NationStates Jolt Archive

I finally got a new PC. The internet company sent someone who didn't know anything about computers and screwed up our computer.

Haha, great. I thought you'd quit, I was a few days away from erasing the mighty Persia. The only major thing you missed that concerns you is I surrendered Hyderbad and Alversia lost a tenth of his attacking army.

All I really wanted was the coast of Northern of Egypt and Sinai Peninsula, along with my other claims. Plus I am not taking the old country. Also most of the population of Egypt is along the Nile River and I am taking only a part of that. I am claiming mostly desert.

By Northern Eygpt do you mean the coast (like most of the coast) or Eygpt north-east of the delta.

Ughh, sorry. Time warp, like my fifth in two days.

As long as you claim the European areas of light green, I don't care what you take for colonies. That being said, Egypt is a lot to claim, if you look at the starting colonies other European countries claimed, they are usually just the coastal regions of lowly populated regions with fairly peaceful inhabitants. To take the whole of an established country is a bit much. Even just the coast of Eygpt is a whole lot to get as a starting, RPless claim. In it's place you could take several more colonies worldwide.

All I really wanted was the coast of Northern of Egypt and Sinai Peninsula, along with my other claims. Plus I am not taking the old country. Also most of the population of Egypt is along the Nile River and I am taking only a part of that. I am claiming mostly desert.

I dunno about your homeland but that seems like way too much for your American colonies. We're playing the game as if all of the world excluding Europe, Africa, and Asia above the equator was as it was in 1492, virtually untouched by Europeans. It would be as if these areas had been discovered a decade or two ago. So basically your colonies are made up of a couple of second generation, somewhat established colonists and the native population.Well, considering about one million natives, 1.5 million European immigrants, and 1.5-2.1 million slaves I thought it would be alright, but you are the mod. As for my homelands the population a good comparison would be that Roman North Africa had a population of 14 million, with about six million of them in my area of North Africa which may well not be about ten million or more.

Well, considering about one million natives, 1.5 million European immigrants, and 1.5-2.1 million slaves I thought it would be alright, but you are the mod. As for my homelands the population a good comparison would be that Roman North Africa had a population of 14 million, with about six million of them in my area of North Africa which may well not be about ten million or more.

Yeah, I wasn't concerned about North Africa at all. There would probably be about 650,000 - 700,000 Europeans, I have no clue how many natives though but many would have been killed by diseases and in early conflicts, and it appears you would like to have more slaves than masters so about 850,000 of them.

Yeah, I wasn't concerned about North Africa at all. There would probably be about 650,000 - 700,000 Europeans, I have no clue how many natives though but many would have been killed by diseases and in early conflicts, and it appears you would like to have more slaves than masters so about 850,000 of them.Dang, none breaks a million of imported groups, but oh well.:p

Dang, none breaks a million of imported groups, but oh well.:p

Any idea when your factbook will be done? I'm not rushing you at all, judging by all the questions you're asking you're doing fine. I'm just curious as to when you can begin RP.

EDIT: By the way, Canad... I can't remember your name, I would prefer it if you didn't take Bosnia. There's an interesting RP developing there.

How is this?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13027049#post13027049

Still in work, but mostly done.

Actually, they are considered serfs as they have to pay taxes in terms of giving up a part of the crops to their 'lords', they are not legally owned by anyone and are entirelt different then slaves in status, and also the title serfs is designed different.

As for repeating rifles I will change, I though we were going exactly by 1860 tech, ironically that is when the first repeating rifles were introduced.:p

How is this?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13027049#post13027049

Still in work, but mostly done.

I posted on your factbook with suggestions.

By the way, this is how armies are working. You can make your standing army between 1 and 2% of your total population, reserves can be between 1 and 5% of your total pop. (the higher the percentage, the more IP is constantly tied up in maintaining your army), and finally, you can make military service compulsory (between 6 and 8% of your total pop.), but this is a massive drain on your economy.

As for repeating rifles I will change, I though we were going exactly by 1860 tech, ironically that is when the first repeating rifles were introduced.:p

Yeah I decided to hold off on some tech just yet. Somewhere in the back pages of this thread there's a list of technology that's off limits. Besides repeaters and barbed wire most tech is available thus far. Keep an eye out in the events thread.

EDIT: By the way, Canad... I can't remember your name, I would prefer it if you didn't take Bosnia. There's an interesting RP developing there.

Well guess what I am. So I am accepted with all of my listed territory?

Well guess what I am. So I am accepted with all of my listed territory?

That was my polite way of saying I don't want you to take Bosnia. But if we're gonna forgo protocal and be blunt I can rephrase: no ;). Technically Bosnia is under attack by Greece and Germany, so, by going by the rule we've been using since the beginning, it is unclaimable. I have denied several nations places because it was under attack when they joined.

Secondly, I don't know what areas of Eygpt you want exactly.

Finally, I think you need to claim more colonies (besides Eygpt), you have a lot less than everyone else so far.

Well I want to keep it within range. Honestly I don't want some colony halfway around the world and I cannot reach it. If you want a colony besides Northern Egypt and the Dominican Republic, then Yemen, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates. Also for Egypt here is what I want.

http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledpu8.jpg

Hmm, I guess those borders are okay. Eygpt is a lot. It's not just colonising another tribal region, it's an established nation that wasn't subdued until 1881, and even then it wasn't complete.

Yemen and Oman are fine, I almost said you needed a supply line (base/colony) near the region to supply it but then I realized you owned Sinai. Supplies from your home base will have to go to Eygpt, cross Sinai, and then take off by ship on the south side again.

So I am in with Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Dominican Republic, Northern Egypt and Sinai, Yemen, Oman, and U.A.E.?

Sounds good to me. Sorry about Bosnia :rolleyes:

Just wondering would it be possible to have a tiny fleet of Zeppelins and transport balloons? If so could I mount cannons on a Zeppelin? Lol. :p

Okay then I would like the landmasses of Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Northern half of Egypt (including the Sinai Pennisula), Dominican Republic, and Malta. Is that good enough?

Herzegovina has been invaded. Sorry for not pointing it out, read more here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536445).

Ant, would you like to partition Montenegro with me? Please!?!

And I made changes to my Factbook
I am now the British Empire as opposed to the Alversian

Hey, Bredford, would you prefer to take the non-Malaysian Borneo and Sulawesi (which would see you in control of half or more of Indonesia) instead of Burma? It would make more sense for you due to the fact you already own parts of Indonesia, and that would be best for me.

Hey, Bredford, would you prefer to take the non-Malaysian Borneo and Sulawesi (which would see you in control of half or more of Indonesia) instead of Burma? It would make more sense for you due to the fact you already own parts of Indonesia, and that would be best for me.

ok. so those areas are mine now?

EDIT: i think it will be better if Burma shall be protectorate of both of us combined, and they will be controlled by some local king (he shall be only ceremonical, he dosen't have powers) and with high council controlling the nation. (the council shall have six seats, three to each nation.)

ok. so those areas are mine now?

EDIT: i think it will be better if Burma shall be protectorate of both of us combined, and they will be controlled by some local king (he shall be only ceremonical, he dosen't have powers) and with high council controlling the nation. (the council shall have six seats, three to each nation.)

Nope, you'll have to invade them. Though don't do so just yet, as what we are doing here is trying to carve up the Asian lands so we don't fight with each other. And there quite sizable, so you'll probably have to have another RPer to play resistance. I dunno, ask Ant.

And the Burma thing is too confusing, however, you have a good deal here. I might assist you in Borneo a tad as I'm taking Malaysian Borneo, so we can work together there. From taking these islands you'd have control of most of Indonesia's pop and resources.

As I said in the China Confrence topic, PLEASE try to keep your negotiations IC.

Okay Candastien, get started on a factbook and I'll fix the map to include you. Try to get it done in two or three days.

Could you get rid of C-B's factbook DGNT? He's been kicked and so has Candistan.

I'm gonna be around for a little bit longer, but I won't be on on Thursday and Friday so if you have any questions, just pile um here and I'll get back to them.

Okay I will try to get a factbook out tonight. But can someone please explain the rules to me?

Example factbooks can be found here, at the E1860 thread hub. If you start a new thread relative the rp, post it here so it can be easily found.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536376

The Michiyo Empire can delete your post in my thread?

Okay, I managed to get into our old thread for like six seconds and I copied our old rules out of there. Yes the long fabled rules do exist and have been recovered. I had to fight Aztec warriors, answer three riddles presented by an aged monk living high in mountains of Tibet, and find the other half of the golden amuelet, but I got um. This is old news for our original players who were around for the good old days... of three weeks ago. For the new players this is fresh news. Scand, this is primarily for you since you're our newest player. Here they are:

Hello, I am planning on making a new world. It will be a loose combination of Scand's 1650 world map and C-B's 1820s Europe. Mine will take place in 1860 on a world map. The industrial revolution is just beginning to kick in. Railways and canals are being constructed. Industry is thriving. And colonies are being built wherever there is space. Every nation must have land in Europe, Asia, or Africa (above the equator) this is your homeland. Technologically, these continents are exactly where they should be in 1860. If you chose to build in Europe, you’re ahead of the game industrially. Southern Africa, Australia, the Americas, and the Pacific are going to be about as advanced and untouched as they were in 1492. So these areas are pretty primitive.

So now to the rules: Economies will be based off of your net IP, or industrial potential. Each province/area has an IP. It is based on regional industry, population, resources, access to coal or a river, and if there is a canal or railroad in the area. Your net IP is the sum of all of your provincial ones. A high IP is somewhere between 350 to 450. An average one is about 250 or 300 . Anything below 200 is a depression. In a depression you cannot build new troops, canals, colonies, or railroads. You can only afford to sustain you nation as it is. If your economy falls below 90, you're bankrupt. Troops start disbanding. Railroads are shut down and loose metal is sold for scrap, and industry suffers. Also, your population will slowly decrease. Finally if it goes below 30, you're out. You have failed to create a strong nation. I decide the IPs since there is currently no mathematical way of doing it. I'll give you yours once your factbook is completed.

I can’t come up with any effective way to price railroads and canals because they come in varying sizes. Right now it’ll just go by my own opinion. Canals are more expensive and they are only allowed to be so long. They also take much longer to construct. Railroads are effective at moving troops faster. They both improve regional IP.

If you’re IP is above 90 there is no charge for establishing colonies. But if it does fall below this number you can no longer afford to send out expeditions.

Populations will be as realistic as they can be for 1860. We will use populstat.com. Besides this there will be no real life leaders, nations, or borders. Real world religions and ethnicities do apply though. Occasionally I will pop in with events (see Event Thread). An event is something monumental that happened in history. They won’t necessarily occur in the same place or at the same time as they did in real life (i.e. flight accomplished in 1894 Germany). Each day will be about two or three months. I originally hoped to end the game around 1920-1924 but I've been told people might be interested in going until present day if possible.

This where I get stingy. Every nation MUST have a complete factbook before they can start RP. I’m sick of worlds where only a quarter of the players have factbooks and the rest just make up info as the situation fits. Also, I would like to see people checking on their nations at least once a day, but I know this a lot to expect. So once every other day should be fine as long as people are really contributing to the RP. Unless people have notified us that they’re going to be unavailable for a bit, nations will be wiped off the map. I’m so sick of worlds dying because people only want to participate up until they have to actually RP or make a factbook.

NEW RULES:

Your factbook must have a percentage breakdown of your empire's religion.

Your factbook must note whether slavery is legal or not. If so, where? And does your nation trade slaves?

If your nation is a republic, constitutional monarchy, or parliamentary monarchy, you must have a percentage breakdown of political parties in your empire.

Once you finish your factbook you will automatically recieve one railroad which will build instantly but will not increase IP. It can be as long as France's modern, real-life borders are wide, from the Bay of Biscay to the German border.

As for militaries: You can make your standing army between 1 and 2% of your total population, reserves can be between 1 and 5% of your total pop. (the higher the percentage, the more IP is constantly tied up in maintaining your army), and finally, you can make military service compulsory (between 6 and 8% of your total pop.), but this is a massive drain on your economy.


Here are the rules Canadstein.

May I ask what is my IP?

May I ask what is my IP?

You may, I'll assign it in a bit. In the meantime, where do you want your free railroad (see above)?

You may, I'll assign it in a bit. In the meantime, where do you want your free railroad (see above)?Essentially up and down Tunisia, with a small area in northeastern Algeria if you would.

Yeah can I know my IP?

Also here is my thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13029136#post13029136

Essentially up and down Tunisia, with a small area in northeastern Algeria if you would.

Okay. Here's your IP (copy into your factbook):

Algeria & Morrocco: 45
Tunisia: 45
Libya: 42
Texas & Oklahoma: 43
Arkansas & Louisiana: 44
Mexican Territories: 42
Bahamas: 36

TOTAL: 297 (might wanna check my math, I'm multi-tasking and doing it in my head)

Okay. Here's your IP (copy into your factbook):

Algeria & Morrocco: 45
Tunisia: 45
Libya: 42
Texas & Oklahoma: 43
Arkansas & Louisiana: 44
Mexican Territories: 42
Bahamas: 36

TOTAL: 297 (might wanna check my math, I'm multi-tasking and doing it in my head)

Thank, your math is also right.

Yeah can I know my IP?

Where did you get those numbers for your American colonies, Austria-Hungary, and Malta from? I'll give your IP soon.

Canadstein, check your factbook.

Scand, I feel like I dealt you low so raise Algeria/Mor. to 51 points, Tunsia to 49, and Libya to 43 (then add to total).

This is the last time I am staying this. I do not want anymore colonies right now. So can you please stop pestering me about it?

I'm having trouble getting the map up, I'll try to do it Friday night.

Just wondering would it be possible to have a tiny fleet of Zeppelins and transport balloons? If so could I mount cannons on a Zeppelin? Lol.


http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18333/18333-h/images/wn15-04.jpg

Just wondering would it be possible to have a tiny fleet of Zeppelins and transport balloons? If so could I mount cannons on a Zeppelin? Lol.

No.

Just wondering would it be possible to have a tiny fleet of Zeppelins and transport balloons? If so could I mount cannons on a Zeppelin? Lol.

Not a misson

Ok but I might wait on Antigonal to say if it's possible or not. I won't be surprised if its not though.:D

A) No zepplins yet. I gather that Anti doesnt want them.
B) You COULD put a cannon on a zepplin, but you would only get one shot, and it would be completly innacurate. Take a balloon and tie a bottle rocket to it. That should give you an idea of what would happen.
Lets not forget that the baloons of this era used HYDROGEN to float.

No zepplins.

Ok but can we have more inventions?I know it takes up time but we have a 2 inventions so far and several promised. It just makes things a little more interesting if we don't always have 1860's tech.

Yes, but it's still 1862. Thus, 1862-ish tech.

Ok but can we have more inventions?I know it takes up time but we have a 2 inventions so far and several promised. It just makes things a little more interesting if we don't always have 1860's tech.

I will do more inventions soon(I like to have all the events settled before I move on to a new one and right now Honako isn't being helpful with that). But tech is going to be that of the 1850s-1870s time period. I'm not going to suddenly invent the plane or anything like that. If you have any suggestions for reasonable inventions I am more than open to them and would actually appreciate the input.

By the way, it's currently January of 1864. The last event took place last Monday or Sunday and that was late 1862.

By the way, it's currently January of 1864. The last event took place last Monday or Sunday and that was late 1862.

Can I have colonised Fiji by this stage and I'll write a post for it when I have time?

Yeah sure. Just make sure you post for it soon. I can't update the map for a while (my desktop got a nasty virus and is under repair) so I won't acknowledge it for a while.

Does anyone know if there is an equivilant of Paint on Macs?

No idea :P

I just wanted to make a note on casualties...

Most European-style armies (EX: American, British, French, etc.) were willing to accept %5-%10 casualties in a battle before they retreated. It was basic tactics at the time to attempt to preserve as much of your force as possible. Other armies (Japanese, for example :P) scared the hell out of Europeans because they were willing to accept %30-%40 casualties before they retreated, which went against the basic European idea of keeping your army in good shape.
So please remember, it was VERY rare for armies to fight until the bitter end, the 'retreat, regroup, counterattack' strategy is a much better way to use your forces than an all-out banzai charge.

Does anyone know if there is an equivilant of Paint on Macs?

I have GIMP which is better than paint.

I have GIMP which is better than paint.

Must, resist.... joke..... GIMPS!!!!

I have GIMP which is better than paint.

Cool, is it free?

EDIT: I've been looking for it and everytime I download it, it gives me all the files, but not the application. Will it work on a MacBook?

Hey Toop, could you add your communist population to your factbook please.

For my Parliment can I simply have radical conservatives and for the rest be full of REAL racists?

Cool, is it free?

EDIT: I've been looking for it and everytime I download it, it gives me all the files, but not the application. Will it work on a MacBook?



Yes it's free but unfortunately you need a program called X11 to run it. ;). X11 is also free though so its win win.It should work on your mac. I have a Mac Mini though so...



EDIT. Gimp was designed for linex but it should work fine if you have X11.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13037329#post13037329



Updated my Aussie thread.

Uhh... when he gets on, Anti's going to say that's too many people. You can't just add that many at the same time, even if there is a gold rush.

300,000 people migrated over the seven years of the California Gold Rush, and most of them only had to travel overland under their own steam. Getting a boat to Australia is a very different and very expensive matter, because there would be very few traders going that direction.

Hey Toop, could you add your communist population to your factbook please.

Will do, I've been a little distracted lately, what with College starting tomorrow and everything.

Uhh... when he gets on, Anti's going to say that's too many people. You can't just add that many at the same time, even if there is a gold rush.

300,000 people migrated over the seven years of the California Gold Rush, and most of them only had to travel overland under their own steam. Getting a boat to Australia is a very different and very expensive matter, because there would be very few traders going that direction.


Man! I always get this stuff wrong cheers.

Guys I'd like to see a lot more activty from everyone, paticularly you Ghassan. I'm considering kicking some people but I don't want to have to. It seems everytime I kick someone and replace them we get a player 15 times better so I'm not opposed to the idea.

Dontgonearthere, please check your TG.

Anti, to ask when is the conference in Paris going to take place and in which thread?

We could just do it on your factbook, I don't think it's worth starting a thread over.

We could just do it on your factbook, I don't think it's worth starting a thread over.Good enough, by the way I am considering opening my colonies to immigration from your European possesions, with the only conditions they be European, literate in English, Italian, or French, and they also have to be willing to swear an oath to follow the laws of the colonies and not to plot rebellion.

I may have to retire from the IC portion of this RP. Its nothing personal, but I've got a lot of work coming in from college now. I'll give a definite answer on Tuesday.
However, I could stay on as a moderator if you like.

I may have to retire from the IC portion of this RP. Its nothing personal, but I've got a lot of work coming in from college now. I'll give a definite answer on Tuesday.
However, I could stay on as a moderator if you like.


No don't go this place is becoming inactive!

I'm still working on the Fiji Post but it'll take time due to the fact I've started back at College.

Don't worry I am here.

There is just not much for me to do, so I prefer to bate my time until I shall spring.

I may have to retire from the IC portion of this RP. Its nothing personal, but I've got a lot of work coming in from college now. I'll give a definite answer on Tuesday.
However, I could stay on as a moderator if you like.

Do what you gotta do but I'd hate to see ya go, you're probably to best RPer here.

Don't worry I am here.

There is just not much for me to do, so I prefer to bate my time until I shall spring.

You can always make things for you to do, found colonies, start wars, RP something.

Check your TG DGNT.

Toop are you still up for this alliance?

I dunno, the NS world outside of 1860 is getting quite Midnightish, I may have to go the way of DGNT, except I'd far rather take a leave of absence than quit entirely, is there any way I can like, I dunno, reserve my map plot for if I return, say within a month, if not then you can remove me from the map?

Sorry for not being so active Ant, I'll try and do everything I need to do on this during the week. ;)

I dunno, the NS world outside of 1860 is getting quite Midnightish, I may have to go the way of DGNT, except I'd far rather take a leave of absence than quit entirely, is there any way I can like, I dunno, reserve my map plot for if I return, say within a month, if not then you can remove me from the map?

Are you definite on that Toop? I'll think about letting you stay on.

We all seem to be getting busier. Even I am not going to be around nearly as much in the coming weeks. So I'm thinking about relaxing our activity policy. A lot of us are going back to school or college and NS needs to take a backseat. Totally understandable. Why don't we agree to keep our group small and try to be on at least 3 or 4 times a week, even if just for a minute to get caught up? I should become more and more available once again as the time goes on. Let's not let this group die huh? ;)

Okay if you're still involved in this thread and check it regularly (or at least semi-regularly) post here so I know who we've still got.

Still here. Sorry for not starting the Serbia attack yet, but I've had a busy couple of days. Combination of the start of college, new girlfriend, possible new job and also general lethargy.

Man, I almost sound like an adult...

Still here. Sorry for not starting the Serbia attack yet, but I've had a busy couple of days. Combination of the start of college, new girlfriend, possible new job and also general lethargy.

Man, I almost sound like an adult...

Likewise, School, study, job, SVP, Formal, driving lessons. There's quite a lot to do and not much free time.

Are you definite on that Toop? I'll think about letting you stay on.

We all seem to be getting busier. Even I am not going to be around nearly as much in the coming weeks. So I'm thinking about relaxing our activity policy. A lot of us are going back to school or college and NS needs to take a backseat. Totally understandable. Why don't we agree to keep our group small and try to be on at least 3 or 4 times a week, even if just for a minute to get caught up? I should become more and more available once again as the time goes on. Let's not let this group die huh? ;)

I'm pretty positive, I had barely enough time for sleep this week and it was only the induction at College.

The beginning of school is hard on everyone so don't worry about being as active as normal as school starts up for the next few weeks.

Toop, Alversia, DGNT, Michiyo: check your TGs.

Michiyo here. I vote no new earth. I'm juggling things as it is.

Yeah but I'm not talking about within a week or two. I'm talking about launching it within a month maybe, after the school startup cools down. And judging by the way things are going right now, E1860 might be on it's way out because of everyone's school responsibilities. So it might not be too much to handle.

*cries*

*cries*

Haha, don't cry little Ghassan. It isn't over yet. If you make new threads and post a lot, you can keep it going.

Sorry about my inactivity, and if you're planning on making a new earth, I'd recommend not. It's best to try and stick with this one - people are busy, but most of the core people still seem interested, so it may kick off. However, I'd be interested in this new earth, with an explanation of it, if it did come about.

I would, but I have so much going on! And there is not much little old Portugal can do. I need a small nation with little or no world responsibility!

Alright, there is no new earth and E1860 is not closing. If things continue the way they are, it may but I have no plans to shut it down in the nearby future.

The new earth that Michi, DGNT, Al, and Toop might refer to is one I've been thinking of making for a few weeks now. If I do make it, it won't be for a while and it will not replace this one.

The idea is that this new earth I'm planning will be a massive, innovative RP that will change our way of playing. I feel like since the original Earth started everything, nothing major has happened to the way we RP. Now they're are at least a dozen knockoffs and sequels to the original Earth and all other RPs haven't brought anything new to the table. It's getting stale. Nothing is final yet and the details are still being hammered out (the biggest of which is, will we actually make it?). So for the time being, nothing has changed.

That sounds wicked. I will be active everyday due to the fact that work is really flexible right now. I've just been waiting for someone to post something I can post back to like trying set up a colony in Aussie or holding one of my embassies hostage.

I am going to update the map, Mussle owns part of Australia, I've taken over the United States' Eastern Seaboard, Alversia owns Hyderbad (dunno how that slipped my mind, you took that a while ago, feel free to move your IP in India up 16 points), annnnnnddd what else?

EDIT: By the way, I would like some suggestions for how to run this new earth I MAY be making. So feel free to TG me some input.

Here are some possible ideas I'm tossing around:

Making two worlds to this Earth, a starter/training world which takes place in inner Australia and the real world (not the seven strangers type ;)) where the actual game takes place. This training world would function in one of two ways:

1) The beginning world would take place in rounds. There would be a week long sign up period and then a month of playing. At the end of the month the top three players would move into the actual game. This would be followed by another week long sign up period and another month long round. The cycle would continue like this. The top three players to advance would be judged by some sort of training world mod. Any given round could have between six and twelve players ruling city-states with similar economies and armies in the Australian desert.

2) This training world would be a continiously going world, similar to the one described above. Players would advance to the main world after the training world mod deemed them acceptable players.

This training world would serve to eliminate those who don't plan to be active, weed out incompetant RPers and godmoders, and make for intersesting competition.

I plan to have several players reserved to be insurgents, guerillas, pirates, mercenaries, and other independent parties. This could make for many interesting circumstances which I could set on by way of the Events Thread (which I plan on introducing to this new Earth).

The continous problem is how to deal with economies and finances. In this earth I chose IPs. I would like to do something like IP for this new earth and I am open to suggestions so please make them.

I'm undecided as to if I want a LOT of small, usual inactive nations like the original Earths, or 12-20 nations I can rely on to be active like this earth.

The game will start around 1965. The only technology missing will be nukes. Although nuclear fission has been discovered, no countries have nukes yet. I will slowly give nukes to the top players and radical fringe countries to make it like real life.

Would it be possible for me to move up the Miss. and go into Illionis and take over a good part of the massive coal fields found there?

Would it be possible for me to move up the Miss. and go into Illionis and take over a good part of the massive coal fields found there?

Only if you RP it ;).

Only if you RP it ;).Not, to be rude, but may I get a nice little event.

Not, to be rude, but may I get a nice little event.

Listen, if you wanna invade Illinois, go ahead. I can't just swing events in your favor because you said please. Events are for inventing new tech, helping the weaker nations such as Greece and Ethiopia, and hurting the stronger nations such as Dontgonearthere. They're also to keep things interesting and part of that fun is keeping them unpredictable.

Listen, if you wanna invade Illinois, go ahead. I can't just swing events in your favor because you said please. Events are for inventing new tech, helping the weaker nations such as Greece and Ethiopia, and hurting the stronger nations such as Dontgonearthere. They're also to keep things interesting and part of that fun is keeping them unpredictable.I meant like a nice little Berber revolt.;)

I meant like a nice little Berber revolt.;)

Wouldn't that hurt you?

Wouldn't that hurt you?Actually, in the short term yes, but in the long term it will allow me to exert a stronger central monarchy due to the centralization of power, be able to impose tighter control over the Berbers, and the seizing of some important lands.

Actually, in the short term yes, but in the long term it will allow me to exert a stronger central monarchy due to the centralization of power, be able to impose tighter control over the Berbers, and the seizing of some important lands.

I see, I just wanna make sure you know we are using real life ethnicities so you can't say Illinois is Berber territory. If you would like to have a Berber revolt, be my guest, you don't need me for that. You can make events for yourself as long as they are detrimental to you (ie, Berber revolt), not ones that do great things for you (ie, stocks skyrocket, raise IP 20 points!). Go ahead with it but I might lower your IP a bit in the province where this revolt occurs.

I see, I just wanna make sure you know we are using real life ethnicities so you can't say Illinois is Berber territory. If you would like to have a Berber revolt, be my guest, you don't need me for that. You can make events for yourself as long as they are detrimental to you (ie, Berber revolt), not ones that do great things for you (ie, stocks skyrocket, raise IP 20 points!). Go ahead with it but I might lower your IP a bit in the province where this revolt occurs.I meant Berbers like the north African tribe, not in Illionis.

Then all is good. You can make a seperate thread for the revolt and we can put it on the link page.

By the way all, I did a map update so take a look.

And if you all want this thread to keep going I need to see a lot more activity from everyone.

DGNT, you said you weren't gonna be around anymore but I see you online a lot, are you still in?

Here are some possible ideas I'm tossing around:

Making two worlds to this Earth, a starter/training world which takes place in inner Australia and the real world (not the seven strangers type ) where the actual game takes place. This training world would function in one of two ways:

1) The beginning world would take place in rounds. There would be a week long sign up period and then a month of playing. At the end of the month the top three players would move into the actual game. This would be followed by another week long sign up period and another month long round. The cycle would continue like this. The top three players to advance would be judged by some sort of training world mod. Any given round could have between six and twelve players ruling city-states with similar economies and armies in the Australian desert.

2) This training world would be a continiously going world, similar to the one described above. Players would advance to the main world after the training world mod deemed them acceptable players.

This training world would serve to eliminate those who don't plan to be active, weed out incompetant RPers and godmoders, and make for intersesting competition.

I plan to have several players reserved to be insurgents, guerillas, pirates, mercenaries, and other independent parties. This could make for many interesting circumstances which I could set on by way of the Events Thread (which I plan on introducing to this new Earth).

The continous problem is how to deal with economies and finances. In this earth I chose IPs. I would like to do something like IP for this new earth and I am open to suggestions so please make them.

I'm undecided as to if I want a LOT of small, usual inactive nations like the original Earths, or 12-20 nations I can rely on to be active like this earth.

The game will start around 1965. The only technology missing will be nukes. Although nuclear fission has been discovered, no countries have nukes yet. I will slowly give nukes to the top players and radical fringe countries to make it like real life.

Sounds good! ;) But knowing me if I signed up I would be stuck in the training zone for a year. ;)

Would I be able to start a trading post in South Africa? Also I might set up a new company called the Eastern Sphere.

Plus updated my Aussie thread again.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13037329#post13037329

Would I be able to start a trading post in South Africa? Also I might set up a new company called the Eastern Sphere.

Yeah you could set up a colony in South Africa. You would need to RP it a bit (one long post could do it). Even though South Africa is heavy Zulu territory, no one will need to RP against you as long as you take just a small amount of coastal land like Bredford and I did.

EDIT: By the way Mussle, the first couple people to sign up for this new earth wouldn't need to go through the training world. I'd select the first group based on their activity in this world.

Yeah you could set up a colony in South Africa. You would need to RP it a bit (one long post could do it). Even though South Africa is heavy Zulu territory, no one will need to RP against you as long as you take just a small amount of coastal land like Bredford and I did.

EDIT: By the way Mussle, the first couple people to sign up for this new earth wouldn't need to go through the training world. I'd select the first group based on their activity in this world.

Sounds good would you mind if I posted my Australia thread I'm thinking of making it my colonization thread.

Plus to your edit phew as I am on every day but not a particualy good RPer.

Sounds good would you mind if I posted my Australia thread I'm thinking of making it my colonization thread.

Plus to your edit phew as I am on every day but not a particualy good RPer.

Haha, well if this new earth does take off, I'll reserve a place for you. Your RPing is fine, you might need to make it a bit longer once in a while but it's good.

Okay so I've been tossing this idea of a new earth around for about two weeks now and everywhere I do, there seems to be some general interest. That being the case, I am going to be opening up a CLOSED discussion thread, the point of which will be to talk about how to hammer out the kinks I'm having with this RP, throw out ideas, and generally improve the game. Suggestions are welcome as well. If you would like to give feedback, please post. It is open only to members of E1860. I would like to hear specifically from Dontgonearthere, The Scandinavians, The Michiyo Empire, Alversia, Toopaxia, and New Brittonia as you guys are the most experienced RPers here. But I would still really appreciate feedback and input from the rest of you guys as well.

It seems like at this point that it is going to happen so I don't want to hear "dont make a new thread, im busy as it is!!!" Just because it's open to you guys doesn't mean I'm gonna hold a gun to your head and make you join. Also, this thread WILL NOT be closing. That is unless posting doesn't pick up from people besides Scand and Mussle.

EDIT: On second thought, let's just use this thread. I'm sorry that we're using this earth's thread to talk about another earth but I have my reasons.

My biggest issue is economies. I considered making some sort of land based economy, (like northern Eygpt is worth 12 points, Sicily is worth 5) but then that would disable players from dividing regions or taking small pieces. Normal, realistic cash based economies don't seem to work on NS which is why I tried IP in the first place so that's out. I thought about making some sort of IP-esque type of economy but no ideas sprung to me. I'm open to ideas about having some sort of equivilant to IP, just throw um out to me. On that topic, do you think IPs were effective compared to some of your other RPing experiences? Why or why not?

I feel like part of the reason RPing can get so chaotic is because there are no established economic rules. People just buy stuff endlessly until it gets just a bit too much and people say "no." I don't want this new earth to be like this.

I'm thinking about setting this new earth in some post-WWIII world. The Cold War errupted into armed conflict and the USSR and the USA basically destroyed each other along with all of their allies (NATO, Warsaw Pact, ect.). Also, several other wars in Africa, South America, Australia and the rest of the world sprung up in the midst of the war. Basically all nations have been wiped off the map. We are now rebuilding. Groups of roaming bandits, warriors, and mercenaries wander the planet pillaging small farming communities and fighting one another. Keep this setting in mind if you make suggestions about how the economy should work.

Would it be harsh if I said lets reopen this place and kick any one who hasn't been active within a week? Plus if you want some excitement all you have to do is try to land in Australia, New Zealand or Eastern Canada. That excludes Anti who must stay to his part of Australia and New Zealand but any one else who trys I will harass your shipping declare a No Peace Beyond the Homelands treaty and invade some of your colonies.

I have made my Aussie thread my colonization thread and I have also set up a trading post in South Africa.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13060624#post13060624

Would it be harsh if I said lets reopen this place and kick any one who hasn't been active within a week? Plus if you want some excitement all you have to do is try to land in Australia, New Zealand or Eastern Canada.

I WANT EASTERN CANADA! :)

I WANT EASTERN CANADA! :)

Tough mate you can't have it. ;) If you want some of Canada feel free to have the West.


EDIT.I meant the West

Hey whets Toopaxia's IP?

I'm thinking about setting this new earth in some post-WWIII world. The Cold War errupted into armed conflict and the USSR and the USA basically destroyed each other along with all of their allies (NATO, Warsaw Pact, ect.). Also, several other wars in Africa, South America, Australia and the rest of the world sprung up in the midst of the war. Basically all nations have been wiped off the map. We are now rebuilding. Groups of roaming bandits, warriors, and mercenaries wander the planet pillaging small farming communities and fighting one another. Keep this setting in mind if you make suggestions about how the economy should work.

Michiyo here.

FALLOUT, MOTHERFUCKER. Fallout, Mad Max, whatever... a post-apocalyptic rp would be awesome.

Michiyo here.

FALLOUT, MOTHERFUCKER. Fallout, Mad Max, whatever... a post-apocalyptic rp would be awesome.

Glad to see the enthusiasm.

I don't wanna force RP you guys but maybe a colony war would spark life into this thread.

I'm not sure who I should kick but some people need to go. Mussle, Scand, Al, Mich, Toop, (yeah I can abbrev. you all now ;)) you're all fine. I'm a little mad at DGNT because only he can update the Hub Thread and, although I see him on quite a bit and TG him, he won't respond to this thread even as a mod anymore. Candastien has to go. Probably Bredford as well. I won't kick Ghassan but I would like to see him on more often. I know you're around a lot Ghassan and check this thread, just start some RPs of your own. Honako, maybe you too. I'm hesitant to kick Bredford and Honako because they're well established players. But usually everytime I threaten to kick them, and they are just a day away from expulsion, they sign on and tell me they're around and then they're on like everyday for the next week or so and then they start slacking off again. The cycle repeats itself. New Bredford is around I know, I just think he gave up on us. Maybe I'll TG him.

Hey whets Toopaxia's IP?

He doesn't have one? Wow, big oversight on my part. I'll get right on that.

EDIT: Toopoxia check your factbook.

I'm around, but the German Empire is content. I'm waiting to invade South East Asia, and I've taken the Bosnia lands I wanted. Though I'll start colonizing I suppose...

Michiyo here.

...you've taken chunks out of Bosnia, Honako?

Dude, claiming that you took part of a European nation is very, very different to colonising. European states tend to have armies, for one thing. You can't just wave a magic wand and say 'I win'.

I'm around, but the German Empire is content. I'm waiting to invade South East Asia, and I've taken the Bosnia lands I wanted. Though I'll start colonizing I suppose...

Yeah the only reason I took Montenegro so easily is because... well, it's Monte-freakin'-negro, like, eight people live there in 1860. Bosnia is a different story.

Michiyo, I'm kinda awaiting your invasion in Serbia, I was hoping to RP that the ruler of Montenegro, who fled to the court of the King of Serbia after I invaded, would work with the King of Serbia (albiet he has no forces, just loyal Montenegrans) to drive us out.

Oh by the way, does anyone have any suggestions for the economy in this new world (see above)? Or for that matter, any suggestions at all (see past few pages)?

I know I said I was planning to open this new thread in early to mid October but I'm feeling kinda excited and my work load is beginning to become more managable soooo.... I was thinking to shoot to open in a week or two. Most likely two. Push up the deadline so to speak. The reason I am doing this is once the thread is up, it will take a week+ to get enough sign ups and to explain the rules 50,000 times to our slower players. Then, it usually takes another week for people to get their factbooks up and for me to pull everything together. So after we get everything out of the way, it will have been quite a while anyway. Sound good?

Updated

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13066655#post13066655

Yeah the only reason I took Montenegro so easily is because... well, it's Monte-freakin'-negro, like, eight people live there in 1860. Bosnia is a different story.

Michiyo, I'm kinda awaiting your invasion in Serbia, I was hoping to RP that the ruler of Montenegro, who fled to the court of the King of Serbia after I invaded, would work with the King of Serbia (albiet he has no forces, just loyal Montenegrans) to drive us out.

I never invaded Bosnia. I took chunks of Bosnia. I invaded Herzegovina, which is part of modern Bosnia. And Herzegovina, in both land area and population, is smaller than Montenegro. I made a small post following your lead.

I never invaded Bosnia. I took chunks of Bosnia. I invaded Herzegovina, which is part of modern Bosnia. And Herzegovina, in both land area and population, is smaller than Montenegro. I made a small post following your lead.

Oh my bad, I thought you were trying to conquer ALL of Bosnia-Herzegvina.

Okay so my plan is to work on this new earth a bit this weekend though it is unlikely it will open then. If I really sat down and tried to figure it out I could probably do it, but even then, I'd have to be inactive for a few days right after opening it because of the school week. Also, most people are still in the harsh world of first weeks of school and are swamped with work. I don't wanna burden them with this just yet. On the other hand, from past experience the longer we just talk about this without making any action, the more interest wanes. So try to be on next Thursday night because I'm planning on opening the sign up thread then. That way, even though I'm busy on Thursdays with work and Friday nights with other things, I will have some time over the weekend to get things rolling.

Please tell me if you have any suggestions at all. I will certainly take them into consideration because I'm a bit lost for ideas myself. I would also love some suggestions on how to run this new world's economy.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13069487#post13069487

updated

Don't tell me this RPs dead! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

I'm tryin', I really am. I'm basically unavailable eleven hours a day... plus four or five of pure homework. Usually activity picks up on weekends so we'll see. There is hope yet young Mussleburgh.

If you want something to do you could finish your Australia RP.

*runs with a pair of defribuators and yells "I won't let this thread die yet!", and post-shocks it back to life*

*runs with a pair of defribuators and yells "I won't let this thread die yet!", and post-shocks it back to life*

Haha! What did you have in mind?

By the way is my post in my aussie thread ok? Plus luckily I am in a Scottish school which means I get much less homework.

By the way is my post in my aussie thread ok? Plus luckily I am in a Scottish school which means I get much less homework.

That last Australia post was great, keep it up.

Now, I know we said we'd wait till Thursday but.... WE'RE HAVING A BABY... I mean, WE'RE MAKING A NEW WORLD. Yes, we have left the old way of "earths" behind, this is not an earth, it's a world. Yes, the long awaited World Thread has opened early.

I'm sorry but I got really sick Thursday night and I've had nothing to do but work on this. The intro to the thread is massive but you guys know most of it already. It is also to weed out people who don't wanna do work (like reading).

Here's a link, sign up quick, spaces are goin fast!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13075348&posted=1#post13075348