NationStates Jolt Archive

Due to my old RP dying I feel that it is about time to start uo a new one so that all the old timers can come back to this thread who want to continue the old thread and to allow new people who might wish to join this RP so as to add some new flavor to it.

As well, I felt like that such an rp would appeal to many people to rp their nation's past history in a different manner and to offer such an rp would also be quite interesting in the fact that it would offer a way for people to simulate the NS world in the times before the industrial revolution during which mighty kings reigned, such as the Romanvs in Russia, the Tudors, the rise of the Hapsburgs, the glory of the Ottomans, the rise of the Qing, the beginning of the renewed Shoguns in Japan, and the time of the colonization of the 'New' World by the European powers.

Map: http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6bunxwylo9.png

Claims:

The Scandinvans: Red
Gataway: Yellow
The Far Echo Islands: Dark Blue
Dalnijrus: Goldenrod
Shakal: Green
Lachenburg: Purple
New Brittonia: Light Green
No Taxes: Orange
Zoingo: Sky Blue
Alversia: Purple
Firehelper: Black
Ontarium: Denim Blue
Carloginias: Crimson
Antigonal: Brown
Lach-Land: Steel

Factbooks:

The Scandinvans: The Nordic Empire: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532052
Shakal: Shakal Empire: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12943980#post12943980
Gataway: Imperial Kingdom of Gataway: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535033
No Taxes: The No Taxes Empire: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535034
Antigonal: Russia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12970480#post12970480
Lach-Land: Tartar Hordes Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12988194#post12988194

Trade:

Norse Slave Market: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534998
Hordes Request Gun Trade: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12993895#post12993895

Military:

West African Slave Revolt: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535798
Invasion of Siberia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12974472#post12974472

Diplomatic:

To Begin Foreign Business: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12966710

I was wondering what happened to the old one lol

Making my claims on the Map for approval right now..if thats okay with you Scan

I was wondering what happened to the old one lol

Making my claims on the Map for approval right now..if thats okay with you ScanGood, as for the old thread, interest dwindled to such a degree that only a couple of people remained interested so I just let the old thread die.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/The_Far_Echo_Islands/1650map1.jpg

I never did a 'Earth' rp before so stop me if I'm sounding like and idiot, but can I claim all the blue?

This is the perfect time to play out the rich history of my nation in the height of the rule of the Sound Empire.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/The_Far_Echo_Islands/1650map1.jpg

I never did a 'Earth' rp before so stop me if I'm sounding like and idiot, but can I claim all the blue?

This is the perfect time to play out the rich history of my nation in the height of the rule of the Sound Empire.

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AHHHH!
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JPEG!

BREAK OUT THE SHUNGUN!

SHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUN

I'll play Egypt, as before.

claims (http://www.freewebs.com/blast_archives/worldmap1650%20egypt.png)

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/The_Far_Echo_Islands/1650map1.jpg

I never did a 'Earth' rp before so stop me if I'm sounding like and idiot, but can I claim all the blue?

This is the perfect time to play out the rich history of my nation in the height of the rule of the Sound Empire.No to be dictatoral I will have to say you cannot really claim the central areas of Alaska and the Canadain islands due to them all being in the Artic Circle and is essentially impossible to get to by ship and the enviroment is to hostile for a foreign group of people to control well. Also, cut down your claims in Russia, otherwise the rest seems prefectly plasuible.:cool: I will give it to you if you allow my to cut down on your claims.

No to be dictatoral I will have to say you cannot really claim the central areas of Alaska and the Canadain islands due to them all being in the Artic Circle and is essentially impossible to get to by ship and the enviroment is to hostile for a foreign group of people to control well. Also, cut down your claims in Russia, otherwise the rest seems prefectly plasuible.:cool: I will give it to you if you allow my to cut down on your claims.

Ok, but I still want the Alaskan coast and a little bit and the coast line down to the US border if that's OK, and as for Russian claims, just cut it back to the little peninsula that juts out north of japan, can't think of the name, but you prolly know what I'm talking about.

is this Okay...?

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l255/rtpayton17/worldmap1650rx2.png

its in PNG..I hope this is more acceptable...

AHHHH!
AHHHH!
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JPEG!

BREAK OUT THE SHUNGUN!

SHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUNSHUN

I'll play Egypt, as before.

claims (http://www.freewebs.com/blast_archives/worldmap1650%20egypt.png)Don't you think that is a little big considering what you rule is a populous region and the rest of what you claim is deset?

Ok, but I still want the Alaskan coast and a little bit and the coast line down to the US border if that's OK, and as for Russian claims, just cut it back to the little peninsula that juts out north of japan, can't think of the name, but you prolly know what I'm talking about.Approved.

is this Okay...?

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l255/rtpayton17/worldmap1650rx2.png

its in PNG..I hope this is more acceptable...Approved.

This is the new map:

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rx2ia0.png

Don't you think that is a little big considering what you rule is a populous region and the rest of what you claim is deset?

Nope.

I want to at least claim Sudan, in addition to Egypt (for reasons undisclosed); the reason I claimed Libya is that Egyptians and Libyans shared a strong alliance in ancient times, and I didn't want someone coming in and turning them against me.

Strategic claiming!

If it's too much, I can cut them out, but it will be ):.

:p

Man, I'm still on that Jolt stuff—I had at least a full third of a can, I think. D:

Joy

Damn you gataway...

Anyways, heres my claim.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6bunxwy

Nope.

I want to at least claim Sudan, in addition to Egypt (for reasons undisclosed); the reason I claimed Libya is that Egyptians and Libyans shared a strong alliance in ancient times, and I didn't want someone coming in and turning them against me.

Strategic claiming!

If it's too much, I can cut them out, but it will be ):.

:p

Man, I'm still on that Jolt stuff—I had at least a full third of a can, I think. D:You are thinking of northeast Libya as it was within the Egyptian sphere of influence.

Here you go: http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rx2eo6.png

Dont forgte about me...

Is this more better, PNG too.

http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6bunxwyfv9.png

I just used the one Gataway posted.

Damn you gataway...

Anyways, heres my claim.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6bunxwyI will not as you are approved.

more better lol..you can't damn me just because I picked Germany before you =P

I will not as you are approved.

w00t!

Yay for her, sorry about the random post, i just like using my awsomeness to help spark interest.

You are thinking of northeast Libya as it was within the Egyptian sphere of influence.

Here you go: http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rx2eo6.png

Why'd you take out Eritrea? ._o

Oh, sorry, you made your map al lil' faster than I made mine, but, Scan, I like yours better, so could you just add a few of the more mid-pacfic islands. Please.

Dont forgte about me...I would never forget about you.:p

http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6bunxwyfv9.png

I would never forget about you.:p

http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6bunxwyfv9.png

Dont get to comfortable with her... She is mine...

Lolz calm urself

Dont get to comfortable with her... She is mine...

you going to fight let me get some popcorn

Lolz calm urself

I am calm. Now ill stop posting here because Im not going to be involved. and BTW, you stay away from Sam too...

WTF lol..I have no desire for Canadian Poontang...I much enjoy the Yankee brand...I alrdy have Popcorn...

If I may, I'd like to place my claim:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4652/claimxh6.png

Note: Minus Nova Scotia.

WTF lol..I have no desire for Canadian Poontang...I much enjoy the Yankee brand...I alrdy have Popcorn...

But you forget my good sir, we are German.

Dont get to comfortable with her... She is mine...I am Norwegian and since there are so few of my kind left we cannot afford a person of true blood marrying out of ethnic group so you have nothing to worry about.;)

You live in Canada so you're a Canuck to me....and Im part German too :)

If I may, I'd like to place my claim:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4652/claimxh6.png

Note: Minus Nova Scotia.Accepted.

You live in Canada so you're a Canuck to me....and Im part German too :)I am not from Canada and guess what country I live in?

Ummm I have no idea...

ERR, Norway?

Sweden Finland Estonia..

All wrong, I live in the U.S.

Well I thought you ment you weren't a canadian or a Yank...

Why'd you take out Eritrea? ._o

Errr.

Well I thought you ment you weren't a canadian or a Yank...Good thoughts, though why would you think I am a Canadian?

Errr.Gave you a good part of the north of it.

I didn't...I thought you were saying you didnt live in Canada or the USA..since those were the two mentioned countries..and you told us to guess where you lived..so I assumed you ment somewhere other than those two...anyways back on track...I shall have a factbook up today..

I didn't...I thought you were saying you didnt live in Canada or the USA..since those were the two mentioned countries..and you told us to guess where you lived..so I assumed you ment somewhere other than those two...anyways back on track...I shall have a factbook up today..lol then, though the factbook will be great as the more the merrier.:p

Gave you a good part of the north of it.

I think you might be confusing Eritrea with Libya: Eritrea is to the south of Sudan and to the north of Ethiopia. The strip of land on the Horn that looks like a funnel.

I think you might be confusing Eritrea with Libya: Eritrea is to the south of Sudan and to the north of Ethiopia. The strip of land on the Horn that looks like a funnel.No I am not as if you check I gave you a longer coast then you requested and gave your part of Eritera.

Not to be annoying, but your version has Egypt's coast actually smaller.

This is Eritrea:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/LocationEritrea.png

This is my claim:
http://www.freewebs.com/blast_archives/worldmap1650%20egypt.png

This is your suggested modification:
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rx2eo6.png

Not to be annoying, but your version has Egypt's coast actually smaller.

This is Eritrea:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/LocationEritrea.png

This is my claim:
http://www.freewebs.com/blast_archives/worldmap1650%20egypt.png

This is your suggested modification:
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rx2eo6.pngDo you want me to expand your coast along the Mediterranean Sea, though to note from what see you have all the Egyptian coasts.

Can get the Tibet thing that I had before?

Can get the Tibet thing that I had before?Sure.:p

Sure.:p

Remember that I want to be landlocked

Do you want me to expand your coast along the Mediterranean Sea, though to note from what see you have all the Egyptian coasts.

Yes and no. I'd like to have the descendants of the Puntites under my sway (which is why I included the northern half of Ethiopia), but a long coastline from which to strike and trade will be beneficial; the former, however, is more imperative to my interests at the moment. I can always conquer the Med coasts later.

I'll draft up a new proposal for myself when I come back; Firefox is eating up my poor laptop's memory, and I need to re-start it.

EDIT: Okay, after you clear your cache, you should see my new claims (http://www.freewebs.com/blast_archives/worldmap1650%20egypt.png). I've taken out much of western Libya in this version, but I expanded into south-central Africa after some thought (trade on the Nile would have brought in quite a few Egyptian monopolies—seems only sensible that the nations in the area would be under the King's sway).

EDIT2: Just as a note, my claims occupy 7,581 pixels of the map. Yours occupies 9,835 such pixels. Each pixel is about 17 miles square, so that's 342 miles square more than me. Even accounting for distortion, that's not exactly inconsiderable—and even if I am incorporating distortion incorrectly, I am simply the same size as your nation.

Yes and no. I'd like to have the descendants of the Puntites under my sway (which is why I included the northern half of Ethiopia), but a long coastline from which to strike and trade will be beneficial; the former, however, is more imperative to my interests at the moment. I can always conquer the Med coasts later.

I'll draft up a new proposal for myself when I come back; Firefox is eating up my poor laptop's memory, and I need to re-start it.

EDIT: Okay, after you clear your cache, you should see my new claims (http://www.freewebs.com/blast_archives/worldmap1650%20egypt.png). I've taken out much of western Libya in this version, but I expanded into south-central Africa after some thought (trade on the Nile would have brought in quite a few Egyptian monopolies—seems only sensible that the nations in the area would be under the King's sway).

EDIT2: Just as a note, my claims occupy 7,581 pixels of the map. Yours occupies 9,835 such pixels. Each pixel is about 17 miles square, so that's 342 miles square more than me. Even accounting for distortion, that's not exactly inconsiderable—and even if I am incorporating distortion incorrectly, I am simply the same size as your nation.By the way to tell your newly updated claims will be on the next map.

By the way to tell your newly updated claims will be on the next map.

Thanks. (:

Remember that I want to be landlockedQuite good.

My factbook

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12943980#post12943980)

Im still working on mine...RL things..and the fact that im being attacked in multiple places..has taken up much of my free time today

My factbook

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12943980#post12943980)Looks good.:p

Im still working on mine...RL things..and the fact that im being attacked in multiple places..has taken up much of my free time todayAs well, hope it is done soon as it might be confusing for you if you do not get one done in a week.;)

If possible, I'd like to take these claims:
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/436/1650nsworldzu9.png.

Assuming they're fine, I'll hopefully have a factbook up sometime today.

If possible, I'd like to take these claims:
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/436/1650nsworldzu9.png.

Assuming they're fine, I'll hopefully have a factbook up sometime today.Accepted.

Should I start up a slave market thread?

Should I start up a slave market thread?
I would say so, my nation will certainly be engaging in plenty of slave trading activity.

I would say so, my nation will certainly be engaging in plenty of slave trading activity.What kinda of currency should be used?

What kinda of currency should be used?
Probably yours since judging from the map it looks like you would be trading more slaves than anyone else. Although each local slave market would probably use the currency of the nation where it was located.

Probably yours since judging from the map it looks like you would be trading more slaves than anyone else. Although each local slave market would probably use the currency of the nation where it was located.For a currency hows does this look for trading?

Currency:

Krona: 10 Grams Gold
Krone: 10 Grams Silver
Norse Ducat: 5 Grams Gold
Norse Florian: 5 Grams Silver
Nora: 2 Grams Gold
Nore: 2 Grams Silver
Thula: 1 Gram Gold
Thule: 1 Gram Silver

To note 2.32 grams of silver=1 gram of gold in my nation.

For a currency hows does this look for trading?

Currency:

Krona: 10 Grams Gold
Krone: 10 Grams Silver
Norse Ducat: 5 Grams Gold
Norse Florian: 5 Grams Silver
Nora: 2 Grams Gold
Nore: 2 Grams Silver
Thula: 1 Gram Gold
Thule: 1 Gram Silver

To note 2.32 grams of silver=1 gram of gold in my nation.
Yeah that looks fine.

Yeah that looks fine.Are these to much for slave prices?

West African:
Old: 34 Kronas
Prime: 49 Kronas
Child: 37 Kronas

East African:
Old: 35 Kronas
Prime: 52 Kronas
Child: 40 Kronas

Indian:
Old:38 Kronas
Prime: 56 Kronas
Child: 42 Kronas

Nesian:
Old: 37 Kronas
Prime: 54 Kronas
Child: 41 Kronas

Are these to much for slave prices?

West African:
Old: 34 Kronas
Prime: 49 Kronas
Child: 37 Kronas

East African:
Old: 35 Kronas
Prime: 52 Kronas
Child: 40 Kronas

Indian:
Old:38 Kronas
Prime: 56 Kronas
Child: 42 Kronas

Nesian:
Old: 37 Kronas
Prime: 54 Kronas
Child: 41 Kronas
Depending on how much gold will be valued in this RP, those prices seem somewhat low if anything.

Depending on how much gold will be valued in this RP, those prices seem somewhat low if anything.Considering the average slave of the time was roughly worth twenty five pounds it does not see far fecthed in terms that the Kronas are worth less then the pound of the time.

Slave market thread is up: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534998

Is this still open?

Can I claim Italy and France?

How many territories over all can be claimed?

Is this still open?

Can I claim Italy and France?

How many territories over all can be claimed?Sure, you can claim those two countries, though large parts of Italy are claimed and so are all the islands, and also feel free to claim a colonial area, though to note you can only claim reasonable colonies and you cannot all of the Spanish Empire for example.

Alversian claims in purple
http://tinypic.com/fullsize.php?pic=63jwcqe

Ill take England, and thirteen colonies and territories (which means everything east of the mississippi) excluding the green in the region.

Alversian claims in purple
http://tinypic.com/fullsize.php?pic=63jwcqeTunisa you can keep, Chile to, Peru you can only have the coast, Central American areas good, and as for Gabon you can only have the coast.

Ill take England, and thirteen colonies and territories (which means everything east of the mississippi) excluding the green in the region.Alright, save that you mean everywhere east of the Applachians or otherwise you will only have Florida, the area of the Thirteen Colonies, Lousian, and southern areas of Alabama and Miss.

Ill take England, and thirteen colonies and territories (which means everything east of the mississippi) excluding the green in the region.How does this look for the map?

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6bunxwywm4.png

How does this look for the map?

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6bunxwywm4.png

Do I not control Tunisia as well?

((now Im actually a large archipelago in the Indian ocean but ill settle for parts of china there were colonized by my offshoots of the Chinese civilisation.... ill take that port Arthur peninsula, Singapore, Malaysia, the peninsula with shanghai, indochina, north korea, southern china, and areas around beijing and scattered areas along the coasts.))

How does this look for the map?

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6bunxwywm4.png

Perfect

How many countries will pratice slavery by the way?

How many countries will pratice slavery by the way?

I will, kinda. When will the IC start?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535033&highlight=Gataway

WIP Factbook

PerfectGood.

Yes when will IC be starting...seeing as ur so close to my "Homeland" I believe a diplomatic meeting would be beneficial

As I said, I thought I had Tunisia as well?

Do I not control Tunisia as well?Yes, do not worry.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535033&highlight=Gataway

WIP FactbookAdded.

I will, kinda. When will the IC start?It starts now and to note you have to start your own.;)

Yes when will IC be starting...seeing as ur so close to my "Homeland" I believe a diplomatic meeting would be beneficialI concur, such as arranging slave deals between our nations.:p

oh..trying to milk my coffers already eh? ;)

I shall post shortly...or later today

Yaaay! The thread is popular.............again wooo! :D

How do you work out total population for your empire?

((now Im actually a large archipelago in the Indian ocean but ill settle for parts of china there were colonized by my offshoots of the Chinese civilisation.... ill take that port Arthur peninsula, Singapore, Malaysia, the peninsula with shanghai, indochina, north korea, southern china, and areas around beijing and scattered areas along the coasts.))I hate to tell your claim is a little outlandish, a little large, and the areas you claimed tend to go fast over a number of different groups.

oh..trying to milk my coffers already eh? ;)

I shall post shortly...or later todayQuite alright.

How do you work out total population for your empire?Here is an estimate for each area of your lands:

France: 17.5 million
Italy: 5.2 million
Albania: 800,000
Tunisa: 1 million
African colonies: 2.2 million
Central American colonies: 1.6 million
Peru and Chile: 3.0 million
Cambodia: 750,000
Indonesian Areas: 2.4-2.8 million

Yea..what percentages are you using to get those..I cant remember how you did it last time...

Here is an estimate for each area of your lands:

France: 17.5 million
Italy: 5.2 million
Albania: 800,000
Tunisa: 1 million
African colonies: 2.2 million
Central American colonies: 1.6 million
Peru and Chile: 3.0 million
Cambodia: 750,000
Indonesian Areas: 2.4-2.8 million

That gives me a total population of 34,850,000 million.

Will we be able to colonise other areas later on?

could you then suggest an appropriate size if possible please?(in the general area, on the sea)

That gives me a total population of 34,850,000 million.

Will we be able to colonise other areas later on?Yeah, though you will have to launch a thread and submit the areas you wish to colonize to me because I want to prevent things like I claim all the Chinese coast and I could care less what others think kinda of things.

Ok than..... Can I take Singapore, malaysia, thailand, indochina, and guangzhao?

Ok than..... Can I take Singapore, malaysia, thailand, indochina, and guangzhao?Sure what kinda of color do you want?

I assume this is the era of massed pikemen and arquebusiers?

black (i would perfer red, or orange, or yellow but they are taken.... i like white but that doesn't work either)

I assume this is the era of massed pikemen and arquebusiers?You are correct, though matchlocks and muskets exist at this time and are in fact the norm if I am correct.

black (i would perfer red, or orange, or yellow but they are taken.... i like white but that doesn't work either)Good and your claim will be in the next update on the map.

You are correct, though matchlocks and muskets exist at this time and are in fact the norm if I am correct.

The problem is that this was the era in which the bayonet was developed and so less and less pikemen were taking to the field. Just wondering how this is going to play out

The problem is that this was the era in which the bayonet was developed and so less and less pikemen were taking to the field. Just wondering how this is going to play outYeap, but also to note the pikemen can still play a good part as a field unit.:p

Also, does your nation use slavery?

True, but musket formations are more effective now

We do use slavery in a system like the Romans. A slave can earn his freedom through brave deeds or loyal service. They aren't used in vast numbers though as the colonies require native troops to maintain order.

True, but musket formations are more effective now

We do use slavery in a system like the Romans. A slave can earn his freedom through brave deeds or loyal service. They aren't used in vast numbers though as the colonies require native troops to maintain order.Correct, but still why cannot their be still be the honorable pike sqaure where they fight to the last man around their lord?;)

Also can your nation simply use slaves from other sources, outside your colonies, to your advantage?

Correct, but still why cannot their be still be the honorable pike sqaure where they fight to the last man around their lord?;)

Also can your nation simply use slaves from other sources, outside your colonies, to your advantage?

True, most armies used pike-wielding sergeants to defend their regimental standards after the introduction of muskets

And we might be very interested in importing foreign slaves for use throughout the empire ;) How many did you have in mind?

True, most armies used pike-wielding sergeants to defend their regimental standards after the introduction of muskets

And we might be very interested in importing foreign slaves for use throughout the empire ;) How many did you have in mind?Tens of thousands a year?

Tens of thousands?
You have that amount of people to give away?

Tens of thousands?
You have that amount of people to give away?I have roughly eight million in 'cull' population groups so I 'harvest' roughly one hundred and fifty thousand a year.

We really wouldn't need that much, most would end up serving in the army or navy. Perhaps something in the region of 30,000 would be enough for the forseeable future.

We really wouldn't need that much, most would end up serving in the army or navy. Perhaps something in the region of 30,000 would be enough for the forseeable future.Well, if they are going to be used in the military forces then I sadly will not sell them due to to the fact that my own nation does not like the idea of arming slaves or training them in anyway due to the threat they pose to our own nation if they decide to revolt or become priates.

We really wouldn't need that much, most would end up serving in the army or navy. Perhaps something in the region of 30,000 would be enough for the forseeable future.Well, if they are going to be used in the military forces then I sadly will not sell them due to to the fact that my own nation does not like the idea of arming slaves or training them in anyway due to the threat they pose to our own nation if they decide to revolt or become priates.

What I meant was that 30,000 was the maximum number that could be taken with garunteed work with a few spare. Any more than 30,000 and we would have pressed them into the army, just to give them something to do.

So I assume we can start an IC thread anytime?

What I meant was that 30,000 was the maximum number that could be taken with garunteed work with a few spare. Any more than 30,000 and we would have pressed them into the army, just to give them something to do.Sorry, it seemed that you were implying that you would use them for military and even then if you would use any of them for soldiers then I will not sell them to you as a trained slave is a dangerous slave.

So I assume we can start an IC thread anytime?Yeap.

hm...... i think ill use bows since i can fire with more volue (chinese have repeating crossbows.....) also singular bows and/ or cross bows can fire faster and more accurately than muskets though it doesn't have the penetrating power.

Chinese also have primitive MLRS and balistic missiles along with large cannon like crossbows (along with cannons)

And Im going to be using those treasure ships for my navy.... my this will be fun

hm...... i think ill use bows since i can fire with more volue (chinese have repeating crossbows.....) also singular bows and/ or cross bows can fire faster and more accurately than muskets though it doesn't have the penetrating power.

Chinese also have primitive MLRS and balistic missiles along with large cannon like crossbows (along with cannons)

And Im going to be using those treasure ships for my navy.... my this will be funAlso, know that there are very good reasons why gunpowder weapons managed to overcome weapons and also the Chinese where not the only ones who had repeating crossbows as if I am right there is some current sepeculation that it existed in Europe.

I know we start in 1650..but to white time period shall we advance to

I know we start in 1650..but to white time period shall we advance toOne real day is equal to about one month.

I see

Here is an estimate for each area of your lands:

France: 17.5 million
Italy: 5.2 million
Albania: 800,000
Tunisa: 1 million
African colonies: 2.2 million
Central American colonies: 1.6 million
Peru and Chile: 3.0 million
Cambodia: 750,000
Indonesian Areas: 2.4-2.8 million

Hey, Scan, could you please give me an estimate of what my empire's population would be. I'm having a hard time figuring out what to make it.

Hey, Scan, could you please give me an estimate of what my empire's population would be. I'm having a hard time figuring out what to make it.Here you go:

Japan: 9,600,000
Taiwan: 1,050,000
Sakhalin: 450,000
Kamchatka: 260,000
Alaska Coast: 100,000
Philippines: 3,400,000
Indonesian Island: 2,200,000
Pacfic Islands: 500,000

DO we have to write a Fact Book or shall we not bother?

DO we have to write a Fact Book or shall we not bother?Yes, you have to write a factbook?

My factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535034) is up.

My factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535034) is up.Good, except isn't your Indian ocean fleet a little large when compared to your other fleets?

Good, except isn't your Indian ocean fleet a little large when compared to your other fleets?

Well, maybe he wants to protect them the most? I have 25 ship of the line, and half are in the home waters...

Well, maybe he wants to protect them the most? I have 25 ship of the line, and half are in the home waters...Alright, alright, I was just asking as those are his smallest holdings.

Alright, alright, I was just asking as those are his smallest holdings.

i see,well he is portugese, what do you think? :D

Good, except isn't your Indian ocean fleet a little large when compared to your other fleets?
Yes, most of the ships are concentrated in that area because those are the richest and most spread out colonies.

By the way, you have a tg.

i see,well he is portugese, what do you think? :DTrue, true.;)

Yes, most of the ships are concentrated in that area because those are the richest and most spread out colonies.

By the way, you have a tg.Sounds quite plasuible.

By the way I am considering arranging a marriage between one of my princes so who wants to volunteer a lady of royal descent to marry him?

I suppose I could marry off a princess...it will achieve that diplomatic bond I wanted to make..

I suppose I could marry off a princess...it will achieve that diplomatic bond I wanted to make..True, also let us try to avoid the inbreeding the occured in the European royal lines of the time.

yea...none of this marrying nephews and cousins nonsense...

yea...none of this marrying nephews and cousins nonsense...True to that.:p

Indeed...this is NS not West Virginia...

Indeed...this is NS not West Virginia...Well, we do not want to see the blue skinned mountain folk again do we?:p

hey..I have to share a border with them...thus why my yard is land mined..

hey..I have to share a border with them...thus why my yard is land mined..When I am in my yard I simply just deploy armies of Vikings to keep them away and not one has tried to offer my moon shine or ask if I had dibs on that girl they thought was my sister.

lol...I kind of hope a WV'er reads this thread now:D

I am considering having my current emperor become a radical racist who begins to commit a genocide of all free native peoples in the colonies of the Nordic Empire.

Reminds me of this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S467b00UYtU

Well, my first post is a naked sunbather meetinga future leader of the army...

of course you would make ur first thing about an afternoon bath

of course you would make ur first thing about an afternoon bath

Not a bath, just some naked suntanning and then getting barged in on by a random hunter shooting a buck...

well whatever still only you...

well whatever still only you...

I suppose, soon my awsomeness will spread and I shall rival Ruffy on random quotage!

MUWHAHAHA!

Well, my first post is a naked sunbather meetinga future leader of the army...That is most cerntainly out there.:p

Bump for more people to join.

is there an IC thread? I want to go and move north

I'm in, just give me a moment to tinker with the map and make my claims. =P

edit:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1561/mapcz4.jpg

Is this alright? (the lightish but not-too-bright-blue).

is there an IC thread? I want to go and move northYes, there is and you can start them up to. As well, everyone please have your factbooks created soon so we have an idea of your population and such.

how would you check population?

I'm in, just give me a moment to tinker with the map and make my claims. =P

edit:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1561/mapcz4.jpg

Is this alright? (the lightish but not-too-bright-blue).Good, except to ask what kinda of civilization will you have?

i would like to join.

Good, except to ask what kinda of civilization will you have?

I'm thinking Balkan-Slavic/Greek, if that'd be alright.

how would you check population?For you I would guess between 900,000-1,450,000.

i would like to join.Just stake a claim from this map:

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6bunxwybr3.png

I'm thinking Balkan-Slavic/Greek, if that'd be alright.Quite good as that seems like the right kinda of civilization.

If anyone has a prince that they want to marry off, let me know.

If anyone has a prince that they want to marry off, let me know.

The Alversian King, High Prince Thalin is available

Or his son, Prince Cavana

If anyone has a prince that they want to marry off, let me know.I also have one.

If anyone has a prince that they want to marry off, let me know.

The current 'Emperor' of Nova Byzantia is an unwed 16 year old, just bear in mind that his uncle will be acting as regent for another two years.

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The Alversian King, High Prince Thalin is available

Or his son, Prince Cavana

I also have one.

How old are they? One of my princesses is 17 and then the other two are 13 so they won't be ready for marriage for a couple of years.

The current 'Emperor' of Nova Byzantia is an unwed 16 year old, just bear in mind that his uncle will be acting as regent for another two years.

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Perhaps then in two years Princess Joana who will be 15 could marry your new king.

So be it, we have an arrangement, then?

So be it, we have an arrangement, then?
Yes, she will be ready for marriage in two years.

By the way what is the time scale for this RP? 1 RL day = 1 month or something else?

Is this still open to join?

If so, I'd like Greece and Macedonia as my homeland, with the remainer of central america as colonies.

:)

Is this still open to join?

If so, I'd like Greece and Macedonia as my homeland, with the remainer of central america as colonies.

:)Sorry, those where just taken and they are in the map I JUST updated.

How old are they? One of my princesses is 17 and then the other two are 13 so they won't be ready for marriage for a couple of years.Well, I have Prince Christain, who ironically, is seventeen to.

Would he be interested in marrying Princess Catarina then?

Would he be interested in marrying Prince Catarina then?If you mean Princess sure, and if it is a prince then no.:p

I found it! My old 1650's factbook, it needs a few tweeks to it........

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532233&highlight=1650

If you mean Princess sure, and if it is a prince then no.:p
Yeah my bad, she is a princess, I'll fix that.

I found it! My old 1650's factbook, it needs a few tweeks to it........

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532233&highlight=1650You have to cut your fleet in by about a third and as well you should allow slavery considering it is quite profitable.

I found it! My old 1650's factbook, it needs a few tweeks to it........

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532233&highlight=1650
Yeah if you need any slaves I have plenty to sell. Also, I don't think you control all of those cities just by looking at the map.

Yeah my bad, she is a princess, I'll fix that.Good then, and as a wedding gift from Christain's shall be a Man-O-War and also three thousand Nesian slaves.

Good then, and as a wedding gift from Christain's shall be a Man-O-War and also three thousand Nesian slaves.
Cool, do you want to make an IC post about the marriage?

Cool, do you want to make an IC post about the marriage?Sure in my factbook.

OK,this is a thread I made for 1650

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12966710

it is kind of diplomacy/trade put together

You have to cut your fleet in by about a third and as well you should allow slavery considering it is quite profitable.

Yeah, but now I also own britian, but your right. As for the slavery, im in the midst of deciding about it.

Would someone mind giving me a rough estimate of what my population should be?

Would someone mind giving me a rough estimate of what my population should be?Ukraine: 5.2 million
Northern Turkey: 3.4 million
Cascuses: 2.8 million
Southern Russia: 4.2 million
Romania: 2.5 million
Bulgaria: 2.7 million
Greece: 2.1 million
Macedonia: 450,000
Serbia: 920,000
Montenegro: 530,000
Northern Libya: 600,000
Brazil Colonies: 720,000

How old are they? One of my princesses is 17 and then the other two are 13 so they won't be ready for marriage for a couple of years.

High Prince Thalin is only 19 and his son is just a few months old

I guess he's out of the picture then

High Prince Thalin is only 19 and his son is just a few months old

I guess he's out of the picture then
If you want to wait 3 or 4 years then he could marry Princess Maria, he would only be 6 years older than her.

As all my other RPs I am involved in have died out completely on NS.. I lay claim to

Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afhganistan, and Northern India (All if your generous)

I'll have a factbook up soon.. if you would just figure out my population for me please.

As all my other RPs I am involved in have died out completely on NS.. I lay claim to

Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afhganistan, and Northern India (All if your generous)

I'll have a factbook up soon.. if you would just figure out my population for me please.

God DAMNIT! The second i decide to invade iraq someone has to go and claim it...

God DAMNIT! The second i decide to invade iraq someone has to go and claim it...

Stop whining Bush.

XD

Stop whining Bush.

XD

That is awsome! But seriously, I do not like being compared to a monkey.

That is awsome! But seriously, I do not like being compared to a monkey.

Think on the positive side. . . you're not just a monkey. . . you are a monkey that choked on a pretzel

:cool:

God DAMNIT! The second i decide to invade iraq someone has to go and claim it...

I know what you mean, I had planned on going after Iran. D:

Think on the positive side. . . you're not just a monkey. . . you are a monkey that choked on a pretzel

:cool:

Also very nice. But the main flaw in that is that, I am not male. So therfore I am not only being compared to a primate, I am also being compared to a *shudders* male being.

Also very nice. But the main flaw in that is that, I am not male. So therfore I am not only being compared to a primate, I am also being compared to a *shudders* male being.

There are women. . . on NS???


*gasps*

Also very nice. But the main flaw in that is that, I am not male. So therfore I am not only being compared to a primate, I am also being compared to a *shudders* male being.

A woman?

ON TEH INTARNETZ!?

BLASPHEMY!

A woman?

ON TEH INTARNETZ!?

BLASPHEMY!

I know! And I thought that we only had Yanks, Limeys, and Aussies here!

Nooooooooo they found our secret hiding space, it is only a matter of time before it is invaded!!!!!

I know! And I thought that we only had Yanks, Limeys, and Aussies here!

Nooooooooo they found our secret hiding space, it is only a matter of time before it is invaded!!!!!

O dont worry, we are all around here already! I will probably be beaten for betraying our secret.

Think positive....with us sexy girls on the interwebz, you guys might actaully learn a thing or two. ;)

O dont worry, we are all around here already! I will probably be beaten for betraying our secret.

Think positive....with us sexy girls on the interwebz, you guys might actaully learn a thing or two. ;)

Ah, sexy girls on NS, now you're pushing it.

Ah, sexy girls on NS, now you're pushing it.

Get on your MSN and you shall be enlightened.

Get on your MSN and you shall be enlightened.

I'm not at my PC. . . i am usinf someone else's

I'm not at my PC. . . i am usinf someone else's
:mad: Damnit... well i still added you.

:mad: Damnit... well i still added you.

When i get to my house. . . i will talk 2 u, or try to.

Well, i gotta go now.

When i get to my house. . . i will talk 2 u, or try to.

Well, i gotta go now.

Bye

And.. am I accepted or not? Lol

And.. am I accepted or not? Lol

Most likly. But be aware, I am going to take Iraq from you by any means necessary.

If he accepts, I will outpopulate you about 4:1, be contiguous, and have many more recources then you. Hmm.

And Ontarium. Your in a very strategic spot. I might be able to give you a prince/princess. Neo Persia.

Eh... personally, I'm caught between wanting to take the rest of free Turkey and move south into Syria, Jordan and Israel thereafter... or invading Northern Iran..

Decisions, decisions...

Edit: Marriage, you say? That'd certainly be worthwhile.

Edit 2: Bear in mind also that in this point of history, European nations have the most advanced armies in the world, so it'd be best not to provoke them, yes?

Yup. My capital is going to be in Iran or Pakistan somewhere(More then likely Iran) so an alliance would be beneficial to me. For you.. well you'd have a bunch of people at your back if someone invaded.

EDIT: I am basing my army of the Ottoman army. And.. we can have w/e we want in our armies right? I mean Hababurg Shakal/Nords have A bunch of Spain's near invincible Pike/Musket combination so I assume that, that dosn't matter too much. IF it does.. I will have some fun.

Hey this is awesome. I've been following the posts and I'd love to get in this. Is that alright with you guys?

If I can join, could someone post a new version of the map, I've noticed no one has posted it in a while and I would like to know which areas are still up for grabs. I'd like to take the territories around Moscow and St. Petersburg as my homeland with an empire extending into the Urals with colonies in Eastern Coastal Canada and a piece of land in Morrocco if that's okay. Is that too much, too little?

Yup. My capital is going to be in Iran or Pakistan somewhere(More then likely Iran) so an alliance would be beneficial to me. For you.. well you'd have a bunch of people at your back if someone invaded.

EDIT: I am basing my army of the Ottoman army. And.. we can have w/e we want in our armies right? I mean Hababurg Shakal/Nords have A bunch of Spain's near invincible Pike/Musket combination so I assume that, that dosn't matter too much. IF it does.. I will have some fun.

o_o

Huh? I thought they were just debating the usefulness of Pikemen earlier, I didn't know they actually proclaimed the Spanish combo.

Ah well, whatever.

But onto the topic of marriage, the current Emperor of my nation is both underage (16) and already engaged, that leaves his little brother (15) and his two sisters (12 and 9) left.

Your call.

Ont, you have a TG my friend.

Oh and the Kola Penisula and Belarus.

Hey this is awesome. I've been following the posts and I'd love to get in this. Is that alright with you guys?

If I can join, could someone post a new version of the map, I've noticed no one has posted it in a while and I would like to know which areas are still up for grabs. I'd like to take the territories around Moscow and St. Petersburg as my homeland with an empire extending into the Urals with colonies in Eastern Coastal Canada and a piece of land in Morrocco if that's okay. Is that too much, too little?

Thats fine. Ill try and update it.

Yeah, that is how Spain was able to dominate Europa until the treaty of.... christ I can't remember. It caused hell for the natives too.

I'll take whoever your willing to give. I want to try to convince your Emperor to support me in some other types of fun.

Ont, you have a TG my friend.

Eh? TG?

*Is a dumbass*

Well, you can have the little brother, because if this new guy wants to claim Russia, I'm going to need an ally to help me tear it out of his hands.

Oh, this'll be fun... >=D

Pop up another browsers and go to nationstates. Log in, and then look down the task bar to the far left hand corner. You'll see it.

I read somewhere a while back that Russia's population was about 10 million in 1600 and 15.5 million by 1725. So since I only control northern Russia I think it should be less than 10 million, but at the same time since it's 1650 now, maybe my homeland's population should be around 8 or 9 million? I'm sorry I'm new to this.

I took the libety of updating the map. I hope it is satisfactory.

Mapage (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4ziwymb)

hrmmm

Eh? TG?

*Is a dumbass*

Well, you can have the little brother, because if this new guy wants to claim Russia, I'm going to need an ally to help me tear it out of his hands.

Oh, this'll be fun... >=D

Can there be no peace between the Cossack people of the Rus? Is there anyway we can reach a peaceful resolution?

Pop up another browsers and go to nationstates. Log in, and then look down the task bar to the far left hand corner. You'll see it.

Got it, responded.

Can there be no peace between the Cossack people of the Rus? Is there anyway we can reach a peaceful resolution?

Well, if I'm satisfied with my conquests in Turkey, Syria and the holy lands (which I probably won't be) then... yes, for a time.

But be warned, with the Russian heartland claimed, there is little room left to expand, and I won't be the only border you'll have to look to.

Hey all, if this is still open I would really like to join. I know this looks like my first post but I've had other nations, but they've been deleted cuz I forgot. :(


My claim would be Belarus, part of Poland, Victoria Island, and the area around Seattle in RL US. Its the light blue a smidget lighter than that of the claim for Britain and the US Colonies.

If that is acceptable, I will have a factbook up momentarily.

Here's the map from yesterday, I believe, adding my claims.

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/8807/1650worldmapwithmeqo6.th.png (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1650worldmapwithmeqo6.png)

Now im worried about Middle Eastern Imperialism.... :p

Dun Dun Dun.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12970480#post12970480

Here's my factbook.

Oh, and uh...

HERE BE DRAGONS.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=535759

As all my other RPs I am involved in have died out completely on NS.. I lay claim to

Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afhganistan, and Northern India (All if your generous)

I'll have a factbook up soon.. if you would just figure out my population for me please.You may not have northern India due to your claim already being quite large, in terms of population mostly, so I cannot give you northern India as at the same time that area is likely desired by someone else.:(

You may not have northern India due to your claim already being quite large, in terms of population mostly, so I cannot give you northern India as at the same time that area is likely desired by someone else.:(

BTW Scan,I kinda took over your role while you were off. I updated the map on either the last page of the one before. :p

Stop whining Bush.

XDHere is the current mental chart of the world:

Me
NSers
Steven Hawkins
The Fonz
Nerds
Geeks
Idiots
Morons
Jocks
Valley Girls
Monkies
Texans
Gerbals
Bush
One Cell Organisms

Here is the current mental chart of the world:

Me
NSers
Steven Hawkins
The Fonz
Nerds
Geeks
Idiots
Morons
Jocks
Valley Girls
Monkies
Texans
Gerbals
Bush
One Cell Organisms

But you fogot me... Im at least above The Fonz... Im like his sexier female double! and i cant believe you forgot Il Ruffino! He is at least above Texans...

Why isn't it letting me post my link to my factbook? How did you guys do it?

Do you mind if I join in on the fun too?

I'd like that bit of Poland still left over as well as Victoria Island in N.A. and the area around Seattle.

Acceptable?

Most likly. But be aware, I am going to take Iraq from you by any means necessary.

Shak, you'll need a coalition though. . .

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12970480#post12970480

Here's my factbook.You have to cut your Morrocan population down to about 1.5 million.

I'm thinking of expanding into Spain
Anybody care to join the hunt?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12966710

my diplomacy thread.

People, please post in it

I'm thinking of expanding into Spain
Anybody care to join the hunt?
I was actually thinking of sending you a tg about that, but you could sweep in through the Pyrenees and the eastern coast and I can come in from the west.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12966710

my diplomacy thread.

People, please post in it
I am going to post something in a bit.

I was actually thinking of sending you a tg about that, but you could sweep in through the Pyrenees and the eastern coast and I can come in from the west.

Perfect, I want control of the north and west of the country, while you can take the West and South. Does this arrangement suit?

I also would want some hand in Gibralter

Perfect, I want control of the north and west of the country, while you can take the West and South. Does this arrangement suit?

I also would want some hand in Gibralter
Gibraltar is controlled by Shakal, but basically I want Galicia, (since they speak a language very similar to Portuguese there), Andalucia, part of Castile-La-Mancha and Extremadura, you can have the rest.

Here (http://www.top-tour-of-spain.com/images/new_regions.jpg) is a map of Spain's provinces.

I am going to post something in a bit.

@NT Can I say that you have 1/8 of the foreign zone?

@NT Can I say that you have 1/8 of the foreign zone?
Yeah, I mean the foreign zone is huge, so 1/8 is fine.

Alversia will attack Navarre, Basque, Aragon, Catalonia, La Rioja, Valenican, Murcia and Andalucia. The rest is yours.

I took the libety of updating the map. I hope it is satisfactory.

Mapage (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4ziwymb)

I'm not allowed to have Northen India or India? :(

EDIT: And on the note of your invasion of Spain (No Tax, and Alv) it is going to be difficult as Spain had one of the most modern armies around at the time. Not too mention a damn good land army defense on both sides.

The Glorious Russian Empire is despatching a fleet of seven frigates and two sloops, carrying roughly two hundred and fifty imperial Russian soldiers to make landfall in Hawaii. We're expecting heavy native resistance and plan to thoroughly bombard the islands with cannon fire before setting foot on land to finish off any and all native resistance.

I'll be opening a seperate thread soon.

I was wondering if the Nordic Empire and/or Carloginias would like to arrange a royal marriage with one of my many children. I might add that Peter I, joint heir to the Russian throne, is still available to marriage.

We can do that. I am also marrying into Ontarium's family. I can offer an Indian/Persian princess.