NationStates Jolt Archive

Throughout the universal network of diplomatic channels and embassies, an anonymous message was spread. It read:

Throughout this universe that is our momentary home, the Sith have stretched their empires, gobbling up smaller worlds and building up their forces. These actions can only mean one thing; that they intend to take over the entire universe if possible, and rule it with their dark forces, thus bringing and end to our different ideals and ways of live. Not all Sith are actively trying to bring this about, but one kind in particaular poses us the greatest threat. They call themselves "Unified Sith", and together with their allies they have already overrun several innocent civilizations. We must all face this menace, and therefore there will be a meeting for those interested in the well-being of the multitude of universal civilizations. This meeting will be held in two days at the following coordinates. We will discuss different counter-measures, from economical to military.

An effort was also made, to bring this message to the rebels and freedom-fighters of worlds already under the Sith rulership. The coordinates stated in the message, would lead to a gigantic floating "junk-yard" of rotting hulks that once belonged to innumerable ships. Among these masses of discarded junk, is one single cloaked ship, silently and patiently waiting for a response.

The tendrils sifted through the debris of an old starship, searching for life and food. The fleet hadn't eaten in some time and even with the photosynthesis, the ships wouldn't be able to last much longer.

Niiat was alone on his broodship, embedded in his throne of flesh and bone. He was the main controller of the fleet, self-proclaimed heir to the Kraeton race. He had cut complete psychic link to the Omnilord and was now a rogue Caedes. Although trying to triumph where the Omnilord had failed, it was obvious that with no synaptic frequencies detected, the fleet was doomed.

The broodship's synaptic sensory organs picked up something close by. Cloaked, Niiat smirked. Great for hiding from sensory machinery and plain sight, but bad when I can still sense your synapse, he thought. The hive fleet drew closer.

The ship was emmiting a message on all frequencies. It didn't take Niiat too long to translate the message and listen. Niiat chuckled under his malformed jaws and humorously answered back.

Why should I help your inferior race when I can merely take it for myself

OOC: Just ssetting the mood, Ill be joining your side. Ill wait for a reply.

And for those that want to know...

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Kraeton

tis my race, because I am too much in love with the Tyranids

Hearing of this effort, the TerrorGens Council decided that this came under the heading of the Dominion Accords, as the Unified Sith were certainly hegemonising powers.
They sent a light scout vessel to the co-ordinates announced, to say that they were able and willing to support these efforts under the Dominion Accords.

OOC:

Hmm I'm tagging this thread with a little IC to make it look more interesting.

IC :

An Imperial communications probe at the far reaches of Imperial space picked up the transmission and forwarded it to Communications HQ after classifying it as Level 1 material , meaning it threathened the sovereignity of the Empire.

Imperial Throne Room

Emperor Darth Matter stood still and gazed upon the holoprojector as the message played. As the projecter clicked to an end, he spoke.

"Today, as you have seen, a great threat has arisen. Although it is threathening to us, we will not jump into the fray, neither will we sit back and let ourselves get killed. Thus I want all Imperial Military personnel to be ready at all times should we be attacked. Dismissed."

One by one after saluting the Emperor, the Moffs and Grand Moffs exited the room followed by the Naval Command Staff...

[Gali'randi-el Exploration Fleet, Galaxy 0273]

Theia't-i! Do we have any Theia't-i here?

At your service?

I've picked up a signal. It's on a rather primitive frequency but I modified it to match ours.

.... what the hell are these "sith"?

No idea. They're not in our files. Not even the Emperor's Network.

Feh. Aur'ujit Sivein, scan and download all information pertaining to "sith" within range.

Will do.

The Exploration Fleet is waiting. It has sent out probes across the galaxy to record and return information about it; for the past seven Gali'randi months it has been waiting here, in interstellar space, well hidden by phasing in and out of iS-qV six hundred thousand times a second. The information is immediately transmitted back to the waiting Kun'dari, who pass it on to the Ves'dari and An'dari Operators aboard, who in turn upload it to the Emperor's Network. So far, this is the first mention of "sith" detected, partly due to the distance (the Exploration Fleet is waiting on the outer fringes of Galaxy 0273).

The requested information has been gathered, processed, and integrated into the Emperor's Network.

Capital.

Now what do we do?

We wait.

[OOC: Just thought I'd officially mention I'm in the Milky Way. I probably won't be getting involved in this RP much though.]

The message, relayed through Imperial intelligence gathering systems, almost simultaneously reached the Emperor Remiel upon Chronosia Prime, named IMperial Warmaster by the grace of Coruscant, and the Primarch Cabot, Imperial Liasion to the Black Throne and Lord Castellan of Coruscant, presently engaged in the glorious efforts of the Charybdis Crusade.

Both took the action of directly forwarding the message to Coruscant itself, ensuring that the Emperor himself would see it. The first formal message to emerge from the Imperium, however, came from Remiel himself.

Hated heretics and damnable rebels! You would seek to undermine the might of the Empire Incarnate! Our armies are Legion! We bring worlds from the darkness into the light, illuminating them with power, knowledge, wisdom! We would free them from shackles imposed by other cultures and make them glorious edifices of reason and knowledge! I am the Warmaster, lord of His Armies, and I swear to you by the ruinous powers of Chaos, that none shall stand against the Empire!

The Emperor himself is of the Sith path, spreading his dark faith throughout his galaxy, but he allows for we Chronosians to practice our divine Faith! Our True Faith! The chosen of Chaos stand with the Empire, with the Sith, and against you. Long have they been our allies, and we shall not abandon them!

Hear me brothers, rise up! Let your voices cut through the falseness of this impotent demagogue! False Prophet! The Gods themselves shall see your heretic lips torn out!

There were no rumblings from Charybdis, as though Cabot, Remiel's own Warmaster, had yet to formulate his words upon the matter. But the content of his communique to Coruscant would be clear. The Imperium, as always, would stand with the Empire, their allies and their brothers. For though the Imperium was a member, it had not unified, had not submitted to the Pax Imperia, nor lost its identity. Instead it stood, militarily as an equal to Palpatine's political power, and the voices of Remiel and Cabot carried weight even in the lofty halls of Coruscant.

Now, it was merely a question of waiting...

"Someone's rallying troops to kill the Sith. Seems kind afoolhardy I think."

"Yup. Sith tend to react poorly to announcements like that. Usually involves a warfleet."

"Mhmm."

"Deploy Omega. They'll have some fun if Impies show up, and we can slap the fools in the face for shits and giggles. Plus take all the scrap from the battlefield."

"Gotcha. Horace is on his way in a day. Be there by the day after. Omega Squadron will provide security for this stupid meeting, and give us an excuse to slap around some stupid Imperials."

"Well... Should we actually send a representative?"

"I guess. Daniel?"

"Yup. Liberty was always good at that shit."



Thus it was that Daniel Liberty, General Horace Warfield, and Omega Squadron of the Terran Dominion were sent at a rather sedate pace through the void, to a meeting that was almost certainly doomed to failure, even with the baking of the nigh-unstoppable Death's Head Legion.

"So someone is finally standing up to the sith eh? It’s about damn time" The chairman of the PLANT supreme council said to the head of the national defence committee and to the head of the intelligence committee. The two looked at him "Sir if I may say our forces have not had conflict in a long time, we would need a few weeks to run them through training" General Dan Nelles told the chairman, Nelles is the in term committee chairman after the former head retired. The chairman stood up and walked over to the window of his office "Then we will simply reply to this message, Connect Admiral Taylor on the Fire Hawk tell him to prep for launch his ship will be enough for this, and in the mean time begin the training and get mechanic crews to go over the entire fleet with a fine tooth comb" The chairman told him "Yes sir, it shall be done your excellency" he told him, he then stood up and left.

*five minutes later*

"Admiral you know what is expected of you right?" the General said over the communications net work "Yes I do general, just go there deliver the message wait for a few hours and return home" Taylor said to him "Good and admiral no un-needed combat only fire on self defence" the General told him remembering proper procedure for the situation "I know, I know I didn't enlist yesterday, any way we will be ready to move out with in the hour sir, Taylor out" The admiral said before closing the channel.

Throughout the universal network of diplomatic channels and embassies, an anonymous message was spread. It read:



An effort was also made, to bring this message to the rebels and freedom-fighters of worlds already under the Sith rulership. The coordinates stated in the message, would lead to a gigantic floating "junk-yard" of rotting hulks that once belonged to innumerable ships. Among these masses of discarded junk, is one single cloaked ship, silently and patiently waiting for a response.

You snivelling worm, pulling in OOC concerns ICly and then quickly acting upon them is unacceptable. I alerted you OOCly out of RP Etiquette, and here you are acting ICly based on OOC information. I had warned Balrogga that you would pull this, and I was correct.

You have no idea of how these forums work, or how people accept or view such attempts at wankery. Continue on this path, and you will be exiled much like FWS. From now on, when it comes to OOC etiquette, I and everyone here knows, not to deal with you as an equal.

I have no respect for yourself and in our first interaction as well.

You snivelling worm, pulling in OOC concerns ICly and then quickly acting upon them is unacceptable. I alerted you OOCly out of RP Etiquette, and here you are acting ICly based on OOC information. I had warned Balrogga that you would pull this, and I was correct.

You have no idea of how these forums work, or how people accept or view such attempts at wankery. Continue on this path, and you will be exiled much like FWS. From now on, when it comes to OOC etiquette, I and everyone here knows, not to deal with you as an equal.

I have no respect for yourself and in our first interaction as well.

OOC: wow wow wow, dude you took OOC info to get the upper hand in IC? thats low and not proper RP Etiquette OOC info should only be taken by another person directly if you are leading them some where, like if you broke into his base and he is telling you which way to go. How ever you are not to say magicly find the weak spot on his ship after he said where it was in OOC. A big no man, I am with US no one is going to RP with you if you do that.

I am not going to be as forward as my friend here, meh, maybe.

Asfaltum, I don't know how long you have been on here but there are certain...rules concerning rp. One of them is, have a good reason for doing stuff like this. Our ships are not even in your goddamn nation yet, we are in GE space. And the fact you havent even posted something icly about this, don't try it, that would be godmodding as well, shows you have no IC knowledge of this. And I swear I will break the kneecaps of anyone who even mentions the word "Spy".

Now, all you have is OOC knowledge, which Sith gave you out of courtesy, and you CANNOT use that for IC knowledge. It breaks many rules, and is totally unfair. It's in the stickies too, if I remember correctly. For example, say I chose to attack, oh, Chronosia (not gonna happen, NEVAR), and say I was preparing to attack him. Now, unless I proclaimed stuff about it, no one would know. So say if......Balrogga, who wouldnt do this, started gathering people to attack me for my budding attack on Chron, then that would be godmodding. As no one would know of what I was doing, since I am hiding it and everything. That is basically what you are doing. This is a severe breach of social rules, as it appears you have known the etiquette of the rp arena and have ignored it. This is something that needs to be amended immediately. No one is to even know of this invasion yet, so this thread is bogus. So, please, I would like to ask everyone to delete their posts, as this shouldnt even be happening. You can participate, ONCE we have reached the point where he can do this or the attack is known.

Thank you,

Telros.

OOC: Alright lets take things easy here everybody. I gotta agree with my man Telros here. Lets start this over, without any of us on Asfaults side knowing whats going on.

OOC: Fuck. Just after I write my GODDAMN post, shit starts up.

OOC: We'll just put in another thread. No harm done. I just dont want everyone crucifying Asfaultum for this. Let's just live and let live and RP this a bit differently.

OOC: Fuck. Just after I write my GODDAMN post, shit starts up.

OOC: Alright lets take things easy here everybody. I gotta agree with my man Telros here. Lets start this over, without any of us on Asfaults side knowing whats going on.


Thanks, Ed. I mean, if he doesnt want to do this rp, then he should tell us. Otherwise, he just needs to wait until we get things going. I am fine with people coming in, as long as it doesnt turn into a clusterfuck and its all fair and legal. Thanks for the support, though. My head inflates even more. =P

OOC: Fuck. Just after I write my GODDAMN post, shit starts up. I know AB, but this stuff shouldnt have even happened. It's a major breach of rules and it is screwing with the thread, so we have to settle this. Just save your post and put it up when it comes around FO REEL!

Thanks, Ed. I mean, if he doesnt want to do this rp, then he should tell us. Otherwise, he just needs to wait until we get things going. I am fine with people coming in, as long as it doesnt turn into a clusterfuck and its all fair and legal. Thanks for the support, though. My head inflates even more. =P

Yeah I just don't want a massive lynch mob forming. Plus I would definately like to RP against US. I think it should help my race's reputation as a hegemonizing gestalt swarm of horrific monstrosities bred to annihilate and assimilate planets. It'll be hard to fit myself on Asfaults side.

OOC: Using OOC knowledge IC is generally bad, and people doing so should be ignored.

That being said, chill out a bit, US. You arn't the Dark Lord of the Sith in real life, after all, so getting angry about a message board post won't do you much good. Best to just move on.

I deleted my previous post. When this thread starts up in a way that all can agree that is fair and "legal" would it be ok if I joined? I am still on the fence about who to help, as I do not have that much knowledge in game about the GE or Asfault. Maybe one of the sides could "manipulate" me to their side.

You snivelling worm,

OOC: Flame. Watch yourself. Cool down! It’s just a game!

OOC: We'll just put in another thread. No harm done. I just dont want everyone crucifying Asfaultum for this. Let's just live and let live and RP this a bit differently.

Sadly, you not being the offended party, certainly would not want to crucify him. Thankfully for Asfaltum, I, Unified Sith am not completely without mercy. We will accept him requesting the moderators to delete this thread, citing player insanity and we will proceed in good faith.

Or we can pull in the community to take a gander at just how he.... "plays."

Agreed, Ed. I have yet to have fought in any major engagements, any at all really, so this is my testing ground. That and to work out the kinks of my tech. I would imagine it would be hard to fit yourself on it. I could imagine you fighting to take down a perceived enemy and only aiding him through mere chance. =P/

Orthodox: Sure no problem, just make sure your reason is fine, dont send an uberload of ships and just rp with awesomeness, and its all good. ^^

As long I get to raze...um i mean Liberate planets, ill be happy :)

Agreed, Ed. I have yet to have fought in any major engagements, any at all really, so this is my testing ground. That and to work out the kinks of my tech. I would imagine it would be hard to fit yourself on it. I could imagine you fighting to take down a perceived enemy and only aiding him through mere chance. =P/

Orthodox: Sure no problem, just make sure your reason is fine, dont send an uberload of ships and just rp with awesomeness, and its all good. ^^

On another note, I am getting tired of these time warps

Agreed, Ed. I have yet to have fought in any major engagements, any at all really, so this is my testing ground. That and to work out the kinks of my tech. I would imagine it would be hard to fit yourself on it. I could imagine you fighting to take down a perceived enemy and only aiding him through mere chance. =P/

Orthodox: Sure no problem, just make sure your reason is fine, dont send an uberload of ships and just rp with awesomeness, and its all good. ^^

Ok, you can look at my past posts. I have never sent more than 7 Battlestars into any conflict and usually I send one raptor as a scout. I think usually more than 7 ships is a bit over kill.

Agreed, Ed. I have yet to have fought in any major engagements, any at all really, so this is my testing ground. That and to work out the kinks of my tech. I would imagine it would be hard to fit yourself on it. I could imagine you fighting to take down a perceived enemy and only aiding him through mere chance. =P/

Orthodox: Sure no problem, just make sure your reason is fine, dont send an uberload of ships and just rp with awesomeness, and its all good. ^^

Wouldn't worry about the Gnostics, he's a natural. Have you seen him RP with CW? It's a grand read.

Wouldn't worry about the Gnostics, he's a natural. Have you seen him RP with CW? It's a grand read.

Not to mention we have Chronosia here, who is very good.

I know, Chron and OG, I just wanted to make sure. I know he is good, Chron, I am currently rping with him in another thread. I was just saying something, Ortho, thats all. *winks*

I know Chron is good, Ed. Hell half of the things I have learned about RP came from him. The other half was HT. Not to say US, and others didnt help.

I know, Chron and OG, I just wanted to make sure. I know he is good, Chron, I am currently rping with him in another thread. I was just saying something, Ortho, thats all. *winks*

I know Chron is good, Ed. Hell half of the things I have learned about RP came from him. The other half was HT. Not to say US, and others didnt help.

Yeah. I like reading his and (back in the day) the Kraven Corps post. Real good stuff. I only hope that my RPs end up getting that good.

Same here. Of course, we have to merely just act out ourselves and we do fine. The best posts I have made are when I post like what I would do in that situation. *shrugs* But thats me.

Same here. Of course, we have to merely just act out ourselves and we do fine. The best posts I have made are when I post like what I would do in that situation. *shrugs* But thats me.

Aye. With my race, Godmodding is always around the corner, so i always gotta make sure that people are ok with massive swarms. I love playing loud orchestraic/metal whenever I begin an invasion. Music definately sets the mood.

Hell yes it does. My people are like the Marines from every hardcore movie you have seen. As the Sergeant from Aliens said, "Total BADASSES!" They kick ass and take names, and they have fun while doing it. My nation likes fighting, in a nation started and run by veteran soldiers, you kinda get that. =P

If I may suggest something Unified Sith, perhaps you should start a thread about the invasion of Asfault. That way since he has been informed OOC and agreed presumably, that the thread may be done according to the proper social standards. This way we can all choose sides, or hopefully in my case a side will choose me, and we can begin without any hard feelings.

Honestly, since the attack fleets are not even within detection range, this action would count as an offensive movement and thus void the nation from the defense of the League, in my ICly opinion.

They made an open hostile announcement for offensive action against the GE. If the Emperor himself came here to slap the person that thought of broadcasting the message silly, it would be defensive on their part as a reaction to attempting to gather what in their eyes are terrorist to act against the GE.

The United States in our real world is using this same basic excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. That confirms my logic as valid.

I suggest abandoning this Thread and seeing if it can be deleted and start over using IC knowledge.

Honestly, since the attack fleets are not even within detection range, this action would count as an offensive movement and thus void the nation from the defense of the League, in my ICly opinion.

They made an open hostile announcement for offensive action against the GE. If the Emperor himself came here to slap the person that thought of broadcasting the message silly, it would be defensive on their part as a reaction to attempting to gather what in their eyes are terrorist to act against the GE.

The United States in our real world is using this same basic excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. That confirms my logic as valid.

I suggest abandoning this Thread and seeing if it can be deleted and start over using IC knowledge.

Agreed.

If I may suggest something Unified Sith, perhaps you should start a thread about the invasion of Asfault. That way since he has been informed OOC and agreed presumably, that the thread may be done according to the proper social standards. This way we can all choose sides, or hopefully in my case a side will choose me, and we can begin without any hard feelings.

Such a thread already exists. It simply has not moved to or directly implicated Asfaltum :P

In discussion with Balrogga to detail the consequences of manipulating OOC information ICly, we will leave Asfaltums declaration valid.

lol very nice. Might I get a link to the thread? I will not post in it until it is the proper time as I have nothing to do with the GE.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519300

Thank you Sith :)

cool. will read

I am not going to be as forward as my friend here, meh, maybe.

Asfaltum, I don't know how long you have been on here but there are certain...rules concerning rp. One of them is, have a good reason for doing stuff like this. Our ships are not even in your goddamn nation yet, we are in GE space. And the fact you havent even posted something icly about this, don't try it, that would be godmodding as well, shows you have no IC knowledge of this. And I swear I will break the kneecaps of anyone who even mentions the word "Spy".

Now, all you have is OOC knowledge, which Sith gave you out of courtesy, and you CANNOT use that for IC knowledge. It breaks many rules, and is totally unfair. It's in the stickies too, if I remember correctly. For example, say I chose to attack, oh, Chronosia (not gonna happen, NEVAR), and say I was preparing to attack him. Now, unless I proclaimed stuff about it, no one would know. So say if......Balrogga, who wouldnt do this, started gathering people to attack me for my budding attack on Chron, then that would be godmodding. As no one would know of what I was doing, since I am hiding it and everything. That is basically what you are doing. This is a severe breach of social rules, as it appears you have known the etiquette of the rp arena and have ignored it. This is something that needs to be amended immediately. No one is to even know of this invasion yet, so this thread is bogus. So, please, I would like to ask everyone to delete their posts, as this shouldnt even be happening. You can participate, ONCE we have reached the point where he can do this or the attack is known.

Thank you,

Telros.

Umm... Assuming you're preparing fleets, and ANYONE is even REMOTELY paying attention(say, Siths enemies, anybody with half an IQ point, etc), tis pretty dam hard to miss. "Hey, umm... Those ships ain't where they was a few minutes ago. They's over thar." "Ok. Seem's they's moving an all fired mess of ships." "Yup. Wanna take a look see closer, maybe see who we can bribe?" "Ok."

In 5 seconds I have demonstrated exactly why anyone paying attention to threats(aka The GE, the ESUS, anyone that isn't your allies) would notice fleet movements, and at the very least increase readiness. Depending on your level of paranoia it is perfectly plausible to be proactive about the threat, and remove it before it can become one. But that's all rationalization. Some note should at least be made in the other thread that "Yup, we have our eye on you." before that route could be taken, but it would make sense for a nation to keep a wary eye on the GE.

Both of my other nations keep tabs on fleet movements, and similar information as best they are able. Anything that drops off the radar is cause for concern on both their parts. Yes, that means that I AM watching the GE pretty closely. If you can find a trio of Gunships, or a fighter squadron that's cloaked and hiding in the vastness of space, then you obviously have some pretty uber sensors. Since it'd be nigh unto impossible without wank more powerful than TCGs(ZOMG I r can see everything in mah space), I'd say that I can reasonably keep some ships sitting there looking at you.

Firstly, give the dude a break. Honestly. Sure, he fucked up. But it was probably an honest mistake, and if we're all good about it, and give him an honest chance to rectify it, it'll all be fine.

Umm... Assuming you're preparing fleets, and ANYONE is even REMOTELY paying attention(say, Siths enemies, anybody with half an IQ point, etc), tis pretty dam hard to miss.

..right, right. It's not like space is infinitely big, or anything, right? Oh, my mistake. It's fuggin' easy to hide ships. There's a lot more space than you can search. Sure, you can probably figure out that ships are moving - but, chances are, this'll be through logistical records - thirdhand information, like asking a trader why he sold his entire food stock at Imperial World Nine Million, and him telling you the government was eager to snap it up.

"Hey, umm... Those ships ain't where they was a few minutes ago. They's over thar." "Ok. Seem's they's moving an all fired mess of ships." "Yup. Wanna take a look see closer, maybe see who we can bribe?" "Ok."

Right, right. Of course, in this case, you're assuming everyone of rank is a complete idiot, which may be a touch presumptuous. "Hey, captain. There appear to be two ships over there scanning us."

"Arr, don't worry about them, laddie. They're probably just tourists taking pictures. Where do you think we get the money to fund these damn ships?"

"But.. sir! They're asking us about our fleet movements!"

"Tourists, laddie, tourists. Let them know everything."

Rate the likelihood of this ever happening. This is the same likelihood of your scenario coming to pass.

In 5 seconds I have demonstrated exactly why anyone paying attention to threats(aka The GE, the ESUS, anyone that isn't your allies) would notice fleet movements, and at the very least increase readiness.

In five seconds you've demonstrated that, so long as we're completely open and honest about our fleet movements, have no problems with ships scanning us at all points, and don't make any effort to track us whatsoever, you'll be able to notice our fleet movements quite easily.

Both of my other nations keep tabs on fleet movements, and similar information as best they are able. Anything that drops off the radar is cause for concern on both their parts.

Right. And most nations have protocols designed to obfuscate hidden observers. Firstly, if you're watching me closely, chances are, I can see you. Secondly, if you're just sitting around, passively observing.. my ships move randomly. Regular patrols are barely used. From frigates to gunships, my ships switch routes, and the random colonial patrols mean that a ship off-duty may simply be investigating a problem.

Yes, that means that I AM watching the GE pretty closely. If you can find a trio of Gunships, or a fighter squadron that's cloaked and hiding in the vastness of space, then you obviously have some pretty uber sensors.

If you can track the ships of an entire Empire with a trio of gunships and a fighter squadron from the vastness of space, your sensors are practically godwank.

Firstly, give the dude a break. Honestly. Sure, he fucked up. But it was probably an honest mistake, and if we're all good about it, and give him an honest chance to rectify it, it'll all be fine.



..right, right. It's not like space is infinitely big, or anything, right? Oh, my mistake. It's fuggin' easy to hide ships. There's a lot more space than you can search. Sure, you can probably figure out that ships are moving - but, chances are, this'll be through logistical records - thirdhand information, like asking a trader why he sold his entire food stock at Imperial World Nine Million, and him telling you the government was eager to snap it up.



Right, right. Of course, in this case, you're assuming everyone of rank is a complete idiot, which may be a touch presumptuous. "Hey, captain. There appear to be two ships over there scanning us."

"Arr, don't worry about them, laddie. They're probably just tourists taking pictures. Where do you think we get the money to fund these damn ships?"

"But.. sir! They're asking us about our fleet movements!"

"Tourists, laddie, tourists. Let them know everything."

Rate the likelihood of this ever happening. This is the same likelihood of your scenario coming to pass.



In five seconds you've demonstrated that, so long as we're completely open and honest about our fleet movements, have no problems with ships scanning us at all points, and don't make any effort to track us whatsoever, you'll be able to notice our fleet movements quite easily.



Right. And most nations have protocols designed to obfuscate hidden observers. Firstly, if you're watching me closely, chances are, I can see you. Secondly, if you're just sitting around, passively observing.. my ships move randomly. Regular patrols are barely used. From frigates to gunships, my ships switch routes, and the random colonial patrols mean that a ship off-duty may simply be investigating a problem.



If you can track the ships of an entire Empire with a trio of gunships and a fighter squadron from the vastness of space, your sensors are practically godwank.

Adressing your points in turn...

Space is big. Systems(where fleets tend to loiter, to be near the things they need to protect) are not. stationing a few fighters in the system, just powered down and watching should be nigh impossible to notice without getting right on them. Simply sitting and observing is sufficient, with the occasional burst packet on $suitably esoteric FTL Comm telling high command where you're going/what you're doing.

Your scenarios are rendered moot by the concept of a "stealthy picket" and "the fact that it helps top have your ships where they're going to be protecting shit, and not wandering out in the back of beyond at all times, because they may just end up locked out of their system when the enemy comes calling with FTLi." It also ignores logistics, and the need for such things as a staging point, jumping off point, or forward base as a supply station. You may not run out of food, but you will take damage, and having a forward base to send repair ships from, or to fall back on in the case of less critical damage would usually be considered a "good idea". Any forward base worth mentioning would, of necessity, be a system large enough to attract our notice in the first place. Gathering a fleet would just raise red flags.

You can keep light units on patrol pretty easily, but if you want a planet that's enough of a target that you decided to station a fleet there to remain that way, then you would usually keep the majority of your heavy units somewhere in the system.

Since we've already established that your fleets are either A) in the systems they're there to protect, or B) useless in the event of an attack by an opponent with FTLi, we know that my sensors are just good enough to keep an eye on a system, once we've found the fleet within it. Assuming you don't do something moronic like ignore all forms of FTLi just for shits and giggles. In which case my argument is rendered invalid, since your fleet can magically appear to pwn any enemy that attacks your systems, as long as the system gets a message off.

A few more points that hit me as I was re reading some things...

Just because your ships change routes does not mean the drop off the radar, it just means they change screens. Now they're someone else's task to watch. As long as we've seen say...your emissions signature, or gotten a whiff of your transponder(should be fairly evident if you're about showing the flag), we'll know that the ship that just appeared a few systems over, and 3 up, is the same one that left wherever X days ago. Unless of course your ships all emit absolutely nothing, or emit in exactly the same way for all classes, including quantity and type of emissions, and things that should be accounted for with manufactures margin of error... Right... You can tell my ships apart, if you have names for them(even names you made up). They're not all perfectly identical in every way for every ship of that class, and they all have different transponders. Hooray for logic.

We can assume that all your ships are always [patrolling randomly, leaving your systems wide open to attack, or we can assume that all your ships are always in garrison duty. I assume a middle ground, where heavy units can react if cruisers haven't the ability to confront whatever they found. When a ship leaves its system, and reappears very far away several days later, one may become suspicious, especially if this is repeated ad nauseum.

Space is big. Systems(where fleets tend to loiter, to be near the things they need to protect) are not. stationing a few fighters in the system, just powered down and watching should be nigh impossible to notice without getting right on them. Simply sitting and observing is sufficient, with the occasional burst packet on $suitably esoteric FTL Comm telling high command where you're going/what you're doing.

Addressing "nigh-impossible"..
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3w.html#nostealth
I think that really sums it all up, ne?

Your scenarios are rendered moot by the concept of a "stealthy picket" and "the fact that it helps top have your ships where they're going to be protecting shit, and not wandering out in the back of beyond at all times, because they may just end up locked out of their system when the enemy comes calling with FTLi.

Ah, yes. Enemy FTLi that can cover my entire system, mounted from a single ship, thus stopping me from having any chance of returning to my own system whatsoever. If only that wasn't a complete super-wank, I'm sure that'd work great for you. Fuck, why bother with such trivialities as fleets? Just throw an FTLi field up around their system, and let the c-frac bombardment begin!

You can keep light units on patrol pretty easily, but if you want a planet that's enough of a target that you decided to station a fleet there to remain that way, then you would usually keep the majority of your heavy units somewhere in the system.

Right. But when you're detecting my units (assuming that the passive sensors you're using can detect their shape, size, their energy output, their class, and the fact that they're a military/civilian ship, all from an 'undetectable' point), you can tell they've left Point A. You can't, however, unless you have spies in every single inhabited system in the universe, tell where they're arrived. Thus, you might know that ships are leaving Point A. Now, I might be sending my ships to, say, Point B. Or Point C. Or I might be sending a standard patrol which will arrive back at Point A in an hour. You can't say "well, there's a military buildup", because ships have left Point A.

If you've got enough spies, and invested heavily enough in investigating fleet movements - sure, I can understand you being able to track fleet movements of the guy who invaded you twice last month. It might be a major investment, but it's reasonable. But being able to track the movements of every fleet across an entire Empire? Unless you're on red alert every time a few ships decide to check in for supplies on a different world, or lots of ships move, say, in some sort of rotating defense, it's not going to be easy to predict fleet movements.




I'm a proponent of the FTLi-FTL = Shields-Weapons school of thought. Rather, I accept planetary FTLi - throwing up a field like that from a massive hunk of rock is acceptable. Throwing up a field that can interdict my ships from inside my system, without prior knowledge of the current conditions, whilst using ships - machines that also need their power for things like shields and life-support - these are the sorts of things that are going to have a hell of a time keeping my ships out.

[quote]Just because your ships change routes does not mean the drop off the radar, it just means they change screens. Now they're someone else's task to watch.

Right. But you can't have screens everywhere. That's what I'm saying. If you have operatives in every world, ships in every system detecting ships, chances are you don't have the money or resources to defend yourself in the event of an attack.

As long as we've seen say...your emissions signature, or gotten a whiff of your transponder(should be fairly evident if you're about showing the flag), we'll know that the ship that just appeared a few systems over, and 3 up, is the same one that left wherever X days ago.

Unless of course your ships all emit absolutely nothing, or emit in exactly the same way for all classes, including quantity and type of emissions, and things that should be accounted for with manufactures margin of error

There's also a thing called traffic. My military ships aren't the only things skimming through the skies. From superfreighters to luxury liners, to privateers and bounty hunters - there's a lot of high-grade hardware up there. And when you get right down to it - this ship may have a fairly high emission, mainly in heat, and say, for the sake of a arbitrary example, cosmic radiation. Let's assume this is a feature of my drives. It changes from time to time, depending on what features of my ships I'm using - the bathroom, the stove, the main weapons array.. it's a lot harder to detect these things than you'd think.

... Right... You can tell my ships apart, if you have names for them(even names you made up). They're not all perfectly identical in every way for every ship of that class, and they all have different transponders. Hooray for logic

Right. Although I'm a bit confused on this 'transponder' point. I mean, is this just your dead-average space communications array? What's to stop us changing the wavelength/frequency, communication on different channels, using military codenames, emitting lower or higher amounts of energy depending on the need at the time, or anything like that? A ship's emissions and communications are by no means an absolute value that identifies them throughout the void.

Rather, I tend to depend on constantly-changing systems - different codes, and different ways to crack them. My ships rarely follow set, absolute paths, and they're a lot harder to detect.

Admittedly, a fleet mobilization of the scale we've engaged in would be easy to detect. Four thousand ships on relatively short notice - yeah, I can see you being able to figre out that something's going on there. But whether it's an invasion, wargames, a set of major refits, or just the annual Fleet Barbeque on Sizzler Six, I find knowing that a lot more questionable.

I think this topic is diverting from the Thread and should be taken to the Arguments Thread...

Just my opinion though.

I think this topic is diverting from the Thread and should be taken to the Arguments Thread...

Just my opinion though.

The thread is dead, and has become a discussion of plausibility for the beginning of another thread around the same concept, with modified parameters.

Had I realized that 4,000 ships were involved, I'd have stopped my arguing at "Institutional Paranoia on the part of MM" and moved my systems to high alert.

I hadn't actually taken time to look up the other thread yet, as my job continues to eat my soul.

Ok, my take on all this is fairly simple:

The Empire is invading Asfaltum, and informed him of their preparations as an RPing courtesy. That is OOC knowledge.
However, it is likely, if they are invading Asfaltum, that they are already reasonably close to him; so it is likely he would already be keeping a wary eye on them.
Along with that, the fleet being deployed is HUGE. On the guide linked by HT earlier, he could spot that from lightyears away. He wouldn't know quite how many there were, or where they were headed, but I think it highly probable he'll know enough ICly to soil himself.
So yes, the discovery of the fleet should be RPed before the call for aid, but in my view both can come before the invasion itself.

Along with that, the fleet being deployed is HUGE. On the guide linked by HT earlier, he could spot that from lightyears away.

Right. But it's gonna take years to spot. So.. yeah. Even a huge fleet is insignificant to the size of deep space.

The United States in our real world is using this same basic excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. That confirms my logic as valid.

US foreign policy isn't exactly the best example. This shit wouldn't fly if we weren't the sole superpower left in the world.

The point is even if he did see the fleet and even if he did move to high alert as a result, he'd have no idea that the Empire was going to invade him specifically and so no reason to call for allies to stop them invading him, which is in essence the crux of this thread

The point is even if he did see the fleet and even if he did move to high alert as a result, he'd have no idea that the Empire was going to invade him specifically and so no reason to call for allies to stop them invading him, which is in essence the crux of this thread

Are you implying that if US forces had spotted Nagumo's carrier strike task force on Dec. 03 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/PearlHarborCarrierChart.jpg) that they wouldn't have had reason to expect an attack?

You can't apply naval tactics directly to space. For one thing we're dealing in a larger amount of distance. The forces of the Empire gathering in Imperial territory could mean ANYTHING, especially if it's in Sith Space as opposed to the Milky Way (Very big difference there).

Does the fact that the Empire gathers its forces mean that every intergalactic entity should suddenly give out the call for allies against their evil? The point here is that, like America, Asfaltum didn't spot and as a result couldn't accurately see any attack coming, least of all to him.

I believe they were spotted and dismissed. I cannot remember exactly but I know there was mention of something along that line in a special I saw some time ago on the Discovery Channel around the aniversery.

I could be wrong though...

Alright, first of all, I highly doubt anyone would know about this fleet. "I was watching you." Bullshit. We are deep in GE space, and if I know Sithy, he guards his borders and his nations, as well as any others in the GE, WELL. Also, I don't believe this stealth bullcrap. Trust me, we can sense you, if you could even be there, which you couldnt, because we would be scanning the crap out of the space around us.

Simply put, this is OOC info used ICly, which is a load of crap. No one should be able to know, also because Huntaer has added his cloaking field to us AS WELL. We are effectively HIDDEN. So, deal with it. No one can know of us yet, until we FRACKING attack. So, people, just simply fricking wait until we start the bloody invasion, then you can go all crazy, and start going into high alert and make this thread again. BUT ONLY THEN! Don't bother pulling some mobilizing crap now for this, cause thats just plain godmodding. Thank you and goodbye.

Alright, first of all, I highly doubt anyone would know about this fleet. "I was watching you." Bullshit. We are deep in GE space, and if I know Sithy, he guards his borders and his nations, as well as any others in the GE, WELL. Also, I don't believe this stealth bullcrap. Trust me, we can sense you, if you could even be there, which you couldnt, because we would be scanning the crap out of the space around us.

Simply put, this is OOC info used ICly, which is a load of crap. No one should be able to know, also because Huntaer has added his cloaking field to us AS WELL. We are effectively HIDDEN. So, deal with it. No one can know of us yet, until we FRACKING attack. So, people, just simply fricking wait until we start the bloody invasion, then you can go all crazy, and start going into high alert and make this thread again. BUT ONLY THEN! Don't bother pulling some mobilizing crap now for this, cause thats just plain godmodding. Thank you and goodbye.

2 of your allies disagree at least in part. Chronos and HT both agree that the fleet is rather tough to miss for anyone paying attention. They also don't dispute the rather logical statement that I have observers, unless Sith wants to claim to have perfect sensor coverage everywhere, or you desire to claim it for him. I never said I saw you rallying the fleet. You may quote me if the words "I see the fleet rallying at X location" appear in any of my posts in any form other than an example. I'd notice that many ships going SOMEWHERE, and I'd do something about it. Like go to a state of alert, and ring up CW with a warning to keep his eyes open, because Sith is getting frisky. 4,000 ships is alot. More than the entire Terran Battlefleet, and the Terran Battlefleet is a decent sized navy. So, we may therefore assume that they would be rightly concerned. 4,000 ships is enough to make any trick they might have in hand rather less useful than would be the case usually.

2 of your allies disagree at least in part. Chronos and HT both agree that the fleet is rather tough to miss for anyone paying attention. They also don't dispute the rather logical statement that I have observers, unless Sith wants to claim to have perfect sensor coverage everywhere, or you desire to claim it for him. I never said I saw you rallying the fleet. You may quote me if the words "I see the fleet rallying at X location" appear in any of my posts in any form other than an example. I'd notice that many ships going SOMEWHERE, and I'd do something about it. Like go to a state of alert, and ring up CW with a warning to keep his eyes open, because Sith is getting frisky. 4,000 ships is alot. More than the entire Terran Battlefleet, and the Terran Battlefleet is a decent sized navy. So, we may therefore assume that they would be rightly concerned. 4,000 ships is enough to make any trick they might have in hand rather less useful than would be the case usually.

I would advise though, if Huntaer does have stealth up you'd probably have mixed readings, and no real sense of true numbers.

OOC:

I apologise if this thread has in any way been misunderstood. As I have also told Unified Sith, I was planning to post this thread before he decided to attack me. Now, I may not be on the forum a lot, but I ain't blind either. I have noticed US taking over Hyperspatial Travel and some other of his exploits, and I thought it would be a good idea to address this threat since it may affect quite a few people. Now, before I managed to post this thread, I get a TG from US which basically says: "Hey, I've assembled this REALLY big fleet to attack you, but you don't know that. Good luck!"

Now, to start with, any nation with a minimal self-preservation instinct would have tried to find out what US is up to, especially since his take-over of HT. It seems as if everybody has forgotten that nice thing called espionage. Now, even if my secret agents in key positions do not know the exact details of an invasion, once I find out there's troops movement and it's in connection with Asfaltum (or my region of space in general) then that would be enough to put my forces on high alert, and contact my allies; just in case. Today's equivalent of Unified Siths OOC suggestion, is basically Russia and China invading South Korea, and then building up a huge fleet on their west coasts, while the U.S. president dwiddles his thumbs and drinks a coke with his feet on the oval room desk. That's just not going to happen.

Of course, I'm an inexpirienced RPer, I openly admit that. But, I must say that it's quite shocking that nobody of you seasoned and wise RPers has noticed the simple fact that my first post (this thread) DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE REFERENCE to Unified Siths invasion of my country! In fact, one can safely assume that those two threads have very little, if anything, to do with each other. So to all people who have been debating and overdebating about invasion tactics, SOD OFF!! Did I ever mention any invasion? NO! I just said that maybe a couple of nations should join together and consider economical and maybe military reaction to US agression. Basically an embargo against him, and maybe aiding each other in case of attack. Of course, the damage is already done, this thread is dead (at least to it's original purpose).

OK, so I shouldn't tell people ICly something discovered OOCly, but this is not what I have done in this thread. And as for Unified Siths remark You snivelling worm, I have a simple question: What do you call a 6.585 billion nation who together with his allies (all in all 34,461 billion) attack a 1,69 billion nation who hasen't been around for that long, without giving any prewarning, without declaring war, using cloaking devices on the whole bloody fleet, and basically doing everything to avoid a fair fight. Then, destroying a thread which doesn't have anything to do with the invasion, trying to avoid that other nations realize what is going on, by falsely accusing the poor guy of disclosing OOC information. A man? Hardly. A women? No way. A spoiled kid? Maybe. A spineless creep? Getting closer.

If this is supposed to be RP etiquette, and I'm guilty of breaking it because I don't fully agree with it, then YES, I'm inexpirienced and hopefully never will stop to be. And since I'm so inexperienced, I actually don't think that I am the kind of opponent you deserve. Your too good for me. So why don't you just pack your nice fleet and go looking for an equal opponent (while hopefully trying to grow some backbone) and leave us "unenlightened" RPers alone, because I don't have any intention to participate in any "Invasion thread" or other suggestion you have. In fact, my starsystem is so far away from you, I'll probably be the last nation to ever be affected by you. After all, the universe is big...

Umm... Assuming you're preparing fleets, and ANYONE is even REMOTELY paying attention(say, Siths enemies, anybody with half an IQ point, etc), tis pretty dam hard to miss. "Hey, umm... Those ships ain't where they was a few minutes ago. They's over thar." "Ok. Seem's they's moving an all fired mess of ships." "Yup. Wanna take a look see closer, maybe see who we can bribe?" "Ok."

In 5 seconds I have demonstrated exactly why anyone paying attention to threats(aka The GE, the ESUS, anyone that isn't your allies) would notice fleet movements, and at the very least increase readiness. Depending on your level of paranoia it is perfectly plausible to be proactive about the threat, and remove it before it can become one. But that's all rationalization. Some note should at least be made in the other thread that "Yup, we have our eye on you." before that route could be taken, but it would make sense for a nation to keep a wary eye on the GE.

Both of my other nations keep tabs on fleet movements, and similar information as best they are able. Anything that drops off the radar is cause for concern on both their parts. Yes, that means that I AM watching the GE pretty closely. If you can find a trio of Gunships, or a fighter squadron that's cloaked and hiding in the vastness of space, then you obviously have some pretty uber sensors. Since it'd be nigh unto impossible without wank more powerful than TCGs(ZOMG I r can see everything in mah space), I'd say that I can reasonably keep some ships sitting there looking at you.

I see many problems with this. Primarily because the empires main holdings are in effect in the Star Wars Galaxy and not the Milky Way, secondly the space the empire commands is vast, so vast that don't have the capability to defend it all.

Now this comes to my second point, due to the size of Imperial Space the bulk of our fleets are arranged into sector fleets and roaming sector fleets, as are my allies. You will find that Imperial forces always travel around in a pack, so me massing ships would in fact be "normal."

Secondly the location at which the Imperial forces are massing is on the edge of the Milky Way bordering a secret Imperial installation built and constructed for the eventual invasion of this Galaxy. Now we must evaluate you being able to discover these installations and secondly we need to evaluate you deciding that Asfaltum will be the target.

Currently the empire does this a lot, we mass fleets, we go out and invade be it Coreworlds to Novia Boozia, we are an Imperialistic alliance. We also rarely go after nations that have had no interaction with us, rarely is the key word here. At present not even Chronosia is ICly aware of who is to be invaded, only two men are. Tarkin and the Emperor himself. From Asfaltum the war will widen and the Galaxy will burn, sundered in flames. But anyway back to your "tracking."

I do not disagree that you would be able to notice Imperial ships massing, my main problem is that you would know where they're massing, and who is massing with them. You would have to accurate information from, Imperial, Chronosia, Telrosia, HT, Huntaerian fleet movements and be able to pinpoint them all, a difficult possibility indeed when many are coming from all over the Universe and just within the Milky Way.

Now, I agree, 100% that you would be able to have some cloaked ships in some Imperial systems, there are others where that would not be possible but lets just say that you did and were capable of seeing us muster our forces. How would you track us? Chronosia uses the warp, Telros uses point to point FTL, I use Hyperspace but before that I use a Warp Gate to bridge the Galaxies and the same goes for Huntaer. You would be concerned at the Imperial ship movement but not any "more than usual" since we do this a lot and the chances of it ICly affecting you are just as slim.

OOC:

I apologise if this thread has in any way been misunderstood. As I have also told Unified Sith, I was planning to post this thread before he decided to attack me. Now, I may not be on the forum a lot, but I ain't blind either. I have noticed US taking over Hyperspatial Travel and some other of his exploits, and I thought it would be a good idea to address this threat since it may affect quite a few people.

We understand this, however the problem is that this excuse has been used by many people before to organise a defence ICly out of OOC concerns. The community frowns on this even though it could be a valid reason.

Now, to start with, any nation with a minimal self-preservation instinct would have tried to find out what US is up to, especially since his take-over of HT. It seems as if everybody has forgotten that nice thing called espionage. Now, even if my secret agents in key positions do not know the exact details of an invasion, once I find out there's troops movement and it's in connection with Asfaltum (or my region of space in general) then that would be enough to put my forces on high alert, and contact my allies; just in case. Today's equivalent of Unified Siths OOC suggestion, is basically Russia and China invading South Korea, and then building up a huge fleet on their west coasts, while the U.S. president dwiddles his thumbs and drinks a coke with his feet on the oval room desk. That's just not going to happen.

Incorrect, the Empire is in fact on the outskirts of the Milky Way Galaxy, very far away from yourself. I do in fact RP that my nation is filled with enemy operatives, but with the target nation not revealed to anyone apart from one man, it will be hard to have it leak out.

Thankfully for Imperial Hyperdrive systems and Chronosian warp ability we need not even muster the invasion in your region of space, which is what we are not doing. In fact we will sweep down a Hyperspace vein and arrive at a few hundred thousand times the speed of light, but lets not get into that.

But as for your analogy, the Empire invading people is nothing new, it may be for yourself, but Coreworlds has been at war with us for years (Real Life) contesting the big evil Sith. And once again Chronosias point about size is rather valid. The simple fact is that the Imperial fleet is massing, you can know that it is, but it really wouldn't be much of a concern because we do it so often. Secondly, you wouldn't know where, which once again it is not that unusual and thirdly, having no IC interaction with the Empire, having no problems with them in the past you would probably be confident that they're not going to you. Perhaps you would instead assume that we would be going to Abh, or MM, or someone who is in fact an IC active enemy? But this is all speculation.

Of course, I'm an inexpirienced RPer, I openly admit that. But, I must say that it's quite shocking that nobody of you seasoned and wise RPers has noticed the simple fact that my first post (this thread) DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE REFERENCE to Unified Siths invasion of my country! In fact, one can safely assume that those two threads have very little, if anything, to do with each other. So to all people who have been debating and overdebating about invasion tactics, SOD OFF!! Did I ever mention any invasion? NO! I just said that maybe a couple of nations should join together and consider economical and maybe military reaction to US agression. Basically an embargo against him, and maybe aiding each other in case of attack. Of course, the damage is already done, this thread is dead (at least to it's original purpose).

No, but it does pull allies conveniently around you in the event of an invasion. Once again people have done this before out of OOC wankery, and the community frowns on the timing of such threads.

OK, so I shouldn't tell people ICly something discovered OOCly, but this is not what I have done in this thread. And as for Unified Siths remark, I have a simple question: What do you call a 6.585 billion nation who together with his allies (all in all 34,461 billion) attack a 1,69 billion nation who hasen't been around for that long, without giving any prewarning, without declaring war, using cloaking devices on the whole bloody fleet, and basically doing everything to avoid a fair fight. Then, destroying a thread which doesn't have anything to do with the invasion, trying to avoid that other nations realize what is going on, by falsely accusing the poor guy of disclosing OOC information. A man? Hardly. A women? No way. A spoiled kid? Maybe. A spineless creep? Getting closer.

A spineless creep! For so long I have been waiting for that one, for so long. *sniffles* Anyway, we are very fair people ICly and are in this for the fun of the RP and not the destruction of your worlds. We don't RP wiping out races and we remain fair to a nations wishes. But I think you will find that NS goes very stale after a while without something like this, we are shaking the covers and preparing II for a spring cleaning.

This war will be of benefit to everyone as it allows the older veteran players to engage the younger more inexperienced players in a large scale conflict which really, they havn't seen yet. The buck has to start with someone and we chose you for your IC popularity and political connections. The principle is in IC fear, imagine, a popular race such as yourself being attacked, subjugated, annexed, destroyed within mere hours, and then seeing the invasion fleet move out to scour the cosmos. It would wrack fear in our enemies, cause an uproar in II, and initiate fun roleplays and political situations in the long term.

If this is supposed to be RP etiquette, and I'm guilty of breaking it because I don't fully agree with it, then YES, I'm inexpirienced and hopefully never will stop to be. And since I'm so inexperienced, I actually don't think that I am the kind of opponent you deserve. Your too good for me.

We don't think so, the GE RP's with lots of new players because we see a lot of talent and thusly we like to interact with them as we grow, help and nurture their RP style and ability. We don't keep our heads up there in the clouds and only deal with Dec 03 nations, we instead like to insure that the community remains diverse and that we don't get class separation in the game based on when you joined.

So why don't you just pack your nice fleet and go looking for an equal opponent (while hopefully trying to grow some backbone) and leave us "unenlightened" RPers alone, because I don't have any intention to participate in any "Invasion thread" or other suggestion you have. In fact, my starsystem is so far away from you, I'll probably be the last nation to ever be affected by you. After all, the universe is big...

The Universe is big, but you have made yourself stand out, that and your nation intersects a Hyperspace lane that our cartographers have plotted. Your decision OOCly not to participate in a thread ICly will have ramifications, primarily because a lot of your allies want to get RPing in this, as seen by the support in your thread. Secondly it makes you look very bad OOCly in front of everyone, sort of akin to a temper tantrum and thirdly what happens when you go to invade someone else? Or do something a player doesn't really like all that much? Are you saying that because someone doesn't like something it's okay for an ignore? Only Godmoding is okay for an ignore in this game.

You still haven't answered my question:I have a simple question: What do you call a 6.585 billion nation who together with his allies (all in all 34,461 billion) attack a 1,69 billion nation who hasen't been around for that long, without giving any prewarning, without declaring war, using cloaking devices on the whole bloody fleet, and basically doing everything to avoid a fair fight. Then, destroying a thread which doesn't have anything to do with the invasion, trying to avoid that other nations realize what is going on, by falsely accusing the poor guy of disclosing OOC information.

Now, firstly, I have never noticed that I was popular so that's pretty new... basically that's why you chose me, you say, but the numbers here just don't add up, like I said, when it comes to a fair fight. I don't have any wish to see my world destroyed, I must admitt that, but I'm not afraid of a confrontation where the numbers are against me; I would fight to the death. I'm just thinking that it would be a much better RP if your allies met my allies. We would still be outnoumbered, but we would have home-territory advantage... so that would kinda even things out. I don't want to seem a "spass-verderber" but I just don't like your "Da, we bring in uber fleet, cloaked, surprise sneak attack, you loose, daa!" attitude. Right? ;)

You still haven't answered my question:

Now, firstly, I have never noticed that I was popular so that's pretty new... basically that's why you chose me, you say, but the numbers here just don't add up, like I said, when it comes to a fair fight. I don't have any wish to see my world destroyed, I must admitt that, but I'm not afraid of a confrontation where the numbers are against me; I would fight to the death. I'm just thinking that it would be a much better RP if your allies met my allies. We would still be outnoumbered, but we would have home-territory advantage... so that would kinda even things out. I don't want to seem a "spass-verderber" but I just don't like your "Da, we bring in uber fleet, cloaked, surprise sneak attack, you loose, daa!" attitude. Right? ;)

Oh we are at a huge misunderstanding here, let me clarify.

We do not kill planets, unless they belong to Coreworlds that is.
We do not wipe out a races civilisation or military.
We do not end a players hard IC work in a simple thread.

Instead all we do is force political concessions once the battle has been won. Naturally your military will be a little worse for wear, but we're not exactly going to wipe you out. We don't do that, as well, it would defeat the point of making political demands wouldn't it?

Oh we are at a huge misunderstanding here, let me clarify.

We do not kill planets, unless they belong to Coreworlds that is.
We do not wipe out a races civilisation or military.
We do not end a players hard IC work in a simple thread.

Instead all we do is force political concessions once the battle has been won. Naturally your military will be a little worse for wear, but we're not exactly going to wipe you out. We don't do that, as well, it would defeat the point of making political demands wouldn't it?

You realize that my people would never submit to the Sith, but rather fight to the death, don't you? Anyway, what about the details; is it possible for me to be warned about the invasion? Can we have a fair fight?

Oh we are at a huge misunderstanding here, let me clarify.

We do not kill planets, unless they belong to Coreworlds that is.
We do not wipe out a races civilisation or military.


Chronosian's are the exception to that rule ;) I just hope we can get this thread back on track, because it promises to be the start of something beautiful :D

The good old days

*looks back the the previous 20 posts*

wow...I missed alot...

I vote for doing what Chrono says. Argueing is only going to kill the thread worse. Lets restart the thread, k?

You realize that my people would never submit to the Sith, but rather fight to the death, don't you? Anyway, what about the details; is it possible for me to be warned about the invasion? Can we have a fair fight?

Quick question, do you have any fring worlds under your possesion? Perhaps the Sith could take that world as a preliminary part of the invasion.

don't worry Ed, this isn't the IC thread... :)

Absolutely, I have a base/city on a planet in the Isengard system, neighbouring my system. It's an important trade outpost, and of tactical value... US is more than welcome to attack it, and give me time to warn my allies... that way, everybody is happy :)

don't worry Ed, this isn't the IC thread... :)

Good plan.


And is there an IC thread? (I just freakin woke up so I dont feel like reading through all the posts...meh...never drink before a midterm...)

But if we were going to attack you why would we focus on one spot? Furthermore why would we tell you were we were going to attack? ;)

That's my point. Once you attack Isengard, I'll know of the invasion without you having to tell me, right? Since you may know that fact that Asfaltum doesn't give up easily, then you attack Isengard first, in order to cut of my trading routs, thus demoralize me. Also, I won't know if I should send inforcements to Isengard, or strengthen my home-planet. ;)

But the point is that the Empire can strike multiple targets at once, able to cripple numerous positions simultaneously. We could simply attack a whole host of worlds ;) Then you wouldn't know where to go

But if we were going to attack you why would we focus on one spot? Furthermore why would we tell you were we were going to attack? ;)

True true...a wise general will attack more than one spot...hmm...Ill get back to you guys on that right after a quick shower and some Ibeprofen...

But if we were going to attack you why would we focus on one spot? Furthermore why would we tell you were we were going to attack? ;)

The IC thread is the phantom invasion and will be active shortly. As for the rest of you, there is such a thing as a surprise attack, and Asfaltum has many options open to him during this battle, it's all up to him.

The method in which we are going to attack will remain secret. :P Afterall, we are enemies.

Secondly, you may not want to bow down to the Sith, but having you knee caps shot out from under you, usually leaves you with little choice.

Anyway I am glad things have calmed down OOCly and I look forward to the RP. Think of this as a learning curve, if you can get through this OOCly and ICly, then you are sorted in NS, and will earn our respect.

Quick idea before I head out...


So the Empire attacks at all sides. So Asfaultum sends a emergency frequency after the massive attack to the whole galaxy. Asfaultum is badly crippled but still fighting back by themselves, waiting for reinforcements from his allies.

My suggestion would be, let Asfaltum be Poland, c.1939.
So you hit him hard, then start hitting those of us who are his allies or otherwise aligned against you.
If that leads to you being forced to pull from his system, or being driven from it, by events elsewhere/counterinvasion, all the better.
In any case, it should lead to an extensive and wide-ranging war, capable of pulling in virtually all of FT.
If Asfaltum is not prepared to be Poland in this scenario, I am, at which point he would come under attack as part of the second wave, and could have support from the League and others, short only myself.

Quick idea before I head out...


So the Empire attacks at all sides. So Asfaultum sends a emergency frequency after the massive attack to the whole galaxy. Asfaultum is slightly crippled but still turning Imperial Star Destroyers into junk on a regular basis by themselves, waiting for reinforcements from his allies.

Fixed :p

If Asfaltum is not prepared to be Poland in this scenario, I am, at which point he would come under attack as part of the second wave, and could have support from the League and others, short only myself.

Sounds interesting...

My suggestion would be, let Asfaltum be Poland, c.1939.
So you hit him hard, then start hitting those of us who are his allies or otherwise aligned against you.
If that leads to you being forced to pull from his system, or being driven from it, by events elsewhere/counterinvasion, all the better.
In any case, it should lead to an extensive and wide-ranging war, capable of pulling in virtually all of FT.
If Asfaltum is not prepared to be Poland in this scenario, I am, at which point he would come under attack as part of the second wave, and could have support from the League and others, short only myself.

How ironic...I was thinking about eplaining it like that but I didnt want to offend any one lol. Tis a good plan :)

How ironic...I was thinking about eplaining it like that but I didnt want to offend any one lol. Tis a good plan :)

It is THE plan... I will be attacked by the second wave, and then will recieve aid from my allies, after which we will try to free Terror Incognitia...

Just one thing, I don't have internet access on weekends:( so, I would prefer if i get involved some time on sunday/monday...

It all depends on how the Empire attacks, and what we do. I'm not opposed to allies getting involved, but we all must accept that the Imperial navy and tacticians will attempt to avoid it at all costs.

We will see where this goes and how people react but, one things for sure, Asfaltum is already in a war with Glacier, his military is already engaged, and this suddenly happening will make for excellent character protrayal of his government and people.

I look forward to seeing how you role play it out.

It all depends on how the Empire attacks, and what we do. I'm not opposed to allies getting involved, but we all must accept that the Imperial navy and tacticians will attempt to avoid it at all costs.

We will see where this goes and how people react but, one things for sure, Asfaltum is already in a war with Glacier, his military is already engaged, and this suddenly happening will make for excellent character protrayal of his government and people.

I look forward to seeing how you role play it out.

Waaaaaait a moment. The thread with Glaciar is long since dead, forgotten and ditched. We can just forget that it ever happened, last time Glaciar was active was like 8 days ago, and even before that the thread had problems... ...otherwise, Glaciar wwould also have to be involved in this invasion of yours, and that's not possible for obvious reasons...

mine was just a random invasion thread (Which 8 days ago I did have the last post in, pwnt.)

I can see, though, that something like this could clearly take precedent. I'll just slink back to my lonely corner and play with Telros

Righto, well now that this thread is all okie dokie and we are all accepting this, I will have a post up tonight the actual invasion will probably take place the morrow. I'm a very busy chap sadly, and I have to prepare for church stuff etc. etc.

Are you KIDDING! This RP is open for everybody, including you, now that you're back...couldn't we just say that your home-planet gets news of the attack on Incognitia, tells you to withdraw from me (and I'm like "Whew! that was close") in order not to get involved, and then, you join forces with the Empire, or decide to fight on my side, and I get attacked (and I'm like "Oh no, I thought the worst part was over, but this is just starting")?

Also, don't drag me into this until monday. no internet access on weekends can be difficult, bye now, gotta go

Righto, well now that this thread is all okie dokie and we are all accepting this, I will have a post up tonight the actual invasion will probably take place the morrow. I'm a very busy chap sadly, and I have to prepare for church stuff etc. etc.

Aye, I hear ya. 2 Midterms+work+ a term paper + WH40K Campaign + women problems... Let the games begin! Ill be here tonight!

Nah, its cool. Not really my scene, plus I have GFFA commitments that I really ought to live up to!

OOC:


Now, to start with, any nation with a minimal self-preservation instinct would have tried to find out what US is up to, especially since his take-over of HT. It seems as if everybody has forgotten that nice thing called espionage. Now, even if my secret agents in key positions do not know the exact details of an invasion, once I find out there's troops movement and it's in connection with Asfaltum (or my region of space in general) then that would be enough to put my forces on high alert, and contact my allies; just in case. [quote]Today's equivalent of Unified Siths OOC suggestion, is basically Russia and China invading South Korea, and then building up a huge fleet on their west coasts

Actually, it's more like America deciding to invade South Africa - and then building up a massive fleet of submarines in the middle of the Pacific. It's not necessarily going to spark South African action.

But, I must say that it's quite shocking that nobody of you seasoned and wise RPers has noticed the simple fact that my first post (this thread) DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE REFERENCE to Unified Siths invasion of my country!

Touche, young porcupine. Touche. However, it is very suspect that you're only gathering defense now, when you're about to be invaded. That's what metagaming is - using OOC info for IC gain, when you have no reason to possess the IC gain. Of course, personally, I think this is an absolutely beautiful oppurtunity to Sith - he had a casus belli to invade, what with this conference, and all. However, that's not the point.

Let me give an example.


IC: The tanks moved up to Bobtown, and two infantry divisions prepared to attack Gregtown.
OOC: The attack on Gregtown is only a feint - the real attack will come at Greg City.

IC: A few tanks moved up to Gregtown in order to defend it, however, sixteen wings of close air support prepared to base themselves at Greg City. Another division of infantry was moved up to Greg City.

Sure, Gregland doesn't ICly know about the attack - but he's still using the OOC info for IC gain. That's the issue here.

Honestly, being subjugated isn't all that bad. It's the fighting that's fun. If you have no oppurtunity whatsoever to be attacked and beaten - what's the point in creating alliances, in maneuvering for better political position - what's the point of doing all that stuff in the first place?

But, yeah. I think the Poland analogy is a sound one.

Hmm... yeah, I agree... I just prefer fair fights instead of "Da, we bring in uber fleet, cloaked, surprise sneak attack, you loose, daa!" But anyway... we'll see how this turns out..

Also, please remember that I don't have internet access on weekends...

Oh, being outnumbered is more fun than you'd think. Trust me, it's better than being on the other side. Look at it this way. From an OOC perspective, let's say it's a 4-1 dogpile, you get four times the attention, and everyone else only gets a quarter. So it works out with you getting sixteen times of the attention, and the RPey goodness.

'course, that's just my view on the matter. To be honest, the GE isn't necessarily that bad in OOC terms once we've conquered someone. From what I've seen, it's more-or-less, OOCly, we're more-or-less a mutual-defense alliance where people get together on MSN, crack some jokes, and have a fair bit of fun. ICly, yeah, you have to bow to the Emperor, and send him tributes of breakdancing chickens in order to avoid his ire, but I like to think that the IC element of the thing is less important than the OOC one.

And.. yeah. I'm sure it'll all work out. I'm optimistic like that.

Hmm... oh well, we'll see...

So do we have an IC thread?

It is the Phantom Invasion. But nothings happened that will involve you guys yet.

Nah, its cool. Not really my scene, plus I have GFFA commitments that I really ought to live up to!

Good grief. It's about time you remembered.

Massive uber Sith fleets ganging up to take out the little guys. Sounds like fun ^_^

It is the Phantom Invasion. But nothings happened that will involve you guys yet.

yeah i know. just checking. It'll probably be a while before I even post.

Good grief. It's about time you remembered.

Massive uber Sith fleets ganging up to take out the little guys. Sounds like fun ^_^

Should be, well I hope so anyway. NS has grown a tad stale lately, and well, this should spice things up a tad.

yeah i know. just checking. It'll probably be a while before I even post.

Yeah most certainly, with the way the war pans out, and the initial stages that are planned, I think it's going to be a fun war. But I really want to stress to people to focus on character developments and not get bogged down in fleet matters.

More so for the defenders, since they will have a lot of drama to convey.

Yeah most certainly, with the way the war pans out, and the initial stages that are planned, I think it's going to be a fun war. But I really want to stress to people to focus on character developments and not get bogged down in fleet matters.

More so for the defenders, since they will have a lot of drama to convey.

Aye. With two of their allies getting invaded and their third (me) as evil as one could get, there will be drama :)

Characters... that'll be a bit tough for me but I can figure something out.

More so for the defenders, since they will have a lot of drama to convey.

Oh you'll have your share of drama to convey, you too... I'll see to it... :sniper:

Oh you'll have your share of drama to convey, you too... I'll see to it... :sniper:

lol I just hope you don't divide your forces to wage war in two Galaxies while fighting the home front.....

But that would be interesting to eh.... write about :p

Anyway, have a fluffle :fluffle:

See you guys on monday... have fun... save some for me though... :p

Well, thank goodness this thread isn't totally a loss. Even if you fall, Asfaltum, there's one nation who's willing to teach you the ways of the Rebel: Yours truly. Coreworlds is the largest nation who's been subjucated by the Empire and it's still fighting along with a large number of allies. You have friends in high places. It's just a matter of reaching them. ;)

Well, thank goodness this thread isn't totally a loss. Even if you fall, Asfaltum, there's one nation who's willing to teach you the ways of the Rebel: Yours truly. Coreworlds is the largest nation who's been subjucated by the Empire and it's still fighting along with a large number of allies. You have friends in high places. It's just a matter of reaching them. ;)

Sounds interesting... actually, I'v been planning something else, in case I am defeated... kinda turn my nation into something more 'sinister'... or so the Empire will think, until it's too late... but if/when the time come, I'll contact you... :p

Well Asfaltum, Coreworlds is the rebel alliance :p And would it be fine for us non members of your alliance to post ooc on your forums for this conflict? We can hopefully clear a few things up, mainly about the nations attacking and being defended. The Fedral union and I are tasked with attacking Mythrandir in the opening stages so it may be handy for us to be able to put some OOC posts in to your forum, if thats alright.

Hey, eh Tannerlorn MSN please?

Well Asfaltum, Coreworlds is the rebel alliance :p And would it be fine for us non members of your alliance to post ooc on your forums for this conflict? We can hopefully clear a few things up, mainly about the nations attacking and being defended. The Fedral union and I are tasked with attacking Mythrandir in the opening stages so it may be handy for us to be able to put some OOC posts in to your forum, if thats alright.

Sure thing...

Lets use this thread for OOC comments

Lets use this thread for OOC comments

Agreed...

A post will be up tonight. Due to Chronosias unjust, (in my opinion) forum ban, I will also be roleplaying the forces of the Imperium for a while. I will be posting tonight guys, really busy in RL, lots of stuff to do, sorry about the delay. :(

i like to add that my people are human just to clarify things.

To detail the Asfaltum situation. The Thrashians are coming down on his fleet from above, firing, my forces head on, not firing (yet) and the Chronosians coming from below not firing yet.

If you power down your shields and weapons the battle will end and we will cease firing, but, if not.... You have three flanks to concentrate on, with the 4th I'm assuming your homeworld.

Anyway, you to respond now Asfaltum mate.

my nation's name is Ganoxa not Gnaxoa plz correct the post. Thank you.

Also communistic govts does not "own" Ganoxa. Its a different RP character separate from my other one.
I am not puppet wanking as I try to keep the two nations separated as possible.

http://www.nationstates.net/ganoxa

Ok, so, is the main thread still open? Furthermore, is there any FTLi in place, if so, what is it's range? Seeing as my nation has ties with both Balrogga and Chronosia through the ESUS it would be rather easy for information about this conflict to be gathered through the grapevine. If it wrecks the RP, I'll butt out.

yes its still open i think

Not to be a dick, but that was directed to the GE and company.

Dunno if it's truely open.

I think it's just highly discouraged that people just pop out of nowhere because of "Random transmissions" or "Seeing it on scanners". It rather detracts from the realism of it to have random people popping out from every spatial orifice.

To me, it seems that there are already too many people as it is. But I am not leading this RP, just making out what I know.

EDIT: And what I said comes straight from Sithy as he told me.

Troo dat, but see, this is a jumble of alliances and political murk. Some noobs popped in and I can't control that, but I would like to get in for the sake of the ESUS, whose members are already involved, not to mention we're in open war with the GFFA, and the league is involved. Lets not forget past tensions between the ESUS and the GE. But of Sithy or Asfaltum closes it, I'll go find something else to blow up.

At least I have the decency to talk it out rather than just hijacking in, like a few other unnamed nations. :P

Troo dat, but see, this is a jumble of alliances and political murk. Some noobs popped in and I can't control that, but I would like to get in for the sake of the ESUS, whose members are already involved, not to mention we're in open war with the GFFA, and the league is involved. Lets not forget past tensions between the ESUS and the GE. But of Sithy or Asfaltum closes it, I'll go find something else to blow up.

At least I have the decency to talk it out rather than just hijacking in, like a few other unnamed nations. :P

I have no problems with people entering the Roleplay, providing they do on a realistic basis. Azaha for example is intending on entering on the side of Asfaltum, but he's going to wait for a time to mobilise and get word of the extent of the invasion.

Remember it has only been about fourteen hours since the invasion began, about two hours in game since we began the direct attack upon Asfaltum itself and any open military action.

As for learning about the invasion via ESUS channels that wouldn't fit the provision of the roleplay, since the entire attack was planned and carried out only at the top levels of Unified Sith. ICly Chronosia had no idea of where he was going or what he was going to do, till we arrived at the demarcation point. But that really is a nit pick here and can be overlooked.

The line is slightly dangerous here, as Balrogga and Chronosia are involved, two ESUS members on both sides of the fence, so people have to watch their fire.

But, I'm not closing the RP just yet, people are moving their own fronts to new threads so it's getting less clogged. But I just want realism here and a good plot which is why we're not really focusing on the militaristic aspect.

On a side note, I'm going to be gone for the weekend :( But I will try and get a post up before I depart.

All I can say Trailers is do what you want to do, and use your own judgement in what this thread is looking for from the more experienced roleplayers.... Realism. (If that's even possible since this is FT :P )

I have no problems with people entering the Roleplay, providing they do on a realistic basis. Azaha for example is intending on entering on the side of Asfaltum, but he's going to wait for a time to mobilise and get word of the extent of the invasion.

Remember it has only been about fourteen hours since the invasion began, about two hours in game since we began the direct attack upon Asfaltum itself and any open military action.

As for learning about the invasion via ESUS channels that wouldn't fit the provision of the roleplay, since the entire attack was planned and carried out only at the top levels of Unified Sith. ICly Chronosia had no idea of where he was going or what he was going to do, till we arrived at the demarcation point. But that really is a nit pick here and can be overlooked.

The line is slightly dangerous here, as Balrogga and Chronosia are involved, two ESUS members on both sides of the fence, so people have to watch their fire.

But, I'm not closing the RP just yet, people are moving their own fronts to new threads so it's getting less clogged. But I just want realism here and a good plot which is why we're not really focusing on the militaristic aspect.

On a side note, I'm going to be gone for the weekend :( But I will try and get a post up before I depart.

All I can say Trailers is do what you want to do, and use your own judgement in what this thread is looking for from the more experienced roleplayers.... Realism. (If that's even possible since this is FT :P )

Sith, I would just like to make sure that I am still ok in this thread. I only have two ships (Only one Battlestar), that are just gathering intellegence on the area near the 5th planet of the system. My forces as of now are not helping either side, unless forced to or convienced to. If I detract from the story, or clutter it up let me know and I will leave.

I wasn't planning to enter until after the plot had advanced a good bit more, and the whole invasion fiasco had advanced abit farther. That way no one will pull the "omg godmod!!4" thing.

*beats US about the head with a soap-on-a-rope*

*beats US about the head with a soap-on-a-rope*

Was that REALLY neccesary?

Was that REALLY neccesary?

Yes, considering there's a thread I'm in with him that he needs to post in :P

Ahh in regard to the earlier attack, Huntaer had raised FTLi's before you yourself engaged the Imperials. I did not respond to the attack because there was no attack to respond to. We can either assume your attempts at launching said assault were either prevented from entering their FTL drive system, or have entered the systems edge and are moving at sublight velocities to reach the Imperial fleet. Either way, I was waiting on you responding to the effect the FTLi was to have on your attack.

Just to let you know that I had posted then realised I had to edit my post as It did not take into account the FTLi in force.

So just letting people know I fixed my post and perhaps I could get a response to it?

Ahh in regard to the earlier attack, Huntaer had raised FTLi's before you yourself engaged the Imperials. I did not respond to the attack because there was no attack to respond to. We can either assume your attempts at launching said assault were either prevented from entering their FTL drive system, or have entered the systems edge and are moving at sublight velocities to reach the Imperial fleet. Either way, I was waiting on you responding to the effect the FTLi was to have on your attack.

Just wondering... how does your FTLi stop my two attacks from simply jumping out of a wormhole, and detonating in the middle of your fleet? Just wondering... I'm not so technical...:)

Ok basically if you use any true FTL weapons or drives under the effect of an FTLi [faster then light inhibitor] field it doesnt work. Now sure it should be possible to power past it with alot of ships or the like, but in the case of FTL weaponry, or even shooting a weapon out of a worm hole like that, FTLi nullifies it.

The wormhole weaponry count as FTL weaponry, so they arent really able to get through the FTLi field. FTLi is one of the staples of star wars tech, any majour encounter you can expect a heavy FTLi field until the imperials wish it to be undone, thanks to the amount of FTLi capable ships.

So FTL travel is prohibited, but what about dimensional travel. Merely slipping into another dimension wouldn't be affected would it?

Generally speaking, you'd need a specialized system for dimensional travel, and thus specialized anti-dimensional tech. But some people like to say their FTLi can block any FTL, which IMO is godmodding.

Generally speaking, you'd need a specialized system for dimensional travel, and thus specialized anti-dimensional tech. But some people like to say their FTLi can block any FTL, which IMO is godmodding.

Ok so I can still slip into another dimension to bypass the FTLi. Thnx.

What about FTL Jump drives like my nation uses. THe ship never moves FTL, it jsut folds space. I can understand the Star Wars FTLi being able to drop a ship out of hyperspace or even warp due to the high gravity fields it creates. I can even see how it would make the caculations harder to make precise due to the high gravity suddenly being in the area, but would it acutally stop a space fold system?

I could think of an FTLi that could give that trouble: constantly changing gravitational fields. By constantly warping space, spacefold would have a hard time getting in or out. But otherwise, since the Bucket herself could and did manage to jump within the atmosphere of New Caprica, I don't see gravity well generators (which is what SW FTLi is) doing much to stop spacefold unless it's capable of modulating the strength of their fields.

FTLi that the Empire uses is large and considerable. I would like to use simple Gravity type FTLi, however due to the sheer multitude of alternate NS states we have developed several alternatives.

Interdiction for SW type ships, and considerably more potent, the dimensional inhibitor, which works at maintaining a universal constant in the fabric of space time, working on preventing holes or mergers as it were from alternate dimensions.

Either way, the attack as you described Asfaltum mate has been prevented. Wormholes won't be capable of forming, nor will dimensional rifts in close proximity to the Imperial fleet.

I would like to remind abh that distress calls were announced.

I am just curious where is everyone who is not with the EMpire? Are you all still in Asfaltum space or are you near the refugee fleet.

CG has his escorts that guarded his transports corrently in my territory, assuming they are also guarding the transfer of citizens to the liners to complete the journey to Balrogga City, my interstellar city waiting at the other end of the wormhole. I also have a battlegroup patrolling about 30 light minutes beyond my borders in international space where Wander jar and Ed was fighting, just in case he wants to continue fighting someone.

CW was bringing in a force so I assume they are in international space until he states their location. Abh was also going to send in ships but I am not sure where they are, he will clear that up himself too.

I believe everyone else is in the locked down system

Azaha that xeno image was in another meeting place unless you are in the conference room where Admiral Bivun is. It was directed to Brivun anyways as a mental image, a figment.

Azaha used it while talking to Balrogga, Balrogga gleaned it from his thoughts...

Is that the Xeno image you're thinking of?

I am meeting with Consular Rend on Vanden, a system on the other side of the Milky Way.

Kala-Keihm is the double star system about ten light years from the invasion. Kala-Keihm has a 6 Ly buffer zone around it so I actually have territory 4 Ly from the invasion.

On a related note I love how mentioning me gets Az's blood up, as though my very name were corruption itself! :D

...If theres FTLi going off, how can you use wormholes in any sense?

...If theres FTLi going off, how can you use wormholes in any sense?

FTL meaning just that, FTL. Faster Than Light. Nothing I have done up to now is moving faster than lightspeed.

Already having been discussed in the sense that creating gravitational distortions to prevent any valid dimensional distortions, etc.

Besides, you cannot assure that wormholes will turn the munitions out in exactly the same path. Varying paths will be taken from a wormhole, spurting out and back into the material. Some may not even survive.

Thus you factor in a failure rate, along with the fact that they can't catch everything, meaning there will be some hits and misfires.

See this is why we fight like men, not vipers.

Already having been discussed in the sense that creating gravitational distortions to prevent any valid dimensional distortions, etc.

How do gravitational distortions counter dimensional ones, if I may ask?


Besides, you cannot assure that wormholes will turn the munitions out in exactly the same path. Varying paths will be taken from a wormhole, spurting out and back into the material. Some may not even survive.

I believe my Reflective Wormhole Generators are built on the same priciples of Balroggas Mobius Apertures... if you fail to see how they can reflect attacks, ask him.

Thus you factor in a failure rate, along with the fact that they can't catch everything, meaning there will be some hits and misfires.

I already did that... do I have to RP every little detail? Mishaps are taken for granted.


See this is why we fight like men, not vipers.

Um... are you telling me that you outnumbering me 10 to 1 is the perfect example of how men fight? I find that rather amusing...

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Sith explained this, duality of dimensional and gravitational FTLi.

I'll ask Bal, and no you don't have to factor in every little detail, I just like to know my enemies. Especially the weaknesses. ;)

At least we fight with our blades and our weapons to the front, and our own munitions streaming forward. We could care less how many men the Empire fields, so long as get our chance at Glory.

Khorne hungers...And all of you shall feed it.

The discussion of the FTLi and what it blocks starts on Post 127 of this Current Thread and continues to Post 133, all on Page 9.

Sith explained this, duality of dimensional and gravitational FTLi.

I'll ask Bal, and no you don't have to factor in every little detail, I just like to know my enemies. Especially the weaknesses. ;)

At least we fight with our blades and our weapons to the front, and our own munitions streaming forward. We could care less how many men the Empire fields, so long as get our chance at Glory.

Khorne hungers...And all of you shall feed it.

Indeed, Orthodox Gnosticsm has also just discovered the Dimensional FTLi, desinged specifically to stop what you have just attempted.

Please remember the Empire fights many nations all the time and has many simple procedures to counteract such weapons. We are in essence dragging you into a slugging match which you cannot win. The special weapons you are throwing are being counteracted, before you even use them.


How do gravitational distortions counter dimensional ones, if I may ask?

In most cases they don't, but theres two types of FTLi in operation here.

I believe my Reflective Wormhole Generators are built on the same priciples of Balroggas Mobius Apertures... if you fail to see how they can reflect attacks, ask him.

Balrogga cannot get involved in the battle because if this very FTLi. Proof enough..... But I'm sure he will post in time clarifying this.

I already did that... do I have to RP every little detail? Mishaps are taken for granted.

I agree.

Um... are you telling me that you outnumbering me 10 to 1 is the perfect example of how men fight? I find that rather amusing...

We don't pretend not to be hypocrites. ;)

Sith is right, my first post with a raptor jumping away, I was under the assumption that it was a gravitional FTLi, thus making the caculation harder. SIth explained that there is alos a deminsional one as well. We agreed that I was outside the original Demonsional FTLi forthe first jump, but now, My battlestar and gunstar can not jump. This does not mean that you can not put up a good fight or survive. It just stops reinforcements from entering the area. Sure it is annoying, but if your race has a massive drive to survive and a little creativitity then the FTLi will not present a problem. You can win without FTL weapons and wormholes. BTW Sith, I did respond to you on the previous page in the phantom invasion thread. I do not know if you missed it or not.

Sith is right, my first post with a raptor jumping away, I was under the assumption that it was a gravitional FTLi, thus making the caculation harder. SIth explained that there is alos a deminsional one as well. We agreed that I was outside the original Demonsional FTLi forthe first jump, but now, My battlestar and gunstar can not jump. This does not mean that you can not put up a good fight or survive. It just stops reinforcements from entering the area. Sure it is annoying, but if your race has a massive drive to survive and a little creativitity then the FTLi will not present a problem. You can win without FTL weapons and wormholes. BTW Sith, I did respond to you on the previous page in the phantom invasion thread. I do not know if you missed it or not.

I caught it, will be later tonight before I post.

Ok, as fast as that thread moves, I wanted to be sure you caught it. Sometimes posts can be easily overlooked ;)

Well, I edited the wormhole part, deleted it from my post... I don't have time for a new post right now, but I'll try to get one up on monday...

Btw, Chronosia, I am looking forward to any attempt of yours to board my ships... I have some rather amusing soldiers that would make for some good RPing... :p

Far more interested in your planet TBH

Well, I edited the wormhole part, deleted it from my post... I don't have time for a new post right now, but I'll try to get one up on monday...

Btw, Chronosia, I am looking forward to any attempt of yours to board my ships... I have some rather amusing soldiers that would make for some good RPing... :p

The sooner your fleet dies Asfaltum the sooner we can get this thread over with. :p

"Your fleet is lost. Your friends on Gnaxoa shall not survive. It is useless to resist. Yes, yeeees, I feel your anger, go on, strike me down, unleash your anger!" :fluffle:

So has the thread paused for the moment? I am right now waiting on Balrogga's response.

The sooner your fleet dies Asfaltum the sooner we can get this thread over with. :p

"Your fleet is lost. Your friends on Gnaxoa shall not survive. It is useless to resist. Yes, yeeees, I feel your anger, go on, strike me down, unleash your anger!" :fluffle:

Muahaha... you underestimate me... :D

...actually I have some other plans... like my entire government being deposed by a coup of military officials which are pro-imperial...

Actually Ganoxa will survive :D

also its not Gnaxoa :P

Who are we waiting for to post?

So has the thread paused for the moment? I am right now waiting on Balrogga's response.

i guess that sums it up

Who are we waiting for to post?

im waiting on a response from either you or Ganox.

I will be posting tonight.

And, of course, for Asfaltum

I'll have a post up today or tomorrow... RL is really busy right now...

Asfaltum, I don't suppose you could eh throw the fleet battle in orbit in your next post so we can get on with the interesting parts of the thread.... Ground combat and allow the other players to come in from hyperspace.

Coreworlds and Abh are waiting for you to be defeated before entering the system. I'm waiting for you to be defeated so I can move forward with my plot, and well, we're all being held up by lack of postage on your side, but it's just in the fleet battle.

Could you have the military coup happen super duper fast, so we can all get moving on this?

Pretty pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaase?

Asfaltum, I don't suppose you could eh throw the fleet battle in orbit in your next post so we can get on with the interesting parts of the thread.... Ground combat and allow the other players to come in from hyperspace.

Coreworlds and Abh are waiting for you to be defeated before entering the system. I'm waiting for you to be defeated so I can move forward with my plot, and well, we're all being held up by lack of postage on your side, but it's just in the fleet battle.

Could you have the military coup happen super duper fast, so we can all get moving on this?

Pretty pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaase?

Don't expect any easy victories... I intend to continue the space battle until I'm defeated, which may take a while... your free to try and land troops anyway, thus making me split my forces and making me more vulnerable... Btw, your FTLi generator was detected by my sensors, do you wish me to RP it's position in any special place? Oh, and feel free to try and board my ships... much easier than taking over my planet...

Coreworlds and Abh are waiting for you to be defeated before entering the system. I'm waiting for you to be defeated so I can move forward with my plot, and well, we're all being held up by lack of postage on your side, but it's just in the fleet battle.
Actually, I'll post a On-my-way post soon. We know the coordinates, we're making a plan, so we have nothing left to do but kick your ass.

Don't expect any easy victories... I intend to continue the space battle until I'm defeated, which may take a while... your free to try and land troops anyway, thus making me split my forces and making me more vulnerable... Btw, your FTLi generator was detected by my sensors, do you wish me to RP it's position in any special place? Oh, and feel free to try and board my ships... much easier than taking over my planet...

This is ineptitude on your behalf. Surrounded and even being cut into by Chronosians and Thrashians, and pounded by the Imperial fleet, your numbers MUST be decreasing very quickly.

You need to start taking large losses, since your fleet is pretty much sitting there taking the pounding surrounded without possibility of escape, we need you to to post you losing. Or posting anything at all.

You can either start losing, or we will simply use much bigger guns.

As for the FTLi generators, you will detect thousands in system.

Actually, I'll post a On-my-way post soon. We know the coordinates, we're making a plan, so we have nothing left to do but kick your ass.

... unlikely

And my apologies, Asfaltum did post.

Sorry about that old boy, but still, losses.

Very quick question, and I guess for me it does not matter since I do not have these capabilites yet, but do FTLi's inhibit FTL sensors and communications? Sorry for the newbie question, I am still somewhat new to this and I am trying to understand the FTLi. And what is the range for an average ship with FTLi to be able to disable FTL?

Very quick question, and I guess for me it does not matter since I do not have these capabilites yet, but do FTLi's inhibit FTL sensors and communications? Sorry for the newbie question, I am still somewhat new to this and I am trying to understand the FTLi. And what is the range for an average ship with FTLi to be able to disable FTL?
AFAIK, no. FTLi just blocks fleets from going in or out. Communications and sensors are theoretically still good, but I say theoretically because it's well known that the Empire always likes to put out a heck of a lot of jamming once you enter the battle. Hence the many uses of manual targeting.

I am not using my FTL sensors for that very reason. I figure the STC is locked down by all the FTLi and I can only view it from outside it, in T-Space.

Then again, that also makes it impossible for them to know where you are and to communicate unless that use "standard" systems that are limited to C. The delay this makes are over a distance it takes the signal to travel it can be jammed or the data involved could be minutes old. While that doesn't sound bad, how far can a ship travel in a couple minutes?

I am using FTL signals (Space Minus Transmitters) to relay what I am detecting so I have some delay but it would be minimal.

This is ineptitude on your behalf. Surrounded and even being cut into by Chronosians and Thrashians, and pounded by the Imperial fleet, your numbers MUST be decreasing very quickly.
You need to start taking large losses, since your fleet is pretty much sitting there taking the pounding surrounded without possibility of escape, we need you to to post you losing. Or posting anything at all.

You're forgetting a couple of things: My ships have something called "Nanite Replication Hull". Basically this enables my ships to regenerate themselves faster and more effectively than organic vessels, only that instead of tissue, we're talking armor, weaponry and other goodies like limitless ammo. They basically turn random matter into anything they need, and also "feed" on enemy ships that have been neutralized. Damaged ships move to the rear of the fleet, regenerate, and then replace the other damaged vessels at the front line. Also, I have the habit of not posting exact losses until the enemy has done so. And, my ships have more fire-power than yours, as I also pointed out in the IC thread. You're using Turbo-lasers, while I'm using Quantum Pulse Cannons. My weaponry has more power, is smaller, and has a faster rate of fire. Basically what you're doing can be compared to throwing 1000 men armed with WWI weaponry at 10 men sitting in a bunker armed with the latest assault rifles and machineguns. If I'm not massacring you, then you sure aren't massacring me. Sure, I won't be able to hold out in the long run, but I ain't going down easy either.

You can either start losing, or we will simply use much bigger guns.

You realize that is a mutual fact...

As for the FTLi generators, you will detect thousands in system.

Great, then I just take out one of them and create a really small hole for my allies to sqeeze in...

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I also understood what your armour is and what it does. My point is that each turbolaser is the equivalent of six gigatonnes of energy being thrown at you from every barrel once every four seconds.

Each Imperial Star Destroyer on average has fifty of these guns, if you then miltiply this by the five hundred I have present, the next five hundred Thrashia has present, and then one hundred Huntaer has engaged, then the one thousand ships Chronosia has present. (These are the ones that are engaging you, more are in reserve.) Then I must ask, what are your ships desinged to survive?

Outnumbered and surrounded, your shields will fail after a short time of combat. It's rather simple convention.

I don't think you are quite grasping the sheer scale of what you're facing here. So please allow me to detail it.

Fifty Heavy Turbolaser Batteries X Number of ships present
= Fifty X Two Thousand One Hundred
= 105000

So what we have here is 105000 Heavy Anti Capital Ship bolts heading at your fleet from more than three vectors, while you are remaining pretty much stationary. Okay, allow me to go on further.

On an average of firing, I'm going to put this up to every ten seconds, then every minute your fleet will be suffering 630000 Incoming Heavy Anti Capital Ship Bolts of Damage. The battle has been going for about forty minutes, so your fleet has endured, and yet not produced a sweat from 25200000 Heavy Turbolaser Bolts, while they are firing at optimum range. They're not missing mate.

Now let us go into energy estimates - 6EXP9 X 25200000
= 151200000000000000J of energy.

Now, let us take into consideration ION CANONS.

These on impact will be disabling your armour and ships systems. Your amrour may have been able to repair itself at the start of the battle, but now, half of it will have been fried.

Me, my allies and even my enemies are getting frustrated at your constant refusal to lose/take damages while you are happy to call other peoples damages.

Either start acting like a player, or I will roleplay the damages for you.

You're forgetting a couple of things: My ships have something called "Nanite Replication Hull". Basically this enables my ships to regenerate themselves faster and more effectively than organic vessels, only that instead of tissue, we're talking armor, weaponry and other goodies like limitless ammo. They basically turn random matter into anything they need, and also "feed" on enemy ships that have been neutralized. Damaged ships move to the rear of the fleet, regenerate, and then replace the other damaged vessels at the front line.

Except that that won't be happening here, since your fleet is surrounded and the vectors of incoming fire are from all angles, your damaged ships will be under fire just as much as the functional ones.

Also, I have the habit of not posting exact losses until the enemy has done so. And, my ships have more fire-power than yours, as I also pointed out in the IC thread.

I will ignore that blatant Godmode there, in you telling me what my ships can and cannot do, but let us continue for the moment. Your ships have more firepower, just.

You are outnumbered vastly, by sheer saturation firepower on a stationary target, you will be suffering heavy damage. You're not moving, being shot from all directions, the damage suffered will be too much to endure, it's like a kid trying to fence off a group of bullies. Sure he may be able to stop a punch coming in from the front and maybe the side as well, but the back, or the other side, unlikely.

You're using Turbo-lasers, while I'm using Quantum Pulse Cannons. My weaponry has more power, is smaller, and has a faster rate of fire.

Read up on turbolasers and I may agree with you.

Basically what you're doing can be compared to throwing 1000 men armed with WWI weaponry at 10 men sitting in a bunker armed with the latest assault rifles and machineguns.

If that analogy is correct, then I have one hundred men facing your bunker, just outside your range firing range equiped with WW1 artillery, all aimed at your bunker, with a further 9000 infantrymen coming in the back door, just outside of your arc of fire. You still die, I still win.

If I'm not massacring you, then you sure aren't massacring me. Sure, I won't be able to hold out in the long run, but I ain't going down easy either.


I disagree, you have made several tactical mistakes. First of all, you allowed yourself to be surrounded and attacked by a ship and fleet that specalises in this situation.

Secondly, we are massacring you, as Star Destroyers are one of the most overpowered ships in NS.

Thirdly, no allies will be coming until your fleet dies. You have pissed everyone off OOCly, and now they want to see you suffer ICly for your continued OOC delay tactics.

No matter how long this lasts, there will be no reinforcements coming for Asfaltum.

I also understood what your armour is and what it does. My point is that each turbolaser is the equivalent of six gigatonnes of energy being thrown at you from every barrel once every four seconds.

Each Imperial Star Destroyer on average has fifty of these guns, if you then miltiply this by the five hundred I have present, the next five hundred Thrashia has present, and then one hundred Huntaer has engaged, then the one thousand ships Chronosia has present. (These are the ones that are engaging you, more are in reserve.) Then I must ask, what are your ships desinged to survive?

Sorry, I missed the part where Chron had 1000 ships, I thought it was 500 or something... Anyway, I was counting on my Dimensional and Deflective etc shields to take the most of that, besides, your missing an important point; I ain't just standing there taking the beating you know, so let's include a reasonable loss of weaponry on your side as a result of my Quantum Pulse Cannons, Transphasic Torpedoes and other high-yield weapons... You may start out with that many guns, but you wont keep them for very long... this goes both ways you know...

Outnumbered and surrounded, your shields will fail after a short time of combat. It's rather simple convention.

I don't think you are quite grasping the sheer scale of what you're facing here. So please allow me to detail it.

Fifty Heavy Turbolaser Batteries X Number of ships present
= Fifty X Two Thousand One Hundred
= 105000

So what we have here is 105000 Heavy Anti Capital Ship bolts heading at your fleet from more than three vectors, while you are remaining pretty much stationary. Okay, allow me to go on further.

On an average of firing, I'm going to put this up to every ten seconds, then every minute your fleet will be suffering 630000 Incoming Heavy Anti Capital Ship Bolts of Damage. The battle has been going for about forty minutes, so your fleet has endured, and yet not produced a sweat from 25200000 Heavy Turbolaser Bolts, while they are firing at optimum range. They're not missing mate.

Now let us go into energy estimates - 6EXP9 X 25200000
= 151200000000000000J of energy.

Now, let us take into consideration ION CANONS.

These on impact will be disabling your armour and ships systems. Your amrour may have been able to repair itself at the start of the battle, but now, half of it will have been fried.

Me, my allies and even my enemies are getting frustrated at your constant refusal to lose/take damages while you are happy to call other peoples damages.

I have NEVER given any numbers on your losses, I have simply RPd combat, PERIOD! So don't say that I'm RPing your losses, cuz that's a lie... as I said before, I have the habit of RPing losses after my enemy does, like I did with Thrashia, and so far you haven't RPd any losses. It's only fair to do the same that you are asking others to do...

Either start acting like a player, or I will roleplay the damages for you.

Fine, I'll RP large losses and turn my nation into one of your vassals, just like I have been wanting for a time, I just don't understand why you don't want a fair fight... oh, and I'll RP my losses AFTER you RP yours...


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Dear god can we just get over the insane technobabble and relentless number-crunching. This is an RP site, we come here for the words, not the numbers. Face it Asfaltum, "regenerative armor" and "dimensional shielding" aside, we pound, you buckle, you pound, we buckle. It's all nice and mutual. Your assertions of technical superiority mean NOTHING to me, unless you back it up with talent and don't over use it like some wretched safety blanket.

Tell me, what will the nanites be regenerating WITH? Will they consume non-essential systems? Will they eat the crew just to give you the centimetres more of armor? Substance doesn't come from nothing. If something is utterly vaporised and obliterated by a heavy assault, then theres precious little left of it to regenerate. In which case I think I'll just hit you. Again. And Again. Till your ship eats the crew or itself.

I couldn't care less about whos guns are more powerful, because numbers count just as much as quality, and quantity as much as quality. Superior arms can work, for a time. But eventually the pressure of numbers will be overwhelming, as has been proven over and over. With Orks. With Tyranids. With the Wraith.

Now can we please get on with this and actually RP? Instead of sitting here stroking our tech-number-phallic-arguments?

It's people like this, who can't agree on anything, who constantly try and outdo the other with ridiculous and compensatory technology, who make this a chore rather than the joy I usually find writing to be.

Both of you, ought to shape up. And Asfaltum, please god learn how to quote properly and stop sticking your own text in the quote bubble, eh?

Further! While you don't seem to Rp your losses, you seem to have no trouble judging my forces, their tactics AND posting their demises in terms of fighters, without my permission.

Sorry, I missed the part where Chron had 1000 ships, I thought it was 500 or something... Anyway, I was counting on my Dimensional and Deflective etc shields to take the most of that, besides, your missing an important point; I ain't just standing there taking the beating you know, so let's include a reasonable loss of weaponry on your side as a result of my Quantum Pulse Cannons, Transphasic Torpedoes and other high-yield weapons... You may start out with that many guns, but you wont keep them for very long... this goes both ways you know...

Oh I know it does, but my point remains that the battle will be bloody, and losses are high on both sides. Yet because you have limited numbers, unlike the rampaging hordes, we can continue to throw more and more in.

I have NEVER given any numbers on your losses, I have simply RPd combat, PERIOD! So don't say that I'm RPing your losses, cuz that's a lie... as I said before, I have the habit of RPing losses after my enemy does, like I did with Thrashia, and so far you haven't RPd any losses. It's only fair to do the same that you are asking others to do...

It's more of you telling us, what your weapons will do to our ships. We agree with you, however it's normally polite to put in a "should" or a "may" Which is why, I've not been demanding you accept the power of turbolasers, as to be honest it changes from RP to RP from battle to battle, the enemy really gets to decide.

Fine, I'll RP large losses and turn my nation into one of your vassals, just like I have been wanting for a time, I just don't understand why you don't want a fair fight... oh, and I'll RP my losses AFTER you RP yours...

Please, do not misunderstand what I'm asking for here. I'm not asking for you to post, that you lose 500 ships. I'm simply asking for the background tone of your posts, to reflect the iminent defeat. You could do it from the perspective of an Admiral or whatever, to be honest, we would all prefer that the general scope of the battle remains in the background, and that you focus in, on how a character deals with what's going on, roleplay how people see the empire descending, and even those who perfrom great acts of valour against such tyranical odds. I don't care about numbers, I just care about the tone.

The only reason as to why I'm pressing this, is because so many people are moaning to me, about how slow the thread is moving. I'm willing to bypass the space battle quickly and get to ground combat so more people can come in.

Except that that won't be happening here, since your fleet is surrounded and the vectors of incoming fire are from all angles, your damaged ships will be under fire just as much as the functional ones.

They can still retreat to the middle of the fleet you know...

I will ignore that blatant Godmode there, in you telling me what my ships can and cannot do, but let us continue for the moment. Your ships have more firepower, just.

Sorry, didn't mean to be Godmoding, just trying to make an educated guess...

You are outnumbered vastly, by sheer saturation firepower on a stationary target, you will be suffering heavy damage. You're not moving, being shot from all directions, the damage suffered will be too much to endure, it's like a kid trying to fence off a group of bullies. Sure he may be able to stop a punch coming in from the front and maybe the side as well, but the back, or the other side, unlikely.

Sure, but if the kid floors some of the bullies, that reduces the damage/hits he takes... Anyway, I get your point...



Read up on turbolasers and I may agree with you.



If that analogy is correct, then I have one hundred men facing your bunker, just outside your range firing range equiped with WW1 artillery, all aimed at your bunker, with a further 9000 infantrymen coming in the back door, just outside of your arc of fire. You still die, I still win.



I disagree, you have made several tactical mistakes. First of all, you allowed yourself to be surrounded and attacked by a ship and fleet that specalises in this situation.

Secondly, we are massacring you, as Star Destroyers are one of the most overpowered ships in NS.

Thirdly, no allies will be coming until your fleet dies. You have pissed everyone off OOCly, and now they want to see you suffer ICly for your continued OOC delay tactics.

Firstly, if people are pissed at me OOCly, than why don't they tell me, OOCly. Or just send me a TG with some friendly advice to the newbie... if they don't, then I don't care what they think or don't think, cuz I can't read their minds... Secondly, I can't help it if RL is really busy right now, is it my fault that I put priority on my education, or that I'm part of a student exchange all of a sudden? Just cuz you don't have a life, doesn't mean that the rest of us don't, no offense... just a little irritated, I had three tests last week, two tests this week, and one test next week, AND the teachers are dumping lots of work on us and expect us to finish it off in notime, it's amazing how generous they are with OTHER PEOPLES time...

No matter how long this lasts, there will be no reinforcements coming for Asfaltum.

Thaaaanks, I had nooo ideeeea that was the case...
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The only reason as to why I'm pressing this, is because so many people are moaning to me, about how slow the thread is moving. I'm willing to bypass the space battle quickly and get to ground combat so more people can come in.

Well, the only reason why my fleet is still there, is because your FTLi is hindering me from making a dignified retreat... otherwise, this would be long over...

They can still retreat to the middle of the fleet you know...

I agree 100%, but think of it like this. Your sending damaged ships to the middle of the fleet, it makes sense I do the same, I take damaged ships off the front line and sned nice new ones in their place. But, due to the sheer numbers problems, I see that your ships will be getting damaged before the middle ones can repair, until, your fleet is entirely damaged. In this case, where you are so overwhelmed, sending ships to be repaired on the battlefield is a short stall at best. Not to mention it only serves to decrease the ammount of firepower you have hitting back at the numerical foe. But we are in agreement, you can do that, and I accept it.

Sorry, didn't mean to be Godmoding, just trying to make an educated guess...

Not a problem, and we accepted it, well I have ICly at least anyway.

Sure, but if the kid floors some of the bullies, that reduces the damage/hits he takes... Anyway, I get your point...

lol, I just get the image of some kid with glasses flooring Darth Vader from that, it's a compliment.

Firstly, if people are pissed at me OOCly, than why don't they tell me, OOCly. Or just send me a TG with some friendly advice to the newbie... if they don't, then I don't care what they think or don't think, cuz I can't read their minds...

Good, I'm very very glad you take that opinion, but they have been coming to me to ask you in regard to the matters. I should have made that known, it is my error and I apologise.

Secondly, I can't help it if RL is really busy right now, is it my fault that I put priority on my education, or that I'm part of a student exchange all of a sudden? Just cuz you don't have a life, doesn't mean that the rest of us don't, no offense... just a little irritated, I had three tests last week, two tests this week, and one test next week, AND the teachers are dumping lots of work on us and expect us to finish it off in notime, it's amazing how generous they are with OTHER PEOPLES time...

LOL I know the feeling. As a leader of a main alliance on NS, full time church work/guy and student, I get annoyed when people demand I post as well, but it's just enthusiasm for the game. We just need to take it with a pinch of salt, as to be honest, I get annoyed when others dont post too.

Thaaaanks, I had nooo ideeeea that was the case...

I always forget that tone, does not pass in writing. Just imagine Tarkin saying that above, it was a kind of character based comment. :p

Well, the only reason why my fleet is still there, is because your FTLi is hindering me from making a dignified retreat... otherwise, this would be long over...

Can't have you running around the Galaxy bring hopes of freedom to billons of enslaved peoples just like Coreworlds no can we :P

You can always make a charge though our lines and see how many can escape. Sure losses will be heavy, but FTLi means FTLi, if you get past us and head out system you're home free.

I am also very glad, that, we're debating this like two reasonable people and not allowing anger or, any other nasty emotion to get in the way of a story.

Can't have you running around the Galaxy bring hopes of freedom to billons of enslaved peoples just like Coreworlds no can we :P

You can always make a charge though our lines and see how many can escape. Sure losses will be heavy, but FTLi means FTLi, if you get past us and head out system you're home free.

I am also very glad, that, we're debating this like two reasonable people and not allowing anger or, any other nasty emotion to get in the way of a story.

What if I let my cloaked ships take out a couple of your FTLi generators so that my fleet (or a great deal of it..) can like sqeeze out or something...

Why would you want to escape, life will not get better for, "Cruel Coreworlds will demand that you stand, I will only require that you kneel."

As for the FTLi's there lots, crap loads, taking a few out would require you to fight past the blockade and hit Huntaers Warp Disrupters, and also hit the FTLi's on the Executor. You will have about a thirty second window to get to the hole in the field, before it's closed up. And even then, it requires taking down the shields of the Executor, which is at the back of the Imperial fleet :p

Right, so here's the deal... you post your losses, then I post mine, together with my entire government being deposed of, which basically means that I will surrender and my fleet will stop firing at you. Of course, the situation is still uncertain on the ground and a fire fight begins as soldiers try to put the government back in power. Basically you got to land troops in order to help my new (pro-imperial) government gain controll... that way I get to surrender and stop any further losses of my fleet, and you get your little ground-war, and everybody lives happily ever after... except the Jedies...

Right, so here's the deal... you post your losses, then I post mine, together with my entire government being deposed of, which basically means that I will surrender and my fleet will stop firing at you. Of course, the situation is still uncertain on the ground and a fire fight begins as soldiers try to put the government back in power. Basically you got to land troops in order to help my new (pro-imperial) government gain controll... that way I get to surrender and stop any further losses of my fleet, and you get your little ground-war, and everybody lives happily ever after... except the Jedies...

Don't bother posting numbers, just post the surrender, and make a good RP out of it, with character interaction.

The last part made of your post made me very happy. :P But we will require you to surrender ICly first, before we stop firing. I think, Chronosia for sure will want to RP out a ground battle, and theres a lot more to be done. The Emperor himself wants something from your world. He will be going down to find it. This is where the RP really kicks off.

And when your allies jump in.

Don't bother posting numbers, just post the surrender, and make a good RP out of it, with character interaction.

The last part made of your post made me very happy. :P But we will require you to surrender ICly first, before we stop firing. I think, Chronosia for sure will want to RP out a ground battle, and theres a lot more to be done. The Emperor himself wants something from your world. He will be going down to find it. This is where the RP really kicks off.

And when your allies jump in.

You realize you'll be outnumbered once you land on my planet... the positions will be reversed :D


Anyway, I'm waiting for you to post losses on the IC-thread, and then I'll RP the surrender...

You realize you'll be outnumbered once you land on my planet... the positions will be reversed :D


Anyway, I'm waiting for you to post losses on the IC-thread, and then I'll RP the surrender...

Bah. I was looking forward to a good scrap

:p

Bah. I was looking forward to a good scrap

Yes. let you anger flow. Let it power you! :)

Couldn't help myself...

BTW In the new Command and Con. game, The guy who plays Lando is in it!!! YES!!

Yes. let you anger flow. Let it power you! :)

Couldn't help myself...

BTW In the new Command and Con. game, The guy who plays Lando is in it!!! YES!!


How is that game? I have not tried it yet, but is it as good as the previous command and con.'s?

How is that game? I have not tried it yet, but is it as good as the previous command and con.'s?

Buy it, download it illegally, or beat up an old woman to get it. You will love it.

Yes. let you anger flow. Let it power you! :)

Couldn't help myself...

BTW In the new Command and Con. game, The guy who plays Lando is in it!!! YES!!

Pah! Nothing next to good old Joe Kucan, plus Tricia Helfer, Michael Ironside, Grace Park and Josh Holloway :P

Billy Dee is nothing, he was better on Scrubs XD

I thought he was funny in Ladies Man.

Le sigh...I am being outbid in buying a rare Tyranid model from Armorcast...damn I have to have that Exocrine!!

So Billy Dee is the second Star Wars actor to appear in the C&C Tiberian Campaigns the other being James Earl Jones in Tiberian Sun. Billy Dee is not nothing... hes a damn good actor.

Ive been playing Westwood's C&C and C&C-like games since Dune II. I am glad that it went back to the classic interface unlike Generals. Although I am quite used to the AoE interface of most RTS its a nostalgic feeling that I would quite enjoy. Well hopefully the Scrin would introduce some interesting new tactics on the battlefield. I can't wait for Red Alert 3, I wonder who the Soviets are going to invade next lol.

So Billy Dee is the second Star Wars actor to appear in the C&C Tiberian Campaigns the other being James Earl Jones in Tiberian Sun. Billy Dee is not nothing... hes a damn good actor.

Ive been playing Westwood's C&C and C&C-like games since Dune II. I am glad that it went back to the classic interface unlike Generals. Although I am quite used to the AoE interface of most RTS its a nostalgic feeling that I would quite enjoy. Well hopefully the Scrin would introduce some interesting new tactics on the battlefield. I can't wait for Red Alert 3, I wonder who the Soviets are going to invade next lol.

I think someone should take heed of last night's South Park and make a mod where instead of the Russians invading, its the British :)

jk guys. I love ya Brits like you were me mum.

Niiat thought quietly to himself, then spoke, "I may have a solution to this problem."

It had been two weeks and already 33% of the planet belonged to the Kraeton. Ballistas and Asesinos alike were stampeding across the dying forests of the world, hunting down life one by one. Volucari, flying daemons spawned from the Gestation Magens that now littered most of the continent. They picked off rampaging stampedes of animals and tore them apart. The Kraetons were spreading and horriffically fast too.

OOC: Alright it is all your Balrogga/Ganoxa

The problem with this statement and the invasion is it really has only been a couple hours since they began their strike. We have time out of wack with the invasion Thread if those two weeks are taken into effect.

I was worried about the 10 minute trip my frigate took to get to the CW fleet throwing the RP out of synchronicity.

We need to make sure all the different time frames line up correctly.



@Unified Sith:

What is the current time frame we should be at? How long as the attack taken so far?

@Unified Sith:

What is the current time frame we should be at? How long as the attack taken so far?

1 hour. Again, please people, do not fluid time, as it only means you have to wait for the rest to catch up.

Which could be 2 Weeks RL :p

Well, see you guys again on monday, hopefully someone will have posted in the IC-thread until then...

@CW:


There is no stress from my captain, he thinks the reaction will be comical when the prince figures out he is there. He is making sure he doesn't laugh at his reaction though, it would not be good relations if I were to laugh at a Prince, even one that is currently an enemy.

Problem: I won't have Internet access for one week, from this friday until monday one week later. I know, it sucks. But there isn't much I can do about it... and I don't want anybody else RPing my forces...

Solution: Maybe, we could put the invasion of my homworld on ice for a while, and the GE could concentrate on Ganoxas homeplanet, which everybody seems to have forgotten. By that time, I should be back...

Any other ideas? :(

Will since you surrendered, there is not going to be too much need for your "forces."

Will since you surrendered, there is not going to be too much need for your "forces."

Actually, only my fleet has surrendered, while a large part of my ground forces remain loyal to my king, that's why the GE is preparing a ground assault on my capital, as certain pro-imperial government officials have tried to take controll of my world but only succeeded in making my fleet surrender, so they need aid from the Empire...

Actually, only my fleet has surrendered, while a large part of my ground forces remain loyal to my king, that's why the GE is preparing a ground assault on my capital, as certain pro-imperial government officials have tried to take controll of my world but only succeeded in making my fleet surrender, so they need aid from the Empire...

Oh I am sorry, I misunderstood.

Problem: I won't have Internet access for one week, from this friday until monday one week later. I know, it sucks. But there isn't much I can do about it... and I don't want anybody else RPing my forces...

Solution: Maybe, we could put the invasion of my homworld on ice for a while, and the GE could concentrate on Ganoxas homeplanet, which everybody seems to have forgotten. By that time, I should be back...

Any other ideas? :(

Can I get a response? Or do I have to just ditch this thread? I want to be sure that nobody is going to RP my forces or start the battle while I'm gone... when I get back we can just continue from where we left off...

Can I get a response? Or do I have to just ditch this thread? I want to be sure that nobody is going to RP my forces or start the battle while I'm gone... when I get back we can just continue from where we left off...

Well there are quite a few people waiting for you to fall, so we can try and save you. My best suggestion is since you will be away for sometime, completely surrender. Then those that are waiting, can move in, and you should hopefully be back by then, and you can start an inserrection. You wil lstill get your ground battle, when you desire it, but you would not be holding anyone else up. Just my idea.

Remember, to enter the system it will take a long time since the multiple FTLi fields would make us crawl in from the edge of the system at sub-light speeds, through the gauntley the invaders set up. I do have a strike force ready but someone needs to weaken the Executor's FTLi to get them through. They are no help at the moment.

It would take a couple hours to fight our way to you and by then there will not be enough ships left to free the planet. This is the reason I detest all-encompassing FTLi. too easy to use it as a weapon, especially at such large ranges as an entire system.

Can I get a response? Or do I have to just ditch this thread? I want to be sure that nobody is going to RP my forces or start the battle while I'm gone... when I get back we can just continue from where we left off...

You will have a post. We really don't need you any more in the thread at all, since capturing your planet has never been the strategic goal. When you return you will find a story of great interest, and a nation quite in ruins beyond your scope of control. ^_^

Remember, to enter the system it will take a long time since the multiple FTLi fields would make us crawl in from the edge of the system at sub-light speeds, through the gauntley the invaders set up. I do have a strike force ready but someone needs to weaken the Executor's FTLi to get them through. They are no help at the moment.

It would take a couple hours to fight our way to you and by then there will not be enough ships left to free the planet. This is the reason I detest all-encompassing FTLi. too easy to use it as a weapon, especially at such large ranges as an entire system.

I'm sure if you were facing an extra dimensional foe, who could watch you at will, and attack at will, and pull out your sun at will, you would have a differing opinion on FTLi's. :p

That is what Type Specific FTLi is for.

The Blanket Type seems a bit overpowered, especially when applied to a whole system. Most FTLi only applies to a few light seconds to a couple light minutes to justify not allowing the hyperspace jump inside the sheilds maneuver. That is logical because the power drain of that is reasonable. The powerdrain to cover an entire system is incredible.

Please mind that I am not bitching here, just stating an opinion that blanket FTLi is overpowered in such uses because it was only meant as a ranged defense for ships and such.

I will drop the topic now and speak no more of it here.

You will have a post. We really don't need you any more in the thread at all, since capturing your planet has never been the strategic goal. When you return you will find a story of great interest, and a nation quite in ruins beyond your scope of control. ^_^

May I point out that since you obviously don't need me any more, and since I'll be inactive for a while, then I'd appreciate it if you simply ignore me in your posts until I'm back. It would be against NS etiquette to RP any attack on me, while I'm unable to respond, and I will ignore any such attempt... also, I hope you guys realize that to bring the Deathstar into my system US is required to deactivate the FTLi for a while, allowing you to enter the battle, so there is really no need for me to surrender for you to jump in...

We are fully aware of the FTLi problems of bringing in a new ship to the system. Since of course our vessels travel at millions of times the speed of light, the corridor need merely be open for 0.00000005 seconds perhaps? Something like that. Not to mention it shall probably come out half way through the system and no where near yourself. Theres no need for us to deactivate the entire network for a ship to come in.

I shall not RP your military forces, however it would be kinds of you, if you could give Chronosia and Thrashia some rope to write some posts regarding the ground combat?

Apologies on my lack of postings so far, but it's easter week, and my church does have a lot on. Not to mention I'm currently as ill as a dog with smallpox.

Ground combat can't be RPd next week, that's what I've been trying to say... Period. It's not going to be a good RPing if only the attackers get to RP, right? As I said, we can get the ground battle going when I come back. Until then, you can RP troop preparations or whatever, cuz when I get back I'll ignore any ground assaults that have taken place, cuz I won't have had any chance to stop them. AND, since my fleet has surrendered there is no reason for you to still be engaging the FTLi, so I don't understand why you are refusing to let my allies in, with the excuse that I haven't surrendered. That's blackmail, making my allies get angry at me for not being able to participate, when the real culprit is u, and I won't make myself be manipulated by such tactics.

Now, I'm sure this is probably some big missunderstanding, but I don't have time for this. This is probably my last post for now, so I just want to stress the point that you shouldn't attack me until I'm back, and able to defend myself, because that would be unfair. More unfair than outnumbering me 10 to 1, setting up anFTLi and trying to avoid a fair fight in general.

Firstly we are aware of Coreworlds intentions by the same means he is aware of ours. So it would be reason to assume that we would keep the FTLi up. Secondly, it's normal procedure to keep the field up until victory is achieved, how do we know if you have reinforcements or not?

Thirdly, very well we understand entirely, but we will be entering a cave system somewhere on your planet.

As for the fair fight thing.... Last time I checked it was and always has been military procedure to get the upper hand in combat?

You allies can still enter, its just they will be some distance from the FTLi fields, meaning they will be fighting a second, later battle. Ship based FTLi doesnt always cover an entire system, there are places that you can fit inside and start to move out. Admittedly thats alot of ships putting up FTLi so overpowering it locally wont likely happen.

If someone does want to come in and help out in the asfaltum system [and it is standard procedure to keep FTLi up for a while.] They simply have to move towards the foe at sublight, meaning it might take a few more hours for the fight to begin..this would actually lead to a battle of maneuvers which could give advantages to the defenders, who know the territory a bit better, even as allies.

A few things to think about, we dont want it to seem unfair, but FTLi is one of the staples of Star Wars style combat. It allows for fleet maneuvers and battles all over a planetary system! This could be as good for defenders and allies as it could be for the enemy. So allies who wish to participate, keep in mind that now its up to you to plan a strike and move in to try to help your allies, after all a decisive battle against a portion of the GE fleet could help your cause more then fighting one desperate stand. So yes, CW also knows the drill on imperial tactics and fighting with FTLi, so he is likely thinking of something to do like that. Remember with Asfaltums fleet surrendering, their is no urgency to getting a bunch of ships over asfaltum. Now those ships can be best served in fighting a war throughout the entire system, its the best chance to strike back. Every bit of damage done here serves the war effort elsewhere, on both sides.


Good luck all!

Thirdly, very well we understand entirely, but we will be entering a cave system somewhere on your planet.

Sure, as long as it's not inhabited and it's in a desolate area (like, not close to a metropolis)...

Sith at some point since there is down time, can we continue the thread that I started, to determinethe fate of my ships under attack. THis is essential for me, since it will lay down the actions in the Phantom invasion thread. I understand though that for you being easter week, that you will be very busy. At some time though I would appreciate it.

The problem with this statement and the invasion is it really has only been a couple hours since they began their strike. We have time out of wack with the invasion Thread if those two weeks are taken into effect.

I was worried about the 10 minute trip my frigate took to get to the CW fleet throwing the RP out of synchronicity.

We need to make sure all the different time frames line up correctly.



@Unified Sith:

What is the current time frame we should be at? How long as the attack taken so far?

OOC: Ok I am finally back. I couldn't get on Jolt for some reason...

As for the two weeks, it was two weeks on the planet because the planet has a different solar cycle on it, however, I'll change it if you guys want.

As far as ground combat, the attackers can post their initial posts such as the landing of their troops. They would then have to wait for your post regarding your reaction to the landing of said troops. It is the same as any other post.

That said, of course the attackers cannot post losses, only the setup for the ground assault as in any RP situation. The only thing is you will have posts to respond to when you return. It would be better than waiting to find out when you return and then posting the landing which would further delay the RP a day or two more.

As far as the FTLi goes... The Strike Team I have there is charged with the destruction of The Executor itself. A flashed opening half a system away would not allow me to get there and use the opening in time and my "appearance at Neptune will not allow me to suprise anyone on Mercury" (an example) so I am still looking for an opening to get to The Executor.

That doesn't mean that the rebels cannot discover the Death Star's movements and figure out it's time of arrival (something CW would need to do with his IC experience with Hyperspace making him the most likely candidate to figure out the window of opportunity). Again, that would be up to Ahb and CW along with any others they might be able to convey the information to, if they can figure out the DS is on the way with their extensive spy networks. I don't have that ability myself.

I still have a battalion on the Asfaltum surface. Can i participate in the defense after Asfaltum makes his post

SOrry all I have been away for a few days, did I miss anything fun or interesting?

Just waiting on Coreworlds posting. I will get to our thread ASAP.

OOC: Hey Sith, should I post the ground forces you asked for here or in the Phantom Invasion? I posted them in the other thread first, but I'll move it here if you'd like.

OK, once again I am back. I have been having some real problems with Jolt, but I think everything has been taken cared of. So...what I miss?

Everything stagnated with people taking spring break around this time. Asfaltum has to return to handle the ground invasion part and they are waiting ont hat part. Sith is waiting to hear from Coreworlds and I took the ship we were meeting on to his fleet so we could meet with him too.

Yeah. By the way, it's time for the meeting.

Who else are we waiting for in this meeting?

Ok the wait isnt to to bad, it lets Mythrandir and I get Birthright to the same stage as the Asfaltum invasion. Which is good as the attacks are supposed to be simultaneous heh.

I'm back from my Easter holidays... will post on the IC-thread soon...

I am just curious, how are the necromongers going to get into the system with the ftli up? If they are already in the system, how are they avoiding detection? I am not nitpicking, I am truly curious, because if they can get in quickly then that method might aid us in aiding you.

Ah what does it matter when Asfaltum will merrily bastardise anything he comes across without thought, reason or even the vaguest hint that it existed. If this fails (Which due to FTLi it likely will), then he'll simply wank another enormous ally into existence.

Mad hint here..You can't pull in a giant fictional empire to bolster your own defence forces.

I honestly tire of this hack and his trivialities.

Also, the Necromongers don't worship Order, they simply believe in their own twisted religious dogma and converting all to their banner for the sake of a twisted alternate universe.

That actually renders them much closer to me :P

This thread is NOT merely a mix of movies and games, thats simply the mixed basis of nations. You are not doing this for the entertainment of anyone, merely the annoyance of many.

10,000 ships?

That is a bit much, almost godmoddish because for that they would need a population of ten billion to support by conventional NS standards (The 1000 ships per 1 billion pop rule).

Besides, It was mentioned earlier by you that you were going to join the GE and your goverment was to be overthrown. Now have you changed your mind?

It would be easier for us (CW, Abh, OG, ED, CW, Balrogga) to help you if you would remain consistant in your plans, or at least keep us informed.

And to think I was actually waiting for you to get back so I could get my war on. BUT NO!

I will not be posting until this is resolved.

Hmm... will this sucks. Asfaltum, in order to get this matter resolved, I would highly suggest that you edit your post, and stick with your original plan. Losing can be fun as well. Look at my thread with Unified Sith, I know that my one Battlestar can not win against four Imperial Star Destroyers. But the story is what is important, so my ship is trying to survive, but chances are it will be boarded soon enough when the Star destroyers find the ship which should be soon. Please reconsider your post.

Sorry folks... that's what happens when you try to be funny... I was actually planning to have them pop out at the edge of the system (outside the FTLi) and work their way in, but obviously I'll have to reconsider that...

So, according to my population (1,99 billion) I should have 1990 ships. Until now, I've RPd my forces as 680 ships, thus I have a surplus of 1310 ships which I haven't used. If I edit the Necromongers ship numbers from 10 000 to 1310, could I still RP them?

Sorry folks... that's what happens when you try to be funny... I was actually planning to have them pop out at the edge of the system (outside the FTLi) and work their way in, but obviously I'll have to reconsider that...

So, according to my population (1,99 billion) I should have 1990 ships. Until now, I've RPd my forces as 680 ships, thus I have a surplus of 1310 ships which I haven't used. If I edit the Necromongers ship numbers from 10 000 to 1310, could I still RP them?

Okay, please remember people that this RP is also an educational experience for some of NS's newer members such as Asfaltum, so we need to give quite a bit of rope.

Unfortunately, you cannot bring in the Necromongers. They have no part in your IC nation and would in fact require you to have a significant background story for them to be accepted. Though it is up to you to go that way after the war if you wish.

I would ask for some small leeway in regard to my emperor on the planet. I am conducting a huge plot revelation with him and the Galactic Empire, which will have consequnces for the entire political spectrum of Nationstates - I'm asking if you will let me RP the cave complex in keeping with the background I have set up?

As for our treatment of your forces during your departure, we have been very fair, all that we have done is landed in a desert, and Thrashia has landed in a city square en-masse and quickly. It's rather probable that you will take some time to redeploy, since well, you cannot position forces all over a city in bulk.

As for me, I landed in a desert, which I would hope was undefended lol, otherwise you have some odd priorities. But lets just bypass those areas and keep in the spirit of the thread.

I have some possible advice for you Asfaltum in roleplaying, or what to roleplay in the thread.

You could just barely touch on military affairs and concentrate on one character throughout, such as an infantryman struggling to fight back the endless hordes of Imerials and Chronosians.

You could RP a lone family, mere civilians caught up in the chaos, their reaction to the devestation of their home.

You could RP your own civil war in detail, with the hatreds between both sects of your government boiling against each other during the war with the Empire. A Three way battle as it were.

Or you could even Roleplay a philosopher, watching events from a hill or tower, recording and musing his thoughts about it all.

But sadly no one will accept the Necromongers at this moment in time. You may take your nation that way after the war, and I will even help. But not right now.

Okay, please remember people that this RP is also an educational experience for some of NS's newer members such as Asfaltum, so we need to give quite a bit of rope.

Unfortunately, you cannot bring in the Necromongers. They have no part in your IC nation and would in fact require you to have a significant background story for them to be accepted. Though it is up to you to go that way after the war if you wish.

I would ask for some small leeway in regard to my emperor on the planet. I am conducting a huge plot revelation with him and the Galactic Empire, which will have consequnces for the entire political spectrum of Nationstates - I'm asking if you will let me RP the cave complex in keeping with the background I have set up?

As for our treatment of your forces during your departure, we have been very fair, all that we have done is landed in a desert, and Thrashia has landed in a city square en-masse and quickly. It's rather probable that you will take some time to redeploy, since well, you cannot position forces all over a city in bulk.

As for me, I landed in a desert, which I would hope was undefended lol, otherwise you have some odd priorities. But lets just bypass those areas and keep in the spirit of the thread.

I have some possible advice for you Asfaltum in roleplaying, or what to roleplay in the thread.

You could just barely touch on military affairs and concentrate on one character throughout, such as an infantryman struggling to fight back the endless hordes of Imerials and Chronosians.

You could RP a lone family, mere civilians caught up in the chaos, their reaction to the devestation of their home.

You could RP your own civil war in detail, with the hatreds between both sects of your government boiling against each other during the war with the Empire. A Three way battle as it were.

Or you could even Roleplay a philosopher, watching events from a hill or tower, recording and musing his thoughts about it all.

But sadly no one will accept the Necromongers at this moment in time. You may take your nation that way after the war, and I will even help. But not right now.

OK, I'll edit...

OK, I'll edit...

I will wait to see what you edit before I post!!!!

Anyways, if you only had MSN or AIM or something like that this would be soooo much easier :-)

I will wait to see what you edit before I post!!!!

Anyways, if you only had MSN or AIM or something like that this would be soooo much easier :-)

I agree... you can see what I edited in my post in the IC-thread, I've already edited it... Btw, you can TG me you know... no need for MSN...

I agree... you can see what I edited in my post in the IC-thread, I've already edited it... Btw, you can TG me you know... no need for MSN...

OOC: MSN makes things easier sometimes bro.

Much much easier.

Asfaltum, just so you have a clear vision of what my men are doing, I will explain their dispositions:

12th Army Group

This force landed outside your capital city, south of it, and its commander, General Sturm, has sent a mechanized force to surround the city while simultaneously sending a reinforced brigade of heavy infantry to march directly on the city. All within a matter of hours after the initial landing of my troops. At the same time those landing zones are being given a work over by my men, building defenses and supply depots.

Khan Group

This army group contains the majority of my forces that made planet fall. Field Marshal Wittmann has sent a large group of troops to assault and capture your main industrial areas, which I assumed would be guarded by your army. (I believe I was correct in that, was I not?)


Also, Chronosia is the one who bombarded you. My ships did not. I simply landed en masse asap to achieve surprise and gain position. So don't assume that everyone is bombing you. As for your underground bases, thats cool, a neat idea...however your cities and industry isn't underground, and those are my present targets. I'd like to have some sort of proper reply to my attack on your capital, aka your men running into my forward skirmishers and then the attack building from there...just an idea.

Asfaltum, just so you have a clear vision of what my men are doing, I will explain their dispositions:

12th Army Group

This force landed outside your capital city, south of it, and its commander, General Sturm, has sent a mechanized force to surround the city while simultaneously sending a reinforced brigade of heavy infantry to march directly on the city. All within a matter of hours after the initial landing of my troops. At the same time those landing zones are being given a work over by my men, building defenses and supply depots.

Khan Group

This army group contains the majority of my forces that made planet fall. Field Marshal Wittmann has sent a large group of troops to assault and capture your main industrial areas, which I assumed would be guarded by your army. (I believe I was correct in that, was I not?)


Also, Chronosia is the one who bombarded you. My ships did not. I simply landed en masse asap to achieve surprise and gain position. So don't assume that everyone is bombing you. As for your underground bases, thats cool, a neat idea...however your cities and industry isn't underground, and those are my present targets. I'd like to have some sort of proper reply to my attack on your capital, aka your men running into my forward skirmishers and then the attack building from there...just an idea.

Thanx Thrashia, I appreciate that :)

I'll try to post a response today...

Orthodox, I'm a little sceptical to you accusing my people of being collaborators and wanting to use large scale nukes on me. I realize that you might be saying that simply for RP reasons, but anybody with decent sensors would see the immense barrage of fire which my planet is throwing at the invaders. As for my fleet surrendering, they were sorely outnumbered and outflanked, basically just standing there and being fired at. The amount of damaged Stardestroyers in the system should also be able to show you that my forces put up quite a fight before surrendering... if you have average sensors that is... I don't know what you use for ship-building, but at the moment I am quite sceptical about you being able to save me, for obvious reasons... :rolleyes: ;)

Save you?

It is the Empire that is trying to save you from the slavery of self and democracy. Come little one, be enlightened.

*extends pale yellow fingered hand.*

For with us, you shall be a thousand times stronger...

Orthodox, I'm a little sceptical to you accusing my people of being collaborators and wanting to use large scale nukes on me. I realize that you might be saying that simply for RP reasons, but anybody with decent sensors would see the immense barrage of fire which my planet is throwing at the invaders. As for my fleet surrendering, they were sorely outnumbered and outflanked, basically just standing there and being fired at. The amount of damaged Stardestroyers in the system should also be able to show you that my forces put up quite a fight before surrendering... if you have average sensors that is... I don't know what you use for ship-building, but at the moment I am quite sceptical about you being able to save me, for obvious reasons... :rolleyes: ;)

ASfaltum, have you ever seen the show that i am basing this off of. It is called roleplaying. Watch The first 5 episodes of season 3 and you will see where i am coming from. Like I said it really is not personnal it is just roleplaying. Besides now that the cylons have been forced... er I mean rejoined humanity, they have had a little influence. :)

Besides in my in character post, I completely agree with y our out ofcharacter post. We can't save you, from your point of view, we have left you out to dry, as no ships have come yet to save you. So of course you will surrender and try to save your neck. Thus why my people will consider you a collaborator, and aiding the enemy. It is understandable, but my people's point of view should be as well.

Yeah but still... I'm like sending barrages of fire into the invaders... that's not exactly surrendering, if you know what I mean... ;)

Oh, and RL has been really busy, but I'm quite sure I can post a response tomorrow... see you then. (I could post today, but that would make it rather short, and not really worth reading...)

Yeah but still... I'm like sending barrages of fire into the invaders... that's not exactly surrendering, if you know what I mean... ;)

Oh, and RL has been really busy, but I'm quite sure I can post a response tomorrow... see you then. (I could post today, but that would make it rather short, and not really worth reading...)

Well it is a good thing the Coredians who are in command of my forces decided against my idea. Besides I would not have destroyed your planet, just a continent, to make sure the Sith Lords (all of them) could not get what ever they are looking for and to insure their demise (unless they ressurrect with the force again) My people are not morally upright like the alliance, nor are they evil, like the Empire, they are a nice heathy gray. We will debate worthiness of survival, long after we have survived. Hince the reason I can have diplomatic relations with both Coreworlds and Chronosia.

After all my ships are still going to participate with the Alliance fleet, and they will do as ordered, in the attempt to stop the empire, and aid you (and find my two battlestars).

But do not worry asfaltum, Coreworlds over rode Commander Hallen. Just be thankful that Chronosia is keeping Admiral Cain busy, I doubt she would have asked :)

Just remember that everything my Commander stated was in a closed meeting, and that you have no way of knowing that she wanted to blow up your continent, not that if it was found out that she would care or deny it.

And besides, It's doubtful that nukes would have any impact on Imperial energy shields. You would need a superlaser to crack the dome or get to them via the ground underneath it.

^_^

Very true, but my people do not know that :) It does not matter, unless the entire Coredian command staff dies, I will not do it. My fleet will follow it's orders, no matter if they agree with them or not.

Please do not think that just because FT weapons do not have a bright pretty color and go pew pew that they are not powerful. After all it was stated in the episode Rapture, that the seven nukes that the Galactica algae pointed at the planet would wipe out the continent. I would have used the basestar launchers to launch 100 at a time at the same continent. Besides the missles on Galactica could go underground, or at least target underground structures. And those missles are outdated. I doubt seven shots from a laser could do the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Y35mW_d2g

OOC:
Hi guys I'm back lol. Just a quick check i'm on the Imperial side...

IC:

The Imperial 1st Battle Armada emerged out of hyperspace. Centered around the Tyrant Class Super Star Destroyer in a huge wedge formation, the capital ships, medium ships, light ships and support craft of the armada began to take up defensive positions as a burst transmission was sent towards the Imperial Fleet's flagship, to Lord Sidious himself.

"Lord Sidious, your servant Matter is here to join the great Imperial crusade to vanquish all who oppose us. Your orders my lord?"

As the armada waited for the orders to come in from the warmaster or the emperor himself, they began charging up their weaponary and shields as millions of Imperial stormtroopers spread throughout the armada began to prepare for battle...