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Duh. The Falkan Islands War was "many years ago"; this is a re-creation of that war, so the Argentina can get what they rightly deserve, the Falkan Islands...

I'm actually surprised that they actually fought the British over that. Seeing as the British have a much better navy and air power. I don't know much about it, however. Let me read up on it now.

Could you please enlight me to what this means? I haven't really learned much of the Nation States slang here, lol.

Freshly minted term I pulled from nowhere...

Reffering to how 15 pages of RP can pass in 8 hrs between less than 5 people, and causing all other players to be confused.

Mostly because of the likeness between rabbits in heat and the post rate on said thread. Tis an orgy of posts... Somtimes 5-way or more...

This kills as many threads as inactivity.
(an example was the well marketed and popular war against the Griffencrest corporation, where so many people posted at once, that entire pages filled in seconds)

(It also reffers to the mess it makes after the orgy of posts, when all the missed events creep up and take an effect upon you, like tending to the 'new additions' of rabbits...)

In a very bad case of 'rabbit posting', a thread would gain 5 pages in the time it would take to read this post.

Is it fair to call in an Air Strike the new company moving up?

And it doesn't matter if you have a better rifle than the AK, would it make that would of a difference?

Is it fair to call in an Air Strike the new company moving up?

And it doesn't matter if you have a better rifle than the AK, would it make that would of a difference?

Not really because my forces aren't near anyone yet and it would be godmodding.

Not really because my forces aren't near anyone yet and it would be godmodding.

Fair Enough.

Is it fair to call in an Air Strike the new company moving up?

And it doesn't matter if you have a better rifle than the AK, would it make that would of a difference?

Wow, I just realised that the AK-47 has atleast fifty meters of range on your M16 and three hundred meters on your M-4. Hehe, and I thought six hundred meters was a short distance. Prepared to be ripped apart. Also as the RP stated, an Artillery Strike on one building, holding one sniper would cause too much collatoral damage for such limited results. And I believe the same goes for the new Company. You haven't even seen them yet.

We've kinda stalled because of a mixup, but I think you can still join in. (And yes, I'm aware it's really supposed to be a British unit... that little fact got lost somewhere along the way)

~ Ferrard

I don't want in on this battle, I want something different.

My thoughts on Weaponry and Airstrikes:

The Weaponry question has been discussed plenty-a-time on the America's Army Forum, and I'll use the same logic here as I do there - is the weapon available on the open market? Is it mass produced? Is it cheap? Is it above all other things, reliable?

Most minimally developed countries (including Iraq) will have little use for fancy whiz-bangery like Steyr or Sig weaponry, simply because the stupid conscripts don't know how to clean their boots, much less a gun (yes, that's a hyperbole). The AK-47 is still being mass produced by Russia and China for export, and will probably be in production for as long as combustion based ballistic projectile weapons are in popular usage. The AK-74 is used much less; it doesn't have the international reputation of an AK-47. Currently, Russia and former Warsaw Pact nations plus Yugoslavia are the only ones fielding the weapon in any great quantity. If the AK-74 is already unpopular on the world market when compared with the AK-47, what would be the chances of an even newer weapon or an experimental model being exported? Very very unlikely.

Airstrikes:

No one can deny that the United States had complete air superiority for this campaign. I have no doubt that the ground-pounders at this point were flying delivery trucks, maybe having to evade the occasional hand-held SAM, but nothing worse than that.

Add to that the skill of United States visual and signals intelligence, and it becomes very likely that if this company were traveling on open roads for a significant length of time, they'd get hit multiple times by air-strikes. See the Highway of Death in 1991 for references.

Edit: Right, godmodding... forgot about that, thanks for the reminder. In this case, it'd be the compan commander's choice whether or not the convoy gets hit. It might be a pretty cool scene to pull a unit back together from...

~ Ferrard

Wow, I just realised that the AK-47 has atleast fifty meters of range on your M16 and three hundred meters on your M-4. Hehe, and I thought six hundred meters was a short distance. Prepared to be ripped apart. Also as the RP stated, an Artillery Strike on one building, holding one sniper would cause too much collatoral damage for such limited results. And I believe the same goes for the new Company. You haven't even seen them yet.

You may have more range, but it is more inaccurate. And according to battlefield studies, most engagements take place at 200 meters or less.

As for the Artillery, I can replace that for mortars.

You may have more range, but it is more inaccurate. And according to battlefield studies, most engagements take place at 200 meters or less.

As for the Artillery, I can replace that for mortars.

DUDE!!!! You don't get the point!!!! You don't see they guys yet.

DUDE!!!! You don't get the point!!!! You don't see they guys yet.

not talking about your convoy....

Wikipedia states:
The AK-47 is generally considered a less accurate rifle. The main problem is that the AK-47 uses a crude type of sight, but when fitted with an upgraded sighting system, it has an effective range of around 300 yards.

Yeah, but for some reason it's U.S. Marines that're doing the assault in this RP... *shrugs*

~ Ferrard

I could say that it was the Royal Scots Guards of the 7th Armored Brigade, Desert Rats, again, but why would I do that.

Fine, they're Marines now...

not talking about your convoy....

Wikipedia states:
The AK-47 is generally considered a less accurate rifle. The main problem is that the AK-47 uses a crude type of sight, but when fitted with an upgraded sighting system, it has an effective range of around 300 yards.

Ah well. My troops are veterans I could easily RP them as wielding M-16's, but I won't. I WILL, however, RP them as being experts with the M-16, and as soon as I take a squad or two out we will have the M-16 and have range on your troops via experience.

I could say that it was the Royal Scots Guards of the 7th Armored Brigade, Desert Rats, again, but why would I do that.

Fine, they're Marines now...

Could be that too.

Also as the RP stated, an Artillery Strike on one building, holding one sniper would cause too much collatoral damage for such limited results.

That is a very true statement; the army would probably frown upon the Artillery strike, but there's a particular grey area when it comes to warfare. Counter-sniping is usually the prefered way to combat enemy snipers, but in time-critical situations, I'd expect a bit of leeway is given to the commander on the scene.

And the AK's range is not that good. Neither is the M-16s, unless it is accurized like the special marksmanship rifles used by Navy SEALs and Army Special Forces. In combat, I wouldn't expect reliably accurate hits on a human-sized target beyond about a hundred-fifty meters for well-trained troops (which the Iraqi's in general aren't quite)

~ Ferrard

Ah well. My troops are veterans I could easily RP them as wielding M-16's, but I won't. I WILL, however, RP them as being experts with the M-16, and as soon as I take a squad or two out we will have the M-16 and have range on your troops via experience.

Where would Iraqi's learn to use M16's?

and range on us via experience?

I'm sure the U.S. Marines, which prides itself on it's marksmanship, would have more experience than some conscripts.

That is a very true statement; the army would probably frown upon the Artillery strike, but there's a particular grey area when it comes to warfare. Counter-sniping is usually the prefered way to combat enemy snipers, but in time-critical situations, I'd expect a bit of leeway is given to the commander on the scene.

And the AK's range is not that good. Neither is the M-16s, unless it is accurized like the special marksmanship rifles used by Navy SEALs and Army Special Forces. In combat, I wouldn't expect reliably accurate hits on a human-sized target beyond about a hundred-fifty meters for well-trained troops (which the Iraqi's in general aren't quite)

~ Ferrard

I could be wrong, but I read somewhere that the U.S. Marines train their recruits to hit with an M16 out to 300 yards. (could be wrong)

Where would Iraqi's learn to use M16's?

and range on us via experience?

I'm sure the U.S. Marines, which prides itself on it's marksmanship, would have more experience than some conscripts.

Damn, forgot I was fighting marines. But non the less, they've fought and used the M-16 before. No all unit, but mine particullary, and even if they didn't, the could always learn on the spot, calibrating sites, and looking down a barrel and that hard, especially if you've used on before.

Damn, forgot I was fighting marines. But non the less, they've fought and used the M-16 before. No all unit, but mine particullary, and even if they didn't, the could always learn on the spot, calibrating sites, and looking down a barrel and that hard, especially if you've used on before.

Where did they do this?

It just seems strange to me that some conscripts would know hot to use an M16, considering the cleaning and other things require on it as well.

never said they would clean the damned thing.

never said they would clean the damned thing.

=/. Okay.

Umm we are forgetting one major thing. The Iraqi forces were composed basically of a bunch of disorganized conscripts. Even if the AK has great range, the shooter needs to be able to use it. About the only thing Iraq had that could use that weapon well, was the Republican Guard, which there is a very limited number of.

I would like to join as the Iraqi military, British guys, and the Nazi lovers.

So then of course the next question is, when does this thing start?

The battle for Al Basra has started already, but the Iraqi's are pretty well represented right now - not that many Marine commanders.

For the Basra Iraqis: At some point we need to have a counter-attack head through the East bridge to try to flank the Americans while they're bottled up at the Southern Bridge.

~ Ferrard

Umm we are forgetting one major thing. The Iraqi forces were composed basically of a bunch of disorganized conscripts. Even if the AK has great range, the shooter needs to be able to use it. About the only thing Iraq had that could use that weapon well, was the Republican Guard, which there is a very limited number of.


About dosn't mean all buddy. And ATLEAST two years of fighting does allot to your abilities with the AK-47, bro.

I can take the Marines if you want some.

I can take the Marines if you want some.

That would be nice - the Iraqi's are a bit top-heavy with chiefs, and I haven't seen that many people posting as the Marines.

~ Ferrard

If anyone needs a Marine commander, I guess I could step up...

I'm realizing belatedly that maybe we should wait for Wanderjar to come back before going any further...

~ Ferrard

I'm realizing belatedly that maybe we should wait for Wanderjar to come back before going any further...

~ Ferrard

I know him pretty well, and I know where he wants this to go. I can take his place meanwhile if wanted.

Can someone give me a rundown of what's happening?

@ Canadstein: Take a look at this post and it'll give you an idea of how things are arranged physically.

Other than that, just read the topic :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12061654&postcount=66

~ Ferrard

Okay thanks I will make a post in the next hour.

My Vietnam RP failed due to a lack of true objectives. Noone knew what they were doing and finally it collapsed.


Yep, that's the Vietnam war for you. ;)

Well, if one side isn't posting, and looks like they are unable to do so or just will not. I'll step in-

Until then I will pronouce divine destruction on Allah, from God; then when my mood changes, or I just get bored, divine retribution on God, in Allah's name.

Well, if one side isn't posting, and looks like they are unable to do so or just will not. I'll step in-

Because someone hasn't posted in the last half-hour most certainly does not mean they've left the RP...

This would be the 'rabbit-posting' PROHT spoke of.

Ooooh, is this all still open, cos I'm interested in joining, dunno about in Basra cos you guys seem to be pretty full and I'm not really the one to trawl through posts, but yes for other things, specially the Falklands thingy.

intrested in rping the falklands (brits) or ammunition hill (either side).

if you get either off the ground pm me or telegram my nation or The Uk in Exile

Gente Del Agua:
WHY would a unit trained mostly to use AKs and armed with AKs give up their prided guns for some dumb foriegner's gun?

"This is my rifle..."

Just learn the workin's of the AK and RP...
Stead of letting your OOC pride for the M-16A4 get the better of you.

Because someone hasn't posted in the last half-hour most certainly does not mean they've left the RP...

This would be the 'rabbit-posting' PROHT spoke of.

I understand that, and still consider everyone part of the thread still a current and active participant. I am not going to take the task until it becomes amazingly obvious.

I understand that, and still consider everyone part of the thread still a current and active participant. I am not going to take the task until it becomes amazingly obvious.

Wander doesn't go wandering without warning...

Give him a week before considering him gone.

Is there still room in the rp. If so, I'll be a American commander.

Why not have some battles from the napolionic wars or somethings similar? They're always good

How about we consider doing Rorke's Drift?

I like to join this rp idea.

How about we consider doing Rorke's Drift?

ooo yea!!! Where the British hold up against a larger African force?

during the course of two blistering hot days a company of 24th warickshire regiment fought hand to hand and bayonet to spear with upwards of 4000 zulu's, not for the fate of the nation, but for simple survival. the Zulu's rushed the Redcoats who replied with volleys of repeating rifle fire before defending the barricades with fixed bayonets, the entire battle took place over a mission consisting of a chapel, which became the aid post, the house and an outhouse, several fenced and stone corals and a perimeter consisting fundamentally of a 4 foot high line of meal filled bags.

100 redcoats vs 4000 spear armed tribes men with a handful of guns (but nowhere near the same level of training with them)

http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/battle/chard_map.htm
the dotted red lines i believe are zulu attack paths and the unbroken red lines are the brit perimeter positions

just to provide some background

ooo yea!!! Where the British hold up against a larger African force?

No, British forces hold out against Zulu forces, who were Afrikan, they shouldn't be grouped with the degenerates that continent usually produces.

No, British forces hold out against Zulu forces, who were Afrikan, they shouldn't be grouped with the degenerates that continent usually produces.

ACTUALLY, back then African tribes were very powerful. If you disagree tell me how the Ethiopian tribes managed to defend against a larger, more powerful Italy?

ACTUALLY, back then African tribes were very powerful. If you disagree tell me how the Ethiopian tribes managed to defend against a larger, more powerful Italy?

I don't know how apt the word 'defend' is. If this description from Wikipedia is half as true as it claims to be, some boy scouts with super soakers could've destroyed them.

They [the Italians] had inadequate maps, old model guns, poor communication equipment and inferior footgear for the rocky ground. (The newer Remingtons were not issued because Baratieri, under constraints to be economical, wanted to use up the old cartridges.) Morale was terrible as the veterans were homesick and the newcomers too inexperienced to have any espirit de corps. There was a shortage of mules and saddles.

Regardless Ethiopia was soundly defeated a little bit later in their second little war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Abyssinian_War).

I don't know how apt the word 'defend' is. If this description from Wikipedia is half as true as it claims to be, some boy scouts with super soakers could've destroyed them.



Regardless Ethiopia was soundly defeated a little bit later in their second little war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Abyssinian_War).

Yes, but what about the first war?????this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Italo-Abyssinian_War)

Yes, but what about the first war?????this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Italo-Abyssinian_War)

Once again, 'defended' could be to strong of a word. Some poorly supplied, and trained Italians with some dis-affafected Afrikans somehow (:rolleyes: ) manage to be defeated by a force 5 times its size. Once defeated, the borders were brought to prewar boundries so that Italy could try again and finish the job later on.

Yes they managed to stave off European imperialism, the only country to do so (except for that small bit of land that was overlooked in the West) and the only country to stave it off militarily. Before being defeated in detail later.

Regardless, I feel I am hijacking the thread, and must return it to Wanderjar.

To Ausha as an OOC for the Basra thread: It would be safe to assume the Coalition of the Willing would have United States air support, considering Iraq's Air Force could have spit at the USAF and done more damage than all their combat aircraft combined. Close Air Support has been something the United States has practiced ever since World War II, and it's something the USAF is very good at.

And anyways, the bombs are definately huge morale blows - there are now four enormous craters where there used to be hastily erected bunkers/pillboxes (why the American Artillery hasn't pounded this flat is a mystery to me), but physically the bombs were relatively inefficient. They were concentrated big explosions, not a JSOW or Rockeye cluster (now that's a nasty thought...) Most of your men, though a little shaken, are probably perfectly fine. Except for that fellow there who doesn't exist anymore. :(

~ Ferrard

im very interested. can i join the americans in al-basra?

im very interested. can i join the americans in al-basra?

Tough call...

Are you willing to fight as an Iraqi instead?

.... uhhh id rather be US :D.

maybe i can take alook again at ur sims and choose another one

At the moment we seem to still have more active Iraqis than Americans, so I myself would want word from Wanderjar about this.

~ Ferrard

I'd be glad to join this marvellous RP! It seems neat, can't imagine how can I have let it go unnoticed all this long... but now I found it, and would love to take part.

If some players in Basra aren't being active enough, I volunteer to serve as an replacement. Or, if there is no room for newcomers in it, then sign me up for the Kurils invasion at least.

At the moment we seem to still have more active Iraqis than Americans, so I myself would want word from Wanderjar about this.

~ Ferrard

Go for it. Americans it is!


Welcome Eb! Long time no see! :D

I'd be glad to join this marvellous RP! It seems neat, can't imagine how can I have let it go unnoticed all this long... but now I found it, and would love to take part.

If some players in Basra aren't being active enough, I volunteer to serve as an replacement. Or, if there is no room for newcomers in it, then sign me up for the Kurils invasion at least.

*Ego goes through the roof*

:D

Welcome! American or Iraqi?


By the way, the next one will be the Battle of Oakville.

I'd prefer Republican Guard company coming in as a last reserve unit that can be called, to make a desperate coutner attack in attempt turn the tide of the battle. If the tide needs to be turned that is, I haven't read this through yet.. :rolleyes:

But if you need Americans more than Iraqis, then sure. Anything goes. If I need to play Coalition, I'd rather have British Armour than yankees though.

EDIT: About Oakwille - if there were enough black people in the town, I'd like to play a group of them, after storming a gun store and arming themselves to the teeth, trying to hold few buildings (to which they have gathered their families) until the help arrives...

hey wandejar thx. can i get the link to the IC thread?

hey wandejar thx. can i get the link to the IC thread?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510232


here ya go!


@Madnestan: Sure! The Republican Guard thing sounds good. There are enough Americans right? And the Iraqis should outnumber the Americans anyhow... (As for Oakville, we'll discuss this later, but I don't see why you couldn't ;))

bump

Is there still room in the rp.

Is there still room in the rp.

Absolutely. Right now we're fighting the Battle of Al-Basra. What side do you want? Americans or Iraqis?

Americans

Americans

Cool. Get in there and start fighting!

EDIT: I'd like to apologize. That link was to this page, not the RP. :( *Feels dumb....*

I'd like to be involved as a squad leader who's been trapped behind enemy lines with minimal supplies. Y'know, as an objective sort of thing for one of the commanders to try and rescue my character.

Is that cool?

I'd like to be involved as a squad leader who's been trapped behind enemy lines with minimal supplies. Y'know, as an objective sort of thing for one of the commanders to try and rescue my character.

Is that cool?

It is, but the Al-Basra RP is too small scale for something like that, unless the Iraqis make a breakthrough through the Americans. Of course, there will be others, such as the eventual Falkland Islands conflict, Sinai Campaign, Golan Heights, Battle of Ammunition Hill, where something like that could easily be done. (I'm also working on the Fall of Saigon, Battle of Hue Citadel, Bay of Pigs, Battle of Mogadishu, and another favorite which I'm still writing up, the Battle of Lichtenstein, between the Swiss and the Austrians, and in any of these, you're lost squad could easily be RPd, and done very well!)


If you still wanna be in, I'd like that though! And when we do one of the others where it is more feasible, then go for it! Its just not likely right now, with the small scale of this RP area.

I'd like to be involved as a squad leader who's been trapped behind enemy lines with minimal supplies. Y'know, as an objective sort of thing for one of the commanders to try and rescue my character.

Is that cool?

Done, hope you like tanks...

Without infantry...

You could try swimming the channel, but chances are dozens of RPKs and mortars have it zeroed...

I kinda blew up a bridge on accident... with just american armor on one side, and a mostly infantry unit on the other (with a very few tanks from appearances).

There's a reason why Wanderjar wanted me in this RP...:p

Now time for those RPG-7s to have a workout on one side, while the RPKs work the other...

Having set-piece battles is a great idea. I don't wanna join the current battle, too much catching up to do, but i'd love to get into the next one (whichever that is).

Having set-piece battles is a great idea. I don't wanna join the current battle, too much catching up to do, but i'd love to get into the next one (whichever that is).

Thats cool. Like I've said, the next one is the Battle of Oakville (read about it on the front page).

Look forward to seeing you on it! :D

Hmmm, the situation is quite messy over there... I have to read it through few times before posting... and, btw, could it be possible for me to play those Polish SpecOps, GROM (Grupa Reagowania Operacyjno-Manewrowego), that were actually there when Basra was taken, instead of Republican Guard? I can see they are already represented, as are Delta Force, Marines, infantry and armoured forces, etc... I want to have something that isn't there yet, that others don't have, so a company of Polish Specialists making a tiny landing, or even swimming to the middle of Iraqi lines in frog suits through that canal over there could add some exotism (is that a word?) to the game, and be better than simply adding more Western tanks or Iraqi infantry.

What say you?

I'll get involved in at least one of the battles, probably the japanse oneas either side

Hmmm, the situation is quite messy over there... I have to read it through few times before posting... and, btw, could it be possible for me to play those Polish SpecOps, GROM (Grupa Reagowania Operacyjno-Manewrowego), that were actually there when Basra was taken, instead of Republican Guard? I can see they are already represented, as are Delta Force, Marines, infantry and armoured forces, etc... I want to have something that isn't there yet, that others don't have, so a company of Polish Specialists making a tiny landing, or even swimming to the middle of Iraqi lines in frog suits through that canal over there could add some exotism (is that a word?) to the game, and be better than simply adding more Western tanks or Iraqi infantry.

What say you?

Sounds cool dude! Go for it!

@Bozaiiwaneia: Sure!


Also, thanks mate! I now know that the third RP will be the Kuril Islands invasion, since that one has the most votes in favor for its position.

look at you go :D

I'd be interested in getting involved - I certainly like the idea of playing a British CO during the Falklands and the Neo-Nazi fictional battle sounds quite interesting from either perspective. All the others sound good too. Count me in on the next one; I'll watch Al-Basra from the sidelines. :)

Battle of Mogadishu

Oh right!!!! I am definantly getting involved now if ye do go through with this, otherwise put me down for Falklands as the British...

Im RPing has a combat engineer company which is important in this battle.

Toop and Conniferus, welcome aboard mates :)

another guy intrested in the falklands and ammo hill in particular, but kukril islands looks interesting too.

another guy intrested in the falklands and ammo hill in particular, but kukril islands looks interesting too.

Cool. I'll write you all down. When these begin, I'll TG you all.

bump

you got a small part with not much lines to do
as you know got GF so got to half my time

you got a small part with not much lines to do
as you know got GF so got to half my time

And I'm engaged to be married chum, but it doesn't stop me posting :p

If a Falklands RP ever kicks off, then I'm up for playing the Argies.

And I'm engaged to be married chum, but it doesn't stop me posting :p

If a Falklands RP ever kicks off, then I'm up for playing the Argies.

we just started going out last week same week she got sick

And I'm engaged to be married chum, but it doesn't stop me posting :p

If a Falklands RP ever kicks off, then I'm up for playing the Argies.

Falklands will likely be third. Oakville comes next.

Oakville i know that name from some were

Falklands will likely be third. Oakville comes next.

I would like to be in the Falklands one.

Ooooh, if the battle for Oakland is gonna be next I'd liek put my name down, just cos I'm bored and need a fun shot... Put me down for the Nazi's, I'll watch American History X for some research :P

wandejar. im trying to start up a new 21-cish rp. its more focused on warfare, i really hope u and these guys can join.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12067466#post12067466

we just started going out last week same week she got sick

Well that's hard cheese, but at least you can look after her. Get used to being a willing slave, it's what male-female relationships are all about.

Wanderjar, I would like to participate in the Oakville RP. Seeing as though I RP a Nazi nation, it would make sense if I RP the Nazis. No-one RPs a Nazi like me :D

Well that's hard cheese, but at least you can look after her. Get used to being a willing slave, it's what male-female relationships are all about.

Wanderjar, I would like to participate in the Oakville RP. Seeing as though I RP a Nazi nation, it would make sense if I RP the Nazis. No-one RPs a Nazi like me :D

lot i have been but as i just said in NSG her ex back

Well that's hard cheese, but at least you can look after her. Get used to being a willing slave, it's what male-female relationships are all about.

Wanderjar, I would like to participate in the Oakville RP. Seeing as though I RP a Nazi nation, it would make sense if I RP the Nazis. No-one RPs a Nazi like me :D

Cool with me. :)

A little note for the country playing the Engineering platoon in Basra: If they aren't on the wrong side of the blown up bridge, then you've probably got an M-60A1 AVLB. It's a folding bridge that is fitted to an M-60 chassis and is currently in use with the United States Marines.

As an addenum for the Oakville scenario: The Armored Platoon would probably be made up of a number of M-60A1 Patton tanks, perhaps supported by M113s and infantry.

And after Basra... If we're going with the Falklands battle, I'd like to explore the possibility of being commander of the British support (Naval vessels and aircraft). For Oakland, if we do that, then I'd prefer U.S. infantry. And I think the Kurils were mentioned somewhere... for that, I'd probably want Russian troops, but I could play either side.

~ Ferrard

I just want to put out what teams I want for the next few battle
Oakville: US infantry, if possible I would like to just control some Heuye Gunships
Falkland: not sure yet, preferably Britain
The Kuril's: USSR all the way! I'd like a group of Spetznaz is that is Okay

i think i would like to get a slot in the Falkland ones, as commander of the naval forces.

ideally i'd like to be british, with a company, battalion of gurkhas but if it looks like too many cowboys and not enough indians argentinian air force/navy

ideally i'd like to be british, with a company, battalion of gurkhas but if it looks like too many cowboys and not enough indians argentinian air force/navy

Let me put it this way, coming from an Argentinian:

Argentinian Side: Lots of conscripts, tactical divers, Pucaras, Mirages, Exocets, some guns, FALs & FAPs.
Brits: Royal Marines, Ghurkas, Lots of ships, Subs, Artillery, Helicopters, Carriers, Harriers, FALs.

Mr. Cricket: Chirp... Chirp... Chirp...

Which scenario are we doing next? Anyone know?

~ Ferrard

Mr. Cricket: Chirp... Chirp... Chirp...

Which scenario are we doing next? Anyone know?

~ Ferrard

Oakville apparently.

Bump:

Alright. Al-Basra has died, so I guess we move on to Oakville? Or if you all would rather do Falkland Islands (or something else for that matter) then by all means tell me. Falklands and Oakville are getting pretty close in votes.

Bump:

Alright. Al-Basra has died, so I guess we move on to Oakville? Or if you all would rather do Falkland Islands (or something else for that matter) then by all means tell me. Falklands and Oakville are getting pretty close in votes.

The Question is, when I'm going to see the grand armies of Wanderjar in action again...

The Question is, when I'm going to see the grand armies of Wanderjar in action again...

Whenever I see a war worth fighting mate ;)

Whenever I see a war worth fighting mate ;)

Which should be in...*checks watch*...five minutes, I think.

~ Romandeos.

Whenever I see a war worth fighting mate ;)

Im being invaded...

Im being invaded...

......:mad:


Who needs to die?

I’d like to join if there is still some room.

Ideally I’d like to be a Company Commander or even a Battalion Commanding Officer for the Brits in the Falklands campaign.

If its Oakville I don’t mind what I’m given.

I’m actually a British Army officer cadet, so I’ve done this for real (in exercises) up to a Battalion deliberate attack, so hopefully I can bring some more realism to it.

falklands has got my vote

Well...now it looks like Falklands has the vote now. Therefore, within the next day or two: the Falkland Islands shall be invaded by the Argentinians ;)


Then we'll have Oakville. Everyone repost with your preferred nationality please, then we'll get this sorted out.

in order of preference

Brit -fleet commander
Brit - Commander, Air group

i think someone else has first claim on them though so....

if neither of them are free argentinian, air force or navy.

I'm trying to stick to infantry combat mate....would you mind being Royal Marines or some other form of landwarfare unit?

ok with infantry as long as i don't end up with a bunch of argentinian conscripts.

ok with infantry as long as i don't end up with a bunch of argentinian conscripts.

You cool with a battalion from 3 Commando? Her Majesty's Royal Marines?

i suppose they'll do :rolleyes:

i suppose they'll do :rolleyes:

Anything else you'd rather have (within landwarfare of course....)

i was just messing, there could be no finer troops to command.

i was just messing, there could be no finer troops to command.


Haha, yeah, its hard to read people's emotions via internet ;)


I'll begin getting the maps together.

SAS
Gurkha Rifles
Blues & Royals
Royal Artillery
Scots Guards
Royal Engineers
Royal Army Medical Corps
Welsh Guards
Parachute Regimant

All at Falklands

Anything, just give me details.

I would like to be the Royal Artillery please.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/Brit-units.htm

^^^ Brit Units

I'll like 2 Para please!

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/Brit-units.htm

^^^ Brit Units

I'll like 2 Para please!

Awsome


Members:

Britain

Achillean: 3 Commando Royal Marines Battallion
Candistan: Royal Artillery
PROHT: Scots Guards (Do me proud mate, I'm a Scotsman!)
Wintrees: 2 Para


Argentina

Wanderjar: Conscripts

*Reads Briish history*

2nd Btn Scots Guards (Lt-Col. Michael Scott)

Well now I'm getting somewhere...

Wait THE scots gaurds, the guy who recently charged some insurgent in Iraq, killing 35, capturing 9, and driving off the other 56, while only suffering 3 injured out of 20?

Oh, wrong unit...
http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/Bayonets.html
Iraq: May 2004
Land Rovers carrying 20 Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders come under attack on a highway near the city of Amara.
After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills. Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting.
When the fighting ended 35 enemy lay dead and nine were captured.

Still read the Tumbletown accounts...
Also learned I'm stuck with the FB-FAL, and L42A1 (modified SMLE)...
(dodged the SA-80 by 2 years! And the AWP by 3...

the article just above that is saying that the bullpup is useless in hand 2 hand, the post just below is about the sucessful use of a bullpup weapon in hand to hand?

the article just above that is saying that the bullpup is useless in hand 2 hand, the post just below is about the sucessful use of a bullpup weapon in hand to hand?

The SA-80 is no longer in British service, it has been replaced with an improved L85.
And oddly, the quote is from the link... (page-down to the end)
The link was to a scrapboard/forum, and they appear to have been written by two different people.

Pretty much it is like comparing the M16 to the M16A4... Not much different from appearance, but much better perfrmance and relaibility. (Bolt assist, reduced full auto rate of fire, chromed chamber, better stock and muzzle brake, counterwieghts, improved sight rail, more reliable ammunition standards)

Summary, in 2000-2002 the british had H&K 'Pimp out" their service rifle...
What else would you expect?

Plus, there is a big difference between a company of Argentinian Marines and some punky insurgents in Iraq...

The SA-80 is no longer in British service.
And oddly, the quote is from the link... (page-down to the end)
The link was to a scrapboard/forum, and they appear to have ben written by two different people.

be fore-warned. members of the british armed forces and her majesties Ministry of Defense may disagree with you on this.

EDIT:the argyll and sutherland highlanders are barracked just up the road from where i live.

be fore-warned. members of the british armed forces and her majesties Ministry of Defense may disagree with you on this.

EDIT:the argyll and sutherland highlanders are barracked just up the road from where i live.

My knowledge of British weapons is rather, lacking... Being I'm a rather 'behind the times' American...
So I'll accept that I'm most likely mistaken on there being any difference between the L85A1 and L85A2...

your first post was that the sa-80 had been withdrawn from service, that was what i was protesting about. its been upgraded thats true. L85 and SA80 are often used interchangably, hence the confusion.

your first post was that the sa-80 had been withdrawn from service, that was what i was protesting about. its been upgraded thats true. L85 and SA80 are often used interchangably, hence the confusion.

I actually believed that the SA-80 and L85A1 were different rifles within the same family...
(Like comparing Colt M-4A1 carbine to the M-16A4 and SR-25 rifles)

Since SA-80 reffered mostly to the 7 mm version while the L85 reffered to the 5.56 NATO...

And I thought keeping track of the "big 5" NS assault rifles was going to be difficult...
(Carbandian CAR-05 Wyrvern, Otagian M-26/M-25/M-22, M-16A#, and AK-somethingorother)

[Plus I was almost certain that the British adopted either the AR-18 or SAR-80/88 from Stirling Arms...]

my understanding is that SA-80 is the family name, l85 is iw
l86 is the light suport and L-22 is the carbine all of which are members of the SA-80 family.

Also The next RP will be the Falklands Conflict and if you want to join up this is the thread to post in.

my understanding is that SA-80 is the family name, l85 is iw
l86 is the light suport and L-22 is the carbine all of which are members of the SA-80 family.

Also The next RP will be the Falklands Conflict and if you want to join up this is the thread to post in.

Why do you think I posted questions about the Scots Gaurds 2nd Battalion?
And whether they used the FN FAL or the L85A1 or other?

FN Fal, though it was called the SLR (self loading rifle)

i also remember there was a documentary where one of them said they decided to attack in berets instead of helmets as a recognition signal at night.

ok from what i go in front of me

British Infantry weapons

84mm Carl Gustav MAW
66mm M72A1 LAW
7.62mm L7A2 GPMG
7.62mm L4A2 LMG
9mm L2A3 SMG
7.62mm L1A1 SLR
9mm Browning Pistol
7.62mm L42A1 Sniper's Rifle

I'm pretty sure that there were no SA-80s in the Falklands, (IW or LSW or indeed the Cadet GP, Stubby K's are just coming into service in the 00's, so none of them either :)). It was still in the development/proofing stage at that point.

No worries though! The SLR is a sexy rifle, and practically suited to the terrain in the Falklands (so don't play it down to much). The only down side is that it was single shot only.

ok from what i go in front of me

British Infantry weapons

84mm Carl Gustav MAW (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl10-e.htm)
66mm M72A1 LAW*
7.62mm L7A2 GPMG (FN MAG/M-240 (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg06-e.htm))
7.62mm L4A2 LMG (BREN chambered for .308 (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg10-e.htm))
9mm L2A3 SMG (Sterling (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg28-e.htm))
7.62mm L1A1 SLR (Semi-auto only - FN FAL (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24f-e.htm))
9mm Browning Pistol (The Browning Hi-Power (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg17-e.htm))
7.62mm L42A1 Sniper's Rifle (SMLE No. 4 Mk 2 /w/ scope and rechambered gfor 7.62 NATO)

*The British Army used the Norwegian built version of the M72 under the designation "Rocket 66mm HEAT L1A1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M72_LAW)" which was replaced by LAW 80. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAW_80)
I find it odd that the magazine uses British terminology for all but one of the weapons...

Argentine Infantry weapons

0.5in M2 Browning MG
7.62mm Argentine-built FN MAG MG
7.62mm Argentine-built FN 50-41 LMG
7.62mm Argentine-built FN 50-61 AR
7.62mm Mauser Sniper's Rifle
9mm Browning Automatic Pistol
9mm PA2-DM Submachine Gun
0.45in M3A1 Submachine Gun

British Infantry weapons
9mm Browning Pistol (The Browning Hi-Power)
7.62mm L42A1 Sniper's Rifle (SMLE No. 4 Mk 2 /w/ scope and rechambered gfor 7.62 NATO)

The Falklands War Mag i got don't say that,it just says what i posted

got any word on armour? body armour anyway.

The Falklands War Mag i got don't say that,it just says what i posted

I'm using knowledge of what the UK adopted them as.

I'm using knowledge of what the UK adopted them as.

ok i see guess which one is the Bren

got any word on armour? body armour anyway.

body armour still looking

but armour UK did have the Scorpion tank

ok i see guess which one is the Bren

Found it...
Also added links...

British Infantry weapons

84mm Carl Gustav MAW (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl10-e.htm)
66mm M72A1 LAW*
7.62mm L7A2 GPMG (FN MAG/M-240 (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg06-e.htm))
7.62mm L4A2 LMG (BREN chambered for .308 (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg10-e.htm))
9mm L2A3 SMG (Sterling (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg28-e.htm))
7.62mm L1A1 SLR (Semi-auto only - FN FAL (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24f-e.htm))
9mm Browning Pistol (The Browning Hi-Power (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg17-e.htm))
7.62mm L42A1 Sniper's Rifle (SMLE No. 4 Mk 2 /w/ scope and rechambered gfor 7.62 NATO)

*The British Army used the Norwegian built version of the M72 under the designation "Rocket 66mm HEAT L1A1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M72_LAW)" which was replaced by LAW 80. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAW_80)
I find it odd that the magazine uses British terminology for all but one of the weapons...

nice
it is a British a magazine

No body armour for the Brits. At the time they are still using 1958 pattern webbing and helmets vintage world war 2 (shortly after anyway).

The most hi-tech thing they have at this point is basic nightsights.

Falklands really was a old school "fix bayonets, bags of smoke and get stuck in" kind of warfare.

Yippee! A WW2 thread w/o WW2!


LAW 80
Entered British service in 1987 replacing the L14A1 84 mm Carl Gustav recoilless rifle and M72 Light Anti-Tank Weapon (Rocket 66mm HEAT L1A1) anti-tank weapons. It is currently being replaced by the L2A1 Interim Light Anti-tank Weapon (ILAW), which in turn will be replaced by the Next-generation Light Anti-tank Weapon (MBT LAW).

My knowledge of British weapons is rather, lacking... Being I'm a rather 'behind the times' American...
So I'll accept that I'm most likely mistaken on there being any difference between the L85A1 and L85A2...

....as far as I was aware, there is very little aside from an improved sight....

I dunno if you're taking on more people, but do you mind if I join this roleplay series?

I dunno if you're taking on more people, but do you mind if I join this roleplay series?


Absolutely! Which side do you want to be on (for the Falkland Islands campaign?)

Absolutely! Which side do you want to be on (for the Falkland Islands campaign?)

Thanks.

I'd like to be on the Argentinian side if this is acceptable?