NationStates Jolt Archive

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-Introduction

For far too long has the world been populated by nothing but oppressive theocracies, fascist regimes and maniacal Corporate Empires that oppress, murder, and invade without reason. Billions live Orwellian lifestyles, deprived of even the most basic of human resources and freedoms while their Government uses their suffering to implement discipline and obedience upon the populace.

And for far too long has the only "beacon of hope" been GASN. For all their bark about civil rights and human freedom, they do nothing but hold up in their own fortress states. They let the Corporate Alliances of the world run rampant across our lands, doing nothing to assist those in need. As long as it is not one of their own that is attacked, then it is of no concern to them.

This cannot persist! We must rise above the Corporations, The Fascists and the Theocracies. There must stand an alliance of honorable and brave nations that boast the ideals of freedom and democracy. And that alliance shall be the UCN, for communism has, and always will be a bastion of these ideals. Join with us, and obliterate the forces of evil before they have the chance unleash their dark murdering armies! We shall not be an alliance of coward nations such as GASN. Our objective is to stand strong in the face of evil, and indeed, to destroy it.

Proletariat, arise! Eviscerate the Bourgeoisie!

Economic Terms of Admittance

-To Qualify, your nation, must of course, adhere to Communism in one of it's forms.
-A standard term to any alliance, but a valid one none the less, all alliance members must agree to open trade with the rest of the alliance.
-Any tariffs or sanctions against another alliance member, or any entity within an alliance members nation must be lifted prior to joining the alliance.
-In the case of an emergency, all alliance members are expected to transfer at least 1.5 Trillion$ to any alliance member in need. And by emergency, we do not just mean military emergencies. Natural disasters count as well.

Political Terms of Admittance

-Any Nations with any sort of state-endorsed system of racism, sexism, or religious intolerance shall not be allowed to join UCN.
-Any potential member is asked not to have a state or state-endorsed religion for political reasons. The UCN promotes secularism and free thinking, after all.
-Added to the above, all UCN member-states recognized that humans of every race, gender, and sexuality are all equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities within their nations.
-All Nations must have, to some extent, freedom of the press.

Military Terms of Admittance

-To avoid becoming a hulking-mess of an alliance such as GASN, the UCN wishes it's members to allow construction of military bases of other members on their soil, as well as vice-versa. This will allow for quick deployment of our forces in any part of the world to deal with any crisis.
-If a Member-state releases a piece of Military technology for sale on the International Market, they are requested to provide (at least) a 1 million dollar discount.
-All Member-states are also required to pool their Nuclear arsenals and SDI systems in order to maintain a competent nuclear deterrent, as well as a nuclear defense system.
-There also exists an "emergency procurement budget" for all members of the alliance of 20 Trillion$, designed so as to allow all members to withdraw money from this fund to purchase hardware for their military. A maximum of 1 Trillion$ can be withdrawn by any one nation at a time, and UCN members are asked, but not required, to donate to this emergency fund to allow for faster procurement and in greater quantities.

Current Emergency Funds: 56.45 Trillion USD


Security Council

The Governing body is the Security Council, made up of 50 Representatives of each Member-state. This council votes on issues relevant to the alliance, be they economic, military, or political. Once the alliance grows large enough, a "Permanent Member" roster of 5 Nations will be elected. These nations have veto power against any proposal by simply saying "Veto'd" against any proposal.

Members:

Tocrowkia(Founder)
Liberated New Ireland(Co-Founder)
The World Soviet Party(Co-Founder)
Maraque
Wanderjar
Montegrande
H-Town Tejas
Usea-Jason
Kopparbergs
Chellis
Soviet Trasa
The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei
Morgiland
Galmiria
Icovir
Freedom Exterminated
Madnestan
Morvonia

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy of the Secular Empire of Maraque would like to join this alliance.

May the reign of the Imperialists fall by our hand! The Red Commonwealth of Wanderjar requests to join this Union.

The Socialist Republic of Montegrande wishes to apply...

"The People's Republic of Great Nari is strictly against this alliance. We do not believe communism is evil, and understand in many nations that it can work. It is not the contention of the Great Narian government to restrict believes or force ours on other nations. It never has and never will.

Having stated this, this Union of Communist Nations will only cause there to be more hatred and violence between nations. Rather than an alliance of Communist nations, create an alliance based on protecting all people's from tyranny and oppression. The bylaws stated have created excellent entry standards when it comes to trade, oppression, and discrimination. This is something to be applauded.

Yet you must open your minds from just a communist world, to a world where peace and prosperity rule. The People's Republic asks you all to re-think this alliance, and to make the right changes to create a better world."

This message was approved by President Amras Wallace

[Encrypted Message]

To: Tocrowkia
From: The State Department of Avisron

The Socialist State of Avisron fully supports this alliance and requests membership. We comply with all listed objectives and are willing to donate our share of funds to the organization. However, we may have slight issue allowing military forces of other states to be stationed in Avisron. If we could have an agreement that these forces would be fairly small during peacetime, however, there would be no problems.

We'll gladly join this alliance (Really, LNI, you and me should be listed as Co-Founders =p)

Maraque, Wanderjar, Montegrande. and The World Soviet Party are all welcomed into the alliance, and we thank them for joining.

To: Tocrowkia
From: The State Department of Avisron

The Socialist State of Avisron fully supports this alliance and requests membership. We comply with all listed objectives and are willing to donate our share of funds to the organization. However, we may have slight issue allowing military forces of other states to be stationed in Avisron. If we could have an agreement that these forces would be fairly small during peacetime, however, there would be no problems.

We wish to place a force of at least 200,000 personnel on each members soil. Is this acceptable?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

We'll gladly join this alliance (Really, LNI, you and me should be listed as Co-Founders =p)

(Truly)

The People's Republic of Liberated New Ireland revokes any allegience to the GASN, and gladly joins the UCN.

The People's Republic of H-Town Tejas would like in on this alliance.

((OOC: Updated.))

((OOC: Updated.))

OOC: Awesome.

OOC: *Thumbs up* Everything ok so far.

First Proposal to vote for:
-should we set up an off-Jolt Forum?

EDIT:


We wish to place a force of at least 200,000 personnel on each members soil. Is this acceptable?


Of Course, Comrade Chairman.

OOC: *Thumbs up* Everything ok so far.

First Proposal to vote for:
-should we set up an off-Jolt Forum?

((OOC: At this time, I don't see the point. Perhaps when we get larger, then yes. But an OOC discussion thread should suffice for now.))

OOC: The ammount listed (200,000) are only tocrowkian soldiers or the sum of soldiers from the UCN present? (Because for smaller nations 200,000 tocrowkian soldiers added to more and more troops from other countries could be excessive, and in that case I propose to make proportional the ammount of troops sent to the nations with their size..)

OOC PS: Truly awesome :D

((OOC: At this time, I don't see the point. Perhaps when we get larger, then yes. But an OOC discussion thread should suffice for now.))

OOC: I agree. On off-site forum wouldn't get that much use anyway.

OOC: The ammount listed (200,000) are only tocrowkian soldiers or the sum of soldiers from the UCN present? (Because for smaller nations 200,000 tocrowkian soldiers added to more and more troops from other countries could be excessive, and in that case I propose to make proportional the ammount of troops sent to the nations with their size..)

OOC PS: Truly awesome :D

((OOC: The sum of soldiers from the UCN present.))

((OOC: The sum of soldiers from the UCN present.))

OOC (again) : OK, sounds fair.

To: Union of Communist Nations
From: The State Department of Avisron

At this time The Socialist State of Avisron is a peaceful nation, and the prevailing opinion within our Senate is that placing such a large force within our borders would very possibly pull us into an unwanted war. We're sorry, but it appears that during peacetime the prospect of placing more than 10,000 troops within our borders would be unwanted.

The United Socialist States of Freeweb requests to join this alliance! For too long we have searched for something like this!

(Truly)

The People's Republic of Liberated New Ireland revokes any allegience to the GASN, and gladly joins the UCN.

((Wow, ass. =P))

((Wow, ass. =P))

OOC: :P

Official Message from the Message Sending Division of the Sub-Ministry for Dealing with Bloody Commies, Nazis, Dictators, and similar Undesirables, under jurisdiction of the Czardaian Foreign Ministry. What? You expected a nation where the government is made up of its entire citizenry to have a nice, simple system whereby it is managed?

Meh. More commies banding together. We've seen it before, in the ASDU and elsewhere... Naught ever came of it. Well, don't bother us and we won't bother you.

Oh, and publicly stating, we don't endorse collectivism in any of its forms, but I guess you guys knew that already.

~ Samuus Ilorin, Minister of Writing Messages Like This One

Yeah, 200,000 Soldiers is a bit excessive, hey, Tocrowkia, lets tone it down to 15,000-10,000 as a Quick Reacting Force.

Official Message from the Message Sending Division of the Sub-Ministry for Dealing with Bloody Commies, Nazis, Dictators, and similar Undesirables, under jurisdiction of the Czardaian Foreign Ministry. What? You expected a nation where the government is made up of its entire citizenry to have a nice, simple system whereby it is managed?

Meh. More commies banding together. We've seen it before, in the ASDU and elsewhere... Naught ever came of it. Well, don't bother us and we won't bother you.

Oh, and publicly stating, we don't endorse collectivism in any of its forms, but I guess you guys knew that already.

~ Samuus Ilorin, Minister of Writing Messages Like This One

OOC: I suggest we bother this guy just for annoying me and trolling, and doing it IC, no less...

OOC: I suggest we bother this guy just for annoying me and trolling, and doing it IC, no less...

ooc
Ummm... what? Trolling? That's the way my government is IC, dude. I don't mean any of that personally. It's an internet game... why does everyone get so worked up and serious over it?
/ooc

ooc
Ummm... what? Trolling? That's the way my government is IC, dude. I don't mean any of that personally. It's an internet game... why does everyone get so worked up and serious over it?
/ooc


OOC: lol, "worked up", I'm not the one who's wasting making up BS 'communiques' that essentially say "don't RP with me". I mean, why waste your time? We weren't going to in the first place.

OOC: lol, "worked up", I'm not the one who's wasting making up BS 'communiques' that essentially say "don't RP with me". I mean, why waste your time? We weren't going to in the first place.

ooc
Aww, now you've made me all sad-like, I think I'll go sit in the corner and cry because no-one wants to play with me. :(

I like writing communiques and I try to put some effort into my posts in general. Well, most of my posts. So don't insult them. Or I'll report you for tr... nah, I have a thicker skin than that, and it'll only reflect poorly on me in the end.
/ooc

The Socialist Republic of Jaredcohenia would gladly join this alliance.

~Premier Cohen

BUMPo.

OOC: LNI, Czardas's right you know. He can IC pretty much anything he wants, even a "dont RP with us" petition.

((OOC: k, 10,000 it is.))

The Socialist Republic of Jaredcohenia would gladly join this alliance.

~Premier Cohen

And we are honoured to have you.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Comrades,

You are all too correct. For too long have the Facists and Corporatists run rampant over the world, while the fire of the International Revolution has flickered and waned. No more we say! We must stand together and beat back the hordes of darkness.

Although we cannot commit yet, we are interested in signing on at a future date.

[signed]
President Alexei Lorenov

[OOC: Here's a suggestion as well for the UCN Toc - why not pull a UWP policy and have a role-play test to see whether or not they qualify?]

Across the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert, Local Senates and Soviets have put the UCN on their agenda... and almost uniformly reached negative conclusions.

Many such councils have drafted letters to comrades abroad, typically warning against the so-far dictatorial position of the founders, and more importantly the apparent lack of distinction between revolutionary citizens and parties, the latter of which is a deadly anti-communist force. For all we know, this may be another Bolshevist plot against the emancipation of the masses, an idea that seems all the more likely given the terms of the union and the deployment of apparently army-oriented forces throughout the membership.

It is likely that the Soviets shall continue to closely follow the development and activities of this organisation, which, at the moment, looks like a potentially grave threat to revolutionary progress.

OOC: Are you all just going to ignore my comment. I think it would make for some fun but I guess not.

The WSP'ian Delegate stands up

"I ask that Jaredcohenia is put in a standby-list list and not fully accepted into the Alliance, at least until he takes his troops out of TWSP"

OOC: He is supporting the CA Invasion!

The WSP'ian Delegate stands up

"I ask that Jaredcohenia is put in a standby-list list and not fully accepted into the Alliance, at least until he takes his troops out of TWSP"

OOC: He is supporting the CA Invasion!

"This man is lying! We never would do such a thing against our ally, the World Soviet Party!"

OOC: The entire deployment post was in SIC

Chellis is defidentally... interested in this alliance. We would like to join, however, we also don't want to start putting a large investment into this alliance until we see the direction it is headed in. We do ask to be admitted, however.

TO: Union of Communist Nations

The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs would like to apply to this alliance. Since yesterday I'm the new Head of State, and I'm seriously convinced that this is the right way to go. If our application will be confirmed, we will donate $1 trillion to the Emergency Funds within 6 months.

We're really looking forward to be a part of this alliance!

Prime Minister
Werner Moltov
The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

Maraque will donate $1.7 trillion to the emergency fund.

ICCD strongly agrees that oppressive theocracies, fascist regimes and maniacal Corporate Empires that oppress, murder, and invade without reason and causing suffering needs to be brought to reasonable judgement.


We must free the populace!
We must enable the populace!
We must support the populace!
LET US RISE UP, AND SEE THE HEAVENS FOR ALL, AND BRING OUR VISIONS OF THAT MOST HOLY WITH US TO THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY MAY BE INSPIRED FOR ALL THEIR LIVES TO THAT WONDER !!

ICCD is a state of honour, a brave state, that supports freedom and a fundamental form of democracy in many ways.

Proletariat see the vision, be inspired, dream no longer awake and create our dreams!

ICCD among many things adapts and accepts strong communist principle among other socioeconomic systems within the sociocultural mentality and in strong forms within the government, although not wholey in large part some Dian trends towards communism are:

-Strong Encouragement and advantages to barter, instead of use of hard state currencies (Marxism)

-A quoata credit system that provides for the minimun of social welfare for the whole of the state, while rewarding "the producers" directly with credits for their contrabutions to the quota.

-universal social provision of basic needs, housing, food, clothing, basic health and dental, and other medical related needs

- a peoples assembly with fully equal votes with seats in the senate so that the people can speak

- a party assembly so that dominant common veiws arise with seats in the senate

- letting the "workers" rise by defualt rather then soley political or popular from a specific party by allowing the heads of government departments who worked their way up to have political authority. as senators in their profolio's such as infrastructure development.

- supporting a defaulting custos and militia to be self forming in many respects so that the militant wing of the government is soley in the hands of those who do it of their own accord for the state.as they the people see it. Upholding their constitution.

- the proletariat are rewarded with free education, free health, free housing, free food, and free basic needs items such as clothing, and free public transit. They also have access to community services such as libraries and community initiatives such as youth traning and fitness activities, as well as community wellness initatives.

- all major business is owned by the state monopolies, although private enterprise is allowed it is only allowed in sectors not deemed "essential", and in those cases where it reaches a point of statkeholding in the government it is incorporated in the government and the state monopolies absorb it's functions (often with hiring of the operators to continue their functions, fully compensated.

- although the state claims ownership of all things, it does allow reasonable use of property for private purposes, and all wealth generated is taxed 20% to be redistrubed from the bottom up, that is the local communities then the provinces then finally at the highest leveels if any remains.

- 20% of the value of any goods is taxed on export from ICCD.direct back for the benifit of the people as a whole rather then single individuals

- iccd has it's own central bank and so sets it's own economic policies, although private banks are allowed they are not allowed to deal in the hard dian currency, but htey can deal in other foreign funds, or the credit form of the dian currency, but ICCD sets it's own credit value based upon workhours and the CLI. The Department of the Tresury handles economic matters of state, however due to the tax system it is the people with the goods that decide what their value is, While the state gives out what people need, reducing the cost of living only based upon shortfalls in quoatas causing need to import etc....


ICCD is dedicated to improving the social welfare, and livelyhood in general of the Dian people.

ICCD has a multistage approach to education, all free, if the requirements are met. From daycare nursery to post doctoral.

BUilding in ICCD is regulated to the extent required to protect a consensus of needs of everyone involved in an area, not just a few individuals.. Anyone can be taken to court or more, if a plan isn't agreed to.

ICCD provibe a public transit system, and state run fuel system (methane) for those without their own supply, at cost. They also produce standard transportation materials for public use, although ICCD may contract work where quoata's and contracts cannot be met with full state cooperation.

- ICCD is open for fair trade. However all goods must be inspected, and sold at valid sales locations, sales in DIan territory will be subject to the same rules as any other person, that being 20% of any gains are taxed (greed tax) while 20% of any exports are taxed (depatriation fee)


- ICCD is mindful that in a time of "real" emergency that ICCD will be willing to assist where as reasonble, in providing the required materials to keep fellow allies in working order for recovery, by administering an aid program, or donating funds if so required.


ICCD is an equal state, although some terms are masculine and femine applicable as to th elatin language
most masculine terms that are used as priority usage are applicable to women in the same roles, for instance pontif and frater apply to females as well as males in the Emergency Serivces branches on occasion.

- ICCD assosiates based upon social qualities not soley upon physical qualities and never for hte negative, but for the positive.

-ICCD's religious spending on traditional religion is "0%" although we have amalgamatedj religion as part of the secretariat, and have our parish houses and ministers as the "social workers etc.." teachers etc. It is not religious in the form of worshiping some other civil dogmatic doctrine, it is a practice of keeping a history and recording occurances of merit (news) and facilitiating social programs such as education, and administering the public. ICCD belives in a fundamental being, that which is, that which is the truth, and it is embodied in the state. It is definately not some seperate civil order. DIans are with the truth, and that is embodied in the state, although we are religiously tolerant and allow all cultures to exisst as long as they do not violate the social trusts, ICCD does not interfere in culture or religion. It does recognize culture and religion as historical trends. It does not reject mysticsism, however worship in all its form is by default occuring, people are free to worship, the state does not force anyone to do so. Rather the concept of religion as a state body is foreign, where as the secretariat represents the words of the people, and the words of the state, following our constitutional beleifs as WHAT IS, and WHAT waa, and popular opinion. We leave it to the legislatures to bring out what the people think is the valid form of action, and we leave it to the secretariat to record and to mediate, and to the judicature to mediate and bring action, and we leave it to the leaders to follow thier beleif in what is right to do. We are one with thr truth and our consitution shall guide us on the right path,. We see the world as it is, not blinded by any stray religious ideas. We see clearly, and the state represents that,, the truth of benifice. We leave it to the people to form their parties as democratic people, the state does not interfere with the peoples right to form in the party assembly or the civil assembly, simply we let them speak for themselves,, the only thing may be that the speaksrs of the bodies are appointed by the state BUT the actual speakers are members. BY speaker I mean the people mediating the proceedings, not the people AT the proceedings..
THe secretariat represents valid ideas, it dos not attempt to enforce some non stat e religion on the public for the benifit of political parties. The secretariat exists to assist civil society, not political society. The secretariat as a body doesn't have a political agenda, it has a functionary role of helping fullfill it's role in providing valid state information. People have the right to decide what information is valid for themselves,. The state provides the best information it knows how to with the most skilled individuals in cooperation with the state. Media is free to say what they would like, the state media outlets arn't the only ones, as people have the right to pubish and broadcast what they would like. Even the secretariat takes submission requests.

ICCD strongly recognizes equality on the basis of capcity, not on idea such as race or gender.

ICCD fully supports a free press, it beleives supporting a press so much that it has it's own media sources to give their opinion and encourage others to do the same. WIthout sensoring the airwaves except securing proper adherances to broadcast issues such as continuance of core stations, and disruptive scrambling of the airwaves. that is encouraging seperate channel bandwidth broadcasts rather than bandhogging or override.


ICCD welcomes military bases on the terms that
1. All materials are inspected entering Dian Territory
2. Dian Health and Safety guidlines are followed
3. All war equipment keeps to proscribed flight and movement paths
4. ICCD has th eright to expell individuals on valid reason, or refuse entry of dangerous materials
5. The fees for required inspections and/or inspection staff are paid by the individual with th ebase on dian territory.

ICCD is willing to supply war materials at net profit rebate of 30% on all materials sold to alliance members. This means that if ICCD were to see a 30 million profit on a 500 million materials sale, 9 million would be returned to the purchaser.

ICCD is willing to assist in strategic antinuclear technology pooling. To serve the best interests when an nuclear event is evolving.

ICCD will warm up it's contribution to the Military funds, and open up by offering surplus military equipment such as IAR mk I multirole combat rifes



ALL in all ICCD is ready to support the alliance, and deal with the members to provide collective security and cooperative development, free of inequalities and for the benifit of all the people involved.

"This man is lying! We never would do such a thing against our ally, the World Soviet Party!"

OOC: The entire deployment post was in SIC

The WSP'ian Delegate twitched.
-"C'mon, you left the GASN with the message that you'd attack anyone who tried to harm Zukkaria in any way, hell, you said you'd support him and the CA if you had to, its not foolish to assume you'd been providing them with weapons and troops!"

BUMPo.

OOC: LNI, Czardas's right you know. He can IC pretty much anything he wants, even a "dont RP with us" petition.

OOC: I know that. It's just f*cking annoying.

Jaredcohenia will donate 1.25 trillion dollars to the emergency fund.

To: Union of Communist Nations
From: The State Department of Avisron

We would like to be informed as to whether or not out application has been terminated on the grounds that we do not remotely agree to the previously stated troop deployment plan.

Snip

OOC: We downgraded the Number to 10,000'ish, only if you want though, we wont force you to accept them, you can stay in the Alliance and not have those troops.

TO-The Union of Communist Nations

Long have we wish for a group to manifest its self in our life.We had aspired to rise similarly,yet due to our short life in this world,our nation couldn't pull it off.Yet there is a group that hopes to bring Justice and Hope to the land,and I ask to join with you.With all of us working together,we will free this world from the ails of totalitarians,corrupt leaders and Greedy billionares that oppress us.With that I wish to join.As a Wise man said,"We have not but our chains to lose.We have the World to win!"

Supreme Soviet Unifyed Jason Mikoyan,Elected Leader of the Union of Usean Socalist States.

OOC: I just want to know if my application to the UCN is accepted, or if I'm waiting for Tocrowkia to accept or deny it?

OOC: I just want to know if my application to the UCN is accepted, or if I'm waiting for Tocrowkia to accept or deny it?

We have to wait for Tocrowkia to edit his posts and add you all.

Everybody who applied is accepted.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

((OOC: Mind telling me who signed up since the last update? Too tired to look through the thread my self.))

OOC: We downgraded the Number to 10,000'ish, only if you want though, we wont force you to accept them, you can stay in the Alliance and not have those troops.

[OOC: Avisron would choose not to have those troops at all.]

[OOC: Avisron would choose not to have those troops at all.]

OOC: Sure, no problem.

((OOC: List updated. Let me know if I missed anyone or made a mistake.))

((OOC: List updated. Let me know if I missed anyone or made a mistake.))

You forgot Avisron.

Everybody who applied is accepted.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-
We thank you for accepting us into this powerful alliance.

Werner Moltov, Prime Minister
The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

((OOC: Added.))

Intracircumcordei applied "The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei"

it may sound all imperialist and theocratic.. but it utilizes a very indepth system of government that takes aspects from many government styles. It is very socialist, but allows private life, but only to the extent of private enterprise, not to the extent of social controls.

ICCD FACTBOOK,still being compiled (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501324)

It is essentially a voluntary communist system; however, the quota system and state monopolies of "core production" are the two largest communist factors. Also the state education system is the other "big factor" in being communistic. Also the state funds the secret service "sorta like the NKVD or KGB only higher up to start private businesses.

So, who'll send Inspectors to Icovir?

((OOC: Updated.))

OOC: In case someone has missed this:
Victoshvok Union (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501952) - he has declared war at TWSP and Montegrande.

OOC: In case someone has missed this:
Victoshvok Union (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501952) - he has declared war at TWSP and Montegrande.

OOC: Son of a bitch! Should I mobilise, or are we trying to avoid a dogpile?

OOC: Son of a bitch! Should I mobilise, or are we trying to avoid a dogpile?

No, please feel free to mobilise.

No, please feel free to mobilise.

Alright.

EDIT: Wait, did it just get resolved?

Alright.

EDIT: Wait, did it just get resolved?

Yes, it did, twas' easy =p

Yes, it did, twas' easy =p

Bueno. Now, nuke him.

Do you want the Red Guard to mobilize? (Red Guard = My Army)

Do you want the Red Guard to mobilize? (Red Guard = My Army)

No, the threat was neutralized.


You gonna join my Rebel Squadron RP or not? You said you were, man...

ICCD is willing to accept soilders and open ports of friendship, as long as the conditions such as facilitation of inspection and adherance to preauthorized movement zones.

There are some specific areas that are "extra" open to other nations' bases.
We can accept 200,000 soilders distributed in specific areas, as long as we can insure a stable deployment, that is manageble, in time of crisis. This requires cooperation and joint planning on the purpose of the soilders and there intended means of operation with ICCD.

((OOC: Bump.))

Icovir didn´t declare war on me, in fact he only declared war to TWSP and before menaced Tocrowkia. However, not only the threat is neutralised, but also the fascist enemy is turning to something similar to Constitutional democracy. I will ask him in his next post to make a constitution and with a democratic system consolidated there, it will be difficult for him to threat us again (apart he never had the forces to defeat us) and treating him well will prevent any treacherous attitude, or so I guess...

((OOC: Just don't be too generous to him.))

OOC: He accepted my troops in his capital, I ought to be generous. Also, it is better to solve the problem with the least bullets shot, specially with the CA and Kraven round there, and the UCN just emerging... Later we can crush bones. Another concern is that a thankful defeated enemy is a potential ally.

And he was just starting posting, he didn´t know how awesome we are. Let this one pass.

((OOC: Very well then. So what's next on the agenda?))

I'll stand with Montegrande here, let us not push our luck.

OOC: I already agreed.

Hey! I'm under review for a seat in the NS General Parliment, for the United Democratic Communist Party! :D :cool:

Hey! I'm under review for a seat in the NS General Parliment, for the United Democratic Communist Party! :D :cool:

OOC: Hey, wanderjar, take your turn in AWBW..

and go on Gabbly.

El Bumpo.

Maybe we should welcome some of the nations ejected by the GASN into our great Communist Alliance?

IC :

The Empire of Mationbuds would like to join this Grand Alliance .

Chellis is outright against mationbuds joining, and will leave if it is accepted.

Chellis is outright against mationbuds joining, and will leave if it is accepted.

We are only answering the call for ejected GASN members to join .

We are only answering the call for ejected GASN members to join .

We stand by our claim.

We stand by our claim.

I support Mationbuds joining. He is a close Ally of mine.

I dont think we should let Mationbuds in, he's been giving Nuclear and Conventional Weaponry to Clandonia Prime, even after he showed he wasnt responsible enough, and, encouraging conflict between said country and Ackistan.

Plus, is he even a communist?

Mationbuds has been threatening me and my ally with war, including nuclear weaponry. Both warmongering and quite stupid, seeing how quickly he would be crushed. He has been irresponsible with weapons of mass destruction, and spends the vast majority of his nations money on the military, leaving little room for growth, etc. He would be a stain on this alliance, and anyone still in the alliance after he joined.

OOC: Doesn't help that he is a pretty bad godmodder, but I have IC reasons as well.

The WSP'ian delegate stands up

-"We'll support our Chellis'ian (OOC: That term okay?) in this decision, we are against Mationbuds joining"-

OOC: I'm also against Mationbuds joining. His RP'ing lacks some quality, IMO.

The Nationalist Communist State of Morgiland would like to apply for admittance to the Union of Communist Nations.

IC :

The Empire of Mationbuds would like to join this Grand Alliance .

So they have spoken, so it is done. Mationbuds is not granted membership. What have you to say of Morgiland, fellow members?

So they have spoken, so it is done. Mationbuds is not granted membership. What have you to say of Morgiland, fellow members?

Well, he's not been around very long. Give the newbie a shot.

Well, he's not been around very long. Give the newbie a shot.

Seconded.

The WSP'ian delegate stands up

-"We'll support our Chellis'ian (OOC: That term okay?) in this decision, we are against Mationbuds joining"-

OOC: Chellian. Everyone thinks the way you posted is right initially, so its all good.

IC: We have no issue with morgiland, and support its entry, assuming no new developments occur.

although ICCD chooses to abstain from a vote either accepting or rejecting;

Perhaps a comprimise can be worked out.

For instance if they decide to drop support of the non UCN ally they have, and any other conditions to satisfy those who have reasons for rejection of the entry into the alliance; then entry would be acceptable. Or perhaps observer status an unofficial membership until conditions are less hostile to the entreaty. In that respect if an issue evolves and they choose to support the UCN then perhaps it would be prudent to allow full membership.

I dont think we should let Mationbuds in, he's been giving Nuclear and Conventional Weaponry to Clandonia Prime, even after he showed he wasnt responsible enough, and, encouraging conflict between said country and Ackistan.

Plus, is he even a communist?

The Empire hereby withdraws its application to such an alliance . We gave weaponary to him to defend himself against the CA and Blainsville .

I´m for Morgiland joining...

Also, what happens with the war in the TWSP front? Are more troops needed ?(because I have a good army if it´s necessary...)

The Nationalist Communist State of Morgiland would like to apply for admittance to the Union of Communist Nations.
I think we should accept Morgiland as a member of the UCN.

Walter Moltov, Prime Minister
The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

If there are any active UCN wars that require additional assistance, by all means tg or post them up, as ICCD is relatively domicile currently.

Official Correspondence, From the Desk of Mastir Genrael Von Stubben

Morgiland is delighted at this admittance and the official recognition of it's Communist brethren. We ask all nations to establish military bases in any of our Northern Fiefdoms. Naval presence will also be accepted in the southern Fjords.

Embassies will also be welcome in Vidava, the Morgian Capital city. If there is anything else that you desire please don't be afraid to contact the Chancellor directly.

Your must humble servant,

Mastir Genrael E. Von Stubben
Adviser of External Affairs
For the Glory of the People, State, and the Iron-fist of Morgiland

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11795143']If there are any active UCN wars that require additional assistance, by all means tg or post them up, as ICCD is relatively domicile currently.

Not so far.

His Majesty, Victor I: Emperor of the Imperial Republic of Icovir

Icovir asks that the UCN will forget all past hositilities between it and Icovir.

Icovir recognizes that the UCN is a powerful union and does not wish that another war will be proclaimed against it and Icovir, or any of Icovir's allies.

Icovir asks that the UCN become an ally of Icovir. All we ask of you is that you allow us to trade between each other and that no war shall be proclaimed.

If it is discovered that the UCN has launched a nuclear weapon or any type of attack against Icovir, war will be proclaimed immediatly. If it is found out that there was a bombing at any spot in Icovir caused by any member of the UCN, a third-party from 5 of the UCN countries and from Icovir will investigate.

may I join the UCN?

Sorry have to do this xD

COMMIES EVERYWHERE!! AHH!

Thats why I love you TPF lol :D


And allow Galmiria in. He's a protectorate state of mine.

((OOC: That is spam, The PeoplesFreedom. Delete it, or I will report you to the mods.))

We see no reason not to admit Galmiria and accept Icovri's offer. What of you, Komrade-nations? Do you have anything to say?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Thats why I love you TPF lol :D


And allow Galmiria in. He's a protectorate state of mine.
* Cough* GAY COMMIE *cough*

But I Love you too, in a manly way...

Sorry have to do this xD

COMMIES EVERYWHERE!! AHH!

And we're all watching
YOU!!!

>_>

((OOC: That is spam, The PeoplesFreedom. Delete it, or I will report you to the mods.))

We see no reason not to admit Galmiria and accept Icovri's offer. What of you, Komrade-nations? Do you have anything to say?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Really? It's just a funny joke. But.. as you wish.

Thank you for letting me join.:)

((OOC: That is spam, The PeoplesFreedom. Delete it, or I will report you to the mods.))

We see no reason not to admit Galmiria and accept Icovri's offer. What of you, Komrade-nations? Do you have anything to say?

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

OOC: Chill Tocrowkia :)

He's mostly messing with me.

IC:

I feel that admitting Galmiria is a tribute to the Marxist dream, whilest if we shunned him, it would be a disservice!

His Majesty, Victor I: Emperor of the Imperial Republic of Icovir

Icovir asks that the UCN will forget all past hositilities between it and Icovir.

Icovir recognizes that the UCN is a powerful union and does not wish that another war will be proclaimed against it and Icovir, or any of Icovir's allies.

Icovir asks that the UCN become an ally of Icovir. All we ask of you is that you allow us to trade between each other and that no war shall be proclaimed.

If it is discovered that the UCN has launched a nuclear weapon or any type of attack against Icovir, war will be proclaimed immediatly. If it is found out that there was a bombing at any spot in Icovir caused by any member of the UCN, a third-party from 5 of the UCN countries and from Icovir will investigate.

I say we accept.

@ Icovir

Why would we nuke you? You havent used Nukes against us, I dotn have nukes, and most of us are reluctant to use them.

Xavier Manuel, President of the Imperial Republic of Icovir

Icovir is grateful that the UCN has accepted us as allies.

Icovir, as per our agreement, will send over some of it's natural resources, specifically Iron Ore as of now.

Icovir will send it's resources to Tocrowkia, and will rely on Towcrowkia to evenly distribute them to the UCN members that Towcrowkia chooses to distribute them too.

We agree to let Galmiria be a part of this alliance. We also thinks it's a good idea to trade with Icovir.

Welcome Galmiria!

Walter Moltov, Prime Minister
The Socialist Kingdom of Kopparbergs

The Chancellor agrees to all of the above. We welcome Galmiria as a Communist ally.

Mastir Genrael E. Von Stubben
External Affairs Adviser

The Socialist Republic of Montegrande is in favor of Galmiria becoming a member state, and also in trading with Icovir, a nation in which the fascism has been ended

OOC: We´re becoming powerful, grrrrrrrrrrrrroaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

The Socialist Republic of Montegrande is in favor of Galmiria becoming a member state, and also in trading with Icovir, a nation in which the fascism has been ended

OOC: We´re becoming powerful, grrrrrrrrrrrrroaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

OOC: We are? I didn't feel any change in my power ;)

ICCD is transfering 100 billion / year into an account specifically for emergency use of the UCN.

It's peak ammount will be held at 1 Trillion + whatever excess fund are held. ICCD after the 10 year liquidation will start to spend the surplus over the 1 trillion $ mark, into dian purposes that relate to UCN involvement. Such as disaster releif supplies and merchant marine assigned to UCN members, etc..

the fund will be stored in a variety of bank accounts and consolidated as an investment profolio as well.

Any request for assistance can be sent to the Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei, either emergency, or non emergency requests such as business investment, arms and goods loaning or sale etc..

ICCD also offers to have dian technologies estalished in UCN members territories on request on an at cost basis.

ICCD also introduces 10, 000 direct schooling scholoarships for any dian post secondary education center, for individuals from a UCN member area, and they be made accessable on a first come first serve basis to any qualified individuals (those meeting entery requirements).

ICCD would also like to host a UCN games, as well our HRD division is suggesting a number of competitive UCN sports leuges as applicable. Just an idea.

o.o. l.o.d. iccd.

Chellis encourages the idea of alliance sports. Our main sport in the country is airsoft, though starcraft is a somewhat close second place.

ooc: ^^^ harhahar :)



p.s. the starcraft was humour (cause it is a videogame) airsoft was a good idea

how about

combat tournement (archery, airsoft/paintball, martial arts, fensing, gladiator combat, etc..)
competitive team sports ( soccer/rugby, baseball, hockey)
animals showmanship (horse racing, other animals)
seamanship (yatching, skulls, wilderness canoeing, parasail)
physical capacity (running, valuting, jumping)
technology/mental sport (sims, programming, chess, math and trivia etc..)
airsport (paradrop & flight)

ICCD will pay for the medals etc.. for the sports, as well as supply adequette facilities for the sports, for the first games, and perhaps other hosts can host subsequent games or ICCD can be the offical ongoing host of the UCN games.

We recommend the three greatest sports known to man:

Hockey, mixed martial arts, and soccer.

EDIT:
Airsoft and Starcraft would also be pretty cool.

Our national sports include:

Baseball
Football(Soccer)
Archery
Horse Racing
Various Gladiator-type Games.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

[OOC: For the record, Avisrons biggest sports are Avisronite Gridball [sort of like football, only with a ball sort of made like a tennis ball] and AvCAR, an emerging motorsports division. I've been thinking of an RP where AvCAR looks to spread to tracks in various countries. Would members of the UCN be willing? Avisron would probably trust those nations more.]

Due to our high population of disabled individuals, one of our most popular (and one of our national sports) is wheelchair track racing, and wheelchair tennis.

Then we also have conventional football (soccer), and golf.

As a south american nation Montegrande is, the most popular sport is football. Also, another popular sports are tennis, water polo, basketball and chess.

How do I join.

I call all my Comrades in this great Alliance to deny this... guy's request.

As he has proved he is rather n00bish (check his thread...).

I call all my Comrades in this great Alliance to deny this... guy's request.

As he has proved he is rather n00bish (check his thread...).

I saw it, and I agree with you.

I saw it, and I agree with you.

Thirded.

National Sports:

Rugby
Football (soccer)
Ice Hockey

Diplomatic Communique
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The United Kingdom, upon Directive 3240, imposes a strict export/import embargo on Questarian and Aralonian companies, private or public, to export/import to and from any nation belonging to the Union of Communist Nations; furthermore, the UK extends full diplomatic pressure, as a leading member and co founder, on the Sovereign League, that a full economic embargo be placed from SL members on the UCN, following our lead - and lastly, suggests that nations in the Questarian Commonwealth follow the UK's example, especially those also in the Sovereign League and put pressure on their fellow nations to cease trading with member nations of the UCN.

In addition, the United Kindom, under Directive 2200 will continue its policy of actively undermining Communist regimes where possible and assisting the growth of Liberal Capitalist Democracy throughout the world. As of 22:00 hours tommorow, all embassies or consulates from UCN nations in the United Kingdom will be expelled and if their diplomatic staff are still residing in the nation, will be arrested and put on trial for espionage.


Secret IC

Following the embargo and cutting of diplomatic ties, the UK placed the UCN on its Priority Threat list - essentially meaning that the intelligence services were to begin compiling information on nations via espionage, satellite imagery, and general publically-available knoweledge, as well as military contracts.

The Marxist Utopia of Brozvakia wishes to join the Union.

Pfft... Then you better leave GASN too, as Im a member.

Just for FYI, this is a democracy, and I dont think I have anything worth spying.

Diplomatic Communique
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The United Kingdom, upon Directive 3240, imposes a strict export/import embargo on Questarian and Aralonian companies, private or public, to export/import to and from any nation belonging to the Union of Communist Nations; furthermore, the UK extends full diplomatic pressure, as a leading member and co founder, on the Sovereign League, that a full economic embargo be placed from SL members on the UCN, following our lead - and lastly, suggests that nations in the Questarian Commonwealth follow the UK's example, especially those also in the Sovereign League and put pressure on their fellow nations to cease trading with member nations of the UCN.

In addition, the United Kindom, under Directive 2200 will continue its policy of actively undermining Communist regimes where possible and assisting the growth of Liberal Capitalist Democracy throughout the world. As of 22:00 hours tommorow, all embassies or consulates from UCN nations in the United Kingdom will be expelled and if their diplomatic staff are still residing in the nation, will be arrested and put on trial for espionage.


If I was a member of the UCN, I would see this as an act of war...

NOTE: I am NOT a member of the UCN.

Pfft... Then you better leave GASN too, as Im a member.

Just for FYI, this is a democracy, and I dont think I have anything worth spying.

How amusing. You know the OP is effectively calling you a coward right?

If I was a member of the UCN, I would see this as an act of war...

Since when are embargos an act of war?

The Marxist Utopia of Brozvakia wishes to join the Union.

I'm not going to say no, but I'd like to wait a week and see some more of your RPing.

Since when are embargos an act of war?

Let's use an RL example: Since when were sanctions an act of war? Sanctions and embargoing basically are the same thing (except sanctions are not trading the materials needed for something dangerous, while embargoes are not trading period).

North Korea used this excuse to become hostile against the world, who says you can't use embargoes as an excuse to go hostile?

Whats an OP?

Let's use an RL example: Since when were sanctions an act of war? Sanctions and embargoing basically are the same thing (except sanctions are not trading the materials needed for something dangerous, while embargoes are not trading period).

North Korea used this excuse to become hostile against the world, who says you can't use embargoes as an excuse to go hostile?

*Shrug* if you want to believe I'm going hostile, that's your choice.

Whats an OP?

Opening post.

The Commonwealth of Northford

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Official Government Statement


In todays world, there are friends, there are trading partners, and their are allies. There comes a point in every countries life when it must weight up its pragmatic attitude to foreign policy, and compare it to adhereing to the ideological path which it follows.

As it stands, the Commonwealth of Northford has, thus far, followed an open route of foreign policy, enjoying full GASN membership, regardless of who the other members may be.

Despite the fact this will not change, the Government urges all companies operating within Northford to strongly consider the ethical and political reprocussions of trading in other countries, weighing up the importance of the profit margin with the risk of supporting unfriendly and undemocratic countries.

To that end, we wish for Northfordian Companies to, henceforth, cease making unnessasary trade with dangerous governments, which may pose a threat to our security. Unless a trading partner is an ally, through the GASN, or through a bilateral treaty, the Commonwealth very strongly urges business to consider against trading with non-democratic governments.

In order for the Commonwealth to help encourage this level of Commonsense, we hereby offer a Bounty Tax to those countries operating within countries not judged to be democratic, or prior allies.

As it stands, the list of these countries include:

* Tocrowkia(Founder)
* Maraque
* Montegrande
* H-Town Tejas
* Jaredcohenia
* Usea-Jason
* Kopparbergs
* Chellis
* Avisron
* The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei
* Morgiland
* Galmiria

Signed,

Pete Francis,

Northfordian Chairmen of the Board for Trade

The Commonwealth of Northford

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Official Government Statement


In todays world, there are friends, there are trading partners, and their are allies. There comes a point in every countries life when it must weight up its pragmatic attitude to foreign policy, and compare it to adhereing to the ideological path which it follows.

As it stands, the Commonwealth of Northford has, thus far, followed an open route of foreign policy, enjoying full GASN membership, regardless of who the other members may be.

Despite the fact this will not change, the Government urges all companies operating within Northford to strongly consider the ethical and political reprocussions of trading in other countries, weighing up the importance of the profit margin with the risk of supporting unfriendly and undemocratic countries.

To that end, we wish for Northfordian Companies to, henceforth, cease making unnessasary trade with dangerous governments, which may pose a threat to our security. Unless a trading partner is an ally, through the GASN, or through a bilateral treaty, the Commonwealth very strongly urges business to consider against trading with non-democratic governments.

In order for the Commonwealth to help encourage this level of Commonsense, we hereby offer a Bounty Tax to those countries operating within countries not judged to be democratic, or prior allies.

As it stands, the list of these countries include:

* Tocrowkia(Founder)
* Maraque
* Montegrande
* H-Town Tejas
* Jaredcohenia
* Usea-Jason
* Kopparbergs
* Chellis
* Avisron
* The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei
* Morgiland
* Galmiria

Signed,

Pete Francis,

Northfordian Chairmen of the Board for Trade


And we wish to know why all these nations are considered non-democratic? Are you assuming communism is the opposite of democracy?

The Secular Empire of Maraque holds democratic elections every single year.

Signed,
Ministeress of State, Loran Hiles

OOCly? lol... Course I'm aware of that.... this is just a little bit of IC propaganda..

OOC: About Eternal Revolucion, agreed.

IC: The assumptions made by Questers and Northford that the members of the UCN are all non democratic countries are certainly hilarious. The Socialist Republic combines representative democracy (which alone is a weapon of the burgeoise sectors to retain power) with councils, in which direct democracy is practiced and the awareness of the political process is excellent, so the only thing left to say is that the antidemocratic and intollerant are the nations that are taking aggresive resolutions against us. However, we have no political relations nor trade agreements neither with Questers nor Northford, so that doesn´t affect us. Hoping that the impasse is solved,

Manuel Salvatierra, Foreign Affairs Minister, Socialist Republic of Montegrande.

The Member State of Liberated New Ireland would like to remind the honourable nations of Northford and Questers of several points of the UCN charter:

There must stand an alliance of honorable and brave nations that boast the ideals of freedom and democracy.

-Any Nations with any sort of state-endorsed system of racism, sexism, or religious intolerance shall not be allowed to join UCN.

-Added to the above, all UCN member-states recognized that humans of every race, gender, and sexuality are all equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities within their nations.
-All Nations must have, to some extent, freedom of the press.

Remember, these are not just words, they are ideals that each member of the UCN strives towards (and, if they don't, they face ejection).

Please, reconsider your thoughts on the UCN,

Signed,
Ciaran Lynch,
Commisar of Foreign Affiars,
People's Republic of Liberated New Ireland

Diplomatic Communique
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While we understand that the UCN puts forth such ideals, we also understand that there are many ideals and causes the UCN supports that are hostile to ourselves.

Proletariat, arise! Eviscerate the Bourgeoisie!

We see this as a threat against the United Kingdom's established class system based from libertarian and conservative ideals.

-To Qualify, your nation, must of course, adhere to Communism in one of it's forms

Again, we are directly opposed to Communism as an economic form, especially collectivism.

Furthermore, we find the general ideal of Communism disgusting, and in fact dangerous to our nation as a whole. While we understand nations strive towards social equality, we also understand that if they follow the socially egalitarian rules set down by the UCN charter, they must also be supportive of Communism, which may we remind the UCN, states that the spread of Communism must be accomplished. In addition, as a free market capitalist nation, we find the Tocrowkian message of 'obliterat[ing] the forces of evil' a direct threat to our security.

We also ask, as the UK fits neatly into the UCN's idea of evil, will the UCN challenge the United Kingdom's sovereignty, or will it only act when it is its own interests? Surely, if the UCN is not a 'coward alliance' as it claims GASN to be, it would attempt to overthrow monarchies and free capitalist nations such as Praetonia, Questers, or tyrannical nations like Automagfreek or Kraven?

We thank Liberated New Ireland for their attempts in trying to win us over, but the embargo - or in the case of GASN members, 100% internal tax on exporting/importing - on the UCN stays, although we will give diplomatic personnel a further 24 hours to leave the country.

We see this as a threat against the United Kingdom's established class system based from libertarian and conservative ideals.
OOC: Yeah... I had to put my head down for a second when I read "eviscerate the Bourgeoisie". It's not exactly good public relations...
IC:
I'm pretty sure that's just a tactless saying. Most of us don't eviscerate the Bourgeoisie, we mostly just stop them from oppressing the masses.


'obliterat[ing] the forces of evil' a direct threat to our security.
...you actually consider yourself a force of evil?

Surely, if the UCN is not a 'coward alliance' as it claims GASN to be, it would attempt to overthrow monarchies and free capitalist nations such as Praetonia, Questers, or tyrannical nations like Automagfreek or Kraven?
You talk like the overthrow of AMF and Father would be a bad thing...
And I'm sure there's no planbook for the overthrow of Questers.
(OOC: At least, not yet. ;))

We thank Liberated New Ireland for their attempts in trying to win us over, but the embargo - or in the case of GASN members, 100% internal tax on exporting/importing - on the UCN stays, although we will give diplomatic personnel a further 24 hours to leave the country.
Very well, but I have a quick question: Which of our nations had trade relations with you before, and how many of them weren't communist before joining the UCN?

Signed,
Ciaran Lynch

[OOC: Haha, don't worry, its the kind of terminology I used with Hogsweat, my commie nation =p]

Diplomatic Communique
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As we believe that oppression and evil are relative to persona beliefs, we find Communism oppressive and we imagine that Communist nations find ourselves oppressive and evil too - the UK's policies, such as colonialism, peerages, and support of monarchies would openly be regarded as evil by many Communist nations.

While we agree that AMF and Kraven are a threat to world stability, [OOC: And I'm not.. hah], we were using said nations as an example - would the UCN strive to overthrow all 'oppressive' regimes, or only those it can afford to?

Trade relations have been established with Tocrowkia pre-UCN - and indeed pre-communist era, however, HM Government very rarely monitors levels of import/export unless they are set down by the government or the exchange of national resources - coal and heavy/metals - or military technology. Nor are we capable of seeing into the future, therefore we placed an embargo to stop all trade with the UCN, and HM Government will begin looking at import/export records for UCN nations prior to the UCN and post-embargo.

Official Response:

Oh well, your loss. Just remember, be happy.

[Open Response]

From: The Avisron Department of State

While the Socialist State of Avisron holds the right to ones on opinion very dear, especially for other nations, we'd like to point out the obvious holes in the Northfordian statement. We cannot speak for every nation in the UCN, but we can openly and, through the use of non-biased FACTS, defend ourselves from the slanderish capitalist pig-lies of the Northfordian regime. Our source of our information is very simply the United Nations-provided information for the two opposing nations.

The first obvious problem is the over categorys of the two nations. Northford is designated a 'Capitalist Paradise.' A paradise for exploitation. A paradise for dishonesty. A paradise where lies and corruption determine what class a person belongs to. Very simply, a paradise for a society that has no way to progress into the future and is doomed to remain the same forever, until it eventually collapses under its own corruption.

Next we'll take a look at civil and political freedoms. This is where the hypocracy of the Northfordian regime is most apparent. While using a blanket propaganda statement to declare everyone in the UCN "non-democratic," the U.N. blatantly shows that the Northfordian nation lags FAR behind the Socialist State of Avisron in both categories!

How can a nation which neglects to look at the facts be taken seriously? At what point do we simply stop caring what nations such as Northford think? On this presumption, the Socialist State of Avisron proudly declares its superiority over the hypocritic Northfordian state.

[OOC: You knwo not all people RP according to how they run their nation page, right?]

[OOC: You knwo not all people RP according to how they run their nation page, right?]

[OOC: Yes, I do, but that doesn't mean everyone doesn't. I personally don't know what Northford does. If he doesn't it doesn't really matter. I could change it to an in character research foundation. I don't recognize the U.N. as having any I.C. "force," like with its resolutions, but I do use its rankings and categories as factual information whenever I can. I don't use EVERYTHING on my Nation page. Especially the tax rate, which tends to flop about a dozen points with any economic issue...]

ICCD removes all its economic resources and personnel from GASN members.

Also ICCD raised an additional 80% flatrate export tax on all GASN members goods and a visa of 1000$ on every GASN citizen/day of their stay and requires them to wear tracking tags at all times.

ICCD takes personal insult to being considered non democratic, the Civis Eccelsia and the Gens Eccelsia are to very Democratic foundations of the H.E. of ICCD.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11840515']ICCD removes all its economic resources and personnel from GASN members.

Also ICCD raised a 80% import tax on all GASN members goods and a visa of 1000$ on every GASN citizen/day of their stay and requires them to wear tracking tags at all times.


The Holy Confederacy of New Aeson wishes to know two things. First, why on earth ICCD-Intracircumcordei would think this is a good idea, and second, whether they are aware that several members of the GASN are also members of the UCN.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11840515']ICCD removes all its economic resources and personnel from GASN members.

Also ICCD raised an additional 80% flatrate export tax on all GASN members goods and a visa of 1000$ on every GASN citizen/day of their stay and requires them to wear tracking tags at all times.

ICCD takes personal insult to being considered non democratic, the Civis Eccelsia and the Gens Eccelsia are to very Democratic foundations of the H.E. of ICCD.

Im a GASN member...

Chellis assures Questers that the UCN will not be on an aggressive campaign of any sort to violate other nations national sovereignty, and overthrow the bourgeoise for a communal society.

Most of us feel that capitalism is bringing down the world, but it is not our place to interfere. A nation has the right for self-determination, and we in chellis would be very angry if any UCN nation participated in an invasion of a country with the purpose of "evicerating the proletariat" there.

With this said, we honestly don't care about Northford and Questers capital. We have no state buisness with you, and all of our de-centralized sectors have stopped trade with your nations. So, as long as neither of your countries touches one of our ships, we will have no economic contact with your nations again. If you were to touch our ships... then we would have problems.

Diplomatic Communique
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The United Kingdom would like to remind Avisron that its time would be better spent turning Avisron into a respectable nation, gaining colonies, building up its military, and establishing a class based laissez-faire economic system, rather than messing about with the likes of communists, egalitarians, and other types that live their lives in a fairy world.

Furthermore, we are not assured by the Chellian statement. Unfortunately, the UK holds exactly opposite opinions, that Communism is bringing down the world - however, we try our best to resist the spread of Communism to honest capitalist nations. The UK feels sorry for the people of Communist nations, deprived of their right to a free market.

We also note that ICCD should not escalate fights that it can't win. If our citizens outright refuse to pay this insulting attack on their personal freedoms, then the UK government will support them. We suggest ICCD stands down and rethinks its policies on Questarian - a member of the GASN - citizens, unless you want us to rethink them for you.

Official Diplomatic Communique to the Sovereign Nation of Questers
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Stop pushing it, we get your point, you dont want to trade with us, we wont trade with you. Stop.
We get it, okay? Now go back to your capitalist-hole and stay there.

Bad Questers, bad!

Diplomatic Communique
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The United Kingdom would like to remind Avisron that its time would be better spent turning Avisron into a respectable nation, gaining colonies, building up its military, and establishing a class based laissez-faire economic system, rather than messing about with the likes of communists, egalitarians, and other types that live their lives in a fairy world.

Furthermore, we are not assured by the Chellisian (sp?) statement. Unfortunately, the UK holds exactly opposite opinions, that Communism is bringing down the world - however, we try our best to resist the spread of Communism to honest capitalist nations. The UK feels sorry for the people of Communist nations, deprived of their right to a free market.

We also note that ICCD should not escalate fights that it can't win. If our citizens outright refuse to pay this insulting attack on their personal freedoms, then the UK government will support them. We suggest ICCD stands down and rethinks its policies on Questarian - a member of the GASN - citizens, unless you want us to rethink them for you.

OOC: Chellian, but everyone gets it wrong at first.

IC: Chellis honestly doesn't care about what Questers believes. As long as it isn't violating anybody's national sovereignty, we couldn't give a damn. If this changes, then so does our opinions.

ICCD has the national right to tax whomever it wants in its nation, whatever they want to tax them. Those people are free to leave if they wish, aren't they? We are sure Questers wouldn't make any body moves, being such an 'enlightened' capitalist nation, would they?

Diplomatic Communique
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This is not merely a trade dispute. The United Kingdom stands vehemently against a majority of UCN members and their vile economic practices . Does TWSP think it can hide behind the veil of its allies and insult us? If worse comes to worse and shooting matches begin, may God give mercy on your maritime cargo, because we sure as hell won't.

Chellis is one to talk about freedom of its own people. Evidently your comrade leaders have no conscience as they talk about freedom while their people live oppressed under a communist society.

Diplomatic Communique
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This is not merely a trade dispute. The United Kingdom stands vehemently against a majority of UCN members and their vile economic practices . Does TWSP think it can hide behind the veil of its allies and insult us? If worse comes to worse and shooting matches begin, may God give mercy on your maritime cargo, because we sure as hell won't.

Chellis is one to talk about freedom of its own people. Evidently your comrade leaders have no conscience as they talk about freedom while their people live oppressed under a communist society.

And questers insults us back. We don't want anything to do with you and your ilk. If you want a war so bad, start invading, otherwise leave us be.

And we were unaware our people were oppressed. They can work where they please, obtain what they please, go where they please, and do what they please. Our communist paradise allows our people great means for great personal freedom, but Questers knows nothing of chellis and its ways, few do, so we can't really blame them for this.

Official Clandonian Response
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Clandonia is a fully operating free market economy, we have embrased classical liberal economic policy. We fear communism, it would destroy the living beind that is organic society. We like many laisez faire governments around the world fear the rise of socialism and colectivisation.

We therefore are placing an embargo on all UCN countries, with no exceptions regardless of alliances. We like our UKQ capalist friends feel sorry for the opressed people of these socialist dictatorships.

Diplomatic Communique
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This is not merely a trade dispute. The United Kingdom stands vehemently against a majority of UCN members and their vile economic practices . Does TWSP think it can hide behind the veil of its allies and insult us? If worse comes to worse and shooting matches begin, may God give mercy on your maritime cargo, because we sure as hell won't.

Chellis is one to talk about freedom of its own people. Evidently your comrade leaders have no conscience as they talk about freedom while their people live oppressed under a communist society.

Official Diplomatic Communique to the Sovereign Nation of Questers
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Wow, and I here thought your supposedly "good and moral" country had... I dunno, civil rights?

Go figure, looks like I misjudged you, you seem to be worse than the CA Pigs.

Im a GASN member...
excluding UCN GASN members.

On that same note how would you like to be the third party that trade goes through?

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11841106']excluding UCN GASN members.

On that same note how would you like to be the third party that trade goes through?

Good. I'm a GASN "member" too.

Official Clandonian Response
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Clandonia is a fully operating free market economy, we have embrased classical liberal economic policy. We fear communism, it would destroy the living beind that is organic society. We like many laisez faire governments around the world fear the rise of socialism and colectivisation.

We therefore are placing an embargo on all UCN countries, with no exceptions regardless of alliances. We like our UKQ capalist friends feel sorry for the opressed people of these socialist dictatorships.

That coming from the guy who got his country nuked back to the Stone Age but still kept buying missiles and military shit instead of focusing on his people?
No thanks, I'll keep my "Commie Dictatorship".

Official Clandonian Response
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Clandonia is a fully operating free market economy, we have embrased classical liberal economic policy. We fear communism, it would destroy the living beind that is organic society. We like many laisez faire governments around the world fear the rise of socialism and colectivisation.

We therefore are placing an embargo on all UCN countries, with no exceptions regardless of alliances. We like our UKQ capalist friends feel sorry for the opressed people of these socialist dictatorships.

I highly resent this. My nation, though Communist in nature, is a quite effective Democracy, proving itself capable of being such.

@ ICCD

Sure, but wont that make prices go up a bit?

[CENTER]Diplomatic Communique

We also note that ICCD should not escalate fights that it can't win. If our citizens outright refuse to pay this insulting attack on their personal freedoms, then the UK government will support them. We suggest ICCD stands down and rethinks its policies on Questarian - a member of the GASN - citizens, unless you want us to rethink them for you. [/FONT]

ICCD has full right to set any export tolls of shipping leaving it's country. If the Questarian doesn't like ICCD's trade measures then don't trade with us, oh hold on, you arn't trading with us are you. This isn't a war measure feel open to import as per regular, but you must pay an additional 80% flat rate on all exports. If Questarian would like to discus bilateral trade talks sepeate from the GASN then ICCD invites Questarian to do so, however, I think that the 80% export tax somewhat recipricates the Questarian 100% tax on UCN members trade. As for winning we arn't at war with Questarian however threats will not be taken idlely. Although the UCN is peaceful in nature, as well as ICCD being a peaceful observer in nature, we will not hesitate to obliterate Questarian if it moves to attack ICCD or any allies within the UCN. That is not a threat, just a forwarning to Questarian's uncouthe and deliberate hostilities. While most of the reasonable members of the UCN calm fire with water. I choose to control the air, and extinguish the Questarian spokespersons flames of idiocy.

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The United Kingdom would like to remind Avisron that its time would be better spent turning Avisron into a respectable nation, gaining colonies, building up its military, and establishing a class based laissez-faire economic system, rather than messing about with the likes of communists, egalitarians, and other types that live their lives in a fairy world.

[Open Response]

From: The Avisron Department of State

All in your opinion, of course. Frankly, we don't care about being held as 'respectable' in the opinion of other nations since that is completely objectionable. Furthermore, we do not need to force our will upon other humans by setting up 'colonies' to feel good about ourselves. Building up our military is a very important goal, but not for some sort of global conquest. All we're concerned about is making sure no one in Avisron starves, is unhappy, or is neglected of their freedoms.

On that note, we'd like to explain something. Avisron, while being a Socialist nation, still has a free economy. Citizens are completely able to purchase recreational devices and units. Furthermore, they're able to own land to enjoy their recreational time. The only thing that make us Socialist is simply that our citizens enjoy a set standard of living regardless of economic conditions. Our means of production and industry is controlled by the people, not corporate governance systems which almost always corrupt from the inside out.

We're not trying to tell you how to run your economy. We couldn't care much less. All we ask is that you respect that we choose to run ours differently. If you can do that, we'll do the same for you.

Official Clandonian Response
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Clandonia is a fully operating free market economy, we have embrased classical liberal economic policy. We fear communism, it would destroy the living beind that is organic society. We like many laisez faire governments around the world fear the rise of socialism and colectivisation.

We therefore are placing an embargo on all UCN countries, with no exceptions regardless of alliances. We like our UKQ capalist friends feel sorry for the opressed people of these socialist dictatorships.

We laugh at Cladonia Primes Embargo, and spit on the paper this message was delivered on. For all of our help against the war on Griffincrest, this is how you repay us? :upyours:

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

Official Clandonian Response
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Clandonia is a fully operating free market economy, we have embrased classical liberal economic policy. We fear communism, it would destroy the living beind that is organic society. We like many laisez faire governments around the world fear the rise of socialism and colectivisation.

We therefore are placing an embargo on all UCN countries, with no exceptions regardless of alliances. We like our UKQ capalist friends feel sorry for the opressed people of these socialist dictatorships.

Official Irish Response
You say you fear us, then expect us to care what your course of action is?
In your dreams.

Signed,
Ciaran Lynch

Open Communique to Tocrowkia
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MAKE ME A SANDWICH, PREFFERABLY HAM AND CHEESE BUT BACON IS GOOD TOO AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT GE ME A BEER OH YEAH AND MAKE IT A LAGER OF SOME KIND

[OOC: ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! *high fives Questers* OWNED! Didn't expect that to come up! XD]

Real professional Questers. Really professional.


And Tocrowkia, ":upyours: " wasn't mature either.


Questers, as an ally of mine, would you be so kind as to cease insulting my allies?

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC COMMUNIQUE
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TO: UCN Membership
CC: International Community
FROM: Mr. George A. Loak, Supreme Emperor of the Dark Empire of Shazbotdom

_____The Dark Empire of Shazbotdom is more Socialist than Communist so we have a weary stance on this matter. While we do not fear Communism, we don't really wish for that to happen to our nation and a majority of our people (92% last cencus) don't believe that Communism is a right form of government or economy for our nation.

_____We will though take no stance on this matter and are emplacing no Economic Sanctions or Embargo's on any nation assoicated ith the Union of Communist Nations. We will though keep a watchful eye on nations which are members of the UCN in the future to ensure that they do not try to force their ideals on any other nation in the world.

_____We will be watching...

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Of course, you are invited to watch our meetings.

We have cookies in them.

OOC: Hey what happened to this thread now (technically)?

The last 60 or so post are gone! I was browsing this thread on page 13 of 16, and when I click on page 14, the last page available is page 12? There was around 235 posts in this thread this morning, and now there are 173?

Very strange...

OOC: Hey what happened to this thread now (technically)?

The last 60 or so post are gone! I was browsing this thread on page 13 of 16, and when I click on page 14, the last page available is page 12? There was around 235 posts in this thread this morning, and now there are 173?

Very strange...

I guess Towcrowkia asked the admin to delete the pages like he said he would...

Ok, so to keep some peopel up:

I had a vote in my country to see whether or not we would like to join the UCN, everyone voted yes, Icovir is now a member of the UCN.

There was a lot of spam, talks of embargoes, and people responding ICly to OOC post (pretty bad RP'ing there). Also, there were many flame wars.

That's basically what happened in the deleted pages.

OOC: Yep, that´s basically what happened

IC: The Socialist Republic welcomes its comrades of Icovir to the UCN and hopes permanent and cordial relations are stablished between the both countries, as the Socialist Republic and Icovir are both member nations, with diplomatic relations in the recent past. Hoping prosperity to the fellow comrades of Icovir,

Manuel Salvatierra, Foreign Affairs Minister, Socialist Republic of Montegrande

HANSARD - Trade (Economic Reciprocation) Act, 2006

An Act to condemn, in spirit and in action, the crime of collectivist oppression committed against the less fortunate Peoples of the World, by means of ceasation of trade with those countries having declared their acceptance of the aforementioned philosophy of government.


BE IT ENACTED BY THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY, BY AND WITH THE ADVICE AND CONSENT OF THE LORDS SPIRITUAL AND TEMPORAL AND OF THE COMMONS, IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT ASSEMBLED, AND BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE SAME,

1. It shall be an offence to knowingly and wilfully engage in trade of any kind with any government or government-sponsored agency of a country identifying itself as a member of the 'Union of Communist Nations'. Furthermore, it shall be an offence to knowingly and wilfully engage in trade with a third party with the known intention to supply those goods or monies transfered to any government or government-sponsored agency of a country identifying itself as a member of the 'Union of Communist Nations' or to do so unknowingly as a result of wilful negligence. All offences described above shall carry a sentence of no more than fifteen years in gaol and/or a fine of no greater than two billion Praefelis, the exact sentence to be determined by a Court of Law.

2. It shall be a treasonous offence to knowingly and wilfully engage in trade of strategically important materials or information with any government or government-sponsored agency of a country identifying itself as a member of the 'Union of Communist Nations' or to do so unknowingly through a third-party organisation or person as a result of wilful negligence, to carry a sentence of death or up to an indefinate span in gaol and/or an unlimited fine, the exact sentence to be determined by a Court of Law, in accordance with existing law.

3. It shall be an offence for any ship registered in any country identifying itself as a member of the 'Union of Communist Nations', or carrying goods to or from the same, to enter, without permission of His Majesty or His Majesty's Home and Colonial Office, Praetonia's economic exclusion zone or that of any Praetonian Territory, Realm or Possession. Breach of this act is to carry a sentence of no more than five years in gaol and/or a fine of no greater than two billion Praefelis, the exact sentence to be determined by a Court of Law, applicable to both the Captain and the owner of the vessel where it can be proved beyond reasonable doubt that the offence was committed wilfully and with the full knowledge of the same. Any vessel found in breach of this Act may be impounded by His Majesty's Imperial Navy or His Majesty's Coast Guard and repossessed, sold or returned as That organisation or His Majesty or His Majesty's Home and Colonial Office sees fit. His Majesty's Imperial Navy and His Majesty's Coast Guard are empowered by law to use whatever force is deemed necessary by those officers immediately commanding in order to halt and seize any vessel in breach of this act.

4. It shall not be an offence for any person or organisation to engage in trade of any kind with any private individual or organisation operating within any country identifying itself as a member of the 'Union of Communist Nations' except where such an act would conflict with existing law, excluding this Act.

5. This Act is to come in to force upon receiving Royal Assent, and may be suspended, in full or in part, at any time and for an indefinate period by His Majesty, His Majesty's Prime Minister, or His Majesty's Secretary of State for Home Affairs.

HANSARD - Trade (Economic Reciprocation) Act, 2006
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OOC: Honestly, which of us are trading with these guys?

Official Response

And we care because...?

OOC: Honestly, which of us are trading with these guys?

OOC: Not I.

OOC: Honestly, which of us are trading with these guys?
[OOC: Unless you already embargo the entire capitalist world (in which case your economies should be trashed anyway), being embargoed by the entire Sovereign League will almost certainly put appreciable numbers of people in the UCN nations out of work and damage the profitability of any public or private businesses that exist. Unless the UCN is just going to go "HAHA WE HAVE NO TRADE WITH YOU SO LOL PWNT" like people used to in 2004 when "Destroy the UN!!" threads were common (which I dont think will and certainly hope wont be the case), this will be a fairly significant internal problem for them that could (should) make a fun RP.]

[OOC: Being embargoed by the entire Sovereign League will almost certainly put appreciable numbers of people in the UCN nations out of work and damage the profitability of any public or private businesses that exist. Unless the UCN is just going to go "HAHA WE HAVE NO TRADE WITH YOU SO LOL PWNT" like people used to in 2004 when "Destroy the UN!!" threads were common (which I dont think will and certainly hope wont be the case), this will be a fairly significant internal problem for them that could (should) make a fun RP.]

OOC: Is there anywhere I can get a list of nations in the Sovereign League? (I don't need a link, just give me a thread title and I'll dig it up myself.) I doubt I have trade deals with any of them, but if this will lead to a cool Cold War RP, well, yeah, all these embargoes are really hurting us. :)

[Open Message]

From: The Avisron Department of State

The Socialist State of Avisron would like to announce our response to the hostile and completely disregardless economic sanctions placed on members of the UCN.

Praetonia has, without considering the individual practices of each member nation, decided to launch blanket-practices against every single member. This sign of sheer paranoia from the opressive majority was totally expected and comes as absolutely no surprise.

It is at this time we announce our sanctions on all economic dealings with the Praetonian government. The external dealings of our citizens with other citizens of the world are of no concern of ours.

We suggest every other UCN member adopt the same policy.

OOC: Is there anywhere I can get a list of nations in the Sovereign League? (I don't need a link, just give me a thread title and I'll dig it up myself.) I doubt I have trade deals with any of them, but if this will lead to a cool Cold War RP, well, yeah, all these embargoes are really hurting us. :)

[OOC: Generally trade doesn't work by signing "trade deals" like in an RTS or something. In a capitalist country, the government jsut lets people import stuff on their own - a private individual charters a ship to Country A, buys goods and sails it to Country B, where (presumably) the goods fetch a higher price than where he bought them, or where he has a manufacturing plant where he turns them into goods of a higher value. In a communist country this is generally less efficient because it is centrally controlled, but the principle is the same - it's just state-owned comanies chartering state-owned ships instead of private ones. Unless you seriously limit your trade to only a few countries (which will damage your economy anyway, essentially doing our job for us several times over) you should have at least some trade with the SL.

Anyway, this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490622) is the SL thread, although I'm going to make a clearer one soon.

And yes the Cold War thing sounds like fun. :)]

OOC: Is there anywhere I can get a list of nations in the Sovereign League? (I don't need a link, just give me a thread title and I'll dig it up myself.) I doubt I have trade deals with any of them, but if this will lead to a cool Cold War RP, well, yeah, all these embargoes are really hurting us. :)

I think my economy will survive.

OOC: I think that an already autarchic economy shouldn´t be hurt (at least initially) because capitalist states which are not trade partners of my country doesn´t trade with my nation. The fact is the growth of my economy started before my country resolved to democracy, and well, certain stalinist policies have effectiveness in reducing the dependence on trade....

If we're having a cold war, then dibs on James Bond!

If we're having a cold war, then dibs on James Bond!

I dib Mishkin then!

Real professional Questers. Really professional.

That's the way Matt frequently is IC, actually. Several other people do similar things, notably Borman Empire (who ends all declarations of war with "All your base are belong to us!") and TIOR (self-explanatory; he's TIOR).


And Tocrowkia, -snip- wasn't mature either.
I've noticed that her Foreign Ministry tends to use smilies and 'net expressions like "pwnt" and "n00b" a whole lot; I guess that's just the way it is IC as well. (Tocrowkia's not the only one; I've seen Omigodtheykilledkenny and Cluichstan do it as well, although one kind of expects it from them.)

((OOC: A few things.

1)Who's joined since my last update?

2) I am not interested in any Cold War Rp, or even a hot war with SL or anyone else. I will ignore any such thing, but everyone else, feel free to do what ever you wish.

3) About 90% of the staff in my Foreign Ministry is under the age of 25, and there are no restrictions against it, thus explaining the net lingo and the smilies we use.))

You could be in a Cold War with Questers new alliance of ACTO?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504209

2) I am not interested in any Cold War Rp, or even a hot war with SL or anyone else. I will ignore any such thing, but everyone else, feel free to do what ever you wish.

Toc, what's the point of having a Communist pact if you're not going to RP with it?

OOC: I just want to tell my allies in the UCN that I'm reading every single post in this thread, and I'm following the diplomatic/trade embargos with interest. But for the moment I'm a bit short of time to make good RP-posts...
I think that all the trade embargos that's placed on us should infect our economy, at least a bit, otherwise it's really unrealistic.

Toc, what's the point of having a Communist pact if you're not going to RP with it?

OOC: Just because I don't want to go to war doesn't mean I'm not interested in the alliance as a whole.

@ ICCD

Sure, but wont that make prices go up a bit?


not necisarily if your just the shipping agent.. i.e. ships registered to your country.. etc.. etc.. :)

[OOC: Unless you already embargo the entire capitalist world

ICCD is a state capitalist enterprise, we arn't just commies. We provide gaurentied social welfare for the working class. The political class is carear government employees, civil servants, for the most part. Meanwhile major basic needs (food, water, shelter, and other such item) corporations are pooled into the state monopoly with the incorporated companies having equal say on the management of the industries under the Imperial Senates approved Imperial Legislation.

While you may have this warped sense that we don't allow capitalism, that is quite contrary, we only have a 20% profit tax, far lower then most "free market countries" and we only have a 20% flat rate export tax generally without special reference to any specific country for higher tarrifs.

we have an incredibly free market, and our commune and cooperative businesses are for guarentied social subsistence. ICCD also awards it's citizens for social service.

we find that pooling our major industries into a collective corporation, and the guildes as a collective bargaining agent for medium and small businesses enables us to leverage our wealth and protect it collectively.

ICCD is not anti capitalist, it is pro society, and pro collective action.

Whatever evils you see at the concept of communism or commune methodolgy is likely blurred and warped behind ideas and abjurations rather than what communism really is in a pure functioning variety.

One thing communists know is that with common goals we can acheive peace, so reconsider your hostile stance, why hinder business, when we can enhance it? isn't that the whole idea of capitalism enabling growth in new markets, and protection of wealth, communists are capitalists too but capitalists as a whole body of a society, for the social wellbeing, rather then a small oligarchy within that group.

ICCD is not anti capitalist, and recognizes that people most qualified for a position in society will acheive that society, the thing is though we recognize that the overall health and capacity of the whole of society enables all of society to realize greater collective wealth.

[Open Message]

From: The Avisron Department of State

The Socialist State of Avisron would like to announce our response to the hostile and completely disregardless economic sanctions placed on members of the UCN.

Praetonia has, without considering the individual practices of each member nation, decided to launch blanket-practices against every single member. This sign of sheer paranoia from the opressive majority was totally expected and comes as absolutely no surprise.

It is at this time we announce our sanctions on all economic dealings with the Praetonian government. The external dealings of our citizens with other citizens of the world are of no concern of ours.

We suggest every other UCN member adopt the same policy.
From the mouth of Bailo Henreich

"Know what I say, I say we don't embargo em', I say we just only do really unfair business dealings with them, like, throuhg some third party buy a whole bunch of stuff under a false name, and then... after they ship it don't show up, and make sure it's something like fish!!!... or what we do is we send a SOF under their ships so they sink with like a few hundred cars or some other item. Or we spray paint their ships with slogans like " we suck, we are the GAS N' FARTS. Ok you got me, really, we may second that motion, but really is it wrong to screw up their economy rather then just boycotting it?


p.s. no offence to the GAsn Ucn members, ICCD is a little confused at who exactly is boycotting us, maybe we can keep a list?

Through the office of the logothe of the drome as relayed from the Casa Militar

"ICCD is now implementing defended shipment protocols. This essentially means that some seaborn and airborn shipments will have emergency services and Imperial Militar equipment and vehicles and personnel assigned more then in the past. It is a pilot project, and exact details cannot be disclosed. "

President Sule entered his palace with every sign of weariness, tiredly responding to the salute of the front guards, and spending half a minute observing the damage done by the bomb that had exploded there yesterday, rubbing his ears - he still didn't hear particularly well, although he'd been assured that his eardrums hadn't bursted - and sighing.

Great. Repairing that will cost me a fortune. Well. The taxpayer, not me. But Rehema's all worried about me... Well, at least she's safe at her school, rather than in this godforsaken country.

He didn't much like admitting to himself that he missed his daughter. That he looked at her photograph about a hundred times a day (Well, she did look cute, all in winter clothes, and with snow in her hair - pretty exotic, considering that she came from a country located pretty much exactly at the equator) surely didn't give it away.

At least he hoped that it didn't.

But, being the president of a bankrupt third-world country also involved having duties, regardless of how much the public believed that all he did was lying with brunettes and to his wife.

And so he went to work.

Failed production quota, a helicopter shot down, a secondary rebellion shot to pieces in the eastern mountains, more jungle territory lost to the People's Front of Freedom Exterminated (Lucky for him that the PFFE was constantly fighting Freedom Exterminated's People's Front, which had choosen to enter the northern jungles after being beaten in the mountains), the church complaining about 'Alleged' torture of prisoners (He really had to talk to Nicolai about that one - Nicolai Ghali was far too brutal for his own good, as Claude knew from experience: He'd observed it once, and promptly vomitted. Hell, even thinking about it made him feel sick)...

Being a President was incredibly boring.

This said, sometimes, it could be surprisingly interesting. Or, if not interesting, it could at least offer opportunities. Such as when Claude Sule found the notice informing him of the Tocrowkian intentions.

Next on the list was calling his foreign minister, Faizah Ugande.

"I'd like to speak the minister."

"... She can leave the conference?"

"... I'm the President. Not a random peasant. So give me my minister or enjoy harvesting rubber by about tomorrow. We're not meeting our production goals, anyway, so maybe we need more labour?"

"Thank you very much."

"Ah... There you are. Yes. Regarding this Union of Communist Nations..."

"Yes, I know that we don't strictly qualify. But we qualify for the economic terms, anyway, apart from not having 1.5 trillion to spare. Well, actually, in our currency, we do... But anyway. The political terms, well, I'm sure you can make it look-as-if? I mean, apart from the 'Freedom of the Press' bit..."

"Indeed. And the military terms will be quite beneficial to us. And we've far too many generals, anyway - we can send fifty of them over to make up our part of the security council. Alright? Alright. And now have fun with your lover."

"What do you mean, 'How do you know?' I'm the President. I've connections."

Puting the phone down, Claude Sule sighed. Faizah Ugande engaging in lesbian sex wasn't exactly a pleasant image... He'd have nightmares for a week.

Elsewhere, Faizah Ugande eventually composed the request, after an hour or so of 'Conference'.

From: The Christian-Socialist Republic
To: Whom it may concern, Tocrowkia; Union of Communist Nations
Subject: Membership of the Christian-Socialist Republic in the Union of Communist Nations

Greetings,

Having heard of your well-intentioned and apparently highly successful motion to provide the more enlightened societies in this world with the mutual support so necessary for all of us in this age of imperialist, bourgeoisie and fascist aggression, we, as a people who have long suffered from all this evils - and indeed, are still suffering from the terrible aftereffects -, are naturally interested in joining your enlightened organisation.

Of course, as you're no doubt aware, your terms of admittance, although well-intentioned, provide certain problems for us, as we're presently dealing with aforementioned aftereffects of imperialist, bourgeoisie and fascist aggression, which has unfortunate effects on our society, which is still suffering from the blows of defeated, but still struggling enemy - just like you, as you, too, are suffering the effects of the imperialist, bourgeoisie and fascist ignorance and evil, embargoing your free and progressive people - and unfortunately necessitates certain unusual actions.

Of course, these ineffectual strikes of the already-dying enemy shall have no effect on your, or our economies, seeing as they are few, whereas we are many. * And as you know - the many are strong. So, while we do admittedly have shortcomings with regards to some of your terms of acceptance, ** we hope that you'll nevertheless choose to allow us - maybe on probation? - to join your ranks, so that the people who've realised the advantages of socialism & communism may join together, regardless of how far they've progressed in their quest to achieve freedom against the obstacles created by the imperialist and bourgeoisie filth clogging so many of this world's nations.

Sincerely,

~ Faizah Ugande, Foreign Minister of the Christian-Socialist Republic.

oocness: * A handful of nations trying embargos in a world with about a hundred thousand nations? That's worthy of a comment by Nelson Muntz. Nelson?

"Ha-Ha!"

Thank you, Nelson.

** Racism, sexism and religious intoerance aren't NS-scale, but degrees of discrimination - read, preferring particular ethnic groups in government positions, generally preferring christians to animists (And encouraging the conversion of the latter) and the likes are present. Violent ethnic (Or religious) tensions exist as well, although ethnic cleansing on Rwanda-scale isn't present. Also, resistance movements tend to be semi-ethnic in nature: People aren't killed because they belong to a given ethnic group, but the vast majority of the ethnic group does unfortunately sympathise with a given resistance movement... This may, of course, lead to 'Real' ethnic tensions as things are progressing to spiral downward.

Furthermore, catholicism is state-endorsed. This said, the church itself tends to meddle in affairs of the state, providig humanitarian aid where the government would like to starve people... So it's more the religion than the church that's endorsed, and the people have too much faith to make removing the church a feasible option.

Oh, and 'Freedom of the Press' is a somewhat hollow phrase.

Anyway... basic information regarding Freedom Exterminated (Officially: Christian-Socialist Republic) & its behaviour on the international scale can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382525) (Posts spread throughout the thread), here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8562302&postcount=26) (Single post), here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407633) (As usual, posts spread liberally throughout the thread), and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=402768) (See above), and that's about it.

Chellis thinks The Christian-Socialist Republic should be admitted, as long as it agree's to attempt to fix its short-comings to be applied(allowing it in, as long as its trying to bring itself up). Chellis is willing to aid the nation as well, economically.

Man, you guys make me feel like an outcast when you sepak Spanish. So I'll make you feel like outcasts with this one comment:

حال دتكم اٍلنجلزي؟

Ha, now try and translate, THAT.

That made me feel better.

Man, you guys make me feel like an outcast when you sepak Spanish. So I'll make you feel like outcasts with this one comment:

حال دتكم اٍلنجلزي؟

Ha, now try and translate, THAT.

That made me feel better.

Votre langue est merde, mon frere. Etudie un langue ce n'est pas bete.

Votre langue est merde, mon frere. Etudie un langue ce n'est pas bete.

What? Arabic isn't an animal's language, lol.

Yep, I study French, also.

What? Arabic isn't an animal's language, lol.

Yep, I study French, also.

I beg to differ ^_^

jk, as far as I'm aware, bete can be used interchangably with stupid as well, beastly, etc.

OOC: Eternal Revolucion, de nuevo insisto, con esos posts no te van a aceptar en ninguna alianza, tienes que demostrar que sabes hacer el roleplay si quieres que te respeten. Como dijo The World Soviet Party, lo único que conseguirás de esta manera es que te pongan un gran y merecido ban los mods

For Icovir: Let us speak spanish, in this forums in english it is really a breeze for us, or at least for me as a spanish speaker, to talk in our mother language. Like Pablo Neruda wrote in his memories: " Se llevaron el oro, nos dejaron el oro; nos dejaron las palabras." (They took the gold, they left us the gold; they left us the words.)

IC: The Socialist Republic of Montegrande is in favor of the acceptance of the Christian-Socialist Republic, but the economy has to be improved in the interest of the local proletariat, and the Socialist Republic is at the UCN´s disposal in helping reaching that goal, which would be difficult, but certainly of key importance for the proletariat of the Christian socialist Republic and the UCN as a whole.

Manuel Salvatierra, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Socialist Republic of Montegrande

UCN willing to open embassies in my nation may do so here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=503096). We'd also like to open embassies in your nations.

I'll open up some embassies after this war with Beiraq.

OOC: I'm sorry but thats just plain wrong, even for an IC post thats beyond the limits.

lol, I.G.N.O.R.E cannons up.

Also, no Beiraqi P.O.W's were taken, and we don't have a president, we have an Emperor who runs things.

Really, I find it sad that the only way people can argue is to insert derogatory statements/terms to others.

I don't need to waste my intelligence on inferior minds

But really, I want to invade and conquer Eternal Revolucion. It'll be as easy as North Korea VS. America, Japan, China, Russia, and Britian...

From: The Christian-Socialist Republic
To: Whom it may concern, Union of Communist Nations
Subject: Membership of the Christian-Socialist Republic in the Union of Communist Nations

Greetings,

I wish to thank the nations of Chellis and Montegrande for their tentative support of our application (And our development), and I must emphasize that the Christian-Socialist Republic is indeed doing everything in its might to combat the less pleasant aspects of its present, be they of social or economic nature - a quest that we're sure we'll be able to continue on with ever increasing success as we're assisted by the Union of Communist Nations.

While our nation is admittedly struck with minor shortcomings, it does nonetheless host a wealth of opportunities, particularly in the primary sector, as it relates to the secondary. Based on this, we hope to soon increase revenues, as our nation advances with the help of its socialist brothers.

Victory will come for us, thoruh the work of our own hands! The Internationale shall be victorious!

Sincerely,

~ Faizah Ugande, Foreign Minister of the Christian-Socialist Republic

I say you can get in, now we have to wait for Tocrowkia.

AII your base you like to join the UCN
but i couldnt find it on the database :headbang:

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL STATEMENT

It is organizations just like these that pose a greater threat to honorable existence than any other. As a member of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organization, the Imperium condemns this organization, and warns that any and all nations on its member list will be considered hostile to the Imperium. Rather than engage in a long-winded rant about the evil and immoral nature of all forms of Communism, we prefer to let our actions speak for themselves. You have been warned.

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL STATEMENT

It is organizations just like these that pose a greater threat to honorable existence than any other. As a member of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organization, the Imperium condemns this organization, and warns that any and all nations on its member list will be considered hostile to the Imperium. Rather than engage in a long-winded rant about the evil and immoral nature of all forms of Communism, we prefer to let our actions speak for themselves. You have been warned.

Roger that, as its our custom, you have been given a plate of chocolate chipped cookies.
Enjoy.

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL STATEMENT

It is organizations just like these that pose a greater threat to honorable existence than any other. As a member of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organization, the Imperium condemns this organization, and warns that any and all nations on its member list will be considered hostile to the Imperium. Rather than engage in a long-winded rant about the evil and immoral nature of all forms of Communism, we prefer to let our actions speak for themselves. You have been warned.

Medinah, Icovir
Citizens everywhere laughed after the Emperor's monthly speech. In it, he mentioned the threat The Warmaster had spoken.

Even the Emperor, who had been solemn for the past weeks after the Beiraqi-Icovirian war had laughed at that.

It was clear that Icovir didn't feel threatened.

Imperial Palace
Super City, Maraque
Secular Empire

All of us in Maraque are shivering in fear... really, we are.

... not.

Signed,
Emperor Jovan Norris

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL STATEMENT

It is organizations just like these that pose a greater threat to honorable existence than any other. As a member of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organization, the Imperium condemns this organization, and warns that any and all nations on its member list will be considered hostile to the Imperium. Rather than engage in a long-winded rant about the evil and immoral nature of all forms of Communism, we prefer to let our actions speak for themselves. You have been warned.

[Open Message]

From: The Avisronite Foreign Ministry

We don't care, nor will we ever. It's obvious that the capitalist world cannot stomach the idea of engaging powerful communist blocs simply for thinking of the cheer chaos that would be caused. You've been emailed a "Get 1 Free Popcorn Chicken" sticker.

Have fun.

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL STATEMENT

It is organizations just like these that pose a greater threat to honorable existence than any other. As a member of the Anti-Communist Treaty Organization, the Imperium condemns this organization, and warns that any and all nations on its member list will be considered hostile to the Imperium. Rather than engage in a long-winded rant about the evil and immoral nature of all forms of Communism, we prefer to let our actions speak for themselves. You have been warned.

((OOC: Updated the list, guys.))

IC:

No one cares. You are pathetic. Bye.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

OOC: Toc, are we ever going to get started on that Insurgency RP?

OOC: I'm still on the list even though I requested to leave

>_>

Well, Capitalists won in Icovir, the total of votes is higher than the population of the country, but, hey,i ts a free world.

Well, Capitalists won in Icovir, the total of votes is higher than the population of the country, but, hey,i ts a free world.

:confused: I thought it was a close vote that was decided in favor of the communists by two brothers (and thousands of Irish boobies)...

lol, the total votes were higher than the population? :D

Oh well, everything rides on the Prime Minister. But, ICly, people donated a LOT of moolah for the Capitalists, so I couldn't say no.

[OOC: Does this mean that Icovir is leaving the UCN?]

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11849260']ICCD is a state capitalist enterprise, we arn't just commies. We provide gaurentied social welfare for the working class. The political class is carear government employees, civil servants, for the most part. Meanwhile major basic needs (food, water, shelter, and other such item) corporations are pooled into the state monopoly with the incorporated companies having equal say on the management of the industries under the Imperial Senates approved Imperial Legislation.

While you may have this warped sense that we don't allow capitalism, that is quite contrary, we only have a 20% profit tax, far lower then most "free market countries" and we only have a 20% flat rate export tax generally without special reference to any specific country for higher tarrifs.

we have an incredibly free market, and our commune and cooperative businesses are for guarentied social subsistence. ICCD also awards it's citizens for social service.

we find that pooling our major industries into a collective corporation, and the guildes as a collective bargaining agent for medium and small businesses enables us to leverage our wealth and protect it collectively.

ICCD is not anti capitalist, it is pro society, and pro collective action.

Whatever evils you see at the concept of communism or commune methodolgy is likely blurred and warped behind ideas and abjurations rather than what communism really is in a pure functioning variety.

One thing communists know is that with common goals we can acheive peace, so reconsider your hostile stance, why hinder business, when we can enhance it? isn't that the whole idea of capitalism enabling growth in new markets, and protection of wealth, communists are capitalists too but capitalists as a whole body of a society, for the social wellbeing, rather then a small oligarchy within that group.

ICCD is not anti capitalist, and recognizes that people most qualified for a position in society will acheive that society, the thing is though we recognize that the overall health and capacity of the whole of society enables all of society to realize greater collective wealth.
[OOC: I think you're a little confused. This is an RP forum, not a political debate forum. If you wish to discuss your new form of communism (which really resembles a mild form of state socialism more than anything) then please post on the General forum or some other such board, where there will, I am sure, be plenty of people who would love to debate it with you.

All that matters here is that Praetonia, which is an RPed nation and not 'me', is embargoing the UCN. Some of your compatriots in the UCN seemed to be claiming that they did not need to take any economic damage from being embargoed (which is the equivalent of claiming invicible tanks in a war RP, or something equally ludicrous) because they only traded with a select few nations. I was explaining why this was unlikely. Your comments were not at all relevent to that discussion, which makes them all the more perplexing.]

oocness: * A handful of nations trying embargos in a world with about a hundred thousand nations? That's worthy of a comment by Nelson Muntz. Nelson?

"Ha-Ha!"

Thank you, Nelson.
[OOC: To me it seems bad form and unspirited to claim that no economic dealings affect you at all because you have assumed trade with non-RPing nations. In no other part of RPing on this forum are non-RPing nations taken into account, because if they are then it is impossible to really RP anything because the opinions and actions of nations whose actions and intentions are unknowable must be taken into account. Claiming as you do that you have trade when you do not in fact know that any of these countries allow trade with you is rather dubious, but worse it ruins any economic aspect of the game because any economic problem can simply be handwaved away in this manner, when in RL economic problems are usually the driving factors behind everything else, including wars. Of course I cannot force you to remove what is essentially an ignore of legitimate actions but I would certainly like you to do so, even if you subsequently take little damage from any embargo.

In any case, there is no need to be childish and rude to make an OOC point. My country ICly may be opposed to yours ICly but that does not mean that I harbour any dislike against you personally.]

2) I am not interested in any Cold War Rp, or even a hot war with SL or anyone else. I will ignore any such thing, but everyone else, feel free to do what ever you wish.
[OOC: If you wish. I shall ignore you in turn. I think it's sad that people will ignore legitimate actions simply to avoid damage to their invented countries.]

ICCD-Intracircumcordei]From the mouth of Bailo Henreich

"Know what I say, I say we don't embargo em', I say we just only do really unfair business dealings with them, like, throuhg some third party buy a whole bunch of stuff under a false name, and then... after they ship it don't show up, and make sure it's something like fish!!!... or what we do is we send a SOF under their ships so they sink with like a few hundred cars or some other item. Or we spray paint their ships with slogans like " we suck, we are the GAS N' FARTS. Ok you got me, really, we may second that motion, but really is it wrong to screw up their economy rather then just boycotting it?
"Bailo Henreich requires no rebuttal of mine to make a mockery of his position and actions - his own words do this far better than any Member of this House ever could. Before us we see not a statesman, but a petulant child who has stolen control of a surely embarassed country."

- Foreign Secretary Philip Henbury, in answer to a question put by Liberal MP Sir Hubert Greys, regarding the Trade (Economic Reciprocation) Act, 2006.

[Open Message]

From: The Avisron Department of State

The Socialist State of Avisron would like to announce our response to the hostile and completely disregardless economic sanctions placed on members of the UCN.

Praetonia has, without considering the individual practices of each member nation, decided to launch blanket-practices against every single member. This sign of sheer paranoia from the opressive majority was totally expected and comes as absolutely no surprise.

It is at this time we announce our sanctions on all economic dealings with the Praetonian government. The external dealings of our citizens with other citizens of the world are of no concern of ours.

We suggest every other UCN member adopt the same policy.
OFFICIAL CLARIFICATION - OFFICE OF THE LORD CHANCELLOR

Several requests for clarification have been made by Praetonian Subjects and oversees citizens following a statement made by a spokesman on behalf of the Avisron State Department, Avisron being one of the countries affected by the Trade (Economic Reciprocation) Act, 2006. I shall answer the most common questions below:

1. Existance of a Praetonian Embargo

Contrary to the implicit meaning of the message released by Avisron, trade of any kind between His Majesty's Government and Avisron, or any other Union of Communist Nations (hereafter referred to as 'UCN') government is already illegal under the aforementioned Trade Act, and so the embargo imposed will have no further effect on trade. However it should be pointed out for the benefit of foreign nationals that the Praetonian government, being the government of a liberal-capitalist state, has little spending power beyond the police, military and internal adminsitration in any case, and no trade was ever likely to have been contemplated with a government of a country indentifying itself with an organisation decidedly against Praetonia's economic and social system.

2. Citizen-to-citizen Transactions

The Trade Act is clear in its intention to hurt only the collectivised state companies of the UCN nations, and so any trade between genuinely independent comapnies and private citizens in any UCN nation is not outlawed. Indeed, the intention was to incentivise the UCN nations to privatise their collectivised industries in order to open them up to larger markets. The only exceptions are, of course, government-controlled fronts and companies whose sole purpose is to act as third-party traders for the government or government owned or controlled companies.

3. 'Blanket Targetting'

Several inquiries have asked for the issue of 'blanket targetting' of UCN nations to be addressed. Whilst it is true that even if a memberstate of the UCN were as laissez-faire as Praetonia, trade with its government would still be banned. However, in practise there would be little harm done to trade between the two, as the Trade Act explicitly only bans trade with governments, government owned and controlled companies, government controlled front companies and companies whose sole or primary purpose is to act as a third party for a government owned or controlled company or the government itself. As can clearly be seen, the effect of the act against a laissez-faire memberstate of the UCN would be negliable. However, it seems more pertinent to point out that no such memberstates exist, and it is unlikely that any capitalist or laissez-faire nation will ever join a "Union of Communist States".

Other queries have been answered directly.

Office of the Lord Chancellor

OOC: Dang, so many anti-communists out there.

*snip*

OOC: For starters, any economic damage our countries take would be 10 times as much for your country, as we are all losing one trade member in your case, while you are losing ten. Of course, if enough countries embargoed us, it would be worse for us in the long run, but as its only a couple right now, you're doing more harm to yourself than us. Hope you are roleplaying all that economic damage.

However, I assume my country trades with nations who don't RP. Why? Trade isn't RPed, or only very rarely. I don't RP every trade, or even establish whom I trade with in RP. Its unfeasible. However, even if you don't want to consider those nations whom don't rp ever, its not like you're the only other RPer. Chellis, personally, has the UCN, CCoL, many allies, and many neutral countries to trade with. Three countries won't make a relative dent at all, because there are thousands of people who do RP, who we can trade with. Saying no damage to our economies is not the equivilent of invincible tanks. Its more equivilent of saying your AK-47's wont damage our tanks. If you had enough AK's shooting at them, it could start to hurt them, knocking out some less protected areas, etc. But a couple will just end up having the infantry shot down.

We don't need your buisness.

OOC: For starters, any economic damage our countries take would be 10 times as much for your country, as we are all losing one trade member in your case, while you are losing ten. Of course, if enough countries embargoed us, it would be worse for us in the long run, but as its only a couple right now, you're doing more harm to yourself than us. Hope you are roleplaying all that economic damage.

However, I assume my country trades with nations who don't RP. Why? Trade isn't RPed, or only very rarely. I don't RP every trade, or even establish whom I trade with in RP. Its unfeasible. However, even if you don't want to consider those nations whom don't rp ever, its not like you're the only other RPer. Chellis, personally, has the UCN, CCoL, many allies, and many neutral countries to trade with. Three countries won't make a relative dent at all, because there are thousands of people who do RP, who we can trade with. Saying no damage to our economies is not the equivilent of invincible tanks. Its more equivilent of saying your AK-47's wont damage our tanks. If you had enough AK's shooting at them, it could start to hurt them, knocking out some less protected areas, etc. But a couple will just end up having the infantry shot down.

We don't need your buisness.

[OOC: This is my favorite post in recent memory.]

[Response]

From: The Avisronite Department of State

There are still, in the world, vast exceptions to the general "rules" of how economies work. Avisron does have a very laissez-faire style to economics at times. We allow our citizens to control their own economic fates. However, we do set standards for wages and working conditions. We prevent the exploitation of less intelligent classes, while at the same time allowing harder workers and better educated people to benefit from their intelligence.

We call ourselves socialist because we have a set standard of living that anyone can be part of. We're not corrupt capitalist pig-dogs who attack homeless people, but we're far from a communist state. That's why we don't appreciate this type of blanket-action by much larger nations such as yours.

OOC: For starters, any economic damage our countries take would be 10 times as much for your country, as we are all losing one trade member in your case, while you are losing ten. Of course, if enough countries embargoed us, it would be worse for us in the long run, but as its only a couple right now, you're doing more harm to yourself than us. Hope you are roleplaying all that economic damage.
[OOC: That doesn't make any sense. Most of the UCN countries are small nations with much weaker economies than Praetonia's. Why would it cause ten times as much damage? It will cause some, yes, and that is why the Liberal Party (turn of the century British Liberal, not present day US liberal) is asking questions in the House about it, but your assertions as to how great this damage should be are baseless and bizarre, akin to saying that if the US embargoed Quatar, Micronesia and Bulgaria, the US should take an economic hit three times greater than Bulgaria.]

However, I assume my country trades with nations who don't RP. Why? Trade isn't RPed, or only very rarely. I don't RP every trade, or even establish whom I trade with in RP. Its unfeasible.
[OOC: If you want to say that then you can, of course. I think it is a somewhat pathetic and incosistent way of trying to avoid legitimate damage but still. Any trade with you I may have lossed is handwaved away by trade with undefined non-RPing countries. Isn't this a fun RP? Wouldn't it be so much more dull if we had RPed it properly?]

However, even if you don't want to consider those nations whom don't rp ever, its not like you're the only other RPer. Chellis, personally, has the UCN, CCoL, many allies, and many neutral countries to trade with. Three countries won't make a relative dent at all, because there are thousands of people who do RP, who we can trade with.
[OOC: No there aren't. There are maybe a hundred players who regularly RP, and of those Praetonia, Questers Etc are easily in the top 5% with regards to economic power. Damage won't be catastrophic, no, or my own government wouldn't want to do it, but it will be noticeable.]

Saying no damage to our economies is not the equivilent of invincible tanks. Its more equivilent of saying your AK-47's wont damage our tanks. If you had enough AK's shooting at them, it could start to hurt them, knocking out some less protected areas, etc. But a couple will just end up having the infantry shot down.
[OOC: According to Thirdgeek, your economy is only about 33% larger than mine, so no your analogy is wrong.]

We don't need your buisness.
Unless the UCN is just going to go "HAHA WE HAVE NO TRADE WITH YOU SO LOL PWNT" like people used to in 2004 when "Destroy the UN!!" threads were common (which I dont think will and certainly hope wont be the case), this will be a fairly significant internal problem for them that could (should) make a fun RP.
[OOC: It seems I spoke too soon.]

[OOC: This is my favorite post in recent memory.]
[OOC:...for goodness' sake, when will you people realise that I am not trying to fight you, I am trying to initiate a fun RP. Look, whatever, I don't care anymore. This bloody site is more trouble than its worth.]

[OOC:...for goodness' sake, when will you people realise that I am not trying to fight you, I am trying to initiate a fun RP. Look, whatever, I don't care anymore. This bloody site is more trouble than its worth.]

OOC: I don't know about you, but my definition of "fun RP" is not "form an alliance then get bashed constantly by five or ten griefers, IC and OOC".
kthnxbye.

[OOC:...for goodness' sake, when will you people realise that I am not trying to fight you, I am trying to initiate a fun RP. Look, whatever, I don't care anymore. This bloody site is more trouble than its worth.]

[OOC: I know you're not trying to fight us. I simply think there's some things you need to take into consideration before going off on the thought-path that your nation is powerful enough to crush the economy of any smaller economy without actually DOING any RP'ing. Writing one post about a law isn't an RP. Further, the UCN can simply trade within itself and survive easily. A few UCN nations would have trade deals with capitalist nations. Profit from those deals end up getting spread around to the entire UCN, with time. Simply having YOUR nation and a few allies break trade barely gets near shutting an economy down. Sure, it does make things tighter - but not anywhere near the level that would pressure a government.]

[OOC: I know you're not trying to fight us. I simply think there's some things you need to take into consideration before going off on the thought-path that your nation is powerful enough to crush the economy of any smaller economy without actually DOING any RP'ing. Writing one post about a law isn't an RP. Further, the UCN can simply trade within itself and survive easily. A few UCN nations would have trade deals with capitalist nations. Profit from those deals end up getting spread around to the entire UCN, with time. Simply having YOUR nation and a few allies break trade barely gets near shutting an economy down. Sure, it does make things tighter - but not anywhere near the level that would pressure a government.]
[OOC: ...what? When did I ever claim I would shut your entire economy down? Stop putting words into my mouth and try to read what I'm actually saying. As for your bizarre claim that I am not RPing, please provide a definition you would find acceptable of what RPing is. I have made an action (the law) and you have criticsed it. I then answered your criticism IC, and so on. That is an RP. The only problem with it is that it is being bogged down in pointless OOC banter which largely consists of the UCN nations claiming that they have economies that are invulnerable to outside pressure, which is not the case of any economy in the real world, even the insolationist Stalinist ones.]

[quote]OOC: I don't know about you, but my definition of "fun RP" is not "form an alliance then get bashed constantly by five or ten griefers, IC and OOC".
kthnxbye.[/qiote]
[OOC: If your definition of fun "RP" is to just sit talking to yourself then why not write a story? It would seem far better suited, since RP by definition requires that others interact, and in an RP about countries, it largely requires that those interactions be concerned with rivalry. As for your bizarre allegations that I am to blame for all this OOC rubbish, I simply shake my head in disbelief.]

[OOC: ...what? When did I ever claim I would shut your entire economy down? Stop putting words into my mouth and try to read what I'm actually saying.

OOC: I was exagerating. You knew I was exagerating.

As for your bizarre claim that I am not RPing, please provide a definition you would find acceptable of what RPing is. I have made an action (the law) and you have criticsed it. I then answered your criticism IC, and so on. That is an RP.

Yes, that is an RP. This endless OOC debate isn't an RP, however. That's what I was referring to.

The only problem with it is that it is being bogged down in pointless OOC banter which largely consists of the UCN nations claiming that they have economies that are invulnerable to outside pressure, which is not the case of any economy in the real world, even the insolationist Stalinist ones.]


And I will say again: Praetonia and all its allies DO NOT have the economic power to cause economic destruction to an ALLIANCE of nations. There is no "strongest nation" in NationStates. There's alot of nations which fit every niche. If you don't want to trade with the UCN then don't. UCN nations will find someone else to trade with.

It's also alot of fun to watch you try to argue that one nation embargoing a free-market economy will cause instant destruction.

Madnestan is willing to join this alliance, and to transfer 3,5 Trillion USD to its emergency funds immediately after the (hoped) acceptance of it.

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan

Madnestan is willing to join this alliance, and to transfer 3,5 Trillion USD to its emergency funds immediately after the (hoped) acceptance of it.

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Throughoutly Armed Republic of Madnestan

Accepted.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-

[OOC: If your definition of fun "RP" is to just sit talking to yourself then why not write a story? It would seem far better suited, since RP by definition requires that others interact, and in an RP about countries, it largely requires that those interactions be concerned with rivalry. As for your bizarre allegations that I am to blame for all this OOC rubbish, I simply shake my head in disbelief.]
OOC: Actually, I define "writing a story" as (:eek:) "writing a story" *dramatic gasp*. As for your bizzare allegations that I bizarrely alleged that you are to blame for the OOC crap, I'd be mighty impressed if you can point out the part where I called you responsible for it. However, if you think that you have not contributed to the OOC griefing, think again, since you are still pestering this thread about it, even though we have all made it clear that, no, we have no wish to RP with you.

(ooc-With my computer fixed,I can RP again.I'd wish to help in anyway I can to support your Socalist indeveror and bring Justice to all.)

OOC: What do you people think about creating a region for this alliance? I'm currently looking for a new reg for Madnestan for some time now... so why not to use this alliance for it?

OOC: I like that idea, actually.

OOC: I dunno... There'll be many region invasions plus I'd lose all my UN votes...

OOC:Oh,whattehell. I'll create it anyways. Those who want can join.

Ok, there it is. UNION OF COMMUNIST NATIONS.

[OOC: To me it seems bad form and unspirited to claim that no economic dealings affect you at all because you have assumed trade with non-RPing nations. In no other part of RPing on this forum are non-RPing nations taken into account, because if they are then it is impossible to really RP anything because the opinions and actions of nations whose actions and intentions are unknowable must be taken into account. Claiming as you do that you have trade when you do not in fact know that any of these countries allow trade with you is rather dubious, but worse it ruins any economic aspect of the game because any economic problem can simply be handwaved away in this manner, when in RL economic problems are usually the driving factors behind everything else, including wars. Of course I cannot force you to remove what is essentially an ignore of legitimate actions but I would certainly like you to do so, even if you subsequently take little damage from any embargo.oocness: Um. I see a little problem here: See my postcount? Good. As you can see, I'm RPing rarely-if-ever. So, if your PoV is that non-RPing nations have no interaction...

Then we've had no interaction. No economic relations. Nothing.

Furthermore, there's the minor issue of, erm... On one side you consider 'Having trade relations assumed without consent' dubious (And I'll admit, it does have a dubious side - but the alternative is just silly, to me), yet, you consider it equally dubious if we - or any other member in this alliance - didn't have economic ties despite such never being mentioned, because most usually, more-or-less everyone trades with more-or-less everyone else?

Make up your mind, man.

Anyway. The IC bit.

From: The Christian-Socialist Republic
To: Whom it may concern, Union of Communist Nations
Subject: Membership of the Christian-Socialist Republic in the Union of Communist Nations

Greetings,

It is with great joy that we hear of your honourable alliance accepting us as a member - a decision that will no doubt help our effords to rid us of the aftereffects of the imperialist burden, thus joining the ranks of the more advanced members of this alliance.

We're of course going to readily support the UCN with all the resources we've available (Few as they may be), and will do everything we can to ensure that this alliance will grow to bring the red light of truth and wisdom to the world.

In the meantime, and to facilitate this, we've sent off the required fifty representatives meant to participate in the security council. We expect that they'll arrive shortly.

Sincerely,

~ Faizah Ugande, Foreign Minister of the Christian-Socialist Republic

The general looked out of the window of the thirty-years old jetliner, slowly but surely flying across the vast, blue desert that was the ocean. He - like the fifty other generals on board of the plane - was going to enjoy living in a nation that wasn't a hopeless shithole, well-funded by the state, tolerated by the public...

He briefly wondered why the ocean appeared to be much closer, now.

From: The Christian-Socialist Republic
To: Whom it may concern, Union of Communist Nations
Subject: Membership of the Christian-Socialist Republic in the Union of Communist Nations

There have been complications, and our delegation will arrive about a week later than originally expected. I hope this little inconvenience isn't a problem.

~ Faizah Ugande, Foreign Minister of the Christian-Socialist Republic

Replacing the generals was easy, and indeed, done within the hour.

Finding another plane on the other hand...

OOC: I'm commited to my region.

OOC: I'm commited to my region.

[OOC: Word.]

If my region accepts,I'd wish to merge my region,United Soviet Eternal Area,With the UNION OF COMMUNIST NATIONS.

((OOC: I'd like to apologize for my lack of privation the last several days. I've been addicted to Warhammer 40K: Dark Crusade...but I'll be more active now.))

It was a cold winter Day when the leader of Firemanistan stepped to the podium in the capital of Monroe:

"My peoples of this small country. On Either side of us there is a great power. On one side, the communist machine continues on 24 hours a day continually creating new and more powerful weapons, while on the other side, capitolists are busy building their war-machines as well"

The audience Shivered from the cold that was getting to them as the leader started on the next verse of his speech.

"Sadly, we are in the middle of this great conflict and thus we must do our best to keep both of these powers out of war, or at least off of our lands. At this hour, the Union of Communist Nations and their counterparts, the Anti-Communist Union, are on a possible warcouse which we must not aid or promote. I ask you and your families to keep a skeptical view of this conflict and most importantly, attempt to soothe those around you calling for alliance. Firemanistan is a small country, we have not the military might to fight these foreigners should they invade. I thus bid you a good night."

And so the Audience dispersedback to their houses knowing that they had little to fear.

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Firemanistan is completely neutral, but wishes the Union of Communist Nations well. We hope you and the capitalists can work things out peacefully.