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I use my own region ICCD.

"Bailo Henreich requires no rebuttal of mine to make a mockery of his position and actions - his own words do this far better than any Member of this House ever could. Before us we see not a statesman, but a petulant child who has stolen control of a surely embarassed country."

- Foreign Secretary Philip Henbury, in answer to a question put by Liberal MP Sir Hubert Greys, regarding the Trade (Economic Reciprocation) Act, 2006.

in response:
Sir Hubert Greys wouldn't know fair trade if it hit him on the head. ICCD is a free trade country with equal trading rights for everyone, except in cases of acts of war. you are stigmatized by the name of communism, and do not understand that the UCN promotes trade amongst it's members, with 1 Trillion in shared economic development money per member, and other economic activities. UCN holds up human rights and fair treatment of it's citizenry, furthermore UCN is not some violent dictorial force seeking to enslave the world. you are deranged with notions of red scare. Obviously you don't understand what communism is, for you to be passing judgements as such. I am a business man, working for the diplomatic corps, ICCD heavily cherishes it's business people giving the best of them direct voice and vote in the industrial standards of the Interior Divisions, Infrastructure Services, ministerial department. Our best financial agents administer the tresury. for you to spout out complete slander, is unfounded, come clean what are the real reasons you are agrivating trade, is it becuase we have more to offer then you?

Bailo Henreich, office of the logothe of the drome, Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei


OOC: you obviously don't know the basics of communism in real life, and likely tie it into brands such as maoism, stalinism, leninism, marxism, castroism, etc.. I am geussing you are running off the western propaganda against communist ideals, that is the commune and collectivism with production capacity being equally shared. state communism is not the same as ideological communism. and yet ICCD's communism is a moderate form although it essentially is a form of fascist socialism, it only turns the imperialists into communist institutions,this insures that politics do not get tied in with capacity to control resouces. it is a counter fascists system (Taxes on the greedy, incentives for the working class, promotion of the rich to export their businesses and wealth, or to amalgamate them with state powers, if they forfit their excess business to the people. p.s. my personal ideology and ICCD's govenmental system are slightly different (I am much more individualist, where as iccd in game is more of a collectivist. my peronal beleive is individualism in right mind is a collective actions, in game it is only the state matters, but people that do not interfere with the state should not be prosecuted. i.e. live and let live, but fundamentalism if there is a clash)i.e. in game ICCD is much more extreme then my personal beleifs. I tend to agree, this portion is in game, not politics that is what the seious forum is for.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11896604']

OOC: you obviously don't know the basics of communism in real life, and likely tie it into brands such as maoism, stalinism, leninism, marxism, castroism, etc.. I am geussing you are running off the western propaganda against communist ideals, that is the commune and collectivism with production capacity being equally shared. state communism is not the same as ideological communism. and yet ICCD's communism is a moderate form although it essentially is a form of fascist socialism, it only turns the imperialists into communist institutions,this insures that politics do not get tied in with capacity to control resouces. it is a counter fascists system (Taxes on the greedy, incentives for the working class, promotion of the rich to export their businesses and wealth, or to amalgamate them with state powers, if they forfit their excess business to the people. p.s. my personal ideology and ICCD's govenmental system are slightly different (I am much more individualist, where as iccd in game is more of a collectivist. my peronal beleive is individualism in right mind is a collective actions, in game it is only the state matters, but people that do not interfere with the state should not be prosecuted. i.e. live and let live, but fundamentalism if there is a clash)i.e. in game ICCD is much more extreme then my personal beleifs. I tend to agree, this portion is in game, not politics that is what the seious forum is for.

As long as you can still recognise the difference between IC and OOC, please note that Praetonia's MP was speaking IC, to which you are responding OOC. If any Praetonian citizen thinks that communism and fascism are one and the same, or that your leader is a big fat stupid head, or whatever -- that citizen is speaking ICly; it is not the actual player behind Praetonia speaking. So respond to it ICly alone and leave out the OOC rants.

/2¢
/ooc

I am not quiet a Commuinist nation, but my nation is based off of Communism. Basicly we are a Modern Tech version of Libria in Equilibrium. Most citizens are equal, however the leaders have a few luxuries that the others do not. There is actually very little need for money since food and other nescensities are rationed equally through out the nation. Very few citizens even buy things since they are on a drug known as Valzac, this drug severly limits one's ability to react emotionally to a situation. Our press is free to write what they want but seeing as how they are on Valzac most of the press says the same thing. Salaries are regulated by the govenment as is most business. Would you accept the Hills into the UCN?

Snip

No, unless you cease and desist with the drug thing.

No, unless you cease and desist with the drug thing.

But the Drug thing as you reder to it keeps people from hating each other. Since the introduction of it two years ago crime rates in all areas have dropped sharply, especially the hate crimes. What is it about this policy that you find unsatisfactory?

But the Drug thing as you reder to it keeps people from hating each other. Since the introduction of it two years ago crime rates in all areas have dropped sharply, especially the hate crimes. What is it about this policy that you find unsatisfactory?

That it goes over people's right to do whatever they want with their bodies?

Official Communique of the Office of the Imperial Government of the Empire of Pure Japan

From: Tenzo Abe, Imperial Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Empire of Pure Japan
To: Union of Communist Nations (UCN)

The Empire of Pure Japan expresses it's contempt for the Union of Communist Nations (UCN), given the UCN is the public face of the World Bolshevik conspiracy. The World Bolshevik conspiracy is one soaked in the blood of many innocents and the crushed freedoms and the crushed sovereignties of many nations.

The Empire shall monitor closely the plans, declarations and the actions of the UCN, as part of the Empire's duty in fighting the World Bolshevik conspiracy and the duty the Empire has in it's process of joining the Anti Communist Treaty Organisation (ACTO).

The Empire urges the oppressed and crushed peoples of the nations of the World Bolshevik conspiracy and the UCN to rise up and throw off, once and forever, the vile and wholly terroristic yoke of the communist tyrants. Oppressed citizens of the UCN, rise up and march forward under the noble banner of the ACTO and assist in the liberation of your nations from the yoke of the World Bolshevik conspiracy, thus allowing your nations to rejoin the international community of nations as free and equal nations once more.

From:

Imperial Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Empire of Pure Japan

Tenzo Abe

Icovir would like to point out how the allegations Pure Japan made are contradictory to our nature. This can be proven with the fact that the Icovirian people voted to join the UCN and become communist.

We also are glad that this didn't turn into an embargo, as that would be seen as an act of war.

Official Communique of the Office of the Imperial Government of the Empire of Pure Japan

From: Tenzo Abe, Imperial Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Empire of Pure Japan
To: Union of Communist Nations (UCN)

The Empire of Pure Japan expresses it's contempt for the Union of Communist Nations (UCN), given the UCN is the public face of the World Bolshevik conspiracy. The World Bolshevik conspiracy is one soaked in the blood of many innocents and the crushed freedoms and the crushed sovereignties of many nations.

The Empire shall monitor closely the plans, declarations and the actions of the UCN, as part of the Empire's duty in fighting the World Bolshevik conspiracy and the duty the Empire has in it's process of joining the Anti Communist Treaty Organisation (ACTO).

The Empire urges the oppressed and crushed peoples of the nations of the World Bolshevik conspiracy and the UCN to rise up and throw off, once and forever, the vile and wholly terroristic yoke of the communist tyrants. Oppressed citizens of the UCN, rise up and march forward under the noble banner of the ACTO and assist in the liberation of your nations from the yoke of the World Bolshevik conspiracy, thus allowing your nations to rejoin the international community of nations as free and equal nations once more.

From:

Imperial Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Empire of Pure Japan

Tenzo Abe

((OOC: Just so you know, I, and I'm pretty sure a few others, ignore ACTO as a whole.))

[Open Response to the Imperial Government of the Empire of Pure Japan]

From: The Avisronite State Department

Oh snap.

OOC: lol, nice sarcasm :D

[OOC: Just for the record, the official title of Avisron is now The United State of Avisron. There's no political change to bring that on, just an urge to not wear my system of economy everywhere.]

Ok, Thermonuclear war going on, who wants in?

Ok, Thermonuclear war going on, who wants in?

I don't mess around with nukes man.

I don't mess around with nukes man.

Me neither, but you are going to have to choose between NE and the DC.

So hard to decide.

The Devils are in NE... but the Caps rock...

(Sorry, hockey joke.)

OOC: I would love to join the UCN if it didn't confuse me when it preaches Freedom when Communists are notoriously oppressive.

OOC: I would love to join the UCN if it didn't confuse me when it preaches Freedom when Communists are notoriously oppressive.

No they are not, not us at least.

OOC: Want me then? The only requirement I don't meet is the Freedom of Press. The rest I'm rather grey on.

OOC: I would love to join the UCN if it didn't confuse me when it preaches Freedom when Communists are notoriously oppressive.

In RL Russian's Leninist/Stalinist "communism", yes. On principle of the idea, no.

((OOC: Just so you know, I, and I'm pretty sure a few others, ignore ACTO as a whole.))
OOC: Why? Aside from the fact it may be... disagreeable... ICly, it's perfectly legitimate. I had to trudge through all the off topic spam about the nature of communism in that thread, but I didn't see anything particularly ignore worthy. Apart from condescending comments to the communists (lol. not intended, really.) which would be natural IC anyway.

OOC: Want me then? The only requirement I don't meet is the Freedom of Press. The rest I'm rather grey on.

Say, why are you invading Lithuania?

OOC: My people are currently out growing the 3 countries we already have so I needed more land to expand. This opportunity has lead to more jobs and will lead to greater prosperity for the nation as a whole in the future.

Actually, Leninism is the perfect communist society. Its completely democratic, and works like the United States, except Communist.

Actually, Leninism is the perfect communist society. Its completely democratic, and works like the United States, except Communist.

The problem is most people don't know Communist.

Although most Communist countries are Atheist, some aren't (well, at least mine isn't; it's 100% Muslim). Some people also think that Communism is a complete oppresive regime, just as Hitler's.

Communism is hard to explain, and I can't even explain it seeing as how mentioning Communism in the U.S. while at school will make people (*cough*thegovernmentwhoslisteningin*cough) suspect you as a terrorist.

OOC: Marx said 'religion is opium to the masses' so I don't think religion and socialism work.

Actually, Leninism is the perfect communist society. Its completely democratic, and works like the United States, except Communist.

Um.... what?

The following was posted in one of my regions today, by the way... I think it explains fairly well why we can't really talk in terms of capitalism and communism.
[Y]ou're using a spectacular double standard. You are using the no true scotsman fallacy to refute our arguments using existing "communist" states against communism, and then arguing against capitalism by using existing "capitalist" states.

To phrase this more clearly, the USA, the UK, Germany, Japan, and the vast majority of Western countries are not "capitalist" in the true sense of the word, so you cannot use them as examples of what is wrong with capitalism. They incorporate some of the ideas of capitalism, but not enough that it could actually match the free-market proposal as viewed by Adam Smith, Ayn Rand and the like.

In larger letters:

THE SAME ARGUMENT YOU APPLY TO OUR ANTI-COMMUNISM ARGUMENTS, WE CAN APPLY TO YOUR ANTI-CAPITALIST ARGUMENTS.

Just like North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, and the USSR incorporated some elements of communism into their societies without achieving it -- resulting mainly in totalitarian, collectivist dictatorships -- the USA and dozens of other countries today incorporate some elements of capitalism into their societies, without achieving it either -- resulting mainly in slightly less restrictive, corporatist dictatorships.

In a true "utopian" communist society, everyone contributes what they are capable of for the good of all, and all resources are shared among everyone, making government unnecessary.

In a true "utopian" capitalist society, everyone is capable of rising to the top from poverty and businesses that impede the free market are removed or heaviily restricted.

Neither has ever been achieved, and we can only use the approximations simply because these are idealist dreams that will never come true.

And when it comes down to it, I'd prefer to have even the illusion of freedom and the ability to rise higher in the corporately dominated society over life where my every act is watched by the government and I could be arrested for treason against the state at any point. (Of course, if the US continues along its current path it'll end up that way too, but that's another story.)

Um.... what?

The following was posted in one of my regions today, by the way... I think it explains fairly well why we can't really talk in terms of capitalism and communism.

You're speaking of true Communism. However, I was talking of Leninism, which is Democratic Communism.

You're speaking of true Communism. However, I was talking of Leninism, which is Democratic Communism.

I was posting that for the benefit of everyone in this thread, not just you. My "Um.... what?" was due to the confusion at a communist version of the US, which to me would look rather like a sham-democracy with the CIA/FBI/NSA replacing the KGB, since the USA is not very much of a democracy these days. Not that that's a bad thing, but I don't support autocracy, stratocracy, or plutocracy either.



Ok, that didn't make any sense. Carry on.

OOC: Come to think of it, my nation isn't all that much communist, if at all... :eek:

OOC: Come to think of it, my nation isn't all that much communist, if at all... :eek:

OOC: Same here, but I'm still in this.

Ooooh! Jesus Christ!

This is Mr. Slave of the great liberal ummmm fetishdom of Narenta. We would looooove too join you precious little allaince. We proudly offer all member 20 metric tons of adult toys.

jesus chriiist! ooohoohoh!

Let me be the first to say, WTF?

Let me be the second.

I'd like to add that South Park sucks.

OOC: This is going...where?

Still awaiting confirmation upon my request to join.

Still awaiting confirmation upon my request to join.

Im saying no if you go to war with Crimm, or whatever his name is.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy of the Secular Empire of Maraque approves of Maldaathis request to join.

OOC: Depends on if enough people approve.

OOC: No I don't plan on going to war with him. He's acting all uptight over a comment that I must admit was a tad challenging. I really doubt it will happen.

Icovir approves of Maldaathi joining the UCN. We need as many members as possible.

OOC: Oh yeah, and Maraque: I copied your idea of italics when someone is speaking. Helps a lot.

OOC: No problem!

Chellis votes against the admittance of Maldaathi into the Union of Communist Nations.

We have our reasons.

OOC: How many approvals do I need to be accepted?

OOC: How many approvals do I need to be accepted?

OOC: I assume a plurality. Though honestly, I'm not quite sure the votes even matter. I think Tok might just decide it, and weigh the votes into the decision. Or not. He's a nutty bastard.

OOC: lol ok, may I ask why you voted against me?

OOC: lol ok, may I ask why you voted against me?

OOC: You seem to get on people's bad-sides, and that comment about being able to declare war with the drop of a hat. Its all IC stuff, chellis is quite paranoid about having to defend people we don't particularly care about, if avoidable.

And we're old and elitist, and generally dont like anyone who's not in the comfortable range of a bit younger than us, to having been here a bit of time.

OOC: LoL you have a false image of me as a war mongerer. I stand by my record of playing for several years I have never been invaded. So therefore no need to come to my defence.

The Reich will not make any decision on the matter of Maldaathi's admittance to the UCN until both those for and against it state their true reasons for their respective stances.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy of the Secular Empire of Maraque has chosen to accept Maldaathi into the Union of Communist Nations because we believe these accusations of them as a warmongerer are indeed false.

The Reich will not make any decision on the matter of Maldaathi's admittance to the UCN until both those for and against it state their true reasons for their respective stances.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Chellis believes that Maldaathi will bring a bad reputation to our alliance. Their leaders have made some provocative messages to The Crimm, and hence gained a lot of infamy from that. We do not want to make people think we support the things that Maldaathi says, regardless of how much it means those things.

We shall now offer the state of Maldaathi to defend it self against the above accusations.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

We hardly think that one mistake in the long life of the nation of Maldaathi should lead to it's exclusion from this Union. So far we have not provoked any other nation up this point and we intend to keep it that way.

oocness: Assuming that the Security Council's (Which really /should/ be called 'General Assembly', given that it does the job of one) hosted in Tocrowkia, here. Also, yeah - I actually did read the relevant bits between Maldaathi & Crimmond. Mabruke on the other hand, doesn't have access to ooc statements made by Maldaathi's player.

Black, mirrored sunglassed hide the surprisingly soft facial features of the general - Mabruke Laroche may be called a general, but he's still in his late thirties, and has rarely seen actual action.

This is quite understandable, given that in the Christian-Socialist Republic, just about every gvernment job gets one the title 'General'. The actual soldiers are much easier identified as warlords - though even among them, the armchair general is rather more common than is proper.

Of course, Mabruke Laroche is rather satisfied with his 'Armchair' status - having a nice job in the bureaucracy beats fighting a bunch of partisans in the jungle any day, even if he doesn't get the chance to do the usual rape-a-village stunt.

But ten minutes of fun aren't really worth paying for with your life if things go wrong, anyway.

Regardless. Right now, he is in Tocrowkia, together with another forty-nine generals and their (Sizeable) entourage, chilling in the security council after a near-fatal flight, and generally content with himself and the universe at large.

Still, sometimes, 'Duty' gets in the way of chilling.

"If I may..." he asks, politely (As said before, he's very much an armchair general, and features rather less dominant social traits than the other sort, the 'Real' generals), while adjusting his sunglasses. They just don't give me the aura of danger I'd like...

"'Provocative Statements' are hardly a casus belli - if they were, killing a man because he called you a dumbass would be perfectly legal, and I doubt that any of the honoured nations present in this assembly feature this kind of legal system.

"And - unfortunate as it is to have to point this out -, international politics don't have all that much in common with a kindergarten. In the latter, it might be expected that a simple comment may start a conflict - in the former, not so much. And even in the kindergarten, there's usually someone to prevent escalation..."

Mabruke Laroche hesitates, and eventually takes off his sunglasses, annoyed by the fact that he can't actually see the other delegates through them. "As such, the Christian-Socialist Republic is rather unimpressed by the 'May State Provocative Opinions' argument put forward by Chellis.

"We believe that Maldaathi would make an excellent addition to our organisation, and that it should be admitted - Communism does, by its very nature, need to spread, and it'd be foolish to reject those who have embraced the concept, based on superficial understandings of 'Good Manners'.

"The Christian-Socialist Republic is therefore strongly in favour of admitting Maldaathi into the Union of Communist Nations."

There was a lot of nodding in the corner of the assembly hall occupied by the generals from the Christian_Socialist Republic - and with all the mirrored sunglasses working like an oversized discoball, the visual effects were fairly impressive.

OOC: I´m in favor of Maaldathi joining.

OOC: I assume a plurality. Though honestly, I'm not quite sure the votes even matter. I think Tok might just decide it, and weigh the votes into the decision. Or not. He's a nutty bastard.

...I thought Toc was a she...

OOC: I´m in favor of Maaldathi joining.Would saying this in character summon evil demons under your bed, or why else don't you state this, you know... In character?

Would saying this in character summon evil demons under your bed, or why else don't you state this, you know... In character?

OOC: No, but it will put Jinn in your closet :D

OOC: Can I join now? :P

Madnestan is against taking Maldaathi into the Union. They have angered, without any real reason, perhaps the mightiest alliance of the world - NATO of Automagfreek.
The following statement made by Maldaathi - "Best watch yourself there, my political tendencies allow me to declare war at the drop over a hat over any little thing I like." - and it's warmongering against NATO has made us to think it would be rather dangerous to have such a member in our community. He could pull us all to great trouble, "at the drop over a hat".


Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy of the Secular Empire of Maraque withdraws its approval of Maldaathi joining this alliance.

Perhaps to placate both parties, we can place the state of Maldaathi on a "pending" list for two weeks. If they remain on their best behavior, they will be allowed to join. If more threats are spouted, then no.

What say you, UCN?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Perhaps to placate both parties, we can place the state of Maldaathi on a "pending" list for two weeks. If they remain on their best behavior, they will be allowed to join. If more threats are spouted, then no.

What say you, UCN?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Sounds ok by me.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy of the Secular Empire of Maraque approves of a probationary period.

Perhaps to placate both parties, we can place the state of Maldaathi on a "pending" list for two weeks. If they remain on their best behavior, they will be allowed to join. If more threats are spouted, then no.

What say you, UCN?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Sounds ok with us, though we would potentially prefer a probationary period of Maldaathi being a member, perhaps for a few months, and if he gets himself involved in a conflict(read: not attacked, or aiding an attacked nation), he could get the boot.

But we are content with this option as well.

Then it is done. The state of Maldaathi has been placed on the UCN 'pending list'.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

ICCD abstains from voting on the issue.

However would like to raise the issue of the anti communist leauge.
They are not taking actual actions against us that ICCD is aware of; however, ICCD considers them a rising threat to our security. As some of the members of the ACN have been known to take completely drastic actions, and I wouldn't hesitate to think they would conduct a completely unwarranted war against the UCN, in a most destructive way.

ICCD feels it is imperitive to conduct talks on defence preperations and counter actions against the ACL.

Prior to an alliance consensus on talks for defence, ICCD invites members to speak bilaterally and multi laterally on this issue.

All UCN members are invited to the Seat of the Eternal, the ceremonial state capital and Island palace city home of the Emperor, in the Lakes region of ICCD for discussion on this matter (http://z11.invisionfree.com/iccd/index.php?showtopic=99)

One question about Maldaathi and it's communist nature - what sort of a freedom- and peace-loving communist nation goes around conquering countries for Lebensraumen?! Attacking nations for overpopulation?! A FASCIST COUNTRY, I'd say. But whatever.

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan

[Encrypted Message]

To: The Union of Communist Nations
From: The Avisronite Department of State

We feel it is highly important that a discussion between our memberstates takes place in the immediate future. Socialist and/or communist nations have always been looked down upon, and at this moment we are more endangered due to the midevil, unevolved, and socially retarded motives of the Anti Communist Treaty Organization.

At this time the Federation of Avisron demands that thought be given to the long term strategic survival of this organization.

[Encrypted Message]

To: The Union of Communist Nations
From: The Avisronite Department of State

We feel it is highly important that a discussion between our memberstates takes place in the immediate future. Socialist and/or communist nations have always been looked down upon, and at this moment we are more endangered due to the midevil, unevolved, and socially retarded motives of the Anti Communist Treaty Organization.

At this time the Federation of Avisron demands that thought be given to the long term strategic survival of this organization.

Agreed. Where shall the discussion/meeting be hosted?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Hey Tocrowkia, would you like for me to make an invisionfree forum for the UCN?

Agreed. Where shall the discussion/meeting be hosted?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

[Response]

From: The Avisronite Department of State

If it would help the process of securing the future of the UCN speed up, Avisron would gladly host this meeting.

From: The United Democratic Republic of Morvonia
To: The Leadership of the UCN

The morvonian goverment is interessted in joining this organization, to help foster peaceful relations with its members through economic projects. We also do not mind that military bases be set up in our nation, so long as permission is asked to use the land in question, ports will also be opened to any of your ships passing through. We have been insolationist for too long and wish to aid not just you all, but the world in our struggle for peace and justice for all.

Yours,
The Cabinate of Morvonia.

OOC: if i am able to join i will post a map up so you guys can see where you want your bases.

From: The United Democratic Republic of Morvonia
To: The Leadership of the UCN

The morvonian goverment is interessted in joining this organization, to help foster peaceful relations with its members through economic projects. We also do not mind that military bases be set up in our nation, so long as permission is asked to use the land in question, ports will also be opened to any of your ships passing through. We have been insolationist for too long and wish to aid not just you all, but the world in our struggle for peace and justice for all.

Yours,
The Cabinate of Morvonia.

Your wish sounds true and just. I personally say "Aye" to allow him in.

Your wish sounds true and just. I personally say "Aye" to allow him in.

I agree.

the united socialist states of fahadia would like to join.:)

the united socialist states of fahadia would like to join.:)

That is all well and good my friend. But do you plan to stick around to actually participate? Or will you merely dissapear as do so many others?

Do you plan to RP with us for many a year to come?


It is a mere question of loyalty, as I see you are an October member, and have two posts. Most of the time, we never see you people again.

Hey Tocrowkia, would you like for me to make an invisionfree forum for the UCN?

((OOC: I don't know if we have enough people to keep it active. We'll see, though.))

[Response]

From: The Avisronite Department of State

If it would help the process of securing the future of the UCN speed up, Avisron would gladly host this meeting.

Very well.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

From: The United Democratic Republic of Morvonia
To: The Leadership of the UCN

The morvonian goverment is interessted in joining this organization, to help foster peaceful relations with its members through economic projects. We also do not mind that military bases be set up in our nation, so long as permission is asked to use the land in question, ports will also be opened to any of your ships passing through. We have been insolationist for too long and wish to aid not just you all, but the world in our struggle for peace and justice for all.

Yours,
The Cabinate of Morvonia.

OOC: if i am able to join i will post a map up so you guys can see where you want your bases.

Very well. Welcome to UCN.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Thank you, now to buissness, the map below will help you select base locations please, send the map back to my office with the areas you want marked on the map, i will then confirm the locations.

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5614/morvonia2my0.png

I would also like to donate 4 trillion dollars to the emergency fund for the UCN. Thank you all for the vote of confidence.

Prime Minister Alexandros Tselis

((OOC: k, I'll check it out later. Oh, and Wanderjar, I changed my mind about the forum. Go ahead and make it, it'll be nice to have a place where UCN members can discuss our evil plans without constant scrutiny!))

((OOC: Bump.))

((OOC: k, I'll check it out later. Oh, and Wanderjar, I changed my mind about the forum. Go ahead and make it, it'll be nice to have a place where UCN members can discuss our evil plans without constant scrutiny!))

http://z8.invisionfree.com/UCN/index.php?act=idx


Ok here it is! I'm not done with it yet, so new things will be added all the time, but at least we can go in and chat!

His and Her Britannic Majesties, Emperor James and Empress Hemali, Dual Sovereigns of British Londinium, would like to join the ACTO organisation.

His and Her Britannic Majesties, Emperor James and Empress Hemali, Dual Sovereigns of British Londinium, would like to join the ACTO organisation.

Then why are you posting it in the UCN thread?

Message from the 'Red Faction', Dyelli Beybi

Esteemed Comrades of the UCN,

Your organisation has recently come to our attention. While Dyelli Beybi has long been a beacon of Democracy and Socialism, it has recently fallen into yet another civil war, this time against the forces of neo Liberalism. We are however, confident of victory.

We wish at this time to extend our warmest sympathies to the UCN Alliance, and our wishes that it succeed in the future. We unfortunately, do not feel we would be readily admitted into the Alliance due to our Faction's current cooperation with the Tzarist Movement within Dyelli Beybi in a joint effort to defeat the current Neo Liberal Dictator. Desperate times make interesting bed fellows.

Nevertheless our thoughts are with you,
Felix Dzerzhinsky
Ambassador the the Royal Alliance (OOC: Red Faction + the Tzarist Movement)

Then why are you posting it in the UCN thread?


ooc: he's found OUT!!! he knows we are just a front for ACTO!!!! he must be killed!!!!!!! (NO NOT FOR REAL!!! * liability disclaimer, in no way do I encourage the slaying of this individual, and i will not be held accountable for any acts of slaying arising out of this statement, use discretion, in that i am not asking for this person to be killed, I am mearly using humour, and it is not intended to be taken as instructions on any actual real life course of action. L end liability disclaimer I)

Message from the 'Red Faction', Dyelli Beybi

Esteemed Comrades of the UCN,

Your organisation has recently come to our attention. While Dyelli Beybi has long been a beacon of Democracy and Socialism, it has recently fallen into yet another civil war, this time against the forces of neo Liberalism. We are however, confident of victory.

We wish at this time to extend our warmest sympathies to the UCN Alliance, and our wishes that it succeed in the future. We unfortunately, do not feel we would be readily admitted into the Alliance due to our Faction's current cooperation with the Tzarist Movement within Dyelli Beybi in a joint effort to defeat the current Neo Liberal Dictator. Desperate times make interesting bed fellows.

Nevertheless our thoughts are with you,
Felix Dzerzhinsky
Ambassador the the Royal Alliance (OOC: Red Faction + the Tzarist Movement)

OOC: Bump, lets support this guy, I can give them guns, ammo and some tanks.

From: Veket (Leader) Avram Karpouzjan
To: Union of Communist Nations

The Federal Union of Kelonian States wishes to join this union, and respects it's adherence to strict ideals and it's commitment to unity and mutual defence. By the power vested in me by the Kelonian government, I would like to request formal membership into this organization, and in order to assist the smaller, less economically-powerful members of the union, would be willing to boost the emergency funds up to 30 Trillion USD from it's current amount, as a show of our good faith.

We would also like to offer the use of our space vehicle launch facilities in the cities of Sudviyan and Graj Keramja for the purposes of launching satellites, shuttles and other space vehicles to members of the union who lack these facilities, so that we may all work on an equal footing to spread our ideals. Access to these sites would obviously not be unrestricted, but would be as unfettered as our national security will allow; there will be no allowance for offensive weaponry to be placed in space from Kelonian launch sites, for example. Everything else is, of course, negotiable.

Hoping our nations can find unity and go forth together,
Veket (Leader) Avram Karpouzjan,
Minister for External Affairs

From: United Soviet Party of Trasa

To: Union of Communist Nations

The USPT has discussed joining the Union and has come to an agreement that we shall put forth our request for joining.

We agree to all terms of joining and also wish to donate 40 Billion TSD Credits, the equivilant of 45 Billion USD to the emergancy funds as a token of friendship and trust.

May we always stay true to the Communist Dream.

Signed: The members of the United Soviet Party of Trasa.

Both of your applications are accepted gladly. Welcome to the Union of Communist Nations.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

OOC: About Dyelli Belbi, I´m also willing to support the struggles against capitalism, specifically with tanks and rocket launchers...

And I´ve been out cause I´m very busy til december 7th, so I won´t be much around til that date.

OOC: About Dyelli Belbi, I´m also willing to support the struggles against capitalism, specifically with tanks and rocket launchers...

And I´ve been out cause I´m very busy til december 7th, so I won´t be much around til that date.

ICCD is willing to pledge support as needed, to insure the internal security of our allies, as long as there is no conflict of interest, such as violation of the UCN mission.

To: Member states of the Union of Communist Nations
From: Petr Temourijan, Kelonian Delegate to the UCN
RE: Action to be taken in Sovistan?

Pertaining to the conflict in Sovistan, our security forces have noticed that what initially seemed like a reasonably just war in response for a terrorist attack is fast becoming an anti-communist free-for-all, with threats to outlaw, destroy or execute all elements of socialism and demands of forced slavery for profit in the part of Clandonia Prime, seemingly for little reason other than as 'punishment' for Sovistan being a communist nation. While our own government had previously sought to ensure the war was fought in accordance with human rights and for just causes, we feel that these things cannot be guaranteed without extra support for Sovistan, or even military intervention, such is the zeal of Clandonia and her allies to spill communist blood.

With our pleas for the war to be fought fairly and as much free of civilian suffering as possible - and for just causes - falling on deaf ears, I put it to the union that we should help our brothers in socialism, and do what we can to protect them from the marauding capitalist forces. The Clandonians claim they are invading Sovistan to prevent future terrorism, and to arrest terrorist suspects within Sovistan; I humbly suggest to the union that:


We use diplomacy or potentially military intervention to halt the patently illegal invasion of Sovistan.
We place a peacekeeping and law enforcement force within Sovistan to prevent further attacks, and to establish if Sovistan are in fact guilty of any terrorist activities.
If Sovistani citizens are found to be guilty of terrorist offences against Clandonia or any other nation, for those citizens to be tried in an international court overseen by the UCN to ensure fairness and justice.
Clandonia to be discouraged from continuing bloodthirsty wars against nations it has little more than political differences with, if possible.

We hope for a prompt response from the union, and hope we can work together to ensure the safety of smaller socialist nations from invasions by anti-communist forces. It is the Kelonian States' opinion that this invasion, while initially for tentative but acceptable reasons, has descended into an anti-communist free-for-all where the safety of our bretheren cannot be guaranteed, and has the potential to become a disaster for justice, or worse.

Sincerely,
Petr Temourijan,
Kelonian Delegate to the UCN

Im already giving them guns, but I dont want to enter a war which I know we wont win, specially when he used Chem. Weps. as a first strike option.

to: UCN

From: the border lands of wraggrover

The border lands of wraggrover are asking to please be admitted into your society. we abide your rules and have the money in the bank waiting for an emergency.

to: UCN

From: the border lands of wraggrover

The border lands of wraggrover are asking to please be admitted into your society. we abide your rules and have the money in the bank waiting for an emergency.

I vote not, he has threatened several ACTO nations just for the fun it, he only wants our protection to cover up his mess.

Plus, I might invade him later on

I vote not, he has threatened several ACTO nations just for the fun it, he only wants our protection to cover up his mess.

Plus, I might invade him later on

Seconded - it is not our responsibility or in our interests to harbour people that simply want to goad non-communists into a firefight.

To: Petr Temourijan, Kelonian
From: Dres Argnoyt, ICCD
RE: Action to be taken in Sovistan?
ICCD is willing to assist in peace keeping in Sovistan; however, we need more information before we can act. We will recognize you as lead on this mission, and upon reception of information and the required supports we can begin to implement the required measures.

In addition to peace keeping operations ICCD is willing to establish a neutral court, or atleast host such a court away from the locality to prevent local disruption, as well as to house any individuals charged with terrorist or other acts, as well as to supply some naval vessels and a support fleet to tend refugees or other individuals, as well as open up an emergency center here within ICCD to care for a number of refugees. If an emergency state exists we can open up an entire iIsland previously used to house refugees en mass within the East Coast Isles Chain, which is generally a nature reserve and former military naval station, since converted for refugees and since used minimally as a quarentine site, and foreign and domestic exile way station.

ICCD feels that it should assist in assuring peace and security for people otherwise persecuited for their beleifs in cooperation for mutual benifit.

to: the border lands of wraggrover


From: Office of the Logothe ofo th Drome, ICCD


ICCD is willing to have bilateral talks, on security and economic treaty and any other such required treaties.

In regard to membership ICCD abstains from a vote on the issue, but feels refusal of admission on grounds of being under attack is loosely warrented, but we feel that refusal at a time of great need may be issued, as that is perhaps when the alliance can do most good, assisting those who are in trouble, on the basis of protecting the people from unwarrrented attacks. Bearing in mind that this seems to be more so then ideology here though.

To the UCN-

Obviously ICCD feels that this is a warrented point of discussion, especially with any future interests involved, such as issues with forming an alliance with a party which may be targeted already by individuals within the alliance.

At the least ICCD is willing to have talks to prevent the spread of the anti communists where possible. Letting them destroy and devour the young communist fronts, will only thin out our capacity to respond if they finish with the individual parties, and us left with no fresh blood to call on.

Even if we do not officially respond, ICCD feels it is important that we discus this issue within alliance chambers more indepth, ICCD although may be sounding like a parot, would once again like to raise the threat that ACTO may pose to the UCN, and feels that we must solidify against the threat of ACTO and attempt to congeal to prevent damage not only to our alliance members, but to those that may form as future allies of the alliance.

True it may seem folly to provoke an attack on the alliance, however it is not too late to confront them, even if in secret.

Although ICCD does not condone unprovoked actions, it feels that we mustr wisely choose our allies, and not to fear a response, if there is atleast a chance of protecting a potential ally from mass political genocide, and the loss of democracy in favour of social uniity in a purpose of peace in communist practice.

ICCD, this guy, Waggrover or whatever, literally went into the ACTO thread and said "I WILL CRUSH YOU ALL!"

It is the official position of the Federal Union of Kelonian States that anything and everything Wraggover says or suggests should only be listened to as part of a late-night absurdist sketch show on Kelonian TV.

ICCD, this guy, Waggrover or whatever, literally went into the ACTO thread and said "I WILL CRUSH YOU ALL!"

That is a fairly bold statement. Hopefully Waggrover's action plan is as bold as Waggrover's statement. At the least I can hope that they deploy a multibillion dollar forces and eat up trillions in their combined defence spending.

I do admire the gall; I do understand TWSP's reasoning on their decision. ICCD beleives getting involved in a free for all is not in the UCN best interest; however, letting ACTO stomp every independant Communist Nation, while the alliance huddles in it's collective security igloo may not be a good long term strategy, atleast without building more air holes.

Although the Casa Militar acknowleges that it is not undertaking any covert actions against non allied ACTO nations, it is open to say that some type of contigencies or cooperation to weaken the resolve of ACTO may be in order.

The Logotheth is mearly entertaining an alliance, and as far as ICCD is aware, idle threats do not necisarily equate open war. While it may not be prudent to allow admission in full, it may be benificial to assist and equip a battle field to wear down our ideological enemies. This does not equate going to war, rather it equates building booby traps so atleast their foot gets stuck not in the door but in the pungee caltrop trap.

Oddly ICCD may even be allied loosely with some of the members of ACTO, so an all out war or even an indirect or offensive war, has political fall out.

It should be clear though that if Waggrover is not continuing in their course to be offensive towards ACTO then in general ICCD feels that in leui of an actual war that assisting Waggrover, economically and assisting their technology is not faux in general. That is we best prepare Waggrover to be more capable a nation and in leui of an offensive by Waggrover, improve their capacity to coexist peacefully, irregardless of external forces.

ICCD hasn't received any intelligence it may share demonstrating open hostilities between ACTO and Waggrover, ICCD is mearly entertaining assisting peaceful coexistant for ICCD, the UCN, and Waggrover. Not necisarily any such declaration of intent for offensive actions against ACTO. Bear in mind ICCD does feel that defensive discusion on the ACTO issue may be benificial for the UCN.

Assuming the attack Skynet began searching for its possible objective, it assumed by some error that The World Soviet Party had launched the attack and to the horror of missile commanders Skynet began deploying Clandonian nuclear forces to be used. The order was dispatched to the government that the Corporations system of Skynet had malfunctioned and that it had begun targetting TWSP...

I might need some help, anyone up for it?

IC:ly, I will. OOC:ly, I don't really know if I have enough time... but I will try anyways.
Madnestan stands by your side.

IC:ly, I will. OOC:ly, I don't really know if I have enough time... but I will try anyways.
Madnestan stands by your side.

Thanks :D

Shouldn't you start evacuating as much population as possible? Just in case? Madnestan is willing to take as many as you can send.

Shouldn't you start evacuating as much population as possible? Just in case? Madnestan is willing to take as many as you can send.

OOC: Looks like the threat of skynet is gone.... err sorta.

IC: ACTO is calling on attacks on the UCN itself now. I think measures need to be taken to prepare for a defence.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12082840']OOC: Looks like the threat of skynet is gone.... err sorta.

IC: ACTO is calling on attacks on the UCN itself now. I think measures need to be taken to prepare for a defence.

I agree with that, although Im not to sure that ACTO will make a move, as Clandonia's the one asking for it, and he's rather... infamous.

OOC: I don't have lots of time to commit to NS atm, but I'm willing to do a stomp of CP or ACTO. My posts probably just won't be huge.

[Open Message]

From: The Avisronite Department of State


The Federation of Avisron hereby wishes to be removed from the Union of Communist Nations. Over time our economy has progressively, and peacefully, advanced towards a more free-market system with basic regulations. We feel that being a member of the Union of Communist Nations no longer fits for our nation, and can no longer support it.

Further, we wish to apologise for all exchanges we have had with the members of ACTO, or anyone else opposing our involving in this organization. We see that as the past, and will not dwell on it any longer.

Fine. We do not want cowards like your self in this alliance. We wish your nations leader, and all of it's people turmoil and crisis.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Members:

Tocrowkia(Founder)
Liberated New Ireland(Co-Founder)
The World Soviet Party(Co-Founder)
Maraque
Wanderjar
Montegrande
H-Town Tejas
Usea-Jason
Kopparbergs
Chellis
Avisron
The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei
Morgiland
Galmiria
Icovir
Freedom Exterminated
Madnestan



You better start updatin' that list. Galmiria is gone.(nation deleted) Avisron is gone. (Smart choice)

Indeed, i applied but they forgot to add me. -_-

Indeed, i applied but they forgot to add me. -_-

Sorry about that, must have missed you. You can still join the new UCN, though.

It's not a problem, we are afterall merely human are quite prone to make mistakes. :) So do not worry, i'll still join up gladly, we must pull together to defend ourselves from the evil theories of 'Capitalism' that would attempt to destroy what we have created.

im in ur base oppresin ur doodz

Whatever, i'v been here a long long time, i'v built up my nation and have strengthened our forces, if war did break out you would find us a worthy foe.

Fine. We do not want cowards like your self in this alliance. We wish your nations leader, and all of it's people turmoil and crisis.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

[Open Message]

From: The Avisronite Department of State

To be acting as high and morally mighty as you, you seem to be highly hypocritical of anyone who doesn't agree with you. The Federation of Avisron never played an important role in your collectivism, and yet you wish us turmoil and crisis? You speak of being peaceful and defensive, yet you wish everyone who is different to fail.

Wow.

The Communist Dictatorship of East Lithuania would like to be admitted in

"The People's Republic of Great Nari is strictly against this alliance. We do not believe communism is evil, and understand in many nations that it can work. It is not the contention of the Great Narian government to restrict believes or force ours on other nations. It never has and never will.

Having stated this, this Union of Communist Nations will only cause there to be more hatred and violence between nations. Rather than an alliance of Communist nations, create an alliance based on protecting all people's from tyranny and oppression. The bylaws stated have created excellent entry standards when it comes to trade, oppression, and discrimination. This is something to be applauded.

Yet you must open your minds from just a communist world, to a world where peace and prosperity rule. The People's Republic asks you all to re-think this alliance, and to make the right changes to create a better world."

This message was approved by President Amras Wallace

There is power in numbers, says I. I would like to join the Alliance, The reason I quote the P.R. of Great Nari is because i believe that an alliance of the communist party will make possible the global transformation of paradise and the anarchist Utopia that will benefit us all. I say let us do what we have to do and don't come with your negative comments on how YOU think things should be done. Power to the people and freedom or death!

LIBERTAD O MUERTE...

-Sigfredo Méndez
Head of U.S.S.M.

Leocardia is entirely interested in joining the Union of Communist Nations.

Disheartened by recent events, the Reich is not entirely sure rather we wish to at all lead this alliance anymore. Our own people call for us to return to a state of isolationism, and escape the woe and suffering we have endured since returning to the international theater. Perhaps the CSN would better serve your needs as a less militant option to the now, all but defunct UCN.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Disheartened by recent events, the Reich is not entirely sure rather we wish to at all lead this alliance anymore. Our own people call for us to return to a state of isolationism, and escape the woe and suffering we have endured since returning to the international theater. Perhaps the CSN would better serve your needs as a less militant option to the now, all but defunct UCN.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Heh. As we stated before, we weren't sure this alliance would hold up. Tocrowkia seems to be proving our beliefs. Yet, the alliance in and of itself was a good idea, and needs to be continued. If the Reich wants this alliance crumble, let it.

Chellis will hold up the Vanguard of Communism. We will not allow the dirty capitalists prey upon us, one by one, until our way of life is slowly eraticated. as they tried before. Chellis knows; We used to be evil capitalists ourselves.

The Reich may chicken out if it wishes, Long live Communism!

-President Raslin Gregov Illiyich

Heh. As we stated before, we weren't sure this alliance would hold up. Tocrowkia seems to be proving our beliefs. Yet, the alliance in and of itself was a good idea, and needs to be continued. If the Reich wants this alliance crumble, let it.

Chellis will hold up the Vanguard of Communism. We will not allow the dirty capitalists prey upon us, one by one, until our way of life is slowly eraticated. as they tried before. Chellis knows; We used to be evil capitalists ourselves.

The Reich may chicken out if it wishes, Long live Communism!

-President Raslin Gregov Illiyich

We will not chicken out, so long as strong nations stand with us. As nice as the younger nations of the world are, they cannot hold back the imperialist hordes on their own. But so long as Chellis stands with us, then we too shall endure.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Sorry about that, must have missed you. You can still join the new UCN, though.


OOC: missed me too

Updated.

So, explanation of whats going on here?

So, explanation of whats going on here?

We're going to re-organize. New charter and everything.

Why?

We're going to re-organize. New charter and everything.

Good, good.

Are we going to have cookies?

Why?

Shedding some extra weight and what not.

TWSP: Depends. Are you going to bake said cookies?

Shedding some extra weight and what not.

TWSP: Depends. Are you going to bake said cookies?

Probably, my country has various big industries, the major ones being pr0n, cookies and PC Games :D

Alright boys and girls, I know we're reforming here, but this is a serious problem I feel we need to address. That serious problem is known as the APOC/SL/ACTO clique, especially APOC. It is a gathering of a bunch of "elite" nations, and if they threaten us with their little alliances, I want you all to use your IGNORE cannons.

These people, while not so bad in their own right, have been known to gang-up on people, invade them and start dividing their lands into little bits. Now I'm not suggesting you refrain RPing with the people in the alliances at all, as most of them are fairly good RPers(a rarity these days), and at least decent people OOC. How ever, the second they try to bring their wtfpwn alliances to the fore, ignore them. IGNORE them with all of your might.

Alright boys and girls, I know we're reforming here, but this is a serious problem I feel we need to address. That serious problem is known as the APOC/SL/ACTO clique, especially APOC. It is a gathering of a bunch of "elite" nations, and if they threaten us with their little alliances, I want you all to use your IGNORE cannons.
...this is the most n00bish thing I have ever read coming from someone with almost 3,000 posts. If others in the UCN want to be respected as RPers I would advise you to ignore Tocrowkia's "advice" to ignore anything that threatens you. Neither APOC nor SL nor ACTO have shown any inclination that they will suddenly leap on you en masse. All Tocrowkia's policy achieves is to make it impossible for 75% of the RPing nations on II to RP with the UCN.

...this is the most n00bish thing I have ever read coming from someone with almost 3,000 posts. If others in the UCN want to be respected as RPers I would advise you to ignore Tocrowkia's "advice" to ignore anything that threatens you. Neither APOC nor SL nor ACTO have shown any inclination that they will suddenly leap on you en masse. All Tocrowkia's policy achieves is to make it impossible for 75% of the RPing nations on II to RP with the UCN.

I have to agree with this. They're not godmodding on any thing.

Alright boys and girls, I know we're reforming here, but this is a serious problem I feel we need to address. That serious problem is known as the APOC/SL/ACTO clique, especially APOC. It is a gathering of a bunch of "elite" nations, and if they threaten us with their little alliances, I want you all to use your IGNORE cannons.

These people, while not so bad in their own right, have been known to gang-up on people, invade them and start dividing their lands into little bits. Now I'm not suggesting you refrain RPing with the people in the alliances at all, as most of them are fairly good RPers(a rarity these days), and at least decent people OOC. How ever, the second they try to bring their wtfpwn alliances to the fore, ignore them. IGNORE them with all of your might.

For starters, Prae is right. None of these 'cliques' currently show any sign of leaping on you like this. I would go so far as to suggest that ACTO, for one, will never make a concerted movement against UCN.

But second, to do what you suggest would ruin the entire fiber of NationStates. The UCN can't just launch an IGNORE barrage anytime someone shows up who is beating them. I hold up the magnificent example of Czardas in the "Death to Democracy!" thread, who despite being invaded by six larger nations held his ground, didn't fire an IGNORE cannon once, and dealt with the consequences. If someone invades you and divides your land into little bits, what I would do is take the opportunity for a quick NS break, then ask them later to leave, so that you can RP as an independent nation again.

OOC: Oh come on Tocrowkia, you create a communist alliance just like when Nato was created the Soviet Union made their own. Its what happens in life, you create a organisation to counter something that you don't like.

Be a sport and don't be a n00b.

Wow... Tocrowkia, your advice easily dwarfs my leaving an RP out of OOC disgust... I doubt any alliance will activly drive against the UCN, but far from it. Look how long it took for the "last great war" thread to get started, and how a potentially grand RP was destroyed by ignore-cannon weilding nations.

I got yelled at yesterday by Tocrowkia for posting in the Restructing thread, which had at that point not been labeled as closed. I posted a news article type thing just like Praetonia did, but somehow mine wasn't acceptable. It's why I'm done with the UCN as well.

Please guys, calm down, Tocrowkia is not the sole member of this alliance, and Im sure other members wont follow his "IGNORE Advise" (No offense Toc).
Now, if we all discuss this as civilized people, we might be able to reach an agreement.

Please guys, calm down, Tocrowkia is not the sole member of this alliance, and Im sure other members wont follow his "IGNORE Advise" (No offense Toc).
Now, if we all discuss this as civilized people, we might be able to reach an agreement.

Indeed, just because Toc feels that way, its not like we all follow suit. Personally, I'll fight anyone who attacks me, as long as they are MT or willing to RP as such, and don't godmode. If the whole world invades me, and nobody comes to my aid, I'll fight them on the beaches and the fields, in the cities and the... well, you get the point.

Hell, I have a whole thing planned already if I get fully controlled. It wouldn't be pretty for anyone, especially me :P

Please guys, calm down, Tocrowkia is not the sole member of this alliance, and Im sure other members wont follow his "IGNORE Advise" (No offense Toc).
Now, if we all discuss this as civilized people, we might be able to reach an agreement.

Heh...don't worry, I think we're all calm, just concerned. Good to hear you all are keeping your own counsel.

I don't have much to discuss that I, Prae, Clandonia, or Mer des Ennuis haven't said.

Heh...don't worry, I think we're all calm, just concerned. Good to hear you all are keeping your own counsel.

I don't have much to discuss that I, Prae, Clandonia, or Mer des Ennuis haven't said.

Word.

[Im in no way involved in this alliance, but as a third party, I never RP with people that use 'Ignore Cannons' as a way to avoid legit fighting. I understand godmods, but to just avoid nations more powerful than your own? Thats like Iraq ignoring the US... that policy of ignoring anyone that beats you is really a poor one.]

[Im in no way involved in this alliance, but as a third party, I never RP with people that use 'Ignore Cannons' as a way to avoid legit fighting. I understand godmods, but to just avoid nations more powerful than your own? Thats like Iraq ignoring the US... that policy of ignoring anyone that beats you is really a poor one.]

Guys, if you have stuff like this to say, please TG toc about it. Don't want the thread filling up with OOC comments from non-members. Thanks.

Tocrowkia(Founder)
Liberated New Ireland(Co-Founder)
The World Soviet Party(Co-Founder)
Maraque
Wanderjar
Montegrande
H-Town Tejas
Usea-Jason
Kopparbergs
Chellis
Soviet Trasa
The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei
Morgiland
Galmiria
Icovir
Freedom Exterminated
Madnestan
Morvonia


TAKE GALMIRIA OUT!!! He is not a nation anymore!

TAKE GALMIRIA OUT!!! He is not a nation anymore!

Maldorians, whether maldorians is or isnt in our list isn't really your buisness. Are you the UCN? Are you Galmiria?

You've already pointed this out once. Thank you. It will get taken care of. If you feel the need to further talk about this, please, go through TG's, to me or preferably Toc, as she is the one with the power to edit the thread.

so am i in?

OOC: Oh come on Tocrowkia, you create a communist alliance just like when Nato was created the Soviet Union made their own. Its what happens in life, you create a organisation to counter something that you don't like.

Be a sport and don't be a n00b.

Actually, ACTO was created to counter the UCN, not the other way round.

OOC: Oh come on Tocrowkia, you create a communist alliance just like when Nato was created the Soviet Union made their own. Its what happens in life, you create a organisation to counter something that you don't like.

Be a sport and don't be a n00b.

Actually, ACTO was created to counter the UCN, not the other way round.

OOC:
Clandonia really needs to get his facts straight, huh?

OOC:
Clandonia really needs to get his facts straight, huh?

OOC: I know that! I was just making an example to a RL situation so perhaps Toc could understand.

Listen, we shouldn't wait for them to take the fight to us, instead we should strike at their alliances first, drive them back and cripple their economies, if all of us pull together and plan carefully together they will nolonger be a threat.

This is only a suggestion and advice, nobody is required to follow it, as i said, merely a suggestion. *Nods* Thanks for your time.

The Halladi Workers' Republic requests observer status in this organization.

Listen, we shouldn't wait for them to take the fight to us, instead we should strike at their alliances first, drive them back and cripple their economies, if all of us pull together and plan carefully together they will nolonger be a threat.

This is only a suggestion and advice, nobody is required to follow it, as i said, merely a suggestion. *Nods* Thanks for your time.

Assuming you're referring to ACTO, or even ACTO+Sovereign League+APOC, that would be a very very bad idea for you. Things are never as simple as what you say. That's like the imperial powers' view of WWI before the whole thing stalled: it would be simple, it would last mere months. Look what happened.

The Shleiffen (Spelling?) Plan would have worked if they hadn't deviated from it... But they did and got into Trench Warfare, that was their failing.

Maybe. They were obviously leery of committing so many troops on essentially a massive gamble. I happen to think you are right, but WWI tactics aside, UCN is in no way capable of taking out APOC, and since APOC, the Sovereign League, the CAD, and ACTO are so closely tied as to be practically indistinguishable (as AMF pointed out), messing with one could cause massive escalation.

The Halladi Workers' Republic requests observer status in this organization.

I vote yes.

On the UCN vs. ACTO/Etc. war

Its foolish, as:

UCN = Some large nations and some medium sized nations
ACTO/Etc. = Lots of large nations and some smaller ones

so am i in?

Are you guys ignoring me?

Are you guys ignoring me?

Oh, sorry, I've been a little busy lately.

I vote yes on your application, now we just need Tocrowkia to come online and add you.

Once again, Im sorry for the delay.

The Shleiffen (Spelling?) Plan would have worked if they hadn't deviated from it... But they did and got into Trench Warfare, that was their failing.

The Schlieffen Plan would only have worked if the German high command had been right about everything that could happen. One unexpected event would throw the entire plan off and they'd have to start from scratch. The first unexpected thing I can think of is that Russia mobilized quicker then they expected. Massive, grand battle plans only work if you know everything and can read the future.

/derail

From the United Socialist States of Rustov:

Our policies of isolationism, and millitary increase have done much for our nation. We have always been isolated, and never acted upon international alliances. However, when we discovered this union, and its policies, we were thoroughly intrigued. Our nation is strong, and we meet all regulatory conditions too join. We hereby place an apllication.

Guys, please stop derailing. Go create a WW1 thread in general for this crap.

Hey guys, I've got a grand suggestion. How about I let Chellis take over leadership of the UCN? I admit I've been a pretty apathetic leader. I haven't really contributed anything other than my grand IC war speeches and propaganda. I haven't even updated the membership list in weeks. And since I am a god-modding n00b simply because I don't want to get wtfpwn by ACTO/SL/APOC it DOES make only sense that you'd want to enhance the image of UCN and your selves by distancing your selves from me.

I won't be offended if you vote for Chellis. Because quite honestly I have more fun with character RPs and FT than I do MT anymore. At least in those areas I have the freedom to do what I want without the threat of ACTO and friends descending upon me and using their "superior, unlimited" strength to defeat me.

Well, its your choice, not ours.

Although I was counting on getting the torch myself :P

We'll need a new thread though.

Well, its your choice, not ours.



Not really.

Not really.

*Shrugs*

I might not be a grand RP'er, but I hope no one will be angry if I run for UCN leader. Not that I want you to leave, no, I really wish you'd stay, but that's your choice.

just remember, if anyone tries to run this alliance, it seems like our alliance is not liked by other alliances, so be prepared to truely lead.

I find it amusing that you guys will elect your leader for the UCN but won't allow your citizens to take place in free elections for their leader.

I find it amusing that you guys will elect your leader for the UCN but won't allow your citizens to take place in free elections for their leader.

That's cool. I actually find not one, not two, but three things amusing.


The fact you have no idea what you're talking about, as most of, if not all of UCN at least claims to be democratic. Myself and TWSP included
That you even care, considering these aren't real people we're talking about.
The fact that you continue to post in this thread, despite being asked (politely, might I add) more than once to refrain from doing so.

The Socialist Union seeks access to this alliance.

Premier Mali Tobenhankmen

I find it amusing that you guys will elect your leader for the UCN but won't allow your citizens to take place in free elections for their leader.

TWSP hold presidential elections every 4 years, thank you.

All other political positions are voted as well, in fact, most things in this country require a vote or poll of some sort.

Democratic elections with a communist economic system. Hoho.

Democratic elections with a communist economic system. Hoho.

Yeah, it's crazy that an ideology that advocates democracy in the workplace would also have a democratic political system.

Yeah, it's crazy that an ideology that advocates democracy in the workplace would also have a democratic political system.

Indeed. Why bother to do better, you'll be paid just the same as everyone else!

Yay Communism!

Why bother to do better, you'll be paid just the same as everyone else!

Because you love your country with devotion equal to religious fanatism, and you know that by doing better your country grows stronger, which benefits you too.

Anything else?

[OOC: That worked well in the Soviet Union. No wait, the Soviet Union had to threaten people with deportation and death to force them to work and still had an economy far and away less efficient than that of the West, and the Soviet Union had an internal currency. I don't really care for the capitalism vs communism principle debate, as it generally doesn't go anywhere whilst angering all involved, but you can hardly claim things which historical precedent has proven to be false.

Velkya: Democracy and state socialism are not irreconcilable (democracy actually produced state socialism in Britain in the 60s and 70s, for instance), but in practise democracy rarely sustains repressive political systems, either social or (in this case) economic. It might start out as communism, but unless there is a great deal of propaganda going around, it won't stay as communism for long, probably turning into a type of social democracy.]

Because you love your country with devotion equal to religious fanatism, and you know that by doing better your country grows stronger, which benefits you too.

Anything else?

You sure have a positive view of human nature. While I'm sure you'll do well because of that, you might want to read 1984, Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm, or a detailed history of society. Besides which, how do you inspire that fanatical love in the whole workforce?

Sorry to get involved in this; capitalism/communism debates rarely get anywhere.

Madnestians are better than Russians were. They're smart enough to know what's good for them. I'm not talking about RL here, fellows. Soviet Union and its communism were one thing, my NS nation and its communism are another. Don't mix things up.

Velkya just asked why would they work harder - I gave him the Madnestian answer.

Madnestians are better than Russians were. They're smart enough to know what's good for them. I'm not talking about RL here, fellows. Soviet Union and its communism were one thing, my NS nation and its communism are another. Don't mix things up.

Velkya just asked why would they work harder - I gave him the Madnestian answer.

Ahhh, gotcha. My bad.

*Knocks on glass*

Are you all ignoring me or somethin' cuz' I'm new?

Madnestians are better than Russians were. They're smart enough to know what's good for them. I'm not talking about RL here, fellows. Soviet Union and its communism were one thing, my NS nation and its communism are another. Don't mix things up.
[OOC: The principle being used is exactly the same. The Soviets found that they could not get people to work hard/at all simply by asking them and telling them "it's for their own good". The Soviets used extensive propaganda to breed nationalism. The Soviets told people that it would be "better for them" if they worked harder. It didn't work. A single individual not working under a system of perfect redistribution has no measurable effect on the individual, nor does working harder - the effect is far too remote to provide any incentive. The principle that working harder feeds back to you in some miniscule way eventually works under capitalism as well - how many people do you see in well-educated America working overtime for no extra pay "because it's for my own good"? Even in countries that specifically encouraged it, it did not happen, and they were forced to revert to threat of force to get people to work. Why should it be any different in your country? Because your people are mindless drones who do whatever the government says? Surely if someone claimed to have emotionless supersoldiers who never retreat, you would complain. I know I would. You are doing exactly the same thing here.]

I'm going to go ahead and request the last page be deleted. Do not start this debate again, at least not in this topic.

Just for everyone's knowledge, the UCN houses both Socialist and Communist nations, the name only reads communists because it would ring better than UCSN or USCN.

Oh, and everyone that applied for membership is accepted. Just don't be expecting to be added to the list until the election is over.

Now, back to that...

While I won't be deleting posts...this time, I will advise y'all to heed Tocrowkia's advice and stay on topic.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

With that settled, I'd like to get back on topic. UCN members, please vote for your new leader.

Chellis: 1(My vote)
Tocrowkia: 0
TWSP:

Chellis

w007! Go me :p

I abstain from voting. I'm fine with leading it, but I only want to lead if the majority of others want me to.

Chellis: 2
Tocrowkia: 0
TWSP:1

My vote goes for TWSP.

Thanks *Thumbs up*

Chellis: 2
Tocrowkia: 0
TWSP: 2

As of this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512444), I am no longer in the running.

I do expect some sort of honorary position in the new UCN, though. :p

Sure, should I win thou shalt be appointed... uhh... Great Marshall of Pointless Stuff (TM) :D

Say, would a democratic nation that fits the prerequisites and is willing to comply with the military requirements (me) be allowed to join? I don't like the theocracies, fascist states, and corporate empires either, but I am not communist.

Hello Comrade the Grand New USSR would like to join this grand Union and say Long Live the Revolution! Workers of the World Let us UNITE!

Khorvania: Yeah, I say yes.

Grand New USSR: I dont know you, so I'll just wait for you to RP a bit before casting my vote.

OOC: Since I was never removed from the member list... I'll stay. Stay I say!!!111111oneoneone

OOC: Since I was never removed from the member list... I'll stay. Stay I say!!!111111oneoneone

Who do you vote for Chairman then?

Tocrowkia (who is leaving), Chellis, or me?

You.

You.

Thanks :D

Chellis: 2
Tocrowkia: 0
TWSP: 3

Just to mention, TWSP is going to be away for a whie, so if he's elected leader, we won't have a leader off and on for what, two months was it?

Just to mention, TWSP is going to be away for a whie, so if he's elected leader, we won't have a leader off and on for what, two months was it?

Less actually, about a month from January the 1st onwards, just holidays really.

By the way, nice move :D

Less actually, about a month from January the 1st onwards, just holidays really.

By the way, nice move :D

;)

[OOC: Chellis, TWSP, how do each of you feel about the possibilities of the UCN becoming more active in RP'ing in some sort of communist/capitalist cold war type thing?]

[OOC: Chellis, TWSP, how do each of you feel about the possibilities of the UCN becoming more active in RP'ing in some sort of communist/capitalist cold war type thing?]

OOC: Well, I dunno. I don't really want a full out war, but a cold war could be interesting. Just a small step above whats going on now, really.

[OOC: Chellis, TWSP, how do each of you feel about the possibilities of the UCN becoming more active in RP'ing in some sort of communist/capitalist cold war type thing?]

Well, Cold Wars are fun, I dont like Hot Wars that much, plus, I have this great idea for espionage and counter-espionage RPs, with moles, desinformation, agents and stuff going around. Only downsize is we need embassies in such countries to carry these missions out (think The Icon, Odessa and such stuff.
Old school stuff =p

[OOC: That actually works out well. See, I was planning on having my nation contact the UCN after the new leader is elected and offer to exchange embassy type things in order to possibly work out a truce/thing. We could get an array of embassies there, but it's hard to plan this since we don't really know who else would be interested... Count me in though.]

The tiny, fledgling Socialist States of Korbonis submits itself for the approval and acceptance into the United Communist Nations.

However, I regret to inform the UCN that because of it's fledgling status, and weak economy due to anti-business policies, the USSK will have difficulty paying all of the trillion dollar requirement.

anything happening as of late have been away for last week or so.

The tiny, fledgling Socialist States of Korbonis submits itself for the approval and acceptance into the United Communist Nations.

However, I regret to inform the UCN that because of it's fledgling status, and weak economy due to anti-business policies, the USSK will have difficulty paying all of the trillion dollar requirement.

Dont worry about it, I'll work on getting that out if Im elected =p

[OOC: How long are the polls open?]

[OOC: How long are the polls open?]

ICCD would like to state that it thinks all those running TWSP, Chelllis are fine canidates and both would be wonderful leaders of the UCN. ICCD would like to split it's vote in half and give half a vote to each... in the event it cannot it will vote for Toc.

The small Republic of Czechalrus would be honored if it where premitted to join, but we may have a problem paying the whole fee, as the Capitalists have corrupted our economy. Czechalrus will do all it can in the event that a country needs aid of any kind.

For once I will vote in favour of a new membership rather than abstaining.

Comrades

Chellis has been blockading the evil capitalist nation of Laquasa Isle. It has been warmongering, and commiting terrorist acts, and so we felt we needed to act. Things were going well, until the cowards did the unthinkable.

They nuked one of our fleets.

Unless they surrender, there will be a war. Comrades, Laquasa Isle is a nation of Cowards, they are trying to misguide nations and bring them on their side. If this happens, Chellis may ask for your help. This is an alliance, show your colors! If we need you, and you can help, we ask you prepare for a possible conflict. We aren't demanding, but Chellis would be there for you.

Remember that, Comrades.

OOC: Chellis, do you have a link to a thread?

OOC: Chellis, do you have a link to a thread?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512787

Oh Chellis, you have my support.

Comrades

Chellis has been blockading the evil capitalist nation of Laquasa Isle. It has been warmongering, and commiting terrorist acts, and so we felt we needed to act. Things were going well, until the cowards did the unthinkable.

They nuked one of our fleets.

Unless they surrender, there will be a war. Comrades, Laquasa Isle is a nation of Cowards, they are trying to misguide nations and bring them on their side. If this happens, Chellis may ask for your help. This is an alliance, show your colors! If we need you, and you can help, we ask you prepare for a possible conflict. We aren't demanding, but Chellis would be there for you.

Remember that, Comrades.

I don't recall nuking yuour fleets. That was BL's. But he's already glassy.

But it's a damn good lie to get allies on your side. I wish I'd beat you to it.

I don't recall nuking yuour fleets. That was BL's. But he's already glassy.

But it's a damn good lie to get allies on your side. I wish I'd beat you to it.

OOC: There's nothing wrong in lying, when you do it in IC, buddy. Leaders don't need to be honest.

OOC: Link to the nuking post

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12173916&postcount=76

And right now, nobody really knows who nuked it... But we ruled out everyone but laquasa isle, and chellis. Obviously, we wouldn't nuke ourselves... ;)

The Worker's State of Kulikovia desired admittance into the Union of Communist Nations. We hope to spread the ideals of Democratic Socialism and bring about an end to fascism, capitalism, and imperialism.

The Worker's State of Kulikovia desired admittance into the Union of Communist Nations. We hope to spread the ideals of Democratic Socialism and bring about an end to fascism, capitalism, and imperialism.


Obviouslly we will support members of the alliance in any legitimate and forced war.


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In private communications if aware, as I geuss the alliance members we notified of the nuclear attack. ICCD is awaiting a response from chellis on any war plans, and permission to enter the theatre if required, depending on the operations. Up to three battle groups can be sent with support staff and equipment and hopefully can arrive within a few weeks depending on the isle location.

From what we know we think heavy air bombardment, led by missle salvo's may be a good start especially those aimed at coast defences for a few chosen landing sites as required, as well as hitting all military and government and major infrastructure works.

It would be our great honor to be part of this union.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12179228']Obviouslly we will support members of the alliance in any legitimate and forced war.


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In private communications if aware, as I geuss the alliance members we notified of the nuclear attack. ICCD is awaiting a response from chellis on any war plans, and permission to enter the theatre if required, depending on the operations. Up to three battle groups can be sent with support staff and equipment and hopefully can arrive within a few weeks depending on the isle location.

From what we know we think heavy air bombardment, led by missle salvo's may be a good start especially those aimed at coast defences for a few chosen landing sites as required, as well as hitting all military and government and major infrastructure works.

We thank ICCD for her support. Laquasa Isle will not be a problem by itself, however, if allies are brought in, we might require help. We only ask that our Comrades be wary, also in case of possible further nuclear attacks by Laquasa Isle. Chellis doesn't resort to such cowardly weapons, and focus on ABM systems.

We will update the alliance on happenings.

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Also, the UCN needs leadership. Quite simply, we need someone to lead us, we cannot function otherwise. Chellis is willing to allow TWSP to have leadership of the UCN, however, its... hard to reach at the moment. If there are no objections, Chellis would like to take control of the UCN until TWSP is back and active, at which point it can take over.

Encrypted communication to Chellis from The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

We have been notified about the current situation with Laquasa Isle, and we're ready to send you support. We will however wait until you ask for it, ask we do believe that Laquasa Isle won't be a problem to handle by Chellis alone.

We are worried over the nuclear attack done by Laquasa Isle, but we're glad that Chellis doesn't pay back with the same kind of coward ness. We're convinced that all nukes in LI must be destroyed, or at least dismantled.

EDIT: We are putting up a trade embargo against Laquasa Isle, prohibiting corporations in the Kingdom to do business with corporations in LI. We urge all other members of UCN to do the same. The embargo will exist until a peace treaty is signed between Chellis and LI.
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We will also support a temporary leadership for the UCN by Chellis. An alliance without leadership is just like a soldier without bullets.

Prime Minister
Walter Moltov
The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

It would be our great honor to be part of this union.
ICCD sees no issue with this workers state to gain membership.

As for Chellis as acting leader of the union I think that strong leadership is merited and I will support chellis as acting leader until TWSP returns.

The thought also came that perhaps an emergency council of the most active members could be formed in a joint leadership so that if the acting leader was not available or reachable for a day or two then a sub leader could fill the roll. Such as a security council or otherwise, and would support Chellis and TWSP as the two such members, perhaps with some acting contigency command line. It seems agreed that TWSP would be #1 in this endevour and Chellis vice commander or something of the sort, seeing as they are by far the most popular members with the most support it makes natural sense.

Although until TWSP returns, as long as there are no coupes over any decisions made, but I think that in the interim Chellis should take over leadership roles with a future veto posible by TWSP on any actions in the interim.

That is ICCD's take. We await word, our missle defence systems will be paying extra special attention and air crews are standing by, and an operation is underway now, even though it is termed an 'exercise' three sub battle groups are being deployed on 'exercises' surface ships are not yet being dispatched, but will be in the case of any need for a larger intervention. They will not be deployed in the territorial waters though.. but will be kept within a day or so if posible, in international waters if at all posible.

This alliance seems like a very good idea except for one aspect in the economic requirments. True Communism would have abolished currency, meaning that the people would produce things for free and get them for free. Your 3 trillion $ equivalant would not be able to be met by true Communist countries, only puppet nations that claim to be Communist. Because my settlement is deep in our solar system (away from the Capitalist threats), I am sure that my country shall have dealings with the ICCD within the near future.

Glory to the proletariot, down with Capitalism, Reason in revolt now thunders!:mp5:
:sniper:
Comrade Mercurio
The voice of the workers of Operarsa

OOC: I don't think member states have to be true communist states. I've said time and time again that despite my membership, my nation is hardly communist, but I have some socialist ideals in place in my nation.

Comrade Aaron here ready to serve the people

Maraque and any other involved in the war with the Laqusa Isles. ICCD is in a jam, since it is a member of the GIA as well as allied with you via the UCN. If hostilities do break out we ask that our forces be considered neutral to one another in the event of any conflict. That is we will not target one anothers forces during the hostilities, but may freely target non alliance members. Unless some type of compromise can be worked out. Although ICCD is fettered over Laqusa Isles anti communist beleifs, and actively spoke against the isles admission to the GIA ICCD may be forced to defence the Isles as part of the GIA constitution.

Hopefully an agreement not to target one anothers forces may be atleast amible, although Laqusa Isles is the defender in this instance.

Any comments or suggestions are much appreciated at this precarious time.

The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs is inquiring about the status of our organization as of today.

Is this organization still alive? Who is the current leader?

If the fact is the UCN is dead – is someone ready to form a new socialist organization?

Prime Minister
Walter Moltov
The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

OOC: If we're having another leader it may be a good thing to make a new thread as it's hard for someone other than Toc. to edit the first post in this thread.

I think the UCN is good as dead, but I can make a new thread if you guys want me to.

Maybe a whole new organization?

I think the UCN is good as dead, but I can make a new thread if you guys want me to.

Maybe a whole new organization?
Count me us if you're doing a new organization. We think you should do well as a founder and leader of a new organization.

Okay, first things first, we need a new name, any suggestions?

OOC:

Either Comintern or

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Logo_of_the_Fourth_International.png/60px-Logo_of_the_Fourth_International.png
The Fourth International

should work for me, if it's OK to take RL-based names. Someone else who has a suggestion?

Mhhh, what about Socialist Pact?

Pact of Socialist Nations/Countries?

Alliance for Socialism?

Socialist Alliance?

Global Pact for Socialism?

Global Socialist Union?

I dunno

Socialist Solidarity Pact/Group/Alliance.

*shrug*

Socialist Solidarity Pact/Group/Alliance.

*shrug*

The first one's nice, now if we add another "S" you'll get SSSP :) (sounds like CCCP, doesnt it?)

The first one's nice, now if we add another "S" you'll get SSSP :) (sounds like CCCP, doesnt it?)
Socialist Solidarity Pact sounds very good! We just need to find out what the fourth S should mean.

Member of the SSSP - sounds good, and gives the right signals.

Global United Socialist Union.

Global United Socialist Union.

Mhhh... What about "Global Union of Socialist Nations" or "Global Union of United Socialism" =p

Your's good, but the Global at the start doest sound right (at least to me, lets wait and see what the others have to say).

Errr, right. I actually meant to type "Global Union of Socialist Nations." I had a brain fart.

Errr, right. I actually meant to type "Global Union of Socialist Nations." I had a brain fart.

GUSN?

Uhm, I like it!

Let it be known that I vote for that name.

The United Socialist States of Labhekistan would gladly pledge it's alliegence to such an organization if it is to be formed.

Yea, I can live with the name Global Union of Socialist Nations. But my first choice is the SSSP.

Socialist Solidarity and Support Pact.

I like Global Union of Socialist Nations more, actually.

Well it appears as though that name is becoming quite the popular name, eh?

Well it appears as though that name is becoming quite the popular name, eh?

Yes. Yes it is. *clubs a seal*

Then, its either:

A) Socialist Solidarity and Support Pact.
or
B) Global Union of Socialist Nations

We must vote!

I vote for B)