said you only wanted the Baja Peninsula, because it would be to hard to keep down Northern Mexico. Though, you can have it if you want it.

Not to be a stickler, but I am not on the map either.

And according to the point cost map, I also possess the states of Nevada, Oklahoma, and Kansas.
You'll be on it next update.

Question. No Taxes, who RP's rebels? The owner of the colony? Or you? Depending upon which, you may have to RP some in Turkey.
Normally, the owner though if he agrees someone else can. But by the way you're not really going to have much of any pre-dreadnought battleships since you're tech 4, though you can pretty much count on a pretty big Turkish rebellion.

all NPC has higher levels than me???
Yes but your nation is much bigger than all the NPC nations.

Can I join?

Northern Poland for my homeland and Columbia for my colony for a total of 5 points (Unless its 7 points, then I have to start over again.)
Tech-5 points ( 4 points if Columbia is indeed 3 points.)
Military-5 points
Economy-5 points (4 points if Columbia is 3 points)

total spent:20 points.

question about the popluation site, I can't get a poplaution figure of Columbia and Poland
Well, someone has already sort of claimed Poland and it is being invaded from two sides, so you might want to pick another country, perhaps like western Russia.

Psychotika good work with the map and I meant it to look like Italy had the Vatican and to Austria-Hungary Liechenstein, etc.

seeing as the population website isnt working for me right now, and that none of China has been claimed, can I just go ahead and be vague and claim the most populous coastal province of China? I can clarify later when I get home from school in about 7 hours, but that is all I can say for now. An I would have a 5 for military, tech, and economy. If this won't work, I suppose I'll have to hope it is still open when I get home.

Normally, the owner though if he agrees someone else can. But by the way you're not really going to have much of any pre-dreadnought battleships since you're tech 4, though you can pretty much count on a pretty big Turkish rebellion.
Ok, I'll just replace my Pre-Dread's with more Iron Clads then?

Oh, and Zukariaa claimed Greece-Turkey-Somalia... wasn't on the map.

Umm.. can i make an attack on Manchuria?

(not conquer all of it.. just puppet some tribes near the border and make sure they feel the Koreo-Jew steel fist.)

Yeah that's what I had assumed.

@Olmedreca, so you won't be able to keep Czechoslovakia then, though some other countries in that area are also open, like all of Russia.

Well, I then move that one point which I would had used to Czechoslovakia to my tech. So my states will be Poland, Ukraine and Romania(10 points) as I said already earlier. And the rest stuff:
Eco - 3
Mil - 3
Tech - 4

Also wouldn't it be good idea to include links to all EC threads at first post?

edit: My factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537526)

You guys don't have to ask to attack areas, just go ahead and attack.

Post up the link to the the thread of your Operations, and a designated member shall help rp the NPC/Resistance.

Which reminds me...

We are in dire need of members/rpers to help us by RPing as NPCs that are being attacked. If you have any free time, please respond to this bit of post with the exact line "I would like to volunteer my time to help RP an NPC ..." and include the name of the NPC you'd prefer to RP as. We ask that you have no relations with the invading nation, and/or you be atleast a continent apart. If you are later asked to be an "NPC Mod" by No Taxes, you will be allowed any NPC / as many NPCs as you wish regardless of relations and location.

Thank you, and have a good day.

"I would like to volunteer my time to help RP an NPC ..."

And that would be about it. No issues with alignments since I have none here. I can also help RP rebellions and the likes if my time allows it.

Provisional claim of Colombia for the homeland; more comes soon. - 3 Points

EDIT: Colonial Claims - Ecuador (1), Peru (2), Northern Brazil (2), Venezuela (3), Panama (2), Bolivia (2), Nicaragua (1), and Chile (2), collectively known as the Outlands in English. 15 Total, /3 = 5 Points



Technology - 5 Points

Economy - 5 Points

Military - 2 Points

GRAN COLOMBIA RISES AGAIN

Total 20 Points

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13028690#post13028690

Normally, the owner though if he agrees someone else can. But by the way you're not really going to have much of any pre-dreadnought battleships since you're tech 4, though you can pretty much count on a pretty big Turkish rebellion.

No he can't. I actually used my customization and changed the Turks into Greeks. I see no reason why there will be a large rebellion.

Ok, I would like to oficially claim now.

I want the soutwest most piece of China. It encompasses Guangdong, Hainan, Guangxi, Guizhou, and Yunnan.

That is 5 points. Then I will claim 5 points for the economy, military, and technology.

The population for this area is 57,982,500. As Hainan has no population value, I estimated it's population, but I can lower it if need be. Anyways, that's my claim, and a factbook is undeway.

Rifles for export by the Reykjavik Iron Works. See Factbook.

[Pending No taxes lets me]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13029012#post13029012

This is the "redo" of the subjugation of Qatar and Bahrain, so if anyone wants to reply on behalf of the Al Khalifa (Qatar and Bahrain), feel free to do so.

Here's my factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537481. I still have to do military and embassies, but that should be coming soon.

Ok, I'll just replace my Pre-Dread's with more Iron Clads then?

Oh, and Zukariaa claimed Greece-Turkey-Somalia... wasn't on the map.QUOTE]
Yes and it is on my map - if you had checked to look.

[QUOTE=Bredford]Umm.. can i make an attack on Manchuria?

(not conquer all of it.. just puppet some tribes near the border and make sure they feel the Koreo-Jew steel fist.)
Like Psychotika said, just post the thread and we'll get someone to RP them.

Well, I then move that one point which I would had used to Czechoslovakia to my tech. So my states will be Poland, Ukraine and Romania(10 points) as I said already earlier. And the rest stuff:
Eco - 3
Mil - 3
Tech - 4

Also wouldn't it be good idea to include links to all EC threads at first post?

edit: My factbook
Approved and I do put links to factbooks and once I get the time to IC threads.

Provisional claim of Colombia for the homeland; more comes soon. - 3 Points

EDIT: Colonial Claims - Ecuador (1), Peru (2), Northern Brazil (2), Venezuela (3), Panama (2), Bolivia (2), Nicaragua (1), and Chile (2), collectively known as the Outlands in English. 15 Total, /3 = 5 Points



Technology - 5 Points

Economy - 5 Points

Military - 2 Points

GRAN COLOMBIA RISES AGAIN

Total 20 Points
Okay some of the colonial claims are becoming absurd, one cannot claim a bunch of colonies next to their country and expect to have a large centralized empire. There is a reason colonies cost 1/3 of the normal point value - they have been subjugated and they don't want to be controlled by some imperialistic country. It is simply impossible for Colombia to be able to hold down half of South America and Central America, especially with a military rating of 2. Please revise your claims to something more realistic.

No he can't. I actually used my customization and changed the Turks into Greeks. I see no reason why there will be a large rebellion.
I don't care if they're Turks, Greeks or Sri Lankans, you chose to have Turkey as a colony and thus they will not be loyal and patriotic for you. If they see an opportunity they well rebel.

Ok, I would like to oficially claim now.

I want the soutwest most piece of China. It encompasses Guangdong, Hainan, Guangxi, Guizhou, and Yunnan.

That is 5 points. Then I will claim 5 points for the economy, military, and technology.

The population for this area is 57,982,500. As Hainan has no population value, I estimated it's population, but I can lower it if need be. Anyways, that's my claim, and a factbook is undeway.
Approved except it doesn't encompass Yunnan and Guizhou, you'll need 3 points for those. The population for Guangdong, Guangxi and Guizhou is 37,857,000.

"I would like to volunteer my time to help RP an NPC ..."

And that would be about it. No issues with alignments since I have none here. I can also help RP rebellions and the likes if my time allows it.
Thanks, would you mind RPing an NPC in this thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13029012#post13029012)

Yes and it is on my map - if you had checked to look.
My mistake, I was just looking at Psych's map.

Oh, and...

"I would like to volunteer my time to help RP an NPC ..."

My factbook isn't on the first post No Taxes.

My mistake, I was just looking at Psych's map.

Oh, and...

"I would like to volunteer my time to help RP an NPC ..."
Yeah, sorry if my last post was a bit abrupt, I have had a long day. You can either RP Qatar and Bahrain, Manchuria, or New Zealand (not sure if this invasion is still going on, though).

My factbook isn't on the first post No Taxes.
Oh yeah, sorry I'll add it now. Also, how does a Guarantee of Neutrality between our two nations sound?

I'm pulling out of this RP. Thanks.

Zukariaa;13029351']I'm pulling out of this RP. Thanks.
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Zukariaa;13029351']I'm pulling out of this RP. Thanks.
*Smacks forhead... I just wanted a little fight. Uh... in that case... I'm just attacking Greece... and I uh... need a resistance RP'er.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537493

Yeah, sorry if my last post was a bit abrupt, I have had a long day. You can either RP Qatar and Bahrain, Manchuria, or New Zealand (not sure if this invasion is still going on, though).
I guess I'll get Qatar+Bahrain.

Zukariaa;13029351']I'm pulling out of this RP. Thanks.

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So did you just leave?

Can someone get me the population statistics on the population of Egypt? I can't acess the webpage.

So did you just leave?
I think a bunch of them are leaving because they dont like the idea of their colonies revolting... so they just left and made their own RP, where you can claim as much land as you want... without any sort of realism or consequences! Great aint it?

Egypt - 9,462,000

So did you just leave?

Left as my comrades did.

I think a bunch of them are leaving because they dont like the idea of their colonies revolting... so they just left and made their own RP, where you can claim as much land as you want... without any sort of realism or consequences! Great aint it?

Egypt - 9,462,000

I don't think it's as much revolting as much as it is you saying that they'd revolt... which can be interpreted as godmodery.

I don't too much care for earths, but the guys who dragged me here left, so...

And NT just for info, I did reduce my military some, it was a typo I hit 2 making it 2 million instead of 1... :D

I think a bunch of them are leaving because they dont like the idea of their colonies revolting... so they just left and made their own RP, where you can claim as much land as you want... without any sort of realism or consequences! Great aint it?

Egypt - 9,462,000

Who cares about them. It's not like it's going to make much of a difference here without 'em.

I don't think it's as much revolting as much as it is you saying that they'd revolt... which can be interpreted as godmodery.
Me? Did you even bother to read the rules before you joined? No Taxes, the one who made the RP, said so. Not me. He told Zukariaa before he claimed that if he took Turkey as a colony, they would revolt. So he took it anyways. Then I invaded and, according to the written rules, Turkey would revolt. Then he quits. Oh ya... thats me godmodding alright. For such an Anti-Noob, thats Noobitry at it's finest.

FACTBOOK (http://http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13029553&posted=1#post13029553)

Kro, you gonna go ahead and post there?

And the Suez Canal is undercontruction.

Kroando stfu, please. I left because I find it stupid that others can decide how my nation is run. As well, I didn't like it that like an hour after I joined I was already being invaded by some guy I didn't even know existed. I hadn't even established anything about my nation or made any political actions.

You claiming that my Earth has "no consequences" to land claiming is also retarded, and I wont bother explaining it for people who don't bother to read or attempt to comprehend what was said about it.

And NT just for info, I did reduce my military some, it was a typo I hit 2 making it 2 million instead of 1... :D
Lol, yeah that makes sense.

@everyone, The only reason I started enforcing the colonial rebellions rule more strictly was because people were abusing the colonial system to claim large chunks of contiguous land and expecting to have centralized, modern empires, which is precisely what I didn't want in creating this RP. I did not plan to be so stringent on the disloyalty of colonies.

Hey No Taxes, I have a question. Let us say That I (for the sake of argument) had Montana as a colony. Now if I was able to keep my military strong there, gradually eliminate the native customs, and forced immigrants upon the land, would the colony eventually become part of my official country?

Also, I am free to RP for an NPC once the weekend starts.

Nicaragua, Panama, Colombia - 6

Econ - 5

Mil - 4

Tech - 5

Factbook to come.

Hey No Taxes, I have a question. Let us say That I (for the sake of argument) had Montana as a colony. Now if I was able to keep my military strong there, gradually eliminate the native customs, and forced immigrants upon the land, would the colony eventually become part of my official country?

Also, I am free to RP for an NPC once the weekend starts.
Over a period of decades, yes.

Kroando stfu, please. I left because I find it stupid that others can decide how my nation is run. As well, I didn't like it that like an hour after I joined I was already being invaded by some guy I didn't even know existed. I hadn't even established anything about my nation or made any political actions.

You claiming that my Earth has "no consequences" to land claiming is also retarded, and I wont bother explaining it for people who don't bother to read or attempt to comprehend what was said about it.
I don't want to start a long winded argument so I will just say one thing: I made it clear that if people claimed colonies many times bigger than their country, the colonies would most likely rebel if they saw an opportunity to do so, the rule was made solely for the purpose of historical realism, since in real life colonies were not always completely loyal. Colonies only cost 1/3 of the normal value because in claiming a colony one assumes a certain amount of risk.

Nicaragua, Panama, Colombia - 6

Econ - 5

Mil - 4

Tech - 5

Factbook to come.
Approved.

I don't want to start a long winded argument so I will just say one thing: I made it clear that if people claimed colonies many times bigger than their country, the colonies would most likely rebel if they saw an opportunity to do so, the rule was made solely for the purpose of historical realism, since in real life colonies were not always completely loyal. Colonies only cost 1/3 of the normal value because in claiming a colony one assumes a certain amount of risk.

It doesn't really matter anymore, but when someone says,"there will be a large rebellion", and when the enemy bases their entire strategy on rebellion, it really is quite annoying. That is the reason I quit. I don't want others deciding how things happen in my nation, nor do I want someone who uses the OOC knowledge that there WILL be a rebellion as their entire strategy, basically.

But whatever, it doesn't matter either way. I've been wanting to make my own Earth for some time now, anyhow.

You claiming that my Earth has "no consequences" to land claiming is also retarded, and I wont bother explaining it for people who don't bother to read or attempt to comprehend what was said about it.

Well bye then.

Zukariaa;13029629']It doesn't really matter anymore, but when someone says,"there will be a large rebellion", and when the enemy bases their entire strategy on rebellion, it really is quite annoying. That is the reason I quit. I don't want others deciding how things happen in my nation, nor do I want someone who uses the OOC knowledge that there WILL be a rebellion as their entire strategy, basically.

But whatever, it doesn't matter either way. I've been wanting to make my own Earth for some time now, anyhow.
Well then, I wish you the best of luck in your new Earth.

Kroando stfu, please. I left because I find it stupid that others can decide how my nation is run. As well, I didn't like it that like an hour after I joined I was already being invaded by some guy I didn't even know existed. I hadn't even established anything about my nation or made any political actions.

You claiming that my Earth has "no consequences" to land claiming is also retarded, and I wont bother explaining it for people who don't bother to read or attempt to comprehend what was said about it.

It doesn't really matter anymore, but when someone says,"there will be a large rebellion", and when the enemy bases their entire strategy on rebellion, it really is quite annoying. That is the reason I quit. I don't want others deciding how things happen in my nation, nor do I want someone who uses the OOC knowledge that there WILL be a rebellion as their entire strategy, basically.

But whatever, it doesn't matter either way. I've been wanting to make my own Earth for some time now, anyhow.
OOC knowledge? Like it's some sort of top secret fact that colonies revolt. Oh ya... there's no way in hell I could have expected that one IC'lly. Oh wait... yes there is. Colonies revolt... especially when their occupiers are being attacked. Thats not OOC knowledge, it's IC. And to be exact, I didn't decide how things would go in your nation... you did the moment you chose the country. Additionally, I waited for your factbook before I attacked, so you did have something up about your country. (And if you didn't check to see if you'd have neighbors before you claimed... well, sorry, not my fault) But whatever, I am not going to argue with you.

No Taxes, yes I did say it would be hard to hold down as a colony so i got rid of two of my proposed colonies using the points to claim NorthernMex as Homeland,

ends up being 3+3+1 in lands, westcoast, Mex, BC respectivly living me 13points for others

4 mil
4 econ
5tech

for a total of 20

Sorry for the confusion.

No Taxes, yes I did say it would be hard to hold down as a colony so i got rid of two of my proposed colonies using the points to claim NorthernMex as Homeland,

ends up being 3+3+1 in lands, westcoast, Mex, BC respectivly living me 13points for others

4 mil
4 econ
5tech

for a total of 20

Sorry for the confusion.
It's fine, those claims are fine.

Northern West Russia for my homeland and Thailand for my colony for a total of 6 points
Tech-5 points
Military-5 points
Economy-4 points

total spent:20 points.

This thread isn't for arguing, it's for claiming and discussing things related to RPing with-in this Earth.

Furthermore, the implication of the possibility of a rather large rebellion isn't a cry of Godmodery. It's just stating common sense, that being there'd be a rebellion and not all rebellions can be put down that easily as they have been in the more "well known" rebellions.

So, please, take all your pathetic quarrels to another thread...or better yet, to the form of TGs, E-Mails, and/or IMs.

Anyways...

Sort of hard to type and sound serious while watching Rescue Me...hah

I withdraw my claims please not that Norway and Ireland are now open.

Thanks, would you mind RPing an NPC in this thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13029012#post13029012)

Well, it seems I'm a bit late for that. Anyone needs help with RPing the NPCs?

Just a note on rebellions. It's unlikely for one to take place during the initial stages of a war and the odds of rebellion are lower if the colony is connected by land to the homeland. This could all change if the war goes badly for the owner of the colony though.

Northern West Russia for my homeland and Thailand for my colony for a total of 6 points
Tech-5 points
Military-5 points
Economy-4 points

total spent:20 points.
Approved.

Well, it seems I'm a bit late for that. Anyone needs help with RPing the NPCs?
I think Bredford said he was going to invade Manchuria.

I think Bredford said he was going to invade Manchuria.

Link? If there is one that is.

Link? If there is one that is.

i didn't start yet. i was hopping i could get RP'er for the Manchurian tribes first.

you wanna RP them?

(by the way, it is only small war. i am just puppeting some tribes in my northren border and destroy some others.)

Sure, why not, though I'm doubting the destruction part. ;)

Ha ha, ok.

my forces shall be Kanggye army (50,000 Infantry, 1600 cavalry.)

i shall do short calculation for Manchuria, then i will post the thread.

(in the thread i will tell you how much troops you have.)

EDIT: i can't find population for Manchuria, i would give wild guess of about 10,000 troops of yours. (remember, those are only small tribes.)

Sure, why not, though I'm doubting the destruction part. ;)

Ha ha, ok.

my forces shall be Kanggye army (50,000 Infantry, 1600 cavalry.)

i shall do short calculation for Manchuria, then i will post the thread.

(in the thread i will tell you how much troops you have.)

EDIT: i can't find population for Manchuria, i would give wild guess of about 10,000 troops of yours. (remember, those are only small tribes.)

Ok, I'll check it. Just point me the exact region on the map.

Ok, I'll check it. Just point me the exact region on the map.

Manchuria is the big area north of Korea (not East Siberia). you will RP the tribes that live on the border with Korea.

Manchuria is the big area north of Korea (not East Siberia). you will RP the tribes that live on the border with Korea.

Ok. Note that for them to have around 10.000 soldiers it has to be a fairly small region. There were almost 12~14 million in what was to be Manchukuo (Inner Manchuria) around that time, so any deeper movements are going to hit staunch resistance.

I'll be RPing this as a move made by your military to secure your northern borders if it's OK with you. Anything deeper and you'd face a state not tribes.

Ok. Note that for them to have around 10.000 soldiers it has to be a fairly small region. There were almost 12~14 million in what was to be Manchukuo (Inner Manchuria) around that time, so any deeper movements are going to hit staunch resistance.

I'll be RPing this as a move made by your military to secure your northern borders if it's OK with you. Anything deeper and you'd face a state not tribes.

Ok.

Well, if Ireland is now open, great. The only reason I kept my military at 5 was in case I decided to invade that country. I plan to be the non-aggressor, mostly due the fact I don't have that much spare time to be an aggressor in two earths, and because I want to be quite diplomatic, a kind of sleeping power, though mostly in the economic sense. Therefore, with a lower defense, it would be good for me to claim Ireland so the whole British Isles are safer and I can declare officially neutrality. So I'll take one point from Military and use that to claim Ireland.

Britannia's factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537626)

2 points not that I mean to rain on anyone’s parade but;

1) All the Spanish and Portuguese Island are mine right? Else wise I'm going to have to rework what I've done on my military.

2) Is this doomed to become a world where people just invade each other.. Don't get me wrong I do like a good war but I also like some time to work out who is who and some good old fashioned political scheming.

2 points not that I mean to rain on anyone’s parade but;

1) All the Spanish and Portuguese Island are mine right? Else wise I'm going to have to rework what I've done on my military.

2) Is this doomed to become a world where people just invade each other.. Don't get me wrong I do like a good war but I also like some time to work out who is who and some good old fashioned political scheming.


Us in America seem pretty peacable.

Of course, this may be due to nothing more than the fact that only one of us has our military up yet.... but I like to think opptomistically.

Honako, I accept your offer to open relations, but for a better communication network and to keep my thread uncluttered with Trade/Diplomatic/Alliance offers. I wanted to reply on your thread.............but you don't have one..

My factbook is on page 14 or 15.

Hey, No taxes, my nation isn't on the list.

Britannia's factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537626)

:D It was just a few posts above you, Zoingo.

Also No Taxes,

What provinces of modern day mex constitute my claim. Does it include Mex. City?

Let me know so i can get around to finish the factbook,

thanks a lot,

wick

:D It was just a few posts above you, Zoingo.

*random swearing deleted for not noticing thread*
thanks Honako! :)

Hey, I've been busy but I'll compile a list of "Updates" for No Taxes.

I haven't seen him on AIM as of late, so I may only assume he is busy as well. I hope our most recent "Confliction" hasn't ticked him off enough to go away.

Anyways, yea..

I poste din the polish thread.

Factbook started. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13034275#post13034275)

Btw, dont forget to add me in next map update, im being invaded from two sides so otherwise I may run out of territories before ever getting on map ;)

Olmedreca;13038133']Btw, dont forget to add me in next map update, im being invaded from two sides so otherwise I may run out of territories before ever getting on map ;)

Dont worry, I would be glad to let you exist if I get the provinces I asked for. I kinds like weak buffer states between me and possible enemies.

Going to start a thread about a century party (celebration of the year 1900).

Going to start a thread about a century party (celebration of the year 1900).

Its now 1896 isnt it... but times slowed down cuz of our war with Poland...

Still looking for resistance for my invasion of Greece. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13038512#post13038512)