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Reference threads:
Europe Land Claims Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=503964) - for a list of those who are invited.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11858153&postcount=43 - President MacKensie's address where the conference is first proposed.

The Government of Trivalvia invites all nations on this continent to send representatives to a conference in the city of Sussex, to discuss the possibility of formation of a Continental Defense Command.

Agenda:

1. Current Threats to the Continent and the Mandate of the proposed defense command.
(or - why we should try this)

2. Authority of the proposed Continental Defense Command
(what branches of the military should the command have sway over, and what threats it should respond to. Also: what the command should NOT have authority to do).

3. Interaction with existing alliances
(many nations on this continent are already members of other alliances - GASN, Dominion Commonwealth, etc. Since the proposed defense command is not intended to be an alliance like these, but rather more a coordinated command structure to respond to outside threats, this part of the agenda will iron out how the defense command can assist the larger alliances and how to deal with conflict of interests. I don't want to force nations to choose between alliances they are part of, and the defense of this continent.

We will also discuss here how this command will deal with nations on the continent that decide not to participate)

4. Structuring of the proposed Continental Defense Command
(now we get to details: where headquarters will be located, what and how much each member nation can contribute - manpower, ships and planes, money, bases, etc. Also: how power is shared, what new facilities should be built (radar stations, satellite networks, etc), how to deal with member nations not contributing their promised share, and response protocols depending on the level of threat / attack).

5. Restrictions on / Use of Nuclear and orbital weapons.
(This could be a tough one - some of our member states have nukes and/or orbital weapon systems. Here we will hammer out when or if the Continental Defense Command will have access to and authority over such arsenals. Trivalvia's position is to remain "nuke-free" wherever possible, BTW).

The intention of this command is a little like NORAD is in RL North America, so I do not envision this leading to pre-emptive strikes or offensive actions. This is intended to be defensive ONLY.

TO NATIONS OUTSIDE THIS CONTINENT: this will be a "closed door" conference (secret in character), but there will be occasional press releases and a press conference after the details are hammered out, at which time international new agencies can submit questions to be answered. One question per news agency/nation, please and wait until the press conference is announced and the call for questions given.

Security will be tight at this conference - news agencies broadcasting "closed door" details will be accused of espionage and will be barred from the official conference - their crews at the conference will be arrested pending extradition/trial.

This is going to be "fluid time", and the posting will be fairly informal - I won't ask people to RP conversations as that will probably take too long. I'll wait a day for the affected nations to say if they're attending, then kick things off by posting the Trivalvian proposal (which will essentially cover all five items on the agenda), and then the other nations can pitch in with changes, objections, queries and concerns, etc.

Secret Diplomatic Communique
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To: Trivalvia
From: TWSP

The World Soviet Party will gladly send a delegate to this meeting, he shall arrive shortly at Sussex's international airport, and we'd like to request an armed escort for him and his companions.

OOC: I am invited? :=p

OOC: No you're not, as you are not officially part of the continent. Although your actions ARE part of the reason why this conference is being called... :p

OOC: Civil violence and regime change whatnot aside, Naasha is on the continent and is similarly mistrustful of Clandonia Prime after it's use of orbital weapons on us. Ackistan also has a stake in my nation. So, I'm in, but until my revolutions etc are done then all my posts are entirely theoretical and I'm not technically a member. Sorry about all that. I hope it's acceptable.

Not a problem, Naasha - under part 4 of the agenda we hope to structure things so that nations will never have to contribute more than they're capable of.

North Tolemac will send our top diplomat.

Good day.

- Henry Logan
Foreign Affairs

Greetings from the Republic of Ackistan!

It goes without saying that our nation will send a delegation to this conference. In fact, we were in the process of organizing something similar ourselves, but with a greater emphasis on trade. We look forward to hearing what your nations have to say.

Best wishes,
Angelina Whittaker
Secretary of State

OOC: I sent telegrams to the nations that haven't posted in this thread yet just to make sure they didn't overlook it.

From The Office of Nico Larazles

We thank you for your invite this conference, We will glady attend as we feel that it would be a big step towards a brighter future for us all, We will send a Diplomat shortly

Nico Larazles

Yume Sekai President

OOC: I believe I first suggested this in the Hataria thread?

Official Statement from The Free Land of Dartia

Dartian diplomats will attend this conference. We look forward to discussing Trivalvia's proposals, and hope we can all emerge from these negotiations stronger and safer.

Official Statement by The Most Serene Republic of Tranquility Island


What a marvelous idea! We will send a delegation right away.

We should warn you that we are pacifists. We have no army, police force, or prisons. We do have a great deal of delightful tourist attractions though.

We are trying to build a utopian society, so weapons aren't welcome in our country. However, if placing a few radar and sonar stations in our territory would help keep everyone safer, we don't see the harm in that.

We do request permission to invite Chellis to this conference. Their military base on our island is the only protection we have.

Peace be with you!

Ezaltia will be sending a delegate to this meeting. Are there any restrictions on transportion, e.g. aircraft size?

Thanks to all of those who have responded. I believe we're still waiting for Wanderjar to attend, but we have enough nations to begin, I think.


@ Yume Sekai - Not sure I know the thread you're talking about. Link?

@ Ezaltia - I don't think there's any transportation restrictions... but I will draw the line at pure "my plane is bigger than yours" nonsense. In any event, it's an academic issue - I'm keeping things fluid and informal so we won't be RP'ing people arriving, meeting, and kibitizing. Sorry - it's just that I am faced with some big issues IRL and hence cannot afford to devote time to a truly immersive RP for now.

@ Tranquillity Island - I can understand your position, although looking at the map Ackistan has put together makes me wonder if your nation would be a concern. It's something we can discuss when we're hammering out the mandate and authority of this organization.

About Chellis, though... to my knowledge that nation has no home territories or colonies on this continent... I do not think it would be wise to have him present at this conference.


Security Arrangements are being provided by the Trivalvian Federal Police. A two-block buffer zone has been set up around the conference center, inside which only TFP officers, national and international press, and conference delegates will be permitted. Bug-sniffers will be employed on a daily basis and weapon scanners (think what is currently employed in airports) will be at all entrances.

Now to the matter at hand.

Current Threats and Proposed Mandate

This conference is being held in the wake of Clandonia Prime's threatened use of nuclear arms against Ackistan and Trivalvia, and in the wake of two serious wars on this continent - the Naasha-Surdan conflict, and the attempted invasion / threat of invasion of the World Soviet Party by the Corporate Alliance [OOC: I am aware that you're ignoring the invasion due to the huge amount of bickering and attempted godmoding, TWSP, but the fact remains Griffincrest still wants a piece of your land, whether or not he actually got it].

We have seen nuclear weapons employed to deadly effect - Blainesville is still recovering from two nuclear detonations. Naasha has suffered severe orbital bombardment.

Because of the real threats of nations like Clandonia Prime and of organizations such as Griffincrest and the Kraven Corporation, it is our belief that we of this continent should band together to defend it from outside aggressors.

Proposed Names for the new organisation: [OOC: we never got around to naming this continent - it's like Europe in many ways but much larger and with certain coastal changes. I vote for Europa Nova ('New Europe') as a good name for the continent itself]. We propose that the name of this organization be the Europa Nova Defense Command, or the Sussex Pact.

Authority and Limits of the ENDC

We propose that the ENDC be charged with the defense of Europa Nova, its airspace, territorial waters, and land borders, from outside attacks be they from land, sea, air, or space. The ENDC should not have authority to launch offensive action against any nation outside of our continent. Any member nation seeking to launch offensive strikes outside of the ENDC's mandate will be responsible for its own actions and their consequences.

Interaction with other alliances / continental non-member nations

Interaction with larger defensive / peacekeeping alliances should be on an open and friendly basis. The exception should be with alliances with the express intention of the destruction or subjugation of one or all of our member nations.

The ENDC should not be a party to the destruction of one of its members. Should an alliance the ENDC have friendly relations with seek to invade one of our members, the ENDC will resist such an invasion, using diplomatic or military methods. [OOC: I am not entirely sure how to deal with conflict of interest issues, so I'll leave that to the other members to hash out].

Nations part of this continent but not signatory to the ENDC will be treated as outside entities, and military actions by these nations against member nations will be resisted by the ENDC. The ENDC will be open to applications from new nations so long as they have home territory in Europa Nova.

[OOC: That's it for now. Keep in mind this is all tentative and subject to negotiation. We'll discuss structuring of the ENDC and use of nuclear weapons after we get these parts ironed out. Discuss!]

OOC: I'm honoured to be in the same evil bracket along with Kraven and Griffenfest! :D

Naasha finds the proposal to be acceptable so far.

We would like to raise two issues:

-How would a conflict; military, diplomatic, economic or otherwise, between member nations be settled?

We would recommend that the organisation as a whole would seek to mediate the conflict but would not deploy military assets. Any member nation may become involved in the conflict without the organisation's interference however.

-The second issue is that many believe the only true defence against nuclear, chemical, biological and orbital weaponry attacks is the threat of retaliation. How will the organisation handle the defensive use of WMDs?

"My government agrees with your ideas so far. Of course, we may change our minds as we learn more details.

We do wish to express concern regarding Wanderjar. My government considers the Dominion Commonwealth to be a great threat to the world. Wanderjar and Clandonia Prime both belong to that alliance. We would have a hard time entrusting anyone in that alliance with access to our military secrets and assets." - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

What about Nova Europa instead?

We find the proposal aceptable, but would like to know its position the nations currently holding WMDs and wanting to join this Pact.

"Either of the names suggested by Trivalvia and TWSP would be acceptable to us.

We believe The World Soviet Party's question about WMD's to be a fair one. To facilitate a bit of trust, we will answer your question first. Ackistan owns a reasonable number of WMD's. Our foreign policy as it relates to Clandonia Prime's nuclear threats has always been one of mutually assured destruction.

Our ABM systems are fairly advanced. During our first crisis with Clandonia Prime, a friendly government provided us with a very advanced ABM system and skematics for Missile Launch Detection Satellites. The ABM system we were given is capable of shielding our own nation as well as most of the nations at this conference. The system is highly effective, but our supply of missiles is limited, and we promised the donor government that we would not reverse engineer their system. We also have a good number of Patriot Missile Defense systems and a number of YAL-1's."

Or we could be called the ECDA: Europe Continental Defense Alliance.

I also propose that we are structured like the EU, with outside citizens only needing a passport to get into one country, and then move about the others as they please. I think this will promote comradery among us and willbind us closer together. That's a good thing, right?

A flag for our alliance would be cool also, if anybody wants to make it.

On the WMDs: I think you should be able to launch them as long as you get approval from the other nations in the alliance.

Although Naasha does not possess WMD's we would object to having them under the direct control of the organisation.

We believe that the organisation should remain uninvolved with offensive WMD uses, but a structure could be placed on their defensive/retaliationary uses.

Trivalvia's proposals seem solid. We will need to know more, but everything looks good so far.

We have no WMD's. We have uranium deposits and two nuclear reactors, but we haven't built any nuclear bombs. That sort of thing is pretty low on our priorities.

Good idea, Naasha. We don't possess WMDs either.

On a side note, I could sell you guys cheaper oil if you want. My area (Norway) has a lot of it.

"Before this conference was announced, Ackistan was planning to invite your nations to a conference of our own.

If our host, Trivalvia consents, we wish to propose a mutual agreement between the nations attending this conference, which includes:

- a free trade agreement
- an extradition treaty
- a non-agression pact
- allocating money to develop highways, railroads, and other infracture to connect our nations

What say you all?" - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

Naasha would happily agree to opening free trade links with it's neighbour states, and will be happy to cooperate with them to create better transport links, for our country this will include the opening of deep water harbour facilities to enable heavy goods vessels full access to our nation.

We would also agree to a non-aggression pact, although this will probably covered by our host at some point.

Naasha is prepared to sign an extradition treaty on the condition that each request for extradition be reviewed by our courts, who would retain the right to refuse the case.

Good idea, Naasha. We don't possess WMDs either.

On a side note, I could sell you guys cheaper oil if you want. My area (Norway) has a lot of it.

"We have no oil reserves in our own lands, but we do own a few foreign oil assets. However, we still need to import oil to meet our needs. If Ezaltia is willing to sell us oil at a reasonable price, my government would be willing to help your nation develop its oil industry.

We do recommend you not advertise your oil resources any more than you have to. It could result in unwanted attention." Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

Sure, why not?

Don't worry, I'm only openly adverising it to you guys. This is supposed to be a secret thread, remember?

"Before this conference was announced, Ackistan was planning to invite your nations to a conference of our own.

If our host, Trivalvia consents, we wish to propose a mutual agreement between the nations attending this conference, which includes:

- a free trade agreement
- an extradition treaty
- a non-agression pact
- allocating money to develop highways, railroads, and other infracture to connect our nations

What say you all?" - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State


My government agrees to all of those things excluding part II.

What about Nova Europa instead?

We find the proposal aceptable, but would like to know its position the nations currently holding WMDs and wanting to join this Pact.

It goes without saying that we posses no nuclear weapons. That will not change anytime soon.

Hm. I guess one thing we had better settle right away is how extensive this system should be...

I'm envisioning a system much like NORAD or maybe even NATO in its makeup - a sharing of information and streamlined command chain linking our militaries together for continental defense. But there are calls here for this organization to be much more, a true alliance, becoming an equal to GASN, CA, DC, and others.

The second issue everyone wants to talk about is the use of nuclear weapons. There are calls from some to have retaliatory capability, as well as total autonomy to use nukes offensively.

Trivalvia is of the opinion that nuclear weapons are never a defensive weapon. When you employ a nuclear weapon, you have but one intent - to destroy an enemy city. Given the grand proliferation of ABM systems in the NS world, I would argue that a policy of Mutual Assured Destruction - the only policy where a retaliatory strike would be a "sane" deterrent option - would not work.

There is also the fact that once nukes start flying, legal niceties tend to be lost. If a nation in our organization has the freedom to launch a nuke on a first strike, the rest of the NS world is not going to care that the ENDC (or NEDC or ENDA depending on the final name we decide) doesn't have an offensive policy. They're going to retaliate, and probably against all of us. Leaving nukes in member nations without appropriate checks and balances may create more enemies than friends for us - let's not give our new alliance more work than it can put up with, shall we?

So here are the two questions broken down. I would appreciate each delegate choosing one of the options for each question - majority rule will determine what our policy will be.

Question One:What Role should this alliance take?
Option A: Military/Defensive Alliance only
Option B: Full Alliance, with economic, judicial, and political links in addition to military.

Question Two:How should we deal with nuclear weapons and attacks?
Option A: No nuclear weapons. Period.
Option B: No nuclear weapons, but sharing of ABM technologies between all member nations to give protection against nuclear attack.
Option C: Nuclear Weapons permitted, but under total control of the alliance. ABM technologies shared with all member nations.
Option D: Nuclear Weapons permitted, but member nations have autonomy over their use. ABM technologies may or may not be shared.

Trivalvia's Vote
Question 1: we vote for Option A. It's too soon to discuss forming a full alliance. Getting the defensive alliance in place will help our nations become more comfortable with each other and will make forming a full-fledged alliance easier in the long run.
Question 2: we vote for Option B, but will accept Option C. Nuclear weapons are not to be trifled with, and must have maximum protection against and minimum temptation to use as a cure-all.

So here are the two questions broken down. I would appreciate each delegate choosing one of the options for each question - majority rule will determine what our policy will be.

Question One:What Role should this alliance take?
Option A: Military/Defensive Alliance only
Option B: Full Alliance, with economic, judicial, and political links in addition to military.

Question Two:How should we deal with nuclear weapons and attacks?
Option A: No nuclear weapons. Period.
Option B: No nuclear weapons, but sharing of ABM technologies between all member nations to give protection against nuclear attack.
Option C: Nuclear Weapons permitted, but under total control of the alliance. ABM technologies shared with all member nations.
Option D: Nuclear Weapons permitted, but member nations have autonomy over their use. ABM technologies may or may not be shared.

Trivalvia's Vote
Question 1: we vote for Option A. It's too soon to discuss forming a full alliance. Getting the defensive alliance in place will help our nations become more comfortable with each other and will make forming a full-fledged alliance easier in the long run.
Question 2: we vote for Option B, but will accept Option C. Nuclear weapons are not to be trifled with, and must have maximum protection against and minimum temptation to use as a cure-all.

We choose B on both questions.

- a free trade agreement
- an extradition treaty
- a non-agression pact
- allocating money to develop highways, railroads, and other infracture to connect our nations

Dartia agrees to all those things.

As for the military aspects of our discussion, here is what we would like...

1. Member states should be allowed to have an control WMD's, but will agree to never use them in a first strike.
2. Member states should share ABM technology and use whatever systems they have to defend one another.
3. Member states develop and share information gathered from early warning systems. This would include passive sonar buoys, radar stations, listening posts, and satellites designed to detect ICBM launches.
4. Member states all agree not to attack one another.
5. Member states agree to use whatever military might at their disposal to defend other member states in the event they are attacked. If a member nation goes out of the way to provoke a nation into attacking them, then the alliance is no longer obligated to mount a defense. Even in that situation, the defending nation should still benefit from alliance ABM systems and early warning systems.
6. Nations that claim pacifist status are not required to fight on the behalf of other member nations. They are still required to contribute in a meaningful way. Providing money, medics, hospital ships, MASH units, engineers, logistic support, etc would suffice.

Sorry if my post derails the conference.

I also propose that we are structured like the EU, with outside citizens only needing a passport to get into one country, and then move about the others as they please. I think this will promote comradery among us and willbind us closer together. That's a good thing, right?

Dartia agrees to that too.

Sounds good so far....

I would be happy to join this Union.....I may have missed something but We have not talked what action we are going to take on the unfriendly Nations discussed

But yeah happy to join and accept all aspects of the pact so far

As for a name what about UNE "United New Europe"

To Trivalia:

Chellis understands that we are not directly a part of this continent. Our nation is an island nation about 6000km south-west of your continent. However, we have heavy investments into your continent. This ranges from being in alliances with some nations, having military bases in certain countries, etc.

If Trivalia doesn't want Chellis to be a part of the conference, we understand this. However, if nothing else, we would like to be a non-voting observer of the conference.

Naasha accepts that this alliance should be a defensive one, but suggests that a second, more political and economic organisation be put in place (the EU being the role model for this). Ackistan would be the prime candidate to host/chair this to get it off the ground, in our opinion.

Naasha would rather not be denied even the option of having WMD's, but would be prepared to place them under the organisation's control, provided that we may never be forced to use them.

The government of North Tolemac approves of all the proposals designed to increase economic, social, and judicial ties between our countries. Our peoples will grow closer to one another and learn to think of each other as friends. Even if we are unable to come to an agreement on the language of a mutual defense treaty, we believe when push comes to shove our nations will defend one another purely because of the friendships we have developed.

The mutual defense treaty proposed by Dartia is appealing to us. As for Trivalvia's questions, we choose option "B" to the first question so long as the military aspect of the alliance is purely defensive in nature. Question 2 is a little more difficult. None of the answers exactly match our position, but of the choices offered “C” is the one we would choose.

Clandonia Prime constantly threatens our nation with nuclear attacks. We feel it would be a disaster if we gave up our nuclear deterrent, and would probably not participate in this alliance if that is a requirement.

We do wish to state that we are vehemently opposed to using WMD's. We have never used them, and hopefully never will. Unfortunately, the grim reality of our situation is that not possessing such weapons is an invitation to attack.

Naasha supports Ackistan's viewpoint on this, we feel that threats from other, more warlike nations than ourselves must be met with a nuclear deterent. We possess no ABM technology at present, and are unsure if we fall into the range of anyone else's defenses, as such, obtaining this technology is vital to our national security.

@ Chellis: no problem - your observer status is approved.

Dartia you didn't 'derail' the conference, but rather managed to get to the heart of the issues as such.

It appears that the majority of delegates want this to be a full-fledged alliance, and so we'll add economic negotiations and administrative to the agenda.

The issue of nuclear weapons, however, has us divided. We have a split - with three nations either wanting to rid nuclear weapons or impose strict controls on them, and three wanting little or no controls on them.

Understand that when we are discussing nuclear weapons, we are discussing their use not only for the present, but also for the future. We feel it would be irresponsible - and potentially destructive to this continent - to leave even the tiniest crack open for future leaders to wage nuclear war.

The two wars Clandonia Prime has had with nations in New Europe illustrate this very well. In the first war, Clandonia Prime launched strikes against Blainesville, and ultimately deployed nuclear weapons against that nation. Griffincrest ABM defenses destroyed many of them - although two did reach their targets - and then Griffincrest launched two retaliatory strikes, destroying much of Clandonia Prime. Blainesville was affiliated with Griffincrest and its nuclear arsenal - and the retaliation against Clandonia Prime was not enough to save it.

In the second war, Clandonia Prime was rebuilt through the good graces of another alliance - the Dominion Commonwealth, and was re-armed despite protests from some leaders on this continent. And the first opportunity it had - in its war with Naasha - it employed orbital weaponry to wreak havoc on Naashan civilian targets. The Dominion Commonwealth supposedly had checks and balances, with the leaders in Transylvania having final say over the use of such weapons, and Clandonia Prime was able to work around those checks.

Thus we can derive these lessons: The Threat of Retaliation does not always work. Unless severe controls are imposed and enforced, any one of our nations will have the temptation to use nuclear and orbital weapons irresponsibly. I know we would like to think of ourselves as enlightened leaders - may it always be so - but future administrations may not be so blessed. There is always the possibility that an imperial or fascist mindset may grip one or several of our nations, and if that is the case, we must insure that this alliance will have such counters against future warmongers that the only way such tyrants can exercise their power and inflict harm on other nations will be to break the alliance itself.

To that end, Trivalvia believes that the best course would be to lock down our nuclear arsenals, while advancing and distributing ABM technology to insure the greatest possible protection for our members. We accept that this is not going to happen overnight, but we do believe a proper timetable must be developed and adhered to. If this is to be a defensive alliance, it must not appear as an offensive threat to other nations and alliances.

[OOC: that is, we gradually phase out/lock down nukes and increase ABM umbrellas - I'd like to see each member nation have an ABM network of its own, while second-tier networks can provide multi-national coverage. Defense against orbital weapons, though, sadly means having orbital weapons of our own - which I believe should be limited to anti-satellite weapon platforms.]

The other points Dartia brings up regarding military cooperation are, we believe, sound. We would like to add that when it comes to sharing information, that all radar, sonar, and satellite networks should be tied through a central hub with full access for the militaries of all member nations. A Defense Command headquarters with two or three backup facilities ready in the event the headquarters was destroyed or otherwise compromised.

Pardon me for sounding thick but ....ABM?

Does this Alliance cover Millitary Assistance....I ask as our Millitary funding has been stripped back?

Pardon me for sounding thick but ....ABM?

Does this Alliance cover Millitary Assistance....I ask as our Millitary funding has been stripped back?

Anti-Ballistic-Missile

For everyone's convenience, here is a list of military budgets of nations in our area. Not all of these nations are participating in this summit:


Wanderjar: $14,584,988,514,457 (100% tax rate/28% defense)
Liberated New Ireland: $6,333,937,626,671 (44% tax rate/32% defense)
Wilhelmsborough: $4,277,509,300,428 (88% tax rate/20% defense)
Errikland: $1,781,412,078,322 (0% tax rate/33% defense)
Trivalvia: $234,518,281,353 (49% tax rate/16% defense)
The World Soviet Party: $214,487,047,116 (100% tax rate/3% defense)
Ackistan: $188,536,113,598 (20% tax rate/18% defense)
North Tolemac $125,278,807,359 (11% tax rate/29% defense)
Naasha/Surdun: $113,220,000,000 (34% tax rate/25% defense)
Dartia: $91,304,974,886 (15% tax rate/9% defense)
Blainesville: $52,368,261,939 (22% tax rate/11% defense)
Ezaltia: $31,513,216,676 (24% tax rate/18% defense)
New Canton: $9,695,859,979 (0% tax rate/21% defense)
Yume Sekai: $0 (44% tax rate/0% defense)
Tranquility Island: $0 (11% tax rate/0% defense)


This information is a year old.

Approximately: $113,220,000,000.00 (34% income tax/25% defense) from Naasha.

Surdun currently has no military, so we'll ignore it.

Could we just impose sanctions like NK would that not be safer than any Millitary Action or is that just dumb?

I personally would bomb their asses but since this Pact is peaceful and I lack the arms to do so i'll avoid that

Naasha is considering placing a trade embargo on Clandonia Prime, and it is viewed with mistrust. That is all we consider appropriate for now.

Current leadership also mistrusts Cravan, but this may change as new elements take power.

Naasha is considering placing a trade embargo on Clandonia Prime, and it is viewed with mistrust. That is all we consider appropriate for now.

Current leadership also mistrusts Cravan, but this may change as new elements take power.

We have an embargo on Clandonian goods in place already, and suggest the members here do as well.

Fellow delegates, if we can return our focus to the matter at hand... We are attempting to determine policy regarding our own use of nuclear weapons and how we should respond to a nuclear attack. Policy regarding economic sanctions can wait until later.

I shall also place a ban on Clandonian good as he is veiwed as an ememy of our new alliance as with all other enemies if I get info on who they are

But anyway i dont see why we should lock down our Nukes can we not use them for defense only we are not trying to form a heaven we are trying to protect ourselfs and most likely our foes DO posses Nukes

I say we ban nuclear weapòns and concetrate on ABMs and conventional weaponry, or, less destructive weaponry such as napalm or Thermobarics weapons, which are pretty efective against threats while not being nuclear in its nature.

It seems everyone agrees that ABM systems should be shared by all. That is sound policy. A nuke that hits one nation can easily damage a neighboring nation.

Regarding our own WMD's, Ackistan is willing to commit to never using WMD's first against any enemy. Limitations beyond that are not open for negotiation even if that means we will be unable to participate in this alliance. That is our government's position, and it will not change.

"The Ackistani delegation welcomes our friends from Chellis to this conference. It is good to see you made it." - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

I had not thought of those.....Consider Yume Sekai's Nukes locked *Goes to stock Napalm LOL*

"My government also wishes to inform the nations present at this conference that in the past we have offered Clandonia Prime a nuclear arms reduction treaty. We were refused. The Clandonian diplomat advised us that stopping their production of nuclear weapons would harm their economy, which is nonsense of course" - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

Well...

We'll be willing to relax our request for controls on nuclear arsenals, although nations that do not currently possess nuclear weapons should be discouraged from attaining them.

Would Ackistan be willing to revisit the question in, say, ten NS years time? (OOC: remember, we're on fluid time for the moment, so this should give you license to take, say, a few real months or even a real year away from the issue)

"Also, as Chellis can confirm, our best ABM system uses a small nuclear warhead as a backup system." - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

"We are always willing to reconsider our policies if they no longer make sense. We agree." - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

As are we

We dont currently have any Nukes nor we try to get any as long as we are part of this pact

But what are we to do if CP steps up its threats most of us have sanctions but what after that?

Excellent.

So, if nobody objects: our new alliance's policy with respect to nuclear weapons will be:

1. Existing nuclear arsenals will remain the responsibility of their respective governments, with the agreement not to use them as a first-strike option.
2. Member nations not possessing nuclear weapons will be discouraged from developing them in favour of more conventional weapons (not forbidden, as this might also lock out, say, peaceful nuclear technology).
3. Anti-Ballistic-missile technology will be shared with all member nations, and ABM networks built in all member nations.

We will revisit points 1 and 2 in ten NS years time.

Moving on: I believe everyone agrees that information sharing between our nations militaries is important, so I think setting up a military command chain and power-sharing should be next on our agenda.

We think that a centralized military command structure to deal with threats to the continent and the alliance as a whole is important, and that command centers should be built capable of linking all of our military commands and early-warning systems together. The commander in chief of this system should be a rotating position, with a two NS year term in peacetime. Each member nation will have a chance to be "at the helm".

Please note that the military command chain leadership will not directly translate over to civilian affairs (such as trade, extradition, economic sanctions, etc). We will likely need a seperate legislative body for the civilian side.

EDIT: Yume Sekai - if sanctions fail against an aggressor (CP will not be our only enemy, I fear, either now or in the future), then military action will be necessary. I wanted this alliance to be defensive only - so we can band together to repel an invading army or whether a nuclear or orbital attack - but if we're going the full alliance route than we may have to consider circumstances where we can dispatch a task force to take a fight elsewhere.

I think we should focus more on getting a draft treaty and the organisation formed, before we take on a debate about a specific threat nation.

Naasha will not, at this time, pursue a nuclear weapons program, we will review this course if the situation changes.

After reviewing Trivalvia's proposal in respect to nuclear weapons, we have decided that this is acceptable to us.

We would request that if early warning and ABM systems were linked, that we were aided in obtaining the technology for these, as our situation on the edge of the treaty area places us in a position to be responsible for monitoring threats from both the east and south.

"While Clandonia Prime has been discussed in great detail at this conference, his nation is becoming less and less of a threat and more of pest. Nations around the world are on to their warmongering ways. His allies are increasingly less supportive of him, and nations are increasingly willing to fight him when he acts aggressively. The only thing really menacing about that nation is their nuclear stockpile.

At any rate, I believe we have reached some sort of consensus. I suggest a draft of our agreement be made for ratification." - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

OOC: Perhaps we should give people a little more time to post their opinions, then write something up.

OOC: very good idea, Ackistan...

I'm afraid that RL is going to intrude for the next few days, so I won't be online again until maybe Tuesday. Probably then would be a good time for everyone to ratify a draft.

IC: the floor is open for other comments and concerns. And refreshments are available.

Could I suggest we form two organisations? A defensive one as sugested here, governed by this treaty, and another for political and economic purposes, that way we can concentrate on the matters at hand for each.

So far the treaty looks good to us.

Our nation does have a small quantity of nuclear weapons. We are surprised to see so few nations here do. I thought for sure TWSP would have a formidable stockpile.

Ackistan, you going to share that anti-spy satellite system with everyone?

OOC: hey guys, just got back from a band review. Third place, thank you very much.

IC: Ezaltia is pleasently surprised by the WMD possession treaty proposed by Trivalvia. We will cancel our efforts to develop nuclear weapons, but with the council's permission, we wish to continue our nuclear power program.

We should also have a vote on what our defensive alliance should be called. Choices thus far:
Europa Nova
Nova Europa
ECDA (Europe Continental Defense Alliance)
UNE (United New Europe)

Tell me if I forgot any. Feel free to suggest new names.

I like Nova Europa best with the reverse variant being my second favorite.

ECDA and Nova Europa are my favourites.

"Our government recommends this new alliance impose economic sanctions against the ADAN. Clandonia Prime belongs to that alliance. Thus, their entire alliance is bound to assist CP in any invasion of our territories. I don’t think the ADAN is a warmongering alliance. With a bit of pressure, they may choose to expel Clandonia Prime. Also, they seem to have taken an interest in recruiting Hataria. As some of you may or may not know, Hataria recently detonated a nuclear weapon in the Mediterranean without warning for testing purposes. Innocent people were killed, and numerous nations in our new alliance were put at risk." - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

Tranquility Island agrees to join this alliance if Dartia’s suggestion about the duties of pacifist nations is adopted.

Peace be with you all.

"Our government recommends this new alliance impose economic sanctions against the ADAN. Clandonia Prime belongs to that alliance. Thus, their entire alliance is bound to assist CP in any invasion of our territories. I don’t think the ADAN is a warmongering alliance. With a bit of pressure, they may choose to expel Clandonia Prime. Also, they seem to have taken an interest in recruiting Hataria. As some of you may or may not know, Hataria recently detonated a nuclear weapon in the Mediterranean without warning for testing purposes. Innocent people were killed, and numerous nations in our new alliance were put at risk." - Angelina Whittaker, Secretary of State

Sure. Why not.

Well, Dephire is the founder of the ADAN, and he is friendly towards me, so I dont agree with sanctioning them, as, most of them dont like CP anyways.

Eek. I just posted in support of the sanctions. I like the idea of economic sanction though since my nation is pacifisitc that is about all I can do.

If your nation is friendly with Dephire that makes your nation ideal for this effort. If Dephire sees his friends feel threatened by Clandonia Prime wouldn't that get his attention?

Anyway, I am going to try to boost my nation's healthcase spending. If some war ever breaks out, I hope to be able to have a lot of hospitals, medics, medical ships, doctors, and nurses ready to spring into action. :D

Hawt nurses?

haha

Ya. Really hot MALE nurses :p

OOC: Got time for one last post before my net connection goes down for the next few days...

It would be my recommendation that any request for sanctions against a nation or alliance be backed up by evidence. It should be the duty of the nation requesting sanctions to provide proof of war crimes, aggressive actions or plans of aggressive action against the nations of this alliance [OOC: be prepared to provide links to the relevant threads and posts]. Further, I would recommend that sanction requests require a 2/3 majority vote from the member nations. Lastly, requests for sanctions against a nation or alliance should deal with current events rather than past history; nations change over time, and it should not be a habit or a function of this alliance to harbour grudges (OOC: a possible benchmark would be finished events/threads older than 3 RL months should be considered out-of-bounds. Threads 3+ months old and still ongoing will have to be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. I know it can be a pain to have deliberation before action, but if we're going to win respect among other alliances, we had best be seen to be fair as well as powerful).

I also think that we should finish and ratify a charter and have the civilian leadership set up before we start issuing sanctions. This organization is still in the womb, so to speak, and is not yet ready to walk.

[OOC: And that's it for me until Tuesday. I'm counting on you all to draft a good charter while I'm out. I'll be able to read it, recommend amendments or give my stamp of approval then, and we can then hold a vote to ratify.]

I am happy with the treaty. In case you guys didn't know, I am a pending member of GASN. I don't think that will cause any conflicts, but I figured it was worth mentioning.

I am probably going to get in on the trade sanctions. It looks like ADAN might cave, so it seems worthwhile even if our alliance isn't officially doing it together.

Yeah we have pretty much agreed on all we can agree on so....

Who will write the Charter??

OOC: I'm laughing at the fear I have put into your nations hearts.

OOC: I'm laughing at the fear I have put into your nations hearts.

OOC: Ooooh, Im sooo scared -_-

The economic sanctions worked. Clandonia Prime is no longer in ADAN.

I figure once Clandonia Prime is isolated from his allies, his potential to cause problems will be greatly diminished. If we can accomplish that without having to use any armies, that is a good thing I think. I propose we unofficially do something similiar with the Dominion Commonwealth.

[OOC: back again... but I have some bad news. I will not be able to post as often as I did before going offline on the weekend. Long story short - I've had to move and my new location is not Internet Friendly. Expect me to post a few times a week now. Sincere apologies for the inconvenience, but it cannot be helped.]

[IC]

If no-one objects, Trivalvia's delegation can draft the charter for our alliance (which we will tentatively call the Nova Europa Alliance unless people prefer another name). We'll have a draft ready within the next few days.

Press Statement:

The delegates at the Sussex Conference have 'reached a state of consensus', said President William MacKensie, host of the conference and considered to be one of the prime movers behind the proposed Nova Europa Alliance. 'We're closing in on final details, and expect to have a charter ready for ratification once the week is out.'

Although the alliance is not yet formalized, it has already had some impact, as the attending nations have put some pressure on ADAN concerning one of its members, Clandonia Prime. The rogue nation has been a recurring threat in the western half of the Nova Europa continent, and continues to be a focal point for several nations attending the conference.

The economic sanctions worked. Clandonia Prime is no longer in ADAN.

I figure once Clandonia Prime is isolated from his allies, his potential to cause problems will be greatly diminished. If we can accomplish that without having to use any armies, that is a good thing I think. I propose we unofficially do something similiar with the Dominion Commonwealth.

But they are still a member of the Dominion Commonwealth, in the words of his leader, "The Dominion's Caged Dof of War".

Thats what gave my first thought he was booted out of the DC the "Caged Dog of War" thing

Our government wishes Trivalvia good luck writing the draft of our alliance's charter.

Any news on the biological attack on Ackistan? If I had to guess, I would say Clandonia Prime did it. I've been following his nuclear test and his account of what it is like to live in his nation. He is begging to be destroyed.

If we ever fell the need to invade CLandonia, you can count me in. I have no personal grudge with him, but he's very imperialistic and I will support my allies.

Nova Europa Alliance..I like it. NEA for short?

If we ever fell the need to invade CLandonia, you can count me in. I have no personal grudge with him, but he's very imperialistic and I will support my allies.

Nova Europa Alliance..I like it. NEA for short?

OOC: LOL

hey, you are. Don't deny it.

[OOC] Let's not talk about invasions until we're organized.

Sorry to everyone for taking so long... life continues to throw spanner wrenches in a variety of tasks. Here is the first article of the proposed Charter. I'll get more available as soon as possible.]

Charter of the Nova Europa Alliance Military Command

Article I: Mission and Command Structure

1. The Mission of the Nova Europa Alliance Military Command (hereafter referred to as NEAMC) is to coordinate the armed forces of the member nations of the Nova Europa Alliance to counter foreign invasion.

2. To facilitate the mission outlined in Article 1, all military commands within the NEA will submit all information requested to the NEAMC. In times of war, all military commands within the NEA will be under the overall authority of the NEAMC.
a) The above is intended to apply to continental warfare, in which a nation, mega-corporation, or alliance has the express intention of destroying or conquering the continent of Nova Europa. It does not apply to smaller wars in which only one nation is attacked or attacks another.
b) In the event of a war encompassing only one of the member nations of the NEA, other member nations of the NEA are permitted to provide additional forces to aid the affected nation. Forces provided for this purpose will be under the authority of the NEAMC.

3. Four headquarters will be established to meet the needs of the NEAMC. The primary headquarters will be near Sussex, Trivalvia. Secondary headquarters - intended to take over full command operations should the primary headquarters be destroyed or compromised - will be in Ackistan, The World Soviet Party, and Dartia.

4. A Commander-General will be assigned as commanding officer of the NEAMC. This is a rotating position, with each nation providing a new Commander-General to serve a 2 year (peacetime) term. The starting order will be: Ackistan, Trivalvia, The World Soviet Party, Dartia, Ezaltia, Yume Sekai, [OOC: I'm probably forgetting a few members. Feel free to sing out!]
a) Should a state of contiental war break out, the NEAMC command structure will be locked in until the end of the war. This will minimize the problem of having to adjust to new commanders in the middle of a crisis situation.
b) A NEAMC Commander-General can be removed from office if a minimum of three member-nations can prove incompetance or malevolance on the part of the commander in question. Command will then fall to the next member nation in line.

[OOC: more to come! Feel free to debate the wording of this article though, I'll amend as the majority dictates]

Sounds good to me.

Sounds good to me.

I agree.

Everything looks fine so far. I am guessing the other stuff we talked about will be included in "the more to come".

Nice job.

All sounds fine

Does the Commander General have command of ALL the armies of the NEAMC?

"My government is pleased with your daft so far, Trivalvia" - Angelina Whittaker

All sounds fine

Does the Commander General have command of ALL the armies of the NEAMC?

I am guessing only when we conduct joint operations.

Well written and totally acceptable to us so far, I hope the remainder comes together soon.

Nice charter, Trivalvia. Although I think all nations should be obligated to protect each other even if only one nation is being attacked, rather than if the whole continent was under attack.

The Most Serene Republic of Tranquility Island endorses the charter as it is written so far. We hate to be bothersome, but we wish to remind the Trivalvian authors to include language allowing our pacifist nation to participate.

"My government wishes to make a couple of systems we have developed available to fellow members of Nova Europa. Anyone that wishes to have schematics to our AT-1 or X-CSS systems need only ask" - Angelina Whittaker

OOC:

The AT-1 Airborne Transmitter is basically a modified Boeing 747. Its passenger compartment has been replaced with television and radio transmitters. The US has something very similar, which they use in propaganda campaigns.

X-CSS Counter Surveillance Satellite system is used to blind spy satellites. It has two key components: radar to track satellites and six lasers to blind them. The lasers are essentially glorified laser pointers (too weak to destroy anything), which are pointed at spy satellites to blind them by overexposure. For easy transport, the X-CSS resembles a typical cargo container. I can be pulled by an 18-wheeler, boat, train, or heavy-lift helicopter. Two gas power generators (one is a backup) power the apparatus, but adapters are included to allow the X-CSS to draw power from other sources. The current model must be stationary to be used effectively, but we are developing another model for use by our fleets that can function while moving.

When not in use, the key components lie dormant inside the container. A hydraulic system opens panels in the roof and jacks the components into place when the system is activated. Each X-CSS is able to target up to six satellites at a time. In real life, China has a low power laser system they sometimes use to blind spy satellies.

We are very interested in these anti-satellite systems you proposed. Send some schematics our way.

We also wish to have/buy the system or if you could send the blueprints that would be great

We are very interested in these anti-satellite systems you proposed. Send some schematics our way.

The skematics have been sents. Building the first one will cost around $14.3 million dollars. After you have paid for the needed machinery to produce them, you can build them for roughly $5.1 million each.

Alternatively, you could have me build you a few for $5.3 million each.

We also wish to have/buy the system or if you could send the blueprints that would be great

They have been sent.

OOC: See the post I just made to Ezaltia.

I figured it would be nice for us to have some more neighbors, so I made a new land claim thread to see if more people would signup. Also have a few items for discussion.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11923045#post11923045

We'll build them ourselves, thanks. Nothing against you.

We'll build them ourselves, thanks. Nothing against you.

Sure, that is why you were offered the skematics.

Okay, getting back to this after a hectic few days [OOC: started a new job]...

To answer some of the questions of the other delegates:

Yume Sekai: The NEAMC command structure will be in charge of Nova Europa's armies in the following circumstances (which I should probably clarify either in Article 1 or add a new Article to cover this in detail:)

1) Foreign operations (peacekeeping, enforcement, rapid-response): NEAMC will have command of units donated from the various militaries in the Nova Europa Alliance for the duration of the operation. Command of the operation will likely be assigned to a commander selected by the NEAMC Commander-General; this commander will report directly to the NEAMC headquarters who will in turn be answerable to the NEA government or assembly [OOC: someone want to work on the government structure for the Nova Europan Alliance? I suggest using the EU, the UN, and the British Commonwealth as possible models...]

2) Limited Invasion of Home Territories: Here, one or several foreign powers has declared war / invaded one or more nations belonging to the NEA. If the forces arrayed against us are small [OOC: noobish nations or 'banana republic' militaries wanting to strut their stuff], then local militaries will have autonomy in dealing with the invaders and will provide reports of the battle to NEAMC headquarters. Should one nation require military aid, the Commander-General can request forces as the situation dictates from other member nations, and assign a field commander to those forces.

3) Large-Scale Invasion of Home Territories: This is the 'Total War' scenario. A foreign power, be it a nation, corporation, or alliance, has brought and can support either an overwhelming force against one member nation or forces of sufficient threat against more than one member nation. Such an attack would classify as a Threat to the Continent and will be treated as an act of war against the entire alliance. NEAMC will then assume full command of all member nation militaries to deal with the invasion, and will also consider counter-attack options against the aggressor should the invasion be successfully broken.

I've divided such attacks against us into two categories because we should not require the mobilization of the entire Nova Europan militaries to deal with a small attack - doing so might give a 'don't mess with us' message but it might also make other alliances fear and maybe hate us. Plus, using a huge force to destroy a small invading force or small invading nation is incredibly wasteful. We might spend a tremendous amount of money in such an operation and find our defense coffers dry when a real threat rears its head.

Everything you have written so far seems fine, Trivalvia.

Over the next few years, Ackistan's military will be undergoing a number of upgrades. As new hardware becomes available, we will have some surplus items available for distribution to any Nova Europe Alliance nations that want them. For the time being, we have the following items available:

100,000 RPK-74 Light Machine Guns
100,000 A-5 Submachine Guns
2,227,000 H&K MP5A2 Submachine Guns
120,070 M16A1 Assault Rifles
250,000 M-60E3
1,200 M60A3 Main Battle Tanks
2 Invincible Class Light Aircraft Carriers

OOC: If you take something off the list, please repost the list minus whatever you took.

Ooo..that's tempting, but I don't think I'll take anything. Most of the stuff is a tad outdated, and really wouldn't have a place in our military.

We would like to make our surplus items available, however:

100,000 SA80
20,000 L86
20,000 MP5

Not too long ago, we updated our service rifle to the G-36 and F2000. Whoever wants these old guns can have them.

I'll take the two Aircraft Carriers please

Our charter seems to be coming along well.

=Official Granatian Message=

Sorry about the delay in sending a delegation. Isolationist Ideals are hard to shake off, even in today's day and age. But we are here none the less and are ready to assist those who need it most.

Also we would like a run-down of what has happened and what we are currently discussing. This is for informational purposes and so that we may send all info to the King.

=Official Granatian Message=

Sorry about the delay in sending a delegation. Isolationist Ideals are hard to shake off, even in today's day and age. But we are here none the less and are ready to assist those who need it most.

Also we would like a run-down of what has happened and what we are currently discussing. This is for informational purposes and so that we may send all info to the King.

Welcome to our little conference. Trivalvia and Ackistan put this alliance together, but I will attempt to fill you in.

Nova Europe is a mutual defense and trade alliance.


All nations have free trade.
All nations have extradition treaties
All nations agree not to attack one another.
We build roads and such to connect our nations.
Our citizens are allowed to travel to each other's nations (I think).
In the event our continent is attacked, we all work together to mount a defense.
If a member nation suffers an unprovoked attack, the alliance may help if needed.
We have a few joint military command bases that have access to intelligence collected by all member nations.
We use our ABM systems to protect one another.
All members agree to never use WMD's first in warfare.


There are probably a few things I am forgetting. The alliance is still being developed, and hasn't really be implemented yet.

Here is a list of the nations currently expected to join.


Trivalvia
Ackistan
The World Soviet Party
Dartia
North Tolemac
Ezaltia
Yume Sekai
Naasha
Tranquility Island

We thank you. This information will be most helpful to us. I think it would also be prudent for us to join this alliance, seeing as we are one the same continent.

That is wise decision if you don't mind me saying so. It is a dangerous world out there. It is always good to have a few friends.

Especially if they're on the same continent as you.

I'll take the two Aircraft Carriers please

They are yours.

Items Remaining (Includes Ezaltia's stuff plus new things I added)
100,000 SA80
20,000 L86
20,000 MP5
100,000 RPK-74 Light Machine Guns
100,000 A-5 Submachine Guns
2,227,000 H&K MP5A2 Submachine Guns
24 Cyclone Class Coastal Patrol Ships
8 Sukanya Class Large Patrol Ships (helicopter not included)
10 Sea Shadow Catamarans
5 Tangier Island Special Ops Frigates (see Emperor Pudu’s storefront)
75,000 M21 Anti-Tank Mines
200,000 M-60E3 Machine Guns
8,000 M136 AT4 Rocket-Propelled Grenade Launchers
750 M109 A6 Paladin Self-Propelled Howitzers
120,070 M16A1 Assault Rifles
250,000 M-60E3 Machine Guns
1,200 M60A3 Main Battle Tanks

Naasha would be interested in obtaining the Cyclone and Sukanya class coastal ships, as our large coastline has proved a tad prone to attack.

Could we also obtain some further information on the vessels, such as armament and dimensions for example?

Thanks in advance.

OOC: Seeing as Ackistan is too scared, anyone here up for a one on one war with me? No allies involved?

Naasha would be interested in obtaining the Cyclone and Sukanya class coastal ships, as our large coastline has proved a tad prone to attack.

Could we also obtain some further information on the vessels, such as armament and dimensions for example?

Thanks in advance.

The following is copied from Emperor Pudu's Storefront, where those ships were originally purchased.

Sukanya Class-$190 Million (106 sold)
Type: Large Patrol Craft
Propulsion: Two diesel motors with 12,880 hp and 2 shafts.
Displacement: 1890 tons full load.
Speed: 21 knots.
Range: 5800 miles at 15 knots.
Crew: 140 (incl. 15 officers).
Aircraft: One HAL Chetak.
Weapons: One Bofors 40mm/60 gun at 120 rds/min to 5.5n miles; 10 km. May be replaced with a 76mm gun in due course. Has four 12.7mm machine guns.
Image: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6...nush0017iv.jpg

Cyclone Class-$225 Millon (222 sold)
Type: Coastal Patrol Ship
Power Plant: Four Paxman diesels; four shafts; 3,350 shaft horsepower
Length: 170 feet (51.82 meters)
Beam: 25 feet (7.62 meters)
Displacement: 331 tons (336.31 metric tons) full load
Speed: 35 knots (40 miles per hour; 65 kilometers/hr.)
Crew: Four officers, 24 enlisted personnel
Armament: One MK 96 and one MK 38 25mm machine guns; Five .50 caliber machine guns; two MK 19 40mm automatic grenade launchers; Two M-60 machine guns
Image: http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7594/cougar17cn.jpg

Just to clarify, the UNNS are welcome to these ships. The Imperialists...not so much. :D

We'll take 5 of those Sea Shadows off your hands.

Naasha's coast prone to attack...yeah, it is. Especially when half your army's defecting..:p

OOC: Seeing as Ackistan is too scared, anyone here up for a one on one war with me? No allies involved?

I sent you a telegram telling you why I didn't want to have another conflict with you because this thread is not the appropriate place to have that discussion. Since you insist on having a public debate about it, here is why I don't want to be involved in your newest RP:

Our First Conflict:
CP: Your nation is blockading me. It is a MT conflict. Small nations only.
Me: I am? Ok.
*Transylvania shows up with 80 flying aircraft carriers*
Me: Uh, this thread is for small MT nations only.
Transylvania: Tough shit.
*Thread devolves into huge OOC argument*
Me: I'm not doing this.
CP: I rule.

Our 2nd Conflict:
CP: I am invading you. It is MT. Small nations only.
Me: *sigh* If I have to.
Transylvania: I demand to have a huge territory bordering Ackistan for this war!
Me: Uh, no.
*Transylvania spams thread with various demands*
*Thread devolves into huge OOC argument*
Me: This sucks. I'm leaving.
CP: I kick ass.

Our Last Conflict:
CP: I am attacking you again. It is a MT conflict. Big nations are only allowed to contribute $20 billion in aid to either side. No WMD's.
Me: #%$@ not again. Fine. Let us get it over with.
*Ackistan starts beating the snot out of Clandonia Prime*
CP: My space marines are using their uber space ships to bomb you from orbit. Their missiles strike your cities with the force of a nuclear bomb!
Me: How can you afford that? Your nation was just nuked into oblivion by Blackhelm. Those space ships and space marines aren't even MT.
CP: Transylvania and Mationbuds sent me 4 trillion dollars worth of junk.
Me: WTF?
*Thread devolves into huge OOC argument*
Me: I don't want to go through this again. Please, I beg you not to create any more threads about my nation.
CP: I rule.

The delegate of Duckquackmuse (south of France) has just arrived and apologises for being late blaming it on his disorganised government.

Duckquackmuse is an unmilitarised country, is currently neutral to all conflicts going on at the moment and expects it will stay this way. Also we would like to say that it is interested in the idea of a Nova Europe region being created. It would unifie us and make communication easier. Not that its hard right now.

The UNNS are of course accepting the ships on behalf of the Imperial government, who are currently... indisposed.

Welcome to our newest neighbour also.

Welcome to our newest neighbour also.

Thankyou, what do you think of the region idea?

Being still stuck in the East Pacific due to the laziness of our creator, Naasha would be happy to move to a Nova Europa region, however we recognise that many of the other more powerful nations may be well established in certain regions.

Official Clandonian Response
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/madnukedude/clandoniansmallflag.png



Due to the increased threat of this hostile alliance our nation and military have come to the decision to deploy four of our new Super Danskeran Class Missile Dreadnought (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=3175&st=0). We hope you don't mind having them there, its all in the context of peace of course. These vessels each contain several megatonnes of warheads so we advice you don't try and blow them up.

Have a nice day!

Naasha of course is disgusted by this arrogant show of force and will be appealing to the Dominion Commonwealth to bring an end to your provocative behaviour.

We would also like to point out that this alliance is purely defensive in nature and could only conceivably be considered 'hostile' if you had plans on attacking the continent.

Official Clandonian Response
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/madnukedude/clandoniansmallflag.png



Due to the increased threat of this hostile alliance our nation and military have come to the decision to deploy four of our new Super Danskeran Class Missile Dreadnought (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=3175&st=0). We hope you don't mind having them there, its all in the context of peace of course. These vessels each contain several megatonnes of warheads so we advice you don't try and blow them up.

Have a nice day!

Deploy them where, exactly?

In the North Sea.

ha, ha.. click on the link he gave for his "dreadnought" and read what the other people said. I'm laughing my ass off.

ha, ha.. click on the link he gave for his "dreadnought" and read what the other people said. I'm laughing my ass off.

OOC: Yes its what we call the draftroom.

ha, ha.. click on the link he gave for his "dreadnought" and read what the other people said. I'm laughing my ass off.

OOC: Please grow up and everything on that link is OOC.

It is indeed a rather odd vessel though... I don't really see the point, a trident armed nuclear sub serves the exact same purpose with a hell of a lot more efficiency.

OOC: Please grow up and everything on that link is OOC.

Just saying, it doesn't look like a very good vessel to me. Of course, IC, I know nothig about it.

Just saying, it doesn't look like a very good vessel to me. Of course, IC, I know nothig about it.

OOC: When those four submarines have used up their 106 missile each then you may see things differently. He heh heh.

Ok I haven't exactly done my homework on what regions you guys are in right now, and how influential you are in them. But I would like to get some idea of how many people would be interested in a Nova Europe region.

Obviously we don't need everyone in the continent to join the region, but if I'm only going to attract about 4 nations then there would be not too much point. However at the moment I feel a little lost as to what region I should be in so I would be up for it...

Could I get some feedbackfrom you as to whether or not it's a viable idea? And whether you would be interested?

I'd join it. I'm only in the region I am right now because it's small enough for NSEconomy to work.

OOC: When those four submarines have used up their 106 missile each then you may see things differently. He heh heh.

Of course, then the NEAMC would authorize the use of WMDs on you, soon after which you'd be so much radioactive goo. But we're..well, I wouldn't say friendly, but cool with each other's existence, right?

Official Clandonian Response
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/madnukedude/clandoniansmallflag.png



Due to the increased threat of this hostile alliance our nation and military have come to the decision to deploy four of our new Super Danskeran Class Missile Dreadnought (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=3175&st=0). We hope you don't mind having them there, its all in the context of peace of course. These vessels each contain several megatonnes of warheads so we advice you don't try and blow them up.

Have a nice day!

Greetings from the Republic of Ackistan!

My government is pleased to learn you are investing heavily in a horribly overpriced and inefficient weapon systems. For $6.8 billion more than you spent on that single submarine, we just purchased another Carrier Strike Group package from Emperor Pudu, which includes:

2 Intrepid Class Super Carriers
2 Dauntless Class Heavy Battleships
11 Duke Class Air Defence Frigates
13 Arleigh Burke Class Missile Destroyers
8 Seawolf Class Attack Submarines
8 Ticonderoga Class Missile Cruisers
242 Assorted Aircraft + Helicopters

We are deploying our new 4th Carrier Strike Group (plus a few extra ships) 250 miles from your coast. We hope you don't mind having them there, its all in the context of peace.

Best wishes,
Angelina Whittaker
Secretary of State

OOC: Sure, I will join the Nova Europa Region.

Ok I think I'm going to go ahead and make it. Better than just sitting on my butt waiting for some interest to be shown. :)

*fume*

The following is OOC and I apologize in advance to fellow RPers that you have to see this...

To Clandonia Prime: This is not a war RP. This is a Conference RP. There are rules regarding those not invited in how they are to act.

Read the first post, then read it again. I stated that spies or press could be allowed within the limits stated in the first post. You're bringing ships, and in response to events that are mostly Secret IC. That's a possible Thread Hijack and a probable Godmode.

Therefore, by the power vested in me as Thread-starter, I am using the IGNORE cannon on those ships. Wait until the conference is over, the charter signed and the alliance forged before you decide to start waging war.
DON'T attempt to start a war in this thread again. You have been warned.

Now... on to the charter and other IC events:

First, welcome, Duckquackmusean delegates, to the Sussex Conference. I would like to thank the North Tolemac delegates for bringing you up to speed.

[Ducking to OOC for a second: Duckquackmuse, I like the idea of a Nova Europa region very much. Among other things, this should allow us to feel the effects of trade in calculators like NSeconomy.)

Second, I would like to suggest that the threat / military operations classification I outlined in my last post be adopted as the Article 2 of the NEAMC Charter.

Article 3 will deal with forces, detection systems, etc, that are assigned to the NEAMC on a permanent basis. Before I write it up formally, I would like to put forward that each member nation should place 2 airbases in their nation under direct NEAMC control, and each coastal member nation place 1 or 2 naval bases under direct NEAMC control. Member nations with land borders should contribute 1 or 2 army bases in the same manner. Essentially, the NEAMC headquarters in Sussex will have a direct line to the bases in question and will be able to use the forces on those bases as a First Response force against category 2 or category 3 threats as needed.

In addition, I would suggest that our space-powers each contribute a network of 8 Early Warning satellites and 4 spy satellites, as well as ground tracking stations to keep in touch with them. (I believe Ackistan and Trivalvia have space programs, do other members have space programs? Only say 'yes' if you've already had the "(nation name) looks to the stars" issue...)

Article Four should deal with the conditions and level of cooperation we can have with other alliances.

Article Five will deal with nuclear weapons. We've already covered that topic extensively so it should be easy to write. However... Ezaltia, I don't think we would be authorizing the use of nukes even if we were nuked ourselves.

Naasha will then be obliged to contribute naval, army and air force bases to NEAMC, but that is no problem. Well said Trivalvia, Clandonia needed telling, and keep up the good work!

OOC: Duckquackmuse, the alliance is "Nova Europa" not "Nova Europe". That is an easy mistake to make, but figured I'd tell ya.

...sorry, Trivalvia. Was a little hot-headed there.

I also have a space program, I think. *looks at NS page* Yup, I do. We can launch the sattelites within the year.

We also have an extensive coastline, so we can set aside some land to build a few new naval bases. So in a nutshell, these bases will have my men stationed there, but they'll be the first to respond to an NEAMC operation?

OOC: Just created Nova Europa.

OOC: just joined.

OOC: Naasha and Surdun are both in.

Region Created: Please join up


It will provide all Nations in Nova Europa a chance to have a say in the progress of the continent



Hopefully lead towards a more united and peaceful continent, we will be less likely to wage war on each other.



I apologise that perhaps I did this a little swiftly, but we shall reap the rewards sonner, and I feel it is a good time considering the conference is now and many new land claims are coming in and many young nations (such as myself) are joining meaning this region will give them somewhere to go, out of their original region.



I'm not sure whether or not we should have our own forum, this seems a little pointless since there is here and a board at the region. Obviously this is a subject we will need to discuss.


Please make any other comments as to the new region.

And on behalf of the land of Duckquackmuse I would like to thank Trivalvia for all the effort they have put into the conference and area (also for getting rid of Clandonia Prime).

Best Regards

Uum...no offense, but the official region is Ackistan's "Nova EuropA." He just made it, come join us.

Uum...no offense, but the official region is Ackistan's "Nova EuropA." He just made it, come join us.

hahah :D nevermind....anytime any of you guys want to come join Nova Europe lol!

Okay, here's the deal, I've got a number of unnamed ships and I cant find good names for them, so I thought "Why dont let the guys name a few of em'?" and decided to do it.

Here's the list, please submit names, I'll consider them all and announce the winners laterz0r5.
There might be prizes involved.

4 x Indomitable Class Trimaran-Hull Battleships (BBN)
4 x Advance Class Guided-Missile Cruisers (CGN)
6 x Erschoff Class Guided-Missile Destroyers (DDGN)
2 x Meyers Class Guided-Missile Frigates (FFG)

Ezaltia: you got it. :) NEAMC-controlled bases would have a direct, secure link between them and NEAMC HQ. They can't be used to foreign operations nor can they be used by the member nation for other purposes - their purpose is Defense.

Something that occurs to me (and this is going to have to be my last item before I sign off for the night), is that, since we have some smaller and/or pacifist nations here, perhaps we can also suggest a clause in Article 3 on how they can contribute to the NEAMC and the NEA itself. I'll leave that to the rest of you to discuss.

Next week, I should have more reliable access, so I'll be able to respond faster then.

Okay, here's the deal, I've got a number of unnamed ships and I cant find good names for them, so I thought "Why dont let the guys name a few of em'?" and decided to do it.

Here's the list, please submit names, I'll consider them all and announce the winners laterz0r5.
There might be prizes involved.

4 x Indomitable Class Trimaran-Hull Battleships (BBN)
4 x Advance Class Guided-Missile Cruisers (CGN)
6 x Erschoff Class Guided-Missile Destroyers (DDGN)
2 x Meyers Class Guided-Missile Frigates (FFG)


I don't know that I can think of 16 names off the top of my head, but here are a few suggestions...

WSPS Man-O-War
WSPS Mischievous
WSPS Red Tide
WSPS Resilient
WSPS Lethal
WSPS Wyle E. Coyote
WSPS Nutcracker
WSPS Spite
WSPS Malhavok

Hmm...I'll try to think of a few, but here's my naming pattern on ships.

IES (Imperial Ezaltian Ship)...

Aircraft Carriers: Knights of the Round Table (Lancelot, Arthur, Morgan, Guinivere, Tristan, etc.)

Battleships: Sea Monsters(Scylla, Charybdis, Hydra, Kraken, etc)

Cruisers: Famous battles Ezaltia has fought in in the past (Algeria, Illia, Forstvir, Parthenon, etc)

Submarines: Weather phenomenon (Hurricane, Monsoon, Tornado, Thunderhead, Nimbus)

Frigates: Famous military personnel: (Artemis Moonraven, Albert Whittle, Vincent Orion, Alexander Fairclough, Julius Heartwood)

Destroyers: Cities in Ezaltia (Orielle, Verana, Yorkton, Tellifor, Wollrow)

Dreadnoughts (we only have one right now): Random (the only one we have is called the Avatar of Vengeance)

Ezaltia: you got it. :) NEAMC-controlled bases would have a direct, secure link between them and NEAMC HQ. They can't be used to foreign operations nor can they be used by the member nation for other purposes - their purpose is Defense.

Something that occurs to me (and this is going to have to be my last item before I sign off for the night), is that, since we have some smaller and/or pacifist nations here, perhaps we can also suggest a clause in Article 3 on how they can contribute to the NEAMC and the NEA itself. I'll leave that to the rest of you to discuss.
.

Knew it.

Perhaps the smaller nations can supply logistics and medical personnel? Or maybe just straight-up cash?

I'm fine with allowing the alliance to establish a base or two in my nation. My location isn't that great for a naval base, but an air force base or two might be handy.

I have a few satellites in orbit, but I don't really have a space program. Having a quality satellite network at our disposal seems logical. I'll chip in $20 billion for that.

You could establish a naval base on your side of that huge bay right beside Denmark.

You could establish a naval base on your side of that huge bay right beside Denmark.

I have a naval base there already :)

Maybe I could just expand it so the alliance can use it also?

PS. I like the "Wyle E. Coyote" & "Nutcracker" names. Also like the sea monsters.

"Our small coastline is already cluttered with ports and naval bases. We are willing to add to our existing bases to allow them to accommodate more ships, but it doesn't seem sensible for us to build a 3rd naval base in our homeland.

Ackistan does have a colony on an island known as "Madagascar". Perhaps we could meet our obligation by providing an alliance base there? My government believes a base there would be a greater asset to the alliance than another base in Nova Europa.

Your request for alliance air force bases is approved. We offer the alliance one base in our homeland and another in Madagascar. My government also agrees to launch any satellites our alliance may need... within reason.

We are willing to contribute $80 billion towards building these new bases and launching whatever satellites are needed." - Angelina Whittaker

OOC: I will send out a few telegrams to inform people of the new region.

Hmm. how will a base on Madagascar help more than a base in your homeland? I thought this alliance was for continental defense.

But if you want a base there, fine by me, I'm not the boss.


...yet.:p

Hmm. how will a base on Madagascar help more than a base in your homeland? I thought this alliance was for continental defense.

But if you want a base there, fine by me, I'm not the boss.


...yet.:p

My homeland's coastline isn't very long. I already have two naval bases there that can be used by the alliance.

Madagascar could be a convenient place for your ships to refuel, re-arm, do repairs, and have shore leave when they are away from home. Also, Madagascar is within easy striking distance of one of Clandonia Prime's largest territories.

Good point. Right now, though, my only deployed fleet is assisting the UNNS in Naasha. I'll keep your base in mind next time I'm down there.

On a side note, I'm changing my flag from purple to red in a couple days. Just thought I'd let you know.

The Free Land of Dartia agrees to all the proposals that have been presented. We will build NEA air force bases in Sardinia and Sicily. The naval base will be located near Naples.

Money will be diverted from our Commerce budget to launch a series of GPS and Communications satellites.

The alliance can put a few bases on our island if the alliance can meet a few conditions. We must insist base personnel leave their weapons behind and wear civilian clothing when they visit our cities while off duty. Many tourists visit our nation. We don't want to alarm them with weapons and lots of men in military uniforms.

Our island can contribute $15,000,000,000 towards buying satellites. It is against our government's constitution to spend money on weapons, so our donation shouldn't be spent on weapons.

Trivalvia seems hard at work writing our charter. Since Ackistan is first in que to fill the role of military commander of NEA, I figured I would try to get our joint military organized. Trivalvia suggested we have some bases in each member nation, which seems like a good idea.

I made a map showing how our bases could be situated.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p119/Ackistan/base-map.gif

In this map, every member has two air force bases. Most nations have either an alliance naval base or a naval base of their own, which the alliance is permitted to use.

I made a started list of equipment the alliance might like to own. This list is by no means comprehensive, but should give us a good place to start.

22 Air Force Bases
9 Naval Bases
3 Naval Base Upgrades
4 Joint Command Centers
Radar Coverage
Passive Sonar Coverage
20 Missile Launch Warning Satellites
10 Surveillance Satellites
16 GPS Satellites
8 Communication Satellites
3 Weather Tracking Satellites
704 F-22 Raptors (32 at each air force base)
440 C17 Globemasters (20 at each air force base)
44 E3 Sentries (2 at each air force base)
102 MEADS Medium Extended Air Defense Systems (3 batteries at every base)
68 UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopters (2 at every base)
68 Super Lynx Helicopters (2 at every base)

I estimate buying all that stuff will cost around $283,006,000,000. Of course, it will cost more money to keep all the equipment operational. I propose that as an alliance, we try to raise $783,006,000,000 over the next three years. A chunk of that money would be used to purchase the equipment I listed. The rest would serve two purposes. It would be our emergency war chest, but more importantly it would earn interest every year to finance keeping our equipment operational.

Ultimately, I would expect the alliance to want more hardware than I have listed. We will probably want more ABM systems, Satellite Warfare systems, and maybe a coast guard of some kind. This is just a start.

If this sounds appealing to you all, Ackistan will chip in $80 billion now plus $20 billion a year for the next three years ($140 billion total).

OOC: Ive joined Nova Europa

IC: The placement of the bases in my country look fine...Yume Sekai is starting to get a litte millitarised thanks to donations and free giveaways as well as cheap stuff (Cheers Ackistan) I am trying to increase my millitary budget

OOC: Ive joined Nova Europa

IC: The placement of the bases in my country look fine...Yume Sekai is starting to get a litte millitarised thanks to donations and free giveaways as well as cheap stuff (Cheers Ackistan) I am trying to increase my millitary budget

Good deal.

Someone should go to this thread, and claim us some Eurofighters, Sentries, and Hercules for our join military bases. I've already claimed a fair amount of loot from that thread, so I would feel guilty going back hehe

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505497

(OOC: it still remains a mystery to me how you work out how much money you have, I can't find it anywhere. Noob I know)

We would be haapy to fund the air and naval bases that have been map out in the area of Duckquackmuse.

(OOC: it still remains a mystery to me how you work out how much money you have, I can't find it anywhere. Noob I know)

We would be haapy to fund the air and naval bases that have been map out in the area of Duckquackmuse.

Try this link:

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php

OOC: Sorry to invade your thread, but I didn't think you guys would mine me answering him.

Not at all *grins wickedly*

Try this link:

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php

OOC: Sorry to invade your thread, but I didn't think you guys would mine me answering him.

Thankyou!

As for Naasha :D :sniper: hahah

My nation is pretty small, but I think I can swing $60 billion if we are doing it over three years.

We agree to the placement of Air-Force bases on Granatian Soil. We would also like to donate 250 Billion USD to the Cause of buying Equipment.

OOC: I can do this easily. http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=granate
I spend almost 5 Trillion on Defense. :D

We agree to the placement of Air-Force bases on Granatian Soil. We would also like to donate 250 Billion USD to the Cause of buying Equipment.

OOC: I can do this easily. http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=granate
I spend almost 5 Trillion on Defense. :D

Nice. That puts us at $450 billion. We have enough to buy all the equipment. Now we just need to fill the war chest/interest account to keep everything running indefinitely. Shouldn't be too hard. TWSP, Trivalvia, Darta, and North Tolemac are pretty well off. If they can cover the difference, perhaps the others could chip in later for upgrades and additions?

Btw... when I was figuring out our budget, I figured it would be a good idea to have a joint command center in Granate. He is our biggest military spender, so it seems sensible.

What do you think?

We'll pledge 50 Billion USDs per year over a period of 3 years.

OOC: Sorry for not posting earlier, Internet was being a bitch.

We agree to the formation of a Joint Command Center of Granatian Soil. We are also willing to build a HeadQuarters for out alliance in our country.

I like the base map. I'll pledge $30 billion/year for 3 years. We're at $690,000,000,000. Getting close!

I knew you bastards were only after my money. Just kidding.

My commerce budget is a bit overinflated at the moment. I suppose I could divert $50 bil from there every year for the next three.

$840 bil in the pot now.

Why does Clandonia Prime want to fight us so badly?

He is a warmonger, mostly. He also has a serious grudge against Ackistan for the defeats (and ignores) he has suffered in past wars. He dislikes Naasha as he sees himself as a liberator who was forced out of the country and views it as an Ackistani puppet.

Anyway he couldn't take us all on.

He couldn't take me on without resorting to Nuclear Munitions. I am nearly double his nation in population and I spend 5 times as much on Defense.

He does seem willing to resort to this though lol

I think its time we all move on, he's in our waters, but he's not doing anything that really effects us. If certain members feel he is blocking their trade routes or any other shipping then we will have to address this issue but for now I think it is important that we stop fueling this arguement, which is just taking up time. And money, on his behalf.

He can't touch most of us anyway. Who has a major problem with him, which they feel should be addressed, because I think they should state that here then we can try and come to some conclusion.

This arguement is also dragging in certain members of the Dominon Commonwealth. They claim that if one of us joins them they can order CP out of our waters. This is a possible solution. I don't want to join them as I feel they might restrict me in the future and govern who I can't and can't have wars with etc. HOWEVER if there is a serious problem with CP then I might consider joining, for the good of the region etc...

The best way to end this is just to ignore him and let him stay, and I suggest we all do this unless someone has any other issues.

Thoughts?

I would recomend just leaving him too it. If he actually launches any form of attack then I doubt any of his Dominion allies beside possibly Transylvania would come to his aide, and they'd be up against the whole of Nova Europa and probably the world.

Sorry for not posting recently; I was in San Francisco for the weekend.

Good map of the bases, although my naval base would be pretty chilly in the winter. ;)

I could chip in 50 billion or so to acquire the equipment we need. Although might I suggest this for us:

(copied from Emporer Pudu's storefront)

F/A-35 Talon-$62 Million (70,162 sold) *Custom Design*
Function: Air superiority, ground attack, and interceptor
Crew: 1
Engine: Two Pratt & Whitney F120-PW-100 engines and two Pulse Detonation Wave Engines (PDWEs)
Length: 72.08 feet
Wingspan: 56.5 feet
Height: 19.67 feet
Empty Weight: 32,265 lb
Maximum Weight: 71,000 lb
Speed: Mach 5.8 (max.), Mach 1.1 (cruising), Mach 1.9 (afterburners)
Ceiling: 150,000ft
Range: unlimited with air refueling, 3,850 max w/ no refueling
Weapons: One rotating internal weapon launchers, the launcher can hold up to 12 missiles, or 6 bombs. This keeps the airframe sleek and the radar cross-section small. Two 20mm Vulcan cannons mounted on the left and right sides behind the cockpit. Compatable with; AIM-150 Scorpion AELRAAM, AIM-120 AMRAAM, AIM-7 Sparrow, AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-120 AMRAAM, AGM-160 Hammer AELRAGM, AGM-154A, AGM-154B, AGM-154C, AGM-136A, AGM-158, AGM-84 Harpoon, AGM-98 Swordfish AELRASM, Most of the GBU class of dumb and laser guided bombs.


It's a very sexy plane.

I think its time we all move on, he's in our waters, but he's not doing anything that really effects us. If certain members feel he is blocking their trade routes or any other shipping then we will have to address this issue but for now I think it is important that we stop fueling this arguement, which is just taking up time. And money, on his behalf.

He can't touch most of us anyway. Who has a major problem with him, which they feel should be addressed, because I think they should state that here then we can try and come to some conclusion.

This arguement is also dragging in certain members of the Dominon Commonwealth. They claim that if one of us joins them they can order CP out of our waters. This is a possible solution. I don't want to join them as I feel they might restrict me in the future and govern who I can't and can't have wars with etc. HOWEVER if there is a serious problem with CP then I might consider joining, for the good of the region etc...

The best way to end this is just to ignore him and let him stay, and I suggest we all do this unless someone has any other issues.

Thoughts?


Transylvania just wants to turn you into a puppet. Neither DC or Clandonia Prime will attack. It is just a bluff.

Clandonia Prime recently tried something similar to what he is doing now. When he started acting up, he was chased off by a gazillion nations.

OOC: concerning CP, I agree that we should ignore him for now. If he continues to cause trouble and fails to respect basic rules of RP, I would vote we put a Regional Ignore on him - i.e. we do not respond to any of his posts again. I'm also against one of us joining the DC for the same reasons that Ackistan mentioned. I don't want to make an enemy of the DC, but at the same time, I am not ready to declare them friend.

Which brings up an important point, and one which will go into the nature of Article III - how DO we deal with other alliances, especially if some of us are already members in them? I'm open to ideas here...

Also: moved my nation to the Nova Europa region.

Concerning bases: bases can be either donated out of existing forces or built whole. I'm leaning a little on the NORAD model for this concept - in RL NORAD, Canada and the US each set aside a few air bases to answer to NORAD HQ in Colorado Springs. Same idea here.

I like the idea of the more pacifist nations providing medical supplies - I would also recommend that they can provide civilian peacekeepers (police officers, engineers) as well as humanitarian aid to either shore up foreign peacekeeping operations, as well as providing relief to member nations under attack. The full burden of such operations should not fall on the pacifist nations alone, however, especially if the need would outstrip their economies.

I'm not so hot on the idea of pacifist nations having to provide logistics (by which I assume you mean that they have supply bases on their soil). Such bases will have to be guarded - during peacetime, the presence of soldiers might sour local public opinion against the Alliance. During wartime, the base presence would make the supporting nation a priority target for an enemy attack. Suggestions on how we can protect such nations while not antagonizing their populations or making them into targets?

IC: Trivalvia is willing to donate the airbase and naval force base on Esther Island (large island to the north on my map, see factbook) as well as the naval force base and airbase on Isle d'Monovalve as its first response bases to the allied Military Command. We are also setting aside US$55,000,000,000 per annum from our defense budget to aid the NEA.

One of our member natoins, Duckquackmuse, responded to threats made against us by the Dominion Commonwealth by requesting persmission to join their alliance. My government considers this to be a traitorous act of the highest order.

We wish to call for a vote as to whether or not this nation should be ejected from our alliance.

One of our member natoins, Duckquackmuse, responded to threats made against us by the Dominion Commonwealth by requesting persmission to join their alliance. My government considers this to be a traitorous act of the highest order.

We wish to call for a vote as to whether or not this nation should be ejected from our alliance.

I vote we let them stay, for the moment.

I agree with TWSP. However, we should try to get her to leave the DC.

I honestly don't care. She can do whatever she wants. I mean, I've thought about joining the DC a few times.

But still, she's joining a...for lack of a better term, an "alliance" that is actively threatening us. Honestly, I think Transy just wants more puppets.

"Joining the Dominion Commonwealth is one thing. Doing it while they are threatening us is completely different.

My government is not willing to sign an agreement at this time, which includes a non-aggression pact with Duckquackmuse. We need to be able to strike Duckquackmuse if Clandonia Prime attempts to establish basing rights there." - Angelina Whittaker



OOC: I agree with Trivalvia that an alliance wide ignoring of Clandonia Prime (and possibly Transylvania) is in order.

"The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers..." - Dante's Inferno

If all we do is evict them, then they are getting off lightly I say.



Yes. We should ignore Clandonia Prime forever. Transylvania too.

Agreed. But if they ever try this shit again....

On a side note, I just got 10,000 Su-37s from Asgarnieu. Perhaps they'll be useful to the NEAMC.

I try not to overreact, but it is pretty hard to ignore Duckquackmuse joining up with the first group to threaten us. We believe they should be given an opportunity to change their mind, then cut loose if they don't.

I agree with the others who have said we should ignore Clandonia Prime. He definitely has some issues that make role-playing with him challenging and not fun.

Having given the matter a little more thought. If we choose to ignore Clandonia Prime, Duckquackmuse should be allowed to stay.

OOC: The Dominion Commonwealth didn’t threaten you because I didn’t threaten you. You are just listening to a member, who does not have the power to threaten with the Dominion Commonwealth's power, that said that. They were hollow threats from CP. If I threaten you, I want to see evidence about that?

And please learn more about the Dominion Commonwealth before you cry out “Honestly, I think Trans just wants more puppets.” They are not puppets, they are members of a brotherhood. I'm just the bigger brother of the group.

And don’t force people to things because that makes you look like bullies. If she wants to stay in the DC, she can stay because you already have one of members in NE.

Ack's problem is with CP not the whole Dominion Commonwealth.

You have already said that Clandonia Prime had your approval to start his thread (and that you rejected his proposal to launch a nuke from orbit). I also know you saw Ackistan's post that said he was not interested in another thread with Clandonia Prime. Why did you give Clandonia Prime permission to start a thread anyway?

I will ignore Caldnoia Prime too. He doesn't hassle me as much as you guys, but I have read a few of the threads leading up to this point. Ignoring him seems justified.

I do think we should hold off on ignoring Transylvania. His threads do seem prone to OOC fights, but I think he will leave us alone after we ignore Caldnonia Prime.

You have already said that Clandonia Prime had your approval to start his thread (and that you rejected his proposal to launch a nuke from orbit). I also know you saw Ackistan's post that said he was not interested in another thread with Clandonia Prime. Why did you give Clandonia Prime permission to start a thread anyway?

OOC: All of that OOC. Please write OOC. I didn’t give him permission, I just told him not to use nukes. He did that. He made the thread for more then Ack, he made it because of everyone of you. And I told him to just leave y’all only, so he moving his fleet out of the area.

But you didn’t say anything about the other list in my post. That is what needs to be address.

I will ignore Caldnoia Prime too. He doesn't hassle me as much as you guys, but I have read a few of the threads leading up to this point. Ignoring him seems justified.

I do think we should hold off on ignoring Transylvania. His threads do seem prone to OOC fights, but I think he will leave us alone after we ignore Caldnonia Prime.

OOC: You don’t need to ignore CP because I told him to leave you alone and that is what he is doing. The main reason my threads go to OOC yelling is that the people I’m role-playing with like to go back on deal that have already been agreed on. And the fact tha tI got pushed in to something I didn't want to do. Right now, everything is okay in that thread.

[OOC] hm... this thread seems to be getting tangled...

Transylvania, despite the current unpleasantness, I'm not wishing for our two alliances to become enemies. I envisioned the NEA initially as a NORAD-like organization, good for mutual defense, but not overly binding with respect to other alliances. Of course, if we had member nations belonging to different alliances that were openly hostile to each other, then that would be a problem. I was hoping we would have time to hammer out formal policy and have it enshrined in the NEA charter, but... *sighs*

As the fellow delegates are by now aware, Ackistan, one of the nations attending this conference, has launched a large-scale nuclear assault against Clandonia Prime. We all have had reason to fear and distrust Clandonia Prime, but this does not justify the actions that Ackistan has taken.

Therefore, though our charter is by no means complete and our organization is still in pieces, I must bring a resolution to vote by the other delegates:

Resolved: that the NEA does not support Ackistan's actions, and will not provide offensive support. The NEA will, however, defend its member nations from conventional or nuclear retalation to the best of its ability.

We will also have to determine what response, if any, we must make with regards to Ackistan's actions:

Should war be averted, we ask that Ackistan be suspended for a period of 6 NS months from the NEA, and that its nuclear arsenal be dismantled. Should Ackistan be devastated by nuclear response, we ask that the other nations comprising the NEA at this time dispatch peacekeeper forces to occupy the country until it can stand on its own feet once again.

Finally, this incident has brought home the incredible danger of our members harbouring nuclear weapons. [I]Nuclear Weapons are not a deterrent. They are a temptation, a danger to us all. Because of this, I ask for the following change in our nuclear policy:

The NEA will not possess nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. Member nations possessing such weapons must have them dismantled. Technology to defend against enemy nuclear, chemical, or biological attacks will be shared freely between member nations.

I now ask for a Yea or Nay vote on each of these issues by all delegates. The time we have before Ackistan's missiles hit their targets sadly means that we will not be able to debate these issues properly.

Trivalvia votes YEA to all three issues.

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Transylvania, despite the current unpleasantness, I'm not wishing for our two alliances to become enemies. I envisioned the NEA initially as a NORAD-like organization, good for mutual defense, but not overly binding with respect to other alliances. Of course, if we had member nations belonging to different alliances that were openly hostile to each other, then that would be a problem. I was hoping we would have time to hammer out formal policy and have it enshrined in the NEA charter, but... *sighs*

As the fellow delegates are by now aware, Ackistan, one of the nations attending this conference, has launched a large-scale nuclear assault against Clandonia Prime. We all have had reason to fear and distrust Clandonia Prime, but this does not justify the actions that Ackistan has taken.

Therefore, though our charter is by no means complete and our organization is still in pieces, I must bring a resolution to vote by the other delegates:

Resolved: that the NEA does not support Ackistan's actions, and will not provide offensive support. The NEA will, however, defend its member nations from conventional or nuclear retalation to the best of its ability.

We will also have to determine what response, if any, we must make with regards to Ackistan's actions:

Should war be averted, we ask that Ackistan be suspended for a period of 6 NS months from the NEA, and that its nuclear arsenal be dismantled. Should Ackistan be devastated by nuclear response, we ask that the other nations comprising the NEA at this time dispatch peacekeeper forces to occupy the country until it can stand on its own feet once again.

Finally, this incident has brought home the incredible danger of our members harbouring nuclear weapons. [I]Nuclear Weapons are not a deterrent. They are a temptation, a danger to us all. Because of this, I ask for the following change in our nuclear policy:

The NEA will not possess nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. Member nations possessing such weapons must have them dismantled. Technology to defend against enemy nuclear, chemical, or biological attacks will be shared freely between member nations.

I now ask for a Yea or Nay vote on each of these issues by all delegates. The time we have before Ackistan's missiles hit their targets sadly means that we will not be able to debate these issues properly.

Trivalvia votes YEA to all three issues.

Chellis, while not a voting member, suggests the alliance at the least to not pass the third issue. WMD are a deterrent. Just because one nation has made a very bad choice with them, doesn't mean they aren't.

In this world, those without nuclear weapons are much easier to pick on.

Resolved: that the NEA does not support Ackistan's actions, and will not provide offensive support. The NEA will, however, defend its member nations from conventional or nuclear retalation to the best of its ability.

Naasha votes for this resolution, the NEA must provide a defence to all of it's member nations. We encourage NEAMC ABM systems to engage nuclear missiles destined to any NEAMC member.

Should war be averted, we ask that Ackistan be suspended for a period of 6 NS months from the NEA, and that its nuclear arsenal be dismantled. Should Ackistan be devastated by nuclear response, we ask that the other nations comprising the NEA at this time dispatch peacekeeper forces to occupy the country until it can stand on its own feet once again.

Naasha votes against this motion, after the continued threats of nuclear attack by hostile nations we feel it necessary for any country to have the right to a nuclear armament, although we do not condone it's first strike use.

The NEA will not possess nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. Member nations possessing such weapons must have them dismantled. Technology to defend against enemy nuclear, chemical, or biological attacks will be shared freely between member nations.

Naasha votes against this motion for the reasons stated above. However we are prepared to accept this motion were the possession of nuclear weapons clause removed.

One of our member natoins, Duckquackmuse, responded to threats made against us by the Dominion Commonwealth by requesting persmission to join their alliance. My government considers this to be a traitorous act of the highest order.

We wish to call for a vote as to whether or not this nation should be ejected from our alliance.

Ignoring all the banter from other nations although I could rebut many of the points made.

I did not respond to threats by the DC. I did not join the DC because we were under threat from one of their members, we did because we wished the help and support from the other members of the alliance, mainly in the military way of things.

As for "traitorous act" I find this comment highly hipocritical. I thought one of reasons you did not agree with the DC was because it dragged all its members into wars together, "governed" them, etc? Can't you see by threating to chuck me out of NE your doing EXACTLY the same thing? Personally, unlike CP, I would rather fight my own wars and not have the DC become involved in my disputes, but if I was being threatened by a larger country etc I would be gratefull of the help the DC would be able to offer to me. And voting to whether I should be ejected!?

"Joining the Dominion Commonwealth is one thing. Doing it while they are threatening us is completely different." THEY aren't threatening, you are ridiculous, CP just tried to wind you up, and the DC didn't have anything to do with it. And even CP wasn't doing anything, and ws leaving when you starting getting it all going together." They were not threatening you! CP was moving away and even so he did not threaten you! You only made the matter worse.

"My government is not willing to sign an agreement at this time, which includes a non-aggression pact with Duckquackmuse. We need to be able to strike Duckquackmuse if Clandonia Prime attempts to establish basing rights there." - Angelina Whittaker

You will not strike Duckquackmuse, don't even try to threaten this. For one: Even as a member of the DC I will not allow such an unstable oath as CP to enter my territory. And I refuse to be caught in the crossfire of this ridiculous bitter feud going on between you two, if he does enter my base under grounds of he "DC". MY people deserve the right to live in peace.

For someone that almost got Nova Europa dragged into an unessecary war, I think you should rethink your proposal to eject a perfectly resonable and peaceful member as myself. While I was helping to difuse the situation with CP you were recklessy handing out provokative ultimatums.

I shall be extreemly offend if any vote of such kind is held. Not least because it questions my integrity and loyalty to this region.

President of Duckquackmuse, (I'm afraid so) Lord Governor.

YS votes YEA to the first two but NAY to last....We feel all NEA Nations should have means to own Nukes but No First Strike

Resolved: that the NEA does not support Ackistan's actions, and will not provide offensive support. The NEA will, however, defend its member nations from conventional or nuclear retalation to the best of its ability.

YEA

Should war be averted, we ask that Ackistan be suspended for a period of 6 NS months from the NEA, and that its nuclear arsenal be dismantled. Should Ackistan be devastated by nuclear response, we ask that the other nations comprising the NEA at this time dispatch peacekeeper forces to occupy the country until it can stand on its own feet once again.

YEA

The NEA will not possess nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. Member nations possessing such weapons must have them dismantled. Technology to defend against enemy nuclear, chemical, or biological attacks will be shared freely between member nations.

YEA, we will not need deterrents if we have proper technology to protect us.

OOC: Totals so far, Trivalvia can declare when the voting ends, I'll edit this as more votes are placed.

Resolved: that the NEA does not support Ackistan's actions, and will not provide offensive support. The NEA will, however, defend its member nations from conventional or nuclear retalation to the best of its ability.

Votes for: 7
Votes against: 0

Should war be averted, we ask that Ackistan be suspended for a period of 6 NS months from the NEA, and that its nuclear arsenal be dismantled. Should Ackistan be devastated by nuclear response, we ask that the other nations comprising the NEA at this time dispatch peacekeeper forces to occupy the country until it can stand on its own feet once again.

Votes for: 5
Votes against: 2

The NEA will not possess nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. Member nations possessing such weapons must have them dismantled. Technology to defend against enemy nuclear, chemical, or biological attacks will be shared freely between member nations.

Votes for: 3
Votes against: 3
Abstained from voting: 1

By the Way in case you missed it at the bottom of the last page a posted a long rant how I should be allowed to do whatever I like.

Ackistan this was mainly aimed at you.

For

For

No Opinion

1) For

2) For

3) Against. But Nuclear Weapons should be banned.

Votes added.

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Transylvania, despite the current unpleasantness, I'm not wishing for our two alliances to become enemies. I envisioned the NEA initially as a NORAD-like organization, good for mutual defense, but not overly binding with respect to other alliances. Of course, if we had member nations belonging to different alliances that were openly hostile to each other, then that would be a problem. I was hoping we would have time to hammer out formal policy and have it enshrined in the NEA charter, but... *sighs*

As the fellow delegates are by now aware, Ackistan, one of the nations attending this conference, has launched a large-scale nuclear assault against Clandonia Prime. We all have had reason to fear and distrust Clandonia Prime, but this does not justify the actions that Ackistan has taken.

Therefore, though our charter is by no means complete and our organization is still in pieces, I must bring a resolution to vote by the other delegates:

Resolved: that the NEA does not support Ackistan's actions, and will not provide offensive support. The NEA will, however, defend its member nations from conventional or nuclear retalation to the best of its ability.

We will also have to determine what response, if any, we must make with regards to Ackistan's actions:

Should war be averted, we ask that Ackistan be suspended for a period of 6 NS months from the NEA, and that its nuclear arsenal be dismantled. Should Ackistan be devastated by nuclear response, we ask that the other nations comprising the NEA at this time dispatch peacekeeper forces to occupy the country until it can stand on its own feet once again.

Finally, this incident has brought home the incredible danger of our members harbouring nuclear weapons. [I]Nuclear Weapons are not a deterrent. They are a temptation, a danger to us all. Because of this, I ask for the following change in our nuclear policy:

The NEA will not possess nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. Member nations possessing such weapons must have them dismantled. Technology to defend against enemy nuclear, chemical, or biological attacks will be shared freely between member nations.



Yes

No

Yes

By the way, I don't know about you guys, but I'm sending CP and Transylvania 100 billion USD each to aid reconstruction. I request that you all do the same.

By the way, I don't know about you guys, but I'm sending CP and Transylvania 100 billion USD each to aid reconstruction. I request that you all do the same.

My government has better things to spend our money on. So does yours.

By the way, I don't know about you guys, but I'm sending CP and Transylvania 100 billion USD each to aid reconstruction. I request that you all do the same.

Like hell I will!

Added TWSP's votes.

And I'll be dammed if I give Clandonia a single cent.

Nations voted:

Trivalvia,
Naasha,
Yume Sekai
Duckquackmuse
The World Soviet Party
Granate,
Ezaltia

I believe we're still waiting on another 4-5 nations to vote. To be fair, the vote will end in another 5 hours (3 PM EST). Nations not voted by then will be listed as having abstained.

On the issue of reparations, I think that Ackistan should be the one to give them, not us. But if any member nation does decide to give aid to the nations attacked, I recommend it being in the form of food, medicine, clothing, rather than money. I believe we can trust Transylvania for the moment but handing money to Clandonia Prime means that he'll likely spend it on weapons rather than rebuilding.

Were our countries effected by the nukes?

Were our countries effected by the nukes?

OOC: They should be affected after I launched my last strike....

As yet we have no knowledge on fallout paths across Nova Europa, Naasha requests information on the latest weather trends across the continent so we can ensure our citizens are safe from radioactive fallout.

+2 would be useful. What's the latest on our position on Ackistan are we chucking him out or suspending him or?

As for the bases and such I don't mind putting them in how much do the cost etc?

Clandonia has reported that it has launched "several thousand high yield warheads" at Ackistan, and Ackistan has stated that it will effectively cease to exist once those warheads hit. And that's not counting the warheads AMF has launched.

From this, we can expect that Ackistan will effectively be glass by the time the war RP ends. I'll leave the decision up to Ackistan whether he'll leave the region or not, but there won't be an Ackistan for us to expel, suspend, or take over. Further: Leafanistan is sending forces to clean up and presumably occupy where Ackistan once was. At worst, this means we'll have a potentially hostile colony on our continent.

Now: the exchange of warheads has presented us with a real nasty RP problem. With hundreds of warheads detonated on both sides, we've entered a "Long Winter" if not a true "Nuclear Winter" scenario. Enough dust has been thrown up to dim the sun, and temperatures will start to drop for anywhere from the next five to the next hundred years, game time.

Actual radioactive fallout will likely affect Mainland Trivalvia and any cities and towns on the Ackistan-TWSP border (I'm assuming wind patterns going from northeast to southwest on the northern part of our continent). Yume Sekai might get some fallout scattered across their lands, but it should be minimal. All other nations in Nova Europa should be safe from fallout.

So, do we as a group want to:

a) RP a nuclear winter? (remember this will be a true Ice Age scenario - our nations will likely not survive the period, and we might not even hold together as a civilization for a fraction of that period. At its end, glaciers will be gradually creeping across the continent and might remain present for thousands of years. It will not be nice).

b) RP a long winter? (we'll experience significant temperature drops with associated crop failure and gradual regrowth of glaciers, but this will pass over the next game decade)

c) RP fallout damage only?

Personally, I go with b).

As for the vote:
Resolved: that the NEA does not support Ackistan's actions, and will not provide offensive support. The NEA will, however, defend its member nations from conventional or nuclear retalation to the best of its ability.

Votes for: 7
Votes against: 0

Should war be averted, we ask that Ackistan be suspended for a period of 6 NS months from the NEA, and that its nuclear arsenal be dismantled. Should Ackistan be devastated by nuclear response, we ask that the other nations comprising the NEA at this time dispatch peacekeeper forces to occupy the country until it can stand on its own feet once again.

Votes for: 5
Votes against: 2

The NEA will not possess nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. Member nations possessing such weapons must have them dismantled. Technology to defend against enemy nuclear, chemical, or biological attacks will be shared freely between member nations.

Votes for: 3
Votes against: 3
Abstained from voting: 1

Voting is now CLOSED. If you have not voted, you're listed as having "abstained".

Resolutions One and Two pass. Resolution Three, however, remains undecided. For simplicity's sake, we'll list it as "failed", and will resume discussion after the rest of this sorry mess is resolved.

I'm still working on the Charter, and I promise I will have a full draft for Friday.

Of course, our next concern must be the remains of the Ackistani nation. Obviously that territory is going to be completely unsuitable for colonisation for years, but we fear that Freekish or other not necessarily friendly forces may establish bases there.

Agreed, Naasha, and - worse - any attempt to stop them will likely suck us all into a war we could lose. I personally think we'll have to declare that whole area as "hostile territory" and set up guard stations and listening posts along the Trivalvian and TWSP borders.

Dammit, if Ackistan wanted to self-destruct, why couldn't he have waited until we were fully organized?

So, do we as a group want to:

a) RP a nuclear winter? (remember this will be a true Ice Age scenario - our nations will likely not survive the period, and we might not even hold together as a civilization for a fraction of that period. At its end, glaciers will be gradually creeping across the continent and might remain present for thousands of years. It will not be nice).

b) RP a long winter? (we'll experience significant temperature drops with associated crop failure and gradual regrowth of glaciers, but this will pass over the next game decade)

c) RP fallout damage only?

Personally, I go with b).

I'm still working on the Charter, and I promise I will have a full draft for Friday.

God damn! Why did he have to drag us down with him? I think b) is the the most plausible option, even though I'm tempted to go for c)

Cool, looking foward to the charter.

Perhaps it could be wise to deploy NEAMC forces to the area, the invaders obviously aren't going to find anything to shoot at and if we move in under the guise of trying to save Ackistani citizens (which is worthwhile anyway) then we may be able to grab some or all of the land. We certainly have more of a claim to it than many.

Chellis has offered to send 50,000 troops trained in Radioactive clean-up and medical aid to various nations of NEA, if you will have them. They are un-armed, and won't wear military outfits. Free of charge, obviously.

Im allowing the Ackistanis to set up a goverment in exile in TWSP, kinda like Poland and France did in England during WWII.

I'd go for option b on the fallout thingy. My nation is already pretty damn cold, though.

Wow. It looks like the whole nuclear exchange is about to be retconned into oblivion. If that's the case, we won't have to worry about fallout or foreign troops setting up shop on Ackistani soil.

I'm still working on the charter, but depending on what is decided, the charter might get a few changes to it before being viewed (some of what I'm putting in it was based on the events that almost 'derailed' our conference here...)

Here it is... the Draft Charter of the Nova Europa Alliance. This covers a lot of material, including our governing body for the alliance itself. The last chapter is incomplete, but it's mostly 'fluff' - what I've got here should be enough for us to work on.

Forgive the lack of formatting - we can get fancy with the look later:

(Draft) Charter of the Nova Europa Alliance

Preamble:
We, the peoples of Nova Europa, determined:

To preserve the peace and security of this continent, and to defend it from external threats,
To uphold basic human rights, and recognize the rights of all peoples on this continent,
To promote conditions under which justice is served, and
To improve quality of life for all who live on this continent,

have resolved to combine our resources and forces to accomplish these ends.

Accordingly, our respective governments, through representatives assembled in the city of Sussex, have agreed to the present Charter of the Nova Europa Alliance and do hereby establish a continental organization to be known as the Nova Europa Alliance.

Chapter 1: General Organization.
Article 1: The recognized leader of the Nova Europa Alliance, hereafter referred to as the NEA, will be the Secretary-General.
Article 2: The Secretary-General shall be elected by a majority vote of the member nations of the NEA, as represented in the General Assembly.
Article 3: A Legislative body will be established to shape NEA policy, and will be called the General Assembly.
Article 4: A military command structure, linking all radar and early-warning systems, and maintaining a series of ground, air, and naval bases in the various member nations, will be established to coordinate defense of the continent and to oversee military operations outside of the continent as authorized by the General Assembly, and will be called the NEA Military Command.
Article 5: A continental court shall be established to arbitrate legal disputes between member-nations and between citizens of member-nations, and to serve as a war-crimes tribunal, and will be called the Nova Europa Continental Court.
Article 6: An oversight organization will be established to promote free and fair trade between member nations and will be called the Nova Europan Trade Organization.
Article 7: An organization will be established to oversee efforts in all member nations to properly feed and maintain medical care of the member-population, and will be called the Nova Europan Food and Health Organization.

Chapter 2: The NEA General Assembly
Article 8: The NEA General Assembly, hereafter referred to as the General Assembly, will be the main decision-making body of the NEA. The General Assembly will consist of 2 representatives from each member-nation and its head will be the President.
Article 9: The General Assembly will have the authority to elect a new Secretary-General once every five years, requiring a 75% vote for a candidate to be accepted. The Secretary-General shall be limited to no more than 3 consecutive terms, and no two consecutive Secretary-Generals may come from the same member-nation.
Article 10: The General Assembly will have the authority to select a new Commander-General for the NEA Military Command, drawing from the primary commanding officer of each member-nation's military. A 75% vote is required to accept a candidate.
Article 11: The General Assembly will have the authority to remove a Secretary-General or Commander-General from office prior to the end of their term, should sufficient evidence be provided that said Secretary-General or Commander-General has either abused their priviledges or neglected their duties. A unanimous vote is required for a request to remove a Secretary-General or a Commander-General to pass.
Article 12: The General Assembly will have the authority to issue resolutions, both binding and non-binding, regarding NEA policy. Any member nation may submit a resolution for debate and voting to the General Assembly. A period of up to one week is set aside for debate, then a vote will be called. A 75% vote will be required for a resolution to pass. Passed resolutions will be enforced by one or more of the other divisions of the NEA.
Article 13: The General Assembly will have the authority to amend this Charter, based on a unanimous vote in favor of the amendment. Amendments will be listed as a seperate Article in the Charter, referring to the Chapter and Article the Amendment affects. Proposed Amendments must have the sponsorship of no less than three member-nations and must be debated by a period of no less than one week and no greater than one month before a vote is called.

Chapter 3: The NEA Military Command
Article 14: The NEA Military Command, hereafter referred to as the NEAMC, will be the military arm of the NEA.
Article 15: NEAMC will have a headquarters established in a subsurface bunker complex outside the city of Sussex in Trivalvia. There will be 3 secondary headquarters established in Wanderjar, Dartia, and The World Soviet Party, that will be linked to each other and to the primary headquarters. This is to insure a functioning command chain in the event that one of these headquarter complexes is either destroyed or otherwise compromised in the event of crisis or war.
Article 16: The NEA will permit member-nations to retain arsenals of nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons, but will not permit their use as a first-strike option, and will discourage proliferation of said weapons within the NEA.
Article 17: The NEAMC will have override control over all member-nation non-conventional armaments (defined as chemical, nuclear, or biological weapons) except where member-nations have already ceded control of said armaments to other alliances, such as the Dominion Commonwealth. This override control will allow the NEAMC to prevent or abort any member-nation's attempt to use said armaments in contravention to the policy as defined in Article 16.
Article 18: Each member nation will maintain an early-warning network, be it ground, sea, air, or space-based, in accordance with each member-nation's capacity to develop such networks. These networks will be linked both to the defense systems of the member nation, and directly to all four headquarter complexes as defined in Article 15.
Article 19: Each member-nation will either donate or construct no less than 2 ground, air, and naval bases that will be linked directly to the four headquarter complexes, to serve as a first response military force. This military force will be called the NEA Defense Forces, and is to be used only to respond to foreign invasions of NEA member nations.
Article 20: Should the NEAMC determine that the NEA Defense Forces will be insufficient to repel an invasion, then the NEAMC has the authority to request additional forces from any and all member nations for the duration of the crisis or war.
Article 21: The NEAMC does not have the authority nor the right to arbitrarily declare war on an external nation or alliance, unless said nation or alliance matches the definition of a Known Aggressor as defined in Chapter 4 of this Charter. Neither will any member-nation arbitrarily declare war on an external nation or alliance, unless said nation or alliance matches the definition of a Known Aggressor as defined in Chapter 4 of this Charter.
Article 22: Nothing in this Charter shall prevent any member nation from defending its borders against external threats.
Article 23: Pacifist nations are exempt from the military forces requirement in Article 19, but in turn must contribute humanitarian aid and/or civilian peacekeepers (defined as medical personnel, police officers, and engineers) to support any NEAMC operation.
Article 24: All member-nations are required to share technology capable of defending against chemical, nuclear, and biological attacks. It will be the responsibility of each member nation to build and maintain such defensive systems to the extent that they are capable and that they believe is necessary to provide optimal protection. Any member-nation requiring assistance with such construction may call on the NEA General Assembly for limited assistance.

Chapter 4: Military Actions and Threats to the Continent
Article 25: The NEAMC will be able to conduct operations in three different categories: Foriegn Operations, Localized Invasion, and Large-Scale Invasion.
Article 26: Foreign operations (peacekeeping, enforcement): NEAMC will have command of units donated from the various militaries in the Nova Europa Alliance for the duration of the operation. Command of the operation will likely be assigned to a commander selected by the NEAMC Commander-General; this commander will report directly to the NEAMC headquarters.
Article 27: The NEAMC will be able to conduct a Foriegn Operation against a nation, corporation, or alliance that has proven to be a Known Aggressor.
Article 28: In order for a nation, corporation, or alliance to be classified as a Known Aggressor, said nation, corporation, or alliance must meet the following criteria. First, the Aggressor must have invaded or conquered one or more nations without provocation or cause. Second, the Aggressor must be recognized as such by other major alliances. Third, it must be judged that conducting a Foreign Operation against a Known Aggressor will not put the NEA in greater jeopardy than leaving said Aggressor alone.
Article 29: Limited Invasion is defined as one or several foreign powers has declared war / invaded one or more nations belonging to the NEA. If the forces arrayed against the NEA are small, then local militaries will have autonomy in dealing with the invaders and will provide reports of the battle to NEAMC headquarters. Should one nation require military aid, the Commander-General can request forces as the situation dictates from other member nations, and assign a field commander to those forces.
Article 30: Large-Scale Invasion is defined as a foreign power, be it a nation, corporation, or alliance, has brought and can support either an overwhelming force against one member nation or forces of sufficient threat against more than one member nation. Such an attack would classify as a Threat to the Continent and will be treated as an act of war against the entire alliance. NEAMC will then assume full command of all member nation militaries to deal with the invasion, and will also consider counter-attack options against the aggressor should the invasion be successfully broken.

Chapter 5: Other Divisions
<to be completed - this deals with the NEA court, the NEA trade organization, and the NEA Food and Health organization>

Please read this through thuroughly before agreeing to it - there's a lot of material here and I want to be sure we are all okay with it before we bind ourselves to it.

Naasha will gladly accept the charter as laid out above. The General Assembly needs some clarification; how many delegates will attend, one from each nation in the alliance?

OOC: Since when is Wanderjar in the NEA? He's apart of the Dominion.

So is Duckquackmuse. Apparently we're letting people be part of both at the same time.

VERY nice charter, Trivalvia. Should we start submitting candidates for Secretary-General?

Also, does anybody mind me being the UN Delegate or our region?

*Standing Ovation*

I'll gladly sign this charter, it has my full approval. Congratulations Trivalvia on such a fine document.

I'll sign it as well.

Agreed

/signs document

I would like to add that I believe our alliance should be bound by the Geneva Conventions.

The Dartian government is still considering this alliance. We would join without reservation if Duckquackmuse and Yume Sekai weren't members. After their betrayal, we are having difficulty pledging our nation to come to their defense.

Nova Europa still comes first

And besides they didnt let ne in.....I was only going to steal weapons for Nova Europa then bugger off lol :D

Yume Sekai Signs

The Dartian government is still considering this alliance. We would join without reservation if Duckquackmuse and Yume Sekai weren't members. After their betrayal, we are having difficulty pledging our nation to come to their defense.

Betrayal, what betrayl?

If your talking about the DC then I've already explained my feelings on those that stupidly think that is betryal (couple of pages back) I don't think for a moment I'm leaving the NE, if you don't sign the charter that's your loss and as far as I'm concerned, nothing to do with me.

"Article 12: The General Assembly will have the authority to issue resolutions, both binding and non-binding, regarding NEA policy. Any member nation may submit a resolution for debate and voting to the General Assembly. A period of up to one week is set aside for debate, then a vote will be called. A 75% vote will be required for a resolution to pass. Passed resolutions will be enforced by one or more of the other divisions of the NEA."

This is the only part of the charater which I think maybe a little off tilt shall we say, however as long as we don't pass any stupid resolutions I have no problem with it.

*signs charter*

OOC: will there be an official signing event for the media etc?

Nova Europa still comes first

And besides they didnt let ne in.....I was only going to steal weapons for Nova Europa then bugger off lol :D

Yume Sekai Signs

I dont trust them (ICily), plus, stealing weapons would have caused more problems for us.
Thus, I vote Yume Sekai is kept outside the Alliance (at least on the military side).

Betrayal, what betrayl?

If your talking about the DC then I've already explained my feelings on those that stupidly think that is betryal (couple of pages back) I don't think for a moment I'm leaving the NE, if you don't sign the charter that's your loss and as far as I'm concerned, nothing to do with me.

You have your precious DC now, as with Yume Sekai, I vote he is kept outside the alliance.

We agree to the terms and conditions set forth by the NEA charter.

Dartia makes a very good point. Duckquackmuse joined up with the first group to come along and threaten us. We don't need them.

We have no problem with any of the nations that joined the Dominion Commonwealth before or after the Clandonia Prime crisis. NEA nations should be free to pursue other alliances. We are only bothered by Duckquackmuse joining the Dominion Commonwealth while they were actively threatening three of our members.