NationStates Jolt Archive

DEFUNCT
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NEW ALLIANCE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540802)

Official Clandonian Response
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The government of Clandonia would be honoured to join this new alliance, everyday we fear the rise of communism around the World, seeing on the news of the suffering of people as the opressive Bolshiviks silence free enterprise and inventions.

We will stand together with the great nation of Questers in ACTO, we pledge military and monetary age to any nation that is threatened by the spread of the red menace.

For the Empire!

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL STATEMENT

Although the nation of Questers is one the Imperium has butted heads with in the past (and indeed a state of war has been declared to exist between our people and theirs), the feeling of the Sacred Emperor is that the threat of the filthy Communists is so great that all nations that oppose it must band together. His Divine Majesty wishes to make it clear that while the Imperium and the United Kingdom shall and must remain hostile, this is a situation that requires cooperation, as distasteful as it may be to both parties.

Firstly, the Imperium wishes to state that private corporations do exist (and prosperously) in the Empire; they may take legal action against the Imperium, and have in the past; and the Imperium strongly encourages entrepreneurship among the citizens of the Empire, as it feels that rigid social hierarchies are the enemy of a truly powerful state. Similarly, Imperial policy is to act (save for a few exceptional cases) within the bounds of law at all times; law is a fundamental pillar of Imperial society, and for the Imperium to disregard it would destroy a major part of principled existence.

Secondly, the Imperium assures the United Kingdom that not only does the practice of Communism fall under the capital crimes of treason and heresy, the Imperium can and does maintain a policy of opposing Communist nations wherever possible. Whether this is accomplished by economic reduction or by armed sterilization of Communist-infested lands, the Imperium is extremely committed to this goal. Communists are perhaps the worst of infidels, and it is Imperial practice to destroy them wherever they are found.

Finally, the Imperium, despite its current 'phony war' against the United Kingdom, vows not to let Communists overrun it or any other ACTO member. Again, despite the history of hatred between the Imperium and such institutions as the United Kingdom, we are willing to cooperate in order to further the goal of a Communist-free world, under the condition that the United Kingdom do the same.

And so, the Imperium submits this application with hope that it will be accepted despite our nations' mutual enmity. The Sacred Emperor does not deny that Questers is an enemy of the Imperium, but more important is to halt the Red advance. You have uttered grand statements and pursued lofty principles; we can only hope that your policy of unity will apply to an enemy as well as a friend.

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC COMMUNIQUE
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TO: Leadership of the Anti Communist Treaty Organization (ACTO)
FROM: Mr. George A. Loak, Supreme Emperor of the Dark Empire of Shazbotdom

_____While we do not wish to join this Alliance, we wish you the best.

_____We would also like to clarify to your nation, so you don't come after us, that we are not Communist like most Right Wing nations think of us as. Our political system is classified as Democratic Socialist. We elect our leaders every few years and they stay in office until their terms is up and/or until they resign.

_____Our Economic System is compled, although it is a Loose Capitalist system. Major corporations have the right to run their companies as they please, but are under regulations from the Government to ensure that they don't sell dangerous items to the public.

_____We thank you for your time and paitence and hope the best for your Alliance now and in the future. Have a great day.

The Republic of Kanami Ministry of Foreign Affairs


As much as The Republic would like to join, I'm afraid it won't be possible. Kanami has strict regulations on buisness, in the intrest of social justice, and law. While we do allow all buisness to practice freely, we do place limits on certain things. For an example, no employeer can interfeer in a Labor Union, all companies must properly dispose of waste or face sever government lawsuites. Genetic Research is forbidden for the use of marketing unless it goes for the greater good, even so, it's very much subsadized.

Most basic freedoms are granted, including: Speech, Religion, Press, Assembly/Petition. Very few rights are abriged unless it goes against public order. The Prime Minister and Senators are elected by the people, however the cabinate is chosen by the Cabinate.

That is a few snipates of our nation, and it's ultimatley up to you.

Thank you,

Karou Kamiah

Official Coronisian Response

From:Chancellor Isaac Miles Linwood
TO: Leadership of the Anti Communist Treaty Organization (ACTO)

The Republic of Coronisia would be honoured to join your Organization. The spread of Communisim and related types of government must be stopped for the saftey of all. We offer Monetery and Military aid to any nation in need of such action.

So, basically you are saying that even extreme right wingers who have their countries gripped in a horrible dictatorship with no rights can join as long as they have a free market?

Smooth, real smooth.

So, basically you are saying that even extreme right wingers who have their countries gripped in a horrible dictatorship with no rights can join as long as they have a free market?

Smooth, real smooth.

Exactly!

Official Message From the High Commander
TO:ACTO Leadership
FROM:The High Commander, Henry Corrol

The people of the Empire, who enjoy and love the Capitalist based economy in Zukariaa, would like nothing more than to crush Communism where it stands, in a pile of shit dieing of it's wounds at the hands of the free people of the world.

So, we would love to join ACTO and put a stop to the spread of the Red.
Signed, The High Commander

Official Diplomatic Communique
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To: ACTO
From: TWSP

We are not afraid of you, however, we will not interfere with this... "alliance" as we believe that everyone should be free to think however they want.
Unlike you.
Ahem.
Anyways, we've to go now, you know, cookies dont make themselves.

OOC: "Mommy, why does everybody hate us?"

"Because they're scared, Timmy."

[Open Message]

From: The Avisron Department of State

The Socialist State of Avisron hereby condemns this act of ignorant, baseless, and fear-mongering-right-wing attempt by conceited rednecks to destroy the path of human progression. Corrupt pig-dogs have taken so much from so many for so long, and any nation who joins this alliance supports that type of society. We're not saying that anyone who opposes it is communist. We're saying anyone who opposes it is a progressive minded, and generally smarter, individual.

Errikan Imperial Communication:

While the Errikan Empire is thoroughly devoted to both love of capitalism and hatred of communism, and applauds your current efforts, we cannot endevor to join any further entangling foreign alliances. We are still very supportive of this alliance, however, and will provide trade bonuses to all involved. May God be with you in your fight.

Message from Weapson:

In support of your noble pursuit, which our fatherland has regretfully not joined into officially, the Errikan Company of Weapson will provide all members with preferable contracts and discounts on goods and services that we offer, and will pressure our related companies to do the same. Godspeed.

"I would like to remind the founders of the ACTO not to become the bigoted, uninformed nations and politicians that anti-communist advances have turned into in the past. I urge you to remember that communism is an economic system, not a political one. Far too often the two are linked together and a communist economic system is automatically thrown in the same lot as an authoritarian dictatorship democratic system into one large 'Stalinist' ideology. This ideology is terrible and deserves to be destroyed. Pure communism as an economic theory, however, combined with democratic government and elections, is no worse than simply trying to give every person the same equal rights from birth, whether born into an upper, middle, or lower-class family.

"As such, while I do not urge you to disband this alliance or anything stupid like that, I urge you not to become bigoted and lump all communist or socialist nations in with those which are Stalinist. There are idealistic democratic communist states out there, and they do not deserve your revulsion or actions against them. Bearing that in mind, the removal of hardline authoritarian communism is a worthy one."

Prime Minister Jaime Wolfe

I urge the members of ACTO to remember their most basic guidelines:
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGHT

Griffincrest is the enemy of all that communism is, and requests to join this alliance.

I urge the members of ACTO to remember their most basic guidelines:
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGHT

That was in 1984, which was concerning (sort of a metaphor for) the communist nation that was the Soviet Union. Thus, it does not apply to nations that are anti-communist.

I urge the members of ACTO to remember their most basic guidelines:
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGHT

We would like to reming TWSP of the fact that George Orwell was warning of the dangers inherent in precisely the kind of collectivism your kind promotes.

I urge the members of ACTO to remember their most basic guidelines:
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGHT

As usual Bolshivik propoganda spurts from the mouth of the bear, its paws dripping in blood from the countries and people that communism has enslaved. We urge the people of the opressed communist nations, ACTO is not your enemy. Rise up and take down your governments, Clandonia will support you.


OOC: Someones read 1984, I've just ordered it after hearing about it from a friend.

As usual Bolshivik propoganda spurts from the mouth of the bear, its paws dripping in blood from the countries and people that communism has enslaved. We urge the people of the opressed communist nations, ACTO is not your enemy. Rise up and take down your governments, Clandonia will support you.


OOC: Someones read 1984, I've just ordered it after hearing about it from a friend.

OOC: Yes I know, but just making a little propaganda =p As Oceania was more... corporative and right wing than communist.

IC:

Oh, you mean like you helped your own people after they got nuked?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Coronisa seconds Clandonia's support offer. Any nation willing to rise up and overthrow its Communist oppressors will be supported by Coronisa as well.

Official Statement from the Federated Socialist States of Ato-Sara

The Federated Socialist States to Ato-Sara are shocked at this broad and open attack at it's values. Though the Socialist States does not practice compulsory collectivism it maintains it's sovereign right to keep it's economy in harmony through state inervention and denounces any organisation that proposes that military, economic or political action will be taken against it becasue of those values.

The Federated Socialist States of Ato-Sara regrets that it is the United Kingdom and Rising Sun of Questers, a nation that was once thought of highly in Ato-Sara, that has initiated this bigoted pact.
Ato-Sara appeals to member states of the ACTO to see sense and draw back from the brink of they are nearing.

President of the People's Congress,
Su Tze-Lai

Snip

Secret Diplomatic Communique
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To: Ato-Sara
From: TWSP

Hey, would you like to join the Union of Communist Nations?

Office of the Sovereign
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To: ACTO
From: The Grand Protectorate of Sovereign Heights

Of all the many reasons human beings have cited to come together in law and peace to form free and open societies, the safeguarding of private property is one of the most compelling. Many of the ideals espoused by communist regimes – notably the abolition of private property, support of armed revolution, and the abolition of social mobility – are considered to be in diametric opposition to the ideals of freedom and equality of an enlightened society. The people of Sovereign Heights, believing that governments exist to protect and guarantee the rights and freedoms of its citizens – among which is the right to own property – demand that their government work in the best interests of all peoples of the world.

In that spirit, the Protectorate works tirelessly to guarantee one of the most sacred rights of a lawful, enlightened society. We will gladly work with other nations who fight to protect the rights of their citizens against any regime which engages in theft under the guise of equality, revolution in the name of ideology, or tyranny in the name of the majority. Consider us your sisters and brothers in the battle for human rights.

Drafted, Sir Janus Sanguine, Chief Ambassador.
Signed, Lord Christopher Masters, Prime Minister.
Signed, Empress Amy Winters III, Sovereign

From: The Coronisian Senate

To: ACTO

The Chancellors previous statements of support are hereby being removed. The Chancellor acted without the support of the senate or the people of his nation. A recient emergency session of senate has vetoed his support for ACTO with a 98% majority.

Coronisa respects the sovreignty of all states, Communist or other wise. They do not take an expansionest stance, and nor do we. The fact that the world has degraded to governments openly slandering other, sovreign, nations is disgusting. The Democratic Republic of Coronisa is hearby removing its Economic and Militaristic support for ACTO, and is preposing a Sovreignty Protection Organization, to stop such Rogue Organizations from doing what ACTO is preposing.

The preposed SPO will accept all forms of government in a respectful alliance, who's aim is to protect the sovreignty of other nations. What goes on in a nation is that nations responsibility, however heinous, as long as its effects are contained within the responsible nation, the Sovreignty shall be observed.

We applaud the formation of an anti-Communist league and ask for permission to be part of the great anti-Commie crusade.

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Official Communique from the Federated Socialist States of Ato-Sara

The Federated Socialist States decline this offer, stating that it is Ato-Saran foreign policy not to get involved in large socio-pollitical blocs.

Ato-Saran Foreign Ministry

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC COMMUNIQUE

To the World Soviet Party:

Freedom Is Slavery: 'Freedom' under a democratic nation is just as hypocritical as 'freedom' under any other form of government. We point out to you that the 'freedom' of Communist equality is exactly like slavery: your people are artificially kept in their determined social position. Free from landowners they most certainly are, and by making themselves so they sell themselves into slavery to governments like YOURS, which are infinitely worse. This statement is true: your people's freedom from landowners is their slavery under Communism.

War Is Peace: This is a fairly simple statement, and one the Imperium believes in. War leads to peace: the peace imposed by the conqueror upon the conquered. Vae Victus, infidels: woe to the vanquished. This statement is true: war leads to peace by the imposition of it upon those defeated.

Ignorance Is Strength: Another fairly straightforward one. The ignorance of a people all but precludes the establishment of a Communist society, for just who will stir those oppressed masses to revolution if not some educated man sympathetic to their plight? And as we all know, Communism is a pile of steaming feces that masquerades as a form of government; certainly a pitiful excuse for strength. Imperial citizens, on the other hand, might well be judged as ignorant; advanced mathematics and sciences (such as physics, calculus, chemistry, etc.) are not taught in Imperial public schools, and anything but the most rudimentary knowledge of infidel nations' history is glossed over as well. And yet, the Imperium has yet to lose a war, and especially considering it is smaller in population than the world's other great powers, it is of great strength. Such strength will be directed against you, Red, if you continue your provocation. In conclusion...this statement is true: educated people breed weak, divided governments or worse, Communism, while an ignorant populace reinforces the inherent strength of absolute monarchy.

We accept your statements, Reds. Next try ramming them down your own throats instead of those who know them and embrace them.

Signed,
Darian Aurelius, Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: All IC slander, you understand. Nothing personal.

Freedom Is Slavery: 'Freedom' under a democratic nation is just as hypocritical as 'freedom' under any other form of government. We point out to you that the 'freedom' of Communist equality is exactly like slavery: your people are artificially kept in their determined social position. Free from landowners they most certainly are, and by making themselves so they sell themselves into slavery to governments like YOURS, which are infinitely worse. This statement is true: your people's freedom from landowners is their slavery under Communism.


I think you have us confused with dictators.

[OOC: Add headings, titles, and all that IC bullshit]

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC COMMUNIQUE

To the World Soviet Party:

Freedom Is Slavery: 'Freedom' under a democratic nation is just as hypocritical as 'freedom' under any other form of government. We point out to you that the 'freedom' of Communist equality is exactly like slavery: your people are artificially kept in their determined social position. Free from landowners they most certainly are, and by making themselves so they sell themselves into slavery to governments like YOURS, which are infinitely worse. This statement is true: your people's freedom from landowners is their slavery under Communism.

War Is Peace: This is a fairly simple statement, and one the Imperium believes in. War leads to peace: the peace imposed by the conqueror upon the conquered. Vae Victus, infidels: woe to the vanquished. This statement is true: war leads to peace by the imposition of it upon those defeated.

Ignorance Is Strength: Another fairly straightforward one. The ignorance of a people all but precludes the establishment of a Communist society, for just who will stir those oppressed masses to revolution if not some educated man sympathetic to their plight? And as we all know, Communism is a pile of steaming feces that masquerades as a form of government; certainly a pitiful excuse for strength. Imperial citizens, on the other hand, might well be judged as ignorant; advanced mathematics and sciences (such as physics, calculus, chemistry, etc.) are not taught in Imperial public schools, and anything but the most rudimentary knowledge of infidel nations' history is glossed over as well. And yet, the Imperium has yet to lose a war, and especially considering it is smaller in population than the world's other great powers, it is of great strength. Such strength will be directed against you, Red, if you continue your provocation. In conclusion...this statement is true: educated people breed weak, divided governments or worse, Communism, while an ignorant populace reinforces the inherent strength of absolute monarchy.

We accept your statements, Reds. Next try ramming them down your own throats instead of those who know them and embrace them.

Signed,
Darian Aurelius, Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: All IC slander, you understand. Nothing personal.

OOC: ICly, you are my new favorite person!

The small and humble empire of Darvainia is happy to see this alliance formed, it is about time something is done to protect ourselves against the growing influence of communism. Parliament has already approved our joining of this alliance if you will allow us.

OOC: ICly, you are my new favorite person!

OOC: I would agree with that comment.

IC: Icovir accepts the rights of free speech unto all. Ironic that Icovir is membered with the UCN, but is far from communist.

All Icovir asks of this alliance is that no war is proclaimed on us, and we won't proclaim it on you.

Diplomatic Communique
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The United Kingdom welcomes Clandonia Prime, Coronisa, The Warmaster, Zukariaa, Demon666 and Sovereign Heights to the ACTO. We will not allow the entrance of Griffincrest into ACTO - MI6 and SIS has information to believe that Griffincrest is acting directly against the interests of the UK and is actually a red-spreader itself, therefore we refuse your entrance.

To all the dirty bolsheviks spreading their propaganda and lies, we have one thing to say:

Sit down and shut the hell up. We alone are ten times stronger than you can ever hope to be. Curl up and cower like you rightly should and maybe we'll get along.

We also remind The World Soviet Party never to forget the core principles of Communism:

Robbing money from hard-working, educated people, and handing it over to lazy bums.

Destruction of individual freedom.

Bread rations.

I'm....a Red spreader?!?! Explain yourself please.

((OOC: Coronisa formally pulled out of ACTO...But its no biggie, may as well stay the course. Coronisa will do its best to respect the sovreignty of all Communist nations, and only undermine it when it is absoluty necessary for the people's well being.)

Official Statement From The Allied Union Of Velkya

As always, the Allied Union stands behind its honored and close ally of the United Kingdom of Questers in its endeavors. Communism is a pitiful form of government, and its continued existence is a heresy against all free and enlightened people across the world. The Grand Senate has resoundingly approved entry into the crusade for the forces of liberty and righteousness, and hopes our children and their own need not live in a world polluted by the Reds and their crazed ideals.

By the way, we love what you've done with the flag.

I'm....a Red spreader?!?! Explain yourself please.

OOC: Rofl, he owned you with one sentence.

[Open Message]

From: The Avisron Department of State

We'd like to point out that we, a Socialist nation, are obviously something that Questers lacks the ability to understand. Our economy guarentees a standard of living for everyone, but the more intelligent and/or hard-working people are rewarded. Anyone is able to spend their salary on anything they want, which includes owning land.

The Socialist State of Avisron hereby declares itself intellectually superior to the redneck pig-dogs in Questers.

"Zaire would be honored to join the ACTO."

--Mobutu Sese Seko--

‘Anti-Comintern’ Pact Revived Under Auspices of Imperial Questria

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A skeletal spider’s insidiously long legs spread out from within its dark, dank lair, located in the very heart of Asiatic Russia, towards the furthest corners of the Earth - evoking a powerfully emotive, primeval response of fear and terror in the viewer. ‘Der Bolshewismus!’ is the simplistic declaration of the vintage Nazi Party propaganda poster with which Prime Minister Roberts has chosen to announce the revival of the latest extreme right-wing plot against Socialist governments worldwide.

The deliberate use of Nazi anti-Communist imagery by the Questrian Empire was purposefully calculated, and is particularly apt. It does in fact betray the real motives and rationale behind the formation of the alliance. One cannot help but recall that, in precisely one month and one day, the world shall mark the seventieth anniversary of the birth of the infamous Anti-Comintern Pact - concluded for the first time between the Third Reich and Fascist Italy.

In the finest traditions of that well-known brainchild of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, this latest incarnation of the Anti-Comintern treaty constitutes little more than a clique of imperialist warmongers, hysterical ultra-conservatives and totalitarian dictators. The Dominion of the Warmaster (a bloody-handed CAD member and one of the very first of many tyrannies to be welcomed into the anti-Communist pact with both great enthusiasm and open arms) is, for example, notorious for its illegal war of aggression against the Czardaian Concordance – a democratic nation whose steafast protection of civil and political rights could almost be said to rival that of Xirnium herself.

The era of armed conflict and genocide in the furtherance of disparate economic ideologies (whether Communist, Capitalist or otherwise) is one that rightly belongs to yesteryear. It must therefore be earnestly hoped by all rational people that the comity of nations shall collectively choose to shun and deride both the increasingly irrelevant Questrian Empire (which, evidently, has now wholeheartedly adopted the mantle of “international pariah state”) and the various other irresponsible warmongerers that have comprised this ignorant and pointless alliance. The consequences of not doing so (which may well resemble the bloody slaughter fields of Eastern Europe and mainland China, where the true goals of the original Comintern Pact where finally made a reality by the Axis) could be terrible indeed.


The following article first appeared under the ‘opinion’ section of the official party website of the ‘Alternative Left’ faction of the People’s Socialist Workers’ Coalition of Xirnium, on 24 October 2006.

Official Clandonian Response
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The government of the Armed Republic of Clandonia is honoured to join the ACTO alliance, we look forward to working with our capitalist friends and allies in the ridance of the red menace that plagues the planet.

For the Empire!

Diplomatic Communique
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We were not aware that we were 'copying' anything from 'Nazi Germany' or 'Fascist Italy', whatever / whoever they may be, nor where we aware that the opinions of some small state named Zirnum or Xurniam or however it may be spelt were of any objective meaning in the world today, for as much as the Communists and Socialist hellholes like Zirnum think they are worth, or pathetic groups like GAPTS, the United Kingdom stands by our values of morality, freedom of speech, and the free market, values that have guided us through difficult times and rewarded us with great ones, with power, with the largest military the world has ever seen and un-challenged political power.

For all Zirnum's strong words, or the condemnations of reds and red-sympathisers around th world, what have you achieved? What do you hope to achieve? While your bleeding heart environment-friendly groups hold back Government action, we will be mobilising and preparing to crush you.

The United Kingdom hereby declares itself morally, economically, politically, colonially, militarily, technologically, and generally superior to Avisron. Political power grows from the barrel of a gun, and we have a million times more guns than you.

Statement of the Democratic Republic of Hamilay

The Democratic Republic of Hamilay wishes to join the ACTO. In the modern world, regardless of the most noble of ideals, communism cannot function without the abuse of fundamental human rights. As always, Hamilay stands committed to the freedom a free market can offer, and would be proud to join other nations taking a stance against this insidious ideology.

OOC: Questers, is your naval storefront still running? Hamilay needs his superdreadnoughts.

For all Zirnum's strong words, or the condemnations of reds and red-sympathisers around th world, what have you achieved? What do you hope to achieve? While your bleeding heart environment-friendly groups hold back Government action, we will be mobilising and preparing to crush you.

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Official Government Communiqué – The Minister for Defence
The Eternal Republic of Xirnium

Tárië Aicassë Laë Nainányéna! – Until the End of Time!
To:

The United Kingdom of Questers

From:

Lord Félix Yirchdägnir
Minister for Defence of the Xirniumite Government
The Eternal Republic of Xirnium


The Xirniumite Government lacks either the patience or good humour necessary to exchange idle banter with nations that, in their infinite stupidity, see fit to so casually (and without the flimsiest of warrants) make threats against the peace, safety and security of other sovereign states. I shall thus waste no time in bandying empty rhetoric with the childish leadership of the United Kingdom, or in commenting on her government’s puerile statements.

Let it simply be known that any conduct on the part either of the Questrian state, or her allies, prejudicial to the interests of the Eternal Republic, or in furtherance of aims hostile to Xirnium and her people, shall result in the immediate, wholesale, and final liquidation of Questers (or of the relevent country) as a geopolitical entity.

[Signed]

His Grace
The Rt Hon Félix Yirchdägnir MP
Defence Minister of the Xirniumite Government and High Lord of Parliament
The Sovereign Parliament of the Eternal Republic of Xirnium

Rather than joining the mud-slinging, I would like to point out that the world,
ever-so-incoveniently is not as black and white as we would like it to be. Even if we do adopt a philosophy that goverment's role is only to protect citizens from harm done by others and not to interfere with the economic process, we will quicky find ourselves in a situation where the ignored nuances will pre-empt our intended system of government. Namely, there are two issues that the government must take control over in order for the free market to continue to exist. These are access to non-renewable resources and prevention of monopolies. These must be in the hands of the government rather than the market forces for the following reasons. If the access to the non-renewable resources (air, water, forrests, etc.) is not regulated, there is a danger of a private party in a temporary position of power (arrived there due to volatilities in the market) seizing control of large portions of these resources and destroying them without providing any benefit to the society or planning for the future renewal of these resources or giving any consideration of how lack of these resources will threaten our very survival. Thus this is actually a security issue and as such belongs in the hands of the government. The government must consider future needs for environmental resources before allowing their spenditure to satisfy immediate needs. The second issue of monoplies is simple as well. The benefit of the free market is not only that it is the right of the owners to dispense with their property as they see please (i.e, the freedom of ownership) but also the fact it creates a competive economy. In a competive economy progress occurs because people try to win a competive advantage by creating what was not yet possible. In a planned economy progress occurs because people try to create new products based on what is already known and possible. Therefore, in a planned economy progress is much slower. Any company achieving a monopoly position in some industry puts it in the position of being the sole decider of what is to be done in that market place in the future. That is just another way of saying that the power of being the sole planner is achieved by the said company. This, of
course makes this monopoly a socialist institution and destroys free market in the said industry. Therefore, to maintain a free market, the government must disallow monopolies. If and when monopolies are inevitable (it questionable that they ever are) the government must treat monopolies as semi-government institutions subject to government oversight.

Diplomatic Communique
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And let it simply be known that the United Kingdom is just over three times the size of Xirnium and none of Xirniums pathetic lapdogs can hope to match the numberless allies and friends of the United Kingdom. Let it be known that if Xirnium even attempts to make any hostile moves on the United Kingdom or any of her glorious allies in ACTO, we have the power, and will use it, to grind Xirnium into ashes and dust. Do not, for the sake of your people, tempt us.

The UK welcomes Hamilay to the ACTO.


In other news, government stormtroopers yesterday raided the house of known Communist Richard Wells, an author and a politician and arrested him for Incitement to Murder, Incitement to Terrorism, Incitement to Mutiny, Incitement to Regicide, Incitement to Robbery, and finally, Crimes against Humanity. According to a government source, Wells went "beyond the line" of freedom of publishment and speech, directly declaring the UK government illicit and illegal. His arrest was met with mixed feelings in the UK - a majority supporting his arrest, and the other number split between sympathy for freedom of speech and the other sympathy towards Wells himself.

Wells is to be put on trial at the Old Bailey in two months after being "questioned" by police.

In other news, government stormtroopers yesterday raided the house of known Communist Richard Wells, an author and a politician

We request that you dont sentence this man to death, and deport him instead.

OOC: ICly, you are my new favorite person!

OOC: :) *takes a bow*

Statement of the Fascist Republic of Voxio

The Fascist Republic of Voxio wishes to join the ACTO. Our people are staunchly opposed to Communism and are prepared to do anything to prevent any free nation from turning into a communist state.

The people of Darvainia would like inquire as to why we have not yet been added to the list of member nations in the anti-communist movement. Rest assured we are patient, we just want to make sure you received our request.

Chellis supports the right of national sovereignty, allowing the people of a nation to determine its own path.

We really don't care about ACTO. However, if they directly intervene in any nation that is becoming communist of its own free will, as opposed to it being forced on them by outsiders, then we will defend the right of said country to choose its own form of government.

If this so-called "ACTO" is simply a watchdog, trying to prevent communist states from enforcing their beliefs on other nations, then we support this alliance. Nobody, Communists or capitalists, has the right to enforce its will on another country.

So basically, don't go attacking communists or nations trying to become communist by their own devices(voting, etc), and Chellis has no problem with this Alliance. Don't become arrogant. Chellis knows the path that some countries try to obtain power by, and alliances like this sometimes do that. So this is a warning, not a threat: Don't over-step your bounds, ACTO. Do whats right to protect valid capitalist countries, or Chellis will directly have a problem with you. And you don't want that.

((OOC: Yeah, no. Any and all actions by ACTO against my self or my IC interests(Which includes espionage and political intrigue) are hereby ignored.))

Icovir agrees with Chellis' comment, especially on the part of...

...if they directly intervene in any nation that is becoming communist of its own free will, as opposed to it being forced on them by outsiders, then we will defend the right of said country to choose its own form of government.



Icovir would like the world to know that we held an election to see if Icovir would be communist. The people voted "Yes" on the matter. Therefore, we would like to point out that our people willingly communist, as opposed to the government forcing them to be communist.

OOC: So if you try to attack me on the bases that "we're oppresing our people" (or anything along those lines), I'll ignore it.

OOC: Will you allow in a selectively anti-communist nation such as me? For instance one of my longest standing allies is Russian Forces (if he is still actually a nation) but I generally oppose commies.

and what about nations who are communist by military coup or other forceful actions by their own government, not necessarily their own will?

and what about nations who are communist by military coup or other forceful actions by their own government, not necessarily their own will?

Military coups are not usually communist, you know, most of the time they are Christian and Conservative.

Military coups are not usually communist, you know, most of the time they are Christian and Conservative.
In other words only people you don't like would force their will on people

Keep telling yourself that so you can sleep at night :)

and what about nations who are communist by military coup or other forceful actions by their own government, not necessarily their own will?

This is obviously a more difficult category to judge, and we typically see it as a case-by-case thing, for any political system. We generally don't interfere in dictatorships, as its still an issue of national sovereignty. Generally, we would only interfere, or not protect them from others, if they aren't failing their people at the same time. As in, as long as they are showing a reasonable attempt to support their people.

Democracy isn't the only valid type of government in the world. Chellis doesn't fall in any category, but certainly not democracy. However, an overthrown government can always call for other nations help, if it maintained control before, and didn't give away its power. We personally see no issue with this.

In other words only people you don't like would force their will on people

Keep telling yourself that so you can sleep at night :)

Not exactly, there have been Communist Coups, but most of the time, they are right-wing conservatives instead of the "EB1L REDS!!111ONE".

So, basically you are saying that even extreme right wingers who have their countries gripped in a horrible dictatorship with no rights can join as long as they have a free market?

Smooth, real smooth.

OOC: I see no difference between this and the scum known as the "World Anti-Communist league" Nice job Questors, you just put yourself in the same league as Roach-Busters.

IC:
Condemnation by The Lone Alliance
The Lone Alliance Condemns this Imperalist Alliance due to the imbalance of ideas, basing how well a country solely by it's economic system will lead to only bloodshed, since it seems to be a go we classify this as a Imperalist force and will take actions regarding any attempts to occuip nations just because you happen to dislike their system of government.

[OOC: Well done TLA. You just put yourself in the same group as ever other idiot that can't read a name, repeated more than several on the page in front of them and spelled 'Questers' wrong.

You also just reffered to anyone who ever joined the WACL as 'scum.' That sounds somewhat like very bad flaming / flamebaiting to me...]

((OOC: Yeah, no. Any and all actions by ACTO against my self or my IC interests(Which includes espionage and political intrigue) are hereby ignored.))

OOC-Oh, come on, Tocrowkia. You form an alliance of Communist Nations and expect people to accept that in the case that it ever does anything, and expect people to always go along with actions you take (like nuking Blackhelm), but then when an alliance is formed that goes against your government type, you ignore it?

Lol.

The United Kingdom hereby declares itself morally, economically, politically, colonially, militarily, technologically, and generally superior to Avisron. Political power grows from the barrel of a gun, and we have a million times more guns than you.
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[Open Response]

From: The Socialist State of Avisron

The Socialist State of Avisron hereby declares that "Questers" will from this point be known as "Cleetus the Redneck."

Don't you have a car race to go watch? Maybe a cousin to have intercourse with? A bible to thump?

Please. You're pathetic. You're intellectually retarded.

This is probably lost on you though. People like you usually don't understand things very well.

lol, the Bible is too intelligent for the Redneck species (Homo Redneckus)

[OOC: Well done TLA. You just put yourself in the same group as ever other idiot that can't read a name, repeated more than several on the page in front of them and spelled 'Questers' wrong.

OOC: You also just reffered to anyone who ever joined the WACL as 'scum.' That sounds somewhat like very bad flaming / flamebaiting to me...]

Touched a nerve have I? Well I do consider the founders of the WACL "scum" at least their nation's as scum. And if anyone RPs as jerk it's Roach-Busters.

And if the only counter you have is to try and point misspelling your nation. If you're going to jump on me for spelling, how about you use my entire nation's name next time then? It's "The Lone Alliance", not TLA.

And your grammer isn't so wise either. Example:

as ever other

Now if you want me to search through every post you made and find errors, I'll do it.
And if you're going "OMG U FLAMER!!" to try and threaten to sic the mods on me. That's just sad.

PS: In case you haven't noticed I have a huge IC and even a little OOC hatred for the WACL. It didn't help that they joined Kravania in trying to dogpile me.

[Open Response]

From: The Socialist State of Avisron

The Socialist State of Avisron hereby declares that "Questers" will from this point be known as "Cleetus the Redneck."

Don't you have a car race to go watch? Maybe a cousin to have intercourse with? A bible to thump?

Please. You're pathetic. You're intellectually retarded.

This is probably lost on you though. People like you usually don't understand things very well.

[Interjection]

Though his statement was strange (to say the least), your comback was completely idiotic, playing off of moronic and outdated steryotypes, followed up by straight forward insults. If you have something intelligent to add to the debate, please do so. If not, f*ck off.
(OOC: No OOC malice intended, unless the comment was based off of OOC beliefs, in which case full OOC malice intended)

Touched a nerve have I? Well I do consider the founders of the WACL "scum" at least their nation's as scum. And if anyone RPs as jerk it's Roach-Busters.

And if the only counter you have is to try and point misspelling your nation. If you're going to jump on me for spelling, how about you use my entire nation's name next time then? It's "The Lone Alliance", not TLA.

OOC: On the spelling thing, it is typical for multi-word names to be abbriviated, so don't go off on him with that.

OOC: I'm so glad we could all be grown up about this. :headbang:

Can we move on, pretty please? Sugar on top?

Someone please tell me how this even started? :D

Someone please tell me how this even started? :D

Questers formed an alliance for Anti-Communists, and the Communists came up and started attacking it (in words, not military actions), which is rather rude considering we didn't do such a thing in their thread when they started it. Still, people were joining all over the place, and then it degraded into insulting arguments.

Questers formed an alliance for Anti-Communists, and the Communists came up and started attacking it (in words, not military actions), which is rather rude considering they had to delete 60 of their posts to clean the thread of all the arguments. Still, people were joining all over the place, and then it degraded into insulting arguments.

FIX'D.

Make me ashamed to be an NS communist :(

FIX'D.

Ah, thank you.

Official Clandonian Response
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Typical Bolshivik spoutings of their insultations towards the free world as their people are rationed and dicatated too by the commuist red evil.

Make me ashamed to be an NS communist :(

Doesn't that happen by itself? ;)

Someone please tell me how this even started? :D Well my anger stems from the fact that I have a low tolerance for nations who make alliances for "Insert group" destruction.
It's usually used to make a premptive dogpile for war mongering purposes. I also OOCly have low opinion on those who go for the cliche of "Let's go kill commies". It's been done on Nationstates for so long it's stupid. Where's the "Kill Theocracy" groups, the "Kill Facist" groups. Nope it's always either a commie bash, or commies bashing back. ICly My nation's anger stems from the fact that I nearly got destroyed by a group of Neo-Facists that were part of an "Anti communist group" because of a false claim of communism. So they now think that all Anti Communists groups are Neo-Facist.

Zukariaa;11851319']OOC-Oh, come on, Tocrowkia. You form an alliance of Communist Nations and expect people to accept that in the case that it ever does anything, and expect people to always go along with actions you take (like nuking Blackhelm), but then when an alliance is formed that goes against your government type, you ignore it?

Lol.

OOC: Yes. TLA's above post pretty much sums up why.

Touched a nerve have I? Well I do consider the founders of the WACL "scum" at least their nation's as scum. And if anyone RPs as jerk it's Roach-Busters.

And if the only counter you have is to try and point misspelling your nation. If you're going to jump on me for spelling, how about you use my entire nation's name next time then? It's "The Lone Alliance", not TLA.

And your grammer isn't so wise either. Example:

Now if you want me to search through every post you made and find errors, I'll do it.
And if you're going "OMG U FLAMER!!" to try and threaten to sic the mods on me. That's just sad.

PS: In case you haven't noticed I have a huge IC and even a little OOC hatred for the WACL. It didn't help that they joined Kravania in trying to dogpile me.

Touched a nerve? You can barely talk. Seems like I set you off on an OOC tantrum by just creating an IC organisation. If you can't seperate OOC and IC hatred then you don't really have a place in NS.

By the way, you have five - yes, five, grammar / spelling mistakes in that post of yours.

By the way, there have been just as many Anti-Fascist Organisations on NS in the past. If you can't handle 'dogpiling', then why not just, say, ignore them? 'Freeform' roleplay springs to mind.

[Interjection]

Though his statement was strange (to say the least), your comback was completely idiotic, playing off of moronic and outdated steryotypes, followed up by straight forward insults. If you have something intelligent to add to the debate, please do so. If not, f*ck off.
(OOC: No OOC malice intended, unless the comment was based off of OOC beliefs, in which case full OOC malice intended)

[Open Message]

From: The Avisron Department of State

Yes, because your response was completely different from ours. It seems odd that you, in a statement accusing the Socialist State of Avisron of being 'idiotic,' resorted to telling an entire nation to 'fuck off.' Hypocritical, are we?

There is no debate here. Questers and its supporters are relying on outdated ideas about communism and socialism without spending the time to do research on the individual nations which practice communism and socialism in todays world. It would be the same if the Socialist State of Avisron accused Questers of being identical to the Griffencrest Corporation just because they're both capitalist.

The Socialist State of Avisron is moving itself to a more passive role on the grounds that this discussion serves no practical point other than for arrogant nations to make threats against each other while having no intention to ever mobilize.

On a closing note, we'd like to point out that recently Questers put a communist in prison simply for being communist. So far it is yet to be reported that a single capitalist has been put in prison in Avisron. Questers, however, still has the nerve to call Avisron the 'undemocratic' nation.

It's just something to think about while you work away your life in a mine while your family starves in their 1 room apartment beside a docked 2 kilometer long superdreadnaught.

[OOC: I'd like to point out that I'm not insulting anyone OOCly with my IC posts. It seems important to do so since there seems to be some issue with that lately. I am OOCly a socialist, but I'm not insulting anyone ICly. Please don't take it as such. I have nothing against Questers or anyone else, OOCly.]

Well my anger stems from the fact that I have a low tolerance for nations who make alliances for "Insert group" destruction.
It's usually used to make a premptive dogpile for war mongering purposes. I also OOCly have low opinion on those who go for the cliche of "Let's go kill commies". It's been done on Nationstates for so long it's stupid. Where's the "Kill Theocracy" groups, the "Kill Facist" groups. Nope it's always either a commie bash, or commies bashing back. ICly My nation's anger stems from the fact that I nearly got destroyed by a group of Neo-Facists that were part of an "Anti communist group" because of a false claim of communism. So they now think that all Anti Communists groups are Neo-Facist.

Your OOC issue shouldn't influence your IC stance.

And I completely understand your IC position, you must see that this alliance requires a significant free market, which means private sector, something which naturally conflicts with Fascism, which revolves around the state(thus the Socialism part in National Socialism, though Nazism is more than just fascism). The Fascists were equally enemies of both the western capitalists and the eastern communists (though, geographically, Spain is farther west than both France and Britian).

OOC-I liked Questers idea, so here is an obviously biased newspaper excerpt.

Zukariaan Times
Today several suspected Communists, an extreme minority in our great nation, had their homes raided and were rounded up. They face the Supreme Court, where many people are hoping for their immediate execution for such foolish beliefs as the belief in Communism. It will take place in several days, and the outlook for the men does not look good. It is believed that the men were planning some kind of rally against the government's policies on managing the economy.
The police do not currently know who all of the people were that were expected to take part in the illegal Communist rally, but are investigating. The High Commander released a statement saying,"Taking part in any sort of Communist action is illegal and punishable with life in prison."
Currently, the Communist men are living in an assigned hotel in eastern Yelthad until the court date.

Go fuck up their cars.

OOC: oooh me too!!!

IC:
Darvainan News Network
In recent news the communist party of Darvainia is up in arms over parliaments recent decision to join an obviously anti-communist organization. Riots have taken to the streets of Darvainia, but the police are moving quickly to contain them.
"We don't want riots, and we don't want hatecrimes against communists anymore than we want hatecrimes against capitalists." says National Police Chief Elaine Kin, in reaction to violence on both sides. "Were just doing the best we can to contain this."

"The nations of the world should stay out of each others business. Sovereign nations have the right to govern how they choose, and those capitalist pigF***ers have no right to make fun of communists and call us mean names" said communist leader Victor Riedsley yesterday. However he refrained to comment on anti-capitalist campaigns, and unions of communist nations for similar purposes. He dismissed any claims of hypocrisy as redneck propoganda, and continued to insult low-class rednecks, while claiming capitalists discriminated against well...low-class people. He also refused anymore interviews saying he didn't have time as he was too busy with his most recent propoganda campaign. "Capitalists kidnap babies and sacrifice them to dark gods, and I'm going to prove it!" he said before knocking a camera out of our crewman's hand...

"It is a sad day when all intelligence has left the debate..." commented mourning schoolteacher in response to recent tragedies.

[Open Message]

From: The Avisron Department of State

Yes, because your response was completely different from ours. It seems odd that you, in a statement accusing the Socialist State of Avisron of being 'idiotic,' resorted to telling an entire nation to 'fuck off.' Hypocritical, are we?

There is no debate here. Questers and its supporters are relying on outdated ideas about communism and socialism without spending the time to do research on the individual nations which practice communism and socialism in todays world. It would be the same if the Socialist State of Avisron accused Questers of being identical to the Griffencrest Corporation just because they're both capitalist.

The Socialist State of Avisron is moving itself to a more passive role on the grounds that this discussion serves no practical point other than for arrogant nations to make threats against each other while having no intention to ever mobilize.

On a closing note, we'd like to point out that recently Questers put a communist in prison simply for being communist. So far it is yet to be reported that a single capitalist has been put in prison in Avisron. Questers, however, still has the nerve to call Avisron the 'undemocratic' nation.

It's just something to think about while you work away your life in a mine while your family starves in their 1 room apartment beside a docked 2 kilometer long superdreadnaught.

I like to "respond in kin"; thus, my responce was rather rude. However, it did not sink to your level of using such outdated and moronic steryotypes.

As for your accusation of his use of such steryotypes, it is laughable. This is because a central part of communist doctrine encorages what he fears, thus making it not a steryotype. It would be as if you used the "steryotype" of Christians converting other people to Christianity. Still, you also note steryotypes used against "socialists," a group that is never specifically mentioned in the title of this alliance. Bravo.

And, to be fair, Griffincrest is no nation. It is a corporation.

As for your backing out, meh.

Your note of how Questers imprisoned Communists proves nothing. We exile them. It does not interfere with the title of "democratic," which just means that the people vote, not that no group (in this case based on their political ideology, somthing which is completely under their control) is punished as criminals.

Touched a nerve? You can barely talk. Seems like I set you off on an OOC tantrum by just creating an IC organisation..
More of a Rant actually. And an OOC sigh of annoyance.

If you can't seperate OOC and IC hatred then you don't really have a place in NS. I see that happening all the time. Better get rid of 50% of posters. But nah I only have an OOC hatred of Attention whoring. Making a cliche filled Alliance counts.

Besides look at the both OOC and IC bashing that happens everytime a Noob makes a war thread.

By the way, you have five - yes, five, grammar / spelling mistakes in that post of yours. I think I count six but it may only be five.

By the way, there have been just as many Anti-Fascist Organisations on NS in the past. If you can't handle 'dogpiling', then why not just, say, ignore them? 'Freeform' roleplay springs to mind. Sure I can ignore you, but then if you attack an Ally I can't help because I'm "Ignoring" you. But this is kind of pointless now. You know my nation's stance. And that's all there is.

I say let's all create and join an Anti-Facist alliance, with communists and capitalist making up and getting along, holding hands.

And that proves why this little OOC war here will never end until we find out one thing: are you guys showing hatred IC-wise (I hate Icovir cause he's a communist nation) or OOC-wise (I hate Icovir because he insulted my mommy)?

I say let's all create and join an Anti-Facist alliance, with communists and capitalist making up and getting along, holding hands.

And that proves why this little OOC war here will never end until we find out one thing: are you guys showing hatred IC-wise (I hate Icovir cause he's a communist nation) or OOC-wise (I hate Icovir because he insulted my mommy)?

OOC: Can't we all just be friends?

OOC: Can't we all just be friends?

OOC: Where would be the fun in that?

lol, let's go Nambassa-stlye.

I say let's all create and join an Anti-Facist alliance, with communists and capitalist making up and getting along, holding hands.

And that proves why this little OOC war here will never end until we find out one thing: are you guys showing hatred IC-wise (I hate Icovir cause he's a communist nation) or OOC-wise (I hate Icovir because he insulted my mommy)?

My only problem is that, as much as my people hate fascism, they hate communism far, far more. It is like hatred of fascism to the hatred of fascism power.

Plus our commited ally Zukariaa is fascist.

I urge the members of ACTO to remember their most basic guidelines:
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGHT

OOc:Ahem.
YOU ARE A DUMBASS
A VERY BIG DUMBASS
DON'T USE QOUTES FROM 1984, THEY DON"T APPLY TO CAPITALISTIC NATIONS.
ONLY TO PSEUDO-COMMUNISTIC NATIONS LIKE YOURS WHERE EVERYONE IS REPRESSED BY BIG BROTHER.

GruntsandElites, please calm down. It's NationStates, and it's called roleplaying (AKA pretending). Don't go looking for trouble, or you'll get it ten fold.

C'mon, obviously TWSP was joking. Even if he wasn't, you like democracies, right? So that means you support free speech. So you don't call someone a dumba** because they voice their opinions, fake or not.

My only problem is that, as much as my people hate fascism, they hate communism far, far more. It is like hatred of fascism to the hatred of fascism power.

Plus our commited ally Zukariaa is fascist.

So say you. >.>

Zukariaa;11851962']So say you. >.>

Are you saying that you are not a commited ally or not fascist?

GruntsandElites, please calm down. It's NationStates, and it's called roleplaying (AKA pretending). Don't go looking for trouble, or you'll get it ten fold.

C'mon, obviously TWSP was joking. Even if he wasn't, you like Capitalism, right? So that means you support free speech. So you don't call someone a dumba** because they voice their opinions, fake or not.

I concur,

I also think we should really got off the whole OOC thing, I mean honestly you don't see us doing this in communist threads, no affense, but let's get off debate and back to discussing the alliance.

I concur,

I also think we should really got off the whole OOC thing, I mean honestly you don't see us doing this in communist threads, no affense, but let's get off debate and back to discussing the alliance.

I second, though I do love the debates so.

Are you saying that you are not a commited ally or not fascist?

Not fascist. :p





And Icovir, capitalism does not entitle freedom of speech. I think that's called Democracy? Or simply freedom of speech? Capitalism is a way of regulating the economy of a nation, in this case in favor of business.

correct me if I'm wrong, Errik. XD

Yep, Capitalism is economic. But, since the poster seemed to be anti-NSCommunist (which is economic and social), then he must be against all things communist (which means he's pro-free speech).

Though, I'm gonna edit my post so it says "democracy" instead of Capitalism.

OOC: Capitalism to me is about economic freedom, and true economic freedom can't really exist without social freedom, for example if you regulate speech you also regulate the businesses that publish it, but that's just me...

And questers has my nation been accepted into the alliance? If so I would just love see a little "darvainia" under your list :D

Yep, Capitalism is economic. But, since the poster seemed to be anti-NSCommunist (which is economic and social), then he must be against all things communist (which means he's pro-free speech).

Though, I'm gonna edit my post so it says "democracy" instead of Capitalism.

Well, I am OOC'ly against anything having to do with Communism and Socialism (unless in humor).

I wont get into that, though. :p

Zukariaa;11851979']Not fascist. :p





And Icovir, capitalism does not entitle freedom of speech. I think that's called Democracy? Or simply freedom of speech? Capitalism is a way of regulating the economy of a nation, in this case in favor of business.

correct me if I'm wrong, Errik. XD

You are right. Capitalism does not necessarily involve freedom of speech, though it does involve many other freedoms. A government that will acknowledge these freedoms is likely to do so for freedom of speech.
Democracy in itself does not necessarily involve freedom of speech, though it is the same case as I mentioned for capitalism.

Capitalism is not, however, regulating in favor of businesses. It revolves around private ownership, and should have minimal government interference. Thus, if the government is regulating heavily, even in favor of businesses, it is not capitalistic.

Official Statement from the Federated Socialist States of Ato-Sara

The Federated Socialist States publically distances itself from the organisation calling itself the 'Union of Communist Nations'. It's member's goverments have consistantly brought shame to world socialism through their words.
The Federated Socialist States however reaffirms it opposition to the ACTO in principle and in being. If force is used against Ato-Sara because of it's political values by a ACTO member, then the Navy will be our shield and the Jade Guard our sword.

President of the People's Congress,
Su Tze-Lai


Confidential communique to the United Kindom and Rising Sun of Questers

The Federated Socialist States regrets the difference of political ideoligies that have lead to this, but respectfully asks for the United Kingdom to remove all diplomatic staff from the three states of Ato-Sara, Lin-Pen and Kima-Tara.
Similarly all Ato-Saran diplomatic staff will be withdrawn from from the United Kingdom and it's associated territories.
It is hoped taht Civillain guests in both counries will remain unaffected by this.
With regrets,
Miniser of Foreign Affairs,
Yue Shen-Tao

OOc:Ahem.
YOU ARE A DUMBASS
A VERY BIG DUMBASS
DON'T USE QOUTES FROM 1984, THEY DON"T APPLY TO CAPITALISTIC NATIONS.
ONLY TO PSEUDO-COMMUNISTIC NATIONS LIKE YOURS WHERE EVERYONE IS REPRESSED BY BIG BROTHER.

Say, if my memory serves me well, in Goldstein's book, though written by O´Brien and his pals, it is said that the "Party" and "Big Brother" were created by the upper class to control the Middle and Low Classes and never ever let go of power, not even a tiny bit.
Last time I read, control of the Upper and "richer" classes over the others was called Capitalism.

Say, if my memory serves me well, in Goldstein's book, though written by O´Brien and his pals, it is said that the "Party" and "Big Brother" were created by the upper class to control the Middle and Low Classes and never ever let go of power, not even a tiny bit.
Last time I read, control of the Upper and "richer" classes over the others was called Capitalism.

Orwell was a disenchanted Socialist. This is very clear by the positive view of the early revolution and closing metaphors in his book Animal Farm. Thus, he tended to view the revolution as a good thing that was perverted. This would explain why he had the upper classes ruling over through the revolution, as this is what he believed he saw in Russia (though in Animal Farm he sees more accurately).

And your view of capitalism is skewed. True capitalism requires a great level of social mobility to function properly, otherwise the Social Darwinism and motivation to succeed that makes capitalism work fails.

Yeah, but in 1984, as explained by O´Brien, classes do move.

Sons & Daughters of Inner Party members must take a test, if they are dumb, they get kicked out.
If an Outer Party Member is extremely smart, he gets in.

I would also like to point out that while capitalism gives more power to businesses by giving them economic freedom, socialism gives substantially more power to the politicians, politicians are hardly lower and middle class, and much more susceptible to corruption, especially since they have relatively little competettition compared to businesses, and in fact have everything in their power to make sure they have no compettetition. If you don't believe me come here to America and try campaigning for a third party. At least businesses have competettition to balance them out, and their power is much more limited than is the politicians in socialism and especially communism.

(and please forgive me if I spelled competettition or anything else wrong :P )

Yeah, but in 1984, as explained by O´Brien, classes do move.

Sons & Daughters of Inner Party members must take a test, if they are dumb, they get kicked out.
If an Outer Party Member is extremely smart, he gets in.

Yes, but what about the Proles(please excuse spelling, I read this a while ago)? And, once people are in the inner or outer party, do they not have substantial differences in political power which cannot be changed?

I would also like to point out that while capitalism gives more power to businesses by giving them economic freedom, socialism gives substantially more power to the politicians, politicians are hardly lower and middle class, and much more susceptible to corruption, especially since they have relatively little competettition compared to businesses, and in fact have everything in their power to make sure they have no compettetition. If you don't believe me come here to America and try campaigning for a third party. At least businesses have competettition to balance them out, and their power is much more limited than is the politicians in socialism and especially communism.

(and please forgive me if I spelled competettition or anything else wrong :P )

Brilliant. Thank you for pointing that out.

I would also like to point out that while capitalism gives more power to businesses by giving them economic freedom, socialism gives substantially more power to the politicians, politicians are hardly lower and middle class, and much more susceptible to corruption, especially since they have relatively little competettition compared to businesses, and in fact have everything in their power to make sure they have no compettetition. If you don't believe me come here to America and try campaigning for a third party. At least businesses have competettition to balance them out, and their power is much more limited than is the politicians in socialism and especially communism.

(and please forgive me if I spelled competettition or anything else wrong :P )

OOC: It only has three Ts. And since when have politicians had less competition than businesses? War and revolution, anyone?

OOC: It only has three Ts. And since when have politicians had less competition than businesses? War and revolution, anyone?

In a stable democratic republic, a two party system naturally emerges. This can lead to something similar to current situations in the US, where you must vote for the lesser evil, or sometimes the greater, but less threatening, evil.
It is still better than any other system of government, but it sucks.

This isn't NS General, can we please cut the OOC crap?

A draft letter from the Ancyra Newyth 133rd Day Soviet to the workers of the world was dispatched via the Soviet intranet and then the world-wide-web, and posted to as many states and NGOs as could be found and whose attention could be financially afforded.

It declared, firmly, that communism is not a belief, nor is it a tool for the oppressor or the oppressed, rather a single word expressing a natural and amicable state of affairs in free association between intelligent beings.

Further, it is said that attempts by the founders and joiners of the ACTO are engaged in bare-faced lies from the outset, claiming as they have that the intervention of financial autocracies such as their own have in the past been responsible for the faltering of communism. In the Indian Soviet Commonwealth any small child knows that Bolshevism is the only force that ever has confronted communism directly and won. Only autocracy can defeat communism, and autocracy shall be resisted for so long as human beings are born.

The Parties and families at the head of the elitist world openly declare their intent to deny the masses every opportunity for equality, justifying this by openly and forcibly -by this treaty- keeping-down the mass body and allowing the raising only of an elite for the next generation. The proletarians of the world, amidst such failures and treasons of those ruling classes, must understand that the hour has stuck for them to save the situation by taking into their own hands the direction of public affairs. They must, and shall -as they have in the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert- understand that it is their imperious duty and their absolute right to render themselves masters of their own destinies by siezing upon the governmental power.

The Soviets, Unions, and Senates of the Commonwealth are sworn by the same humane duties and opportunities to render all possible aid in the pursuit of such liberation. The threat of force -when it becomes action- levelled by the frightened, greedy few against the interests of the many shall invariably be swatted aside, and the 133rd Day Soviet of the city of Ancyra Newyth hereby announces its full intention to take-part in such resistance wherever and whenever it should be so required.

It finishes, All Power to the Soviets!

(OOC: Well, I'm leaving for Melbourne in a few days, and not taking my PC with me, so I probably can't follow-up on any of this unless I get hold of a super-cheap laptop or something, but I think it quite a shame now that I see the desperate need in mainstream NS for, you know, actual communists! Maybe I shall come back, someday, and throw against both sides -capitalists and Bolshevists- whatever my 7.6bln Geletian Sovietists have by then become. Until then!..)

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Good point, but, this being a Roleplay, I have the freedom to say that my politicians are middle class (in fact, the whole country is).

In a stable democratic republic, a two party system naturally emerges.

That's not a symptom of a stable democratic republic, its a symptom of the single member district plurality system in which America uses to select it's members of government. Actually, in most parliamentarian systems of democracy, the number usually rests between 3 and 5 major parties elected based on proportional representation.

Not that any of that has anything to do with the topic of this thread, but hey, when in Rome...

This isn't NS General, can we please cut the OOC crap?

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That's not a symptom of a stable democratic republic, its a symptom of the single member district plurality system in which America uses to select it's members of government. Actually, in most parliamentarian systems of democracy, the number usually rests between 3 and 5 major parties elected based on proportional representation.

Not that any of that has anything to do with the topic of this thread, but hey, when in Rome...

What you are describing as opposed to the American system(not to be confused with Henry Clay's) is not a democratic republic but a parliamentary one.
Though you are right that this has little to do with the thread at this point, and thus should stop.

Are you illiterate or are you ignoring the thread creator?

Are you illiterate or are you ignoring the thread creator?

My apologies. I began posting it before you posted that, and ended with a note agreeing with you.

Ah right, no problems.

The commuinists feel threatened because a number of rather powerful nations have made an org that's sole purpose is to stop the spread of communisim. They feel seriously threatened, both socially and Economically. It feels good...

The commuinists feel threatened because a number of rather powerful nations have made an org that's sole purpose is to stop the spread of communisim. They feel seriously threatened, both socially and Economically. It feels good...

You? Powerful?

Hah!

You? Powerful?

Hah!

We thank you for your highly productive comment, but request that you discontinue.

We thank you for your highly productive comment, but request that you discontinue.

Your ally agrees with Errikland. Stop making our alliance look bad, no more OOC comments in this thread. If you have a problem with that, talk to me about it on the UCN thread.

OOC: Allright guys. We have all said some stupid things in this thread, and I for one think that its gone slightly to far. Making IC insults and such is allright, thats the entire point of the game, but when it gets OOC , thats to far. Im not trying to be a killjoy, but this is getting kinda redicoules.

Well my anger stems from the fact that I have a low tolerance for nations who make alliances for "Insert group" destruction.
It's usually used to make a premptive dogpile for war mongering purposes. I also OOCly have low opinion on those who go for the cliche of "Let's go kill commies". It's been done on Nationstates for so long it's stupid. Where's the "Kill Theocracy" groups, the "Kill Facist" groups. Nope it's always either a commie bash, or commies bashing back. ICly My nation's anger stems from the fact that I nearly got destroyed by a group of Neo-Facists that were part of an "Anti communist group" because of a false claim of communism. So they now think that all Anti Communists groups are Neo-Facist.

No anti-Fash groups? LOL

Maybe I just notice them more because of my ideology, but I see them often. Even more often than I see pro-Fash groups...something that cannot be said for the pro-communist groups.

Hionestly, neither group should ignore one another, they should work with each other to create a good roleplaying enviroment.

But whatever, you want to be children, then be children. Ignore what you don't like simply because it's inconvenient to you. Means nothing to me, I'm just involved in this because my nation would be, not because I actually seek the destruction of communist nations.

[In a desperate attempt to save another thread from the breakers' yard...] Several [thousand] of the Indian Soviet Commonwealth's more than four-million Pantisocratic Phalansteries (autonomous communes, if you will) have followed the letter dispatched by the 133rd Ancyra-Newyth Soviet, pledging financial support and safe-haven for communist revolutionaries around the world.

Certainly it appears to be true that Sovietism is very much inferior in global popularity next to Party-oriented sham communism, but the Phalansteries by and large have made no distinction, possibly hoping to re-educate mis-guided Bolshevist-influenced 'wannabe-revolutionaries' who come for help.

(OOC: Again, I may not be able to follow-up on this fully, but I hate to see IC threads ultimately shut-down for IC reasons, unless they're built on a really stupid premise. Might I add that the anti-communists would do well to take lessons from reality, and consider the destruction of Yugoslavia a good example of how to (wrongfully) undermine and discredit socialist economics and turn rapid progress into murderous atrocity upon which free-market seeds can be sown? Many communist nations simply can't be beaten (BG, for example, has three billion armed citizen guards), much as even tiny Yugoslavia was too strong for either the Bolshevists or the capitalists to attack directly, but there's more to the world than ham-fisted warmaking and blunt embargos. If NS communism's going to take a beating while I'm away, I'd at least like it to be done well =) )

taggity

No anti-Fash groups? LOL
But whatever, you want to be children, then be children. Ignore what you don't like simply because it's inconvenient to you. Means nothing to me, I'm just involved in this because my nation would be, not because I actually seek the destruction of communist nations. I don't see as many that are directly anti-Fascist. I've seen a few that hate Neo-Fascists though.

Like I said I'm not going to Ignore it, I will be vocally against it but yeah it is immature to just Ignore whatever you don't like.

Oh Voxio send me a link to one of those groups, I'll complain about them to make it even.

"All Anti Communist Treaty Organization members enjoy the right to establish military bases in Zaire. Further, all companies headquartered in ACTO nations will enjoy complete tax-exemption should they set up in Zaire. Finally, all ACTO nations receive a 30% discount on any minerals they purchase from Zaire."


Marshal Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Wa Za Banga
President of the Republic of Zaire
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the Federation of Zanski would like to join ACTO, as we know democracy is the only way forward.

the Federation of Zanski would like to join ACTO, as we know democracy is the only way forward.
We will not, however, show any type of hostility towards communist nations.

Official Statement of the Czardaian Government
Primary broadcast: UK of Questaria
Secondary broadcast: All members of the ACTO

First of all, let it be known that the Whole Sort of General Mish Mash does not support or endorse any form of collectivism, whether it be communism, socialism, fascism, or Borgism. "You shall be assimilated! Resistance is futile!" ... er, sorry.

However, we question the ends of this alliance. Above all beliefs, Czardas holds that of national sovereignty; the right of each and every nation to do what it likes within its own borders. Thus, even if a nation adheres to some form of collectivism within its sovereign borders, we do not believe any nation has the right to go in and tell it otherwise. Therefore, we neither support nor endorse the Anti-Communist Treaty Organisation and will not knowingly or unknowingly offer economic, military, diplomatic, or political support to its members if they follow through with their stated aims of cleansing Communism from states that have voluntarily chosen it and practice it within their borders.

On the other hand, if this organisation seeks only to prevent communist nations from forcing noncommunist nations which they have vanquished in warfare or on the negotiating table to adhere to a collectivist ideology, Czardas will offer her endorsement to this alliance; however, as long as nations such as Kregaia are on its memberlist, we cannot justify supporting or joining this Treaty in any other way.

~ Kari Alhoun, Czardaian Foreign Minister

P.S. Hi Lucifer... how's your little succession war going? Still oppressing the masses and suchlike, I presume? Send my love to Lord Rahvin and the kids... and have fun in Aralonia or wherever it is. And thanks for discrediting ACTO for all of us. 'Night. -KA

Official Statement of the Czardaian Government
Primary broadcast: UK of Questaria
Secondary broadcast: All members of the ACTO

First of all, let it be known that the Whole Sort of General Mish Mash does not support or endorse any form of collectivism, whether it be communism, socialism, fascism, or Borgism. "You shall be assimilated! Resistance is futile!" ... er, sorry.

However, we question the ends of this alliance. Above all beliefs, Czardas holds that of national sovereignty; the right of each and every nation to do what it likes within its own borders. Thus, even if a nation adheres to some form of collectivism within its sovereign borders, we do not believe any nation has the right to go in and tell it otherwise. Therefore, we neither support nor endorse the Anti-Communist Treaty Organisation and will not knowingly or unknowingly offer economic, military, diplomatic, or political support to its members if they follow through with their stated aims of cleansing Communism from states that have voluntarily chosen it and practice it within their borders.

On the other hand, if this organisation seeks only to prevent communist nations from forcing noncommunist nations which they have vanquished in warfare or on the negotiating table to adhere to a collectivist ideology, Czardas will offer her endorsement to this alliance; however, as long as nations such as Kregaia are on its memberlist, we cannot justify supporting or joining this Treaty in any other way.

~ Kari Alhoun, Czardaian Foreign Minister

P.S. Hi Lucifer... how's your little succession war going? Still oppressing the masses and suchlike, I presume? Send my love to Lord Rahvin and the kids... and have fun in Aralonia or wherever it is. And thanks for discrediting ACTO for all of us. 'Night. -KA

You defense of sovereignty is quite commendable. However, know that Communism is an ideology that involves making the entire world Communist; thus, Communism in a nation is not merely an issue of those within the nation, but of all the rest in the world. The adaptation of many communist policies, while likely not including the world domination part, is in fact socialism, something that this alliance makes no mention of in their name.

We wished to make this clear to you, so that you could better understand this alliance, and possibly get involved if this objection was your only issue.

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All I have to say.

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All I have to say.

IMO that chapter was awesome.

"The Soviet Union will take no actions"
"Didnt the Soviet Union fall in 1991?"
"THATS WHAT YOU THOUGHT, MWHAHAH!"
*Lenin comes from grave, parade carts turn into tanks, Soviet Soldiers come out of nowhere*

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All I have to say.

IMO that chapter was awesome.

"The Soviet Union will take no actions"
"Didnt the Soviet Union fall in 1991?"
"THATS WHAT YOU THOUGHT, MWHAHAH!"
*Lenin comes from grave, parade carts turn into tanks, Soviet Soldiers come out of nowhere*

While I remember that and think it was very funny, please relocate this discussion.

*name pannel flips*

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All I have to say.

ROFL!!! Perfect place to put that :D

GruntsandElites, please calm down. It's NationStates, and it's called roleplaying (AKA pretending). Don't go looking for trouble, or you'll get it ten fold. Oh, I know. I have started, one, two, three, yeah, three threads where I didn't even go looking for trouble but I got it. People like TWSP, especially I got it from. In fact, I don't think I had any supporters. By the way, don't tell me to calm down, it doesn't help when I'm mad. I just get madder. I prefer to fume silently. Telling people to calm down, at least in my eyes, makes you seem like a self-righteous imbecile. Seriously, you probably aren't, but it just seems that way to me. I also know what roleplaying is. I have been on this site for, oh, three years? Two. No, three. Yeah, three.

C'mon, obviously TWSP was joking. Even if he wasn't, you like democracies, right? So that means you support free speech. So you don't call someone a dumba** because they voice their opinions, fake or not.
I know. So was I. Not really, to many flaws inherent in the system. I prefer meritocracies. Actually, if I support free speech, which I do, then I have every right to call him a dumbass, wether his opinions are fake or not. It works both ways, not just for the party being insulted. So, um, that is really all I have to say. Probably the lst you'll hear of me. So, bye.

Oh, I know. I have started, one, two, three, yeah, three threads where I didn't even go looking for trouble but I got it. People like TWSP, especially I got it from.


WTF?

How dare you judge me without knowing me?

WTF?

How dare you judge me without knowing me?

Would you please stop filling this thread?

Would you please stop filling this thread?

Would you please stop answering to posts that are not directed at you?

Would you please stop answering to posts that are not directed at you?

I was not answering posts not directed at me, I was merely politely requesting that you move on to another thread and allow those involved in this alliance to use this one without having to go through lots of outside commentary and off topic stuff.

Yes I agree, honestly we've already asked politely stop with the ooc BS

and questers why am i still not on the alliance? anarchy not good enough for your capitalist alliance? ;)

Would you please stop answering to posts that are not directed at you?

Would you please get the fuck out my thread after I've made several requests for people to stop posting totally irellevent shit?

The Maldorian Empire would like to join this alliance but we are a member of the CA. Is that a problem?

Thank you,
Sara Fett
Minister of Foreign Affairs.

Would you please stop answering to posts that are not directed at you?

WSP, I already asked you to stop spamming this thread, now I'm telling you: cut it the fuck out. It violates TOS and it makes the UCN look bad.

You defense of sovereignty is quite commendable. However, know that Communism is an ideology that involves making the entire world Communist; thus, Communism in a nation is not merely an issue of those within the nation, but of all the rest in the world. The adaptation of many communist policies, while likely not including the world domination part, is in fact socialism, something that this alliance makes no mention of in their name.

We wished to make this clear to you, so that you could better understand this alliance, and possibly get involved if this objection was your only issue.

This is not accurate, except in the ignorant minds of Errikland. Marx believed it, and other communists did as well. It does not make it a set, or even defining, feature of communism.

There are plenty of communist states, such as chellis, who want to be left the hell alone, without trying to convert nations.

Would you please get the fuck out my thread after I've made several requests for people to stop posting totally irellevent shit?

Sure, why not?

*Leaves thread to never return*

ICCD exercises a freemarket, with everyone having equal rights to estalish business subject to universal state laws. Everyone pays the same taxes and you cannot find a more equal system. The only limit is on domestic ownership (capped at personal assets of around 10 Million Dian Gold Standard Cuneus (17 Million NS$'s, athough foreign ownership is unlimited and foreign assets are not taxed.)

Importation does not see any levies, but must pay general inspection fees or visas, to cover the cost of health and safetly services. All exports see the standard 20% goods export value flat fee that goes to the state coffers. All domestic sales in Dian Currency see the standard 20% greedtax on markup from the gross production/services cost with service being offset by the human hourly wage value. So in these respects The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei exercises a freemarket, it is even a freer market when using foreign currencies, which do not have a state sanctioned trade value, as private banks set foreign currency exchange rates form the funds they hold.

The Empire insures social welfare by compensating producers, and in any way that a expropriation of goods or deeded land to occur would only be in an emergency circumstance, with the expropriated party receiving fair compensation.

Citizens are entitled to receive land deeds for reasonable use from the courts,deeds may be challenged on reasonable grounds, in general exercise of the most reasonable use will continue to see a deed from the courts vested in the individual, on top of this, there are no property taxes! So the government can't take the property away for something like not having money to pay property taxes then loosing your property in a government tax sale. The only way you can loose your property is to not have a reasonable use for it, while someone else does.

The Holy Empire has a very well established Judicature and enshrined in its' consitution is the basic premise for the Imperium and the citizens duty to uphold the constitution, and thus the law. Furthermore an array of legislatures guide public services, while the Emergency Services is dutied to protect the public with resources allocated and inhereted for the purpose, there are many other institutions within the Empire and its' provinces that assist the public be safe and secure from dominantion or abuses by otherwise dishonourable and unjust parties.

The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei has no intention of spreading communism in respect to expansion for the sake of communism, although it does not see any harm with the basic concepts of communism, it understands that forced change by means of oppression and circumvention of basic human rights upon a civil body is never the right approach, if that civil society is not militant. The will of the citizenry should be respected irregardless of what thier personal beleifs happen to be.

The Holy Empire of Intacircumcordei allows open public formation in the Provincial Houses of Commons based on popular represention with a fully democatic representation where every persons vote counts, but where a figure head may present issues where someone else may not be available in person or space or time are limited. The Gens is the "Political Party" or families or kin assembly and it fully respects every individuals' right to form a legal civil body. This is further entrenched with the Civis where every individual may choose their cultural representative to look after their personal cultural citizenship veiws. There are also the Dumas which allow the provinces legislatures chosen representatives to speak within the Empire with the other provinces and form a consensus of needs and coordinate amongst the Provinces. There are a number of other bodies as well, and finally this eventually forms into the Imperial Senate, a composition of all major leaders in the empire, major city mayors, heads of government departments, popularly elected representatives etc.. and specific leaders from the different houses of government. All of this is overseen by the Emperor a life time civil servant, who organizes the local branches of the administration from among other life time civil servants, who were at one time popularly elected on a number of levels of government. The spread of communism as a forced ideology is not on the agenda of the Holy Empire of Intracircumcordie; although, it does not harbour animosity towards communism and fully well allows individual who organize under communist principles to do so.

The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei is prepared to stave off unwarrented acts of aggression and blunt forced ideologies from being unwillingly placed upon civil bodies.

The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei feels our unity is vital in preventing communist oppression.

Logothe of the Drome, the Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei

Hi Lucifer... how's your little succession war going? Still oppressing the masses and suchlike, I presume? Send my love to Lord Rahvin and the kids... and have fun in Aralonia or wher[/i]ever it is. And thanks for discrediting ACTO for all of us. 'Night. -KA

To Kari Alhoun:

It's going well, thank you, and Rahvin's fine; he's a High Lord now, if you didn't know, and he hopes to see you and all your friends again someday. How much did it cost you to rebuild Aurdania? And Senazkerkia, and Auru? I imagine your people might be afraid to live there again after what we did...regardless, enjoy your war with the Imperium Doomanum...I seem to recall they had some part in the last war...

Lucifer of Domain Halcyon

OOC: I just had to. :D

OOC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504836

Could I point everyone there so they commies don't get in?

This is not accurate, except in the ignorant minds of Errikland. Marx believed it, and other communists did as well. It does not make it a set, or even defining, feature of communism.

There are plenty of communist states, such as chellis, who want to be left the hell alone, without trying to convert nations.

If they are truely communist, then it is accurate. Communism is meant to spread until it is the entire world. If you do not support this doctrine, you are not true communists, regardless of how communist your other policies are. It is not we who are the ignorant ones, and we would appriciate it if you would cease in this accusation.

Also, please allow this alliance to move forward with its business with no further interruptions.

(OOC: Are we supposed to stop all arguing about this stuff in here?)

^^^ whose definition of communism are you using.

communism boils down to collective ownership by the people of the means of production

communism derives from "the commune" a collective of people that support common defence. That way the 40 peasants could take on 1 mounted warrior, rather than 1 mounted warrior bullying 40 people individually.

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I think that you may have your "definition of communism" from entirely exagerated and red scare sources. Although a communist society can be imperialistic (you described imperialism), expansionist etc.. communism, is actually usually the opposite, it focuses on internal stability, and usually isolation from other parties, i.e. self suficiency, but neither is a requirement.

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I thought I would add, that capitalism is stated to required external markets to be sustainable, otherwise the weath pools in the hands of the few, unless equal trade occurs. If = trade occured it would be communism.

To Kari Alhoun:

It's going well, thank you, and Rahvin's fine; he's a High Lord now, if you didn't know, and he hopes to see you and all your friends again someday. How much did it cost you to rebuild Aurdania? And Senazkerkia, and Auru? I imagine your people might be afraid to live there again after what we did...regardless, enjoy your war with the Imperium Doomanum...I seem to recall they had some part in the last war...

Lucifer of Domain Halcyon
Yeah well... didn't cost us too much extra, the funds were kindly provided by your friends in Shenyang... and, we also hope to see Rahvin again. That was fun. Is he still using the "human wave" tactic in battle? Must be kind of difficult against rebel groups; then again, you obviously can't have any rebel groups, because everyone in your nation is soooo loyal that you can go invade enemy nations with millions of troops without hearing a peep of protest from them, eh?

And yeah, Imperivm Doomanvm is going pretty well... although you may notice that there's been a slight, uh, change in Czardaian military doctrine since our little tiff. I blame YOU! It's all YOUR FAULT! ;-)

Anyway, we should really get together for tea and scones some time. I hear that the head cooks at Mariosz Military Detention Centre make really nice ones.

~ Kari Alhoun, Czardaian Foreign Minister


OOC: I just had to. :D
[So did I. :p]

Rather than joining the mud-slinging, I would like to point out that the world,
ever-so-incoveniently is not as black and white as we would like it to be. Even if we do adopt a philosophy that goverment's role is only to protect citizens from harm done by others and not to interfere with the economic process, we will quicky find ourselves in a situation where the ignored nuances will pre-empt our intended system of government. Namely, there are two issues that the government must take control over in order for the free market to continue to exist. These are access to non-renewable resources and prevention of monopolies. These must be in the hands of the government rather than the market forces for the following reasons. If the access to the non-renewable resources (air, water, forrests, etc.) is not regulated, there is a danger of a private party in a temporary position of power (arrived there due to volatilities in the market) seizing control of large portions of these resources and destroying them without providing any benefit to the society or planning for the future renewal of these resources or giving any consideration of how lack of these resources will threaten our very survival. Thus this is actually a security issue and as such belongs in the hands of the government. The government must consider future needs for environmental resources before allowing their spenditure to satisfy immediate needs. The second issue of monoplies is simple as well. The benefit of the free market is not only that it is the right of the owners to dispense with their property as they see please (i.e, the freedom of ownership) but also the fact it creates a competive economy. In a competive economy progress occurs because people try to win a competive advantage by creating what was not yet possible. In a planned economy progress occurs because people try to create new products based on what is already known and possible. Therefore, in a planned economy progress is much slower. Any company achieving a monopoly position in some industry puts it in the position of being the sole decider of what is to be done in that market place in the future. That is just another way of saying that the power of being the sole planner is achieved by the said company.
This, ofcourse makes this monopoly a socialist institution and destroys free market in the said industry. Therefore, to maintain a free market, the government must disallow monopolies. If and when monopolies are inevitable (it questionable that they ever are) the government must treat monopolies as semi-government institutions subject to government oversight.

Official Response of the Allanean Government to the Pythogrian 'Comments

As a matter of fact, quite a few things in the universe are 'conventiently black and white'. Yes, a lot of things exist in the world that are gray, or blue, or pink. Some things, however, are black – or red, as the case may be. Communism is one of these things. There is no moral justification for communism, and communism – is – evil. There is no evading that fact:

There are moral absolutes. Good and evil exist. Communism is evil. Those who support communism are evil as well.

Because Allanea supports freedom of speech, we cannot silence – indeed, will not silence – the supporters of communism that support it merely with their opinion. However, once the communist puts his deeds into action, and starts confiscating private property without restitution, collectivizing farms, or purging intellectuals – then, the response of Allanea is simple.

The response of Allanea to such a communist will hinge on such complex philosophical arguments as the cluster bomb, the napalm munition, the MIRV. We will argue out point with the rifle and bayonet, the grenade and pistol, until there is no more farm confiscation and collectivization, no more Gulags and state monopolies, but only freedom.

Communism is brute force. Our is only to pit, against the mere brute force of communism the power for brute force – backed by a mind dedicated to the maintenance of human liberty.

As such, we would like to thank the Pythagorians for encouraging us to join the ACTO. As a matter of fact, this is also our official ACTO application.

Sincerely yours,
Victoria Sheshet, the United States Secretary of State

P.S. We have mailed your leaders copies of books on basic economics. We would like to remind the Pythagorians that monopolies and duopolies are usually maintained and propped up by government regulation or subsidies, prohibiting market entry. We would also like to remind the Pythagorians that water is a renewable resource. So is air – as long as you allow people to sue polluters in a civil court. Forests are also a renewable resource – trees grow.

OOC: Yes I know, but just making a little propaganda =p As Oceania was more... corporative and right wing than communist.
OOC: No, no it wasn't. Practically every aspect of Oceania and its history was modeled one-to-one from some aspect of Soviet Russia. Big Brother himself was a virtual clone of good ol' Uncle Joe. The ruling organization was 'the Party' and managed the people through fear, rationing, and disinformation. There was nothing corporate or right-wing about it. You might want to actually read the book before commenting on it.

IC: Menelmacar will watch this organization carefully with an approving eye. While we will not formally join ACTO at this time, we share much of its ideology and views on economics and communism. Regretfully, while the Eternal Noldorin Empire is what would be considered one of the larger cats in the jungle, there is limits to the amount of evil even we can snuff out at a time. Best of luck to you.

OOC: No, no it wasn't. Practically every aspect of Oceania and its history was modeled one-to-one from some aspect of Soviet Russia. Big Brother himself was a virtual clone of good ol' Uncle Joe. The ruling organization was 'the Party' and managed the people through fear, rationing, and disinformation. There was nothing corporate or right-wing about it. You might want to actually read the book before commenting on it.

IC: Menelmacar will watch this organization carefully with an approving eye. While we will not formally join ACTO at this time, we share much of its ideology and views on economics and communism. Regretfully, while the Eternal Noldorin Empire is what would be considered one of the larger cats in the jungle, there is limits to the amount of evil even we can snuff out at a time. Best of luck to you.

We do hope that Menelmacar doesn't consider Chellis as part of this evil. This alliance was created for the purpose of opposing a communist alliance that we are a part of. We should think our long time friends wouldn't let a little thing like an economic system get between us.

The formation of this anti-communist alliance has been noted with growing dissatisfaction within the Madnestian population and government. We are a communist nation, and you're against us. We have in several occasions aided different communist factions in different civil wars, and plan to continue doing so in the future. Therefore we must fear aggression from this alliance against us, and we're forced to join whatever communist treaty organizations and militar alliances we can find.

Blame yourselves, you reactionary scum! You've just gained another enemy.

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan

The formation of this anti-communist alliance has been noted with growing dissatisfaction within the Madnestian population and government. We are a communist nation, and you're against us. We have in several occasions aided different communist factions in different civil wars, and plan to continue doing so in the future. Therefore we must fear aggression from this alliance against us, and we're forced to join whatever communist treaty organizations and militar alliances we can find.

Blame yourselves, you reactionary scum! You've just gained another enemy.

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC COMMUNIQUE

To Warchief Tamujid

The Sacred Emperor wishes to announce that not only is he disinterested in the rodentlike scrabbling for defense of a Red cesspit like your so-called 'nation', but simply by being a Red, you were already our enemy. All you have accomplished is to attract the attention of an alliance devoted to your destruction. Felicitations.

Darian Aurelius, Minister of Foreign Affairs

You might want to actually read the book before commenting on it.


Which I did, duh!

Now, WSP AWAY!

*Jumps off thread*

If there really are nations ready to test themselves against us, just come and try. We'd just preferr real powers and armed forces, not any silly bandit factions such as The Whatevers and alike.
Killing them is not worth the cost of bullets, even though their blood would look good on our white beaches, making them red which would fit better to the idea of our nation.

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan

Hey guys I'm back.

South Lizasaurians despise how communists disregard life and how they destroy individuality! We shall join and aid you in any way we can.

South Lizasaurians despise how communists disregard life and how they destroy individuality!

*nod*
That does sound like us...

In Responce to ACTO,

The small country of Firemanistan does not consider this movement of such a large populace a good idea. Nonetheless, it does recognize this newly formed coalition of countries banded together for a common cause. We also state that we are completely neutral should hostilities break out. We wish this new alliance well and hope they can continue promoting their ways under peaceful terms.

Sir Dalton of Firemanistan

Communist societies, dictatorships of the proletariat, collectivist 'economies' are all a grave and dangerous threat to the capitalist nations of the world that provide their people with the luxury - with the basic freedom, of a free market economy. Communism was once strong, and it faded due to the efforts of concerted nations - but now, it is rising, and the United Kingdom will not stand and watch the red menace grow, plot, and turn on the free nations of the world with its greedy claws outstretched.

Member nations must have, in at least the most basic sense of the word, a free market economy. There may be state businesses, but there must be no - very little state intervention and the state must in no way, shape, or form regulate or set supply and demand, which must be freely managed by the market. Furthermore the right for citizens to own private property and for private businesses to take legal action against the goverment must be upheld.

SIC Message to Questers

Having read your charter, it seems to us that Clandonia Prime does not meet your membership requirements. That nation uses slave labor, which contradicts a number of the basic tenets of your alliance. Their slaves do not enjoy "basic freedom". Their slaves do not have the right to own property or private businesses. They certainly lack the right to take legal action against their government.

We suspect you were unaware of Clandonia Prime's barbaric practices, and figured we should inform you before they tarnish your good name.

Best wishes,
Angelina Whittaker
Secretary of State

OOC: Linky http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505573

OOC: Sorry to respond OOC to a secret IC message, but the loophole there seems to be that Clandonian slaves are probably not citizens. The requirement is that citizens and private businesses, not slaves, must be able to do the things you mention.

Official Communique of the Office of the Imperial Government of the Empire of Pure Japan

From: Tenzo Abe, Imperial Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Empire of Pure Japan
To: The Anti Communist Treaty Organisation (ACTO)

The Empire of Pure Japan wishes to declare it's desire to join the Anti Communist Treaty Organisation (ACTO).

This declaration has the consent and blessing of the Divine Emperor, Showa and both the Office of the Prime Minister and the Imperial Government of the Empire of Pure Japan.

The Empire is in full knowledge of the very real and very potent danger that World Bolshevism poses and the Empire urges all nations that value and seek to defend and uphold their security, wellbeing, prosperity and sovereignty, to join this noble alliance against World Bolshevism.

The unity of nations against the hordes of the World Bolshevik menace is the only path to victory and we must all work towards that fine and noble objective.

The Empire informs the nation's of the World Bolshevik conspiracy that the Empire's decision to join the noble cause of the ACTO does not in any way represent a direct threat to your nations, nor does it in any way indicate any desire by the Empire to work and collaborate with other ACTO signatory nations against the nations of the World Bolshevik conspiracy.

From:

Imperial Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Empire of Pure Japan

Tenzo Abe

The emperor sighed aloud as he stamped the official letter being sent out to the alliance by the foreign affairs ministry. "Oh well, it sounded like a worthy cause, but I guess we weren't good enough."

Official Invoice from Darvainia
Due to your blatant ignoring of our request to join the ACTO, Darvainia has withdrawn its offer and request for membership. We applied a very long time ago and have received no response, and waiting involves too much paperwork for our taste. Yucky! Paperwork! Therefore we have lost all patience and withdrawn from the alliance.

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC COMMUNIQUE

To all members of ACTO, and especially the United Kingdom of Questaria:

It is the suggestion of the Sacred Emperor that ACTO hold a conference to discuss a number of issues; among others, he mentions the spread of Communism and our steps to halt it, the establishment of the Union of Communist Nations, the civil measures we must take against the Reds...there are many things this new alliance must decide, and the Sacred Emperor simply wishes to suggest we do so soon.

Darian Aurelius, Minister of Foreign Affairs

*glorified bump* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507637)

To the leading members of ACTO:

After conferring with my ministers, I wish to extend a hand of friendship and membership to your alliance and bring Lower Columbia into your numbers. Henceforth, the ever-growing military of my nation will be available for ACTO's service, and our markets will be open to our fellow members' merchants and stockbrokers. May our fellowship long outlast the red menace we are united against!

Sincerely,
His Majesty King Zachary
Dispatched from the Royal Palace, Kendall, LC

I'd like to inform you all that though my nation is socialist, I have:

A: Just as good an economy

B: Better Civil Rights than most of you

C: More Political Freedoms than most of you



....perhaps thats just the RL Libertarian in me though.

I'd like to inform you all that though my nation is socialist, I have:

A: Just as good an economy

B: Better Civil Rights than most of you

C: More Political Freedoms than most of you



....perhaps thats just the RL Libertarian in me though.

OOC: Socialist does not = authoritarian.

Official Comunique from His Majesty Pierre Soult, Emperor of Greater Dyelli Beybi

In recent months the Bolsevik Government within Dyelli Beybi was overthrown by a wise and far sighted Neo-Liberal (OOC: ie extreme right wing) regime led by the then General Pierre Soult. Under his just leadership it has been our goal to deregulate and privatise the many industries within greater Dyelli Beybi. However before such schemes could be put truly realised, we have come under attack from an Alliance of Rebel factions, prominent among which is the Red Faction.

It is the feeling of the Government of Pierre Soult that many of the Povincial troops in East Benjia and New Dyelli owe allegiance to one of the Rebel factions. While the Army of Dyelli Beybi is massive, when we discount troops of dubious loyalty, those involved in the suppression of insurrection among the desert tribes and those garrisoning turbulent provinces or safeguarding the Eastern Border, we have relatively few troops on hand to suppress the growing insurrection. Without aid, New Dyelli and East Benjia are likely to fall into rebel hands, and without these key agrarian districts, the popuation of the Djel Valley will be starved into surrender.

Dyelli Beybi humbly requests to be delivered from the evil machinations of the Red Faction. One only needs to look at the current state of Dyelli Beybi's Economy to understand the damage these Bolsheviks have done and will continue to do if unhecked.

Yours with the greatest respect,
Tania Fradkov,
Secretary to the Emperor

OOC: Main thread for this war is here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508458
I'd prefer to run any negotiations in a side thread though.

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL STATEMENT

To all members of ACTO

The situation presented by Dyelli Beybi is a grave one. A capitalist nation with great potential, under attack by the Reds and possibly teetering on the brink of Bolshevik assimilation. By the sound of it, the Communists have already established a foothold, and without aid, will drive the Capitalists of Dyelli Beybi back further and further until they are gone.

This situation is intolerable.

The Imperium pledges economic and logistical support, as well as accepting Beybian (OOC: Dyellian? Beybian?) refugees; we regret greatly that we cannot do much more, as millions of troops and thousands of warships are currently embroiled in a war with the socialist cesspit known as Kahanistan. However, the Kregaian Imperium, as a member state of ACTO, endorses the Beybian cause and calls out to the other members for aid. This alliance has tremendous power to halt to Red advance; we must use it! Was ACTO created for nothing? The Imperium does not believe this, and so we shall fight the Bolshevik threat by every possible means, until they are eradicated at last.

Darian Aurelius, Minister of Foreign Affairs

Official Response from the Greater Empire of Dyelli Beybi

The Nation of Dyelli Beybi experienced 8 years of Bolshevik rule before the arrival of the current Government. We thank all Nations ready to help stem the Red Tide. We find it almost unbelievable that the half sister of the Tzar so cruely murdered by the Bolshevik Navy 8 years ago, the so called Tzarina of Dyelli Beybi has chosen to through her forces into this Unspeakable Alliance.

Once again, we thank all Nations for their support.

Regards,
Tania Fradkov


Official Response from the Royal Alliance Embassy to the Klatchian Federation, Port Olympus

We would advise that any intervention in Dyelli Beybi will undoubtedly be met with fierce resistance both from the people themselves and from the Federated Klatchian Coast as a United Enitity.

It is with great forboding that I warn you that the Klatchian Federation will tolerate no such trespasses on Klatchian soil and that the next President of the Federated Klatchian Coast is likely to be closely linked to the Royal Alliance.

The people of Dyelli Beybi will be free.

Vladimir Dzerzhinsky,
Ambassador to Port Olympus,
Spokesman for the Royal Alliance

We, the Imperial Empire of Demon 666, will pledge that we will drive out the world of Communism in Dyelli Beybi.
Expect aid soon.

OOC: Socialist does not = authoritarian.

Official Comunique from His Majesty Pierre Soult, Emperor of Greater Dyelli Beybi

In recent months the Bolsevik Government within Dyelli Beybi was overthrown by a wise and far sighted Neo-Liberal (OOC: ie extreme right wing) regime led by the then General Pierre Soult. Under his just leadership it has been our goal to deregulate and privatise the many industries within greater Dyelli Beybi. However before such schemes could be put truly realised, we have come under attack from an Alliance of Rebel factions, prominent among which is the Red Faction.

It is the feeling of the Government of Pierre Soult that many of the Povincial troops in East Benjia and New Dyelli owe allegiance to one of the Rebel factions. While the Army of Dyelli Beybi is massive, when we discount troops of dubious loyalty, those involved in the suppression of insurrection among the desert tribes and those garrisoning turbulent provinces or safeguarding the Eastern Border, we have relatively few troops on hand to suppress the growing insurrection. Without aid, New Dyelli and East Benjia are likely to fall into rebel hands, and without these key agrarian districts, the popuation of the Djel Valley will be starved into surrender.

Dyelli Beybi humbly requests to be delivered from the evil machinations of the Red Faction. One only needs to look at the current state of Dyelli Beybi's Economy to understand the damage these Bolsheviks have done and will continue to do if unhecked.

Yours with the greatest respect,
Tania Fradkov,
Secretary to the Emperor

OOC: Main thread for this war is here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508458
I'd prefer to run any negotiations in a side thread though.

I know this, however most of you do not. If you did, your charter would not accuse Socialist Nations such as myself for being corrupt totalitarian states.


I'm quite Libertarian, and yet I am also a Socialist.

Official Statement of the Crown Commonwealth of Praetonia

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Following a vote in Parliament and subsequent ratification by His Majesty, the Crown Commonwealth of Praetonia wishes to sign the treaty of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organisation. Whilst it should be asserted that an early day motion condemning repressive so-called "capitalist" states like The Warmaster was also passed by Parliament, His Majesty's Government is willing to work in a limited capacity with them for the sake of defeating a greater of two evils.

His Majesty's Government feels that joining ACTO is an unequivocal expression of the Crown Commonwealth's ardent belief in the virtue and necessity of liberalism, not only in generating prosperity, peace and progress, but also as a function of the common rights of man, and its disdain for the vile authoritarian practise of enforced collectivisation which destroys endeavour, enterprise and oppurtunity.

His Majesty's Government has the greatest faith in the ACTO to eliminate at least some of the authoritarianism that plagues the world today.

God Save the King!

OOC: I know this; however, most of you do not. If you did, your charter would not accuse socialist nations such as myself of being corrupt totalitarian states.

I'm quite libertarian, and yet I am also a socialist.

OOC: I think it's propagandistic IC.

IC:

DEMOCRATIC SOVIET REPUBLIC OF KAHANISTAN
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Government of Kahanistan is alarmed by the number of democracies and former democracies signing up to join this organization of militant fanatics, including nations we have counted as allies, such as Velkya and Demon 666, and trade partners such as Praetonia.

While we do have a limited free market, we are, as stated in our Constitution, a socialist state with an immense degree of personal liberty for our citizens. We are shocked that our own allies and trade partners would sling mud on our economic system in this fashion, even admitting nations such as Clandonia Prime and Kregaia, notorious abusers of human rights, into this group.

We might also point out that many of the most evil regimes in the world are not Communist; the Kraven Corporation, Automagfreek, and the CAD states, for example, are certainly not Communist, and the civil and political freedoms in Soviet Kahanistan (which, contrary to CAD propaganda, is social democratic and not truly Communist) are far superior to the freedoms in most of the aforementioned nations. Furthermore, anti-Communism has often been used historically to justify repressions, mask fascism, or even support blatant anti-Semitism.

Signed,
Margaret Delray,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

(OOC: The "CAD propaganda" she's referring to is the claim made by Doom during the First ViZion War, that Kahanistan was a nation of Communist heathens, or something to that effect.)

Official Reply from the Allanean Government

Technically, we do consider Kraven to be a communist nation, since in Kraven, the state owns all the means of production. Even tohugh Kraven is technically called a 'corporation', it is a State - given it's claim on the use of coercive force, a privilege, normally, of governments and nation.


Link for Dyelli (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12015935&postcount=43)

Official Clandonian Response

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Socialism is one of the most terrifying regimes ever seen in the modern world. The calling of Clandonia Prime as a nation full of abuse is in an insult. We have seen the damage socialism can do, millions died in the anrcho-communist rebelions many years ago. Clandonia has given aid to many nations facing a Marxist threat and we will continue that actions.

Clandonia is 100% committed to enforcing the free market liberal economic principles our fathers implaced in the great lands. If these were to come unde threat then the nation as an organic entity would cease to exist. The Kraven Corporation is one of the most evil regimes ever seen, it is a communist nation and if any Clandonian allies are attacked we will commit forces to aid you.

For the Empire!

DEMOCRATIC SOVIET REPUBLIC OF KAHANISTAN
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Communist Party of Kahanistan would argue that the Kraven Corporation is run by the military and while the bourgeoisie may have been overthrown, the workers are politically and economically dispossessed, as the worker in Kraven is exploited and effectively enslaved to the bidding of the Corporation, which profits from this exploitative relationship while the people barely have enough to eat. The term they would use to describe Kraven is "degenerated workers' state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerated_workers'_state)."

One will find that the Communists in this nation are as strongly opposed to the Kraven Corporation, if not more so, than the more economically rightist politicians in the Supreme Soviet.

We stand by our statement regarding Clandonia Prime and its morally abhorrent practice of slavery.

Signed,
Margaret Delray,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Constitutional Monarchy of the United Ed States wishes to join this alliance. We are willing to fight and die for the right wing capitalist state (which we love so).

OOC: And yes, I know that my nation's UN status is "Democratic Socialists". I was as furious as you will be when you see it. I am trying to turn my UN category back to Capitalizt or atleast Moralistic Democracy, but the going is slow...

From the Office of the United Soviet Party of Trasa.

The members of the USPT have expressed their concern that this could potentially violate the fundamental laws of free politics and wish to inform you that while we will not do anything to threaten this...Movement, we will not hesitate to defend ourselves as well as any other Communist Nation that may be targeted by you.

Now we do not wish war, but if we are pushed or any Communist Nation who asks for our help is persecuted then we will take steps to ensure that their Elected government continues on and is not destroyed by those who would wish to harm it.

Yes there have been failures with Communism in the past, but that is because it became polluted with corruption, however, we Trasians have been living under Communism for over 1,000 years and we have not collapsed...So i say this...Do not underestimate the Communist's will to survive...That is all.

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The Blackhelm Confederacy is being besieged by Communist Rebels, and the communist elements in the GASN are ready to overthrow the current free market economy and replace it with their brand of communist illusions.

[END]

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC

There are times in any nation's history when the morals which that nation had always held dear must be compromised. The Imperium recently experienced such a thing, when it petitioned the United Kingdom of Questers for admission into ACTO. Questers and the Imperium were and are enemies, at war over the Questarian aggression against the Imperium Doomanum. Why would the Imperium lower itself to consort with such nations? Answer this question, and the Government of Kahanistan's puzzlement is also resolved. The United Kingdom, as the founder of ACTO, lowered itself to accept the Imperium for the same reason that the Imperium lowered itself to accept the United Kingdom: Communism and Socialism, in all their forms, must be fought, or the human race itself is lost.

The Imperium has been accused countless times of violations of international law (which does not bind the Imperium, having never agreed to any such laws), inalienable human rights, et cetera. On the other hand, the Imperium despises Questers, as an associate of many of the Sacred Emperor's most hated enemies, as well as Praetonia. Yet these nations have shown they can cooperate for a great cause: the destruction of the Red threat. Is this not an illustration of the lengths to which those cognizant of the danger posed by the Bolshevists will go in order to ensure security?

Make no mistake-and this is directed specifically at the Government of Kahanistan-Communism and Socialism are nothing less than forms of mob rule, philosophies akin to the twisted ramblings of a crack-addicted vagrant that distract from the light of the gods and the majesty of the Sacred Emperor. The Imperium cares nothing for international opinion of its deeds, and Clandonia Prime is now a friend of the Imperium due to its membership in ACTO. Whatever transgressions it has committed in the past now might be forgiven, because of their foresight in joining the alliance with the greatest chance of finally destroying the Red pestilence. Kraven, on the other hand, is a pit of posturing fools, lords of a nation of cannibal slaves, with hammers for brains: useful for blunt force, but a poor choice in war and utterly useless beyond this. There is no forgiveness for them, though they are not Communists per se, and their time is coming quickly. In any case, the arguments of the Kahanistanis are as flawed as their form of government, and have no effect on anything, the whimperings of a Socialist cesspool who senses the impending fall of the guillotine's blade.

Darian Aurelius, Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: IC, my nation is such an asshole...makes for fun writing, though. :)

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S/CDP, the Socialist/Communist Defense Pact has been formed. The Bolsheviks are at it again.

Why do we help? We have our own interests, but publicly we cannot be seen doing this against communists.

Call us, Deep Throat.

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OOC: I think it's propagandistic IC.

IC:

DEMOCRATIC SOVIET REPUBLIC OF KAHANISTAN
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Government of Kahanistan is alarmed by the number of democracies and former democracies signing up to join this organization of militant fanatics, including nations we have counted as allies, such as Velkya and Demon 666, and trade partners such as Praetonia.

While we do have a limited free market, we are, as stated in our Constitution, a socialist state with an immense degree of personal liberty for our citizens. We are shocked that our own allies and trade partners would sling mud on our economic system in this fashion, even admitting nations such as Clandonia Prime and Kregaia, notorious abusers of human rights, into this group.

We might also point out that many of the most evil regimes in the world are not Communist; the Kraven Corporation, Automagfreek, and the CAD states, for example, are certainly not Communist, and the civil and political freedoms in Soviet Kahanistan (which, contrary to CAD propaganda, is social democratic and not truly Communist) are far superior to the freedoms in most of the aforementioned nations. Furthermore, anti-Communism has often been used historically to justify repressions, mask fascism, or even support blatant anti-Semitism.

Signed,
Margaret Delray,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

(OOC: The "CAD propaganda" she's referring to is the claim made by Doom during the First ViZion War, that Kahanistan was a nation of Communist heathens, or something to that effect.)

Official Statement of the Crown Commonwealth of Praetonia

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His Majesty's Government wishes to reassure Kahanistan that we are not "militant fanatics", and that furthermore the trading relationship between our two nations shall not be affected in any way by Praetonian membership of the ACTO. We do not believe that destroying communist and socialist states with military force is often desireable. In fact, it is only truly desireable if widespread repression is being practised in order to enforce the system. We do, of course, encourage you to move away from the system of socialism that you current practise towards a more liberal system of laissez-faire capitalism.

However, His Majesty's Government rejects wholeheartedly the assertation that tyranny and capitalism go hand-in-hand. In fact, the opposite is true. The right to keep the produce of your labour, and the right to invest and spend one's own money as one chooses is an essential component of liberty. A socialist of communist state may allow freedom of speech and even elections, but this does not change the fact that people are still oppressed, as they may not choose where and how to spend their own money. Nor, in many cases, may they even see it before it is seized by the government and spent on things they do not necessarily want to spend it on. Thus, "a socialist state with an immense degree of personal liberty for citizens" is a contradiction in terms. Socialism may or may not be desireable (although the evidence points to the latter) but it is not [i]liberal.

By the same token, we reject wholeheartedly the claim that countries like Kraven and Automagfreek are not collectivists. This is patently absurd and clearly incorrect by any vaguely reasonable analysis of the evidence: Both of these countries take the vast majority of their citizens' income in taxes and spend it 'on their behalf'. Both of these countries dictate what kinds of jobs their people may hold (for example in the case of people who are 'bred' as soldiers in Automagfreek). Both of these countries have vast States which control almost every aspects of their citizens' lives and may kill and torture at will with no recourse to due process. They may be nationalist as well as socialist, but the difference in economic terms is purely academic.

The Federal Republic of Tree Hugging Lesbians wishes to join this alliance. The wealthy and prosperity of our own free-market economy has been long threatened by several thousand Communist insurgents in our own nation. They have been responsible for several terrorist attacks, and subsequently the murder of several thousand civilians.

On a less domestic scale, we believe in the spreading of freedom and democracy, which communists notoriously oppress.

Naomi Roderika, President of the Federal Republic.

OOC: I'm not sure Questers is active in this thread anymore...he hasn't said anything for a while now. If he won't administrate it, Clandonia Prime will have to, as the first member other than Questers.

OOC: Thats cool yeah, so Praetonia, Tree Hugging Lesbians and The United Ed States your all in. This week I'm going to try and create a wiki page for ACTO and write down the member list.

If I've forgotten anyone then speak out now.

Right, as I now take leadership of this alliance its going to get some changes and reforms.

1. I've started a basic wiki if anyone wants to add anything go ahead, if anyone could make a cool logo as well?http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/ACTO


2. If there is an election thread, post it here so we can vote for a candidate that matches our ideological stance.


3. Pursue military action, I am currently in the process of invading a socialist country called Sovistan after they support uprisings in my nation. I advise everyone to do their own.

We have not elected a leader and there is no provision for one in the founding document.

OOC: True, but Questers was unofficial leader (because of his power to admit new members)...I just figured it made sense to pick the next oldest member to fill his shoes for however long he's gone.

...No. I just can't be bothered to update it. If you can consider yourself an anti communist you can consider yourself a member of ACTO.

OOC: Ah, gotcha. I take it that you'll be retaining full powers as head of the alliance, then? (whatever those may be)

Clandonia, we hardly knew ye...

OOC: Thats cool yeah, so Praetonia, Tree Hugging Lesbians and The United Ed States your all in. This week I'm going to try and create a wiki page for ACTO and write down the member list.

If I've forgotten anyone then speak out now.
Yeay! Thank you. I will be glad to begin crushing the evil communist fools of the world from within ACTO!

You boys interested in a pact with GALWIN? Meaning our alliances defend each other. Go ahead and sign me up, too.

You boys interested in a pact with GALWIN? Meaning our alliances defend each other. Go ahead and sign me up, too.

Let me get this, you made a left wing alliance and you want a MDP with an Anti-Commie Pact?

You boys interested in a pact with GALWIN? Meaning our alliances defend each other. Go ahead and sign me up, too.

Totally contradictory, these two alliances. Besides, ACTO has no human rights requirements, something your alliance prides.

You boys interested in a pact with GALWIN? Meaning our alliances defend each other. Go ahead and sign me up, too.

Sorry, but ignore this request for now. This is something to discuss amongst the Council.

OFFICIAL COMMUNIQUE FROM THE TRANSCENDANT PILGRIMS:


As the Healthy, Enlightened, well-educated citizens of 'The Collective Consciousness' have transcended the need to amass personal wealth and property, The Transcendant Pilgrims, who long ago freed themselves from the sins of Dollar worship, do hold this union in contempt.

While we understand that it could be possible for a democratic/capitalist system to work, we would like to point out that no governmental style is free from the shadows of corruption.

As a people who stand for peace, equality, education, the environment,diversity, and the progress of humanity in general, the Pilgrims cannot logically support any organization which condones political genocide.

The citizens of ACTO are indeed free. Free to live in a corporate ghetto, Free to be unable to afford higher education, free to fend for themselves in terms of healthcare. Free to don the boots of the capitalist war machine, as that is the only occupation which would pay such a poor individual well.

If citizens of the nations of ACTO are willing to endure these hardships for a leg up over their brothers and sisters. The Transcendant Pilgrims will not stand in their way.

However, any ACTO military involvment in and around the borders of Transcendant Pilgrims or it's allies will be considered acts of war, and will be met with extreme prejudice.

OOC: Ah, gotcha. I take it that you'll be retaining full powers as head of the alliance, then? (whatever those may be)

Clandonia, we hardly knew ye...

There aren't any. It's an organisation, not an alliance. There isn't a leader or a head or anything. It's nto here to assert sovereignty over members, just to be used as a meeting point for anti communists. ACTO is around to ensure that if one of its membern ations - assosciates, more realistically - is attacked by a commie then the rest will come to defend it. Also to stop the spread of Communism where possible. It's not like UCN at all, really.

OOC: Oh, I see.

OOC: I encourage everyone to fight a war against a communist nation I'm currently deploying orbital weapons on Sovistan after he used chemical weapons. We need to look like we mean buisness.... :sniper:

OOC: I encourage everyone to fight a war against a communist nation I'm currently deploying orbital weapons on Sovistan after he used chemical weapons. We need to look like we mean buisness.... :sniper:

Congratulations on your gun smilie.

Congratulations on your gun smilie.

OOC: TWSP stop posting in the ACTO thread its not ment for you dirty commies! :p

OOC: And CP, don't post gun smiles. :p

OOC: It was OOC! Unlike you lot....

Official statement from the dictatorship of wraggrover
You fools comunism lives and it will destroy you all and unite the world under a big red flag.
you cannot run, you cannot hide communism will crush you,
be a communist or you will be crushed!!!!!!






(sorry if i offended ne1 im just acting as a meglomaniac communist)

Official statement from the dictatorship of wraggrover
You fools comunism lives and it will destroy you all and unite the world under a big red flag.
you cannot run, you cannot hide communism will crush you, and the rest of us communists will live in harmony while laughing at you non commies while you serve time in a wraggrover shabby jail cell where hundreds of you will share the same cell

be a communist or you will be crushed

OOC: Someone want to nuke this guy, I'm to lazy to do so.

OOC: It was OOC! Unlike you lot....

OOC: IC or OOC, it's still is a n00bish and foolish thing to post.

OOC: Someone want to nuke this guy, I'm to lazy to do so.

Heh, I dont have nukes, but if you invade him, tell me and I'll help you out (though I doubt you'll need help anyways)

Heh, I dont have nukes, but if you invade him, tell me and I'll help you out (though I doubt you'll need help anyways)

OOC: *Jaw drops* You're going to attck another commie. Wow! I'm shocked.

OOC: *Jaw drops* You're going to attck another commie. Wow! I'm shocked.

Meh, if he really is a commie then he is giving the rest of us a bad name and causing us trouble in the long way. If he isnt, well, then, why is he threatening people and pretending to be one?

to lazy to nuke me eh?




plus i'm just standing for what i believe in and that is crushing democracy!!

Meh, if he really is a commie then he is giving the rest of us a bad name and causing us trouble in the long way. If he isnt, well, then, why is he threatening people and pretending to be one?

OOC: Ah...well go get him!

to lazy to nuke me eh?




plus i'm just standing for what i believe in and that is crushing democracy!!

Do you have a map of your nation?

no

no

Can you give me a quick description of your nation's geography?

woops double post

our nation has a vast tundra of ice towards the north and to south is our industrialised heart and houses our currently being developed weapons program.

temps:
summer:-1
winter:-10

our nation has a vast tundra of ice towards the north and to south is our industrialised heart and houses our currently being developed weapons program.

temps:
summer:-1
winter:-10

Stop posting useless crap noone gives a shit about.

And that goes for the rest of you, keep the random OOC clutter out.

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Official Communiqué, His Majesty's Department of State for Foreign Affairs
To: Questaria, the United Paternal Autocratic Kingdom thereof, specifically; and the Anti-Communist Treaty Organisation in general.
Encryption: None.

Greetings;

The Commonwealth Government is concerned by the rise of this 'anti-communist' alliance, especially among fellow strong, secular liberal democracies such as Praetonia and Velkya. In our experience alliances dedicated solely to halting the spread of a particular ideology have proven to become imperialistic and militarist, intervening in the affairs of nations that have chosen that ideology freely. I refer to such organisations as the World Anti-Communist League, which was in fact little but a puppet of the Coalition Against Democracy to expand its 'target audience' to a wider range of unsuspecting nations.

The Commonwealth Government, particularly his Majesty Croix-Daniel I, has expressed concerns over the Anti-Communist Treaty Organisation's foreign policy. Is it primarily intended as a defencive and economic alliance, or will it engage in active military action against communism worldwide? The rhetoric expounded by certain ACTO members, especially the Imperium of Kregaia and the Dominion of Clandonia Prime, is particularly worrisome as even otherwise like-minded nations with market restrictions (such as the Mauvasian Commonwealth herself) could become targets of economic, political, or military hostility, whether open or covert.

As a neutral power upon the world stage, it is not our place to condemn or condone; however, we are worried about the future of ACTO, and whether it shall go the way of such alliances as WACL by engaging in wanton acts of imperialism against legitimate communist and socialist states. Therefore, we are interested to know what ACTO's foreign policy is intended to be.

Respectfully and in friendship,
[signed]
Andrew Marks
Chairman, Department of State

Constitutional Monarchy of Latidia
Official Statement, HM's Ministry for Foreign Affairs
To the Imperial Republic of Mauvasia

Your Majesty,
Your last Official Communiqué regarding the rise of the Anti-Communist League was received not without concern by this government. The Constitutional Monarchy of Latidia is worried with the approach your well-established democracy practices with communist states, some of them openly called by you "legitimate communist states".

The legitimacy of a government is only validated if it is the result of the free will of it's people and if it respects the rights inherent to human nature. Regarding the first idea, the expression of such will could be pure and simple (through elections) or tacit - such as not revolting for example (indeed, a rather questionable idea which could be treated in another occasion). Surely, we both agree the best way is the first one mentioned, as well as some "democratic" communist states which have become government by free elections, holding their ideological mandate of a 'violent class struggle'.

It is, however, in the second idea of legitimacy were communism fails abruptly. Their restraint of political and economical liberties is only the result of a much worse cause: misunderstanding of human nature. Their sheer materialism leads them to defend that moral values and human rights are subjective, since they depend of the agent which holds power within a certain moment. Private property, for instance, is good while it is useful for their goals, when it is not, it is time to restrict a little. The same happens with freedom of expression, of education, of reunion - even the fundamental right of worship your God.

With this, we are not applying to the aforementioned alliance, as we would like to hear more about it's intentions and means. We share the same doubt whether it will become another militaristic front, which would not benefit mankind at all. Nevertheless, this government also feels that communism must be stopped for the reasons already mentioned, and that your position legitimates views as dangerous as extreme jingoism.

Respectfully yours,
Maximillian Quillimus
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Stop posting useless crap noone gives a shit about.

And that goes for the rest of you, keep the random OOC clutter out.

yes well actually it was an accidental double post and the person above me wanted to know about my nation

Official Clandonian Response

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Allies of ACTO, I come to you today to inform that agresion from the UCN against the Maldorians who were preparing to free the Bolshevik state of The World Soviet Party after years of the Soviet opresion to their own people. I suggest as the UCN rallies for that war all members of ACTO are to prepare for war against communist forces. If the nation of Maldorians is threatned then Clandonia Prime will send forces, I ask that other nations begin mobilisation for war to stop the war mongers of the communist dogs.

ICCD sends communique to members of ACTO where communication lines exist:

We ask that you reconsider any offensive war plans, as they could be costly.
ICCD instead proposes that we instead build a giant underwater city, with a disney sized theme park.

Office of the Logothe of the Drome, Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei

Official Clandonian Response

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Allies of ACTO, I come to you today to inform that agresion from the UCN against the Maldorians who were preparing to free the Bolshevik state of The World Soviet Party after years of the Soviet opresion to their own people. I suggest as the UCN rallies for that war all members of ACTO are to prepare for war against communist forces. If the nation of Maldorians is threatned then Clandonia Prime will send forces, I ask that other nations begin mobilisation for war to stop the war mongers of the communist dogs.

Funny, considering the Maldorians launched a war of aggression against a sovereign nation which is against international law. The Maldorians are the war mongers, not us. We are merely protecting our ally.

The Reich pledges a nuclear attack on any ACTO military units that attempt to become involved in the conflict. Surely however, even ACTO can see that it is Maldorians that is fault, not the Reich, nor her allies.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Funny, considering the Maldorians launched a war of aggression against a sovereign nation which is against international law.


International law is a fiction. ~~ Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky, President of the United States of Allanea.

How predictable. Barely new and already imperialists are trying to use it to further their causes. Quite pathetic Clandonia Prime, quite pathetic indeed.
-Lone Alliance Response

International law is a fiction. ~~ Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky, President of the United States of Allanea.

If so, then you should tell Clandonians to cut the bullshit and just say that they want to attack against a nation that hasn't done anything wrong, except living how they see best - in a communist way, that is. Or is it already a legitimate reason to attack someone?

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan

If so, then you should tell Clandonians to cut the bullshit and just say that they want to attack against a nation that hasn't done anything wrong, except living how they see best - in a communist way, that is. Or is it already a legitimate reason to attack someone?

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan


Yes, yes it is. However, Allanea is currently fighting the Arbeitslager of God's Own, who are a bunch of genocidal fascists, thus we are unable to render Clandonia assistance. ~~Alexander Kazansky, President of the United States of Allanea

This is the nuclear attack I was talking abut earlier. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510351&page=2)

OOC: Will all the UCN members please refrain from filling this thread with crap when they ICly can't even see it. I remember when you moaned about posting IC'ly in your thread.

Official Clandonian Response

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I speak today and I will offer Clandonian airbases for striking the TWSP if the UCN carries on its unwarranted agresion. I urge all other ACTO nations to ready their militarys, also the sounds of an underwater disney world also sounds a good idea, I will send plans to the Corporation to draw up some plans.

Too all nations it may concern:

New Ausha is working too resolve the issue via diplomacy. We are confident both sides will avoid coercion, and elect a diplomatic road, in solving this crisis. Obviously the international community has interest in this conflict, but we humbly ask that no international alliances or obligated defensive pacts come too action. This does not need too be settled through the loss of life and limb. We beseech thee. Thank you.

-Ministry of Foreign Affairs

I urge all nations to help out in the various conflicts which have been unfolding in recent times, the UCN have been noted for the increased build up of forces possibly to attack ACTO member states.

~ Lord Governer Puriton, Clandonian Head of State

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC STATEMENT

Let it be known that the Imperium is doing a great deal to combat the Bolshevik threat, and will support members of ACTO if at all possible. However, the Sacred Emperor warns his fellow members of ACTO that great care should be taken before provoking or attacking any members of UCN. We must dictate the terms of any conflict with the Reds if at all possible, outflank and isolate them rather than attacking them with all strength head-on; after all, UCN shares members with GASN, which inturn is allied to Gholgoth, shaping the potential for a massive escalation of any conflict between ACTO and the UCN. Caution and wisdom, friends, before we unleash the storm.

Darian Aurelius, Minister of Foreign Affairs

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC STATEMENT

Let it be known that the Imperium is doing a great deal to combat the Bolshevik threat, and will support members of ACTO if at all possible. However, the Sacred Emperor warns his fellow members of ACTO that great care should be taken before provoking or attacking any members of UCN. We must dictate the terms of any conflict with the Reds if at all possible, outflank and isolate them rather than attacking them with all strength head-on; after all, UCN shares members with GASN, which inturn is allied to Gholgoth, shaping the potential for a massive escalation of any conflict between ACTO and the UCN. Caution and wisdom, friends, before we unleash the storm.

Darian Aurelius, Minister of Foreign Affairs

Official Response

Let it be known that we were attacked for no reason other than being ourselves, we are not seeking a conflict with ACTO, but we have information that proves that Clandonia Prime supports this war, if not incitated it. So, we ask you, diassociate yourselves from the Corporative, Power-Hungry, Slave-Taking assasins in Clandonia, keep your names clean, dont throw dirt on your reputations just for following and accepting CP's foolishness.

from "La Verità", daily newspaper of Risottia
Unofficial reaction of Marco I, Grand Duke of Risottia by the will of the People, as reported by a confident: "Nu, nu, nu. Another fascist-capitalist alliance. Oh my. I'm so scared I won't sleep this night. Yawn."

from "I Notizii", daily newspaper of Risottia
Carlo Brandazzi, an employee at the Affori Space Research Plex, says "I guess this bunch of greedy capitalist fatcats would be surprised to know that we're perfectly happy in our democratic, multi-party, socialist country, and don't give a damn about invading their depauperated territories or anything like that" and then heads off to the Communist Party's festival to buy some grilled sausages.

from "El Ghell", economy weekly of Risottia
Marchesa Caterina Strepponi, secretary of the Union of Co-operative Farming Industries of Risottia, says "we do trust that this won't have any effect on our exports of farming goods, like our famous Watersnake Mortadella. There are plenty of more open-minded countries around the world, so bugger if some countries raise trade barriers with us because they don't like our political system."

official joint declaration of the Risottian Orthdox Communist Party, the Risottian Socialist Party, the Risottian Tree-Hugging Hippies, the Risottian Neo-Communist Party, the Christian-Socialist Party and the National-democratic Party:
"We wish this anti-communist alliance a lot of luck: we know they will need it. "

:D

The R.S.U. condemns this act of ignorance and national apartheid. Assuming that any nation which tries to achieve Social Equality is a Bolshevik Stalinist is quite frankly absurd. Despite past actions of false, self proclaimed "Communists" there are some nations which follow the guidelines set out by Marx, and do not sway to corruption or Capitalist values of greed. Nations which try to create a utopia for their citizens should be applauded and not condemned.

~Nikolas Zabolotsky, High Commisar of the R.S.U.

from "La Verità", daily newspaper of Risottia
Unofficial reaction of Marco I, Grand Duke of Risottia by the will of the People, as reported by a confident: "Nu, nu, nu. Another fascist-capitalist alliance. Oh my. I'm so scared I won't sleep this night. Yawn."

from "I Notizii", daily newspaper of Risottia
Carlo Brandazzi, an employee at the Affori Space Research Plex, says "I guess this bunch of greedy capitalist fatcats would be surprised to know that we're perfectly happy in our democratic, multi-party, socialist country, and don't give a damn about invading their depauperated territories or anything like that" and then heads off to the Communist Party's festival to buy some grilled sausages.

from "El Ghell", economy weekly of Risottia
Marchesa Caterina Strepponi, secretary of the Union of Co-operative Farming Industries of Risottia, says "we do trust that this won't have any effect on our exports of farming goods, like our famous Watersnake Mortadella. There are plenty of more open-minded countries around the world, so bugger if some countries raise trade barriers with us because they don't like our political system."

official joint declaration of the Risottian Orthdox Communist Party, the Risottian Socialist Party, the Risottian Tree-Hugging Hippies, the Risottian Neo-Communist Party, the Christian-Socialist Party and the National-democratic Party:
"We wish this anti-communist alliance a lot of luck: we know they will need it. "

:D

Official Clandonian Response

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Your little punitive threats mean nothing to a nation of Clandonia Prime's power. If you ever threaten our nation then shall be slaughtered if you post a threat to ACTO, the nation that is attacked will have Clandonias full support.

The Triumvirate Council of the Revolutionary Government of the Glorious Republic of Leafanistan

After the despicable terrorist attacks in Clandonia Prime by communists, and our own threat during our Second Civil War by the Communist Reformist Party, we apply for membership in the ACTO.

We are also a member of the Sovereign League.

[END]

The Triumvirate Council of the Revolutionary Government of the Glorious Republic of Leafanistan

After the despicable terrorist attacks in Clandonia Prime by communists, and our own threat during our Second Civil War by the Communist Reformist Party, we apply for membership in the ACTO.

We are also a member of the Sovereign League.

[END]

Official Clandonian Response

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Your membership in these troublesome times is welcome, we thankyou for the support after the cowardly attacks by communist forces in Clandonia. May we crusade to exteriminate the red threat from this planet, once and for all.

Welcome to ACTO Leafanistan.

Official Divisions Statement
From the personal notebook computer of Premier Donovan Ladd, Capitol Hall, Getthehelloutofourcountryevilforeignpigdogsdiediedieatopia, the Archipelago

While at another time the Divisions Government might have agreed to sign such a treaty, we can clearly see that this alliance is only yet another vehicle for the "Imperial Triumvirate" of Questaria, Praetonia, and Doomingsland to further their agenda of world domination and establishing a new world order. Under the false pretences of "preserving freedom and democracy" or "safeguarding morality", they have formed alliances such as the Sovereign League and the Coalition Against Democracy that -- contrary to their apparently mutually exclusive goals -- spend more time co-operating than fighting each other, as we can see in the ViZion operation, numerous colonial wars, and now this Anti-Communist Treaty Organisation, the very allowing of which such members as Clandonia Prime and the Warmaster into their fold shows that the "defenders of freedom" have long since departed from their stated goals.

We therefore are staying out of this alliance and its imperialistic worldview. Good afternoon, and may God have mercy upon your souls, because She'll be receiving them soon if you continue to go on with this imperialistic claptrap.

~ The Defence Council of the Divisions Bureaucratia ~

ooc I know it's a bit of propagandistic bullshit, as most of the "imperialistic claptrap" is the private warfare of members like Clandonia and Warmaster, but still. /ooc

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL PROCLIMATION
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TO: Membership of the Anti Communist Treaty Organization
FROM: Mr. Larry Williams, Minister of Foreign Relations

I just have one question for those members of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organization. You are against Communists, but what is your standpoint on those nations who are of the Socialist type? Do you hold the same hatred for them as you do for the Communists?

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL PROCLIMATION
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TO: Membership of the Anti Communist Treaty Organization
FROM: Mr. Larry Williams, Minister of Foreign Relations

I just have one question for those members of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organization. You are against Communists, but what is your standpoint on those nations who are of the Socialist type? Do you hold the same hatred for them as you do for the Communists?

Official Clandonian Response

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Socialism is lapping on the waters of the seas of communism, therefore we will treat all socialist nations with extreme caution because of their strong ties to full blown Marxist principles. The threat of socialist based economies is another fear, the prospect of a mixed economy frightens many in Clandonia. Free market policies will always remain in our nation and we hope all ACTO nations apply the laisez faire economic system, or they will be doomed under the 'Red Threat'.

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL PROCLIMATION
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TO: Membership of the Anti Communist Treaty Organization
FROM: Mr. Larry Williams, Minister of Foreign Relations

I just have one question for those members of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organization. You are against Communists, but what is your standpoint on those nations who are of the Socialist type? Do you hold the same hatred for them as you do for the Communists?

OOC-I can't speak for the ACTO, and don't feel like writing up an IC answer, but Zukariaans generally see Socialists and Communists as the same thing in different levels of stupidity.

Official Clandonian Response

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Socialism is lapping on the waters of the seas of communism, therefore we will treat all socialist nations with extreme caution because of their strong ties to full blown Marxist principles. The threat of socialist based economies is another fear, the prospect of a mixed economy frightens many in Clandonia. Free market policies will always remain in our nation and we hope all ACTO nations apply the laisez faire economic system, or they will be doomed under the 'Red Threat'.

OOC-And Clandonia, you don't speak for ACTO, Matt does.

Zukariaa;12091666']OOC-And Clandonia, you don't speak for ACTO, Matt does.

OOC: Hes no longer active now or so he said before.

OOC: Hes no longer active now or so he said before.

OOC-That doesn't put you in the position you seem to think it does. You don't make decisions for the ACTO, or decided what we believe in. I would assume that is a group decision.