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Oooooo.... my post is only half the size of his! I have failed! Woe is me! No matter the fact that all my other forces have nothing relevant to do at this moment other than 'wait for the enemy'.

Shut up. I'm not talking about Questers anyway. I'm talking about everyone else on the thread, who are able to post but are just sitting on their hands for some reason.

This is meant to be the NS war of the century, not a war that TAKES a century.

You've obviously have never seen The Macabee's 'A Passion Play'

I think that was upwards of over a year to finish, mostly because SafeHaven disappeared. I'd say we're going pretty good.

Oooooo.... my post is only half the size of his! I have failed! Woe is me! No matter the fact that all my other forces have nothing relevant to do at this moment other than 'wait for the enemy'.

Shut up. I'm not talking about Questers anyway. I'm talking about everyone else on the thread, who are able to post but are just sitting on their hands for some reason.

This is meant to be the NS war of the century, not a war that TAKES a century.

There's no need to be so rude.

The War of Golden Succession lasted for a good long time, this conflict was never meant to be a quick one.

Oooooo.... my post is only half the size of his! I have failed! Woe is me! No matter the fact that all my other forces have nothing relevant to do at this moment other than 'wait for the enemy'.

Shut up. I'm not talking about Questers anyway. I'm talking about everyone else on the thread, who are able to post but are just sitting on their hands for some reason.

This is meant to be the NS war of the century, not a war that TAKES a century.


Crimm, chill out. I'm serious, just chill out.

Scand's right. Everyone chillax. That and the RP is damn fun to read so far. Keep up the good work everyone!

First attack on the home front: 21,120 missiles per salvo * 6 salvos = 126,720 missiles targeted against the tripwire positions. In other words, think of it as having roughly 6,336 JDAMs dropped on those positions.

Er... sorry. Been a bit of stress in my life lately.

Doom, where'd you get the idea that thermobarics are a poor anti-armor weapon? One of the uses I've seen listed for the MOAB is a mass anti-armor weapon. Buttoned up tanks, and by extension the crews inside, are not immune to severe overpressure; a thermobaric detonation above a hatch is going to turn everything inside, crew included, into paste. It won't completely destroy the tank, sure, but what use is a tank if the crew has been reduced to their base atomic structures?

Contrary to some published claims, it most certainly is not an Ethylene-Oxide Fuel-Air Explosive (FAE). Some initial reports had stated that this replacement for the BLU-82 bomb uses more of the slurry of ammonium nitrate and powdered aluminum used in the BLU-82. Other reports indicated that the MOAB might use tritonal explosive as opposed to the gelled slurry explosive of the BLU-82.

As you can see, MOAB is not a thermobaric weapon. I've never heard of thermobaric weapons being capable of being used as an effective anti-armor weapon, otherwise I'm sure we'd have seen something about thermobaric anti-armor weapons by now...

As you can see, MOAB is not a thermobaric weapon. I've never heard of thermobaric weapons being capable of being used as an effective anti-armor weapon, otherwise I'm sure we'd have seen something about thermobaric anti-armor weapons by now...

For their size, thermobaric weapons are, compared to say HEAT. But so is normal HE. But a 500 pound bomb is still a highly useful anti-tank weapon. So the blast and overpressure of MOAB should be enough to do what Scand says.

I never said the MOAB was an FAE, I said it was a thermobaric. The MOAB creates such a huge blast wave that the heat and massive overpressure most certainly do make it a thermobaric. And a MOAB will mess up a company of tanks, buttoned up or no, simply because the blast is so huge.

Alright just confirming that I am in the process of writing up a post that will include hospital ship action and off loading his submarines. On the hospital ships, if anyone has a ship/group of ships/floating survivors a hundred or more miles from still active naval forces drop me a TG or contact me on IRC because I'd like to try to RP the medical ships treating survivors from any and all sides.

OK, remaining ships in Force F (merged of E/D, and not counting replenishments)

22 Hiryu Class Fleet Carriers
10 Nagato Class BBCGs
45 Couraegous Class BBs
42 Valiant Class BBs
667 County Class Heavy Cruisers
710 Mogami Class Cruisers
50 Myoko Class Cruisers
995 Hayasake Class Destroyers

My attack:
22,000 missiles (will specify class later) directed at SS's escorts
22,000 missiles (will specify class later) directed at SS's capital ships
22,000 missiles (will specify class later) directed at Oceania/Cravanian ships in general

EDIT: how do i double posted

K'stan, you specifically mentioned that you had no carriers in your fleet. Can you please tell me how you:

1. How you scrambled fighters to attack the Kriegos fleet 1,500km away.
2. What ASM's you're firing at it.
3. Where your carriers appeared from: I quote:

Along the western side was the bulk of the Kahanistan Republic Navy, under the command of Fleet Admiral Carl Jenkins, veteran of the Kraven, Pwnage, Doomani, and Hatarian wars. Jenkins' fleet was concentrated on the west, away from the more strategically important (to the Questarian Commonwealth, not Kahanistan) Strobovian Strait; he had only two heavy battleships, thirty submarines, fifty destroyers, and 118 frigates, whereas on the west he had no less than sixty warships that could be called heavy battleships, including many imports from Mer des Ennuis and over thirty Emmanuel Goldstein class heavy battleships, not to mention over 100 Isselmerian-made cruisers and over 500 destroyers, in addition to numerous missile boats, submarines, and coastal defence artillery.

4. How you picked my bombers up at 825km
5. How you vectored fighters in on their flight path, when you don't even know where they are.
6. How a fleet of under 200 escorts only lost 6 ships against 3,500 misssiles.

Posts coming today for Gholgoth / Home Front.

*prods matt to respond to his defense of the Paramount Islands* It's on page 1 >.>

K'stan, you specifically mentioned that you had no carriers in your fleet. Can you please tell me how you:

1. How you scrambled fighters to attack the Kriegos fleet 1,500km away.
2. What ASM's you're firing at it.
3. Where your carriers appeared from: I quote:

Along the western side was the bulk of the Kahanistan Republic Navy, under the command of Fleet Admiral Carl Jenkins, veteran of the Kraven, Pwnage, Doomani, and Hatarian wars. Jenkins' fleet was concentrated on the west, away from the more strategically important (to the Questarian Commonwealth, not Kahanistan) Strobovian Strait; he had only two heavy battleships, thirty submarines, fifty destroyers, and 118 frigates, whereas on the west he had no less than sixty warships that could be called heavy battleships, including many imports from Mer des Ennuis and over thirty Emmanuel Goldstein class heavy battleships, not to mention over 100 Isselmerian-made cruisers and over 500 destroyers, in addition to numerous missile boats, submarines, and coastal defence artillery.

4. How you picked my bombers up at 825km
5. How you vectored fighters in on their flight path, when you don't even know where they are.
6. How a fleet of under 200 escorts only lost 6 ships against 3,500 misssiles.

Now, I try to stay off the OOC thread so I don't get into unwinnable debates that end up slowing the thread, so you'll have to content yourself with this.

2. I have DPR for the Praetonian Lance ASM, which I use in most of my fleets.
4. They gave away their position when they fired on me. It's not that hard to track the direction a missile came from and send something to hunt in its general direction.
5. I simply assumed they would be with the bombers that gave away their position when they attacked me. You don't deploy bombers without fighters, even I know that.
6. The western fleet has 800 ships, the eastern fleet is the one with 200 escorts. The losses are only those that the particular officer knows about.

But you didn't answer question 1. Much the same as 3.

2. Lance has a range of ~600km. The Kriegos fleet is ... 1500km away. Lance is not a Khan kthx.

3. Where are your fighters coming from? There are no Kahanistanian carriers in the western fleet [if there were, I am ignoring them, because you do not miss out capital ships in your order of battle and then sneak them in when it appears you need them]

4. RADAR does not detect a target the moment it fires. 825km is well out of surface to air detection and interception range. In any case, your fleet doesn't have any aircraft to send up, and my bombers will be well within their own fighter bracket by the time your landbased fighters can intercept them, and in any case, I wouldn'tw ant to fight 825km from the shore in a fighter against FA15s.

5. There are no fighters. There doesn't need to be, since you will not know the bombers are there until the missiles run into your detection range.

6. [I'm not attacking the eastern fleet.] Its usually common RP practice to note how many you've lost, even OOCly. If you don't, I won't, and meh, I'm not too bothered, but okay.

Right guys, sorry, I've been a bit tense recently as I just got my GCSE grades today. Thank god thats over.

Right guys, sorry, I've been a bit tense recently as I just got my GCSE grades today. Thank god thats over.
It may have been fourteen years since I did those examns, but I still remember the stress of it..I for one understand it.:)

Questers, just wondering... did any of my torpedoes do anything at all to your fleet?

Questers, when you post about those Paras attacking Midlonia, please also post about the paras I dropped ages ago, post attacking them andthe damage they are doing.

OK, I will be back 1st September early morning UK, I have a flight to catch. there've been disruptions on my end (went away for a few days etc) so posting will continue as normal on my return.

Hey. I've talked to some of the combatants about this already (just AMF and Allanea so far) but I want to get the formal question out there: may I please join? I've gotten involved in like four threads lately and all have died, and I need SOMETHING to do desperately; I've also wanted to be a part of this for some time. What say you all?

Question Allanea.

You say your fleet is half my size. That means you have approximately 150 ships.

Now, given how these 150 ships just fired "tens of thousands" - lets assume that to be 30,000 - that's 200 missiles per ship. Now please tell me how any these 150 ships can still be floating when I fired 23,854 missiles at them, considering they just launched what would be a gigantic percentage of their SAMs at my land aircraft.

Wouldn't the long-range SAMs be completely different and separate from the anti-missile equipment? Frankly I have no clue. All I know is that I stick lots and lots of MTHEL and SEPS on any ships my government buys, and then fire them all. That and the usual defenses ships come with.

It doesn't matter. A 150 ship fleet that has just fired off tens of thousands of missiles does not have the capacity to defend itself from 23,000 sunburn/kh22 sized anti ship missiles. Either you have lots of long range SAMs or you have lots of anti missile missiles. You can't have both (or you can have a mediocre amount of both, which you clearly don't, as you fired 'tens of thouasnd of sams'). Neither can MTHELs or SEPS protect you from thousands of missiles at a 150 ship strong fleet. That fleet should be sitting on the bottom of the ocean unless it has a magic force field like your air defence and tanks do.

My eyes hurt, it's 6AM and I can't seem to want to argue. Edited such so that I can keep my attack on the carrier going - for plot more then anything - and then you can feel free to blow up the survivors.

OOC: Frankly, I don’t see why you should be able to call damage on my nation. I explained rather well why I should be able to avoid this damage, I think, and I don’t plan to retcon it. Deal with it. If you want to ignore-retcon-whatever, that’s your problem, not mine. As far as I am concerned, No Endorse has attempted attacking Allanea and failed due to the fact my allies defended me and because I defended myself. Allanea did not retaliate for IC reasons, which will be revealed if someone tries to find out ICly.. That is all.

Your SDI is one of the least effective I've seen. You attacked my re-entry vehicles during terminal (when relative velocities exceed several km/s and heat refraction/reflection makes lasers unusable), your satellites are immune to getting hit with the equivalent of a giant shotgun in space, you claim 100% interdiction at this scale, and you put your faith in using darts.

But it's your nation to control, and as such, please refrain from entering into my threads and I'll reciprocate the courtesy.

Mmm, that's quite a misinterpretation of what happened, as the Cyclops fired after the missiles launched their MIRV's but before terminal, but that doesn't matter.

On we go with the RP.

Kahanistan,

I think it'd be helpful for everyone if you could give us an official overview of terrain in your country. I'm pretty confused myself in that regard...

Kahanistan, what are you shooting Khans from? I bombarded AA and coastal stuff with ARMs as I approached your coast. As well, I would have needed to have leveled your cities before landing, so my troops wont be affected by your nuking of your cities, as they weren't to land until AFTER the cities were landed.

I'll reply when I get a response. :P

*facepalms*

First of all, a lot of people assumed that since I was a desert in the Negev, I'd be a desert when I relocated to Haven. As much as I hate having my posts picked apart, I didn't want to correct them.

Most of Havenic Kahanistan is grassland, with some forests and sandy beaches. Metzuda, the capital, is on elevated, rocky and hilly terrain, and is one of the best defended cities in Haven.

The Khans are in missile batteries well-concealed underground and protected by an armoured door that only rolls back when they're about to fire. You can, of course, shoot some of them down in flight. However, the majority of AA and artillery was either destroyed or had been moved to Metzuda.

Pretty much, you won't have a lot of fighting until you get to the capital, and then there'll be (hopefully) an epic battle, worthy of song, before I semi-reboot on the island that Allanea was helping me colonise, and I take a break from warfare in general until I learn decent tactics.

BTW: Zukariaa, have you revamped your nation's religion yet? I mentioned in your old religion thread that about a million of my people worship the Zukaarian god Ghayfagu. I'd like to have an idea of the effect your revamp will have on this figure.

Oh, I see. Thanks.

About my religion, assume that it's the old one for now. I haven't gotten around to changing the religion, and I might not do it at all.

As for my statement that Kahanistan is in the way of my overall strategic goals, it is only because it was attacked, not because of it itself. Kind of an odd situation there.

Eh...after that nuclear strike of your's there's no room for epic battles around Metzuda, unfortunately (I was actualy looking forward to a long, excessively bloody siege that probably would've needed its own thread...); Doomie doctrine after being hit with a 30 megaton device is simply to turn the opponenet into a large sheet of glass.

Olmedreca;13114897']erm, TPF, aren't 500 Boeng-747's getting out little optimistic approach considering that doom just threw shitload of nukes around and also aimed some directly at them?

Right. But considering he launched over 6 gigatons of nukes and there is still millions of civvies left alive, I figured some would make it out. But if you guys really feel that all of 'em should be wasted, I suppose I can edit it. So few got out it doesn't even make any difference. And now all that radiation is gunna be floating all around Haven...

erm, TPF, aren't 500 Boeng-747's getting out little too optimistic approach considering that doom just threw shitload of nukes around and also aimed some directly at them?

I'm guessing that the reason those civvies survived was because Kstan had them all get into the bunkers after he launched his own nuke strike (although how the bunkers managed to withstand a gigaton surface burst without caving in is beyond me, but i guess it makes for a more entertaining story), so they would have been there by the time the nukes hit...your planes were still in the air when the nules hit, the shockwave from the blasts alone would be enough to send a 747 into the ground, but meh. I don't really care, you can edit it if you want.