NationStates Jolt Archive

As per Antigonal's instructions, I give you the shiny NEW 1860's central thread! w00t! :D

Thank you DGNT. This thread is for checking the map and OOC discussion. Here you can ask questions about the game and other things. IC is welcome for topics that you feel don't deserve a seperate thread of their own.

One of these two links should probably take you to the map, if not, contact me.

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Red = Antigonal
Gray = Dontgonearthere
Purple = Honako
Pine Green = Alversia
Orange = Michiyo Empire
Bright Green = Croatia-Bosnia
Blue = Bredford
Gold = New Brittonia
Yellow = Ghassan
Light Yellow = Carloginias
Dark Purple = Mussleburgh
Dark Blue = Toopoxia
Brown = The Scandinavians

Theres a section for factbooks in the IC hub thread >_>

Here's a link to Dontgonearthere's link thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536376

Where should I put my war request?

You might want to make a seperate thread and post it with DGNT in his link thread which is linked above... link link link.

Well the whole reason I put it in the events thread was because I didn't want to make a new thread. I thought it would just be a lot easier for everyone if I would just put it in the event thread.

Well the whole reason I put it in the events thread was because I didn't want to make a new thread. I thought it would just be a lot easier for everyone if I would just put it in the event thread.

Okay, lemme clear some stuff up about the Events Thread (and this is not just to you Ghassan):

It is not for events and news about the game in general, it is for RPing events that I'll be making. It should be IC mostly.

Things you do in this RP in history aren't for the Event thread either, no matter how historic they are. Those deserve their own threads. The Event Thread is for random events I create and throw at the players for them to tackle. It's to show that, while as rulers we all have our big plans, unexpected things can suddenly throw you off track. It is also to advance technology in the game.

All I am trying to say is that there should be a thread for everyone's expansion that you monitor and then say how it went, since for the most part, if we make threads for every time we do something, it may get hard to follow.

I'd just like to know if my claim accepted, =am I in.

In case it has been forgotten, I asked for a chunk of steppe and forests, consisting Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgysia, as well as the area between Urals and an imaginary line between the Arctic Sea and the Easternmost tip of the nowadays Kazakhstan.

Can I start my war against Hyderbad anytime in the future?

I'd just like to know if my claim accepted, =am I in.

In case it has been forgotten, I asked for a chunk of steppe and forests, consisting Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgysia, as well as the area between Urals and an imaginary line between the Arctic Sea and the Easternmost tip of the nowadays Kazakhstan.

Considering those other guys havent shown up yet, I'd give you tenative acceptance. I dont have a finished version of the map though, so you'll have to wait for Antigonal on that point.
But you can go ahead and start working on a factbook :D

Ghassan, make an 'internal affairs of 'my nation'' thread or something, then link it in the central IC thread.
Jolt really doesnt care how many topics we make, as long as the main page isnt full of them :P

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Please also remember to add the keyword 'E1860' to your thread. This is a (mostly) unique letter/number combination that will make it MUCH easier to find threads related to this Earth. Just add it before or after the main body of your topic.
Thank you :)

I'd just like to know if my claim accepted, =am I in.

In case it has been forgotten, I asked for a chunk of steppe and forests, consisting Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgysia, as well as the area between Urals and an imaginary line between the Arctic Sea and the Easternmost tip of the nowadays Kazakhstan.

Yes, you have it. Please have your factbook up within the next day or so (we gave you an extension because you joined late and because of the confusion of having our thread down yesterday).

Can I start my war against Hyderbad anytime in the future?

Yeah, open seperate thread (and put a link to it in DGNT's thread) and get it started.

If you bought revolvers during that last event please note so in your factbooks.

Okay guys, I've just posted a new map, now, for a limited time, complete with railways!

Kansiov has been deleted for not having even started a factbook yet and for inactivity. And you thought I was kidding ;).

Lachenburg, Bredford, you guys are hanging by a thread. Right now I'm counting your factbooks as incomplete. Please look at some of the others to find out what yours are lacking (which is pretty much everything besides a title). If I don't have a complete factbook from you guys by tomorrow, I'm deleting you as well. And the only reason I'm pushing the deadline for you is because of yesterday's confusion. Lachenburg, check the map before updating your factbook, I gave you a bunch of new land.

New guy, I can't remember your name right now but you own Kazakhstan and parts of Siberia, you have a day or two to finish your factbook because you joined late.

Honako, please finish your factbook, I know it's pretty much done and you just need population figures but get moving. Just start estimating if you need to. I can't give you your IP and you can't start until you have a completed factbook.

As for everyone else, please repost your factbooks with DGNT on his link thread. Right now we only have his, Ghassan's, and my factbook reposted. Alversia, Carloginias, C-B, Candistan, and everyone else, have your factbooks up soon please. Alversia I understand you have conquered more land and I will adjust your IP when I get a moment. Also, Al, please slow down on the invasions, it would take more than a month to conquer a region and the amount of money it would cost to be launching four or five simultaneous invasion would be hard. Also you need to take more time to subdue the region, no matter how peaceful the natives are.

I'm not going to start inviting new people until after Bredford, Lachenburg, and the new guy don't make factbooks (but I'm sure they will ;)).

Okay, so I'm glad to have gotten the RP started and sorry for the techincal delays.

Antigonal, I created a new thread for Portugese News and Events, and I was wondering how it will work?

Will you monitor the colonization, and approve/deny it?

Antigonal, I created a new thread for Portugese News and Events, and I was wondering how it will work?

Will you monitor the colonization, and approve/deny it?

Sure, I can try.

Ant, I have the India thread up.

Antigonal, i was thinking of sending my Royal Guard division (with additional units) to start conquering land in South Africa. few questions:

are they united nation or separate tribes?

do they have guns?

are they any familiar with ways war?

Alversia, do you know who lives in that bit of Africa youre taking over?
Protip: One tribe is the Zulu. You should have heard of them :P

That bit of Africa is home to some of the meanest natives you will EVER meet, if you want to take it youre going to have to fight a serious war to do it. It was hard for the BRITISH to do a decade later, when all of them were armed with breachloaders and semi-modern artillery.

The Zulu were some mean mother ******s

Yeah, that would be a big one. Someone would have to RP the Zulu's you're fighting. And they would be very tough opponents.

Theyre also one of the largest tribes in Africa. And theyve got mean neighbors to.

Alversia, do you know who lives in that bit of Africa youre taking over?
Protip: One tribe is the Zulu. You should have heard of them :P

That bit of Africa is home to some of the meanest natives you will EVER meet, if you want to take it youre going to have to fight a serious war to do it. It was hard for the BRITISH to do a decade later, when all of them were armed with breachloaders and semi-modern artillery.

Zulus?
ah motherf*****g hell!
Anybody want to RP my latest enemy?

Lachenburg, check the map before updating your factbook, I gave you a bunch of new land.

I certainly appreciate it. My apologies as to my lack of activity. I've been rather hard pressed to find free-time amidst the coming school year, college application process and other varied activities which dominate my affairs. As such, I'm not necessarily sure I can afford to play such a large part in this RP and thus would like to ask that my claims be reduced exclusively to my current holdings in North America (that is, New England, New York and those slivers of New Jersey/Pennsylvania that you have so kindly allotted me) for the time being. I figure with a lesser footprint on the world stage, I'll be able to interact more frequently and not feel overwhelmed by the burdens associated with RPing a major nation.

Thank you.

Will I just RP a Zulu/Alversian War by myself in my Events thread?

I won't be biased :P

...seriously

Will I just RP a Zulu/Alversian War by myself in my Events thread?

I won't be biased :P

...seriously

i shall RP the Zulu then.

i shall RP the Zulu then.

You know the link?

You know the link?

no. please give the link to your thread.

Antigonal, please give me my IP.

Here is the link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536426)

I posted your IP on your factbook Bredford, please repost it into your factbook post under economy.

Hey guys I have a new rule. Switzerland is now unconquerable. It sounds odd but it's nice to have Switzerland to use as a place to spark events from. If someone invents something new there, it's on the international market. If it's invented in a player's nation, they have the ability to keep the technology for themselves. I don't think anyone really want's Switzerland anyway, it would on be worth a few IP points anyway. If you have some desire to carve up some parts of the nation, you can make your case and maybe I'll accept your proposition. Like if you need a bit of land to conect your nation to another territory you own. Thanks for understanding.

Lachenburg, I'm really sorry but even if you did stay on with only a few territories your IP would be so weak that you would be in a constant depression. Instead I'm going to open the spot to someone who tried to get in before but there wasn't enough room. If you want to, we could contact you once in a while and you could RP a native people resisting one of the colonial powers. Sorry.

EDIT: On a completely different note, I just want to point out that just because you're RPing a native populace in a war against an actual player, it doesn't mean you have to lose. It's not a meaningless formalty for an invader to have to deal with an RPing opponent. The natives can (and often did) win wars against colonial powers.

Can I claim this much my claims in black is that too much?


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Can I claim this much my claims in black is that too much?


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I'm sorry Mussleburgh but to keep the balance of things, I need you to choose between what's left of Scandinavia, the Baltic States, and a lot of colonies OR Russia west of the Urals, some of the Caucauses, the Baltic States, and a good piece of Eastern Europe. Sorry but those are where are last two players were and we sort of need to keep the balance in that area.

Kronstadtia, I would really like to have your factbook by tomorrow.

Ok I'll have my claim in by tomorrow.

New Brittonia, please check the events thread. There's a section there for you but you need to address it soon or it will go away.

I am going to be gone this weekend (Like most) and monday. We are getting new internet in my aunt's house.

I am going to be gone this weekend (Like most) and monday. We are getting new internet in my aunt's house.

That's fine. If you have any business to finish up (like in the Fate of India thread ;)) you might wanna try to wrap some of it up before you leave.

I'll do a crap mobilization, and I need you to RP the Princes of India at my meeting in Delhi.

I'll RP the other princes.

Is that ok?


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This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12997125) thread is for Antigonal and Alversia's attention.

Is that ok?


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Okay, the only thing is this, no New Zealand, and I will decrease some of you land in America.

Oh and no Pacific colonies because they have no supply lines.

Heres the list I came up with. Of course, this is just 'important' stuff. If somebody isnt sure about something, just ask I guess.

List of inventions:

1800-1830 (Avalible to everybody):
The screw propeller
Gas stove
Steam Locomotives
Band saw
Arc lamp
Mine safety lamp
Stethoscope
Bicycle
Electric motor
Electromagnet
Portland cement
Photography
Internal combustion engine (NOT effecient)
Friction match
Lawn mower
Multi-coil magnets
Telegraphs
Thresher/Reaper
Electrical generator
Braille
Refrigerators (very primitive ;) )
Combine harvesters
Revolver
Morse code
Incandescent light bulb
Sewing machine
Electric printing press
Steel plow
Diving Suit
Zoom lense camera
Vulcanization of rubber

1840 (Avalible to more modern nations)
Artificial fertilizer
Anaesthesia
Typewriter
Early fax machines
Ice cream
Pnuematic tire
Rotrary printing press
Safety pin
Telephone

1850 (Avalible only to the great powers and highly modern nations)
Airship
Passenger eleveator
Bunsen burner
Bessemer process (Steel)
Celluloid
Undersea telegraph cables
Airtight 'Mason' jar
Oil drill
Lead acid battery
Repeating rifles
Ironclads

Things not yet invented (includes things developed at a later date in other places. Too lazy to pick them out)

1860: Linoleum: Fredrick Walton
1860: Repeating rifle: Oliver F. Winchester
1860: Self-propelled torpedo: Giovanni Luppis
1861: Siemens regenerative furnace: Carl Wilhelm Siemens
1862: Revolving machine gun: Richard J. Gatling
1862: Mechanical submarine: Narcís Monturiol i Estarriol
1862: Pasteurization: Louis Pasteur, Claude Bernard
1863: Player piano: Henri Fourneaux
1864: Concept typewriter: Peter Mitterhofer
1865: Roller Coaster: LaMarcus Adna Thompson
1865: Barbed wire: Louis Jannin
1866: Dynamite: Alfred Nobel
1868: Practical typewriter: Christopher Sholes, Carlos Glidden and Samuel W. Soule, with assistance from James Densmore
1868: Air brake (rail): George Westinghouse
1868: Oleomargarine: Mege Mouries
1869: Vacuum cleaner: I.W. McGaffers
1870: Magic Lantern projector: Henry R. Heyl
1870: Stock ticker: Thomas Alva Edison
1870: Mobile Gasoline Engine, fitted to a cart precursor to 1888 automobile: Siegfried Marcus
1871: Cable car (railway): Andrew S. Hallidie
1872: Celluloid (later development): John W. Hyatt
1872: Adding machine: Edmund D. Barbour
1873: Railway knuckle coupler: Eli H. Janney
1873: Modern direct current electric motor: Zénobe Gramme
1874: Electric street car: Stephen Dudle Field
1875: Dynamo: William A. Anthony
1875: Magazine (firearm): Benjamin B. Hotchkiss
1876: Carpet sweeper: Melville Bissell
1876: Gasoline carburettor: Daimler
1876: Loudspeaker: Alexander Graham Bell
1877: Stapler: Henry R. Heyl
1877: Induction motor: Nikola Tesla
1877: Phonograph: Thomas Alva Edison
1877: Microphone: Emile Berliner
1878: Cathode ray tube: William Crookes
1878: Rebreather: Henry Fleuss
1879: Pelton turbine: Lester Pelton
1879: Automobile engine: Karl Benz
1879: Cash register: James Ritty
1879: Automobile (Patent): George B. Seldon

Are repeating rifles available in large numbers yet?

Depends on where you are. Assuming already-invented stuff was invented in its historical location, repeating rifles are avalible in large numbers in Europe, but not much elsewere.
And, as I said, there are tradeoffs. Repeaters use smaller cartridges and bullets because their mechanisms are pretty delicate at this point, theyre less accurate and less powerful than single-shot rifles. Few militaries issued them until the 1870's, but some NCO's and officers (and a very few soldiers) might buy them themselves.

OOC:

Ghassan, what happened to your Atlantian Accordance? I was going to join you on that one...

Depends on where you are. Assuming already-invented stuff was invented in its historical location, repeating rifles are avalible in large numbers in Europe, but not much elsewere.
And, as I said, there are tradeoffs. Repeaters use smaller cartridges and bullets because their mechanisms are pretty delicate at this point, theyre less accurate and less powerful than single-shot rifles. Few militaries issued them until the 1870's, but some NCO's and officers (and a very few soldiers) might buy them themselves.

I'd like to leave um out for now until there's an event.

To Emperor Louis XVII of France,

I, King Carlos Rivera II, asks you if you will be willing to open a "united" railway for our both countries.

it will start in Barcelona and will finish in Tolouse. as it won't be very long, it wouldn't be very expensive, and we will be fund %50 of the buildings.

Thank you,

King Carlos Rivera II.

Okay, Kronstadtia, I know you joined late but I need your factbook by tomorrow or I'm erasing you.

Honako, FINISH YOUR FACTBOOK ALREADY. I'd hate to have to kick someone who's already so involved in the game. You've been here for nearly the longest and you're the only one besides the new players without a finished factbook and without an IP. Techinically you can't start playing without either but since you keep saying you're almost done I let it slide. Finish up. Sorry.

Mussleburgh, I gave you some land... not as much as you asked for but as much as anyone else got. Please get your factbook to me within the next three (preferably two) days. I'm sorry I'm rushing you but you joined late so I'm trying to catch you up.

To Emperor Louis XVII of France,

I, King Carlos Rivera II, asks you if you will be willing to open a "united" railway for our both countries.

it will start in Barcelona and will finish in Tolouse. as it won't be very long, it wouldn't be very expensive, and we will be fund %50 of the buildings.

Thank you,

King Carlos Rivera II.

The Emperor is currently meeting with the rulers of Alversia and Honako. I will pass this telegram onto him upon his return from the confrence. Thank you for you're generous offer.

French Foriegn Minister

To: The Soveriegn Nation of Croatia-Bosnia

With the coming fall Emperor Louis XXVII plans to invade all Italian states that are not already loyal to him. He wishes to include your fine nation in his grand war on the lawless and uncivilized Italian people. We come to bring liberty and culture to these forgotten lands. If you accept, we would be more than willing to give you north-western Italy (the Venice and Triste area) and a long sliver of coast going down Italy's eastern border along the Adriatic. France, who will be doing the bulk of the fighting, wishes to have a land pass to his territories in Naples. He plans to build a railroad across Italy and after the fighting is over, he hopes to lay a second railway going straight across northern Italy to Vienna. Do you wish to participate in this grand and chivalrous war? Do you wish more land and wealth for you people so your economy may increase? Join France in her war on Italy.

French Foriegn Minister

I'd like to leave um out for now until there's an event.

Should've said so before approving my factbook -_-
I'll go modify it sometime, then.

Sorry DGNT, I hadn't noticed that you put repeaters in your factbook. But I'd like to keep things single shot for now, that's why I wanted revolvers to be a big deal, even though they're weak they're are first weapon that doesn't need to be constantly reloaded.

Also, even though you're timeline from 1860 onward is very good, I would like to say that I'm not planning to go on that. From 1860 onward it's our history. So I might make an event for the stapler in 1862 or in 1904, whenever.

Those are just the historical dates from Wiki, to give a general idea of when stuff was invented.

Cool, by the way, there's an event for you in the Event Thread DGNT

How would I go about joining Earth 1860?

To the great king of France:

His soverign majesty, King Francis Joseph, has heard of your request to join him in his war against the Italian rebels, and whole-heartedly agrees with you. He will join you and gladly accepts the gracious grants of land you have chosen to give to him in exchange for assisstance. He also wishes to speak to you more directly to discuss further matters beyond joint invasions.

Most Sincerely,

Frederick, Senior Undersecretary to his most soverign majesty of the Austrian Grand Monarchy

How would I go about joining Earth 1860?

Hi Toopoxia, the game is sorta closed now but I could maybe see letting in one last player. We're very strict about factbooks, you'd have to have yours up in two or three days after joining. You're homeland has to to be either in Asia, Europe, or Africa north of the equator. Instead of economies we have IPs, industrial potentials. Each province you own has an IP, it is based on resources, population, how many railroads/canals you have, whether or not you have access to timber, coal, or a river to power your factories, ect. Your net IP is the sum of your provinical IP. An IP below 200 is depression, in which you can't build railroads, canals, train troops, research, wage war, build colonies, or anything. 100 is bankrupcy, troops start disbanding, some of your ships are sold for scrap metal, railroads and canals are no longer functioning. If your IP falls below 30 you lose. I give out the IPs, there's not mathematical way to calculate them. In this game you can build railroads and canals which move troops faster and boast regional IP. You can't spend IP but some things cannot be afforded if you have a low one. It can be tied up though. Lets say you build a new navy and you have a 250 IP. This would probably require all of your industrial potential and for a while you couldn't build anything else. I'm just gonna start skipping around through rules, sorry if it isn't very neat. Your standing military can only account for 1 to 2% of your total population. Your reserves can account for 1 - 5% (the higher you make, the greater strain it is on your economy). If you make military service compuslory it is an even greater strain on your economy and you can hardly afford anything else, this is when 6 - 8% of your total pop. is in the army. We don't play with garrisons or forts, just provincial armies. Occasionally I make events. Events are just random things I throw at players. For instance, I could make a bombing in Paris, or have the airplane be invented in 1899 Germany. I decide what events happen. Generally they are random. You can check the Event Thread for examples.

That's about it, we're very strict about activity. If you don't log on often or post much this isn't for you (in fact you can be kicked out in the middle of the game for not posting enough). Also, make your factbook quickly. I had to kick out two people for not making um. Since you're joing late, you sort of might have to get a little less land. Italy is about to be invaded. India (all of India) is in the middle of a great war. And as you'll see by my next post, I'm about to colonize Canton. Inner Africa, pretty much all of inner Africa, is constantly being colonized. I wouldn't recomend taking that land. If it's alright I'd like to give you Russia west of the Urals, Belarus, and some other Eastern European countries. I want to give you this area so you can fill in for someone who we recently had to kick. So post back soon so we can get you started.

Hi Toopoxia, the game is sorta closed now but I could maybe see letting in one last player. We're very strict about factbooks, you'd have to have yours up in two or three days after joining. You're homeland has to to be either in Asia, Europe, or Africa north of the equator. Instead of economies we have IPs, industrial potentials. Each province you own has an IP, it is based on resources, population, how many railroads/canals you have, whether or not you have access to timber, coal, or a river to power your factories, ect. Your net IP is the sum of your provinical IP. An IP below 200 is depression, in which you can't build railroads, canals, train troops, research, wage war, build colonies, or anything. 100 is bankrupcy, troops start disbanding, some of your ships are sold for scrap metal, railroads and canals are no longer functioning. If your IP falls below 30 you lose. I give out the IPs, there's not mathematical way to calculate them. In this game you can build railroads and canals which move troops faster and boast regional IP. You can't spend IP but some things cannot be afforded if you have a low one. It can be tied up though. Lets say you build a new navy and you have a 250 IP. This would probably require all of your industrial potential and for a while you couldn't build anything else. I'm just gonna start skipping around through rules, sorry if it isn't very neat. Your standing military can only account for 1 to 2% of your total population. Your reserves can account for 1 - 5% (the higher you make, the greater strain it is on your economy). If you make military service compuslory it is an even greater strain on your economy and you can hardly afford anything else, this is when 6 - 8% of your total pop. is in the army. We don't play with garrisons or forts, just provincial armies. Occasionally I make events. Events are just random things I throw at players. For instance, I could make a bombing in Paris, or have the airplane be invented in 1899 Germany. I decide what events happen. Generally they are random. You can check the Event Thread for examples.

That's about it, we're very strict about activity. If you don't log on often or post much this isn't for you (in fact you can be kicked out in the middle of the game for not posting enough). Also, make your factbook quickly. I had to kick out two people for not making um. Since you're joing late, you sort of might have to get a little less land. Italy is about to be invaded. India (all of India) is in the middle of a great war. And as you'll see by my next post, I'm about to colonize Canton. Inner Africa, pretty much all of inner Africa, is constantly being colonized. I wouldn't recomend taking that land. If it's alright I'd like to give you Russia west of the Urals, Belarus, and some other Eastern European countries. I want to give you this area so you can fill in for someone who we recently had to kick. So post back soon so we can get you started.

Western Europe sounds awesome, though a small personal request, can I get something next to the Sea? understandable iffen I can't, also, can ye tell me how Provinces are calculated and how Colonialism works? If there's a place where all the rules are written that'd be super awesome dude.

France would like to announce that this morning 2,600 troops and nearly 7,000 colonists set out from Mindanao. They plan to make land fall in Hong Kong and expand into Canton and Macau region. We do not plan to make the natives our slaves or inferiors. We will let them elect their own goverment with little or no interference from us. At the top of the political ladder will be some appointed French rulers, but they will have little to do in the day-to-day ruling of the area. Our army is there to do the natives no harm. We will establish our fort no closer than fifteen miles from the nearest major town or city. Our colonists, mostly merchants, prospectors, or administrators, will try their best not to interfer with the lives of the natives and will take no land or property from them. The people of Canton, Hong Kong, and Macau will be semi-autonomous within the French Empire. We hope to bring industry and modern technology to the people of this region. Hopefully they will arrive within the next week or so.

Western Europe sounds awesome, though a small personal request, can I get something next to the Sea? understandable iffen I can't, also, can ye tell me how Provinces are calculated and how Colonialism works? If there's a place where all the rules are written that'd be super awesome dude.

They were written and then our old thread got shut down. Just because I have to explain this so many millions of times, I'm gonna be a real jerk and pass this duty onto Dontgonearthere (he's pretty much second-in-command around here). He'll answer any questions you still have. Sorry DGNT, I really can't do this anymore. By the way, I said EASTERN Europe, not Western, sorry if you had your heart set on the west. You get your IP after you finish your factbook. It should include details like, how big is your military, how big is your navy, is slavery legal, what are the primary religions and ethnic groups in your empire (and we are using real religions and ethnicities), where your capital is, what your form of goverment is, and who is your current ruler. I will give you some land on the Black Sea although the Crimea is already taken (and he who controls the Crimea, controls the sea ;)). There is one country to your east but they won't be around much longer I don't think. They posted like once and never did a factbook, I'm giving um a day or two more before I kick them. I let you in because they'll probably end up getting kicked. Good luck and I'll update the map (which can be found on the first page of this thread) soon. If you want to find the rest of the threads related to the 1860 world, there is a link to a thread of all links on the first page as well. You can't start RPing until you have a factbook and I've assigned you an IP. Sorry this is so thrown together, I'm kinda busy.

There were and then our old thread got shut down. Just because I have to explain this so many millions of times, I'm gonna be a real jerk and pass this duty onto Dontgonearthere (he's pretty much second-in-command around here). Sorry DGNT, I really can't do this anymore. By the way, I said EASTERN Europe, not Western, sorry if you had your heart set on the west. You get your IP after you finish your factbook. It should include details like, how big is your military, how big is your navy, is slavery legal, what are the primary religions and ethnic groups in your empire (and we are using real religions and ethnicities), where your capital is, what your form of goverment is, and who is your current ruler. I will give you some land on the Black Sea although the Crimea is already taken (and he who controls the Crimea, controls the sea ;)). There is one country to your east but they won't be around much longer I don't think. They posted like once and never did a factbook, I'm giving um a day or two more before I kick them. I let you in because they'll probably end up getting kicked. Good luck and I'll update the map (which can be found on the first page of this thread) soon. If you want to find the rest of the threads related to the 1860 world, there is a link to a thread of all links on the first page as well. You can't start RPing until you have a factbook and I've assigned you an IP. Sorry this is so thrown together, I'm kinda busy.

My Bad, I meant to say Western Russia, Brainfart on my account really.

I won't be able to get the factbook up until tomorrow, it's quarter past four here and I'm watching Buffy reruns over on Sky One.

Yeah that's totally fine. Try to get accurate population figures. I recommend populstat (the website) but if you can't find certain countries, you can estimate. Right now you're getting Belarus, the Urals, Western Russia (without Karelia, the Kola Pen., St. Petersburg, and a little bit of land near the Baltic States), like 80% of the Ukraine, and most of Russia's modern territory in the Caucauses.

Building railroads and canals usually bring up your IP, but at the beginning of the game, every country gets one free railway which builds instantly but does not increase IP. It can be roughly as long as modern France (in real life) is wide, from the Bay of Biscay to the modern German border. You're allowed to put this railroad anywhere in your empire you want and you can place it as soon as you complete your factbook. So goodluck. I'll foward some of those questions you had onto Dontgonearthere.

Kronstadtia if you don't finish your factbook and have it into me by some point tomorrow, you're out. Sorry.

Just a quick suggestion on the events system, to make things more interesting.
Have you considered a dice rolling system? We used it on EI a while ago and it was generally pretty well liked.
The idea was, you picked a nation (or rolled for one, if you like), then rolled something like this:
First roll-
1-5 good event (EX: a very good harvest or new technology)
6-10 bad event (EX: Terrorist attack or famine)
Second roll:
1, very strong event (Assassination of somebody important)
2, strong event (Invention of something useful)
3, average event (A large riot in an important city)
4, below-average event (a good harvest)
5, weak event (National leader catches a cold)

Events could also add or subtract from IP, speed up railroad construction, that sort of thing, and the ability to make it random is nice as well. If you need a dice-roller, just google 'dice roller', theres a few javascript ones out there that work quite well.

Following successful Colonialisations in Africa, the Alversian Empire has decided to expand into S. America. Troops and Colonists from Peru are planning to expand into Bolivia

It has also been announced that, following a short but bloody war, the Zulu in Zambia have been wiped out. Despite massive casualties from both battle and disease, this country joins Mozambique, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and Malawi in Alversian East Africa

OOC: Doing this because there is lack of imput from Bedford. So I'll RP realistic losses and claim a part of it conquered.

Casualties:
Army: 12,000
Civilian: 9,000

Just a quick suggestion on the events system, to make things more interesting.
Have you considered a dice rolling system? We used it on EI a while ago and it was generally pretty well liked.
The idea was, you picked a nation (or rolled for one, if you like), then rolled something like this:
First roll-
1-5 good event (EX: a very good harvest or new technology)
6-10 bad event (EX: Terrorist attack or famine)
Second roll:
1, very strong event (Assassination of somebody important)
2, strong event (Invention of something useful)
3, average event (A large riot in an important city)
4, below-average event (a good harvest)
5, weak event (National leader catches a cold)

Events could also add or subtract from IP, speed up railroad construction, that sort of thing, and the ability to make it random is nice as well. If you need a dice-roller, just google 'dice roller', theres a few javascript ones out there that work quite well.

I like that. The only thing is some of my events are intentional. I've sorta been messing with you a lot DGNT (most powerful nation) and trying to help New Brittonia (least powerful nation). I might try and use the dice idea, but sometimes throw in events that I choose. Also, some events don't effect specific countries, like the inventing of the revolver.

I've noticed a lot of the nations are named for their real life counterparts, is this a necessity or just convenience?

I've noticed a lot of the nations are named for their real life counterparts, is this a necessity or just convenience?

Conveniance

Following successful Colonialisations in Africa, the Alversian Empire has decided to expand into S. America. Troops and Colonists from Peru are planning to expand into Bolivia

It has also been announced that, following a short but bloody war, the Zulu in Zambia have been wiped out. Despite massive casualties from both battle and disease, this country joins Mozambique, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and Malawi in Alversian East Africa

OOC: Doing this because there is lack of imput from Bedford. So I'll RP realistic losses and claim a part of it conquered.

Casualties:
Army: 12,000
Civilian: 9,000

What? i thought you gived up on your ambitions on the Zulu land area. you didn't respond long time after i did the Ambush thing (atleast, i didn't see you replying), so i ignored the thread.

I like that. The only thing is some of my events are intentional. I've sorta been messing with you a lot DGNT (most powerful nation) and trying to help New Brittonia (least powerful nation). I might try and use the dice idea, but sometimes throw in events that I choose. Also, some events don't effect specific countries, like the inventing of the revolver.

The selected country is generally just where the event happens. Obviously the strongest events are going to be international.

Ok I might need help with and it may take me a couple of days cause I have never done a earth but Factbooks under way! ;)

What? i thought you gived up on your ambitions on the Zulu land area. you didn't respond long time after i did the Ambush thing (atleast, i didn't see you replying), so i ignored the thread.

I replied to it ages ago

Map update!

Now includes French colony in Canton and Pune, Alversian Indian Railroad, two new French railroads, Tooxoplia, Mussleburgh, and some Alversian conquerings in southern Africa. Batteries not included.

I'll pretend you didn't mispell my nation name :P

my factbook is up, can I get my rail line from Azov to the Caspian please?

Put the link on the link thread. I need to inspect it... ;)

Put the link on the link thread. I need to inspect it... ;)

It's in the Hub thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13000035#post13000035

and now here aswell...

Kronstadtia if you don't finish your factbook and have it into me by some point tomorrow, you're out. Sorry.

Of course, I understand your standing, perhaps even better than you know :rolleyes: (I've been in that situation of yours many enough times...)
RL has just been kicking me in the head for the last few days, but it's getting easier now. The factboock shall be posted tomorrow.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Heres my half finished factbook!!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13000252#post13000252

Can I have a railway line from Stockholm to St Petersburg and from St Petersburg to Moscow please.

You don't own Moscow...

you need permission from Toopoxia who does control the city.

It's in the Hub thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13000035#post13000035

and now here aswell...

Toopoxia, we're using real cities.

Toopoxia, we're using real cities.

Sorry, nobody said anything, just out of interest, would it be alright to change the names and keep the location and population? I'll be fine either way and I'll edit those names now...

The Atlantean summit has begun.

I've completed the re-equiping of my Home Army with the Handsen III Breech-Loading Rifle

Sorry, nobody said anything, just out of interest, would it be alright to change the names and keep the location and population? I'll be fine either way and I'll edit those names now...

Sorry, it would make it too confusing. Just keep real cities.

Sorry, it would make it too confusing. Just keep real cities.

It's cool, so what's my IP?

Sorry, I can't do it until you finish your factbook, I need to know how many troops are in your army and what weapons they have, it effects the IP.

Kronstadia, sorry buddy, but you posted like once and had a week to do a factbook and didn't even start it. I'm erasing you.

EDIT: Alversia go ahead and move your IP for India up 11 points for building that railroad.

Do I not own Moscow? I thought I did.

Map update!

Now includes French colony in Canton and Pune, Alversian Indian Railroad, two new French railroads, Tooxoplia, Mussleburgh, and some Alversian conquerings in southern Africa. Batteries not included.

Just to say, I've conquered most of Sudan, all of Benin, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi, and also have ventured further into Colombia. I had a thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536445) about it a while back. Also, my population in my factbook is done.

Honako, you can't write like one paragraph on each of the places then just automatically get them. Alversia has been fighting, taking heavy casualities for about a week trying to take Hyderbad. Look at my posts on conquering India, I took about a quarter of the land you took and look how much I wrote. Also you can just conquer the entire Sudan like that, it's a big place.

EDIT: I hope you didn't include those regions in your factbook.

No, I left Moscow to Toopoxia.

EDIT: Sorry Mussleburgh, I have no idea why this went above your post.

Do I own Moscow if not I might need to invade more populous land.

Crap. :( Once I get set up where would you recommend I invade for more pop? :confused:

A good Java script to use is this one for the dice roller thing.

I got a 2(Invention/good harvest) and a 3 a coal miners strike in Stockholm.

http://javascript.internet.com/games/dice-roller.html

Today the King of Alversia has announced the departure of a convoy from India carrying roughly 10,000 Colonists and 4,000 troops destined for China. They plan to land in the Guangxi region and expand into the Hunan and Guizhou regions before launching an expedition into Loas and Vietnam. The aim is to set up a semi-autonomous government with loyalties to London. The whole plan is expected to take at least three months to set up a government and then several more to expand.

Meanwhile, the Alversian expedition into Bolivia proceeds satisfactorily. The Locals are mostly happy not ot leave their jungle or mountain homelands although clashes with several tribes have been recorded. Many Colonists have been killed by these tribes but Tribal casualties are many times higher. Around half of the country has been settled but the rest remains unruly and beyond Alversian reach. The consolidation of power in Alversian Bolivia will continue for at least several months more.

A good Java script to use is this one for the dice roller thing.

I got a 2(Invention/good harvest) and a 3 a coal miners strike in Stockholm.

http://javascript.internet.com/games/dice-roller.html

ok. if we use that.

my first roll was 2. (good event.)

my second roll was 4. (below-average event.)

good harvest at Brazil.

Have I been granted my railroad and how have my conquering plans gone?

Oh, and I have begun the Atlantean Conference. Find it here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12987922#post12987922

ok. if we use that.

my first roll was 2. (good event.)

my second roll was 4. (below-average event.)

good harvest at Brazil.

Guys, I'm doing the events. I'll handle it, sometimes I'll use the dice, sometimes I won't.

EDIT: If you put any of that into your factbooks you guys, take it out.

Okay, to add some more depth to the game I want to add another section to our factbooks.

If you are a republic of any kind or have a parliament/senate, then you have a party system. Make a breakdown of political parties in your nation. (eg 47% Liberal Party, 13% Grand Albanian Party, 2% Conservative Party, 3% Bald Eagle Party, ect.)

If you are a monarchy or dictatorship or have a constitution but no parliament/senate, don't bother.

Keep in mind that in Earth 1860 (or 1861 now) there is no communism or socialism yet. Yeah, it's a whacky, senseless world I've made, I know.

I'm sorry if this is an extra burden but this is going to get very interesting very soon, stay tuned for the next event coming tomorrow ;).

EDIT: I need Mussleburgh, Alversia, Ghassan, Bredford, Honako, and Croatia-Bosnia to check the Events Thread. It's not the event I mentioned above, but it's still a big one.

Crap. :( Once I get set up where would you recommend I invade for more pop? :confused:

It wouldn't be a bad idea. You have a lot of land, but not many people to inhabit it. The only thing is you need to make sure you don't lose more troops fighting than you get civilians from the conquest.

Honako, you said your factbook was done, could you attach it to the link page?

Anti, you gonna give us a list of go/no go technologies? Just so's we have an idea of what to use and what not to.

Heres the list I came up with. Of course, this is just 'important' stuff. If somebody isnt sure about something, just ask I guess.

List of inventions:

1800-1830 (Avalible to everybody):
The screw propeller
Gas stove
Steam Locomotives
Band saw
Arc lamp
Mine safety lamp
Stethoscope
Bicycle
Electric motor
Electromagnet
Portland cement
Photography
Internal combustion engine (NOT effecient)*
Friction match
Lawn mower
Multi-coil magnets
Telegraphs
Thresher/Reaper
Electrical generator
Braille
Refrigerators (very primitive ;) )
Combine harvesters
Revolver
Morse code
Incandescent light bulb
Sewing machine
Electric printing press
Steel plow
Diving Suit
Zoom lense camera
Vulcanization of rubber*

1840 (Avalible to more modern nations)
Artificial fertilizer
Anaesthesia
Typewriter
Early fax machines*
Ice cream
Pnuematic tire
Rotrary printing press
Safety pin
Telephone*

1850 (Avalible only to the great powers and highly modern nations)
Airship*
Passenger eleveator*
Bunsen burner
Bessemer process (Steel)*
Celluloid
Undersea telegraph cables
Airtight 'Mason' jar
Oil drill (NOTE this one is okay, but we aren't really using oil yet)
Lead acid battery*
Repeating rifles*
Ironclads

Things not yet invented (includes things developed at a later date in other places. Too lazy to pick them out)

1860: Linoleum: Fredrick Walton
1860: Repeating rifle: Oliver F. Winchester *
1860: Self-propelled torpedo: Giovanni Luppis*
1861: Siemens regenerative furnace: Carl Wilhelm Siemens
1862: Revolving machine gun: Richard J. Gatling *
1862: Mechanical submarine: Narcís Monturiol i Estarriol*
1862: Pasteurization: Louis Pasteur, Claude Bernard
1863: Player piano: Henri Fourneaux
1864: Concept typewriter: Peter Mitterhofer
1865: Roller Coaster: LaMarcus Adna Thompson
1865: Barbed wire: Louis Jannin *
1866: Dynamite: Alfred Nobel *
1868: Practical typewriter: Christopher Sholes, Carlos Glidden and Samuel W. Soule, with assistance from James Densmore
1868: Air brake (rail): George Westinghouse
1868: Oleomargarine: Mege Mouries
1869: Vacuum cleaner: I.W. McGaffers
1870: Magic Lantern projector: Henry R. Heyl
1870: Stock ticker: Thomas Alva Edison
1870: Mobile Gasoline Engine, fitted to a cart precursor to 1888 automobile: Siegfried Marcus
1871: Cable car (railway): Andrew S. Hallidie
1872: Celluloid (later development): John W. Hyatt
1872: Adding machine: Edmund D. Barbour
1873: Railway knuckle coupler: Eli H. Janney
1873: Modern direct current electric motor: Zénobe Gramme
1874: Electric street car: Stephen Dudle Field
1875: Dynamo: William A. Anthony
1875: Magazine (firearm): Benjamin B. Hotchkiss
1876: Carpet sweeper: Melville Bissell
1876: Gasoline carburettor: Daimler
1876: Loudspeaker: Alexander Graham Bell
1877: Stapler: Henry R. Heyl
1877: Induction motor: Nikola Tesla
1877: Phonograph: Thomas Alva Edison
1877: Microphone: Emile Berliner
1878: Cathode ray tube: William Crookes
1878: Rebreather: Henry Fleuss
1879: Pelton turbine: Lester Pelton
1879: Automobile engine: Karl Benz *
1879: Cash register: James Ritty
1879: Automobile (Patent): George B. Seldon*

I put *s next to the ones that haven't been invented yet. Even if the invention was made in the future (ie 1865), if I put a star next it, it means that when that year comes, it doesn't matter because I won't become available until after I make an event for it.

Im gonna have to argue with the artificial fertilizer bit. Without that all of the European nations are going to have to recalculate their populations to account for a lack of population boom due to previously infertile or harvested-out areas not becoming viable for agriculture, not to mention the crop booms of the era. We've already removed outside sources of food from colonies and such.

Perhaps in regards to the internal combustion engine you could make it the invention of an PRACTICAL (gasoline, perhaps?) one, since they were really around prior to even the date Wiki gives in various forms.

For all the others, how 'bout a raffle for their invention when that date comes around? Some consideration would have to be given to WHO could invent things though, I doubt Japans going to be coming up with much until the 1870's at the very least.

Dontgonearthere you have a TG

Im gonna have to argue with the artificial fertilizer bit. Without that all of the European nations are going to have to recalculate their populations to account for a lack of population boom due to previously infertile or harvested-out areas not becoming viable for agriculture, not to mention the crop booms of the era. We've already removed outside sources of food from colonies and such.

Perhaps in regards to the internal combustion engine you could make it the invention of an PRACTICAL (gasoline, perhaps?) one, since they were really around prior to even the date Wiki gives in various forms.

For all the others, how 'bout a raffle for their invention when that date comes around? Some consideration would have to be given to WHO could invent things though, I doubt Japans going to be coming up with much until the 1870's at the very least.

I agree on fetilizer, it's in. But I don't like the raffle thing. I like to make events based on timing. Right before a big war, maybe I'll add repeaters to make it interesting. Some of these inventions will come from Switzerland where everyone can have have access to them, some of them will only be available to one or two countries at first, but later I will make them international

I didnt mean the starred ones, but the things that havent been invented yet, but will be on their historical date. It just feels better than everything getting invinted in Switzerland.
And sometimes things were discovered virtually simultaneously in different parts of the world, the airplane for example. Repeaters as well. What often happened was something was invented in one place, which gave some guy somewhere else the idea to either re-invent that thing, or gave him the idea for a specific THING to make his idea work.
Aaaaaaaanyway, s'your RP. Im just your conscience, or something.

I didnt mean the starred ones, but the things that havent been invented yet, but will be on their historical date. It just feels better than everything getting invinted in Switzerland.
And sometimes things were discovered virtually simultaneously in different parts of the world, the airplane for example. Repeaters as well. What often happened was something was invented in one place, which gave some guy somewhere else the idea to either re-invent that thing, or gave him the idea for a specific THING to make his idea work.
Aaaaaaaanyway, s'your RP. Im just your conscience, or something.

Okay, from now on all things that got invented in the future (past 1861) will actually get invented on that date. I am going to make exceptions on the ones I starred though. I think it would be interesting to hold off on submarines until we could actually use them as real, functional war subs. Barbed wire and repeaters are probably going to come out on the eve of a major war. And I think I'm gonna hold off on automobiles for a while because I think it will change gameplay a lot.

New map update.

OOC: Ant you didn't add the Alversian conquests in Bolivia or the Alversian landings in China?

Why are my colonies discounted when say, no offense to you Alversia, Alversia's African and South American colonial expansion have been just as detailed. For example:


France would like to announce that this morning 2,600 troops and nearly 7,000 colonists set out from Mindanao. They plan to make land fall in Hong Kong and expand into Canton and Macau region. We do not plan to make the natives our slaves or inferiors. We will let them elect their own goverment with little or no interference from us. At the top of the political ladder will be some appointed French rulers, but they will have little to do in the day-to-day ruling of the area. Our army is there to do the natives no harm. We will establish our fort no closer than fifteen miles from the nearest major town or city. Our colonists, mostly merchants, prospectors, or administrators, will try their best not to interfer with the lives of the natives and will take no land or property from them. The people of Canton, Hong Kong, and Macau will be semi-autonomous within the French Empire. We hope to bring industry and modern technology to the people of this region. Hopefully they will arrive within the next week or so.

Again, sorry to pick on you Alversia, you were just the first example I found. And sorry for seeming like I'm having a go at you Ant. Anyway, I'm fine with doing more work on my posts, though others have got away with this. I was planning to develop the Colombian one further and also I will have resistance when I have the time to RP. I just fail to see why me writing a few paragraphs for land is different to someone else doing something pretty much similar.

That was on of my posts you quoted and if you look at the map, the area I took over was tiny. I also made one post (albeit a long one) for the capture of Pune, two posts for the capture of Libreville, and three for taking that space between that Indian gulf and Bombay.

EDIT: By the way Honako, finish your factbook soon. I've been posting this all over our threads and you don't seem to get them, if you don't finish soon, I gotta kick you. I'm sorry. Everyone else is done, even the people who have been here for less than a week.

I know I have military to do, it'll be done by tomorrow evening.

And I really don't want to bug you about this issue - I don't want this whole thing to be about short posts and I'm done, I like long RP's and hadn't really finished the one I made, I'm fine with RPing more - though I'd prefer it if the same rule applied for all. For example, in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12989597&postcount=36) post one or two countries were taken. That was about what I did. I'd prefer with RPing more, as long as the same rule applies for all. :)

I know I have military to do, it'll be done by tomorrow evening.

And I really don't want to bug you about this issue - I don't want this whole thing to be about short posts and I'm done, I like long RP's and hadn't really finished the one I made, I'm fine with RPing more - though I'd prefer it if the same rule applied for all. For example, in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12989597&postcount=36) post one or two countries were taken. That was about what I did. I'd prefer with RPing more, as long as the same rule applies for all. :)

Yeah, I'd love that too, it's just hard policing everyone.

Why are my colonies discounted when say, no offense to you Alversia, Alversia's African and South American colonial expansion have been just as detailed. For example:



Again, sorry to pick on you Alversia, you were just the first example I found. And sorry for seeming like I'm having a go at you Ant. Anyway, I'm fine with doing more work on my posts, though others have got away with this. I was planning to develop the Colombian one further and also I will have resistance when I have the time to RP. I just fail to see why me writing a few paragraphs for land is different to someone else doing something pretty much similar.

No Probs, the posts were far too short but all I could write with the time I had. Details will come when I have the time.

Yeah, I'd love that too, it's just hard policing everyone.

But can you understand my issue? I just feel a tad meh (a strange thing to say I know but I wouldn't call it annoyed :)) that one person can do that and another can't. Again, no offense Alversia or Ant (if you don't mind me calling you that) as your both good RPers and I'm not doubting that, your Indian RP was evidence. Anyway, If I can, I would like to request again that if I add more development for both Benin, some more of Sudan (not all) and three states are added. Also, can my Kalingrad-Warsaw-Berlin line be added to the map, thanks.

Oh, and I've done the military numbers. Equipment I'm unsure of, though it will be the same mostly as the major powers of the time, though my navy probably won't rival the French and British, my land force will.

Hey all.

I'd like to take the remaining free Italian territory as the Republic of Italy. I know tactics of the time, have time to get online most every day, and I can get started on my factbook right away.

Honako, the Prussian rifle of around 1860 was the breech-loading Dreyse Model 1848 'needle rifle' - the Dreyse Zündnadelgewehr. It could fire around 10 to 12 rounds a minute, compared to the more common muzzle-loaded rifles in service with other nations at the time, which managed around 5 to 6 rounds a minute.

The effective range was 600 metres, slightly less than many rifles of the time. This was due to imperfections in casting which caused a significant amount of gas to escape the breech when the weapon was fired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle-gun

Hey all.

I'd like to take the remaining free Italian territory as the Republic of Italy. I know tactics of the time, have time to get online most every day, and I can get started on my factbook right away.

Italy is currently being invaded. I would recommend taking a lot more land by the way. You can have all the orange land (and a bit more in the Balkans and the rest of Anatolia) if you want. Either you or the other new guy needs to take it.

Ugh... isn't that just my luck.

If I'm allowed to disassemble the orange area, then I'll take Greece, the orange land on the west side of the Bosporus Strait, Istanbul, and as much of western Anatolia as you care to add.

Call it the Kingdom of Greece.

EDIT: Nation name change from 'Sparta' concept to 'Kingdom of Greece'.

Ugh... isn't that just my luck.

If I'm allowed to disassemble the orange area, then I'll take Greece, the orange land on the west side of the Bosporus Strait, Istanbul, and as much of western Anatolia as you care to add.

Call it the state of Sparta.

Are you sure? You're going to need a LOT more land than that. Instead of economies we have Industrial Potential (IP) which is based on your empires population, resources, raw materials, railroads/canals (which you can build one you have a factbook), and access to coal/timber/a river. If you only had a few provinces your IP would be very low. 200 or less IP is a depression in which you can't build ships, train troops, make colonies, or really do anything. I think either 90 or 100 is bankrupcy (haha, I sorta forget my own rules at the moment) in which troops start to disband and railroads become inactive. You can't not start wars, but can only be attacked during bankrupcy. If your IP falls below 30 (or maybe 25...) you just lose. I'll post the rules later today, right now I'm in a rush.


By the way, all European countries (with the exception of Mussleburgh and maybe C-B... I forget if he's involved to) need to go read the last three events, the first and last are the most important. The second only concerns Ghassan.

By the way, and sorry for this crap post, France would like to lay claim to the entire coast of North America from her plantation colonies in the south, all the way to Nova Scotia. We will be attacking these regions later this year (probably in a few months) and actually conquering them then. Until then, any nation that tries to take them will be messing with us. Please note that the largest concentration of French regulars outside of our homeland are found in North America.

I'd like to see what I can make of a small nation. The Kingdom of Greece will be small, proud and very angry.

And probably allied with someone with a little more muscle.

Honako, the Prussian rifle of around 1860 was the breech-loading Dreyse Model 1848 'needle rifle' - the Dreyse Zündnadelgewehr. It could fire around 10 to 12 rounds a minute, compared to the more common muzzle-loaded rifles in service with other nations at the time, which managed around 5 to 6 rounds a minute.

The effective range was 600 metres, slightly less than many rifles of the time. This was due to imperfections in casting which caused a significant amount of gas to escape the breech when the weapon was fired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle-gun

Thanks, I know little about the rifles of the time, so merely looked to others factbooks for assistance.

I learnt all that from Wikipedia, today.

If you're looking for a pistol, the Walker Colt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Colt) revolver of 1847 or the 1836 Colt Paterson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Paterson) are both solid choices.

Honako, factbook, now.

(Don't know if this is the right thread, but here goes.)

I would like to claim Mexico if possible. If not the whole of mexico, the five northern most states not including Baja California.

http://www.milebymile.com/kmimages/mexico_map_500.gif

Factbook will be up if accepted.

Could I claim Mexico?

In Soviet Russia, Mexico claims YOU!

In Soviet Russia, Mexico claims YOU!

Haha, oh Yakov.

Rugg, were you the one that contacted us the other day? If so, no you can't have Mexico, you're homeland must be in Eurasia or Africa north of the equator. You can claim some colonies overseas if you want. If you weren't the one who contacted us yesterday, sorry we're closed.

Bredford, you still wanna build that railroad? Instead of going from Barcelona to Toulous, we think it should go from Barcelona, through Toulous, and to Paris. Since most of the rail will be laid in French territory we will foot 60% of the bill. Agreed?

However poor it is, can I finally rest with the assurance that there is no more pressure for me to finish my factbook?

You need to do your navy, your religious and political breakdowns, and you need to note your industrial potential.

Navy will be the hardest part of that, I would say.

Hey, I just want to do a quick poll to see if anyone actually gives a crap about Serbia? I'm looking at a map here, and Balkan expansion is looking very attractive right now.

You need to do your navy, your religious and political breakdowns, and you need to note your industrial potential.

Navy will be the hardest part of that, I would say.

I've done religious and political breakdowns (it's a monarchy with total control so no parties) if you read my factbook. Navy isn't done, though I'm unsure about how to do that. But my IP is up, so I take that as a good sign.

Serbia...erm, I'd say Croatia-Bosnia would have something to say on the invasion. And most of the powers, as invasions in Europe usually cause divides.

I know that the other Balkan states won't like it, but I'm taking that into account. I'm more interested in the opinions of the Big Three.

Haha! I see you've already figured out who they are.

I have no objections though I recommend expansion into Turkey and the Near East over the Balkans, for now.

Now my allies, Britain and Germany, might be less than enthusiastic about it but you can ask them.

The Big Three have been the Big Three since 1815 :D

My immediate objective is to kick some ass and grab some factories, and the easiest way to do that is beat up the Balkan states until I'm on the border of the Austrian Empire. After that comes a few years of peace and recuperation, and then some eastward expansion.

All non-threatening to the esteemed states, kingdoms and empires of Western Europe.

The Big Three have been the Big Three since 1815 :D

My immediate objective is to kick some ass and grab some factories, and the easiest way to do that is beat up the Balkan states until I'm on the border of the Austrian Empire. After that comes a few years of peace and recuperation, and then some eastward expansion.

All non-threatening to the esteemed states, kingdoms and empires of Western Europe.

I didn't know Germany (at the time Prussia) was a member of the Big Three in post-Napoleanic Europe.

Well, truth be told you were probably the biggest barrier in my mind to actually invading le Balkans, and since you don't give a flying fuck what happens to the Serbs, I'm going to get ready to kick their heads in.

Well, truth be told you were probably the biggest barrier in my mind to actually invading le Balkans, and since you don't give a flying fuck what happens to the Serbs, I'm going to get ready to kick their heads in.

I would like control of Montenegro though, as a base to moniter events in the turpulent Balkan region. If you promise to leave this area unharmed, I will allow you to expand into the Balkans. My Med. fleet will arrive in Montenegro in about a month, at that time we will unload our sailors and threaten to depose and kill the local rulers if they do not abdicate peacefully. If they do not, my sailors will rain hell on them and my battleships will bombard their coast until they do.

The Germans will be happy as long for two things a) don't expand into Romania or the rest of Belarus and b) they get there part of the Balklans, preferable a Bosnia sized part. Either that or influence over the region, considering we are the closest European power.

My King is Bavarian. Greece would like be friends wid j00.

Are we agreed? Can I take Montenegro?

Sure. I had it on my list anyway, but the population's small enough not to be essential to my expansion.

If I would be allowed to establish a base in Albania, then I could provide Naval Support for any Invasion of the Balkans

Alversia, what land do you want in China? I need to know soon because I can only update the map once in a while now and I'm going to do it soon.

If I would be allowed to establish a base in Albania, then I could provide Naval Support for any Invasion of the Balkans

Haha, we're all slowly taking Michiyo's manifest destiny away.

Alversia: The city of Vlorë would be suitable for such an expedition.

Antigonal: If complete political control of Montenegro is desired, it might be practical that French troops participate in the invasion. If the young men of Greece fight and die alone for land which is then to be given to another nation, public opinion at home will swing against the government.

The city of Vlorë would be suitable for such an expedition.

If complete political control of Montenegro is desired, it might be practical that Alversian troops participate in the invasion. If the young men of Greece fight and die alone for land which is then to be given to another nation, public opinion at home will swing against the government.

I had no intention of employing Greek or British troops in my expedition against Montenegro. The French navy is more than capable of subduing a tiny dukedom clinging to the Adriatic coast.

Michiyo, would you mind taking the Crimea? It might make for an interesting scenario later on (and, no, I'm not talking about a Crimean War).

Alversia, what land do you want in China? I need to know soon because I can only update the map once in a while now and I'm going to do it soon.

http://www.invasive.org/hwa/images/Map%20China%20Province_%20coll%20sites.jpg
The coast of Guangxi

Gyaar. A typo there. I wrote French originally, then saw Alversia's last post and changed it to British without thinking. Changed to French again.

Good idea, though. I'll add Crimea to the list.

When did the British invade China? Just checking you know, so in future I can see how long invasion posts are supposed to be. Also, are you allowing my invasion of Benin, a bit more Sudan, and Alabama, Mississippi and Liousana to go ahead this time.

My King is Bavarian. Greece would like be friends wid j00.

A German King, that is influence enough. Though I still have my eye on Bosnia, and would assist you in capturing it for it's coast around Neum. In fact, you could have Bosnia (the larger inland part that connects to Serbia, making sense), and I'd have Herzegovina. You don't need my assistance, though I don't want to feel left out, and I think I'll create a puppet state out of it - The Kingdom of Herzegovina, with your King it's ceremonial leader, and with men appointed by the Kaiser having the real power...I'm getting a bit carried away for such a small piece of land! :p

Here - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Bosna_regija.jpg - is a map, though I might take up to Gorazde. Or the whole lot, if you don't want it! ;)

How about this.

Firstly, when compared to Serbia, Bosnia, Herzegovina and Montenegro - I am the regional power. In this local arena, with the Austrians and Romanians between you and me, I am in charge.

Second, I will give you the city of Neum, the strip of Bosnian coast that it resides upon, and everything ten miles inland from there. You will not be required to do anything for this. Rather, you will be required to do nothing.

After the war, we shall have tea and scones and be jolly and stuff.

When did the British invade China? Just checking you know, so in future I can see how long invasion posts are supposed to be. Also, are you allowing my invasion of Benin, a bit more Sudan, and Alabama, Mississippi and Liousana to go ahead this time.

OOC: A bit later than planned (Due to real life) I gave you the Alversian landings in China:
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In the year of our lord 1861, a Convoy of ships bearing the flag of Alversia landed on the southern coast of China. The 8,000 Colonists and 2,000 Soldiers of the King’s 45th Irish Regiment landed in a region known Guangxi. With a population of around 10,000,000 the colonists were considerably outnumbered by the small Dukedom in terms of troops however while the Guangxi Army continued to fight with the traditional spears and bows, the Alversian troops were equipped with modern Rifles and cannon. Any battle between them would be brief it was thought.

Initially there was no confrontation as the bemused locals were content to sit back and watch as the Alversians established a small port town (Port Qinzhou) as well as building defensive walls and towers for the unit’s cannon to rest in. It was only after a few weeks, by which time the colonists had planted farms and established all the essentials of a small town that the local Chinese reacted.

Initially it was not an organised effort but merely several mobs of local peasants banging on the doors. These unruly mobs were easily seen off by the garrison, often with a single cannon shot. However, eventually the local warlord summoned his army to Qinzhou in order to remove these Westerners from his coastline. Although numerically strong (25,000 Chinese vs. 2,000 Alversians) the Chinese lacked the weaponry to storm the walls of the fort.

Several attacks were beaten off over the coming weeks by the professionalism and ferocity of the garrison as well as the courage of the Militia. The Chinese also failed to cut off the port from supply, courtesy of the 80 x gun Battleship HMS Vigilance and several other warships. During these battles one of the Warlord’s sons was killed as was the Commander of the Alversian Artillery

Reinforcements arrived in the form of the 62nd, 71st and 94th Native Regiments from India. These 6,000 troops were accompanied by several guns of 1st Native Artillery. The combination of the new manpower and artillery combined in the Chinese Army’s decision to withdraw into the interior to rebuild their numbers and recover from the 5 week siege. During this period they had lost 9,500 casualties compared to the 1,050 Alversian Troops and 500 Militiamen.

Almost immediately after the Siege was lifted the surrounding Chinese, having seen their army decisively repelled, began to flock to the port to declare their loyalty to the Westerners and their big guns. The Alversians wasted no time in selected the most reliable and training them to form the first Native Chinese Regiment. It would take considerable time to train it to a standard equal to the Indian or British Regiments that were already building their strength at the fort. The capturing of Guangxi would take longer than had been anticipated, as the Chinese troops had proven their courage and loyalty to their warlord. However, the willingness of the people to accept the superior of the two struggling powers illustrated that the Alversians were well on their way to gaining a secure and profitable colony.

OOC: I'll write more as I expand the Colony or the locals attempt another attack

May I please have Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, western Georgia, everything in Texas except the northwest, Tennessee, eastern Oklahoma, the whole southern section and the eastern half of Missouri with the whole area along the Mississippi, the southern third of Illinois, the southern half of Indiana, and the southern quarter of Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, and the part of Mexico along the Rio Grande please?

Im not sure the RP is still open, and if it is, I beleive Anti wants homelands in the Old World, north of the Equator.

Yep. Can't make initial claims in the Americas, Africa or anywhere from India to Australia.

May I please have Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, western Georgia, everything in Texas except the northwest, Tennessee, eastern Oklahoma, the whole southern section and the eastern half of Missouri with the whole area along the Mississippi, the southern third of Illinois, the southern half of Indiana, and the southern quarter of Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, and the part of Mexico along the Rio Grande please?I apologize if this is not still open. Though for a homeland I will prefer northern Italy then. Though to note I plan to have a colony based economy then.

Im not sure the RP is still open, and if it is, I beleive Anti wants homelands in the Old World, north of the Equator.Thank you for pointing that out and I shall privately contact Antigonal to try and figure out what is up.

That'll work, I think. I think Anti did want another guy...Im not really sure, but I believe he wanted somebody to take the old Ottoman area.
You could just play Italians in the Turkish area :P

Michiyo, would you mind taking the Crimea? It might make for an interesting scenario later on (and, no, I'm not talking about a Crimean War).

NOOOOO!!!!

That Chrimea is mine!!! XD

nah i'm just kidding, might be interesting.

A world without diplomatic incidents would be most dull indeed.

hummm.

if you've still got a slot, I'm interested.

I'd claim... the Balkans, is it? between the orange blob and the purple blob there :)

though i don't seem to be finding much in the way of rules regarding what is and isn't allowed and how things such as population are decided.

not really a lot of room for colonialism... but if i play it right, room for empire building, oh yes.

of course, this is all a moot point if you don't have room left.

edit: or, you know, the ottoman empire, if you need someone to do that... though i'd rather not pick up someone else's stuff if i don't have to.

We are indeed in the market for an Ottoman Empire. You even get the Crimea as a bonus :P
Population is decided by RL pops at the time. Its not the most accurate, but in the interest of fairness, we use Populstat.info's data.

EDIT:
Or what Anti says lol simulpost

hummm.

if you've still got a slot, I'm interested.

I'd claim... the Balkans, is it? between the orange blob and the purple blob there :)

though i don't seem to be finding much in the way of rules regarding what is and isn't allowed and how things such as population are decided.

not really a lot of room for colonialism... but if i play it right, room for empire building, oh yes.

of course, this is all a moot point if you don't have room left.

edit: or, you know, the ottoman empire, if you need someone to do that... though i'd rather not pick up someone else's stuff if i don't have to.


I depends, we have one more slot but I just offered it to someone. If he doesn't take the spot I'll contact you.

Okay guys, I just did a map update.

Bredford, your Floridian railroad is finished (raise Florida's IP 4 points)

NB, the first railroad you wanted me to do and a small piece of the second are finished (raise Ethiopia's IP 5 points, Kenya's 2, and Djbu(whatever) 1).

Alversia, I made that colony of yours in southern China and expanded your Bolivian colony (China is worth 36 points and Bolivia is worth 24).

I expanded my colony in Gabon (7 points).

Ghassan, the Venezuelan Railroad is finally finished (8 points up).

Honako, I put all your new railroads on (Germany up 5, Poland up 3).

Michiyo, I put you on the map and for some reason decided to give you Cyprus. I can take it off if you wanted to, put it might make an interesting colony.

I think that's about it... check it out anyway.

We are indeed in the market for an Ottoman Empire. You even get the Crimea as a bonus :P
Population is decided by RL pops at the time. Its not the most accurate, but in the interest of fairness, we use Populstat.info's data.

EDIT:
Or what Anti says lol simulpost

Haha, I offered Scand a lot of the Mid East in our TGs. He might decide not to take it though or take another region I offered him (I also offered Tibet, inner China, some North African states, or Central Asia, none are very good options though).

Hey Anti Dude, do I get a Railroad yet? I still need to work out my navy but my factbook is about done, iffen so, I'd like one from Rostov to Astrakhan.

Hey Anti Dude, do I get a Railroad yet? I still need to work out my navy but my factbook is about done, iffen so, I'd like one from Rostov to Astrakhan.

Okay, that counts as your free railroad. Next map update I'll put it on.

Haha, I offered Scand a lot of the Mid East in our TGs. He might decide not to take it though or take another region I offered him (I also offered Tibet, inner China, some North African states, or Central Asia, none are very good options though).

Heh, since I'll probably be looking to Inner China at some point I wouldnt say its a good choice either :P

On another note, once we get our European nations established and maybe have a nice war or two, maybe we could open the RP up again and allow people to claim smaller states? Places in the New World and sub-saharan Africa, various islands, etc? A modified version of the economy system would be needed for them, but it'd work out I think.

Oh, and you have a diplomatic message in your factbook.

That sounds interesting, but we could only allow maybe two. Too many would change the game too much... plus I'm getting sick of constantly explaining the rules.

DGNT, I replied to you on my factbook.

Okay guys, I just did a map update.

Bredford, your Floridian railroad is finished (raise Florida's IP 4 points)

NB, the first railroad you wanted me to do and a small piece of the second are finished (raise Ethiopia's IP 5 points, Kenya's 2, and Djbu(whatever) 1).

Alversia, I made that colony of yours in southern China and expanded your Bolivian colony (China is worth 36 points and Bolivia is worth 24).

I expanded my colony in Gabon (7 points).

Ghassan, the Venezuelan Railroad is finally finished (8 points up).

Honako, I put all your new railroads on (Germany up 5, Poland up 3).

Michiyo, I put you on the map and for some reason decided to give you Cyprus. I can take it off if you wanted to, put it might make an interesting colony.

I think that's about it... check it out anyway.

What about my railroad to Amsterdam, would that make Holland go up a few points? Also, again, due to the list of examples I displayed earlier about the content I put in compared to others, I would like to request the colonization of Benin, more inland of Sudan, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. I'll add a few more paragraphs if it will get those lands mine, but please put them on the map!

you have let people invade countries in just over a paragraph you still won't let my writing pass.

Is this big enough for you? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13019664&postcount=163)

Is this big enough for you? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13019664&postcount=163)

I wasn't trying to have a go at you, sorry. I've edited out my rant, though my point still stands.

Sorry Honako, I'm an idiot. It totally slipped my mind to put your stuff in. Just count it in your factbook and I'll put it on in the next update.

Thanks Ant. And sorry again Alversia, I Tg'd you, I didn't mean for you to be the target of my rant again. And your Chinese post is good, I now feel like a complainer. :p

Okay all, I gave the Scandinavians Libya, Tunisia, a large chunk of Algeria, some of Morrocco, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, some of Mexico, and the Bahamas.

EDIT: Which means we're still in the market for an Ottoman Empire, which is going to consist of the remainder of Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and their choice of Iraq, Jordan, and Western Arabia, OR Eygpt. Unless you guys think we're better off without. It's hard to train a new player this late.

ok.. finally, the Floridian railway is completed! lol.

i thought on small war in South-Africa, and then maybe Vietnam. notify me if i can do the war on SA, also, a mass industrialization of Spain. (i mean, really mass one. talking in terms of IP it should get around +20-25 IP for spain.)


BTW, what with the Brazilian railway?

ok.. finally, the Floridian railway is completed! lol.

Bredford, do you still wanna make a Barcelona-Toulous railroad? Because I'd like to expand it to Paris, I'll pay for 60%.

Bredford, do you still wanna make a Barcelona-Toulous railroad? Because I'd like to expand it to Paris, I'll pay for 60%.

agreed!

BTW, answer my questions (i edited my former post)

Vietnam...could you change your plans on that front? Because that would ruin the grand German scheme of my own Indochina, and how could you live with doing that!

sorry man. i am the only guy (i think) who didn't acquired a colony since start of game.

however, if you could compensenate me in colonies in other place.. keep talking.

The Brazilian Railroad is still underway, it's the largest one the world's yet seen and it's being built in pretty rough terrain.

ok.. finally, the Floridian railway is completed! lol.

i thought on small war in South-Africa, and then maybe Vietnam. notify me if i can do the war on SA, also, a mass industrialization of Spain. (i mean, really mass one. talking in terms of IP it should get around +20-25 IP for spain.)


BTW, what with the Brazilian railway?

Vietnam...could you change your plans on that front? Because that would ruin the grand German scheme of my own Indochina, and how could you live with doing that!

ok.. finally, the Floridian railway is completed! lol.

i thought on small war in South-Africa, and then maybe Vietnam. notify me if i can do the war on SA, also, a mass industrialization of Spain. (i mean, really mass one. talking in terms of IP it should get around +20-25 IP for spain.)


BTW, what with the Brazilian railway?

You can't just industrialize, industrialization comes with more resources, more trains/canals, more people, more raw materials, and access to coal/a river/timber. A South African war would be long and costly, and someone would need to RP against you.

You can't just industrialize, industrialization comes with more resources, more trains/canals, more people, more raw materials, and access to coal/a river/timber. A South African war would be long and costly, and someone would need to RP against you.

ok then. (by the way, you forgot to add my railway from Madrid to La Coruna on the map, and you said it was approved.)

by the means of South African war, i don't mean to control the whole area. just like triple my small colony there (because of its size, enlarging it a bit shouldn't be a problem.) and do a small genocide to few small tribes in the area. that should be one battle or even two if its really necessary.

Okay, another map update:

Honako, I expanded your colony in Georgia to Alabama and Miss., put your IP for those territories up 30 points. I also expanded you colony in the Sudan, put that colony's IP up 9 points. I forgot to mention on the last map update to put your IP for Holland up 3 points for that railroad. Lastly, I expanded your West African colonies, you now own half of Benin. Put its IP up 12.

Toop, your free railroad is now on.

The Scandinavians, you're now on the map (but you can't begin to RP until after you have a completed factbook).

I gave myself Montenegro (I know I haven't posted anything yet, I made a long thread last night then accidently exited out of the window before I saved :rolleyes:. I will make another one soon though explaining how I got it.

I think that's about it.

Bredford, real sorry I didn't see that post about the La Coruna railroad before I updated again. Next time it'll be on for sure and since it counts as part of your free railroad, it doesn't cost anything or take time to build.

Do I get Albania?

Dude, didn't you want a naval base in Albania, or something?

Dude, didn't you want a naval base in Albania, or something?

No not yet, did you work that out with Michiyo?

The coast would be nice

EDIT: Another friggin' timewarp, that's my forth today!

Do I get Albania?

No not yet, did you work that out with Michiyo?

So how would I go around to claiming some territory?

So how would I go around to claiming some territory?

Didn't we kick you?

EDIT: Oh wait! Sorry, that was a guy named Candistan.

The Scandinavians, you're now on the map (but you can't begin to RP until after you have a completed factbook).Question may I have a European population base for my North African homelands?

Question may I have a European population base for my North African homelands?

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of there having been some major exodus from Europe to North Africa prior to the start of the game, perhaps you could even have European ruler, but I think you should still have an African majority. Maybe your colonies could have been financed with European money brought by the immigrants and, thus being the case, your colonies are mostly populated by Europeans. We're trying to keep ethnicities realistic.

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of there having been some major exodus from Europe to North Africa prior to the start of the game, perhaps you could even have European ruler, but I think you should still have an African majority. Maybe your colonies could have been financed with European money brought by the immigrants and, thus being the case, your colonies are mostly populated by Europeans. We're trying to keep ethnicities realistic.Alright, I will go with the nativer Berber majority in my homelands, except my colonies shall a European majority. One question what is the religious demographic critera?

Okay, I managed to get into our old thread for like six seconds and I copied our old rules out of there. Yes the long fabled rules do exist and have been recovered. I had to fight Aztec warriors, answer three riddles presented by an aged monk living high in mountains of Tibet, and find the other half of the golden amuelet, but I got um. This is old news for our original players who were around for the good old days... of three weeks ago. For the new players this is fresh news. Scand, this is primarily for you since you're our newest player. Here they are:

Hello, I am planning on making a new world. It will be a loose combination of Scand's 1650 world map and C-B's 1820s Europe. Mine will take place in 1860 on a world map. The industrial revolution is just beginning to kick in. Railways and canals are being constructed. Industry is thriving. And colonies are being built wherever there is space. Every nation must have land in Europe, Asia, or Africa (above the equator) this is your homeland. Technologically, these continents are exactly where they should be in 1860. If you chose to build in Europe, you’re ahead of the game industrially. Southern Africa, Australia, the Americas, and the Pacific are going to be about as advanced and untouched as they were in 1492. So these areas are pretty primitive.

So now to the rules: Economies will be based off of your net IP, or industrial potential. Each province/area has an IP. It is based on regional industry, population, resources, access to coal or a river, and if there is a canal or railroad in the area. Your net IP is the sum of all of your provincial ones. A high IP is somewhere between 350 to 450. An average one is about 250 or 300 . Anything below 200 is a depression. In a depression you cannot build new troops, canals, colonies, or railroads. You can only afford to sustain you nation as it is. If your economy falls below 90, you're bankrupt. Troops start disbanding. Railroads are shut down and loose metal is sold for scrap, and industry suffers. Also, your population will slowly decrease. Finally if it goes below 30, you're out. You have failed to create a strong nation. I decide the IPs since there is currently no mathematical way of doing it. I'll give you yours once your factbook is completed.

I can’t come up with any effective way to price railroads and canals because they come in varying sizes. Right now it’ll just go by my own opinion. Canals are more expensive and they are only allowed to be so long. They also take much longer to construct. Railroads are effective at moving troops faster. They both improve regional IP.

If you’re IP is above 90 there is no charge for establishing colonies. But if it does fall below this number you can no longer afford to send out expeditions.

Populations will be as realistic as they can be for 1860. We will use populstat.com. Besides this there will be no real life leaders, nations, or borders. Real world religions and ethnicities do apply though. Occasionally I will pop in with events (see Event Thread). An event is something monumental that happened in history. They won’t necessarily occur in the same place or at the same time as they did in real life (i.e. flight accomplished in 1894 Germany). Each day will be about two or three months. I originally hoped to end the game around 1920-1924 but I've been told people might be interested in going until present day if possible.

This where I get stingy. Every nation MUST have a complete factbook before they can start RP. I’m sick of worlds where only a quarter of the players have factbooks and the rest just make up info as the situation fits. Also, I would like to see people checking on their nations at least once a day, but I know this a lot to expect. So once every other day should be fine as long as people are really contributing to the RP. Unless people have notified us that they’re going to be unavailable for a bit, nations will be wiped off the map. I’m so sick of worlds dying because people only want to participate up until they have to actually RP or make a factbook.

NEW RULES:

Your factbook must have a percentage breakdown of your empire's religion.

Your factbook must note whether slavery is legal or not. If so, where? And does your nation trade slaves?

If your nation is a republic, constitutional monarchy, or parliamentary monarchy, you must have a percentage breakdown of political parties in your empire.

Once you finish your factbook you will automatically recieve one railroad which will build instantly but will not increase IP. It can be as long as France's modern, real-life borders are wide, from the Bay of Biscay to the German border.

Alright, I will go with the nativer Berber majority in my homelands, except my colonies shall a European majority. One question what is the religious demographic critera?

We use real world religions, make a percentage breakdown of religion in your empire in your factbook.

We use real world religions, make a percentage breakdown of religion in your empire in your factbook.Sorry, I had the wrong phrase for it I should have said can I have Christanity as the majority religion in the whole of my Empire and can I have a hereditary lordship based parliament?

Sorry, I had the wrong phrase for it I should have said can I have Christanity as the majority religion in the whole of my Empire and can I have a hereditary lordship based parliament?

Yes and yes. We're stricter about race than we are about religion. And government can be whatever you like. Mine is very similar in fact.

Hey all,

I'm considering making yearly Issues. These issues will always effect more than one country, usually all of them. They work like hot button issues do in real life, one year it could be slavery, another could be the creation of an international governing body. Using the first example, this is how it might go, I would bring up slavery and nations would decide whether to abolish it or not. If you chose to keep it, your IP would stay up in slave trading/using provinces but an event might come in the nearby future that hurts slave owners such as a slave revolt. Just as easily this event might not come for years or the revolt might take place in only one or two countries.

Is everyone game?

Well, if you can actually find enough issues for each year, then go ahead.

And... what the hell is actually wrong with the old thread?

Is there any spots open in this rp?

Well, if you can actually find enough issues for each year, then go ahead.

And... what the hell is actually wrong with the old thread?

It mysteriously closed and we had to relocate.

Is there any spots open in this rp?

Take a look at the map on the first page of this thread. Look at all the land in bright green. That's what's available.

sorry man. i am the only guy (i think) who didn't acquired a colony since start of game.

however, if you could compensenate me in colonies in other place.. keep talking.

I don't want a war with you, so you can take Burma (big country, so it won't happen that quickly, but still) if you desire and I'll have no problems with your presence. If you take Vietnam though, it will be a problem for me, and will see war between possibly me the British and you. Or just take somewhere else, for the sake of peace in Europe man! :p

I am going to sort some stuff out in my nation once and for all!:p



TOOPAXIA!

TOOPAXIA!

TOOPAXIA!

CAN I GET A ******* RAILWAY IN YOUR NATION OR NOT?!

CAN I RP THE RESULTS OF MY LANDING IN AUSSI?

AND OTHER STUFF THAT I CAN"T THINK OF BUT WILL COME BACK TO ME!!!!!!!

CAN I RP THE RESULTS OF MY LANDING IN AUSSI?

NO YOU CAN'T!!! Sorry Mussleburgh, but you need a colony in between your closest (Morrocco) and Australia as a supply line. Probably somewhere in the South Atlantic or Indian Ocean.

I don't want a war with you, so you can take Burma (big country, so it won't happen that quickly, but still) if you desire and I'll have no problems with your presence. If you take Vietnam though, it will be a problem for me, and will see war between possibly me the British and you. Or just take somewhere else, for the sake of peace in Europe man! :p

Fine, agreed then. i shall take Burma, and maybe some small port of China.

Antigonal if I set up a thread for it could we have a conferee from nation to nation? About making your port in SA a free one?

I am going to sort some stuff out in my nation once and for all!:p



TOOPAXIA!

TOOPAXIA!

TOOPAXIA!

CAN I GET A ******* RAILWAY IN YOUR NATION OR NOT?!

CAN I RP THE RESULTS OF MY LANDING IN AUSSI?

AND OTHER STUFF THAT I CAN"T THINK OF BUT WILL COME BACK TO ME!!!!!!!

First off, ToopOxia, that's an O, not an A, second, I already said yes...

(OOC: Sorry dude, I was at a party all last night and hungover all this morning, yeah, a Train sounds like an awesome plan, though for the second leg of the journey, Moscow to the Black Sea, I'd like to have my guys help in funding, just so it's smoother, also, if you go from Moscow to Rostov, cos then all the Train Lines will be connected (Anti hasn't yet verified my Rostov-Astrakhan line) One last thing, this is Toopoxia, just my puppet )

Antigonal if I set up a thread for it could we have a conferee from nation to nation? About making your port in SA a free one?

Everyone wants to share my ports all of a sudden...

I'll let you use Cape Town as a midway between Morrocco and Australia, if you relinquish all claims you have over Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire. Deal?

Antigonal: Fine no interfering in Aussie or West Canada.Deal?

Toops:REALLY SORRY! Didn't see that lol and thats fine with me. How would you feel about a new pact? Maybe called the Eastern Pact? Not as a counter acter to the continental alliance but we smaller nations need to stick up for each other. Lol. :p

Antigonal: Fine no interfering in Aussie or West Canada.Deal?

Now Australia is a big continent Mussle... :p. I won't interfer in your sunburnt neck of the Australian woods but I can't promise somewhere down the line there won't be a need for me to set up shop somewhere on that continent.

West Canada is deal (except for the colony I already have in Nova Scotia of course).

Agreed?

Toops:REALLY SORRY! Didn't see that lol and thats fine with me. How would you feel about a new pact? Maybe called the Eastern Pact? Not as a counter acter to the continental alliance but we smaller nations need to stick up for each other. Lol. :p

Is okles dude, so this Eastern Pact, would it be strictly a trade alliance or some sort of Military Alliance? I'd like to recomend Michyo for membership, he's important on the East of Europe and he controls the Crimea.

Can I take the Albanian Coast yet?

Now Australia is a big continent Mussle... . I won't interfer in your sunburnt neck of the Australian woods but I can't promise somewhere down the line there won't be a need for me to set up shop somewhere on that continent.

If you HAVE to invade Aussie you can have Victoria,Tasmania and New Zealand.

Is okles dude, so this Eastern Pact, would it be strictly a trade alliance or some sort of Military Alliance? I'd like to recomend Michyo for membership, he's important on the East of Europe and he controls the Crimea.

It would be a trade and military alliance. If you owned part of Scandinavia or the USSR then you could join. Basically it would be the Co Op of alliances.The more you put in the more you put out. Every nation would get free trade with other nations in the alliance plus in times of need an army/aid would be sent to the country that needed it. Me and you would be the main people in it probably.What do you think bad idea?

Can I take the Albanian Coast yet?

Dude, Albania is one of my home provinces. I'm not giving you the whole coast.

You can have a few wharfs in the provincial capital.

It would be a trade and military alliance. If you owned part of Scandinavia or the USSR then you could join. Basically it would be the Co Op of alliances.The more you put in the more you put out. Every nation would get free trade with other nations in the alliance plus in times of need an army/aid would be sent to the country that needed it. Me and you would be the main people in it probably.What do you think bad idea?

I only have one minor issue, I'm not a fan of Free Trade, if you replaced it with a Reduced Tariff between member nations then yeah, it's a great idea.

Have updated the thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13025481#post13025481

I only have one minor issue, I'm not a fan of Free Trade, if you replaced it with a Reduced Tariff between member nations then yeah, it's a great idea.

Fine with me can u set up a thread for it?:p

Dude, Albania is one of my home provinces. I'm not giving you the whole coast.

You can have a few wharfs in the provincial capital.

Can I have a port at least?

You can have temporary control of a port for the duration of whatever you're doing in the Balkans, but I am not going to give a damn town. After the fighting's done, I'll give you dedicated Alversian-only wharfs in Vlorë, the provincial capital.

You can have temporary control of a port for the duration of whatever you're doing in the Balkans, but I am not going to give a damn town. After the fighting's done, I'll give you dedicated Alversian-only wharfs in Vlorë, the provincial capital.

It'll have to do I suppose, don't expect an Army to come to your assistance or anything though

Hey, if you take stuff, you can have it. Talk with Anti about the possiblity of partitioning Montenegro.

Fine with me can u set up a thread for it?:p

Yeah sure, I'll log out and back into Toopoxia in sec.

Take a look at the map on the first page of this thread. Look at all the land in bright green. That's what's available.

Can't I just start my own country. Honestly I did not like taking over other people's countries. They have a different style, than the one I conduct with.

You wouldn't be required to slip into an existing nation. You can claim any land in Europe or the North African coast, but personally I'd go with either the Austrian Empire area, which is that green area, or Egypt and therabouts.

I think Anti's just trying to avoid another map update :D

I rather be in the middle of the rl USA.

Well, you'll have to rethink that.

You can claim any land in Europe or the North African coast, or anything above the equator in Asia. These are terms that we all had to abide by in selecting our nations.

Like I say, just treat the light green as grey. The Austrian Empire's a good area.

That's what I'm suggesting. Treat it as grey, as unclaimed. Ignore the green.

Oh, god-damned freaking time-warp. That's like the fifth one in two days.

EDIT: And now THIS warped...

Well, you'll have to rethink that.

You can claim any land in Europe or the North African coast, or anything above the equator in Asia. These are terms that we all had to abide by in selecting our nations.

Like I say, just treat the light green as grey. The Austrian Empire's a good area.

Yeah but the original claim is just horrible. I mean they have stuff all over the place, but they just claimed idiotic areas. I would be willing to take it over, but if I could get rid of some of the territory. I mean I would like to keep most of it, but could I just redo the Austrian Empire over?

I post again due to time-warps.

The answer to your query is; Yes.

EDIT: Be aware that the non-Austrian Balkan areas are going to be subject to having their ass kicked by several big nations in the near future. You may be able to join in if you get jiggy with it fast enough.

I am thinking that I would have about 9.5-11 million in terms of population of North Africa and some 4.2-6.5 million in my American colonies, does this sound good to you Antigonal?

Use populstat, and also go hunting through wiki for ethnic % thingies. You need some precision.

http://www.populstat.info/populhome.html

Okay then I would like the landmasses of Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Northern half of Egypt (including the Sinai Pennisula), Dominican Republic, and Malta. Is that good enough?

We'll let Antigonal be the judge from here.

As long as you claim the European areas of light green, I don't care what you take for colonies. That being said, Eygpt is a lot to claim, if you look at the starting colonies other European countries claimed, they are usually just the coastal regions of lowly populated regions with fairly peaceful inhabitants. To take the whole of an established country is a bit much. Even just the coast of Eygpt is a whole lot to get as a starting, RPless claim. In it's place you could take several more colonies worldwide.

I finally got a new PC. The internet company sent someone who didn't know anything about computers and screwed up our computer.

I am thinking that I would have about 9.5-11 million in terms of population of North Africa and some 4.2-6.5 million in my American colonies, does this sound good to you Antigonal?

I dunno about your homeland but that seems like way too much for your American colonies. We're playing the game as if all of the world excluding Europe, Africa, and Asia above the equator was as it was in 1492, virtually untouched by Europeans. It would be as if these areas had been discovered a decade or two ago. So basically your colonies are made up of a couple of second generation, somewhat established colonists and the native population.