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Riiiight... because what we say OOC never impacts on what we say IC... but even though you just said that it did.

I said say what you say OOC doesn’t mess with IC action. Your OOC behavior with another player does impact on your IC actions.

I have tired to talk some sense in y’all. I even offer for anybody to add to my treaty as it s the only one that will matter. It is the one that was so-called broken. *rolls eyes*

Hey guys, calm down. This is beggining to be a pissing contest. Take a break, Trans, you could use it. All of you could use a break. Take some time off, and come back later. But right now yall are just being dicks. (sorry mods)

Well, that's 2 people now...so it's a benefit of the doubt thing now. And as for evidence...meh. It's cool. If there's more than one of you saying it, and to be fair, Hat admitted to saying it, then I'll take it.

Won't affect me ICly though...seeing as unless he makes that move IC, I'm not supposed to know.

Me neither, but at least now I'm justified for leaving the DC. Woot. *sighs*
Someone make this pain go away..

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I'd like to clear some stuff up here.

1.) Haven is not an alliance. Its not even a group of affiliated states. Its a region. Nobody except perhaps the delegate can speak ICly for the region of Haven. If you move a foreign fleet into Haven it will be promptly sunk because we like to keep things internal, yet Haven doesn't flex any united power and it is not a group of affiliated states with one single belief. Learn that, its very important.

2.) Gataway likes to accuse Haven, and its people, of arrogance. I find this really quite amusing. Powerful states reserve the right to be arrogant, look at the USA and Israel, or the USSR when it was around. If Iran pissed undeservedly the USA off I'd have no reason to believe the USA wouldn't lay the smackdown on them for being the belligerent little wankstains that they are. This is what states that are strong do - they defend their national interests and security. Continue to accuse me of warmongering, arrogance, belligerence, because it doesn't actually affect me, ICly although it is a bit irritating, yet hilarious, OOCly.

OOCly, I think arrogance is a virtue. By calling Haven, or me, arrogant, is a compliment. Thank you. I would compliment you back but I don't really want to. Actually, on second thought, I think I will compliment you, because you (you being the Hataria supporters) are being arrogant too.

Dictionary.com defines arrogance as "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride."

By claiming that the DC actually matters in international politics and mantaining some kind of facade of power, you too are being arrogant, because it would be quite easy for any of the real NS superpowers to crush the DC under its fist, unless Translyvania doesn't ignore them for no good reason like he did Automagfreek and Doomingsland.

3.) For all your cries of WARMONGERING and BELLIGERENCE from the side of Blub, you lose. Blub is warmongering. Who cares? He doesn't. Noone supporting him does. Accusing us of warmongering is simply pointless. Do you think the USA called Japan warmongerers in 1941? Yes, of course they did. Did that suddenly make the populace of America any more hostile towards the Japanese? Not a jot. Did it make the Japanese turn around and say "actually, we will come to American terms on the negotiation board." No, it didn't.

I'd like to clear some stuff up here.

1.) Haven is not an alliance. Its not even a group of affiliated states. Its a region. Nobody except perhaps the delegate can speak ICly for the region of Haven. If you move a foreign fleet into Haven it will be promptly sunk because we like to keep things internal, yet Haven doesn't flex any united power and it is not a group of affiliated states with one single belief. Learn that, its very important.

2.) Gataway likes to accuse Haven, and its people, of arrogance. I find this really quite amusing. Powerful states reserve the right to be arrogant, look at the USA and Israel, or the USSR when it was around. If Iran pissed undeservedly the USA off I'd have no reason to believe the USA wouldn't lay the smackdown on them for being the belligerent little wankstains that they are. This is what states that are strong do - they defend their national interests and security. Continue to accuse me of warmongering, arrogance, belligerence, because it doesn't actually affect me, ICly although it is a bit irritating, yet hilarious, OOCly.

OOCly, I think arrogance is a virtue. By calling Haven, or me, arrogant, is a compliment. Thank you. I would compliment you back but I don't really want to. Actually, on second thought, I think I will compliment you, because you (you being the Hataria supporters) are being arrogant too.

Dictionary.com defines arrogance as "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride."

By claiming that the DC actually matters in international politics and mantaining some kind of facade of power, you too are being arrogant, because it would be quite easy for any of the real NS superpowers to crush the DC under its fist, unless Translyvania doesn't ignore them for no good reason like he did Automagfreek and Doomingsland.

3.) For all your cries of WARMONGERING and BELLIGERENCE from the side of Blub, you lose. Blub is warmongering. Who cares? He doesn't. Noone supporting him does. Accusing us of warmongering is simply pointless. Do you think the USA called Japan warmongerers in 1941? Yes, of course they did. Did that suddenly make the populace of America any more hostile towards the Japanese? Not a jot. Did it make the Japanese turn around and say "actually, we will come to American terms on the negotiation board." No, it didn't.

IC'ly I'm not on your side, but OOC'ly that stuff you typed makes a whole lot of sense. Why shouldn't superpowers of the world get the chance to be bullies, but they have to act nice every so often or everyone and I mean everyone starts to hate them. *Cough America Cough*

Just for a note, I'm not flaming America because I'm an American (and pround of it!), I'm just stating a fact. Come on... We all know it's true no matter how much it hurts. :(

IC'ly I'm not on your side, but OOC'ly that stuff you typed makes a whole lot of sense. Why shouldn't superpowers of the world get the chance to be bullies, but they have to act nice every so often or everyone and I mean everyone starts to hate them. *Cough America Cough*

Just for a note, I'm not flaming America because I'm an American (and pround of it!), I'm just stating a fact. Come on... We all know it's true no matter how much it hurts. :(

speak for yourself.

I'd like to clear some stuff up here.

1.) Haven is not an alliance. Its not even a group of affiliated states. Its a region. Nobody except perhaps the delegate can speak ICly for the region of Haven. If you move a foreign fleet into Haven it will be promptly sunk because we like to keep things internal, yet Haven doesn't flex any united power and it is not a group of affiliated states with one single belief. Learn that, its very important.

2.) Gataway likes to accuse Haven, and its people, of arrogance. I find this really quite amusing. Powerful states reserve the right to be arrogant, look at the USA and Israel, or the USSR when it was around. If Iran pissed undeservedly the USA off I'd have no reason to believe the USA wouldn't lay the smackdown on them for being the belligerent little wankstains that they are. This is what states that are strong do - they defend their national interests and security. Continue to accuse me of warmongering, arrogance, belligerence, because it doesn't actually affect me, ICly although it is a bit irritating, yet hilarious, OOCly.

OOCly, I think arrogance is a virtue. By calling Haven, or me, arrogant, is a compliment. Thank you. I would compliment you back but I don't really want to. Actually, on second thought, I think I will compliment you, because you (you being the Hataria supporters) are being arrogant too.

Dictionary.com defines arrogance as "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride."

By claiming that the DC actually matters in international politics and mantaining some kind of facade of power, you too are being arrogant, because it would be quite easy for any of the real NS superpowers to crush the DC under its fist, unless Translyvania doesn't ignore them for no good reason like he did Automagfreek and Doomingsland.

3.) For all your cries of WARMONGERING and BELLIGERENCE from the side of Blub, you lose. Blub is warmongering. Who cares? He doesn't. Noone supporting him does. Accusing us of warmongering is simply pointless. Do you think the USA called Japan warmongerers in 1941? Yes, of course they did. Did that suddenly make the populace of America any more hostile towards the Japanese? Not a jot. Did it make the Japanese turn around and say "actually, we will come to American terms on the negotiation board." No, it didn't.

I'm not calling Blub a warmonger, I'm calling him a hypocrite...

Yes, wonder why I didn't put that in there? Could it have been because I didn't disagree?

Just out of curiosity, why have none of the anti-Hatarian people ever come after Axis Nova? It kept Hataria going for months and months of real time (OOC time that is), after all, and yet, aside from much gnashing of teeth, no one has bothered to take a crack at me. o_O

Well, you've never really threatened or attacked me, so I've got no reason to attack you.
That's about it.
EDIT: Funny how one word changes everything.

...so I've got reason to attack you...

Yeah! Go kill him for...erm...doing nothing? :p Sweet!

Just out of curiosity, why have none of the anti-Hatarian people ever come after Axis Nova? It kept Hataria going for months and months of real time (OOC time that is), after all, and yet, aside from much gnashing of teeth, no one has bothered to take a crack at me. o_O

Well, they used to come after you in the past, but as of now you're not supporting Hataria so we don't exactly have reason to. Besides, you never really were as aggressive as he, you just kinda followed along and offered support.

OOC:
Axis Nova attacked my ships with his laser thingy!!!! LET'S GO TO WAR!!! RARRRRGH!

Of course, this is OOC, so can't.

ZMI's protestations aside, I did a little research of my own and decided that a surface to surface laser is pretty much impractical in PMT, which is why the one in my tech thread reads as decommissioned. =p

Alright, now I have no grudge against AN.

BTW, AN, you are cool. That's why no one wants to kill ya. Hataria just doesn't listen to reason. Are my terms unfair?

I am skeptical of letting Clandonia near anything important, or for that matter, near anything pointy or shiny.

Okay, should I restrict that all aggressors towards Hataria not aim nuclear weapons at Hataria nor show any act of aggression towards Hataria until the Treaty is lifted and Hataria 'restored'?

I am skeptical of letting Clandonia near anything important, or for that matter, near anything pointy or shiny.

I'm sceptical that Axis Nova is even a good RP'er or can even spell.

*sniffles*
How about we just drop this whole thread and start all over? Or just drop it and pretend that it never existed?

I'm sceptical that Axis Nova is even a good RP'er or can even spell.

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Right...

I find the sheer awfulness of this RP and all that is associated with it quite depressing.

Nice way to put it. Look, I'm pulling out. The arrogance and arguing has just got to me. Dephire's involvement is for naught. I hope you all resolve this issue.

I find the sheer awfulness of this RP and all that is associated with it quite depressing.
rlly? I r thunk it r awesimz!!1!!

Nice way to put it. Look, I'm pulling out. The arrogance and arguing has just got to me. Dephire's involvement is for naught. I hope you all resolve this issue.
You tried, mate..It is all one can ask of anyone..

You tried, mate..It is all one can ask of anyone..

I'm glad you think so. What I hope is that everyone with a sense of mind pull out as well. Hmm. Maybe I can finally focus on that Dephirian Civil Conflict Thread...or just enjoy summer.

I'm sceptical that Axis Nova is even a good RP'er or can even spell.

Psst. There are two acceptable spellings for 'skeptic'; 'sceptic' and 'skeptic', and they're used interchangeably in both America and the UK.

Psst. There are two acceptable spellings for 'skeptic'; 'sceptic' and 'skeptic', and they're used interchangeably in both America and the UK.

Good catch there. I was beginning to wonder whether I spell it correctly or not..

This could have been a good rp if it wasn't for all the OOC flames and arguing >_>

This could have been a good rp if it wasn't for all the OOC flames and arguing >_>

Agreed. ;)

Alright, I'm probably going to be pulling my forces out. The treaties are finalized, I support both of them, and if Hataria doesn't want to sign either of these exceptionally reasonable treaties I don't have any responsibility to put my troops in further danger.

So, finalize a treaty and be done with the mess, because I am pulling my forces out.

Hm. Tis a shame I couldn't shed any blood. Ah well. *Offers hand for Vetalia to shake* We did good, eh?

Hm. Tis a shame I couldn't shed any blood. Ah well. *Offers hand for Vetalia to shake* We did good, eh?

*shakes*...I don't think I'd want to shed any blood, at least not when it doesn't benefit me. I mean, I love supporting my allies as much as possible, but I don't plan on being drug in to WWIII because of Hataria. Again.

*sniffles*
How about we just drop this whole thread and start all over? Or just drop it and pretend that it never existed?

I'm all for that.

Me too.

So Dephire, will you be rejoining the DC?

Alright, I'm probably going to be pulling my forces out. The treaties are finalized, I support both of them, and if Hataria doesn't want to sign either of these exceptionally reasonable treaties I don't have any responsibility to put my troops in further danger.

So, finalize a treaty and be done with the mess, because I am pulling my forces out.

I find the sheer awfulness of this RP and all that is associated with it quite depressing.
OOC: Utterly agreed with you both. By now, I'll accept and push for whatever treaty we can agree will stand; DC version or no. By now there is less than zero point to this, and I'm just glad all those that tried did as well as they could; IC enemy or ally, you are my role models as RPers and I congratulate you all. The instant an agreement is signed, my forces are out; either to help Vetaka if we can, or even (novel concept for the Orwellian universe that is II, even for ICly capitalist nations I'd wager...:headbang:) simply to rest and refit.

wrong thread... :headbang:

I'm pulling out too :)

This could have been a good rp if it wasn't for all the OOC flames and arguing >_>

You can blame Transylvania for that, rp ruining by OOC argument is his forte.

Exactly why I left the DC.

I'm going to find it extremely amusing if Blub's actions in this matter, despite the attempts of Hataria and others at peace, push Hataria back into his old ways in self-defense.

If they go back to their old ways then they will be turned nito shiny plate glass. Not that I really care.

If they go back to their old ways then they will be turned nito shiny plate glass. Not that I really care.

If you nuked Blub I will wipe your nation of the crust of the Earth.

You know what? I give up. If Hataria and Trans are so determined to keep up their status quo of Hataria goes runs amok, fine. I've had enough of this mess, and I quit this damn RP.
Hell, I'm taking a break from playing as a nation for a while. I've had nothing but headaches since this war began, I'm still sick, and at any rate, Ri-an should be starting his final thread sooner than later. At least that should be fun.
See you guys.

If you nuked Blub I will wipe your nation of the crust of the Earth.

Such an action would result in your nation suffering the same fate.

Do not use such threats lightly, Clandonia. They will come back to punish you later.

Such an action would result in your nation suffering the same fate.

Do not use such threats lightly, Clandonia. They will come back to punish you later.

And thus my allies would do the same to you, Mutually Assured Destruction is such a lovely thing.

Just to let everyone know, I'm out too.

And thus my allies would do the same to you, Mutually Assured Destruction is such a lovely thing.

Indeed. Though we would gladly suffer, knowing that you were punished for your actions.

And thus my allies would do the same to you, Mutually Assured Destruction is such a lovely thing.

Mutually Assured Destruction only works if your opponent believes in it as much as you do.

Ermmm, you guys do know I was talking about turning Hataria into plate glass right?

So how many others left the DC after I had? 5? 6?

So how many others left the DC after I had? 5? 6?

Um, only 3 that i know of. Aurum Domus, Wagdog, and Fornelia. And if Vetaka and/or Honako leaves, so will I.

Tell me people, is the world attacking the New Iraqui government for soemthign the old government did?

No, but the world attacked the Old Iraqi government for "it's actions" and if they didn't they wouldn't have a new Iraqi "government"(or a civil war)


Sorry just saw this post and had to saysomthing

God this RP was such a disaster.

God this RP was such a disaster.

Arn't all large nation states Rp's? That's why i join earth's

Arn't all large nation states Rp's? That's why i join earth's

Well I don't think it's an NS thing. I think generally when it has something to do with Hataria (not his fault, necessarily), things fall apart, like with this.

I really don't think anyone could possibly blame Hataria for this RP falling apart, considering he's made only a few posts in it =p

I lay the blame on the people who started a pissing contest when i was at a wedding :D

Since I'm bored, and have no interest in this conflict ICly or OOCly, I figure I can solve the dilema you guys are having by making you a treaty. Considering I couldn't care less about either side, I figure I can come up with something fair, provided I can work my way through all the pages of bickering to find the actual information about this entire RP and it's background to make such a treaty.

I really don't think anyone could possibly blame Hataria for this RP falling apart, considering he's made only a few posts in it =p

Oh, it's not his fault. It's the nations who were arguing over the fate of him. Hataria was actually pretty tame here, he didn't post that much and he even apologized to the Blubs. It's the more radical nations that were the problem.

Since I'm bored, and have no interest in this conflict ICly or OOCly, I figure I can solve the dilema you guys are having by making you a treaty. Considering I couldn't care less about either side, I figure I can come up with something fair, provided I can work my way through all the pages of bickering to find the actual information about this entire RP and it's background to make such a treaty.

I'm pretty sure it's over, or at least in its last throes

Okay guys, I took my unfair ban as I wasn’t flaming nobody. I was extremely pissed off and need the break though. and I think Matt or one of the others hunted the mod that hates me the most, which I don’t think a mod should favor one person under another.

On with whatever I’m doing. I have gave y’all the option to modified the Treaty of the Second Age as there isn’t a reason for Hat to have four million treaties to sign. One treaty is all that is need, but none of you take that chance. Awe could have came to together and modified the Treaty of the Second Age like adults, but none of y’all did it. Y’all used my thread to post your own damn treaties. And Praetonia, someone whom I did respect, made fun of my writing. That was a flame in own self as I wrote the stuff OOCly. If this was in real world, the grammar would be better as it wouldn’t be me writing.

I want to play this game for fun, not to win the game as you can’t do that. I can’t have fun with people whom only want to hate people OOCly. I can’t have fun with people whom piss me off. I can’t have fun and I could go on with this forever, but I don’t have time for it.

And I’ll make a IC post soon about this, but I tell everybody OOCly. I’m taking a break from role-playing. Unless your name is Jenrak or Theao or one of my allies, I’ll not being role-playing with you. I’ll work on my IC post, but I have to think about what to say. I know some of it already.

Here comes the main point of this role-play. Because of the actions of a number of players, I’m leaving this role-play and wish Clint the best. Clint, you were the best of us through this whole thing. You were showing your less hostile side and all they were doing was trying to bring that side back. Here is something I thought would be the best for you. Start a new nation and continue on with your peaceful ways. As this new nation, nobody will hound you and if they did, you can report them to the mods as they will grieving you.

That’s all I got to say about this matter. I’m done with it.

In all fairness, Trans, your treaty does need some serious work. It actually would leave Hataria with almost as strong a military as he had before.

That’s why I was giving the option for them to modify it, but they didn't even try. They only made their own damn treaties. Ones trying to force what the government of the Second Empire was going to be like. Each of them didn’t need to exist as my thread could have been modified into some fair on all side. MY last post in this thread. I'm done.

I'm sure this'll basicly garuntee that Hataria "ignores" the combat thread now.

The purpose of any particular treaty is to prevent Hataria from becoming an aggressive warmonger, right? I think this is more in line with things...


-The Hatarian military is limited to 20,000,000 men in all branches. This may not be supplemented by mercenaries or other means to get around the limit.
-Hataria may not possess any NBC weapons or orbital weapons systems such as godrods or any other forms of space-deployed weapons. 'Conventional warhead' ICBMs are also banned via this treaty.
-The Hatarian space program is to be limited to civilian use items only, with the exception of GPS and surveillance satellites which are neccesary for self-defense.
-The Hatarian military is forbidden from taking offensive actions against other nations. This does not apply to attacking invaders on Hatarian land, airspace, or waters.
-The Hatarian government may not fund partisans, mercenaries, terrorists, etc in an attempt to make trouble for other countries.
-The Hatarian navy is to be limited to no more than 2000 ships and no aircraft carriers or super dreadnoughts. Nuclear powered or fusion powered vessels are prohibited.
-Hatarian civilian vessels may not be armed except with defensive weapons. Auxiliary cruisers are not allowed.
-The Hatarian military is not allowed to maintain any form of ballistic missile submarine.
-The Hatarian military may fortify it's borders and coast as much as it wishes, provided the number of men used to garrison the fortifications comes out of the 20,000,000 allotment and the fortifications comply with the previous clauses of this treaty.
-The signatories of this treaty must recognize Hataria's right to exist and sign a non-agression pact with the Hatarian government.


Now for some explanations of clauses which arn't self-explanatory:

-20 million man limit: You don't need a gigantic military for self-defense. This one's bigger than my own, even.
-NBC clause: Speaks for itself, really.
-Offensive actions clause: This was missing from all the others and is a rather blatantly obvious one. It also renders a lot of detailed stuff unneccesary-- who cares how many tanks Hataria has if he can't attack with them? I worded it so people can't invade him, then hit him with the clause if he does anything but have his troops hide behind walls.
-Terrorist etc clause: I don't know if Hataria does this, but this will tend to make him a better neighbour.
-Naval clause: Same reasoning as the army limit. You don't need a big navy for self-defense. No aircraft carriers forces him to rely on land-based airbases and reduces possible force projection. Similarly, no nuclear/fusion powered vessels reduces the potential range of his navy considerably and forces them to keep closer to bases, or else waste a lot of that 2,000 ship limit on tankers. It'll also tend to limit tonnage since very large ships will use lots of fuel.

The rest is fairly self-explanatory.

Under these clauses it doesn't matter much what kind of government Hataria has or what it's equipped with (except with a few limitations as detailed in the treaty), he wouldn't be invading anyone anytime soon.

One must wonder why you havn't bothered to act on this before-- you could have joined the previous war against Hataria and even now had a hand in shaping his current government and limiting his military and so forth.



I hate to dig up something this old, but I'd like to put in my two cents here.

The coalition of the willing during the "Ryu no Jo'o" war was comprised of Demon666, Ezaltia, Shalrirorchia (The Big Three), Amazonian Beasts, Wilhelmborough, Crazed Marines, Skgorria, and Atopania. NOT ONE OF US had ANY say in the reconstruction.

Yes, but why would we allow you all to tell us what we can and can't rebuild?

You all had the opportunity to place resources in - such an act would have been welcomed, certainly by us.