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Due to being inspired by Cazelia 1850 rp ide, kinda of like a parody if you would, a I felt like starting an rp based in the glorious time of the seventeenth century as it was a truly cool time for the world.

As well, I felt like that such an rp would appeal to many people to rp their nation's past history in a different manner and to offer such an rp would also be quite interesting in the fact that it would offer a way for people to simulate the NS world in the times before the industrial revolution during which mighty kings reigned, such as the Romanvs in Russia, the Tudors, the rise of the Hapsburgs, the glory of the Ottomans, the rise of the Qing, the beginning of the renewed Shoguns in Japan, and the time of the colonization of the 'New' World by the European powers.

As for the map here it is with my claim in red: http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2dj3.png

The Scandinvans: Red
Blue: Asherius
Shakal: Dark Green
Die Zweiten Reich: Light Blue
The Jade Star: Yellow
Jeuna: Orange
Cevnia: Purple
British Londinium: Black
Wanderjar: Dark Blue
Carloginias: Light Green
New Brittonia: Brown
Zoingo: Olive
Maldorians: Aqua
Gataway: Light Purple
Caronicilia: Teal
Droskianishk: Goldenrod
United kingdom2: Salmon
Daehanjeiguk: Maroon
[NS]Corbournne: Dark Orange

THread Hub: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532134

As well, this is still noe closed, unless you want to either be Portugal or a central African conutry.

For the factbooks I am still working on mine.

Hmm...you get alot...oh well. I claim Thailand, Laos, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and the east coast of India. Is there a limit on how much we can claim?

Hmm...you get alot...oh well. I claim Thailand, Laos, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and the east coast of India. Is there a limit on how much we can claim?You can have that, but my general rule is that large populations do come at a cost, that come up with things such as natural distaters and other things. Though to state you will have lower tech then Europe at the time due to the fact that region was not as militarily advanced then European countries at the same time. Yet, your claim is pretty good in size and to ask as you can see more country has some colonies near you we might do trade.:p

How does this look, on the color thing is that okay or do you want to have some other color:
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap21650xe9.png

I guess i'd prefer it in blue...but I don't really care. Sounds good to me.

I guess i'd prefer it in blue...but I don't really care. Sounds good to me.By thwe way as for factbooks do not make one until I do as I want to have time to map out one. As well, are you sure you do not want some land in southern China.

Australia 1650 now thats funny when you think of it

I guess i'd prefer it in blue...but I don't really care. Sounds good to me.Changed then.

My claims in Dark Green (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5zf1an9)

If thats ok. If it is to big in europe i can reduce it. Just tell me.

I have this crazy idea to claim northeast and central Africa.

My claims in Dark Green (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5zf1an9)

If thats ok. If it is to big in europe i can reduce it. Just tell me.My only problem is that I think it is a little to spread out in Europe by going so far north into to the Batlic, also you colonies, only Oman and Morrocco though, will be affected by the fact that it is mostly desert and will be limited to the coast, otherwise it good.

My only problem is that I think it is a little to spread out in Europe by going so far north into to the Batlic, also you colonies, only Oman and Morrocco though, will be affected by the fact that it is mostly desert and will be limited to the coast, otherwise it good.

Ok, i fixed. Thanks for the help. Here it is (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4pogpir). I reduced the desert claims and the part that was so spread out.

May I claim what I put into light blue? I know Im new, but Shakal can vouch for me.
Claim (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6au4pis)

Ok, i fixed. Thanks for the help. Here it is (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4pogpir). I reduced the desert claims and the part that was so spread out.Do not worry, I increased your colonial claims over more area and also kept your European lands to a larger extent that what you had them as.

Is this (http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2845/worldmap21650pd3kj4.png) alright?

Is this (http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2845/worldmap21650pd3kj4.png) alright?

Um, if im accepted I already took panama. Sorry.

Um, if im accepted I already took panama. Sorry.

Nothing says we cant both claim it, you dirty European devil.
But enough talk, have at you!

May I claim what I put into light blue? I know Im new, but Shakal can vouch for me.
Claim (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6au4pis)Accepted.

Nothing says we cant both claim it, you dirty European devil.
But enough talk, have at you!

Ha, my Arbequois (Unless Muskets Were Properly Used Yet) shall own your primitive spears using the powers of Quacotozol! (SP?)

Accepted.

Thank you very much. Now, to knock Sammy off her perch in Vienna and then united Germany properly.... :D

Just kidding my love, you know I will always love you! :fluffle:

Ha, my Arbequois (Unless Muskets Were Properly Used Yet) shall own your primitive spears using the powers of Quacotozol! (SP?)

Muskets were in use.
But theyre not terribly effective against wave after wave of fanatical warriors armed with a bit more than spears ;)
The Inca were somewhat famous for their use of metal weaponry, particularly a halberd-like weapon. And I imagine by now theyve picked up at least a little firearms technology. Certainly they know how to pack it into hollowed out coconuts or something :D

Is this (http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2845/worldmap21650pd3kj4.png) alright?A little large and claims go to the person who asks for them first.

As to limit your claim's sheer length I would recommend having it end with eighty miles of the southern borders of Coloumbia and end a little south of the border of Chile.

A little large and claims go to the person who asks for them first.

As to limit your claim's sheer length I would recommend having it end with eighty miles of the southern borders of Coloumbia and end a little south of the border of Chile.

Good timing on that post, like...ten seconds before the nightly server fart! :D

Anyway, a lot of that land is not very friendly terrain, most of its mountains, swamp, rainforest, or desert with a few areas with insanely high fertility that basically provide all the food.
But if you like I could go for, say, Chilie, Peru and Ecuador, a bit of the southern tip of Argentina, and my island claims.

EDIT:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9738/worldmap21650vr1lp2.png
That being the map version

Good timing on that post, like...ten seconds before the nightly server fart! :D

Anyway, a lot of that land is not very friendly terrain, most of its mountains, swamp, rainforest, or desert with a few areas with insanely high fertility that basically provide all the food.
But if you like I could go for, say, Chilie, Peru and Ecuador, a bit of the southern tip of Argentina, and my island claims.

EDIT:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9738/worldmap21650vr1lp2.png
That being the map versionIs this good for you?;)

http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap21650cq0.png

Is this good for you?;)

http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap21650cq0.png

That is DAMN ugly :D
I'd rather have costal territory, but this'll work I guess. Now I just have to cram 10,000,000 people into it and start mining gold ;)

Behold! My claims for Africa.

http://www.freewebs.com/blast_archives/worldmap1650.png

Mwhee hee hee.

That is DAMN ugly :D
I'd rather have costal territory, but this'll work I guess. Now I just have to cram 10,000,000 people into it and start mining gold ;)Try, somewhere along the lines of 15,000,000 as the extra area I gave you at least has a couple million.:)

Also, the claim is symmetrical, as is my prefernce so be happy.:D

Try, somewhere along the lines of 15,000,000 as the extra area I gave you at least has a couple million.:)

Also, the claim is symmetrical, as is my prefernce so be happy.:D

O IC.
Well, more plebs for me to hurl at the European Colonial Dogs. ;)

When do we start? Do we need factbooks or anything?

Behold! My claims for Africa.

http://www.freewebs.com/blast_archives/worldmap1650.png

Mwhee hee hee.Welcome, and might I ask you culture?

Anyway I could claim the South Western region of the United States and the Northern part of Mexico. I would also like all of Iran, Pakistan, and a bit of the the western side of India. Is that too much, too spread out, or too anything for that matter? If not, that is what I want.

O IC.
Well, more plebs for me to hurl at the European Colonial Dogs. ;)

When do we start? Do we need factbooks or anything?Factbook Details:

Country Name:

Government System:

Ruler(s)

Demograhics:

Culture:

Military Details:

Resources/Trade Goods:

Please, post your factbooks on a different thread.

Also, for when we start it will proably be tommorrow, at least for me.:D

If my claim is accepted I won't be able to do much until this weekend (hopefully) I have inhumanly slow internet during the week, but during the weekends I have access to highspeed internet. Is this going to be a problem. (If my claim is accepted)

Anyway I could claim the South Western region of the United States and the Northern part of Mexico. I would also like all of Iran, Pakistan, and a bit of the the western side of India. Is that too much, too spread out, or too anything for that matter? If not, that is what I want.You can either have the first part of your claim or the another part of your claim in Asia as that one would be to spread out and far to large.

You can either have the first part of your claim or the another part of your claim in Asia as that one would be to spread out and far to large.

I'll take the Southwestern United States and Northern Mexico then.

If my claim is accepted I won't be able to do much until this weekend (hopefully) I have inhumanly slow internet during the week, but during the weekends I have access to highspeed internet. Is this going to be a problem. (If my claim is accepted)Knowing the group of rpers here yes it would be, yet if you make one or two decent posts a day it would be fine then as you do not need to actively need to rp, just enough to engage in diplomatic chatter. I am saying this as if you have a REALLY slow internet connection you can just open the response box, type the response on a program like Microsoft Office you can type it there and then post it as your convenince.

Knowing the group of rpers here yes it would be, yet if you make one or two decent posts a day it would be fine then as you do not need to actively need to rp, just enough to engage in diplomatic chatter. I am saying this as if you have a REALLY slow internet connection you can just open the response box, type the response on a program like Microsoft Office you can type it there and then post it as your convenince.

I have really SLOW internet, all I can do is open the response box and type in a response, I can't post links or anything extra. I can fit in enough posts a day to keep myself active, but I will get most of my work done on the weekends.

My Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12846575#post12846575)

Please be kind, its the first I have ever made.

I have really SLOW internet, all I can do is open the response box and type in a response, I can't post links or anything extra. I can fit in enough posts a day to keep myself active, but I will get most of my work done on the weekends.Sounds good and because I am in fairly generous mood, please just tell me if you have an rp you want to post, then I can find the link easily and post it to the people who need to know about it. As well, what color do you want?;)

My Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12846575#post12846575)

Please be kind, its the first I have ever made.Government system means like a republic, empire, kingdom, etc. so for your case I would say for you it would be an Empire.

Also, to note expand it a bit and it should be fine.

The population is a bit high, since the population of all the German States only broke 19,000,000 in the 1700's
I'd go for more like 5,000,000 in the homeland, 1-2,000,000 abroad.

EDIT:
That is, if we're being historical. If not, thats fine to :P

Sounds good and because I am in fairly generous mood, please just tell me if you have an rp you want to post, then I can find the link easily and post it to the people who need to know about it. As well, what color do you want?;)

I am a new player so there is nothing of great importance that requires linkage. As for my color, I think either dark green, or purple will suffice.

From what I've found, the world population in 1650 is estimated between 470-545 million, thats EVERYWHERE.
Most of its in Asia and the Americas, since Europe wont fully recover its population until the 1800's as a result of the Black Death. I'd say most European states would have a pop of 5-10 million if theyre roughly the size of the present ones.

EDIT AGAIN:
Of course, I'm assuming this is a world where the American population wasnt mostly wiped out by disease.

I am a new player so there is nothing of great importance that requires linkage. As for my color, I think either dark green, or purple will suffice.How does this look for you: http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap21650qj3.png

Welcome, and might I ask you culture?

Egyptian with a bit of Shaigiya, plus whatever ethnic groups I missed in the various corners of Chad, Sudan and Libya.

Then again, I guess you could call it plain Egyptian, since the Shaigiya are nomads.

From what I've found, the world population in 1650 is estimated between 470-545 million, thats EVERYWHERE.
Most of its in Asia and the Americas, since Europe wont fully recover its population until the 1800's as a result of the Black Death. I'd say most European states would have a pop of 5-10 million if theyre roughly the size of the present ones.

EDIT AGAIN:
Of course, I'm assuming this is a world where the American population wasnt mostly wiped out by disease.You also have to give that populations can double in a generation and as such the European pop, 50-60% had died in the Black Plague, could recover in 200 years easily and to state the real limit on population size is the acutaly ability to feed ones population so it is possible to have much large populations then ten million in let us say France, which was the most popolous of the European countries with a population of twenty million.

How does this look for you: http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap21650qj3.png

If I could get just a bit more on the western coast it will be absolutely perfect!

How does this look for you: http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap21650qj3.png

Great! :)

You also have to give that populations can double in a generation and as such the European pop, 50-60% had died in the Black Plague, could recover in 200 years easily and to state the real limit on population size is the acutaly ability to feed ones population so it is possible to have much large populations then ten million in let us say France, which was the most popolous of the European countries with a population of twenty million.

From what I've heard, Europe's population didnt reach pre-Plauge levels until some time in the 1800's because of the global climate shift and all that jazz.
Populstat puts the French population at 29,107,000 in 1801, FYI. Theyre not terribly accurate, but usually theyre generally in the right neighborhood.

If I recall correctly, the historical Inca and Aztec empires were considered to have HUGE populations by the Europeans at the time, and the Inca 'only' had between 7-11 million people.

EDIT:
Ah-hah!
http://1632.org/1632tech/faqs/eur_pop.html

Its a little bit early, but it gives the population of various European countries quite nicely. Looks like you were right on France >_<
I was spot-on with the German population tough ;)

From what I've heard, Europe's population didnt reach pre-Plauge levels until some time in the 1800's because of the global climate shift and all that jazz.
Populstat puts the French population at 29,107,000 in 1801, FYI. Theyre not terribly accurate, but usually theyre generally in the right neighborhood.

If I recall correctly, the historical Inca and Aztec empires were considered to have HUGE populations by the Europeans at the time, and the Inca 'only' had between 7-11 million people.

EDIT:
Ah-hah!
http://1632.org/1632tech/faqs/eur_pop.html

Its a little bit early, but it gives the population of various European countries quite nicely. Looks like you were right on France >_<
I was spot-on with the German population tough ;)At the same time Germany had experinced the Thirty Years which will not be a factor here:
http://history.wisc.edu/sommerville/351/351-012.htm, which would mean by my estimation the population may well have grown to about twenty then.

The map looks great, though if I could grab a bit more on the west coast it will be perfect!

The map looks great, though if I could grab a bit more on the west coast it will be perfect!Alright then.:D

How is this: http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap21650mq1.png

Perfect! :D

I'm logging out, its been a long night. I'll be back on later. Peace!

I'll take New Zealand, Tasmania, New Guinea, and Syria.

Is it okay if i expand my claim? I'll take S China and the Eastern African Coast, as well as Italy, if it's okay.

I'll take New Zealand, Tasmania, New Guinea, and Syria.Alright, though that is an unusal claim.;)

Turkey, Greece, Former Yugoslavia, Romania. Rise of the new Ottoman Empire, buahahaha. Carloginian Kingdom though.

At the same time Germany had experinced the Thirty Years which will not be a factor here:
http://history.wisc.edu/sommerville/351/351-012.htm, which would mean by my estimation the population may well have grown to about twenty then.

That page puts the population of all of Germany at 16 million prior to the 30 years war, which seems like a reasonable level what with the plauges and all. The French population only grew by 2,000,000 in that space. Germany growing increasing its population by nearly 1/4 over twenty years is silly >_>
Also, Germany seems to be split, the more populous South was taken by that guy who claimed the Austrian area.

Also, the map on the front page is showing my last claim, not the one you picked >_>
Either one is fine, though :D

Turkey, Greece, Former Yugoslavia, Romania. Rise of the new Ottoman Empire, buahahaha. Carloginian Kingdom though.

Turkey, Greece, Former Yugoslavia, Romania. Rise of the new Ottoman Empire, buahahaha. Carloginian Kingdom though.

Wtf is wrong with my posts right now, gah. Anway, Shakal said shes moving. Go to advanced search and look up 'Invasion' if you need to put in my username. She said shes leaving for a while at the end of that.

Is it okay if i expand my claim? I'll take S China and the Eastern African Coast, as well as Italy, if it's okay.Sorry, you have to only chose two of the three as you are already large enough. As well, why do you want Italy I had the idea that you were an Asian country and if you please do not claim European land as that is some of the most sought after.;)

Turkey, Greece, Former Yugoslavia, Romania. Rise of the new Ottoman Empire, buahahaha. Carloginian Kingdom though.What color do you want?

Green.

I would like to claim Scotland. Yeah...just Scotland.

Colour....dark blue if possible. :)

Tibet (to fullest extent)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tibet-claims.jpg

Bhutan

Nepal

Sri Lanka

British Indian Ocean Territory

Green.Alright, you can only have light green then and by the way, don't you just want Bulgaria too.

Yes please, lol. Was just thinking I forgot something.

Tibet (to fullest extent)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tibet-claims.jpg

Bhutan

Nepal

Sri Lanka

British Indian Ocean TerritoryNo offense some of those claims are already taken, by me.:D

I would like to claim Scotland. Yeah...just Scotland.

Colour....dark blue if possible. :)


Just bumping so you can see it if by chance you missed it ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12847987#post12847987

Factbook. I had to be somewhat vauge in a few parts simply because of the diversity of the area. It would be impossible to list every ethincity, religion and political group >_>;

Yes please, lol. Was just thinking I forgot something.It is cool as we all are forgetful sometimes.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12847987#post12847987

Factbook. I had to be somewhat vauge in a few parts simply because of the diversity of the area. It would be impossible to list every ethincity, religion and political group >_>;Ships of the line don't you think that is going a little overboard?;)

I would like to claim Scotland. Yeah...just Scotland.

Colour....dark blue if possible. :)Got you.

Ships of the line don't you think that is going a little overboard?;)

*shrug*
Theyre in use now, according to Wikipedia, and the Inca have had about a hundred years to take in European ideas (if we assume contact took place at its historical time.)
The 'Ship of the Line' means a lot of things, as well. The idea has been around since the early 1500's, the basic qualification being that the ship can fire a full broadsides at a single target, and the idea of the 'Line of Battle' orginated in the mid-16th century.
So, I'd say the Inca qualify to have at least a few battleships, theyre not a particularly naval-keyed power, why would they be? Theyve got a pretty much infinite landmass to expand into. Basically the ships are just there to keep pirates and locals in line.

*shrug*
Theyre in use now, according to Wikipedia, and the Inca have had about a hundred years to take in European ideas (if we assume contact took place at its historical time.)
The 'Ship of the Line' means a lot of things, as well. The idea has been around since the early 1500's, the basic qualification being that the ship can fire a full broadsides at a single target, and the idea of the 'Line of Battle' orginated in the mid-16th century.
So, I'd say the Inca qualify to have at least a few battleships, theyre not a particularly naval-keyed power, why would they be? Theyve got a pretty much infinite landmass to expand into. Basically the ships are just there to keep pirates and locals in line.okay then, but you are streching it a bit as the ships of the line were at the top of European naval tech.

What about having triremes? Or galleys?

What about having triremes? Or galleys?Those are still pretty good in the more calm waters of the world so feel free to have them if you want, as I personally would like to have a couple nations have them.

Those are still pretty good in the more calm waters of the world so feel free to have them if you want, as I personally would like to have a couple nations have them.

Oh I know. I planned to have a few big ships made from Central African wood, but I was more suggesting an alternative to cannon-armed ships.

okay then, but you are streching it a bit as the ships of the line were at the top of European naval tech.

Thats why I've only got three of 'em :P
Most likely the Incans would have bought them, not built them.

As to galleys, they were in use even in the 19th century (by Russia and the Ottomans, but meh >_>)
They cant stand up to actual sailing ships though, the Portugese proved that. Galleys cant bring enough guns to bear, whereas a tall ship can fire half of its guns at once.
But galleys ARE faster than tallships in the short run, and more manuverable. Just dont expect ramming to do much >_>

Oh I know. I planned to have a few big ships made from Central African wood, but I was more suggesting an alternative to cannon-armed ships.They can be an alternative, but they are fundementally weaker due to the fact that they need rowers to power their rams. Due to this they need large amounts of space to be furnished for rowers to power the ship im combat and as such have far less space to mount guns. Which from there gives them less firepower and will lose in a most naval confrontations.

Thats why I've only got three of 'em :P
Most likely the Incans would have bought them, not built them.

As to galleys, they were in use even in the 19th century (by Russia and the Ottomans, but meh >_>)
They cant stand up to actual sailing ships though, the Portugese proved that. Galleys cant bring enough guns to bear, whereas a tall ship can fire half of its guns at once.
But galleys ARE faster than tallships in the short run, and more manuverable. Just dont expect ramming to do much >_>Alright then, I will do some research as to ship size of the time.

They can be an alternative, but they are fundementally weaker due to the fact that they need rowers to power their rams. Due to this they need large amounts of space to be furnished for rowers to power the ship im combat and as such have far less space to mount guns. Which from there gives them less firepower and will lose in a most naval confrontations.

Not to mention roundshot, chainshot, and grapeshot at close range would be absolutly devastating to a galleys crew, since the topdeck of a ship is typically pretty then, and many galleys are open-air.
A cannonball would most likely bounce off the bottom of the ship and wreak merry havoc down the length of the ship.

Alright then, I will do some research as to ship size of the time.

I believe the largest SOTL at the time had 90-100 guns, and there were few enough of those, the largest nations usually only had a few. Most battleships had something like 50-70 guns, although a lot of people used smaller frigate-like ships for patrol and pirate-hunting stuff.

I believe the largest SOTL at the time had 90-100 guns, and there were few enough of those, the largest nations usually only had a few. Most battleships had something like 50-70 guns, although a lot of people used smaller frigate-like ships for patrol and pirate-hunting stuff.

Actualy the largest ships of the time had only about 60 cannons on them, (typicaly the man-o-war or galleon, which were used for pirate hunting and treasure carrying) and the average sized ship had about 15-30 cannons on them.

North half of the thirteen colonies and east canada(great lakes area) please

I believe the largest SOTL at the time had 90-100 guns, and there were few enough of those, the largest nations usually only had a few. Most battleships had something like 50-70 guns, although a lot of people used smaller frigate-like ships for patrol and pirate-hunting stuff.The ships actually had a maxium of roughly sxity to seventy cannons on a ship of the time and did not reach the size until the eigtheenth century.

Actualy the largest ships of the time had only about 60 cannons on them, (typicaly the man-o-war or galleon, which were used for pirate hunting and treasure carrying) and the average sized ship had about 15-30 cannons on them.

North half of the thirteen colonies and east canada(great lakes area) pleaseYou are correct in that, but a few ships are large that were the flagships of fleets. As well, frigates would have 35-45 cannon on them.

Actualy the largest ships of the time had only about 60 cannons on them, (typicaly the man-o-war or galleon, which were used for pirate hunting and treasure carrying) and the average sized ship had about 15-30 cannons on them.

North half of the thirteen colonies and east canada(great lakes area) please

The ships actually had a maxium of roughly sxity to seventy cannons on a ship of the time and did not reach the size until the eigtheenth century.

You are correct in that, but a few ships are large that were the flagships of fleets. As well, frigates would have 35-45 cannon on them.

Blah, looks like I need to re-check my books on the period. I've been focusing more on Central Asia lately >_>

Blah, looks like I need to re-check my books on the period. I've been focusing more on Central Asia lately >_>Yes, I get you are a fellow history nerd.:D

Yes, I get you are a fellow history nerd.:D

I'm more into Russian and pre-Columbian South/Central America myself, though. I find it far more interesting than 1,000 years of the French, British and Spanish fighting each other.

I'm more into Russian and pre-Columbian South/Central America myself, though. I find it far more interesting than 1,000 years of the French, British and Spanish fighting each other.Imteresting as an uncommonly known thing is that there is an ancient city in the Americas, that is at least curretly known is Caral, it pushes the envelope of civilization back by a thousand years and was founded about 2600 B.C. Quite interesting in fact, but I wish to know didn't they actually start building pyrmaids.

No offense some of those claims are already taken, by me.:D

damn, thsty's just sri lanka.


you can keep that thing

Sorry, you have to only chose two of the three as you are already large enough. As well, why do you want Italy I had the idea that you were an Asian country and if you please do not claim European land as that is some of the most sought after.;)

S China, then, if it's not taken.

damn, thsty's just sri lanka.


you can keep that thingDo you just want Nepal, Bhutan, parts of Tibet, and some of Northern India for a mountain kingdom with lowland holdings?

Do you just want Nepal, Bhutan, parts of Tibet, and some of Northern India for a mountain kingdom with lowland holdings?

I'll take that, but can I get access to the sea in this deal(Sri lanka was just so I can go to the sea)

S China, then, if it's not taken.How does this look then?

http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2ve9.png

Would it be alright if I were to take the eastern coast of Australia as well? I don't want to inconvenience, but my claim seems awfully small compared to the rest.

I'll take that, but can I get access to the sea in this deal(Sri lanka was just so I can go to the sea)Well, you have to make a deal with Asherius then as he will be your neighbor.

Would it be alright if I were to take the eastern coast of Australia as well? I don't want to inconvenience, but my claim seems awfully small compared to the rest.It is alright, but what culture shall you be?

Is this good for everyone?

http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2gx7.png

It is alright, but what culture shall you be?

My culture? Well, my nation is the descendants of Roman settlers and legionaries...so I'd probably be a Greco-Roman culture.

My culture? Well, my nation is the descendants of Roman settlers and legionaries...so I'd probably be a Greco-Roman culture.

In East Australia?

Erm. Yeah. In the backstory, the sailors were trying to round the Cape of Good Hope and reach China, but a storm blew them off course to North Australia where they settled New Zealand.

Our first RP :D
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12849442#post12849442

Shakal Empire Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12849514#post12849514)

And Jade, I hope you know Im sooo going to help him for a piece of the pie.:D

I'll look forward to it :D

Can I have all of Japan, or as much as I can have?

Can I have all of Japan, or as much as I can have?You an sure as heck have all of Japan.:)

Also, what kind of timescale are we using? 1 day = 1 month, 1 week = 1 year, etc. etc.
Its kinda important, especially to me, since crossing the Atlantic takes some time :P

Also, what kind of timescale are we using? 1 day = 1 month, 1 week = 1 year, etc. etc.
Its kinda important, especially to me, since crossing the Atlantic takes some time :P

Same, but i would think that.
1 day-1 month unless a war is going on. then it needs to slow down.

Also, what kind of timescale are we using? 1 day = 1 month, 1 week = 1 year, etc. etc.
Its kinda important, especially to me, since crossing the Atlantic takes some time :P1 day= 4 months

Same, but i would think that.
1 day-1 month unless a war is going on. then it needs to slow down.

1 day= 4 months

Gotcha.

So, our war can officially start tommorow, DZR.
I'd guess it'll take about ~12 hours for a ship to cross the Atlantic, so my guys will be marching into your colony around 8AM (US pacific time.), which should be when my messenger gets back.

Gotcha.

So, our war can officially start tommorow, DZR.
I'd guess it'll take about ~12 hours for a ship to cross the Atlantic, so my guys will be marching into your colony around 8AM (US pacific time.), which should be when my messenger gets back.

I wont be on until tommorow night, Im not allowed on the computer during the day. So we will start tommorow night if thats ok?

I wont be on until tommorow night, Im not allowed on the computer during the day. So we will start tommorow night if thats ok?

I SUPPOSE ;)
In the mean time, I'm going to do some elaborate military posturing. :D

Gotcha.

So, our war can officially start tommorow, DZR.
I'd guess it'll take about ~12 hours for a ship to cross the Atlantic, so my guys will be marching into your colony around 8AM (US pacific time.), which should be when my messenger gets back.The timing for crossing the ocean is about about sixe weeks so you are pretty close in timing.;)

I'd read that six weeks was considered rather fast for a single ship. Since its a merchant ship, I'd say its a bit slower, being loaded down with goods and all.

I'd read that six weeks was considered rather fast for a single ship. Since its a merchant ship, I'd say its a bit slower, being loaded down with goods and all.Time varies, but about six to ten weeks would be about right for a ship to cross the Atlantic.

is Spain still open...?

Time varies, but about six to ten weeks would be about right for a ship to cross the Atlantic.

That sounds about right :)

is Spain still open...?Yeap, and Portugal is to. As well, what is Spain without her colonies?;)

I suppose I could take spain and some of her southern america lands if those are still open

I suppose I could take spain and some of her southern america lands if those are still openAlright then, yet a lot of her lands are taken and to give you a better prespective here is the map, as I need to know specfic claims: http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2gx7.png

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l255/rtpayton17/worldmap1650rq2gx7a.png

That work???

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l255/rtpayton17/worldmap1650rq2gx7a.png

That work???

i'll stick with the territory I have and be horribly isolationist

How does this look then?

http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2ve9.png

what about me? I asked for the 13 colonies.

Just a post for recognition that I claimed Japan

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l255/rtpayton17/worldmap1650rq2gx7a.png

That work???Sure does, as well everyonce once you have your factbook up no one can dispute your claim, unless if they asked first.:D

what about me? I asked for the 13 colonies.Relax, the time of posts was entirely different as I am online only so much a day.

Shakal Empire Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12849514#post12849514)

And Jade, I hope you know Im sooo going to help him for a piece of the pie.:D

Oh, Shakal. I thought you were moving?

i'll stick with the territory I have and be horribly isolationistGood, we need at least one truly secret exotic cutlure in the Orient.:)

Good, we need at least one truly secret exotic cutlure in the Orient.:)

Yeah, I will have like only 20 foreigners to enter the country a year.

we will have firearms however

I'm planning on having a gvt similar to the old Tibet (being ruled by a group of lamas and the leader is will be Dalai Lama)

Sure does, as well everyonce once you have your factbook up no one can dispute your claim, unless if they asked first.:D

How would I get the figures for population and other stuff?

How would I get the figures for population and other stuff?For the population it should be roughly be about an eigth of the population and for other stuff do some weapon reaserch and you should be fine.

Yeah, I will have like only 20 foreigners to enter the country a year.

we will have firearms however

I'm planning on having a gvt similar to the old Tibet (being ruled by a group of lamas and the leader is will be Dalai Lama)Good as what will this rp be without a mysterious, secretive, exoict culture in the Orient.

Just a post for recognition that I claimed Japan

...

...Do not worry you are covered.

Relax, the time of posts was entirely different as I am online only so much a day.

ok

:)

how do you change the map?

ok

:)

how do you change the map?Use a simple editing program that came with my computer.

Use a simple editing program that came with my computer.

Battletoads? :D

Good as what will this rp be without a mysterious, secretive, exoict culture in the Orient.

didn't someone just say that?

Use a simple editing program that came with my computer.

Whats the name of the program? :confused:

Occ: Battletoads :rolleyes:

Whats the name of the program? :confused:

Occ: Battletoads :rolleyes:No microsoft program that just allows me to edit pictures.

Countries we still need:

China
Russia
France
England
Persia
Some Moslem Countries
Western India
An Central Asian Country
Portugal

didn't someone just say that?:D

Countries we still need:

China
Russia
France
England
Persia
Some Moslem Countries
Western India
An Central Asian Country
PortugalBy the way how does this list look for everyone? Should I add any or are we just fine with this one?

I should have picked England...all I read about with Spain..is the conquest of the Aztecs...or how the Brits destroyed their Armada..

I should have picked England...all I read about with Spain..is the conquest of the Aztecs...or how the Brits destroyed their Armada..Spain acutally was, at least in real history, the greatest power in Euorpe from between about 1550-1700, yet on the other hand this is NS history not essentially real history.:p

Will you inform us on this thread when a new year begins?

Will you inform us on this thread when a new year begins?Sure, if you guys want as the creator of this thread I do believe it would be best for me to keep time in the line of the thread as standard and orderly as possible for everyone.

Great! :)

Spain acutally was, at least in real history, the greatest power in Euorpe from between about 1550-1700, yet on the other hand this is NS history not essentially real history.:p

I know...that...as far as founding out numbers and the like however I cant find any...except for things about their stupid armada getting owned by the English...:\

I know...that...as far as founding out numbers and the like however I cant find any...except for things about their stupid armada getting owned by the English...:\Acutally, even after the battle a majority of the Spanish vessals still survived the battle as the Spanish acutally were more strongly built and had more fire power then the ships of the British during this time.

Acutally, even after the battle a majority of the Spanish vessals still survived the battle as the Spanish acutally were more strongly built and had more fire power then the ships of the British during this time.

As I recall, the Spanish didnt lose any actual warships during the battle. Every ship sunk by the British was an armed merchantman.
And later on the Spanish landed several invasion forces on the British Isles.

Basically, the war ended because both sides got bored.

lol..I dont even care about the battle..I can't find numbers...lol

lol..I dont even care about the battle..I can't find numbers...lolHere is a good refernce page refering to the Armada,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada#Spain_and_Portugal

ty lol

ty lollol?

i dunno

i dunnoBy the way for your colonial population I would estimate roughly twenty million and about 6.5-8 million person for your homeland of Spain.

thank you

is there an IC thread?

is there an IC thread?In a sense every non-factbook thread is an IC thread if that is able to answer your question.

In a sense every non-factbook thread is an IC thread if that is able to answer your question.

ok, just checking if there was an IC thread that i missed.

thank youYour very weclome.

Im assuming if I use like 1.5% of my population that would give me my military strength and be realistic...?

Im assuming if I use like 1.5% of my population that would give me my military strength and be realistic...?Yeap, that should be about right in peacetime.

Yeap, that should be about right in peacetime.

ok..and in war time cap it at like what 2.5-3%..i know on NS people generally cap it at 5% or so..but I want to keep it realistic...sorry so many questions..just don't feel like getting yelled at to correct things later on...:p

ok..and in war time cap it at like what 2.5-3%..i know on NS people generally cap it at 5% or so..but I want to keep it realistic...sorry so many questions..just don't feel like getting yelled at to correct things later on...:pThat sounds very close to the best estimate for the time in the fact that, unlike the modern tech NS world, we do not have the same ability to supply our armies as we need larger support at home then and we cannot deploy as many frontline troops.

well its like 3am so I'll have my factbook finished tommorow

I'd rather like to join this RP, if it's alright.

For my land, I'd like as much of this as possible:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8755/laworlddk3.png

I'd rather like to join this RP, if it's alright.

For my land, I'd like as much of this as possible:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8755/laworlddk3.pngYou may, though I may tweak it a bit it will be about the same.

Fantastic.

Fantastic.Only rule is you have to have a basic factbook up in one week.

Grand. Is there limits to the ethnicity I can have, etc.? The name of my nation is to be the Principality of Hetgharia, and a factbooks coming tommorow.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12855768#post12855768

Sorry for the double post. BUt there's mein description.

Could I join this? If so, I'll be the Holy Honakon Empire (;)) and be claiming what remains of Italy (including Vatican City), Switzerland and France as my 'base' so to speak, with parts of Africa, Indonesia and Mayalsia, Canadian Islands and Northern South America in a deep blue colour as other lands and colonies (the only thing in deep purple that is not mine is the thing is Scotland, so just to make it clear.) I've also put dots on Gabon and the rest of Indonesia, as I would like them, though they may be a bit too much (though the Empire is still less then some, well, one or two.)

Map - http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1013/1650rpmapeditef0.png

Military wise, do we use what our countries had then?

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12854380#post12854380)

Could I join this? If so, I'll be the Holy Honakon Empire (;)) and be claiming what remains of Italy (including Vatican City), Switzerland and France as my 'base' so to speak, with parts of Africa, Indonesia and Mayalsia, Canadian Islands and Northern South America in a deep blue colour as other lands and colonies (the only thing in deep purple that is not mine is the thing is Scotland, so just to make it clear.) I've also put dots on Gabon and the rest of Indonesia, as I would like them, though they may be a bit too much (though the Empire is still less then some, well, one or two.)

Map - http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1013/1650rpmapeditef0.png

Military wise, do we use what our countries had then?

You kind of went a bit far there on your claims.
And military wise, The Scandinavians said you have to make an estimate, its the 1650's.

You kind of went a bit far there on your claims.
And military wise, The Scandinavians said you have to make an estimate, its the 1650's.

I thought I had looking through afterwards, though it didn't seem too much :p I was thought of basing myself as being nearly as powerful as the Nordic one, though I'm not sure if I was allowed that...

Anyway, if some have to be taken away, I'd prefer it if it was the Canadian bits, everywhere in South America bar the Colombian part, and Malaysia. If it's fine, which it might not be, then good.

Grand. Is there limits to the ethnicity I can have, etc.? The name of my nation is to be the Principality of Hetgharia, and a factbooks coming tommorow.Considering it is Russia there will be always large miniorities, yet I could care less if you choose to be Mongol Slavic, Jewish, Greek, Turkic, or Russian as each of these groups was there historically and as such I do not really care what group(s) you have of that list as genocide might have occured to get them out of these groups might have been barred entirely from entering so long as you use a group that was on the Steppes or in any of the other countries you control for the one that rules your country. Also, one thing I do not want right now is, for example, Native Americans in Armenia, as I want keep the demographics plausible.;)

I posted my factbook linky

I thought I had looking through afterwards, though it didn't seem too much :p I was thought of basing myself as being nearly as powerful as the Nordic one, though I'm not sure if I was allowed that...

Anyway, if some have to be taken away, I'd prefer it if it was the Canadian bits, everywhere in South America bar the Colombian part, and Malaysia. If it's fine, which it might not be, then good.My Empire actually rules over a lot of land with little population, my homelands, which make it look big, but acutally it contains little of the most important resource, people. As such my large homelands do not make it more valuable and in turn justifies me having such a large European land. Yet, for you have a heavily populated homeland, somewhere along the lines of around 28 million, which is over 2.5 times the pop of my homelands which in turn will not allow you as many colonies. Yet, to answer my own statements and your possible response I do know you cut down on your colonies signiffcaltly I was just making this statement to everyone. As well, I will only give the southern Greenland islands as most of the ones you requested where completely covered in ice at this time.;) New map will be ready in about ten minutes for your apporval.

I'm not sure if you designed the nations claimable along realistic lines, but in the mid-seventeenth century it was Sweden who was master of the Baltic, Russia had no part. The same can be said for the Ottomans and the Black Sea.

Russia's only seaport was at Archangel, frozen half the year. The Ottoman Tatars ruled the Crimea and the Black Sea, and Sweden, as stated, ruled the Baltic. This, combined with Peter the Great's treatment by the Swedes themselves while on his travels through Europe, was the impetus for the real-life Great Northern War.

/going away/

New map.

Honako is pink.

http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2eq5.png

I'm not sure if you designed the nations claimable along realistic lines, but in the mid-seventeenth century it was Sweden who was master of the Baltic, Russia had no part. The same can be said for the Ottomans and the Black Sea.

Russia's only seaport was at Archangel, frozen half the year. The Ottoman Tatars ruled the Crimea and the Black Sea, and Sweden, as stated, ruled the Baltic. This, combined with Peter the Great's treatment by the Swedes themselves while on his travels through Europe, was the impetus for the real-life Great Northern War.

/going away/Nope no historical lines for claiming land here.;)

Nope historical lines for claiming land here.;)

~ka-delete!~ ('guess you missed a word, all makes sense now!)

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Also, supposing you'd have me, I may be interested in playing the part North Yamalia played in the 17th Century, myself a modern-tech nation still localed on the real world map.

Right now, however, North Yamalia is not a Kingdom or an Empire, or anything of the such. They are a series of clans and tribes of barbarian Oriental horsemen living in the southern steppes of whatever Russia is right now.

[In the future they were relocated largely to the north, on the Arcitc Sea coast, to act as "pioneers", and so the Yamalia of today is quite different.]

New map.

Honako is pink.

http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2eq5.png

If it's not too much trouble could I swap the lands you gave me in West Africa for the ones on the Horn of Africa I desired previously, and ask for Sicily as well.

I will take the lovely chunk of ice and woodland that is eastern and northern Canada as well as Alaska.

Honako you're France correct..?

<---Spain...might work on some sort of alliance

EDIT: DAMN YOU JOLT TIMEWARP

Honako you're France correct..?

Yep.

<---Spain...might work on some sort of alliance

EDIT: DAMN YOU JOLT TIMEWARP

Good, I like allies :p. I'm also most of Italy as well, with some spread out colonies. I'm a kind of Holy State heavily influenced by the Pope. If your Catholic it is more likely to be a close alliance than one just because we are near.

well seeing as I had the inquisition...I'm pretty sure i have hordes of loyal catholics..

Considering it is Russia there will be always large miniorities, yet I could care less if you choose to be Mongol Slavic, Jewish, Greek, Turkic, or Russian as each of these groups was there historically and as such I do not really care what group(s) you have of that list as genocide might have occured to get them out of these groups might have been barred entirely from entering so long as you use a group that was on the Steppes or in any of the other countries you control for the one that rules your country. Also, one thing I do not want right now is, for example, Native Americans in Armenia, as I want keep the demographics plausible.;)


No worries over that! Hetghars are the people of my fictional Russia-esque nation. The citizens there are east Slavs.

~ka-delete!~ ('guess you missed a word, all makes sense now!)

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Also, supposing you'd have me, I may be interested in playing the part North Yamalia played in the 17th Century, myself a modern-tech nation still localed on the real world map.

Right now, however, North Yamalia is not a Kingdom or an Empire, or anything of the such. They are a series of clans and tribes of barbarian Oriental horsemen living in the southern steppes of whatever Russia is right now.

[In the future they were relocated largely to the north, on the Arcitc Sea coast, to act as "pioneers", and so the Yamalia of today is quite different.]As long as you have suitable time apporaite stats it will be alright.

:D Hello Just inquiring how updated is your map... i noticed England is free (shock) as is most of south Africa and Western Aussie.

Are they in a period of conflict or are they free to claim?:)

If so. Id like to join (hypothetically wanting England, rest of South Africa, small strip of land in western Australia (From Fremantle to Canarvron and only about 150 ks inland) Pakistani coast, Small strip of land from Bombay to Delhi, Nigerian Coast(Narrow strip) Congo coast (Tiny) remainder of Guyana, Northern Quebec and Falkland Islands......

is this to big????

If it's not too much trouble could I swap the lands you gave me in West Africa for the ones on the Horn of Africa I desired previously, and ask for Sicily as well.They are yours now.

:D Hello Just inquiring how updated is your map... i noticed England is free (shock) as is most of south Africa and Western Aussie.

Are they in a period of conflict or are they free to claim?:)

If so. Id like to join (hypothetically wanting England, rest of South Africa, small strip of land in western Australia (From Fremantle to Canarvron and only about 150 ks inland) Pakistani coast, Small strip of land from Bombay to Delhi, Nigerian Coast(Narrow strip) Congo coast (Tiny) remainder of Guyana, Northern Quebec and Falkland Islands......

is this to big????Alright, they are yours now, though I cut down on your India claim as it was just a little to bog, you only lost the island of India though.

I will take the lovely chunk of ice and woodland that is eastern and northern Canada as well as Alaska.Alright, though I cut you down on the coast of southern Alaska.:(

Good, I like allies :p. I'm also most of Italy as well, with some spread out colonies. I'm a kind of Holy State heavily influenced by the Pope. If your Catholic it is more likely to be a close alliance than one just because we are near.I am Roman Catholic in real life, but also Norwegian in real life to(I know a basically pure Norwegian that is a Catholic:eek:), so I am influneced to go with keeping my state Catholic. Though my only real differnce if that the Church is kept traditonal in and my places of worship simple, except the only real piece of art shall be my nation's glass windows and marble and gold altars. Yet, what I am saying my people prefer a simpler Church and my clergy tend to live like monks, yet they do ot really care about the luxury other nation's clergy live in as long as they are truly pious.;)

Alright, they are yours now, though I cut down on your India claim as it was just a little to bog, you only lost the island of India though.

Thanks!

Scrap Delhi how about a small dot for Bombay?

Thanks!

Scrap Delhi how about a small dot for Bombay?Alright, create a factbook , though to state you do not have to do one like mines which is pretty detailed with population and trade goods. As well, do not worry you still have the coast of India and Pakistan. To ask do you want to have a joint venture for the South African gold and diamond mines?:p

Here we go, its a work in progress..... (factbook)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12858497#post12858497post12858497


BTW what do you think would my estimated total population would be at this time? sorry to burden you...:)

I would like a joint venture for Gold and Diamonds in south Africa.. BTW I do have johannesburg "the city of gold" correct?

Here we go, its a work in progress..... (factbook)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12858497#post12858497post12858497


BTW what do you think would my estimated total population would be at this time? sorry to burden you...:)

I would like a joint venture for Gold and Diamonds in south Africa.. BTW I do have johannesburg "the city of gold" correct?

Have you pulled away from Rome like the real England...I'm basically the Roman Empire, but named the Holy Roman Empire, which has survived unlike in reality but lost much of it's land (France, Switzerland, Italy, the Vatican and Sicily are all that remain of it's European lands) and it could lead to some interest RP with you trying to marry into Catholic France much like in real history in order to smooth relations, and tiffs over religion and stuff.

I am Roman Catholic in real life, but also Norwegian in real life to(I know a basically pure Norwegian that is a Catholic), so I am influneced to go with keeping my state Catholic. Though my only real differnce if that the Church is kept traditonal in and my places of worship simple, except the only real piece of art shall be my nation's glass windows and marble and gold altars. Yet, what I am saying my people prefer a simpler Church and my clergy tend to live like monks, yet they do ot really care about the luxury other nation's clergy live in as long as they are truly pious.

Well, my nation will try and keep good relations with all the major Roman Catholic nations, and try and "influence" them due to the fact the Pope is arugably the most powerful man in my country. However, I won't try and be friends with everyone in Europe as it will be boring, so I'll try and not pursue too much relations maybe with the Balkan and Germanic lands and look to the North and West.

May I lay claim to Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait and Iran?

May I lay claim to Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait and Iran?You may have them since you asked so nicely.;)

Thank you, may I inquire as to how we are deciding population and wealth?

Population wise you will have to make an estimate, its the 1650 (example would be between 2-12 million). As for wealth, you earn money from your exports.

hrmm..dunno what to RP lol...I would help quell the Incans but there seems to be enough European involvement already

Scand, this is 1650 why is Australia around?

Spain acutally was, at least in real history, the greatest power in Euorpe from between about 1550-1700, yet on the other hand this is NS history not essentially real history.

Long number of pages back, but the Ottoman Empire trumped Spain. Even after Vienna. Spain over-extended itself too much.

Long number of pages back, but the Ottoman Empire trumped Spain. Even after Vienna. Spain over-extended itself too much.Ironically when Spain defeatd the Ottomans at Lepanto they were able to secure their hegomeny from outside influnces and also even after the Armada they remained the world's greatestm, but back to the ironic part even as the Spanish Hasburgs declined their kin in Austria rose to great power and ended being the ones to begin the Ottoman decline.

Scand, this is 1650 why is Australia around?Acutally, Australia was sighted first in 1606 by the Dutch.

Ironically when Spain defeatd the Ottomans at Lepanto they were able to secure their hegomeny from outside influnces and also even after the Armada they remained the world's greatestm, but back to the ironic part even as the Spanish Hasburgs declined their kin in Austria rose to great power and ended being the ones to begin the Ottoman decline

Actually, Lepanto was Venice's accomplishment. And the Ottoman Empire was able to exert the same force back over the Mediteranean only 6 months later. The Sultan went to a hellish effort to do that.

Acutally, Australia was sighted first in 1606 by the Dutch.

My bad, thinking of Captain Cook.

Looking for trade partners :)

Fourm is on the trade hub or is called: The Columbian Exchange

I kind of had an idea which may be a good way of having diplomatic talks and conferences in this without having to RP every single one. It would be called The Forum of Rome, and would be like an 1650 United Nations. It would start of being a place where the major colonial powers come to discuss the fate of the developing word (basically in there minds anywhere out of Europe :p) and co-ordinate, argue, debate other nations annexations. Meetings would be called in, though each major nation (something which would be decided by the amount of land in Europe.) would send a rep - don't make it your leader, as they could be there for literally years! Oh, and of course it would be in Rome, though the plot, some fancy building on my ground, would be called “neutral land” meaning that no one but the Forum leaders control it.

It would also be a place were countries could discuss trade and maritime affairs easily, and talk about a united blockading of nations who do something to annoy them (for example, England blocking trade of Spain because it called the King an idiot, then Spain and it's allies calling to the Forum of Rome for assistance in punishing England economically - and military if it had support). Allies could talk, as could enemies. Nations could chose to ignore this and even fight the choices of the Forum of Rome - unlike the world now back in the 17th century people would fight over anything (well, you could say that about the world now but...). Obviously, not all nations will get along, and this could lead to people declaring war with each other like they are saying hello, or sorting it out diplomatically. It's all about your nation’s personality, and anyway, the disagreements the Forum of Rome could cause are some of the most interesting things about it. If nations are at war with each other, they may still be in the Forum, and they will be allowed to argue across the room etc. ;)

I don't want to exclude the more minor nations, or major nations from this which are outside Europe, so as the world develops and ties are reached with these nations and Europe sees they have power, they to will be invited, as will the nations of which the Empires are trying to invade. I would invite you all, but realistically it’s best to start with Europe as they viewed themselves as the most powerful.

It would be a good place to hold talks, and basically could be the diplomatic and trading hub of this earth - and if nations fight the military hub too. If most are interested, I'll start it soon. If not - meh! :p

Which nations are still open.

oh theres lot o land left UK2, There are large chunks of Australia left unclaimed, as well as most of asia, the Middle east, South America, heck even some of Russia is left unclaimed lol.. check the map mate;)

BTW I dig you idea Honako, even though my englands like a more "liberal" cromwellian utopia (by the fact that we tolerate catholics, thats saying a lot for England LOLZ) I believe Angloesia is a major player and will send William sopworth the consul for the great shepard Joseph thompson.

Honako, I say that your a genius, :cool: I want to be the first to join.

Hon, nce idea but i won't join because I am an isolationist nation and i wouldn't do any of that

Meanwhile, hetgharia's gonna be in the mood for finding some allies. Any takers?

Meanwhile, I've launched a war against the Turks.
Feel free to get involved everyone!
Sakhal, Scandivians, and Honoko should take a look at the thread as well.

Give me a link.

Give me a link.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12860308#post12860308

Alright, though I cut you down on the coast of southern Alaska.:(

That's fine, but it seems like you've already given the land I claimed to someone else? The land is marked in light green and that supposedly belongs to Carloginias? I'll wait until I find out what the situation is until I post my factbook.

Turkey, Greece, Former Yugoslavia, Romania. Rise of the new Ottoman Empire, buahahaha. Carloginian Kingdom though.Lorkhan do not worry, as this is his actual claim and so please go aheah and make your factbook as your claim does not conflict any of his and if it does, what is he doing in Canada when it would be impratical for any non-native group to exert control over that wasteland anyway?:p

Could I take Western Australia.

Could I take Western Australia.Sorry taken, here is the map with the remaining opening places.

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2ax2.png

WASTELAND?! WE HAVE TREES! AND POLAR BEARS! HOCKEY! AND THE HART FAMILY!

I'll show you. I'll show you all the true power of the Kingdoms of Imperial Lorkhan. Lands.

Can I have coastal Brazil too?

The Northern Territory of Australia isn't taken so could I have that.

WASTELAND?! WE HAVE TREES! AND POLAR BEARS! HOCKEY! AND THE HART FAMILY!

I'll show you. I'll show you all the true power of the Kingdoms of Imperial Lorkhan. Lands.

Can I have coastal Brazil too?Relax, I was joking.;)

What are you are you a colonial power to?;) Yet, if you really want it sure.:p

The Northern Territory of Australia isn't taken so could I have that.Yeap, you may have it.

I was offered land in China and Korea. I'll take it, although I'll have to find a way to merge the history well with this one...

I was offered land in China and Korea. I'll take it, although I'll have to find a way to merge the history well with this one...I believe the history that you have for your nation in MT NS is acutally quie suitable, though you may have to remove the more modern parts as if I am right your history was made about this time as in your factbook your nation was defined to its current extent in this time period. As well, to note I think Chinese will be as advanced in production at this time, have a population of between 110-125 million(?), and as for gunpowder forces they will be able to field forces that will be able to hold their own against European forces of the time save in naval warfare. I do attempt to do some research on the background of the world's truly time spaning cultures such as China, Egpyt, Rome, American pre-Columbian cultures, Greece, and Persia after all as history is the most fun of all subjects.:p

By the way how does this look for you?

http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2fv8.png

If possible, could the northern border be the Amur River?

Otherwise, that's fine.

Hmmm a war against a fellow Muslim Power.... interesting.

If possible, could the northern border be the Amur River?

Otherwise, that's fine.Alright, I am a little over, though I do hope it is good.

http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmap1650rq2sz8.png

That's fine. Tomorrow, I will have a factbook for this - strangely, this might all fit within my own NS history, and this might make a contribution to making the unabridged version of the history :D

That's fine. Tomorrow, I will have a factbook for this - strangely, this might all fit within my own NS history, and this might make a contribution to making the unabridged version of the history :DGood, I thought you would be able to use your own history, but who knew it would come to the benefit of your nation's history.

Okay folks. Quick post.

I'm at a conference, going to an overnight, followed by summer camp. Activity's going to be limited to next Sunday and then I'll be gone for a week. Sorry.

Rest assured that when I come back it will be with a bang. :p

Okay folks. Quick post.

I'm at a conference, going to an overnight, followed by summer camp. Activity's going to be limited to next Sunday and then I'll be gone for a week. Sorry.

Rest assured that when I come back it will be with a bang. :pAlright, just make sure it is a big bang.;)

Relax, I was joking.;)

What are you are you a colonial power to?;) Yet, if you really want it sure.:p

I know you were joking. : - D
No one would genuinely insult Canada.
They have Chris Benoit.
Well.
They did.

Lorkhan - are you in Canada? If so, this will be good - I have colonies on islands their I'm now glad to have, and my nation is ruled by the Vatican (I'm the Holy Roman Empire, mainland Italy, Switzerland and France).

I know you were joking. : - D
No one would genuinely insult Canada.
They have Chris Benoit.
Well.
They did.Or was I.:p Also, to point out I think it would be akward for you to have some Brazilian lands in that sailing for you is hard for you due to your location in the far frozen north.

Lorkhan - are you in Canada? If so, this will be good - I have colonies on islands their I'm now glad to have, and my nation is ruled by the Vatican (I'm the Holy Roman Empire, mainland Italy, Switzerland and France).Good luck getting the Swiss to fight outside their homeland.:)

Or was I.:p Also, to point out I think it would be akward for you to have some Brazilian lands in that sailing for you is hard for you due to your location in the far frozen north.

Well, initialy when I chose Canada I wanted all of Eastern and Northern Canada. My ports would be in Novia Scotia and the lower eastern portion of the country where land was habitable. At the time I am pretty sure all of Canada was avalible.

There was probably a misunderstanding, or I could just be wrong and don't remember correctly. At this point I'm aware that Novia Scotia is taken. I will not challenge that. I am just hoping we can slightly deny a very small bit of reality to allow myself to make due.

Lorkhan - are you in Canada? If so, this will be good - I have colonies on islands their I'm now glad to have, and my nation is ruled by the Vatican (I'm the Holy Roman Empire, mainland Italy, Switzerland and France).

Are you implying a Christian invasion of the Godless heathen Nordic tribes? To this we say; fear not Satan. Fear the ill tempered women, and then the weather! HA!

Good luck getting the Swiss to fight outside their homeland.:)

I don't know if that was directed to me or Honako, but I was actually considering requesting the formation of an alliance of sorts with your nation in MT, mostly due to our IC common heritage (Lorkhan was a country founded by Scandinavians fleeing the Christian treatment of pagens in Europe) and my RL obsession with all things Scandinavian. I planned on writing an IC TG to you before bed, but I am exhausted and incapable of such a feat.

Well, initialy when I chose Canada I wanted all of Eastern and Northern Canada. My ports would be in Novia Scotia and the lower eastern portion of the country where land was habitable. At the time I am pretty sure all of Canada was avalible.

There was probably a misunderstanding, or I could just be wrong and don't remember correctly. At this point I'm aware that Novia Scotia is taken. I will not challenge that. I am just hoping we can slightly deny a very small bit of reality to allow myself to make due.Let us leave it to the other rpers to decide as a Mod of this thread, I do like to have the input of others on such matters.

I don't know if that was directed to me or Honako, but I was actually considering requesting the formation of an alliance of sorts with your nation in MT, mostly due to our IC common heritage (Lorkhan was a country founded by Scandinavians fleeing the Christian treatment of pagens in Europe) and my RL obsession with all things Scandinavian. I planned on writing an IC TG to you before bed, but I am exhausted and incapable of such a feat.lol, I acutally am 87.5 Norwegian in real life, but I am willing to await for your email till whatever time you wish to send it to me tommorrow.