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WOAH dude seriously do you have go that far I mean it was not a bright idea agreed. But I aint gonna do it again and you might need me for an Millitary Action or something.....C'mon its all good

WOAH dude seriously do you have go that far I mean it was not a bright idea agreed. But I aint gonna do it again and you might need me for an Millitary Action or something.....C'mon its all good

OOC: Anyone starts messing with you, call us up.

Naasha reccomends that Yume Sekai and Duckquackmuse be accepted into the NEA, on a short term probation at first and then accepted as full members. We would however require that Duckquackmuse did not become a member of the NEAMC, due to the sensitive information that would then be available.

We feel that if Duckquackmuse were to provide a guarantee that Dominion military units were not allowed access to their nation, and that control of their WMD arsenal, if they choose to develop one, is ceded to the NEAMC instead of the Dominion as is customary with that alliance then we would be prepared to accept them as NEAMC members also.

Duckquackmuse joined up with the first group to come along and threaten us. We don't need them.

We have no problem with any of the nations that joined the Dominion Commonwealth before or after the Clandonia Prime crisis. NEA nations should be free to pursue other alliances. We are only bothered by Duckquackmuse joining the Dominion Commonwealth while they were actively threatening three of our members.

OOC: The DC never threaten anybody, it was CP that was doing that. Get that through your head!!! STOP LIEING!!!

We feel that if Duckquackmuse were to provide a guarantee that Dominion military units were not allowed access to their nation, and that control of their WMD arsenal, if they choose to develop one, is ceded to the NEAMC instead of the Dominion as is customary with that alliance then we would be prepared to accept them as NEAMC members also.

OOC: So if Duck is invade by one of you or somebody else, you saying that I can’t bring soldiers or bombers in to help. That one thing is another bully action and makes no bloody sense because that s what the DC was made for. To protect the little nations within it.

As a gesture of goodwill, Ackistan endorses all the current nations represented at this conference. We have been in contact with the Dartian government, and have pursuaded them to do the same.

We will sign the treaty.

OOC: Off the record, Ackistan previously ceded control of our WMD's to the NTDA alliance.

By the way, non members and validating members wont be able to see most of the forums.

OOC: The DC never threaten anybody, it was CP that was doing that. Get that through your head!!! STOP LIEING!!!

The Dominion Commonwealth nevertheless backs up the threatening actions taken by individual members by making it clear that they will intervene in any actions that are provoked by their member's threats.



OOC: So if Duck is invade by one of you or somebody else, you saying that I can’t bring soldiers or bombers in to help. That one thing is another bully action and makes no bloody sense because that s what the DC was made for. To protect the little nations within it.

Duckquackmuse would not be invaded by the NEA even if they chose to stay out of the alliance because we are not warmongers. Outside threats could be dealt with by an NEAMC response, which would save the commonwealth time and effort, if necessary we could consider asking the commonwealth for aid if the threat against Duckquackmuse was large enough to overwhelm our defenses also.

I proposed these measures because of Clandonia's previous attempts to establish footholds in Nova Europa, and not out of any form of malice or ill-intention toward Duckquackmuse.

The Dominion Commonwealth nevertheless backs up the threatening actions taken by individual members by making it clear that they will intervene in any actions that are provoked by their member's threats.

OOC: I never backed up or the others backed up any of those threats. Stop lying. Please look back and you will see the light. And you have no idea what any of the DC members were going to do because your not in the DC, meaning you’re out of the loop and only know OOCly what we were going to do.

Duckquackmuse would not be invaded by the NEA even if they chose to stay out of the alliance because we are not warmongers. Outside threats could be dealt with by an NEAMC response, which would save the commonwealth time and effort, if necessary we could consider asking the commonwealth for aid if the threat against Duckquackmuse was large enough to overwhelm our defenses also.

OOC: And you not allowing Dominion military units into a Commonwealth state, means the eight Devil’s Guards that guard the live of the Lord Governor will not be allowed to enter because they are classified as a military unit.

And me not have control over Duck’s WMD arsenal is bull crap. Each member’s WMD arsenal is under my control because I will have all call on when it is used.

Transy, just go away. Please. For one, none of us want this thread to turn into yet another argument, and two, you really shouldn't be here anyway.

OOC: I never backed up or the others backed up any of those threats. Stop lying. Please look back and you will see the light. And you have no idea what any of the DC members were going to do because your not in the DC, meaning you’re out of the loop and only know OOCly what we were going to do.

I merely mean that Clandonia is under your protection and whenever his actions have brought him under fire from the international community you have made it clear you will defend him, this effectively shields him from whatever enemies he continuously makes.

OOC: And you not allowing Dominion military units into a Commonwealth state, means the eight Devil’s Guards that guard the live of the Lord Governor will not be allowed to enter because they are classified as a military unit.

I was far more concerned with the bigger picture, as Nova Europa, well Naasha as a Nova Europan state at least, would not be comfortable with a significant Dominion presence on the continent.

And me not have control over Duck’s WMD arsenal is bull crap. Each member’s WMD arsenal is under my control because I will have all call on when it is used.

That was exactly my point! That Duckquackmuse ceded control to the NEAMC instead, it was simply another way of restricting them and encouraging them to leave the Dominion.

Please stop getting so offended at clearly IC posts which of course are going to be aimed at undermining the Dominion.

OOC: All of you are doing is pissing me off. All you are doing is trying to bully people, in which I never did. I see why CP wanted to fight you because they just try to bad mouth people. This is not an alliance, it’s a whatever he say, you got to do.

If Duck wants to stay in the DC, then she can because it is her choice. Not your choice or any of the others.

Unlike what you guys think, I'm not going to use the WMD arsenals as first strike. I see them as cheater weapons.

And meaning defending CP is different then be helping CP. Anybody that tries to invade a Commonwealth stare will have to deal with me. It’s a brotherhood and a sisterhood. Brothers take care of each other. Get that through your heads. Now, will you stop lying and bully people because all it’s does it make people hate you.

OOC: All of you are doing is pissing me off. All you are doing is trying to bully people, in which I never did. I see why CP wanted to fight you because they just try to bad mouth people. This is not an alliance, it’s a whatever he say, you got to do.

If Duck wants to stay in the DC, then she can because it is her choice.

And meaning defending CP is different then be helping CP. Anybody that tries to invade a Commonwealth stare will have to deal with me. It’s a brotherhood and a sisterhood. Brothers take care of each other. Get that through your heads. Now, will you stop lying and bully people because all it’s does it make people hate you.

Why dont you just shut up and leave us in peace?

Well said. And for once listen to me Trans, all of that statement originally was IC.

Which means I AM bullying Duckquackmuse, I DO think you'd use WMDs and I DO bend the truth in order to make a point. If you get offended by in-character remarks then I suggest you take a break for a while.

Why dont you just shut up and leave us in peace?

OOC: BECAUSE YOU’RE BAD MOUTHING ME! THE DC IS BROTHERHOOD AND YOU’RE BAD MOUTHING IT. In real life, I could sue y’all for slander. And from the looks of it, y’all area bunch of bullies, too.

Well said. And for once listen to me Trans, all of that statement originally was IC.

Which means I AM bullying Duckquackmuse, I DO think you'd use WMDs and I DO bend the truth in order to make a point. If you get offended by in-character remarks then I suggest you take a break for a while.

OOC: Dude, I never used a bloody WMD. Please try again. I do bloody know that the statement was IC. That is why I said OOC. Y’all are all just showing your true colors as bullies and liars.

OOC: BECAUSE YOU’RE BAD MOUTHING ME! THE DC IS BROTHERHOOD AND YOU’RE BAD MOUTHING IT. In real life, I could sue y’all for slander. And from the looks of it, y’all area bunch of bullies, too.

For Pete's sake, its just IC Propaganda, get over it!

OOC: Dude, I never used a bloody WMD. Please try again. I do bloody know that the statement was IC. That is why I said OOC. Y’all are all just showing your true colors as bullies and liars.

I'm sorry but STOP LYING YOU'RE BAD MOUTHING ME!!!!!

*Starts flinging various toys out of his pram*

I never-ever mentioned OOCly you used a WMD, I made one reference to your control over member's arsenals ICly, the rest is your misinterpretation (sp?).

OOC: I hate bullies and if Duck leaves the DC because of y’all see her as a traitor, I will hate y’all more OOCly. I would like you all to stop the IC Propaganda because you don’t see or any of the other running around doing anti-anti Nova Europa IC Propaganda. Please act right?

Actually Clandonia embarked on a lengthy anti Naasha and then later anti Nova Europa propaganda campaign, which was tolerated because it was all IC, please remember that, In Character, key word here.

Duck is seen as a traitor IC'ly, and IC'ly the DC is viewed suspiciously, hence we try to intimidate them out of it.

Similarly in RL, the People's Republic of China used propaganda and subtle threats to alienate Taiwan, making many organisations actually no longer recognise Taiwan as a nation.

OOC: Kick out Duck then you have to kick another one. Then the other will start leaving. The DC is to make small nation stronger. And if you want a propaganda war, I will give you one. You want to play with the me? I know how to turn the world against you all. But do I want to? No, because I don’t want to get down to your levels of being nothing but lying snakes.

I think it best that we all cool it, Transy leaves the thread and we drink ourselfs silly :)

Please, turn the world against me, I'd love to see it.

Seriously, I'm taking a break now and I think you should too, this has flared up over something completely IC.

I think it best that we all cool it, Transy leaves the thread and we drink ourselfs silly :)

OOC: It’s Trans. If y’all want to be snakes, be snakes. I done with y’all. But here is a warning, you insult the Dominion, you insult Gholgoth. Take that as a good warning.

And killing POW will turn the world again, Naasha. That is frowned down on in the civilized world.

If your done. Then be done and leave us alone

you insult the Dominion, you insult Gholgoth. Take that as a good warning.

Who is making threats now, hmmm?

Hey guys, check our regional message board. I have something to ask you.

Who is making threats now, hmmm?

OOC: That’s a warning. I don’t need to made up a reason to attack you. I see you as a threat to the peace in Nova Europa. Blackhelm’s going to come back and get you.

We'll be waiting.

OOC: That’s a warning. I don’t need to made up a reason to attack you. I see you as a threat to the peace in Nova Europa. Blackhelm’s going to come back and get you.

OOC: Stop hating for OOC reasons. Go away. Seriously. You have overstayed your welcome in this thread by a lot.

OOC: Stop hating for OOC reasons. Go away. Seriously. You have overstayed your welcome in this thread by a lot.

OOC: He was talking to me, so I answered him like a nice person would do. And Ack, from the last thing you pulled, well I'm jsut waiting until you try it again. Y’all see Duck and any other DC members as traitors, I see y‘all as a threat to the safety of the world.

That’s all, folks!!!

It'd better be. Good-bye.

OOC: That’s a warning. I don’t need to made up a reason to attack you. I see you as a threat to the peace in Nova Europa. Blackhelm’s going to come back and get you.

Dude, guess what, you're not in Nova Europa, you dont have any right to intervene any country to set "peace" to the region, I dont care if you see me as a threat or not. I just know that if you ever try to set a military in any of us, the world will hate you for it and we'll fight to the last man.
And that was OOC.

At least hes gone now TWSP, but...Now what? LOL

*groan* I can't leave this alone for a day, can I?

This will be very brief, very OOC and VERY UNPLEASANT:

Nobody is permitted to insult, ban, or otherwise disrespect members of this continent who decide to be part of other alliances as well! This is against the spirit of the alliance I envisioned and is most uncivil. If I catch ANYONE picking on Duckquackmuse, Yume Sekai, or Wanderjar just because they're part of the DC I will call for their expulsion, is this clear?

I will post more later. Work now.

*groan* I can't leave this alone for a day, can I?

This will be very brief, very OOC and VERY UNPLEASANT:

Nobody is permitted to insult, ban, or otherwise disrespect members of this continent who decide to be part of other alliances as well! This is against the spirit of the alliance I envisioned and is most uncivil. If I catch ANYONE picking on Duckquackmuse, Yume Sekai, or Wanderjar just because they're part of the DC I will call for their expulsion, is this clear?

I will post more later. Work now.

Im not picking on them, Im just saying that since some of them are part of the DC, they should be kept from getting info (specially technologies, deployements, troops numbers and the likes) by not being allowed into the NEAMC High Command. This being my IC argument, OOCily, I have nothing against them.

I agree with TWSP if for no other reason than I don't want to be the only one in the alliance doghouse ;)

Seriously, Ackistan is in favor of putting the DC nastiness behind us. Most of the nations in that alliance are decent enough. Our better behaved neighbors shouldn't be found guilty by association in my opinion.

Then again, my government owes TWSP a favor or two. If TWSP feels strongly about this, we will fall in line with their opinion.

I agree with TWSP if for no other reason than I don't want to be the only one in the alliance doghouse ;)

Seriously, Ackistan is in favor of putting the DC nastiness behind us. Most of the nations in that alliance are decent enough. Our better behaved neighbors shouldn't be found guilty by association in my opinion.

Then again, my government owes TWSP a favor or two. If TWSP feels strongly about this, we will fall in line with their opinion.

*Thumbs up for Ackistan* :D

As a gesture of goodwill, Ackistan endorses all the current nations represented at this conference. We have been in contact with the Dartian government, and have pursuaded them to do the same.

We will sign the treaty.

OOC: Off the record, Ackistan previously ceded control of our WMD's to the NTDA alliance.


OOC: I agreed to that under duress! I was trying to watch football.

Are we officially an alliance now? Lets just let bygones be bygones and get the show on the road.

You guys are ok to share tech and stuff with me as Im not in DC anymore....Thats what ya get for having a veiw

You guys are ok to share tech and stuff with me as Im not in DC anymore....Thats what ya get for having a veiw

But you were, thus, ICily, we cant trust you.

As the one singled out by Transylvania for picking on Duckquackmuse I'd like to add that my views and comments are entirely in-character.

Thanks.

Considering our national motto is "Forgive & Forget", you can probably guess Tranquility Island's position in this debate.

The debacle with Clandonia Prime is over. It is time to move on to bigger and better things.

OOC: I just bought some stuff Ackistan's storefront so I can help out next time we get in a pinch.

2 Mercy Class Hospital Ships - $700,000,000
2 Safeguard Class Rescue and Salvage Ships - $400,000,000
2 Bob Hope Class Sealift Ships - $440,000,000
10 Globemaster III Transports - $600,000,000
100 AMTV Armored Medical Treatment Vehicles - $67,500,000
4 Modular Decontamination Thingies - $100,000
100 Universal Carriers $9,000,000
200 M939 5 Ton Trucks - $13,000,000

Now I just need to figure out who is going to drive, sail, and fly all those things.

Okay TWSP, I can understand your reasoning, although, I would like to add that if we follow this logic, other nations would also have to be left out of NEAMC HQ - after all, one could argue, we might find ourselves in a tiff with, say, GASN.

Guys, really, this is intended to be an inclusive and defensive alliance. Remember the original model of NORAD - Canada and the US are also members of NATO, and the UN. Canada is a member of the British Commonwealth as well. It is concievable that those alliances could be at odds with each other, but you don't see, for example, the US bullying Canada just because Canada could concievably pass on stuff to the Commonwealth...

If we make some members be outside the NEA military structure, than why are they here? We're trying to protect the continent - not just bits and pieces. So we'll have to trust the DC members on our soil that they won't betray us just as they have to trust us. And if the NEA can do a good job of protecting them, than the DC - or other alliances for that matter - won't have to spend so much time and effort trying to keep an eye on us or protecting their members here. Potentially, it's a win-win situation.

So please - no more issues - IC or OOC. Let's all try to make this work, okay?

Back to work...

But you were, thus, ICily, we cant trust you.

OOC: This will maybe my only post here and on II for the time on, but I want to tell you the truth. Yume was not a member if the DC. He need wrote a message to Lord Paris. So, it was never made official. So, you can trust him.

Later, Europans!

OOC: Well now, since that settles that, lets all go back to our normal lives. Where we all secretly are suspicious of two members of our Alliance.
Note: I am not suspicious of Wanderjar at all. Granatian and Wanderjarian Relations have almost always been good.

Good. Thank you all for making your stances known. I think we can work with this.

It was mentioned earlier that we should abide by the Geneva Conventions. I'm in full agreement with this - if nobody objects, I'll add that as an extra article in Chapter 1.

I'm going to take a second to tally up signatures gained thus far. Let's see if we can get this ratified on the first go!

Good. Thank you all for making your stances known. I think we can work with this.

It was mentioned earlier that we should abide by the Geneva Conventions. I'm in full agreement with this - if nobody objects, I'll add that as an extra article in Chapter 1.

I'm going to take a second to tally up signatures gained thus far. Let's see if we can get this ratified on the first go!

Sure, why not, TG it to me after you do all the addings so I can correct the version we have posted over at the NEA Forums.

signatures obtained:
The World Soviet Party
Granate
Tranquility Island
Yume Sekai
Duckquackmuse
Ackistan
*added 11/21:*
Naasha
Ezaltia
Wanderjar (?)
Trivalvia
North Tolemac (?)
Dartia
*Those with a (?) by their names may have signed... please post a correction if this is not so!*

Naasha: 2 delegates or representatives from each member-nation. While I didn't put this in the Charter, because it's an RP issue, keep in mind that your delegates can "split" their vote, i.e. one delegate could vote 'for' and one can vote 'against' or one can abstain, etc. You can use this as a means of registering your enthusiasm - or concern - about a resolution or other decision up for vote.

Duckquackmuse - sure, everyone can send in their candidates. The Secretary-General is another RP issue. He/she is the "face" of the NEA, and not a true absolute ruler. All I ask is that each candidate has a short bio to describe them. Also, yes: we'll have a media event for the final signing. I would like to ask all signatories to provide a name and title for the people actually signing - it could be ambassadors, foriegn-affairs ministers, secretaries of state, governor generals, or even your heads of state - presidents, kings, prime ministers, etc.

I'd better see about getting into the private forums as well...

The UNNS will sign on behalf on Naasha (and Surdun, although we recognise that counts for little).

OOC: The Geneva convention and I do not get along, nevertheless, this is Naasha's 'good face'.

I'll sign too.

signatures obtained:
The World Soviet Party
Granate
Tranquility Island
Yume Sekai
Duckquackmuse
Ackistan

I'll have to look again, but I think Wanderjar and North Tolemac aslo agreed to the treaty.

I am also assuming Trivalvia will sign the charter too?

If you didn't know, the Republican Monarchy of Granate (Me, yay!) has joined another alliance. This one is for Imperial Countries that have sovereigns like mine.

Whoops, I missed those. And yes, Trivalvia's going to sign as well :)

Whoops, I missed those. And yes, Trivalvia's going to sign as well :)

I read through some more posts and saw that Naasha and Ezaltia are in too.

We are missing Dartia and Gardeva. Is Gardeva joining?

I'll sign

It looks like things are heating up between CA and GASN. If the situation escalates into a fighting war, I think we should do what we can to support GASN. As a GASN member, I am biased of course. However, we do have a number of enemies in common. If we help them now, they might help us someday if we need it.

Even if we don't officially help, I think we ought to do something unofficially.

I'm against confict for now but if the majority voted for then I'd help

It looks like things are heating up between CA and GASN. If the situation escalates into a fighting war, I think we should do what we can to support GASN. As a GASN member, I am biased of course. However, we do have a number of enemies in common. If we help them now, they might help us someday if we need it.

Even if we don't officially help, I think we ought to do something unofficially.

I'll have to think about that. I've had pretty good relations with CA in the past, but I am not sure if that is still the case now that CP has joined.

I'd be supporting the GASN unofficially, although my people will be a little mistrustful of Cravan.

It looks like things are heating up between CA and GASN. If the situation escalates into a fighting war, I think we should do what we can to support GASN. As a GASN member, I am biased of course. However, we do have a number of enemies in common. If we help them now, they might help us someday if we need it.

Even if we don't officially help, I think we ought to do something unofficially.


I don't think we should get involved in their conflicts, certainly not as a whole continent. We all got angry when Clandonia started proclaimeing that he was going to make our region peaceful, so I don't think we should start trying to get involved in a war ourselves.

Well the problem would arise in that with three GASN nations here, we may face a CA invasion.

Well the problem would arise in that with three GASN nations here, we may face a CA invasion.

I suppose, but I take it they would only attack the GASN nations?

And have I been excluded from joining the NEAMC because of my DC alliance?

I suppose, but I take it they would only attack the GASN nations?

And have I been excluded from joining the NEAMC because of my DC alliance?

I don't believe you have.

I've posted something similar as a brief intrusion on the Dominion Commonwealth thread, but let me assure you, Duckquackmuse, that you will not be excluded. You're a member nation and as such you have as much right to participate in NEA military actions as anyone. This means access to the NEAMC.

For those who have issues about security, please remember that - ICly - any *individual*, regardless of what nation he/she hails from, who is employed at any of the NEAMC headquarters will naturally have to go through a security check. Spies can come from any nation, politics notwithstanding. You can also take that to mean that any nation can set up an OOC "deal" with an "enemy" nation to RP a spy. If you're going to RP a spy though, as a courtesy, please inform the rest of us as an OOC notice, indicating limits, when you expect the spy to be caught, etc, so that it doesn't lead to OOC recriminations. Let's give any war RPs we do a little extra flavour and depth. :)

I've posted something similar as a brief intrusion on the Dominion Commonwealth thread, but let me assure you, Duckquackmuse, that you will not be excluded. You're a member nation and as such you have as much right to participate in NEA military actions as anyone. This means access to the NEAMC.

OOC: It doesn't matter anymore because a letter has been sent out to the Domminon Commenwealth my reasons for leaving the alliance.

The Free Land of Dartia demands leadership of this alliance be established before Operation Mystic Tiger commences. We are mortified that some of you would join Clandonia Prime in a military operation, and we want that ridiculous notion nipped in the butt immediately.

The Free Land of Dartia demands leadership of this alliance be established before Operation Mystic Tiger commences. We are mortified that some of you would join Clandonia Prime in a military operation, and we want that ridiculous notion nipped in the butt immediately.

I must agree with you, lets keep this GASN-NEA, no DC involved, or at least, not Clandonia.

Wanderjar, you must understand that ICily, our countries (hile not hating them) clearly dislike the DC and its members, and would never ever work with one of them.

Well, I may not trust the DC ICly, but I also realize that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Besides, if CP tries anything, we have a legitimate reason to go after him.

I must agree with you, lets keep this GASN-NEA, no DC involved, or at least, not Clandonia.

Wanderjar, you must understand that ICily, our countries (hile not hating them) clearly dislike the DC and its members, and would never ever work with one of them.

OOC: If you dislike the DC and its members, you dislike Wanderjar as he was one of our first members. Strange?

OOC: ICly and OOCly Granate doesn't care about the DC. We don't care about GASN or CA. All we care about is the Grand Imperial Alliance and the NEA to an extent. Also, Wanderjarian and Granatian relations have always been good. I just wish other nations would do so as well.

As a part of Nova Europa, Terror Incognitia would like to petition to join the NEA.

We have fully understood all parts of the charter, and are prepared to accept all the commitments, duties and responsibilities therein.

(OOC: Beautifully drafted agreement, by the way).

OOC: Wow, that's one hell of a bump.

IC: The Principality of Ezaltia sees has no objection to Icognita's request.

OOC again: We really need to update the map. Trivalvia, Greater Morocco, Chrisakstan, and Sovistan no longer exist.

I miss Trivalvia. :(

*takes a long run up and boots the thread back up onto the front page*

Trivalvia is back at least, and we need a new map.