NationStates Jolt Archive

Allright, Let's keep all the OOC chatter for this in here, as well as links for all the corresponding threads.


NEWS FLASH: GAME ON PEOPLE! MAJOR THREADS ARE NOW UP AND RUNNING

THREADS

Development threads

Gholgothian Mobilization (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530657)
Questerian Commonwealth Mobilization (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530617)
Ardan Mobilization (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530212)
Northfordian Mobilization/Cravanian Intel (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530633)
Barkozy and Quester's meeting (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530748)
DPUO's thingy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530676)
Crave's Dissent/ Mobilization (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530790)
Azaha's Mobilization/Newspaper thingy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12800889)
NATO Mobilizations (for those that haven't done it yet) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530872)
Scand's Mobilization (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530788)
Ivory Jaguar's thingy (Left Handed Warfare) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12801908)
Macabees mobilization (Can be used by other NATO nations as well) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530873)
Northland stuff (Illior/Cravan that could be invade eventually) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12803000)
TSS's "There'll be no shelter here," (could turn into conflict thread) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531097)
Playing With Fire (Melk's side story) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531230)
North's Crave's and Azazia's thingy... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12874664)
Zuk & Crave's thing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532898)


Theater threads/ War threads
When Dawn Breaks (SS and Skinny Only) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530857)

Seasons In The Abyss (AMF Vs. Doom) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521883)

Because Peace Is Intolerable (Questarian/home front) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532858)

Because Peace Is Intolerable (Gholgothian Front) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532859)

Because Peace Is Intolerable (Havenic Front) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532860)

THIS RP IS CLOSED TO ALL UNLESS YOU HAVE THE INVITATION OF EITHER AUTOMAGFREEK OR QUESTERS TO ENTER

Want into the war but not invited? Look Here! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530782)

and Let's see the most updated list I have for the moment... More to be added as I get informed by Questers or AMF. I'm pretty sure that at this point these are the final lists, but if you want in, talk to AMF/Questers.

Gholgothian/NATO Nations
Automagfreek
Tyrandis
Aequatio
Liberty Fighters
The Ivory Jaguar
Atlantian Outcasts
The Charr
Haraki
Pantera
Generic empire
Sniper Country
Illior
Elara
Sigma Octavus
Artitsa
Samtonia
Adejaani
The Borman Empire
Crimmond
Scandavian States
Carbandia
The Macabees
DontPissUsOff
Ambrose-Douglas
The Freethinkers
The Silver Sky
Allanea
Cravan
Greenmanbry
HailandKill
Granzi
Melkor Unchained
Kahanistan


SL/ QC Nations
Questers
Praetonia(?)
Zukariaa
Kriegorgrad
Northford
Azaha
Ambrosia Incorporated
Doomingsland (?)
Barkozy
Skinny 87

This is going to be a great war, chock full of great writers. Cheers to a good one guys!

[Taggage!]

Whatever the outcome of this, whoever wins it then there will be a New World Order.

Gotta love those odds!
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k250/IJNYamamoto/thoseodds.jpg

OK. Let me explain this easier. The correct national adjective of Questers is Questarian, not Questerian. However, you can say Questerian ICly in the way that somepeople occasioanlly incorrectly refer to Britain as England, or British as English.

Have fun guys, the whole world will be watching.

To bad I can't participate, but it doesn't matter that much. Good luck Questers!

I would like to be involved, but not on either side... preferrably more as an "(heavily) armed neutral."

I really don't want to be involved in the combat aspect unless relations between Sarzonia and Praetonia deteriorate to the point where we're at war, but I believe the thread in which Sarzonia imposes economic and diplomatic sanctions has/had some potential.

I would love to participate, however, I am still without a computer. :(

Isnt Clandonia in the SL/Questerian Commonwealth Thingy?

No.

Questers I sent you a TG.

Whatever the outcome of this, whoever wins it then there will be a New World Order.

Prole.

I don't have much time on my hands at the moment, but put me tentatively on the Questers Commonwealth side.

Prole.

Oh cmon man! Not on jolt!

TBA, I'll reply tomorow, i'm about to go to bed. Tired as hell.

Questers I sent you a TG.



TBA, I'm not too thrilled with you magically having a character on the mountain top with Azrael, but if that's as far as it goes then I suppose the post can stay.

cool...

TBA, I'm not too thrilled with you magically having a character on the mountain top with Azrael, but if that's as far as it goes then I suppose the post can stay.

Yea.. I figured you would have something to say, and I am totally cool with deleting it. I was short on time and posted quickly.

Here's hoping this runs till September or so. In the meantime, http://www.alfaj0r.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/more-smilies/sa/emot-munch.gif

Illior, I know for a fact that Doom isn't involved in this war.

Two things:
1: Illior, I belive you forgot me on that list. Assuming you guys want my assistance, of course.:)

2: Matt, with regards to those Hiei's and that Nagato (4 and 1, respectively) I bought from you a while back..Would any of these be considered ready for service in this rp? Material wise, at least, that is?

@ SS... Questers told me otherwise, but I thought as you did, which is why there's the question mark next to his name, as I'm not sure whether or not he will be in on it, but Doom's away as I remember so when he gets back he can verify whichever is correct.

@Carby
Scandavian States
Carbandia
The Macabees

Look a bit closer eh? ;)

EDIT: Updated and added Matt's and Barky's thread

Btw, I'm going to go take a nap and then write up my mobilization thread. So don't start the invasion until I do, m'kay?

@Carby


Look a bit closer eh? ;)

EDIT: Updated and added Matt's and Barky's thread
D'oh. I really can be blind sometimes..Maybe I need a stronger pair of glasses again..Or maybe it's the week I've been having..:D

Yay OOC Thread!
Let's have some fun guys!

[Tag]

I feel I need something more spectacular to say on this momentous occasion. I think I'll just settle for

Allez Cuisine!

added edit for DPUO thread

Two things:

First, I'm not in NATO or Gholgoth. :p

Secondly, I was not made aware when I was brought into this exactly how many people would be fighting on either side. Everyone I talked to on IRC made it sound like this would be some super-exclusive affair, limited to a select few. Looking at the rolls this doesn't appear to be the case. Is everyone involved acting in a military capacity or are a few countries (I'd hope like.... half of them, at least on the Gholgothan side) acting as production/economic centers?

Should be a fun ride.

Also, Matt, I'm curious - with regards to Questerian and Questarian, how would one tell which was being said out loud? Pronunciation difference?



Anyway, here's hoping for a good one.

Melkor: From what I know a good few on the Allied side of things are going to be contributing minimal, if any, military force. And trust me, if this RP weren't closed everybody and their dog would be joining in; as major II wars go, this is a fairly select group.

My contingent is posted on the NATO forums. It'll be role played by Scandavian States. I still have to go through and do the specifics. I'll post some sort of mobilization post at some point, wherever is proper.

Melkor: From what I know a good few on the Allied side of things are going to be contributing minimal, if any, military force. And trust me, if this RP weren't closed everybody and their dog would be joining in; as major II wars go, this is a fairly select group.

There's forty people on the list and somehow that's a "select group?" This is a much larger RP than I had been led to believe it was...

Of the entire Gholgoth/NATO side, who is really fighting with any considerable amount of forces? I know I'm not.

I have a feeling I'll be on the defensive for the most part. -___-

Ah, this'll be fun. Seeing as our side is considerably smaller, I'll certainly be putting my all into this. Here's to an epic RP with no bitching!

Crave: D:<

D:< to yourself. I pwned you when we were both nubs, and I... Well, I probably won't have any contact or at least very little with you this time. XD

pure awesomeness, I will be watching this very closely. Hopefully it doesn't go the war of the CA-GASN wars >.>

Though I'm not at all phased about not being in this. Afterall, after all (or most) or you have spent yourselves in battle I will be one to be reckoned with :D

Anyways I say we start placing the bets on the table.

*Lays wad of cash and jelly beans on NATO/Golgoth*

Good Hunting.

There's forty people on the list and somehow that's a "select group?" This is a much larger RP than I had been led to believe it was...

Originally, it was. But then, when everyone saw that someone semi-decent was charging against AMF, everyone decided to jump on.

I have a feeling I'll be on the defensive for the most part. -___-
Just give the word, and I'll send everything I can spare to help with that..

Assuming I don't get attacked myself, of course..

I'll be running a bit of both warring and support in this.

Need help guys, give me a buzz. I've got supplies coming out the wazoo.

I have approx. 277,000 soldiers (including tank crews) and 970 or so MBT's in Gholgoth right now, and probably another 310,000 personnel and 1200 or so tanks in reserve. The Third Fleet (~700 ships including fighters) is also in the region with another two fleets in reserve.

I will be taking a leading combat role within AMF itself. As far as I know my armies won't be tolerated within any other Gholgothan states' borders, so anyone attacking AMF proper will probably have to deal with the Ardan host. The numbers strike me as fairly modest compared to some of the other deployments I've seen, but it bears stressing that the "experience and quality of Ardan arms" ought to factor heavily into our calculations. A common claim I'm sure, but I like to think I've earned such status.

Anyone who thinks they might have to deal with me is encouraged to TG me here or PM me on IRC so we can get down to the nitty-gritty and make sure our encounter doesn't end with an IGNORE or some other manner of nastiness. Good luck! You'll need it! :D

There's forty people on the list and somehow that's a "select group?" This is a much larger RP than I had been led to believe it was...

No, I'm just saying it's a lot smaller than it otherwise would be if it were open.

*has his own plan brewing for Doomingsland, altough it's kind of separate from this war*

*giggles like a madman*

Should be a fun ride.

Also, Matt, I'm curious - with regards to Questerian and Questarian, how would one tell which was being said out loud? Pronunciation difference?



Anyway, here's hoping for a good one.

Quest-are-e-an

Quest-uhr-e-an

If that makesany sense :P


2: Matt, with regards to those Hiei's and that Nagato (4 and 1, respectively) I bought from you a while back..Would any of these be considered ready for service in this rp? Material wise, at least, that is?

One or two of the Hieis would be ready and probably be delivered, but the others would probably be seized by the Navy and the funds partially repaid to you, much like the British did with the Brazilians and Turks - in fact, that might be a cause for the loss of relations enough for a war, if you're interested in fleshing that out a little.

Questers you have a TG

One or two of the Hieis would be ready and probably be delivered, but the others would probably be seized by the Navy and the funds partially repaid to you, much like the British did with the Brazilians and Turks - in fact, that might be a cause for the loss of relations enough for a war, if you're interested in fleshing that out a little.
Makes sense. Also there's the precedent of the HMS Canada (aka Almirante Lattore) which served in the Grand Fleet, including being at Jutland, during WW1, and was then returned to Chile with a "thanks for the loan"

Updated with peripherals war and Crave's thing

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530815

Just highlighting my government view on this conflict, IC'ly I don't know why its happening and I will be remaining neutral as I have my own axe to grind on TLA.

Funnily enough, Matt, I've been pronouncing it right but spelling it wrong all this time.


And oh yeah, I guess it's time for the standard 'state of the Harakian army' bit. We're all clever folks here, so I won't bother going into too much detail.




I have a very small army - around 400,000-800,000 at any given time with no mobilization, and formed into only about 35 divisions plus extradivisional elements. However, I do have a very large defence budget, and I've been on here for years and years. That means ICly, I have a long tradition, many years of making up new land doctrine, etc. And since I have a lot of time and money to put into every professional soldier (and even most of the semi-pros), I figure they're some very good troops, and I'll be RPing them as such. If I end up mobilizing semi-pros and reserves, I'll RP them as being worse.

And no, I don't know what equipment they're using. I just call them tanks, assault rifles, fighters, etc and assume they're state of the art, no matter what state of the art is on NS at the time.

Can you have the links read as the thread's actual title?
Perhaps this could be in addition to the summary name.

Can you have the links read as the thread's actual title?
Perhaps this could be in addition to the summary name.

What? :/

I think he's referring to Illior's links in the first page.


e.g. 'Crushing the Despised - Gholgoth Mobilizes; Gholgothan mobilization' instead of just 'Gholgothan mobilization'. I think.

Consider my offer of support always on the table for the Gholgothian/NATO/Ardan bloc, but do keep aware of my tied hands with the Kraven Corporation and the Second Corporate Entente...

^ I believe its called the Second Campaign of Absolute Unification. (it sounds better too :P)

Illior, you forgot to add me on NATO's side.

@SEA: Gotcha
@ CP: Deals more with your issues in the Vizionarian war, so not gonna be added
@Graz: Fixed

Yeah it was a bit vague, I was really just trying to advertise :p

Tagged for my reference.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12800889#post12800889

Updated Azaha's thread, and people please try to condense threads as much as possible, I don't think people want to be sifting through 50 threads to find some little detail.

I'll be fighting Gholgoth, but mainly in a seperate RP with SS called 'When Dawn Breaks', in which Skinny87 invades Aldea...and it all goes horribly wrong...

I'm still reading all the threads that connect to this super-war thingy. I will most likely be involved, but it will depend on how exactly the Doom/AMF thing gets sorted out as well as how the Doom/GE/everybody else thing goes. The Doom situation is my highest priority seeing as he borders me.

My mobilization thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530788

Wow. Some of the best writers II has, and they're all fighting each other! That's publishin' material! :p

Seriously though, all eyes on you guys. We watch in wonder...

Questers, telegram.

Edit:

My nation's somewhat unique approach to preparing for war/information warfare against Questers. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12801908#post12801908)

I'm still waiting for that official NATO preparatory thread I've heard is in the making..

There are already enough ones for each individual nation without me adding a one.

I'm still waiting for that official NATO preparatory thread I've heard is in the making..

There are already enough ones for each individual nation without me adding a one.

Oh, it isn't a mobilization thread. I covered that in the Gholgoth one. This is something completely different.

I'm still waiting for that official NATO preparatory thread I've heard is in the making..

I plan on using Scandavian States' mobilization thread - but my men are going to him, anyways. I don't know if he minds if the rest of NATO mobilizes in his thread.

I plan on using Scandavian States' mobilization thread - but my men are going to him, anyways. I don't know if he minds if the rest of NATO mobilizes in his thread.
If it's all right by him, then it's fine by me.:) Either way it means there are fewer threads to keep track of (which can't be a bad thing)

Honestly I would prefer it if only posts that have something to do directly with my nation go into my mobilization thread. If you want to make a general NATO thread for nations in the alliance that haven't yet mobilized, be my guest.

Here, I'll start one. It might take like an hour for me to complete the post [I'm slow], so be patient. -_-

I'm going to be gone this weekend (just as things are heating up =/) but I'll post something after I get back.

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530873) is mine, although I didn't notice that Scand had put one up before me - here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530872). I can move my post if necessary. -_-

I think he's referring to Illior's links in the first page.


e.g. 'Crushing the Despised - Gholgoth Mobilizes; Gholgothan mobilization' instead of just 'Gholgothan mobilization'. I think.

Yes.

Holy sheeit, there's gonna be a lotta links when this is done.

Illior, my thread was meant for all of NATO.

Added that note mac, then SS's thread now acts as a double, so I'll get rid of his link later.

^ I believe its called the Second Campaign of Absolute Unification. (it sounds better too :P)
No, the Campaign of Absolute Unification wasn't announced when I was engaging Kraven in the First War of Corporatist Aggression, AKA the Southeast Asia/Joint Conglomerates Conflict. But I get your point.
@SEA: Gotcha
@ CP: Deals more with your issues in the Vizionarian war, so not gonna be added
@Graz: Fixed
So add me as pro-NATO, or neutral or something, please? If I find the time...but it doesn't really matter much, and I hope things don't devolve to a rotten state

SEA: I would, but I'm keeping it solely to possible combatants, otherwise I'd have too much space taken up by all of the supporters.

In all honesty, it might still be a good idea to include involved neutrals in a separate list on the front page.

There are definite RP possibilities since I know OOCly that the NATO powers would love to have Sarzonia on their side and Sarzonia still has ties with several Sovereign League nations. There could be some interesting political RPing going on with that.

It may not bring Sarzonia into the war directly as a combatant, but with several of Sarzonia's allies and some of its sworn enemies on both sides of this war, it would have a HUGE effect on Sarzonia once the war's over.

Right, I'm flying out to Malaysia 10am tommorow to spend 10 weeks with my dad, don't worry, I'll have internet there (i'm usually at my most active on II during my summer trips to Malaysia anyway, since i'm actually living over there than actually being a tourist), so I won't be online for about 36 hours - im staying up all night tho so I can sleep on the plane (bastard 12+2+3 hour flights) so i'll try finish up my neccessary postings tonight.

If not, I hope my plane doesn't get hijacked, else it'll be a bit of a bugger for you guys :P

My mob thread will probably come sometime tuesday/wednesday, the days I'm not working. Maybe tomorrow/monday if you're lucky.

I believe the Whyatican Empire is going to remain non-aligned, if slightly NATO leaning in the populace. The will of the people wouldn't be for a war against Questers, or a war against NATO, so we'll remain neutral in all likelyhood.

I might make a topic for that, and a conference for all the other non-aligneds in Haven sometime this week.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12810962

My thread is up.

I'm pretty sure me and AMF's war should count as a theatre for this...and I'm not really QC aligned as it is...I'm pretty much my own side in all of this...

I'm pretty sure me and AMF's war should count as a theatre for this...and I'm not really QC aligned as it is...I'm pretty much my own side in all of this...

Speaking of which, Doom, do you know when that war is going to be over? Or is it going to be an ongoing theater for the foreseeable future, cause I'm really enthusiastic about the next one, plus I sorta want to be aware of whats happening in the seas around my south/your north before all of this gets really hairy.

It'll be done soon enough. Trust me, me and GE have some cool shit planned out for our war :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531026

Pro-NATO.

Anyone on the NATO/Gholgoth side want to have an unsuccessful terrorist assassination on your leader? They'd be giving a pro-NATO/Gholgoth speech, then my terrorist explodes, and your leader gets wounded, with a couple of civilian and government casualties.

Anyone on the NATO/Gholgoth side want to have an unsuccessful terrorist assassination on your leader? They'd be giving a pro-NATO/Gholgoth speech, then my terrorist explodes, and your leader gets wounded, with a couple of civilian and government casualties.


Are you in the QC?

Are you in the QC?

I'm a supporter. Peripheral thread. Cravan suggested I look for volunteers here.

It's not like I'm invading your nations, just a small terrorist attack.

Yeah, about the secondary thread. There is a severe lack of AMF supporters for the QC supporters to fight. What should they do?

Yeah, about the secondary thread. There is a severe lack of AMF supporters for the QC supporters to fight. What should they do?



That's because people are being shuffled around. I'm not sure if the second war will even happen or be necessary.

That's because people are being shuffled around. I'm not sure if the second war will even happen or be necessary.

Aww man. All that work for nothing...

Oooo.... I'd love to be shuffled into the primary war thread *hint hint wink wink*

OK internet access has sucked but in 2 days I'll have fast+regular internets at the house like normal, so just hold up.

People may be shuffled about but they won't be added to the main thread too hastily, however if a couple of NATO members then want to RP a thread against myself and Stevid in a 2 vs 2 then please feel free to TG me, i'm not promising just because i get TGed that means an automatic inclusion to the RP though.

It would be linked to this war(of course) and would need a little back story and reasons for war but wouldn't impede on the main thread. It should alleviate the fact that the QC nations are stupidly overwhelmed by NATO.

We should probably play this thing like a tennis tournament or something. The 1-on-1 winner goes to the next level and continues duking it out.:p

Lol that would surely end up with the largest Retcon...however just one nation would own half the world, i like it!

Anyone on the NATO/Gholgoth side want to have an unsuccessful terrorist assassination on your leader? They'd be giving a pro-NATO/Gholgoth speech, then my terrorist explodes, and your leader gets wounded, with a couple of civilian and government casualties.

I'm game.

Awright tomorow I get my regular internet access and when prae gets back from holiday we can kick this thing off, assuming he's still up for it, and if hes not i'll do it anyawy.

Awright tomorow I get my regular internet access and when prae gets back from holiday we can kick this thing off, assuming he's still up for it, and if hes not i'll do it anyawy.

Even if it doesn't go ahead, I'm still continuing my RP.

Damn this left knee of mine, and doubly damn this mail man job of mine for causing me to sprain it in the first place..:mad:

I'm sorry guys, but I still can't manage a ic post. It takes all the stamina I have just to show up for work in the morning.. :(

Anyone on the NATO/Gholgoth side want to have an unsuccessful terrorist assassination on your leader? They'd be giving a pro-NATO/Gholgoth speech, then my terrorist explodes, and your leader gets wounded, with a couple of civilian and government casualties.

Yeah... this actually provides the perfect opportunity for turnover in my government as well... I was planning on having elections for a new Premier... but if the President gets wounded, he'll retire (A-D has a funky government system) so the new guy would take over... TG me with details, this will be fun.

Awright tomorow I get my regular internet access and when prae gets back from holiday we can kick this thing off, assuming he's still up for it, and if hes not i'll do it anyawy.

I don't know when Prae gets back, but can we wait until after July 7th? I'm on holiday from the first until the seventh.

Wait, so is the conflict open to third-party nations?

Wait, so is the conflict open to third-party nations?

No. There is a secondary war thread for supporters of either side to duke it out without being in the main war. Search "NATO/QC Secondary War Thread", you should find it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530782 <<< secondary war thread.

Also it's on the first post.

OOC: I know this is a bit late in the game so to speak, but I am very intereste d in entering into the RP on the NATO side. We do have territory in Haven where Questers and everyone else is. It will only be me that will be participating in the RP, no one else that I am allied with in any way will be brought it. Just little old me.

OOC: This is Reichskamphen, I didn't mean to use this nation to post that!

Tag

Do you really think the NATO side needs more people? Population wise they already outnumber us at least 10-1. Besides, at this late stage I would still say that you have a low-impossible chance of getting in.

Reik, no offense but the thread was closed just to keep the population of NS with no stake in this war out. I say no.

Do you really think the NATO side needs more people? Population wise they already outnumber us at least 10-1. Besides, at this late stage I would still say that you have a low-impossible chance of getting in.

I think the NATO side had enough people when the sign-ups started. I was under the impression when this all began that it would be a much more limited affair, and I'm rapidly developing the suspicion that this will end badly after a relatively short period of time. It would be one thing if the defenders were outnumbered thusly, since a well executed defense can often mitigate such an absurd numerical advantage.

ICly, this (along with the decidedly chilly reception the Pax received in Gholgoth) is one of the reasons why I've shifted my interest away from Gholgoth and into Haven. I was really more hoping for an against-all-odds slugfest with more QC supporters. C'est la vie.

I'm in favor of letting the QC supporters in the secondary thread into this main thread, mainly because the vast odds and that they have no one to fight.

So much for my Reich induced need for defensive buildup in Haven then :P

I appologize for any confusion I might have caused, but I have permission from AMF to be involved.

If I get added to the main war, as some people suggest may happen, I woud like to know what would happen in my fleets sailed into Haven. Considering half of ya'll are at war, I doubt the defensive pact would come to effect, however I want to know before I did anything of the sort.

Added Melk's thread

OK, I'd like to clear some stuff up.

1. I would really prefer it if there were no more people involved on the NATO side of things. I don't want to decide who goes on the NATO side but there really isn't any point in any more people.

2. For the time being the QC side will remain closed, as I have my reasons.

OK, I'd like to clear some stuff up.

1. I would really prefer it if there were no more people involved on the NATO side of things. I don't want to decide who goes on the NATO side but there really isn't any point in any more people.

2. For the time being the QC side will remain closed, as I have my reasons.

I know it's not really my place to intrude, but you don't have any real right to say who you'll battle. There are things that we are entitled to ignore (eg difference in tech levels), but not combatants. You choose to fight, we'll fight back any way and anyone we can.

Of course, if we all agree, we can using etiquette, limit the number of combatants.

Personally, I do agree this thing is getting out of hand. Indeed, most of us smaller nations are going to get quite sidetracked and receive merely footnotes when the history books are written.

What began as Questers versus AMF (in simple terms) has become a morass of smaller conflicts and personal grudges. Indeed, a dozen threads have been created and, from memory, at least one parallel conflict has sprung, or will occur.

We need to lay down some ground rules otherwise this will turn into a schoolyard brawl, a descent into chaos.

Too many people coming out of the woodwork really.

I know, I know. I was just saying, I mean, I don't mind who or how many you bring in - it breached the limit of overkill a fair while ago, I was just wondering if there was any need for anyone else. I think a basic ground rule should be less arguing = better. Both sides should be willing to back down and make concessions rather than argue it out OOC.

My suggestion would be to allow NATO members to be involved in wars between each other, although to keep in context of the main war allow those nations to get involved in the main war, and then another nation attack them for that involvement, to take the strain off their allies.

Well, from my perspective, my impact in this conflict is almost strictly aiding Allanean interests. I am not going to be feuling side conflicts or fragmenting action too much.

Further, I don't believe I have developed a reputation for causing and or participating in OOC arguments. If I make a mistake, I tend to fess up to it.

Also, my contribution in terms of assets to this particular conflict is minimal compared to other players, so my entrance will not be that big of an impact, I would think, at least not to the point where I would any further disadvantage the QC side.

Groundrules need to be had for this indeed to limit it growing beyond all reason, but at the same time, I suggest that we all take a bit more of a laidback attitude in regards to this. It isn't really a matter of life and death, and my involvement in the NATO side, with AMF's perission, is not going to cause a cataclysm, especially as I have a proven track record of being at the very least, a very reasonable person.

I'm for WW6, at least then we can make a real impact on NS II history...a WW is long overdue!

Reik, the problem is that unless you have substantial naval support to add to the Haven war, the only way you're going to be RPing with regularity is if you can find or create a front. Each front will have its own thread, so there's not really going to be a "main thread" as much as several threads with each detailing a major front.

Reik, the problem is that unless you have substantial naval support to add to the Haven war, the only way you're going to be RPing with regularity is if you can find or create a front. Each front will have its own thread, so there's not really going to be a "main thread" as much as several threads with each detailing a major front.

Well, exactly. The main fronts I will be opening are the AMF front, the haven front, which'll be whatever i'm attacking outside of our direct area, and the Questers-SS/Allanea border, where we'll have our main landfighting. Reik could land troops there I suppose, but it'd be part of a coalition, nothing major as he said. A million troops here or there isn't too much.

Yes, he could contribute troops to the land front, but as I said he wouldn't get to RP them continuously because I'll have overall command of that front on the NATO side and I'm going to cycle every nation's units in and out. If I have my way this war is going to be realistic.

I'd just as soon he pick one of your buddies and have a go at them, that way we can keep the front as close to NATO-only as possible.

Btw, Matt, I'm not going to be pulling into Detroit until noon on the 12th. It might be better if you just postpone the war until then. I don't want the thread to stall on my account.

Alright, that makes sense.

About the Detroit thing: Do you mean you won't be available for the whole of the 12th, or what? If so, that's okay. You know my postrate, and even though my days are gonna be spent posting unless I go out and do something (even that takes up only a couple hours) there's three theates I'll respond too. I think both sides are getting impatient, so starting this thing as soon as Crave gets back on the 6th makes most sense to me, unless you wanna wait another 6 days, which I'm cool with too.

Well... Northford, a QC member, has expressed intent to attack me as part of this war.

I wasn't planning to join, but since I'll be fighting against a QC state, and I'm an ally of Allanea, can you put me in as a Gholgoth / NATO state even though I'm not formally affiliated with either faction?

Well, lets explore a couple possibilities.

My intention has always been to fight with Allanea, and assist his armies as we have tended to assist one another and I already have assets in country.

In addition, I do have substantial naval assets that I can committ, and would be willing to do so if it isn't a problem.

Also, I had an intention of basing troops in leased bases in the Rosdivani colony in the South to atleast keep a presence down there and launch limited operations against QC assets in the area.

Also, as I hold land in Haven, the GP Islands in the middle of the strait have become RK property at this time, and a few bases on the Edolian Coast, I stand in a good position to assist the overall effort geographically. The troops that I am sending to Allanea aren't extensive, but I am sending a good deal of equipment and air assets.

In addition, If it is necessary to give some of the people in the south someone to fight, I am able to move in more assets to my bases in the South and conduct larger operations, rather than the smaller ones currently planned.

About the Detroit thing

No, I'll be getting in at noon and it shouldn't take me more than an hour to get home. Don't know what kind of shape I'll be in, but I'll still get in a post on every front I'm involved with. Kick it off on the 12th if you can wait that long.

My intention has always been to fight with Allanea, and assist his armies as we have tended to assist one another and I already have assets in country.

I'm going to assume you haven't taken a look at the Allanean-Questarian border lately and/or aren't aware of just how many nations are sending significant forces to that front. At any rate, believe me when I say there isn't going to be room for everybody's forces, which is why I'll be rotating corps and armies onto and off the front. That means everybody's armies, since that front is going to be a NATO operation and I run NATO, so I'll have operational command of the front.

In addition, I do have substantial naval assets that I can commit, and would be willing to do so if it isn't a problem.

That's not going to be a problem. But, again, you're going to have to deploy them where you're told. This war has to be organized if it's going to work, so people doing whatever they want isn't going to fly.

Also, I had an intention of basing troops in leased bases in the Rosdivani colony in the South to at least keep a presence down there and launch limited operations against QC assets in the area.

That's a strategic consideration that'll need to be discussed when I get back to Detroit. I assume you have IRC.

In addition, If it is necessary to give some of the people in the south someone to fight, I am able to move in more assets to my bases in the South and conduct larger operations, rather than the smaller ones currently planned.

That will be of more use to us. The more QC nations that are tied down defending their home, the easier it is for us to have a free hand to fight the big dogs.

That will be of more use to us. The more QC nations that are tied down defending their home, the easier it is for us to have a free hand to fight the big dogs.

Does that mean QC supporters can attack your nations to take that threat away?

Does that mean QC supporters can attack your nations to take that threat away?

Strategically it's likely to be me handling most of the Questerian Commonwealth members as I'm next to pretty much every last one in Haven. Attacking me directly probably wouldn't be the smartest thing in an RP sense due to it meaning yet another front-thread. Perhaps aiming at deploying troops at the more specific flash points [Initial fronts where the fiercest fighting is likely to be] simply to cut down on the headaches.

I'm going to assume you haven't taken a look at the Allanean-Questarian border lately and/or aren't aware of just how many nations are sending significant forces to that front. At any rate, believe me when I say there isn't going to be room for everybody's forces, which is why I'll be rotating corps and armies onto and off the front. That means everybody's armies, since that front is going to be a NATO operation and I run NATO, so I'll have operational command of the front.


Just a quick note: if you intend on doing anything like this with my armed forces (as they're not a part of NATO) we should probably talk about it ICly. I'm not exactly sure that we'll be thrilled with that idea.

Update on 'When Dawn Breaks':

I have the third post planned SS, and partially written up. However, work and my girlfriend have taken priority. Should be up by next week at the very latest.

OOC: Scandinavian States, do you have AIM? CSA4evr1861 if you do. It would be more efficient to talk about this in real time.

[Melkor: Not any more unhappy about it than Imperial planners are. One massive blitzkrieg would be more their style, but geography is making a grind almost a certainty.

Reik: I'm on vacation right now and my computer access is spotty. We probably won't get to talk until the day the war starts.]

ICly, this (along with the decidedly chilly reception the Pax received in Gholgoth) is one of the reasons why I've shifted my interest away from Gholgoth and into Haven. I was really more hoping for an against-all-odds slugfest with more QC supporters. C'est la vie.

Pax? Never heard one word about whatever that is... Of course, I may have been moving then.

I've stayed out of the OOC thread for reasons of being rather busy and assuming this war would, you know... START QUICKLY. I am going to be one of the Gholgoth defenders and probably one of the NATO attackers. I don't care who I attack in this mess, even if I somehow get outnumbered in my little theater of the whole enchilada.

Pax? Never heard one word about whatever that is... Of course, I may have been moving then.


The Pax Imperica is the "offensive" arm of my military, used for assault and conquest campaigns. The Guardis Imperica (both terms will always be italicized) is kind of like the National Guard, only bigger and more active. Guardis units can be deployed overseas, and owing to the nature of defending Gholgoth, they actually will. For this war, the Pax will see action in Haven and the Guardis in Gholgoth or in Arda if someone's crazy enough.

Not many of them are left there presently, but I deployed a Pax host to Gholgoth in this thread, (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530212) and I moved most of the force to Haven here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531230)

Scand: I'll have to talk to you about it on IRC, since I don't really want to get too much into what I'm planning to do; but suffice to say that the Allanean corridor will be something of a static front for some time, by my estimation.

Hmm I just realised something... I have a port in Haven on Roanoke in Allanean territory. Though the Republic of Chechnya is neutral in this war, Port Resilience will provide medical aid to any who come and are in need. However you'll have to pay for refueling and combat repairs are out of the question as Chechnya has no intent on being sucked into war.


Does this mean I have a (tiny) place in this war or should I stay out? Obviously if there is a battle raging outside my 1st and only port in Haven (a precourser to future colonization) it would be in my interest.

Bump, its the 12th time to start zee war.

Bump, its the 12th time to start zee war.

It was time to start the war a week ago. Honestly, the waiting is starting to irk me.

Agreed... Questers, we're all waiting on your moves...

It was time to start the war a week ago. Honestly, the waiting is starting to irk me.

...and just about everyone else. I love how we're waiting for one guy to come back from vacation. If we made a policy of postponing RP's because someone's going on vacation, we'd never get anything done. It's summer for fuck's sake! Someone's going to miss out on something no matter when we do it!

Say, that reminds me... I just started summer classes. Can we postpone this until September 10th? (kidding!)

OK, if I don't talk to SS tonight, I'll begin without him.

OK, if I don't talk to SS tonight, I'll begin without him.

Righto, sounds good.

And if not, we can always lynch you... : P

Hey, I said begin on the 12th. Not my fault nobody listens. At any rate, let's get this show on the road.

F*ck Yeah!

Alright, I'm writing my posts up now.

HO SHIT BATTEN DOWN DA HATCHES MATES

I was going to head in to bed... But now I'll wait.

Well, it'll take me one or two hours.

I didn't waste any time as you can see, and posted my first attack here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12874537&postcount=2) minutes after the thread came up (I'm an asshole like that). At one point in the post I write about a kinetic missile detachment and I'll describe its attack here:

Ozalan commands the Third Kinetic Detachment operating over Arda in strategic support of (gasp) the Third Fleet. Since I OOCly have no way of knowing where precisely the targets are but can ICly look at satellite photos, I'll simply qualify my attack by saying that there's 18 kinetic missiles ('god rods' if you will) aimed at the Commonwealth port in Ceylon. Nine missiles will target the moorings themselves and the other nine will strike at any storage or assembly facilities within 25km. If there are none, they will aim for random sections of port infrastructure somewhere between the moorings and the edge of the docks.

The attack is relatively modest and does not use an overly large missile: the intent at least right now is to damage transportation production facilities and the supply stations that may be housed near them. I can't be arsed to do the calculations and all that jazz, so whoever writes the damages can just picture a decent (but well shy of WMD quality) explosion at key points within the aforementioned facilities.

Thats cool.

All the theater thread links are up and running.

Hey, coupla things. Might want to add this thread me, crave and Azazia have got going to the list of mobilisation threads... it's a side story, so to speak.

Also, as an aside, that side thread is going to end 'as' the war starts. So if the posts over-run either way, they'll be fluid timed. Not that it matters, in a sense, me and Crave have already worked out a fair bit of it already...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12874664 <<<--- Thread

Just a note on the kinetics. Each satellite has one hundred kinetic strike weapons, which means that each galaxy has a total of 1,200 strategic kinetics and 3,600 tactical kinetics. There are 56 such galaxies dedicated to Haven and another fifty-six that can have their orbits changed so that they intersect Haven. Obviously the one galaxy an hour time table is a rough estimate and each galaxy has its own unique orbit to prevent orbit prediction.

Each tactical rod has a yield equivalent of 33 tons of TNT and each tactical has a yield equivalent of 171 tons of TNT (think of a ton of TNT as equal to one Tomahawk cruise missile warhead.) I don't have the crater estimates anymore, but they're much larger than the CEP of each rod, so expect anything short of a catastrophic miss to do significant damage to the target. Short of a miss, each target will get one rod.

Strategics will be targeted at supply depots, buried command bunkers, static radars, static air defense sites, missile silos, fleet harbors, etc. Tacticals will be targeted against runways, field command posts, laagers, roads, and basically anything else in northern Questers that has any tactical value (which includes any unit in the field that isn't moving or moving slowly.)

Note on the missile attacks in the Strobovian Strait. There are 414 missiles in each wave, of which 396 are attack missiles. I don't expect them to all get through, even with the ECM missiles helping, but two or three dozen in each wave getting through wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility considering how concentrated each wave is on a single ship.

EDIT: Btw, link to the 503B: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9919087&postcount=1241

After reading some of the Haven Theater's content, I think this RP might be a little...tech-orientated for my tastes. Would it be all right if Questers could take command of my stuff? I really doubt I can put in the time/effort/research required for this RP to do it any justice.

Cheers.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532898
That's a thread for the thread list. Me invading Cravan's thingy.

After reading some of the Haven Theater's content, I think this RP might be a little...tech-orientated for my tastes. Would it be all right if Questers could take command of my stuff? I really doubt I can put in the time/effort/research required for this RP to do it any justice.

Cheers.


Well, it's a war RP, not a character RP. Plus, it doesn't help that a lot of the people here frequent the draftroom, which is a very technically-oriented forum. However, tech isn't the end-all and be-all. So long as you have solid tactical and strategic knowledge, you can simply use some of Matt's stuff and nobody would care.

Well, the Haven Theatre right now is basically the war at sea and in the air, which is bound to be too techy; which is why I said you could rp your troops on the home front or the AMF front which will be significantly less about tech (in the boots of the soldiers, at least).

Also guys, postz coming soon. stats for the SS-35 soon too, crave D:<

Ah, all right yeah sure then.

It wasn't a criticism by any means, if anyone took it that way, I just lack the knowledge for an RP with such casual but indepth reference to tech. But yeah, if it's okay with Matt, I'll do as you said SS. Ta.

The prior post wasn't about me going "dis rp sux", just to clarify again, it was simply that I don't think I would've been able to put in what this epic thing deserves. But yeah, I'll have other Commonwealth members hold my hand a bit when it comes to the tech.

if it's okay with Matt

wel its nt ok so pis of :upyours:

A note on my take on Gholgothan geography:

I'm in the east, with my coastline all on a massive bay, the mouth of which is filled by the islands that make up AMF and Pantera (AMF in the south, Pants in the north). Since I believe we made the far northern border of Gholgoth an ice sheet, I kind of assumed Tyrandis would be to the south-east and around the south-eastern cape of Gholgoth, and referred to such in my post. I'm not sure what direction Matt's fleet is coming from or where Tyr's fleet is deployed, so I just kind of assumed Tyr's forces would be farther south and Matt's fleet would be coming from there. On the other hand, I know there's a Gholgothan fleet to the east of AMF and Pants' land, so I worked off that.

Tyr told me he was the furthest away from Gholgoth, so my fleet is advancing in the direction towards Tyr that makes it as fara way as the rest of Gholgoth, if that makes sense.

Yeah, it does.

And the only Gholgothan geography I'm 100% sure of is what I detailed in the post above: I'm in a big bay on the eastern side of the mainland, with the islands of AMF and Pants in the mouth of the bay (AMF in the south, Pants in te north). I think Crimm's on the mainland close to Pants. Other than that, anything is fair game.

You know, these descriptions of Gholgothan geography are making AMF/Pantera's Maritime claims even more laughable than they already were (which is saying a lot). A lot of these descriptions point to blatantly overlapping claims.

Update the front page with new threads, thanks.

OOC:

The aircraft currently bombing San Nereiana are being fired upon by:

26,000 Praetorian IV missile launchers (assume each launches at least 4 missiles).
2,000 stealthy ASFs, each launching about 4 long-range air-to-air-missiles
And practically anything in the Allanean army that can shoot at air targets.

Azaha is being targeted by:

3,000 cruise missiles targeting the artillery arrays, and 600 targetting the ICCM launchers
3,600 cruise missiles targeting his military bases near his capital
88,000 cannon of various calibers targeting the artillery arrays
1,000 MRLS launchers spamming up his infantry
67,500 tons of bombs and 15 NPGs targetting the bases near his capital
500 tank, and 100 mechanized infantry divisions

Questers is being targeted by:

200 Khan missiles aimed at his shipping in the Strobovian straights
100 Rufous missiles aimed at air defenses and airfields on Ceylon

You know, these descriptions of Gholgothan geography are making AMF/Pantera's Maritime claims even more laughable than they already were (which is saying a lot). A lot of these descriptions point to blatantly overlapping claims.

We REALLY need to get a regional map. Settle all this stuff once and for all.

I've been given to understand that AMF doesn't want a regional map. I didn't either, at first, and then someone made one for me.

You know, these descriptions of Gholgothan geography are making AMF/Pantera's Maritime claims even more laughable than they already were (which is saying a lot). A lot of these descriptions point to blatantly overlapping claims.

Laughable, eh? Niiiice.....

Considering AMF and Pantera are all but a single entity via the Blood Pact, "overlapping claims" aren't an issue if we decided it to be so. But in all honesty, I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.

There is a GIANT ass gulf larger than Asia that contains both AMF and Pantera, and both our islands are seperated by about 100 miles of water. There is an invisible line at 50 miles into this channe; that extends outwards towards the horizon, and everything to the south of that line is fair game for me, and everything to the north is fair game for Pantera.

To illustrate my point, here is an example that took me all of 2 minutes to do. Pantera and I have actual maps, but this is just for the sake of showing you what we're talking about.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2660/crappymapcm4.jpg

The main Gholgothan landmass is to the west. The red island is Pantera and black is mine. The yellow lines are rough estimations as to where both of our respective governments start enforcing their claims, though either nation may venture into each others waters at any time. The regional maritime claims extend several thousand miles more than my own, and even though this map isn't to scale, I couldn't put it in without seriously stretching the drawing.

Laughable, eh? Niiiice.....


AMF, I only say that because your claims are anywhere from ten to one hundred times the practical limits. I don't care who you are, no one can patrol a perimeter extending "thousands" of NM from your coast reliably with Modern Tech. I don't want to damage our understanding, but I find your claims precisely as ridiculous OOC as I do IC.

Also, I have a problem with it because it's blatant terrainwank to assume that there are no other national entities/regions/claims/holdings within "thousands" of NM of your region. You're basically assuming that there's an ocean the size of the Pacific on either side of Gholgoth, with no nations or islands anywhere in it. Given the properties of NS Earth, I find this claim dubious at best.

Also, I'd always assumed that Arda and Gholgoth were a reasonable (but not excessive) distance from each other. Having "Several Thousand" NM of open sea tends to prevent this. Given the distances involved, I would hope it would take your Navy at least four posts to get anywhere.

You still don't understand.

There is a difference between actively and passively patrolling my claims. While I do have ships moving about closer to my lands ready to pounce on an intruder, my outermost claims are moitored by satellites and high level flights that are constantly running. I claim so much sea for a reason Melkor, and that reason is to provide the maximum buffer zone between "open" (or in this case, regional) waters and my shore. I'm simply not going to go the norm and claim 30 nautical miles when most SD guns can shoot several times further than that easily. I'm not going to wait to engage a fleet that gets too close but hasn't fired a shot because "well, they haven't intruded yet".....nevermind they're 30 miles off shore....No, fuck that. ICly my nation is at war waaaay too often to have such feable and modest defenses, and I make use of my waters by turning them into minefields as well as giving my own fleets plenty of room to work.

You can think it terrain wank or unreasonable all you want, but the fact of the matter is that there is no existing rule ICly or OOCly that prevents me from doing so. I am within my rights both ways to take as much space as I want. There is no rule that says NS Earth is a certain size or has to have X amount of nations in or near your region or nation, so I simply shrug off any of your accusations that I'm being "unreasonable". There are things on this site that are more unreasonable than me saying "this much sea is mine", and if you want to split hairs then I can point to the very tech you use and the different races (IE: Orcs) that inhabit your lands.

You must not know that Gholgoth is an isolated region, and though Haven and Arda are the other regions closer to it, there is still a considerable amount of room between us all. The original intent of Gholgoth was to have it nearly completely cut off from the rest of the world, accessable only through months of sailing.

You could always just claim your 200-mile EEZ as territorial waters. Like normal nations. Given that it's actually conceivably possible to patrol that.

Far as I'm concerned, claiming several thousand nautical miles of ocean as territorial waters is ridiculous, unenforceable, and would simply make you a laughing stock as scores of nations violate your claims on a daily basis with impunity.

As for SD's... snap them in two with kinetic kill rods from orbital satellites, or swarm them with torpedo corvettes. They're not hard to kill.

You could always just claim your 200-mile EEZ as territorial waters. Like normal nations. Given that it's actually conceivably possible to patrol that.

Far as I'm concerned, claiming several thousand nautical miles of ocean as territorial waters is ridiculous, unenforceable, and would simply make you a laughing stock as scores of nations violate your claims on a daily basis with impunity.

Then they are welcome to violate my waters at will, but they shouldn't be surprised when I start attacking them directly. Anyone who RP's in I.I. knows how militant AMF is, and up until this point most nations tend to avoid incursions like the plague.

As for SD's... snap them in two with kinetic kill rods from orbital satellites, or swarm them with torpedo corvettes. They're not hard to kill.

Let's not bring up THAT argument, because we all know that point is full of holes. Different topic for a different thread.

AMF, believe it or not, you don't need to explain your IC reasons vis a vis maritime claims versus gun range: I know why you're doing it, I'm just saying it's wank. The fact that you have a region in a certain ocean does not give you creative control over what is outside said region.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a moment. If it's okay for you to dictate the geography surrounding your region, then that means it's okay for other players to do it too. If other players (and, indeed, yourself) are free to engage in such liberties, then what's to prevent me from saying "Okay, Arda is 500 miles East of Haven" for no other purpose than making my operations there easier ICly? Clearly the extensive maritime claims you've wrought are a device to justify early action against advancing navies, so the principle is the same. You're using an OOC decision to leverage an IC advantage. While I can understand (and agree with) the reasons for not specifying an exact mile distance between regions, this should not grant one the license to say "Okay, I'm umpteen thousand miles away from the nearest landmass, so I want any Navy that invades me to take two OOC weeks to get there."

Also, comparing nation claims to nation concept (e.g. Orcs, Future Tech) is a textbook definition of a Straw Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man). I'm not saying you're being "unreasonable," I'm saying you're terrainwanking.

EDIT: as an afterthought: if it takes "months of sailing" to reach Gholgoth, then does it also take you "months" to sail away from it? Isolation is all well and good, but you can't have it both ways. Given this new development, I will be expecting you to take 6 or 8 posts detailing a naval journey to Haven later in the war, if you send one.

That's the thing. You could go ahead and attack them, sure. But how many fronts can AMF fight on at once? Three? Four? Ten? Fifty? Unlikely. You're not invincible, no matter how much you think you are, and keeping the neighbors in line via fear doesn't work forever, especially when you go out of your way to bite off more than you can chew.

Let's not bring up THAT argument, because we all know that point is full of holes. Different topic for a different thread.
I will concede this point, on the basis that of course any user of SD's will never accept any creative destruction of their steel penii. I haven't even gotten into the problems that not only does an SD have a draft too deep to approach a coast to use its guns to begin with, but it'd break up in rough seas. But again. Far be it from me to criticize a trillion-dollar, mile-long white elephant.

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That's the thing. You could go ahead and attack them, sure. But how many fronts can AMF fight on at once? Three? Four? Ten? Fifty? Unlikely. You're not invincible, no matter how much you think you are, and keeping the neighbors in line via fear doesn't work forever, especially when you go out of your way to bite off more than you can chew.

I've never claimed to be invincible, you're skewing IC and OOC personalities. My psychotic, overly militant IC side does things for a reason, and it doesn't have to make sense OOCly. Dreadfire's invaded people for simply addressing him in a manner that displeases him. Does that translate into anything other than ruthless IC aggression? Same thing with claiming insane amounts of territory. It doesn't have to make sense OOCly, but in the IC mind of a madman, it does.

And if I want to ICly bite off more than I can chew, then I'm welcome to do so. It would make for an interesting RP.

as an afterthought: if it takes "months of sailing" to reach Gholgoth, then does it also take you "months" to sail away from it? Isolation is all well and good, but you can't have it both ways. Given this new development, I will be expecting you to take 6 or 8 posts detailing a naval journey to Haven later in the war, if you send one.

The original intent of Gholgoth was to have it nearly completely cut off from the rest of the world, accessable only through months of sailing.

Just thought I'd point out one small detail you skimmed over there, Melk.

I can read, Crimm. So what's this mean, then: that the "original intent" of Gholgoth is no longer in force?

For my money, I've always RP'd it taking quite awhile for my fleets involved outside Gholgoth to take awhile to get there, and since leaving the APTO have written Pantera and Gholgoth as being very distant from the other heavily populated regions of the NS world. To compensate for such vast distances I've courted relationships and maintained depots in the Pacific and Europe, such as Baltic ports in Crimmond

I've always assumed that terrain, much like time, is fluid in NS. This is what gives us the ability to have 100,000+ nations in the world, many of whom claim the same RL landmasses, with some of these claims encompassing entire RL continents or random terrain jerked straight from the pages of our favorite fantasy novels and plunked down 'somewhere' on the NS globe. The reason it all works so well is that no one gets up in arms about it.

Given this new development, I will be expecting you to take 6 or 8 posts detailing a naval journey to Haven later in the war, if you send one.

Given these new expectations, if our claims bother you that much, feel free to walk. I don't care much for orcs, elves, or gravships, yet manage not to call 'wank' on them, just because they don't suit my particular style. Again, if it's going to cause such a ruckus: Walk.

I can read, Crimm. So what's this mean, then: that the "original intent" of Gholgoth is no longer in force?

The application of 'original' to the intent most always implies that the current intent is in some way altered from the original, enough that there is a noticable difference.

Now let's please try not to start the fingerpointing. It's been a long time since I've been able to get into a decent war and I'd rather not have it blown before it even gets off the ground.

Yo,

Midlonia attacked my colony (Cbaso) so I'll probably post in the Haven theatre thread soon. :1

For my money, I've always RP'd it taking quite awhile for my fleets involved outside Gholgoth to take awhile to get there, and since leaving the APTO have written Pantera and Gholgoth as being very distant from the other heavily populated regions of the NS world. To compensate for such vast distances I've courted relationships and maintained depots in the Pacific and Europe, such as Baltic ports in Crimmond

I've always assumed that terrain, much like time, is fluid in NS. This is what gives us the ability to have 100,000+ nations in the world, many of whom claim the same RL landmasses, with some of these claims encompassing entire RL continents or random terrain jerked straight from the pages of our favorite fantasy novels and plunked down 'somewhere' on the NS globe. The reason it all works so well is that no one gets up in arms about it.



Given these new expectations, if our claims bother you that much, feel free to walk. I don't care much for orcs, elves, or gravships, yet manage not to call 'wank' on them, just because they don't suit my particular style. Again, if it's going to cause such a ruckus: Walk.

But don't forget, the nations of Gholgoth are probably masters at the art of war, pun intended. They will have considerable knowledge and applications of logistics and are prepared to sail that far and that long, to get to somewhere and also still have the ability to fight.

GIO UPDATE THE DAMMED FRONT PAGE.

And pass me the popcorn.

Right Right, appologies for the double post, here's some footnotes.

UrbanSky's: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11718208&postcount=48

NNLS: Northfordian Navy Land Service, random elite naval infantry.

Hedgehog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog_%28weapon%29

‘Who me?’: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_me%3F

Oh, and TSS, it's Kepler', not Kelpers :P

Does anyone else listen to Ennio Morricone while they write?

*pulls head off of desk sharply and snorts a bit*

Eh? Woh? Oh yeah, right...

Added North's and Zuk's threads.

NATO? How Do I join the NATO alliance then?

NATO? How Do I join the NATO alliance then?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499287

Shouldn't the thing between me and Crave be considered a war thread and not a development thread?

Not one of the major fronts, so not really...

It's technically the Haven front, we just made it a seperate thread so as to not clutter the main Haven thread further. -_-

Time: 4:45 AM

I appreciate my post was a bit wanky, so anyone involved in it knows where to contact me to discuss this, as I'm more than willing to. This RP is going good right now and I don't want to fuck it up with any tech arguments! I'm hoping we can make this into one of II's best wars yet, if not the best.

However, I apologse that I am so bad at keeping time. For SS, I have deployed my kinetics (finally!) in the home front (as well as something I want to work out with allanea/midlonia later on), and you can see a development of the whole theatre according to my point of view in the Haven Theatre.

There will be another post in the haven theatre tommorow, covering TSS, Ceylon, Arcis, and the Cravanian air fight, plus my offensive into the Strob and in Azaha!

AND a full post on the Gholgoth Theare detailing my battle with Tyre and future (SIC<.<) battle plans.

Sorry for this fuckup (on my part, not north or any of my allies) and I hope you can see the POV of me and my allies in our small amount of posts compared to yours, considering we're less people to post with :p

Well, you forgot to deal with the four following waves of bomber-launched missiles, but I can put that off until you get back on.

Main items of my post:

45,000 artillery shells and 12,000 tons of bombs – the surviving Questarian infantry
5000 cruise missiles – Questarian AA and communications
420 godrods – Questarian airbases
Lots of flak and AA missiles (at least 20,000 vehicles firing with flak cannon, and at least 10,000 AA missiles, and 2,500 air-to-air missiles) - Questarian CAS and bomber aircraft attacking me.
My counteroffensive, coming IMMEDIATELY AFTER the shelling and bombing of the surivving Questarians, with the primary objective of finishing these particular Questarians off.

OOC:

The bunkers are targeted with 60,000 tons of gliding HALON and cluster bombs.

The Nakil 1A1’s are targeted with 10,000 anti-armor bomblets and 108,000 140mm rounds. These will, at least in theory, if they strike, strike the tanks through the top, rather then the front.

The Azahan capital is targeted by:
1,450 I-5 3.4 ton guided cluster bombs. (4930 tons weight)
6,600 tons of napalm bombs.

P.S. During the night of March 9th, 1945, when from 80,000 to 100,000 Japanese were killed in Tokyo, 334 B-29’s were used ,carrying approx. 7.4 tons of bombs per plane – approx. 2,471.6 tons of bombs. I dropped 11,530 bombs on the city. Now contemplate this upon the Tree of Woe.

The air attack is an all-out alpha strike with 2,448 A-102s committed to the attack. I don't feel like RPing the next three attacks, as they'll be exactly the same thing, so just note that another attack will be coming every six hours.

I think we talked about it, but the bomber-launched missiles are programmed (in this instance) with a fairly strict targeting hierarchy. Ships of the line will be targeted, then aircraft carriers (CVNs and then CVLs in that order), then cruisers, and finally destroyers.

The ICCMs will be going after carriers only, since the IN wants as few of those as possible to survive when the furball is joined. They're equipped with ECM, chaff, flares, etc. Same kind of stuff most ICCMs pack, really. Also, the missiles are network just like my normal cruise missiles, so there probably won't be any overlap in this attack.

The A-102 attack is a bit different. It's aimed at tying up the cruisers by forcing them to defend themselves. The Mogamis are the big target, but the missiles will go after other cruisers if they present themselves as an easier kill. The second wave is the devious one, it will go after the Force D/Force E logistics ships (especially the refueling ships.) The third wave will go after the cruisers again and the final wave will go after the CVLs. Of course, that won't be the end of the carrier-launched attacks, but at that point the A-102s will switch to -502s and I have something different in mind for that, so I'll be detailing the first wave.

While I may have tied hands with the Second War of Corporatist Aggression, it doesn't mean I can't read.

Kriegorgrad and QC affiliates: Erm, what was the point of that strike? You're only bringing more enemies for your faction. No offense intended.

Kahanistan: You do realize that realistically speaking, social order and having martial law with a radical fascist is not exactly going to look good on you? Again, no offense intended. Just doing my bout of analysis.

Kriegorgrad and QC affiliates: Erm, what was the point of that strike? You're only bringing more enemies for your faction. No offense intended.


From how I see it, absorbing Kahanistan will eliminate a potential risky border while also allowing for direct rail traffic between Kriegorgrad and Northford. The latter is quite handy when you consider that I'm currently shipping war and civilian supples through them, with a brief naval trip to skirt Kahanistan.

From how I see it, absorbing Kahanistan will eliminate a potential risky border while also allowing for direct rail traffic between Kriegorgrad and Northford. The latter is quite handy when you consider that I'm currently shipping war and civilian supples through them, with a brief naval trip to skirt Kahanistan.
Telegram, Rosdivan.

And have insurgents blowing up railroads and the like. Pre-war, there were no restrictions on civilian traffic through Kahanistan (not that its railroads are that good - most people get around by car or plane) and now the place is a warzone. Looks like the QC's just fucked themselves in the ass.

SEA: True, but the people are just that desperate. Of course, Kahanistan has better gear than the RL crap that sucked shit against Doom, but they were just Pearl Harbored - they weren't expecting an attack through Kriegorgrad, so the border was about as defended as the US-Canadian border. The Northford border, on the other hand, looks more like the Israeli security fence, plus anti-tank and anti-air defences.

Allanea, I note that my standard pattern to a biological attack is to escalate.

Do you want to escalate?

And have insurgents blowing up railroads and the like. Pre-war, there were no restrictions on civilian traffic through Kahanistan (not that its railroads are that good - most people get around by car or plane) and now the place is a warzone. Looks like the QC's just fucked themselves in the ass.

How does you blowing up your own infrastructure fuck anyone but yourself up the ass? You're just making it harder on yourself to bring supplies and men to the front line. Anyone could just come in and put in new tracks with ease.

Looks like the QC's just fucked themselves in the ass.

Um, I'm at war with the whole of NATO and Gholgoth. In what way does adding Kahanistan to that list, considering your military history is about equal to that of Syria, fucking us in the ass?

/me notes that the destruction of rails would take place during any occupation.

With the Lee-Nordenfeldt on Kriegs side, victory is attainable! Forward men of Kriegos! Death to the fascist hordes! ;_;

Most of the violence is happening in Metzuda, right? HOw far is that from the Kriegos border?

First off, Matt apparently didn't realize this until not too long ago, so I suppose it bears repeating: yes, my Navy flies. I have no surface vessels; Arda relies entirely on gravitics for fleet actions. Anyone who makes a practice of ignoring superior technology should feel free to do so. I'll try to balance my advantages (the fleets are pretty small, for instance), and it should be noted that a gravship fleet is responsible both for operations over the seas and land operations so despite the tech advantage Arda seems to have, her fleets will be taxed to the utmost attempting to force a tactical advantage over both land and sea.

A description of my attack in this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12893352&postcount=40) is as follows:

WAVE I 132 (aquanaut) + 4 (5Mt) + 114 ()= 250
WAVE II 660 (aquanaut) + 10 (5Mt) + 198 ()= 868 = 1118 total

The closed parentheses indicate that I haven't devised a payload for this particular weapon yet. Matt, we can assume the Aquanaut probably has about a 750kg payload and a 250kg penetrator as per discussion in IRC. I don't really know shit about explosive yields, and the sources I've consulted on the subject are horrifyingly inadequate at best.

Anyway, the strike will come (as you can see) in two waves, launched ~10 minutes apart, each cycle taking about one and a half or two minutes to fully clear their tubes. I don't really care to specify every little detail, so we'll just treat it like a great whacking lot of boom and you can just wing it. Also, since the Aquanaut is a gravitic missile, it can slip in and out of the water as necessary, so any countermeasures will need to account for this. When I say it has an "erratic flight pattern" I mean to say it flies very near the surface and weaves side to side, ducking under the waves periodically. They're not sophisticated enough to do this in response to countermeasures, but they'll be hard to interdict nonetheless. Only the Aquanauts will be hitting your ships, the fourteen or so 5Mt bastards I launched will attempt to destroy the shipyards at Ceylon. If there aren't that many facilities, or if they're close enough to be taken out by one or two missiles, the remainder will default to noticable garrisons or supply bases. The missiles you see enumerated last in my summary above (the ones with empty parentheses next to them) are slightly heavier than Aquanauts and will be targetting coastal artillery and any surviving moorings.

Hey, Melkor, arn't you the guy that uses those torchships powered by pyrokinetics from that one comic book?

Most of the violence is happening in Metzuda, right? How far is that from the Kriegos border?

http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/Kahanistan/havenicrepublic.jpg

Probably 500-600 km. Not that it matters, resistance until they get to the capital will be fairly weak as Kahanistan's defences were focused on repelling an attack from the other side, so they were caught unawares on the south end.

Hey Kahanistan, can you get on MSN?

Hey, Melkor, arn't you the guy that uses those torchships powered by pyrokinetics from that one comic book?

The Red Star (they actually just released a game based on it, as I'm sure you've all seen in the banner ad), and yes, I am the guy. They're called "Skyfurnaces" and I have three of them, none of which are currently deployed. Depending on whether Matt accepts them they may or may not see use in this conflict.

I hope they do. Those things are cool. >_>

Okay, I'm going to break down each attack so there's no confusion. Just a note that applies to all of these attacks, the various waves are designed so that they start hitting their targets at roughly the same time; the different altitudes and different speeds while the missiles are converging is designed to cause problems for the Force D/E air defense.

Attack One
Wave 1: 216 AGM-335 cruise missiles, no EW birds, hi-lo-lo profile, targeting whatever is seen first (most likely picket ships)
Wave 2: 1,152 SGM-503B cruise missiles, 72 EW birds, hi-hi-lo profile, targeting the superdreads
Wave 3: 216 AGM-335 cruise missiles, 18 EW birds, hi-hi-lo profile, targeting the cruisers

Attack Two
Wave 1: 216 AGM-335 cruise missiles, no EW birds, hi-lo-lo profile, targeting whatever is seen first (most likely picket ships)
Wave 2: 216 AGM-335 cruise missiles, 18 EW birds, hi-hi-lo profile, targeting the cruisers

Attack Three
Wave 1: 216 AGM-335 cruise missiles, no EW birds, hi-lo-lo profile, targeting whatever is seen first (most likely picket ships)
Wave 2: 5,184 SGM-503A cruise missiles, 432 EW birds, hi-hi-lo profile, targeting the battleships
Wave 3: 216 AGM-335 cruise missiles, 18 EW birds, hi-hi-lo profile, targeting the cruisers

Attack Four
Wave 1: 216 AGM-335 cruise missiles, no EW birds, hi-lo-lo profile, targeting whatever is seen first (most likely picket ships)
Wave 2: 432 AGM-335 cruise missiles, 36 EW birds, hi-hi-lo profile, targeting the cruisers


SGM-503B: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9919087&postcount=1241
SGM-503A/AGM-502: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8791642&postcount=1055
AGM-335: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7540264&postcount=772

Allanea: can I ask how the entirety of your shit got past QC defences, especially from the south where you have a nation of Kriegos blocking most of the South, and the sliver of land which you could get into Kahanistan with via TSS swarming with the planes and the blitzkrieg?

Your post: this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12895642&postcount=36)

I'm not going to get into specifics, except to say that my computer no longer reads my HDD as present during boot. Obviously, this state is not conducive to a working computer, so until the problem is localized by Alienware tech support and it is fixed, I'm stuck with posting once a day at the library.

That sucks. My will to rp has somewhat slowed down but it picked up pace today so there'll be a reply soon.

Well, it wasn't anything near as serious as I thought it was, so it's been fixed.

My gf had the same problem with her laptop today, maybe something to do with who made the harddrives.

No. I was messing about in the case and accidentally unplugged my the SATA cable. The AV8 doesn't lock the SATA cable in like most newer mobos do, so it's possible to accidentally unplug the cable.

Yeah the connectors on the AV8 aren't the best, I was repairing one of them yesterday.

Questers...

What's going on, on the Gholgoth front?

That sucks. My will to rp has somewhat slowed down but it picked up pace today so there'll be a reply soon.

The Gholgoth front has stalled.

The fronts have all stalled.

Fixt it for you Crimm.

Hey, I don't have a problem with that.. the longer it stays stalled the more time I have to get my sidestory back on track :D

The gholgoth front stalling is my fault D:

Jolt ate a really nice ~3,000 word post I made yesterday, I've been trying to put it back together from memory, but it's proving difficult.

just posted something to read, i'll finalize my attack tomorrow

Allanea, are those my F/A-84 Shadows, if so I don't remember selling them to you.

Those of us in the Gholgoth theater are growing bored......

Allanea, are those my F/A-84 Shadows, if so I don't remember selling them to you.

Though this has likely already been brought up:

The Request (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12709750&postcount=54)

The Reply (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12709762&postcount=55)

Apologies if this matter has been settled.

Been resolved, I founded it earlier.

I'm waiting for my chance to spring into action and bring death to my enemies.

Yep, any day now.





Yep.

Those of us in the Gholgoth theater are growing bored......

YOU might be bored.

I'm annoyed.

OK, firstly Tyre said he has a post he wants to do (yes, I'm aware he's done one), secondly, we're actually only on the third day of the war (if you keep up with haven/home thread), so unless you want me to pime taradox my fleets past Tyrandis (which I'm fine with, actually) so I can assault AMF, like, now, then sure.

Full posts on Home, Haven, and Gholgoth theatres coming tommorow anyway <_<

Hokay, Crave I beleive I've already welcomed the Espada in to the tune of 200+ ships' foghorns. Aaaand I'm waiting on Okie and Barkozy.

Doom, where'd you get the idea that thermobarics are a poor anti-armor weapon? One of the uses I've seen listed for the MOAB is a mass anti-armor weapon. Buttoned up tanks, and by extension the crews inside, are not immune to severe overpressure; a thermobaric detonation above a hatch is going to turn everything inside, crew included, into paste. It won't completely destroy the tank, sure, but what use is a tank if the crew has been reduced to their base atomic structures?

OK, firstly Tyre said he has a post he wants to do (yes, I'm aware he's done one), secondly, we're actually only on the third day of the war (if you keep up with haven/home thread), so unless you want me to pime taradox my fleets past Tyrandis (which I'm fine with, actually) so I can assault AMF, like, now, then sure.

Full posts on Home, Haven, and Gholgoth theatres coming tommorow anyway <_<

Two days later.

I would like to bring it everyone's attention that I just cpd all the posts in the Haven theatre (alone) into MS word and it totals just under 100,000 words.

I would like to bring it everyone's attention that I just cpd all the posts in the Haven theatre (alone) into MS word and it totals just under 100,000 words.

Lulz :p

Alright...

I've had MORE than enough.

POST YOU LAZY BASTARDS! POST!

Alright...

I've had MORE than enough.

POST YOU LAZY BASTARDS! POST!

When Questers posted a few days ago he posted a good fair bit seeing as he is managing three thread, away on holiday and on 56k. You on the other hand produced a rather short post in a reply when you could of put more into.

This is meant to be the NS war of the century not some weekly four line noob war thread.

Crimm's post was just an attempt to stir something up. Questers, if you would like to speed the pace of this up, you can just come straight after me. I'm not sure what Tyrandis's schedule is like, but this theater is moving too slow.

Right, here are the missile totals.

Task Force 9 (First Wave): 2,448 SGM-502 EW birds simulating 17,136 attack birds of the same model.

Task Force 9 (Second Wave): 85,680 SGM-502 attack birds targeting the Mogamis with home-on-radar/home-on-jam, although terminal guidance will be with LIDAR. Distribution will be largely even between the remaining Mogamis.

Bomber Squadrons: 55,746 AGM-502 attack birds going for the carriers. Distribution will be largely equal.

When Questers posted a few days ago he posted a good fair bit seeing as he is managing three thread, away on holiday and on 56k. You on the other hand produced a rather short post in a reply when you could of put more into.

This is meant to be the NS war of the century not some weekly four line noob war thread.

Oooooo.... my post is only half the size of his! I have failed! Woe is me! No matter the fact that all my other forces have nothing relevant to do at this moment other than 'wait for the enemy'.

Shut up. I'm not talking about Questers anyway. I'm talking about everyone else on the thread, who are able to post but are just sitting on their hands for some reason.

This is meant to be the NS war of the century, not a war that TAKES a century.