NationStates Jolt Archive

This thread is exactly what the title says, so use it.

Ugh...I'm trying to do too much on here at once, aren't I? *sigh*

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Ok, I get it. Break through, land, shoot stuff.

I dunno if you saw my post about the ten Dunkerque's, but they're available for use. Sometimes the forum won't post it.

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Ok, I get it. Break through, land, shoot stuff.

I dunno if you saw my post about the ten Dunkerque's, but they're available for use. Sometimes the forum won't post it.

Yeah, I got it. I'm just a little busy, don't worry about it :)

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Ok, I get it. Break through, land, shoot stuff.

I dunno if you saw my post about the ten Dunkerque's, but they're available for use. Sometimes the forum won't post it.

I highly doubt that...

..ok..?

I'm serious. Sometimes I'll post stuff and it won't show up till about an hour later.

TG Jarridia.

Just a quick note... I have a full division of air assault paras helping Doom out with the occupation, as well as I think three regiments of fighters and associated support infrastructure. I'll post composition later in the IC thread.

TG Jarridia

As Doom has so eloquently pointed out to me in a conversation, apparently I had forgotten something very important. Back during the initial invasion of ViZion, apparently I mobilized my navy at Mediport, and Doom destroyed. (Read it with my own eyes). So some things will need to be changed. If you would all please 'assume' these things until i have the chance to go back and change them.

- All the items that I moved to Mediport will be changed to Barcelona.
- The fleets leaving from Mediport that I rped against MP are also from Barcelona.
- My air force is still in Barcelona, as is the original man power of 300,000 men.
- There may be a few naval vessels left (I'll work that out OOCly with doom)

If we can just assume these things, I'd appreciate it for now. Also, if I'm forgetting something that just doesn't look right, please let me know.

To someone in the med already (ie Xeraph) if you could help me defend Mediport from Doom in case he attacks, it would be appreciated. Allied forces will still be able to fully utilize Barcelona.

AGAIN....Everything I stated going to Mediport has been moved to Barcelona. Thank you.

I have a large sub fleet in ambush mode just outside Gilbraltor.

An Airborne unit waiting somewhere, and my fleet is in the East Alantic.

Maybe I missed it I thought Xeraph's fleet was still in the Atlantic not the Med.
If I remember correctly ViZion is where Italy is in the real world if not can a map be posted to give us newer guys a frame of reference.

Maybe I missed it I thought Xeraph's fleet was still in the Atlantic not the Med.
If I remember correctly ViZion is where Italy is in the real world if not can a map be posted to give us newer guys a frame of reference.

I believe Xeraph posted and said his forces in the med were from a base destroyed in ViZion. So he has SOME forces in the Med

Got it, We may want to choose a commander to be the over all leader. It will make who is assigned to do what a whole lot easier, especially seeing that we have a lot of people jumping on the freedom band wagon.
My other question is is Doomingland joining or has he pretty much be knocked
out by AMF. I know a while ago he was squarely in Damian's sights and if you are in that unhappy place you don't seem to live long.

I believe Xeraph posted and said his forces in the med were from a base destroyed in ViZion. So he has SOME forces in the Med


6 cbgs (approx 135 ships) formerly based in the Tunisian ports

As Doom has so eloquently pointed out to me in a conversation, apparently I had forgotten something very important. Back during the initial invasion of ViZion, apparently I mobilized my navy at Mediport, and Doom destroyed. (Read it with my own eyes). So some things will need to be changed. If you would all please 'assume' these things until i have the chance to go back and change them.

- All the items that I moved to Mediport will be changed to Barcelona.
- The fleets leaving from Mediport that I rped against MP are also from Barcelona.
- My air force is still in Barcelona, as is the original man power of 300,000 men.
- There may be a few naval vessels left (I'll work that out OOCly with doom)

If we can just assume these things, I'd appreciate it for now. Also, if I'm forgetting something that just doesn't look right, please let me know.

To someone in the med already (ie Xeraph) if you could help me defend Mediport from Doom in case he attacks, it would be appreciated. Allied forces will still be able to fully utilize Barcelona.

AGAIN....Everything I stated going to Mediport has been moved to Barcelona. Thank you.

if I survive with enough force left after Mass's first-strike, I'd be happy to oblige.

and I understand the Mediport/Barcelona thing.....no prob...actually make my lifa a little easier.

BTW, does anyone know what the status of ViZ's African territory is? Occupied/unoccupied?

and just what the hell is AMF up to? It'd be nice to know.......

AMF just did a sneak attack on British Londinium took them out with out firing a shot. I just happened to have a task force of of BL's coast. Xeraph if you can't make it to the port I am going to send that aforementioned task force and some additional ships to the south entrance of the Suez Canal to prevent anyone we don't going through we don't want to.

AMF just did a sneak attack on British Londinium took them out with out firing a shot. I just happened to have a task force of of BL's coast. Xeraph if you can't make it to the port I am going to send that aforementioned task force and some additional ships to the south entrance of the Suez Canal to prevent anyone we don't going through we don't want to.


what port? Mediport?

I thought AMF was going to have something to do with the ViZion thing.

what port? Mediport?

I thought AMF was going to have something to do with the ViZion thing.

Sorry any friendly port.

Got it, We may want to choose a commander to be the over all leader. It will make who is assigned to do what a whole lot easier, especially seeing that we have a lot of people jumping on the freedom band wagon.
My other question is is Doomingland joining or has he pretty much be knocked
out by AMF. I know a while ago he was squarely in Damian's sights and if you are in that unhappy place you don't seem to live long.
Of course I'm joining, AMF hasn't even set foot on my soil yet, and I have millions of troops stationed in my Mediterranean empire. As I told Jarridia, I have SATs on Saturday, and so I probably won't post until after that, so give me a chance to respond...Mediport is going to be torched... :)

Question are we only using modern tech here or post modern. It looks to me
(and I may be wrong ) that everyone except MassPwnage is using MT. No offense to him but I hate the idea of mixing the two. If we can come to a agreement on this this war would go a lot smother. I can switch to PMT I will only need to reorganize my order of battle.

It looks to me
(and I may be wrong ) that everyone except MassPwnage is using MT. No offense to him but I hate the idea of mixing the two.

I think my technology is all within the realm of MT.

Question are we only using modern tech here or post modern. It looks to me
(and I may be wrong ) that everyone except MassPwnage is using MT. No offense to him but I hate the idea of mixing the two. If we can come to a agreement on this this war would go a lot smother. I can switch to PMT I will only need to reorganize my order of battle.
Dude...the stuff MP was using is most definately MT, not PMT.

pulse cannon is definitely not modern tec. The Rail guns are iffy at best. the estimates I have seen is that a combat effective rail gun is about 25 years out. If you have somthing to show me I am incorrect let me know and I will have no beef about it. I would just like to keep the tec. level consistent. I have seen too many threads crash and burn over such issues and I want to be sure we are on the same page so it will not happen here because we have a good group and I want to keep it going.

I'm considering building a rail gun for my 11th grade Science Project, they're definately feasible. A combat effective rail gun is already here.

OK rail guns are not a problem then but can someone explain the pulse cannon. I just want to know what I am dealing with.

Hey guys....sorry no updates today. I've been working on a presentation for city council tomorrow thats just about completed. Hopefully it will go over great! Once my final meeting is done (around 1 tomorrow) I'll be off for the weekend and should have a lot more free time to get ya'll some updates and other fun stuff. Please bare with me, and I thank all of you for your patience.

Good luck Jarridia!

I will be out all day myself Working till 5:30 then dinner and stuff with the wife. I should have a post tonight or Sat.

pulse cannon is definitely not modern tec. The Rail guns are iffy at best. the estimates I have seen is that a combat effective rail gun is about 25 years out. If you have somthing to show me I am incorrect let me know and I will have no beef about it. I would just like to keep the tec. level consistent. I have seen too many threads crash and burn over such issues and I want to be sure we are on the same page so it will not happen here because we have a good group and I want to keep it going.



Excellent....this means that I can call up my AI MEK-ARAKNO Units, known to Xeraphians as 'Spiders'. 95% of them are armed with dual 35mm Gatling Guns, the rest lasers and pulse cannons.

Hmmm...so I guess the strictly MT that Jarridia told me is not quite reality. That might adversely affect my involvement as my own timeline now puts this squarely in the War of the Golden Succession time where my military is fully committed.

On a complete other note, I've always construed MT to depict what militaries in the world currently field today. The iff's and but's of history and science seem to be a well held in PMT where we can say that our nation developed them independetly but MT always used to mean Abrams MBT's and Nimitz Carriers as your standard, no pulse rail gun stuff. Not a moan, just a comment. I use RAM's which as far as I know are not in service at the moment, along with big ass 500plane aircraft carriers. I just always brand my RPing now as PMT.

I do fear that this is going to spiral to Supreme Commander tech stuff though :P In my mind Xeraphs Arakno is pictured as a MonkeyLord. hehe!

Hmmm...so I guess the strictly MT that Jarridia told me is not quite reality. That might adversely affect my involvement as my own timeline now puts this squarely in the War of the Golden Succession time where my military is fully committed.

On a complete other note, I've always construed MT to depict what militaries in the world currently field today. The iff's and but's of history and science seem to be a well held in PMT where we can say that our nation developed them independetly but MT always used to mean Abrams MBT's and Nimitz Carriers as your standard, no pulse rail gun stuff. Not a moan, just a comment. I use RAM's which as far as I know are not in service at the moment, along with big ass 500plane aircraft carriers. I just always brand my RPing now as PMT.

I do fear that this is going to spiral to Supreme Commander tech stuff though :P In my mind Xeraphs Arakno is pictured as a MonkeyLord. hehe!




WTF is a MonkeyLord? And yes, we could push the PMT envelope. The downside to MP/Doom using it is that we can claim our own PMT weapon as viable. I don't know about them, but I have a shitload of PMT weaponry.

IH - When I started, thats what I thought. I figured it would just be another good ole MT War. Apparently I was wrong?

I'd hope to keep it as MT as possible, but if the direction of the rp takes another, then I will have to acquiesce to that request.

Well, I'm with you on that Jarridia. The more MT the better and as far as I'm concerned MT is up to and including the current year, none of this up to 2020 or whatever.

But I've RP'd against Kraven's captial police and PMT technology so if everyone else wants to go that way I can deal with that I guess.

The whole idea of using pulse cannons sounds a bit farfetched to me though, so I wouldn't mind someone explaining those.

While I would prefer to keep this as close/strictly to MT as possible, it appears it's continuing to go more and more advanced. As such, I guess we shall be using some more advanced technology now in this war.

Theoroshia, how did your ships get past MP's blockade at Gibraltar and end up in range of Italy?

Ok, guys. Everything I have is MT. We can make it today, with the materials available today. End of story. I will ignore anybody else that says what I do is PMT.

The NOVA guns are MT, the fusion pulses created to fire the weapons are brief and non-self sustaining. As for the railguns, you can eliminate the wear on the rails by suspending the projectile with a magnet.

I want to know Where Nova and pulse guns are MT I can't find im. I am realy thinking those are PMT. From what I have read on the forums most people consider directed engery weapons to be eather FT or later PMT not MT. As for the Rail Guns I have one question where are you getting the power from. for rail guns that size you would need half the power grid of Eroupe to run the thing ( I am doing resherch on this to see if it is true). Standered guns (even ECT) would no be a problem as far as I am concerned. So I would not have a problem if you just swaped them out. I would like to keep this as MT as possible. I hope this matter can be resolved.

The NOVA guns are MT, the fusion pulses created to fire the weapons are brief and non-self sustaining.


This is just me, but I do believe that at our current technology level, we have never been able to succesfully accomplish a controlled fusion reaction.

Uncontrolled reactions, maybe, as in the case of the Hydrogen Fusion Bomb, but not controlled: too much energy is required, in fact, we have to put in so much energy that it's not worth it for the energy we would get in return.

Just my 2 cents here on the matter, maybe we've had a recent break-through, but as far as I know, any type of controlled fusion would definately be PMT at the least, maybe even FT.

Theoroshia, how did your ships get past MP's blockade at Gibraltar and end up in range of Italy?


I have two sets of ships. One that was part of the Xeraphian fleet, and one fleet that was near the blockade.

Okay some explaination before someone goes and calls Godmode on me, I've had that fleet there for months up to the actual engagement, and from what I've read in the past Gibraltar has been a contested area for naval battles so I'm sure ships have sank there.

Ok, guys. Everything I have is MT. We can make it today, with the materials available today. End of story. I will ignore anybody else that says what I do is PMT.

The NOVA guns are MT, the fusion pulses created to fire the weapons are brief and non-self sustaining. As for the railguns, you can eliminate the wear on the rails by suspending the projectile with a magnet.

I was merely saying that in my own mind my definition of MT is what is currently deployed by the militaries of the world. The IGNORE cannon no longer bothers me to be honest so do your worst.



While I would prefer to keep this as close/strictly to MT as possible, it appears it's continuing to go more and more advanced. As such, I guess we shall be using some more advanced technology now in this war.

I'm quite happy to do this, I will just put this in my timeline as soon(ish) after the War of the Golden Succession. It does mean my troops will be more experienced, doctrine more refined and equipment more numerous which will move me away from the angle I had hoped to use but thats ok.


On another note entirely, do we have rules for WMD's here? Or even a definition of them? I'm just wondering because I percieve Chemical and Biological weapons as potentially more dangerous than nuclear ones, so if attacked with the former I would definetely use the latter.

My only beef is to what is modern tec. My take on the WMD issue is due unto others.
I would prefer WMDs not be used but if you guys want to it is fine by me.

Okay some explaination before someone goes and calls Godmode on me, I've had that fleet there for months up to the actual engagement, and from what I've read in the past Gibraltar has been a contested area for naval battles so I'm sure ships have sank there.

TLA: I've chopped up a lot of the ships and debris on the bottom to use as material in building the fortress and an artificial harbor at Gibraltar. This was necessary because otherwise, the nuclear reactors from the Questarian fleet I sank there earlier would have made the sea literally boil with leaked radiation. What I could salvage from the Questarian (and other) nuclear reactors from the bottom of the straits power the base, which is enough to power the base's railguns and NOVA guns.

As for the NOVA guns,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion

It's a lot safer than using Mekugi's unity guns or ZMI's nuclear pulse guns, I don't need to store tons of explosive compressed hydrogen or plutonium, only a large power source so that I can get a small pellet of fuel to go critical and expand massively in volume. I don't care about making a controlled reaction, only enough to get the shell out of the barrel.

Lastly, try to avoid the nuclear weapons. Biological and Chemical I'm Ok with, but nuclear just leads to MAD, which is really un-fun.

TLA: I've chopped up a lot of the ships and debris on the bottom to use as material in building the fortress and an artificial harbor at Gibraltar. This was necessary because otherwise, the nuclear reactors from the Questarian fleet I sank there earlier would have made the sea literally boil with leaked radiation. What I could salvage from the Questarian (and other) nuclear reactors from the bottom of the straits power the base, which is enough to power the base's railguns and NOVA guns.

As for the NOVA guns,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion

It's a lot safer than using Mekugi's unity guns or ZMI's nuclear pulse guns, I don't need to store tons of explosive compressed hydrogen or plutonium, only a large power source so that I can get a small pellet of fuel to go critical and expand massively in volume. I don't care about making a controlled reaction, only enough to get the shell out of the barrel.

Lastly, try to avoid the nuclear weapons. Biological and Chemical I'm Ok with, but nuclear just leads to MAD, which is really un-fun.

I can see the point for the power generation because of the nuclear reactors. However these reactors are going to be venerable to attack.
The NOVA gun on the other hand is still a problem. According to the article (thanks that did give some good information on what it was. They will not get a credible attempt to get the reaction until 2010 so you are looking at at least ten years to develop a portable ship based weapon assuming nothing goes wrong. So again this is not MT.

Nobody's actually bothered to attack my reactors as of yet.

Secondly, with ships being more than a statue mile long on NS, you'd think they'd be able to fit the necessary lasers....

As for the NOVA guns,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertia...inement_fusion

In a firing gun you'd never be able to keep the laser beam system required to make the device work as accurate as required, especially in battle conditions where the gun is going continuously and the ship its mounted too is taking hits of its own.

Shit.....so this means that my Spiders are a no-no?

In a firing gun you'd never be able to keep the laser beam system required to make the device work as accurate as required, especially in battle conditions where the gun is going continuously and the ship its mounted too is taking hits of its own.

The NOVA gun systems are ground based, and have stabilized lasers and mechanically isolated reaction chambers.

I beleive in your post MassPwnage you indicated that the Nova guns were ship based.

TLA: I've chopped up a lot of the ships and debris on the bottom to use as material in building the fortress and an artificial harbor at Gibraltar. This was necessary because otherwise, the nuclear reactors from the Questarian fleet I sank there earlier would have made the sea literally boil with leaked radiation. What I could salvage from the Questarian (and other) nuclear reactors from the bottom of the straits power the base, which is enough to power the base's railguns and NOVA guns.
Still there is no way one would lift every single ship out so my statement stands.

Well this appears to be a clusterf**k to say the least. I think we need to get an impartial, yet knowledgeable, nation to make a statement on what tech level we are operating at and then everybody needs to adapt to that so we can continue without the OOC bickering. aybe SEA or an NS mod would be appropriate?

As I can see everybody is using ships over one kilometre in length I'll assume that my Renown and other huge vessels are allowed and adapt my in progress post accordingly :) Sorry its taking so long to get up.

I will agree with Hitmen on this ( and I don't even know what side he/she is on yet) if their is such thing as an impartial nation that most of us can agree on. As for the Tec. level I have not made any fuss about the SD issue because too many nations use them. The only reason I have any is to try and keep navy on par with the others. If I had my way I would keep the ship size down to about 800 meters or less.

On a strictly OOC note you can know that I will be helping liberate my ally of old ViZion. ICly I havnt made a stance yet, but that comes in my post Im preparing at the moment.

Oh, the biggest ship I'm sending into this is about 400m long...I feel so left out.

As for ship size in general, I don't care. Personally I think anything over 1km is getting a tad stupid with ~700 - 1km being good enough for a big mother of cap ship, but as long as you keep MT weapons on it (in a MT RP obviously, PMT for that kind of RP etc) I really have no objections to the size of a ship.

I remember reading some logistics thread where the author said something along the lines of, "Whether they know it or not, everyone is MT + 1"

And it seems to be true, especially in this thread. Alot of you seem to be a bit passed the MT point, but then again, pretty much every nation I've ever seen is. I don't know about the NOVA guns, because I havn't had the time to read the entire article, but if their feasible within the article, I don't see why he can't have them.
Chopping up every ship is a bit of a stretch, but I don't see why MP can't pull out specific ships, like the nuclear ships and use them. It may not be enough energy to power a fleet of NOVA guns, but he may be able to get a couple running.

For the ships on the bottom of Gibraltar:

1.) 1st priority was the nuclear reactors/turbines on the ships.
2.) 2nd priority was anything poisonous, such as heavy metals or oil.
3.) 3rd priority was the armor belts on the ships, for reinforcing the fortress at Gibraltar.
4.) 4th priority was the ships themselves, so that I could use their hollowed out carcasses to ring dry docks and make artificial harbors.

There are ships on the bottom still, but they're not as dense as you say they are TLA. In any case, I'll be posting my response later.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm playing at MT or MT+1. Go ahead and bring your Renown IH, I'm fine with that.

Oh, the biggest ship I'm sending into this is about 400m long...I feel so left out.

As for ship size in general, I don't care. Personally I think anything over 1km is getting a tad stupid with ~700 - 1km being good enough for a big mother of cap ship, but as long as you keep MT weapons on it (in a MT RP obviously, PMT for that kind of RP etc) I really have no objections to the size of a ship.


Contrary to popular belief, size doesn't matter. It's how you use what youv'e got......;)

Guys, let Jarridia settle this (I know he's gonna be posting soon...) Let him set the guidelines. This used to be my RP (remember, this all started in with my civil war - that still goes on, though overshadowed by the invasion war) and Jarridia is running this final part of the RP.

With that in mind, its only right that he posts the guidelines that ALL need to follow. If he says all these advanced weapons are allowed, then so be it - nobody should complain on EITHER side. If he says strictly MT, that means what we have today goes. Nothing from tomorrow. And that would go for BOTH sides.

With that said, I say we pause the IC fighting until he posts and stop all the OOC arguing PERIOD.

The biggest ship I use is the Agincourt class SD. It is as follows

Class Agincourt Super Dreadnought
Length 1850 feet
Beam 215 Feet
Draft 40 feet
Power plant Grendel 5 nuclear reactors
Speed 25 knots/sprint 29 knots

Armor
Main Belt 40.2
Bulkheads 14.8
Deck 25.5
Turret face 30.5
Conning tower 20

Main Armament
14x24 inch ECT guns in 7 twin turrets
6x6 inch ECT guns in two triple turrets
16x5.54 inch automatic DP guns in eight twin turrets computer targeted
20 bullet storm AMS systems 30mm in single mounts computer targeted
150 VLS missile launchers aft of turret 7
20 Sea Hawk AA missile launchers Six per launcher
4 Friborg Anti-SD missile launchers

This is the base run down on the largest ship I plan to field It is nothing to outrageous and pretty much MT.

Guys, let Jarridia settle this (I know he's gonna be posting soon...) Let him set the guidelines. This used to be my RP (remember, this all started in with my civil war - that still goes on, though overshadowed by the invasion war) and Jarridia is running this final part of the RP.

With that in mind, its only right that he posts the guidelines that ALL need to follow. If he says all these advanced weapons are allowed, then so be it - nobody should complain on EITHER side. If he says strictly MT, that means what we have today goes. Nothing from tomorrow. And that would go for BOTH sides.

With that said, I say we pause the IC fighting until he posts and stop all the OOC arguing PERIOD.


No problem it is his thread what he says goes.

Alright everyone. We've had some issues come up, and I'm going to take care of them right now before this degrades into pure argument and firing of ignore cannons. I'd like to say that this was an easy decision, but it really wasn't. I've sat here, thinking to myself about an answer for a bit, and I've come to one singly conclusion. I'm sorry that it has come to this, I probably should have set some ground rules initially, but I figured we could handle this without rules. I know we'll have some unhappy people with what ever I decided, so I'd like to apologize in advance.

This RolePlay will be STRICTLY Modern Tech. This is my here and now definition of MT: If it is not feasible within the next 5 years, I don't want to see it, and I don't want to hear it. If you plan on using some weapon, whether it be naval, strategic, gun, or air craft, it MUST have an equivalent in todays modern warfare or in the next 5 years.

I am not including a grandfather clause on this, I would urge all participants to take a look at losses and adjust as necessary. No if's, and's, or but's about it. I will NOT require the reworking or posts, but from here on out you should all know my expectations. I will monitor it all closely, and will call whomever out here in this OOC thread should the need arise. I want this to be fair for everyone, if you do not like my decision, I am sorry, but it needed to be done. If you have any questions, feel free to reach me.

THIS IS FINAL AS OF THIS MOMENT, if I need to make further regulations I will hold the right to do so. Thank you.

How about we wait for ViZion, since it's about his country. After all some nations might have the JSF which isn't coming out until estimated 2015 +7 years.

I must formally protest this rule, seeing as how your interpretation of MT is not the version of MT that is commonly used on NS, neither do your rules leave any room for specialist technologies like SDs used only on Nationstates and not in the real world.

Technology deployed by players like Soviet Bloc, New Empire, ZMI, Tyrandis, Doom and I have original, well researched innovations that do indeed fit into the span of MT, but have not been utilized by RL militaries. It's unfair that just because certain nations have technologically inferior militaries and inferior understanding of military technology and tactics that other players must be dragged down to their level.

MP: "Within the next five years." You and I have alot of alike stuff, and most, if not all of it, is reasible now, if not in the next five years. If your stuff can be built now and you're confident it won't malfuntion and slaughter your men, I think it's fine to use it now. Those five years may have been spent making it even more stable.

Again, I don't know about the NOVA guns, but alot of your stuff seems to me to be fine.

As to SDs, that is a fair point as they are not used in real life. I would like to see Jarridia's thoughts on this matter.

Hmm... everyone seems to be bitching too much about the NOVA guns. I'll remove them and retcon them to say that they are Unity Guns (or just really big regular, conventional guns) instead.

And IH, go ahead, use the Renowns.

I can work with this ruling. My only question are the SuperDreadnoughts still usable?

As the defender in this particular RP, it's my job to decide which tech level we're on (hence why you never see MT nations trying to invade FT people...)

As such, I'm declaring that the definition of modern tech is 2020 tech, as that is what my whole military uses (and a large portion of NS MT nations in general). You're the ones who wanted to fight me in the first place, so you should have known what you'd be up against. This is my ruling on this matter. I have been more than reasonable in terms of my technology thus far, and so I'm sure no one will have problems with this.

Of course, I think the thing that's been making everyone bitch about the subject of tech were MP's NOVA guns, and he's already agreed to take those out of the RP, so there should be no worries.

Quite happy either way to be honest, just wanted an 'official' clarification.
Post should have been up sunday but my computer had a spectacular crash and now fails to boot up, let alone access word. So now I'm back in my uni dorm I'll take a couple of hours to just retype and put it up, once a decision is made (I think it has been but just not everyone has OK'd it yet???) on tech level I can edit away or edit in bits as necessary!
Doom's one suits me reasonably fine and Jarridia's suits me fine......thinking about it over the weekend I realised that I'd rather be using my aircraft carriers than poncy old Nimitz's anyway. :P

Just to let everyone know the EMP missiles I am using are non nuclear. Their effective radius is about 100 meters. That is why I used several hundred. So please do not start lobing nukes at me.
As for the two types of 20,000 pound bombs they are both based on the British Grand Slam bomb (AKA the Earthquake bomb) of WWII.
My Earthquake bombs follow the same basic design ( About six tons of explosives) however they use modern explosives and are armored to defeat AMS.
The Anti- ship type only carries about 7,000 pound of explosives but is heavily armored to defeat anti missile systems. This bomb is essentially a huge bunker buster. I originally built this system to take out AMF's Sentinel Dreadnoughts and The Hood Class SD. There is also a glide bomb variant which I have not used yet.

Just to let everyone know the EMP missiles I am using are non nuclear. Their effective radius is about 100 meters. That is why I used several hundred. So please do not start lobing nukes at me.
As for the two types of 20,000 pound bombs they are both based on the British Grand Slam bomb (AKA the Earthquake bomb) of WWII.
My Earthquake bombs follow the same basic design ( About six tons of explosives) however they use modern explosives and are armored to defeat AMS.
The Anti- ship type only carries about 7,000 pound of explosives but is heavily armored to defeat anti missile systems. This bomb is essentially a huge bunker buster. I originally built this system to take out AMF's Sentinel Dreadnoughts and The Hood Class SD. There is also a glide bomb variant which I have not used yet.

You can't get non-nuclear EMP bombs in MT.

Cland: He can, it's just that they wouldn't exactly have enough electrical impulse to do any damage. They wouldn't create an appreciable enough power surge to get electronics to stop working. And even in PMT, it would be extremely difficult to have mere high explosive create a power surge that would overload electronics. Nuclear weapon based EMPs require a really big explosion to get enough steam built up behind the EMP, something that HE doesn't really have.

ooc: I simply can't believe the WWA excepts their attacks to actually WORK against me in any real capacity. Your poorly executed attacks clearly display your lack of knowledge about tactics and technology.

Here are the things you all are doing wrong:

*Simple missile/plane spam doesn't work, piles of missiles have to br coordinated rather carefully instead of just hurling them en masse at the enemy.

*I can see you coming. You can't quite see me as well. Very few of you have a full complement of AWACS, spotting dones and EW planes that I have, hence my ability to "predict" your attacks.

*Chemical weapons can be scrubbed out easily by the proper filters. Your most recent VX attack probably didn't do anything.

Guys, just a heads-up from the player behind Yallak, who talked to me over Windows Live Messenger about this FYI note...
[10:12:51] Caracas - Destroyer of Worlds: Can you do me a favour?
[10:12:53] Black Comanche: Sure.
[10:16:01] Caracas - Destroyer of Worlds: My net has picked up some sort of malicious software in the last two days and i have no idea when or how but its hijacking my internet browser adding portal-all.com in front of everything as pages are loading and I can no longer get into any websites whatsoever expect suspiciously www.portal-all.com. Anyway, i've been unable to eliminate it yet so I was hoping you could post a message for me in..
[10:16:42] Caracas - Destroyer of Worlds: ....the ViZion war OOC thread to let them know I won't be able to post until i can resolve the issue.
[10:16:51] Black Comanche: Sure.
[10:16:59] Caracas - Destroyer of Worlds: Thanks
[10:17:33] Black Comanche: You're welcome.
So there you have it. Please be patient with him and his computer issue...

Well I've finally got a post up. It had to be written on notepad as my MS word has decided not to work so sorry for any spelling/grammar issues that would usually be sorted out by that.
On another note its not what it should have been, Ill improve it over the day hopefully.
This is the order of battle for the Fleet currently in the North Atlantic. I dont usually RP off of a RL style earth so im a little unsure as to where my forces should come from. Back when I did i used to RP off of South Africa...but I think Allanea has that now.

Current Order of Battle

Capital Ships
2 Illustrious Class Fleet Super Carriers; Intrepid, Illyria [520 Combat Aircraft each]
3 New England Class Fleet Carriers; New Surrey, New Sussex, New York [350 Combat Aircraft each]
1 Ocean Class Fleet Carrier; Atlantic [320 Combat Aircraft]
2 Isomer Class Carriers Independence, Peacekeeper [125 Combat Aircraft Each]
12 Nicholas Kerensky Class Carriers [110 Combat Aircraft Each]
2 Cassandra Class Stealth Carriers [40 Combat Aircraft Each]

1 Prince of Wales Class Superdreadnought Balthasar
1 Royal Soreign Class SuperDreadnought King Robert
12 Toryu IIB Battleships
4 Valiant Class Battleships


Escorts (Cruisers)

14 Greek Class Heavy Cruisers
32 Hunter Class Missile Cruisers
2 Gaul Class Raiders

Escorts (Other)

54 Worker Class Frigates
55 Shade Class Destroyers
2 Brandenburg ASW Frigates


Attached Submarines

12 Vanguard II SSN's
2 Ohio SSGN's


Attached Auxilliary Craft

14 Supply Class Ammunition Ships
25 Dedicated Class Re-supply Ships
8 Fleet Oilers
1 Submarine Tender

Most stats can be found on my reference thread, a link to which Ill add here!

Stuff bombarding Barcelona:

2x Apollyon-class Super Dreadnaughts (St. Michael and Interitus): 40x 27.5” (total)

6x Victorious-class Battleships: 48x 20”

50x Apostle-class Heavy Cruisers: 450x 12”

10x Ajax-class Battleships: 120x 18”

8x Doomanum-class Pocket Super Dreadnaughts: 72x 25”

Gotta figure out the rest of the ships in Classis Italia, though...

The alliance should probably calm down a bit and let MP respond to everything. I never saw him respond to Jarridia's Ceasar attack, or to the barrage of new attacks launched against him.

Also, I'm seeing spikes of players RPing the opposites sides casualties coming from both sides, so just remember that it's up to the other guy how much stuff he loses.

And other guy, don't be a dick. No matter how old or NOT UBERZZ! the munitions coming your way are, they still do something (even if it's scratch paint).

yea, actually have been waiting for MP's response to the Gibraltar attack. Can't do much until then, anyway: can't reach Barcelona by sea or air without getting blasted to hell, which is apparently where the Allied Fleet needs to go.

Oh, and I just remembered I never posted my exact fleet specifics.

Anyhow:

7th Battle Group Order of Battle

Carrier Battle Groups
* Each CBG contains 2 carriers of a like class

Reconquista Class Carriers (490 Aircraft each**)

CBG 1:
-NIIN Salvatore
-NIIN Fuoco di Mare

Perriggio Class Carriers (400 Aircraft Each**)

CBG 2:
-NIIN Raggio di Sole
-NIIN Furia Giusta

Liberta Class Carriers (310 Aircraft Each**)

CBG 3:
-NIIN Cielo e Inferno
-NIIN Giustizia

CBG 4:
-NIIN Argenta
-NIIN Illustre

CBG 5:
-NIIN Vittoria
-NIIN Sfidante

Imperatore Clas Carriers (125 Aircraft Each**)

CBG 6:
-NIIN Re
-NIIN Lancia di Dio

CBG 7:
-NIIN Nettuno
-NIIN Frantumatore

CBG 8:
-NIIN Impavido
-NIIN Annerire il Vento

CBG 9:
-NIIN Cielo Bianco
-NIIN Distruttore

CBG 10:
-NIIN Sciabola
-NIIN Guardia

** Does not include Aeromars
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Battleships:

Command Ship: NIIN Angelo Santo- Furia Class SuperDreadnought

4 Ultimo Class Battleships, NIIN Fuoco, Terra, Vento, and Acqua

6 Vendetta Class Battleships
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Escorts:

48 Tigre Class Frigates

4 Cacciatore Class ASW Frigates

52 Arciere Class Destroyers

37 Mercenario Class Missile Cruisers

11 Ombra Class Heavy Cruisers

23 Protezione Class AA Cruisers

6 Fulmine Class Arsenal Ships
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Submarines (not counting aeromars)

10 Buio Class SSNs

3 Eco Class SSGNs
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Supply Ships

17 Distribuire Class Ammunition Ships

28 Nascondiglio Class Re-supply Ships

10 Fleet Oilers

2 Submarine Tender
_____

Hope that does it.

Okay firstly,
To Steel and Fire, A TLA funded terrorist group has threatened action against your nation if you intervene.

2ndly
We need a map, I know everyone knows where most of this stuff is, but it works better with a map.

3rdly
I still have no surface fleets within range. Yet I hold 4 more Mach 3 bombers in reserve.

The alliance should probably calm down a bit and let MP respond to everything. I never saw him respond to Jarridia's Ceasar attack, or to the barrage of new attacks launched against him.

Also, I'm seeing spikes of players RPing the opposites sides casualties coming from both sides, so just remember that it's up to the other guy how much stuff he loses.

And other guy, don't be a dick. No matter how old or NOT UBERZZ! the munitions coming your way are, they still do something (even if it's scratch paint).


I would love to post my casualties but MP never wants to respond in any RP way except saying in OCC that our attacks will not work. He has never launched any fighters AWACs or anything else, or indicated his ships anti missile systems had stopped even a percentage of the missiles fired against him. I am sorry but this is unfair, Doomingsland can run wild in the Med. because of MP refusing to even acknowledge most of our attacks. I am not just talking about the last round of mass attacks he never acknowledged my missile strike and 1,000 plane raid against his fleet among other attacks that were never responded to. MP never even posted any losses in the fighting with Xeraph at the start of this. We have been posting our losses against Doomingsland. The Allies are wasting their energies against a giant wall of Ignore By MP, something has to give.
MP please RP this out like everyone else. Doomingsland seems more then willing to RP the war with the Allies. I can not understand why you can not, If you do not want to do this please drop out. I am sure the Allies would let Dooningsland reposition his forces to continue this RP with no hard feeling.
MP if for some reason you can't RP this out and don't want to drop out then let us know and we will gladly work somthing out between us.

Tarlag and Jarridia: check TGs


Here's my response to the complete absurdity of this thread: If MP/Doom want to show their techie expertise with detailed explanation of what weapons can and can't do, fine. All I know is that a 7-8 nation allied force coming against a 2 nation force should be kicking their asses royally by now. And would be if MP/Doom would quit claiming 90% of our incoming missiles, etc, were destroyed or otherwise blocked. I don't give a rat's ass WHAT fancy-ass shit they have, the simple fact of the matter is that we outnumber them 12-1 across the board. I do realize that sheer numbers don't always matter when coming up against savvy defenders, but come on.....ALF should have been through the Strait and decimating the enemy frces to the point that we should be considering the next phase of the war, namely attacking and subduing the MP/Doom home nations.

I haven't, and won't, post any more attacks until this is straightened out. I've posted severe losses....enough is enough.

Please post all of MPs OOC statements if they've been Telegrams.


Lets handle this in the democratic way.

All who say that Gilbraltar is no longer a threat say Aie.

PS: Southeastasia tell Yallak I'm trying to find a way to solve his problem... As well as get some revenge on the owner of the site, because I think I found his Email on the site.

AIE, AYE, Works for me! How ever I would like to hear from both MP and Doomingsland.

I think some people need to get a clear divide from IC and OOC and not take it personally. And remember Doom and MP's tech will be better than real life stuff, NS Tech > RL Tech.

I think some people need to get a clear divide from IC and OOC and not take it personally. And remember Doom and MP's tech will be better than real life stuff, NS Tech > RL Tech.
Unless they have a forcefield somewhere they ARE taking damage. No matter how 'good' your stuff is, bombs still hurt. Got that?

It's like in CNC, If someone sends 90 Light infantry against 3 pillboxes, the sheer numbers can make a win.

I think some people need to get a clear divide from IC and OOC and not take it personally. And remember Doom and MP's tech will be better than real life stuff, NS Tech > RL Tech.

I am not taking this personally at all but when I am pretty much told my attacks won't work (OCC statement) and he posts all most no loses what so ever What am I suppose to think. The Tec level difference can be dealt with by just using improved versions of real world gear or just top end RL gear.
My whole initial problem with the tec level was the use of mid to late PMT stuff in an MT game. However I believe the Tec issue is mostly solved.

What people are seeing now is frustration with the lack of damage from our attacks. MP just ignores attacks and keeps on going ( OPPS sorry, one OCC post saying our attack would not work) . From what I understand
(please correct me if I am wrong ) that is frowned on by the Nation States Role Playing Community.

Firstly, you can't just vote that MP is no longer holding Gibraltar, it just doesn’t work that way.

Secondly, most of your armies in a head to head with either Doom or MP would lose, no doubt. Their technology is very advanced, the issue of MPT and MT aside. They’re also highly used to war as they perform it routinely.

However, like I said, munitions will do something, no matter how large the technology gap. MP and Doom can easily claim to intercept 90% of one’s missiles, that’s perfectly feasible. The remaining 10% get through and do some damage, however, not as much as you would expect because of their technology (Still, there should be ships taking heavy damage). The thing is, neither of them can claim to intercept 90% of everyone’s missiles. MP may be able to smack down 90% of Xeraph’s missiles, but as the enemies pile on and the area gets more congested more missiles are going to be hitting him, no matter how powerful his CIWS system is. Numbers are crunching MP now, he’s outnumbered some big number I dunno to 1; the fact is his ships are taking increased damage while he’s either
a.) Dealing less damage to each opponent as those opposing him grows
b.) Destroying one nation’s navy while the others are getting off relatively scot-free

Basically, what’s happening now is that I’m sorry MP, but the numbers are piling against you. Unless Doom’s 1,000 ship navy (which will make the numbers more even) gets there soon, the allies, on sheer force alone, will be breaching through soon. There are going to be giant casualties for both sides, but the allies are coming through.

And I don’t believe MP is purposely ignoring attacks, I think he’s working on replying, yet hasn’t found the time yet, or something like that. While he may have some legitimate OOC concerns (Some nation is dropping soldiers over Spain as we speak, I never saw them RP their plane’s entrance into Spain or give him a chance to shoot them down) most of the attacks against him should be accepted and replied to.

I’m kind of on a ramble while avoiding doing my schoolwork, so uh, yeah. Basically MP needs to post some more and accept that fact that the allies are pushing through. Allies need to take a step back and give him time, and you need to remember that he has to reply to part one before you can proceed to part two.

Firstly, you can't just vote that MP is no longer holding Gibraltar, it just doesn’t work that way. Hey if he refuses to take any damage I'll simply IGNORE his attacks because of Godmoding.


Secondly, most of your armies in a head to head with either Doom or MP would lose, no doubt. Their technology is very advanced, the issue of MPT and MT aside. They’re also highly used to war as they perform it routinely. And we can't have advanced technology as well? I'm a PMT nation also.

However, like I said, munitions will do something, no matter how large the technology gap. MP and Doom can easily claim to intercept 90% of one’s missiles, that’s perfectly feasible. The remaining 10% get through and do some damage, however, not as much as you would expect because of their technology (Still, there should be ships taking heavy damage). The thing is, neither of them can claim to intercept 90% of everyone’s missiles. But they are from what I hear.

Basically, what’s happening now is that I’m sorry MP, but the numbers are piling against you. Unless Doom’s 1,000 ship navy (which will make the numbers more even) gets there soon, the allies, on sheer force alone, will be breaching through soon. There are going to be giant casualties for both sides, but the allies are coming through.[/Quote] Doom is too busy laying waste to the allied cities within the battlezone currently.

And I don’t believe MP is purposely ignoring attacks, I think he’s working on replying, yet hasn’t found the time yet, or something like that. While he may have some legitimate OOC concerns (Some nation is dropping soldiers over Spain as we speak, I never saw them RP their plane’s entrance into Spain or give him a chance to shoot them down)[/Quote] My plane in Spain (heh rhyme) is what appears to be a civilian 747. (False flag operation and all that)

I’m kind of on a ramble while avoiding doing my schoolwork, Same here.

Newtdom, how exactly are those SDs of your's in the Atlantic shooting at my ships that are sitting on the other side of Spain in the Mediterranean?

Let's start with an episode of "PRY INTO MP'S LIFE!"

1.) I'm overwhelmed by the OMFG MATH I'm currently taking at school right now. That has first priority, not some forum about imaginary nations.

2.) Unlike most of you, I have a social life. That has second priority.

3.) As a practitioner of Parkour, I have to keep my skills properly honed with regular practice, that has third priority.

4.) This RP is probably #10 or something on this list of things to do. I can write a lot better than this and probably go into more detail about my technology, but honestly, the lot of you are barely worth my time and energy. Yes, I am being condescending, but until the rest of you develop an understanding of basic tactics and military technology, I don't see any need to treat you with the respect I treat people like Doom or IH. Your continual whining about how I'm not taking damage is not helping your cause.

5.) I am taking damage. It's just that I have a massive, MASSIVE fortress at Gibraltar, featuring an RL year's worth of anti-ship missiles and defenses being stacked up there. Gibraltar is going to need quite a few repairs after this war is done. You simply possessing superior numbers and typing angry messages still won't help you break through. Yes, I can counter all of your attacks quite simply as well. Simple missile and torpedo spam doesn't help much against an opponent who knows what he is doing.

Gibraltar's floating boom and floating dock facilities have been destroyed, but my deployments on the other side have been preventing you from getting through. The land based VLS cells, sea-based defenses, missile silos and gun batteries have taken minimal damage, as have my radars, which have multiple backups each. My air forces haven't taken significant casualties, because I have yet to see a well thought out attack on my planes or aeronautical facilities as of yet.

Okay firstly,
To Steel and Fire, A TLA funded terrorist group has threatened action against your nation if you intervene.

Any such terrorist group would have its work cut out for it. Steel and Fire is relatively easy to get into; but not only does everyone and their dog own a rocket launcher and drive a war-surplus tank to work every day -- and they don't hesitate to use them either, particularly poor drivers routinely have their cars turned into smoldering piles of metal -- but actually getting close enough to a target to blow it up is difficult, mainly due to the large numbers of military personnel-cum-civilian police that are virtually everywhere important. (According to NS Dossier I spend about 180 trillion dollars on my military, so I'm assuming that it's usurped just about every other useful function there is to usurp and thus takes care of everything: old strategic bombers and submarines have been converted into schools and hospitals, people drive military-grade vehicles, guns cost less than cigarettes, et cetera.)

It's a moot point since I have yet to intervene, anyway. And probably won't for quite a while, if at all.

Let's start with an episode of "PRY INTO MP'S LIFE!"

1.) I'm overwhelmed by the OMFG MATH I'm currently taking at school right now. That has first priority, not some forum about imaginary nations.

2.) Unlike most of you, I have a social life. That has second priority.

3.) As a practitioner of Parkour, I have to keep my skills properly honed with regular practice, that has third priority.

4.) This RP is probably #10 or something on this list of things to do. I can write a lot better than this and probably go into more detail about my technology, but honestly, the lot of you are barely worth my time and energy. Yes, I am being condescending, but until the rest of you develop an understanding of basic tactics and military technology, I don't see any need to treat you with the respect I treat people like Doom or IH. Your continual whining about how I'm not taking damage is not helping your cause.

5.) I am taking damage. It's just that I have a massive, MASSIVE fortress at Gibraltar, featuring an RL year's worth of anti-ship missiles and defenses being stacked up there. Gibraltar is going to need quite a few repairs after this war is done. You simply possessing superior numbers and typing angry messages still won't help you break through. Yes, I can counter all of your attacks quite simply as well. Simple missile and torpedo spam doesn't help much against an opponent who knows what he is doing.

Gibraltar's floating boom and floating dock facilities have been destroyed, but my deployments on the other side have been preventing you from getting through. The land based VLS cells, sea-based defenses, missile silos and gun batteries have taken minimal damage, as have my radars, which have multiple backups each. My air forces haven't taken significant casualties, because I have yet to see a well thought out attack on my planes or aeronautical facilities as of yet.


Episode: "Prying" (Crying?) into/about MassPwnage's Life:

We all have a life outside NS. Speaking for myself, a rather full one. Work, school, family.

And as I understand Parkour, it's a method of combining quick thinking with adroit dexterity to get out of difficult situations. Apparently, MP is using it liberally in this thread.

This is a GAME, not advanced military tactics as taught at West Point. It is admirable that MP has such a grasp of such things that he can belabor ad nauseum the need for ALL to play as in depth as he. I have enough "in depth" shit in my life. I play this game so that every now and then I can blow the hell out of an enemy and have fun doing it. Lighten up, pal....

*Sighs at the OOC bashing thats probably going to get into full swing pretty soon.*

Unfortunately I'm moving out of my uni room tomorrow (friday), driving my girlfriend home (saturday daytime) attending a cousins 21st (sat night/sunday morning), going to my Gran's 80th on Sunday (all day) and then heading down to Padstow for a 5 day holiday on Monday.

What Im trying to say is....very busy over the next week so one post max I expect. Ill try and check in as often as possible, but as I said before I suspect this is about to devolve into OOC bashing...I'll contact everyone via TG to attempt to moderate something, but I dont hold too much hope I'm afriad. Which is a pity. But its 2am now so I'm going to bed instead of rambling here :) Night ladies and gents.

Newtdom, how exactly are those SDs of your's in the Atlantic shooting at my ships that are sitting on the other side of Spain in the Mediterranean?

My bad, I was under the impression your fleet was at the strait. I'll edit that to MP. I'm mostly going by what has been messaged to me due to time constraints.

As to the "person who dropped troopers into spain" or whatever of the sort. The west of Spain is not under the control of either MP or Doom, the planes had been rped, its in more than one thread...maybe you should read more closely, and three they were heavily protected by 14 long range fighter wings, and as they closed in on Spain Naval Fighter Wings offered support. All of which has been stated in the threads.

Yet again, I apologize Doom, I've been balancing alot with this and my current internship. Although, that is not a legitimate excuse, I'll fix it immediately.

No worries, man :)

Doom, I'm real sorry I haven't replied to you yet. I'll get on it as soon as I can. A lot has come up at work over the past few days and I have to take charge of a new project *skyscraper development* coming online. I will get to you, and any others as soon as I am able. I hope you all understand.

Just want to put my foot in the door saying I'm sending support to help Doom and MassPwnage seeing as Doom is an ally.

Just want to put my foot in the door saying I'm sending support to help Doom and MassPwnage seeing as Doom is an ally. Uh how? Can't by ship, we've basicly blocked anyway in or out of the area, by Air we can intercept.

Oh and expect terrorist attacks in your nation soon. :D
And Commerce Raiding...
And Assassinations...

Just fair warning you know.

Uh how? Can't by ship, we've basicly blocked anyway in or out of the area, by Air we can intercept.

Oh and expect terrorist attacks in your nation soon. :D
And Commerce Raiding...
And Assassinations...

Just fair warning you know.

By ship yes, if you attack my merchant fleet then I will be very angry.

Clandonia, you're going to have to expect to get hit, whether its' on purpose or not. There's a big battle raging in the entrance and if you can manage to fit through you'll be hit by stray missiles and such.

Just pointing out

Clandonia, you're going to have to expect to get hit, whether its' on purpose or not. There's a big battle raging in the entrance and if you can manage to fit through you'll be hit by stray missiles and such.

Just pointing out

Yes I know that, I'm just saying that the Crown government will be more sympathetic to the Doomani-Pwnagian forces and likely send support to them.

Clandonia, you're going to have to expect to get hit, whether its' on purpose or not. There's a big battle raging in the entrance and if you can manage to fit through you'll be hit by stray missiles and such.

Just pointing out

I think that's the point.

The trick is getting hit by a WWA member rather than Doom or MP, so Clandonia can declare war and DEPLOI TEH BATTLEFLEETS. <.< >.>

^_^

Of course you don't know that IC'ly and anyone who even tries the slightest to metagame this will be ignored.

^_^

Of course you don't know that IC'ly and anyone who even tries the slightest to metagame this will be ignored.

Well, we could sort of figure it out, because we're a bunch of cynics: "They have ships stupidly close to a warzone.... they buy their guns from doomingsland and their princess is married to a doomie... hmm, I wonder what they could be up to?" But granted, we wouldn't know for sure, and nor would anyone; we would only suspect that, for instance, the ships were run by some ultra-nationalists who wanted to get Clandonia involved despite its lack of definite cause. Or something like that.

As for us, well, while we have stated we're not getting involved, the Republic is in fact mobilising. Too slowly for anyone to notice it, so far, but still mobilising. That way, when I suddenly decide to mobilise really fast, it won't be a huge mess. :P

OOC: You do realize that when a huge naval battle breaks out in the modern world a "Total Exclusion Zone" is almost always set up to keep non-combatants out of the area right?

OOC: You do realize that when a huge naval battle breaks out in the modern world a "Total Exclusion Zone" is almost always set up to keep non-combatants out of the area right?

This in my scale of things is not a 'huge naval battle' and no I've not heard of the use of a total exclusion zone since the Falklands War which was a completely different pretence.

This in my scale of things is not a 'huge naval battle'

The entire strait is filled with Shells and missiles firing back and forth at each other and you don't call that a Naval battle?

no I've not heard of the use of a total exclusion zone since the Falklands War which was a completely different pretence
So that's where I heard it.. Still I doubt people would let some neutral ship go through where it could get hit and cause an international incident.

Most likely your ships would be told to enter at their own risk. My Navy would warn you away if you are listed as neutral shipping. On the down side you could be hit by anything mines, stray missile, stray shell. Whether you think it is a small battle or not there is a lot of ordinance flying around above and below the sea.

Most likely your ships would be told to enter at their own risk. My Navy would warn you away if you are listed as neutral shipping. On the down side you could be hit by anything mines, stray missile, stray shell. Whether you think it is a small battle or not there is a lot of ordinance flying around above and below the sea.
Yeah and if it's YOUR shell that hits they'll demand your nation pay for it.

But if they are this gives me a chance to sneak in as well... Hehehehe

And I again give the warning, do not use OOC information in IC posts.

I think it would be obvious if a group of merchants ships were going through a blockade, that atleast one nation assualting the blockade would atleast board and search your shipping. Logically speaking of course...

Nueve Italia, your radar operators must be pretty bone to think five ships constitutes a fleet...

I always thought a fleet was just a group of ships ... never thought that it had to be a set number. Anyway, in that context, assume it's a general term, not a military term.

Sorry for the lack of posting everyone. I have been insanely busy over the last few days. I will reply to everything, if not tonight, then tomorrow. Thanks for understanding.

Sorry for the lack of posting everyone. I have been insanely busy over the last few days. I will reply to everything, if not tonight, then tomorrow. Thanks for understanding.


I am in the same boat as Jarridia. I should be able to post Monday.

^_^

Of course you don't know that IC'ly and anyone who even tries the slightest to metagame this will be ignored.

Actually, I could figure it out very easily because of something my men know ICly, but I won't.

Clandonia if you are a known Allie of Doomingsland we are at the very least going to give you a close and suspicious look

MP if things are still busy for you just let us know and we can slow things down until you can get unburied.

Clandonia if you are a known Allie of Doomingsland we are at the very least going to give you a close and suspicious look

MP if things are still busy for you just let us know and we can slow things down until you can get unburied.

I'm not openly an ally of Doom.

I'm not openly an ally of Doom.
Then that will change my response. You will be given a warrning and be told to stay out of visuial range of our ships. This should prevent any stray fire from comming your way.

Hold on a second...I don't think being an open ally of a nation constitutes whether or not a ship would get searched in a warzone. And furthermore, I really do not think there is much room for even 5 ships to make it through. Its not as if I will stop shelling to let shipping through a strait that is small enough to see across.

Here is a quick question for Clandonia. What any sane ships captain would try to pass through the Straits of Gibraltar while a battle is going on? If your convoy waited a day or two one side or the other would have control of the straits and you could pass through safley. You are more likely at this point to be hit by stray fire from MP then by us only because we know you are there.
MPs ships may think your an allied group of ships trying to break through the blockade and attack you.

We will have to slow things down a little to let MP respond. Thanks MP for explaining that you had a lot of real world stuff going on. That really lowered my frustration level. So when you can please post then as per your actions I will post my losses from my air strike.

I would likely slip through quickly at night and with such few numbers I doubt we would be detected.

I would likely slip through quickly at night and with such few numbers I doubt we would be detected. Hey CP since you are detected right now, my missile boats ARE going to go and investigate, though they aren't allowed to board without each ship's permission.

Hey CP since you are detected right now, my missile boats ARE going to go and investigate, though they aren't allowed to board without each ship's permission.

Thats fine.

I would likely slip through quickly at night and with such few numbers I doubt we would be detected.

*facepalm*

No offense but... do you know how wide the Strait of Gibraltar is? Not to mention, it's surrounded by massive (thousands+ ships) fleets on either side, and slipping through a fleet is kind of difficult with even so little as an inflatable dinghy. Anyway, it's not like everyone will disengage and go home as soon as the sun goes down. (You could conceivably get by through broadcasting a message to all combatants stating "We, a civilian party, wish to pass through this strait. Your little tiff is impeding our way. Move aside for us or we'll... uh... challenge you to a game of table tennis.", although I'm not sure how well that would work.)

Well Clandonia here's to the foot you shot.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to ignore you TLA, a) because I've been told about your reputation b). because I really wanted to RP with someone who puts more effort into their posts. And c) because you just showed up out of the middle of nowhere.

And about Gibraltar, if we are using RL then I don't think any of the ships would be able to get through as the water isn't that deep. I think you would need to NS'fy it to make ship movement viable.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to ignore you TLA, a) because I've been told about your reputation b). because I really wanted to RP with someone who puts more effort into their posts. And c) because you just showed up out of the middle of nowhere.

You had no problem accepting it when I said I was going to investigate but now that you're facing destruction you whine.

A) What Rep?
Wait the rep that I refuse to write a page talking about two sailors complaining about their wives or something?

b). It's 6 am where I live, with NO sleep and a HUGE deadline coming up.
Insomia leads to bad posts. I'll write up a better one Thursday.

c)Despite the fact that I've been posting over and over again on how I keep getting closer and closer. :rolleyes:

You can Ignore me but I'll you're declaration isn't ignorable, you just declared war on us. One way or another you're going down. :p
And about Gibraltar, if we are using RL then I don't think any of the ships would be able to get through as the water isn't that deep. I think you would need to NS'fy it to make ship movement viable. Tell that to the hundreds of ships that cross it daily in RL.

You had no problem accepting it when I said I was going to investigate but now that you're facing destruction you whine.

A) What Rep?
Wait the rep that I refuse to write a page talking about two sailors complaining about their wives or something?

b). It's 6 am where I live, with NO sleep and a HUGE deadline coming up.
Insomia leads to bad posts. I'll write up a better one Thursday.

c)Despite the fact that I've been posting over and over again on how I keep getting closer and closer. :rolleyes:

You can Ignore me but I'll you're declaration isn't ignorable, you just declared war on us. One way or another you're going down. :p
Tell that to the hundreds of ships that cross it daily in RL.

Sorry about that I retract what I say, was feeling a bit stressed due to exams.

I apologise.

Sorry about that I retract what I say, was feeling a bit stressed due to exams.

I apologise.

Same here!!

Today is the day everything is due for me. I barely had time to post that.

I apologise as well.

May I join?

May I join?



It's probably OK if you join, but TG ViZion and/or Jarridia to double-check.

Theoroshia, you don't know that those ships are carrying weapons.

Freighters trying to run through a heavy combat area with a navy escort would not be carrying DVDs and sneakers. Seeing you are an ally of Doomingsland my basic assumption is you are aether carrying war material or troops for Doomingsland. If you had waited until the battle was over or openly claimed the cargo was going to a neutral nation then we probably would have given a cursory inspection of your papers and let you on your way.

Theoroshia, you're skipping ahead of everyone with Barcelona, let everyone get a chance to respond to the attacks that have already happened.

I would suggest holding on until MP and Jarridia can get back. The only problem this is going to cause is that everyone else may get impatient or we might lose people to other RPs. I hope it will not be too much longer because there are some other things I want to do.
The only thing I would say to keep going on is the convoy attack because that seems to be independent of the major fleet action. I will leave that up to you guys.

I would suggest holding on until MP and Jarridia can get back. The only problem this is going to cause is that everyone else may get impatient or we might lose people to other RPs. I hope it will not be too much longer.
The only thing I would say to keep going on is the convoy attack because that seems to be independent of the major fleet action. I will leave that up to you guys.

What have you attacked me?

I was under the impression that Lone Alliance has launched aircraft. I am sending a mixed squadron and two ships to aid in the interception of your convoy. If I have misunderstood this fact sorry and I will retract the post.

I was under the impression that Lone Alliance has launched aircraft. I am sending a mixed squadron and two ships to aid in the interception of your convoy. If I have misunderstood this fact sorry and I will retract the post.

Yes he launched an attack, if your just moving forces to intercept then thats fine.

I plan to intercept as long as we are not fired upon. As soon as the bullets start flying things may change. Dayron's main goal is to see that a bad incident does not turn ugly.

Freighters trying to run through a heavy combat area with a navy escort would not be carrying DVDs and sneakers. Seeing you are an ally of Doomingsland my basic assumption is you are aether carrying war material or troops for Doomingsland. If you had waited until the battle was over or openly claimed the cargo was going to a neutral nation then we probably would have given a cursory inspection of your papers and let you on your way.

And if he hadn't made a huge IC post saying on how he places his full support on Doomingsland, that our invasion is illegal, and that he's willing to help out anyway he can.

Firstly I checked the areas around the strait, it is not too deep there. 2ndly, How did your ships sink by themselves? One transport is to be deliberatly missed. I can now claim that they Knew there was forbidden cargo on them.

Despite your IC secret statements of 'this was your plan all along' it wasn't, if it was your ships would have been empty.

And wtf is a thermochemical grenade and how did they have time to throw them in every single hold when the ships are supposedly sinking? Hmmmm...

Firstly I checked the areas around the strait, it is not too deep there. 2ndly, How did your ships sink by themselves? One transport is to be deliberatly missed. I can now claim that they Knew there was forbidden cargo on them.

Despite your IC secret statements of 'this was your plan all along' it wasn't, if it was your ships would have been empty.

And wtf is a thermochemical grenade and how did they have time to throw them in every single hold when the ships are supposedly sinking? Hmmmm...

The guy before had already launched the attack on all the ships, a thermochemical grenade is a just a device that explodes flammable liquid to set off the ammunition in the containers in a hot, sudden burst.

The guy before had already launched the attack on all the ships, a thermochemical grenade is a just a device that explodes flammable liquid to set off the ammunition in the containers in a hot, sudden burst. Oh, a Napalm like grenade. Those things. Alright. I was kind of confused for a second.

Still the problem is is that it's kind of hard to use them underwater, especially since any breaches would have started in the holds.
But of course the breached holds would look like hell considering it took a torpedo and all. It would take a lot of time to search for something in that, time that you don't really have when fighting a battle.

Oh and Verta is kind of trapped between a Rock and a hard place, he doesn't want to seem like he's against the military, but he doesn't want to see a NBC war between everyone. That and Verta is a master negoiator (He was orginally Minister of International Equality, which lead him to talking with many varied governments, even government that TLA hated.)

This is getting interesting... I thought it'd be a boring considering it's a stalled dogpile.(Since MP is too busy handling RL problems, which is very important, I have no problem with that.)

You still will be able to get to them if you dived deep enough, not all the compartments will be accessible you will have to weld through the containers after an attack they will have become scattered and dented.

After this next week I will be a liberated from exams.

You still will be able to get to them if you dived deep enough, not all the compartments will be accessible you will have to weld through the containers after an attack they will have become scattered and dented.

After this next week I will be a liberated from exams. I sympthize.
It's not a fun thing.

I spent 36 hours awake Wed finishing up my finals project + two final exams +6 assignments for my course.

I'm going be off for a few hours.

Tell me about it.

I've got exams until next wednesday so there will be no posts from me until then. But after that, i'll be free and can get back into this again.

What have you attacked me?

No...I did...

Err a quick question, one of you plans to kill my troops the other plans to capture them how am I supposed to reply to that?

Err a quick question, one of you plans to kill my troops the other plans to capture them how am I supposed to reply to that?
I don't think you can really, it depends on who gets to them first I guess.

But since Tarlag's ships are within sight of the survivors, I think they'll be able to pick most of them up first.

Likely to fight anyone who tries to shoot them in the water...

This could prove for some interesting Role Play between Xeraph and myself.
Xeraphs fighter/bombers should be getting there about the time my whale boats are mid way through picking up the suviors. My question is Clandonia how are your remaining ships going to handle the situation?

Err a quick question, one of you plans to kill my troops the other plans to capture them how am I supposed to reply to that?


Don't worry about it. Tarlag and I will work that out.

Rest assured that any of your survivors that are rescued will have been done so by Tarlag. I'm going to kill the rest.

This could prove for some interesting Role Play between Xeraph and myself.
Xeraphs fighter/bombers should be getting there about the time my whale boats are mid way through picking up the suviors. My question is Clandonia how are your remaining ships going to handle the situation?


CP's ships are at present tied up with my subs, as far as I can see. And my air-cover will keep their aircraft off the backs of the Vipers who are going to strafe the merchant sailors in the water.

Tar, maybe you can be there 1st, so we can coordinate your'e getting a few of the survivors and then high-tailing it out of there before I start the killing spree.

I will post Sun am on that.

CP's ships are at present tied up with my subs, as far as I can see. And my air-cover will keep their aircraft off the backs of the Vipers who are going to strafe the merchant sailors in the water.

Tar, maybe you can be there 1st, so we can coordinate your'e getting a few of the survivors and then high-tailing it out of there before I start the killing spree.


The only problem is that my navy is a very honorable lot. Leaving sailors in the water to be machine gunned would be an unthinkable. I beleive your naval personal would most likely know this having worked with them in the past. So lets play it out and see what happens.

Well I'm back from my holiday now....this has become a bit of a dogpile and it seems ages since I saw a post from the Doom/MP side of things. For the moment I'll keep out of it I think. If it seems to be restarting then I shall come back in, for the meantime I'll just keep a watch on the thread.

We have had to refocus a little seeing both Jarridia and MP are busy ( I hope neither of them have dropped out). Until we know for certain we will be doing the sidebar actions for a while.

Theoroshia, how can you have so many SD's for a nation of such a small size? This missile spamming is becoming rather silly. Not to mention half of the attacks are impossible using the sort of ships people have posted.

Well I'm back from my holiday now....this has become a bit of a dogpile and it seems ages since I saw a post from the Doom/MP side of things. For the moment I'll keep out of it I think. If it seems to be restarting then I shall come back in, for the meantime I'll just keep a watch on the thread.

Actually it looks like Clandonia and Novacom might be entering the war on Doomingland's side.

And I'm planning on an "Operation Paukenschlag" Operation if Clandonia does enter the war. (Look it up)

Cladonia can you explain on here what the HAND cannon is, just so I can make sure I full understand it before it is implemented.

Here's the link to the draftroom article:

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=183

Basically big gun, designed to destroy large ships and used in Clandonia as part of it border defences. Fires very large shells both conventional HE and specialised anti-shipping rounds for puncturing armour.

Alright thank you, I think you already posted it somewhere, so I'm sorry to bother you about it again.

I had been under the impression it was some sort of tesla weapon from your initial post about it. Thanks, that really clears it up.

Doomingland? supercavitating torpedoes have NO steering capablities. Since any movement it could make would break it's gas bubble system, reducing it to a normal torpedo.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/Freebo/Kashmire/HavenMap3.png

Here is a map of Haven, where my homeland is. TLA I don't think you have a chance of even breaching Havens water as the Haven Defence Initiative is very hostile to foreigners coming in with military force.

So basically I advise if you wish to live not to enter our region.

Doomingland? supercavitating torpedoes have NO steering capablities. Since any movement it could make would break it's gas bubble system, reducing it to a normal torpedo.
Um, yes they do, they have supercav torpedoes that are guided.

Theoroshia, how are you getting reinforcements to your fleet in the Med?

And can you elaborate on those mini-missiles a bit more? I wanted to put up losses from them in my last post but I have no clue what they are...(and I also launched a sizable attack on your ships in the Med, altho I'm not sure whether you didn't see it or you're waiting for my losses from your mini-missiles)

EDIT:

And a heads up for everyone, I'm leaving for New York tommorow and I honestly have no idea when I'm gonna be coming back...two weeks at the most, but I might be back by this weekend. So yeah...

And a heads up for everyone, I'm leaving for New York tommorow and I honestly have no idea when I'm gonna be coming back...two weeks at the most, but I might be back by this weekend. So yeah...

ATTENTION

Because of the fact that Doomingsland has informed me he will be leaving for New York and is unsure of his return, I am requesting that we put this thread on hiatus (PAUSE) until he has returned and gotten settled. From my perspective we can't really do anything without him involved. If ya'll could please refrain from positing ICly for the next few days it would be appreciated. We can still hold OOC conversation. After my post this evening ICly I will treat this thread as paused, and will make another OOC statement when it is reopened. Thank you, if you have any questions feel free to ask.

Alright then, hiatus it is. Not like anyone in the Allied fleet can do anything at Gibraltar anyway until MP posts, but it's cool. RL before NS as always.

And, just an aside, are you going to NYC Doom, or somewhere else in the area (I live in NY, j/w)?

Nah, Long Island (I was in NYC the other day, actualy)

Sweet... so I'm stuck at the airport in Denver because, guess what? THEY HAD TO REPLACE A DAMN DOOR ON THE PLANE!!! WTF? Ugg... so it's gonna be 8-8:30 tonight (Denver time) before we depart... we were suppose to depart at 5:40. Hmm...

My father's from Long Island. Well ... Brooklyn, but it's on Long Island, and I was actually born in Staten Island, but I moved to near Albany a couple years ago.

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Replace a door? I'm not even sure if that's funny or not ...

My father's from Long Island. Well ... Brooklyn, but it's on Long Island, and I was actually born in Staten Island, but I moved to near Albany a couple years ago.

wait a minute ...




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Replace a door? I'm not even sure if that's funny or not ...

Yes... door... Me neither... huh.

I'm kinda obligated to laugh though, because that's just too good of an opportunity to pass up ...

I'm sorry man, s'alright. I got delayed flying to Texas once for 5 hours because they were de-icing the plane, and every time they a part and moved to the next, the first part would get iced over again. They did that for five freakin' hours until they just gave up and let Mother Nature do what it wanted, and then all of a sudden it got warmer and the ice melted anyway.

Hey...I'm in NJ. Maybe we should get together for a few hands of poker....Jersey style.......:D

Um, yes they do, they have supercav torpedoes that are guided. Even though you won't be back for awhile, How? Seriously everything I looked up on those sort of torpedoes state that guidance is impossible without a tremendous loss of speed. You can't 'steer' the bubble, it would have to be a very very gradual turn, making it useless.


They're subs, they're not exactly designed to announce their arrival. So unless you tell me they spent several trillion dollars lining the entire area with Sonar bouys as well as blow up every sub that they pick up (Friend or fore) I can do it.
Besides I have trade with a couple of those nations, I doubt TLA military ships are sunk on sight. My alternate plan is simply to flood the straits with sucide subs.

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You guys are lucky...

I'm stuck in redneck land.

I'm kinda obligated to laugh though, because that's just too good of an opportunity to pass up ...

I'm sorry man, s'alright. I got delayed flying to Texas once for 5 hours because they were de-icing the plane, and every time they a part and moved to the next, the first part would get iced over again. They did that for five freakin' hours until they just gave up and let Mother Nature do what it wanted, and then all of a sudden it got warmer and the ice melted anyway.
It's not the delay that bugs me... it's the thought that there's somethin wrong with the door... Bad door + flying high = BAAAAAAD.

Even though you won't be back for awhile, How? Seriously everything I looked up on those sort of torpedoes state that guidance is impossible without a tremendous loss of speed. You can't 'steer' the bubble, it would have to be a very very gradual turn, making it useless.

Well, you clearly weren't looking hard enough. The German Barracuda supercavitating torpedo is guided

It's not the delay that bugs me... it's the thought that there's somethin wrong with the door... Bad door + flying high = BAAAAAAD.

Yea ... yea, good point. Well, take it easy: planes are pretty sturdy things, you'll be fine. Have a nice flight (if you're not on the plane already)!

ATTENTION

Because of the fact that Doomingsland has informed me he will be leaving for New York and is unsure of his return, I am requesting that we put this thread on hiatus (PAUSE) until he has returned and gotten settled. From my perspective we can't really do anything without him involved. If ya'll could please refrain from positing ICly for the next few days it would be appreciated. We can still hold OOC conversation. After my post this evening ICly I will treat this thread as paused, and will make another OOC statement when it is reopened. Thank you, if you have any questions feel free to ask.

So what about me and Novacom plus ZMI coming in and the separate incident in the Med? As far as I can see it Doom isn't needed directly there.

Unfortunately this looks like a bad time for a lot of people. Jarridia has work issues, MP is MIA and now Doomingsland. hopefully when Doomingsland gets back the others will be ready also.
As for the airline problems Doom I hope you made it safe and to the right airport. When I flew last March to Bermuda I got my flight cancelled, got another flight but was sent to the wrong airport by the ticket agent, then had to deal with a ticket agent who spoke little English. Now you wounder why I take the train.

So what about me and Novacom plus ZMI coming in and the separate incident in the Med? As far as I can see it Doom isn't needed directly there.

I am directly related to Doom in this issue. If you are not dealing with this war at hand, please move to another thread to continue your battles. I do not want to deal with reading your separate conflict, since it has nothing to with whats happening between Doom and I in the Mediterranean. As FAR as I am concerned with this war, I'm calling my military, and my involvement on hiatus because MY concern is Doomingsland. From what I understand, you have created something different, please do not clutter my thread. Especially since I don't know how you became involved anyways...seeing as how the thread is Semi-Closed and you needed to seek my approval before coming in...as well as anyone else that wants to join. PEOPLE PLEASE READ DIRECTIONS...I CAN"T STRESS THIS ENOUGH.

I don't know who you are...who Novacom is...or who ZMI is. In my mind, you don't belong here and are there illegitimately, please remove yourself to a new thread.

I am directly related to Doom in this issue. If you are not dealing with this war at hand, please move to another thread to continue your battles. I do not want to deal with reading your separate conflict, since it has nothing to with whats happening between Doom and I in the Mediterranean. As FAR as I am concerned with this war, I'm calling my military, and my involvement on hiatus because MY concern is Doomingsland. From what I understand, you have created something different, please do not clutter my thread. Especially since I don't know how you became involved anyways...seeing as how the thread is Semi-Closed and you needed to seek my approval before coming in...as well as anyone else that wants to join. PEOPLE PLEASE READ DIRECTIONS...I CAN"T STRESS THIS ENOUGH.

I don't know who you are...who Novacom is...or who ZMI is. In my mind, you don't belong here and are there illegitimately, please remove yourself to a new thread.

Doom asked us for support, seeing as he's the defender doesn't he have the right to allow people to enter the thread? I posted in the OOC thread saying I planned to enter, no one had any qualms with this and I presumed this was confirmation.

Seeing as you outnumber Doom and MP I think its only fair that we try and balance numbers and stop trying to stack it.

Yes; however, I am the creator of the thread and I set the rules. I would appreciate if you contacted be directly, as with any others. All of the others did, but neither you, nor Novacom, nor ZMI asked me in any way. For future reference, I'd like it if you contacted me first. That way I can keep a tally of who is where. Thats just courtesy :-). I didn't mean to sound harsh, I just wanted to get my point across to you. Whether Doom invited you or not, I would still appreciate you asking me, I wouldn't deny you unless you have been ignored, or had a history of rule infractions.

You can continue to RP, although I would like if youy all paused until the return of thos in question. If you do proceed any and all attacks on my forces and the forces of those who have chosen to pause with me will be ignored.

I think Clan is referring to the posturing, Mobilisation and build up to an intervention, and the aftermath of the attack on his trade ships, which would and have had consequences, this would merely be a bit of realism and space opposed to simply materialising a fleet out of nowhere and slamming it against the attacking fleets, a situation which I think nobody would want appreciate or find realistic, this is after all not FT where things literally teleport around, and while it may appear to not be related, but it's fairly obvious that things are headed that way anyway so we may at least make it look good before things get messy in the nitty gritty of combat, and since there is a lull it's better to get that out of the way now instead of it being spread out through the middle of the struggle for gibraltar and ruining the flow of things.

Doom did ask the three of us to help, I apologise if we didn't contact you, i don't know about the others but I'd meant to read through the thread and had it slipped my mind to TG you, and I do apologise on behalf of the three of us it's understandable to be so protective, especially after all, this far in you wouldn't want this to degenerate into a "me too" fight.

I will agree with Jarridia on this we have to pause until the three of them can post or they officially drop out. Clandonia and the other fleets would not arrive until weeks after the Gibaraltar battle is over to be realistic. The down side of this is that we can not continue that battle until MP comes back and posts. The problem is by the time they are back it will probably be a bad time for one of the other posters.

The problem is by the time they are back it will probably be a bad time for one of the other posters.

Or the other way around... I just finished my exams today and am now on holidys so free to post whenever for a few weeks.

I'm practically free now and will be fully free by the weekend.

Whats Project Cybarium?

Whats Project Cybarium?

I'm currently not releasing that information OOCly, or ICly. Just something I've been working on, and I just want to throw it out there and use this lull time as a launching pad so that I can eventually start a thread of press releases. It will be kind of shocking...and maybe a little funny...but we'll see. You will know soon enough, I promise.

In addition to that, since I just read ViZion's post. His portion of Project Cybarium is completely different than mine....not 100% sure why he used my Project name....but ok. They do have some affiliaton, but really not that much in common.

I'm currently not releasing that information OOCly, or ICly. Just something I've been working on, and I just want to throw it out there and use this lull time as a launching pad so that I can eventually start a thread of press releases. It will be kind of shocking...and maybe a little funny...but we'll see. You will know soon enough, I promise.

Are you posting it on the draftroom?

Are you posting it on the draftroom?

Mmmm, probably. If you're interested I'll get you a link as soon as its up and running.

Are you posting it on the draftroom?

If they are keeping their projects secret probably not.

If they are keeping their projects secret probably not.

The draftroom is completely OOC, the purpose if critique and aiding of design. I've show my HAND cannon here which is a classified project because of the power and ranges involved.

In the past when I have created things, I usually leave it classified for a bit, then release it to the world via II. Thats what I did for the Jarridian LoneStar Missiles, the JVNDS, the Smithso-Jarridian Defense Initiative, and the ongoing Jarridian World Telepathic System...I think there are a few others...but I can't remember them right now.

In addition to that, since I just read ViZion's post. His portion of Project Cybarium is completely different than mine....not 100% sure why he used my Project name....but ok. They do have some affiliaton, but really not that much in common.
Ya, I just liked its name, and since they're somewhat related.. I decided to use it. :-D lol

And per Jarridia's request, changed my project's name. They are samewhat related, but not the same.

Theoroshia, threads paused now, just letting you know that and a few questions here that need asking so I thought I would give the OOC thread a bump.

Uh Theoroshia, the seige isn't over.
The Barcelona port is completely surrounded by Doomingland ships.

There won't be any transports and there is no time for repairs.

Uh Theoroshia, the seige isn't over.
The Barcelona port is completely surrounded by Doomingland ships.

There won't be any transports and there is no time for repairs.


I'm wondering how ships fom Doom are surrounding ANYTHING as it seems that AMF has all but destroyed Doom's navy. And as matter of fact are about to invade Doom and finish the job.

If there ARE any Doom naval units left, surely we of the Coalition have way more than enough to put a stop to any paltry presence Doom may have around Barcelona...........or anywhere else for that matter.

My thoughts are these: finish off any Doomani presence in the Atlantic/MedSea/Gibralter theaters and let AMF finish them off in their own territory. Our concerns should be focussed on MP and the few allies he has managed to secure.

I'm wondering how ships fom Doom are surrounding ANYTHING as it seems that AMF has all but destroyed Doom's navy. And as matter of fact are about to invade Doom and finish the job.

If there ARE any Doom naval units left, surely we of the Coalition have way more than enough to put a stop to any paltry presence Doom may have around Barcelona...........or anywhere else for that matter.

My thoughts are these: finish off any Doomani presence in the Atlantic/MedSea/Gibralter theaters and let AMF finish them off in their own territory. Our concerns should be focussed on MP and the few allies he has managed to secure.

This is Dooms Mediterranean fleet and no one has successfully managed to invade Doom in the past, AMF really ain't doing a lot.

From what I have read on other threads AMF is still going after Doom. AMF himself is probably having the same problem a lot of us are having little time to post. I will disagree with Xeraph, it was Dooms home fleet that got hit not his Med. Fleet I would say he still has any assets he has in the Med. but would not bring in reinforcements from home. He may want to move his fleet out of the Med. to help in his home defenses. As for MP and his allies why have they not come to Dooms aid back home?
I might of missed this but did MP and some of the others say when they would be posting again?

I've asked, about a week ago if he was considering moving out of the Med to better secure his homeland, and he told me no. So thats that. As far as MP is concerned, I have a feeling he won't ever be back, so we may have better luck continuing this without him. Don't know how we would go about doing that, but its probably the wisest idea if we want to keep this alive.

No one is going to the aid of Doom RP wise because its a closed RP....only AMF and Doom....an RP that could go down in history....both are excellent writers.

I've asked, about a week ago if he was considering moving out of the Med to better secure his homeland, and he told me no. So thats that. As far as MP is concerned, I have a feeling he won't ever be back, so we may have better luck continuing this without him. Don't know how we would go about doing that, but its probably the wisest idea if we want to keep this alive.

No one is going to the aid of Doom RP wise because its a closed RP....only AMF and Doom....an RP that could go down in history....both are excellent writers.

I want to see the Domm VS. AMF fight seeing two NS heavy weights going at it is always interesting. As for MP if he is not coming back we just post realistic losses and say his assets were aether destroyed of left the area of conflict. When Doom can post again we should unfreeze the thread and go from there.

If I see MP on IRC I will have a word with him about his intentions.

How can he be attacking my transports in the Med when he hasn't even said anything about my attacks on his Med fleet? I launched unguided AND cruise missiles at him, a huge wave, and he ignored them. He's done that TWICE now. Twice.

Oh, Lone Alliance, I'm not in Barcelona. I'm about 5 miles back or so, providing a rear exit for the forces defending Barcelona. And it's not like he's targeting my units when his units are under attack. That makes no sense.

How can he be attacking my transports in the Med when he hasn't even said anything about my attacks on his Med fleet? I launched unguided AND cruise missiles at him, a huge wave, and he ignored them. He's done that TWICE now. Twice.

He asked you questions about those mini missiles and how you can have ten super dreadnoughts when your a May 07 nation.

So if we destroy Doom's fleet here, their navy is finished? So in a way we ARE helping AMF in this war, by forcing Doom to divide his forces.

So is this a World War now?

Technically it could be a 'Word War' from looking at the vast numbers of nations that have ordered mobilisation. And its ironical to think that by helping AMF who is practically Doom in another skin in terms of human rights violations and the such.

The Whyatican Empire is already engaged in fighting on Doom's side, it's only natural that we'd help out our blood brothers in this front. I want in.

God choosing between AMF and Doom, human rights wise my nation may have a problem. On an OCC level it is great to see them go at it and to even have a small part in directing the story (Yes I know that the AMF invasion is closed).
On the World War end of it, it will soon be turning into a WW ?. Questors and his allies are mobilizing to attack AMFs home land. AMF has invaded Doom and we are fighting in the Med. If that is not a world war I don't know what is.
As I said I don't like being indirectly on AMFs side because my nation has always portrayed him as the bad guy, but war makes strange bed fellows.

"He asked you questions about those mini missiles and how you can have ten super dreadnoughts when your a May 07 nation."

Super dreadnoughts were given to me by Osteia as a sign of good will, and frankly I have WWA economies behind me. I can always buy, or lease, from them.

Also, those "mini" missiles are unguided missiles that carry lighter loads than regular missiles. However, it allows more of them to be loaded onto a ship. I never saw that he asked me about them.

EDIT: My bad. I haven't been checking the OOC thread, so I didn't see his post.

"Theoroshia, how are you getting reinforcements to your fleet in the Med?

And can you elaborate on those mini-missiles a bit more? I wanted to put up losses from them in my last post but I have no clue what they are...(and I also launched a sizable attack on your ships in the Med, altho I'm not sure whether you didn't see it or you're waiting for my losses from your mini-missiles)"

I'm getting reinforcements through land and sea routes. I'm waiting for you to attack my sea transports, but you haven't yet. Also, my answer to the "mini missiles" is up a bit in this post. Sorry =|

Is there a map?

"He asked you questions about those mini missiles and how you can have ten super dreadnoughts when your a May 07 nation."

Super dreadnoughts were given to me by Osteia as a sign of good will, and frankly I have WWA economies behind me. I can always buy, or lease, from them.

Also, those "mini" missiles are unguided missiles that carry lighter loads than regular missiles. However, it allows more of them to be loaded onto a ship. I never saw that he asked me about them.

Ten SD's is an huge amount for such a small navy, there are many articles around that highlight the logistical, berthing problems for these. Having thousands of sailors on a ship with a huge draught means harbours and waterways have to be deep dredged. It takes a huge logistical operation to keep them at sea, I don't even have ten SD's and I've got a huge navy because of my powerful economy.

I think Doom wanted to some specs on the mini missiles as by the sounds of it along with the Katushas you fired they wont do a lot to those ships even if they have the range to reach them.

My ships aren't like others. My SD's can be compared to a regular battleship, and the reason is because the logistics for such a large ship would suck. Also, my Navy only calls them SD's because they're way better than our own battleships, so that's what we called them. In reality, my SD's can be compared to regular battleships.

My mini missiles are small high explosive rounds that are fired from a "box launcher". Each box launcher can hold 400 or 200 of these missiles. Since they're relatively small, a ship can hold anywhere between 8-12 of them.

My ships aren't like others. My SD's can be compared to a regular battleship, and the reason is because the logistics for such a large ship would suck. Also, my Navy only calls them SD's because they're way better than our own battleships, so that's what we called them. In reality, my SD's can be compared to regular battleships.

My mini missiles are small high explosive rounds that are fired from a "box launcher". Each box launcher can hold 400 or 200 of these missiles. Since they're relatively small, a ship can hold anywhere between 8-12 of them.

Ah right, my definition of an SD is 800m +.

:O

Wow, that's huge! Mine is somewhere around the 500-600 mark. Probably a little less. All of my ships are smaller. It's more cost effective.

I know it's paused, just alerting that I'm moving in more forces

Just for clarity later on, in other threads that is, you should refer to ships in that range as battleships. I understand where you are coming from, but having to explain them everytime is not really time effective. Or, you can offer them for sale, and leave a link in your sig. Just a few words of advice...although, I seem to not follow them...anymore.

Sorry about that. It's just that I'm so used to calling them SD's that I forgot to tell you the difference. My bad all.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12800142#post12800142

I'm at war with TLA and Tarlaq now which is understandable.

I'm not gonna get involved. Frankly, they had no business attacking you.

Alright, I fixed my "Mobilization List". Just for reference, it's below.

Forces

Army

1st Ground Division
In action: Barcelona, Operation Allied Backbone
Defending Barcelonian retreat lanes

-2,000 infantry (AK-74's, etcetera)
-800 T-90 main battle tanks (125 mm smooth bore gun)
-400 T-80 main battle tanks (equipped with thermal sights, 125 mm smooth bore gun)
-300 T-7 "Centaur" light reconnaissance vehicles (80mm gun)
-1,000 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles (100mm semi-automatic gun/missile launcher)
-900 ZSU-23 anti-aircraft tracked vehicles (4 23 mm auto cannons)
-600 SA-11 SAMs
-600 2S31 "Vena" mobile self propelled howitzer (120mm gun)
-300 Kayusha rockets
-800 various light mortars
-1,400 various supply vehicles

83rd Artillery Battalion
In action: Eastern Theoroshian Seashore, Operation Homeland Defense
Defending Eastern Theoroshia

-200 T-80s (125mm smooth bore gun)
-300 T-7 "Centaur" light reconnaissance vehicles (80mm)
-500 ZSU-23 anti-aircraft tracked vehicles (4 23 mm auto cannons)
-250 SA-11 SAMs
-600 2S31 "Vena" mobile self propelled howitzer (120mm gun)
-1,100 various light mortars
-1,200 various supply vehicles

Navy

1st Naval Fleet
In action: Barcelona, Operation Redemption
Fighting in Strait of Gibraltar

-8 Aegis class command battleships
-18 Krivak class ASW frigates
-16 Korov class battlecruisers
-22 Dunkerque class light guided missile cruisers
-16 Ural class heavy guided missile cruisers
-6 Premier class aircraft carriers
-2 Kruschev class super aircraft carriers
-14 Tiger class diesel submarines
-4 Ivan class nuclear submarines
-20 medical and supply ships

2nd Naval Fleet
In action: Eastern Theoroshian Sea shore, Operation Homeland Defense
Setting mines
-15 Yurov class minelayers
-10 Dunkerque class light guided missile cruisers
-6 Korov class battlecruisers
-2 Premier class aircraft carriers
-8 Tiger class diesel submarines
-12 medical and supply ships

I will post mine later, I'm surprised no one replied to my thread?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12800142#post12800142

*"Hell March" mp3 is playing*
So be it,

I rescue you people and you declare war on me. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Clandonia I have no real interest in fighting you at the moment. I had planned on getting involved in the Generic Empire VS Doomingland seeing this thread is in slow motion.

You will have to wait for Doom to come back for that one, it will kick off when he returns...

How many wars is Doomingsland fighting? He can only have so many resources to fund those wars.

How many wars is Doomingsland fighting? He can only have so many resources to fund those wars.

Oh he will have plenty to fight because of his size.

Update:

MP is pulling out due to restraints on his university work, I think its fair to say that the anti-Doom fleet would have lost at least half of their vessels in trying to take Gibraltar and they would be severely impaired with the blockage of wrecks and partially sunk warships.

Update:

MP is pulling out due to restraints on his university work, I think its fair to say that the anti-Doom fleet would have lost at least half of their vessels in trying to take Gibraltar and they would be severely impaired with the blockage of wrecks and partially sunk warships.
There is no way I can agree with that.

With the amount of Firepower everyone was tossing at him there is no way he could have sunk half of EVERYONE's Fleet. (Sure the first guys must be down to 20% of their fleet left but the rest of us...)
And now basicly you're saying "Ha Ha can't get Doom now only entrance is blocked!!!"

No.

Err the entrance would be fairly obstructed with the amount of sunken wreckage that would tear your hull open and with the amount of unexploded ordinance in the water then its highly volatile. Not to mention all the leaking nuclear reactors, you won't be able to just plough through.

I'm not saying he would of sunk everyones fleet I'm just saying you would of taken heavy losses with the amount of ASM's he was firing which are of superior design to your RL ones.

No, I'm sorry but if its not rped you cannot consider it as being legitimate. I won't make my fleet 20% of its size because someone decided to pull out, that is asinine.

We need all of us to talk this over, in particular the creators of this thread and decide the appropriate numbers. A conservative number is best in a situation like this because its not fair to the nations who choose to intervene, and lose mass amounts of ships on the whim of a nation who cannot continue the battle.

Furthermore, it might be true that the first group would take substantial damage...I am more than content with that, I did move my fleet to the front. However, once the blockade is broken I wouldn't order my fleet over a mass of wrecked iron and steel without the appropriate work of removing the damaged material. If someone else did that, that would be their problem indicated in the rp. And would have to be taken care of in the thread, not in an OCC about the thread. Assuming he withdraws and leaves behind the wrecks, the allied fleets would still have to rp crossing through the Strait, so for that reason we cannot assume that the first few fleets lose or are damaged at such a high rate, as it can still be rped.

I think we should see what Doom's view is seeing as he is the defender, it would take you a while to move the wrecks allowing the allied fleet to cross the Atlantic.

Either way you make it past the Strait and you now enter gunnery and missile range.

My MedSea fleet, six CBGs, about 150 vessals, was one of the initial assaults on the MP/Doom fleet. I lost 86 vessals sunk/damaged/dead in the water. About 28,000 naval personnel kia/wia/mia. Of the 1800-odd aircraft off the carriers, 1350 survived intact. No casualties on bases in Cyprus.

Atlantic/Gibralter fleets not tallied as yet due to lull in action, but it's not anywhere near, percentage-wise, the beating I took in the MedSea.

As of right now, I'm a little unclear as to where and how much Doom has in the Atl/MedSea, including land troops in Europe and Africa, if any.

This confusion will be adressed before we post IC'ly again, once Doom returns with exams now over and the holidays upon us I and assume everyone will have more time.

I have 60 ships there, lost about 45 initially. So I can understand that we have to plow through and tow away wrecks and whatnot, but still, some of the other fleets that just arrived shouldn't take those losses.

Update:

MP is pulling out due to restraints on his university work, I think its fair to say that the anti-Doom fleet would have lost at least half of their vessels in trying to take Gibraltar and they would be severely impaired with the blockage of wrecks and partially sunk warships.

I disagree totaly the depth of water is between 300 and 900 meters
so it is way to deep to be blocked by wreckage. As for the losses I would estamate between 10% to 25% depending on the fleet. What I consider the problem is that MP refused to post losses (What happened with Xeraph)
The orginal concept was modern tech so that is what we brought. If I had known from the start that some PTM was to be used then the tech gap we had with MP never would have happened. So I am sorry if you want massive losses from MPs attacks which he never RPed out you are not getting them from me. Nothing aginst anyone on this but that is the way I am seeing it.

I agree with Tarlag. If MP is pulling out, then our losses shouldn't be increased.

I'm not saying he would of sunk everyones fleet I'm just saying you would of taken heavy losses with the amount of ASM's he was firing which are of superior design to your RL ones.

Considering that most people didn't state what ASMs they were firing how do you know they are RL ones in which MPs was superior?

It could be some previously in RPed Missile that is better than MPs.

Just to make things clear I have nothing against MP. A huge load at school can make a bear out of anyone. As soon as Doom gets back I would realy like to get going on this. I am going away the second week of July and I would hate to miss the good parts of this war.

I think half of all fleets is a little much to be asking, considering both the amount of ships they had as well as the fact that some where there longer and some were absorbing more damage.

Some fleets may have taken only 5% damages, while some may have taken 90%. Overall, I think an overall lost of 50% is too much, however, something like 10% might be too small.

Just one of my two cents.

Your going to have to take SOME losses as its totally unfair on Doom as he did RP several attacks, 50% may be too high but 10% is too low I think at least 30% must of been sunk and quite a few ships damaged.

And you will have to resupply, refuel get new sailors so don't expect to just rush off to Doom 5 minutes after the battle.

Your going to have to take SOME losses as its totally unfair on Doom as he did RP several attacks, 50% may be too high but 10% is too low I think at least 30% must of been sunk and quite a few ships damaged.

I think your being far to generalised about this. You can't just pick an arbitrary percentage and want it to apply to everyone. Each of the allied nations will need to dictate their own losses depending on their fleet’s circumstances and what they feel is fair. Tis free form RP after all.

And you will have to resupply, refuel get new sailors so don't expect to just rush off to Doom 5 minutes after the battle.

This is what supply ships are for. I’d hope my allies were clever enough to bring some along…

As for losses my surface ships never got into the fight and MP never attacked me. My naval air arm and my heavy bomber force on the other hand did take losses. I am figuring 20% on the naval air arm and 30% on the bomber force. My fleet is moving back to rearm because I did do have the capability to refuel and rearm at sea.

Back...lemme get over this hangover and then I'll continue posting...

I hope you folks don't mind, but I'm going to assume command of MP's forces in-theater. Cleared this with him over IRC.

I hope you folks don't mind, but I'm going to assume command of MP's forces in-theater. Cleared this with him over IRC.

You need to clear it with Jarridia/ViZion. Several nations, including myself, tried this over the years and we always caught so much shit about it that it ruined the thread. Plus I think the Mods might have something to say about it.
As far as I'm concerned................whatever.

Oh and the invasion is just against TLA, Tarlaq is not a target to my knowledge, just clearing this up now, as my stance on this is sinking Neutral shipping not far from my territory is unacceptable, which is a viewpoint which would be shared if say a Merchant ship owned by a neutral nation that favoured say Xeraph was sunk near your waters you would be up in arms as well.

My ships aren't like others. My SD's can be compared to a regular battleship, and the reason is because the logistics for such a large ship would suck. Also, my Navy only calls them SD's because they're way better than our own battleships, so that's what we called them. In reality, my SD's can be compared to regular battleships.

My mini missiles are small high explosive rounds that are fired from a "box launcher". Each box launcher can hold 400 or 200 of these missiles. Since they're relatively small, a ship can hold anywhere between 8-12 of them.
What kind of range do they get? If they're so small I highly doubt my fleet will be in range of them.

Seeing as it was made earlier on how much this is 2020 MT isn't Xeraph cloning a 12 million strong army a little far-fetched as cloning on that level is FT.

Seeing as it was made earlier on how much this is 2020 MT isn't Xeraph cloning a 12 million strong army a little far-fetched as cloning on that level is FT.


I didn't clone them....Mandalore prime did. I purchased them.

So, at what level does cloning approach MT?

I'd say when you clone and still have to grow them over several years to adult size and intelligence. Cloning an adult and imprinting someone's memories on it is going to take several years unless you're deep PMT at least.

Kraven's a big cloner, but he RP's in the 2050's. He knows a lot of cloning when you can catch him online or look at some of his older posts.