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The plans had been in the works for years. Prince Phobo's engineers and designers had been refining non-step since even before the nation of Shadow SeaQuest had even been formed.

The giant craft, larger, stronger, and more powerful than any previously known would require not only the best science the Dark Empire had, but also its best magick and pseudo-science as well. Even the powers of the Abyss itself would have to be tapped before this project was complete.

The plan called for the Citadel, a giant world-ship that would serve as the base of operations for major offensive actions, a last line of defense for the empire, a statement ship, a mobile home away from home for Prince Phobos, better known as the Abyss in some circles, a fall-back point in case the capital world should ever fall, as well as several other goals. Of course, due to the size, most would sit unused for generations upon generations even after she had been completed.

The finalized design would be nigh unstoppable by the lesser nations out there and even a few of the older nations would have difficulty dealing with her.

Holo-Image of final design:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/SeaQuest_Sim/Schematics/Shadow%20SeaQuest/themagog.jpg

Construction had now begun on the Dark Empire's single planned super-uber ship. Since it the estimated length of time required for construction was so long, the plan was to keep the build site's location as secret as possible for as long as possible.

OOC: OOC comments welcome. Just so you know, I intend to have construction on this leviathan of a juggernaut take a long, LONG time in RL at the rate of 1 RL day = 1 NS year. So, in my estimates, it should be launched no sooner than when SSQ reaches 2 billion in population.
I may also end up building similar ships for my other two SeaQuests (SQ and SQDSV) that I RP with.

OOC: OOC reactions will be appreciated.
Also know, I may or may not continue to post updates in this thread occasionaly regarding the progress on construction. So, constructive OOC comments and reactions will be welcome from now until launch.

ooc: How will you move a star, as well as the planets without frying the worlds?
What weapons/defences will it have?
What will the 'bridges' be made of to keep?

It's a Magog worldship. What more do you want us to say about it? It's big, wanky and rather silly looking.

(My opinion is that it's a waste of money and that glassing the sun and or planet is a cheaper alternative.)

That and a single superlaser-esque strike to one of the planets would annihilate it completely, as its structural integrity would be zilch.

That and a single superlaser-esque strike to one of the planets would annihilate it completely, as its structural integrity would be zilch.

(You kids and your superlasers >.>)

OOC: Assuming that is like the cannon one, it can survive that sun in the middle going supernova. A superlaser wont do very much damage

That's a pretty damn small sun (far under the limit for it to be self-sustaining anyway), so I doubt a supernova from that would cause much damage compared to a superlaser...

Er; why wouldn't someone like, come and blow it up before you finished building it? Since, if my nation really cared about that side of the universe, that's what we'd probably do.

OOC: What POSSIBLE use is this? Its size makes it vulnerable to high yield c fractional weapons from well outside the light second engagement horizon and its not exactly built to dodge and you cant really safely take it in system.

How long exactly do you intend to spend building this, a few centuries and where unto god did you get the resources?

How do you propell it?

Without the magog link to the abyss how do you intend to stop it flying apart at the slightest impact or stress from passing other major stellar bodies?

How can you consider such puppet wankery as selling them to your self?

How can you consider wasteing resources on something that is not only less usefull than a battle planetoid but also far greater a target. This thing is large enough to be succesfully targeted by interstellar relavistics.

How do you keep the star burning without a massive waste of power and infact why do you NEED the star given your not useing the surface of the worlds? All it does is increase your visible abledo so every blind mole person can target you from three systems over. Its also smaller than a brown dwarf given those appear to be solid worlds welded to the frame.

(Also, if you don't want your worlds to fall and whatnot. Don't invest in an emergency planet, invest in your PR department and in a better Navy ;) )

With a surprisingly heavy thump, a flyer landed on Prince Phobos’ doomat.

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OOC: Like I said, its built using science, pseudo-science, and magick. I'm going to leave it at that in that department as I don't feel like going into all the usless filler technobabble that means squat which people usually like to put with things like this. Thus, I'll lay out the basic framework of techobabble that actually means something.

A lot of the questions you asked could be summed up by something I stated in the original post. One purpose of this is to make a statement.

Now, I don't recall ever saying anywhere at what scale it would be built at. It could be full canon size or not. I've not yet decided.

Oh, and who said anything about the thing in the middle being a 'sun'? I don't recall its nature being mentioned in the episode. IMHO, I'm considering that the power core (you need a lot of juice to fire the features I'm giving her). Of course, just because the energy is visible in the picture I've given (IMHO, I think its a flare caused by a power-up prior to firing the primary weapon), that doesn't mean its like that 24/7/365. If you recall the Meethas(sp?) star (a framework artificial star), then think of it like that in the 'off' mode when its operating normally.

@Zepplin Manufacturers: Where did I say anything about selling them to myself? As all three of my SeaQuests are enemies, that wouldn't be possible anyways.

As for why I'm building it, other than being a statement maker, it'll put me on par with people who fly around with fleets of worldships (Eldar craftworlds, for example) and other uber-weapons of destruction.

And I guess you missed the part about my Dark Paradine, Spirits Of The Abyss, Avatars Of The Abyss, and the Abyss in SSQ (SQDSV has the Lambient Kiith Nebula, Light Paradine, and so on). I know what my guys can and can't do. This, while a little excessive I admit,

Oh, and this time, I'm not backing down like I did when I originally brought up the idea of using one of my nations to build a worldship.

If you don't like it, then fine. All that has to be done in future RPs for it to show up is for either me to start it, or for all parties to agree to it.

@Theao: The 'bridges', as you termed them, will be formed out of the material carved out from the inside of the Class D hunks of rock.

For STL propulsion, the standard one should do. SSQ/SQ/SQDSV ships use a Gravimetric/Hyper-Real Space drive system (don't ask for the technobabble behind it as I'm not going to make it up). FTL will be standard Slipstream (though I've got something planned for SQ later along down the line).

Offense wise, it'll have the canon PSPs and PSP bombs, along with non-canon toys I'll be adding to make it more combat worthy.

Defense wise, it'll have my standard trans-spatial shielding as well as deployable (or permantly fixed (haven't decided yet)) Shadow armor. There will also be a PDS and other options that also make it more likely to survive (combat and regular space travel).

As for how the worlds don't get fried, well, a Class D world is already fried. Standard radiation shielding (plust the rock itself) protects the stuff on the inside.

@The Cassiopeia Galaxy: I agree. Superlasers are overused on NS. IMHO, a large platform with more 'standard' weapons would be more useful.

I admit, this is a little indulgent on my part, and your suggestion on the cheaper method being better has merit. However, you forget that IC'ly, SSQ may not care about being cheap or not.

SSQ is to be the proverbial serpant in the Garden Of Eden called the NS-verse. Thus, I'm trying to work things for it that go along with that IC philosophy. As the national philosophy goes, the strong survive and the weak perish. SSQ is a mix of the Abyss, Shadows, and my own dark side.

@Otagia: It would have to be a Death Star super laser strike as, far as I recall, no Eclipse SSD, Soverign SSD, or any SD or SSD equipped with an Axial Super Laser would do more than crack the surface and render the surface unihabitable.

Oh, and I could care less how you think it looks. Your sense of aesthetics is not my own, nor would I want it to be.

And if you think this is wank, then you'll have to admit that other things along the same lines (like US's Galaxy Gun, for example) are just as wank.

@ElectronX: You would have to find it first. Like I'm going to accept the GMed wank that you could find it without having to RP an intel gathering mission first. As SSQ pretty much has been keeping to itself, and, except for the OOC, this is a Secret IC thread, you would have no justication in claiming you knew about the construction of this IC'ly.

@Spizania: IIRC, it survived the super-nova (due to 40 Nova Bombs) because the Abyss absorbed the energy from the blast.

(Also, if you don't want your worlds to fall and whatnot. Don't invest in an emergency planet, invest in your PR department and in a better Navy ;) )


OOC: I would agree. But my SQs have been the standard scape goat around NS lately. Just look how many people are gunning for me. I would rather spend my defense budget on something I could defend myself with than paying bribes to other nations just so they don't gang up on me in another dogpile.

With a surprisingly heavy thump, a flyer landed on Prince Phobos’ doomat.

Do you have: A megastructure?
Lots of people?
Vast armies?
Populations of peasants in space-vehicles?

Then IG Home appliances wishes to do business with you! We have a large and very cheap range of dishwashers, toilets, showers, garbage disposal units (including special ‘crushers’ that can compact tonnes of material at a time), refrigerators (both for food and persons), coffeemakers, cappuccino machines, condom dispensers, massage chairs, electric ovens, air conditioning, exercise gear, space heaters, trouser presses, microwaves, and quadrillions of other domestic products!

Conquer the universe in style, with IG – InterGalactic in scale, IntraGalactic in price! Telephone for a catalogue today!

OOC: I hope you don't intend for me to take that seriously, Ctan. Now, would you mind posting your actual OOC opinion/reaction instead of trying to be funny?

OOC: I hope you don't intend for me to take that seriously, Ctan.Sure I do. Is Prince Phobos immune to junk-mail? Disappointing, that.

Sure I do. Is Prince Phobos immune to junk-mail? Disappointing, that.
OOC: Still, its borderline spam. And that's not the point of this thread.

OOC: IC spam is still IC.

OOC: IC spam is still IC.

OOC: Meh, I'll give you that. But the reason I posted this Secret IC/OOC thread was to get OOC reactions and opinions, not IC junk mail.

And why would the Necrons even be sending me junk mail to begin with?

OOC: Still, its borderline spam. And that's not the point of this thread.

OOC: Fair enough. It's a wafer of anti-matter inside null-matter, inside paper, teleported into place. When he rips it up, it'll explode with the force of about fifty hiroshima bombs. Assassination attempt by an eccentric quasi-C'tani citizen. That's why it's suspisiously heavy.

There, that better?

I think the second half of the post you are responding to said I didn't care, ICly my nation couldn't be asked to give a fuck if you offered them a quasar sized diamond. But that is really besides the point; you can have secret fleets, and secret research projects, and secret armies, hell Germany had troops secretly trained in other countries, but this is ... different. Anyone versed at all in sophisticated gravimetric detection technology (gravity wankery, the buggers) could SEE that you've clustered some planets together OVER A GIANT GLOWING GLOWY BALL OF GLOWING ENERGY!

At this point you've gone beyond the ability to keep something like this secret: the universe is a big place, that is certain, but people have been exploring it with all kinds of instruments since man first looked up into the sky. We've found (or think we've found) planets thousands of lightyears away with modern technology. Just with modern technology when you put it into the context of NationStates.

The average FT citizen probably has astronomy gear more powerful than Hubble and all the observatories on Earth combined, but what about the multi billion dollar space agencys that launch high tech problems to the four corners of the universe? Or use the FT version of of the Hubble telescope? They can see alot, and your massive station of DOOM is alot to see, so if anyone out there in the future tech universe knows about it, they for damn sure wont keep it under their hats.

it'll put me on par with people who fly around with fleets of worldships (Eldar craftworlds, for example)
Craftworlds are only about 400 kilometers in length. Yours is what, at least 65,000 kilometers, and around 10 times the mass of Earth? Anyway, Eldar only have a single Craftworld, which is basically the equivalent of a planet in the first place.

It would have to be a Death Star super laser strike as, far as I recall, no Eclipse SSD, Soverign SSD, or any SD or SSD equipped with an Axial Super Laser would do more than crack the surface and render the surface unihabitable.
IIRC, Eclipse-grade axial superlasers are about 1/3 the power of the DS laser. Meanwhile, the DS laser has enough energy to detonate an earth size planet a million times over (6 orders of magnitude above that required to overcome a planet's gravity and reduce it to an asteroid field). So, yes, even an SSD like the ones mentioned above could pop it easily.

And if you think this is wank, then you'll have to admit that other things along the same lines (like US's Galaxy Gun, for example) are just as wank.
Not really. His isn't much bigger than an ISD, IIRC. Yours is what, thirty thousand times larger?

I think the second half of the post you are responding to said I didn't care, ICly my nation couldn't be asked to give a fuck if you offered them a quasar sized diamond. But that is really besides the point; you can have secret fleets, and secret research projects, and secret armies, hell Germany had troops secretly trained in other countries, but this is ... different. Anyone versed at all in sophisticated gravimetric detection technology (gravity wankery, the buggers) could SEE that you've clustered some planets together OVER A GIANT GLOWING GLOWY BALL OF GLOWING ENERGY!

At this point you've gone beyond the ability to keep something like this secret: the universe is a big place, that is certain, but people have been exploring it with all kinds of instruments since man first looked up into the sky. We've found (or think we've found) planets thousands of lightyears away with modern technology. Just with modern technology when you put it into the context of NationStates.

The average FT citizen probably has astronomy gear more powerful than Hubble and all the observatories on Earth combined, but what about the multi billion dollar space agencys that launch high tech problems to the four corners of the universe? Or use the FT version of of the Hubble telescope? They can see alot, and your massive station of DOOM is alot to see, so if anyone out there in the future tech universe knows about it, they for damn sure wont keep it under their hats.

Planets come first. When they are in place, then the power core, what you term the "giant glowing glowy ball of glowing energy" (which, I once again remind you, doesn't always look like a star (just when its at full power in either combat situations or a statement needs to be made)).

Now, while you make a very good point, who said it was being built in the NS-verse? As all my SQ's are signers of the TA (two are waiting for IP to get back and add them (that reminds me, I've got to have him change the name of the one on the list due to recent IC backstory events)), that means I can use alternate realities without IP or one of his group barging in and ruining the story line.

And don't forget about the good ol' Route Of Ages.

Craftworlds are only about 400 kilometers in length. Yours is what, at least 65,000 kilometers, and around 10 times the mass of Earth? Anyway, Eldar only have a single Craftworld, which is basically the equivalent of a planet in the first place.

I never mentioned what dimensions I was using.

IIRC, Eclipse-grade axial superlasers are about 1/3 the power of the DS laser. Meanwhile, the DS laser has enough energy to detonate an earth size planet a million times over (6 orders of magnitude above that required to overcome a planet's gravity and reduce it to an asteroid field). So, yes, even an SSD like the ones mentioned above could pop it easily.

Cite your source. If its that God-wanking SD.net, then I won't accept it.

According to official SW info I've read, an Eclipse class SSD (biggest with an ASL below DS) can only crack the surface of a planet thus rendering the surface unihabitable.

Not really. His isn't much bigger than an ISD, IIRC. Yours is what, thirty thousand times larger?

Once again, I remind you I've not yet stated if I'll use canon or my own custom dimensions.

OOC: Fair enough. It's a wafer of anti-matter inside null-matter, inside paper, teleported into place. When he rips it up, it'll explode with the force of about fifty hiroshima bombs. Assassination attempt by an eccentric quasi-C'tani citizen. That's why it's suspisiously heavy.

There, that better?

OOC: *Rolls eyes*

Ctan, if you can't post your OOC comments and response to the Citadel, then I politely ask you to stop clogging up my thread with spam, be it IC or OOC.

Well, if it's not canon-sized, then the wankiness drops proportionally. Then again, so does your survivability against superlasers, c-fracs, etc.

As for my source on DS power, I was indeed using SD.net. However, it's hard to refute his point there. Even if he's wrong about the velocity of the chunks of planet, it still blew up violently and quickly. His figure for planetary destruction is accurate, so the power output is obviously exponentially greater than needed. As the 1/3 figure on axial lasers is what I see pretty much everywhere ('specially on NS), I'll assume it's accurate. Thus, they can still frag planets nicely.

Anyway, that's assuming canon SW superlasers. As many people cart around other types of PKing weaponry, often bigger than axial superlasers, or at least more efficient. My Malkavian Doctors, for instance.

post your OOC comments

Alright. It's ludicrous, impractical, ugly, oversized, and makes you look like you've got an inferiority complex. Various others have posted reasons for these various opinons, which I share, above ∴ I shan't bother to explain my reasons. All in all, it's quite an entertaining construct, which is why I decided to send you some entertaining IC spam.

Well, if it's not canon-sized, then the wankiness drops proportionally. Then again, so does your survivability against superlasers, c-fracs, etc.

OOC: True. Can't argue with you there. Though sacrafices have to be made to make things work.

As for my source on DS power, I was indeed using SD.net. However, it's hard to refute his point there. Even if he's wrong about the velocity of the chunks of planet, it still blew up violently and quickly. His figure for planetary destruction is accurate, so the power output is obviously exponentially greater than needed. As the 1/3 figure on axial lasers is what I see pretty much everywhere ('specially on NS), I'll assume it's accurate. Thus, they can still frag planets nicely.

I'm not refuting the 1/3 power thing. From what I understand, an ASL only cracks a planets crust allowing lethal mantle fumes to rise up with magma/lava and render the surface unihabitable.

Anyway, that's assuming canon SW superlasers. As many people cart around other types of PKing weaponry, often bigger than axial superlasers, or at least more efficient. My Malkavian Doctors, for instance.

Meh, agreed. I've got my canon super weapon that goes with the tech base as well as a custom one. Though, when one ship, a single heavy cruiser (canon one without my SSQ customizations), has the firepower to decimate a planet, super weapons like ASLs tend to be power hungry wastes, especially when you can make new ammo on the fly internally from space detrius.

Alright. It's ludicrous, impractical, ugly, oversized, and makes you look like you've got an inferiority complex. Various others have posted reasons for these various opinons, which I share, above ∴ I shan't bother to explain my reasons. All in all, it's quite an entertaining construct, which is why I decided to send you some entertaining IC spam.

OOC: Uhhh, all right. I take it you don't like it.

Though, you can't argue on the size bit (look at your ship sizes (Necron ships, IIRC, are the largest from the WH40k universe)).

OOC: Uhhh, all right. I take it you don't like it.

Though, you can't argue on the size bit (look at your ship sizes (Necron ships, IIRC, are the largest from the WH40k universe)).
Of which he has a very small number; that's called balance. Nothing about this thing is balanced, nothing. Apparently you will not heed my repeated warnings and abandon stupid projects such as this; alluding to the fact you would use IP's stupid little accord as a way to dimension wank the construction of this thing is proof enough. So what you do is what you do, but don't be surprised when what respect some still have for you vanishes when you try to use this bungling abomination.

Of which he has a very small number; that's called balance. Nothing about this thing is balanced, nothing. Apparently you will not heed my repeated warnings and abandon stupid projects such as this; alluding to the fact you would use IP's stupid little accord as a way to dimension wank the construction of this thing is proof enough. So what you do is what you do, but don't be surprised when what respect some still have for you vanishes when you try to use this bungling abomination.

OOC: Look here, you little prick. I am sick and tired of you trying to tell me how what I can and can't do with my nations. So, unless you have something constructive, then bugger off.

OOC: Look here, you little prick. I am sick and tired of you trying to tell me how what I can and can't do with my nations. So, unless you have something constructive, then bugger off.
Oh yes, I am the prick for telling you that it is a bad idea to make an ass of yourself every time you embark on one of these little 'ventures' of yours. It never changes; you do something stupid, we call you on it, you back up on your haunches, plug your fingers in your ears, and yell "NENERNENERNENER!" till we all give up and mobe on. This cycle has -never- been broken, ever.

The TSLP incident, the Cluster fiasco, the Solarian league bullshit, and the more recent covenent craziness; you just don't know when to give up because you see conceeding ANYTHING as losing, and By God SeaQuest just can't lose anything can he?

What do you do instead? You claim ANY criticism that isn't kissing your ass, as negative and a belittling of your person (draftroom incident is a good example) so you don't have to listen. Well whatever, as I said do as you will; nothing me or anyone has ever said ever stopped you from being stupid before.

Oh yes, I am the prick for telling you that it is a bad idea to make an ass of yourself every time you embark on one of these little 'ventures' of yours. It never changes; you do something stupid, we call you on it, you back up on your haunches, plug your fingers in your ears, and yell "NENERNENERNENER!" till we all give up and mobe on. This cycle has -never- been broken, ever.

The TSLP incident, the Cluster fiasco, the Solarian league bullshit, and the more recent covenent craziness; you just don't know when to give up because you see conceeding ANYTHING as losing, and By God SeaQuest just can't lose anything can he?

What do you do instead? You claim ANY criticism that isn't kissing your ass, as negative and a belittling of your person (draftroom incident is a good example) so you don't have to listen. Well whatever, as I said do as you will; nothing me or anyone has ever said ever stopped you from being stupid before.

OOC: The thing with TSLP, which, IIRC, was one of your puppets, was caused by constant wankary and GMing.

As for MM's Covenant puppet, that was done with his usual GM-wanking. He GM-wanked his own stuff into god-like invinciblity and had the odacity to say what my tech can and can't do.

The thing with Rezo on the Draftroom forums was because Rezo was one hell of an asshole. Like you are being now. The fact that his obvious flame baiting (backed by the NS rules) was supported by the Draftboard admin and a Jolt moderator makes me seriously doubt people like that even know the meaning of common decency.

Same thing as usual happened with MM's TSL puppet. He attempted to GM my characters doing something they did not.

The Cluster was caused by even more wanking and GMing by others towards me. In that instance, even Bal was guilty of it.

Now, MM is covered by a blanket ignore from me. His main nation and all of his puppets are not even acknowledged because of his GM-wanking.

Now, if you actually opened your eyes, you would note I actually am the first to offer compromise when things get dicey.

I've accepted the truth and the facts. Now its time you did as well.

Now, I'll ask you nicely one last time to please leave my threads and myself alone.

OOC: The thing with TSLP, which, IIRC, was one of your puppets, was caused by constant wankary and GMing.

As for MM's Covenant puppet, that was done with his usual GM-wanking. He GM-wanked his own stuff into god-like invinciblity and had the odacity to say what my tech can and can't do.

The thing with Rezo on the Draftroom forums was because Rezo was one hell of an asshole. Like you are being now. The fact that his obvious flame baiting (backed by the NS rules) was supported by the Draftboard admin and a Jolt moderator makes me seriously doubt people like that even know the meaning of common decency.

Same thing as usual happened with MM's TSL puppet. He attempted to GM my characters doing something they did not.

The Cluster was caused by even more wanking and GMing by others towards me. In that instance, even Bal was guilty of it.

Now, MM is covered by a blanket ignore from me. His main nation and all of his puppets are not even acknowledged because of his GM-wanking.

Now, if you actually opened your eyes, you would note I actually am the first to offer compromise when things get dicey.

I've accepted the truth and the facts. Now its time you did as well.

Now, I'll ask you nicely one last time to please leave my threads and myself alone.

Ok, great, you missed my point by well over a mile; namely, you can't take criticism and refuse, outright bloody REFUSE to concede ANYTHING! There is possibly a legion of people I could get to confirm this; Anisarian and Chrono are good examples if they feel like it, but that would derail this thing further than you already have. Everytime, everytime I have tried so hard to help you, more than I should have mind, but you flat out ignore me at every turn. Then shit gets ugly, and you probably don't even wonder why. Well, again for what may be the millionth time: it's because you don't listen and will never admit defeat. Granted you stopped the lecturing nonsense, but nothing else.

Really, you took the cake when you alluded to the fact you might use that stupid TA nonsense to construct this thing so no one could blow it up. That's called wank, horrible wank in fact so you can somehow magic the resources and labor into existence to build this... thing. This thing which probably acts like honey to flies as far as MAC rounds are concerned. Incase you're unaware; bullet magnet. That thing can't dodge it's so damn big.

But whatever, if you want me gone I guess I will go knowing that I tried to help at least, so my soul will not be burdened when you crash and burn.

Ok, great, you missed my point by well over a mile; namely, you can't take criticism and refuse, outright bloody REFUSE to concede ANYTHING! There is possibly a legion of people I could get to confirm this; Anisarian and Chrono are good examples if they feel like it, but that would derail this thing further than you already have. Everytime, everytime I have tried so hard to help you, more than I should have mind, but you flat out ignore me at every turn. Then shit gets ugly, and you probably don't even wonder why. Well, again for what may be the millionth time: it's because you don't listen and will never admit defeat. Granted you stopped the lecturing nonsense, but nothing else.

Really, you took the cake when you alluded to the fact you might use that stupid TA nonsense to construct this thing so no one could blow it up. That's called wank, horrible wank in fact so you can somehow magic the resources and labor into existence to build this... thing. This thing which probably acts like honey to flies as far as MAC rounds are concerned. Incase you're unaware; bullet magnet. That thing can't dodge it's so damn big.

But whatever, if you want me gone I guess I will go knowing that I tried to help at least, so my soul will not be burdened when you crash and burn.

First off, if you tried dropping the thinly veiled insults, you might get progress.

Secondly, you are forgetting that this is going to take thousands of IC years to build (look back in the first post for planned launch date (could be pushed back from that)).

And I'm fully aware that big ships are god-damn bullet magnets. But if you are going to yell at me for that, then yell at everyone else with ships the size of cities, if not states! Let alone everyone else flying around in planetships, worldships, craftworlds, or whatever the hell you call them.

Of course its not going to dodge! Its not supposed to! That's why I've got my defense systems.

The reference to the TA was just that, a reference! Not something that would happen! You were going to GM by saying that no matter where I built it, you would find it. Thus, I responded on the same level.

Stop misinterpreting people, and then claiming they said something that they didn't. EX was right in saying that -

1 - Space is big. Really, really big. But we can see lots of it with our present level of technology.

2 - With technology that allows you to travel faster than the speed of light (effectively), ravage planets, construct leviathan ships beyond our comprehension, and manipulate energy fields to form coherently in order to block matter, the technology present no doubt allows us a near-perfect knowledge of astronomy.

3 - Thus, you build something, chances are someone'll find it. He didn't GM by saying he knew of the craft, and would be searching for it beforehand, but, realistically, you can expect someone to discover your construction. Wanking with multiple universes is not only unsporting, but it's tantamount to GMing in its own right, by stating that someone else *couldn't* find it.

Just popping by to put a slightly less paranoid spin on things.

First off, if you tried dropping the thinly veiled insults, you might get progress.


Nothing 'veiled' about my insults that are in response to yours, unless calling people pricks isn't an insult now.

Secondly, you are forgetting that this is going to take thousands of IC years to build (look back in the first post for planned launch date (could be pushed back from that)).

... ... ... You want to spend thousands of years building something, therefore rendering it absolete and worthless? Not to mention the unbelievable research and upkeep cost if you want to keep it current at all and want the thing to actually -work- when it's finished will be astronomical (you'd have to scrap it after you ran out of money and dug your economy into a hole for like the millionth time, otherwise you'd be spending TENS of thousands of years building it).

And I'm fully aware that big ships are god-damn bullet magnets. But if you are going to yell at me for that, then yell at everyone else with ships the size of cities, if not states! Let alone everyone else flying around in planetships, worldships, craftworlds, or whatever the hell you call them.

Craftworlds are like the Homeworld mothership: they are where the population lives, builds its ships, repairs and refuels them. They are not ships of battle, but logistical facilities. Does this justify them? Maybe not. But the fact remains they are not planet/system/cluster/galaxy killers bigger than anything fielded to date. And I do yell at other people for it, probably too much, however it begs the question: if you know that the thing will be a magnet for anything meant to blow up, why are you building it?

Of course its not going to dodge! Its not supposed to! That's why I've got my defense systems.

A defense system will not save you from an unrelenting hellfire of millions of kinetic rounds, millions of missiles, and millions of powerful spinal DEATH BEAMS! It'd be dead so fast the captain of this monster wouldn't have time to pray for his soul.

The reference to the TA was just that, a reference! Not something that would happen! You were going to GM by saying that no matter where I built it, you would find it. Thus, I responded on the same level.

Here we go... again. Your reference:

Now, while you make a very good point, who said it was being built in the NS-verse? As all my SQ's are signers of the TA (two are waiting for IP to get back and add them (that reminds me, I've got to have him change the name of the one on the list due to recent IC backstory events)), that means I can use alternate realities without IP or one of his group barging in and ruining the story line.

Means that you want to freaking use OTHER DIMENSIONS TO BUILD THIS THING! Thus negating anyones efforts to blow it up because no one sane who gave a damn would let you keep it, ever.

And as it has been said before; hiding something so ungainly and SO OBVIOUS is GM; see: Secret Homeworld wank. Trying to hide some doom station of doom that will take thousands of years to construct, is impossible. This thing would not only leave a money trail a continent wide, but create enough gravimetric disturbances that you'd probably perturb the orbits of local stars and stellar bodies, and no one can miss that.

Lets not forget the HORRIBLE MASS of probes and other shit people little throughout the universe exploring and what not, how do you keep an ENTIRE SYSTEM hidden from any probes or scout ships surveying that sector of space? You don't. Because it is impossible.

If this was a secret fleet or army you could do it; the yards constructing/training could be contained in a small enough area to not make massive distortions in gravity/time/space, and even if they did a sort of jammer or scrambling field would hide them well enough unless the buckaverage FT probe waddled right up to it and began active scanning.

But SeaQuest this is a battlesystem, huge and clumsy. People couldn't help but notice it and ask questions, forgetting about the afformentioned paper trail and resource trail you would need to actually construct this thing, and then when all the pieces came together, someone would come and blow it up. It's not hard, it's remarkably simple as I have lined out. How it's wank is your job to explain, if you can without wanking and godmodding yourself.

Stop misinterpreting people, and then claiming they said something that they didn't. EX was right in saying that -

1 - Space is big. Really, really big. But we can see lots of it with our present level of technology.

2 - With technology that allows you to travel faster than the speed of light (effectively), ravage planets, construct leviathan ships beyond our comprehension, and manipulate energy fields to form coherently in order to block matter, the technology present no doubt allows us a near-perfect knowledge of astronomy.

3 - Thus, you build something, chances are someone'll find it. He didn't GM by saying he knew of the craft, and would be searching for it beforehand, but, realistically, you can expect someone to discover your construction. Wanking with multiple universes is not only unsporting, but it's tantamount to GMing in its own right, by stating that someone else *couldn't* find it.

Just popping by to put a slightly less paranoid spin on things.

Meh, discarding the TA options of hiding, for now, that still leaves plenty of places to hide construction. Dark nebulae, intergalactic space, inside a nebula, hidden in the glare of a star, and that's just to name a few. I highly doubt that something being built so slowly, as this is planned to be, unlit, and not giving off homing beacons worth of energy could be found with FT 'Hubble' equivilants like ElectronX suggested.

Now, there is the off chance of someone accidently dropping out of FTL right on top of it does exist, but I'll have things in place to deal with such occurances.

Then there is the problem with range. Remember when TFU did that thread about having sensors able to see the entire universe and how well that went over with everyone?

Nothing 'veiled' about my insults that are in response to yours, unless calling people pricks isn't an insult now.

No, I was the one to call you a prick, not vice-versa. So, of course it wasn't veiled in any way like yours.

... ... ... You want to spend thousands of years building something, therefore rendering it absolete and worthless? Not to mention to unbelievable research and upkeep cost if you want to keep it current at all and want the thing to actually -work- when it's finished will be astronomical (you'd have to scrap it after you ran out of money and dug your economy into a hole for like the millionth time, otherwise you'd be spending TENS of thousands of years building it).

By then the budget will be suffeciently large enough to handle it. That is if I can get it to Thriving as well like my main nation.

And just because it takes long to build, doesn't mean its obsolete. Slow construction means that you can keep updating it the entire time.

As for R&D, the basics have been known to all three SQs since there was only one, SQ itself. Now, the basics have been expanded on.

Craftworlds are like the Homeworld mothership: they are where the population lives, builds its ships, repairs and refuels them. They are not ships of battle, but logistical facilities. Does this justify them? Maybe not. But the fact remains they are not planet/system/cluster/galaxy killers bigger than anything fielded to date. And I do yell at other people for it, probably too much, however it begs the question: if you know that the thing will be a magnet for anything meant to blow up, why are you building it?

STOP GMING THAT YOU KNOW HOW BIG ITS GOING TO BE!

I've already said why I'm building it. If you can't bother to read things like the first post in a thread, I'm not going to repeat it.

A defense system will not save you from an unrelenting hellfire of millions of kinetic rounds, millions of missiles, and millions of powerful spinal DEATH BEAMS! It'd be dead so fast the captain of this monster wouldn't have time to pray for his soul.

Hey, genius! Anything would be in trouble with that much firepower going for it. That is, if any ship survived long enough to get close enough.

Here we go... again. Your reference:



Means that you want to freaking use OTHER DIMENSIONS TO BUILD THIS THING! Thus negating anyones efforts to blow it up because no one sane who gave a damn would let you keep it, ever.

No, it doesn't. At least, not outside your head.

And as it has been said before; hiding something so ungainly and SO OBVIOUS is GM; see: Secret Homeworld wank. Trying to hide some doom station of doom that will take thousands of years to construct, is impossible. This thing would not only leave a money trail a continent wide, but create enough gravimetric disturbances that you'd probably perturb the orbits of local stars and stellar bodies, and no one can miss that.

Don't you start again with that bull shit about me claiming my homeworld was unfindable! I never said that.

And you are still GMing by claiming you know how big its going to be when I haven't even decided yet!

Lets not forget the HORRIBLE MASS of probes and other shit people little throughout the universe exploring and what not, how do you keep an ENTIRE SYSTEM hidden from any probes or scout ships surveying that sector of space? You don't. Because it is impossible.

Ever hear of blowing them up? Cause it is possible!

If this was a secret fleet or army you could do it; the yards constructing/training could be contained in a small enough area to not make massive distortions in gravity/time/space, and even if they did a sort of jammer or scrambling field would hide them well enough unless the buckaverage FT probe waddled right up to it and began active scanning.

A secret fleet would take up as just as much room and carry less firepower.

But SeaQuest this is a battlesystem, huge and clumsy. People couldn't help but notice it and ask questions, forgetting about the afformentioned paper trail and resource trail you would need to actually construct this thing, and then when all the pieces came together, someone would come and blow it up. It's not hard, it's remarkably simple as I have lined out. How it's wank is your job to explain, if you can without wanking and godmodding yourself.

Paper trail? Aside from not even using such an outmoded means of documentation, why do you even think such items would be a matter of public record?

The money can be handled quite easily, however. Come on! You don't think they spend $15,000.00 on a hammer and $20,000.00 on a toilet seat, now did you? Its all a matter of hiding the funds inside other transfers of monetary units.

And you expect SSQ, the nation doing the construction, my most secretive of my three SQs, to actually not be able to handle things? Hell, they were able to get an entire national infrastructure set up in the galaxy they set up shop in before SSQ split off from SQ with no one the wiser until it was too late.

First you call me a GMer and a wanker when I RPed ST tech at its full canon strength, power, and ability. Now this? I don't see you jumping on anyone else's backs.

No, I was the one to call you a prick, not vice-versa. So, of course it wasn't veiled in any way like yours.

... I know you called me a prick, I never said otherwise. Why you manage to get confused and type the shit you do is beyond me when the message is always patently obvious in its intent. I again say my insults are not veiled; if you saw them you were meant to see them.

By then the budget will be suffeciently large enough to handle it. That is if I can get it to Thriving as well like my main nation.

No. That is not how budgets work in the least REGARDLESS of how high or low NS stats throw your economy. The money you see in the calcs that go to the military is not just some big pile of non-used green empty; that is what it costs to run your ENTIRE military AT CURRENT! It might have SOME extra cash for unforseen expindetures, but that's it.

And just because it takes long to build, doesn't mean its obsolete. Slow construction means that you can keep updating it the entire time.

Er, yes, it does. The people of NS do not stop advancing technologically; every day someone RPs/Wanks into existences a new technology. Upgrades and such to a thing of this size would probably take up so much time construction never continues on; you're too busy making upgrades everyday to make it competent for the next 10-20 years or so to actuall -BUILD IT-.

As for R&D, the basics have been known to all three SQs since there was only one, SQ itself. Now, the basics have been expanded on.

And you think this makes it any less difficult how?

STOP GMING THAT YOU KNOW HOW BIG ITS GOING TO BE!

I've already said why I'm building it. If you can't bother to read things like the first post in a thread, I'm not going to repeat it.

One, if it takes thousands of years to build and the picture regards it as a menagerie of planets chained together around a GLOWY THING it's going to be DAMN big. It's not exactly GMing to state the unbelievably obvious, you know.

Two ... it was a rhetorical question more than anything, but still the fact remains you are building something you acknowledge is a bullet magnet and an economy sink.



They don't -HAVE- to get close for you to unleash some stupendous super weapons to destroy their ships, because the thing is so damned huge they can fire at it from 30+ lightseconds away and not miss.

[quote]No, it doesn't. At least, not outside your head.
That's EXACTLY what you said SQ, that you were going to DIMENSIONAL WANK this thing while constructing it. This of course after I mention missons to blow it up.

Don't you start again with that bull shit about me claiming my homeworld was unfindable! I never said that.

It took me so long to respond to this because everytime I read that statement I was not sure if I should be laughing, or offending by that outright lie you've vomited onto my screen. We had MANY arguments, not just me and you, but with many other people about your homeworld, which you have kept secret from everyone some magical way.

And you are still GMing by claiming you know how big its going to be when I haven't even decided yet!

Picture says many rocky planetoids will be thrown around a glowy bit and tied together, you yourself said you were going to take thousands of years to build, with that in mind the only thing any of us have to work with is that it is damned fucking huge. Bigger than a craftworld by a longshot.

Ever hear of blowing them up? Cause it is possible!

And you think no one will come looking for what is blowing up their probes? Thus making it all the more worse?

A secret fleet would take up as just as much room and carry less firepower.

A secret fleet would never equal that THING in mass, ever. In regards to firepower FT weapons are strong enough that superweapons are redundant for one; thus making this overkill, but regardless for all the 'less' firepower it is all the more manouverable and practical, while also 'stealthy' in many regards, everything that is not.

Paper trail? Aside from not even using such an outmoded means of documentation, why do you even think such items would be a matter of public record?

PEOPLE follow MONEY. You couldn't hide it from everyone forever; someone would envariably stumble upon it when everyone wonders where in the fuck all their tax dollars are going.

The money can be handled quite easily, however. Come on! You don't think they spend $15,000.00 on a hammer and $20,000.00 on a toilet seat, now did you? Its all a matter of hiding the funds inside other transfers of monetary units.

Leaving what is known as a paper trail regardless of whether you use paper or not. The fact money is spent and moved about means that there is a record about it somewhere, and at some point someone will find that record and start asking a myriad of questions. Silence that guy sure, but silencing a man only lends credence to his message; so you'd not have silence for very long.

And you expect SSQ, the nation doing the construction, my most secretive of my three SQs, to actually not be able to handle things? Hell, they were able to get an entire national infrastructure set up in the galaxy they set up shop in before SSQ split off from SQ with no one the wiser until it was too late.

'No one the wise' because your galaxy is hidden from everyone because you're afraid of reprisal from some of the bullshit you pull. Secretive from the international community or no, when the people living in your country begin starving in the streets people will ask questions, and no amount of international secrecy will save you from your own people.

First you call me a GMer and a wanker when I RPed ST tech at its full canon strength, power, and ability. Now this? I don't see you jumping on anyone else's backs.
For one this assumes (as many times we have demonstrated trek power full canon is downright BAD in the best of times and unknowable any othertime due to writer stupidity) you actually RPed true trek canon, which has always been in doubt. Wanking your way arround the universe doing hairpin turns at .999999c and all. While this is me telling you not only is this impossible (or so improbable it falls into the realm of impossibility), impractical, and in the end downright stupid, but also fucking wanky and godmoddish to hide it like you claim.

Meh, discarding the TA options of hiding, for now, that still leaves plenty of places to hide construction. Dark nebulae, intergalactic space, inside a nebula, hidden in the glare of a star, and that's just to name a few. I highly doubt that something being built so slowly, as this is planned to be, unlit, and not giving off homing beacons worth of energy could be found with FT 'Hubble' equivilants like ElectronX suggested.

So.. you're going to build an insanely massive series of planetoids, probably mechanical to maximise efficiency, but you're not going to use energy to make it? Or even a lot of energy? There are hundreds of FT nations, and that's a conservative estimate. Each and every one will have some form of long-range scanners, and most likely probes. Sure, you can hide it. But you can't claim it's magically hidden from all eyes, as, chances are, most things are found out. Most nations build their uberdreadnoughts within their own nations, in times of peace - after all, no one questions their massive expenditure of energy, when it's their own space they're using.

Look at it logically, however. You can hide it in SSQ space. Seeing as SSQ is a nation that seems to be, to all appearances, a nation devoted to 'spreading darkness', nobody's really going to want them running around with a massive fuggin' ubership. However, assuming that no-one knows of your nation, the change in energy in the particular area is going to spark notice. One way or another, chances are you'll be investigated.

Y'see, constructing an uber-battleship isn't really all that bad. Constructing an uber-battleship when you're a nation who's stated goals are to destroy light, pwninate goodness, and go around bitchslapping little children to steal their lollies - people are going to investigate.

Would you guys rather I was building a Drakh Mother Ship (http://www.b5tech.com/drakh/drakhmothership/mothership.html)?

@ElectronX: You still are hung up with GMing that you know what scale I'm building at.

@HT: Think of it like this, SSQ is the serpant and NS is the Garden. Like I said, I'm merging the ideals of the Abyss, the Shadows, and my own dark side.

Darkness, in and of itself, is not evil, just like Light is not good. I speak of litteral light and darkness.

The best example I can come up with to compare the relation between SSQ and SQDSV is the Shadows and the Vorlons. SSQ's goal may be to spread darkness, but recognizes the fact that light and darkness can't exist without the other. Its a deep and intracite(sp?) dance the Abyss and the Nebula are in.

While SSQ is darkness, that doesn't mean its against helping others. Take Huntaer's Civil War's latest part, for example. The Huntaerian Empire is recognized as the strong, for the moment, by SSQ. However, when the Huntarian Alliance defeats the Empire, like he plans, that will change.

Or you can take SSQ's involvement in Arcadeos's "The Trose Compaign" thread. Keep an eye on it and you'll see a more evolved version of SSQian philosophy being used than what was in Chrono's "Strange Meeting" thread, let alone what it started out as.

Like I've said, in SSQ its 'the strong survive and the weak perish'.

As for the Citadel, the slow building process is part of the concealment method. Nanites can only work so fast when turning asteroids into the structure. Just enough power to appear as part of the background radiation.

Think of it like this, SSQ is the serpant and NS is the Garden

Think of it like this, every nation with a hint of a dark nature would like to think that they're important. And yet, the vast majority of them aren't.

Would you guys rather I was building something really wanky that would make me look like a retard in front of II?

I've taken the liberty of converting your words into a more precise meaning.

Darkness, in and of itself, is not evil, just like Light is not good. I speak of litteral light and darkness.

The philisophical interpretation of the two opposites is an entirely moot point - you exist to progress darkness. Most nations like to see themselves as light, or good. Thus, by default, you'll be seen as evil.

Like I've said, in SSQ its 'the strong survive and the weak perish'.

Yeah, because that's an effective way to run a society, and coerce people into building a giant battleship.

Takes thousands of years to build.

In the picture we are given large stellar bodies, planet sized ones, exist over THE GLOWY.

It's super top secret and will apparently put anything ever known to shame, and can also compete/beat ships similar in design, alah graftwords.

It's not godmodding to extrapolate from the afformentioned true statements you yourself have made, that this thing is fucking huge.

And of course, you ignore everything else I said, sidestepping to ignore the idea-crippling criticism I have given you, which is just typical as well as the constant claims of GM anytime someone says anything.

The giant craft, larger, stronger, and more powerful than any previously known would require not only the best science the Dark Empire had, but also its best magick and pseudo-science as well.Bold by me.

One has to be fair. This is a degree of honesty rarely seen. Of course, in your case, I half suspect that you actually consider 'Pseudo-Science' an asset, rather than a rather ironic/ sarcastic description of handwaving and/ or Voyageresque particle-of-the-day bullshittery...

Which is just sad.

Would you guys rather I was building a Drakh Mother Ship?Given that it can be blown up by a single, tiny, sub-First-One-grade (And First One capabilities really aren't all that impressive, in an NS context... Nations that'd blow them to bits are counted by the dozen) shippy?

So... Apart from my usual objections regarding non-canon nations using canon-technology (How did they develop it? Get it? Incorporate it?)... Yes.

SSQ.

If you want people to stop hating you and invading you... wait let me tell you a story. There was once this nation who would ZOMG GODMOD LOLS and stuff. One day he decided to stop, and slowly he gained back his respect. Granted the older nations are still hesitant but he has plenty of allies, his own alliance, and meh I still talk to him from time to time. Point is, if you want to stop being invaded, hold a formal ball and say "Yo yo yo yo yo, mind if I tap that booteh?" and so on and so forth.

Be friendly, that money can go to better places.

Also, Electron is not godmodding... since you could only godmod ICly. Last I remember this is an OOC THREAD. NOTE THE OOC. YOU CANNOT GODMOD OOCLY THAT GOES BEYOND LOGIC. Good day.

Pretty pointless this really. I mean, under normal circumstances blowing the sun, which it was, to quote the episode "20 planets joined around an artificial sun". Basically a huge hydrogen fusion reaction continuing indefinetly, would have quite seriously fucked it up. The only reason it survived was the quite literal Deus Ex Machina of having a god-like entity at the centre. Now I truly doubt you want to enforce that clause upon the already ponderous counterbalance of advice against this little endeavor. Also, IIRC it was one nova bomb that burned out the sun, incinerating a good number of Magog before the Abyss could absorb all that excess energy o' doom. You seem to know ponderous little about what your ripping off. 40 Nova Bombs were used to turn a black hole into a white hole, if I recall, but thats just me and its been a while, and I only really saw the first two seasons, and bits of 3, especially when we find out that Dylan's only alive because of Future Rhade, and theother cool episode with James Marsters :D

I think its rather ironic that you would claimed that Ankhmet was godmodding his technology with worldships back-in-the-day when you want to jump into the galactic arena with something of that magnitude. Because, no matter how much you want to avoid discussing its size, it'd have to be pretty big, or you'd just have normal ships.

Seems a waste for what you could build with all those resources. Why have one massive figure-head thats just going to end up getting smashed to bits like so many pretentious Death Stars, when you could have fleets of dominion enforcing regular ships? :D

Please note, I am not trying to argue with you.

When you mentioned the TA, I assumed you were planning on using an alternate timeline to build this, not a dimension. They are two different things. If you were using another Dimension, I would eventually detect the disturbances the traffic between the construction site and your world would cause. For that reason I will assume your proposed site would be an Alternate Timeline. This was thought about by me before you suspended the idea.

Since construction was just started two NS years ago (August 02, 2006), the proposed duration of "thousands of years" does not bother me as long as you take at least two thousand NS years before you attempt to use them (the minimum time the term "thousands of years" can be applied to without resorting to using fractions). That would be just under 5 1/2 RL years. A population of two billion can be acheived in less than a year.

I know there has been much debate on the size of the thing. Please let us know OOCly what it will be at the earliest possible date so we would all have the proper scope of the project in mind. That would really help.

You mentioned the use of nanites for construction. They can take even longer than conventional methods because they have to exert way too much energy to move a few inches where a human can move the bolt with his fingers in a few seconds. That is something many of the nations that rely too much on the tech forget. I have had this point brought up to many nations over the years. How long would it take a nanite to move an atom from one end of the connecting arms to the middle? There is not enough smace on a nanite to store the molecule and a strong energy source to power it. For this reason I again would have to assume you would also rely heavily upon conventional construction procedures.

My view of the thing? If he wants to waste thousands of years constructing the thing then he will also accept the possibility of everyone deciding if they want to ignore the thing or accept it. Also remember since so much of their effort is being put into this project, the standard improvements to their military might suffer, resuting in weaker ships. With all those resources going to support the construction, something has to be compromised (logicly).

Someone mentioned Balance earlier. If he RPs the complete construction period and the disadvantages of building the thing, then let him build it. If he skimps on anything required then you can yell GODMOD.

At this point, I have no idea if I would be possible to know about the thing at all. If we do meet, I am confident I could come up with several logical methods to break it. It will all depend on what happens at that time.

Here we are superstar and isn't this just the most loveable piece of modern art I've ever seen; hell I'm gonna throw you a bone here and award you the Turner prize. Isn't this just precious; now watch the blue ribbon there doesn't chafe your delicate nipples shareeen. I wouldn't eveeeeeeeeeer ever want to hurt you. Hell the very thought brings tears to my eyes.

But on a more serious note captain headache no one really cares about your over compensating cause hell, we've all got to feel like real men sometimes. So hows about you go and put a corker in your genius plan there and we can call it quits?

mmmmmmkay there Tracy?

(US, get on MSN, I have things to ask of you.)

Though, you can't argue on the size bit (look at your ship sizes (Necron ships, IIRC, are the largest from the WH40k universe)).

No. They're not. Volumetrically, they're the smallest. Pound for pound, the largest are those of the tyranid hive fleets. Further, I didn't make those, did I? :p

Yeah, to be fair only the Scythe and Cairn are overly large, and they're inertialess so size and weight are an irrelevance :)

I must say. This is the biggest piece of propaganda I've heard coming from a nation of darkness and shadows. Oh? It's not? Rats.

I'm serious here. I won't say anything that hasn't already been said, but you got a might big piece of propaganda that you can wave at your enemies even if you do end up not finishing the project. Sort of an "I can build this thing to kill you with, my enemies, so don't mess with me!" deal.

Personally, I'd prefer you build the Drak Mothership thingy. It can do all the things Prince Phobos wants, and it can probably more a lot faster than the Super System of Doom schtick, which is what you want for a mobile backup capital, after all.

(Seaquest with all due respect this is the most retarded thing you have ever done ripping off a world ship, its a world ship! Seriously I’m ignoring that thing due to its impossibility to build, my god seaquest get some sense, be original..)

What do I think?

I think it's a glorious waste of money.

Bigger isn't better; faster is. As long as bigger is faster, then bigger is better; at the point where bigger isn't faster anymore, then bigger just means more expensive and easier to hit. “Easy to hit” is bad, because there are weapons that are so powerful that nothing can survive getting hit by one of them.*

As others have pointed out, you'd be far better off taking all of the wealth you're plowing into this monster and using it to build a few tens of thousands of warships; the resulting fleet would be far more survivable and far more effective (for one thing, you could split it up to attack multiple targets). Pouring all of your eggs into one basket like this virtually guarantees your defeat at the hands of a more flexible, more maneuverable, and more numerous enemy.

*I have a weapon that could take this monster out in a single shot (in fact, it can take anything out in a single shot**. It's not hard to conceive of such a thing; its just a simple matter of physics.

**And don't ask me to tell you what it is; just call me when this abomination is ready... :D

Yeah, to be fair only the Scythe and Cairn are overly large, and they're inertialess so size and weight are an irrelevance :)

They're long sorta thin, too. As opposed to big bulky blocks like the other ships in BFG.

More a case of putting all your eggs in one shell :P I mean come on, think of the capital that'll be lost when this thing goes down. And it will. Its a symbol, like the Bismark. Break this and you break the nation's spirit, the symbol of everything it stands for.

@Ctan: Yeah, they have that perk. Plus really cool weapons...

They're long sorta thin, too. As opposed to big bulky blocks like the other ships in BFG.

I happen to like big bulky block ships.

Anyhow, here's my thoughts on this thing (not sure if they've been brought up previously). I also agree with the other points raised against it.

Most of these involve the sun, and the position of the planets. Firstly, given the proximity of the planets to the sun, I'd be worried about my ships being fried as they come in for landing. I know my cruisers can't resist a sun-dive and I'm not aware of anyone else's who can (unless someone out there is fielding an Irken Massive). Though if you were to set up some sort of FTL device that works by projecting a sphere on each of the planets, and then jump the entire thing (sun and all) onto an enemy fleet position, well, that might be something.

Secondly, I'd imagine those planets would be mighty hot, basically sitting on the sun and all. The one on the right actually seems to be bursting into flame in the picture; not sure how you could use them as bases.

More a case of putting all your eggs in one shell :P I mean come on, think of the capital that'll be lost when this thing goes down. And it will. Its a symbol, like the Bismark. Break this and you break the nation's spirit, the symbol of everything it stands for.

The Bismarck also had the advantage of looking cool; this worldship just looks goofy. Though that might be intentional: my crews would be laughing so hard they wouldn't notice it hyperjumping onto them.

I say we just leave it to C'tan. I mean come on, countless personnel AND a Sun? Its an all-you-can eat buffet!

Wow. That's a ginormous world-ship. :eek:

Having said that, I have some constructive thoughts. If they've been said in this fracas, then ignore them as you will.

As it is, its an interesting concept, but it looks kinda vulnerable, what with three hugeass pylons and a sun in the middle. My 160kg People's Hammerantimatter torpedoes, fired in several volleys, could crack one of those pylons and raise hell, and we have plenty more weapons that could be used if those proved insufficent. Just saying.

It's also gonna be pricey. Then again, that's been beaten to death.

My view of the thing? If he wants to waste thousands of years constructing the thing then he will also accept the possibility of everyone deciding if they want to ignore the thing or accept it. Also remember since so much of their effort is being put into this project, the standard improvements to their military might suffer, resuting in weaker ships. With all those resources going to support the construction, something has to be compromised (logicly).

Someone mentioned Balance earlier. If he RPs the complete construction period and the disadvantages of building the thing, then let him build it. If he skimps on anything required then you can yell GODMOD.

Also, I concur with the above statements. Otherwise, I think I'm done here.

I say we just leave it to C'tan. I mean come on, countless personnel AND a Sun? Its an all-you-can eat buffet!

Why just ONE Necron nation? Magogs must be at least a little yummy. And even they should fear the Necrons. Let's find it, and eat it.

I happen to like big bulky block ships.

Anyhow, here's my thoughts on this thing (not sure if they've been brought up previously). I also agree with the other points raised against it.

Most of these involve the sun, and the position of the planets. Firstly, given the proximity of the planets to the sun, I'd be worried about my ships being fried as they come in for landing. I know my cruisers can't resist a sun-dive and I'm not aware of anyone else's who can (unless someone out there is fielding an Irken Massive). Though if you were to set up some sort of FTL device that works by projecting a sphere on each of the planets, and then jump the entire thing (sun and all) onto an enemy fleet position, well, that might be something.

Secondly, I'd imagine those planets would be mighty hot, basically sitting on the sun and all. The one on the right actually seems to be bursting into flame in the picture; not sure how you could use them as bases.



The Bismarck also had the advantage of looking cool; this worldship just looks goofy. Though that might be intentional: my crews would be laughing so hard they wouldn't notice it hyperjumping onto them.

Necron ships of any stripe are supposedly able to survive a solar flare with no damage. They MIGHT(BIIIIIIG might) be able to survive a few minutes in a sun.

Think of it like this, every nation with a hint of a dark nature would like to think that they're important. And yet, the vast majority of them aren't.

I never said anything about SSQ being important. I was using a simple metaphor.

I've taken the liberty of converting your words into a more precise meaning.

Meh. Compared to ships used as a primary ship by many NS FTers, a Drakh Mothership isn't that much.

The philisophical interpretation of the two opposites is an entirely moot point - you exist to progress darkness. Most nations like to see themselves as light, or good. Thus, by default, you'll be seen as evil.

Reputations can change. All I have to do is make sure SSQ's is done right.

Yeah, because that's an effective way to run a society, and coerce people into building a giant battleship.

Meh, its more than that. Its not just a philosophy, its a way of life.

Takes thousands of years to build.

In the picture we are given large stellar bodies, planet sized ones, exist over THE GLOWY.

It's super top secret and will apparently put anything ever known to shame, and can also compete/beat ships similar in design, alah graftwords.

It's not godmodding to extrapolate from the afformentioned true statements you yourself have made, that this thing is fucking huge.

And of course, you ignore everything else I said, sidestepping to ignore the idea-crippling criticism I have given you, which is just typical as well as the constant claims of GM anytime someone says anything.

Actually, it is GMing for you to do that.

Seems like you've forgotten that size doesn't matter. Its how you use it that counts.

Now, are you going to stop with that little GM so I can work out how large I'm going to have it?

Bold by me.

One has to be fair. This is a degree of honesty rarely seen. Of course, in your case, I half suspect that you actually consider 'Pseudo-Science' an asset, rather than a rather ironic/ sarcastic description of handwaving and/ or Voyageresque particle-of-the-day bullshittery...

Which is just sad.

Given that it can be blown up by a single, tiny, sub-First-One-grade (And First One capabilities really aren't all that impressive, in an NS context... Nations that'd blow them to bits are counted by the dozen) shippy?

So... Apart from my usual objections regarding non-canon nations using canon-technology (How did they develop it? Get it? Incorporate it?)... Yes.

Uh, pseudo-science was used to refer to the standard made-up technobabble that usually graces alot of NS FT stuff. I used the term 'pseudo-science' because it takes up less room and is easier to say.

And I see your point on the non-canon nations using canon stuff. Though, you'll have to concede that pretty much every idea possible for FT has already appeared in one sci-fi universe or another over the years. Thus, its pretty hard to find an untapped area.

SSQ.

If you want people to stop hating you and invading you... wait let me tell you a story. There was once this nation who would ZOMG GODMOD LOLS and stuff. One day he decided to stop, and slowly he gained back his respect. Granted the older nations are still hesitant but he has plenty of allies, his own alliance, and meh I still talk to him from time to time. Point is, if you want to stop being invaded, hold a formal ball and say "Yo yo yo yo yo, mind if I tap that booteh?" and so on and so forth.

I tried that. Didn't work that well. People just stopped posting in the thread and the RP died.

Be friendly, that money can go to better places.

Agreed. But its a two-way street.

Also, Electron is not godmodding... since you could only godmod ICly. Last I remember this is an OOC THREAD. NOTE THE OOC. YOU CANNOT GODMOD OOCLY THAT GOES BEYOND LOGIC. Good day.

Then what would you define it as? He's seem to have gotten into his head exactly what size it is going to be when I haven't even decided yet.

Pretty pointless this really. I mean, under normal circumstances blowing the sun, which it was, to quote the episode "20 planets joined around an artificial sun". Basically a huge hydrogen fusion reaction continuing indefinetly, would have quite seriously fucked it up. The only reason it survived was the quite literal Deus Ex Machina of having a god-like entity at the centre. Now I truly doubt you want to enforce that clause upon the already ponderous counterbalance of advice against this little endeavor. Also, IIRC it was one nova bomb that burned out the sun, incinerating a good number of Magog before the Abyss could absorb all that excess energy o' doom. You seem to know ponderous little about what your ripping off. 40 Nova Bombs were used to turn a black hole into a white hole, if I recall, but thats just me and its been a while, and I only really saw the first two seasons, and bits of 3, especially when we find out that Dylan's only alive because of Future Rhade, and theother cool episode with James Marsters :D

I already mentioned that it was the Abyss that absorbed the energy from the detonating star in the episode. Though, IIRC, it was the the ship's entire payload of Nova Bombs were used in combination with ramming it. In fact, everyone died in that episode and then were next seen in the Seefra system.

I think its rather ironic that you would claimed that Ankhmet was godmodding his technology with worldships back-in-the-day when you want to jump into the galactic arena with something of that magnitude. Because, no matter how much you want to avoid discussing its size, it'd have to be pretty big, or you'd just have normal ships.

Meh!? I don't recall that. What Ankhmet was GMing was, lets see, there was the time I used a precision weapon and he GMed it into destroying an entire city as an area affect weapon. There was the bit about having a home world only he could access.

TBH, I don't ever recall hearing about worldships being used by Ankhmet.

Seems a waste for what you could build with all those resources. Why have one massive figure-head thats just going to end up getting smashed to bits like so many pretentious Death Stars, when you could have fleets of dominion enforcing regular ships? :D

I'll concede you that point. May just end up having IC construction put on hold and have it resume later when I do have those fleets. Like MM and his fleets and battleglobe (which I don't recall ever hearing the dimensions of).

I already mentioned that it was the Abyss that absorbed the energy from the detonating star in the episode. Though, IIRC, it was the the ship's entire payload of Nova Bombs were used in combination with ramming it. In fact, everyone died in that episode and then were next seen in the Seefra system.



Meh!? I don't recall that. What Ankhmet was GMing was, lets see, there was the time I used a precision weapon and he GMed it into destroying an entire city as an area affect weapon. There was the bit about having a home world only he could access.

TBH, I don't ever recall hearing about worldships being used by Ankhmet.



I'll concede you that point. May just end up having IC construction put on hold and have it resume later when I do have those fleets. Like MM and his fleets and battleglobe (which I don't recall ever hearing the dimensions of).

Battleglobe? Like Dahak(Empire from the Ashes, David Weber)?

While this project is borderline, I could live with seeing a Dahak type ship, since it's based on at least some reasonable theories (some...).

Why is it that the computer's always have the best personalities? Dahak, Mike, etc.

Please note, I am not trying to argue with you.

TBH, I usually enjoy a good debate now and then.

When you mentioned the TA, I assumed you were planning on using an alternate timeline to build this, not a dimension. They are two different things. If you were using another Dimension, I would eventually detect the disturbances the traffic between the construction site and your world would cause. For that reason I will assume your proposed site would be an Alternate Timeline. This was thought about by me before you suspended the idea.

I kind of did mean an alternate reality, as that's how the Route Of Ages operates. If I used the term 'dimension', my bad then. Slip of the tounge.

Also, Bal, the way I've designed my new cloak is pretty much admitted (I'll have to dig up the post) IC that you and your dimensional sensors are probably the only one to be able to see it (yep, figured out a way past that pesky gravitic sensor bit).

Since construction was just started two NS years ago (August 02, 2006), the proposed duration of "thousands of years" does not bother me as long as you take at least two thousand NS years before you attempt to use them (the minimum time the term "thousands of years" can be applied to without resorting to using fractions). That would be just under 5 1/2 RL years. A population of two billion can be acheived in less than a year.

Good point, Bal. I'll give you that. As I intend to be around NS for some time, I'll see what I can do.

I know there has been much debate on the size of the thing. Please let us know OOCly what it will be at the earliest possible date so we would all have the proper scope of the project in mind. That would really help.

I'll do what I can. Though, just to let you know, its been fluctuating. At first, I was going full canon size, then it shrunk to each Class D world being Pluto size, then Death Star II size, then Death Star I size. When I come up with a final scale, I'll post it in this thread as soon as I can.

You mentioned the use of nanites for construction. They can take even longer than conventional methods because they have to exert way too much energy to move a few inches where a human can move the bolt with his fingers in a few seconds. That is something many of the nations that rely too much on the tech forget. I have had this point brought up to many nations over the years. How long would it take a nanite to move an atom from one end of the connecting arms to the middle? There is not enough smace on a nanite to store the molecule and a strong energy source to power it. For this reason I again would have to assume you would also rely heavily upon conventional construction procedures.

I was thinking of a combination of nanites to strengthen the atomic structure, thus making the armor/hull even stronger and replicator technology to turn asteroids and other detrius (as well as some debris I may gather along the way) into layers. I was picturing it being built layer by layer, perhaps even molecule by molecule.

TBH, replicator technology is how my shipyards are designed to operate. Though, a few key items have to be installed seperatly (like computer cores, for example).

My view of the thing? If he wants to waste thousands of years constructing the thing then he will also accept the possibility of everyone deciding if they want to ignore the thing or accept it. Also remember since so much of their effort is being put into this project, the standard improvements to their military might suffer, resuting in weaker ships. With all those resources going to support the construction, something has to be compromised (logicly).

Weaker than compared to what? Its all relatively speaking, I know. Though, my current designs aren't that bad, IMHO, but, TBH, they aren't the strongest out there.

I've also already mentioned, in one post in this thread, that I'm willing to discuss OOC'ly with other people involved in an RP thread about if the Citadel is used or not.

Someone mentioned Balance earlier. If he RPs the complete construction period and the disadvantages of building the thing, then let him build it. If he skimps on anything required then you can yell GODMOD.

Something I'll accept if the time comes.

At this point, I have no idea if I would be possible to know about the thing at all. If we do meet, I am confident I could come up with several logical methods to break it. It will all depend on what happens at that time.

We'll, as long as I get a good story out of it, I'll happily let you blow it up. Though, I was kinda planning on working it into the Abyss vs Nebula storyline I'm working on for SSQ and SQDSV.

Here we are superstar and isn't this just the most loveable piece of modern art I've ever seen; hell I'm gonna throw you a bone here and award you the Turner prize. Isn't this just precious; now watch the blue ribbon there doesn't chafe your delicate nipples shareeen. I wouldn't eveeeeeeeeeer ever want to hurt you. Hell the very thought brings tears to my eyes.

But on a more serious note captain headache no one really cares about your over compensating cause hell, we've all got to feel like real men sometimes. So hows about you go and put a corker in your genius plan there and we can call it quits?

mmmmmmkay there Tracy?

Hmm, this coming from the guy who admits to using the God-wank SD.net as canon instead of official Lucas materials.

No. They're not. Volumetrically, they're the smallest. Pound for pound, the largest are those of the tyranid hive fleets. Further, I didn't make those, did I? :p
My bad then. Sorry. Like I've told Chrono many times, what I know of the WH40k universe could fill a thimble.

Though, by size, I was refering to the dimensions. I thought the Cairn class tombship was supposed to be one of the larger ships from the WH40k universe.

While this project is borderline, I could live with seeing a Dahak type ship, since it's based on at least some reasonable theories (some...).

Why is it that the computer's always have the best personalities? Dahak, Mike, etc.


That and Dahak is literally just the size of a moon(our moon in fact, unless we're talking about Asgerd class Dahak). Whereas this is 20 planets and a sun. Compare and contrast at will.

Dahak is flipping awesome. I'm just waiting for a 4th book, wherein we see the entire fleet go nuts on the homeworld and that freakish battlecomp.

Yeah, to be fair only the Scythe and Cairn are overly large, and they're inertialess so size and weight are an irrelevance :)
Bah. Inertialess is overused enough on NS. Its also a canon tech for many universes, including the one I'm switching over to for my new tech core.

I must say. This is the biggest piece of propaganda I've heard coming from a nation of darkness and shadows. Oh? It's not? Rats.

Roffle-sauce.

Darkness is a state of mind. Using a SW reference, not all Dark Jedi are evil, are they?

I'm serious here. I won't say anything that hasn't already been said, but you got a might big piece of propaganda that you can wave at your enemies even if you do end up not finishing the project. Sort of an "I can build this thing to kill you with, my enemies, so don't mess with me!" deal.

Finally, someone who gets it.

Personally, I'd prefer you build the Drak Mothership thingy. It can do all the things Prince Phobos wants, and it can probably more a lot faster than the Super System of Doom schtick, which is what you want for a mobile backup capital, after all.

May just end up doing so in the end.

(Seaquest with all due respect this is the most retarded thing you have ever done ripping off a world ship, its a world ship! Seriously I’m ignoring that thing due to its impossibility to build, my god seaquest get some sense, be original..)
TFU, name one original thing that hasn't already been done on NS FT or in some sci-fi universe.

What do I think?

I think it's a glorious waste of money.

Bigger isn't better; faster is. As long as bigger is faster, then bigger is better; at the point where bigger isn't faster anymore, then bigger just means more expensive and easier to hit. “Easy to hit” is bad, because there are weapons that are so powerful that nothing can survive getting hit by one of them.*

Meh, good point.

As others have pointed out, you'd be far better off taking all of the wealth you're plowing into this monster and using it to build a few tens of thousands of warships; the resulting fleet would be far more survivable and far more effective (for one thing, you could split it up to attack multiple targets). Pouring all of your eggs into one basket like this virtually guarantees your defeat at the hands of a more flexible, more maneuverable, and more numerous enemy.

Going by the standard ships per population size ratio used on NS, I wouldn't be able to crew them. Though, going by my tech core, they could fly themselves at STL speeds and fight.

*I have a weapon that could take this monster out in a single shot (in fact, it can take anything out in a single shot**. It's not hard to conceive of such a thing; its just a simple matter of physics.

And I'll accept it, if you RP it well.

**And don't ask me to tell you what it is; just call me when this abomination is ready... :D

Roffle-sauce.

My bad then. Sorry. Like I've told Chrono many times, what I know of the WH40k universe could fill a thimble.

Though, by size, I was refering to the dimensions. I thought the Cairn class tombship was supposed to be one of the larger ships from the WH40k universe.

It's rather broad, but that's about it... Images of all Necron vessels are likely readily available on Google(or the search engine of your choice). The fact that it's equivalent to a battleship is rather irrevelant. Especially when considering the size of BFG in general. Depending on who you ask, the Cairn could be anywhere between the size of a mediocre city(2-4 miles), to the size of DC or NYC.

More a case of putting all your eggs in one shell :P I mean come on, think of the capital that'll be lost when this thing goes down. And it will. Its a symbol, like the Bismark. Break this and you break the nation's spirit, the symbol of everything it stands for.

@Ctan: Yeah, they have that perk. Plus really cool weapons...
Again, another good point.

Though, like CW said, even if its left unfinished, it will be a useful propoganda tool.

Though, I may end up not finishing it IC'ly and building a group of ships based on the Drakh Mothership.

I happen to like big bulky block ships.

Anyhow, here's my thoughts on this thing (not sure if they've been brought up previously). I also agree with the other points raised against it.

Most of these involve the sun, and the position of the planets. Firstly, given the proximity of the planets to the sun, I'd be worried about my ships being fried as they come in for landing. I know my cruisers can't resist a sun-dive and I'm not aware of anyone else's who can (unless someone out there is fielding an Irken Massive). Though if you were to set up some sort of FTL device that works by projecting a sphere on each of the planets, and then jump the entire thing (sun and all) onto an enemy fleet position, well, that might be something.

TBH, I don't think Slipstream works like that.

As for getting close, read what I've put below about the 'core', or sun as you termed it.

Secondly, I'd imagine those planets would be mighty hot, basically sitting on the sun and all. The one on the right actually seems to be bursting into flame in the picture; not sure how you could use them as bases.

Interiors are what are used. A Class D world has no atmosphere and is basically a floating hunk of rock.

And its not a sun. The flare up, as seen in the picture, only occurs when its at full power for battle. At standard cruise power, it looks like the canon unlit Meethas star from the Seefra system in Season 4(?).

The Bismarck also had the advantage of looking cool; this worldship just looks goofy. Though that might be intentional: my crews would be laughing so hard they wouldn't notice it hyperjumping onto them.

Meh, its not designed to look good. Its designed to kick ass. The PSPs alone could take a lot of fleets. Now, if I was RPing as having Magog (hmm, idea there), combine with Swarm Ships, now that would mean a bad day for your crew. I doubt they would enjoy being eaten alive.

I say we just leave it to C'tan. I mean come on, countless personnel AND a Sun? Its an all-you-can eat buffet!
Hmm, now that would be interesting. Magog versus C'Tan. I wonder who could eat more people first.

Wow. That's a ginormous world-ship. :eek:

I'm just going to leave it by saying that the image is a matter of perspective, and that I'm working on deciding what scale I'm going to have it at.

Having said that, I have some constructive thoughts. If they've been said in this fracas, then ignore them as you will.

As it is, its an interesting concept, but it looks kinda vulnerable, what with three hugeass pylons and a sun in the middle. My 160kg People's Hammerantimatter torpedoes, fired in several volleys, could crack one of those pylons and raise hell, and we have plenty more weapons that could be used if those proved insufficent. Just saying.

Yes, but to get close enough, you'll have to breach the defenses (PDLs, escort fleets, et cetera) and survive the offenses long enough.

It's also gonna be pricey. Then again, that's been beaten to death.

Agreed. Though, its going to be a cumulative price that builds up over the construction time.

Also, I concur with the above statements. Otherwise, I think I'm done here.

I do as well.

Necron ships of any stripe are supposedly able to survive a solar flare with no damage. They MIGHT(BIIIIIIG might) be able to survive a few minutes in a sun.

TBH, getting close to a sun is easy. ST did it with metaphasic shields, for example. Hell, even the unshielded canon Jupiter II (though she may have had heatshields) got quite close to the surface, relatively speaking. Going into the sun, IMHO, is what can't be done. I don't know of any tech would would survive beneath a star's surface (though a Stargate connected to a black hole might).

Lots of ships in lots of sci-fi shows have hidden from their enemies inside a star's corona.

Battleglobe? Like Dahak(Empire from the Ashes, David Weber)?
Like a Starcraft Terran tech Battleglobe, IIRC. You'll have to ask MM for specifics on that missile spammer.

Actually, it is GMing for you to do that.

Seems like you've forgotten that size doesn't matter. Its how you use it that counts.

Now, are you going to stop with that little GM so I can work out how large I'm going to have it?
... Are you so inept that you cannot follow a simple chain of logic, one I might add, you yourself laid out? It is not a GM to extrapolate from the given information that this thing will be fucking huge to the extreme. The only alternative is that this thing is fucking small and you're so stupid you used all the work words and wrong pictures and wrong timeframes to convey that message. Now which is it? And yes satill, nice work sidestepping everything I said and claiming I am 'GMing' so you don't have to work around how backbreaking this will be to your economy.

While this project is borderline, I could live with seeing a Dahak type ship, since it's based on at least some reasonable theories (some...).

Why is it that the computer's always have the best personalities? Dahak, Mike, etc.

Dahak? Sorry, I don't get the reference.

That and Dahak is literally just the size of a moon(our moon in fact, unless we're talking about Asgerd class Dahak). Whereas this is 20 planets and a sun. Compare and contrast at will.

Dahak is flipping awesome. I'm just waiting for a 4th book, wherein we see the entire fleet go nuts on the homeworld and that freakish battlecomp.

6 Class D worlds are depicted. That's what I'm going with. That image is the closest to what I remember seeing on screen.

It's rather broad, but that's about it... Images of all Necron vessels are likely readily available on Google(or the search engine of your choice). The fact that it's equivalent to a battleship is rather irrevelant. Especially when considering the size of BFG in general. Depending on who you ask, the Cairn could be anywhere between the size of a mediocre city(2-4 miles), to the size of DC or NYC.

Meh, like I said, I know very little about the universe. Though, the pics I've seen of a Cairn remind me somewhat of a Goa'uld ship (the pyramidal core, for example, is a feature of both).

... Are you so inept that you cannot follow a simple chain of logic, one I might add, you yourself laid out? It is not a GM to extrapolate from the given information that this thing will be fucking huge to no extreme. The only alternative is that this thing is fucking small and you're so stupid you used all the work words and wrong pictures and wrong timeframes to convey that message. Now which is it? And yes satill, nice work sidestepping everything I said and claiming I am 'GMing' so you don't have to work around how backbreaking this will be to your economy.

Dude, still GMing I see. Its my nation, my project. Not yours. Thus, I decide scale, not you.

Dude, still GMing I see. Its my nation, my project. Not yours. Thus, I decide scale, not you.
You decided the scale: that is was fucking huge. You yourself said that, I am not saying anything you have no already said but you insist on calling a 'GM' where there is not one to avoid the arguement, like you ALWAYS do.

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Also SQ ..honestly ..read back on this and reflect upon the views given. You may not like them but quite frankly they do make sense, further please post single cogent posts adressing what is asked of you, or dont, not this spluttering of your brain as it winds out one response after another.

You decided the scale: that is was fucking huge. You yourself said that, I am not saying anything you have no already said but you insist on calling a 'GM' where there is not one to avoid the arguement, like you ALWAYS do.
You are still refusing to listen. I've said it so many damn times, I'm not going to repeat it again. Go back and read my posts.

Baen Ebooks free library complete edition of "Mutineers Moon" by David Webber, the first book in the trilogy featuring the sentient battle planetoid Dahak in the Dahak series. A good read for good space opera. (http://www.baen.com/library/0671720856/0671720856.htm)

Also SQ ..honestly ..read back on this and reflect upon the views given. You may not like them but quite frankly they do make sense, further please post single cogent posts adressing what is asked of you, or dont, not this spluttering of your brain as it winds out one response after another.

Meh, its not that I don't like them. I made this thread to get them.

Though, when people try to shove their own opinions down my throat and try to make me do what they want, like ElectronX has been, I tend to get a little teed-off.

And thanks for the link.

Going by the standard ships per population size ratio used on NS, I wouldn't be able to crew them. Though, going by my tech core, they could fly themselves at STL speeds and fight.At 200-300 crew per ship? That would only be 2-3 million crew for 10,000 ships. If you've go a population of 2 billion, you should have no problem stuffing 20-30 million people into uniform. If half of those are fleet personel and a quarter of those are crew (rather than support), you have your 10,000 ships worth of personel (plus change).

In contrast, are you telling me this thing isn't going to have a crew of millions?

Hmm, now that would be interesting. Magog versus C'Tan. I wonder who could eat more people first.

Well, lets see, Magog can't eat Necrons, so thats one point to the soulless legions of the C'tan :D

Then what would you define it as? He's seem to have gotten into his head exactly what size it is going to be when I haven't even decided yet.

It is defined as "ZOMG MAH SITH HAVE LIKE JETBACKS AND 20 INCH WANGSABERS LOL WITH ANTI SUPERLAZER SHEELDS" and claiming how great your army is. Wanky is another variant of it, except it's more subtle... not really. What ElectronX did that is take an insane guess based on the ship that came before it. Now would you please stop shouting at EX? It makes you seem insane and not in the cute way like me.

Yes, Cass is insane in the super-happy-fun-cute way! You just scare the children.

What ElectronX did that is take an insane guess based on the ship that came before it. Now would you please stop shouting at EX? It makes you seem insane and not in the cute way like me.

Uhhh... I don't think you can blame SQ entirely for the 'big dick' contest. Both of them went at each other, and ElectronX didn't even have to enter this thread if it was another one of SQ's 'dumb ideas'.

And I don't know how it makes him seem insane. His idea, maybe, but defending himself from someone who's obviously attacking him is rather sane.

Uhhh... I don't think you can blame SQ entirely for the 'big dick' contest. Both of them went at each other, and ElectronX didn't even have to enter this thread if it was another one of SQ's 'dumb ideas'.

Oh yes, pardon me good sir for trying, futilely it seems, to give someone some advice, sugarcoated or no, so they don't look totally stupid. Indeed what a horrible bastard I am for again trying to help someone, again.

And I don't know how it makes him seem insane. His idea, maybe, but defending himself from someone who's obviously attacking him is rather sane.
Oh God! Forgive me St. Peter, Buddha, Allah, Jesus, <insert_diety_here>! Since I am so obviously attacking someone after being called a godmodder an umpteen number of times for applying simple and easy to follow logic (most laid by the thread starter I might add) to reach a conclusion. Oh yes, the being called a prick was nice too, but since you've been here the whole time and have read through every post and no me so well, I guess I must be wrong huh? Since obviously you have been granted all knowing powers that my feeble mind cannot comprehend! Oh woe is me!

Oh yes, pardon me good sir for trying, futilely it seems, to give someone some advice, sugarcoated or no, so they don't look totally stupid. Indeed what a horrible bastard I am for again trying to help someone, again.


Oh God! Forgive me St. Peter, Buddha, Allah, Jesus, <insert_diety_here>! Since I am so obviously attacking someone after being called a godmodder an umpteen number of times for applying simple and easy to follow logic (most laid by the thread starter I might add) to reach a conclusion. Oh yes, the being called a prick was nice too, but since you've been here the whole time and have read through every post and no me so well, I guess I must be wrong huh? Since obviously you have been granted all knowing powers that my feeble mind cannot comprehend! Oh woe is me!

Um... I did say he was also to blame for it. You don't have to be all angry about it.

Um... I did say he was also to blame for it. You don't have to be all angry about it.
It's not anger, it's sarcasm and mild annoyance. Perhaps I shouldn't bother, but then again I try to help people too much which seems to be more of a fault and a trait right now, but still I take no blame at all for this, sans the fact that I am here and that seems to be what is upsetting to him.

SQ never seems to accept the help though. It all seems a bit mad and futile.

At 200-300 crew per ship? That would only be 2-3 million crew for 10,000 ships. If you've go a population of 2 billion, you should have no problem stuffing 20-30 million people into uniform. If half of those are fleet personel and a quarter of those are crew (rather than support), you have your 10,000 ships worth of personel (plus change).

In contrast, are you telling me this thing isn't going to have a crew of millions?

Good points.

You know, the trend of the way things are going are making me think more and more of making the Citadel be a customized ship based on the Drakh Mothership instead of something based on the Magog Worldship.

Well, lets see, Magog can't eat Necrons, so thats one point to the soulless legions of the C'tan :D
Lol, quite true. But I was thinking of putting the Magogs and Necrons in what amounts to a pie-eating contest, where the humans of the NS-verse were the pies.

You know, that could be a very good alt-verse RP. Anyone up for it?

It is defined as "ZOMG MAH SITH HAVE LIKE JETBACKS AND 20 INCH WANGSABERS LOL WITH ANTI SUPERLAZER SHEELDS" and claiming how great your army is. Wanky is another variant of it, except it's more subtle... not really. What ElectronX did that is take an insane guess based on the ship that came before it. Now would you please stop shouting at EX? It makes you seem insane and not in the cute way like me.
Shouting? Who's shouting? I've not used caps lock (ie, shouting), yet.

Uhhh... I don't think you can blame SQ entirely for the 'big dick' contest. Both of them went at each other, and ElectronX didn't even have to enter this thread if it was another one of SQ's 'dumb ideas'.

And I don't know how it makes him seem insane. His idea, maybe, but defending himself from someone who's obviously attacking him is rather sane.

Hey! I wouldn't qualify it as dumb, just bad timing.

Though, I do admit I get stubborn at times. Its a fault I am trying to work on.

Oh yes, pardon me good sir for trying, futilely it seems, to give someone some advice, sugarcoated or no, so they don't look totally stupid. Indeed what a horrible bastard I am for again trying to help someone, again.


Oh God! Forgive me St. Peter, Buddha, Allah, Jesus, <insert_diety_here>! Since I am so obviously attacking someone after being called a godmodder an umpteen number of times for applying simple and easy to follow logic (most laid by the thread starter I might add) to reach a conclusion. Oh yes, the being called a prick was nice too, but since you've been here the whole time and have read through every post and no me so well, I guess I must be wrong huh? Since obviously you have been granted all knowing powers that my feeble mind cannot comprehend! Oh woe is me!
Seriously, dude. You need to chillax. Take a chill pill. I suggest you go AFK and calm down.

Shouting? Who's shouting? I've not used caps lock (ie, shouting), yet.

Don't correct me! I am above you, you little FINGCHAFUNKA.

SQ never seems to accept the help though. It all seems a bit mad and futile.
ICG, that's incorrect. If you actually had read the entire thread, instead of just seeing what you wanted to see, you would note I'm considering making the Citadel into something based on the Drakh Mothership instead of the Magog Worldship. I had gone with the Magog Worldship basis first because I wanted to keep the core universe concept (ie, use as much stuff from the core universe and see how far I can go without having to draw on other universes).

Don't correct me! I am above you, you little FINGCHAFUNKA.

Huh? I wasn't correcting anyone. Just stating that, while I've been defending myself from ElectronX, I've not shouted at him or anyone else.

Sorry if you misinterpreted(sp?) it.

Oh, I'm sorry, I was speaking in the larger sense, of you know....Ever. Thankfully you're being reasonable, and beginning to understand your place. I.E, listen to all these big wise leviathans until you yourself hold that much skill....Don't rush to the finish line, because its not like that, you don't have enough fuel to get that far, just brash youth and inexperience.

I know my place, you ought to be able to figure out yours.

OOC: Why are you people arguing ? Even if this thing isn't immensely wanky, which if properly executed i don't feel it is, and that entails an extreme and lasting drain on resources and a crippling inhibition in foreign policy in order to cover this up, it is of no immedate concern and anyway offers you little threat. Especially not when compared to nations that insist on attempting to not only use Star Wars technology, but force some kind of real world science onto it as if it was a movie lovingly crafted by Stephen Hawking not a farce little better than a joke begun at episode IV in the full presumption that no sequels or prequels would ever be made once their little indulgance had bombed at the box office.

However ! Seaquest, this construction, however mammoth, however useless, is going to take you time. Thousands of years you say. At least that. The technologies required to construct something of that size grow in complexity exponentially as magnitude increases. Research into every single aspect of its construction and deployment would take years even before resource gathering could begin. And do not be under the illusion that it would remain a secret for more than a scant few centuries, especially once you began gathering elements for its construction. On top of this you, probably quite rightly, assume that it would take thousands of years to build. I am a nation getting on in years, but i am at best little over one thousand years old, i dont not see how you come up with the national figure of 2 billion citizens, and i do not believe that by the time you could reasonably expect this to be finished your nation would look anything like what it does now. Your wishes for its direction and the ethos behind it would almost certainly have changed in the intervening years.

I doubt an IC response to this thread would be useful meaningful or technically speaking possible, but i shall go ahead anyway.

IC: On the dead world that had been his home for thousands of years, surrounded in his castle by the corpses of innumerable tanks, and the shattered long decayed remains of a civilizations life, the Emperor turned in his slumber, one hand slipping off the side of the sarcophagus on which he lay. Though the universe still turns, such dealings do not bother those at peace.

SeaQuest, no. Just fucking no, how about instead of creating another useless monstrocity stolen from some other universe, you come up with your own fucking ship hm?

Official Suggestion Made by Anisarian (Who you agreed to take advice from):

Do the following:

1) If your going to create a Uber-ship, make it up your self. Don't go to some other source, if you can't do something from your original planned universe, MAKE IT UP!

For Example, I am basing myself off a nation set in the Imperium of man's new Age, 14,000 years from its present timeline. My Ctan has replaced the Emperor of Man as ruler, and lead them much faster, however that same Ctan loaths the Original Necron Technology...so she evolved the Imperium's, as well as taking other technologies she has found. Now, in the present time of my nation, we are barely recignizable as the Imperium, but the Imperium is still part of my people just a form that has changed over the Millennia

2) If your going to build a super ship, make it your permenant capital. I don't mean a small one, if your going to make a really big super ship, have it replace your captal planet, make it a mobile base.

Makes it more intresting.

The second isn't nessersary, but I believe the first is.

Anisarian, The singing Lady.

Oh, I'm sorry, I was speaking in the larger sense, of you know....Ever. Thankfully you're being reasonable, and beginning to understand your place. I.E, listen to all these big wise leviathans until you yourself hold that much skill....Don't rush to the finish line, because its not like that, you don't have enough fuel to get that far, just brash youth and inexperience.

I know my place, you ought to be able to figure out yours.

MY PLACE! Its wording like that which pisses me off.

OOC: Why are you people arguing ? Even if this thing isn't immensely wanky, which if properly executed i don't feel it is, and that entails an extreme and lasting drain on resources and a crippling inhibition in foreign policy in order to cover this up, it is of no immedate concern and anyway offers you little threat. Especially not when compared to nations that insist on attempting to not only use Star Wars technology, but force some kind of real world science onto it as if it was a movie lovingly crafted by Stephen Hawking not a farce little better than a joke begun at episode IV in the full presumption that no sequels or prequels would ever be made once their little indulgance had bombed at the box office.

However ! Seaquest, this construction, however mammoth, however useless, is going to take you time. Thousands of years you say. At least that. The technologies required to construct something of that size grow in complexity exponentially as magnitude increases. Research into every single aspect of its construction and deployment would take years even before resource gathering could begin. And do not be under the illusion that it would remain a secret for more than a scant few centuries, especially once you began gathering elements for its construction. On top of this you, probably quite rightly, assume that it would take thousands of years to build. I am a nation getting on in years, but i am at best little over one thousand years old, i dont not see how you come up with the national figure of 2 billion citizens, and i do not believe that by the time you could reasonably expect this to be finished your nation would look anything like what it does now. Your wishes for its direction and the ethos behind it would almost certainly have changed in the intervening years.

I doubt an IC response to this thread would be useful meaningful or technically speaking possible, but i shall go ahead anyway.

IC: On the dead world that had been his home for thousands of years, surrounded in his castle by the corpses of innumerable tanks, and the shattered long decayed remains of a civilizations life, the Emperor turned in his slumber, one hand slipping off the side of the sarcophagus on which he lay. Though the universe still turns, such dealings do not bother those at peace.

Very good points. Very good.

Though, more than likely, by a chance of at least 80%, I'll end up switiching it to something based off a Drakh Mothership instead.

MY PLACE! Its wording like that which pisses me off.

Don't care. You need to know it, like most others do. Pretentious little fucks get beat down, bludgeoned into the ashes of ages and forsaken. People like Seph, reviled, mocked. Is that how you want to be remembered? As the Little Engine that Couldn't?

No. Of course not.

Thus, learn your place and know it well. Remain there till you've garnered the respect and resources to play with the big boys on their level, ya?

SeaQuest, no. Just fucking no, how about instead of creating another useless monstrocity stolen from some other universe, you come up with your own fucking ship hm?

Official Suggestion Made by Anisarian (Who you agreed to take advice from):

Do the following:

1) If your going to create a Uber-ship, make it up your self. Don't go to some other source, if you can't do something from your original planned universe, MAKE IT UP!

I do, but I like to have a basis to work off from. Usually a picture.

For Example, I am basing myself off a nation set in the Imperium of man's new Age, 14,000 years from its present timeline. My Ctan has replaced the Emperor of Man as ruler, and lead them much faster, however that same Ctan loaths the Original Necron Technology...so she evolved the Imperium's, as well as taking other technologies she has found. Now, in the present time of my nation, we are barely recignizable as the Imperium, but the Imperium is still part of my people just a form that has changed over the Millennia

Cool.

2) If your going to build a super ship, make it your permenant capital. I don't mean a small one, if your going to make a really big super ship, have it replace your captal planet, make it a mobile base.

TBH, I was actually thinking of that. Only problem is the castle the leader of SSQ calls home. IMHO, its actually a rather interesting design. Though, like SQ has Atlantis, based off the canon city ship, the Citadel, or whatever I end up calling it, will be SSQ's version.

Makes it more intresting.

Part of me agrees with that.

The second isn't nessersary, but I believe the first is.

Anisarian, The singing Lady.

I do have tons of hand done ship designs, but no way of getting them digitized. And no, judging from the way people tend to rip off other people's images, I don't plan on working on getting a way.

OOC: I think given the rather hostile nature this somewhat abrupt anouncement of IC Secret intention has given rise to, you would be wise to address, rather than how you intend to build it or indeed why, but how you intend to finance it and keep it hidden, and to allay fears this project may have caused among certain reactionary members of II, what you intend to do with it once complete, if anything.

Don't care. You need to know it, like most others do. Pretentious little fucks get beat down, bludgeoned into the ashes of ages and forsaken. People like Seph, reviled, mocked. Is that how you want to be remembered? As the Little Engine that Couldn't?

No. Of course not.

Thus, learn your place and know it well. Remain there till you've garnered the respect and resources to play with the big boys on their level, ya?

OOC: Wow that's arrogant, i'm going to have to assume your nation is a puppet of a much older one, because whilst your point maybe fairly accurate, people take information when it is not sprinkled so liberally with hypocrisy. A more consiliatory tone could be used in future ?

Don't care. You need to know it, like most others do. Pretentious little fucks get beat down, bludgeoned into the ashes of ages and forsaken. People like Seph, reviled, mocked. Is that how you want to be remembered? As the Little Engine that Couldn't?

No. Of course not.

Thus, learn your place and know it well. Remain there till you've garnered the respect and resources to play with the big boys on their level, ya?

Look, if you are going to treat me like I'm not a person, then don't hide it.

If you feel that way about me, then you pretty damn well should feel like that about everyone else in my shoes. Just because I haven't been around as long as people like Chrono, it doesn't mean I couldn't deal him some damage in ship confrontations.

All three of my SQs are using a similar tech base while IC time goes by. When enough IC history has passed, I'll unveil my planned techs for SSQ and SQDSV. SQs will probably be a more powerful version of what its become.

If you actually had done your homework, you would know that all three of the SeaQuestian homeworlds (for the Alterans, Draconians, and Furlings) are 'missing'. This has caused 75% of the national population to vanish along with the majority of the nations fleets. Pretty much all I have left is the first RRF fleet of around 500 ships (or what's left after Bek's civil war) and a single home defense fleet of modified SW ships that were purchased (and yes, permison for the modification was given by the seller).

SQ has a new capital planet, but is in no shape for serious work. IC'ly, the period is going to be known to SQians as The Long Night, a period when anarchy ruled large segments of the former SQian empire (which now sports a new title/name). I plan for it to last for as long as it takes for the population to rebuild (which would be marked in the 2.5-3 billion NS population range).

And the chances of this switching from a Magog Worldship based design to one based on the Drakh Mothership is now 90%.

OOC: I think given the rather hostile nature this somewhat abrupt anouncement of IC Secret intention has given rise to, you would be wise to address, rather than how you intend to build it or indeed why, but how you intend to finance it and keep it hidden, and to allay fears this project may have caused among certain reactionary members of II, what you intend to do with it once complete, if anything.
OOC: Sorry, I missed the IC bit as I was dealing with so much OOC from everyone at that time. My bad. I'll edit into this post.
EDIT: Oops, misunderstood you. After a re-read of your quoted post, I noted words and phrases I missed the first run through.

Here's what's left from when it was to be based on the Magog Worldship. These may change due to the switch to it being based on a Drakh Mothership now.

Intended Uses:
1.) Political Tool;
2.) Statement Ship;
3.) Fall back point;
4.) Last line of defense;
5.) Defensive offense weapon (ie, demonstrate what she can do, then have people surrender the next time she shows up and not have to fire a shot (kind of like the DS was intended to be)).

That's all I can recall of the top of my head.

Funds were planned to be trickled through via hidden budgets. Like I said in an earlier post, its not like the SSQ government spends $15,000.00 on a toilet seat and $20,000.00 on a hammer (or however the quote goes).

Look, if you are going to treat me like I'm not a person, then don't hide it.

If you feel that way about me, then you pretty damn well should feel like that about everyone else in my shoes. Just because I haven't been around as long as people like Chrono, it doesn't mean I couldn't deal him some damage in ship confrontations.

All three of my SQs are using a similar tech base while IC time goes by. When enough IC history has passed, I'll unveil my planned techs for SSQ and SQDSV. SQs will probably be a more powerful version of what its become.

If you actually had done your homework, you would know that all three of the SeaQuestian homeworlds (for the Alterans, Draconians, and Furlings) are 'missing'. This has caused 75% of the national population to vanish along with the majority of the nations fleets. Pretty much all I have left is the first RRF fleet of around 500 ships (or what's left after Bek's civil war) and a single home defense fleet of modified SW ships that were purchased (and yes, permison for the modification was given by the seller).

SQ has a new capital planet, but is in no shape for serious work. IC'ly, the period is going to be known to SQians as The Long Night, a period when anarchy ruled large segments of the former SQian empire (which now sports a new title/name). I plan for it to last for as long as it takes for the population to rebuild (which would be marked in the 2.5-3 billion NS population range).

And the chances of this switching from a Magog Worldship based design to one based on the Drakh Mothership is now 90%.

I do feel that way about everyone in your shoes, but at least most of them know when to accept their role in the game. So far all I see is you redoing your nation to shamelessly rip off Andromeda in terminology and tech, except now thats down to 10% since people talked you out of your insanity, emphasising your reluctant changeability.

Advice may be better liberally sprinkled, but I and the GFFA have learned that SQ could be liberally sprinkled in advice till he choked, and all he has to his name and his cause are foot high yellow letters.

I have no doubt you could damage older nations, but building immense wanktastical neon signs saying "target here" is no way to ingratiate yourself to those whose ire you've already invoked.

That's really all I have to say on the matter.

I do feel that way about everyone in your shoes, but at least most of them know when to accept their role in the game. So far all I see is you redoing your nation to shamelessly rip off Andromeda in terminology and tech, except now thats down to 10% since people talked you out of your insanity, emphasising your reluctant changeability.

Advice may be better liberally sprinkled, but I and the GFFA have learned that SQ could be liberally sprinkled in advice till he choked, and all he has to his name and his cause are foot high yellow letters.

I have no doubt you could damage older nations, but building immense wanktastical neon signs saying "target here" is no way to ingratiate yourself to those whose ire you've already invoked.

That's really all I have to say on the matter.

At least its more believable(sp?) than a nation of the undead, IMHO. When your dead, you are dead. No coming back.

Vampires, on the other hand, are a different matter, if they use the more recent concept from Underworld and Blade that its caused by a mutogenic desease.

OOC: Wow that's arrogant, i'm going to have to assume your nation is a puppet of a much older one, because whilst your point maybe fairly accurate, people take information when it is not sprinkled so liberally with hypocrisy. A more consiliatory tone could be used in future ?
I have to agree with you on that, TEF.

Most vampires are undead, the best vampires more accurately are undead. Sure Underworld and Blade were cool, but they weren't exactly the Vampire Chronicles or Dracula. Undeath is far more interesting, alluring in some ways and utterly revolting in others.

Besides, if you can have your crown prince of darkness possessed by Abyss, I can have my Undead. Amusing how you ignored most of my point to take a dig at my basis.

Besides, how are the undead unbelievable in a fantasy/sci-fi environment? They're animated quite readily by a mix of science, magick and pseudo-science :)

Most vampires are undead, the best vampires more accurately are undead. Sure Underworld and Blade were cool, but they weren't exactly the Vampire Chronicles or Dracula. Undeath is far more interesting, alluring in some ways and utterly revolting in others.

Besides, if you can have your crown prince of darkness possessed by Abyss, I can have my Undead. Amusing how you ignored most of my point to take a dig at my basis.

OOC: Have you ever read Dracula ? I know it's only opinion but frankly, it's a peice of crap, really there must be better far better places from which to take vampires.

OOC: It's average, but it is a classic. Then of course you have stuff like LeFanu's Carmilla, Christabel by Coleridge. More contemporary sources like Salem's Lot, or the Vampire Chronicles. I actually base mine, for those who don't know, on the Scourge from Warcraft 3 :D Only in Space.

In that sense I don't actually have Vampires, but I am rather well versed in Vampire fiction, be it book or screen.

OOC: I'm just always astounded by the esteem it is held in, i read it expectng it to be at least a decent read, but i dont feel it's worthy the position it holds. The book i read just before it was Frankenstein and THAT most certainly is worth reading, even if it doesn't have any vampires.

OOC: I loved Frankenstein. That was actually the subject of my English dissertation. A comparison of good and evil in both Frankenstein and Dracula, and how the authors emphasise the relationships.

OOC: Back on topic please.

OOC: Was actually waiting on your reply. Should I get out my egg timer, my stopwatch or my calender?

OOC: Was actually waiting on your reply. Should I get out my egg timer, my stopwatch or my calender?
OOC: My reply on what? I made my response posts to all the on topic posts.

*Snip*
Besides, if you can have your crown prince of darkness possessed by Abyss, I can have my Undead. Amusing how you ignored most of my point to take a dig at my basis.
*Snip*

OOC: Not possesed by, he is the Abyss. The two fused and became one entity different from the originals. The Phobos aspect is what I'm using for the normal NS-verse to try to keep the full Abyss powers in check and avoid the wanking it could cause if unchecked. Though, if you travel to the home reality of the Abyss, you'll find that you're facing the full powers, abilities, and strength of the Abyss.

Seaquest why are you building this when you know it's going to be Galaxy Gunned, Death Starred, Black holed or frozen in a giant time dilation field for approximately twenty trillion years?

Sadly, the bulk of the NS community does not hold you in enough respects to accept this from you. And to attempt to force it on people and continue against the wishes of your peers merely makes them want to push your face through a grinder.

You desire respect upon these forums yet you do little to constructively earn it. I understand you're going "evil." You don't do it like this, a superweapon does not make you evil, it makes you ignored. Instead you need a good set of allies, nations to target, and a war to rampage on.

In constructing this thing, the NS community anticipates your entire nation to no longer be involved in any international scenarios in the wider NS community for about one and a half Real Life Years. Considering it took Jordaxia to build a mere orbital around Pluto one Real Life Year.

The community has asked that you not build this, yet you continue anyway? Tell me when its done who are you going to RP with? No ones going to accept it so whats the point?

You could bow out gracefully right now, however I doubt that will happen; you're never one for admitting when your wrong even in the face of overwhelming opinion by your peers.

And the chances of this switching from a Magog Worldship based design to one based on the Drakh Mothership is now 90%.Good plan. A huge mobile factory/base ship is so much better; it can be kept out of combat, but then finding it and attacking it can be the theme of a subthread by your enemies, which makes for better RP.

I use technology drawn from Marc Miller's Traveller RPG (and its sequel, MegaTraveller - whose ship design rules are very, very nice). One of his concepts is that of a "Battle Rider" - a STL pocket battleship that rides into action with a number of its peers attached to an FTL mothership; the latter then withdraws to a safe place while the former and its ilk do battle. B5's Drakh Mothership and other similar vessels are extreme examples of this, but the concept is basically the same.

There's another nice thing about ships of this kind: their loss may turn a battle against you, but they won't cause you to instantly lose the war (due to the extent of the damage plus morale effects).

Seaquest why are you building this when you know it's going to be Galaxy Gunned, Death Starred, Black holed or frozen in a giant time dilation field for approximately twenty trillion years?

Sadly, the bulk of the NS community does not hold you in enough respects to accept this from you. And to attempt to force it on people and continue against the wishes of your peers merely makes them want to push your face through a grinder.

You desire respect upon these forums yet you do little to constructively earn it. I understand you're going "evil." You don't do it like this, a superweapon does not make you evil, it makes you ignored. Instead you need a good set of allies, nations to target, and a war to rampage on.

In constructing this thing, the NS community anticipates your entire nation to no longer be involved in any international scenarios in the wider NS community for about one and a half Real Life Years. Considering it took Jordaxia to build a mere orbital around Pluto one Real Life Year.

The community has asked that you not build this, yet you continue anyway? Tell me when its done who are you going to RP with? No ones going to accept it so whats the point?

You could bow out gracefully right now, however I doubt that will happen; you're never one for admitting when your wrong even in the face of overwhelming opinion by your peers.

Did you note the part that I'm switching the design from one based off the Magog Worldship to one based off a Drakh Mothership?

Good plan. A huge mobile factory/base ship is so much better; it can be kept out of combat, but then finding it and attacking it can be the theme of a subthread by your enemies, which makes for better RP.

I use technology drawn from Marc Miller's Traveller RPG (and its sequel, MegaTraveller - whose ship design rules are very, very nice). One of his concepts is that of a "Battle Rider" - a STL pocket battleship that rides into action with a number of its peers attached to an FTL mothership; the latter then withdraws to a safe place while the former and its ilk do battle. B5's Drakh Mothership and other similar vessels are extreme examples of this, but the concept is basically the same.

There's another nice thing about ships of this kind: their loss may turn a battle against you, but they won't cause you to instantly lose the war (due to the extent of the damage plus morale effects).

Considering that the Citadel, or whatever I end up naming her, is supposed to be a fall back point for SSQ's government, she's going to be a bit bigger than your standard Drakh Mothership. Though, I am considering building smaller-than-canon versions and canon versions in addition, just not fleets of them.

Considering that the Citadel, or whatever I end up naming her, is supposed to be a fall back point for SSQ's government, she's going to be a bit bigger than your standard Drakh Mothership. Though, I am considering building smaller-than-canon versions and canon versions in addition, just not fleets of them.

It is my opinion something like you are describing should be a unique construction, especially if it is going to be the "fall back point" for your goverment.

Having several capitals floating around just invites one of them to be taken over to be used for issuing contridictory orders. That could at best cause general confusion and feelings of vulnerability among your citizens and in the worse case cause your goverment to be overthrown.

I know you would have defences but nothing is impervious. The risks and expendature would not be worth it.

It is my opinion something like you are describing should be a unique construction, especially if it is going to be the "fall back point" for your goverment.

Having several capitals floating around just invites one of them to be taken over to be used for issuing contridictory orders. That could at best cause general confusion and feelings of vulnerability among your citizens and in the worse case cause your goverment to be overthrown.

I know you would have defences but nothing is impervious. The risks and expendature would not be worth it.

One floating back-up capital at larger than canon size, then a handful of canon size ships for the fleet.

The canon sized ones would designed with two roles in mind:

1.) Starship Construction
2.) Attack fleet deployment

That way, I can put the entire fleet in the hangers and use less fuel to get it where it needs to go. Also means I don't need as many stationary shipyard facilities that could be targetted.

There you go!

Glad I could help, to the extent that I did. ;)

There you go!

Glad I could help, to the extent that I did. ;)
Meh, we each play our own small roles on the great stage known as life.

2.) Attack fleet deployment

That way, I can put the entire fleet in the hangers and use less fuel to get it where it needs to go.Incorrect. Their mass still has to be moved - and is moved - by the carrier (Which will thus be slower, as it needs to expend more energy in order to accelerate its now-increased mass). Fuel expenditure remains the same.

The carrier makes sense only for


Smallcraft that don't have FTL
Maintenance (Repairs, re-munitioning)


That's it.

Incorrect. Their mass still has to be moved - and is moved - by the carrier (Which will thus be slower, as it needs to expend more energy in order to accelerate its now-increased mass). Fuel expenditure is remains the same.

The carrier makes sense only for


Smallcraft that don't have FTL
Maintenance (Repairs, re-munitioning)


That's it.

With my current tech, mass is technically not a concern.

Also, another concern is that the Slipstream routes aren't consistant and piloting them includes a measure of luck.

One interesting thing about moving through the slipstream is that travel time between points has very little to do with the distance actually traveled. If a pilot is lucky, and the stream unfolds just right, the ship could transit between galaxies in minutes. But put an unlucky pilot at the helm and the same trip could take weeks or even months.

Luckily for the cause of interstellar commerce and communication, the more a certain path is frequently traveled, the faster, easier and more predictable the journey becomes.

Thus, its actually more effecient to put a fleet inside one ship instead of having a fleet with arrival times that can span such lengths of time.

Incorrect. Their mass still has to be moved - and is moved - by the carrier (Which will thus be slower, as it needs to expend more energy in order to accelerate its now-increased mass). Fuel expenditure remains the same.

The carrier makes sense only for


Smallcraft that don't have FTL
Maintenance (Repairs, re-munitioning)


That's it.Not necessarily.

There are two things to keep in mind: Newtonian movement works as you claim, but non-Newtonian movement might not.

If we're just accelerating masses up to transluminal speeds and beyond, using something like the traditional formula for inertial movement (F=ma), then you are right. But if we're using something like a hyperspace drive to travel between the stars, where we have to open a hole of a certain size and keep it open for a short while (E=At), then what we have to ask ourselves is whether it costs the same amount of energy to open two small holes as it does to open a single bigger one. If so, then there's no advantage to having ships piggyback on one another; but if a single big holes is cheaper to create than a couple of smaller ones...


Why should we assume that only small craft might lack FTL drives? If FTL drives are expensive, then it might be more cost effective to have a few “motherships” carry many smaller ones into battle; but “smaller” is relative: they could be battleships, rather than fighters.

Of course the larger the ship being carried, the larger the carrier, thus placing more economic weight on building such a carrier. Homeworld's a good example, where immense ships like Battlecruisers are produced by FTL capable Shipyards, seperate from the Mothership.

First off, I quoted the bit on my Slipstream FTL drive in my previous post that explains why 'piggy-backing', as The Cosmic Balance termed it, more effective and effecient.

Secondly, my largest ship, currently (planning on larger fleet flagships and thus freeing up my XMCs for exploration), is my XMC (SSQ's going to end up with a different tech core in the end, but I'm using the same for SQ, SSQ, and SQDSV for now).

XMC Dimensions:
Length: 1,301 meters
Beam: 976 meters
Height: 325 meters

Why bother using Slipstream then? Surely you could implement a far more effective FTL propulsion system?

Why bother using Slipstream then? Surely you could implement a far more effective FTL propulsion system?
Because of the following (sorry, but I've got to do a list):

a.) Range;
b.) General travel time (with the standard luck of your average organic pilot);
c.) I like how it looks;
d.) Its canon for the tech base;
e.) Temporal dislocation ability (have to have a really lucky precognitive pilot);
f.) Not affected by gravitic distoritions like SW hyperdrive;
g.) Nigh impossible to track a ship unless you manage to follow her into the Slipstream;
h.) Allows for non-linear travel;
i.) I want to use it.

And that's all I can think of off the top of my half-asleep brain.

*shrugs* Seems more trouble than its worth. The fact is that its only used in Andromeda because its all there is, and there must be countless more effective systems that exist or could be dreamt up.

We use the Twisting Nether for transport by opening up portals using the focussed magickal energy generated by the waters of the Sunwell/Well of Eternity.

Still, if you want to use it, it's up to you:)

*shrugs* Seems more trouble than its worth. The fact is that its only used in Andromeda because its all there is, and there must be countless more effective systems that exist or could be dreamt up.

We use the Twisting Nether for transport by opening up portals using the focussed magickal energy generated by the waters of the Sunwell/Well of Eternity.

Still, if you want to use it, it's up to you:)

Meh, to each his/her own.

Now, on the topic of the thread, here's the plan.

1 larger than canon ship based on Drakh Mothership for the Citadel (or whatever the name ends up being).
At least 1 canon sized one for a more canon applications

I'll start with the larger than canon sized one's construction. I may or may not build a canon sized one at the same time, haven't decided yet.

No point in building another canon size one if you already have a larger than canon one. Regard Icecrown, my Flagship. Floating citadel-ship of the Scourge, mobile Capital and seat of the Lich King, the entire glaciar integrated into the structure, the Frozen Throne at its centre. Wrenched from the Ice of the world of Northrend, it traverses the stars and the nether bringing the glory of the Lich King to the fullest. Below that are many designs, such as larger Scourge Battlecruisers, and Necropolis mobile Battleunits :D

c.) I like how it looks

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought this was a text-based game...?

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought this was a text-based game...?
I'll give you that. I was speaking of the canon on-screen Slipstream.

No point in building another canon size one if you already have a larger than canon one. Regard Icecrown, my Flagship. Floating citadel-ship of the Scourge, mobile Capital and seat of the Lich King, the entire glaciar integrated into the structure, the Frozen Throne at its centre. Wrenched from the Ice of the world of Northrend, it traverses the stars and the nether bringing the glory of the Lich King to the fullest. Below that are many designs, such as larger Scourge Battlecruisers, and Necropolis mobile Battleunits :D

Still, I'll need something to transport my ships around without risking SSQ's mobile capital version.

I'm still looking, but SQ and SQDSV are going to have different designs for a Slipstream Fleet Transport type deal like SSQ's canon sized Drakh Mothership based vessel is to be. As SSQ's going to have the larger-than-canon version of the Drakh Mothership based craft for a mobile capital and SQ already has the Atlantis for a mobile capital city ship, that leaves just SQDSV needing one as well as the fleet transport.

EDIT: Plus, there's also going to be a vast difference on the interiors, design wise.

Like a Starcraft Terran tech Battleglobe, IIRC. You'll have to ask MM for specifics on that missile spammer.

I have seen the RPs depicting the Battleglobe. It is in fact an Utu class Planetoid referred to as Dahak at least twice that I have seen. Thus it must be Dahak.

OOC: The thing with TSLP, which, IIRC, was one of your puppets, was caused by constant wankary and GMing.

As for MM's Covenant puppet, that was done with his usual GM-wanking. He GM-wanked his own stuff into god-like invinciblity and had the odacity to say what my tech can and can't do.

The thing with Rezo on the Draftroom forums was because Rezo was one hell of an asshole. Like you are being now. The fact that his obvious flame baiting (backed by the NS rules) was supported by the Draftboard admin and a Jolt moderator makes me seriously doubt people like that even know the meaning of common decency.

Same thing as usual happened with MM's TSL puppet. He attempted to GM my characters doing something they did not.

The Cluster was caused by even more wanking and GMing by others towards me. In that instance, even Bal was guilty of it.

Now, MM is covered by a blanket ignore from me. His main nation and all of his puppets are not even acknowledged because of his GM-wanking.

Now, if you actually opened your eyes, you would note I actually am the first to offer compromise when things get dicey.

I've accepted the truth and the facts. Now its time you did as well.

Now, I'll ask you nicely one last time to please leave my threads and myself alone.

I'd like to see some evidence of these accusations you spout so freely.

I have seen the RPs depicting the Battleglobe. It is in fact an Utu class Planetoid referred to as Dahak at least twice that I have seen. Thus it must be Dahak.
Meh, or it could be his usual bastardization of canon.

Meh, or it could be his usual bastardization of canon.

Coming from YOU, referring to something as "bastardization of canon" seems rather hypocritical. I've seen your old designs, with some 10+ armors on them. And a stupid number of drives. And the ability to operate ANYWHERE.

Any more comments? Or should I get back to secret IC posts regarding progress?

Any more comments? Or should I get back to secret IC posts regarding progress?

I believe common courtesy would indicate that you should reply to The Alien Covenant. He has directly addressed you.

Meh, or it could be his usual bastardization of canon.

I believe that, having read the books in question, I am more able to speak as to the authenticity of the battleglobe in question. It is referred to as Dahak, described as the size of the moon, and mounts enough weapons to make my eyes water. It fits the description of Dahak perfectly. At least it isn't Asgerd class Dahak which is larger than the Utu class by, IIRC, a full order of magnitude.

The only non-canon part is the ability to break FTLi. Although I'd say that's a bit better than the ability of the real planetoids to force a sun into Nova.

I believe common courtesy would indicate that you should reply to The Alien Covenant. He has directly addressed you.
MM's ignore covers all of his puppets, even TAC.

I believe that, having read the books in question, I am more able to speak as to the authenticity of the battleglobe in question. It is referred to as Dahak, described as the size of the moon, and mounts enough weapons to make my eyes water. It fits the description of Dahak perfectly. At least it isn't Asgerd class Dahak which is larger than the Utu class by, IIRC, a full order of magnitude.

The only non-canon part is the ability to break FTLi. Although I'd say that's a bit better than the ability of the real planetoids to force a sun into Nova.

Hmm, interesting. I really have to make the time to read those things.

Thanks for the info.

MM's ignore covers all of his puppets, even TAC.

I believe that your claim is being disputed though. Have you any evidence of TAC being a puppet?

I believe that your claim is being disputed though. Have you any evidence of TAC being a puppet?
Yes, independent confirmation. IIRC, it was an MSN convo between me and I don't recall who off the top of my head (it was some time ago).

Though, you can just ask him yourself.

Yes, independent confirmation. IIRC, it was an MSN convo between me and I don't recall who off the top of my head (it was some time ago).

Though, you can just ask him yourself.

With something as sketchy as that statement, I would be wary of making statements. ED: Circumstantial evidence points to the veracity of your statements.

I also had a realization: In most pie eating contests, you won't find one contestant eating all the rest.

With something as sketchy as that statement, I would be wary of making statements. ED: Circumstantial evidence points to the veracity of your statements.

I also had a realization: In most pie eating contests, you won't find one contestant eating all the rest.

IIRC, doesn't 'veracity' mean correctness?

Oh, and I don't get the pie eating contest metaphor. Would you mind explaining it?

IIRC, doesn't 'veracity' mean correctness?

Oh, and I don't get the pie eating contest metaphor. Would you mind explaining it?

You mentioned Magog versus Ctan earlier. In most such contests, one contestant will not try to eat the rest. That does not hold true concerning the Star Gods. Magog are just as nibbly as people.

And yes, there is some circumstancial evidence that shows that you may be correct. It's hardly definitive though.

Indeed, he infers that through veracity of verbatum and verily validated vexations of the vernacular, veering unconciousably towards villainy, that the truth of your statement tends towards the teeming tides of the totally irrelevant drivel of half-truth and speculation.

Indeed, he infers that through veracity of verbatum and verily validated vexations of the vernacular, veering unconciousably towards villainy, that the truth of your statement tends towards the teeming tides of the totally irrelevant drivel of half-truth and speculation.

Thank you, oh alliterative one. Very well put.

Indeed, he infers that through veracity of verbatum and verily validated vexations of the vernacular, veering unconciousably towards villainy, that the truth of your statement tends towards the teeming tides of the totally irrelevant drivel of half-truth and speculation.
Pardon me while I go get a theasurus(sp?), lol.

You mentioned Magog versus Ctan earlier. In most such contests, one contestant will not try to eat the rest. That does not hold true concerning the Star Gods. Magog are just as nibbly as people.

And yes, there is some circumstancial evidence that shows that you may be correct. It's hardly definitive though.

I'll give you that. Something that would have to be taken care of in OOC planning.

OCC: Anything else regarding the original topic of this thread?

OOC: Meh, people can go with whatever concepts they want I suppose and generally I've just made a point of ignoring the ones which don't fit the kind of feel I'm looking for. Sticking to the original topic, this falls along those lines. It's a huge ass unstoppable structure built by what I can only assume is another instant space empire. Some people go for that kind of thing and I try and let them be... so long as they don't push their inflated sense of power on to others just having fun I can live and let live, but needless to say that playing on this scale makes players like me want to avoid you entirely.

It's not my place to tell you where you 'belong'... I beleive in freeform roleplay and the idea that anyone can make their own concept, be it original or not, and enjoy themselves. However, I will repeat what others have stated before quite simply: If you want respect (and acceptance) you have to earn it over time by showing to people that you are worth the time and effort of roleplaying with. It's not about having the most powerful weapons and winning the game, but more about interacting with other players in a way which is enjoyable for the both of you.

I've seen nations that are newly created find their own little niche within the first few days of their arrival simply because they have interested those they aim to roleplay with and earned the respect required to have their concept accepted. Conversly other nations I've seen have existed almost since the start of Nationstates and still they have trouble fitting in with most crowds.

In anycase, it's ulimately up to you. You don't need my approval, at the end of the day my opinion matters very little and is only useful if you want to interact with me closely, but the fact remains that there are tons of people and groups in nationstates who all have their own preferences and ideas, in my opinion it helps to try and understand what level you want to play at and then work around it, give concessions now and then and generally work with people. End of the day the game is more enjoyable if you give and take instead of just take.

My two pence.

OOC: @Iuthia: I fully agree. Though, sometimes its hard to find a niche when one is constantly harrassed by people at every turn.

For example, MM (and all his puppets) have been hostile towards me from the day we met. It had nothing to do with anything IC. Its just that his OOC attitude towards me was arrogant, hostile, and rude. The dude just won't drop the 'I'm better than you' stuff and 'holier than thou' routine.

Then there's Lord Namter/Electron X/whatever puppet he's using at the moment. Refuses to listen to anything I say, looks at my posts and reads what he wants, trys to tell me what I can and can't do with my nation, and that's just for starters.

Now, on the topic of this thread. Even at canon size, a ship based on a Drakh Mothership is going to be HUGE. Though, compared to most super ships on NS, its not that large.

Though, the 'instant empire' thing I don't get. Would you mind explaining it?

@All: Now, to use an altered form of a quote from a movie I just watched:

"I'm willing to support some compromise as long as I'm managing to actually get something done."

That movie also had another good quote:

"There is a fine line between standing by principle and hiding behind it."

Now, the first quote I intentionally mangled while the second is as close to canon as I could get off the top of my head.

Note: Cookie if you can name the movie the quotes are from.

Then there's Lord Namter/Electron X/whatever puppet he's using at the moment. Refuses to listen to anything I say, looks at my posts and reads what he wants, trys to tell me what I can and can't do with my nation, and that's just for starters.

As far as I know, ElectronX is actually fairly reasonable most of the time and usually trys to iron out issues out of character when someone is damaging the thread by not taking their hits or going over the top... however I have to admit that at times he loses his patience and isn't as civil as he would like to be.

You guys seem to have a history and lets face it... you don't take criticism very well which I'll admit partly comes down to the condescending tone many people use when dealing with you. It doesn't mean they don't have a point when they say something is impractical... they just lack the common decency to be polite about it. I think this is becuase originally you were a flagrant rip off with little sense of balance, to be fair I have a whole ton a little rip off ideas myself, but I try and pace myself with what I use and give it a personal twist.

But meh, nevermind. Live and learn. Just try not to let people get to you and try being polite about it at first, even if they arn't. At the very least you can be the better person instead of joining in.

Though, the 'instant empire' thing I don't get. Would you mind explaining it?

I'm probably basing my entire opinion on you on assumptions made from what little I've seen over time... but basically in my own opinion several of the future technology nations in International Incidents are so advanced and built up that personally I don't feel their nations population could possibly support their concept. Not that it's a huge issue for me, but as an originally modern technology nation that built itself up from the ground it's hard to compare myself with someone who just has the best technology and the largest fleets because they want to roleplay the Empire. When someone relatively new follows this trend by having similarly huge vessels and fleets I can't help but think of them as an "Instant Empire" because they haven't really done much to justify their own sense of power other then write that it is such.

Ultimately, it comes down to a difference of opinion. Some people want to play on a much larger scale then nationstates could realistically provide for... thats their choice. But you'll understand that some people (including myself sadly) aren't keen on the idea of such nations claiming to defeat us because their concept happened to be bigger in scope. If I'm going to accept these empires I want to feel that they can use this 'power' reasonably instead of just wanting to own everyone else.

At the moment I've not seen enough to say for sure... but given this thread as an example, I'd rather not deal with you and I'd really really rather never deal with the temporal accord... the attitudes I've seen in the past with them just stinks.

As far as I know, ElectronX is actually fairly reasonable most of the time and usually trys to iron out issues out of character when someone is damaging the thread by not taking their hits or going over the top... however I have to admit that at times he loses his patience and isn't as civil as he would like to be.
OOC: Still doesn't explain his posts in my old (and no longer current) Database thread saying that it was impossible for me to have, for example, a ship based on the ID4 mothership, even though it was many, MANY times smaller (8 klicks long by 5 klicks wide as opposed to the canon 800 klicks long by 550 klicks wide).

You guys seem to have a history and lets face it... you don't take criticism very well which I'll admit partly comes down to the condescending tone many people use when dealing with you. It doesn't mean they don't have a point when they say something is impractical... they just lack the common decency to be polite about it. I think this is becuase originally you were a flagrant rip off with little sense of balance, to be fair I have a whole ton a little rip off ideas myself, but I try and pace myself with what I use and give it a personal twist.

I'll be the first to admit I have a stubborn streak, that's true.

I also admit I was somewhat of a n00b at first. I used anything and everything I wanted. Though, that was due to that I hadn't learned the standard RP rules for Jolt yet. I still am working out the kinks.

But meh, nevermind. Live and learn. Just try not to let people get to you and try being polite about it at first, even if they arn't. At the very least you can be the better person instead of joining in.

Agreed. Another thing I've been working on as well.

I'm probably basing my entire opinion on you on assumptions made from what little I've seen over time... but basically in my own opinion several of the future technology nations in International Incidents are so advanced and built up that personally I don't feel their nations population could possibly support their concept. Not that it's a huge issue for me, but as an originally modern technology nation that built itself up from the ground it's hard to compare myself with someone who just has the best technology and the largest fleets because they want to roleplay the Empire. When someone relatively new follows this trend by having similarly huge vessels and fleets I can't help but think of them as an "Instant Empire" because they haven't really done much to justify their own sense of power other then write that it is such.

TBH, wouldn't you have a better framework for the basis of your opinion if we engaged in a little RP together. If you wish, it can have no impact on our nations and just be a friendly RP with no connection to the mainstream NS-verse. TG me if you agree to this idea.

I admit that building up through the tech levels like you did would probably have been best, but I went for what I know. My area of knowledge is mostly about FT stuff and Magi-tech, but very little about PT, MT, PMT, and NFT.

Though, I have changed a few things so that SQ, my main nation, is in a period called the Long Night. This way, I can RP going from a handful of worlds, systems, and facilities in a 'civilized' section of my territory to reclaiming the remaining 'uncivilized' areas from the local kingpins, evil overlords, pirate lords, and other generally unplesant characters in charge. My Long Night is based on a merger of ideas and concepts from Firefly and Andromeda.

Ultimately, it comes down to a difference of opinion. Some people want to play on a much larger scale then nationstates could realistically provide for... thats their choice. But you'll understand that some people (including myself sadly) aren't keen on the idea of such nations claiming to defeat us because their concept happened to be bigger in scope. If I'm going to accept these empires I want to feel that they can use this 'power' reasonably instead of just wanting to own everyone else.

I agree with that reasonable idea.

As the quote says (I don't recall where its from): "Its not about your weight, its about how you throw it around."

At the moment I've not seen enough to say for sure... but given this thread as an example, I'd rather not deal with you and I'd really really rather never deal with the temporal accord... the attitudes I've seen in the past with them just stinks.

Then, mind if I try to work at changing your opinion of me to one where you wouldn't mind dealing with me?

Hm, thats probably the right attitude but I'm afriad I'm not actually roleplaying much right now... it's one thing for me voice my opinion as it takes very little creative effort on my part to write this, but I've just not been motivated to dedicate myself to much recently. Nothing to do with yourself, I have others who wanted to do things with my for some time but I just haven't felt like it for some time and it's something I'm trying to get around as I used to enjoy Nationstates more.

Generally speaking, I like to stick to threads that interest me. I know this sounds stupid as the same can be said for everyone, but it covers a good amount of my problem at the moment in that most things I see don't engage my interests and at the same time I'm too lazy to create something which does interest me. I'm thinking of doing some very basic open future technology RP when I've got the motivation and providing people are reasonable I don't mind who joins in, though realistically I'd rather not have everyone at once as it's supposed to be kind of an exploration deal... still working out the kinks of it to be honest but it'll serve to better demostrate Iuthian space efforts.


Getting back to the point at hand, I agree that not everyone wants to build themselves up through the technology stages, especially when you have a future technology concept in mind. However, if you want to be balanced then there is no reason why you can't be. It's a simple enough matter to start a FT nation with little resources and military power (perhaps a very small fleet with a few capital ships) and then work your way up over time. It means you can't enter every thread and act like 'the man' but it shows willing to acknowledge you're a growing power instead of instantly assuming yourself to be as powerful as any old nation. This said, I imagine this is all moot now as what's done is done.

Being the lazy ass that I am, I tend to judge alot of people based on how they interact with people simply because alot of the time there simply isn't enough willing on my half to actually roleplay enough to find out about everyone from personal experience. If I really want to know I'll look through someone's history and see what they have claimed and how they have roleplayed with others... until I can be assed to write something myself I'm going to stick to this method for a while.

OOC: I quite understand, Iuthia.

(SeaQuest, get on MSN)

(SeaQuest, get on MSN)
OOC: A'right. But I only have time to stay on for a short while, TCG.

EDIT: A'right, I'm logged in.

OOC: Note: There will be only one canon sized Drakh Mothership based ship. Now, some of you may consider it still a bit large, but it technically falls into the average size range for SW tech SSDs. Now, currently one is planned for the Dark Empire, but more may be built in the future.

OOC: Well, since you only have this nation...Can you really afford any of it?

OOC: Well, since you only have this nation...Can you really afford any of it?
OOC: Good point, I'll give you that. I just checked the window with the economic stats for this nation, and the Defense budget is a bit smaller than my old SQ one. Well, they didn't invent installment payments for nothing, eh.

OOC: Good point, I'll give you that. I just checked the window with the economic stats for this nation, and the Defense budget is a bit smaller than my old SQ one. Well, they didn't invent installment payments for nothing, eh.

OOC: And over how many bankrupted lifetimes do you plan to string your pointless investment over? Compared to the many, albeit smaller ships that your smaller self could then possess?

Guess you have to decide if size matters on this project.

OOC: Good point, I'll give you that. I just checked the window with the economic stats for this nation, and the Defense budget is a bit smaller than my old SQ one. Well, they didn't invent installment payments for nothing, eh.

Except, SQ had a tiny Def budget. Chronos dwarfs mine, and I could buy your military, and then have money left over to buy every NSer imaginary red Cadillac Convertibles, and pay for all my forces salaries. I'd have to let training and maintenance slide a bit(read: stop), but who needs an effective military anyway?

And I could buy both of your militaries, and I wouldn't even attempt this... atrocity.

This giant thing of uber doom shouldn't even be attempted.

And I could buy both of your militaries, and I wouldn't even attempt this... atrocity.

This giant thing of uber doom shouldn't even be attempted.
OOC: Then how come smaller nations than SSQ was are able to build and support several more than just the one SSD sized craft I'm planning for the Dark Empire's fleet?

OOC: And over how many bankrupted lifetimes do you plan to string your pointless investment over? Compared to the many, albeit smaller ships that your smaller self could then possess?

Guess you have to decide if size matters on this project.

OOC: TBH, I'm willing to take small chunks of the part I've set aside for the Dark Empire side of SeaQuest. This will mean that it won't be ready any-time soon and more than likely won't see any IC action (like a launch) until at least a few IC weeks, maybe even months.

OOC: Then how come smaller nations than SSQ was are able to build and support several more than just the one SSD sized craft I'm planning for the Dark Empire's fleet?

Cuz they're n00bs? It would be advisable not to justify your own wankery on the basis that others who do not know better attempt similar things.

I believe if your nation was deleted, you cannot continue it's projects with another puppet. You are supposed to start a new nation and use the stats of that nation for your projects. Using one nation to fund/run/ect... another is called puppetwankery if I remember correctly.

I might be wrong...

I believe if your nation was deleted, you cannot continue it's projects with another puppet. You are supposed to start a new nation and use the stats of that nation for your projects. Using one nation to fund/run/ect... another is called puppetwankery if I remember correctly.

I might be wrong...

No you are correct Balrogga.

Thank you.

OOC: TBH, I'm willing to take small chunks of the part I've set aside for the Dark Empire side of SeaQuest. This will mean that it won't be ready any-time soon and more than likely won't see any IC action (like a launch) until at least a few IC weeks, maybe even months.

OOC: You can't use anything related to the Dark Empire side because it no longer exists. You have this nations budget, nothing more. Attempting to augment budget, etc, with things from other nations which you own is, as rightly surmised, puppetwanking.

Sorry.

OOC: You can't use anything related to the Dark Empire side because it no longer exists. You have this nations budget, nothing more. Attempting to augment budget, etc, with things from other nations which you own is, as rightly surmised, puppetwanking.

Sorry.
OOC: Who said anything about using another account's budget to build this? I'm taking it from a portion of SQ2032's budget that I've set aside for my Phobos/Abyss led Dark Empire side. Just because I'm running a three sided nation deal using one account (similar to CW's Light and Dark sides using one account), doesn't mean I have to drop everything and start again when one of the accounts I was using as a pop and primary budget base is no longer available for my use.

Cuz they're n00bs? It would be advisable not to justify your own wankery on the basis that others who do not know better attempt similar things.
OOC: Well, as you can see, Phobos/Abyss and the Dark Empire part of the SeaQuestian nation(s) are only getting one SSD sized ship at this point-in-time.

Just because I don't have the SSQ account to seperate the Dark Empire posts from the others, that doesn't mean it stopped existing when the account went.

Great. Now you're working with three nations on one (rather tiny) budget. Good luck with that one.

Just because I don't have the SSQ account to seperate the Dark Empire posts from the others, that doesn't mean it stopped existing when the account went.

Yes... yes in fact it did.

Yes... yes in fact it did.

Oh what a fortuitous set of circumstances, this will be the first time, that-uh Godular and I have ever reached agreement. Ha ha! Ha ha! Ha ha!

The terms of the game are not up for discussion boy, the soul of seaquest, dark seaquest and each of your damned manifestations have each been sent to the locker; but perhaps I can help to reverse the judgement?

One hundred years before the mast. Will ye serve?

Great. Now you're working with three nations on one (rather tiny) budget. Good luck with that one.
OOC: Two, actually. SeaQuest DSV is still around.

Yes... yes in fact it did.
OOC: Wrong. My nations, so I decide.

Oh what a fortuitous set of circumstances, this will be the first time, that-uh Godular and I have ever reached agreement. Ha ha! Ha ha! Ha ha!

OOC: Then I'll tell you the same thing I told him. Its incorrect. The accounts may have been locked and the nations deleted, but the characters are still alive and being RPed with by me.

The terms of the game are not up for discussion boy, the soul of seaquest, dark seaquest and each of your damned manifestations have each been sent to the locker; but perhaps I can help to reverse the judgement?

OOC: The nations and accounts, yes. The souls and what made them what they were IC'ly, no.

Oh, and it was the Dark Empire of Shadow SeaQuest, not Dark SeaQuest. Just wanted to clear that up.

One hundred years before the mast. Will ye serve?

OOC: Uh, TBH, I have no clue what you are talking about here. If its a reference to joining the GE, meh. You never know what the future will hold.

OOC: The point is that this one little nation can't sustain all that both of the other nations possessed. It cannot be done, as their economies, etc have ceased to exist, leaving you singularly with this. Seaquest 2032. My advice? Start a new concept and stop using this nation to circumvent the ban and attempt to RP as SQ and SSQ

As for going before the Mast, well, its not exactly joining the GE, but it does tend to stave off Death. Can't wait to see Sith's victim infested ship...You might even get a barnacle ;)

Puppet wanking, with non-existant puppets? That's a new low....

OOC: The point is that this one little nation can't sustain all that both of the other nations possessed. It cannot be done, as their economies, etc have ceased to exist, leaving you singularly with this. Seaquest 2032. My advice? Start a new concept and stop using this nation to circumvent the ban and attempt to RP as SQ and SSQ

As for going before the Mast, well, its not exactly joining the GE, but it does tend to stave off Death. Can't wait to see Sith's victim infested ship...You might even get a barnacle ;)

OOC: Just because I've got a new account doesn't mean I can't use the same characters with the same goals as I have been.

As for this 'Mast', well, the RP will play out differently depending on if they encounter Bridger's forces (mix of Darkness and Light), Phobo's forces (pure Darkness), or Elyon's forces (pure Light).

Remember, I use Magick just as much as I use tech. Given the amount of IC time I've had to evolve and develop everything (tech and Magick), I'm betting I could do more damage than just knocking off a barnicle. My gravitic tech especially powerful, seeing as how I've been working on it since day one of posting (ie, its one of the few things I've got left that's come through the changes relatively intact (even got a few gravitic tricks I've worked up using it)).

Oh, and 'little'? SQ2032 is already 1+ billion in population size.

Note: Darkness and Light are two of the Magickal Elements on the list Dragon Emperor and I worked up some time ago. The original base ones just didn't cover everything.

@Chrono: Perhaps you would like to meet Urgash, the Primordial Dragon of Chaos (on Phobo's Dark Empire side).

Puppet wanking, with non-existant puppets? That's a new low....

OOC: No, just RPing with a pre-existing backstory. So what if the account is different, the characters and the roles they play remain the same.

No, not wrong. I am quite right in point of fact.

They are NOT your nations. They stopped being your nations, or anyone's nations for that matter, when they ceased to exist.

As such, you can not utilize their resources for your much smaller current nation to do with as you please. You cannot pick up your other nations' terminated research. You cannot continue your other nations' terminated construction projects. You can, however, do the following with your deleted nations:

A) Not a bloody thing

B) Gripe about not being able to do a bloody thing (present option selected)

C) Make a ham sammich

OOC: Where did I say I'm using the resources of the ill-fated SSQ or SQ? I said I'm using resources diverted from SQ2032 for Phobos's side. I'm more interested in keeping the story going than anything.

SSQ may be gone, but Phobos and his Dark Empire still live.

OOC: Wrong. My nations, so I decide.

No, not wrong. I am quite right in point of fact.

They are NOT your nations. They stopped being your nations, or anyone's nations for that matter, when they ceased to exist.

As such, you can not utilize their resources for your much smaller current nation to do with as you please. You cannot pick up your other nations' terminated research. You cannot continue your other nations' terminated construction projects. You can, however, do the following with your deleted nations:

A) Not a bloody thing

B) Gripe about not being able to do a bloody thing (present option selected)

C) Make a ham sammich

OOC: Uh, anyone else notice how my quote of Godular's post ended up appearing BEFORE it in the post list?

Oh, and 'little'? SQ2032 is already 1+ billion in population size.

Yeah? Well my pop is... 4 times yours.. and my defense budget is 15 times bigger than yours.

Infact, my defense budget is... over 3 times as big as your entire GDP and budget...

You are small. Small enough to not even be able to make an ISD, in my, and most other RESPECTABLE(AKA, not n00bs) people's books.

EDIT:
OOC: Uh, anyone else notice how my quote of Godular's post ended up appearing BEFORE it in the post list?

Uh, it's called editing your own post?

OOC: OOC reactions will be appreciated.
Also know, I may or may not continue to post updates in this thread occasionaly regarding the progress on construction. So, constructive OOC comments and reactions will be welcome from now until launch.
A reaction based entirely upon the picture....

wow.

Now, let me take you to one of my other Realities and show you Babylon, a Worldship exactly five times the size of Jupiter.

Yeah? Well my pop is... 4 times yours.. and my defense budget is 15 times bigger than yours.

Infact, my defense budget is... over 3 times as big as your entire GDP and budget...

You are small. Small enough to not even be able to make an ISD, in my, and most other RESPECTABLE(AKA, not n00bs) people's books.

OOC: Oh, your using that as a comparison for size. Of course any '04 nation (or '03 like Chrono) is going to be bigger in population size. Though, my SQ account, prior to its unfortunate loss, was doing pretty well budget wise. Its going to take some time, but I plan on working it so SQ2032's budget is just as good, if not better, than SQ's.

EDIT:


Uh, it's called editing your own post?

OOC: Honestly, I hit the quote button on Godular's post. Honestly, I didn't edit anything. Must have been a forum fluke (its happened before for a bunch of people some time ago, back in '05, IIRC).

A reaction based entirely upon the picture....

wow.

Now, let me take you to one of my other Realities and show you Babylon, a Worldship exactly five times the size of Jupiter.

OOC: Uh, the pic at the beginning is out-of-date. Its no longer based on the Magog Worldship, but is based on the Drakh Mothership (which is within the size range for an SSD).

I know that this is out of topic and I apologize... but.

IT IS SPELLED MAGIC. NOT MAGICK. MAGIC, M-A-G-I-C. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. IT'S THE SAME BLOODY WORD BUT THE K MAKES IT STUPID. AGGGGH, IT IS PRETENTIOUS I I I I I I I I I I I AM AT A LOSS FOR WORDS. STOP USING MAGICK, IT'S STUPID, LIKE... STUPID THINGS. AGGGH, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF SOMETHING WITTY, CURSE YOU!!!

Oh and I agree with the previous statements, it's the standard SQ. As such, let it go SQ. You're just going to look dumb.

OOC: Where did I say I'm using the resources of the ill-fated SSQ or SQ? I said I'm using resources diverted from SQ2032 for Phobos's side. I'm more interested in keeping the story going than anything.

SSQ may be gone, but Phobos and his Dark Empire still live.

And you can't use 'em.

I know that this is out of topic and I apologize... but.

IT IS SPELLED MAGIC. NOT MAGICK. MAGIC, M-A-G-I-C. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. IT'S THE SAME BLOODY WORD BUT THE K MAKES IT STUPID. AGGGGH, IT IS PRETENTIOUS I I I I I I I I I I I AM AT A LOSS FOR WORDS. STOP USING MAGICK, IT'S STUPID, LIKE... STUPID THINGS. AGGGH, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF SOMETHING WITTY, CURSE YOU!!!

Oh and I agree with the previous statements, it's the standard SQ. As such, let it go SQ. You're just going to look dumb.
OOC: First off, I wasn't the one to come up with the magick and magic difference. That honor goes to the guys behind the White Tower. You would have to ask one of them for a more detailed explanation on why the 'k' is there.

Secondly, to do what you ask means dropping the storyline I've worked so hard on getting down. So what if SSQ and SQ are gone, SQ2032 and SQDSV, both members of the SQ nation family, are still here. Just because I can't post as SQ or SSQ again, for the time being, it doesn't mean I have to just drop the characters, tech, and storyline, and start from scratch.

Hell, even Ri-an is reusing characters from his former nations and integrating the story of the world of Ri-an into that of his former incarnations of Warhaven and Kajeenith (IIRC, those were his two old accounts). I don't see you getting after him for that.

Just because I no longer have SQ and SSQ to use for population judgements or individual budgets, it doesn't mean I can't continue to use my old characters, tech, and storyline.

@Chrono: IIRC, the guy behind the nation you have in your sig as being wrongfully deleted came back and continued his old nation's story, but set in the future of his old nation's time line.

And you can't use 'em.
OOC: Care to show me where it says that in the rules?

OOC: As one of the members of the white tower, let me clear up the Magic versus Magick, the honor of this goes to Kaymiril, most feared Magick user in all of NS.

Magic is fake. Its all sleight of hand, smoke and mirros and things like that.

Magick is real. Its using energy to disrupt and control nature, such as throwing a bolt of lightning at at SQ to make him jump. It can do many things and really has no clearly defined rules.

OOC: As one of the members of the white tower, let me clear up the Magic versus Magick, the honor of this goes to Kaymiril, most feared Magick user in all of NS.

Magic is fake. Its all sleight of hand, smoke and mirros and things like that.

Magick is real. Its using energy to disrupt and control nature, such as throwing a bolt of lightning at at SQ to make him jump. It can do many things and really has no clearly defined rules.

It is still annoying and I think it's a waste of a perfectly good letter.

But this thread is about SQ, so I'll drop it.

OOC: Care to show me where it says that in the rules?

It's called RP ettiquete.

It's called RP ettiquete.
OOC: Care to explain how it qualifies as that?
@Ri-an: IMHO, what I'm doing with RPing using old characters from nations no longer in existance is very similar to what you are doing yourself (ex: the holy paladine(sp?) (forgot his name) on his Alicorn, Warhaven, and Kajeenith, just to name a few of the top of my head).

It's called RP ettiquete.

Indeed. In the event that a nation should rather suddenly find itself DEATed for whatever reason, with some minor secondary nation as its only recourse for staying around, it is generally polite to ask for permission from others, whether in the form of a poll or some such, to utilize the roleplaying assets of the skidmarked nation.

Even in such conditions, however, it remains that the nation potentially taking over the mantle is still required to use the resources available only to that nation, and not the one that was lost. In essence, if you want to use the stuff your old nation had, you'd better hope we think its as important as you do.

Otherwise its best to just start over and hope to learn from previous mistakes.

You should RP there being some sorta massive cataclysm that annihilated your other nations, and all this one could salvage were some survivors (Characters you want to keep) and databanks (technology you want to keep). Makes more sense to me that way anyhow.

And yeah... throwing a -k in front of magic just makes you look pretentious.

OOC: Care to explain how it qualifies as that?

Not being a n00b, not citing other n00bs as viable sources of information, not creating n00b wanking weapons of death, not using non-existant puppets to further your own goals to be 'teh mst uberz 1337' kiddy about, not having everything you make be some kind of uber plot device of doom. Common sense.

Simple things like that.

Balderdash.

I created Honest Wario Inc, and had it run by Lord Maa N'tk.. or was it Kishesh, i don't know or care, the point is, i let Honest Wario Inc die and now RP those characters in my main nation, and i can do that why ? Because theyre mine and there's more than enough slack in my population.

With the deletion of his nations it is SeaQuests duty to at the soonest conveniant oppurtunity RP an explanation for the population drops resulting if he wishes to divide his remaining nation in three or four peices. Now because he's coming from an established background that gives his nation a leg up meaning that he could build more than a new nation of comprable size.

However SeaQuest, i would take this opportunity to reassess what you have been doing with your nation, and preferable chose another tack.

OOC: Care to explain how it qualifies as that?
@Ri-an: IMHO, what I'm doing with RPing using old characters from nations no longer in existance is very similar to what you are doing yourself (ex: the holy paladine(sp?) (forgot his name) on his Alicorn, Warhaven, and Kajeenith, just to name a few of the top of my head).

I wasn't deleted by mods either, I simply faded away. Though yes it is the same thing in a ense, using characters from nations that no longer are. Rahegalhoff, the great holy Paladin, Starfire, his Alicorn, constant companion, and only truely trustworthy friend. Kajeenith, the God of the Infinite nothing beyond Reality. Warfare and Arianna have not actually been used yet, though i hope to eventualy show off their new combined form, Warana, the near perfect entity, and the only one capable of The Omniflare.

However, I simply disregard etiquette and formal rules. I prefere to think outside the box, besides, there is one unfinished task on NS that keeps nagging at me, NO ONE has ever completly destroyed Kajeenith. Slowly, but surely, I will work it to the point where someone does though.

What your doing is roughly the same thing.

But I cannot bear to simply let my characters age, I care for them to much. however I also thought up a new cast of characters, and use the old ones sparingly, with the only exception being the Infinite Realities, and Kajeenith, which by the way I did not intend for your plot to become centered around Kajeenith, thats just the way it developed.

Joranhor']You should RP there being some sorta massive cataclysm that annihilated your other nations, and all this one could salvage were some survivors (Characters you want to keep) and databanks (technology you want to keep). Makes more sense to me that way anyhow.

OOC: IIRC, there was that Shivan vs SQ thing. I'll finish up the RPs I'm in (as the other RPers there seem to be willing to accept my use of the characters I'd been using) and then stop posting for a while so I can work out additional backstory that would have SQ and SQDSV merging to make SQ2032 and SSQ taking over what was once SQDSV. How's that idea?

And yeah... throwing a -k in front of magic just makes you look pretentious.
OOC: That may be, but I don't care. TBH, I don't even know what 'pretentious' means.

OOC: IIRC, there was that Shivan vs SQ thing. I'll finish up the RPs I'm in (as the other RPers there seem to be willing to accept my use of the characters I'd been using) and then stop posting for a while so I can work out additional backstory that would have SQ and SQDSV merging to make SQ2032 and SSQ taking over what was once SQDSV. How's that idea?


OOC: That may be, but I don't care. TBH, I don't even know what 'pretentious' means.
OOC: That actually sounds like a good idea. If you need any help from me, such as that meeting between Kajeenith and the Abyss to fuel some sort of a an extreme threat from SSQ to force those two to merge, then let me know. Or, anything else that happens to pop into your mind, that was just the first thing that popped into mine.

OOC: First off, I wasn't the one to come up with the magick and magic difference. That honor goes to the guys behind the White Tower. You would have to ask one of them for a more detailed explanation on why the 'k' is there.

Secondly, to do what you ask means dropping the storyline I've worked so hard on getting down. So what if SSQ and SQ are gone, SQ2032 and SQDSV, both members of the SQ nation family, are still here. Just because I can't post as SQ or SSQ again, for the time being, it doesn't mean I have to just drop the characters, tech, and storyline, and start from scratch.

Hell, even Ri-an is reusing characters from his former nations and integrating the story of the world of Ri-an into that of his former incarnations of Warhaven and Kajeenith (IIRC, those were his two old accounts). I don't see you getting after him for that.

Just because I no longer have SQ and SSQ to use for population judgements or individual budgets, it doesn't mean I can't continue to use my old characters, tech, and storyline.

@Chrono: IIRC, the guy behind the nation you have in your sig as being wrongfully deleted came back and continued his old nation's story, but set in the future of his old nation's time line.

Because a guy who RPed solely as GODS is the kind of person you want to reference as support for your argument...

Because a guy who RPed solely as GODS is the kind of person you want to reference as support for your argument...
We're all on diffrent courses of change and evolution in our lives. While I still do prefere Gods over regular mortal characters, I am changing and evolving, and trying to work on my less then divine characters.

OOC: IIRC, there was that Shivan vs SQ thing. I'll finish up the RPs I'm in (as the other RPers there seem to be willing to accept my use of the characters I'd been using) and then stop posting for a while so I can work out additional backstory that would have SQ and SQDSV merging to make SQ2032 and SSQ taking over what was once SQDSV. How's that idea?

Er, not a good idea; those nations are gone dude, they cannot just merge together; you'd have 3 billion in 2032 and about the same in DSV, which is well, wanky.


OOC: That may be, but I don't care. TBH, I don't even know what 'pretentious' means.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pretentious&x=0&y=0

OOC: That actually sounds like a good idea. If you need any help from me, such as that meeting between Kajeenith and the Abyss to fuel some sort of a an extreme threat from SSQ to force those two to merge, then let me know. Or, anything else that happens to pop into your mind, that was just the first thing that popped into mine.
OOC: A'right, I'll keep that card in mind if I need it. Though, TBH, IIRC, the state SQ was in IC'ly prior to its loss, the Shivan's may have been enough to force SQ and SSQDSV to come back together as one nation again, SQ2032. But, however, this allowed Phobos and what was left of the Dark Empire of SSQ (due to an undecided backstory event) took over what SQDSV left behind (namely the account name).

Joranhor']Er, not a good idea; those nations are gone dude, they cannot just merge together; you'd have 3 billion in 2032 and about the same in DSV, which is well, wanky.



http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pretentious&x=0&y=0

OOC: First, thanks for the link.

Second, I never said anything about combining SSQDSV's pop and budget with an estimate based on recollected data of SQ's. Using the Shivan vs SQ thread and extrapolating from it, I'm combining what's left of SQ with SQDSV to get SQ2032's pop and budget. SSQ, weakned due an as yet undecided backstory event, takes over SQDSV's assets (meaning the Dark Empire's pop and budget are listed as what the SQDSV account's is).

Ah, well in that case it is not a bad idea I believe, and btw, I am somewhat unable due to my work for the speech and debate team, but you and I both seem to owe Mythrandir a post or two.

OOC: First off, I wasn't the one to come up with the magick and magic difference. That honor goes to the guys behind the White Tower. You would have to ask one of them for a more detailed explanation on why the 'k' is there.The spelling is usually attributedto the (in)famous occultist Alistair Crowley.Wikipedia has an article on it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick).

Crowley (the name rhymes with "holy"*) may not have invented the term, however; it is in wide use throughout the Hermitical Order of the Golden Dawn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn) and (or so I'm led to believe, anyway) has been for quite some time. It suspect that Crowley, a member of the Order, probably got it from there.

*Crowley penned a bit of doggerel based on this:"My name is Alistair Crowley,
I dabble in things unholy."

The big difference is when your nation goes away from inactivity you can request their revival. When it goes away from Moderator activity, you loose everything as a result of the actions they took.

OOC: Course if you ignore our advice and carry on with this rash course, I'd be perfectly happy to take credit for wiping Shadow Seaquest off the map. We don't like competition, even competition with little promise, especially competition that thinks its our superior :D

Oh and I hope you intend to finish Belle Terre. The Khornate in me hungers for combat. As for Crowley, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". Gotta love Thelemic doctrine, I'm sure thats went into Remiel at some point, him being all things unholy and unfathomable :D

OOC: Course if you ignore our advice and carry on with this rash course, I'd be perfectly happy to take credit for wiping Shadow Seaquest off the map. We don't like competition, even competition with little promise, especially competition that thinks its our superior :D

OOC: SSQ never thought of itself as better than Chronosia, IC'ly OR OOC'ly. Just want to make sure you knew that, dude.

As for ignoring your advice, I find that people posting here on this topic are presenting a mixed bag of views. Some support just continuing posting IC'ly using the original backstory, some support the idea of starting anew, others support RPing as if a catastrophy took out the old and creating the new from the survivors, et cetera.

Oh and I hope you intend to finish Belle Terre. The Khornate in me hungers for combat. As for Crowley, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". Gotta love Thelemic doctrine, I'm sure thats went into Remiel at some point, him being all things unholy and unfathomable :D

OOC: Waiting for TFU for that. Kind of hard to finish his battle without him.

OOC: You could still post in it. And we seemed to get the impression that you help yourself higher than the aspects of Chaos to which my dear Emperor aspires too. No shame in that, so long as you realise that you will never be the better of the Imperium.

Regardless, if you do continue on this course, I'd still like to have some hand in the downfall of either. It'd allow me to craft some truly masterful scenes...

"My name is Alistair Crowley,
I dabble in things unholy."
Well, with a really strong accent, it could still rhyme with sow... ;)

OOC: You could still post in it. And we seemed to get the impression that you help yourself higher than the aspects of Chaos to which my dear Emperor aspires too. No shame in that, so long as you realise that you will never be the better of the Imperium.

OOC: You dealt IC'ly with Cedric. He's a little biased in his opinion. However, Phobos KNOWS that Chaos and the Shadows are facets of the same gemstone and are most likely equals.

As for the thread, its dead. I can't post without getting TFU's response to my last. Frankly, it died a long time ago. Resurrecting(sp?) it wasn't, IMHO, done early enough as my tech had long since changed and I couldn't find my stuff on my HDD regarding the stuff I was using IC'ly at the time.

Regardless, if you do continue on this course, I'd still like to have some hand in the downfall of either. It'd allow me to craft some truly masterful scenes...

OOC: Problem is, I was planning on putting in the backstory and not doing an IC thread for it. Though, if you wish, I can put you down as part of the reason the old SQ/SSQ is gone IC'ly.

Well, with a really strong accent, it could still rhyme with sow... ;)
OOC: Uh, a'right. Though, I have no idea why you posted that in this thread.

OOC: You dealt IC'ly with Cedric. He's a little biased in his opinion. However, Phobos KNOWS that Chaos and the Shadows are facets of the same gemstone and are most likely equals.

As for the thread, its dead. I can't post without getting TFU's response to my last. Frankly, it died a long time ago. Resurrecting(sp?) it wasn't, IMHO, done early enough as my tech had long since changed and I couldn't find my stuff on my HDD regarding the stuff I was using IC'ly at the time.



OOC: Problem is, I was planning on putting in the backstory and not doing an IC thread for it. Though, if you wish, I can put you down as part of the reason the old SQ/SSQ is gone IC'ly.


Fluid time, it was still going on. Plus I was waiting for TFU to post and wrestling uninspiration. REGARDLESS, it should be finished. Because I put alot into it.

And honestly, you can't really compare you and me in terms of "Equals"

You also need to post as Jarvon

Fluid time, it was still going on. Plus I was waiting for TFU to post and wrestling uninspiration. REGARDLESS, it should be finished. Because I put alot into it.

OOC: IIRC, Fluid Time is used to:
A.) Let two threads involving the same characters go one at the same time;
B.) Speed things up in an individual thread;
C.) RP things as happening earlier so you can RP as having done something at the same time as someone else with valid backing.

And honestly, you can't really compare you and me in terms of "Equals"

OOC: I said it was IC. OOC, I acknowledge you have more experience and are potentially the better RPer of the two of us.

You also need to post as Jarvon

OOC: That thread died as well. As an ST MU based nation, Jarvon was getting ribbed IC'ly by everyone who views incorrectly that ST tech is weak.

OOC: IIRC, Fluid Time is used to:
A.) Let two threads involving the same characters go one at the same time;
B.) Speed things up in an individual thread;
C.) RP things as happening earlier so you can RP as having done something at the same time as someone else with valid backing.



OOC: I said it was IC. OOC, I acknowledge you have more experience and are potentially the better RPer of the two of us.

In this case its fluid time as in being events that have happened in the past, yet not yet fully finished and so not entirely correlated with the potential future. As a result, it exists in its own little pocket hell of temporal dislogic till we finish it, and fit it, like a jigsaw piece into causality.

And I was talking ICly, but honestly...Any comparison of our two nations, players, styles, etc, etc, are best left as a contrast as opposed to a correlation.

It's hardly an unreasonable assumption. You said yourself, ST is built for exploration, not war. And frankly you were trying to graft on too much nicked tech and stolen backstory.

Those were my only concerns.

Of course, compliance would have swiftly fallen on those unwilling to offer fealty to the true Master of Mankind :D

In this case its fluid time as in being events that have happened in the past, yet not yet fully finished and so not entirely correlated with the potential future. As a result, it exists in its own little pocket hell of temporal dislogic till we finish it, and fit it, like a jigsaw piece into causality.

And I was talking ICly, but honestly...Any comparison of our two nations, players, styles, etc, etc, are best left as a contrast as opposed to a correlation.
OOC: SQ is dead, Belle Terre is no more, the thread died. Do you honestly think a nation that is banned and deleted even cares about a world that was destroyed when its sun died of old age all that IC time ago (its in the backstory edits I'm working on for SQ2032)? OOC'ly, I still say the thread is dead.

It's hardly an unreasonable assumption. You said yourself, ST is built for exploration, not war. And frankly you were trying to graft on too much nicked tech and stolen backstory.

OOC: No, I've said, and will continue to say, the ST canon stories were mostly about exploration. They had all series about it. Only DS9 actually explored a war arc to any depth (not sure if I would qualify, yet, any Enterprise arcs as war related).

Those were my only concerns.

Of course, compliance would have swiftly fallen on those unwilling to offer fealty to the true Master of Mankind

OOC: SSQ would have argued that man is his own master.

OOC: SQ is dead, Belle Terre is no more, the thread died. Do you honestly think a nation that is banned and deleted even cares about a world that was destroyed when its sun died of old age all that IC time ago (its in the backstory edits I'm working on for SQ2032)? OOC'ly, I still say the thread is dead.



OOC: No, I've said, and will continue to say, the ST canon stories were mostly about exploration. They had all series about it. Only DS9 actually explored a war arc to any depth (not sure if I would qualify, yet, any Enterprise arcs as war related).



OOC: SSQ would have argued that man is his own master.

OOC: Ahem. You have no right to say the Sun died and the World died with it, thats Cluster territory. I find it far more pleasing to surmise that the Seaquestrian fools were destroyed at Belle Terre and driven from what remained of their colonies, and the Cluster made safe again.

The Federation could never handle itself in a war of the scale that the Galactic Empire or the Imperium of Man could inflict. They have no adequate ground troops, and have weaker ships when compared to what other canons could field. Thus making it weaker than other, established, entirely warlike Canons.

I was talking about Jarvon. They were a wayward branch of humanity, lost to Xeno propaganda and taint. They would have been purified, and the Iterators would have opened their eyes to the true philosophy of the Imperium. Her goals, her arguments, her ways. Mankind would have been welcomed back into the fold. For inevitably all must come, unified, before the Black Throne.

Man cannot be his own master. He requires guidance, tutelage.

All territories within the Cluster belong to the Founder and are regulated by the Cluster Police. Destroying any property by anyone that do not belong to those two groups constitutes Godmoddery because you would be declairing other peoples losses (in this case, your ex-landlords star, planet, and the entire system).

There is no need to bring this up again.

All territories within the Cluster belong to the Founder and are regulated by the Cluster Police. Destroying any property by anyone that do not belong to those two groups constitutes Godmoddery because you would be declairing other peoples losses (in this case, your ex-landlords star, planet, and the entire system).

There is no need to bring this up again.
OOC: You misunderstand. I didn't say it was a weapon that did it, but old age. Even in RL every star has a set life span before it runs out of fuel and can't sustain itself. Its a simple natural cycle that's been happening far much longer than any life on Earth, so who are we to deny what is only nature's way?

I used it as a reference to indicate how far foward into my IC timeline I'm going.