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Hypothetically speaking, I suppose you could have a missile launcher inside the 'weather' satellite, and have it split open before launch, but probably not more than one missile per launcher.

Whoa whoa whoa, Hataria, what's this latest thing? A single B-2 completely bypassing not only the fighters he specifically stated were being set up, but whatever SAMs are on the various ships?

Edit: B-2, sorry.

I imagine if Hataria can shoot down 1714 missiles, then the defending fleet can take down one little pissant of a bomber.

I know what everyone who hates me is trying to Do, Force me Off Nation States with Dogplieing and other things.

Well, I am not going to get off NS any Time.....EVER.

You can Dogpile Me, Ignore Me, Nuke Me are try genocide and Bullying, But I am not Leaveing Nation States.

You can just Live with me around for a Long Time.

Unless The Site Shuts down forever.

*yawn* Now your just being childish. Dogpiles happen when you gain alot of enemies, just like you've done. By the end of the 2nd World War, it was a dogpile on Germany, but Germany didn't just get to ignore. No sir.

You reap what you sow, Hataria. You need to start taking responsibility for your actions. I couldn't care less if you stay or leave, all I'm concerned about is that whatever happens you take it like a man, instead of simpering about and ignoring legitimate stuff

Secondly if you did follow Axis Nova's advice and ignored it, and subsequently ignored all other legitimate attacks...Who would you RP with? Without RPing the maintenance and defence of your holdings, they'd lose all meaning...And so hataria would effectively own....Nothing.

Hataria, will you grow up a little? Chellis declared war upon you. Big deal. People came to his aid. Big deal. Stop whining.

You would do the same damn thing if you had half the chance, so no more of this one-sided, poor-me bullshiat. Suck it up and play like a man, or whatever you are...

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Hataria, I have nothing against you OOC'ly, but when you whine like this, I feel as though you need a good, stiff pimp slap to wake you up. Consider this a favor...

I AM NOT TAKEING IT ANYMORE!

I said No Dogpiles and I do say No Dogpiles. I am sick of this and your Bullying. Their are Laws against Online Bullying and I can Press Charges against The Whole Site for it.

Welcome to the 21st Century, Hope you have Good Lawers.

I AM NOT TAKEING IT ANYMORE!

I said No Dogpiles and I do say No Dogpiles. I am sick of this and your Bullying. Their are Laws against Online Bullying and I can Press Charges against The Whole Site for it.

Welcome to the 21st Century, Hope you have Good Lawers.

ROFL!!!!

I AM NOT TAKEING IT ANYMORE!

I said No Dogpiles and I do say No Dogpiles. I am sick of this and your Bullying. Their are Laws against Online Bullying and I can Press Charges against The Whole Site for it.

Welcome to the 21st Century, Hope you have Good Lawers.
Here we go


Again....

Yes, because RPing reasonably is a form of online bullying. All your doing is ostracizing yourself by not playing the game. The game is all about building a story, which involves wins and losses. Your not going to hold onto all your lovely territory forever. It's only a matter of time before some lucky nation, or a coalition of the willing, cut through your bloated holdings and rend you down.

Even the greatest of nations have fallen, and been the better for it afterwards.
You need to learn to get over yourself, be willing to compromise and lose and not see everything as always having to be on your terms.

I AM NOT TAKEING IT ANYMORE!

I said No Dogpiles and I do say No Dogpiles. I am sick of this and your Bullying. Their are Laws against Online Bullying and I can Press Charges against The Whole Site for it.

Welcome to the 21st Century, Hope you have Good Lawers.

I have what will hopefully be a helpful recommendation.

If your experience on this site has not been positive, then perhaps you should stop using it. You certainly shouldn't cause yourself further frustration and unhappiness by continuing to participate here if you feel bullied by it.

Also, if you are serious about having your lawyer press charges against the site, have him or her contact us.

Finally, I'll add that I think this Hataria v. Hataria Haters bit could have been easily avoided had either party acted in accordance with SalusaSecondus' "play nice" guideline.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

From where I stand, any ignore for such absurd reasons will see Hataria ignored permanently by me. It sucks that we all can't win every time, but crying foul and throwing a fit only wastes everyone's time. Next time you decide to pursue colonial ambitions or stick your nose in someone else's business, remember this RP and the consequences of playing rough. So, your InCharacter bed is made. Either lay in it or let's get the ignores passed around so we can put this fiasco behind.

Also, I would love to see sources for laws against 'online bullying'. As I mock idiots and posers at every available opportunity without fear of reprisal, I may be in trouble...

i looked and i did'nt find anything on the web about online bullying except for students at schools using the web to bully one another. it said nothing about people around thw world bullying,nor do i think this really counts as bullying. also woul'nt laws differ between countries.

I have what will hopefully be a helpful recommendation.

If your experience on this site has not been positive, then perhaps you should stop using it. You certainly shouldn't cause yourself further frustration and unhappiness by continuing to participate here if you feel bullied by it.

Also, if you are serious about having your lawyer press charges against the site, have him or her contact us.

Finally, I'll add that I think this Hataria v. Hataria Haters bit could have been easily avoided had either party acted in accordance with SalusaSecondus' "play nice" guideline.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

You know for a Mod you aren't Helpful

The Reason they are Bullying Me is to try and force me off NationStates, Just Because I Invaded Morocco (RL) doesn't Meen They can Dogpile Me. and try to force me off.

I am Going to Press Charges against The ones doing The Bullying, I Think They should Look at this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

You have no grounds. I've watched it, and its mild flaming at worst, and at best a kick to you to stop being so self-centered. Grow thicker skin, learn to compromise, learn that eventually your actions have consequences (In this case widespread IC hatred for your actions, and the consequence of nations wanting to liberate nations oppressed by you, or helping others fight back).

And do not question the Mods, for they are good. Mostly. :P

Chron- A Concerned Citizen

Two points I thought I should bring up.

This forum is owned by a company in the United Kingdom. I believe that Hataria lives somewhere in the US. Some laws may not apply.

Cyber-Bullying usually takes place in unsupervised areas, like Instant Messanging. This is a message board that is monitored by several people, who aren't afraid to lock threads, ban users, or warn them if their behavior is walking the line.

Their job is to make sure that we're all safe and that we follow the rules.

Since there has been little mod interference in the thread that Hataria is complaining about, can we really say that bullying has taken place? Are the mods being lax, or do they believe in the other's calls that Hataria's role playing actions should follow a more logical path?

Hey, Hataria:
Just remember that when you go and attack a nation for doing nothing more than expressing verbal support for the CA, and hence dragging him into the giant Blackhelm melee last year, you're not going to be remembered very well by the first nation.
And honestly, this is cyber-bullying? We're just telling to stop whining. You go and aggresively wage war all the time, and then when we gang up on you, you go "OH NOES UNFAIR|!!!!|11!!"
So quit whining.
I'm also going to believe that you will not allow me to provide military bases for Chellis if he accepts, correct?


*yawn* Now your just being childish. Dogpiles happen when you gain alot of enemies, just like you've done. By the end of the 2nd World War, it was a dogpile on Germany, but Germany didn't just get to ignore. No sir
It wasn't for want of trying though:p

You know for a Mod you aren't Helpful

The Reason they are Bullying Me is to try and force me off NationStates, Just Because I Invaded Morocco (RL) doesn't Meen They can Dogpile Me. and try to force me off.

I am Going to Press Charges against The ones doing The Bullying, I Think They should Look at this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying


Clint, you do realize any lawyer you approach about representing you in such a case would laugh in your face under the current circumstances right?

Hataria, I fear you are going off the deep end.

This is a game first and foremost, and should not be taken as seriously as you are taking it. More importantly this is a freeform roleplaying game, and therefore any claims of 'cyber bullying' are completely unfounded. You are being attacked for In Character reasons, IE: your campaigns in Morocco, your efforts to exhert total influence over southeastern Asia, and your invasions that are happing left, right and center. IC wise, YOU are the bully here, and IC wise you are getting your just desserts.For someone who's been on this site as long as you have, I would have thought you would have known this.

If you cannot take the heat, then PLEASE, don't be so damn ambitious. You cannot honestly tell me that you can step on as many toes as you have and expect nothing to happen. Nobody is trying to run you off this site, all we as players is what our national leaders would do if they existed: beat the tar out of an imperialistic, warmongering nation that attacks our interests.

If you can't make the distinction that in this game you are being attacked for legitimate IC reasons, then please, for your own sake, stop playing. The childish ranting and threats of legal action are not doing you any favors.

Gah, I leave for a few days to deal with some stuff and everything goes all pear shaped...

OK, everyone needs to calm down here, so we can try to work all this crap out. Is my assessment that the RP is currently a giant mess that isn't going anywhere useful pretty much spot-on?

edit: Only with regards to the Chellis thing, apparently, which I am rescinding my ignore on due to a misunderstanding on my part.

I will refrain from pointing out the...questionable actions of your ally beyond noting "200 tons of TNT and Napalm."

For everybody to know, here is a small list of Xharn’s allies. So, if these people join in, you will know why they did.

Generic empire
Borman Empire
The Warmaster

And you can find all of this at this link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498185

And an attack on his mainland, you can’t ignore me as Wolfe Island is right under his land. You reading me, Hat?

You know for a Mod you aren't Helpful

The Reason they are Bullying Me is to try and force me off NationStates, Just Because I Invaded Morocco (RL) doesn't Meen They can Dogpile Me. and try to force me off.

I am Going to Press Charges against The ones doing The Bullying, I Think They should Look at this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

Last I checked, all the bullying has taken place against the fictional nation of Hataria. Nobody has any idea who you are (at least not from anything I've ever seen on this site). Nobody is bullying "James" or "Sally" or "Paul" or whatever your name might be. You're playing a political simulation game, and guess what - politics is dirty business. Not everyone wins all the time.

Now for a few facts. You're playing on a private web site. It's hosted in the UK, owned by an Australian, and administered by Americans, Brits, and New Zealanders. The other nations that you count as your harassers could live anywhere in the world. We don't know who they are either. Consequently, any lawsuit you attempt to bring will necessarily be transnational and probably quite expensive. Since the crux of your argument seems to be "Mom, make them stop poking me!", I'd say that any competent lawyer would laugh you out of his office ... after taking a healthy fee, of course. You should also take a moment to re-read the site's terms & conditions (http://www.nationstates.net/pages/legal.html), as you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

Final fact: playing NationStates is a privilege, not a right. If you become more of an annoyance than a benefit to this site, in the opinion of the site owner or his representatives (the mods and admins), we have every right to simply delete your nations and ban you from the site. Right now you're headed in that direction at great speed. Think about that before you take your next steps.

Well said!

You didn’t have to say that, Franberry. That wasn’t needed.

You didn’t have to say that, Franberry. That wasn’t needed.

You know, he is free to voice his opinion (Or rather, support of the aforementioned post by Fris.)

It really was though.

You didn’t have to say that, Franberry. That wasn’t needed.

I belive I can say what I want.

Yes, I know that is his opinion, but I see it as brown nosing. Right after a mod posts, he comes in to state what everybody already knew. It wasn’t needed.

I have feeling that there are people who want Hat gone from NS. I'm not one of them, I just want him to do things for himself and not listening to AN like AN is his boss.

I have feeling that there are people who want Hat gone from NS. I'm not one of them, I just want him to do things for himself and not listening to AN like AN is his boss.

Just noting that is seems as if Hataria's "boss" is intentionally OOC encouraging him to drive himself into the mud.

I strongly suggest Hataria to act under his own best judgement, rather than being AN's personal "Yesman".

Just consider your actions thouroughly while remembering the situation your nation is in as well, then decide what would reach the best possable outcome.

That way, you have no reason to doubt yourself, if the situation gets worse, change your way of thinking and try again, repeat until you get better.

An IC defeat would be a considerable OOC victory in your favor for one.
Just find someone more disliked than yourself, who has somehow ICly offended your nation, and get into a fight, and lose with great grace and poise. All your OOC critics will be watching as they eat bags full of popcorn as they realize that you actually can RP sensably without being used as a 'virtual puppet wank' by your allies.

Right now you are regarded as little more than AN's malfunctioning puppet. This perspective also has been demonstrated ICly as the great dislike for the AN/Hataria scurge of 'imperialisic' actions.

You have room for improvement, either to become a better puppet or more independant of AN's suggestions/support, your call.

I may have it all backwards though, as I never looked too closely at these conflicts, as doing so hurts the eyes. (And I don't want to get too involved in something everyone will most likely IGNORE if things continued the way they were)

Hataria is not my minion or puppet or whatever. I can give him advice, but there is nothing forcing him to follow it.

My God, Hataria! Get with the program! You are complaining about a perfectly acceptable roleplaying tactic. He declared "war" upon your fictional nation. Grow up, stop crying, and deal with the consequences. If you tout your nation to be "superior", then prove it. And if you are going to sue me, make it quick. Good luck finding any personal information. I am hereby ignoring Hataria in any future RP actions, unless he/she can act like a responsible roleplayer.

Axis, maybe you should talk to Hataria and set him straight. You are a vastly superior roleplayer than I, and I think that you will be able to rectify this little situation.

Spare me the overly insulting and preachy posts as they are pretty much one of the better ways to piss me off. I don't like people being condescending towards me.

As it happens, I already talked to Hataria HOURS ago, Asgarnieu.

Also, no, I'm not a particularly good RPer. You may note that I have never done any sort of character RPs and in fact almost completely lack any characters at all that are related to my nation. Technical stuff and battle writing I can handle more or less ok, though.

-_- fleets sent to defend Blub, please feel free to intercept, unless everyone's thrown down their hands and pushed back.

*quietly keeps his cards hidden.* Wanna see?

*gives NE a peek at his hand*

Spare me the overly insulting and preachy posts as they are pretty much one of the better ways to piss me off. I don't like people being condescending towards me.

As it happens, I already talked to Hataria HOURS ago, Asgarnieu.

Also, no, I'm not a particularly good RPer. You may note that I have never done any sort of character RPs and in fact almost completely lack any characters at all that are related to my nation. Technical stuff and battle writing I can handle more or less ok, though.

A combat excercise then?
That way, Hataria could blame his loss to the non-use of godrods and his other war winning weapons, while the loss means almost nothing ICly, it would mean a considerable amount OOCly. If he loses that is...

Or simply bragging rights?
That you fought Hataria on a 'fair' fight.
As these unrestricted wars tends to boil down to who has the biggest imagination or least touch in reality, depending on how often they use the same response for any given attack.

Combat excercises tend to degenerate into technicalities* and small unit tactics (which allows for you to develop new generals so you can let the old ones die). Thus encouraging the consideration of how war is viewed from one man's perspective, making it a quasi Character RP, since large masses of troops are still manipulated, followed by a 'cut-scene' of what your 'man on the street' sees, and any proportion is workable, it could even become almost entirely xharacter with almost no real large unit considerations given, or the opposite, with massive Soviet style mobs rushing each other.

*RPed IC arguements/negotiations over what is/isn't allowed in the excercise. Rather than OOC arguements over who did what and why.

Although my military isn't allowed to help train Hatarians, the mercs, Hurtful Outcomes Inc., most likely are very much allowed to do so. As I recall all this was started as a demonstration that the Hatarians wished to be treated as a modern military, and not some mob armed with shiny new toys.

Not too uch to ask for once you think about it, provided one asks nicely and waves a few IC dollars...

Kinetic Torpedoes?

A combat excercise then?
That way, Hataria could blame his loss to the non-use of godrods and his other war winning weapons, while the loss means almost nothing ICly, it would mean a considerable amount OOCly. If he loses that is...

Or simply bragging rights?
That you fought Hataria on a 'fair' fight.
As these unrestricted wars tends to boil down to who has the biggest imagination or least touch in reality, depending on how often they use the same response for any given attack.

Combat excercises tend to degenerate into technicalities* and small unit tactics (which allows for you to develop new generals so you can let the old ones die). Thus encouraging the consideration of how war is viewed from one man's perspective, making it a quasi Character RP, since large masses of troops are still manipulated, followed by a 'cut-scene' of what your 'man on the street' sees, and any proportion is workable, it could even become almost entirely xharacter with almost no real large unit considerations given, or the opposite, with massive Soviet style mobs rushing each other.

*RPed IC arguements/negotiations over what is/isn't allowed in the excercise. Rather than OOC arguements over who did what and why.

Although my military isn't allowed to help train Hatarians, the mercs, Hurtful Outcomes Inc., most likely are very much allowed to do so. As I recall all this was started as a demonstration that the Hatarians wished to be treated as a modern military, and not some mob armed with shiny new toys.

Not too uch to ask for once you think about it, provided one asks nicely and waves a few IC dollars...


Well, I have a War Winning Weapon that will be Tested soon.....on Chellis. Operation: KT is its Name and I am Not Telling what it is, You have to Guess what It is.

Ah yes, the ever brilliant "drop a mile long asteroid on him and get nuked into oblivion by EVERYONE that doesn't flatout ignore you.

Ah yes, the ever brilliant "drop a mile long asteroid on him and get nuked into oblivion by EVERYONE that doesn't flatout ignore you.

Chellis Threatens to do Genocide against me, so It is just Cause that I will Use My Operation KT on Him

-_- you do realize the cost of constructing a man-made asteroid and slamming it into the earth, yes?

1: Cost/time of getting the material up there. Yukatan was piss weak compared to some rocks that have hit us in the past. And that sucker was 11km or so in diameter. Internal volume was about 126.7 cubic kilometers assuming a sphere. Let's assume you make it out of Aerogel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel with a density of 150 mg/cm³. That yields a mass somewhere around 19,005,000,000,000 kilograms if my math is right. Then let's assume that we're using the Shuttle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_program and that we have a cost of 2000$/kg (that's found from taking the 60 million$ marginal launch cost listed there and dividing by a normal payload of 30K kilos) -_- that gives us a grand total launch cost of 38.010 quadrillion USD to get that much mass up there over the course of the applicable launch window.

And we've totally ignored material procurement costs. Now, I'll admit that you'll have a smaller 'roid than the Yukatan crater, and you'll have lower costs per kilo. HOWEVER, you won't be able to cut the price even in half.

2: Cost of the fuel on board this thing to get it up to the necessary velocities (AKA to propel it towards earth in a reasonable time frame) 19 trillion kilograms. It won't move very easily.

3: Cost of making the entire planet uninhabitable to most plant life, thereby killing most animal life and by extension humans. (kinda hard to live when you have no food, eh?)

Feel free to do this. However, it costs an INSANE amount and takes forever to do.

-_- you do realize the cost of constructing a man-made asteroid and slamming it into the earth, yes?

1: Cost/time of getting the material up there. Yukatan was piss weak compared to some rocks that have hit us in the past. And that sucker was 11km or so in diameter. Internal volume was about 126.7 cubic kilometers assuming a sphere. Let's assume you make it out of Aerogel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel with a density of 150 mg/cm³. That yields a mass somewhere around 19,005,000,000,000 kilograms if my math is right. Then let's assume that we're using the Shuttle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_program and that we have a cost of 2000$/kg (that's found from taking the 60 million$ marginal launch cost listed there and dividing by a normal payload of 30K kilos) -_- that gives us a grand total launch cost of 38.010 quadrillion USD to get that much mass up there over the course of the applicable launch window.

And we've totally ignored material procurement costs. Now, I'll admit that you'll have a smaller 'roid than the Yukatan crater, and you'll have lower costs per kilo. HOWEVER, you won't be able to cut the price even in half.

2: Cost of the fuel on board this thing to get it up to the necessary velocities (AKA to propel it towards earth in a reasonable time frame) 19 trillion kilograms. It won't move very easily.

3: Cost of making the entire planet uninhabitable to most plant life, thereby killing most animal life and by extension humans. (kinda hard to live when you have no food, eh?)

The Material was esay to Get, Iron and Titanium from The Scraped SDs of My Naval Fleet (Now you know why I have only one Grand battleship Left.)

and It is Not a Global Killer of a Civilization Destroyer that I built (I am not Stupid like some Megaomaniacts.) Just Large enough to cause a Tsunami and Small enough not to Wipe us Out.

-_- you do realize the cost of constructing a man-made asteroid and slamming it into the earth, yes?

1: Cost/time of getting the material up there. Yukatan was piss weak compared to some rocks that have hit us in the past. And that sucker was 11km or so in diameter. Internal volume was about 126.7 cubic kilometers assuming a sphere. Let's assume you make it out of Aerogel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel with a density of 150 mg/cm³. That yields a mass somewhere around 19,005,000,000,000 kilograms if my math is right. Then let's assume that we're using the Shuttle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_program and that we have a cost of 2000$/kg (that's found from taking the 60 million$ marginal launch cost listed there and dividing by a normal payload of 30K kilos) -_- that gives us a grand total launch cost of 38.010 quadrillion USD to get that much mass up there over the course of the applicable launch window.

And we've totally ignored material procurement costs. Now, I'll admit that you'll have a smaller 'roid than the Yukatan crater, and you'll have lower costs per kilo. HOWEVER, you won't be able to cut the price even in half.

2: Cost of the fuel on board this thing to get it up to the necessary velocities (AKA to propel it towards earth in a reasonable time frame) 19 trillion kilograms. It won't move very easily.

3: Cost of making the entire planet uninhabitable to most plant life, thereby killing most animal life and by extension humans. (kinda hard to live when you have no food, eh?)

Feel free to do this. However, it costs an INSANE amount and takes forever to do.

And it will get you nuked back into oblivion when you do it, as I'm still a total asshole, with a love for Enhanced Radiation Weapons.

Also, the RP when you built it, please? :)

Hataria, you will become the lead exporter in radioactive plate glass if you tried that little 'KT' idea.

Hataria, I'm curious as to why you keep introducing these absurd weapons that you are making up on the fly. I think you're doing it just to do it.

Ugh. Chellis, that TG I sent you? Yeah, if you're not going to flat-out ignore this new 'uber-weapon O' Doom', then my services are still on offer to get rid of it...

Better to face a man, face to face, man to man, armor to armor, than to rely on such contrivances. Gird yourself with steel and rejoice with trembling at the thrill of armed combat.

Or slink into the shadows of cowardice and half-baked schemes. You need but be prepared to serve in combat, or upon the firing line, before a squad of your betters.

Choose.

:D

Clandonia and Skinny, please go away, you're not involved in the current conflict.

Hataria, I already told you that making your own asteroid is not workable and that it would be easier to find one in space that's suitable, and even then it would take years to move into position.

I suggest everyone calm down a bit here. Hataria especially-- you have more than enough firepower to smear Chellis's invasion force all over the landscape considering you have the home court advantage. There's no point to escalate to strategic level exchanges, especially since Chellis has no nukes in the first place, having chosen to wisely instead invest in SDI systems like myself.

Concentrate on repelling Chellis's invasion, not on trying to invade HIM. I already told you this, you can handle the current opponents because they a) are not putting forth all of their military force at once and b) are causing trouble in multiple different theatres rather than just all coming at you in one massive blob.

And Chronosia, I prefer maneuver warfare over WWI style slug-fests.

Still involves getting out there and being a man. Theres no true honor in killing from a thousand miles away with a "meteor" or godrods, theres somewhat more from supporting the front line with artillery batteries. But the truest honor of all lies with those who go to the front, into the field of battle and offer up their lives in mortal combat. Men against men.

I never said it had to be a slugfest. I just think Hataria oughta stop using his more overactive imaginings, and fight like a man. With brute force and wit.

If his troops are indeed possessed of such things.

Another point is that multiple front agitations could easily divide Hatarian forces before the inevitable (assuming he ever recognises multiple opponents) counterpunch. All war is strategy, all war is deception. ;)

I myself tend to quite freely use godrods when I can't get more suitable forces into position. They do the job, after all *shrug*

You'll note I have pretty much dumped that silly SSL, since I realized that it's annoying frustrating for people to deal with and will just ruin RPs.

Clandonia and Skinny, please go away, you're not involved in the current conflict.

So now we are having closed OOC threads well, that's something new!

So now we are having closed OOC threads well, that's something new!

More like, I know you and Hataria are incapable of playing nice OOC, so I would prefer to avoid starting unneccesary trouble.

More like, I know you and Hataria are incapable of playing nice OOC, so I would prefer to avoid starting unneccesary trouble.
Sound advice..But remember that this cuts two ways, AN..As you yourself put it there. CP is not alone at fault for that.

May I chip in?

How have you been, Axis Nova?

Are we still cool?

It's just been awhile since you and I have had a productive debate, ya know?

You'll note I have pretty much dumped that silly SSL, since I realized that it's annoying frustrating for people to deal with and will just ruin RPs.

That’s good! That was one of reason I didn’t like you ICly.

Oh, I have returned from my 'break', so feel free to speak directly.

My $0.02:

Now, I know I haven't interacted a lot with Hataria, or most of the other people in this thread. But seriously, this Hataria-bashing needs to stop, it's cluttering up the forums and making a lot of people look like pricks.

From what I've been able to piece together from this conflict, people are picking on Hataria for building an empire composed mainly of NPC nations. Now, there's nothing wrong with the occasional RP of an imperialist landgrab, open to others to try to stop it, but when 90% of your empire was consolidated without much of a fight, old-time RPers look down on that.

I'm really not the person to go to for advice on RP'ing an imperialist nation, I've been a democracy for as long as I can remember. Kraven, some of the Sovereign League / APOC nations, and the Saharistan War Coalition are likely to be able to help you imperialize better than I can. But I can tell you that one way to build an empire is to start a war with at least an internationally sound case for war such as human rights, deployment of WMD, or actual attack on civilian targets. Provided the nation is smaller and weaker, you can take it over and add it to your empire. (Of course, OOC discussion in that area is critical.)

For general RP, one of the best ways to learn how to write is simply to read other RP's by the nations with the most RP experience, such as AMF and the other Gholgoth nations. In general '03 nations tend to be among the better writers here. You might want to participate in a thread that revolves more heavily around one or two of your characters and maybe two or three other nations getting together interacting. Good cases for character RP's include diplomacy, espionage and the ever-popular marriage threads.

If you're ever interested in a clean, flame-free RP, just drop me a TG. I'm already in two wars, so I won't go looking for war with anyone else soon, but diplomacy is always fun.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=517471

I am Planning on a Tourament to end The Cimmerian Wars (as the Morocco Front and The Blub War are part of) If my Fighters win, You have to come to peace talks in Tangalee.

Ah, Kahanistan :) You definitely get my vote for "best 2005 nation". Started off well, weathered a combined AMF-Kraven invasion, and ever since you've been going strong. You also are quite creative tactically, something that is sorely lacking with many people around here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=517471

I am Planning on a Tourament to end The Cimmerian Wars (as the Morocco Front and The Blub War are part of) If my Fighters win, You have to come to peace talks in Tangalee.

Or we could ignore it, and simply drop several thousand pounds of explosives on the stadium. Since we'd have to be flipping dumbasses to accept such an invitation, knowing you'll wank like you do at all other times.

Hataria, you need to respond to my post. Please pay attention to the details, since my interception of your fighters is coordinated with my fleet movements, and I fired cruise missiles at your coastal defenses/garrisons in the southwest.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12290931&postcount=129

My $0.02:

Now, I know I haven't interacted a lot with Hataria, or most of the other people in this thread. But seriously, this Hataria-bashing needs to stop, it's cluttering up the forums and making a lot of people look like pricks.

From what I've been able to piece together from this conflict, people are picking on Hataria for building an empire composed mainly of NPC nations. Now, there's nothing wrong with the occasional RP of an imperialist landgrab, open to others to try to stop it, but when 90% of your empire was consolidated without much of a fight, old-time RPers look down on that.

I'm really not the person to go to for advice on RP'ing an imperialist nation, I've been a democracy for as long as I can remember. Kraven, some of the Sovereign League / APOC nations, and the Saharistan War Coalition are likely to be able to help you imperialize better than I can. But I can tell you that one way to build an empire is to start a war with at least an internationally sound case for war such as human rights, deployment of WMD, or actual attack on civilian targets. Provided the nation is smaller and weaker, you can take it over and add it to your empire. (Of course, OOC discussion in that area is critical.)

For general RP, one of the best ways to learn how to write is simply to read other RP's by the nations with the most RP experience, such as AMF and the other Gholgoth nations. In general '03 nations tend to be among the better writers here. You might want to participate in a thread that revolves more heavily around one or two of your characters and maybe two or three other nations getting together interacting. Good cases for character RP's include diplomacy, espionage and the ever-popular marriage threads.

If you're ever interested in a clean, flame-free RP, just drop me a TG. I'm already in two wars, so I won't go looking for war with anyone else soon, but diplomacy is always fun.
How noble of you Kahanistan.

Thing is, people tend to be displeased at Hataria because he has, no offense intended, a tendency to get upset when things don't go his way of things. And that, I do notice that he has responded selectively at times. Notice Automagfreek's post prior to mine.

I know that two wrongs don't make a right in virtually all situations, but in this case...I don't think that this is one of those situations. Hataria, as mentioned in one other thread, had the right to use the Idiot Godmoder Noncontinuity Omni Repellant Eradicator (I.G.NO.R.E) Cannon. Hataria didn't have to respond to the invasion forces of Chellis, regardless of the level of his justification of the usage of the I.G.N.O.R.E cannon. And he chose to, and when things didn't go his way and when other players criticized questionable descriptions of his technology in his writing, he essentially got upset and gradually flipped out, even at one point sometime ago threatening to sue the boards - personally, if I had a problem with the NS boards so much to the point I just couldn't take it, I would simply leave. And yet Hataria chooses to return, and keep at his ways - it just, no offense intended, doesn't make any sense. I wish for an explanation, please.

How noble of you Kahanistan.

Thing is, people tend to be displeased at Hataria because he has, no offense intended, a tendency to get upset when things don't go his way of things. And that, I do notice that he has responded selectively at times. Notice Automagfreek's post prior to mine.

I know that two wrongs don't make a right in virtually all situations, but in this case...I don't think that this is one of those situations. Hataria, as mentioned in one other thread, had the right to use the Idiot Godmoder Noncontinuity Omni Repellant Eradicator (I.G.NO.R.E) Cannon. Hataria didn't have to respond to the invasion forces of Chellis, regardless of the level of his justification of the usage of the I.G.N.O.R.E cannon. And he chose to, and when things didn't go his way and when other players criticized questionable descriptions of his technology in his writing, he essentially got upset and gradually flipped out, even at one point sometime ago threatening to sue the boards - personally, if I had a problem with the NS boards so much to the point I just couldn't take it, I would simply leave. And yet Hataria chooses to return, and keep at his ways - it just, no offense intended, doesn't make any sense. I wish for an explanation, please.

I think you hit the nail on the head there, SEA. However, once he let Chellis's invasion start, he shouldn't suddenly back out.

Hataria, you need to respond to my post. Please pay attention to the details, since my interception of your fighters is coordinated with my fleet movements, and I fired cruise missiles at your coastal defenses/garrisons in the southwest.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12290931&postcount=129

I will soon

Or we could ignore it, and simply drop several thousand pounds of explosives on the stadium. Since we'd have to be flipping dumbasses to accept such an invitation, knowing you'll wank like you do at all other times.

If you cannot be civil, restrain yourself from posting, please.

If you cannot be civil, restrain yourself from posting, please.

If your ally cannot act in a logical manner, have him restrain himself from posting please.

And it's only rude if it isn't true. In this case I am stating fact, as opposed to casting aspersions.

If your ally cannot act in a logical manner, have him restrain himself from posting please.



I can Have The Mods on you since I will take that as Flameing

He's questioning your actions again. Bringing it to the mods will probably, though what do I know, lead them to implore you once more to grow thicker skin, and be a little more...Whats the word...responsive? Normally responsive. Like dealing with criticisms instead of running around for Mod-intervention or an ignore.

Just an idea mind.

I can Have The Mods on you since I will take that as Flameing

Your hardly in the moderators book of favourites after this weeks events.

I can Have The Mods on you since I will take that as Flameing

Who do you think you are, Hataria? He's not flaming! Everybody here needs to take a breather and calm down a bit. I think that we are all just a little too high-strung...

And don't go giving bad advice. That poor guy wanted in on the thread, you go mental and 'ignore' him (for all your ignores are worth) and then advise him to take on AMF!

Shameless!

And don't go giving bad advice. That poor guy wanted in on the thread, you go mental and 'ignore' him (for all your ignores are worth) and then advise him to take on AMF!

Shameless!

The Chellis Thread is Between Me and Chellis (we agreed with that) so you can just Shut your Mouth.

and Besides, you have no room to say what I can't do.

I can criticise your advice, and I can (and have) warned the poor fellow involved. I won't have him being drawn up OOCly as a pawn in your games. I'd also ask if you could be more civil than demanding that I 'shut my mouth'.

Just as you I am gifted with the right of self expression, and the expression of beliefs and ideals in the face of opposition.

Satellites can't jam naval vessels, too much atmosphere in the way. In any event, you can't jam specific components of enemy ships.

It is possible to jam radar, but there are alternate means of targeting, which not much can be done about.

Argh. Can't we ever get along?

Axis Nova is right about the jamming.

Also, with as often as you're using your missile satellites Hataria, I would expect them to be out of ammo by now. And how may I ask do you plan on reloading these satellites once they are empty? Do you have some sort of space station that sends out shuttles to resupply your launchers, or do you send up shuttles from the ground into space?

Hmm. The Jamming of specific components?

What kind of components?

Axis Nova is right about the jamming.

Also, with as often as you're using your missile satellites Hataria, I would expect them to be out of ammo by now. And how may I ask do you plan on reloading these satellites once they are empty? Do you have some sort of space station that sends out shuttles to resupply your launchers, or do you send up shuttles from the ground into space?

They fall back to earth and destroyed, New ones are launched whne The weather is good.

Oh and Dreadfire is Invited as a Guest to The Imperial Kumite. He can watch The Grand Generals and Grand Admirals that I have yet to show along with Princess Galaxia, Grand Shogun Nadia, Grand Admiral Ryu and Grand General Askua. They and The Commanders that I haven't shown are Members of a Group known as The Diadochi, The High Commanders of The Hatarian Military.

That must cost an aweful lot of money to maintain those satellites. Always having to replace them...

It is worth noting that even Hataria has a population almost larger than that of the entire Earth's. Even allowing for mismanagement, corruption, budget overruns caused by the production of useless miltiary equipment, money sinks caused by overinvestment in anime-related industries and products, and maintaining a rather overly large military, there's tax money to spare.

Even so, overuse of orbital weapons is boring, and we want to create something entertaining to read here.

Hmm...
Weapons on the Moon???

In general a waste of time, except for launching long-range strategic attacks on stationary targets on Earth per The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

The only real strategic assets I personally maintain on the moon are the bases with the microwave transmitters for the Satellite System, and a few mining operations for rare-earth materials and radioactives.

Or just use resources such as oxygen found on it...*shrugs*

I was thinking of hollowing it out and using it as a massive laser cannon...ineffective I know...

Hollowing out the Moon is rather beyond the capabilities of anyone who isn't FT.

Not only that, but wouldn't it change the density..thus causing massive rifts in something that could destroy the world?

It is worth noting that even Hataria has a population almost larger than that of the entire Earth's. Even allowing for mismanagement, corruption, budget overruns caused by the production of useless miltiary equipment, money sinks caused by overinvestment in anime-related industries and products, and maintaining a rather overly large military, there's tax money to spare.

Even so, overuse of orbital weapons is boring, and we want to create something entertaining to read here.

You do know that bad weather, such as an electical storm, hurricanes, blizzards, and light storms can pretty much F#%^ up those space launches...

As even a humid day would tax your rockets an extra 3 to 4 tons of lift, or 40 tons of fuel... A blizzard pretty much grinds everthing outdoors to a halt, electrical storms can ruin sensitive equipment, and heavy winds can thrown your rocket askew and crashing to the earth before they leave the launch pad...

If ice formng on the wings of a strategic bomber was bad enough, imagine what that could do to rocket motor gimbals, gyroes, fuel gaskets, circutry, fuel pumps and explosive bolts...

The limiting factor isn't cost, but the oprotunities to safely launch satallites. Though I guess you could overpower your rockets and harden your satallites, then hermetically seal the whole thing until it reaches the vacume of space, otherwise that condensation/ice will really screw you up royally... And even then things can go wrong, such as the Apollo 1 disaster, which after review, many wondered how NASA didnn't have MORE fatalities...

In fact, condensation attributed to what caused the Apollo 13 near disaster...
(as well as dropping the oxygen tank onto the ground and running 65 volts on a 28 volt system)

Eck...almost makes you want to just discontinue the entire thing.

I will soon


You still need to respond to my post. I see you posting in other threads and indeed starting new ones, so what's the deal?

You still need to respond to my post. I see you posting in other threads and indeed starting new ones, so what's the deal?

Well, I had no chose with The Chellis Thread, I was forced into it. The Kumite is my idea on Endding The Wars. and I am going to reply.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12326291#post12326291

I am Mixing The Threads Togeter (Save for The Kumite Thread)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12326291#post12326291

I am Mixing The Threads Togeter (Save for The Kumite Thread)

I guess I'm still in that thread, since I've 15 Hurtians dancing around as bushes in Morocco.

I might just call for Peace Talks soon.

I might just call for Peace Talks soon.

Frankly, and I do not intend this to be insulting OOC, I don't imagine people will be too eager to come to peace talks after the way that your Empress handled herself last time. What with the death threats, the breaking of furniture, and the apparent pre arrangement for a dead child to be delivered.

Now, I can't speak for the nations involved, but if I were still involved in this RP, probably I wouldn't come unless you were offering a major concession.

I might just call for Peace Talks soon.
Link it into Kumite?

Since I already have a diplomat (Agent Giem) who is qualified to negotiate peace terms.

As a side benifit, they can watch Skragg get killed and Schythis blow a few fuses...

Among the issues brought up will be that further use of Godrods as a show of force would be considered wonton/immature use of WMDs. In return, economic control of specific areas may be justified.

As a side benifit, they can watch Skragg get killed and Schythis blow a few fuses...

Ah, good then I have to try and control him. Then defend him.

Ah, good then I have to try and control him. Then defeat him.

You do know that the Kumite thread is a gladiator tournement thread where the participants fight generally to the death.

Skragg is a participant, among many, and chances are, only one will survive.

Yes, I know that but Skragg is a part of a Commonwealth state and I see that his death will lead to war. But as long as one of you kill one of the Hatarians, it will be a good role-play as each side will loss people.

Zzzz. I hope Hataria hurries up and posts soon. (contrary to popular belief, I do not have a remote control that makes him do what I want =p)

Also, a bit late, but, Mini Miehm, shooting at 'holes' in your radar doesn't work, because there are no 'holes'. The radar waves are simply being absorbed and you're not getting a return. o_O

More to the point, infrared missiles are rather close range weapons and my UAVs are still a considerable distance from them. They won't even be in long range air to air missile range for a while.

Well, I had no chose with The Chellis Thread, I was forced into it. The Kumite is my idea on Endding The Wars. and I am going to reply.



*taps foot*

so your making a thread to attack all your enemies, none of which you like and you gonna invite them into another finals thread?

I am saying this to everyone here.

I am Sick of People Spamming and Trolling My Threads or in the case with the Chellis, Being Forced into a Thread against my will and Threated with Blacklisting.

I am going to tell you all Now, I am not takeing any of this anymore so if you want me to not be mad at all of you any more, DON'T FORCE ME INTO RPs AGANST MY WILL OR TROLL OR SPAM MY THREADS AGAIN!

In the case of your thread in which you declare the Chellis government to be Nazis, I think my IC reaction was entirely justified, so there.

And as for your PMT Clone army...

Hataria, no one can force you into a thread against your will. At any point, if you don't want to RP with someone, you can ignore them. Technically speaking, you don't need any reason beside a wish to.

Now, it is entirely possible that if you do this, especially if you make a habit of it, there will be less people who are willing to RP with you. This is not me threatening you that you will be unable to RP if you do so, it's just fair warning.

Regarding spamming and trolling, I have noticed this to be a problem in threads you start. Just report specific incidents to the moderators, and let them handle it. That's why they're moderators.

I am saying this to everyone here.

I am Sick of People Spamming and Trolling My Threads or in the case with the Chellis, Being Forced into a Thread against my will and Threated with Blacklisting.

I am going to tell you all Now, I am not takeing any of this anymore so if you want me to not be mad at all of you any more, DON'T FORCE ME INTO RPs AGANST MY WILL OR TROLL OR SPAM MY THREADS AGAIN!

Let's put it straight, shall we?

Everything that has progressed hsa originally been brought about by your own reactions, ICly and then usually OOCly. Other RPers here have been fully patient with you and your nation, and have acted logically and have acted in fully acceptable manner, and have been somewhat responsible.

What you fail to see is the line between OOC and IC. It's a thick line. One's fiction, the other life. You bring IC into OOC, which should never be done. If you don't like a person ICly, leave it there.

OOCly, you've reacted in such a manner as to turn people off, and as for the threats of "blacklisting", have you perhaps thought them stemming from your own source, rather than others?

Take time to reflect on yourself before you make rash accusations, which have been the cause of much of your problems here.

I am saying this to everyone here.

I am Sick of People Spamming and Trolling My Threads or in the case with the Chellis, Being Forced into a Thread against my will and Threated with Blacklisting.

I am going to tell you all Now, I am not takeing any of this anymore so if you want me to not be mad at all of you any more, DON'T FORCE ME INTO RPs AGANST MY WILL OR TROLL OR SPAM MY THREADS AGAIN!

Boo-hoo. If you don't want to RP right, then don't RP at all...

The Hatarians soon decided to end this with one thing only.....

Elimtanate The Leaders of Chellis

The Only way to do that was to in fact Strike at Chellis it self and go though it;s Defenses, Blast the enemy Capital to bits find The enemy Leaders and Kill Them all. That way Chellis would be leaderless and It would cause Chaos in Chellis.

The Hatarians soon sent a Messenge to The world calling for The Arest of The Chellian Leaders for Atemeted Genocide and Planned War Crimes.

OOC: making a Thread for that :P


None-the-less, is that thread going to be semi-open or open? Will there be a sign-up or just enter at will?

(Sorry for posting this here.)

Asgarnieu,
I need to speak with you privately. Do you have MSN or Yahoo? If so, please telegram it to me or just click my profile and add me. Please, it is urgent that you speak with me.

I have MSN. Can you TG me your information in the GASN boards?

Actually, I added you, go ahead and log on...I'll talk to you there...

*Bows*
Thank you.

In the case of your thread in which you declare the Chellis government to be Nazis, I think my IC reaction was entirely justified, so there.

And as for your PMT Clone army...

Yes Hataria is PMT, so is Axis Nova...
And yes, they often act as if they are MT and invade weaker MT nations.

Their PMT is low end quality, therefore, another PMT nation could mop either of their nations... And FT could do so with appalling ease.

Hataria may want to split his MT and PMT timelines, as modified T-90 MBTs do not really go well with Minutemen IIIs...

Chellis is a closed thread, so you can keep your 'reactions' to yourself if they involve using military brovado.

Hurtful Thoughts, you are needed on the site.

Asgarnieu and I are trying to write the laws, rules, regulations, and everything else that should apply for a massive, and much needed update to the ADAN.

Chellis is a closed thread, so you can keep your 'reactions' to yourself if they involve using military brovado.

Now, now. Not everything posted on International Incidents has to be a threat of war, a declaration of war or war itself. The comment I was referring to was one I made in that now-deleted thread in which Hataria called for the arrest of the Chellis leadership, not the thread entitled "Mobilisation of Chellian forces against Hataria."

Actually, I consider my PMT to be rather high quality.

And, Hurtful Thoughts, I fail to see what relevance FT has to anyone who isn't in an FT RP.

Finally, you ADAN people can go talk about your alliance somewhere else. This thread is not named "ADAN OOC Megathread".

Hataria, it's obvious that you are simply not replying to my post in hopes that I will get sick of waiting and disappear. You've had ample time to post your reply, and you've been quite active in other threads and indeed in making new ones.

If I don't see a reply soon, perhaps I should assume that there just isn't any resistance, and that your fighters returned home.

Actually, I consider my PMT to be rather high quality.

And, Hurtful Thoughts, I fail to see what relevance FT has to anyone who isn't in an FT RP.

Finally, you ADAN people can go talk about your alliance somewhere else. This thread is not named "ADAN OOC Megathread".

I'm not even PMT, yet I see relevance of knowing what nations are PMT/FT, and when I'm up against one. I consider yours 'low grade' because I haven't seen railguns and moon colonies yet, no other reason. As your Minutemen are clearly well developed.

Just a comparision of a PMT nation invading an MT nation to an FT nation invading a PMT one... As an MT nation, even I've managed to get the attention of an FT nation or two. (Planet [comprising of multiple nations] almost got glassed)

Yes, I do not require ADAN notices, as I check the offsite regularilly, and there are TGs available if all other forms of communication fail.

Hataria, I thought Questers already told you in this thread that Mach 5 for a fighter is not possible. In real life, the fastest fighter can go Mach 2.83, and the fastest jet aircraft Mach 3.3. Rocket powered aircraft are what you need to get up into the Mach 5 or 6 range, and even then you'd likely run dangerously low on fuel going from Spain to southwestern Morocco at those speeds.

If you have your mind made up on having jet fighters that can go Mach 5, then I expect them to have a relatively small weapons payload, as more room on the aircraft will be dedicated to the engines and fuel, as well as additional fuel tanks under the wings (not sure how having these dangling from your wings will effect aerodynamics....). I also don't think you'd be able to spend that much time in a dogfight, since the Mach 5 trip out to my fleet will suck fuel, and the stresses of dogfighting will see you sucking even more fuel, and you'd still have to have enough left to get you at least above land.

Not to mention you'd have to fly past Pantera's fleet first......

I can see a Mach 5 interceptor, perhaps-- had something a bit like that for a while. But for a fighter, no way.

You'd want to use rocket engines, or else something exotic like a ramjet or a pulse detonation engine.

I can see a Mach 5 interceptor, perhaps-- had something a bit like that for a while. But for a fighter, no way.

You'd want to use rocket engines, or else something exotic like a ramjet or a pulse detonation engine.



The problem is he's never stated that he has any of that stuff. If he were to all of a sudden have ramjet aided jet fighters, I would say that is godmodding, since he would then only be doing it to give himself an advantage.

By the way Hataria, I am not trying to give you a hard time, I'm merely giving you contructive criticism in hopes that it will help you..

I want to apologize for my misuse of this thread, I just knew that those two were active on here.

Anyways, are you going to update your threads at all, Hataria?

I am going to use and Introduce a Powerful Version of The Active Denial System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System), that Heat-Ray The US Army made to disperse Rioters. The Hatarian heat ray will be more powerful, Burning People and Causeing Ammo and Fuel inside Tanks, Trucks and other Veichles to blow up.

in short, a deadly Weapon put on the TR-2 Tripod Walkers of The Hatarian Armored Divisions

Now, there's not really any problem that I'm aware of if you want to do that, Hataria, except in how practical it is. First, I'm not sure that the technology works that way. Second, consider this, since this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;?xml=/news/2007/01/25/wuranium125.xml) (that is, the ADS pictured there) is capable of only causing a painful burning sensation, something as powerful as you're describing would seem to be large, unweildy, and an easy target, to say nothing of the necessary power.

Er, Hurtful Thoughts, you do recall that I've mined most of the roads in southern Morocco and the northern Sahara, right? O_o;

Er, Hurtful Thoughts, you do recall that I've mined most of the roads in southern Morocco and the northern Sahara, right? O_o;

And that stops aircraft, how?

Almost all the land traveling is in Northern and central Morocco.

Plus, I thought that mostly reffered to your borders, as mining intirior roads would prove prohibitive to your logistics.

All I found was a post stating you had some surveyers in Post 94, deployed on Post 68...
The engineering corps deployed to Morocco by Axis Nova continues it's work, CMGVs zipping around the southern part of Morocco (and the northwestern part of the Sahara), measuring things, planting beacons, and taking readings.

Interestingly enough, in a location about 400 kilometers from the Atlantic, it seems some excavations are beginning in the desert...

Upon closer inspection:
You made NO mention of land mines within the entire thread.

Edit:
*reads post 136*
Major roads only...
That hurts you and helps me...
Nice going...
It also screws up Moroccan infrastructer, so now not only are they extremely pissed at your PR disaster, they now need outside support by air for the basics or risk the mines...
So the locals will de-mine the place themselves if given time...
Go hapless farmers and oxen FTW!!

How are your Minutemen going to 'trundle' past your own minefield?
You made your own enemies to play with... Now how can you tell the difference between a trap and an ambush?

Nuking would've been quicker and cheaper...
(And I'm against using nukes against weaker nations, as noted on an old NS draft thread)

Endnote:
Thanks for pointing this out, therwise I'd have missed the oprotunity...
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Not very well read on occupation of foriegn soil and/or Counter insugency, are you?

Basic primer:
Carl V. Clausewitz On war/Von Kriege
Book one, chaper one, if nothing else...
Though all of book one should be read and understood before skipipng to the 'juicy' parts.

I'll assume you already know of what Book Three contains, as it is what makes RPs and war stories entertaining...

Book 6 chapter 26 is the 'tunnel vision' description of insurgencies, omiting the basics, as Carl assumes you either read the rest or already know what it says. Otherwise, it is just words that are as easily understood as misinterpreted.

You'll find a link to an free online verion in NS draft if you can't find the book.

My units can get by the mines because they can deactivate the mines remotely when they want to go through them. Or, alternately, detonate them.

BTW, the mines are not terribly large things, just big enough to wreck a light vehicle, or cause a tank to throw a tread. They're more meant to inconvenience people and slow advances than anything else.

Also, I'm not particularly worried about an insurgency. I've been moving everything around almost entirely by air or by land battleship for the most part, except for local patrols around the landing site in Morocco and around the base construction site. The Moroccan military doesn't even pose a serious threat to Hataria, much less myself, and Xharn's forces, what remain of them, are concentrated much further north.

A bunch of hicks with AK-47s and RPG-7s are not something I am terribly concerned with.

So now all he has to do is kill someone and steal their remote control?

So now all he has to do is kill someone and steal their remote control?

That sounds like the proper plan...unless AN finds a couter-loop hole to the loop hole you just spoke of...

So now all he has to do is kill someone and steal their remote control?

Not quite that simple. You have to know the correct code to enter, which can be changed easily.

My units can get by the mines because they can deactivate the mines remotely when they want to go through them. Or, alternately, detonate them.

BTW, the mines are not terribly large things, just big enough to wreck a light vehicle, or cause a tank to throw a tread. They're more meant to inconvenience people and slow advances than anything else.
I'm not using tanks [in the southern district], and as clearly noted multiple times, I'm not using the main roads. The farmers are though, and therefore, they really don't like you.

Also, I'm not particularly worried about an insurgency. I've been moving everything around almost entirely by air or by land battleship for the most part, except for local patrols around the landing site in Morocco and around the base construction site. The Moroccan military doesn't even pose a serious threat to Hataria, much less myself, and Xharn's forces, what remain of them, are concentrated much further north.
You should be, as you just dropped a few tons of mines throughout southern Morocco for some reason...

The Moroccan 'military' is gone. I thought you had it crumble at the sight of you and Hataria on page 1...

Now you are up against something far worse, well armed and angry farmers...

A bunch of hicks with AK-47s and RPG-7s are not something I am terribly concerned with.
That generalization could equally well describe a large many of the Armies in the real world... A 203 mm shaped charge is a 203 mm shaped charge, does it matter what it came from? The damage would be the same whether fired by a biologically augmented soldier in a power armor or a 9 year old kid in his PJs...
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My units can get by the mines because they can deactivate the mines remotely when they want to go through them. Or, alternately, detonate them.
So now all he has to do is kill someone and steal their remote control?Not quite that simple. You have to know the correct code to enter, which can be changed easily
So how would you know?
And why can't I just jam it all and watch the fireworks?
Batteries wear out... I wonder what the wildlife would do to it
(bear chomping on a Claymore mine)
Plus, I could transmit false code updates to your men...
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I would very much wish to bring up your wonton use of landmines ICly in the next thread of peace negotiations. And no, I won't drag in dead children.

It also apeared that your actions are counter-productive of Hataria's otherwise noble intentions to make life in Morocco better by adding them to his conglomerate...

Since Hataria declared Morocco his, you just mined a territory of Hataria and killed Hatarian civillian farmers...
I'd like to see you explain that at the peace/press conference...
This is known as "sticking you foot on your ally's back and shooting it off with a shotgun"

Immediate military neccesities, namely, hindering any troops of AMF's or Pantera's that enter my areas, are more important to me than whatever noble goals Hataria has.

I use 4096 bit encryption, so you won't be able to transmit a signal that will be accepted as authentic. And if you want to start up a jammer in a wide enough area to jam the recievers on EVERY mine I've laid, thus making a big "Here I am!" sign, the more power to you.

As for the mines, I'll remove them when I need them to be gone.

Immediate military neccesities, namely, hindering any troops of AMF's or Pantera's that enter my areas, are more important to me than whatever noble goals Hataria has.

I use 4096 bit encryption, so you won't be able to transmit a signal that will be accepted as authentic. And if you want to start up a jammer in a wide enough area to jam the recievers on EVERY mine I've laid, thus making a big "Here I am!" sign, the more power to you.

As for the mines, I'll remove them when I need them to be gone.

What necessity?!
There was no revolt before the minefield, now there is one because of it.
AMF and Pantera has done nothing at this time to remotely consider worth killing Hatarians...

Did that, see Gorbechev... He's been broadcasting for quite some time...
And why would I try jamming everything at once?
You are making some rather large assumptions as to how my special forces work...

A bit late for that...

Oh, by all means, motor around the back roads of Morocco and/or Western Sahara all you want. Sooner or later your guys will get spotted by a recon UAV, and, well, you know what'll happen then. =p

Alternately, they'll try to cross one of the main roads, and the problem might take care of itself.

Keep in mind that you don't know IC how my mines work or how they're designed.

Keep in mind that you don't know IC how my mines work or how they're designed.

Some otherwise nice and innocent farmer will let us know.

In one form or another.

As for the UAV, most likely it would be destroyed, you'd send in a mop up squad of Minutemen, and the Hurtians make them look like comidians trying to fight a real war...

It depends on what UAV you use...

pretty sure I could frag a few Minutemen with 60 mm shaped charges and firebombs, maybe a fourgasse.

Hehe. If your guys are under observation, my troops might decide to play games by deactivating mines for the farmer when he drives over them, but activating them when you do.

Not quite that simple. You have to know the correct code to enter, which can be changed easily.

Okay, so he has to find some bloody imbecil who just so happened to write down the code so he wouldn't forget?

Wait...why would you need a code? Wouldn't it be irritating to keep inputing the code just to remote control a cluster of mines?

Okay, so he has to find some bloody imbecil who just so happened to write down the code so he wouldn't forget?

Wait...why would you need a code? Wouldn't it be irritating to keep inputing the code just to remote control a cluster of mines?

It keeps random jerks from making false codes or hacking the mines or whatever, doesn't it?

It keeps random jerks from making false codes or hacking the mines or whatever, doesn't it?

Well, I mean, if you were to put a remote trigger set to a specific and unique frequency, wouldn't that be sufficient to protect yourself from hackers? I mean, you could have it genetically tied to its user...and voice activated.

Hehe. If your guys are under observation, my troops might decide to play games by deactivating mines for the farmer when he drives over them, but activating them when you do.

So you now have a magic way of telling the diffeence between a friendly farmer, an angry farmer, and an insurgent?

You may want to tell a few RL militaries how you plan to manage that stunt...

Plus, I could send a farmer to manually de-activate those mines, or, alternately, disguise soe of my men as farmers (since military uniforms are a bit too high profile anyways)
In all cases, machines, especially cheap land mines, have horrendous IFF capacity...

It all seems a bit...Over-logical. And like a hell of a commitment of manpower for so simple a task as "lets mine roads, lol"

It all seems a bit...Over-logical. And like a hell of a commitment of manpower for so simple a task as "lets mine roads, lol"

Well... The swiss did set every one of their bridges and tunnels along the border for instant on demand demolition...

But those aren't land mines, just remotely manned roadblocks...

It all seems a bit...Over-logical. And like a hell of a commitment of manpower for so simple a task as "lets mine roads, lol"

If you'll recall correctly, these were mostly deployed via air. Not so much in the way of manpower, really. The rest is handled by the mine's design itself.

So the mines monitor themselves and can automatically tell if they're being tricked?

If it was that complex I'd just send in tanks with chain-flails, or find ways around. Maybe even just maul them so your roads are buggered for internal traffic

So the mines monitor themselves and can automatically tell if they're being tricked?

If it was that complex I'd just send in tanks with chain-flails, or find ways around. Maybe even just maul them so your roads are buggered for internal traffic

If you don't have the correct encryption key, they don't accept commands. Also I'd never use these on my own roads, but if I manage to hold onto Morocco, I'm planning on replacing the major roads anyways as asphalt and concrete does not handle the weight of 1200 ton super heavy assault tanks very well...

Though certain portions of the roads are probably destroyed anyways where Sand Devils or Sand Crabs crunched through them.

And yeah, just sweeping them is the best way to get rid of them, honestly, or else detonating them if you're the one that owns them. They are hardly intended to be a permanent feature, just an annoyance. =p

I guess talking tactics OOCly won't/didn't change your mind.

And neither did pointing out all the loopholes you've made yourself just so that you can continue claiming that you chose the best tactic.
(Generals do make mistakes, especially inexperianced ones, some make rather large blunders, such as a force of 10,000 surrendering to 150 without a fight...)

The 'excesive manpower' he was reffering to was the resources devoted to making sure those mines don't kill Hatarian civillians...
That was the 'commitment' you made, if you didn't make such a commtment, expect a few angry diplomatic calls from Hataria as soon as he finds out those farmers weren't born with only one leg...

Keeping track of your own forces is feasable, keeping track of allies gets tricky, and enemy is rather difficult even today, even when nations devote massive resources to it. Figuring out when every single farmer goes out for a walk and to run the mines in such a way nobody gets hurt is impossable.

Especially if one considers murphy's law, and that some mines naturally may not be able to recieve orders.

But sure, consider your minefields noted OOCly.
As well as the Hatarian Regiments movng to or being garrisioned in Akka rather than defending against potential amphib assault. And the multiple 7 man Hatarian commando teams out hunting fo insurgents and operating under complete radio silence I'd assume.

Just pray your mines don't start killing Hatarian soldiers...
I don't know ICly or OOCly if he bothered to fill you in about that.
So chances are the minefields are ON and he's marching through them...

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8081928318/m/6781979468

April 19th
Platoon size operation in new area. Heavily Booby trapped. Reid stepped in one, lost a foot. We casually came to call this area “Booby Trap Alley.” We lost an approximate 30 men in 3 weeks in this area. 16 guys get Purple Hearts from our platoon.

Once I was walking point and I literally walked into a mine field of ours without seeing the markings. I was so engrossed in watching the ground, of not falling into another pit, or tripping a trip wire, or stepping on a land mine, I failed to observe the bigger picture.

We were always seeing someone killed or maimed. I became very vigilant, always on guard that even today I find myself thinking and acting the same way. Medevac choppers usually took 45 minutes or longer to reach you so if anything did happen, you were going to suffer for a long time before help arrives. Many times I have seen and heard one of my comrades cry out in sheer pain for loss of a leg, or foot, or arm, etceteras. All a Corpsman could do is bandage you up and give you morphine. I didn’t want this to happen to me.

May 13th
One of my night terrors comes on this date. We had walked for hours and stopped for a long break. It was getting on in the day and we were told to saddle up again. Being tired I took an easy out that cost a man his life. After about 15 minutes we came upon a deep long gully. Being tired I didn’t feel like climbing in and out of it so I looked for another way. I found a tank track that had carved out an easy way in and out. I took it. Upon seeing me cross safely others started that way. About 30 feet behind me a Marine followed me through only to step on a mined howitzer round that took both his legs off. As he sat up he looked at himself and said “look at me“ and then he died. Those words ring often in my memories. There were also several broken legs and many shrapnel wounds. I believe that it was Corporal Haywood.

June 8th
We went out with two Recon patrols. Two dogs were attached to our squad. Some one up front stepped on a tomato can booby trap, both dogs were killed. One dog trainer was also killed. The trainer named McFarland & Dog Chabby had stayed in our tent the day before. I played with him and his dog.

July 15th
Bill Canter stepped on an anti tank mine on patrol. It was an instant death. Found about 18 pounds of him left. It was related to me by Patton. I broke down that day and cried like I had a whipping.

Nov 9th
We got a radio and I assigned someone to handle it. We headed out into an area we were told might be high in water. We were to expect a big movement by the Viet Cong that night. Headed for the given coordinates for our “ambush,” along the path we discovered and older woman who had only recently been killed. She had her right arm and her leg blown off. She was still bleeding. With her was a small girl who was crying. She was bleeding from the head. Blood was everywhere. She had been setting a booby trap for us along our path and had screwed up so it went off in her face.

I paraded the new squad like a pass in review procession by her. I wanted each of them to get the sense that this was real. Not a game. Not imaginary. I explained to them as they saw the dead body and the scene as it was. It surely made the impression I wanted for them. They knew they must watch where they stepped and whom they were dealing with.

I guess this is where having a laser would come in handy....

I never said it was the best tactic, I was just pointing out some problems with your assumption that the mines are trivially easy to deal with.

The mines on the roads are meant as nothing more than a delaying and annoyance measure, after all. The real defenses are mostly concentrated around the construction site and the two landing bases.

And yeah, Dephire, these arn't hard to sweep. Anything with a mine roller or mine flail could clear them quite easily.

(Though in some places, there is a further suprise in store for mine clearing vehicles, but I'll let you guys discover that for yourselves.)

edit: Also, Hatarian forces arn't in my areas, and in any event, know what roads the mines are on. At least, I assume his officers do.

Golden rule; NEVER assume with Hatarians :P

Well, I am going to say this, whatever Rebelion Hurtful Thoughts and Asgardnieu are trying to start will not work because of one thing..........Fear.

and The Tr-2 is a Terror Weapon.

a Tripod Walker, as tall as a 40 story Building, four tentacles waveing in the air, armed with a Flamethrower and two 20mm Mechine Guns and can throw a Man like a rag doll is something to be feared.

Seeing that will make even a Freekish Soldier run in terror as he is about to be grabed.

I never said it was the best tactic, I was just pointing out some problems with your assumption that the mines are trivially easy to deal with.

The mines on the roads are meant as nothing more than a delaying and annoyance measure, after all. The real defenses are mostly concentrated around the construction site and the two landing bases.

And yeah, Dephire, these arn't hard to sweep. Anything with a mine roller or mine flail could clear them quite easily.

(Though in some places, there is a further suprise in store for mine clearing vehicles, but I'll let you guys discover that for yourselves.)

edit: Also, Hatarian forces arn't in my areas, and in any event, know what roads the mines are on. At least, I assume his officers do.

I never said anything about anything being easy. If anything, it just complicates everything...
I also see the mines are mostly to defend against a conventional attack.

And there you go saying it is easy...

Yes, there are Hatarians in South Morocco, he posted it, I recognized it ICly.
Are you ignoring Hataria now?
Commisioned officers in a fire team/squad? LOL!
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As for your TR-2 terror weapon, when people figure out how to destroy them with simple farm tools... Not so much a terror weapon as propoganda and comic relief...

Hence why my southern group claimed to have destroyed 3 of them already...

And if those crazy [Hatarian] commandoes can't keep radio silence, keeping them at arm's length won't be that difficult...

Seeing that will make even a Freekish Soldier run in terror as he is about to be grabed.

I highly doubt that, since a Sentinel would just shoot a Javelin at it and destroy the thing. Either that or call in air support and have planes shoot missiles at it from a distance, since your walkers don't have anti-air defenses.

I highly doubt that, since a Sentinel would just shoot a Javelin at it and destroy the thing. Either that or call in air support and have planes shoot missiles at it from a distance, since your walkers don't have anti-air defenses.

Yep, having a longer sword just makes it easier to be blocked damaged, and snapped off at the hilt...

The original 'landcruisers' of 1930's were also terror weapons, as have been flamethrowers. There's a reason why people don't use them anymore...

Flamethrowers go boom very easily and are heavy, they also lacked range...

Landcruisers wre just big, slow, clumsy, and paper-thinly armored, who cared how many turrets and guns you gave it...

Best range of a flame was what? 100 yards? and 40 stories ~ 120 yards... That can't be right...
Your flamethrowers would have to 'piss' on the enemy for them to be worth anything...
Then followed by the flame... One can already figure out the sick joke that'll turn into...

I still don't know what stats you have on the TR-2...

Well, I am going to say this, whatever Rebelion Hurtful Thoughts and Asgardnieu are trying to start will not work because of one thing..........Fear.

and The Tr-2 is a Terror Weapon.

a Tripod Walker, as tall as a 40 story Building, four tentacles waveing in the air, armed with a Flamethrower and two 20mm Mechine Guns and can throw a Man like a rag doll is something to be feared.

Seeing that will make even a Freekish Soldier run in terror as he is about to be grabed.

Something that size is just a large 'Here I am' target. They would be easy to take out in battle. Bring in some fighters with air to ground missiles and it will be "Bye, bye, Mr. Tripod.'

Or get off a few lucky shots from a tank and the same thing will happen.

It's cheaper to turn your soldiers into the fear makers.

Also, Hat..It is ludicrously undergunned.

What are you going to hunt with a 40story walker armed with only anti personel weapons? Ok, the 20mm cannons might harm ifv's, but the only threat this will ever be to a main battle tank is if the crew of said tank die of laughter.

Or if it falls on them. Neither of which are long term strategies to keep your empire afloat.

Also, how much energy do those things require? 40 stories of metal would take quite a bit to maneuver.

Sorry I havn't been posting. A lot of stuff IRL has been happening, and I'm going to be taking a short hiatus from NS. I will be back, it won't be too long, but I really just need to get my shit together. Hataria, if you want to continue this when I get back, I'd be more than glad to. If you don't, I can understand that too. Its your choice. I'll make sure everyone knows when I'm back, though.

Well, I am going to say this, whatever Rebelion Hurtful Thoughts and Asgardnieu are trying to start will not work because of one thing..........Fear.

and The Tr-2 is a Terror Weapon.

a Tripod Walker, as tall as a 40 story Building, four tentacles waveing in the air, armed with a Flamethrower and two 20mm Mechine Guns and can throw a Man like a rag doll is something to be feared.

Seeing that will make even a Freekish Soldier run in terror as he is about to be grabed.

First, I'd like to note that I've never RPed with anyone involved with this, and only clicked on this thread by accident, so I'm totally unbiased saying this.

Hataria's Tr-2's would likely be effective as a terror weapon against peasants. The sheer psychological fear it provides would no doubt convince many not to rebel.

However...

Every Tr-2 that Hataria builds is probably a hundred tanks or a few thousand soldiers he's NOT deploying to Morocco. Furthermore, there's no way to hide something 40 stories tall, so any competant military will simply call in air support to take them out.

In short, they would perhaps be useful deep inside Morocco to instill fear, but utterly useless against any army.

In short, they would perhaps be useful deep inside Morocco to instill fear, but utterly useless against any army.

Would this include a group of 6 elite troops with rudamentry air support and anti-tank weapons?* Or a full company of Special forces augmented by local volunteers and 2 light tanks, in addition to air support and ATGMs...
(Against perhaps 1 or 2 of these things at a time...)

*Or any sort of ambush with decent planning and organization beforand?

I will admit, a 40 story tall building that HG Wells described as: "Continually falling forward and putting one of its three legs in front to prevent it from crashing to the ground" Would indeed scare those who don't see it as silly (RE: Not inside of something proof against 20 mm). I'm paraphasing the abridged version...

Plus, as GI Joe says: 'Knowing is half the battle". And claiming they 'know' of a way to easily destroy the TR-2 is considerable moral booster.

Like figuring out that the 'Elefant' TD didn't have a machine gun... Allowing soviet infantry to destroy them at liesure...

Also, Hat..It is ludicrously undergunned.

Eh, I wouldn't say so. After all, it's a hideously unstable platform, and depending on how wide this thing is, recoil would be like pushing on a ridiculously large lever. Wouldn't take that much to knock it over.

Even so though, had I made something like this (not like I would), I would have at least added more machineguns, and some missile launchers and so forth, as well as smoke dispensers and stuff. Mabye also poison gas sprayers.

Seriously, though. This thing makes one of my Admiral A-1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9505838&postcount=28) assault tanks look normal and reasonable. o.x

Even so though, had I made something like this (not like I would), I would have at least added more machineguns, and some missile launchers and so forth, as well as smoke dispensers and stuff. Mabye also poison gas sprayers.

Seriously, though. This thing makes one of my Admiral A-1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9505838&postcount=28) assault tanks look normal and reasonable. o.x

Specs look as if you decided to make a landmobile nuclear reactor and then slapped on some armor and guns...

Not surprisingly, it actually looks feasable once you get the ground pressure solved.

Add:
do you still use the ACW?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9269127&postcount=17

Edit: Ah... there's the Minuteman specs...

40 mm anti-mech shotguns don't fail me now...
Or my 6.5 mm AP bullets... (could really annoy your sensors)
Or magnetic 203 mm shaped charge anti-tank demolition charges/mines...
Or I could 'liberate' some of AN's mines...

Still no new posts in either the Kumite or Moroccan thread...

Yeah, accidentially stepping on one of those mines would definitely damage a Minuteman. It's kind of hard to armor the internals of that wheel/ball setup for skating around, so if that's deployed, and the explosion damages it while the Minuteman is skating around, well, faceplant time most likely.

Also, stepping on a dedicated antitank mine would blow the whole leg off at minimum, which would kill the pilot, most likely, or disable the thing mostly if it's a Metalman. Claymore-type things and other such antipersonnel weapons won't do much to the armor, though they will damage the OLED camo, not that that works as well as it could in a desert environment anyways, which is a little irrelevant since the Desert Type's backpack doesn't have the stuff on it.

The ACW is still used by normal troops (not everyone has a Minuteman, after all, I'm not Bretton, so I can't afford such a thing =p). As for the Admiral A-1, yeah, that's a pretty accurate summation. I really need to figure out a more appropriate reactor output for the thing sometime, since I'm pretty sure that's way too much for a tank. Also, slight correction: that's a fusion reactor, not a nuclear reactor.

I was thinking of somehow getting the 203 mm shaped charge to detonate on the minuteman's back...

If all else fails, 60-155 mm improvised shaped charge/frag/incindiary devices should work...*
*Dangerous to handle, think WW1 grenades with 'all ways' fuze*

I'm wondering about the cartridge length of those 6.5 mm bullets...

Plus, I'm in the mountains, there are streams, rives and forests there, so OLED may be a bit useful provided it remains intact.

Your Military equipment thread could use an index on the 1st post and a link in your sig...

Hmmm,
*plays theme song of 'Predator'*
Your service rifles appear to lack OLEDs...

Wow, Hataria...scary...

Eh, I wouldn't say so. After all, it's a hideously unstable platform, and depending on how wide this thing is, recoil would be like pushing on a ridiculously large lever. Wouldn't take that much to knock it over.
That was not my point, mate..The point was that it would be absolutely no threat to any serios opponent, while being, itself, under serios threat from anything larger than a modern ifv..Those leg joints are awfully inviting as targets for cannon rounds..

Same principle as taking down a Titan with a Shadowsword.

Piece o' piss

ooc Sorry to interject, but unless the thing moves incredibly slowly [which in MT it likely would] then its unlikely your just going to nerf its knees. I have heard that argument about mechs so many times I just cant help but laugh when I hear it. The reality is most shots on a human form will hit the shoulders/chest area. This however, being a big ol tripod is a little different..but still the same. After all the legs arent that wide...so hitting them with a shell is not as easy as it looks. All those fancy targetting computers people like the US army use are nearly useless facing powerful ECM. If these walkers also carried very powerful ECM/ECCM they could become a little more surviveable, also anti air craft missiles would help a great deal. It has the height to engage aircraft at the same distance they can engage it, and if its spitting out ECM it will be more accurate. Still MT robots should be left at metal gear style, things like sentinels from 40k and power armour, nothing as insane as a tripod, MT..even PMT isnt high tech enough for that, remember one big missile from a fighter jet can sink a battleship in real life, this thing is just a more fragile walking battleship. Still it would make civilians break and run during riots and insurgencies. .

ooc Sorry to interject, but unless the thing moves incredibly slowly [which in MT it likely would] then its unlikely your just going to nerf its knees. I have heard that argument about mechs so many times I just cant help but laugh when I hear it. The reality is most shots on a human form will hit the shoulders/chest area. This however, being a big ol tripod is a little different..but still the same. After all the legs arent that wide...so hitting them with a shell is not as easy as it looks. All those fancy targetting computers people like the US army use are nearly useless facing powerful ECM. If these walkers also carried very powerful ECM/ECCM they could become a little more surviveable, also anti air craft missiles would help a great deal. It has the height to engage aircraft at the same distance they can engage it, and if its spitting out ECM it will be more accurate. Still MT robots should be left at metal gear style, things like sentinels from 40k and power armour, nothing as insane as a tripod. Still it would make civilians break and run during riots and insurgencies. .

18th century solution:
Chainshot...
Used for cutting off mainmasts of ships, rendering them immobile sitting ducks for the next broadside...

Also, I'd assume something 40 stories tall and only 3 support points needs rather large 'legs'. A good gust of wind could throw it off balance...

If all else fails, shoot APHE at the 'hip' separating the man from the mount. Even if you miss you'll hit something valuable...

A tank/mobile AAA hitting a tank/aircraft sized target at 200 yards is pretty much point blank...
As such vehicles could do that at ranges in excess of 1 Km...

18th century solution:
Chainshot...
Used for cutting off mainmasts of ships, rendering them immobile sitting ducks for the next broadside...
Even better, since we're at PMT anyway... Monomol wire bolo rounds for tanks. Slice off legs of silly mecha and slaughter infantry alike!

A tank/mobile AAA hitting a tank/aircraft sized target at 200 yards is pretty much point blank...
As such vehicles could do that at ranges in excess of 1 Km...
1km is still pretty darn close for a tank. I believe the Abram's targetting system is effective out to 8 kilometers, and I dread to think how far your average NS tank can see. I think you could get reliable hits from at least that far with, say, a Nakil. Probably be able to "snipe" point targets at half that, maybe more, even on something the size of a normal tank.

All those fancy targetting computers people like the US army use are nearly useless facing powerful ECM.
Hardly. Firing computers aren't automated like you seem to think, they simply make the task of aiming your gun easier. It merely stabilizes the barrel, accounts for windage, temperature, barrel droop, etc.

The fire control computer automatically calculates the fire control solution based on: lead angle measurement; bend of the gun measured by the muzzle reference system; velocity measurement from a wind sensor on the roof of the turret; data from a pendulum static cant sensor located at the centre of the turret roof. The operator manually inputs data on ammunition type, temperature, and barometric pressure.

also anti air craft missiles would help a great deal. It has the height to engage aircraft at the same distance they can engage it, and if its spitting out ECM it will be more accurate.
Not really. With all the signals it'll be putting out, just use an anti-radiation missile and it pops like a balloon, from far longer range than the mech can strike back from. Even if it's taller than your average tank, SAMs have nowhere near the range of a properly placed surface-to-air missile. Gravity and all that.

Not really. With all the signals it'll be putting out, just use an anti-radiation missile and it pops like a balloon, from far longer range than the mech can strike back from. Even if it's taller than your average tank, SAMs have nowhere near the range of a properly placed Air-to-Surface missile. Gravity and all that.

SAMs and ASMs
(Per given mass)

(Chainshot is also very effective as AP shot since it disperses wider than it is tall, at about man hieght...*)

*A modern version was developed in the 70's so that American tanks could rapidly clear forests. Pretty much just chained 2 tanks together and drove willy-nilly through the forests, snapping trees as you went...
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=11140&search=St+George&images=&c=&s=
Other methods of land clearing included the mallee roller, ball and chain, and anchor chain. The mallee roller evolved in the 1860s by wheat farmers in South Australia to clear mallee country by rolling with a tree trunk or old boiler then burning it. In Queensland both the ball and chain hauled by a bulldozer and an anchor chain hauled between two bulldozers were used to effectively smash down woodlands. The latter method continues to this day.

Description
Anchor chain for tree ripping, six links, iron or steel, used Queensland, Australia, 1950-2000.

The chain comprises six links of welded iron or steel. These links originated from a much longer anchor chain or cable, as it is known in maritime terms, of some 122 metres (400 feet) in length.

Edit:
I noticed 3 simple MT methods to spot a 'cloacked' minuteman.
1: Use trackers/color blind soldiers (OLEDs don't match texture too well)
2: Shoot White Phospherous (max's out the sensors, and OLEDs cannot match brightnes, it would be like looking at an eclipse, the smoke would also follow the minutemen.
3: Use IR sensors

There's also the added bit that Minuteman weapons don't have OLED camo on them.

The stuff is meant to make 'em harder to see, not invisible. :)

The Minuteman II will be omitting the stuff in any case to reduce production and maintenance costs.

There's also the added bit that Minuteman weapons don't have OLED camo on them.

The stuff is meant to make 'em harder to see, not invisible. :)

The Minuteman II will be omitting the stuff in any case to reduce production and maintenance costs.
Awwwww........
I can't go re-enacting scenes from the movie 'Predator' then...

Now I just get to chop up dime-a-dozen walking tanks....

*Looks over weakspots*
Feet (just slows them down a bit more than usual, not much else)
Hands (Lowers dexterity, makes robotic hand/eye coordnation difficult)
'Head' (Screws up sensors like you wouldn't believe)
Back (May cause uncontrollable energy discharge)
Weapons hardpoints (burn!)
Chest (not a vital target, as killing the 'pilot' merely defaults the armor to act as a droid, still, people may target this location)

Now post before I figure out how to stop an army of Minutemen with only a pitchfork...

I havn't posted because there's nothing I need to respond to in any thread at the moment that I know of. On the contrary, I'm waiting for a response from Pantera in the Morocco thread.

I havn't posted because there's nothing I need to respond to in any thread at the moment that I know of. On the contrary, I'm waiting for a response from Pantera in the Morocco thread.

Now how do you expect the fox to run if you refuse to chase it?

I guss MLF isn't a threat to your operations...
It is feasable for a nation wrapped up in the 'big picture' can miss those tiny embers.

I am that fox.

I am that fox.

Then does that mean I'm the dog watering your flowerbed and eating your supper?
(Just drawing a point, not intentionally insulting)

I'm in your land trying to stir up a revolution against you.

In the north, I have people driving tanks through Hatarian controled villages handing out candy and leaflets...

As for the Kumite thread, nobody knows where that one goes...

I'm waiting for Xharn to make his next post before I move on, as I do not want things to get too far ahead without him. Trouble is, he hasn't logged into his nation in a week....

Actually the M1 is 4 kilometers or so, the Russian T-90's barrel launched missile however, is 5 kilometers, give or take. I wanted to mention this because, though my MT knowledge is semi sketchy, I do love my tanks and remember many conversations with friends on the T-90 vs M1a2 match up. I am not entirely a mecha freak <.< I do have A tank in my FT inventory.

As for an FT walker, to be honest I wouldnt build anything like that...something like say a Gundam is late PMT early FT at least. Terra novan heavy gears could be used in late MT, maybe even gearkrieg style, or Patlabors however they are much more IFV then kings of the battlefield. However if there is any MT mecha, I would say the best examples are still Metal Gear Rex, Shagohod and several forms of power armour ranging from the Jin Roh Wolf brigade armour, to the policenauts armour. Still the Policenauts I might consider PMT. When i was toying with MT at the beginning, the closest thing to a mecha I fielded was a power armour along the lines of Jin roh style armour.

Mecha in MT would not be developed enough and more equivalent to the first Matilda tanks in WW I. Finicky, primitive and tempermental almost to the point of scrapping the design. It takes dedication to keep building mecha, thats for sure. However one other type might work. Quad leg, low profile walking tanks.?

I havn't posted because there's nothing I need to respond to in any thread at the moment that I know of. On the contrary, I'm waiting for a response from Pantera in the Morocco thread.

Apologies for the delay. My online time has been precious the past week, and Armageddon stole the little I could spare. I'm hoping to get back and get a proper reply up in the next day or two but I can't make promises as we're gearing up for a move to a new home. Feel free to prod me on AIM or a telegram if you want to discuss it. I always keep AIM running.

Don't worry about it, real life always takes precedence. :)