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Hello, I am planning on making a new world. It will be a loose combination of Scand's 1650 world map and C-B's 1820s Europe. Mine will take place in 1860 on a world map. The industrial revolution is just beginning to kick in. Railways and canals are being constructed. Industry is thriving. And colonies are being built wherever there is space. Every nation must have land in Europe, Asia, or Africa (above the equator) this is your homeland. Technologically, these continents are exactly where they should be in 1860. If you chose to build in Europe, you’re ahead of the game industrially. Southern Africa, Australia, the Americas, and the Pacific are going to be about as advanced and untouched as they were in 1492. So these areas are pretty primitive.

So now to the rules: Economies will be based off of your net IP, or industrial potential. Each province/area has an IP. It is based on regional population, resources (luxary items, raw materials, slaves, ect.), access to coal or a river, and if there is a canal or railroad in the area. Industry thrives on these things Your net IP is the sum of all of your provincial ones. A high IP is somewhere around 400 or 500. An average one is about 250 or 300. Anything below 200 is a depression. In a depression you cannot build new troops, canals, colonies, or railroads. You can only afford to sustain you nation as it is. If your economy falls below 100, you're bankrupt. Troops start disbanding. Railroads are shut down and loose metal is sold for scrap, and industry suffers. Also, your population will slowly decrease. Finally if it goes below 25, you're out. You have failed to create a strong nation. IP can go up (if you built canals/railroads in the area, conquer regional competition, ect.) and it can go down (excessive warfare in the region can take it down).

I can’t come up with any effective way to price railroads and canals because they come in varying sizes. Right now it’ll just go by my opinion. But I would like to come up with a more concrete, mathematical way of doing it. I’m open to suggestions.

If you’re IP is above 200 there is no charge for establishing colonies. But if it does fall below this number you can no longer afford to send out expeditions.

As for railroads and canals, their purpose is to transport troops and ships faster. Canals are more expensive and they can only be so long. They also take much longer to construct. Railroads are effective at moving troops faster. They both improve regional IP.

Populations will be as realistic as they can be for 1860. Besides this there will be no real life leaders, nations, borders. Real world religions and ethnicities do apply though. Occasionally, and I may change this, I will pop in with events. An event is something monumental that happened in history. They won’t necessarily occur in the same place or at the same time as they did in real life (i.e. flight accomplished in 1894 Germany). Each day will be about a month, maybe a bit more and I hope to end the game around 1920.

This where I get stingy. Every nation must have a complete factbook before they can start. I’m sick of worlds where only a quarter of the players have factbooks and the rest just make up info as the situation fits. Also, I would like to see people checking on their nations at least once a day, but I know this a lot to expect. So once every other day should be fine as long as people are really contributing to the RP. Unless people have notified us that they’re going to be unavailable for a bit, nations will be wiped off the map if people just leave for like a week and a half at a time. I’m so sick of worlds dying because people only want to participate up until they have to actually RP or make a factbook.

NEW RULE: To keep it realistic your army can only account for 1% or 2% of your total population. Reserves can be between 3% and 5%. If you make military service compulsory you can make that percentage 7% or 8%. You cannot make military service compulsory if your IP is below 200 and even if it's above that, it is a tremendous drain on your economy. Also, we won't be doing garrisons.

Here's the game map (my territory is in red) and feel free to start claiming land. One of the following two links should do it. If not, notify me.

http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd207/Antigonal/?action=view&current=untitled-5.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd207/Antigonal/untitled-5.jpg

Red = Antigonal *
Yellow = Ghassan *
Brown = Kansiov
Orange = Candistan *
Light Green = Croatia-Bosnia *
Purple = Honako /
Gold = New Brittonia *
Pine Green = Alversia *
Dark Blue = Bredford
Pink = Lachenburg
Gray = Dontgonearthere *
Light Yellow = Carloginias *
Hot Pink = Kronstadtia

* Nations with Completed Factbooks
/ Nations with Factooks in Progress

Antigonal's Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12978612#post12978612

Ghassan's Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536072

Dontgonearthere's Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12978680&posted=1#post12978680

Carloginias's Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536131

Alversia's Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530840

Candistan's Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12983439#post12983439

New Brittonia's Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536147

Croatia-Bosnia's Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12986120&posted=1#post12986120

In your factbooks, please include whether or not slavery is legal in your nation. Provinces where slaves are captured and sold (Arabian, Turkish, and African provinces, none others) have increased IPs and having a slave population in your provinces that don't actually trade the slaves also helps your IP. If slavery is legal, canals and railroads build much faster. Later on I will do some events involving civil rights movements and slave rebellions in nations where slavery is still legal.

ALSO: In your factbook, do a brief breakdown of religions in your empire, show which is the majority and whatnot. You can look at mine for an example if you want.

Just a reminder, no factbook by Thursday, no game for you. We're starting with or without you on Thursday and if you don't have a factbook by then, we're gonna divide up your territory move on.

Events Thread (please check regularly): http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12986648#post12986648

Railroads & Canals Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12986620#post12986620

Japanese Colonization of California: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12986646#post12986646

Intrested Instantly! :)

And i am going to claim Russia.

Ottomans Please...

Antigonal what i suggest is that these Industrial points you need raw materials to run them. These come from places outside Europe, so Asia and the other contients can stand a chance against Europe, or force Europeans to do some conquering... :)

Well IP is based on several things. While Europe is more industrialized, the Far East has a lot of luxary resources, silk, spices, ect. They also have high populations. So it should balance out. But I'd be willing to accept your idea if you could flesh it out a bit more.

Intrested Instantly! :)

And i am going to claim Russia.

All of Russia? Look at the size of the land I claimed. I'd accept going bigger than that... by a bit. But claiming the largest nation on earth is a bit of a stretch. Try claiming western Russia and use the rest of your space to claim some colonies.

yes... :)

If at all possible, I'd like to claim Portugal as my home nation.

Besides this, I'd like these as colonies: Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, and what is now French Guiana.

My factbook will be up in a day or two.

Ottomans Please...

More specific please, and I thought you said you didn't do world maps anymore in C-B's 19th century thread.

Does anyone know what the equivalent of Paint is on a Mac? I'm trying to update the map but I'm on my new Mac.

yes... :)

Sorry, take a look at the map and look at my empire (which I'm starting to think I made to small based on the claims you lot are making). It isn't very large in land size but I do have a lot of colonies. You can either go sort of large and have a continous land empire, or have a lot of small colonies worldwide. I'd say the biggest I'd be willing to give you it Russia and part of the Ukraine as far as the Urals. Oh and no Kola peninsula.

More specific please, and I thought you said you didn't do world maps anymore in C-B's 19th century thread.

Heh, well here you go.
http://staff.harrisonburg.k12.va.us/~cwalton/World%20Two/ottomanmap.jpg

the problem is your map can't be seen...

Heh, well here you go.
http://staff.harrisonburg.k12.va.us/~cwalton/World%20Two/ottomanmap.jpg

Sorry buddy, way too much. I'll give you Greece, Thrace, Syria, Turkey, Palestine, and Eygpt. That's it. Sound good?

Sorry, take a look at the map and look at my empire (which I'm starting to think I made to small based on the claims you lot are making). It isn't very large in land size but I do have a lot of colonies. You can either go sort of large and have a continous land empire, or have a lot of small colonies worldwide. I'd say the biggest I'd be willing to give you it Russia and part of the Ukraine as far as the Urals. Oh and no Kola peninsula.

Im fine with that, as long i have Cacucasus MTs, Ukraine, Bealrus, Urals, Baltic States and Russia...

the problem is your map can't be seen...

Why can't my map be seen?

Could you just upload it again? You could have given the wrong link...

Sorry buddy, way too much. I'll give you Greece, Thrace, Syria, Turkey, Palestine, and Eygpt. That's it. Sound good?

That's fine.

Im fine with that, as long i have Cacucasus MTs, Ukraine, Bealrus, Urals, Baltic States and Russia...

Alright if we're gonna play this big, I'm taking Belgium, Southern Italy, and Sardinia too. I'll give you up to the Urals, no Belarus, and part of the Cacucasuses. That is a massive emipire, I want some room in the Old World for more people to come. This isn't negotiable.

Could you just upload it again? You could have given the wrong link...

It's working for me, but sure. Here: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledzb0.png

Better?

Alright if we're gonna play this big, I'm taking Belgium, Southern Italy, and Sardinia too. I'll give you up to the Urals, no Belarus, and part of the Cacucasuses. That is a massive emipire, I want some room in the Old World for more people to come. This isn't negotiable.

Fine with me.

Kansiov, can you see the map now? (Check the link I posted above on this page, not the intro)

Nope. The link you give us should be under "Direct link to image"

And where would I find that option?

After you have uploaded, scroll down, till you find "Direct link to image" Then Copy and paste that URL here, then we woulds be able to see it...

Okay, sorry for being such a burden, I'm going to that little question mark thing that says attachments, I attach the picture... and then nothing happens.

Anti, do u have MSN? If yes add me.

lesterwarren93@yahoo.com.sg

You can send me the map i upload it for you.

Lemme just email it to you from my yahoo account. Sound good? I don't have MSN.

fien with me... i help u update the map as well.

K, I sent it. Thanks a lot. You don't need to help edit the map though, I got it. Once you put it into the thread, will I be able to copy it into that main intro?

Hey Anti.

I'll take Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Victoria Island, Qatar, and Yemen.

If possible also Oman.


Sounds good?

Hey Anti.

I'll take Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Victoria Island, Qatar, and Yemen.

If possible also Oman.


Sounds good?

Sounds fine. I'll add you.

Anti... i didnt recieve it...

Godamnit. Let me try again. But before I do, where is Victoria Island?

I gave you Oman C-B but I couldn't give you Qatar, it's already taken... by me. Sorry. Do you want some more land? Your empire is kinda small compared to the rest of ours. Same goes for you Ghassan.

Its an Island off Eastern Canada, near the US border http://www.linearcollider.ca/victoria04/island.gif

Its an Island off Eastern Canada, near the US border http://www.linearcollider.ca/victoria04/island.gif

I always just called that Vancouver Island. Oh well. Here I'll send it again.

Nope never recieve, remember to add the .sg...

its
lesterwarren93@yahoo.com.sg

Ok, sent it.

Ghassan I gave you the Dutch Antilles, two very lucrative islands, if you want more territory just me know though. You and B-C have a lot less land than everyone else.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6189/untitledmb4.png

OK.

Then can I also have Taiwan, Austria, Hainan, Crete, and the Baelrics?

Fine by me. Kansiov you gotta teach me how to upload the map so I don't have to keep relying on you for it. C-B, next time I update the map, probably tonight or tomorrow, I'll give you that stuff.

Fine by me. C-B, next time I update the map, probably tonight or tomorrow, I'll give you that stuff.

Ok. Thanks.

copycat!!! i already made an 1860 RP!!!

lol...

Mind if I join?

Sure Brittonia. What land do you want?

EDIT: By the way all, I'll start giving out IPs once the first factbooks start going up.

copycat!!! i already made an 1860 RP!!!

Sorry, never heard of yours.

Sure Brittonia. What land do you want?

EDIT: By the way all, I'll start giving out IPs once the first factbooks start going up.

Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Somalia

IP?

Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Somalia

IP?

Read the intro I wrote. The way money is handled in this game is different than the way it is in other RPs.

He meant what would be the Industrial points of his nation. By the way my factbook is up, far from completing it cause i need to go now.

Attach a link before you go.

Sorry, never heard of yours.

look it up

look it up

I'm not trying to be rude or start a competition here. I believe you had an 1860 RP before me. Strange coincidence. Originally mine was going to be set in 1850 but I thought a decade later would be better because the world would be deeper into the industrial revolution. I haven't seen yours yet but I can assume our rules are probably different.

There are several mistakes on the map right now I need to fix. My colony in Africa goes WAY too far inland. Many countries haven't been added yet. And I'm debating whether it's fair that colonies like Hawaii and Victoria Island are allowed to exist so far away from their homes and supply lines. Also, because of my shaking hand, I missed Panama and took Costa Rica instead. Likewise I accidently took Jamaica instead of Cuba. Some countries are gigantic while others only control one or two territories. I also can't quite figure out the uploading part but I'm working on it.

My claims.
Its a bit sloppy, but since 'Japan and a bit of China' would be hard to express in text, heres my claim.
If its too much Im willing to trim off some bits, of course.

EDIT:
Its always good to attach the file in question before hitting 'post' >_>

My claims.
Its a bit sloppy, but since 'Japan and a bit of China' would be hard to express in text, heres my claim.
If its too much Im willing to trim off some bits, of course.

EDIT:
Its always good to attach the file in question before hitting 'post' >_>

That's fine with me, just a few things. Move your overall Chinese border a bit closer to the coast, and you can't have any territory north of Korea or south of Taiwan. Sorry but these are very highly populated regions with a lot of valuable resources. Also, could you repost this map except make your nation a different color, preferably gray. Yellow is already taken.

Gotcha.
Is it alright if I keep Hokkaido and Sakhalin though? Japan looks kinda silly without Hokkaido and nobody lives on Sakhalin anyway :P

Oh yeah, sorry. I forgot to mention those were fine. You can post again if you want and take some small low population colonies if you want. Maybe some Pacific islands.

Hows this?
Japanese Oregon has a nice ring to it ;)

Haha, it does. But Japanese Phillipines doesn't. You can keep Oregon but no Phillipines. Sorry. Take that off, repost it, and you're ready to get goin. The Phillipines are a really populated region and as it is I think you're tied (if not leading) for largest pop.

kk :D
Give me a few minutes and I'll add up my population. There are (apparently) no records of the population of China between 1850 and 1870 (lol giant revolution), but Im basing my pop on slightly increased 1850 figures for the Chinese provinces. Its hard to believe some of these figures. Apparently the population of Jiansu went from over 40,000,000 to about 23,000,000 as a result of the Taiping business.

EDIT:
Rough calculation puts me at 220.26 million

Well when looking for population stats make sure to account for the fact you don't own all of China (but you do own the more populous regions).

Yeah, I counted population by province.
Heres my list, I approximated a number of them because, as I said, theyre slightly increased 1850's populations:

Population
30,000,000 Japan
14,000,000 Korea
760,000, Liandong China
2,500,000 Heibei China
10,000,000 Beijing
2,000,000 Tianjin
13,000,000 Shangdong China
45,000,000 Jiansu China
7,000,000 Shanghai
3,800,000 Zhejiang
2,200,000 Fujian
24,000,000 Jiangxi
38,000,000 Anhui
28,000,000 Taiwan

Total 220,260,000

That sounds about right. Now just come up with a rough estimate about how many Native Americans there are in your colony and how many settlers you have there (keep it reasonable).

EDIT: The site you used, did have figures for France and other countries? I need to find Ireland, southern Italy, Belgium, and some other places.

I gave the population of Sakhalin as 6,000, plus 67,000 in Japanese Oregon. I'd say there'd be maybe a a hundred thousand natives total in the area, mostly still independant.

I just used Populstat :P

I gave the population of Sakhalin as 6,000, plus 67,000 in Japanese Oregon. I'd say there'd be maybe a a hundred thousand natives total in the area, mostly still independant.

I just used Populstat :P

Maybe fewer colonists, the amount of natives sound about right.

EDIT: How many zeros do you add to the figures you get on populstat?

67,000 would be the total number of people 'under my control', including natives.
Two zeros.

Since you are offering me more territory, mind if I steal a couple of those western African countries like Senegal and that area? I don't really care which ones, you can deal me however many you think would be adequate.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12978680&posted=1#post12978680
Factbook

Its just the basics right now, once this Earth kicks off I'll add more stuff.

if possible, i will take Spain Brazil Florida and Indonesia. i would prefer also getting Marocco and some small port in South Africa, but only if i can.

Not official E1860 personel, but considering Brazil is about the size of the Russian claim, I dont think that will be accepted, especially with a claim of Indonesia as well.

Also, a suggestion for the administration:
Standardize some sort of 'tag' for RPs related to this world, I personally prefer E(date) because that doesnt get mixed up with much else. So, this Earth would be (as I refered to it above) E1860.
The basic idea is that you can search that particular term and come up with all the threads related to this Earth in a simple fashion without having to dig around.
And all people have to do is add it to their thread titles.

Oh good, there are places open for where my real nation is located on the world map. If I may, I'm interested in present day Germany and Denmark, and as much of Poland as your willing to give me (Western Poland). If I have to give up parts, I'd lose Africa and keep Poland. If Florida goes to the guy with the massive claim, give me a chunk of the big cotton growing regions. Thanks, if I'm accepted.

I've put my claims in purple on a clear map here (http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5167/claimsfore1860pi1.png). :)

Oh good, there are places open for where my real nation is located on the world map. If I may, I'm interested in present day Germany and Denmark, and as much of Poland as your willing to give me (Western Poland). If I have to give up parts, I'd lose Africa and keep Poland. If Florida goes to the guy with the massive claim, give me a chunk of the big cotton growing regions. Thanks, if I'm accepted.

I've put my claims in purple on a clear map here (http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5167/claimsfore1860pi1.png). :)

don't you see i already claimed Florida?

(and BTW, i don't have to receive all Brazil, just parts of the coast. same about Indonesia. i would prefer getting only Sumatra and Borneu.)

Can I claim the UK, Northern Ireland and Norway for my homeland?
Can I also claim Mexico, Zimbabwe, Borneo, Peru, Morocco,South Korea and Southern India please?

Since you are offering me more territory, mind if I steal a couple of those western African countries like Senegal and that area? I don't really care which ones, you can deal me however many you think would be adequate.

Sounds fine.

Can I claim the UK, Northern Ireland and Norway for my homeland?
Can I also claim Mexico, Zimbabwe, Borneo, Peru, Morocco,South Korea and Southern India please?

South Korea is already taken (sorry map needs updating). I'll give you all of your homeland demands and Zibabwe, Borneo, coastal Perua, no Morocco. You can choose between having about 70% of Mexico or the very southern tip of India (sorry India has a very large pop.).

Sorry I've already got Panama and you African colony goes too far inland, I'll fix that. I'm still not sure if I'm going to give Florida away but I'll give you Louisiana and Alabama.

As it seems ES died and WWE never quite got off the ground, I presume I shall invest a portion of my time in this little venture (lest it fail like the others). If you would so kindly place me down for Sweden, Finland and Karelia (including the Kola Peninsula) that'd be great. As for colonial claims, perhaps a portion of New York State and/or Pennsylvania would be suitable (depending upon the extent to which I am able to claim).

Thank you.

As it seems ES died and WWE never quite got off the ground, I presume I shall invest a portion of my time in this little venture (lest it fail like the others). If you would so kindly place me down for Sweden, Finland and Karelia (including the Kola Peninsula) that'd be great. As for colonial claims, perhaps a portion of New York State and/or Pennsylvania would be suitable (depending upon the extent to which I am able to claim).

Thank you.

I gave you all that, plus Mass., Conneticut, Rhode Island, Iceland, and the Azores Islands. If you want a bit more (and believe me you will) you could still have some more land. Your pop. isnt very large and you don't have too much territory, try for a Argentina or somewhere in the East Indies (of course to get there you'll need a rest stop colony in between).

C-B, I gave you all of your demands except Taiwan which I already gave away. I gave you some ports on the Adriatic though, you can't run an overseas empire without ships. Here's some bad news though, I decided Victoria Island is too far away from supply lines to be your colony, I'm debating the same thing about my Hawaii right now. Pick somewhere else closer to home. I'll give you priority.

EDIT: Oh I also gave you Sri Lanka (or do you not want that?). It's got a lot of good resources and a big pop.

I gave you all that, plus Mass., Conneticut, Rhode Island, Iceland, and the Azores Islands. If you want a bit more (and believe me you will) you could still have some more land. Your pop. isnt very large and you don't have too much territory, try for a Argentina or somewhere in the East Indies (of course to get there you'll need a rest stop colony in between).

Excellent. In that case, I shall take a portion of Argentina and a couple of islands in the Caribbean (Virgin Islands, Barbados, and Haiti, perhaps?) in addition to the claims listed above.

Done. Okay the map is all updated... but I'm in a rush and I can't post it right now. I'll be back later to post it online. So far everyone who has asked me for some land, has gotten it in one form or another.

Sorry I've already got Panama and you African colony goes too far inland, I'll fix that. I'm still not sure if I'm going to give Florida away but I'll give you Louisiana and Alabama.

I didn't realise you'd taken Panama (the map shows you took somewhere else, but now I understand that was a mistake...) may I take a strip of land on the other side of the canal then in Colombia. Other than that it's cool, though I'd prefer it if there was some coastal land connecting the two states.

Oh, and I'm a tad unsure what you mean by my claim going to inland. It goes no further than other claims in that area.

My claims are not there?

Is my factbook acceptable for a start?

Also, after the 23rd I wont be on a lot Tuesdays and Thursdays, but I'll be able to check in occasionally between classes if I dont have a lot of work.

EDIT:
If you give up Hawaii I'd like to snag it. I need SOMETHING between Oregon and Japan :P

I need some help with determining my country's populations, since I have never really done one of these before.

My countries include-

Portugal
Venezuela
Suriname
Guyana
French Guiana

And some African countries that are undisclosed until the map has been updated.

Can anyone give me some advice on these?

http://www.populstat.info/Europe/portugac.htm
http://www.populstat.info/Americas/venezuec.htm
http://www.populstat.info/Americas/surinamc.htm
http://www.populstat.info/Americas/guyanac.htm
http://www.populstat.info/Americas/frguianc.htm

I didn't realise you'd taken Panama (the map shows you took somewhere else, but now I understand that was a mistake...) may I take a strip of land on the other side of the canal then in Colombia. Other than that it's cool, though I'd prefer it if there was some coastal land connecting the two states.

Oh, and I'm a tad unsure what you mean by my claim going to inland. It goes no further than other claims in that area.

Okay, some of Columbia is fine. Yeah I know, my colony in Benin did go really far inland but I fixed it.

Okay, I'm gonna let 2 or 3 more people in before I close it off. I would really like someone to take Persia and that whole area. And there's still some space in Europe and North Africa.

Is my factbook acceptable for a start?

Also, after the 23rd I wont be on a lot Tuesdays and Thursdays, but I'll be able to check in occasionally between classes if I dont have a lot of work.

EDIT:
If you give up Hawaii I'd like to snag it. I need SOMETHING between Oregon and Japan :P


Yeah I gave you Hawaii, it wasn't fair that I had such a remote colony. I also gave up the Falklands (but for different reasons). Instead I'm just gonna grab a bit of land in Uruguay.

Thanks Dont. But, how many zeroes do I add?

Thanks Dont. But, how many zeroes do I add?

Add two zeroes.

Okay, I put up a new map, lots of changes, you can find it in my intro to this thread. Please notify me if niether of the links work.

Also, Honaka (or whoever is playing Germany), you have less territory than a lot of other countries. You can either have East Prussia, Puerto Rico, and half of Newfoundland as a package. Or just Holland, which has a big pop.

Ethiopia, Portugal, (sorry, can't remember your names) and a couple other countries have a lot less land, a much smaller pop. than some of us. Notify me if you think you've been under cut.

Yeah I gave you Hawaii, it wasn't fair that I had such a remote colony. I also gave up the Falklands (but for different reasons). Instead I'm just gonna grab a bit of land in Uruguay.

Huzzah! Another 100,000 souls for the Japanese Empire! ;)
Oh, and naval bases >_>

100,000 people in Hawaii? Comon'. More like 30,000 to 20,000, including natives and colonists.

EDIT: And when I said I gave up the Falklands, I didn't mean I gave them to you too.

Populstat says its population in 1900 was 150,000, considering the rather low birth-death rate, I think 100,000 is pretty accurate >_>

Yes... but in 1860 only a few traders occasionally visited the island chain to buy sandal wood. In the 1890s Hawaii became a US territory. Plus the second half of the century saw more and more settlers moving to Hawaii for business. The population went up dramatically after it became a US territory.

Add two zeroes.

Okay, I put up a new map, lots of changes, you can find it in my intro to this thread. Please notify me if niether of the links work.

Also, Honaka (or whoever is playing Germany), you have less territory than a lot of other countries. You can either have East Prussia, Puerto Rico, and half of Newfoundland as a package. Or just Holland, which has a big pop.

Ethiopia, Portugal, (sorry, can't remember your names) and a couple other countries have a lot less land, a much smaller pop. than some of us. Notify me if you think you've been under cut.

I'll take the Netherlands, considering they are more of a power. Could I also have the Falklands and the Comoros, considering there size.

Can I get the Seychelles and Reunion?

I'll take Southern India instead of Mexico and maybe the Solomon and Marshall Islands?

How do you work out your nation's IP?

I'll take Southern India instead of Mexico and maybe the Solomon and Marshall Islands?

How do you work out your nation's IP?

I'm computing it right now. Before you guys started land grabbing, I was trying to figure out how much each region should be worth. I'll give you your IP once your factbook is done.

Portugal, I'll give you the southern part of Madascar if you want. And probably something else. Ethiopa, I gave you those islands, are you sure you don't want more? I'm not done doing the IPs yet but right now your not doin so well. You have the second least amount of land, a tiny population, not many valuable resources (but some of the tropical items are good), a fair amount of raw materials. Not so good. Same goes for you Croatia.

Also, all, I've tweaked one rule. Europe no longer has an industrial advantage. It's infair and doesn't make much sense. Now your IP depends soley on the other things I pointed out in the intro, the resources you need to become industrialized.

I'm Portugal, and if possible, can I have the area north of the western Africa country I have?

I think it would be the country north of Senegal, which is Mauritana? (sorry for spelling)

Or, you can just give me what you think is good.

Ah, but Hawaii has been a Japanese colony for a while now as well, and Japan has better access than the US.
*shrug*
I'll make it 55,000, that sound good?

Ah, but Hawaii has been a Japanese colony for a while now as well, and Japan has better access than the US.
*shrug*
I'll make it 55,000, that sound good?

Sure.

I'm Portugal, and if possible, can I have the area north of the western Africa country I have?

I think it would be the country north of Senegal, which is Mauritana? (sorry for spelling)

Or, you can just give me what you think is good.

Okay, I gave your all the coast region of the countries you asked for, the southern third of Madascar. A small bit in South Africa, some mid-Atlanic islands, Belize, Puerto Rico, and Trinidad and Tobago. You're good.

Germany, I gave you East Prussia anyway.

Russia, I gave you another Baltic state.

Awesome.
So, when do we start? :D

As soons as people start finishing factbooks, mine is almost done. I still need to do military.

Are the map links in the intro working?

EDIT: Oh by the way, in your factbooks, include whether or not slavery is legal. Slave trading provinces (the only territories where slaves can be captured and sold are Arabian, Turkish, and African provinces) increases the IP of the territories and having a slave population in your provinces that don't actually trade the slaves also helps your IP. If slavery is legal, canals and railroads build much faster. But later on I will do some events involving civil rights movements and slave rebellions.

kk.
Im updating my factbook with the correct info right now, should be a few seconds. Is it acceptable?

kk.
Im updating my factbook with the correct info right now, should be a few seconds. Is it acceptable?

Is what acceptable?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12978680&posted=1#post12978680

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12978680&posted=1#post12978680

Great! But I thought junks were gone by the 1500s? And hey! I'm not in your sphere of influence, if anything Croatia-Bosnia is closer to you, they own Hanian. Haha.

EDIT: Come up with some provincial demographics and what's your total fighting force number? Did you read the new rule? Your fighting force can only be between 1 and 2 percent of your total pop., to keep it realistic. Read the intro paragraph for more details.

Japan considers the entire Pacific its sphere of influence. You European devils should just get out while you can ;)
As for the junks, yeah, its kinda like the European navys modernizing battleships from the Napoleonic wars with steam engines and such. Junks were, despite what a lot of people seem to think, VERY effective seagoing craft, if not as heavily armed as the European sort.
I didnt see the new rule. I'll take out the voluntier bit, then. I take it thats in peacetime though, right? Armies in this period got HUGE during wartime, it was the 'thing' in Europe at this point to have a fairly small standing army and a really huge reserve. Sometimes even over %5. I would imagine Japan would not lack for voluntiers in a war at this point.
Do I really need to go through and make a list of how many people live in the different bits of Japan? Populstat's records only go back to 1892.

Japan considers the entire Pacific its sphere of influence. You European devils should just get out while you can ;)
As for the junks, yeah, its kinda like the European navys modernizing battleships from the Napoleonic wars with steam engines and such. Junks were, despite what a lot of people seem to think, VERY effective seagoing craft, if not as heavily armed as the European sort.
I didnt see the new rule. I'll take out the voluntier bit, then. I take it thats in peacetime though, right? Armies in this period got HUGE during wartime, it was the 'thing' in Europe at this point to have a fairly small standing army and a really huge reserve. Sometimes even over %5. I would imagine Japan would not lack for voluntiers in a war at this point.
Do I really need to go through and make a list of how many people live in the different bits of Japan? Populstat's records only go back to 1892.

Yeah, my standing army is 2% of my total pop. and my reserves are going to be 3 or 4%, haven't chosen yet. If I made it more it would crush my economy. I'm also having trouble configuring my navy. But it all should be done by tomorrow.

Fourtunatly I've got 190 million Chinese slaves to keep my economy going ;)
I'll gradually expand my factbook as I go, if we get into the 1870's it'll be worth adding detailed info on ships, since thats the point when pre-dreadnaughts start coming into existance. Then we can get some serious kaigun action goin'.

Can I get the Seychelles and Reunion as colonies?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536072

Can anyone tell me how this looks so far?

Looks good to me. If you get some military info up it'd be great.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536072

Updated with some military information.

Can someone tell me if my military information is somewhat accurate? And, how many ships would I have, and what kind of ships would they be?

Thanks for any help!

Nobody but specialized snipers use long rifles right now. Theyre expensive. Most soldiers are using either rifled muskets or breach-loading rifles, depending on how rich your nation is and how high a priority the military is. Some militaries issued repeaters, but these are rare and expensive. Most pistols were purchased, except with artillery and naval crews who they were issued to. It was generally thought that soldiers didnt need pistols and most officers could afford to buy them.

As to ships, right now were in something of a transitional period. We havent QUITE got to all-metal pre-dreadnaughts and such, but we're getting close. The most advanced ships in use right now would be turret-ship ironclads, which arent generally advisable for open-water usage.
The most COMMON I think are steam-powered retrofits or variations of Napoleonic era ships, Ships of the Line, frigates, etc. SOTL are becoming less popular though, because exploding shells sort of utterly destroy wooden-hulled ships, and those (the shells) are pretty much standard at this point.
There are also some odd experimental ships out there as well. Funny submarine-like and semi-submersable ships.

For Portugal, I'd say maybe 5-8 steam battleships, a dozen or so steam frigates and maybe a couple of ironclads, unless you want to focus more on your navy at the expense of your army, in which case you could double your ship numbers, but that would cut into how well you could arm your men.

what do I do, and someone answer my colonies question

Do about what?
Also, I think only Antigonal can answer your colonies question. I can only provide blatantly obvious answers :P

Okay, Antigonal, my factbook has been completed. Here is its link:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536072

If anyone else has any comments, feel free to go ahead.

Oh, I forgot to mention gunboats. They were small ships which had one really big gun and a couple of lighter guns. I'd say you could have 20 or more of them. And since youve got Brazil, your navy might have some paddle wheelers as well for river patrols.

Sadly, I do not have control of Brazil!

*cries*

Ghassan, everythings solid except two things. One, the gunboats (read above). Two... your national leader is named Phillip Rice?

Nope, we're not doing gunships... yet. Gatling guns haven't been invented yet. But rest assured an event will come up sometime in the future in which machine guns are invented.

Hm? The Brits were using them in the 1840's, hence gunboat diplomacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy)
But youre the admin. Guess I need to go remove those gunboats from my factbook >_>

so.. what with my colonies? have they been approved?

I can't remember what your claims were right now, check the map...

OHHHH, my bad. Don't change your factbook, it's totally my bad. Sorry. I thought you meant small boats with machine guns. Gunboats are cool. My bad. Sorry.

Okay, my factbook is done. Tomorrow, I start assigning IPs. Can someone see if my naval stats are decent? My factbook's on the main page with everyone elses. Also, I need a name for another one of my emperor's sons. I know a bunch of French names, but not many royal ones. Just commoner kind of names. Anybody know of a good royal French name (besides Louis)?

OHHHH, my bad. Don't change your factbook, it's totally my bad. Sorry. I thought you meant small boats with machine guns. Gunboats are cool. My bad. Sorry.

Oh, heh. Yeah, like I said, gunboats are just small-ish ships with a big gun on them at this point.

How 'bout Charles? Henrie (however its spelled in French). Or, look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_of_France)

In regards to the factbook...
Cannon crews were typically four to eight men, depending on the size of the cannon. Theyre sort of like tanks in this era, youve got loaders, aimers, commanders, and usually a couple guys who are along to defend the crew and help move the gun itself around. Bigger guns would require more than eight men, but the standard 6-18 pounders that are still common would be in that range.

Cavalry was being seriously downsized in this era as well, since the Crimean and (later on) American Civil War had shown that it was no longer useful in a direct attack role. Most 'cavalry' were either mounted infantry (who usually fought on foot) or flankers. There were exceptions, and cavalry was used in a military role right up to the early part of WWII, but this is the point where it starts to drop off. A horse is a BIG target for a man with a rifle accurate to five hundred yards, y'know?
The French DID put a little more emphasis on their cavalry though, but it was mostly for parade stuff.

Fourtunatly, I am not encumbered by such Western traditions. HORA! ;)

So the gunboats are fine, and they will remain in my navy.

And yes, my general's name is Philip Rice.

And I like his name.

Alversian Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530840)

And can I claim Angola as well?

Use the website populstat.info in order to find out your populations.

Alversia, your factbook is pretty good but take a look at some of the factbooks on the main page. Dontgonearthere, Ghassan, and I have some good ones, although mine isn't quite finished.

Antigonal, can I snag the two Congos and Angola?

Perhaps Namibia too.

Even with these four new colonies, my population would still be half of yours and like 1/20th of Japan's.

And even that seems not enough.

Perhaps parts of Mexico?

I'm just trying to make this fair for me. Will it balance out if I have a lower population? That is all I am trying to fix.

Population isnt the only consideration. Resources are important as well. True, China is pretty damn rich in resources, but what it doesnt have is means to get at those resources. Also, size is a consideration as well. I think Antigonal wants some places left over to fight for once the RP has started, y'see? And frankly, Siberia and Central Asia arent the best places to fight in, see? ;)

Antigonal, can I get the Seychelles and Reunion as colonies or not?

Okay, I'm gonna let 2 or 3 more people in before I close it off. I would really like someone to take Persia and that whole area. And there's still some space in Europe and North Africa.

I don't log in on weekends... so can I claim Persia? Or the Mughal Empire.

Antigonal, can I get the Seychelles and Reunion as colonies or not?

Yeah they're yours.

Can I claim Cameroon as my final claim instead of Angola?

I don't log in on weekends... so can I claim Persia? Or the Mughal Empire.

Of course.

Can I claim Cameroon as my final claim instead of Angola?

I'll give you the Angolan coast. You already have the Cameroon coastline and I don't want to go too far inland before the RP starts.

So.. which one? And of the two which areas am I getting?

Antigonal, can I snag the two Congos and Angola?

Perhaps Namibia too.

Even with these four new colonies, my population would still be half of yours and like 1/20th of Japan's.

And even that seems not enough.

Perhaps parts of Mexico?

I'm just trying to make this fair for me. Will it balance out if I have a lower population? That is all I am trying to fix.

Okay, population helps your IP a bit, but mainly it gives you an increased military. Resources also help your IP but a lot more. So I will give you some populace regions and some rich territories.

Would someone PLEASE tell me if the one of the two map links in the intro paragraph work?

So.. which one? And of the two which areas am I getting?

I'll give you Persia, (not including Iraq), Pakistan, and a tiny bit of Northern India, less than you got in the 1650 RP. Maybe some Afganistan.

Just tell me which ones Antigonal, so I can add them to the factbook.

So I have Angola?

Would someone PLEASE tell me if the one of the two map links in the intro paragraph work?

Both do

Would someone PLEASE tell me if the one of the two map links in the intro paragraph work?


They work.

And yes, both of them work for me.

I'll give you Persia, (not including Iraq), Pakistan, and a tiny bit of Northern India, less than you got in the 1650 RP. Maybe some Afganistan.


Hmm, alright. Anyway I can get all of Afghanistan? So I don't have to dig up my population?

Just tell me which ones Antigonal, so I can add them to the factbook.

I'm really sorry guys, I'm not on my desktop so the map isn't on this computer. I will give you all a reasonable amount of land in an hour or two. I'm sorry.

EDIT: I will give you some of Angola Alversia, not all of it.

Hmm, alright. Anyway I can get all of Afghanistan? So I don't have to dig up my population?

Sure.

Updated Alversian Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530840)

And can I claim the Solomon and Marshall Islands?

I think I already gave you the Solomon Islands. No Marshall.

That is fine.

Question Antigonal. Will we actually be roleplaying with each other? Or is this more of a strategy turn-based game?

Because if there is an actual RP thread, will we be our leaders, or can we invent interesting characters and tell their super awesome stories?

Oh, and I had an idea.

How does the end work? I mean will we just keep going and then there will be a World War and we will have to decide what will happen? Will the roleplay just go forever?

I just though a World War would be a cool event.

How much of N. India am I getting? About 10,000,000-20,000,000 worth?

That is fine.

Question Antigonal. Will we actually be roleplaying with each other? Or is this more of a strategy turn-based game?

Because if there is an actual RP thread, will we be our leaders, or can we invent interesting characters and tell their super awesome stories?

Oh, and I had an idea.

How does the end work? I mean will we just keep going and then there will be a World War and we will have to decide what will happen? Will the roleplay just go forever?

I just though a World War would be a cool event.

I'm planning to take the game until machine guns become popular. So roughly 1920. But if the game is still going strong at that point, who knows.

You can RP a bunch of different characters, including your rulers. It will be sort of turn based strategy when wars come in maybe.

I do plan on making a World War event. If tensions begin to run high between a bunch of international nations I may make an event like the assasinations of Archduke Ferdinand that will trigger a war.

How much of N. India am I getting? About 10,000,000-20,000,000 worth?

11,000,000 should be fine. Considering how large Persia is. Afghanistan and Pakistan on top of that should make you more than powerful enough to contend in the world.

I think I already gave you the Solomon Islands. No Marshall.

Fair enough

I like the idea of a world war, though machine guns were common in the first world war in case you didn't know

11,000,000 should be fine. Considering how large Persia is. Afghanistan and Pakistan on top of that should make you more than powerful enough to contend in the world.

So is about 36,000,000 accurate as a total population?

I meant portable machine guns or sub-machine guns.

So is about 36,000,000 accurate as a total population?

I think so, look it up on populstat.

I think so, look it up on populstat.


I did, but none of my countries have accurate readings for 1860.

All I am saying is that the First World doesn't need machine guns.

This is an alternate history. :)

And, how will wars and stuff work, I've done it where we send our military plans to you and then you tell us what happened. Or will it be more public?

And how will time work?

All I am saying is that the First World doesn't need machine guns.

This is an alternate history. :)

And, how will wars and stuff work, I've done it where we send our military plans to you and then you tell us what happened. Or will it be more public?

And how will time work?

More public, that way no one will be playing cheap because everyone will be moderating the war's fairness.

EDIT: Time, originally it was gonna be 1 day = 1 month but now I'm thinking it will vary or maybe be about two months.

Alrighty, I suppose I can jump in on this. I will be more of a naval d00d here. My claims are in black.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/imdmill/1820map.png

Also, I just vote that we get new tech as it became available in the RL world.

Damn, this is gonna be one hell of a world!

Alrighty, I suppose I can jump in on this. I will be more of a naval d00d here. My claims are in black.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/imdmill/1820map.png

Also, I just vote that we get new tech as it became available in the RL world.

Sorry buddy, your homeland needs to be in Europe, Africa north of the equator, or Asia (minus Siberia).

One more question.

Will there be some sort of League of Nations/United Nations?

To my knowledge, there wasnt one in 1860, was there?

One more question.

Will there be some sort of League of Nations/United Nations?

To my knowledge, there wasnt one in 1860, was there?

Noooo.... but this is our world! We should keep it realistic but we could form one maybe later on.

Wait a sec. We aren't RPing battles?

One more question.

Will there be some sort of League of Nations/United Nations?

To my knowledge, there wasnt one in 1860, was there?

Nope, it was a free-for-all

Fancy an Alliance Ghassan?

I'm feeling a little empty on colonies compared with others, would you mind if I had some coast of Ethopia (I really want something on the Suez). Who has Somalia etc.?

I'm feeling a little empty on colonies compared with others, would you mind if I had some coast of Ethopia (I really want something on the Suez). Who has Somalia etc.?

I can give you some of the coast Sudan. Ethiopia and the Suez are taken already. I agree you haven't been fairly dealt when it came to colonies. So I'll give the Yucatan in Mexico, some Sudan coastline, and a bit of Chile. Sound good?

Sorry buddy, your homeland needs to be in Europe, Africa north of the equator, or Asia (minus Siberia).

And why can't my homeland be there? Seems fine to me. I dont see a problem with me being that dickwad native group that banded together to fight off the opressers, maybe swung a few deals with a few of the money grubbing Europeans to build infastructure and ships.

And if it is such a damn big deal, then fine, I'm gone. I'm not gonna sit here and bitch all day, but it seems pretty nubish to me to make me take a homeland above the Equator.

I'm feeling a little empty on colonies compared with others, would you mind if I had some coast of Ethopia (I really want something on the Suez). Who has Somalia etc.?

I can give you some of the coast Sudan. Ethiopia and the Suez are taken already. I agree you haven't been fairly dealt when it came to colonies. So I'll give the Yucatan in Mexico, some Sudan coastline, and a bit of Chile. Sound good?

And why can't my homeland be there? Seems fine to me. I dont see a problem with me being that dickwad native group that banded together to fight off the opressers, maybe swung a few deals with a few of the money grubbing Europeans to build infastructure and ships.

And if it is such a damn big deal, then fine, I'm gone. I'm not gonna sit here and bitch all day, but it seems pretty nubish to me to make me take a homeland above the Equator.

Okay, you're gone then... we'll do our best without you, our lose.

Nope, it was a free-for-all

Fancy an Alliance Ghassan?

I was thinking of making more of a Pact between 'good-aligned' nations. Or something of that nature.

But an ally is good too.

I was thinking of making more of a Pact between 'good-aligned' nations. Or something of that nature.

But an ally is good too.

It's good to see you guys starting to RP but wait until the game starts. I wanna get at least two more factbooks up before we start, otherwise it's just us four.

I was thinking of making more of a Pact between 'good-aligned' nations. Or something of that nature.

But an ally is good too.

Like a Treaty of mutual defense? Sounds interesting

It's good to see you guys starting to RP but wait until the game starts. I wanna get at least two more factbooks up before we start, otherwise it's just us four.

No harm in discussing these things now

Still no way of calculating IP?

I have most of your IPs but I don't have a mathematical way of calculating it. Sorry.

Yeah, it would be that Alversia.

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How are only four factbooks up? Don't we have like nine nations involved? Didn't they understand the aspect of getting the factbook up?

How are only four factbooks up? Don't we have like nine nations involved? Didn't they understand the aspect of getting the factbook up?

Factbooks take a lot of effort, you must have patience

Updated mah factbook, now it has FLAGS.
And Ghassan, one of the main issues with Earths right now is people being dicks about signing up, then never posting again. Sometimes I wish I could tazer people over the internet when it comes to that sort of thing.

I can give you some of the coast Sudan. Ethiopia and the Suez are taken already. I agree you haven't been fairly dealt when it came to colonies. So I'll give the Yucatan in Mexico, some Sudan coastline, and a bit of Chile. Sound good?

Sounds good. It was Sudan's coast I wanted anyway I just found out, I just got it confused with Ethiopia. And the reason I asked who had Ethiopia etc. was because I thought it was the guy who had Britain and I was a tad shocked at how large his Empire was.

Kampfers, join! :p

Yeah... I'm about to set a deadline. It's Monday now, unless you talk to me with some sort of excuse, if your factbook isn't up by Thursday, YOUR OUTTA HERE.

Sounds good. It was Sudan's coast I wanted anyway I just found out, I just got it confused with Ethiopia. And the reason I asked who had Ethiopia etc. was because I thought it was the guy who had Britain and I was a tad shocked at how large his Empire was.

Kampfers, join! :p

lulz, I would, but apparantly it's against the laws to be a bunch of natives resisting European influence, and taking matters into their own hands like some of the American Indians did. Sell people and goods off for guns, ships, etc.

Updated mah factbook, now it has FLAGS.


Mine has Infantry! :p

What is my IP by the way? Just so I can add it to the Factbook

Alright

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536131)

lulz, I would, but apparantly it's against the laws to be a bunch of natives resisting European influence, and taking matters into their own hands like some of the American Indians did. Sell people and goods off for guns, ships, etc.

I'm sorry if you think this group is against native populaces but when I founded the group I wanted to make it just the old world. Then I decided to make it the whole world but I still wanted people to begin in the old world so it would be somewhat like my original idea. As for slavery, slavery was a part of life in the 19th century. It's up to the players of the game to decide if they think slavery and colonialism is ethical. That's why it's a ROLE PLAY.

Okay in an hour I'll have my main computer so I can get all the IP stats and update the map.

lulz, I would, but apparantly it's against the laws to be a bunch of natives resisting European influence, and taking matters into their own hands like some of the American Indians did. Sell people and goods off for guns, ships, etc.

You could be the Phillipines then, or Vietnam, Burma, some Indian group, theres lots of little pockets of natives out there waiting to get conqoured.
I suggest the Phiilipines though. Then you get crazy Muslims on hashish charging into hails of bullets and suchlike. Theyre the reason the US army adopted the Colt 1911 with its .45 calibur cartridge, you know? Apparently the old .38s just pissed them off.

I'd go for the Phillipines Kampf. I'd sell you guns etc. (not sure how great German guns were around this time), as long as the Europeans you fought against weren't me :p It could go quite well, you could resist the European influence and I would assist you weakening my close neighbours colonial Empires. I fancy being a bit evil, exploiting people etc. Though I'd like to try and find an ally in Europe, probably to the East or whoever has France (which I think is Antigonal).

I'd go for the Phillipines Kampf. I'd sell you guns etc. (not sure how great German guns were around this time), as long as the Europeans you fought against weren't me :p It could go quite well, you could resist the European influence and I would assist you weakening my close neighbours colonial Empires. I fancy being a bit evil, exploiting people etc. Though I'd like to try and find an ally in Europe, probably to the East or whoever has France (which I think is Antigonal).

An alliance would be great.

Bright Green = Carloginias

*Dosen't see anything*

Bright Green = Carloginias

*Dosen't see anything*

Haha, sorry, it's up now. And by the way, I changed you to light yellow.

EDIT: All, the new map is up. No more revisions unless you are Ethiopia or C-B. C-B I gave you some land in Africa, Croatia, a colony in the Caucuses, and some other stuff. You're good now. Ethiopia, contact me if you want Kenya and a piece of Madascar. Besides those two, you're all good. No more land for you. I am a little pissed off/dismayed to see how so many people only wanted to land grab, then never post again. The game is gonna start after two more people get factbooks. If you don't have a factbook by Thursday, I'm taking your territory and dividing it between the rest of us. There is room for one more person to join, first person to contact me gets that last space. Since there isn't much room left on the map, you probably won't get a LOT of land. Those of you with factbooks, I'm starting to give out IPs... finally.S o okay, hope to start soon and good luck.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12983001#post12983001

my factbook

Haha, sorry, it's up now. And by the way, I changed you to light yellow.


Thanks, but I still can't see it lol.

Neither of the map links worked in the intro?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12983001#post12983001

my factbook

What about your army and navy? And do you want northern Madagascar and part of Kenya?

Neither of the map links worked in the intro?

I can see everyone EXCEPT me.

Haha! I'll look into it. Sorry for the fuss.

Okay, now it should be working. I accidently uploaded an old version of the map.

EDIT: By the way, Ghassan, I extended your empire a bit. And I advise everyone look at the new map before doing your factbook, your borders may have changed a bit.

What about your army and navy? And do you want northern Madagascar and part of Kenya?

Who has the rest of madagascar?

I need to figure that out.

Do I get 1800's tech?

Who has the rest of madagascar?

I need to figure that out.

Do I get 1800's tech?

Yeah, maybe just a little behind us.

EDIT: Ghassan controls the southern third of the island.

So...where exactly are we getting these IPs...

Alversian Factbook: Updated (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530840)

Updated with Angola as part of the Empire

Wait. How did NB get his claim and me not get mine? Same freaking issue.

So...where exactly are we getting these IPs...

Once you do your factbook I'll give it to you.

Wait. How did NB get his claim and me not get mine? Same freaking issue.

Well, if you consult a globe, his lands are north of the Equator with the exception of about 100 square miles of Somalia which I let slide.

Once you do your factbook I'll give it to you.

Am I gonna get mine then?

Yeah, maybe just a little behind us.

EDIT: Ghassan controls the southern third of the island.

Sure, that was just my starter post. I'll have to edit everything to inclide them, however.

Now, can I get all of Kenya or does someone have it?

Mine as well, please.

Well, if you consult a globe, his lands are north of the Equator with the exception of about 100 square miles of Somalia which I let slide.

Uh, only 1/2 of Kenya is above the Equator. Madagascar definitely ain't. Part of Somalia isn't.

On my claim, I had multiple different parts that extended over the equator. If need be, I'd grab part of the Phillipines. (I would prefer to grab the claimed portion, and let that guy grab the unclaimed porton instead.

Am I gonna get mine then?
Before you get your IP I wanna let you know I tweaked the rules. Below 200 is now depression and below 30 is when you lose, and 100 is still bankrupcy. A strong economy is now between 400 and 500. I'll repost this in the intro. Sorry for the confusion.

Angola - 49
S. India - 105
Zimbabwe - 42
Peru - 68
Norway - 31
UK - 78
Borneo - 40

TOTAL = 410

Uh, only 1/2 of Kenya is above the Equator. Madagascar definitely ain't. Part of Somalia isn't.

On my claim, I had multiple different parts that extended over the equator. If need be, I'd grab part of the Phillipines. (I would prefer to grab the claimed portion, and let that guy grab the unclaimed porton instead.

Those are colonies. He has colonies in Mad. and Kenya. READ THE INTRO. Secondly, I'm going easy on NB, he chose a very hard nation to play.

Those are colonies. He has colonies in Mad. and Kenya. READ THE INTRO. Secondly, I'm going easy on NB, he chose a very hard nation to play.

I DID READ THE INTRO! And do you think my nations aren't hard to play? I'm sorry but this RP has wank and godmode written all over it. 10 bucks says that you will lower whoever attacks you's IP down because of "war weariness" just so you don't die. I was going to switch my claim to something in china and vietnam, but you know what? Screw it. This is bullshit. As I see it, you have got about 4 good RPers or at least knowledgeable RPers in here, and your not one of them. Your an idiot, you know that?

Before you get your IP I wanna let you know I tweaked the rules. Below 200 is now depression and below 30 is when you lose, and 100 is still bankrupcy. A strong economy is now between 400 and 500. I'll repost this in the intro. Sorry for the confusion.

Angola - 49
S. India - 105
Zimbabwe - 42
Peru - 68
Norway - 31
UK - 78
Borneo - 40

TOTAL = 410

Thanks!
Is there any way to increase IP?
How is it calculated?

Carloginias, your IP is on your factbook page.

EDIT: You can increase it by building railroads and canals and if your population goes up.

I DID READ THE INTRO! And do you think my nations aren't hard to play? I'm sorry but this RP has wank and godmode written all over it. 10 bucks says that you will lower whoever attacks you's IP down because of "war weariness" just so you don't die. I was going to switch my claim to something in china and vietnam, but you know what? Screw it. This is bullshit. As I see it, you have got about 4 good RPers or at least knowledgeable RPers in here, and your not one of them. Your an idiot, you know that?

Get a life buddy, if your that pissed off, just leave. Don't waste your day critizing our game. Everyone here is having a good time. And no I wouldn't do that. Actually I haven't decided if I'm going to do war weariness at all yet. But I know if a war is waged in a territory for a long time your IP can go down because of destruction done to industry.

Carloginias, your IP is on your factbook page.

EDIT: You can increase it by building railroads and canals and if your population goes up.

How do you build rails exactly?
Don't forget the UK's in the middle of the industrial revolution

You also don't control one-fourth of the world's surface.

I plan on raising my IP by building roads, railroads, conquest, and increasing recource production.

You also don't control one-fourth of the world's surface.

I plan on raising my IP by building roads, railroads, conquest, and increasing recource production.

True...
...I don't control 1/4 of the world...yet...
...just you wait...:mp5:

I'll have to build railways as well then.

The problem with pricing railroads is that they come in varying sizes. So basically what I'm gonna do is judge your ability to build canals and railroads on how high your IP is. That's the plan for now. If you guys could come up with a more mathematical way that would be awesome. I was thinking to start each country can get one railway the width of France is today running from the Bay of Biscay to the German border. But I'm not so sure about this idea. What do you guys think>

I'm not too sure about how to go ahead working IP out, but heres what I came up with:

Japan: 79 (Heavy industry, arms)
Korea: 55 (Mining, rice)
Liandong: 34 (Mining, oil, coal)
Heibei: 46 (Cereal crops)
Beijing: 43 (Business, trade)
Tianjin: 22 (Business, trade)
Shangdong: 70 (Cotton, wheat, mining, oil)
Jiansu: 32 (Agriculture, silk)
Shanghai: 64 (Business, trade, shipbuilding)
Zhejiang: 23 (Fish, rice)
Fujian: 12 (Not much)
Jiangxi: 30 (Porcelien, fine arts)
Anhui: 65 (Industry, mining, some agriculture, lots of people)
Taiwan: 45 (Arms and shipbuilding, minor agriculture)
Sakhalin: 5 (Coal)
Kiriku: 22 (Lumber, agriculture)
Hawaii: 21 (Shipbuilding, cattle, some agriculture)

Total 668

It feels a bit high though,

I'm not too sure about how to go ahead working IP out, but heres what I came up with:

Japan: 79 (Heavy industry, arms)
Korea: 55 (Mining, rice)
Liandong: 34 (Mining, oil, coal)
Heibei: 46 (Cereal crops)
Beijing: 43 (Business, trade)
Tianjin: 22 (Business, trade)
Shangdong: 70 (Cotton, wheat, mining, oil)
Jiansu: 32 (Agriculture, silk)
Shanghai: 64 (Business, trade, shipbuilding)
Zhejiang: 23 (Fish, rice)
Fujian: 12 (Not much)
Jiangxi: 30 (Porcelien, fine arts)
Anhui: 65 (Industry, mining, some agriculture, lots of people)
Taiwan: 45 (Arms and shipbuilding, minor agriculture)
Sakhalin: 5 (Coal)
Kiriku: 22 (Lumber, agriculture)
Hawaii: 21 (Shipbuilding, cattle, some agriculture)

Total 668

It feels a bit high though,

Just a bit...

How do I calculate my IP?

This is starting to be very realistic here, with the canals and the railway guages

I'll calculate the IPs because there isn't any concrete formula, I sort of just sit down and look up provinces online and see what their major imports and exports are, whether they have access to wood, coal, or a river, and how large their population is.

I'm not too sure about how to go ahead working IP out, but heres what I came up with:

Japan: 79 (Heavy industry, arms)
Korea: 55 (Mining, rice)
Liandong: 34 (Mining, oil, coal)
Heibei: 46 (Cereal crops)
Beijing: 43 (Business, trade)
Tianjin: 22 (Business, trade)
Shangdong: 70 (Cotton, wheat, mining, oil)
Jiansu: 32 (Agriculture, silk)
Shanghai: 64 (Business, trade, shipbuilding)
Zhejiang: 23 (Fish, rice)
Fujian: 12 (Not much)
Jiangxi: 30 (Porcelien, fine arts)
Anhui: 65 (Industry, mining, some agriculture, lots of people)
Taiwan: 45 (Arms and shipbuilding, minor agriculture)
Sakhalin: 5 (Coal)
Kiriku: 22 (Lumber, agriculture)
Hawaii: 21 (Shipbuilding, cattle, some agriculture)

Total 668

It feels a bit high though,

I actually think that's accurate. It may not be fair... but it's accurate. Your definetly gonna be the population and economic powerhouse. But since your leading I may throw in some less than favorable events just to help us keep up. I was planning on doing this to whoever took China so don't feel bad.

I'll calculate the IPs because there isn't any concrete formula, I sort of just sit down and look up provinces online and see what their major imports and exports are, whether they have access to wood, coal, or a river, and how large their population is.

so I should list those in my factbook

How do I calculate my IP?

This is starting to be very realistic here, with the canals and the railway guages

Ethiopia - 55
Somalia - 66
Djibouti - 16
N. Madagascar - 39
Kenya - 60
Reunion, Mauritius, and the Seychelles: 29

TOTAL: 205

I wanted to make sure you didn't start the game in a depression. So I tweaked the numbers a bit in your favor. I'm sorry your starting kind of behind. When it comes to events later on I'll try to favorable to you. But just because you have your IP doesn't mean you can start, I still need a completed factbook.

Hey guys, in your factbooks,could you please do a brief breakdown of religions in your empire. You know, show which faith holds majority and whatnot. You can look at mine for an example if you want.

I actually think that's accurate. It may not be fair... but it's accurate. Your definetly gonna be the population and economic powerhouse. But since your leading I may throw in some less than favorable events just to help us keep up. I was planning on doing this to whoever took China so don't feel bad.

Eh, historically the Chinese respond well to the 'military crackdown' method of population control. Something the Japanese happen to be good at ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12983439#post12983439

Heres my factbook. I know its rough, but its a WIP.

I'm not sure how this IP works, so someone else can figure it out who knows if they want.

Another Updated Alversian Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530840)

Is it possible to expand into Africa and the Americas once the RP starts?

Another Updated Alversian Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530840)

Is it possible to expand into Africa and the Americas once the RP starts?

Certainly.

Updated factbook with economy and religion

Candistan, youre military is a bit too big if I did my math right. Your max active military is 707,000 at %2.
Cruisers and destroyers dont exist yet. We're still on ironclads right now.

Candistan, youre military is a bit too big if I did my math right. Your max active military is 707,000 at %2.
Cruisers and destroyers dont exist yet. We're still on ironclads right now.

Oh...we cant do 3%? Yeah, about the ships, I'll change that.

Got the factbook updated with religion, i dunno on what to post on the Economy, Military, can I use ironclad ships of the line?

I was under the impression that the largest peacetime force you could have was %2, but you can have big reserves, since the military thinking of the time was the 'small army, huge reserves' thing.

Listen to Dontgonearthere, everything he said so far was correct.

EDIT: Candistan, fix up your factbook and I'll give you your IP and mark you down as finished and ready to play.

Listen to Dontgonearthere, everything he said so far was correct.

EDIT: Candistan, fix up your factbook and I'll give you your IP and mark you down as finished and ready to play.

Sigg'd ;)

Got the factbook updated with religion, i dunno on what to post on the Economy, Military, can I use ironclad ships of the line?

Don't worry about economy, your economy is your IP which I will give you when you finish your factbook.