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France quietly informs Washington that neutral shipping of non-war materiel to any nation in Europe may pass through the territorial waters of French African possessions, if such a route is desired.

--Weapons orders should be able to be delivered to Rumania and Russia and any other nation who wishes to "buy American."

--The French are discretely thanked for the offer. Merchant men may end up using Algiers as a port on the way to the Black Sea.

--After meetings in London between officials from the Navy Department and Admirality, the United States and Britain issue a joint statement.


Let it be known

That the United Kingdom of Great Britain and the United States of America hereby declare the rights of all persons to conduct righteous and peaceful trade upon the World's Oceans without the disturbance of belligerent nations.

The Royal Navy and her constiuents (RAN, RCN, RIN, RSAN) and the United States Navy hereby swear to uphold these God given rights by any means necessary.

Construction of new superdreadnaughts continues unabated, but there is relief in Washington as it becomes clear that the buildup is no longer an arms race with Britain but a more universal defense of commerce.

SIC:
The Republic of China asks for American help in possibly improving its military to modern standards.

We have been forced to turn down our other foreign sources, primarily those from the German Empire, and we had heard of and remember your military's success abroad in the Caribbean and in the Spanish American War. So we believe you may be a good solution to our problem.

The United States quickly agrees to take up the slack where the Germans have failed and sends military advisors to the RoC as trainers.

The United States quickly agrees to take up the slack where the Germans have failed and sends military advisors to the RoC as trainers.

We thank the USA for its assistance in this regard.

The RoC Army also sends secret inquiries to Colt about purchasing Springfield rifles in 8mm Mauser, which is the primary rifle round of choice for the RoC at this time. They also quietly field offers to various American gunmakers about producing 8mm Mauser ammunition for them, if they have the rights to. If not, then the RoC can switch to the .30-06 round used by the USA.

Spain requests 3 (4.5 Tech) Destroyer Flottillas to be used in the protectionof shipping in the Mediterranian. Spain unfortunitly can not pay for these in 1911, as domestic improvements have taken precedence. But due to the current war, these ships are needed now. Spain will pay immiedietly in 1912 for the ships to be used, and promises further purchases of ships from the United States in the future. Right now we request these due to the lack of destroyers in our Mediterranian Fleet.

We thank the USA for its assistance in this regard.

The RoC Army also sends secret inquiries to Colt about purchasing Springfield rifles in 8mm Mauser, which is the primary rifle round of choice for the RoC at this time. They also quietly field offers to various American gunmakers about producing 8mm Mauser ammunition for them, if they have the rights to. If not, then the RoC can switch to the .30-06 round used by the USA.

OOC: uhhhh...."yes"....

I'm not real good with real specifics on weapons, but I expect the US can fulfill your needs unless a mod tells me otherwise.

Spain requests 3 (4.5 Tech) Destroyer Flottillas to be used in the protectionof shipping in the Mediterranian. Spain unfortunitly can not pay for these in 1911, as domestic improvements have taken precedence. But due to the current war, these ships are needed now. Spain will pay immiedietly in 1912 for the ships to be used, and promises further purchases of ships from the United States in the future. Right now we request these due to the lack of destroyers in our Mediterranian Fleet.

The United States regretfully has no room in its budget to lay down these ships for the Spanish in 1911. It would appear that this year has been a trying one for us all. However, Madrid is assured that all it needs to do is remain neutral in this war to guarantee that the British and/or Americans will keep the seas safe for merchants.

1911 Builds:

Industry: 168
Commerce: 48
Domestic Resources: 60
Colonial Resources: 12
Foreign Resources (client states): 11
Unused Oil: 11.5
Unused Coal: 3 (7 coal to France and 1 coal to Britain for 8 points--11)
Domestic Food Sales: 23.2
Colonial Food Sales: 1.7
Repayment of Debts: 2.5
--348.9 Points to Spend--

Market Economy Government Cuts Mode = 5% growth of total minus maintenence and social services
--14.83 Additional Production Centers in 1912--

Population Growth
--1 million by 1912--

Domestic Expenditures:
Level 2 Social Safety Net for US--19.2 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Cuba--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Haiti--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Philippines--1.5 points
Upkeep Intelligence Agency--5 points
Other Intel Missions--4 points
Total--30.2 points

Maintenence Costs:
US Navy=31.8 points
US Army=6.6 points
US Army Reserve=9.25 points
US Marine Corps=1.75 points
Total Maintenence--49.4 points

Military Expenditures:
6 Superdreadnaughts--36 points (year 1 of 3)
4 Superbattlecruisers--20 points (year 1 of 3)
5 Dreadnaughts ( upgrades to super while under construction--repeat year 1 of 3)--10 points
Continue Construction on 4 Dreadnaughts (year 3 of 3)--16 points
*All 4 Dreads refitted during construction to oil burning--8 points (year 1 of 2)*
10 Battlecruisers--40 points (year 3 of 3)
*8 Battlecruisers refitted during construction to oil burning--16 points (year 1 of 2)*
9 Light Cruisers--9 points (year 2 of 2) (to replace tech 4 CPs)
6 New Light Cruisers--6 points (year 1 of 2) (to replace tech 4 CPs)
2 Long Range Sub Flotillas--16 points
2 Coast Defense Units--6 points
Total: 183 points

Foreign Expenditures:
Panama Canal Construction--2 points
Aid to Peru--3 points
Aid to Haiti and Cuba--Upkeep 2 Garrison Units (one each)-0.5 points
Aid to Haiti--15 points for production center (year 4 of 4)
Open Aid to Republic of China--15 points
Secret Aid to Republic of China--10 points
Aid to Albania--4 points
Aid to Bulgaria--6 points
Loan to Austria-Hungary--11 points
Loan to Russia--8 points
Naval Base in Bergen, Norway--6 points
Aid to Mexico--4 points
Aid to Greece--1.5 points
Total: 86 points

Totals: 30.2 + 49.4 + 183 + 86 = 348.85
0.3 points left to spend/in reserve

Spain regrets that the United States misunderstood Spanish requests. Spain did not wish for the United States to lay down or build destroyers for Spain. This we could easily do on our own next year. We wished to use destroyers already in the US Navy that were considered extra. And we would pay for them next year.

Spain regrets that the United States misunderstood Spanish requests. Spain did not wish for the United States to lay down or build destroyers for Spain. This we could easily do on our own next year. We wished to use destroyers already in the US Navy that were considered extra. And we would pay for them next year.

Ah, then the United States regrets that Spain has misunderstood the current order of battle for the USN. Only one flotilla of older (tech 4.5) destroyers is currently serving and these are currently on patrol in the Pacific Ocean and not for sale. The USN also has 6 flotillas of newer (tech 5) destroyers active in various corners of the globe, but current plans are to expand this portion of the fleet next year, not shrink it through sales to other nations.

We see, we hope that Great Britain shall have the capabilities of sending up these badly needed ships. If not, we will build them ourselves. But we thank you for the time.

Just a suggestion, but why don't you use your spare funds to give the Phillipenes Social level 2 spending?

heh. Likely because I am silly and didnt notice? Good idea--that should be updated now. Thanks

You haven't changed it? Anyway, what were the prices on those battleships you were going to sell the Ottoman Empire?

Spain continues to watch the 1911 USS Maine precedings, though it's mostly historians and archeologists who pay any attention to it at all.

Spain wishes to have an audience with the President.

Spain continues to watch the 1911 USS Maine precedings, though it's mostly historians and archeologists who pay any attention to it at all.

Spain wishes to have an audience with the President.

A short audience can be granted--time constraints unfortunately and various crises mean that Roosevelt will only have a few minutes with the Spanish ambassador, but he will be sure to use the time wisely.

Spain will take it's audience as it can. Once again it will send it's old soldier ambassador (Spain changes ambassadors with Presidents.) to the President.

"Currently Spain is concerned with Germany, it's limiting trade and the Ottomans are alarming everyone. While we know that the United States normally sticks to the Americas and does not concern itself with Europe, Europe is the seat of civilization. If Europe tears itself apart, then it can not be helped that the rest of the world will suffer. Possibly go into chaos as colonies tear themselves apart from their mother countries. Not in civilized war like the American Revolution, but in guerilla warfare symbolic of the Cuban Revolution. Therefore, Spain has asked me to see where the US stands in all this. If it might be possible to get Americans more interested in the fate of Europe. After all, it might be that the United States holds the key to helping evolve against the autocratic monarchies of Germany and Russia."

(Of course forgetting that Spain has no Duma or legistlative branch at all. And that her fledgling Republican "local" voting is only 5 years old.)

Despite the general apathy of the American public toward global events that do not affect them directly, there are those in the American government who are fully aware of the dangers of an unstable Europe.

However, the United States is a neutral power in this terrible conflict. Only one nation currently at war possesses what could be called a colonial empire, so for now concerns in this regard are not so relevant. Should other nations like France find themselves drawn into the war this may become more of a concern. But in English we have a euphemism you may be familiar with--we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

Rest assured, it is not in Washington's interest, or anyone else's to see Europe unbalanced. For now though we can only call for peace, hope for the best, and perhaps prepare for the worst.

We can understnad, but Spain forwarns the United States that Germany's successes may make it too bold, and France and her Catholic allies may be drawn into war no matter what reservations we may have. And the Ottomans being involved has put the war on a whole new footing.

This government has already condemned the Ottoman entry of the war (Eastern War thread) and the escalation of hostilities that it represents. For Germany to contemplate invading Russia would imply that she and her allies are already too bold, but the results of that effort remain to be seen.

War often comes despite our best intentions and all of Europe, both the nations at war and those that are currently neutral knows this lesson. I wish your nation good luck sir as we all pray that this storm may pass us by unscathed.

OOC: Post Number One Thousand!

IC: As summer reaches its climax, the United States finds itself at relative calm compared to the rest of the world. News of horrific battles of unprecedented scale in Russia cross the Atlantic where to most citizens they are merely a diversion to read about. The idea that God should be praised for putting an ocean between the nation and the chaos of Europe is pretty damn universal.

In Washington though, the mood would belay the national sense of calm. The battles in Europe are followed closely as the War Department learns the value of concentrating forces for an assault for maximum effect. And to add insult to injury the talks in the capital concerning the South Americans manage to collapse when the Argentinians lose control of their own nation and the other delegates walk out in frustration.

The US remains quietly observing the mess as the Argentine Army advances on Buenos Aires. Washington does not take a side formally in the civil war, though it is worthy of note that no aid is offered to the government in its struggle. The Bolivians are promised assistance in rebuilding in 1912 and while the Brazilians and Chileans are thanked for their patience in this matter, the US takes a step back from interfering directly in South American affairs for the time being.

That chaos in Mexico is beginning to attract more attention...

The new Republic of Poland asks America for a loan(12 points) to be repaid with interest once the current hostilities end. Poland promises not to use a cent on military expenditures(for economic improvement).

Japan asks for economic aid to help build a production center each in Manchuria and korea (as i can't export growth there)

The new Republic of Poland asks America for a loan(12 points) to be repaid with interest once the current hostilities end. Poland promises not to use a cent on military expenditures(for economic improvement).

Russia's ambassador to the US asks that the US does NOT do this, as the "Republic" of Poland is in fact a puppet regime run by Germany and is not recognized by a single neutral nation.

Spain wonders if the United States can lend .25 points to Spain this year. (Need it for something to even out.)

OOC: I feel like a bank or something...

IC: The Spanish are told that unfortunately all expenditures for 1911 are locked in. Ironically, the last bit of slack was used to increase social spending in the Philippines, but this information is not necessarily communicated to Madrid. (if I misunderstood the request and you want it for 1912, that is something else entirely)

The Japanese are basically told "we'll" see. 1912 Budget is still in the works and a great deal of figuring needs to be done. The war in Europe is soaking up most available US capital in the form of loans and for the Japanese to be competitive, they would have to be willing to pay the 25% interest that other nations are paying right now.

The representatives of Poland are informed that at this time their nation has no credit (in a monetary sense) internationally. Naturally, US investors have the legitimate fear that as Poland may cease to exist by the time this war is over, there is a great deal of risk in releasing funds. Should the war end on terms favorable to the Coaltion, the United States would be more than happy to recognize Poland and provide low interests loans to assist in rebuilding.

When news of this hits the press, the Polish and German communities are not particularly pleased, claiming foul in the policy of neutrality. Roosevelt makes a number of speeches pointing out that the Germans (in a nation the US currently recognizes) have not asked for loans and that in the case that they do, said loans would be granted at the same rate given the Russians, and Ottomans, and Austrians, and any other warring powers. Washington is not going to take sides in this struggle.

The United States again calls for an end to hostilities. This time more specifically for a return to prewar borders and arbitration by a neutral power.

(Yeah I meant 1912, not 1911.)

I expect I will have a quarter point to spare in 1912.

Please specify the year you would like the money in your post--this strange time schedule makes things even more difficult than usual and it is not always clear if loans are requested for the current year or the next.

OOC: 25% interest?!
IC:

The Americans are informed that Japan does not need the aid that much, but thatnks them for considering the offer

Spain wishes for the .25 points of aid by April of 1912.

A severe Great Lakes storm, known forevermore as the "White Hurricane" creates havoc from November 7 - 10, 1911

(ooc which means you get to miss this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_Storm_of_1913)

Serious damage results

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US down 20 production points this year, plus 2 merchant shipping units are damaged (require 1 point each of repair), plus a production center in Chicago is damaged (12 points to fix)(that production center once fixed only provides 1 point in 1912)

Probably should just make this known, so I can RP some stuff later. 1912 Presidential Election will be between Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt.

I am aware of several very sound reasons why TR might not run again, but there are a number of good ones for him to stick with it as well. I hope to post details when I have more time.

EDIT: Reasoning

Against: TR running in 1908 could be construed as technically his second term in his own right. By 1912 he has been president for over a decade and is clearly reaching for far more than any other previous president by running again. How the American people would react to this is uncertain. Also, historically Teddy stepped aside and hand-selected his successor in 1908 and spent the next few years exploring possible avenues for more excitement and adventure. This seems just as plausable a path now.

For: The world is (surprise surprise) a nasty place in this timeline than in RL. TR has had to deal with a number of crises that didnt exist, not least an unpleasant showdown with the French, chaos in China, and an enormous (and still growing?) war in Europe. The Presidency is exciting enough. Most Americans may not care about foreign events, but Teddy is fully aware of the importance of these things. Now is simply not a good time to step down (and in RL FDR made a similar decision when facing a war in Europe). In addition, the American people have had the opportunity to make him a President with normal terms but reelected him instead in 1908. Many are used to having TR around and see nothing additionally ominous about a President in office for 14 years compared to one in office for 10.

Conclusion: This is not to say that this race wont be ridiculously close as many citizens will have their unease at this move overwhelm TR's popularity. However, in 1912 when Teddy really did run against Wilson and Taft he did suprisingly well. Without Taft to split the Republican vote, I am predicting a close win for Roosevelt.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

OOC: KNowing TR's personality, he'd have stuck with it. Problem of his death in the early 20's is a problem though.

A number of sources mention that Roosevelt's trip to South America after he retired from the Presidency (including TR himself) probably cut 10 years off of his life. Now, he wont be President for nearly that long, but he should survive longer than that. The Presidency is not quite so straining on the body as terrible fevers from the Amazon.

OOC: I suppose.

Spain wonders if the United States would be willing to supply certain military goods to Spain in 1913. Mostly in relation to ammunition.

Yes, the US can supply ammunition and other war goods to the Spanish, as is national policy toward all nations who wish to "buy American." The United States will also sell to warring powers, provide it does not have to violate any blockades in the process.

Considering that a blockade is an affront and a breach of neutrals rights to freedom of the seas, Spain does not understand how free neutral shipping can violate it's violation.

Other than this, Spain wishes to continue to purchase United States oil and coal, and wishes to once again hope that American shipping can continue to supply it to our country under severe conditions.

Conclusion: This is not to say that this race wont be ridiculously close as many citizens will have their unease at this move overwhelm TR's popularity. However, in 1912 when Teddy really did run against Wilson and Taft he did suprisingly well. Without Taft to split the Republican vote, I am predicting a close win for Roosevelt.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.
[OOC- Where's La Follette?!?! The Wisconsinite in me had to demand it. Still has that disastrous breakdown?]

If you're selling those battleships, Brazil will buy a few. I haven't done my budget yet but anything to break that damn blockade.

Also, if you're handing out loans anytime soon... :D

Current American policy is to not sell naval vessels to nations at war. This has held true in Europe for nearly a year and will continue to be true in South America.

As for the matter of loans, the US is willing to resume its annual aid packages to Brazil and other South American nations (which i might point out you dont have to pay back) as soon as this nasty business over the Rio Plata is over with.

Germany is asking for a 12 points loan to be payed off after the wars end.

The German request is granted, at the now standard 25% interest rate. 15 points to be returned after the war is over.

News of this reaches the national papers, and is used as evidence by many that the US is actually a true neutral in this conflict, loaning money to the Russians and the major Coalition members.

Serbia is asking for a loan of 2 points to be paid within one to two years.

France requests a loan of 14 points to finish a production center in Algiers. As France will be unable to repay the US for some time, the Third Republic will opt for the 25% interest plan for a later date or payment.

SIC:
The French ambassador inquires as to whether the United States would like French support (purely diplomatic) in its efforts in South America, or if it would prefer that France simply remain silent on the issue. France will defer to the United States in the matter, citing the Monroe Doctrine and America's "sandbox" of the Western Hemisphere.

the US Secretary of the Treasury warns Roosevelt that continued loans to warring powers increase the risk of a major impact on the US economy if those debtors default (likely if they lose the war)

ooc
by the way, when you as a player loan points, what you are actually doing is providing loan guarantees, not actually lending the money. Major banks do that.

The KMT Government asks the US Government and major US banking firms if a 3 point loan may be possible.

Russian intelligence has confirmed a Japanese attack on Russia come June. Russia's represenatives to the US urge them to put sanctions on Japan should they declare war, reminding them that a German-Japanese power block in domination of Europe and Asia would be very bad for US interests. They also point out that the war is entirely one of aggression by the Germans and the Japanese against the Russians. Russia has done nothing to provoke a Japanese attack and the Japanese are simply making a grab for territory and land gain.

The Third Republic looks across the Atlantic to its fellow republicans in the United States, and requests assistance as Lafayette once assisted the Americans. France is in need of funds, and will pay back the United States at set interest rates after the end of the war.

OOC: As many points as you can spare after going to normal spending would be nice, old buddy ;). Hell, a few CLs would be great...I'll even pay for them upfront.

News of the French Declaration of War on Germany strikes the United States with a thunderclap. It is obvious to all that this war is rapidly expanding into the most terrible the world has yet seen. Those citizens more astute in geography predict conflicts erupting all over the globe as colonial wars erupt between the great powers. This will truly be a World War.

Aware of the dangers this expansion will be to neutral shipping in the Atlantic and the instability of the world, President Roosevelt leans on Congress to authorize unprecedented government spending to assure the safety of American interests. The nasty developments in South America prove that the US must be on its guard against dangers from all directions.

OOC: By July, the United States is on Normal Spending. With 98 production centers this affords an extra 98 points for the last half of the year. This of course assumes this move is Mod approved as I believe it is, and that my calculations are correct.

The French are thanked for the offer of their support over the matter of Brazil unusually sincerely given the recent relations with Washington, but Paris is reminded that they have far more pressing things to worry about than South America.

The French loan of 14 points for its industrial center is confirmed. Paris is told that it may borrow another 26 points in 1912 should it wish to, for a total of 40 points with 50 to be paid back after the war.

The Imperial Chinese government points out that since France is allied to Russia, and Russia is allied to Imperial China, perhaps the US would be willing to lend Imperial China funds needed to begin the process of industralization.

Would the US be willing to pay the Imperial Chinese government 6 points a year for 4 years to build an industrial center in exchange for naval anchorage rights at Tsingtao?

Seeing that American Neutrality allows for the lending of points to any side (Belligerent or not), the Bulgarian Government applies for a loan.

Spain knows that the United States is beliggered by loans, so Spain requests the use of 30 points at the begining of 1913. This will allow for the USA to not have one more request in this begining section.

The United States vacilitates on the aid to Imperial China until it can confirm the measure with the RoC (although it is pointed out that it might be nice to have both Chinas on the same side, and therefore friendly to eachother.) However, the US government is shocked, shocked I say, to be accused of preferring Russia and the French to the Coalition.

:cool:

As the Spanish do not want their money until 1913, they are sent away with a "probably, but lets see"

And bankers who suddenly realize just how much capital is flowing out of the country to warring powers who may default on their loans begin petitioning Washington to rein in on the spending. As a result, the Bulgarians are warily asked "how much do you want?"

The small loan of 3 points to the KMT is confirmed.

Spain thanks the United States for it's time. And also states that the SPanish Navy will protect US shipping to SPain as it protects Spanish shipping to the United States.

As the US navy was planning on doing the exact same thing should the situation require it, this offer causes a great deal of bemusement in Washington. Just over a decade ago Spanish and American ships were shooting at each other and now they will now be working together for the protection of neutral interests...

(It is rather funny.)

Spain also commends the United States for using trade embargo to try and stem Japanese agression. While France, Italy, and Spain are going to help a country that has been opprotunistically attacked, Japan is simply looking for new land to expand on.

Also the ambassador to the US from SPain has a son in the army. We hope that this will not occur, but if he is pulled out suddenly, the United States should not be alarmed as the worst has simply happened and he must return home for a month for proper burial. (Ergo if suddenly a major ambassador is sent in a hurry, don't think it's anything diplomatically major. It's a personal thing. Just so there is no major news stories saying SPain is hostile to the US again sorta thing. SPain is very careful with those things.)

Siam asks for a loan of 10 points in 1912.

In the meantime, the generals who are running the show make it very clear that the USA will have no more problems with the Siamese government, the King being effectively transformed into a figurehead.

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Which is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497568&page=49)...

OOC: anyway....back to the action!

IC:

It becomes apparent rather quickly in 1912, that in this presidential election there are only two topics of concern. Is Teddy Roosevelt overstepping by reaching for another term--practically his fourth and his 3rd earned himself? If the answer to this is no, then Americans must decide if TR is the man to lead them through this time of crises in the world.

Initially the Democratic campaign with Wilson starts off strong. A number of accusations against TR, (the most effective of which points out that he has already had a decade in the White House, more than any other President) loosens Republican control on a number of swing states. In spring when war breaks out in South America despite Washington's best efforts, Wilson takes a brief, small lead in the polls. Nervousness about loans to Russia help with this as well.

It is a short lived victory. The expansion of the war in June and strong US response to Japan and Brazil remind the American public why Teddy Roosevelt is the most popular president of the age. Quite honestly, he is goddamn effective at what he does. Though both campaigns promise to keep the Americans out of the war, Roosevelt is perceived as having far more backbone than the Princeton professor. By the end of June TR is leading in the polls again 56% to 44%

More updates as time progresses...

France immediately begins pressuring the United States to stop allowing Siam to purchase warships from American shipyards when those ships are going to be used to attack French possessions in Southeast Asia (the fact that the attack is unprovoked, and that French rule has been working towards improving the lot of native Indochinese through education and social spending, is very much emphasized).

France also requests that America withdraw its military advisors from Siam, as keeping them there calls into queston American neutrality.

Siam asks for a loan of 10 points in 1912.


Following the unification of the Vietnamese and Siamese thrones, Siam re-applies for a loan, pointing out that at this point the ideological differences are clear: The Siamese are fighting to liberate their Asian brothers from the oppression of French Empire, while the French are fighting for the resources they continually gain off the back of the Indochinese people.

Siam also notes with extreme displeasure the United States' guarantee of Hainan's independence. Not only does this give France a naval base right off the Siamese coast, but the United States' guarantee of "independence" while at the same time not only allowing, but actually transporting French troops to "neutral" Hainan in order to ensure that Hainan remains a French puppet state.

Denmark approaches the US to secure a 12 point loan for 1913. The loan is to enhance it's merchant capability and strengthen the Danish economy through the hardtimes that may lie ahead.

Loans:
--A "probably yes, lets see" to Denmark for 1913 (you want pay back immediate 10% interest or delayed 25% interest?)
--A "how about something smaller, like 6 points" to Siam in 1912

Foreign Affairs:

The United States purchases in June French Polynesia, Tahiti (and its naval base) and the surrounding islands for 15 points and the cancelation of interest on a 40 point loan. Coincidently, Washington now recognizes the Republic of Hainan and guarantees its independence. The French garrisons in Polynesia are to be transported to Hainan where they will remain the rest of the war in a defensive posture to assist that Republic. One American Torpedo Boat flotilla and Garrison unit are to be transfered to the territory to defend it.

Siam is informed that to insure American neutrality, advisors will temporarily remain dormant in the Siamese capital. Should Siam believe that they are only a burden there for the duration of the war (since they wont exactly be advising), the United States will withdraw them until a later date.

The Siamese protest regarding Hainan are simply not responded to. Rumblings begin in the US government regarding the Siamese right to purchase warships, but for now no action is taken toward modifying that policy.

Also of note, the US officially guarantees the independence of the Republic of China. The Japanese are bluntly informed that unprovoked expansion into this nation of the variety already seen against Russia will result in an immediate, damn strong American response.

Rather interesting comments from a country that stabbed France in the back.

Spain wonders if a certain Spanish artist may show his gallery in New York City, or any other major US city. At this time we believe he would be much more useful there. His name? Pablo Piccasso.

(Piccasso is a well known pacifist, and this is SPain's way of getting him out of their hair without harming or jailing him. He's rather voicterious about speaking out against war, so it's better Spain just get him into another country. It also shows Spanish culture to the United States so people get a familiarity with it. SO it's a double rational.)

Also of note, the US officially guarantees the independence of the Republic of China. The Japanese are bluntly informed that unprovoked expansion into this nation of the variety already seen against Russia will result in an immediate, damn strong American response.

PM Song Jiaoren and President Chaing Kai Shek issue a statement, thanking President Roosevelt for his "unwavering support of the Republic of China."

We are looking to pay the load back as quickly as possible, as such the 10% would be appropriate if indeed we could pay 3.3 points off every year for 4 consecutive years

We thank you for your consideration

Minister of Finance <signature>

Siam agrees to a six-point loan in 1912, but asks for a much larger amount -20 points- in 1913, and offers to pay 30% interest instead of the usual 25%.

Rather interesting comments from a country that stabbed France in the back.

Spain wonders if a certain Spanish artist may show his gallery in New York City, or any other major US city. At this time we believe he would be much more useful there. His name? Pablo Piccasso.

(Piccasso is a well known pacifist, and this is SPain's way of getting him out of their hair without harming or jailing him. He's rather voicterious about speaking out against war, so it's better Spain just get him into another country. It also shows Spanish culture to the United States so people get a familiarity with it. SO it's a double rational.)

Unless there is a specific restriction against the travel of an individual, the United States as a free country has no issue with foreign artists visiting. Spain need not even ask.

Thank you. THough we would request that you occupy him til the war is over.

On July 1st 1912 the United States Army Air Corps is commissioned as the first of two observation plane wings come online. The use of airplanes in the European War is a news story closely followed by American officials who pressed for training to begin in these techniques. Stories of actual air-to-air combat seriously impress many, but since at this time no US planes have the perfomance to match these "fighters," aircraft enthusiasts must content themselves with recon duty for now.

A series of exercises are scheduled that will assign these planes to work with the 1st Infantry Corps which is undergoing retraining as plans accelerate for a modernization of the US army (pressed forward by President Roosevelt of course). However, for now there is just a small ceremony as a squadron of planes flies by in formation for the President, Cabinet, and Congressional officials in northern Virginia.

The United States is asked to support Spain in requesting it's civilian shipping crews back from Japan. As civilians they have the rights under the Geneva Convention to be returned as non-combatents to their home country.

News of the horrific bloodletting in Europe makes big news in all of the papers. Most Americans are glad to be well out of it, but some begin to wonder if the US should step in and help end it.

Support for that is weak though, only about 20% of the population. Opinion is still very divided as to supporting either the Allies or Coalition, and most people still feel that the US should act as a neutral broker, or not at all.

Spain starts to put out an anti-Japanese news campaign in the United States. THey buy newspaper article settings, and dozens of other things. THe case of Japan's attack on what was effectivly neutral shipping. Of their expansionist ways in Asia.

The articles play on AMerican fears of Japanese expansion Eastward instead of westward, and of course American racism towards Asians, that was risen by the Chinese in the latter half of the 19th century. Who rights them are left unclear, and Spain makes sure that the newspapers themselves can pick up on the stories.

(Putting a whole point into this for 1913.)

Spain starts to put out an anti-Japanese news campaign in the United States. THey buy newspaper article settings, and dozens of other things. THe case of Japan's attack on what was effectivly neutral shipping. Of their expansionist ways in Asia.

The articles play on AMerican fears of Japanese expansion Eastward instead of westward, and of course American racism towards Asians, that was risen by the Chinese in the latter half of the 19th century. Who rights them are left unclear, and Spain makes sure that the newspapers themselves can pick up on the stories.

(Putting a whole point into this for 1913.)

OOC: Americans are racist, but relations with China (or at least part of it) are better in this timeline than they would have been. I would hope the atagonism toward the Asians is at least minimally improved in this timeline.

IC: The United States requests (and in fact requires) that if the Spanish government is going to attempt to sway the thoughts of the American public, that all propaganda in US papers be clearly labeled as paid for by the Spanish government. It is noted that other belligerent nations will have an equal chance to pay for advertising...

OOC: Americans are racist, but relations with China (or at least part of it) are better in this timeline than they would have been. I would hope the atagonism toward the Asians is at least minimally improved in this timeline.

IC: The United States requests (and in fact requires) that if the Spanish government is going to attempt to sway the thoughts of the American public, that all propaganda in US papers be clearly labeled as paid for by the Spanish government. It is noted that other belligerent nations will have an equal chance to pay for advertising...

OOC: yea, lets make a nation that's already lost my nation's respect try to get me to return your people....

IC:

Japan responds with similar ads, pointing out that these men could easily be used to man ships to cause casualties to Japan or its allies

Siam asks for a 15 point loan in 1913, and states that most of the loan will be used either to boost Siamese shipping or create industry in Indochina.

Siam asks for a 15 point loan in 1913, and states that most of the loan will be used either to boost Siamese shipping or create industry in Indochina.

Washington confirms this loan after two back-room conferences with the Siamese ambassador. Little else is said on the matter.

OOC: I'm assuming 25% interest for 18.75 in return?

OOC: Yes, at usual US terms

OOC: Of course they also are a country with a whole mess of people.

IC: 11,12,13 and 14 year old cabin boys can be used to man ships to kill Japanese people? It's still a SPanish practice to have "Ships boys" onboard ships. Boys as young as 10 are being held in these prisoner camps. (Which SPain doesn't have the anti-child labor laws the US has at this time. meaning you have children in your camps.) The bogus statement that an 11 year old can be a combatant is ludicrous at best.

(Pictures of the young boys are sent to newspapers. Boys not even reaching puberty, with their names and families are printed.)

Also some of the captains have women and children with them. It's a common practice for ship captains to bring family members if they are travelling long distances. (A practice Spain didn't give up til the 20's) These women and in some cases baby girls are being held captive in Japan. Are they for emergency purposes? This is a ludicrious argument. THey only want to cause Spanish families pain. It's a vindicitive act. And we will let the world know that Japan keeps women and children captive, ignoring the rules of war or any rules of any civilized land anywhere.

(If they were American ships, you'd have gotten away with it. Spanish ships have the rules of 1895 on them. Not 1913. And even 1913 laws on child labor were lax. So you only said 50+ leaving me a huge political disaester to take advantage of. You currenlty have women, children, and young boys. Your argument they can be used for a war effort is ridiculious in the world's eyes. And it's great smear fodder. Sorry, but this one I planned out. )

Currently Spain can not say who sends the articles. They are private companies, and we shall attempt to make them state what companies they are. Some have government backing, so we are sure we can make them listen.

However, Spain shall give Japan the chance to return the women and children. We've requested this. Keep the young men, its your right. BUt women and children have no place in a prisoner camp. Period.

Articles w/o their sources attached and prominently labeled are simply not printed in the United States. This is non-negotiable. The government will reimburse newspapers for their losses in advertising funds. (and I promise you, I can outbid any source the Spanish are using)

Washington has no desire to get drawn into this mess, and "requests" that Madrid clamp down on its noble entrepreneurs. Now.

France requests another US loan for 1913, hopefully as generous as the last (ooc: 40 points?)

We have sent them the message and Spanish newspaper articles will state the company that bought them from now on.

Private Dispatch to Teddy Roosevelt:
As for the request, Spain simply asks that the United States help us in retreaving our children and women from Japanese clutches. That is all. We only wish our innoccents returned home before the barbarians get thier dirty hands on them. Young wifes of captains could be raped at this very moment by Japanese officers. Those who could become combatents are prisoners by rights. But women and children on the other hand. Personally, from the understanding that SPain and the United States have been building these past 14 years since our misunderstanding of 1898. We need help in this matter.

This "mess" may threaten the United States in the Pacific if the expanisonism of the Japanese turns Eastward. It's a real danger. And if they do not make the distinction between a combatant and a 3 year old little girl, where will they end when they decide that Spain's former Pacific colonies look tasty?

Where will it end? We believe that Spain and the United States have become closer. Our sailors mingle with your sailors. Our merchantmen mingle with your merchantmen. It's just reported that a group of Spanish and American Merchantmen banded together against a group of Spanish and American Naval Personell in a bar. It's a small story, but it shows that our unity and peace are growing. And we worry, that the neutrality of the United States is threatened by the hordes of Japan.

Once we have recieved our innoccents, we promise to definetly quiet our newspapers in this issue. In return for this loyalty, Spain will agree to talk to certain nations that cause trouble in the New World. After all, Spain can be a very big help with countries that have ties to the mother country. Even if they are reaching their centenials of freedom. Now of course nto directly, that would impede on the United States hold on the Americans and the Monroe Doctrine, but we know a few things that would be of help.

(Ergo, help me get Japan to return my people, and I'll help you in information on the SOuth Americans so you can quiet them easier.)
Completely Secret Dispatch to the United States. Only for Teddy Roosevelts Eyes.

France requests another US loan for 1913, hopefully as generous as the last (ooc: 40 points?)

The French request is confirmed, but Paris will have to pay interest this time for a total of 50 points.

Note that the total French debt to the United States will be 90 points by the end of 1913...

The Japanese quietly ask the United States is Spain would honestly put 3-year-old girls to man merchant ships

(Not man. Captain's routinly let their families visit them on voyages. It's a common 19th century practice. Since Spain is still in the late 19th century culturally, it remains in that practice. And that report was SECRET SECRET COMMUNIQUE!!! Therefore you couldn't have read it. The kettle is calling the pot black it seems when telling me that things are secret. And my statements have clear markers of secrecy. Just like it was common 19th century practice to have cabin or SHip's boys on voyages who were learning the trade. So thank you, you have women and children prisoners as they are captain's families. And there is no escaping it. They do not man the ships. They are captains families. Read in detail next time.)

The French request is confirmed, but Paris will have to pay interest this time for a total of 50 points.

Note that the total French debt to the United States will be 90 points by the end of 1913...

Wall Street is becoming increasingly nervous about the amount of money flowing into the war. An Allied defeat or inability of the Allies to pay back those loans post war would be a serious problem, in the few of many key Wall Street leaders.

Wall Street is becoming increasingly nervous about the amount of money flowing into the war. An Allied defeat or inability of the Allies to pay back those loans post war would be a serious problem, in the few of many key Wall Street leaders.

The British banking industry decides that continued loans to the warring powers are very high risk and interest rates go up.

ooc
from now on, the British government will have to pay 1.5 points for every 1 point it loans to the any nation currently involved in the war. Obviously the costs can be passed on to the debtor.

IC
The American banking industry immediately falls in behind the British on this. (doesn't effect deals made up to this point, but anything after this)

The United States denies the Spanish request for intervention as there is not enough proof that the Japanese are abusing civilians and it would be more dangerous to move them through a war zone then to leave them where they are for now.

On more economic notes, a OOC question or two for GB.

Does the increased interest rate apply for all deals in 1913--that would be easiest, especially as I will be giving no more money away in 1912? Assuming that...

The French are informed that they should renegotiate their proposed loan for 1913. The present deal will sadly not work. The deal for Denmark, presently a neutral power still holds. The Government assures Wall Street that they will get their money.

The French are informed that they should renegotiate their proposed loan for 1913. The present deal will sadly not work. The deal for Denmark, presently a neutral power still holds. The Government assures Wall Street that they will get their money.

OOC: Actually the interest rate increase only affects loans made after the French deal was agreed to. So it will work.

More Election News: Summer 1912

--Wilson gains support from bankers who are nervous about administration policies toward loans for warring powers. Allied Victories against the Ottoman Empire have a mixed effect here (some banks gave money to the OE, but far more gave to the victors) These people form a loose alliance with German-Americans who approve of Wilson's tacit support of Germany's efforts to free people in Europe for self-determination.

--TR gains support for negotiating a successful end to the South American War. Still, the President's lead in the polls decreases slightly. Of more concern for the Republicans are Congressional races, where nervousness over policy is more pronounced. Polls show that GOP hold on the Senate could be slipping...

OOC: Actually the interest rate increase only affects loans made after the French deal was agreed to. So it will work.

OOC: A good point. I would still like to double check w/ Malkyer to make sure he really needs that much money. I'm fairly nervous about the fallout for this too, and anything to lessen the stress would help.

Not that my stress compares at all to the possiblity of having my nation occupied by the Coalition...

OOC: Does Spain's 30 point loan get considered that or not? We didn't agree to it, so I suppose that I'm out of luck. Alright. By the way Cylea, TGed you, responding to your "shut up" comment. WHich is the third or fourth time you've said that.

Denmark requests to alter it's standard purchase of coal down from 1 point to .36 for the upcoming year, 1913. As it needs to re-allocate funds temporarily to accomodate new Danish Priorities. We will get incontact in regards to our 1914 needs.

Thank you.

As the United States Presidential Race rises to its crescendo, the future of the nation is in the hands of its people.

Teddy Roosevelt, carrying his Republican Party on his shoulders campaigns passionately for an unprecedented third complete term in office that would extend his tenure to 14 years. Foreign policy in the face of a World War and economic impacts at home are the center of the campaign. Roosevelt, feeling in his words "as strong as a Bull Elephant" certainly considers himself up to the challenge.

Whipping the Progressive Branch of his party into action, TR champions a strong federal government to meet the challenges of a world in chaos. Social justice must be guaranteed in the struggle of human welfare versus property rights. There must be a New Nationalism as the economic power of the United States can benefit both its people and the world at large.

The two candidates differ strongly on their approach to the large trusts that have developed in Big Business, but this is a matter of record. Just as importantly, if not more so in this time of crisis is foreign policy.

Under the Roosevelt Administration, the United States as a neutral power has issued loans to warring powers on both sides of the conflict. As the war has dragged on though, it has become more and more apparent that the President at least finds the Allied struggle a far more appealing one than the Coalition. Loans to France and Russia continue unabated while Germany, Austria, and the Ottoman Empire all owe smaller amounts. Most crucially, the Japanese were slapped with a scrap-iron embargo when they invaded Russia. Presumably this was in protest of the expansion of the war, but German-Americans cried foul loudly when France invaded Alscace-Lorraine and received no similar condemnation from the White House.

Wilson in contrast has moved back and forth between a condemnation of increasing desire for US intervention (under the campaign pledge "He'll keep us out of the war!") and sympathy for the Coalition's purported desire to give the Poles and other peoples self-government. And although he is in favor of a modernization of the army, the extent to which TR has tackled the issue (with his usual zeal) seems to him to be excessive.

But then it is time to cast the votes. In easily the closest election (by popular vote with 51.8%) that TR has ever run, he wins the Electoral College and the election by a score of 286 to 245. The Republicans take the West Coast, Northern States, and the Northeast (excepting Wilson's New Jersey). The Midwest is narrowly fought out, mostly because of the strong German presence, with Iowa and Missouri slipping to the Democrats. As usual, the Solid South goes to the Democrats, but this is not quite enough to win the day.

Congress remains Republican controlled again, although the Democrats make substantial gains in the House to nearly break the Republican majority. The Senate, seen as more important to TR's foreign policy (which apparently now has a thin mandate) remains fairly solidly Republican for now.

A jubuliant Roosevelt immediately moves to modernize the army along European lines as discussed during the election. Debate in Congress as the year approaches its end involves an increase in social spending in 1913 and a military build up to assure the United States and its interests remain secure in the coming years...

(Curious though, Teddy was for more interevention. I use the Russo-Japanese war as an example of his way of making people sit at the peace table. WIth him winning for 1913, just curious how that will pan out. It's an interesting though. Despite of course the whole support the Alliance. Of course the blocks to supporting the alliance are less. The German Americans are still pro-German. But because the British are not apart of the Allies, the Anti-British sector, namely Irish Americans, are not for Germany either. So a big puzzle peice is missing.)

Spain sends a notice congratulating Roosevelt on his victory. Perhaps when he has decided that the Presidency has run it's course and he wishes to retire, he may help Spain tackle a future idea for it's country. (Mainly I am the least democratic of the nations, I don't even have a Duma or anything. SO I might set one up in 1915 if I don't get swallowed by Germany.)

Prime Minister Reynaud, former President Doumer, and President Clemenceau congratulate Roosevelt on his electoral victory.

Clemenceau asks if he may make a visit to the United States in February of 1913, in order to discuss several important issues with President Roosevelt. Clemenceau's aides request in a separate telegram that an American vessel transport the French President to and from the states, as the Third Republic cannot risk a German U-boat killing or capturing the President.

1912 Builds:

Industry: 196 (+98)
Commerce: 48
Domestic Resources: 60
Colonial Resources: 12
Foreign Resources (client states): 11
Unused Oil: 9 (-5)
Unused Coal: 4 (7 coal to France and 1 coal to Britain for 8 points--12)
Domestic Food Sales: 22.8
Colonial Food Sales: 1.7
Repayment of Debts: 3.5+6 points from RoC for BC=9.5
--Negative 3 Points from Damaged Chicago and 2 Merchant Marine
--472 Points to Spend--

Market Economy Government Cuts AND Normal Spending Mode = 4% growth of total minus maintenence and social services
--15 Additional Production Centers in 1913--

Population Growth
--1 million by 1913--

Domestic Expenditures:
Level 2 Social Safety Net for US--19.6 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Cuba--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Haiti--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Philippines--1.5 points
Level 1 Social Safety Net for Nicaragua--.25 points
Upkeep Intelligence Agency--5 points
Other Intel Missions--4 points
Repair Production Center in Chicago--12 points
Repair 2 Merchant Marines--2 points
1 Merchant Marine Unit--3 points
2 Passenger Liners (year 1 of 2)--6 points
Total--53.85 points

Maintenence Costs:
US Navy=15.1 points
US Army=8.1 points
US Army Reserve=7.5 points
US Marine Corps=1.75 points
Total Maintenence--32.45 points

Military Expenditures:
11 Superdreadnaughts--66 points (year 2 of 3)
4 Superbattlecruisers--20 points (year 2 of 3)
Refit 4 Dreads to oil burning--8 points (year 2 of 2)
Refit 4 Dreads to oil burning--8 points (year 1 of 2)
Refit 8 Battlecruisers to oil burning--16 points (year 2 of 2)
6 Light Cruisers--6 points (year 2 of 2)
18 New Light Cruisers--18 points (year 1 of 2)
10 Destroyer Flotillas--60 points
6 Minesweeper Flotillas--12 points
2 Observation Plane Units--2 points
2 Escort Flotillas--8 points
1 Long Range Submarine Flotilla--8 points
Upgrade 12 Infantry Corps to Heavy Infantry--12 points
1 Garrison Unit (for French Polynesia)--2 points
Total: 246 points

Foreign Expenditures:
Panama Canal Construction--2 points
Aid to Peru--3 points
Aid to Haiti and Cuba--Upkeep 2 Garrison Units (one each)-0.5 points
Aid to Haiti--2 points to grease palms and Cacos
Aid to Republic of China--15 points
Loan to Russia--30 points
Loan to Ottoman Empire--10 points
Loan to Germany--12 points
Loan to France--40 points
Loan to KMT--3 points
Aid to Greece--4 points
Aid to Red Cross--4 points
Encouragement of Latin American nations--5 points
Purchase of French Polynesia and Tahiti--15 points
Total: 145.5 points

Totals: 53.85 + 32.45 + 246 + 145.5 = 477.8
2.2 points left to spend/in reserve

Major Foreign Policy Initiatives declared by President Roosevelt in December 1912:

--1 Escort Flotilla is assigned to international initiatives. 50% of the unit will be based out of Bergen as part of an International Ice Patrol, and 50% will be based from Bergen as part of the neutral initative sponsered by the Scandinavians to rescue sailors in the Baltic. It is trusted that US sailors will not be drawn into the present conflict. Any attacks on American ships will result in an unpleasant confrontation with Washington...

--President Clemenceau is invited to visit the United States. The US will be more than happy to provide safe transit across the Atlantic and back.

--Construction of various support ships for the US navy will become a priority as the fragility of such vessels has become apparent in numerous clashes across the world's oceans.

--Modernization of the army will continue. Support units such as artillery brigades and other combined arms tactics will be emphasized. President Roosevelt, traditionally a supporter of cavalry tactics is said to be personally directing the Defense Department to examine the potential for mobile battle plans, focusing on new mechanized units and experimentation with new armored units.

--A treaty is signed with Canada allowing the construction of a railroad network running from the United States through Canadian territory and across Alaska. The infastructure should bring that territory into closer contact with the United States.

--The United States once again calls for peace between warring powers. A informal proposal including the ceding of Alscace-Lorraine to France, the independence of Poland and Finland, the restoration of pre-war borders in the Balkans, and reduction of the Ottoman Empire (but otherwise just return to borders) is quietly floated in foreign capitals to gauge support.

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--The United States once again calls for peace between warring powers. A formal proposal including the ceding of Alscace-Lorraine to France, the independence of Poland and Ukraine, the restoration of pre-war borders in the Balkans, and reduction of the Ottoman Empire (but otherwise just return to borders) is quietly floated in foreign capitals to gauge support.

Russia quietly lets the US government now that it is willing to allow the Poles independence, but utterly rejects indepence for the Ukraine and demands that the Ottoman Empire be utterly destroyed for it's treacherous attack.

OOC: Oh, i forgot this one. Actually just as important.

IC: The United States also declares that as an extension of the Monroe Doctrine it will not condone the expansion of the general war into the Americas. Any European colonies that are presently controlled in Americas are of no particular importance to the general war effort. As such, no siezure of these possessions by the opposite side are to be considered. The United States will move to maintain the status quo if necessary.

(specifically a clear reference to French Guinea. If the Coalition wants it that badly they can beat the French and take it after the war.)

February, 1913
Georges Clemenceau, President of the Third Republic of France, walked in to the Oval Office for his meeting with his American counterpart. Extending his hand, he spoke in clear English, with a Northern accent and a slight rolling of the “r” that gave him away as a speaker of Romance languages.

“Monsieur President, I thank you for allowing me to meet with you, and most especially for providing transport to your country from France. Normally a head of state should not have to resort to such, but we have all seen that the cowardly and dishonorable German state has no moral compunction against killing the heads of states they find themselves in conflict with.

“I must first thank you profusely for the substantial amounts of loans your nation has given to France and Russia over the course of this war. It has proven invaluable, as has your statement of protection for our last American holding in Guyana; it has lessened the stress France feels in these trying times.”

Clemenceau paused, tired from his journey. He and Roosevelt shared a light drink and made idle conversation for a few minutes, before settling into the business at hand.

“You are an astute man, Mr. Roosevelt, and I am quite certain you know full well at least some of the reasons I make this journey. Right now in Europe, in Africa, in the Middle East, and in the far east of Asia, the Third Republic of France and the Empire of Russia, along with our allies in Spain, Italy, Imperial China, and the exiled governments of Rumania and Greece, are waging war against a coalition of authoritarian powers hostile to democracy. Even as Russia labored to increase accountability in its government and institute democratic reforms, the Germans funded separatist elements within Russia, culminating in revolts in the western reaches of that Empire and the cowardly assassination of the Tsar and his family. Finally, the Kaiser in Berlin ordered his army to invade Russia, with no provocation and without reason. In the Far East, Japan, whose only goal was its greedy desire to obtain more land to grind beneath its imperial jackboot, attacked both Russia and France.”

“The Coalition of Germany and its cronies claim to be assisting the peoples of Eastern Europe, helping them to gain independence, but it has in truth brought them nothing but war and repression. Germany only wishes to create a series of puppet states along its eastern frontier, to further its control of European affairs. Meanwhile, the Austrians seem intent on stripping Serbia of everything and leaving the people with nothing, while the Ottomans are determined to make as many Armenians suffer as possible. The Coalition is an alliance of cruelty and domination, nothing more; yet they have the audacity to call the Russian Empire evil for its execution of some few dozen Finnish traitors, even as Petrograd granted Finland full and meaningful independence, and has promised to return its Chinese territories to China after the war has ended. I can tell you this: France and Russia have agreed to support an independent Poland, but a German puppet in Warsaw, like a puppet in Helsinki, is absolutely unacceptable. And in Asia, I can inform you honestly that France is in favor of seeing that all of Japan’s possessions on the mainland are returned to their rightful owners in China. France itself has already recognized the legitimacy of the takeover of Yunnan by the Republic of China, and we recognize that Republic as the sole legitimate ruler of Yunnan, and do not contest this.

“Even in the face of such a devilish Coaltion, in our righteous might the Allies are poised for victory in Europe and the Middle East. French, Italian, and Spanish troops sit on the bank of the Rhine, and French and Russian cavalry patrols shook hands in the Syrian desert months ago. There is much time left yet in this war, true, but the Allies are on the road to victory. It is only on the sea that the war remains undecided. I daresay you are already aware of the potential dangers a combined German-Japanese fleet in the Pacific, or God forbid in the Atlantic, poses to American interests? Both powers have shown themselves aggressively expansionistic, caring not for justice or even excuse or pretext in their rampant imperialism. It is because German and Japanese dominance of the seas is unacceptable to the just and civil powers of the world that I ask that France be able to purchase the older vessels of the United States Navy (ooc: tech level 4.5 warships), so that our navy may continue to fight until our own modern ships finish construction next year. France will of course pay for all of the ships, after the war, when we pay for the loans you so generously agreed to grant us. After all, these obsolete ships no longer serve the needs of the United States Navy, and their costs of maintenance are merely a burden on your economy. Sell them to France, that we may have some use out of them. And if you may, please include some of your excellent light cruisers, and even more generously, the battle cruisers Wasp and Hornet, that we may sting the Germans.

“I cannot emphasize enough that an Allied victory is the best way to preserve democracy on the European continent, of securing lasting peace and prosperity and freedom. The American and French Republics are allies forever, squabbling occasionally, yet united in their commitment to preservation of the Rights of Men and the Rule of Law. I ask you to remember that a red Cap of Liberty from the French Revolution is on the U.S. Department of the Army seal, beneath the words ‘This we’ll defend.’ Monsieur Roosevelt, I ask you to remember Lafayette and his help in America’s hour of need, and to think of Lady Liberty, standing proud in New York harbor. The hour of grave resolutions has come: it is a question, for France, of life or death. There, on the other side of the Rhine, is a strong and great nation that has the right to live, but not to crush all independent life in Europe. Russia has the choice of suicide or resistance. Our case is no different. If Russia, standing alone, is beaten, it will only be a matter of time before France is dispatched: then America and Britain’s turn will come.

“If the weight of morality and justice has not swayed you, I expect rewards shall fail too, but all the same France is willing to allow the United States naval bases in Guyana and Morocco, and I am sure it could be arranged that you, Mr. Roosevelt, be awarded the Legion of Honor after the war, and be made an honorary officer of the Légion Étrangére or the Chasseurs d’Afrique, whichever appeals more to your character.”

His speech and proposal finished, Clemenceau took a breath and waited for the American President’s response.

US Navy begins experimenting with refueling at sea using tankers and destroyers

The Navy expects to have the procendure mastered in 5 years.

On a secondary note, the US Navy wants to refit or replace all coal burning warships to improve flexibility

The Navy also begins a second series of flights of warships using seaplanes and aircraft with wheels operating off temporary take off decks.

Recovering aircraft aboard ship is still an issue though.

The Royal Navy is conducting similar experiments

ooc
RL actions

Malkyer's Uber-Speech...

The President of the United States leaned back in his chair. The room was quiet for a moment, except for the drumming of Roosevelt's fingers against his leg. He may not have been as fit as at his prime, but TR's eyes still showed the flare of energy that fueled his famous zeal.

"Mr. Clemenceau," he began. "It has been a number of years since our two nations found themselves in opposition and they are not so today. It is my opinion that this Great War is a disasterous miscalculation on all sides, but it is upon us nonetheless and we must deal with it as such. The United States has benefited from two great oceans to shield us as the fire has spread to include most of Europe. I have begun to urge for an armistice in no small measure because I fear that the Atlantic and Pacific will not be wide enough to keep the Americas safe.

"The United States is a neutral power in this conflict. However, we can not ignore events on foreign shores. More and more Americans are realizing that international relations has a very direct effect on their well being. As this number increases, I expect the influence of this government on the world scene will rapidly gain the high position it deserves."

Roosevelt's moustache twitched before continuing.

"In some respects the die has already been cast for us. American bankers have effectively bet on an Allied victory and the destruction of that cause will have massive repercussions in New York and Washington. Perhaps unfortunately from the desire to remain neutral, our economic stability would require a support of the Allied cause. This I suppose brings us to a number of requests you have made."

"The United States has had a policy since the beginning of this war of not selling warships to belligerent powers. The disputed sale of battlecruisers to Russia was of course concluded before the outbreak of hostilities. Thus in any other situation I would turn down your request.

"However, the globe right now is a delicate balance of power. While an outright victory for either side may collapse this balance (which is of course the reason why the US wants a ceasefire), until an armistice can be negotiated that balance must remain. The United Kingdom in its infinite and neutral wisdom has seen fit to sell modern warships to Germany in exchange for colonies. It seems only fair that Washington be allowed to do the same.

"The United States Navy is in the process of modernization. Dozens of older warships are scheduled to be scrapped this year and I expect several could be sold to the French. The US offers 10 older Battleships (tech 4.5 BB), six Light Cruisers, and the Battlecruisers President and Congress. Consider them our gift of Democracy to you. I assume payment will come after the war? (50 points) Naval bases in Guyana and Morocco would also be useful.

"However, this war MUST end soon, and with the Balance of Power intact. It is my hope that these warship will never have to see combat under French colors, but that is particularly unlikely to be so. Neverthelss, the US will be promoting a possible ceasefire come next month. Were Paris to sign onto such an initiative, it would be most beneficial to Franco-American relations..."

(THe problem of course is that SPain owns most of Morocco at this moment, and also OH CRAP!! I forgot to tell GB that. Gotta send it. THough SPain is in good relations, so it'd most likely not care if the US had certain cities. Tangiers would be a perfect gift to the US, but gotta ask me that when I arrive.)

Spain sends it's famous ambassador, who has spent the last few years visiting the president as often as he could. Being a veteran, he always believed he had a very good relationship with the president. At least he hoped so.

"Today, all Spain has to ask, is that coal and oil be considered domestic products. Germans can't take those from us if the United States demands that they are for the people to be warm."

(ANd there is the arrival, and that's true. I need to have those listed as domestic products.)

(THe problem of course is that SPain owns most of Morocco at this moment, and also OH CRAP!! I forgot to tell GB that. Gotta send it. THough SPain is in good relations, so it'd most likely not care if the US had certain cities. Tangiers would be a perfect gift to the US, but gotta ask me that when I arrive.)

OOC: Spain does not own most of Morocco, France does. Spain just controls German Morocco, a mere three cities, in addition to Spanish Morocco (two cities plus the Riff).

The first months of 1913 are uneasy ones in Washington. The appearance of Japanese fleet elements in the North Atlantic rallys elements of the Defense Department to a common cause as few other things could. President Roosevelt spends January and February in feverish campaigning around the country about the need for the United States to "hope for the best but prepare for the worst."

It is noted that elements of the US fleet seem to be out on patrol more often. Build up of the army also begins in earnest.

"However, this war MUST end soon, and with the Balance of Power intact. It is my hope that these warship will never have to see combat under French colors, but that is particularly unlikely to be so. Neverthelss, the US will be promoting a possible ceasefire come next month. Were Paris to sign onto such an initiative, it would be most beneficial to Franco-American relations..."

"Monsieur President, your gift is most generous. Between the two of us, it has hurt my pride to ask for so much without being able to give you immediate compensation, but France is a nation of honor, and we will pay our debts to our allies and friends if it takes our last franc.

"Paris will support American ceasefire initiatives--you will remember that France entered the war not to secure colonies or dominate other nations, but to help the Russian people fight off the German invader, and to secure democracy in Europe."

* * * * *

President Clemenceau travels with Roosevelt for part of his journey across the States, and gives speeches to American crowds. Different rhetoric is used, but the theme is consistent.

"It does me well to see this country of yours, bastion of liberty and defender of the rights of men to live freely...but never far from the forefront of my mind is the knowledge that on the far side of the world another such nation, my own Republic, is steeped in bloody conflict, fighting for not only the lives and freedom of Frenchmen, but fighting for Spain, for Italy, for Russia, for Rumania, for Greece, for China, for the entire world. Yes, I say the entire world because America, though its oceans keep it physically isolated from European and Asian affairs, these oceans are much shorter now than they were just a hundred years ago. Two oceans did not keep the Japanese fleet from taking Madagascar from France and Italy in their imperialistic and unwarranted declaration of war against the democracies of Europe. I hope will half my soul that war will never come to America's shores--I say half, because I must keep some for God and France--but if two oceans cannot protect French territory, can one be expected to shield the United States?

"The hour of grave resolutions has come: it is a question, for France, of life or death. There, on the other side of the Rhine, is a strong and great nation that has the right to live, but not to crush all independent life in Europe. Russia has the choice of suicide or resistance. Our case is no different. If Russia, standing alone, is beaten, it will only be a matter of time before France is dispatched: then America's turn will come.

"War is a series of catastrophes that results in victory. France and the Allied powers have seen their share of catastrophes in this war, but so too have Germany and its coaltion of cronies. Which is the greater, Germans in Pondicherry, or Frenchmen in Cologne, Aachen, Strasbourg, and Metz? Coaltion troops in Warsaw, or Allied troops in Jerusalem, Damascus, Beirut, and Amman?

"Both sides have seen horror. The scale is tipped in the favor of the Allies, because while the Kaiser has Hindenburg, the Allies have truth, freedom, and justice!

"I do not ask you to go to war for us, no free and peaceful people deserve to have war thrust upon them by others; it is a decision only they can make for themselves. I ask merely that you pray for the Allied soldiers in the Rhineland, in Ukraine, in Turkey and Syria, and in Siberia. Vive la liberté! Vive la justice! Vive la France! Vive L'Amérique!"

Major Foreign Policy Initiatives declared by President Roosevelt in December 1912:

*snip*

--The United States once again calls for peace between warring powers. A informal proposal including the ceding of Alscace-Lorraine to France, the independence of Poland and Finland, the restoration of pre-war borders in the Balkans, and reduction of the Ottoman Empire (but otherwise just return to borders) is quietly floated in foreign capitals to gauge support.

Denmark informs that under a deal signed in Denmark under the Auspices of the SRC that Finland has indeed already been granted it's freedom by the Russians under conditions set forth in the agreement.

As such while appreciate and note the granting of independance to Finland be a major point in the negotiation for an armistice such inclusion is unneccesary. We are also interested to know the status of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in plans for an Armistice.

Otherwise as a neutral nation we look forward to the world returning to normality after this war.

Thank you.

Denmark informs that under a deal signed in Denmark under the Auspices of the SRC that Finland has indeed already been granted it's freedom by the Tsar under conditions set forth in the agreement.

OOC: The Tsar is dead, killed at the very start of the war along with his wife and all his children save one, and the Grand Duke is Regent and Head of State.

A possible peace proposal is handed to Roosevelt and his support asked.

Proposals:
1. Poland (as in the Russian part), Baltic States, W Ukraine independent( It is pointed out that over a million Balts, Poles and Ukrainians are fighting in their own armies and that it would be extremely hard to ever try to reincorporate them into the Russian empire again, not after they've already tasted this much freedom.)
2. Belorussia is highly negotiable
3. Already got a free Finland
4. Trade French Guinea, Dakar, French Equatorial Africa in return for 1939 German/French border on the WIF Europe Map and return to pre war status quo in Morocco
OR
Turn AL into Burgundy(reduces prospect of future war)
5. Japanese get to keep Sakkalin Island, and all French, Italian forces out of East Asia
6. Siam gets French Indochina (they won’t be able to keep Vietnam, due to Vietnamese nationalists anyway)
7. French get their colonies and India and Madagascar back in return for this
8. Allied withdrawal from Syria, Transjordan, Arabia (none are there, but to make sure) and 1939 Turkey while Ottomans get to keep Turkish Thrace, and 1939 WIF border in Europe(Either way in about 3-4 years Arab nationalism will reach a point that holding the Arab parts will be a bitch anyway)
9. Bulgaria gets Salonika, otherwise 1939 Rumanian border for Rumania except for Transylvania, which remains AHE
10. AHE keeps Serbia as a province
11. Rumania regains independence, but must allow 1 German garrison unit on Oil resource, and can only sell oil to other nations besides AHE or Germany or Bulgaria with permission. Sharp limits on Rumanian Army (5 light divisions and no reserve units, plus 1 police division) and no Rumanian Navy and only 1 air unit
12. Peace treaty between Japan and Imperial China
13. Japanese Mongolian client state gets to remain independent




Roosevelt is personally asked for his support by the Kaiser in a telegram.

9. Bulgaria gets Salonika, otherwise 1939 Rumanian border for Rumania except for Transylvania, which remains AHE
10. AHE keeps Serbia as a province

You do either of these two, and I assure you that Greece will fight to the last man.

A possible peace proposal is handed to Roosevelt and his support asked.

Proposals:
1. Poland (as in the Russian part), Baltic States, W Ukraine independent( It is pointed out that over a million Balts, Poles and Ukrainians are fighting in their own armies and that it would be extremely hard to ever try to reincorporate them into the Russian empire again, not after they've already tasted this much freedom.)
2. Belorussia is highly negotiable
3. Already got a free Finland
4. Trade French Guinea, Dakar, French Equatorial Africa in return for 1939 German/French border on the WIF Europe Map and return to pre war status quo in Morocco
OR
Turn AL into Burgundy(reduces prospect of future war)
5. Japanese get to keep Sakkalin Island, and all French, Italian forces out of East Asia
6. Siam gets French Indochina (they won’t be able to keep Vietnam, due to Vietnamese nationalists anyway)
7. French get their colonies and India and Madagascar back in return for this
8. Allied withdrawal from Syria, Transjordan, Arabia (none are there, but to make sure) and 1939 Turkey while Ottomans get to keep Turkish Thrace, and 1939 WIF border in Europe(Either way in about 3-4 years Arab nationalism will reach a point that holding the Arab parts will be a bitch anyway)
9. Bulgaria gets Salonika, otherwise 1939 Rumanian border for Rumania except for Transylvania, which remains AHE
10. AHE keeps Serbia as a province
11. Rumania regains independence, but must allow 1 German garrison unit on Oil resource, and can only sell oil to other nations besides AHE or Germany or Bulgaria with permission. Sharp limits on Rumanian Army (5 light divisions and no reserve units, plus 1 police division) and no Rumanian Navy and only 1 air unit
12. Peace treaty between Japan and Imperial China
13. Japanese Mongolian client state gets to remain independent




Roosevelt is personally asked for his support by the Kaiser in a telegram.

Roosevelt is pleased to hear that the Kaiser is seriously seeking peace and and a telegram is sent informing Berlin that the proposed German terms are fairly similar to what Washington was working on. They will be considered along with Allied proposals when Roosevelt calls for peace on March 4th.


Denmark informs that under a deal signed in Denmark under the Auspices of the SRC that Finland has indeed already been granted it's freedom by the Russians under conditions set forth in the agreement.

As such while appreciate and note the granting of independance to Finland be a major point in the negotiation for an armistice such inclusion is unneccesary. We are also interested to know the status of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in plans for an Armistice.

Otherwise as a neutral nation we look forward to the world returning to normality after this war.

Thank you.

OOC: I'm not sure the news that Finland was independent was public in early December when that post was made. In any case, as that is no longer a sticking point, if the war stopped now the Baltic states would likely be independent.

9. Bulgaria gets Salonika, otherwise 1939 Rumanian border for Rumania except for Transylvania, which remains AHE
10. AHE keeps Serbia as a province

Yeah these two would never happen. Serbia and SLavic independence would be extremelly debated.

IC: Spain wonders about it's question from earlier.

Congressional leaders tell Roosevelt that they aren't willing to support intervention, should it become necessary, until a reasonable effort for peace as been made.

As the Germans at least are trying, then in the eyes of Congress, the US should give talks a chance.

At least until summer

If nothing is accomplished by then, then Congress and the Democratic Party are willing to discuss intervention.

The Democrats do push however for a comprehensive plan to fortify US Pacific possessions, bases and harbors, as well as the Panama Canal Zone.

(ooc they want a fortress at Oahu, both hexes of Panama, Anchorage (Alaska) San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle (actually the entrance to Puget Sound), New York City, entrance to Chesapeake Bay (Norfolk), Boston, and 1 coast defense unit and 1 fortress unit for each manned by National Guardsmen (for US homeland) and regulars (overseas territory). They also want minesweepers for each of those areas

OOC
The Army loves the idea, the Navy thinks its a waste of money they would rather spend on more warships

Congressional leaders tell Roosevelt that they aren't willing to support intervention, should it become necessary, until a reasonable effort for peace as been made.

As the Germans at least are trying, then in the eyes of Congress, the US should give talks a chance.

At least until summer

If nothing is accomplished by then, then Congress and the Democratic Party are willing to discuss intervention.

The Democrats do push however for a comprehensive plan to fortify US Pacific possessions, bases and harbors, as well as the Panama Canal Zone.

(ooc they want a fortress at Oahu, both hexes of Panama, Anchorage (Alaska) San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle (actually the entrance to Puget Sound), New York City, entrance to Chesapeake Bay (Norfolk), Boston, and 1 coast defense unit and 1 fortress unit for each manned by National Guardsmen (for US homeland) and regulars (overseas territory). They also want minesweepers for each of those areas

OOC
The Army loves the idea, the Navy thinks its a waste of money they would rather spend on more warships

Congress is assured that Roosevelt has no intention of leading the nation into a needless war and that a fair peace is far more preferred. Even now the Administration is desperately working on a possible solution acceptable to both sides in this war.

Potential defensive measures for US possessions are debated for a few months (my budget for 1913 through april is locked in).

When news reaches French diplomats that a peace proposal has been handed to Roosevelt by the Germans, the French Embassy in Washington immediately contacts the White House, informing the President that France wholeheartedly supports peace, but will not accept terms that give such an advantage to Germany and its allies. Four revisions are proposed:

4. Trade French Guinea, Dakar, French Equatorial Africa in return for 1939 German/French border on the WIF Europe Map and return to pre war status quo in Morocco
OR
Turn AL into Burgundy(reduces prospect of future war)
5. Japanese get to keep Sakkalin Island, and all French, Italian forces out of East Asia
6. Siam gets French Indochina (they won’t be able to keep Vietnam, due to Vietnamese nationalists anyway)
8. Allied withdrawal from Syria, Transjordan, Arabia (none are there, but to make sure) and 1939 Turkey while Ottomans get to keep Turkish Thrace, and 1939 WIF border in Europe(Either way in about 3-4 years Arab nationalism will reach a point that holding the Arab parts will be a bitch anyway)

4. Allied troops occupy Saarbrucken and the Rhineland, while the Coalition occupies miles and miles of sand and jungle. France is willing to support return the Rhineland and Saarbrucken to Germany, provided the Coalition leaves all French colonies in Africa (including Madagascar, which is a Franco-Italian codominium).
Addendum: France also proposes that Saar be kept a demilitarized territory, with both France and Germany having access to coal resources there.
5. French and Italian military forces will remain in East Asia to the extent seen necessary by their respective governments to protect their possessions in that part of the world.
6. Siam, having broken an internationally recognized treaty of non-aggression, should not be rewarded, but rather castigated. Indochina shall be returned to France, and Siam must pay monies to France for the continued development of Indochina.
8. Allied forces have defeated the Turkish Army everytime combat has been seen, and to make such demands is utterly ridiculous. Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine (including Transjordan) are to become territories jointly administered by the Allies, to modernize the infrastructure and economy of said territories, with the ultimate goal of independence.

If terms 4, 5, 6, and 8 are replaced with the French revisions (or even terms that are not obviously blatant attempts by Germany and its allies to gain more territory without having to fight for it), France will support the proposed terms in full.

French diplomats acknowledge that the Third Republic has obvious and vested interests in the interpretation of peace terms, and the French government will defer to President Roosevelt (as a neutral mediator) in regards to what is considered "fair" and what is not.

(OOC: Once again shouldn't we set up a seperate peace thread.)

Spain asks about #9 and #10. To agree to this would be a betrayel of our Slavic allies.

William Jennings Bryan, and a number of Senators who had opposed the annexation of the Phillippines a decade ago all begin pressuring the President, and Congress NOT to allow a repetition of the mistake the US made in the Philippines.

In short, give the Indochinese their independence, which they fought for themselves, and fewer European nations in China the better.

They are of course firmly opposed to the idea of the United States intervening to save European colonial possessions.

Oddly enough, many are Christian conservatives, and they make no mention of the Holy Land, other then to indicate they have no qualms about the Lord's place of birth being under the control of Christians. Although having Catholic France run is a bit disconcerting.

ooc
note: The annexation of the Philippines, de facto control over Cuba, the Platt Amendment, and the Philippine Insurrection were not popular because they were clearly Imperialism, and a great many Americans were not comfortable in the least over that. This trend in America continues throughout the century

Oddly enough, many are Christian conservatives, and they make no mention of the Holy Land, other then to indicate they have no qualms about the Lord's place of birth being under the control of Christians. Although having Catholic France run is a bit disconcerting.

Elements of the French diplomatic service begin to quietly lobby the Protestant conservative leadership in the United States, pointing that while the majority of Frenchmen are indeed Catholic, there is clear separation of Church and State in France. French honor and Catholic voters demand French control of the Holy Land, but France will swear on that same honor to allow the free activity of any Christian organization in the Holy Land, favoring neither Catholics, Orthodox, or Protestants over one another, provided of course that they are peaceful.

The Protestant politicians in the US Congress are also informed that France intends to allow unrestricted visits by pilgrims, and will protect pilgrims in the Holy Land, and will make no barriers to Christian settlement there in the future.

It is also emphasized, in regards to Asia, that France has ceded its sole Chinese possession (Yunnan) to the Republic of China, and that Russia is prepared to make similar concessions to Imperial China, while Japan has carved up its Chinese holdings into various colonies and puppet states, and is even drafting Chinese into its army. The Allies, according to the lobbyists, are working toward the same goal as the United States: a free China, and an independent Republic of Hainan. The Coalition, however, is merely concerned with devouring as much territory as possible, and crushing any democratic governments that stand in their way.

Senator Bryan and his associates are also informed by the French lobby that France is willing to compromise on Indochina, provided that Siam pays reparations to France (both for breaking the NAP, and for destruction of French property/investment), and Indochina will be passed to neither Siam nor Japan.

ooc
once an actual decision is made to initiate talks


OOC: I plan on posting TR's speech later tonight calling for talks (and presumably setting up a thread if enough ppl are online to confirm they are coming. This of course assumes that we are still on schedule to begin March on November 16th--let me know if that is incorrect please.

Russia's diplomatic staff makes clear its agreement with the French revisions and has one or two of it's own to add, which are duly submitted to Roosevelt.

A possible peace proposal is handed to Roosevelt and his support asked.

Proposals:
1. Poland (as in the Russian part), Baltic States, W Ukraine independent( It is pointed out that over a million Balts, Poles and Ukrainians are fighting in their own armies and that it would be extremely hard to ever try to reincorporate them into the Russian empire again, not after they've already tasted this much freedom.)


Russia is willing to allow the independence of the Baltic States and Russian Poland, but asks that the Ukraine and Belorussia remain a part of the Empire as to do otherwise would leave Russia surrounded by hostile German client states.

Furthermore, it is stated, many Ukrainians are also fighting with the Russians against the Germans.

In fact, the Russian diplomats go on to say, why not free German and Austrian Poland as well and allow them to join with Russian Poland to make a truly free and independent nation which would not simply be a rump or puppet state? A term such as this would be acceptable to the Russians and would probably leave all of the Poles (not just the Russian ones) very happy.

This is highly pulicized.



9. Bulgaria gets Salonika, otherwise 1939 Rumanian border for Rumania except for Transylvania, which remains AHE
10. AHE keeps Serbia as a province
11. Rumania regains independence, but must allow 1 German garrison unit on Oil resource, and can only sell oil to other nations besides AHE or Germany or Bulgaria with permission. Sharp limits on Rumanian Army (5 light divisions and no reserve units, plus 1 police division) and no Rumanian Navy and only 1 air unit


Russia thinks that Rumania should be allowed to retain its independence without the German occupation troops. In addition, in recompense for the brutal invasion of Rumania, Dobruja must be returned to that soverign nation and remain Rumanian territory.

It is also thought to be unreasonable to have a soverign nation annexed outright by another in this day and age. After all, the Serbs are not a colony or a territory but a real and true nation.

Aside from these changes and those proposed by France, Russia would be happy to have these terms for an armistice.



Of course, Russia is not a neutral observer and will defer to President Roosevelt as a neutral mediator.

In his unprecedented third Inaugural Address, President Theodore Roosevelt concentrates much of his time on the global crisis. A massive crowd turns out for the speech, the largest yet, and they are rewarded by a cool temperature in the mid-50 degrees. From the East Portico of the Capitol, Roosevelt addresses the nation, and for perhaps the first time in history for an Inaugural Address, the world.

Relevant Excepts from the Speech are below:

“The current war raging in Europe and across the globe can only be described as a disaster for civilized peoples everywhere. Millions of casualties have been suffered and with no clear end to the horror in sight, clearer heads must prevail.

Even on our quiet shores we have heard tales of the greatest atrocities and violations of the conventional rules of war, in Armenia, the Balkans, and in the Baltic Sea. The continuation of the war is not in the interests of the United States, and this behavior in particular is not in the interests of mankind.

Therefore, the Government of the United States of America, upon careful consultations with the governments of the Coalition and the Allied causes, proposes an immediate cessation of all hostilities at land and sea by both sides and the convening of a peace conference in New York City with all warring powers present. The United Kingdom and the Scandinavians are invited as neutral powers to assist the US in moderating. The end results of this conference are of course negotiable, but the United States, with a vested interest in the proceedings proposes the following terms…”

The Roosevelt Administration eagerly awaits the reply of the world’s nations. Pressure is put on the Democrats in Congress to recognize the neutrality of the proposed terms and how eager Roosevelt is to avoid war.

*******

OOC: mostly because I don’t want to refer to “1939 borders” in an IC speech, I will explain the rest of this here.

Western Front: the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine should be returned to the Republic of France and the resources of the Saarland split between Germany and France. The remainder of occupied Germany will be returned to that nation.

Eastern Front: the three Baltic States should be given independence and a Poland should be created from Russian, Austrian, and German territory. All four of these new nations should remain unaligned and their neutrality in potential future conflicts respected. The remaining occupied Russian territory should be returned to that nation

Balkans: Greece reverts to pre-war border. Rumania gets 1939 border minus Transylvania (still Austrian). Rumanian army limited to 100,000 men, air force to one unit, and navy to no capital ships. Serbia can remain an Austrian province.

Ottoman Empire: Maintains all of Modern Turkey plus the bit of Thrace they had earlier. Kurdistan and Armenia become independent and other Arab lands under allied occupation.

Asia: Japan keeps no Russian territory. The Japanese Mongolian client state may remain independent using only territory that was Japanese before the start of the war. Conversely the Japanese may pay the Russians for the northern half of Sakhalin Island (15 points). Peace treaty between Imperial China and Japan. American economic pressures will end. (Note that these terms are harsher due to American hostility toward Japanese “opportunism”)

Colonies: Germans keep French Equatorial Africa but all other Colonies (with the following exception) revert to pre-war status. As the issue over French Indochina is so heated, the US proposes that Siam and France work that out as a separate issue so as to not derail the rest of the peace process. However, Washington would suggest an independent Indochina if possible.

Other: No reparations unless to make up for the shift from these terms or in reference to Indochina. (France may pay Germany to keep Equatorial Africa for example). Everybody has too much to worry about with clean up (and paying me back! :p ) to waste money on these. Investigations into Russian submarine warfare, Austrian actions in Serbia, and Ottoman actions in Armenia are to be commissioned by independent actors.

Please post your nation’s willingness to negotiate under these terms on the Great War thread. I would emphasize that if just one of these terms is particularly bad that you at least considering coming to the peace conference to try to negotiate things more your way. I will post a conference thread when/if I hear from the major powers involved (basically Russia, Germany, Austria, France with Japan and the Ottomans and anybody else coming as a bonus)

Norway, speaking for what is assumed will be the entire Scandinavian Regional Council, informs the United States that it is eager and willing to send a delegation to aid in moderation of peace talks. Norway is keen on ending the suffering of millions and hopes to bring about a just and lasting peace, with equyal emphasis hopefully to be given to both portions of any peace.

Russian diplomats indicate that the Russian government is willing to accept this.

A Danish representative echoes the words of their Norwegian counterpart but also adds "being two nations whose neutrality in the conflict is obvious while also having working relations with both Russia and Germany two of the main players on either side of the conflict we beleive that Danish and Norwegian involvement and moderation would be a valuable asset to the peace talks."

Total Civilian Population: 100,000,000
Civilian Population Sick: 10,000,000
Civilian Population Dead: 1,000,000

Approximately 41,600 sick per month and 4,160 dead per month.

Total Military Personal: 1,316,000
Military Personal Sick: 263,200
Military Personal Dead: 39,480

Approximately 9,800 sick per month and 1,645 dead per month.

Denmark enquires about an increase in Coal exports to 1.5 units to fulfil it's new economic growth in addition to informing that the 12 point loan will be paid in full in 1914.

Rumania approaches the United States about a loan in 1914, in excess of 24 points in order to facilitate the repairs of war damages.

Reply to Denmark:

After going to normal spending exhausted all the coal reserves that GB has told me the US has (which I dont think should have happened) I have decided that keeping track of such things is probably a hassle I dont need. Denmark has permission to use American coal unless I mention otherwise, though I really appreciate all the notice you are giving me.

The 12 point loan had 10% interest on it according to this post (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11892936&postcount=320) so as long as you pay back 13.2 points in the next couple of years, that's fine.

Reply to Rumania:

The US can supply your funds, but needs to know the interest rate and proposed method of repayment (how does your economy look like w/o those points? I am a little wary of loaning more points in one year to a nation than they can produce domestically on their own...in fact I believe I mentioned a policy against it at some point)

(after losing more territory and all that, how does your economy look like w/o those points? I am a little wary of loaning more points in one year to a nation than they can produce domestically on their own...)

OOC: Rumania did not lose any additional territory, all that happened was what was lost in the Balkan War remained lost.

OOC: Rumania did not lose any additional territory, all that happened was what was lost in the Balkan War remained lost.

edited--thanks

OOC: They did lose their only prod center and control of their oil resources

OOC: They did lose their only proc center and control of their oil resources

OOC: Actually, I have two production centers pre-war. And I am keeping a light inf. division there with your garrison.

IC:

Rumania replies that these funds will go to repair war damaged production centers and to maintain their small military, so that by 1915 they will be able to begin repaying the loan, with say 5% interest (25 points repayed) over a period of 4 to 5 years.

OOC: The other damaged prod center was scrapped to repair the Bucharest one thta was then shipped away to Bulgaria.

The successful conclusion of peace talks (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507409) sponsered by the United States that end with the Treaty of Arlington (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11988934&postcount=302) and an end to the Great War result in a wave of relief across the United States. The US will not be drawn into a World War. President Roosevelt's already high approval rating reaches new heights.

However, politically the situation is far more turbulent. It is clear that the United States will have a prominent role in international relations in the future and that the defense of the nation's interests will be a paramount concern. The debate is on how exactly that should be achieved. Roosevelt, his SecState Albert Beveridge, and much of the Republican Party are in favor of a strong Navy and Marine Corps to protect American shores and interests abroad (specifically the Pacific and Caribbean). As the occupation of the Dominican Republic in Spring of 1913 demonstrates, the US intends to be rather active in these zones.

Democrats push for the fortification of selected priority zones such as Panama, Hawaii, and major US coastal cities with a naval shield. Most politicians agree that the Army requires a modernization and expansion to keep up with the advances made by Europe in the past few years--it is the size of this move that is debated.

However, the major foriegn policy issue by the end of 1913 is what to do about Mexico. Army units have been moved to secure the border against instabilities (including an unfortunate incident in March where a Federal directive to the Texas National Guard was misconstrued as a provocative order) and the Roosevelt Administration is vocally lending support to the rebels in opposition to "President" Huerta. As the Executive Branch wrestles with Congress for permission for more direct intervention to secure American interests, concessions are made to the Democratic plan for national defense. Whether or not this is a coincidence will certainly remain to be seen.

OOC: GB, I will be sending a TG on this to you shortly

Spain thanks the United States for it's involvement in the current war. Since the United States seems to be having problems, SPain issues a freindly warning. Mexico has been a problem for centuries, and it's actions against it's own people (Yukitan Pennisula especcially) can be brutal at best. Tread carefully when dealing with them.

Personally President Roosevelt is wondering if the United States would help protect SPain if it were to declare itself a neutral in the same fashion that Belgium has.

Spain thanks the United States for it's involvement in the current war. Since the United States seems to be having problems, SPain issues a freindly warning. Mexico has been a problem for centuries, and it's actions against it's own people (Yukitan Pennisula especcially) can be brutal at best. Tread carefully when dealing with them.

Personally President Roosevelt is wondering if the United States would help protect SPain if it were to declare itself a neutral in the same fashion that Belgium has.

OOC: actually, I very much assume that TR is not doing the wondering... :cool:

IC: Thought the Spanish are thanked for their advice regarding Mexico, they are informed that Washington has little to no interest in guaranteeing the independence of European powers or creating other entangling alliances with that part of the world. Our present naval base in Norway aside, the US has more important things to worry about in the Caribbean and Pacific.

OOC: OOps, sorry typo.

IC: Spain states that it would not be an Alliance, but a treaty that would recognize Spain as in the same state as Belgium. Belgians have had peace for a century because of this, and SPain looks at this as a possibility in the future. This would not be an alliance in the least.

And SPain can help directly or indirectly with American's problems in the Caribean. After all Spain has learned the mistakes of our own Caribean expedition, and also we shaped the culture you have to face there. Some of your ambassadors to the South Americas have asked our embassy for help in the SPanish language. Though not as large as we had hoped, the numbers have been there. (Which some of them would have asked. A few idealistic American Ambassadors did exist in that time.) So Spain contends that it's help is available if ever it's needed.

(Basically if you need advisors for "winning of hearts and minds." Spain is available. And since Spain has already made it's major mistakes, it has a better idea of how to handle things. As for the neutral business, I have lots of internal problems to sort out. So trying to have assurances of peace.)

1913 Builds:
--NORMAL SPENDING--

Industry: 396
Commerce: 49 (times 2 for modifier equals) 98
Domestic Resources: 60
Colonial Resources: 24
Foreign Resources (client states): 11
Unused Oil: 0?
Unused Coal: 0?
Domestic Food Sales: 33.7
Colonial Food Sales: 2.8
Repayment of Debts: 9.5 (Norway and RoC)
--643 Points to Spend--

Normal Spending Mode = 3% growth of total minus maintenence and social services
--Production Centers now equal Population Growth--

Population Growth
--1 million by 1913--

Domestic Expenditures:
Level 2 Social Safety Net for US--29.7 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Cuba--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Haiti--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Philippines--1.5 points
Level 1 Social Safety Net for Nicaragua--.25 points
Upkeep Intelligence Agency--5 points
Other Intel Missions--8 points
1 Merchant Marine Unit--3 points
2 Passenger Liners (year 2 of 2)--6 points
Aid to Peru--3 points
Total--56.95 points

Maintenence Costs:
US Navy=16.85 points
US Army=19.2 points (note that maintenence is doubled for supply stockpiles)
US Army Reserve=14 points
US Marine Corps=3.5 points (note that maintenence is doubled for supply stockpiles)
Aid to Haiti and Cuba--Upkeep 2 Garrison Units (one each)-0.5 points
Total Maintenence--54.05 points

531.9 points to spend
88.65 points per month

January/February:
4 Superbattlecruisers--20 points (year 3 of 3)
Refit 4 Dreads to oil burning--8 points (year 2 of 2)
Refit 6 Dreads to oil burning--12 points (year 1 of 2)
18 New Light Cruisers--18 points (year 2 of 2)
Panama Canal Construction--2 points
Loan to France--6.65 points
2 Fighter Plane Units--6 points
2 Artillery Divisions--16 points

March/April
11 Superdreadnaughts--66 points (year 3 of 3)
Loan to France--6.65 points
SECRET: Aid to Imperial China--10 points
2 Light Bomber Units--6 points

May/June
Aid to RoC--10 points
10 Escort Flotillas--40 points
2 Motorized Infantry Corps--10 points
2 Seaplane Naval Bombers--8 points
1 Fortress Division (Manila)--2 points
Loan to France--6.65 points
Tank Research--12 points (year one of two)

July/August
Aid to RoC--10 points
3 Superdreadnaughts--18 points
5 Escort Flotillas--20 points
Upgrade Manila Naval Base to Shipyard--12 points
Upgrade Pearl Harbor to Shipyard--12 points
Loan to France--6.65 points
2 Seaplane Carriers--4 points
Research for Improved Seaplane Carriers--6 points

September/October
Upgrade Tahiti Naval Base to Shipyard--12 points
Aid to Bolivia--10 points
Aid to Argentina--10 points
Aid to Brazil--10 points
Trans-Alaskan Highway--15? points
4 Minesweeper Flotillas--8 points
10 Fortresses (year 1 of 5)--10 points
Upgrade 6 Reserve Infantry Corps to Mechanized--6 points
Upgrade 2 Infantry Corps to Mechanized--2 points
1 Marine Brigade--2 points
(0.65 points to spend)

November/December
Upgrade 6 Dreads to Oilburning (year 1 of 2)--12 points
1 Long Range Sub Flotilla--8 points
2 Passenger Liners (year 1 of 2--to become carriers)--6 points
6 Fortress Divisions--12 points
Upgrade 2 HQ to Motorized HQ--4 points
2 Motorized Supply Units--12 points
2 Reserve Artillery Divisions--16 points
10 Heavy Cruisers--20 points

47.5 points repaid in loans to spend (20 of this goes to 10 more heavy cruisers, 12 goes to Basic ASW warfare, and 10 to 10 Light Cruisers leaving 5.5 to spend)

Foreign Expenditures:
Aid to Haiti--2 points to grease palms and Cacos
Aid to Red Cross--4 points
Total: 145.5 points

Please note that any points not spent are returned to the economy as tax cuts.

OOC: actually, I very much assume that TR is not doing the wondering... :cool:

IC: Thought the Spanish are thanked for their advice regarding Mexico, they are informed that Washington has little to no interest in guaranteeing the independence of European powers or creating other entangling alliances with that part of the world. Our present naval base in Norway aside, the US has more important things to worry about in the Caribbean and Pacific.

OOC:
N.B. While Emphasis is added that is currently in correct as the US has a Naval Base in Iceland, and that is Danish soil.

OOC:
N.B. While Emphasis is added that is currently in correct as the US has a Naval Base in Iceland, and that is Danish soil.

There is indeed a US Naval Base in Iceland on Danish soil that I failed to mention, but there is also a base in Bergen, Norway. During the last months of the Great War the US had part of an escort flotilla operating out of it as part of the neutral, international attempt to make the Baltic more safe for merchant men.

OOC: don't you have to wait a year between seaplane carriers and improved seaplane carriers?

The Third Republic contacts the United States offering to sell the Spratley Islands to the Americans. Since the loss of Indochina, the Spratleys have become less defendable by the French Navy, and Southeast Asia as a whole is no longer as crucial an area for French interests as it once was.

The Americans are, of course, the final arbiter of what they are willing to pay, but the French diplomats who propose the offer imply that France is interested in obtaining the technology to make superdreadnaughts. Forgiving a small amount of French debt would be acceptable as well.

OOC: don't you have to wait a year between seaplane carriers and improved seaplane carriers?

OOC: dont know--I was assuming that since Britain and I started with the tech and didnt need to research it that we were already on the first year and I could move immediately to the improved stuff. I could easily be wrong (wouldnt be the first time I had jumped the gun for some shiny ships!) and would be more than happy to correct it if somebody tells me so.

The Third Republic contacts the United States offering to sell the Spratley Islands to the Americans. Since the loss of Indochina, the Spratleys have become less defendable by the French Navy, and Southeast Asia as a whole is no longer as crucial an area for French interests as it once was.

The Americans are, of course, the final arbiter of what they are willing to pay, but the French diplomats who propose the offer imply that France is interested in obtaining the technology to make superdreadnaughts. Forgiving a small amount of French debt would be acceptable as well.

The United States offers to buy the Spratleys (with plans to incorporate them into the Philippines) in exchange for superdreadnaught technology and the waving of 10 points of debt. Though many in the government are not convinced they are worth the price, doubters are reminded how unhappy they were when Japan siezed the Spratleys during the previous war...

At some point I forgot to mention that following the Treaty of Arlington, the United States recognizes the governments of Finland, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia. (I'm assuming I havent missed anything)

Also in the period immediately after the war, the women's sufferage movement strengthens considerably. Pressures increase as nations in Europe increased rights in reaction to their war. The Progressive nature of the Republican Party with Roosevelt still in it helps a great deal as well.

A member of the Greek Royal family (as the elections are taking place) approach the US with a request for aid after the devastating efffects of the treaty. Any amount however small will be greatly appreciated.

A member of the Bulgarian Royal family approach the US with a request for aid after the devastating efffects of the War. Any amount however small will be greatly appreciated.

Copy + paste?

A member of the Bulgarian Royal family approach the US with a request for aid after the devastating efffects of the War. Any amount however small will be greatly appreciated.

The Rumanian's coldly note that the Bulgarians stole industry from both Greece and Rumania, and are probably in a much better position then either of those countries. Why does Bulgaria need aid?


Rumania again asks the united States for aid or a loan to help rebuild the country.

The Rumanian's coldly note that the Bulgarians stole industry from both Greece and Rumania, and are probably in a much better position then either of those countries. Why does Bulgaria need aid?

In front of the Americans, the Rumanians are asked to maintain etiquette and allow the Americans to handle their own forigen affairs

In private the following response is informally sent:

"Stole" is a mis-conception; see the meaning of reparations as a form of compensation for the belligerent actions of others.

However in response, The defenseless port Burgas was utterly destroyed by the Rumanian Horde as it fled cowardly from its country rather than stand and fight.

So as to cut through all this bitter Balkan bashing (my that was terrible :p )...

6 points Aid to Greece in 1914
10 points Aid to Rumania in 1914

Both nations are extended the offer to have this sum doubled, but they would need to pay the difference back (6 points for greece and 10 points for rumania) by the end of 1916.

The Bulgarians are reminded that the Treaty of Arlington was far more kind to them, and unlike the Greeks and Rumanians, they have several large friendly nations nearby who can offer them aid instead of the US.

A member of the Greek Royal family (as the elections are taking place) approach the US with a request for aid after the devastating efffects of the treaty. Any amount however small will be greatly appreciated.

A member of the Bulgarian Royal family approach the US with a request for aid after the devastating efffects of the War. Any amount however small will be greatly appreciated.

I'm just angry about the fact he copied my post!

Anyway, the aid is gladly accepted by Greece, and it will be put into efforts to rebuilding the country.

Spain wonders if the United States can sell us 5 Light Cruisers. We can begin payment in 1915. Ergo you start building them for me and I'll get them in 1917. I'll pay for their yearly allotments and such.

So as to cut through all this bitter Balkan bashing (my that was terrible :p )...

6 points Aid to Greece in 1914
10 points Aid to Rumania in 1914

Both nations are extended the offer to have this sum doubled, but they would need to pay the difference back (6 points for greece and 10 points for rumania) by the end of 1916.

The Bulgarians are reminded that the Treaty of Arlington was far more kind to them, and unlike the Greeks and Rumanians, they have several large friendly nations nearby who can offer them aid instead of the US.

Rumania eagerly agrees to pay back the difference by the end of 1916, since they expect to have the economy up and on it's feet by that time.

The Bulgarians are reminded that the Treaty of Arlington was far more kind to them, and unlike the Greeks and Rumanians, they have several large friendly nations nearby who can offer them aid instead of the US.

The Americans are quietly (OOC:Very Very Quietly) informed that this is indeed so, however there is some concern over the prospect of sending such large amount of aid to two very unstable neighbors. Furthermore it is wondered why the United States does not hold just as close relations to Bulgaria such as as with that with Rumania and Greece. We hope that the United States understands these concerns and hope to discuss them in the future.

However the Bulgarian Kingdom does not wish to impose and thanks the United states for considering its request.

Oil: 20
--Houston 5; Shreveport 2; Philadelphia 1; Bakersfield 2; Helena 1; Los Angeles 2; New Orleans 2; Odessa / Midland 2; Oklahoma City 2; Dallas 1

Coal: 16
--West Virginia 6; Pittsburgh 6; Montana 3; Wyoming 3

growing demand in North America and Europe results in demand for exploration for more coal and oil

US coal production increases
West Virginia + 2, Pittsburgh + 1, Minneapolis / St Paul + 2,
US oil production increases
Odessa / Midland + 3, Bakersfield + 1, Los Angeles + 3, Oklahoma City + 3, New Orleans + 3

JP Morgan and other financiers approach Roosevelt and make some points. They note that the nations that just fought the war owe the billions of dollars (263 points), which is a dangerously high figure. A default by France for example would result in a dangerous stock market crash as it would ruin a large number of banks.

They recommend that the US government acquire this debt in order to secure it, so that US banks are not threatened by overseas instability.

Several US Senators and Congressmen agree, and point out that legislation pending that might severely limit the ability of US banks to make loans to nations who are war is likely in any event.

JP Morgan and others agree with Congress on loan restrictions, but also feel that international trade and commerce, and the stability of overseas economies that are important customers of US goods is also a major concern. They are also concerned that continued debt makes war more likely instead of less likely as governments may collapse if they cannot keep up payments, and this might trigger economic instability that will be dangerous to the US economy.

They propose that the US government not only buy up the foreign debt, but forgive it.

Other Senators and Congressmen however argue the debt relief will encourage the Europeans to fight more, certain they can borrow money when they want secure that they can then escape the consequences of their indebtedness. However, if sharp restrictions on loans by private banks and the US government are inacted with the debt forgiveness bill, then they will be willing to pass it.

Baron Rosen, Russian counsel to the United States makes a personal visit to the White House to visit Roosevelt and thank him for mediating the Treaty of Arlington and for America's continued friendship. He is somewhat rattled by the flu epidemic sweeping the world, but maintains his posture.

he then makes a trip to the US Congress, where he makes a short speech to the assembeled Congressmen.

"My friends, I have come here to thank you and the American people for your support and friendship throughout the terrible war that so recently rocked the world. You have a great and powerful nation and I hope that we will be able to prosper and work together in the coming years. I wish to assure all of you the Russia does not forget its debts or its friends. Rest assured gentlemen, Russia's debt will be payed. Our economy, despite inflation and some setbacks, is booming! We have only recently discovered new oil and natural gas in our territories and recent land reforms have left our agricultural production even higher then it was before the terrible war. I wish you and your country all the best."

The Russian government inquires as to whether the American government has any warships they would lke to dispose of in 1915, as the Russians would like to buy a few to bring their fleet back up to snuff.

If that is not possible, the yask if they can contract American shipyards to build the Russian navy modern warships.

(OOC: Hmmm Cylea is absent. Oh well)

Spain asks for 5 Light Cruisers to be built for Spain. (Just inc ase you missed it.)

Time to consolidate some responses!

IC:

The Bulgarians are assured that Sofia is still considered a friend of Washington. The instability in Rumania and Greece which it referred to is the exact reason why those nations have been deemed worthy of aid. The US certainly does not wish for another war in the Balkans and will not act to upset the balance of power there.

The Spanish and Russians are told that the US Navy is in the midst of a fairly massive reorganization and that while their requests are being considered, it will be some time before an answer can be given. (Russia has permission to use US shipyards. I know that I will have at least 6 extra escort flotillas by the end of this year, so ya'll can bid on those if you are interested)

J.P. Morgan and his associates are assured that the United States will move to assume the French (or any other nation's) debt the instant they receive a sign that a default is possible. However, both the Russians and the French have assured the US that repayment is in progress and have provided plans for how they expect to do so. To assume the debt seems premature at this point. However, as a compromise measure (and to assure that this sort of danger wont happen again) Congress passes a bill putting strict limits on loan giving in the future to warring powers. No more than 15 points a year to warring nations with the possibility for an executive override to 20 points. This is just a first measure and further restrictions are possible in the future

Baron Rosen, Russian counsel to the United States makes a personal visit to the White House to visit Roosevelt and thank him for mediating the Treaty of Arlington and for America's continued friendship. He is somewhat rattled by the flu epidemic sweeping the world, but maintains his posture.

he then makes a trip to the US Congress, where he makes a short speech to the assembeled Congressmen.

"My friends, I have come here to thank you and the American people for your support and friendship throughout the terrible war that so recently rocked the world. You have a great and powerful nation and I hope that we will be able to prosper and work together in the coming years. I wish to assure all of you the Russia does not forget its debts or its friends. Rest assured gentlemen, Russia's debt will be payed. Our economy, despite inflation and some setbacks, is booming! We have only recently discovered new oil and natural gas in our territories and recent land reforms have left our agricultural production even higher then it was before the terrible war. I wish you and your country all the best."

Baron Rosen is greated with warm applause by the Congress, where his speech is used as evidence by the Roosevelt Administration to avoid a move to assume the European war debt. Rosen and Roosevelt spend their time in the White House discussing the possiblity of further Russo-American cooperation in the future. Although the United States is hoping to avoid entaglements such as the kind that nearly brought it into the Great War, this should not mean that Washington can not maintain healthy friendships abroad.

Spain understands about reoganizations, as the SPanish Navy is trying to do the exact same thing at this time. Therefore it will not pressure any further at the moment. (Ergo I'll go shopping other places.)

(Have a nice lunch.)

The Russian government indicates its interest in the escort flotillas and tell the Americans that they will probably be cntracting some heavy and light cruisers in 1915.

The Spanish government is curious of Ford would be willing to take out a contract to supply the SPanish army with automobiles. He will be paid full price for them. (Meaning he gets the difference in profit.) And will have preferrential trade deals with Spain when it comes to civilian cars. Spanish civilians are starting to put more of a demand on the automobile industry, and American cars are preffered.

Spain also would still like to purchase the 5 light Cruisers.

The Spanish Cavalry command is also interested on certain research of armored cars that have been rumored to be researched by a few nations. Spain is curious of our cavalry officers could spend time in the united states. They could help in advice on the current status of regular cavalry in current warfare. (Ergo allowing me to know you have tanks eventually so I can buy them.)

Japan inquires about the possibility of purchasing several Battlecruisers from the United States.

OOC: Yay more consolidation!

IC:

The Japanese are politely informed that the United States has little interest at this time in supplying ships for the IJN, used or new.

Though the Spanish are appreciated for their interest in Mr. Ford, the US government does not intervene in business interests in this way--talk of Ford sales should be taken up with that company. The United States does not have many surplus CLs but if Spain is willing to contract US shipyards to build the 5 cruisers it wants it can do so for full price. As for Spanish army observers, the request is politely declined for now. (Dont really feel like integrating my army with other commands right now, or sharing tank research--i'll let you know if I change my mind)

The Russian request for the contracting of cruisers is acknowledged although the US government imposes a limit of 5 of each type per year to be built. The US is willing to sell 4 escort flotillas for 3 points.

The Russian government tells the US government that due to budget changes, the ship built next year will be a single dreadnaught and ask if that would be acceptable.

OOC: You have a TG.

The Russian government tells the US government that due to budget changes, the ship built next year will be a single dreadnaught and ask if that would be acceptable.

OOC: You have a TG.

That's fine. Response to tg was in Chatzy

Tensions with Mexico boil over in early May 1914 when US sailors are accosted at Tampico. On May 15th President Teddy Roosevelt speaks to Congress about the pressing danger of allowing Mexico to continue in its instability without guidance. The Huerta regime, long opposed by Washington is blamed for the crisis and action should be taken to insure that it is removed.

As such, President Roosevelt asks permission of Congress to send US troops into Mexico to ensure the safety of American interests. Mexico is too important of a neighbor for any other lesser action to do.

Two US Marine Brigades are to land at Tampico and Veracruz respectively and one Army motorized infantry corps and one cavalry division are to cross the border (moving from Santa Fe to Ciudad Juarez and then to Chihuahua) to directly support the Constitutional Army under Pancho Villa and Venustiano Carranza in its campaign against the Huerta government. The rest of the army is put on a slightly higher alert and motorized infantry corps are moved to Phoenix and Brownsville. The Army Reserve is informed that its service will hopefully not prove necessary.

The Roosevelt Administration makes it known that the United States intends to ensure a stable government for the Mexican people once peace can be restored, by any means necessary.

The United States military finds itself engaged in its most serious conflict since the Spanish-American War...

Mid August through September, 1914

Fan S. Noli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_S._Noli), leader of the liberal republican Vatra party, founder of the Albanian Orthodox Church, popular leader among the Albanian American emigrant community, and Harvard graduate, arrives in the United States. He immediately begins setting up an Albanian alliance of republican opposition groups aimed at the overthrow of King Essad and the restoration of the Albanian Republic. To accomplish this he seeks support from organizations throughout America.

Noli's friends, a motley crew, offer what help they can. One group hires a charming Russian Aristocrat to lobby the American Government; unfortunately it turns out that his main passion in life, and the subject of all his conversations, is the tooth structure of dinosaurs. The Pan-Albanian Federation of America dispatches a missionary to lobby Congress while Noli seeks a personal audience with "that Great Republican" President Theodore Roosevelt.

Although the issue of Mexico dominates government affairs though much of the summer of 1914, President Roosevelt maintains his custom of meeting with republican officials from around the world. He greets Fan Noli at the White House in early September to discuss the future of Albania, a nation with which the United States has had unusually close ties (if not a sympathetic leaning toward) since its foundation.

Roosevelt apparently thoroughly enjoys his meeting with the straight-shooting Noli, who walks away from the Oval Office with a solid thump on the back, well wishes, and a discrete check for US government aid to his cause. (ooc: 5 points)

1914 Builds:
--CUT SPENDING--

Industry: 200
Commerce: 51
Domestic Resources: 60
Colonial Resources: 30
Foreign Resources (client states): 11
Unused Oil: 25.5
Unused Coal: 13
Domestic Food Sales: 33.7
Colonial Food Sales: 2.8
Repayment of Debts: 15 from Russia; 13.2 from Denmark
--455.2 Points to Spend--

Cut Spending Mode = 3% growth of total minus maintenence and social services
--Production Centers now equal Population Growth--

Population Growth
--1 million by 1915--

Domestic Expenditures:
Level 2 Social Safety Net for US--29.7 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Cuba--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Haiti--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Philippines--1.5 points
Level 1 Social Safety Net for Nicaragua--0.25 points
Level 2 Social Safety Net for Dominican Republic--0.25 points
Upkeep Intelligence Agency--5 points
Other Intel Missions--5 points
Total--42.2 points

Maintenence Costs:
US Navy=29.7 points
US Navy Bases and Yards=13.5
US Army=50.7 points (note that maintenence is doubled for supply stockpiles)
US Army Reserve=29.5 points
US Marine Corps=8 points (note that maintenence is doubled for supply stockpiles)
Aid to Haiti and Cuba--Upkeep 2 Garrison Units (one each)-0.5 points
Total Maintenence--131.9 points

Military Expenditures:
Refit 6 Dreads to oil burning--12 points (year 2 of 2)
Tank Research--12 points (year 2 of 2)
ASW Warfare--12 points
3 Superdreadnaughts--18 points (year 2 of 3)
10 Fortresses--10 points (year 2 of 5)
20 Heavy Cruisers--40 points (year 2 of 2)
10 Light Cruisers--10 points (year 2 of 2)
Convert 2 Passenger Liners to Improved Seaplane Carriers--6 points
2 Observation Planes (Air National Guard)--2 points
2 Fighter Planes--6 points
4 Fighter Planes (Air National Guard)--12 points
2 Motorized Infantry Corps--10 points
2 Assault Engineer Brigades--4 points
2 Marine Brigades--4 points
Total--158 points

Domestic Expenditures:
Trans-Alaskan Highway--20 points (year 2 of 5)
Panama Canal Construction--2 points
Total--22 points

Foreign Expenditures:
Aid to Haiti and Dominican Republic--2 points to grease palms and Cacos
Aid to Greece--12 points
Aid to Rumania--20 points
Aid to RoC--40 points
Support of Northern Mexican Rebels--10 points
Aid to Argentina--5 points
Aid to Brazil--5 points
Aid to Bolivia--3 points
Infastructure for DR and Nicaragua--2 points (year 1 of 3)
Funding of Antarctic Expeditions--1 point
Total--88 points

1.1 points in reserve (if not spent go to IRC)

The New Turkish Republic asks for support and aid from US government to help stablize the young republic in its goals of becoming a strong and repectable Republic like the US.

The New Turkish Republic asks for support and aid from US government to help stablize the young republic in its goals of becoming a strong and repectable Republic like the US.

The United States happily recognizes the young Republic and extends 8 points of modernization aid to that nation in 1915. (American negotiators pound out a deal akin to the Chester Concession in RL in exchange.) A treaty of friendship, mostly for ceremony, is drawn up and put before Congress where it passes with out too much trouble.

Frontrunners for the 1916 Presidental nomination

The Democrat in the lead for the likely nominiation is James Cox, Governor of Ohio and former member of Congress.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_M._Cox

Also in the race is Champ Clark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_Clark), Speaker of the House of Representatives, and Williams Jenning Bryan is also running again (Mainly because he doesn't like Charmp Clark). Woodrow Wilson however declines to run again.

Meanwhile the Republicans are trying to determine if Teddy plans to run again. Considerable pressure for him not to exists, as the 2 Term tradition is very strong, and it is felt that Teddy has violated the spirit, although not the letter of that tradtion (running twice on his own but serving 3 terms after taking over after the assassination of McKinley)

Some deep divisions are in the Republican Party, and a likely compromise candidate is Associate Justice Charles Evans Hughes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Evans_Hughes).

Spain says it will do exactly that. And will contact Mr. Ford diorectly. The turning down of advicors is shrugged off, and is simply said that the United States always knows who to talk to if they wish to change their mind.

The contracting of American shipyards for such an order is perfectly fine, and in fact exactly what Spain wanted. The 5 ships will be paid for each year as if we built them ourselves. We thank you for your genorisity.

Frontrunners for the 1916 Presidental nomination

The Democrat in the lead for the likely nominiation is James Cox, Governor of Ohio and former member of Congress.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_M._Cox

Also in the race is Champ Clark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_Clark), Speaker of the House of Representatives, and Williams Jenning Bryan is also running again (Mainly because he doesn't like Charmp Clark). Woodrow Wilson however declines to run again.

Meanwhile the Republicans are trying to determine if Teddy plans to run again. Considerable pressure for him not to exists, as the 2 Term tradition is very strong, and it is felt that Teddy has violated the spirit, although not the letter of that tradtion (running twice on his own but serving 3 terms after taking over after the assassination of McKinley)

Some deep divisions are in the Republican Party, and a likely compromise candidate is Associate Justice Charles Evans Hughes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Evans_Hughes).

OOC: in fact, TR won his own races in 1904, 1908, and 1912 so the two term tradition already received its bullet in the head from a Roosevelt this century. Naturally, talk is quite strong in all sorts of places to put an official limit on presidents to 2 terms in office.

IC: President Roosevelt announces in the lead up to the 1914 Congressional Elections (which dont make a substantial change in the composition of the House or Senate) that he will not seek another term in 1916. His lasting contributions to the American Republic are undeniable. Roosevelt and Hughes are not the best of friends by any stretch of the imagination, but Roosevelt (realizing the force of his personality can not keep the Republican Party together forever) is in favor of Hughes running to avoid a split.

More OOC: I would think that in this timeline the Republican Party is considerably more progressive, having had Teddy at the helm continuously for over a decade. Still more conservative than Democrats, but closer to the center?

OOC: in fact, TR won his own races in 1904, 1908, and 1912 so the two term tradition already received its bullet in the head from a Roosevelt this century. Naturally, talk is quite strong in all sorts of places to put an official limit on presidents to 2 terms in office.

IC: President Roosevelt announces in the lead up to the 1914 Congressional Elections (which dont make a substantial change in the composition of the House or Senate) that he will not seek another term in 1916. His lasting contributions to the American Republic are undeniable. Roosevelt and Hughes are not the best of friends by any stretch of the imagination, but Roosevelt (realizing the force of his personality can not keep the Republican Party together forever) is in favor of Hughes running to avoid a split.

More OOC: I would think that in this timeline the Republican Party is considerably more progressive, having had Teddy at the helm continuously for over a decade. Still more conservative than Democrats, but closer to the center?

ooc
his running for yet another term would be certain to get a backlash from the Democrats to get an amendment to limit Presidential terms. His health by the way is also declining. He may not get injured or sick on safaris, but the additional pressure is still aging him harshly after serving nearly 14 years so far as President. Even Teddy isn't invincable.

Hughes is pretty moderate. However, its almost a certainity that the Democrats would win next election as most voters would be willing to give them a chance as the Democrats haven't had the Presidency since 1896 when Grover Cleveland completed his term of office.

ooc
his running for yet another term would be certain to get a backlash from the Democrats to get an amendment to limit Presidential terms. His health by the way is also declining. He may not get injured or sick on safaris, but the additional pressure is still aging him harshly after serving nearly 14 years so far as President. Even Teddy isn't invincable.

Hughes is pretty moderate. However, its almost a certainity that the Democrats would win next election as most voters would be willing to give them a chance as the Democrats haven't had the Presidency since 1896 when Grover Cleveland completed his term of office.

OOC: weeps uncontrollably

....anyway...

So, some questions about the viability of this plan:

16th and 17th Amendments are passed already as of 1914. However, I was thinking that Women's Sufferage would come to the United States a little early. Reasons would be that TR and the Progressives that are still a part of the Republican Party were in favor of it and the movement has more momentum in this timeline with an earlier WW1 bringing it to major nations like France. There was a vote on the amendment in January 1915 that was voted down in our timeline that I think could pass in this one.

Also, I think that Prohibition is avoidable on a federal level in this timeline, mostly because one major factor that finally allowed its passage in RL (hostility to Germans because of the war) doesnt exist now. I am not aware of Roosevelt ever really pushing for this measure either, but after 1916 that will become less relevant. I am less sure of my reasoning on this one though.

Short version--women's sufferage would be the 18th Amendment and effective by 1916 while prohibition would not pass (or be delayed until it becomes the 19th Amendment if nothing else)

If some authority figure could let me know if these plans are terribly unbased in reality, let me know--thanks!

Forgive me, I don't know much American history, but didn't women's rights get a big boost from WW1? Seems like not joining a huge war would make them less, not more, effective.

[OOC- Cox for President! Cox for President!

That is all I have to say.]

Forgive me, I don't know much American history, but didn't women's rights get a big boost from WW1? Seems like not joining a huge war would make them less, not more, effective.

hrmmm, a good point that I had not considered...

The Kingdom of Armenia asks the US for a loan of 16 points in 1915 so it may finish its production center and reminds the US government that it's people have suffered through genocide, commited by the former Ottoman Empire.

hrmmm, a good point that I had not considered...

yes, World War I did speed of the right of women to vote in the US, but it was already happening in local and state elections in a lot of places. So it wasn't the decisive event. Then the first thing those women did was bring on Prohibition (chuckle), although World War I and patriotism made it possible.

So no World War I, then prohibition is much delayed and a mostly local issue, but women will still get the vote soon, especially if the Democrats are smart enough to make it an issue in their campaign for the Presidency in 1916.

The Kingdom of Armenia asks the US for a loan of 16 points in 1915 so it may finish its production center and reminds the US government that it's people have suffered through genocide, commited by the former Ottoman Empire.

The United States approves this loan, on the condition that 16 points are paid back by 1921. Armenia may take until 1922 to pay back the debt but will have to pay an extra point for the delay.

The United States approves this loan, on the condition that 16 points are paid back by 1921. Armenia may take until 1922 to pay back the debt but will have to pay an extra point for the delay.

Armenia readily agrees.

The Brazilian Navy approaches Washington with a contract for the reconstruction of the Brazilian Navy. All construction costs will be paid for by Brazil and 11 additional points will be paid. The desired ships are:
1 Destroyer
2 Minesweepers
2 Escorts
3 Heavy Cruisers
3 Battlecruisers (Improved BC’s if you’ll allow it)

Any and all of this list can be changed to better suit the U.S. I know it's probably a big order but 8.5 million sq. kilometers of coast is a lot to protect.

Japanese officials, led by the Japanese Foreign Minister, begin a tour of American cities in an attempt to repair relations between the United States and Japan.
Cities Visited:
Seatle
San Fransisco
San Diego
Dallas
New Orleans
Atlanta
Raleigh
Washington, D.C (extended time spent to talk with congressmen and senators)
Philadelphea
New York City
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles

(Listed in order the officials with visit them)

The Brazilian Navy approaches Washington with a contract for the reconstruction of the Brazilian Navy. All construction costs will be paid for by Brazil and 11 additional points will be paid. The desired ships are:
1 Destroyer
2 Minesweepers
2 Escorts
3 Heavy Cruisers
3 Battlecruisers (Improved BC’s if you’ll allow it)

Any and all of this list can be changed to better suit the U.S. I know it's probably a big order but 8.5 million sq. kilometers of coast is a lot to protect.

Eager to improve relations with Brazil, the United States approves this deal. The additional fee of 11 points is appreciated, but not really necessary if there are more important things for Brazil to spend on. Washington approves 1 improved BC if the other 2 are standard.

Japanese officials, led by the Japanese Foreign Minister, begin a tour of American cities in an attempt to repair relations between the United States and Japan.
Cities Visited:
Seatle
San Fransisco
San Diego
Dallas
New Orleans
Atlanta
Raleigh
Washington, D.C (extended time spent to talk with congressmen and senators)
Philadelphea
New York City
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles

(Listed in order the officials with visit them)

US officials greet the Japanese, happy for the chance to improve relations that have suffered rather greatly since the Great War. President Roosevelt spends a few hours with the delegation in Washington D.C. discussing the balance of power in the Pacific.

US Navy Department officials make a point of asking how big the Japanese intend to increase the size of their fleet to in the Pacific--the idea of another arms race so soon after a balance has been found with the British leaves a bad taste in officials' mouths...

US officials greet the Japanese, happy for the chance to improve relations that have suffered rather greatly since the Great War. President Roosevelt spends a few hours with the delegation in Washington D.C. discussing the balance of power in the Pacific.

US Navy Department officials make a point of asking how big the Japanese intend to increase the size of their fleet to in the Pacific--the idea of another arms race so soon after a balance has been found with the British leaves a bad taste in officials' mouths...

USA is informed Japan's navy won't be built any larger than necessary, but large enough to defend our empire

Greece informs USA that the outstanding 3 points will be repaid in 1917.

Meanwhile, Greek journalists try to sell to the more liberal papers, the story of the American funded Albanian Civil War which left thousands of Greeks dead.

Greece informs USA that the outstanding 3 points will be repaid in 1917.

Meanwhile, Greek journalists try to sell to the more liberal papers, the story of the American funded Albanian Civil War which left thousands of Greeks dead.

OOC: funded is such a strong term... :cool:

IC: Greece is thanked for its quick repayment of its debt

OOC: likely my last post with any sort of authority as the US before the 1916 elections, though if this is to have no effect, anybody is free to ignore it.

IC: Specific policy initiatives as the end of the Roosevelt Administration approaches include...

--TR quietly approaching the Justice Department to explore the possibility of moves against Trotsky who currently resides in the United States.

--Commitment to Latin America for infastructure spending with spare funds in the budget. The realization has been made that continued American military intervention in the region is in many ways a stop gap measure when the root causes of instability can be addressed. However, American troops continue to occupy northern Mexico, both as a buffer against any evils generated by instability farther south, and as a guarantee of stability in the regions most affected by the US economy. Rumors swirl about the outright annexation of chunks of territory like Baja, but these carry little weight for now.

--Roosevelt announces that the American commitment to its friends overseas, especially in areas of critical interest like East Asia, will not be forgotten while he remains in office. He urges his successor (still undecided as the 1916 campaign drags on, but likely to be Cox) to continue shipments of aid to the Republic of China, a bastion of Democracy in that part of the world.