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Yea, I am having some real problems here. Wanderjar, there are 240 missiles screaming at Mach 11.8 for your fleet. This is also still more missiles than you have ships, and CIWS is as of now virtually uselss due to the speed of the missiles, and their angle of attack, which is near vertical. Also, unless you have also got Khans, I am well out of range.

Also, if you are shooting your missiles of Toopoxican territory, Kampfers, the chances that they are not all downed by Toops' anti-missile systems are slim to none.

BC, I'm not shooting them over toops territory. Im shooting them dead on from the West at Visas fleet.

And Visa, "Moments later his plane was on fire and headed towards the Kampfers flagship" aint gonna cut it, as my "flagship" is currently diving under the sea. as a matter of fact, my "flagship", isn't a "ship" at all, rather a submarine.

And Visa, "Moments later his plane was on fire and headed towards the Kampfers flagship" aint gonna cut it, as my "flagship" is currently diving under the sea. as a matter of fact, my "flagship", isn't a "ship" at all, rather a submarine.

So he hits the water, then.

BC, I'm not shooting them over toops territory. Im shooting them dead on from the south at Visas fleet.

And Visa, "Moments later his plane was on fire and headed towards the Kampfers flagship" aint gonna cut it, as my "flagship" is currently diving under the sea. as a matter of fact, my "flagship", isn't a "ship" at all, rather a submarine.

You are going to have to RP them moving to the south then, which Toops and myself will likely try to stop from happening, as you are going to have to travel all the way a round a continent to do sso.

Considering, therefore, that my YF-12s' attack on the Binarian submarines was ignored, I'm just going to ignore Wanderjar's attack on them, then, since they apparently weren't there. Which, coincedentally, means that Kampfers didn't track them, and didn't find my fleet by that method.

You are going to have to RP them moving to the south then, which Toops and myself will likely try to stop from happening, as you are going to have to travel all the way a round a continent to do sso.

I'm horrible at directions, I meant west. And thats the direction they came from. Whereas all the other people were at the southeast, I moved my subs into the Circle on my 1st post from the west.

If they're screaming straight in, Blackhelm, then they are going to be easy to intercept. Just need to react fast.

Considering, therefore, that my YF-12s' attack on the Binarian submarines was ignored, I'm just going to ignore Wanderjar's attack on them, then, since they apparently weren't there. Which, coincedentally, means that Kampfers didn't track them, and didn't find my fleet by that method.

You don't need to track planes to find your fleet. Your fleet could show up on RADAR, SONAR, or I could see your fleet in my constant OBSAT surveillance sweeps. And when did I ever mention tracking your aircraft?

You don't need to track planes to find your fleet. Your fleet could show up on RADAR, SONAR, or I could see your fleet in my constant OBSAT surveillance sweeps. And when did I ever mention tracking your aircraft?

It doesn't matter, since 1010102 RP'd his ships getting hit. I'm pieceing a post together now.

If they're screaming straight in, Blackhelm, then they are going to be easy to intercept. Just need to react fast.

Really, really fast. Mach 11.8 moving across 800km. Not possible.

And they are not straight in, they go up then down.

Really, really fast. Mach 11.8 moving across 800km. Not possible.

And they are not straight in, they go up then down.

I had time because i put a CAP between our fleets.

Actually, they can be knocked out. But not by CWIS, I agree to that...

Check this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12886933&postcount=23

Wanderjar has no ship comparable to what Questers just deployed there.

Wanderjar has no ship comparable to what Questers just deployed there.

Like I just said, not by CWIS.

Really, really fast. Mach 11.8 moving across 800km. Not possible.

*cough* 3 minutes *cough*

Oh, and your going to have more trouble with those Roufus missiles than you RPed VISA.

Your Phalanx CWIS wouldn't be that effective, as they have very short ranges and the Rufous has a radar jamming thingy. And since when do RL US ships have laser defenses?

Oh, and did you forget about fluid time when you sent out your last fleet VISA? 5 minutes after sending it out they arrived...

Blackhelm, remember you can't launch Khans from just any old sort of ship because of their length and weight. You need seriously sized ships to be able to launch them as they aren't the usual 'throw around' ASM's.


edit: But yes, you can't shoot down Khan missiles unless your chucking nukes overboard or using PMT wanky lasers.

Blackhelm, remember you can't launch Khans from just any old sort of ship because of their length and weight. You need seriously sized ships to be able to launch them as they aren't the usual 'throw around' ASM's.

I know, I am using the Kraken and the Homeland Class ships, which I have upgraded to carry Khans instead of regular missiles.

I know, I am using the Kraken and the Homeland Class ships, which I have upgraded to carry Khans instead of regular missiles.

Ah right you could carry them on a Kraken yes, you need vessels like 400 metres + really to carry them. And Kampfers, Questers in that post has several hundred ships and a specialised ship specifically designed for air defence.

Ah right you could carry them on a Kraken yes, you need vessels like 400 metres + really to carry them. And Kampfers, Questers in that post has several hundred ships and a specialised ship specifically designed for air defence.

Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying that they CAN be shot down, whereas his previous claim was that they couldn't be.

Oh, and your going to have more trouble with those Roufus missiles than you RPed VISA.

Your Phalanx CWIS wouldn't be that effective, as they have very short ranges and the Rufous has a radar jamming thingy. And since when do RL US ships have laser defenses?

They're upgraded. All power rerouts to the lasers when they fire, which is fine, since the ships weren't moving anyway.

EDIT: Also, it's CIWS, not CWIS.

VISA, 200 Roufus Missiles would destroy the fleet of your size it would probably destroy it with No Suriviors.

You have 36 Ships in your fleet, Kampf fired 200 Roufus Missiles the maths is simple each of your ships would have around 5 Missiles each coming at them yes you could shoot a few of them down but your looking at least 3 hits per Ship and thats if you where to be lucky? Roufus was designed as a Anti Superdreadnought Missile hence the "Cheap Khan" as a nickname?

VISA, 200 Roufus Missiles would destroy the fleet of your size it would probably destroy it with No Suriviors.

You have 36 Ships in your fleet, Kampf fired 200 Roufus Missiles the maths is simple each of your ships would have around 5 Missiles each coming at them yes you could shoot a few of them down but your looking at least 3 hits per Ship and thats if you where to be lucky? Roufus was designed as a Anti Superdreadnought Missile hence the "Cheap Khan" as a nickname?

What's done is done, I have no desire to change it.

Im not asking you to as im not involved, Just wanted to point it out thats all.

What's done is done, I have no desire to change it.

In that case your getting a total ignore from me.

What makes you think a Kahn can't be shot down, Clandonia?

In that case your getting a total ignore from me.

Look, what do you want from me?

Look, what do you want from me?

For you to change that post to something realistic.

For you to change that post to something realistic.

Which point of view of realism, yours or mine?

My government is staying neutral but my terrorists are defending Toops. Any attack on my government *not the terrorrists* will be taken as an act of war. *Some NPE nation is gonna wanna attack me I bet*

What makes you think a Kahn can't be shot down, Clandonia?

Because I'm vaguely realistic and I didn't say it was impossible.

*quietly edits post*

Kampfers, you ought to be okay with this. I'm not going to sink my whole fleet, however.

*quietly edits post*

Kampfers, you ought to be okay with this. I'm not going to sink my whole fleet, however.

well it ain't perfect but its a lot better. The only other thing I'd push for is an indirect hit on a second carrier, not doing much to it, it just makes the aim more realistic since they were my main targets...

well it ain't perfect but its a lot better. The only other thing I'd push for is an indirect hit on a second carrier, not doing much to it, it just makes the aim more realistic since they were my main targets...

Which? The one the admiral was in?

I gotta agree with Blackhelm. Such amount of Khans should cause some serious damage. 80 Khans per ship which he used should be rather safe bet for getting all 4 kills. In that engagement of Questers-gholgoth war which link was posted here 200 Allanean Khans killed 5 Questerian ships. That makes 40 per ship. And I am pretty sure that Questers has a better anti-missile defences then Wanderjar.

Yea, I am having some real problems here. Wanderjar, there are 240 missiles screaming at Mach 11.8 for your fleet.

240? I counted 320.

Fear not, Leafanistan, I will rescue your character. At any cost.

OOC: Blackhelm, I don't believe missiles can realistically travel that fast. Unless I'm mistaken, a missile like that requires scram jets, and would require atmospheric deployment (i.e since I suck at descriptions, being fired vertically and travelling into the atmosphere), but even then it would max out at the most Mach 6 perhaps seven. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, because believe me when it comes to Naval Warfare I don't know everything, but I've never heard of anything like that before. If it is, then I'll replace this post with something In character, but if not, please edit it then I'll make the relevent IC posting. Thanks.


Reiterating my question here.

Fear not, Leafanistan, I will rescue your character. At any cost.

First you have to get to my SD, through my fleet. Then you have to find him, but he will probably be dead.

I think the Kriegzimmer storefront describes Khans as going Mach 11. We can only go by what we have.

First you have to get to my SD, through my fleet. Then you have to find him, but he will probably be dead.

*clears throat and waits for Binary to read Leaf's post*

*clears throat and waits for Binary to read Leaf's post*

I posted my response.

And me in return.

Reiterating my question here.

Liquid fueled (LOX/LH2) rocket. Its effectively a ballistic missile delivering a guided antiship payload.

And me in return.

Yo dude. Sorry I haven't replied to your attack yet, but I'm busy. You can't launch a whole nother attack. I'm still working on my reply to the first!

OK, as of my last post I have some 2K FA-15E fighters challenging Toops' local fighters to a party, and also 500 more of those sweeping SW over somebody's fleet (Leaf?:confused:). Now aside from the cruises at Toops' now quite-pwnt capital area airfields, I haven't launched missiles at anyone just yet; but who else besides Toops' leftover forces should I be engaging now in my next post considering movements and all since I was last on?

OK, as of my last post I have some 2K FA-15E fighters challenging Toops' local fighters to a party, and also 500 more of those sweeping SW over somebody's fleet (Leaf?:confused:). Now aside from the cruises at Toops' now quite-pwnt capital area airfields, I haven't launched missiles at anyone just yet; but who else besides Toops' leftover forces should I be engaging now in my next post considering movements and all since I was last on?

TG coming shortly.

OK, as of my last post I have some 2K FA-15E fighters challenging Toops' local fighters to a party, and also 500 more of those sweeping SW over somebody's fleet (Leaf?:confused:). Now aside from the cruises at Toops' now quite-pwnt capital area airfields, I haven't launched missiles at anyone just yet; but who else besides Toops' leftover forces should I be engaging now in my next post considering movements and all since I was last on?

Leftover???

And besides you must have sorely depleted your ammo stocks attempting to swipe my airfields from the earth seeing as they're defended heavily by THEL and CIWS, I do not take my nations defence lightly.

Leftover???

And besides you must have sorely depleted your ammo stocks attempting to swipe my airfields from the earth seeing as they're defended heavily by THEL and CIWS, I do not take my nations defence lightly.
True, very true. But, damage done is done IIRC, and that was my subs' stash anyway. More can be sent (and will ;)) from my surface ships.

By 'leftover' I mean your land-based fighters and air defenses, unless there are a few ships left I can pwn too of course. My next IC will take a bit since I need to think over what loadout options my Cardinals are using, but those near your coast will be carrying both AAMs and ARMs for general counter-air work against SAMs or fighters.

Lastly, Kampf, TG seen and replied to. Thanks.

Reiterating my question here.

You're rather sorely underestimating just how fast something can be. Back in the 70s, the US had developed an ABM that hit something like Mach 20 less than a minute after takeoff.

Of course, that was for only short periods of time...

Khan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11984706&postcount=1674) is as far as I know considered best of all anti-ship missiles. For comparison it costs about 50 times more than Rufous. I don't know how fastly missiles can go, im not expert in such things, but I find it hard to believe that Kahns would be so widely accepted(by people like Macabees and Questers) if they would be completely unrealistic.

Yo dude. Sorry I haven't replied to your attack yet, but I'm busy. You can't launch a whole nother attack. I'm still working on my reply to the first!

Well, then just ignore the first, since I didn't really plan on hitting anything anyway.

And 1010102, why are you ignoring me?

You're rather sorely underestimating just how fast something can be. Back in the 70s, the US had developed an ABM that hit something like Mach 20 less than a minute after takeoff.

Of course, that was for only short periods of time...

You're probably thinking of the Sprint missile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_%28missile%29), that hits Mach 10 in five seconds.

Well, then just ignore the first, since I didn't really plan on hitting anything anyway.

And 1010102, why are you ignoring me?

Ok, making a reply now.

What exactly is this Dr. Hell system? A high-energy laser?

And how exactly do some like, 48 submarines (?) fire 6,400 missiles?

What exactly is this Dr. Hell system? A high-energy laser?

And how exactly do some like, 48 submarines (?) fire 6,400 missiles?

Yep its wank just like yours! LOL.

Its called 50 VLS cells, 5 missiles per cell. You do the math. I already did.

Yep its wank just like yours! LOL.

Its called 50 VLS cells, 5 missiles per cell. You do the math. I already did.

er 80 cells. Its in dmg storefront.

Yep its wank just like yours! LOL.

Its called 50 VLS cells, 5 missiles per cell. You do the math. I already did.

I guess I'll just have to wank back.

Olmedreca;12888694']Khan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11984706&postcount=1674) is as far as I know considered best of all anti-ship missiles. For comparison it costs about 50 times more than Rufous. I don't know how fastly missiles can go, im not expert in such things, but I find it hard to believe that Kahns would be so widely accepted(by people like Macabees and Questers) if they would be completely unrealistic.

This would have been almost my exact answer.

I wouldn't say it's the all-around best. It's really overkill and not terribly cost-effective.

I am going to respond to the Binarian and Wanderjarian attacks after Wanderjar responds appropriatley to the Khans.

And thanks, it is 320, not 240, I am terribly poor in math.

Is it just me or this this becoming a wankfest?

Is it just me or this this becoming a wankfest?

Well, I normally don't use lasers, but since you did, I figured I could. As for the tons of Rufous missiles, thats how DMG makes his shit. Thats why I am changing my fleet. However, I can't use it for this RP as it is currently under construction.

Is it just me or this this becoming a wankfest?

No |:I It's perfect as is dude.

Well, I normally don't use lasers, but since you did, I figured I could. As for the tons of Rufous missiles, thats how DMG makes his shit. Thats why I am changing my fleet. However, I can't use it for this RP as it is currently under construction.

A lot of people consider DMG a major techwank going beyond anything reasonable. But most people don't complain unless you use the invisible ships using magical propulsion systems that run on unicorn blood.

What exactly is this Dr. Hell system? A high-energy laser?

High Energy Liquid Lser Missile Defnse- H.E.L.LM.D.- MD= Dr. so Dr. Hell. find more infor at DMG's storefront.

and I'm am designing new ships to take over the roles that DMG's filled.

High Energy Liquid Lser Missile Defnse- H.E.L.LM.D.- MD= Dr. so Dr. Hell. find more infor at DMG's storefront.

and I'm am designing new ships to take over the roles that DMG's filled.

Yeah, I figured that out already.

I still think 90cm armor and 80 VLS tubes is just way too much.

Yeah, I figured that out already.

I still think 90cm armor and 80 VLS tubes is just way too much.

exactly why im never using these again. But you can't complain. People on your own side are using DMG's stuff...

Also, just be glad I didn't bring in my whole fleets of DMG stuff and just sent the subs...

Yeah, I figured that out already.

I still think 90cm armor and 80 VLS tubes is just way too much.

The 90 cm of armo is directed at me.

Welcome to NS naval warfare. This class is 110 meters longer than the Iowa class. They had about a half a meter at the thickest. the 90 cm is the deck armor. and we have about 70 cm at the thinnest. so when a ships is over 350 ft longer than the Iowa, it can have more armor. NS superdreads can have more than 2 or 3 meters of armor in their armor belts. The Iowa was also almost 4 times lighter than this ship.

High Energy Liquid Lser Missile Defnse- H.E.L.LM.D.- MD= Dr. so Dr. Hell. find more infor at DMG's storefront.

Any relation to THEL?

Any relation to THEL?

not that I know. have to ask DMG on that one.

Hell, were doing all this laser wank shit... Why can't I use Excalibur :(

Yeah, this is exactly why most people will ignore lasers...

not that I know. have to ask DMG on that one.

No, but it sounds like HELLADS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HELLADS).

High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System.

Hell, were doing all this laser wank shit... Why can't I use Excalibur :(

Yeah, this is exactly why most people will ignore lasers...

Like from Ace Combat?

Like from Ace Combat?

Yeah, essentially. I had it for a month, maybe two, then I got rid of it cuz it was wanky. Same reason I am redoing most of my army. According to the draftroom, its wanky...

Yeah, essentially. I had it for a month, maybe two, then I got rid of it cuz it was wanky. Same reason I am redoing most of my army. According to the draftroom, its wanky...

Bah. Worldview is pointless.

Oh, and, you may wish to watch my next post, when I post it...

Hell, were doing all this laser wank shit... Why can't I use Excalibur :(

Yeah, this is exactly why most people will ignore lasers...

I like Lasers, they add something to combat which makes it seem more like PMT, do you reckon WWI Tech wars would be as fun if you wern't allowed Tanks because they were a "Wankish Experimental Tech"

You'll just have to try and find a way around the lasers man, just like the Generals in WWI had to find a way to replace their now obselete Cavalry units.

The Griffncrest fleet was still far out of range of both the Binarian and Wanderjarian fleets, and stopped their advance when they saw they enemy fleets closing. It would be quite some time for the Prussian fleets to cross the 800 kilometers from their positions to those of the Griffincrest fleet, and the gap would soon be widened as the Griffincrest vessels began moving rearwards, hoping to draw the Binarians even further away from the rest of their allies, and thus away from the protective CIWS shield.

At a time deemed sufficient by Admiral Ironclaw, when the Binarian fleet far enough away from their friends yet still well out of firing frange of the Corporate vessels, the order was given to fire another salvo of Khan missiles at them. Their fleet, now weakend and lacking the CIWS it had previously, a consequence of losing ships, and having the Thunder Hound badly weakened, meaning that it was likely that full power was not given to the ship and so they would be less quick to react, would soon experience another barrage, this time of three hundred Khans.

Just as they were about to fire, however, thousands of tiny metal fragments began to shower the fleet, killing and wounding several sailors on deck, unprepared for what was falling on them. These twelve sailors would be the first Griffincrest casualties of the war here.

"What the hell is that, I want a report immediatly" Ironclaw ordered to one of his lackeys, who soon came back with a report that it was once a godrod, targeted for the Luxuria, however the Griffincrest space fleet had been monitoring all NPE satelites for just such an event and destroyed it shortly after launch.

Ironclaw was in shock "...a godrod..they have just brought this conflict to a new level....order the fleet to bombard the Kampferian homeland, and issue a total war on their satelites. Leave the rest, only Kampferian assets are to be attacked."

And with that order, hundreds of Godrods began to fall upon the capitol city of Kampfers. Orbital war was one thing that Griffincrest was quite good at, and its fleet of solar sailors was well versed in its tactics. Dozens of the solar sailors soon began appearing, as well as missile satelites, and they all began targetting the Kampferian satelites indiscriminantly, regardless if it was a military, intelligence, or television satelite. The Kampferians would soon regret ever sending god rods towards the Griffincrest fleet.

How would you know it was mine? I bought it from Leafy a few days ago. And by fluid time, it was still in orbit. It would have come from one of your allies satellites not one of mine...

As I said, my space fleet monitors NPE satelites, and LEaf would have notified Griffincrest of the purchase.

I'm calling shenaggians(sp)

Is that even a normally excepted thing to do?

As I said, my space fleet monitors NPE satelites, and LEaf would have notified Griffincrest of the purchase.

I'm calling shenaggians(sp)

As I said, my space fleet monitors NPE satelites, and LEaf would have notified Griffincrest of the purchase.

Uhhh, it says everything is Secret IC and I bought them before the war borke out.

Is that even a normally excepted thing to do?

nope. its all me.

Oh, and, you may wish to watch my next post, when I post it...

Never mind, I had to delete that bit.

You'll see soon.

How would you know it was mine? I bought it from Leafy a few days ago. And by fluid time, it was still in orbit. It would have come from one of your allies satellites not one of mine...

You bought them from the Glorious Republic of Leafanistan, under the rule of the Triumvirate Council of the Revolutionary Government.

The Leafy that you see fighting you is the Republic of the Red Islands, under the rule of the Mafia. This sorta dichotomy happened after I helped the CA so much I actually got territory. Combined with a crackdown on crime in Leafanistan, they moved their operations into their own sovereign country.

You bought ballistic missiles that launches a microsatellite. That thing only has an endurance of about 50 hours in LEO, and only 24 hours in GEO. You have to launch them at least that long ago. And there would be no mistake they were launched from Kampfers or whereever you have ballistic missiles.

I didn't sell you launch sites or anything.

Hell, were doing all this laser wank shit... Why can't I use Excalibur :(

Yeah, this is exactly why most people will ignore lasers...

Lasers are not inherently wanky, as they are applicable in various situations.

Surface to surface lasers are not one of these situations as the problems are too great to overcome.

You might wish to note that the JSF is scheduled to recieve a 1 MW solid-state laser in 2010.

Kampfers, Binaria, response?

Kampfers, Binaria, response?

Unlike some people, I actually do other things on the internet than play NS. As such, I have the time to write a small OOC post, but not always (like now), a long IC post.

Unlike some people, I actually do other things on the internet than play NS. As such, I have the time to write a small OOC post, but not always (like now), a long IC post.

So you admit you've lost this one while making an excuse equivalent to "I have a life." even though it's spent on the computer?

So you admit you've lost this one while making an excuse equivalent to "I have a life." even though it's spent on the computer?

Eh, if I had a car, I'd be gone... When my sister moves out later this year, my time on the computer will be drastically less.

Wanderjar, how many planes are in your force?

Blackhelm, did you fire or not?

Blackhelm, did you fire or not?

I did.

As a note before you attack Maldorians, the Death Watch is a terrorism for hire group that uses mostly Maldorian citizens. Maldorians has nothing to do with this besides being the guy who RPs them.

As a note before you attack Maldorians, the Death Watch is a terrorism for hire group that uses mostly Maldorian citizens. Maldorians has nothing to do with this besides being the guy who RPs them.

Dont worry

Wanderjar, how many planes are in your force?

Any response? I'm waiting.

Wanderjar, how many planes are in your force?


around 600 before the arrival of Battlefleet Wanderjar.


Now? Around 2,000. And sorry for the wait, I was AFK for a bit.

Still no response to my attacks on Kampfers nor the Binarian fleet...am I being ignored?

around 600 before the arrival of Battlefleet Wanderjar.


Now? Around 2,000. And sorry for the wait, I was AFK for a bit.

But how many were attacking my crippled fleet? Just the 600?

Still no response to my attacks on Kampfers nor the Binarian fleet...am I being ignored?

QFT.

And me, too.

Or all you all just busy?

Still no response to my attacks on Kampfers nor the Binarian fleet...am I being ignored?

OOC: My guess is that he stepped out to let someone ghostwrite for him. Ekranoplanes, Chimeras, Khans. He has been getting the brunt of our rage for some reason.

Encrypted Message to Allies

We're sending in even more ships. Another three more Superdreadnaught battlegroups, and another 108-ship fleet, which we are now dubbing "The Force".

And more bombers yet.

The next fleet of 108 ships arrived, about 100 km away from the Wanderjar fleet.

In turn, the massive Super Dreadnaught battlegroups arrived. The SDs, VISA's finest homemade ships, the Chupacabra class, moved towards the Wanderjar fleet, about 250 km off.

Meanwhile, the original five Tu-160s had been refueled and rearmed, as well as thirty-five more Tu-160s. They all departed and dropped their payload of five Chimeras each onto the Wanderjar fleet, hoping to catch them by surprise. Two hundered Chimeras acquired their targets and engaged, hitting Mach 10.

From a distance, the hundred and eight ships fired a total of 1,200 Chimeras at the Wanderjar fleet.

OOC: and the new order of battle.
108-ship fleet:
9 Nimitz-class Aircraft Carriers
9 Wasp-class Amphibious Assault Ships
12 Type 212 Attack Subs
15 Alfa-class Attack Subs
18 Zumwalt-class Guided Missile Destroyers
27 CG(X) Guided Missile Cruisers
9 Perry-class Frigates
9 Milgem-class Corvettes

SuperDreadnaught Battlegroups:
3 Chupacabra-class SuperDreadnaughts
3 Invincible-class Light Carriers
27 Alfa-class Attack Subs
6 Zumwalt Guided Missile Destroyers
12 CG(X) Guided Missile Cruisers
18 K130 Corvettes

Dude, I totally just wiped out 3 fleets of yours. And really another had I been playing with someone on the draftroom. Nonetheless, i'm not sure you can assemble that fleet, and if you can, then fluid time wise it would take a while for it to arrive. You can't have it simply pop up.

Dude, I totally just wiped out 3 fleets of yours. And really another had I been playing with someone on the draftroom. Nonetheless, i'm not sure you can assemble that fleet, and if you can, then fluid time wise it would take a while for it to arrive. You can't have it simply pop up.

Forgive VISA Corp, he is a bit new at this, and needs some handling. Nevertheless, his fleet can still strike at long range with Khans. He should edit himself much farther away though.

QFT.

And me, too.

Or all you all just busy?

damn, didn't i already try and explain this? Also, now i am on my iphone, and typing anything long is a bitch.

OOC: My guess is that he stepped out to let someone ghostwrite for him. Ekranoplanes, Chimeras, Khans. He has been getting the brunt of our rage for some reason.

I had to take care of something in RL. im back and i've posted.

But how many were attacking my crippled fleet? Just the 600?

Around that number.

Forgive VISA Corp, he is a bit new at this, and needs some handling. Nevertheless, his fleet can still strike at long range with Khans. He should edit himself much farther away though.

Pushed 'em back.

But nothing else changes.

OOC: I'd like to thank the CA and a few nations that aren't in the CA for donating, all those damn missiles. Of course you flooded my telegram box with 'anonymous' donations but still, Thank you.

Especially one of you who donated your entire surplus of Khans to us early in the conflict. I never expected that much.

Also, I won't respond to that attack tonight, as you are sending them over Griffencrest's forces, so I'll have to wait until he takes a shot at it first before I take a whack at it.

Kampfers, it is quite easy to tell who fired the God Rod, as only one of those thousands of satelites will be dropping a GIGANTIC FUCKING PIECE OF METAL. All that we need to do is look at whose satelite it was.

Blackhelm and rest of CA. I noticed that you guys may be interested in getting some extra Khans really fast. So I could offer a deal, Olmedreca can immediately send 12,000 Khans to you(brought them from Kriegzimmer long before this conflict), as currently im not in any war I can allow such thing. But of course their price would be high as I would expect you to order 36,000 new ones(1-3 ratio) from Kriegzimmer to me. I could even make IC post(although it would be secret of course) in war thread about that if im allowed(im not part of NPE or CA so dont know about that).

edit: btw, it seems to me that those 80 Khans that Blackhelm sent aganist Shakal Hood sized ship(in same attack where he attacked wanderjar) have been forgotten.

only one of those thousands of satelites will be dropping a GIGANTIC FUCKING PIECE OF METAL.

That made my laugh my face off :P

Totally Sigged!!!

Kampfers, it is quite easy to tell who fired the God Rod, as only one of those thousands of satelites will be dropping a GIGANTIC FUCKING PIECE OF METAL. All that we need to do is look at whose satelite it was.

What I'm saying is that you've got to be kidding me to say that you have a satellite moitering every Kampferian satellite, Wagdogian satellite, Wanderjarian satellite, Binarian satellite, Shakalian satellite, etc. You wouldn't be right there, going, oh look, a god rod from a Kampferian satellite. It has been explained to me that there are 3 ways to destroy a god rod, and what you did was a massive godmode. And seeing as there are tons of NS nations, each with their own satellites, you would HAVE to calculate trajectory to figure out which one it was.

What I'm saying is that you've got to be kidding me to say that you have a satellite moitering every Kampferian satellite, Wagdogian satellite, Wanderjarian satellite, Binarian satellite, Shakalian satellite, etc. You wouldn't be right there, going, oh look, a god rod from a Kampferian satellite. It has been explained to me that there are 3 ways to destroy a god rod, and what you did was a massive godmode. And seeing as there are tons of NS nations, each with their own satellites, you would HAVE to calculate trajectory to figure out which one it was.

Excuse me for interrupting, but BC has allies, you know. And allies have satellites. Like Maldorians, Leafy, VISA, they have satellite's....;)

Excuse me for interrupting, but BC has allies, you know. And allies have satellites. Like Maldorians, Leafy, VISA, they have satellite's....;)

He never said he was using their satellites. And if he was, then how were they relaying orders to their men? You can't use every satellite to watch other peoples satellites, you need to have some for surveillence and communications of your own.

Sweet Jesus. Couldn't you guys just settle these things over a game of Starcraft?

What I'm saying is that you've got to be kidding me to say that you have a satellite moitering every Kampferian satellite, Wagdogian satellite, Wanderjarian satellite, Binarian satellite, Shakalian satellite, etc. You wouldn't be right there, going, oh look, a god rod from a Kampferian satellite. It has been explained to me that there are 3 ways to destroy a god rod, and what you did was a massive godmode. And seeing as there are tons of NS nations, each with their own satellites, you would HAVE to calculate trajectory to figure out which one it was.

...this is getting repetitive. You can't really hide in space, I have a few dozen satelites watching all the other ones, right? When one of the hundreds of satelites in the field of view of my satelite, or solar sailor, drops a massive piece of metal, we say "O look, that satelite fired, let's see who it was" then we see it is yours, and bam, you get your shit rocked.

Gallian Military Command Bunker, Under Slomsk

"Sir, Binarian fleet is retreating." A soldier walked in and saluted, he grabbed the attention of Commander Fallos who stared at the young man, the Commander turned back towards the map, removing a small model ship but grimacing when he saw the model plane chasing down the jets from Krhaus.
Indent"The enemy jets are over our SAM sites, correct?" There was a nod, "Rally our forces, bring the Hydra Air Force to bear."

++++

Skies Above Krhaus

"SHITSHITSHIT!!!" The pilot screamed, not only was he having to dodge fire from the enemy missiles but there was the inevitable few Toopoxican missiles headed towards the Air Force, "We're not gonna make it back, we need to face them down now!" He shouted down the radio hoping that if he turned to face the enemy then others would follow.
Indent"Roger that, receiving orders to Rally from Military command!" The Pilot swore lucky, his jet pulled sharply to turn once more facing the enemies missiles and bullets, he squeezed the trigger and let loose a stream of pure gold (OOC: ha ha |:l ) "Hydra force is moving in, let them have it guys!"

Operation Hydra/Red Rescue Naval Taskforces, Port Krhaus

Through the fog and thick smoke of the destroyed Binarian armada the Admiral could make out the flames and silhouettes of Krhaus and the docked Red Rescue Taskforce respectively, he was proud to see the fleet having survived this long but also worried at the damage having been taken and the amount of ships lost, "Admiral Sulief, this is Admiral Bruschev, we will be attempting to merge our fleets, you have been dismissed, good work Admiral."
IndentSulief rubbed the cut on his head and groaned, "With all due respect Admiral, I would like to continue my work on the PNS Baan."
Indent"Very well, but I'd feel safer if you had some rest, the Wagdog fleet is pacified for now but they seem to be regrouping and reloading for a renewed attack, I'd like to dispatch a few CK gas attacks before they arrive."
Umm... Otay... I iz being confused muchly here.:confused:

First, could you specify about how many of your fighters, be they Red Rescue or Hydra (I was targeting all of them, aloft or taking off), that I downed? It should be fairly high, considering they've got some 15K each of radar-guided and heat-seeking missiles inbound, or about twenty missiles per fighter overall last I checked your OOB. All missiles are BVR and I'm not shooting any gunfire at you; I made no visual-range attack since I regard that as a desperation or defensive move. In short, my attack was pure launch-and-leave in nature. By now, technically my planes are inbound on the carriers for landing (not all at once of course), and I dealt with losses to your SAMs in my post. We're well out of range of those by now, whichever fighters of yours choose to take on my carriers' point-defense interceptors chasing revenge of course.

Also, similar details for your fleet and land-based defense (SAMs and troops) losses to those cruise missiles of mine earlier plz? You can't expect me to believe that your relatively-small fleet just shrugged off three-hundred Mach 4 Rufous missiles, all designed to pwn supercapitals or at least do MAJOR penetration and damage in the face of supercapital (2000mm grade IIRC) armor, and a massed torpedo strike against the escorts defending you against said Rufous missiles, with negligible damage. Before I make any accusations, just tell me: about how many ships of yours should 150 533mm homing torps and 300 Mach 4 anti-supercapital missiles be reasonably expected to sink? Also, especially since I was specifically targeting the SAMs, surely at least some installations got hit; since even MTHEL and CIWS batteries don't have a 100% hit rate, agreed?

Thanks in advance for any and all info. Also, we probably need to repost our various OOBs since they're scattered about the IC thread or else Toops' own short-lived OOC. Mine is unchanged aside from the 27 sunk destroyers so far, and probably soon the 8 damaged since I may send them home for repairs depending on how badly I need them or not.

What I'm saying is that you've got to be kidding me to say that you have a satellite moitering every Kampferian satellite, Wagdogian satellite, Wanderjarian satellite, Binarian satellite, Shakalian satellite, etc. You wouldn't be right there, going, oh look, a god rod from a Kampferian satellite. It has been explained to me that there are 3 ways to destroy a god rod, and what you did was a massive godmode. And seeing as there are tons of NS nations, each with their own satellites, you would HAVE to calculate trajectory to figure out which one it was.

In real life, the US monitors every satellite, every PIECE of satellite, every nut and bolt, every dropped tool, and every paint fleck in orbit. Why would an NS nation not do the same?

In real life, the US monitors every satellite, every PIECE of satellite, every nut and bolt, every dropped tool, and every paint fleck in orbit. Why would an NS nation not do the same?

Thank you Axis Nova for clearing this up. If a nation with a tenth of the defense budget some of us have can do it, so can we. And probably better.

THEL's do have a 100% Hit rate which is odd, however there are no doubt some countermeasures which have been explored in PMT that havn't been in MT, okay, I'm not the best person at working out casualties so if anyone wants to help...

THEL's do have a 100% Hit rate which is odd, however there are no doubt some countermeasures which have been explored in PMT that havn't been in MT, okay, I'm not the best person at working out casualties so if anyone wants to help...
Sorry, rephrase needed. What I meant was, with some 300 Kh-555 missiles inbound, even with massive attrition from the lasers once they entered range, by the time the range was closed to detonation time there should still be a few cruises left to unleash their payloads on whatever (submunition warheads on the troop columns targeted, blast warheads on the SAM batteries). My bad.:headbang:

ooc: So is CA interested in Khan deal what I offered or not?

Olmedreca;12893195']ooc: So is CA interested in Khan deal what I offered or not?

Very much so, they would be hugely appreciated.

And Shakal, Olmedreca is correct, you did seem to forget about my Khans launched at you.

Ok, i will make IC post soon(assuming that jolt dont fall to mud in meantime).

Wagdog, do you think you can wait for me to post a response to your bombers before you declare that the fleet somewhat ignored their presence?

Wagdog, do you think you can wait for me to post a response to your bombers before you declare that the fleet somewhat ignored their presence?

speaking of bombers what about my B-70 attack?

speaking of bombers what about my B-70 attack?

I am going to respond to both aerial assaults as soon as Wagdog takes down his post so I can post my fighters responding before his bombers freely come in and bomb me.

And since we are on the subject, what happened to both me and Leaf's massive missile attack on Wanderjar and Wagdog's fleets?

Kampfers, what about the Solar Sailors? They are using 6 inch railguns to hit your satelites and cities.

Kampfers, what about the Solar Sailors? They are using 6 inch railguns to hit your satelites and cities.

Yeah, those still don't fall in to PMT... So im still ignoring those. To tell you the truth, I am a MT/PMT nation as opposed to a full PMT nation, so those are WAYYYY out of my timeline. Even if I was a late PMT nation though, those are still near FT...

Yeah, those still don't fall in to PMT... So im still ignoring those. To tell you the truth, I am a MT/PMT nation as opposed to a full PMT nation, so those are WAYYYY out of my timeline. Even if I was a late PMT nation though, those are still near FT...


Yes they do. Whyatica and I had a full out space war in an MT/PMT setting. They are not firing lasers or proton torpedoes or anything, they are using railguns.

Yes they do. Whyatica and I had a full out space war in an MT/PMT setting. They are not firing lasers or proton torpedoes or anything, they are using railguns.

Look. I have asked 3 people, all of whom I trust, and they all tell me that these are out of my time range. The closest I have gotten is 2/3's through PMT, but I've gotten late PMT and near FT as well. And the draftroom also regards these as late PMT. So I don't see why I should not ignore these. It's not like you are regarded as the class of NS.

Look. I have asked 3 people, all of whom I trust, and they all tell me that these are out of my time range. The closest I have gotten is 2/3's through PMT, but I've gotten late PMT and near FT as well. And the draftroom also regards these as late PMT. So I don't see why I should not ignore these. It's not like you are regarded as the class of NS.


These are, without question, possible within the next 15 years. It is basically a solar powered space shuttle, which are possible right now, lined with rail guns, which would be the only PMT part of the entire thing. What is so futuristic about this, especially considering that lasers are being used and passed off as PMT. Lasers are far more futuristic than rail guns.

And what do you mean by "the class of NS"

What would you guys think if I got involved soon? It'd be a wonderful throwback to the days of old! In fact, my knees are shaking and my eyes watering, so fond is the nostalgia.

What would you guys think if I got involved soon? It'd be a wonderful throwback to the days of old! In fact, my knees are shaking and my eyes watering, so fond is the nostalgia.

on which side?

Wagdog, do you think you can wait for me to post a response to your bombers before you declare that the fleet somewhat ignored their presence?
ICly, we're still far over the radar horizon and have theater air superiority, so IDK how any fleet AWACS of yours are going to see anything coming until the missiles are at your air defense perimeter's range and the bombers are long gone. You haven't exactly RPed your aircraft IIRC, so hence I can only assume they aren't doing much besides local fleet defense while your fleet focuses on Khan-spamming us. Plus, I gave you a full day and some change to reply, with no response which led me to think action was needed to IC-bump things along.

Besides, IIRC Wanderjar's been pushing your air defenses hard anyway ICly so you're hardly in a position to come screaming after me; supposedly being busy with him. Seriously, a preemptive strike to leverage local air supremacy was the whole intent here. IMO, you've just gotten massively surprised; deal with it accordingly is what I say, although I will listen to argument nonetheless.

I am going to respond to both aerial assaults as soon as Wagdog takes down his post so I can post my fighters responding before his bombers freely come in and bomb me.
Again, do the words 'Over-the-Horizon' and 'preemptive strike' have no IC meaning now? I'm willing to entertain certain possiblities OOCly if required, but ICly my government is well past playing fair here. We're out here to discharge vendetta against the CA for certain actions against our interests long ago, and we aren't too particular about niceties such as getting into air defense range first.

And since we are on the subject, what happened to both me and Leaf's massive missile attack on Wanderjar and Wagdog's fleets?
Wanderjar already handled the Khans a few posts of his back, and the only missile attack specifically against me was Leafy's; which I lost 27 destroyers to outright with 8 more effectively crippled, plus some damage to 9 cruisers besides. You implied focusing your Khans against the Prussians, while I'm in this as GUSN/independent, and in any case the Binarians took those bullets for me it seems (and could, since they were in the way IIRC). Whatever, those were RPed out long ago and would require far more retconning than even my attack, which I see no particular IC-tactical reason to take down and which you can still get some 'revenge' action for like I did on Toops after Leafy's strike against me.

on which side?

The one fighting Blackhelm.

The one fighting Blackhelm.

Good.

ORBAT:

2nd Surface Fleet:
1x Kraken-class Siege Dreadnought (IES Imperatorius)
9x Duke-class Heavy Battleship
11x Vendetta-class Heavy Cruiser
15x Ticonderoga-class Missile Cruiser
19x Indomitable-class Light Cruiser
22x Daring-class Missile Destroyer
28x Oliver Hazard Perry-Class ASW Frigate
10x Horizon-class AA Frigate
15x Astute-class Attack Submarine

2nd Surface Fleet:
1x Indomitable-class Super Dreadnought (IES Excidium)
9x Duke-class Heavy Battleship
11x Vendetta-class Heavy Cruiser
15x Ticonderoga-class Missile Cruiser
19x Indomitable-class Light Cruiser
22x Daring-class Missile Destroyer
28x Oliver Hazard Perry-Class ASW Frigate
10x Horizon-class AA Frigate
15x Astute-class Attack Submarine

1st Carrier Strike Group:
2x Intrepid-class Supercarrier
-90x F/A-401 Bird of Prey
-40x F/A-501 Blizzard
-40x F-119 Banshee
-10x EA-18G Growler
-5x E-2C Hawkeye
-5x Nimrod
2x Duke-class Heavy Battleship
11x Horizon-class Air Defese Frigate
13x Daring-class Missile Destroyer
8x Astute-class Attack Submarine
8x Ticonderoga-class Cruiser

2nd Carrier Strike Group:
2x Intrepid-class Supercarrier
-90x F/A-401 Bird of Prey
-40x F/A-501 Blizzard
-40x F-119 Banshee
-10x EA-18G Growler
-5x E-2C Hawkeye
-5x Nimrod
2x Duke-class Heavy Battleship
11x Horizon-class Air Defese Frigate
13x Daring-class Missile Destroyer
8x Astute-class Attack Submarine
8x Ticonderoga-class Cruiser

OOC: I'm taking issue with the interception of the 140 Chimeras I launched early on.

My fleets are doing long-range combat since we are outclassed navally and the Chimeras are essentially Mini-Khans that we are building at a breakneck pace, originally to supply our poorer fleets and land defense systems, but now we are taking all of them and giving them to our ships.

The thing is the Chimera is designed for long-range attack, and the S-300 isn't in range. By my calculations the S-300 should reach the Chimera's service ceiling late. And the guidance RADAR now has to distinguish at long range between two targets, one that is rapidly accelerating in the wrong direction. The missile can't make that high-G maneuver and hits the first stage or streaks into the distance. The second stage fires its motor and begins nearing hypersonic speeds. This is about 30 seconds in.

About 10 kilometers above the target, releases its second stage, about 45 seconds into its flight, and then accelerates to Mach 10 for final top attack into the enemy ship's superstructure.

It is well over the speed of bullets, and has actually begun moving so fast, the abalative coating is starting to glow and the entire missile is shrouded in a veil of plasma.

I just think that your CIWS and ship defense is doing far too well at the ranges we are talking about. I dispute how many Chimeras are being shot down.

On a related note, apparently I've been using outdated gyroscopes on my missiles.

Using chaff against rapid railgun fire is just idiotic. Face it NSAA, your satelites are going to be gone for the most part. And do you really want nuclear war? You know damned well that I can make sure anything you shoot from space doesn't re-enter the atmosphere and make sure you have no way of reciprocating the action.

And also, when you said "railguns are teh slow" I believe you are dreadully mistaken. A hypervelocity railgun like the ones I am using against you fire at speeds of 24 miles per second.

Yeah, those still don't fall in to PMT... So im still ignoring those. To tell you the truth, I am a MT/PMT nation as opposed to a full PMT nation, so those are WAYYYY out of my timeline. Even if I was a late PMT nation though, those are still near FT...

You are either PMT or you're not. It is extremely bad form to cherry pick technology.

That being said, it's not practical to engage orbital targets with ground based railguns.

You are either PMT or you're not. It is extremely bad form to cherry pick technology.

That being said, it's not practical to engage orbital targets with ground based railguns.

I believe Griffy is using orbital railguns to engage ground based targets.

And since we are on the subject, what happened to both me and Leaf's massive missile attack on Wanderjar and Wagdog's fleets?

And also on the Shakal fleet...;)

I believe Griffy is using orbital railguns to engage ground based targets.

To explain why this is impractical, it's two things: accuracy, and cost effectiveness. It is POSSIBLE to build a railgun with that sort of range, but it will be hugely expensive, and you'd need to arrange them in batteries against possible evasive maneuvers, since there will be several minutes between the projectile being fired and impact.

It is much cheaper and more effective to just spend 100,000 (or whatever) on a small rocket that lofts a bunch of steel cubes or ball bearings or whatever into the path of the satellite you want to knock down. That's how I and most other people do it, though you can also do a hit-to-kill missile.

In both cases, active homing is an advantage.

Further advantages include being able to launch such an ASAT from all sorts of things, such as ground-based positions, trucks, aircraft, submarines, and ships, meaning you can deploy them much more widely.

Hello.

As I haven't got so far a IC answer to that Khan deal that I offered I withdraw the offer.

Hey guys, I'm going to be here until tommorrow morning. So I'll continue to RP tonight. :D

Olmedreca;12904255']As I haven't got so far a IC answer to that Khan deal that I offered I withdraw the offer.

I'm waiting for my missile attack to be parsed. And I didn't see your IC post. I'll look again and respond to it.

Do you really expect us to be on 24/7 to answer rapidly?

Wagdog, so do I keep the Luxuria in exchange for the carriers?

I'm waiting for my missile attack to be parsed. And I didn't see your IC post. I'll look again and respond to it.

Do you really expect us to be on 24/7 to answer rapidly?

Well, Blackhelm said that he is interested in them and I made IC post(and mentioned it also here) in 20th, since then he has made several posts in IC thread, so definitelay there was possibility. Do not get me wrong, I do not withdraw offer because I would be pissed of waiting. Just during that time several facts(one of my allies will probably soon join NPE forces in area, and inactivity in Kriegzimmer means that getting new Khans may take longer then I expected) have changed my opinion of usefulness of that deal.

Olmedreca;12907230']Well, Blackhelm said that he is interested in them and I made IC post(and mentioned it also here) in 20th, since then he has made several posts in IC thread, so definitelay there was possibility. Do not get me wrong, I do not withdraw offer because I would be pissed of waiting. Just during that time several facts(one of my allies will probably soon join NPE forces in area, and inactivity in Kriegzimmer means that getting new Khans may take longer then I expected) have changed my opinion of usefulness of that deal.

How about we wire the money for 36,000 Khans and give your national leaders all a gold plated Otagian M32 Caseless Light Machine Gun?

Sorry, I have made my decision and in current situation do not plan to change it, nothing personal.

Black, how do you power those railguns on these solar powered space shuttles? They require large amounts of energy and I don't think solar power can provide multi shot capacity. Missiles would be more effective, anyway.

Also, I don't Khans can just be flown around they are being. Khans are basically an ICBM, which are expensive to maintain, and buying thousands of them and launching them would drain money rather fast, I would think. Considering they have to be launched from Silo's or ships with specially designed tubes.

Wagdog, so do I keep the Luxuria in exchange for the carriers?
Only saw this now :eek:, but yes. Well, in exchange for the carriers and the money, and AFTER the war. As long as this goes on (and it will a while, be sure), your ships and crews are to be interned as per the deal.

Black, how do you power those railguns on these solar powered space shuttles? They require large amounts of energy and I don't think solar power can provide multi shot capacity. Missiles would be more effective, anyway.

Also, I don't Khans can just be flown around they are being. Khans are basically an ICBM, which are expensive to maintain, and buying thousands of them and launching them would drain money rather fast, I would think. Considering they have to be launched from Silo's or ships with specially designed tubes.

You're just not aware of the number of nations supplying BC with money, missles and even ships but who aren't actively participating. I'm sure that every last missle BC has fired can be vouched for by somebody behind the scenes.

Fine, but who's building and manning the silos?

You're just not aware of the number of nations supplying BC with money, missles and even ships but who aren't actively participating. I'm sure that every last missle BC has fired can be vouched for by somebody behind the scenes.

I'm also being supplied by people who aren't in the CA and really don't want to be named and have made me swear not to tell under penalty of them declaring IC war on me in full.

However, their donations were mostly RL missiles. I do have one person who donated a ton of Kreigzimmer tech.

Did my massive missile strike get parsed yet?

Fine, but who's building and manning the silos?

We can't afford that many new silos. The majority of them are being jury-rigged onto ballistic missile launchers, of which we have in abundance, since we used to be more of a one-shot, pressure, deal, pull out kinda Alliance.

We can't afford that many new silos. The majority of them are being jury-rigged onto ballistic missile launchers, of which we have in abundance, since we used to be more of a one-shot, pressure, deal, pull out kinda Alliance.

Alright. That works.

Alright. That works.

Which means as soon as Wanderjar decides my missile attack exists, I'll fluid time my men driving their trucks like mad to avoid that cruise missile strike.

We'll probably use a farther away base of operations, higher up the Gallia and try to stay out of range.

We can't afford that many new silos. The majority of them are being jury-rigged onto ballistic missile launchers, of which we have in abundance, since we used to be more of a one-shot, pressure, deal, pull out kinda Alliance.
Well, the old silos have a massive cruise missile attack of my own to deal with; 15K in penetrators, with another 15K in submunitions behind them to tear up just those jury-rigged launchers. I've said this before, but it bears repeating: AFAIK, 1010102 RPed out the Chimeras since you didn't specify me in that strike; unlike Wanderjar and 1010102, both of whom handled that strike some posts later equally-AFAIK. I took my losses to your Moskits (which were specified against me) with my twenty-seven destroyers pwnd, with eight more and nine cruisers besides close to it (all-the-way now thanks to BC's Khans); generously taken, I might add, considering what I've read of the average effectiveness of S-400/Kortik/Kashtan and such when all combined against a RL threat type.

Oh, and although you may drive to avoid the cruises since we are coming from a ways off, my OBSATs can just adjust targeting info and hope that some have enough fuel to accomplish the required course corrections and make it over target.:p Doesn't save what silos you have though that I can get Kh-555s past the AD onto (and with 15K SOME had better get through!:mad:), and those are my key worry since even neutralizing your mobile launchers for so much as a displacement and emplacement post would still be massively beneficial to my side; your silos are cocked and locked, needing pwning in the worst way.

Seriously, all this was RPed out pages ago. Move along is what I say, rather than junk an RP because of simple overlooks (often just overlooking a post that does deal with the issue, from what I've seen here...:rolleyes:).

I am rping his forces. He's in Kentucky. Ill respond to that strike. Can I have the post?

Oh, and although you may drive to avoid the cruises since we are coming from a ways off, my OBSATs can just adjust targeting info and hope that some have enough fuel to accomplish the required course corrections and make it over target.

Suppose I shoot down your oh-so-precious satellites. The what?

Suppose I shoot down your oh-so-precious satellites. The what?
Can be done ;), but it's a bother since I've got more than the usual defensive mechanisms; not all of which are weapon-related, and one of which would actually multiply your targets immensely with nothing illusory about the matter due to identification reasons. And do remember what NSAA said about space warfare angering him ICly, just for that bit of deterrence of course; not to mention that if BC has all our sats 'made' in some minor fashion at least (whether he's reading their transmissions or not), the same applies to me since I'm a government whereas he's RPing the assets of a corporation here (as opposed to the Confederacy entire). Hence, I should indeed be capable of wielding such resources if a simple corporation is, considering our budgets involved and even accounting for various discrepancies due to policy &c.

Can be done;) , but it's a bother since I've got more than the usual defensive mechanisms; not all of which are weapon-related. And do remember what NSAA said about space warfare angering him ICly, just for that bit of deterrence of course.

Wandy wants me to orchestrate our next moves with you. You got MSN or AIM? Otherwise, TG.

Wagdog, you have a brief TG from me I'd like answered with your recommendations.

Wandy wants me to orchestrate our next moves with you. You got MSN or AIM? Otherwise, TG.
TG it'll have to be for now, so far my MSN refuses to give me the passport despite using a valid Hotmail account; and I don't have AIM. Speaking of which, TG for you about that orchestration.:cool:

Wagdog, you have a brief TG from me I'd like answered with your recommendations.
Replied back.:D Sorry about the delay; some strategizing had to come first.

This war seems to be expanding quite significantly, and as the CA comes under more and more threat, I feel a desire to involve myself.

However, I am to busy as it is to read through the last fourteen pages of war, might I have a quick summary, preceeding my deployment?

This war seems to be expanding quite significantly, and as the CA comes under more and more threat, I feel a desire to involve myself.

However, I am to busy as it is to read through the last fourteen pages of war, might I have a quick summary, preceeding my deployment?

OOC: Hey dude, in essence here's whats happened:

1) Communist Revolution in Gallia
2) Toops sends troops to interevene
3) I send troops to support Revolutionaries
4) I engage Toopoxian fleet.
5) I destroy Toopoxian Fleet.
6) New Prussian Empire German Commonwealth States send more forces.
7) Blackhelm, Leafy, VISA Corp, and company send forces
8) Large scale battle breaks out.
9) Two Visa Corp fleets are destroyed. 1010102's fleet is broken, vastly larger fleet deployed.
10) Kampfers fleet takes brunt of attacks, is driven back.
11) Blackhelm's fleet surrenders to Wagdog
12) Leafy continues to fire missiles at NPE forces.
13) Amazonian Beasts joins battle
14) Wagdog/Wanderjar/TPF begin preparation for invasion of Gallia.

Thats where we're at now.

OOC: Hey dude, in essence here's whats happened:

1) Communist Revolution in Gallia
2) Toops sends troops to interevene
3) I send troops to support Revolutionaries
4) I engage Toopoxian fleet.
5) I destroy Toopoxian Fleet.
6) New Prussian Empire German Commonwealth States send more forces.
7) Blackhelm, Leafy, VISA Corp, and company send forces
8) Large scale battle breaks out.
9) Two Visa Corp fleets are destroyed. 1010102's fleet is broken, vastly larger fleet deployed.
10) Kampfers fleet takes brunt of attacks, is driven back.
11) Blackhelm's fleet surrenders to Wagdog
12) Leafy continues to fire missiles at NPE forces.
13) Amazonian Beasts joins battle
14) Wagdog/Wanderjar/TPF begin preparation for invasion of Gallia.

Thats where we're at now.

Sounds as if the CA could use some more ships...

Are there maps?

Sounds as if the CA could use some more ships...

Are there maps?

No :(

No :(

Er, yes, there is.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/imdmill/toopswar.jpg

Ignore everything except the landmass and ocean.

No :(

What? Are you blind??? I know there's a map on the first or second page of the IC thread.

What? Are you blind??? I know there's a map on the first or second page of the IC thread.

(Took care of it.)

So Gallia shares geography with RL Japan, including mountains and so forth?

Presumably.

So Gallia shares geography with RL Japan, including mountains and so forth?

What? Are you blind??? I know there's a map on the first or second page of the IC thread.

I forgot about it lol

my bad

And do remember what NSAA said about space warfare angering him ICly, just for that bit of deterrence of course; not to mention that if BC has all our sats 'made' in some minor fashion at least (whether he's reading their transmissions or not), the same applies to me since I'm a government whereas he's RPing the assets of a corporation here (as opposed to the Confederacy entire). Hence, I should indeed be capable of wielding such resources if a simple corporation is, considering our budgets involved and even accounting for various discrepancies due to policy &c.

Firstly, NSAA isn't exactly being a good sport with his space RPing, seeing as how he already threatened nuclear war with BC.

And second, I wouldn't call Griffencrest a simple corporation. It rivals most all full-blown nations, especially it's own home nation the blackhelm confederacy.

Presumably.

I can probably throw down a post by the end of tomorrow.

That, however, is assuming my current level of enthusiasm. You can expect that post, but if it doesn't come, it will follow in short time, I promise.

There.

I can probably throw down a post by the end of tomorrow.

That, however, is assuming my current level of enthusiasm. You can expect that post, but if it doesn't come, it will follow in short time, I promise.

There.

Would you be more enthused about being involved in a counterinvasion? I've messaged a few NPE nations to see if any are game to be invaded. I mostly contacted their smaller nations, but if you are game, we could go for someone bigger like Wanderjar (I have basing rights in a country near his btw).

I've read a few references to NPE nations needing to post damage. What attacks do they owe damage for?

I've read a few references to NPE nations needing to post damage. What attacks do they owe damage for?

Hit me up on MSN or AIM. I have something important.

AIM: PakistanRepublic
MSN: theaviator@comcast.net

And CA nations also need to respond.

Would you be more enthused about being involved in a counterinvasion? I've messaged a few NPE nations to see if any are game to be invaded. I mostly contacted their smaller nations, but if you are game, we could go for someone bigger like Wanderjar (I have basing rights in a country near his btw).

Me... want... invade... Wanderjar...

Nero and TPF have TGs. TPF, if you already read it just let me know.

Would you be more enthused about being involved in a counterinvasion? I've messaged a few NPE nations to see if any are game to be invaded. I mostly contacted their smaller nations, but if you are game, we could go for someone bigger like Wanderjar (I have basing rights in a country near his btw).
You have mine back.:) My take's in there. Also, I'm GUSN not NPE; I'm only in this because Wandy's both at once, and the IC reasons/grudges I've hinted at in the thread as well.

You have mine back.:) My take's in there. Also, I'm GUSN not NPE; I'm only in this because Wandy's both at once, and the IC reasons/grudges I've hinted at in the thread as well.

what about me???

:D

Add him to the list i sent you who would be involved Nero.

I might get invaded, but I am hold them off.

I didn't get the TG Kamp. MSN.

I didn't get the TG Kamp. MSN.

cant. Ill just talk to ya tommorow.

Re-send the TG.

what about me???

:D

Add him to the list i sent you who would be involved Nero.
Sry, also involved covering for you too as per UFAN.:cool: Stupid of me to overlook...:headbang: Honestly though, IDK how much access I'll have from tomorrow/Friday-ish until the seventh, so I really don't think I'm game for an invasion. However, if V can cover for me in posting terms then my units in the NPE region and such (other places I might send some before I have to be off) can help out defending though; that's why they were sent in the first place after all.:p

Hey, everyone:

Myself and Wanderjar have agreed on an invasion of Wanderjar. It will be a closed thread, but there are a few invites on each side. We'll be invading the Nova Europa homeland of Wanderjar, not the Wanderjar/The PeoplesFreedom bit in the New Prussian Empire islands there.

The sides will be Emporer Pudu (me!), The Horned Rat, Emperor Nero (for suggesting it), and Barudii (a colony of mine), against Wanderjar, Thrashia, Tigerlan, and Die Zweiten Reich (or however you spell that)

I'll be providing the thread soon enough, although I mightn't be too soon, as Wandy is going away shortly, I guess.

Just thought ya'll should know.

I wish he would have consulted me X.X At any rate, he is on his way to Kentucky, or possibly D.C.

Hey, everyone:

Myself and Wanderjar have agreed on an invasion of Wanderjar. It will be a closed thread, but there are a few invites on each side. We'll be invading the Nova Europa homeland of Wanderjar, not the Wanderjar/The PeoplesFreedom bit in the New Prussian Empire islands there.

The sides will be Emporer Pudu (me!), The Horned Rat, Emperor Nero (for suggesting it), and Barudii (a colony of mine), against Wanderjar, Thrashia, Tigerlan, and Die Zweiten Reich (or however you spell that)

I'll be providing the thread soon enough, although I mightn't be too soon, as Wandy is going away shortly, I guess.

Just thought ya'll should know.

Good deal. Count me in when Wandy gets back.

I wish he would have consulted me X.X At any rate, he is on his way to Kentucky, or possibly D.C.

Yeah, said he'd 'decide on the way'...

I'll probably wait for him to get back.

Hey, everyone:

Myself and Wanderjar have agreed on an invasion of Wanderjar. It will be a closed thread, but there are a few invites on each side. We'll be invading the Nova Europa homeland of Wanderjar, not the Wanderjar/The PeoplesFreedom bit in the New Prussian Empire islands there.

The sides will be Emporer Pudu (me!), The Horned Rat, Emperor Nero (for suggesting it), and Barudii (a colony of mine), against Wanderjar, Thrashia, Tigerlan, and Die Zweiten Reich (or however you spell that)

I'll be providing the thread soon enough, although I mightn't be too soon, as Wandy is going away shortly, I guess.

Just thought ya'll should know.

Think I can hop on that as well?

Think I can hop on that as well?

You're going to have enough trouble with us invading YOU while that goes on. You'll be busy ;)

You're going to have enough trouble with us invading YOU while that goes on. You'll be busy ;)

If you are being serious, I still have the map from the last time you invaded BC. Be forewarned, if you wanna use this map again, I am gonna make your units pink.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r145/emperornero06/map2.jpg

If you are being serious, I still have the map from the last time you invaded BC. Be forewarned, if you wanna use this map again, I am gonna make your units pink.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r145/emperornero06/map2.jpg


We'll do it once we've driven you all out of Gallia.

We'll do it once we've driven you all out of Gallia.

So it is safe for me to go ahead and delete that map then? ;)

So it is safe for me to go ahead and delete that map then? ;)

I wouldn't delete the map itself, it could be useful if you have a blank one lying around. However the one with the units and all is no longer needed because we won't necessarily be doing the same thing again.

...aaand I just got the joke out of your unit reference. Very funny. :p

where did that map come from anyways...beats using MS paint lol...also now that Im unbanned I will be entering the conflict on the NPE side of course...at Gallia...

Ok, whatever happened to fluid time? Akimonad just mentioned using SAMs that BC invented in the middle of the rp...

where did that map come from anyways...beats using MS paint lol...also now that Im unbanned I will be entering the conflict on the NPE side of course...at Gallia...

I made it with a map editor for a real old strategy game I have. The game is called Empire Deluxe. It is old enough that you might be able to find a free copy of it somewhere.

Basically, all I did was take a screenshot of the map, and used Photoshop to add in the text.

Ok, whatever happened to fluid time? Akimonad just mentioned using SAMs that BC invented in the middle of the rp...

And you guys didn't abuse fluid time either? Besides, I obtained them secretly before he revealed them to the public. And thusly, I had them before the conflict.

How are they on a space station?

How are they on a space station?

They've been adapted.

How can those missiles survive atmospheric re-entry, and remain accurate since it would take minutes to come down?

They're out fitted for re-entry. And what do you mean, stay accurate? They're radar and lidar guided.

Well I meant more they would need a lot of fuel since it would be a long fall and the planes would be moving away, it doesn't seem cost effective to me.

My tax rate is also a hundred percent and I don't actually use it. Most people don't, since, for example, that would be defense budget at 48 trillion. But whatever works for you.

Well I meant more they would need a lot of fuel since it would be a long fall and the planes would be moving away, it doesn't seem cost effective to me.

I don't tend to care about cost. Hence why my tax rate is 100%. I'm going to have to start confiscating extremities, too...

And sure, it would be a long fall, but going straight down at Mach 10 or 12 (whichever) plus gravity makes it quite short.

And sure, it would be a long fall, but going straight down at Mach 10 or 12 (whichever) plus gravity makes it quite short.

Just a short note as a neutral observer.

The speed makes the missile useless against aircraft since any last minute evasive action made by planes would make it too hard for them to adjust the trajectory.

so i take it no objections to me joining in finally...IC post soon to come..

and how far PMT r we...i mean a non orbital moving space station..thats heavily armed is way past MT...i guess i'll start using solar powered star destroyers...and a solar powered death star while we're at it

so i take it no objections to me joining in finally...IC post soon to come..

and how far PMT r we...i mean a non orbital moving space station..thats heavily armed is way past MT...i guess i'll start using solar powered star destroyers...and a solar powered death star while we're at it

Mid PMT, it says so in the title of the IC thread

I read that..already...I didnt think space fortresses would be considered PMT but ok...seems they are lol...anywho once i fix my comp i'll have my IC post up finally :)

I read that..already...I didnt think space fortresses would be considered PMT but ok...seems they are lol...anywho once i fix my comp i'll have my IC post up finally :)

"The Arkbird" is adapted from a video game that takes place in 2010.

A flipping VIDEO GAME. Video games don't take science into account. The NPE is not to continue this thread until the tech level is figured out. I think black will agree with me here. This is an MT/ EARLY PMT thread, not a late PMT thread.

A flipping VIDEO GAME. Video games don't take science into account. The NPE is not to continue this thread until the tech level is figured out. I think black will agree with me here. This is an MT/ EARLY PMT thread, not a late PMT thread.

Amen brother. Excalibur had the exact same problem.

And I am positive Black will agree with me here.

Really? Because in Freelancer, I can instantly halt my spaceship after going lightspeed!

Well I meant more they would need a lot of fuel since it would be a long fall and the planes would be moving away, it doesn't seem cost effective to me.

One generally does not need fuel to fall. To maneuver, yes, to fall, no.

Also, re space stations, an armed space station is possible in MT, let alone PMT. Depends on what it's armed with, really.

The Arkbird as presented in Ace Combat 5 is definitely not really possible, at least not the whole "low orbit to surface" laser aspect of it.

I think this is the best way to get people on both sides to see my message.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12911616&postcount=437

I know weapons stations are, but I am talking the kind that he is deploying, I have my own weapons stations, but they sure as heck aren't that advanced. I think you and the bulk of NS would agree that that does not belong in MT or early PMT.

Obviously, it is possible for space stations and satellites to be outfitted with missiles. If you guys have a complaint, it should be about the excessive number of missiles this particular satellite carries. In my mind, that is a legit complaint.

However, I also believe BC had a legit complaint when he was not allowed to intercept the 1,500 non-stealthy bombers that snuck up on his fleet and fired 30,000 missiles at him. Had that been role-played correctly, those 1,500 bombers would be at the bottom of the ocean right now, and BC's fleet would still be in play.

In the interest of keeping the thread from breaking down, BC accepted it, and moved on. I suggest you guys do the same. Post some damage to your aircraft, destroy the offensive satellite in question, and move on.

In unmoderated roleplay you have to be willing to accomodate your opponent sometimes if you want your threads to go anywhere. For instance, Wanderjar once used dominator cannons (uber powerful FT weapons) against my homeland. I did not approve. I posted damage from his attack, and asked him not to use them anymore. He agreed, and the roleplay continued for quite some time. Had we both been dicks about it, I'm sure the thread would have died, and we would probably hate each other right now.

We would be willing to do that Nero, provided these Space Fortresses and Solar Sailors dont show up again.

We would be willing to do that Nero, provided these Space Fortresses and Solar Sailors dont show up again.

Agreed.

Cool. We have come to an agreement then. :)

OOC: The New Prussian Empire Alliance has decided within its player base to RETCON the RP due to tech reasons. Not that we accuse you of wanking technology, but it is becoming apparant that you are higher in your time line than we are, being that we are in the 2070s at the very latest, whereas your tech is quite obviously in the 2100s-2200s. Thus, we are going to pretend this whole thing never happened. That is our official statement. Its been fun guys! :D

Wandy, is the closed 4 vs 4 thread still on?

OOC: That's just bad form. Did Japan say "LULZ U R USIN FUTURE TECHNOLOGIES LETS PRTEND NUTTIN HAPPENED K?"

Its not bad form at all. We don't have to play with higher technologies. No one on NS expects us too.

OOC: The New Prussian Empire Alliance has decided within its player base to RETCON the RP due to tech reasons. Not that we accuse you of wanking technology, but it is becoming apparant that you are higher in your time line than we are, being that we are in the 2070s at the very latest, whereas your tech is quite obviously in the 2100s-2200s. Thus, we are going to pretend this whole thing never happened. That is our official statement. Its been fun guys! :D

OOC: That's just bad form. Did Japan say "LULZ U R USIN FUTURE TECHNOLOGIES LETS PRTEND NUTTIN HAPPENED K?"

Wandy, is the closed 4 vs 4 thread still on?

We are now making a closed 5v5 thread for CA vs NPE. You can ask Black to join, if he agrees.

We are now making a closed 5v5 thread for CA vs NPE. You can ask Black to join, if he agress.

I'll leave that to you, Wandy, Pudu, and BC to decide. I'm a pretty minor player in that conflict, so I'm just along for the ride.

I've been observing the QC vs Gogloth war. Like our war, a lot of people wanted to participate. Their method of breaking the war down into a number of smaller closed threads seems to be working well for them.

Perhaps we could do something similar, and perhaps clarify the thread rules a little better in advance.

We would be willing to do that.

We would be willing to do that.

Cool. I trust you and BC will be able to work something out.

I'm awaiting his TG. I have Wisdom Teeth that get pulled tomorrow, so it might be a few days.

Obviously, it is possible for space stations and satellites to be outfitted with missiles. If you guys have a complaint, it should be about the excessive number of missiles this particular satellite carries. In my mind, that is a legit complaint.

However, I also believe BC had a legit complaint when he was not allowed to intercept the 1,500 non-stealthy bombers that snuck up on his fleet and fired 30,000 missiles at him. Had that been role-played correctly, those 1,500 bombers would be at the bottom of the ocean right now, and BC's fleet would still be in play.

In the interest of keeping the thread from breaking down, BC accepted it, and moved on. I suggest you guys do the same. Post some damage to your aircraft, destroy the offensive satellite in question, and move on.

In unmoderated roleplay you have to be willing to accomodate your opponent sometimes if you want your threads to go anywhere. For instance, Wanderjar once used dominator cannons (uber powerful FT weapons) against my homeland. I did not approve. I posted damage from his attack, and asked him not to use them anymore. He agreed, and the roleplay continued for quite some time. Had we both been dicks about it, I'm sure the thread would have died, and we would probably hate each other right now.
My strike was RPed correctly. Had Blackhelm RPed doing so, he could've challenged the strike; hence why I put a large fighter screen up beforehand as a precaution/dare. But BC wasn't actively using his fighters until after that attack was already launched and done, thus implying his admiral ICly holding them back for close-in defense while that fleet focused on Khan barrages; unbalanced tactics, for which I exacted an appropriate IC price IMO. Plus, since I achieved air superiority (if not supremacy in fact) some posts of mine earlier, BC's IC means of detecting an attack from so far over the radar horizon of even an SD should've been few at best unless he RPed risking his AWACS planes to extend his fleet's radar range (not done); and his odds of a successful intercept still fewer since those also would've had to fight through me and Wandy's BARCAP screen first. When I left that challenge for his fighters to come up after the strike on Leafy as long as I did without response, I felt an attack of my own was needful to bump things along; 'surprise happens' as they say.

However, in the RP's interests, nor did I question Blackhelm's SD's survival despite having quite specifically focused on killing that ship several times over; allocating more missiles its' way than any other single ship in that fleet. And had this not degenerated to IGNORE in the time before I could get a response in on those Arkbird missiles, I'd be taking some losses to them myself as is only fair. And ICly, more to the point, my pilots would be sweating a bit more now since they're low on missiles and not sure what's going on; only for this to happen on top of everything. Both my attack and the Arkbird as you've characterized it are MT/PMT compatible, so they could both have stood with far less problem than has been occasioned; or so I think at least.

Meh, hardly matters now. For future play's sake, is this always a problem with attempts at surprise attack? They're a major part of my IC doctrine and although OOCly I agree winning is far from everything, ICly my military is a force that punches above its weight class and pushes the very limits of its supply chain because of the simple fact that it has no choice but to. Our national policies demand no less, and retreat from several of those would carry a serious moral blow even if we were willing to countenance such (which, ICly, we're not). Hence, we have to fight a maneuver fight and win quick, psychologically devastating victories because otherwise we end up in the position Urcea mentioned about Japan. Any sticky-inspired tips about that perhaps, so's I can maybe do a better (that is, more agreeable) job next time?

OOC: Having had talks with blackhelm, this RP is to continue.

you dont have to type ooc: in an ooc thread TPF you noob ;)

Durr.

OOC: Having had talks with blackhelm, this RP is to continue.

I rest my case

OK, once I TG him formally about the handover Vetaka's going to be covering for me until I get back on the 7th. I've discussed this possibility with several in this thread, and I just got word from V that he's cool with it (though I had no doubt he would be). Anyway, just to serve notice of that and clear up where I stand, here's how my forces in Gallia are now...

USSW Fourteenth Fleet (Includes attachments from First and Third Fleets otherwise still in Lazarusl to compensate for losses to CA missiles and such...)
5 Tri Svyatitelya supercarriers, modified as per here. (2900 FA-15E Cardinal multirole fighters after losses, plus 1500 FA-16A Priest VTOL fighters, 450 Sky Lord utility helos, 900 Sea Lord ASW/AWACS helos; many of these aircraft are on No_State_At_All's carriers to cope with the lost capacity from carrier sinkings.)
4 Peter the Great Heavy Battleships (4 Sea Lord ASW/AWACS helos)
10 Yekaterina Large Cruisers (10 Sea Lord ASW/AWACS helos)
40 Danechka Destroyers (40 Sea Lord ASW/AWACS helos)
35 Vladimir Submarines
15 Bear Assault Ships (3,000 Ki-1TVK assault, 450 SH-35 Sea Bird attack helos)
15 The People's Class Supply Ships
15 The People's Class AU1 Vehicle Ships
15 Vol'nitsa Hospital Ships
18,000 Marine Commandos (1st, 3rd and 14th Marine Raider Brigades)
33,600 Marines (1st and 3rd Marine Divisions, plus most of 3rd excepting losses taken to BC's Khans; equipment will be detailed later when landing and after I send the data to Vetaka so he can detail them at that time.)

The following are also moving to escort Blackhelm's damaged fleet to internment in my homeland once he accepts my terms, the idea being to take care of two tasks at once in also getting damaged ships home for repairs.

1 Peter the Great heavy battleship
4 Yekaterina large cruisers
11 Danechka destroyers.
16 Sea Lord ASW/AWACS choppers carried by these ships.

Anyway, good luck all and I'm very glad to see this RP was saved yet again. To do my part in that I've RPed out some losses to Arkbird, so hopefully this can go on without more dispute-fests while I'm away.

I'm glad this was sorted while I was asleep. (Works best that way.)

But the thing is, I'm generally sure of the tech level of something before I post it, and if I'm not confident, you wouldn't have seen it.

The Arkbird is sort of PMT/FT borderline, considering it really could be used in both. However, my intention was this: I needed someway to clear out the planes so that my troops could land. The most logical way seemed to be space, since it required less risk than sending in [another] fleet or flying in the planes with an escort.

Conveniently enough, I had put in several places that my nation was building a large orbit space station. So I thought I'd use that. (There was two occasions when, playing as VISA Corp, I considered using the Arkbird's space-to-ground laser to sink some ships, but decided against that.) So I did, and it made a mess. But the point is this: I launched missiles, and then had the thing fly over Akimonad, where it's staying. You all should really only concern yourself with the missiles, since, if the missiles were gone, the Arkbird would be a rather large floating hunk of metal.

I hope I've made myself clear.

OOC: First of all Good Morning, Good Afternoon or Good Evening depending on where you are and when you read it. Anyway as im sure Wagdog has informed you all I will be taking over for him and covering for him whilst he is away. Might I take this moment to say its a pleasure to RP with such a fine bunch of people. :) Anyway is this RP on or is it off?

V

The pleasure is all ours Vetaka, and to answer your question: it beats the hell out of me.

Its on-hold pending negotiations between myself, Wanderjar, and Blackhelm.