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A conflict this big really needs this thread.


If you are going to declare war, do so in this thread. No more threads.


Thread Directory:

Here are the various threads about this war:

March of the Hatarian Empire (ATTN Demon 666) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521334)

Shalrirorchia/Maldorians Super War Exchange Extravaganza! (OOC) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522526)

March of the Hatarian Empire Side Story: Shalrirorchia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522430)

Shalrirorchians Request Support (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522427)

Mandrivia Declares War on Maldorians (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522443)

The Imperial Empire of Maldorians Declares War on Shalrirorchia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522306)

Declaration of War on the Shalrirorchia (Tynish Dynasty) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522444)

The Great Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522863)

March of the Hatarian Empire - Need replies to your posts? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524892)

Hataria asks for Cease Fire and Peace Talks (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525092)

The Wrath of an Empire (OOC) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525324)

The Wrath of an Empire (IC) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525325)

The Strategic Bombing of Hataria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525335)

Bounties placed on the heads of Hatarian officials (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524985)


Sides:
So, so far on sides we have (in order of arrival):

Aggressors:
Hataria (North China, South China)
Maldorians (NC)
Route1 - Maldorian puppet (NC)

Defenders:
Demon 666 (North China)
Ezaltia (South China)
Shalrirorchia (NC)
The PeoplesFreedom (NC)
Amazonian Beasts (NC)
Wilhelmsborough (NC)
Shazbotdom (Shazbotdom)
Tocrowkia (?)
Siriusa (South China)
Rotten Bacon (?)
Crazed Marines (North China)
Wanderjar (North China)
Atopiana (North China)
Skgorria (North China)


Aggressor supporters:
Buddha C (Maldorians)

Defender supporters:
Brydog (Demon 666)
The Northern Baltic (Demon 666)
Dontgonearthere (Demon 666, Shalrirorchia)
Asgarnieu (Demon 666, Ezaltia, Shalrirorchia)
Crazed Marines (Demon 666)
Gurguvungunit (Shalrirorchia)
Evil Gopher Eaters (Shalrirorchia)
Dragonicale (Shalrirorchia)
McPsychoville (Shalrirorchia)
1st Peacekeepers** (Shalrirorchia)
Wilhelmsborough (Shalrirorchia)
Kampfers (Shalrirorchia)
The Silver Sky (Shalrirorchia)
Void Templar (Shalrirorichia)
Angaor (Sharirorchia)
United Kingdom2 (Shalrirorchia)
Northern Colonies (General)

Nations below 500 million in population are marked with a * for clarification. Less than 50 million is marked with **. I didn't bother to mark the supporters, because for them population matters less than for the militant nations.

The lists of "aggressors" and "defenders" are nations that have declared war/have made military action. As nations declare war, they will be added to the list. The theatre that the militant nations is in the parentheses next to the nation. NC stands for "No Combat," which implies that the nations are currently not in a direct conflict with the enemy (i.e. shooting).

The supporters list either are lending diplomatic, economic, or military aid. Some on the supporters list may not be actual supporters of the overall cause, but rather just supporting one nation. Inside the parentheses is what said nation supports.

If there are any incosistencies, please alert me. Also if you would like a better name for your side than just "aggressor" or "defender," feel free to let me now. Those current names are purely temporary. The reason thay are that is based on the original conflict where Hataria invaded Demon 666. The groups were then organized thus. I'm also open to suggestions as to what to include in this post, so don't hesitate to let me know what you think.

Adding me to the 'aggressors' list is a bit misleading considering Axis Nova entered this war to defend Hataria from a Shalrirorchian invasion. In addition Hataria is invading Demon 666 and thus should not be listed with him.

Also, to set the record straight, Axis Nova is -not- allied with Maldorians or any of those other people that are helping Hataria. They're Hatarian allies (presumably), so they won't be shot at or whatever, but Axis Nova has no real diplomatic ties with any of them. There is no "official" alliance for any of this other than Axis Nova's defense pact with Hataria.

Adding me to the 'aggressors' list is a bit misleading considering Axis Nova entered this war to defend Hataria from a Shalrirorchian invasion. In addition Hataria is invading Demon 666 and thus should not be listed with him.

Also, to set the record straight, Axis Nova is -not- allied with Maldorians or any of those other people that are helping Hataria. They're Hatarian allies (presumably), so they won't be shot at or whatever, but Axis Nova has no real diplomatic ties with any of them. There is no "official" alliance for any of this other than Axis Nova's defense pact with Hataria.

Well, he's basicallu just drawing the lines. I assume he called them "Aggressors" and "Defenders" because of the original Hataria-Demon666 attack, in which Hataria was the aggressor.

Well, he's basicallu just drawing the lines. I assume he called them "Aggressors" and "Defenders" because of the original Hataria-Demon666 attack, in which Hataria was the aggressor.

I suppose you could go with what they called them in the other OOC thread (Allied Powers and Imperial Powers, "Aggressors" being the latter and "Defenders" being the former), or some other however arbitrary terms, so long as everyone aggrees upon them.

Mark me down as a Defender Supporter, because once I get the chance, I will come to the aid of Shalrirorchia.

I suppose you could go with what they called them in the other OOC thread (Allied Powers and Imperial Powers, "Aggressors" being the latter and "Defenders" being the former), or some other however arbitrary terms, so long as everyone aggrees upon them.

I think "Entente" and "Axis" would do well.

Adding me to the 'aggressors' list is a bit misleading considering Axis Nova entered this war to defend Hataria from a Shalrirorchian invasion. In addition Hataria is invading Demon 666 and thus should not be listed with him.

Also, to set the record straight, Axis Nova is -not- allied with Maldorians or any of those other people that are helping Hataria. They're Hatarian allies (presumably), so they won't be shot at or whatever, but Axis Nova has no real diplomatic ties with any of them. There is no "official" alliance for any of this other than Axis Nova's defense pact with Hataria.

Well, this thread was realy made just to see who was fighting who. However, you have come in supporting Hataria (who was an aggressor) and bearing hostilities to the defenders. Thus I feel I have rightly grouped you in the aggressor side, although if you leave the war, switch sides, or some other event of that nature happens, I will remove you from the list.

Mark me down as a Defender Supporter, because once I get the chance, I will come to the aid of Shalrirorchia.

Alrighty, you're on the list.

Look at the thread where Maldovia *Whatever his name is* declares war on me...Some people joined the "aggressors"

Maldorians: Thanks, I updated that.

And Greston from Shalrirorchia's thread has been added to the list too.


All: Also in the OP you can now find any links to the threads that relate to this conflict, for your convenience. If any new threads are posted, post them here and I'll add them to the directory. When I come back and if this war is still picking up steam, I'll add links to all of the nations.

Maldorians: Thanks, I updated that.

And Greston from Shalrirorchia's thread has been added to the list too.


All: Also in the OP you can now find any links to the threads that relate to this conflict, for your convenience. If any new threads are posted, post them here and I'll add them to the directory. When I come back and if this war is still picking up steam, I'll add links to all of the nations.

Ok, nice job fixing this up...

OOC:
I'm sorry but I have to object to Maldorians pulling in one of his puppets into this. If he can pull a puppet into this then what's stopping others from doing the same?

I'm asking that him get rid of his puppet of Route1 from this RP.

I'm off to San Francisco, will be back on SUnday evening. See you guys then.

OOC:
I'm sorry but I have to object to Maldorians pulling in one of his puppets into this. If he can pull a puppet into this then what's stopping others from doing the same?

I'm asking that him get rid of his puppet of Route1 from this RP.

It is only 1...

It is still puppet wanking.

OOC:
Yes. And if he allows one, what's to stop say me from bringing in one of my puppets (all over 3 billion large)? Or someone else (an 03 nation) bringing in one of theirs thats almost equal to their main nation size?

Puppet wanking is still puppet wanking reguardless.

Ok...

So what can The Peoples Freedom do for y'all?

It is only 1...

I agree. The list is already complex enough without having to keep track of this (mind you, I have a vested interest as I have no puppets myself).

OOC:
I'm sorry but I have to object to Maldorians pulling in one of his puppets into this. If he can pull a puppet into this then what's stopping others from doing the same?

I'm asking that him get rid of his puppet of Route1 from this RP.

I have to agree with this. Puppet wank has no place in this RP.

Adding me to the 'aggressors' list is a bit misleading considering Axis Nova entered this war to defend Hataria from a Shalrirorchian invasion. In addition Hataria is invading Demon 666 and thus should not be listed with him.

Also, to set the record straight, Axis Nova is -not- allied with Maldorians or any of those other people that are helping Hataria. They're Hatarian allies (presumably), so they won't be shot at or whatever, but Axis Nova has no real diplomatic ties with any of them. There is no "official" alliance for any of this other than Axis Nova's defense pact with Hataria.

Shalrirorchia, on the other hand, was not planning an invasion of Hataria. They WERE interdicting Hatarian shipping in response to Hataria's invasion of Demon, but they had no intention of actually boarding a Hatarian ship or firing on one. Hataria responded by unilaterally extending its' territorial waters to include the Shalrirorchian battlegroup, and then they attacked and destroyed the bulk of it. So in this sense, Shalrirorchia -reacted- to Hataria.

Btw, I posted this on one of the IC threads, but I realized that it truely applies to all involved. Lookie:

"As the Errikan government has not declared any official position on the subject, aside from condemnation of the attack on Maldorians, Errikan private interests are free to deal with any involved party, aside from, perhaps, the party that was initially condemned.

The Errikan markets include agricultural products, which feeds that which an army marches upon, as well as iron and blood: military supplies of all sorts, provided in large quantities for very low prices by Weapson, and a deep pool of mercenaries, from skilled but not quite cheap Errikans to more inexpensive but less competant others. These could be valuable assets to any fighting force; if anyone is interested, please respond."

OOC: Shalrirochia, you didn't respond to my proposal for a formal alliance for at least among us three.

Mark me down as a Defender Supporter, because once I get the chance, I will come to the aid of Shalrirorchia.

Shalrirorchia would like to thank Wilhelmsborough for its' assistance in this grave matter. If there is anything Shalrirorchia can provide to assist Wilhelmsborough in its' endeavours, please feel free to pose the request.

OOC: Shalrirochia, you didn't respond to my proposal for a formal alliance for at least among us three.

OOC- Sorry. This is all getting very confusing, and I am having some difficulty in keeping up. If I miss anybody, just slap me and I will make good the deficiency forthwith.

By all means! Let us join in a formal alliance. But I do not know what we might call this arrangement, or what obligations will be owed. Do you have ideas?

OOC- Sorry. This is all getting very confusing, and I am having some difficulty in keeping up. If I miss anybody, just slap me and I will make good the deficiency forthwith.

By all means! Let us join in a formal alliance. But I do not know what we might call this arrangement, or what obligations will be owed. Do you have ideas?

OCC: Do you want my help?

Well, earlier, I suggested that you and Ezaltia send your ambassadors to Amor so we can work it out. Anyone willing to fight on our side can also send theirs.
I should make another thread, but right now I'm working on my IC post, so that will have to wait.

OCC: Do you want my help?

Indeed. I will repost from the other thread.
First off, welcome.:)

Second, what has provoked you ICly to get involved with the U.S.S. conflict?

Third, where do you see yourself doing the most good? I currently am fighting a front in the Tynish Dynasty. Presumably Hataria and Axis are going to invade mainland Shalrirorchia in the near future. A third major front is being waged between Hataria and Demon 666.

Indeed. I will repost from the other thread.
First off, welcome.:)

Second, what has provoked you ICly to get involved with the U.S.S. conflict?

Third, where do you see yourself doing the most good? I currently am fighting a front in the Tynish Dynasty. Presumably Hataria and Axis are going to invade mainland Shalrirorchia in the near future. A third major front is being waged between Hataria and Demon 666.

I posted answers in the IC thread, feel free to put your response here, mate

I may as well re-post this

On-Line Transcript Dated 23/2/06

Order-In-Council by the Supreme Governor of the Colonies

[Jonathan O'Brien]

[Great Seal of the Northern Colonies]

WHEREAS under the Supreme Governor's Prerogative, all declarations of war are to be passed under the name of His Most Excellency, Colonel Jonathan O'Brien, by the will of the People, Supreme Governor of the Colonies and her other Territories and Colonies, Guardian of the Constitution, Defender of Colonial Peoples

AND WHEREAS Under Section 2(3) of the War and Military Action Act 1949, Parliament will have control over the allocation, resources of war material.

NOW, under powers given to me by the Supreme Governor's Prerogative, I, Colonel Jonathan O'Brien, by the will of the People, Supreme Governor of the Colonies and her other Territories and Colonies, Guardian of the Constitution, Defender of Colonial Peoples with the advice and consent of my Privy Council DO HEREBY DECLARE, DIRECT AND ORDAIN as follows:

1. That necessary force by used to repress all Hatarian aggressive action ¬– Aggressive action is defined as such:
• Any action that interferes with the sovereignty of the Federation of Northern Colonies, its Territories and Colonies
• Any action that interferes with the sovereignty of other nations
• Any action that contravenes against human rights; as defined by the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen

2. That the necessary resources will be give under a bill of the Parliament of the Federation of Northern Colonies – As defined under Section (2)3 of the War and Military Action Act 1949

Given by my authority and passed under the Great Seal of the Northern Colonies

By His Most Excellency’s Command,

[John Anderson]
John Anderson
Prime Minister of the Federation of Northern Colonies

This is an OOC thread, no need to post IC stuff here. I noticed your announcement just fine, I'm just not paying much attention to it.

Like Ezaltia, I'll be gone for the weekend, so this thread will remain unchanged for that time. However, when I come back I'll fix up everything that is posted in this thread.

What would make my life easier is if you see a declaration of war, support, etc. pertaining to this war, put the link to it here.

Thanks, and see you Sunday.

This is an OOC thread, no need to post IC stuff here. I noticed your announcement just fine, I'm just not paying much attention to it.

Yea i know, but it was easier then to make a OOC post :P

So, who else around here happens to want some shiney toys?
I'll happily sell to both sides, but of course the ones partaking of offensive action wont get such good prices as the defenders.
Anyway, tanks, guns, missiles, artillery, ships, you name it, I have a lovely Soviet/Russian version of it, reasonably priced and waiting for a new owner. Arrangements for IC contact can be made here, of course.

So, who else around here happens to want some shiney toys?
I'll happily sell to both sides, but of course the ones partaking of offensive action wont get such good prices as the defenders.
Anyway, tanks, guns, missiles, artillery, ships, you name it, I have a lovely Soviet/Russian version of it, reasonably priced and waiting for a new owner. Arrangements for IC contact can be made here, of course.

I'd be interested, but it would have to be at a later date because I'm going away this weekend.

Btw, I posted this on one of the IC threads, but I realized that it truely applies to all involved. Lookie:

"As the Errikan government has not declared any official position on the subject, aside from condemnation of the attack on Maldorians, Errikan private interests are free to deal with any involved party, aside from, perhaps, the party that was initially condemned.

The Errikan markets include agricultural products, which feeds that which an army marches upon, as well as iron and blood: military supplies of all sorts, provided in large quantities for very low prices by Weapson, and a deep pool of mercenaries, from skilled but not quite cheap Errikans to more inexpensive but less competant others. These could be valuable assets to any fighting force; if anyone is interested, please respond."

Another, slightly more wordy, offer that I would like to remind you all of. :D

OOC:

Hataria has just made a post about this new Radar of his. Apparently it has a range of 4,000 miles, and has an anti-jamming and an anti-stealth system. It is used by the fleet which is heading for Shalrirorchia.

Guys, is this kind of technology viable? Are you willing to believe that a tracking device like this exists? It must require a massive intake of power to keep it running. How does it affect other electrical systems? This Radar isn't on a hill pointing out to sea. It's out at sea in the middle of a fleet. Such power must have some adverse affects on other electrical systems.

And another thing: how does one fit a Radar system that powerful on board a ship? I could believe a land based version, but a ship? I can't imagine all the hardware that would go into it. It would probably require its own ship design, or at least a ship that's been heavily modified to accomidate it.

One last thing: At close range, aren't Radar emissions hazardous to the human body? After all, Radar uses high pulses of electromagnetic fields. They have the potention to damage tissue and organs, and possibly cause cancer and damage to the brain. You'd be exposing many of your sailers to a great deal of radiation with this device. What would happen to those men when they go home to their families? Would they get ill too? Could it kill them?

I can see why you'd want to protect your fleet from harm, but I can't see why you'd risk harming the crew that runs it in the process.

So, who else around here happens to want some shiney toys?
I'll happily sell to both sides, but of course the ones partaking of offensive action wont get such good prices as the defenders.
Anyway, tanks, guns, missiles, artillery, ships, you name it, I have a lovely Soviet/Russian version of it, reasonably priced and waiting for a new owner. Arrangements for IC contact can be made here, of course.

While we are fine for the moment, we are interested in supplies of iron and grain. We are willing to pay for such with gold mined in our Siberian provinces.

Wilhelmsborough: Wow, Hataria makes a god weapon/device. Incredible surprise.

I'd be interested, but it would have to be at a later date because I'm going away this weekend.

I'll keep that in mind.

While we are fine for the moment, we are interested in supplies of iron and grain. We are willing to pay for such with gold mined in our Siberian provinces.

Wilhelmsborough: Wow, Hataria makes a god weapon/device. Incredible surprise.

We have plenty of grain and rice, as well as large amounts of iron.

BTW, did you get my telegram? If not, you've got 5,000 Sunburn anti-ship missiles headed your way with my compliments.


OOC:

Hataria has just made a post about this new Radar of his. Apparently it has a range of 4,000 miles, and has an anti-jamming and an anti-stealth system. It is used by the fleet which is heading for Shalrirorchia.

Guys, is this kind of technology viable? Are you willing to believe that a tracking device like this exists? It must require a massive intake of power to keep it running. How does it affect other electrical systems? This Radar isn't on a hill pointing out to sea. It's out at sea in the middle of a fleet. Such power must have some adverse affects on other electrical systems.

And another thing: how does one fit a Radar system that powerful on board a ship? I could believe a land based version, but a ship? I can't imagine all the hardware that would go into it. It would probably require its own ship design, or at least a ship that's been heavily modified to accomidate it.

One last thing: At close range, aren't Radar emissions hazardous to the human body? After all, Radar uses high pulses of electromagnetic fields. They have the potention to damage tissue and organs, and possibly cause cancer and damage to the brain. You'd be exposing many of your sailers to a great deal of radiation with this device. What would happen to those men when they go home to their families? Would they get ill too? Could it kill them?

I can see why you'd want to protect your fleet from harm, but I can't see why you'd risk harming the crew that runs it in the process.

This doenst seem so bad compared to Axis Nova's flying battleships, space-based drop pods, powered armour, and so forth. But thats just me.

OOC:
I personally think that what Axis Nova is using is a bit of a godmod. I may use that type of stuff for my PMT branch of my nation but as for MT, it's a bit too much.

And what Hataria is using with his new radar, it'd have to have a clear shot for that entire 4,000 range and with the curviture of a planet that is not possible at all. So i'd call godmodding on both.

Did you folks miss the part where both me and Hataria are PMT? I especially have been PMT basically forever.

Also I object to the characterization of my airships as 'flying battleships' as they are nowhere near as armored as a naval vessel and have no large calibre guns.

Also, I agree about the radar. The only things with that kind of range are massive ground-based OTH arrays.

Mark me down as an active "Defender", I pledged support in Shal's request for aid and may join Demon's front as well.

And ya'll: Axis Nova's airships have fairly easy counters, if you think about it.

Hey guys, I'm back from SF, currently catching up on this massive conflict. Sadly, due to the threat of nuclear and biological warfare from Hataria, I announce my unconditional surrender to the Axis powers.








APRIL FOOLS!

I'm back.

And Amazonian, you are now Defender and no longer "Defender Supporter."

Mark me down as an active "Defender", I pledged support in Shal's request for aid and may join Demon's front as well.

And ya'll: Axis Nova's airships have fairly easy counters, if you think about it.

Yeah, if Kahanistan was able to figure out ways to take them out with Soviet-era technology, other people should be able to figure out strategies as well. =p

Granted there have been a few upgrades since then. :)

...Hataria has a lunar base? O_o

...Hataria has a lunar base? O_o

Hataria is the NS equivalent of a James Bond villan, so I wouldn't be suprised if he has bases in any number of wierd places.

Hataria is the NS equivalent of a James Bond villan, so I wouldn't be suprised if he has bases in any number of wierd places.

Does he have a fuzzy white cat and a weird laugh?

Hataria is the NS equivalent of a James Bond villan, so I wouldn't be suprised if he has bases in any number of wierd places.

ROFL, thats an insult to all James Bond villain's.

Did you folks miss the part where both me and Hataria are PMT? I especially have been PMT basically forever.

Also I object to the characterization of my airships as 'flying battleships' as they are nowhere near as armored as a naval vessel and have no large calibre guns.

Also, I agree about the radar. The only things with that kind of range are massive ground-based OTH arrays.

Sorry. I havent been RPing on the MT scene for...uh...a few years.
*shrugs*
As long as Shal is fine with them, I dont mind.

Hataria is the NS equivalent of a James Bond villan, so I wouldn't be suprised if he has bases in any number of wierd places.

Well, that may be all well and good if this were a comic book or a shoddy pulp fiction novel, but Nationstates is none of these things. It's a nation simulator that allows people to wage wars on each other within the bounds of realism, with realistic consequences for actions.

Now, none of us may ever be able to fully simulate the affects and conditions of war, but what we can be assured of is that there is no Deus Ex Machina superweapon or strategy. And anyone has the potential to lose, at any given point in time, no matter how strong they are.

I don't particularly have a huge issue with it, as long as he keeps it realistic. However, his moon base does seem rather out there (no pun intended) and it would most likely cost at least half of his nation's budget to construct, so I'd have no problem with it if he's willing to RP his economy going down the tubes.

and Wilhemsborough: Well, you never know just what devious plan such an ingenious mind can come up with...
http://www.ceat.okstate.edu/people/images/Dr%20evil%202.jpg

and Wilhemsborough: Well, you never know just what devious plan such an ingenious mind can come up with...
http://www.ceat.okstate.edu/people/images/Dr%20evil%202.jpg


Dr Evil Reminds me of Dreadfire when he is Planning Something Big. I am Just glad that AMF isn't in this or We all Be dead.

Dr Evil Reminds me of Dreadfire when he is Planning Something Big. I am Just glad that AMF isn't in this or We all Be dead.

That "War on Slavery" thread sure was quite popular for a while. Dreadfire doesn't seem like a Dr. Evil kind of guy, he seems more like some bodybuilder in a high place in government. I wonder where I've seen that before... (http://gov.ca.gov/)

That "War on Slavery" thread sure was quite popular for a while. Dreadfire doesn't seem like a Dr. Evil kind of guy, he seems more like some bodybuilder in a high place in government. I wonder where I've seen that before... (http://gov.ca.gov/)

My waffle has just been ROFLed.

Also, Hataria....
The Hatarian Fleet had Continued to use CWIS against The enemy Missiles and had now started Useing a Longer Range Missile, the EM-767 Long Range Anti-Aircraft Missile. Its Range was very long at over 6,000 Miles. The Missiles were soon Targeted at the enemy Planes and Fired.

Dude, that's twice the length of the entire continental United States. If you could build this, it would be the size of an ICBM and no way could it hit any plane, much less small, fast-moving fighter.

In Space, 40 War Satellites Launched their Godrods (30 from Each Satellite) against the Ezaltian Fleet, The Hatarians Knew that The Fleet would not stand up to Godrods and that Ezaltia's Fleet would be destroyed.

You realize that ships are too small and mobile to be hit by godrods, yes? Also, what kind of satellite could hold 30 of them?

Siriusa, put me down as defender supporter

Large ships can be hit by godrods easier than small ones. Also, yeah, that long range antiaircraft missile is a bit ridiculous. Even my airships don't carry anything like that.

Also, a moon base isn't going to be so ridiculously expensive. The RL USA could build a decent one right now, and it's population and resources are a fraction of those of Hataria's.

Keep in mind the scale of things on NS.

Shalrirorchia would like to thank Wilhelmsborough for its' assistance in this grave matter. If there is anything Shalrirorchia can provide to assist Wilhelmsborough in its' endeavours, please feel free to pose the request.

You are quite welcome. We are glad to lend our assistance. We only ask that when the army lands, you provide an escort up to the northern coast.

Also, please consider joining the Spacewatchers Alliance.

And so it was decided that if the moon base could not be destroyed on its own, the entire moon would go.

The rest of us folks with lunar facilities wouldn't really be cool with that. :P

Hataria, about your moon base. I fail to see how This was the Most Protected area of Space ever.When you claim to only have a staff of 29 Sciensts and 190 StarTroopers.

Defensive systems, I presume.


Alright, now to talk up a few issues here that people seem to be having problems with.

1) Crazed Marines, you arn't going to be able to pull off a suprise invasion. The reason why is rather simple: you neglected to consider the possiblity that I provide information to Hataria from MY satellites (which I do). In the unlikely event that you was able to completely overpower my SDI network and take down all my satellites, that would still leave all the high-altitude radar aerostats floating around the entire region Hataria is in, which would provide plenty of warning. Not to mention patrols and so forth.

2) Siriusa, you'll note the claims for infeasability of the T-90EX are only coming from one or two people, and I find it rather specious you wish to ignore it while allowing Crazed Marines to bring in "low FT" stuff. It is a fairly generic main battle tank in terms of capabilities, after all.

3) On that subject, Crazed Marines, research threads mean nothing. Just because you typed a lot of technobabble about something doesn't mean it's valid.

Defensive systems, I presume.


Alright, now to talk up a few issues here that people seem to be having problems with.

1) Crazed Marines, you arn't going to be able to pull off a suprise invasion. The reason why is rather simple: you neglected to consider the possiblity that I provide information to Hataria from MY satellites (which I do). In the unlikely event that you was able to completely overpower my SDI network and take down all my satellites, that would still leave all the high-altitude radar aerostats floating around the entire region Hataria is in, which would provide plenty of warning. Not to mention patrols and so forth.

2) Siriusa, you'll note the claims for infeasability of the T-90EX are only coming from one or two people, and I find it rather specious you wish to ignore it while allowing Crazed Marines to bring in "low FT" stuff. It is a fairly generic main battle tank in terms of capabilities, after all.

3) On that subject, Crazed Marines, research threads mean nothing. Just because you typed a lot of technobabble about something doesn't mean it's valid.

Thank you for pointing out Crazed Marines's FTing, as that does seem slightly unfair. However, I assume that you and Hataria (two powerful PMT nations) would have no problem bringing him down. If the defending group of MT nations can resist a PMT nation, then there's no reason a pair of PMT nations can't hold their wn against a FT nation, especially nations of your size and stature.

So, I assume it would be fair that if I ignore the improbability of the ability of that tank to function (After all, you ARE PMT, so there's a chance you're able to make such a tank possible), you will ignore Crazed Marines's FTing. But that's to a certain point of course, I wouldn't ask you to allow him to just destroy a planet, and I'm sure you wouldn't ask me to let said tank fire nukes (both very unlikely situations, but you get my point).

And Crazed Marines: Please try to keep everything within reason. PMT would be much preferred to avoid a large technological gap between the nations, and also to keep everything more fair and fun for everybody here.

Well, The 50.0 Weight is in Tons, Same as The World War II German King tank, The Terror of The German Panzer Divisions that only the US Sherman Tank and Russian Missile Artillery could stop.

Hataria, about your moon base. I fail to see how When you claim to only have a staff of


mainly The Anti-Missile Satellites around Earth can know out any enemy Missile heading for The Moon and if that fails, Anti-Satellite and Anti Balistic Missile Defenses will stop it.

Well, The 50.0 Weight is in Tons, Same as The World War II German King tank, The Terror of The German Panzer Divisions that only the US Sherman Tank and Russian Missile Artillery could stop.

OCC: I am sorry, but that statement is completly wrong.

Well, The 50.0 Weight is in Tons, Same as The World War II German King tank, The Terror of The German Panzer Divisions that only the US Sherman Tank and Russian Missile Artillery could stop.

The King Tiger weighed ~68 tonnes, while the Tiger weighed ~57 tonnes. The Sherman could not penetrate either of those tanks frontally with the original gun, and although the British Firefly upgrade could penetrate, IIRC the German 88mm could penetrate from a longer distance. I think even the American 76mm upgrades had trouble competing against either model of the Tiger tank. I think the only real American tank which could compete against the Tiger was the Persing, but there were not enough introduced and they had even worse mobility AFAIK. The Tiger was outclassed (well, depends who's telling the story), or at least matched, by the Soviet IS-1 and IS-2, while the Soviet response to the King Tiger was the IS-2/3 (the third of which did not see combat). It's been awhile since I've studied tanks of that era.

It's safe to say that the Soviets had superior tanks to the Americans, at the time, and that the Americans didn't have much which could compete against the King Tiger. Hell, even German Panzer IV Ausf. Hs could compete with the Sherman tank.

The King Tiger weighed ~68 tonnes, while the Tiger weighed ~57 tonnes. The Sherman could not penetrate either of those tanks frontally with the original gun, and although the British Firefly upgrade could penetrate, IIRC the German 88mm could penetrate from a longer distance. I think even the American 76mm upgrades had trouble competing against either model of the Tiger tank. I think the only real American tank which could compete against the Tiger was the Persing, but there were not enough introduced and they had even worse mobility AFAIK. The Tiger was outclassed (well, depends who's telling the story), or at least matched, by the Soviet IS-1 and IS-2, while the Soviet response to the King Tiger was the IS-2/3 (the third of which did not see combat). It's been awhile since I've studied tanks of that era.

It's safe to say that the Soviets had superior tanks to the Americans, at the time, and that the Americans didn't have much which could compete against the King Tiger. Hell, even German Panzer IV Ausf. Hs could compete with the Sherman tank.

You are correct, I study WW2 tanks quit heavily. However the Tiger tanks, especially the II were both mechanically unreliable and expensive. For the price of one, I believe you could purchase five Panzer IV.

You are correct, I study WW2 tanks quit heavily. However the Tiger tanks, especially the II were both mechanically unreliable and expensive. For the price of one, I believe you could purchase five Panzer IV.

I was getting back into it as I began to write on German tanks for Wikipedia, but I haven't written for Wikipedia in a while. The T-26 article was featured, and I was working on the Panzer I which is mostly done (needs some copy editing). Never got onto anything else.

I was getting back into it as I began to write on German tanks for Wikipedia, but I haven't written for Wikipedia in a while. The T-26 article was featured, and I was working on the Panzer I which is mostly done (needs some copy editing). Never got onto anything else.

Yep. In fact, American High Command recommended a ratio of 5 Shermans against one Panther, I believe it was higher for the Tiger. In fact, the Tiger II was so good in a defensive position, it "took" 10 Sherman's. The 88mm gun could make kills at over 2000 meters, regularly. The Sherman's had to get into around a 100m range flanking position to make a kill, I think.

Well, The 50.0 Weight is in Tons, Same as The World War II German King tank, The Terror of The German Panzer Divisions that only the US Sherman Tank and Russian Missile Artillery could stop.

(snorts)
Ahaha...Im sorry, I just find this statement quite funny.

The King Tiger weighed ~68 tonnes, while the Tiger weighed ~57 tonnes. The Sherman could not penetrate either of those tanks frontally with the original gun, and although the British Firefly upgrade could penetrate, IIRC the German 88mm could penetrate from a longer distance. I think even the American 76mm upgrades had trouble competing against either model of the Tiger tank. I think the only real American tank which could compete against the Tiger was the Persing, but there were not enough introduced and they had even worse mobility AFAIK. The Tiger was outclassed (well, depends who's telling the story), or at least matched, by the Soviet IS-1 and IS-2, while the Soviet response to the King Tiger was the IS-2/3 (the third of which did not see combat). It's been awhile since I've studied tanks of that era.

It's safe to say that the Soviets had superior tanks to the Americans, at the time, and that the Americans didn't have much which could compete against the King Tiger. Hell, even German Panzer IV Ausf. Hs could compete with the Sherman tank.


Ok.

I like the way Hataria can reply to an essay about tanks by using only 2 letters. It's concise.

Yep. In fact, American High Command recommended a ratio of 5 Shermans against one Panther, I believe it was higher for the Tiger. In fact, the Tiger II was so good in a defensive position, it "took" 10 Sherman's. The 88mm gun could make kills at over 2000 meters, regularly. The Sherman's had to get into around a 100m range flanking position to make a kill, I think.

Using the 76mm M1 gun the Sherman could penetrate the frontal armor of the Tiger tank at 500m. I'm, unfortunately, not sure which rounds were available during the Second World War. I'm basing this off this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76_mm_gun_M1) table, which I assume is correct due to the sources provided. Unfortunately, I don't own the Osprey Sherman title (of all the Ospreys I own).

Using the 76mm M1 gun the Sherman could penetrate the frontal armor of the Tiger tank at 500m. I'm, unfortunately, not sure which rounds were available during the Second World War. I'm basing this off this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76_mm_gun_M1) table, which I assume is correct due to the sources provided. Unfortunately, I don't own the Osprey Sherman title (of all the Ospreys I own).

This is using the 76mm High Velocity gun, I believe the 75mm was less so inclined to hurt our Tiger.

This is using the 76mm High Velocity gun, I believe the 75mm was less so inclined to hurt our Tiger.

I know, but how many M4A4s were there by late 1944?

It's worth noting that the real T-90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90) weighs less than 50 tons. You can save a lot of weight by simply making a tank smaller.

I know, but how many M4A4s were there by late 1944?
Quite a lot, the 76mm was used after Allies found out how lethal Panther was... They were rapidly upgraded of course.

It's worth noting that the real T-90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90) weighs less than 50 tons. You can save a lot of weight by simply making a tank smaller.

If you are referring to the "T-90EX" (by comparing it to the T-90), it's weight is completely unrealistic; the volume and size are unrealistic. For what you are adding into the tank the volume of the tank would have to be larger than that of the T-90. It's unfortunate that this issue was not addressed, even though I brought it up, in the T-90EX thread.

Although, according to some online sources, each case in the casette autoloader was elongated to hold longer ammunition (thus a longer penetrator), the problem still exists that the length is handicapped by the length of the breech. The gun already suffers from depreciation problems, and lengthening the breech would handicap its movement even further. Although you reduced the size of the gun to 90mm that doesn't take into account the increased volume required for the power (this ultra technology of yours, or not, which was never justified except by placing the burden of proof upon somebody not even relevant to the argument) - not to mention all the other systems included.

Have you, by chance, seen the renders of the Panther Model F?

The Panther *II?

Also check TGS if you would please, I aksed you a question :)

I havent seen a render, only a few mockup pics.

Quite a lot, the 76mm was used after Allies found out how lethal Panther was... They were rapidly upgraded of course.

Have you, by chance, seen the renders of the Panther Model F?

The Panther *II?

Also check TGS if you would please, I aksed you a question :)

I havent seen a render, only a few mockup pics.

Nah, the Panther Ausf. F was a general upgrade of the Panther series. I have a render uploaded, but my server doesn't really work. Let me see if I can get on another free image server.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3423/modelfiw4.gif

IIRC, there were some sample turrets manufactured, but never the full tank - the production plant was overrun by the Red Army in early 1945. It was going to be armed by the KwK 42/1 L/70 gun (modified version of the original KwK 42 on the Panther). The glacis plate was to be uparmored to a maximum of 40mm (the minimum thickness was increased from 16mm to 25mm), with improved casting. The main difference, as you can see from the render, is the new turret (narrow mantlet turret). The new turret had a frontal armor protection rating of 40-150mm, as opposed to the 16-100mm on the Model G. Apparently, some Model G turrets were mated with the Model F chassis in late April.

I see, I found what you were talking about, indeed, you were right about the turrets. http://www.geocities.com/desertfox1891/pzpanther/pzpanther-F.html

Ok, I have just now gotten into this thread and let me say a few things

1) I am FT in normal RP. However I am using a medium-rare PMT military/low FT nation on this one (space colonies holding people, but no regular spaceships or space fighters, military on one big island around the Caribbeans.

2) I am not expecting to successfully invade under surprise conditions. I knew somebody else would give him information. You'll see something about this later.

3) I should have clarified this earlier. In order to service my satellites you have to remove the weapons section (saves on reloading times for satellites). There's also a self-destruct on a separate radio and detonation system as well as detonation sensors. You hack 'em and they go boom (still worth trying though because it accomplishes the same ends). And yes, soft hacking will work but take time.

4) Hataria, please respond to the request of a diplomatic envoy. This will prove useful to both of us.

5) I call bull on the radar/missile shield. If you spotted it from satellites, that's one thing, but RADAR on RAM (Radar absorbing material) and a plasma shield (russians tried it, it worked) I'm going to have to say that's not right. I would allow at least one out of three targets to be destroyed/badly damaged. Now its only 1 out of every 471 are hitting their targets. That's rather impressive considering the human element is prone to screwing up.

That "War on Slavery" thread sure was quite popular for a while. Dreadfire doesn't seem like a Dr. Evil kind of guy, he seems more like some bodybuilder in a high place in government. I wonder where I've seen that before... (http://gov.ca.gov/)

My waffle has just been ROFLed.

Also, Hataria....
The Hatarian Fleet had Continued to use CWIS against The enemy Missiles and had now started Useing a Longer Range Missile, the EM-767 Long Range Anti-Aircraft Missile. Its Range was very long at over 6,000 Miles. The Missiles were soon Targeted at the enemy Planes and Fired.

Dude, that's twice the length of the entire continental United States. If you could build this, it would be the size of an ICBM and no way could it hit any plane, much less small, fast-moving fighter.

In Space, 40 War Satellites Launched their Godrods (30 from Each Satellite) against the Ezaltian Fleet, The Hatarians Knew that The Fleet would not stand up to Godrods and that Ezaltia's Fleet would be destroyed.

You realize that ships are too small and mobile to be hit by godrods, yes? Also, what kind of satellite could hold 30 of them?

*cough*

You may wish to consider that a full-scale strategic strike such as that you are currently attempting will logically open you up to massive retaliation on the part of Hataria and myself, especially since you are using ICBMs-- there is no way to tell the difference between one that is nuclear-armed and one that is not, after all.

And by "massive retaliation", I mean "NBC weapons".

Ok, I have just now gotten into this thread and let me say a few things

5) I call bull on the radar/missile shield. If you spotted it from satellites, that's one thing, but RADAR on RAM (Radar absorbing material) and a plasma shield (russians tried it, it worked) I'm going to have to say that's not right. I would allow at least one out of three targets to be destroyed/badly damaged. Now its only 1 out of every 471 are hitting their targets. That's rather impressive considering the human element is prone to screwing up.

My Radar is like Axis Nova's HSDEADGEAR system (Ask AN about it.), the stealthy missiles can be tracked anyways, due to the radar system being able to detect the 'holes' where radar returns arn't being detected so even your near Stealth Missiles will be found.

and also Anti-Missile Satellites don't Nead Radar to find a Incoming ICBM, that is The only known way of Seeing a Missile with a Plasma Shield (The Russians fond that out too.)

Axis, what is the point of WMD, you realize of course, that all of our combied WMD's arsenal outweigh yours. I think my 70,000 warheads will show that.

(Whisltes innocently as several oversized ICBM's are winched into place behind him)

My Radar is like Axis Nova's HSDEADGEAR system (Ask AN about it.), the stealthy missiles can be tracked anyways, due to the radar system being able to detect the 'holes' where radar returns arn't being detected so even your near Stealth Missiles will be found.


Dude, radar doesn't work that way. It's not a blanket, it's a series of waves. It only returns when it hits something, so everything is a "hole" except for the spots where the waves are bounced back.

Axis, what is the point of WMD, you realize of course, that all of our combied WMD's arsenal outweigh yours. I think my 70,000 warheads will show that.

I don't need many WMDs when I have access to advanced bioweapons and kinetic projectiles tossed from my natural resource satellite.

Nemesis-9X can kill any carbon-based lifeform and spreads like wildfire, and no city will last long against a 50 meter diameter iron sphere being dropped on it at orbital velocities.

It's not numbers that matter, it's capabilities. I chose to develop bioweapons and make use of an offshoot of my space industries as a deterrent, rather than spending huge amounts of money on maintaining a nuclear arsenal, and instead poured all the money that could have been spent developing nukes into one of the most advanced SDI systems on nationstates.

Regardless what you folks throw, I'm fairly confident I could come out of it more or less intact, whereas you would all assuredly be much worse off than I.

That being said, I'm threatening Crazed Marines, not the rest of you. None of you have done anything to merit a strategic counterstrike at this time, and no nation can allow a full strategic launch to occur against it without responding as that simply invites more of them.

So rest assured that if Crazed Marines is attempting this attack, he will surely not live to regret it, and neither will any of you should you attempt to aid him in such an attack.

Really? This Nemisis-9X can kill Horseshoe crabs?

Oh my god, don't tell me your one of the people who believe your stupid little SDI is the best. If you think you are the only one with chemical weapons, think again. Plus when the majority of your nukes are fifty megatons or more...

OCC: Also, according to some of these calculators, in fact, all but one, I have a larger defense budget than you.

Oh my god, don't tell me your one of the people who believe your stupid little SDI is the best. If you think you are the only one with chemical weapons, think again. Plus when the majority of your nukes are fifty megatons or more...

Indeed.
One must wonder what kind of SDI system can take out, say, 10,000 or so high end MIRV, assuming, say, five warheads per MIRV (assuming only a partial deployment, for whatever reason). Thats a lot of bits of metal falling out of the sky.
Even IF you destroy the missiles, its still going to be raining radioactive bits of metal for some time.

Oh my god, don't tell me your one of the people who believe your stupid little SDI is the best. If you think you are the only one with chemical weapons, think again. Plus when the majority of your nukes are fifty megatons or more...

*snerk* So, the majority of your nuclear weapons are only capable of being carried by aircraft, or are in missiles that are going to be so large that they'll be exceptionally easy to shoot down?

The US and the USSR rely on MIRVs instead of large single nuclear weapons for a reason, one you seem to have missed.

And I said "one of the best", not "the best". There's always someone with something better.

Also, my SDI system is neither 'little' nor 'stupid'. It's a highly advanced multi-layer system, and without knowing the details about it, you are not qualified to have an opinion on it.

I understand you're threatening me. Just know bioweapons like that would burn themselves out before they reached the colonies, they would not effect my ships or bases too much (they have NBC filters standard in every compartment/room--look at my storefront), and the standard foot trooper wouldn't be effected on the battlefield because they also have NBC systems on each suit of armor. Yes, there will be lots of causalities initially, but proportionally it will be fairly low and it will bring me at war with you. I'm only at war with Hataria as I signed a pact defending any smaller countries from his aggression after I glassed him *begins counting...add the two, carry the five, plus one...aw hell I lost count* I'm only here to defend the other from Hatarian aggression.

Also, I seriously doubt that hatarian missile defense can shoot down over 65000 individual targets when there's less than 45 minutes of flight time. that's between 24 and 25 targets downed per second.

*Their arrows will blot out the sun.

*Good, then we shall fight in the *BOOM*

You didnt answer my question, Nova.
Is Nemisis 9x is a bioweapon, or a chemical weapon? If its biological, I doubt it can kill all carbon based life forms. I would also express, with roughly %70 surity, that if its chemical it wont have a %100 leathality rate on all carbon based life forms either.

I also have a highly advanced SDI system. Also, the majority of my missiles are MIRVED, usually with 5-10 warheads, ranging from 10-50 megatons. Also, you are forgetting submarine missiles, and the like.

Great, you're using 50 MT MIRVs, making your missiles even more ridiculously large and easy to shoot down. No missile like that will fit in a sub, by the way.

And your SDI system by neccesity will tend to be smaller and less useful than mine, considering that you've invested in a large nuclear arsenal and I have instead invested the equivalent of such an amount of money in SDI systems.

And yes, Nemesis-9X is a biological weapon. The original version was procured from Raven corps via espionage, improved for his own purposes, then passed to Axis Nova in a technology exchange deal.

The facts of this matter are very simple. You all are asking me and Hataria to just accept a full scale strategic strike and then do nothing about it. I am telling you that if you do so, I will launch a full scale counterstrike upon Crazed Marines, as is justified by a strategic strike against an ally. No doubt Hataria will as well, with his own nuclear weapons.

You then presume to threaten me with nuclear devastation from all of you, which is questionable that you can pull off, whereas I can assuredly wreak incredible havoc upon you with my biological weapons and kinetic strikes.

I and Hataria are not punching bags for your amusement. If you want to escalate things, you had better be prepared for the results.

Then Nemisis-9x cannot possibly kill all carbon based life forms, since viruses and bacteria which live in human iron-based blood dont do very well in copper-based blood, such as that of the common horseshoe crab. Unless, of course, you have developed a special anti-horseshoe crab strain of this virus, for use against the copper-based blood population of Nationstates.

Whatever. I am not having this discussion, I will back my allies and that is final.

Then Nemisis-9x cannot possibly kill all carbon based life forms, since viruses and bacteria which live in human iron-based blood dont do very well in copper-based blood, such as that of the common horseshoe crab. Unless, of course, you have developed a special anti-horseshoe crab strain of this virus, for use against the copper-based blood population of Nationstates.

Unless one of you are populated by sentient giant horseshoe crabs instead of people, I fail to see how this matters.

Also, my SDI system is neither 'little' nor 'stupid'. It's a highly advanced multi-layer system, and without knowing the details about it, you are not qualified to have an opinion on it.

Well then, we would appreciate knowing what the details are. Then we may forumlate an opinion on it.

Unless one of you are populated by sentient giant horseshoe crabs instead of people, I fail to see how this matters.

It doesnt, I was just pointing out that your claim in regards to 'killing all carbon based life' was rather silly.

Well then, we would appreciate knowing what the details are. Then we may forumlate an opinion on it.

TPF HAs found the details of his SDI, it is called the "Wankery Cannon, X-treme edition."

Gladly. The first part consists of a simple, yet effective design known as a 'frag bomb'. Basically, a metal shell with a few thrusters for alignment, an explosive charge, and a payload of metal pellets. If an enemy full-scale strategic launch is detected, all of the ones along the orbital paths between the enemy nation(s) and my own are detonated, thus crapping up said paths immensely and destroying many of the missiles as they attempt to fly through a gigantic debris field, which has it's orbit largely decay over the next few weeks until cleanup and transit is possible again. The advantage of these is they are incredibly cheap and easy to produce (they're manufactured en masse at my orbiting natural resource satellite) and so thus are very expendable. They also lend themselves admirably well to antisatellite purposes.

The second tier consists of many solid state lasers powered by fusion reactors, mounted on assorted weapons satellites. Nothing too fancy here-- just powerful lasers capable of firing quickly to help tag missiles that are projected to get past the fields created by frag bombs.

Also, though it isn't part of my SDI network, it's worth noting that a very good ally of mine, Bretton, who I have a mutual defense treaty signed with, has so many nuclear weapons of various types that he generally RPs an ongoing problem with being able to aquire enough fissionables to maintain them all (indeed, Bretton buys most of Axis Nova's uranium exports).

The third tier consists of missile satellites; these are actually older and predate most of the existing infrastructure, and are being phased out in favor of more laser sats, but while they're up there, they might as well be used. Missiles are fairly obvious in how they work so I won't bother to describe them significantly.

Finally, the fourth tier in Axis Nova itself consists of many ground-based solid state lasers of immense power intended to target and burninate anything which made it through the first few sets of defenses, along with proximity tactical nuclear ABMs to take out large clusters of MIRVs.

Furthermore, though this isn't an active defense per se, most arcologies built in the last 50 years in Axis Nova are capable of being retracted beneath the ground to help them survive the effects of a nuclear attack. Most critical industries are underground as well, an inevitable function of the lack of space in my nation.

Most of this is PMT. Fusion reactors?

What's your point? I've stated multiple times that I am PMT, as is Hataria.

Though everything I've described as a component of my SDI system is possible in MT, albiet with more expense since you'd need to substitute a nuclear reactor for a fusion one with regards to laser power sources.

Ok, so this is really serious PMT.

I can use Mag accelerators, that means.

BF2142 is PMT, as well. (Granted, extreme PMT, but some of that stuff? Same calibre).

I havn't played BF2142, so I can't really comment on it.

It doesnt, I was just pointing out that your claim in regards to 'killing all carbon based life' was rather silly.

yes...also I love how he totally disregards certain little aspects when facing a FT opponent, including you can't touch me where it hurts as well as directed energy weapons make me laugh at the angry flashlights

yes...also I love how he totally disregards certain little aspects when facing a FT opponent, including you can't touch me where it hurts as well as directed energy weapons make me laugh at the angry flashlights

(Not saying anything)

yes...also I love how he totally disregards certain little aspects when facing a FT opponent, including you can't touch me where it hurts as well as directed energy weapons make me laugh at the angry flashlights

No, it doesn't work like that. If an FT nation wants to play with PMT and MT nations, that means you're reduced to our level. Or are you only vunerable when it's convenient to you?

Also, re the bioweapon, manufacturer's claims. *shrug*

No, it doesn't work like that. If an FT nation wants to play with PMT and MT nations, that means you're reduced to our level. Or are you only vunerable when it's convenient to you?

Also, re the bioweapon, manufacturer's claims. *shrug*

Then taht also means, as a PMT nation you must go to a MT level

No, it doesn't work like that. If an FT nation wants to play with PMT and MT nations, that means you're reduced to our level. Or are you only vunerable when it's convenient to you?

Also, re the bioweapon, manufacturer's claims. *shrug*

Then taht also means, as a PMT nation you must go to a MT level


Dingalingaling.
So, CM cant have his...giant uber death kroozers, I assume, but you can have fusion powered drop pods and things-which-resemble-flying-battleships-but-are-not?
*shrug*
Either come down to MT on all points, or bring in your own FT ally.

No, it doesn't work like that. If an FT nation wants to play with PMT and MT nations, that means you're reduced to our level. Or are you only vunerable when it's convenient to you?

Also, re the bioweapon, manufacturer's claims. *shrug*

ah....well, since it Raven Corps' weapon, you mind if I tell you something. I've bought some of it too. Raven even gave me a vaccine for it. DGNT can back me up on this one, because we're all part of the IM and GDA we share technologies such as bioweapons (and especially if you're the head of R&D).

so yeah, go ahead and use it. We've got a vaccine in place and we have nanites in the bloodstream. Just remember you can be struck with it too.

ah....well, since it Raven Corps' weapon, you mind if I tell you something. I've bought some of it too. Raven even gave me a vaccine for it. DGNT can back me up on this one, because we're all part of the IM and GDA we share technologies such as bioweapons (and especially if you're the head of R&D).

so yeah, go ahead and use it. We've got a vaccine in place and we have nanites in the bloodstream. Just remember you can be struck with it too.

Indeed.
And as I recall, Crazed Marines purchased a Piledriver Planetbuster...which means that any defences short of a rather powerful planetary shield system Axis Nova has mean roughly squat, since his entire nation can be turned into a glass-lined fissure via the application of an extreme excess of OMG LAZORZ

I was thinking more a disruptor strike, but the OMG LAZORZ works as well....probably going to save that to destroy the moonbase/moon (depending on how I feel). More or less I was trying to tell him that hisSDI does squat against pure energy weapons and the power of his lasers are like angry flashlights compared to the piledriver

Too bad I ignore FT stuff when playing PMT.

Also, this is a MODIFIED version of something Raven corps has, so any vaccine you have will be ineffective (and your nanites are ignored as well).

I'm very close to just ignoring you in general for excessive FT-wank in an MT/PMT RP, Crazed Marines.

edit: Make that "definitely ignored" due to his last post. It's up to Hataria or not whether to accept and deal with the effects of the attempted strategic strike, but I for one will be ignoring any effects from it along with Crazed Marines.

I was thinking more a disruptor strike, but the OMG LAZORZ works as well....probably going to save that to destroy the moonbase/moon (depending on how I feel). More or less I was trying to tell him that hisSDI does squat against pure energy weapons and the power of his lasers are like angry flashlights compared to the piledriver

Indeed. Massive overkill FTW.

Too bad I ignore FT stuff when playing PMT.

Also, this is a MODIFIED version of something Raven corps has, so any vaccine you have will be ineffective (and your nanites are ignored as well).

I'm very close to just ignoring you in general for excessive FT-wank in an MT/PMT RP, Crazed Marines.

:rolleyes:
All I can really say.

Care to explain how, exactly, my position is unreasonable?

I've made my position clear in previous posts.

Was that before or after Crazed Marines started to pull all sorts of FT stuff out in an effort to prevent himself from being hurt?

I think it was when you started pulling out all your PMT stuff to avoid getting hurt.

Who said I wouldn't be hurt? I simply pointed out that a nuclear strike would be unlikely to completely wipe me out and gave details why. All Crazed Marines has done is talk about how uber and invunerable he is to attack due to FT stuff.

Furthermore, you seem to be mistaking things which are actually possible in the real world or will be possible in the next 20-30 years with things which will never be possible.

Really? Most of your arguement seems to stem from "Im PMT, youre missiles wont hurt me as much as I can hurt you with my bioweapons and godrods."
You gave reasons, yes, however, you ignore CM for using virtually the same arguement, that being, "Im FT, your bioweapons and godrods wont hurt me as much as I can hurt you with my uber-kroozers and lazorz."

Its never wise to make estimations about technology.
Tell me, what was your idea of an advanced computer in 1990? Mine was the schools sixteen colour Apple with its 5in drive and mono speakers.

In 1990, I was fiddling around with my dad's 486. I fail to see your point here.

I pointed out that I have a large and multi-layered SDI system specifically designed to protect me from a large-scale nuclear strike, and that I've chosen to pursue alternate methods of strategic deterrence rather than nuclear weapons. You are simply creating a straw man of my position and attacking it.

Also, I said 'kinetic projectiles', not godrods. Godrods are a tactical weapon.

The point is that you were speculating about technology in 20-30 years. If you recall, in 1995 graphics cards didnt even exist. The same could be applied to space travel, FTL, etc. etc.

And CM has kindly pointed out that he has weapons which can turn your nation into a mile thick glass plate. This is detterence, yes?

Why not call them 'Giant Balls of Overcompensation'? I know one nickname for the Piledrivers was 'Giant Steel Penis'. They go well together.

So I am cleared for orbital MAC guns against Hataria, good.

Are you aware that your "50m radius balls" will have an absolutely devestating effect on the entire world, not just on one nation?

wow...he is ignoring things I already said I wasn't going to use...remember the whole "No superweapons or nukes" rule we're using.

Axis, I mention the because I like to joke around with Hataria. I never engaged you, and you're welcome to try your virus. Yes, you will kill many people but just like Ebola, it will burn itself out before killing mass scores because of the time it takes to travel between areas. you be better off to point your satellites skyward to try and kill the civvies. Just remember chem/bio warfare, nukes, and godrods are considered superweapons. So are my disruptor strikes. But guess what, declare war on me and not my earthly allies then you give me a chance to actually have an impact and your nation will depend on an unstable person's whim.

and yes DGNT, the IM did skew my sense of humor. Now I design all my superweapons to look like a giant penis

So I am cleared for orbital MAC guns against Hataria, good.

Are you aware that your "50m radius balls" will have an absolutely devestating effect on the entire world, not just on one nation?

Since they're falling at orbital velocities and not relativistic velocities, not really. I actually used an impact calculator the first time I ended up using one (on Fourhearts) to tweak the size of the thing so that it would be city-wrecking but not world-wrecking.

A devastating effect on the entire world would be if I de-orbited my natural resource satellite onto someone (it is an asteroid, after all), but I'd only do that if I was utterly screwed anyways.

In case anyone wanted to know, here's a repost of the forces that Hataria sent to the Shalrirorchian Front.

The Fleet heading for The Islands to th North.

4 Imperium Class Super Aircraft carriers (with 70 F/A-18 HORNETS and 50 RAGI-17 intercepters on each Ship)
3 Oni Class Helicopter Carriers (with 50 SH-3 SEA KINGS and 40 KA-50 Attack Helicopters on each Ship)
20 Tiger Shark Class Anti-Submarine Destroyers
30 Dead Moon Class Battlecruisers
20 Crossbow Class Missile Frigates
20 Ayanami Class Destroyers
10 Sharktooth Class heavy Battleships
100 Titan Class Troop Ships
3 Angel Class Hospital Ships
40 Market Class Fleet Tenders
20 Duck Hunter Class Anti-aircraft Firgates.
40 Tangalee Class Attack Submarines.

50th Imperial Marine Regiment

400,000 Imperial Marines
1,000 PT-76 Amphibious Light Tanks
300 T-72 Main Battle Tanks
120 ASU-85 Airborne Assault Guns
300 BT-78 Amphibious Assault Vehicles
100 M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicles
200 Avenger Anti-Aircraft Weapons Systems. (http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/ada/Avenger.html)
100 BRDM-2 Amphibious Armored Scout Cars
4,000 Trucks.

The Invasion Force for the two Island in the Northern Part of Shalrirorchia was soon Sailing out of Tangalee and Heading for their Target.

In the beginning, Hataria's Fleet (I believe it was called the 14th Fleet in another thread) had exactly 310 ships.

Now, at some point, Shalrirorchia launched an attack and managed to destroy:



a few got Though and 23 Cruisers and a Carrier were Sunk.



There are no cruisers in the Hatarian Fleet, so I'm going to have to assume he meant the Dead Moon-class Battlecruisers. With 23 gone, there are only 7 left.

He also said that a carrier was sunk, but he didn't specify whether it was Imperium-class or Oni-class.

In any case, there are only 286 ships left in the Fleet. They are:

The Fleet heading for The Islands to th(e) North.

4/3 Imperium-class Super Aircraft (C)arriers (with 70 F/A-18 HORNETS and 50 RAGI-17 (I)ntercepters on each Ship)
3/2 Oni-class Helicopter Carriers (with 50 SH-3 SEA KINGS and 40 KA-50 Attack Helicopters on each Ship)
20 Tiger Shark-class Anti-Submarine Destroyers
7 Dead Moon-class Battlecruisers
20 Crossbow-class Missile Frigates
20 Ayanami-class Destroyers
10 Sharktooth-class (H)eavy Battleships
100 Titan-class Troop Ships
3 Angel-class Hospital Ships
40 Market-class Fleet Tenders
20 Duck Hunter-class Anti-aircraft F(ri)gates.
40 Tangalee-class Attack Submarines.



It should also be noted that those Titan-class troop ships have landed at Bayport, meaning they are out of main fleet. That just leaves 186 ships left.

And now, The PeoplesFreedom has launched an attack on the ships, so we'll have to see where that leads.

Since they're falling at orbital velocities and not relativistic velocities, not really. I actually used an impact calculator the first time I ended up using one (on Fourhearts) to tweak the size of the thing so that it would be city-wrecking but not world-wrecking.

A devastating effect on the entire world would be if I de-orbited my natural resource satellite onto someone (it is an asteroid, after all), but I'd only do that if I was utterly screwed anyways.

Actually, a 50m radius ball from orbit would still release more than the TNT equivalent of the largest nuke bomb ever detonated and could inflict atmospheric-changing conditions (granted, a MAC strike would do the same).
For comparison: the asteroid that caused the Tunguska Event was around 20m in diameter, and still inflicted the equivalent to 20 MT of TNT, equal to the largest nuke bomb ever dropped by America.

Hataria, PLEASE reply to my comments here.

I will Reply to Ezaltia's Posts on here as soon as I can.

Oh and just to Let you know, Hataria's Offical name is Dai Hatariasu Teikoku in The Offcial Langauge of The Hatarian Empire, Japanese.

I will Reply to Ezaltia's Posts on here as soon as I can.

Oh and just to Let you know, Hataria's Offical name is Dai Hatariasu Teikoku in The Offcial Langauge of The Hatarian Empire, Japanese.

Ok.

Isn't that kinda ironic when you don't even control Japan anymore?

The Tsar's official title is about three pages long, but you dont see me using it here >_>;

I'm going to be gone again over Easter, and will be back Monday night. See y'all later.

I'm going to be gone again over Easter, and will be back Monday night. See y'all later.

Ok, See ya

OCC: Respond to my fleet's attack please.

Hataria has responded to The PeoplesFreedom's missile attack:

The Hatarian CWIS system Shot down most of The Missiles, but a Few did Get Though and sunk 1 Battleship, 12 Subs and 12 Destroyers. a Carrier was Lighty Damaged.





Here's the Hatarian Fleet following The PeoplesFreedom's attack:

The Fleet heading for The Islands to th(e) North.

4/3 Imperium-class Super Aircraft (C)arriers (with 70 F/A-18 HORNETS and 50 RAGI-17 (I)ntercepters on each Ship)
3/2 Oni-class Helicopter Carriers (with 50 SH-3 SEA KINGS and 40 KA-50 Attack Helicopters on each Ship)
20/8 Tiger Shark-class Anti-Submarine Destroyers
7 Dead Moon-class Battlecruisers
20 Crossbow-class Missile Frigates
20/8 Ayanami-class Destroyers
9 Sharktooth-class (H)eavy Battleships
100 Titan-class Troop Ships
3 Angel-class Hospital Ships
40 Market-class Fleet Tenders
20 Duck Hunter-class Anti-aircraft F(ri)gates.
28 Tangalee-class Attack Submarines.



The attack took out 25 ships, leaving a total of 261 ships left in the fleet. Of those, the 100 Titan-class Troop Ships have landed at Bayport, leaving 161 ships left to engage The PeoplesFreedom forces.

Hataria has yet to indicate which carrier was sunk in Shalrirorchia's attack.

He also needs to indicate which 12 destroyers were sunk. They don't all have to be of one class, though they could if that makes things easier...

Apologies for not posting and for not fixing my previous posts, I've had computer trouble the past few days, and am posting from a borrowed laptop.

Something occured to me: considering I deployed my first wave via airship, how precisely would any of you have been able to get there before me using ships? Last I checked none of your ships sail at 500 miles per hour.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=517036

I just bought 100,000,000 of these guns :)

Apologies for not posting and for not fixing my previous posts, I've had computer trouble the past few days, and am posting from a borrowed laptop.

Something occured to me: considering I deployed my first wave via airship, how precisely would any of you have been able to get there before me using ships? Last I checked none of your ships sail at 500 miles per hour.

Well, they're there now. Not our fault you had comp trouble, we were simply progressing the story.

Actually, allied stuff had been RPed as being there even before my computer crapped out...

so anybody going to reply to the diplomatic ends for my side? I ain't going to be able to see this through because I will probably be enlisting this next few weeks.

so anybody going to reply to the diplomatic ends for my side? I ain't going to be able to see this through because I will probably be enlisting this next few weeks.

Good For you. Thank you for your Service. :)

Hey! Hey! Hey! It's EZALTIA!!!!

Out of sheer curiosity, how am I being "unhonorable," Hat?

Good For you. Thank you for your Service. :)

Marine Corps. Chances are I will be signing this weekend.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12531133#post12531133

Marine Corps. Chances are I will be signing this weekend.

Following you in there when I'm old enough and if I can. Semper Fi.

right now they're working to throw me in EOD, recon, or infantry.

*Bump*

I'll be away agin this weekend, will be back Sunday.

Couple guys (me included) needing a response in the Shalrirorchia thread, Hataria. Just an FYI.

Well, if this stupid thing isn't dead, I've been a couple days in the ER, and I just got back.
Will be posting soon.

I'm sorry to hear that. No its going strong, and we have Hataria by the balls, but he is ignoring the thread.

I'm pretty close to going back on my earlier word and just using a massive disruptor strike from orbit and glassing Hataria AGAIN.

I'm just not an orbital weapon guy. I'll continue to launch my blistering conventional attacks.

Why are we worrying about this?

Hataria hasn't posted in the threads for days now. I know he's not that busy.

Why are we worrying about this?

Hataria hasn't posted in the threads for days now. I know he's not that busy.

We have to keep it up!

Yeah, I know.


It's just if he's given up on this RP and is ignoring it cause he's starting to get his ass kicked, why bother?

Yeah, I know.


It's just if he's given up on this RP and is ignoring it cause he's starting to get his ass kicked, why bother?

Because at least this way we can publically shame him by keeping this thread up.

If he doesn't have the guts to finish a thread that he started, well, then everyone is gonna know.

I think he's just miffed because there's no way for his precious Galaxia to survive.

I think he's just miffed because there's no way for his precious Galaxia to survive.

OCC: ha ha yep. I hope I get to capture her. She won't like it.

Hataria hasn't posted in the threads for days now. I know he's not that busy.

He did that to me and I think you know what happen. It royally pissed me off. Keep the thread up because Hat will have to post.

Because at least this way we can publically shame him by keeping this thread up.

If he doesn't have the guts to finish a thread that he started, well, then everyone is gonna know.

Been there, done that, got the radioactive glass to prove it. its standard for him to leave when he knows he's going to lose. And the unofficial rules are to finish what you start, and if you don't everything is up for grabs

I'm pretty close to going back on my earlier word and just using a massive disruptor strike from orbit and glassing Hataria AGAIN.

and I DID say NO FT WEAPONS OR STUPID UBERWEAPONS. So did Demon 666

and I DID say NO FT WEAPONS OR STUPID UBERWEAPONS. So did Demon 666

Well, you ignored an attack that was done with MT things and if done right, it would have worked.

Well, you ignored an attack that was done with MT things and if done right, it would have worked.

It was Ignored Because It was godmod! Not Shut up and go back to what ever hole you Creapt out of from.

Be nice or you’ll be by yourself in the end. Anyways, it isn’t a godmode. CM just up the game and used a microwave attack on you. Think what happens went you place water in a microwave oven and it heats up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven

I haven’t read the links, but you can.

unconventional warfare is not a god mod, it just means you can't cope with tactics

It was Ignored Because It was godmod! Not Shut up and go back to what ever hole you Creapt out of from.

...or you could respond to these MT things called missiles and these PMT things called Railguns (used by yourself earlier) that attacked you.

Perfectly legal, due to your attack with Godrods. If I can't have Railguns, your Godrod attacks will be nixxed off my chart.

It was Ignored Because It was godmod! Not Shut up and go back to what ever hole you Creapt out of from.

It was as much of a godmod as your godrods are.

And please don't resort to personal attacks, we're trying to keep this a nice, friendly game.

Hataria has, at long last, responded to the massive attack against him. But first, here is the fleet prior to the most recent attack.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hataria
The Fleet heading for The Islands to th(e) North.

4/3 Imperium-class Super Aircraft (C)arriers (with 70 F/A-18 HORNETS and 50 RAGI-17 (I)ntercepters on each Ship)
3/2 Oni-class Helicopter Carriers (with 50 SH-3 SEA KINGS and 40 KA-50 Attack Helicopters on each Ship)
20/8 Tiger Shark-class Anti-Submarine Destroyers
7 Dead Moon-class Battlecruisers
20 Crossbow-class Missile Frigates
20/8 Ayanami-class Destroyers
9 Sharktooth-class (H)eavy Battleships
100 Titan-class Troop Ships (On the Beach)
3 Angel-class Hospital Ships
40 Market-class Fleet Tenders
20 Duck Hunter-class Anti-aircraft F(ri)gates.
28 Tangalee-class Attack Submarines.

This is the result of the most recent attack:


Bad news of The Hatarian Fleet. half of it was sunk.



There were 161 ships out at sea. There were also 100 troop transports, but they're on the beach so they don't count.

But with half the fleet sunk, there are only 80 or 81 ships left in the original Hatarian fleet. Hataria will have to clerify whether there are 80 or 81 (If there was 80.5 ships, it would probably indicate that half a ship was sunk).

Hataria has not indicated which of the 80/81 ships were lost in the fighting. He will have to do that eventually. Also he will have to post the losses for the Titan-class transports on the beach.

Most importantly however, Hataria has not indicated whether or not Grand General Asuka, Chief Reianna, or Prince Barbarossa survived this attack.

Hataria also has yet to indicate which class of carrier was sunk in Shalrirorchia's attack.

He also needs to indicate which 12 destroyers were sunk in the second attack. They don't all have to be of one class, though they could if that makes things easier...

Lance Corporal Leroy Jenkins

Is he going to yell his name as he fights? It would be funny. I hope you know what I’m talking about. If not, I’ll look like a fool.


For those whom don’t know, goggle ‘Leroy Jenkins’ and learn about the greatness of Leroy Jenkins, World of Warcraft superstar.

Is he going to yell his name as he fights? It would be funny. I hope you know what I’m talking about. If not, I’ll look like a fool.


For those whom don’t know, goggle ‘Leroy Jenkins’ and learn about the greatness of Leroy Jenkins, World of Warcraft superstar.

While I hate WOW, that was funny. Down with the WOW menace, up with WAR!

Is he going to yell his name as he fights? It would be funny. I hope you know what I’m talking about. If not, I’ll look like a fool.


For those whom don’t know, goggle ‘Leroy Jenkins’ and learn about the greatness of Leroy Jenkins, World of Warcraft superstar.

That's where he got his name ;)

Well, it's not as bad as a ship named the Hare Hare Yukai.
And at any rate, Hataria:
Am I the only one who's kind of amazed that you can write off about 600,000 men just like that? If I lost 200,000 soldiers in any offense, I'd consider that a catastrophe.
I know you're a lot bigger than me, but given the difference in losses, and the fact that you're fighting on other fronts, it amazes that you can take these losses and keep acting like nothing's happened.

or that he just ignores a system remarkably to the Active Denial System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System)--a microwave emitter at 12.24 cm, or a sheer mass of missiles with a stealth system included that less than 1 percent hits its mark. Oh well, I've got a backup system.

or that he just ignores a system remarkably to the Active Denial System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System)--a microwave emitter at 12.24 cm, or a sheer mass of missiles with a stealth system included that less than 1 percent hits its mark. Oh well, I've got a backup system.

Fixed your link, I might read it now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

Hataria, please reply to my second thermobaric strike. Your lack of postage seriously slows down the war.

I've taken the liberty of posting the exact numbers of ships belonging to the new fleet which Hataria has sent to Shalrirorchia.

35 Imperium-class Supercarriers (with 100 RAGI-17's on Each Ship)
140 Sharktooth-class Battleships
350 Republic-class Destroyers
210 Ayanami-class Destroyers
140 Fishermen-class Anti-Submarine Destroyers
700 Asakura-class Battlec(ru)isers
210 Duck-Hunter-class Anti-Aircraft Frigates
560 Market-class Fleet Tenders
140 Tangalee-class Attack Submarines
140 Stingray-class Submarine Battleships

Hataria, do remember, when you post losses, to indicate which specific class of ship has been destroyed. The exact number of ships destroyed in attacks is also helpful.

*Courtesy Bump!

35 Imperium-class Supercarriers (with 100 RAGI-17's on Each Ship)
140 Sharktooth-class Battleships
350 Republic-class Destroyers
210 Ayanami-class Destroyers
140 Fishermen-class Anti-Submarine Destroyers
700 Asakura-class Battlec(ru)isers
210 Duck-Hunter-class Anti-Aircraft Frigates
560 Market-class Fleet Tenders
140 Tangalee-class Attack Submarines
140 Stingray-class Submarine Battleships



Hataria has responded to the first attack on the new fleet. Ten Ayanami-class Destroyers have been sunk.

Here is the current status of the fleet:

35 Imperium-class Supercarriers (with 100 RAGI-17's on Each Ship)
140 Sharktooth-class Battleships
350 Republic-class Destroyers
200 Ayanami-class Destroyers
140 Fishermen-class Anti-Submarine Destroyers
700 Asakura-class Battlec(ru)isers
210 Duck-Hunter-class Anti-Aircraft Frigates
560 Market-class Fleet Tenders
140 Tangalee-class Attack Submarines
140 Stingray-class Submarine Battleships

Amazonian Beasts has now launched a second, deadlier assault on the Hatarian fleets.

I believe here would be an appropriate place to state everything I'm sending currently:


2,000,000 Wanderjarian soldiers,
100,000 Wanderjarian Sturm-Marines (Wanderjarian Marines)
10,000 Behemoth IIIs
10,000 HT-106Cs (125mm Main Gun)
10,000 Behemoth IIs
8x Nimitz Class Carriers
75x F/A-18 Hornets (Fighter/Bomber, per CV, Wanderjarian Kriegsmarine)
25x F-88 Ghost (Stealth Bombers, per CV, Wanderjarian Kriegsmarine)
25x F-99s (Fighter Bomber, per CV Wanderjarian Kriegsmarine)

5000x F-88 Ghost (Wanderjarian Luftwaffe version)
5000x F-99 Fighters (Wanderjarian Luftwaffe Version)

200x Lord Class Battleships
200x Duke-class Battleships
200x Cartagena Class Submarines
500x Kirov class battlecruisers

Just a statement: if 20,000 SSMs at close range can only take out ten of Hataria's destroyers-in a fleet that's total smaller than my own on-site-I will begin responding to every attack made through a similar ratio of damage corresponding to attack level. Just to even the playing field on my side-and avoid any further moves of "godmodding" by either side. So, I shall be allowing what Hataria shall devise to shoot at me-but I'll be determining my own damages based on the "20,000 SSMs=ten destroyers dead" method.

As for the 50" railgun thing:

It's a preposterous idea, but I will allow it-however, if the idea is not changed, I will claim to have large railguns outfitted to aerial attack craft in kind. Eye for an eye here-I can devise little things just as well.

I shall go fix the previous response post on mine to incorporate the successful firing, but negligible damage, of said 50" sub railguns.

I'd like to add, for the hell of it, that this is the largest invasion force I have ever launched. Congrats Hataria, not even Blackhelm has seen this much of the Wehrmacht at any one time.

I'd like to add, for the hell of it, that this is the largest invasion force I have ever launched. Congrats Hataria, not even Blackhelm has seen this much of the Wehrmacht at any one time. :p

Hataria, please reply to my second thermobaric strike. Your lack of postage seriously slows down the war.

I'd say you should just copy and past your attack into a new post. He's not going to go through the thread looking for your attack.

I am takeing a Break from The Thread till Axis Nova and The other Allies of mine Return. NO ATTACK TILL THEY RETURN.

Anyone saying they Defeated me will be Ignored.

Okie dokie. In the mean time, we'll repost everything to which you need to reply. :)

But one last thing I've been dying to know:

How did Galaxia the mighty magical mole princess survive? Holy moley, I don't think I can take the suspense!

To make Hataria's life easier and to make this conflict move faster, I've taken the liberty of creating this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524892) for all of you to post your various actions/propositions/etc. with Hataria. It will be limited to posts to Hataria ONLY, so we can keep it clean of anything that might cause him trouble.

If you've got discussion about that thread, just talk about it here.

How to use the thread:
Just quote what you posted, copy that, and paste it into a post in the new thread. That's all there is to it, it's not that hard so I hope there won't be any trouble.

Okie dokie. In the mean time, we'll repost everything to which you need to reply. :)

But one last thing I've been dying to know:

How did Galaxia the mighty magical mole princess survive? Holy moley, I don't think I can take the suspense!

I've rerouted the ground campaign response to the "Response Needed" thread so we can figure out Galaxia's fate in regard to the most recent butchery unleashed on the ground.

Demon 666:
If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I'd like to be able to be able to "park" some of my force at Japan en route to Hataria. This would make things significantly easier for me, as I'll have a litte home-away-from-home right next to the big battles. Just reply or TG me the answer.

Hataria, the small force I'm sending is

2 Invincible light carriers
9 Duke Class Air Defence Frigates
11 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers
6 Seawolf Class Submarines
6 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers

18 BAE Sea Harrier VTOL Naval Aircraft
20 Super Lynx Attack Helicopters
6 MH-60S Knighthawk Helicopters

It ought to arrive in about 4 RL hours from this post where it will (hopefully) have a place to stay near China. I'll post more tomorrow probably, and I'll post about the larger fleet later.

Don't forget to add my lands in Iraq, Midway, Madigascar, and Alabama on the map.
Also, I edited my railgun strike. I would suggest you watch future weapons on the discovery channel to see an example of what I'm talking about.

Just as an fyi, due to recent events (commencement of the Icarus Project), I'm not involved in anything related to Hataria anymore (not that I've been involved in this much since my computer crapped out for a while anyways).

Just as an fyi, due to recent events (commencement of the Icarus Project), I'm not involved in anything related to Hataria anymore (not that I've been involved in this much since my computer crapped out for a while anyways).

HAHAHAHA, that's brilliant, thanks Axis! :D Hataria's not coming back until his allies - i.e. you - step in to win the war for him.

Bwahaha!

Victory is ours! :D

Hey I kind of want to get back into the conflict. I gave Hataira 5 days to surrender. That was yesterday. If there are any problems with this let me know

All the Allies have TGs.

All the Allies have TGs.

And...you've been replied to.

HAHAHAHA, that's brilliant, thanks Axis! :D Hataria's not coming back until his allies - i.e. you - step in to win the war for him.

Bwahaha!

Victory is ours! :D
Nah..Hat will be back, eventually..And will refuse to acknowledge this whole series of events ever happened..

Nothing new there.

Just as an fyi, due to recent events (commencement of the Icarus Project), I'm not involved in anything related to Hataria anymore (not that I've been involved in this much since my computer crapped out for a while anyways).
HAHAHAHA, that's brilliant, thanks Axis! :D Hataria's not coming back until his allies - i.e. you - step in to win the war for him.

Bwahaha!

Victory is ours! :D

Nah..Hat will be back, eventually..And will refuse to acknowledge this whole series of events ever happened..

Nothing new there.


Actually. Not if certain nations that he "has" declared war upon attack his homeland. IE, Me. He declared war upon me for one thing, and if he doesn't want to RP properly, then i'll just mow down his nation with rockets, my navy (which will be larger here in a few) and anything else I want to throw at him.

Don't forget to add my lands in Iraq, Midway, Madigascar, and Alabama on the map.

Your lands have been added.:)

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/1491/nationstatespoliticalmajt7.png (http://imageshack.us)

Actually. Not if certain nations that he "has" declared war upon attack his homeland. IE, Me. He declared war upon me for one thing, and if he doesn't want to RP properly, then i'll just mow down his nation with rockets, my navy (which will be larger here in a few) and anything else I want to throw at him.
Done it before, and gotten away with it too..

It is one of the main reasons why his credibility has more holes in it than a sieve.

Well. As son as I recieve confirmation of my order from Portland Iron Works, i'm going to issue an ultimatum to Hataria. Seeing as he declared war upon me, his choices will be to withdraw that declaration or face war. And I know there are other nations willing to rip him a new one...

Wilhemlsborough, do you think you could add a sidenote on your map the RL equivalent of one of Hataria's colonies and my nation are both Spain?

Just as an fyi, due to recent events (commencement of the Icarus Project), I'm not involved in anything related to Hataria anymore (not that I've been involved in this much since my computer crapped out for a while anyways).

In that case I'll be removing you from the lists.


All the Allies have TGs.

Got it. Sounds good. I might TG you later.


Hey I kind of want to get back into the conflict. I gave Hataira 5 days to surrender. That was yesterday. If there are any problems with this let me know

No problem here. I'll add you to the list, if you'd like.

Wilhemlsborough, do you think you could add a sidenote on your map the RL equivalent of one of Hataria's colonies and my nation are both Spain?

Just as an fyi, due to recent events (commencement of the Icarus Project), I'm not involved in anything related to Hataria anymore (not that I've been involved in this much since my computer crapped out for a while anyways).

In that case I'll be removing you from the lists.


All the Allies have TGs.

Got it. Sounds good. I might TG you later.


Hey I kind of want to get back into the conflict. I gave Hataira 5 days to surrender. That was yesterday. If there are any problems with this let me know

No problem here. I'll add you to the list, if you'd like.


And does anyone know where Maldorians went? If he's not back in 3 days I'll remove him and his puppet from the list.

look, if he's not going to RP properly or acknowledge legit weapons, I saw we just glass him (again). Also, Hataria, if you are wondering what I am using, look at my modern tech storefront. It might actually prove useful.

http://bighugelabs.com/flickr/output/motivator8638901.jpg

I just sent Maldorians the link on AIM. He'll be here. :)

Why am I listed as supporting Hataria?

I would note, by the way, that you should keep anyone who hangs out in #draftroom from becoming involved in any way with any form of peace agreement and occupation.

Especially Questers.

Why because they hate Hataria and his godmodding ways?

I would note, by the way, that you should keep anyone who hangs out in #draftroom from becoming involved in any way with any form of peace agreement and occupation.

Especially Questers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Questers rather instrumental at keeping Hat from being raped by the LAST group that went after him?

Why am I listed as supporting Hataria?

Honestly, I don't remember and I can't seem to think of why. I've taken the liberty of removing you from the list, because you don't seem to want to be on it.

Oh, and you were listed as supporting Maldorians, not Hataria, so if you'd like to go back on the list, feel free to let me know.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Questers rather instrumental at keeping Hat from being raped by the LAST group that went after him?

That was some time ago. Lately him and his clique's involvement with Hataria mostly tends to consist of attempting to provoke him into doing something bannable or otherwise get him banned.

Witness, for example, Hataria's recent thread in Moderation, and Quester's "helpful" suggestion.

Siriusa, could you add Atopiana and Skgorria to the list of enemies of Hataria?

The warzone we're fighting in is the Demon 666 one - specifically Hatarian China.

Siriusa, could you add Atopiana and Skgorria to the list of enemies of Hataria?

The warzone we're fighting in is the Demon 666 one - specifically Hatarian China.

Righto. You're in.

I've added the theatre of war everyone is in as well, just to help organize things. And since it seems that the Shalrirorchia side of things are cooling down, I won't label who's there.

If I made a mistake, feel free to notify me so I can fix it and it won't confuse everyone.

This RP is now on Hold for a longer time, a family Crises has happened and I will be back when it is over.

This RP is now on Hold for a longer time, a family Crises has happened and I will be back when it is over.

Well I hope everything's ok. You have my best wishes.

Okay.

I noticed that the war is on pause-mode for the moment. But once the fighting continues, Blobinton would like to join the Allies against Hataria, given that he threatened to nuke Ezaltia, and that would in effect nuke us too. And, yes, I know that was a long time ago, near the beginning of the war, but our government wasn't stable then, so we're getting in as soon as we can. . .

Eh, you don't have to wait. You can just post it in the IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521334) and we'll get back to you on it when we unpause.

Nice to see you taking part :D

Anyone remember the IRC connecton information for NS?

Anyone remember the IRC connecton information for NS?

It's not #Nationstates?

I mean what server they are on.

I don't remember...it's been too long since I used IRC

Never mind.


I found it on NS Draftroom....

Forget it

I tried using several programs and it won't connect for some stupid reason. It might be my ISP.

Firewall?

Might be the router. It has a hardware firewall.

I would note, by the way, that you should keep anyone who hangs out in #draftroom from becoming involved in any way with any form of peace agreement and occupation.

Especially Questers.

ROFL, u sux.

Might be the router. It has a hardware firewall.

could be it. Tell it to unblock the port. Type in your IP into your URL and you will be able to access it.

Actually, my location in the Mid-East was occupied by Doom a few months ago, and I've relocated to Haven. Just so you know. I'd be somewhere in the North Pacific.

*Bump

Well tomarrows invaision day. Before I start sending in troops I have a qustion. Looking at the map Hat drew up for his country it showes a bunch of islands to the south. Is anyone occupieing any of them? I am planninggoing to go after those first just of get a foot hold in his country before invading the mainland.

Thanks

RB

This RP is Now on Hold till a later date.

Oh and Rotten Bacon........didin't I Ignored you are Godmoding?

Yo TPF, can you finish our ACA training RP?

Yo TPF, can you finish our ACA training RP?

link? arg, I lost it:headbang:

link? arg, I lost it:headbang:

lol here it is:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525180&page=3

i hate Jolt's search shit... wait 180 seconds between searches my ass.

Oh and Rotten Bacon........didin't I Ignored you are Godmoding?

... I don't seem to recall this. Jog my memory.

Hataria, I'm starting to think you ignore people when they start winning against you.

Hataria, I'm starting to think you ignore people when they start winning against you.
Gee, whatever would give you that impression, Chris? *has known this since 04*

i godmode?:eek: It may seem like i do. and i try to not. anybody who sees my godmoding. I'm sorry and plese tell me if i am. Hataira your one to talk about godmoding

Hataria, I'm starting to think you ignore people when they start winning against you.

Agreed. As such I say we should all go weapons-free on him.

Agreed. As such I say we should all go weapons-free on him.

We would BUT. He's made it clear that he quits MT/PMT....

Here is what TPF said on My MSN Messenger, just now.

Four Horsemen said:
I am sick of you, you just cannot handle being defeated. We are glad you are gone, we dont want you here


Nice to know I am So loved by you all....NOT!

Here is what TPF said on My MSN Messenger, just now.



Nice to know I am So loved by you all....NOT!

We tried to help you RP better, you would not listen. We honestly did try. And the majority here agrees. We think you are running cause you are losing.

Here is what TPF said on My MSN Messenger, just now.



Nice to know I am So loved by you all....NOT!

Well you tend to complain a lot more than is needed.

We tried to help you RP better, you would not listen. We honestly did try. And the majority here agrees. We think you are running cause you are losing.

Are you calling me a lier? How about I tell The Whole Fourm but why I am doing this. You Bullying, Trolling and Flameing of a Autistic person to gte of The site. and lets not forget I have three sisters, one of which was a Member of NAMI of MSSU, and has a Web site about Mental Problems so I hope the people on Jolt likes to be Internationaly known as BIGOTS!

You happen to be making a excellent case for proving your own nay sayers correct, Hat..

Maybe you should consider a break from ns (note, I am not suggesting you leave ns for good) until you truly calm down.

(For the record: I don't hate you, never have, but your behavior can, and has, in the past, gotten on my nerves)