NationStates Jolt Archive

I know that, Xeraph, being a genuine Christian myself, but Christianity is a lot like many religions in that those individuals who practice it do not necessarily all believe exactly the same thing. I'm just looking to make this fun is all. That's why I'm here. To have a good time.


I understand that. This is, after all, just a game. My point was that Byz is going to attack me with someone he shouldn't be even dealing with.....as did his actual, historical counterpart way back when. He did back then, as he is now, compromising what he knows is right, and what you compromise to gain you eventually lose. Byz lost back then, and he's going to lose now. And I've got the maps to prove it.

Not to mention the fact that I and my allies/supporters are going to kick his ass royally......:D

I understand that. This is, after all, just a game. My point was that Byz is going to attack me with someone he shouldn't be even dealing with.....as did his actual, historical counterpart way back when. He did back then, as he is now, compromising what he knows is right, and what you compromise to gain you eventually lose. Byz lost back then, and he's going to lose now. And I've got the maps to prove it.

Not to mention the fact that I and my allies/supporters are going to kick his ass royally......:D

Don't make assumptions. By the way, what maps are you using to plan Armenia's defenses? I don't recognize the place names you mentioned in the IC thread.

Regarding my Emperor's decision compromising what he knows is right, even the most pious and dedicated people have the occasional weak moment. I might well survive.

I appreciate the information, Thrashia, and just to be sure, how do you define a year's time in this RP?

Bad form to quote my own stuff, I know, but it's important to me and I would really like to know.

Don't make assumptions. By the way, what maps are you using to plan Armenia's defenses? I don't recognize the place names you mentioned in the IC thread.

Regarding my Emperor's decision compromising what he knows is right, even the most pious and dedicated people have the occasional weak moment. I might well survive.


maps: page 12, post #169

Many thanks. That map isn't quite on target for period, but it helps. I'm going primarily by the map which displays important fortresses and so on.

By the way, in the last IC post you made, it seemed that Leon of Armenia had some kind of 'idea' regarding my Emperor's decision to comingle with the Seljuks. Is that anything we should work out in OOC terms?

Many thanks. That map isn't quite on target for period, but it helps. I'm going primarily by the map which displays important fortresses and so on.

By the way, in the last IC post you made, it seemed that Leon of Armenia had some kind of 'idea' regarding my Emperor's decision to comingle with the Seljuks. Is that anything we should work out in OOC terms?


OOPS.....a little late there, pal. I just finished the IC post about "the idea". If you haven't already seen it, your'e gonna love it.....:p

OOPS.....a little late there, pal. I just finished the IC post about "the idea". If you haven't already seen it, your'e gonna love it.....:p

Nice, but if you were attacking a Byzantine garrison, we should have discussed it. I'll let it ride as the post has a high coolness rating.

In response, I think I'll have Byzantium act like Scotland when Robert the Bruce was excommunicated.

Hum. I don't think allying with Muslims would be such a huge deal to the Pope. After all, historically the Crusaders themselves allied with a number of Muslim states, and I think Armenian lords would also sometimes ally with the Seljuks against the Byzantines (or the Byzantines against the Seljuks, or whoever else served their interests).

Byzantium also has a good reason to invade you, seeing as Armenian Cicilia was Byzantine territory until the Armenians rebelled after Manzikert.

IC post coming today I promise

Nice, but if you were attacking a Byzantine garrison, we should have discussed it. I'll let it ride as the post has a high coolness rating.

In response, I think I'll have Byzantium act like Scotland when Robert the Bruce was excommunicated.


I didn't attack a Byz garisson. I kidnapped a cardinal from a turkish border town where there happened to be turkish and Byz troops.

And what was Scotland's response?

Hum. I don't think allying with Muslims would be such a huge deal to the Pope. After all, historically the Crusaders themselves allied with a number of Muslim states, and I think Armenian lords would also sometimes ally with the Seljuks against the Byzantines (or the Byzantines against the Seljuks, or whoever else served their interests).

Byzantium also has a good reason to invade you, seeing as Armenian Cicilia was Byzantine territory until the Armenians rebelled after Manzikert.

IC post coming today I promise


Not that I've done any in depth research about AC, but I saw no indication anywhere that AC ever aligned themselves with a muslim nation, period. And Byz may have had a good reason to invade AC but it didn't happen in the time frame we're playing in. If you look at the two maps I posted on pg. 12, post 169, you'll see where the ByzEmp was up tp 1199, and where it was AFTER 1199. It was AC that did the 'aquiring', not the other way around.

On the Armenian allies thing, I may be thinking of a later period in history. It's still hard to find good information on Mahmud II. Anyway the point is that allying with the Muslims wasn't a huge deal. If not the Armenians, the Crusaders themselves definitely did historically, and they weren't overthrown by angry subjects for it. And I doubt the pope would go round condemning the Byzantines for retaking one of their provinces, given that a large part of why he called for a crusade in the first place was to try to forge friendlier relations between himself and Byzantium, and that he did not historically condemn the wars which Byzantium waged with Armenia during this time period.

And Byz may have had a good reason to invade AC but it didn't happen in the time frame we're playing in.

Wikipedia has this to say:

Prince Leon I integrated the Cilician coastal cities to the Armenian principality, thus consolidating Armenian commercial leadership in the region. He was eventually defeated by the Emperor John II in 1137, who still considered Cilicia as a Byzantine province, and was imprisoned with several other family members.[3] He died in prison three years later. Leon's son and successor, Thoros II, was also imprisoned, but escaped in 1141. He returned to lead the struggle with the Byzantines. Initially he was successful, but eventually, in 1158, he paid homage to the Emperor Manuel I.

That's this time period. Same Emperor, even.

But anyway I don't want to make a huge thing of it. I mostly want to know whether troops I pay to recruit this year are available immediately or whether they come in next year and spend the meantime training, etc. (and whether if they come in immediately this year I have to pay their upkeep this year in addition to recruiting costs). Then I can post exactly what troop numbers I am invading with.

Still working on a Nicaea post.

A year will pass, roughly, every seven to nine RL days. Or if things are moving along at a decent pace then I will make it known that a year has passed.

I have returned! What lies open for me?

Egypt is still there, and from what I can tell, opportunities are ripe for you! ;) Crusaders are fighting among themselves, and Jerusalem has sent a significant force away from home.

Egypt is still there, and from what I can tell, opportunities are ripe for you! ;) Crusaders are fighting among themselves, and Jerusalem has sent a significant force away from home.

Je vous reviens comme les Fatimides!

If Egypt is open, I will gladly take the Caliph.

A year will pass, roughly, every seven to nine RL days. Or if things are moving along at a decent pace then I will make it known that a year has passed.

Excellent. Just the information I needed.

By the way, Manth, I did a little bit about what's happening in Nicaea in my last IC post. Id you would like to RP that out some, I'm game. My next IC post will likely deal almost entirely with my army and its adventures in Armenia.

Excellent. Just the information I needed.

By the way, Manth, I did a little bit about what's happening in Nicaea in my last IC post. Id you would like to RP that out some, I'm game. My next IC post will likely deal almost entirely with my army and its adventures in Armenia.

Working on it, sorry for the delay. :(

I didn't attack a Byz garisson. I kidnapped a cardinal from a turkish border town where there happened to be turkish and Byz troops.

Wait, so it was one of my towns? That's OK with me, but people will notice he is missing, and most of my major cities are walled near as I can tell (especially near the border). We can say he was outside the walls at the time, though.

Also, a bit weird to have a Catholic cardinal in an area full of either Greek Orthodox or Muslims... I'm just a bit confused why the Byzantines or Armenians, neither of whom are Catholic, would care what the Pope says about the Byzantine Emperor.

You might have better luck with the Patriarch in Constantinople?

I have one other question... I think it would take more than a week for news of the invasion to travel all the way to Antioch. Since Zengi is going to invade Edessa in one week according to his IC post, I think he will have done that before news of my attack reaches the Crusaders. He might even invade before news of my invasion reaches him.

Is this right?

Troop levies this year:
20,000 men-at-arms
3,200 archers
500 foot knights

Working on it, sorry for the delay. :(

No worries. I'm patient...now hurry up, blast you! ;)

I'm setting up a Word document now to catalogue my expenses, troops levies in a given year, taxes, and also my monetary savings.

I have probably around 200 Gold Bezants saved away right now. Nothing more.

I have returned! :p

What have a missed?

I have returned! :p

What have a missed?

I was not aware you were shooting?

I know that Byzantium (me!) and Rum are solidifying an alliance which was made in writing not long ago, and will soon be cemented when Aysel(is that her name, Manth?), daughter of the Grand Sultan Mahmud II of Rum, and Manuel of the Byzantine Empire are married. At the same time, Seljuk and Byzantine troops have invaded Armenia. For more information, ask the others.

Working on it, sorry for the delay. :(



Wait, so it was one of my towns? That's OK with me, but people will notice he is missing, and most of my major cities are walled near as I can tell (especially near the border). We can say he was outside the walls at the time, though.

Also, a bit weird to have a Catholic cardinal in an area full of either Greek Orthodox or Muslims... I'm just a bit confused why the Byzantines or Armenians, neither of whom are Catholic, would care what the Pope says about the Byzantine Emperor.

You might have better luck with the Patriarch in Constantinople?

I have one other question... I think it would take more than a week for news of the invasion to travel all the way to Antioch. Since Zengi is going to invade Edessa in one week according to his IC post, I think he will have done that before news of my attack reaches the Crusaders. He might even invade before news of my invasion reaches him.

Is this right?

Troop levies this year:
20,000 men-at-arms
3,200 archers
500 foot knights


Oh well...just 1 more confusing thing in this confusing thread. Maybe the cardinal had a thing for arab women and had his brother, who is a monk in the Carthusian monastery out in the desert set him up with a hottie in a tent for a couplr of days and that's where the AC's caught up w/him.
BTW, the time frame your'e describing is a bit in the future. Leon is not yet the Prince, Thoros I is. A mere technicality, but nonetheless historic fact.

Am I going to be able to take the Fatimids?

Je vous reviens comme les Fatimides!

If Egypt is open, I will gladly take the Caliph.

It's all yours my man, just try your best to be trouble for them. Also, you have a navy not shown in your initial troop count. You have 30 cogs, 30 Knaars, and 30 of the smallest ones (do I care that I can't name it right now?....no, not really). You do not pay for the cogs or knaars, but must pay upkeep on the small ones.

I should make a factbook, or no?

I should make a factbook, or no?

A factbook is not required...

Although you could give military information...

I have a problem.

If the annual income of my province is 34,000 bezants, and I have the army that is listed on the front of the page, then my annual millitary expenditures to maintain the army exceeds more than 50% of my annual income on a base.

I have a problem.

If the annual income of my province is 34,000 bezants, and I have the army that is listed on the front of the page, then my annual millitary expenditures to maintain the army exceeds more than 50% of my annual income on a base.

maintanence costs are not part of the 50% mark, that is only in regards to raising troops.

I have my expenses listed here:

INCOME: 34000 B


EXPENSES: 32630 B

Army: 23000 B
500 Mamelouks: 20000 B
0 Mamelouks au pied: 0 B
30000 Soldats: 3000 B
0 Archers: 0 B

Marine: 900 B
30 Cog: 0 B
30 Knaar: 0 B
30 Schooner: 900 B

RECRUTEMENT: 3400 B
100 Mamelouks: 800 B
0 Mamelouks au pied: 0 B
0 Soldats: 0 B
2000 Archers: 2000 B
0 Cog: 0 B
0 Knaar: 0 B
10 Schooner: 600 B
CONSTRUCTION: 0 B
0 Citadelle: 0 B
0 Fortification: 0 B
0 Château: 0 B
0 Fort: 0 B

STATE EXPENSES: 3530 B [non-militaire]
Charité: 1010 B
Dépenses Royales: 2520 B


RESERVE: 3165 B



I also have some questions:


Is each state listed as a whole province or is each divided into separate provinces?
Where are the IC threads?
Have we decided how to resolve battles?
Is my declaration accurate and good?

New question: Who pays for the cogs and the knaars?

Marine: 7200 B
30 Cog: 4200 B
30 Knaar: 2100 B

You do not pay for the cogs or knaars, but must pay upkeep on the small ones.

;)

Oh well...just 1 more confusing thing in this confusing thread. Maybe the cardinal had a thing for arab women and had his brother, who is a monk in the Carthusian monastery out in the desert set him up with a hottie in a tent for a couplr of days and that's where the AC's caught up w/him.

Works for me.

Xeraph, would you mind posting your recruits this year/spending breakdown? I know you started with 6000 men-at-arms and 2,000 knights, but (unless I missed it), I haven't seen updated numbers for this year...

Cheers

Here's my present force numbers and disposition.

Fortress garrisons in on-the-map fortresses have been left where they should be - in the assigned fortresses. Now, if I understand Thrashia's rules correctly, and it is possible I misunderstand, they total as 5,500 soldiers.

Here's everything else, by which I mean my professional, standing army (Saves money on chairs).

Knights:

• Scholae Tagma: 4,000 heavy knights commanded by Domestic Lucius Pontidius (Armenia)
• 1st Cavalry Meros: 2,000 heavy knights commanded by Topoteretae Gaius Sentius (Armenia)

Infantry:

• 1st Meros: 2,000 men-at-arms commanded by Topoteretae Oppius Atrius (Armenia)
• 2nd Meros: 2,000 men-at-arms commanded by Topoteretae Augustus Atius (Armenia)
• 3rd Meros: 2,000 men-at-arms commanded by Topoteretae Marcus Norbanus (Armenia)
• 4th Meros: 2,000 men-at-arms commanded by Topoteretae Telis Polymeru (Mainland Byzantium)
• 5th Meros: 2,000 men-at-arms commanded by Topoteretae Eleaterios Chakiris (Cyprus)

Hm. I would suspect that new troops only come with new fortresses that we pay for, but I may be wrong.

In any case, my standing army is officially 1,900 Mamluks (horse archers/heavy cavalry), 500 foot knights, 3,200 archers, and 43,000 men-at-arms. Haven't worked out division names because I have no real idea how the Turks organized their army :p

To answer the question that was hurled at me sometime on the last page about Antioch knowing of the invasion;

We dont. If you read the post you would see that the italiced part of the character thinking dismissed the signs of Byzantine and Turkish troop concentrations as ludicrous. He supposes that they would either be fighting themselves or blustering against each other as they are enemies usually. I thought I had made that clear with the language, however I ackowledge that not everybody has English as a first language so perhaps I shall summarise in here in future so we dont get any more mix ups?

I was merely speculating in the post, quizically looking at how many men I could summon.

Also I assume as the Turks are doing it that our new recruits are available almost immeadiately. Either that or they are just thrusting quickly constructed weapons into peasants hands and telling them to "march" with the army of semi-professional soldiers??

You know, concerning new recruits, there could be a rule by which you can have them right away, but they will be little more than armed peasants whose little training, if they get any, takes place on the march. On the other hand, you can wait a whole year, and get competent, disciplined soldiers. Then, a median could be to wait part of a year, and get troops who are trained so as to be marginally capable, but haven't quite got the iron discipline of fully trained soldiers. I'm just musing here.

In response to a previous comment by New Manth that the Armenians might have more luck with his quest to get John II in religious trouble by seeking out the Patriarch in Constantinople...not likely, if you ask me. If he does help the Armenians...there will soon be a new Patriarch.

You know, concerning new recruits, there could be a rule by which you can have them right away, but they will be little more than armed peasants whose little training, if they get any, takes place on the march. On the other hand, you can wait a whole year, and get competent, disciplined soldiers. Then, a median could be to wait part of a year, and get troops who are trained so as to be marginally capable, but haven't quite got the iron discipline of fully trained soldiers. I'm just musing here.

In response to a previous comment by New Manth that the Armenians might have more luck with his quest to get John II in religious trouble by seeking out the Patriarch in Constantinople...not likely, if you ask me. If he does help the Armenians...there will soon be a new Patriarch.



All of us DID wait a year. The actual "year" we just went thru is the year of waiting. Hence, our new, fully-trained troops. Capeesh?


Annual Spending Report:

1 thousand Mounted Knights....8k Bezants
1 thousand Foot Knights.........2k Bezants

With present troop strength of 8,135 (w/yearly addition) current troop strength stands at 10,135.

All of us DID wait a year. The actual "year" we just went thru is the year of waiting. Hence, our new, fully-trained troops. Capeesh?

Yah, that's how I see it also. I posted that I was raising fresh troops on my first IC post, only a couple posts into the thread... it's been a while since then.

Not sure if the year is technically quite up, but the troops have had time to train.

New Manth sorry for not responding earlier to your mission to my capital, but I wish to to say I am sorry about that and would like to open diplomatic talks with your nation, all of this is in my most recent post.;)

All of us DID wait a year. The actual "year" we just went thru is the year of waiting. Hence, our new, fully-trained troops. Capeesh?


Annual Spending Report:

1 thousand Mounted Knights....8k Bezants
1 thousand Foot Knights.........2k Bezants

With present troop strength of 8,135 (w/yearly addition) current troop strength stands at 10,135.

I realize that. I was just speculating.

New Manth sorry for not responding earlier to your mission to my capital, but I wish to to say I am sorry about that and would like to open diplomatic talks with your nation, all of this is in my most recent post.;)

OOC, no problem. I know people get busy, hell, it happens to me a lot too :p

IC, Mahmud is somewhat appeased, but also still somewhat cheesed off about the original 'insult'. The gift will convince him to agree to trade, but not a nonaggression treaty. He wishes to see how things go with the Syrians (and how things go for himself and the Byzantines in Armenia), and if Edessa attacks any Seljuk allies he would not want to be bound by treaty not to assist them (though OOC I doubt you'll do that as you're about to get invaded :p ) ). I will post his response on the IC thread soon, but feel free to chalk up that trade income now, and I will do the same :)

In other news, wow. I've made over 1,600 bezants through diplomacy alone... I am liking this! Now if I can get a few port cities in Armenia and start trading with Venice and Genoa, maybe the Seljuks will become the new master traders of the Middle East. :)

The Great Zengi wishes to begin trading with the Byzantine Empire and Egypt.

The Great Zengi wishes to begin trading with the Byzantine Empire and Egypt.

Where do we start the IC discussions?

Where do we start the IC discussions?

I suppose the main IC thread...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=526993

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=526993

merci!!!

merci!!!

May I assume, sir, that you are French?

In any case, I look forward to playing with you.

Manth: I'll try and make a post within an hour, at the most.

The Great Zengi wishes to begin trading with the Byzantine Empire and Egypt.

I guess I wouldn't mind a few hundred more Gold Bezants yearly. Send a diplomatic mission in the IC thread, and let's work something out.

Evening ladies and gentlemen.

Just thought I would raise my concerns about Tripoli's activity. We havn't seen hind nor hair of him for nearly a week now by my calculations. I ask only because I'm kind of hung up waiting for him to make some form of response to the moves that Antioch, Jerusalem and the Knightly orders have made.
I've pickled off a telegram but as yet no response. Would be nice if others could also enquire as to his absence?

Believe me I.H. I get the same feeling. If he doesn't post within 24 hours to say something or other then I'll have him on waiting. If he doesn't post in 48, then I'm taking him off the list and Tripoli will be divided between Antioch and Jerusalem. If however he comes back with a suitable excuse after 48 hours, then I may let him keep his head...

Now, for the time being...A YEAR HAS PASSED. The year is now 1124. Any troops that you may have been training are now trained. You've received your taxes and all maintenance fees are due. Building projects which started last year are completed, with the exception of anything above fortress level.

Excellent stuff on the year Thrash. Also with regards Tripoli I think that seems fair. Myself and Jerusalem already agreed a deal which gives the following. (Essentially this is what we agreed OOCly to do once Tripoli was 'conquered')

Jerusalem will get the two fortifications in the south, the land up to just south of Tripoli along with 5000GB's of Tripoli's income. Antioch will recieve the rest, principally the fortifications of Al-marqab, Montterrand, Chastel Ruge, Tripoli and Archas along with remaining 15000GB's of Tripoli's income.

Hey there, Thrashia. Nice to see you. It's a little stormy out my way right now so I might not be on as long as usual, so I'd like to ask you just one thing in the meantime. Do the fortresses we started with on the map have garrisons just like the ones we build as the game proceeds? I would personally think they would, because why would a nation build a fortress and leave it empty, only filling it when needed by draining troops from the standing military?

Hey there, Thrashia. Nice to see you. It's a little stormy out my way right now so I might not be on as long as usual, so I'd like to ask you just one thing in the meantime. Do the fortresses we started with on the map have garrisons just like the ones we build as the game proceeds? I would personally think they would, because why would a nation build a fortress and leave it empty, only filling it when needed by draining troops from the standing military?

Its a understood thing, meaning automatically assumed, that every nations army is not grouped together. I myself have a few hundred there, a few hundred here, all spread out proportionally to their location. However that bonus with building does not apply to any fortresses that are already in place, I am afraid to say.

Its a understood thing, meaning automatically assumed, that every nations army is not grouped together. I myself have a few hundred there, a few hundred here, all spread out proportionally to their location. However that bonus with building does not apply to any fortresses that are already in place, I am afraid to say.

Eternal suffering be upon you, then!...j/k, obviously.

I guess I'll just mope then.

Well, I'm presently sick, so I think your curse worked. :P As for how to settle your accounts and money, I'll show everyone my system below.

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1st Year

Starting Men: 3,200 Malmuks; 23,000 men-at-arms

Starting Gold: 23,000 gold bezants

Maintenance Costs:
12,800 GBs for Mamluk upkeep (3,200)
2,300 GBs for men-at-arm upkeep (23,000)
=
15,100 gold bezants

=
7,900 gold bezants left in treasury

2nd Year

Starting Men: 3,200 Malmuks; 23,000 men-at-arms

Starting Gold after taxes: 30,900 gold bezants

Maintenance Costs:
12,800 for Mamluk upkeep (3,200)
2,300 for men-at-arm upkeep (23,000)
=
15,100 gold bezants

=
15,800 gold bezants left in treasury

Good system. I'll probably use it myself, if I can keep that in mind. I hope you improve healthwise soon.

Hey Thrash, dont men at arms cost 1silver bezant for upkeep, not 10gold bezants. I think you have a lot more money than you think you do!

First Year:

Income: 20,000 gold bezants
Forces: Syria: 1,900 Malmuks; 27,000 men-at-arms

Maintenance:

1,900 Malmuks (4 GB X 1900=7600)
27,000 men-at-arms (1 SB X 27000= 2700GB)

7600+2700=10 300.
20 000-10 300= 9700 GB left in treasury.

Second Year:

Income: 29700 GB left in treasury.

Maintenance: 1,900 Malmuks (4 GB X 1900=7600)
27,000 men-at-arms (1 SB X 27000= 2700GB)

29700-9700= 20 000 left in treasury.


Am I doing it right?

Anyway I can get a TG when any spots open up?

I have a question:

Does my declaration of finances count for this year or can I update it with the recrutements that I made on it? If so, my second year finances look like this:

INCOME: 34000 B


EXPENSES: 32630 B

Army: 24000 B
5100 Mamelouks: 20400 B
0 Mamelouks au pied: 0 B
30000 Soldats: 3000 B
2000 Archers: 600 B

Marine: 1200 B
30 Cog: 0 B
30 Knaar: 0 B
40 Schooner: 1200 B

RECRUTEMENT: 0 B
0 Mamelouks: 0 B
0 Mamelouks au pied: 0 B
0 Soldats: 0 B
0 Archers: 0 B
0 Cog: 0 B
0 Knaar: 0 B
0 Schooner: 0 B
CONSTRUCTION: 0 B
0 Citadelle: 0 B
0 Fortification: 0 B
0 Château: 0 B
0 Fort: 0 B

STATE EXPENSES: 3080 B [non-militaire]
Charité: 880 B
Dépenses Royales: 2200 B


RESERVE: 5720 B

RESERVE: 8,885 B [+ 3165 B from Year 1]

Year 1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12680155&postcount=278)

First Year:

Base Income: 19,000 gold bezants
Trade Income: 1,300 gold bezants (half trade from Antioch since he canceled partway through the year)
Gifts: 320 gold bezants from Edessa.
Total: 20,620 gold bezants
Forces: Syria: 1,900 Malmuks; 23,000 men-at-arms

Maintenance:

1,900 Malmuks (4 GB X 1900=7600)
23,000 men-at-arms (1 SB X 23000= 2300GB)

7600+2700=9900.
20 000-10 300= 10720 GB left after maintenance.

Recruiting Expenses:
20,000 men-at-arms: 4,000 GB
3,200 archers: 3,200 GB
500 foot knights: 2,000 GB

Treasury surplus after first year: 1,520 GB
To bed now, see you all tomorrow.

First Year.

Base Income: 19,000GB
Surplus Income (Trade): 500GB
Surplus Income (Other): 0GB



Maintenance

2,900 Knights (2900x4) = 11,600GB
11,000 Men-at-Arms (11000x.1) = 1,100GB

Total Maintenance = 12,700GB


Recruitment

15,000 Men-at-Arms (15000x.2) = 3,000GB
1,200 Archers (1,200x1) = 1,200GB

Total Recruitment= 4,200GB


Total Military Expenditure Year One = 16,900GB
Misillaneous Expenditure (Donations, Bribes etc) = 1000GB

Total Expenditure = 17,900

Remaining in treasury 1,600.


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Second Year.

Base Income: 19,000GB
Surplus Income (Trade): 400GB
Surplus Income (Other): 0GB
Remaining in Treasury: 1,600GB

Total Available Money: 21,000GB


Maintenance

2,900 Knights (2900x4) = 11,600GB
26,000 Men-at-Arms (26000x.1) = 2,600GB
1,200 Archers (1200x.3) = 360GB

Total Maintenance = 14,560GB


Recruitment


5,000 Men-at-Arms (5000x.2) = 1,000GB
600 Archers (600x1) = 600GB

Total Recruitment= 1,600GB


Total Military Expenditure Year One = 16,160GB
Misillaneous Expenditure (Donations, Bribes etc) = 0GB

Total Expenditure = 16,160

Remaining in treasury 4,840

I have a question:

Does my declaration of finances count for this year or can I update it with the recrutements that I made on it? If so, my second year finances look like this:

INCOME: 34000 B


EXPENSES: 32630 B

Army: 24000 B
5100 Mamelouks: 20400 B
0 Mamelouks au pied: 0 B
30000 Soldats: 3000 B
2000 Archers: 600 B

Marine: 1200 B
30 Cog: 0 B
30 Knaar: 0 B
40 Schooner: 1200 B

RECRUTEMENT: 0 B
0 Mamelouks: 0 B
0 Mamelouks au pied: 0 B
0 Soldats: 0 B
0 Archers: 0 B
0 Cog: 0 B
0 Knaar: 0 B
0 Schooner: 0 B
CONSTRUCTION: 0 B
0 Citadelle: 0 B
0 Fortification: 0 B
0 Château: 0 B
0 Fort: 0 B

STATE EXPENSES: 3080 B [non-militaire]
Charité: 880 B
Dépenses Royales: 2200 B


RESERVE: 5720 B

RESERVE: 8,885 B [+ 3165 B from Year 1]

Year 1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12680155&postcount=278)

To answer your question, yes you can. They all look good to me folks, keep it up.

Alright, when I am done with school I shall give you a response and a thorough budget report.

INCOME: 30000 B
EXPENSES: 8600 B

Army: 8600 B
1400 Knights: 5600 B
3000 Men-at-Arms: 3000 B

Recruitment: 20000 B
10000 Men-at-Arms

Reserve: 1,400 B

I know it's rushed, but I'm also busy trying to catch up in-game.

I will post my yearly information soon as i am in a bit of a rush right now. I was starting to get dissapointed when i thought this Rp was DEAD for a minute because i and other Christian factions are held up waiting on the responce for Tripoli...but i noticed today that has come..

Expect my post soon, AND yearly stats..

Thank you

I’m a little busy right now so I will not write this out in fully form. Basically I am pulling in 25,200 Gold Bezants annually. I am spending 25,000 on maintaining my present army, as is necessary, and have saved up everything else. Thus far, I have saved 400 Gold Bezants in all.

Sorry for not posting yesterday like I said I would. When I got into work, I found that I was being sent on an overnight trip. Just got back, and wifey is packing for a wild weekend. I may be able to post something over the weekend, but not sure. So, Byz and friends, if you want to go ahead and post an attack on Gorigos, go ahead. Your'e probably gonna kick my ass anyway because my reinforcements won't get there in time. I'll have to retreat and fight another day.

[NS]Corbournne, for times sake and the fact that I'm lazy, lets pass up the small talk and just lay it out here:

Trade between us: You've got it. No problem.

Mutual Protection Pact: You've got it. But its not binding and we can back out any time.

Now its about time Betrand got back and started talking to his own barons and speaking with the King who will be wanting to know all about your visit to Damascus.

Wow whats happened.....where has everybody gone to?

Wow whats happened.....where has everybody gone to?

I'm still here, just busy.

Wow whats happened.....where has everybody gone to?

Couldn't post this weekend, was visiting folks. Back now, post up today sometime.

Mutual Protection Pact: You've got it. But its not binding and we can back out any time.

As long as it's the same for us.

And I'm forming up an IC post right now.

Cool, NS, cool.

@ Everyone: This week is hell for everyone. I understand that. I have a graduation to attend and a 2nd WWII reenactment show to put on. Everyone is doing something, so bear with me and soldier on.

Cool, NS, cool.

@ Everyone: This week is hell for everyone. I understand that. I have a graduation to attend and a 2nd WWII reenactment show to put on. Everyone is doing something, so bear with me and soldier on.

Damn straight. People have waited on me before, so I have no problems doing it for others. RL trumps NS.

so it really isn't just me...

I'll be making posts tomorrow.