NationStates Jolt Archive

I've already had this idea a whole while ago, an RP about WW2 with NSnations instead of the RL ones.
This type of RP allows for people to use their own nation and style instead of using an RL one (it often ends in dicussions about whether something was historically possible)

One of the things that bothers me most is that someone begins a WW2 RP and adds 'I claim Germany', the next few people take the remaining superpowers of that are and the rest will have to go with the minor powers. This RP eliminates that completely, all you would have to do is claim a territory. The rest you create yourself.

This means that you could claim a central African territory and decide to make it a communist state with Chinese people as citizens, its no problem.(I cant deny that i'd like to create a 3rd Reich style nation, doesnt matter where in the world it is)
I do wish to use RL resources, to make internation relations necessary to make sure ones industry can function properly.

All the rest, like population size, is yet to be decided. Though I would rather not work with RL population sizes as places like China would be to popular.

So far we have these territories claimed
Canada - [NS]Reallydrunk (Ostia)
Land Mass 100 miles east of Japan - Hok-Tu (Kirisubo)
Old Turkish Empire(1914) - Vollmeria
Kenya, part of Tanzania, part of Ethiopia - Imperial Aaronia
Iceland, Norway - Kamasha
France - [NS]Delesa
Central europe - Caronicilia
Switzerland - Arcadeos
Holland - New Ausha
Italian Alps - Valley of the Giant
Egypt - Toopoxia
Italy - Voxio
Great Brittain - Antigr
NZ, Japan, Indonesia and all other Pacific islands - Angermanland
US, Cuba, Mexico - Brydog
Russia - The Dominion of Sweden
N&S Korea, Manchuria - Pyschotika
Poland - Moorington
Caucasus, Iran - Julikstan
Map of all claims (http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9716/nsww2xh0.png)

Factbooks
Hok-tu (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11422395#post11422395)
Vollmeria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11436013&posted=1#post11436013)
Valley of the Giant (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493654)
Angermanland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11471381#post11471381)
Brydog (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11471135#post11471135)
Antigr (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494456)
Kamasha (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494550)
The Dominion of Sweden (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11495499#post11495499)
Moorington (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11515363#post11515363)

Sure i like the idia but whats the tech level.

WW2 as it is stated in the Title. I havent decided on an exact date yet. Possibly the year 1940.

Alright im in may Sochatopia be located on the island of great brittion and ireland.

No problem, Offcourse we'll need a map but that can wait until we have a few more people in the RP and A decision is taken on population sizes.

As for tech, i'd like to keep it simple, what was in service in 1940 can be in service here, what was in experimental phase in 1940, will be experimental here(single prototype deployments or tests are always possible, they wont have much effect upon the outcome of a battle)

For population i say we just divide our actual population by 10.

Its fine by me, but realize that I'd still be a rather large nation.

And I think I'm going to create my nation in the Balkan-Turkye area, or maybe the old Turkish empire.

how about you take the old ottoman empierer area.

I could do that, question is, what year? 1914? because to further you go in time, the bigger it gets. Bah lets just stick to 1914 Turkish Empire. Though my nation will be inhabited by North Europeans.

Now, A fact book like thread will be required, It should have some info on government and history so that others get to know your nation. Not required right away, but it will be necessary eventually. The factbook could also be used for trading and diplomatic relations while I could link those factbook here in one central post.

As far as writing goes, I'm not a novelwriter but I can do an RP. I dont expect people to write long and perfect stories, yet I dont want to see oneline posts. I am no spellingNazi, anyone can make typos, but try to avoid making to many, its makes reading 'unpleasant'.

Canada please, i might decide to play

You can be whatever you like. Like I said, I want to create a 3rd Reich style nation, just not in Germany itself.

i'm interested.

my main nation is the Empire of Kirisubo but due to account difficulties i'm using this puppet to post with.

you'd need to add a japan sized (and shaped) land mass about 100 miles east of japan to represent Kirisubo.

like its imperial neighbour they have a divine Emperor but stayed neutral in the great war, the empire not having fought a war since 1450 AD.

Kirisubo is similar to Japan in language and customs but they retained the Samurai class. the empire has a very strong defence force and would prefer to remain neutral.

most of their military hardware would come from Japan as well. tanks would probally be based on the best european models of the time (panzer 3 and 4).

I see what you mean, .....soo..basicly the player decides which equipment his military uses..troop types, tactics...

Hok-Tu, You are welcome to join, creating extra land mass should not be a problem

ReallyDrunk: Yes, the tech should be limited to what existed in 1940. A tank should not have anything bigger than a 75mm for instance. Same goes for tactics and troop types.
For those who dont want to create weaponry, they could always use what was in existence IRL in 1940.

Sooo Weapons/Armor/Troop types are not restricted to any 1 player?..like ..some one could use the 8 Ton SD KFZ 7 troop tractor? and some one else could also use a German made..lets say.. SD KFZ 234? Armored car..

Just an example...

Basicly, yes. There were many nations that used the same equipment in the real WW2. I dont want to limit it to one specific nation, that could have a monopoly on one specific weapon and decide who gets it and who doesnt (like the T-34).
Maybe people should use what fits best with their nation, but that is just a suggestion.

I see, sounds good to me..

I think a bump would be in place here

I'll sign up
Zwein reich auf Caronicilia
Central europe

Good,
I'm gonna start on a factbook for this Rp as soon as I have a bit of time and then its time to think about making a map, eventhough I do not possess any good programs to do it with.

Can I be a Nazi regime placed on top of Iceland?

That's a cool idea... the whole Nationstates WWII thing... I'll apply for somewhere...

Yes, all are welcome to join.

I'll give everyone his claimed territory in the first post, add factbooks for those who have them and then this thing can really start

This thing needs to be bumped back to the top, sunk away to far.
I'm currently working on my factbook, adding some history and as long as my PC doesnt quit on me, it may go fast. And then there is work, but i'm nearly on vacation, then I'll have plenty of time to keep this RP going, Cause I really want to do this

hell i take france!!

i've finished most of the Kirisubo fact book so ill post that up.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11422395#post11422395

All rightm for now, put me down as The Swahili speaking states, (Kenya, part of Tanzania, part of Eithiopia).

You could just call it the U.S.S (United Swahili STates)

Sorry, that should Be just Kenya and dircet border lands.

Ooh! Ooh! I want to claim the territory of Switzerland!

Could I keep my Drow theme (Non-Human)? We' hire out as mercenaries or something, positioned inside the Alps.

This RP will be set in 1940, so are you sure you want to play as mercenaries rather than a nation? If you want to then its fine, though I'd like something more precise than 'the alps', Could you select a nation or a more specific region please.

And give me/us some info on your Drow theme?

Check my factbook, it's got info on the Drow.

And I'd probably take the Swiss Alps.

would the US be isolationist or imperialist?

its a chance to play out a different scenario. Kirisubo is based on Imperial Japan but we're a neutral nation unlike our close neighbour :)

would the US be isolationist or imperialist?

its a chance to play out a different scenario. Kirisubo is based on Imperial Japan but we're a neutral nation unlike our close neighbour :)

My US is a version of America with the British winning the War of Independence. The first President was Benedict Arnold. And I am going for Isolationism and Neutrality, for now.

regarding Anglo-america's population and military forces we're using 10% of our NS population for the RP and 5% of the nations budget for the armed forces.

once you calculate what those are you'll be set to go :)

regarding Anglo-america's population and military forces we're using 10% of our NS population for the RP and 5% of the nations budget for the armed forces.

once you calculate what those are you'll be set to go :)

How do I calculate those? Also, this is not going to be my offical WWII history for my nation.

I have to pull out of this, sorry.

Could I have say, the area of Holland? If not, perhaps czechoslavakia? Austria?

request granted, you have Holland

Also I've posted the beginning of what will be my factbook. It'll be updated regularly, and is open to all diplomatic relations between myself and the other nations in this world.

Um...Am I accepted?

Check my factbook, it's got info on the Drow.

And I'd probably take the Swiss Alps.

Switzerland was already taken by someone, so I cant give you that.

As for your people, I see the factbook mentions such things as wizards. I would prefer to keep this a realistic RP without magic. Also opinions from other participants are welcome, if they say its ok, then so will I

No wizards 'n shit. But their other qualities and abilities, like infravision, sensitivity to the light, long life expectancy, and heightened agaility, are those OK?

And I'll change my request to the Italian Alps.

Italian alps are ok
And unless others object, I guess you can participate with your dark elves

I too favour Imperailsm and so is born the KiSwahili Empire! yay me!

Now all we need is a good map or even a good mapmaker

I would like to claim Egypt, cause it matches my nations map perfectly, oh and what is the stance on WMD, mostly chemical warfare in these times but still....

Reallydrunk, could you give me Baffin Island? It's exactly what my nation is based off. Please, let me have it. :(

Toops, if really want WMD's theres mustard and nerve gas from the great war. just make sure your population has gas masks before you use it.

the fact that the atom could be spilt was only a recent discovery in 1940 and if anyones got a head start its the boffins in Germany :)

Toops, if really want WMD's theres mustard and nerve gas from the great war. just make sure your population has gas masks before you use it.

the fact that the atom could be spilt was only a recent discovery in 1940 and if anyones got a head start its the boffins in Germany :)

or Chlorine, that way my dudes would only need wet socks, but then so would all the other guys, meh, I'm happy either way though I would like for once to use the principle form of warfare that I created my nation for.

I could make a map.

The nation of Ostia will be taking part in this when it gets off the ground...

I've got a factbook now.
IN MY SIG!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I would like to claim Egypt, cause it matches my nations map perfectly, oh and what is the stance on WMD, mostly chemical warfare in these times but still....

Gas is what was available at this point, Some nations were experimenting with biological and nuclear weaponry, but until that was really ready and available, it remains purely experimental.
While the Germans were the first to experiment with it, they never really got to making a useable bomb. One of the German scientists, Dr Harteck, not no further than a small reactor, which, if they wanted to use it as a weapon, had to be dropped as a whole. And its just too big to fit in an aircraft.

The nation of Ostia will be taking part in this when it gets off the ground...
I'm working on my factbook, it'll go faster in the next few days as I have more time to do it. But before I start talking to others ICly I'd like to see some more Factbvooks so that I know who I'm dealing with ICly. It'll also give me an idea of who is active and who is not, as I expect individual players to sign up and forget(as I've always known RPs to go)
But the RP can start right now.

I've got a factbook now.
IN MY SIG!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Added to the list

I would like to claim Egypt, cause it matches my nations map perfectly, oh and what is the stance on WMD, mostly chemical warfare in these times but still....

As soon as you are ready I'd like to start this RP with a diplomatic meeting between our leaders to discuss the border between our nations.
Maybe I can invite more leaders and offer some weaponry for sale.

can i join?

i love these types of threads

When are we gonna get started?

As soon as you are ready I'd like to start this RP with a diplomatic meeting between our leaders to discuss the border between our nations.
Maybe I can invite more leaders and offer some weaponry for sale.

fill me in on the details and I'll do it.

I would like to join as the rest of Italy.

[edit: I should probably choose some more land as I'd have like 217,100,000 people.]
Now all we need is a good map or even a good mapmaker
I'm usually pretty good at map making and I'd probably make my own personal map anyways.

ok,can i normandy please?(pleasepleaseplease)

fill me in on the details and I'll do it.

Your leaders comes to Damascus or my leader comes to your capital and we discuss the border, I'm offcourse interested about the Suez canal.
In the meantime or after we've had our talks we get other people to join, have some more talks, see some weaponry and buy/sell whatever we can. I'll use my factbook thread for the meeting if necessary, as soon as you know where to hold our talks

I would like to join as the rest of Italy.

[edit: I should probably choose some more land as I'd have like 217,100,000 people.]

I'm usually pretty good at map making and I'd probably make my own personal map anyways.
If you could make a good map, that would be excellent.

Your leaders comes to Damascus or my leader comes to your capital and we discuss the border, I'm offcourse interested about the Suez canal.
In the meantime or after we've had our talks we get other people to join, have some more talks, see some weaponry and buy/sell whatever we can. I'll use my factbook thread for the meeting if necessary, as soon as you know where to hold our talks

Well I really meant was is my border in contention with your own? I'm guessing not, so the choice is Damascus or Volitaia(Cairo) hmmm, well it wouldn't be an inconvenience for my guys to travel to Damascus, and you are the one who opened this meeting so I guess Damascus it is.

hey,am i been ignored?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!

when is the map ready?

guys im sorry for this but i cant be on ns as much as i like so i have to drop out Great brittion is up for the taking.

i take Great britain,normandy is open(or is it already taken?)

i'm interested. links to actual threads where stuff is happening would be a good thing.


humm.. i'd like to have.... pretty much everything in the pacific currently unclaimed by someone else.

i do not want any continants..

this means NZ, i think japan? and all the random little places :)

from hawaii to somewhere in indonisia, it think...

unless someone objects...

hehe. some of you guys remember my nation from past tech and revolutionary, do you not?

Antigr, you wrent ignored, I just altered your claim, sorry If I didnt say so

Angerman has been added to, right now, nothings happeneing but I'm going to start with a meeting between me and Toopoxia

very good, very good... humm.. perhaps i'll set up some sort of fact book.

a map of exactly what that clame gives me would be nice. or a list so i can check the atlas.

hehe. the Angerman Empire will be very much focused on battleships and marines, military wise, i think.

i'm not sure if a direct conversion of my nationstates nation is.. really very good though :S i'll investigate it.

and then i'll set up a fact book :D

err, currently my budget is 4,250 billion gold crosses [per year?] apparantly. that's 850 billion US$. adjusted for inflation [what the heck rate would that be?] it's probibly still in the rellm of over 400 billion US$

thats... kinda a lot

and then my entire population for my nation/empire is 116,200,000

which is... rather pathetic...

told you this didn't look right *laughs* reasonable adjustments, please?

For Toopoxia I've got this
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11470478#post11470478
But others are welcome too, no invitations required, consider it sent if you think you wanted to be there.


Angerman, I'd have a population of more than 700 million, so we definitly need to make some adjustments. I'd be more than happy with less(it'd be realistic atleast), I have yet to add my population to my factbook
But I havent really made any calculations.

Hey, whoever is on the Axis side, please remember what I put in my factbook ;)

I like to take The US, Cuba, and Mexico if possible.

added, welcome to the RP

I don't know I may be intrested. I mean it looks like all positions are filled, and personally I would like to be the one everyone looks at with suspicion. Becuase I'm a Japanese based nation, some would wonder if I would help the Axis. Of course I would likely help the allies. I like that idea, sort of the nation nobody trusts, but has the very ideals the allies are fighting for. It looks like it's a NS world style, as opposed to total RL, but I don't know.

Kirisubo are neighbours with Japan yet they're staying neutral.

having a neutral nation opens the door to spying, clandestine meetings and things like that which are also a part of war.

I'm actually a Post-WWII nation, that resulted from fleeing refugees from Japan and Europe. So If you don't mind I may jump in at random points during and/or after the conflict

This is NS reallydrunk, right now Jolts acting screwy so i cannot use my main...

I am still interested in this thread but some times i am unable to log in so it could leave me inactive for a day or so here and there...

I've made a map (http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9716/nsww2xh0.png).

Enjoy, victi-fellow players.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11471381#post11471381

my fact book as it stands. check it out, tell me if there's anything wrong with it.

hehe. the map's not detailed enough to show all the random little pacific islands, is it?

suffice to say, i'm ment to have them...

*ponders* i wonder what history lost me my australian and african holdings, and how i ended up haveing was [in my other RPs] Terror Incognitia and Kirisubo :D

it's not really relivant, just working out the continuum for my nation :)

Hey, good to see you Angerman..it's been awhile...Reallydrunk here

heh. i noticed. you won't be seeing Terror for a while though.

so sad. he might have liked this. he and i had all sorts of interesting debates about the modle my fleets in this are based on.

one of the few things he's looked at, and then gone "you know, i just don't know if that'd work or not? we'd have to try it out" ... most of my plans he can spot the flaws or good points in and help me fix :D

sadly, it needs modern tech to be truely effectve, but *shrugs* hey, mabey we'll have more direct contact this time :D

If nationstates continues to work for me, im having a bit of trouble yeah...

Im currently working on a factbook,

I was talking to Terror through Msn, it is a shitty situation as is mine im afraid..

Good to see you again,

I've made a map (http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9716/nsww2xh0.png).

Enjoy, victi-fellow players.

nice map :)

i've also worked out how i'll start off. a experimental flight of a jet fighter since Kirisubo is always looking to develop new means of defending itself.

Obviously such an event will be noteworthy and should attract some attention to the Empire.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494295

I don't know I may be intrested. I mean it looks like all positions are filled, and personally I would like to be the one everyone looks at with suspicion. Becuase I'm a Japanese based nation, some would wonder if I would help the Axis. Of course I would likely help the allies. I like that idea, sort of the nation nobody trusts, but has the very ideals the allies are fighting for. It looks like it's a NS world style, as opposed to total RL, but I don't know.

As i've said before, If you want to be based in China but still have Japanese citizens, thats perfectly possible. If you really want Japan though, you'll have to ask the owner(Angermanland?)


Kirisubo, Having experimental jetfighters is ok, the Italians had an experimental aircraft back in 1937 or so. But i'd like to keep it small scale or experimental. If you decide to accept them as fighters, then only in small numbers.
If this RP should move on to 1941 and further, at this rate we'd have F-16 in 1945 and thats not what I had in mind. In 1940, there were still many nations with biplanes as main fightercraft.

i'd rather not give up japan, if possible. basicly, for my plans to work i need japan and NZ, and a solid corridor between them. when you realise how utterly resorce poor the bulk of my territory is, [well, it has farmland, and coal... heh.] at least for modern/war era needs, i can even less aford to give it up.

i'v got no objections to having neighbours though :D

heh. i don't think many of those bi-planes were still used by anyone successful. . . 'cept mabey the swordfish...

Hey Kiri, why not claim the island to the north of Japan which is claimed by Russia, I've forgotten the name but it seems to suit your request.

i'd rather not give up japan, if possible. basicly, for my plans to work i need japan and NZ, and a solid corridor between them. when you realise how utterly resorce poor the bulk of my territory is, [well, it has farmland, and coal... heh.] at least for modern/war era needs, i can even less aford to give it up.

i'v got no objections to having neighbours though :D

heh. i don't think many of those bi-planes were still used by anyone successful. . . 'cept mabey the swordfish...

Noprob, You've got Japan and you decide what happens to it(until someone takes it from you :) )


The monoplanes started making their appearance in the mid-thirties and most modern nations had them, but there were still many nations that had to do with biplanes (Italy, the USSR to name a few) even Germany's divebombers were largely suplemented by HS123 biplanes.

interestingly, the british could have built jet fighters at the start of the war, or near it. one of their scientists had worked out the engines, just the military didn't take him seriously. hehe.

you're right about the bi planes, i think, though i belive they tried to replace them as soon as possible, no?

oh, and if anyone's taken a look at my fact book [linked a few posts back] i'd apreciate some input. errr, here, if it's out of charicter...

I've only checked part of your factbook and navy isnt exactly my area of expertise.


The Italians already had a jetaircraft in 1940, the Caproni-Campini N1, though at 375kmh it was to slow to be used as a fighterjet. But I'd like to keep the rules simple, If a prototype existed, then you can have a prototype, if it was in active duty, then you can put it in active duty. Its the best and simplest way to keep technological advancements and discussions under control.

there's a lot more in there than just the navey stuff... though i get the impression that my ships' weights of fire are all of one way or the other.

good plan with the technologie rule, though.

heh. without referance material [i currently don't have any] i'm no expert on this era at all, really, at least not in the specifics and details.

The fortress ships; 'a full third of it's compliment are marines' How much is that?

A 12inch gun on a boat the size of a PTboat is quite big, thats about 300mm. knowing the Germans had a similar gun(355mm) and the lighest(shrapnel) projectile for that thing weighed 525kg

A four barreled 150mm AA system for army use? Could you scale that down a serious bit? Germany's AA guns were the largest fo that time and they only had a singlebarreled 105mm in use by 1940. the heavier 128mm did not see service until 1941 and was produced for static use only. A Sonderhanger 220 existed to transport the gun but it was only used for the defence of the homeland as it was considered to heavy for use by field units. The Germans tried to develop a 150mm gun but it never got past prototype stage.(though there was an improved 128mm Flak45 by 1945)

i never specified the size of the crews, because i never worked it out, because... i don't know how big the ship would phisicaly have to be to fit the stuff, nor how many crew would be needed, nor howmany would fit.

yeah, so many details i lack. suffice to say there's a lot of guys on the ships who have nothing to do with sailing them.

the gun on the PT boat is axial. no turret or anything... it would be different, but i can't remember what the worth while sizes for guns are appart from 12 and 8. at any rate, the thing basicly takes the length of the boat. not sure about the exact specs, but the over all design apparantly works. i never did take into account the weight of the ammo though. that's a good point :S

and once again, i was makeing guesses at the numbers *laughs* like i said, i really can't remember specific details like that. i probibly miscalculated horribly. i was remembering a german gun that had four barrels and was used in both AA and AT roles. i don't remember the exact year for it, nor the size of the guns. it's basicly ment to be that. i belive the guns were much smaller, yes. though their shells had a very high velocity? meh *shrugs*

i knew there'd be problems with those aspects, honestly. what i'm looking for are viable equivilants...

suggestions are welcome. i should probbily put in that those army 'all comers' guns are mounted on the deck of a truck... and they are designed for AT and AP as well, so comparisons to anti tank and anti personal weapons of the time would be nice.


what surprises me most is the lack of objection to my 'not quite railway guns' hehe. then again, similar things did exist, so maybe not so surpriseing.

lack of details +modern tech ideas +ww1 and/or just prior ideas + atempts to make it fit into ww2 = lots of glitches :S

my ignorance is showing. *laughs* once the bugs are ironed out though, i am better at RP than i am at weapons crafting :)

You asked for input, Maybe If you read it again and start doing research I might find some others things to comment on, but as I said, I've only checked part of it and i'm not exactly a naval expert.

A huge gun, not carried over a railway could exist, but you'd have to break it down into 20 parts or so and you'd still require a train to move it. Setting it up would take considerable time, so much time that its only useful in a siege and even then, the siege might be over by the time you get the thing out there.

heh. yeah, the land version is kinda dubious.

the ones on the ships, however... don't need rails :)

humm. investigation time, i think.. maybe wiki? [i hate trying to find things on the internet :( ]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11471135#post11471135
My factbook

well, i've certainly discovered that my navel guns are all over the show.

the fortress ship's lower rank of turrets should be 15 inch, and the escorts should realy have 6 inch guns... the fighter boats should have 8 inch [yeup, it's still big. ment to be]

i'll make actual corrections shortly, i'm just checking here to make sure it's not still screwy.

it would also appear that the "all comers" guns should be .. umm.. about 75 mm... not however big i made them :S

http://www.answers.com/topic/m-belwagen << the quad version of this [or something similar] may well be what i'm thinking of with the four guns.

and it's smaller still. yeup, i really screwed up...

i'll make those fixes now.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11471135#post11471135
My factbook

added, though I must note that, according to you factbook you're nation does not exist yet

1957 BC, 1957 years before 0 AD, rp is in 1940 AD

there we go, those fixes [and one or two others, including makeing the HellzDemonix sane... errr... well, saner than before] have been implimented.

sometimes one gets lucky with an internet search :)

i suspect if i get into operations on the continant i'll be feeling the hurt due to lack of armor, but *shrugs*

ok sorry I missed that

it will take a couple of years until the Kirisuban jet is in full production since the technology is so new and problems with the engines will still need to be ironed out.

they may be a squadron or two by 1941 although.

the piston engined Tenchi will still be the primary kirisuban fighter although.

if you're after big guns although you could check for 'anzio annie' or 'big bertha'.

the Germans loved their oversized artillery pieces :)

Hey! I gotta basic factbook on antigr military stuff

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494456

Can you add this in vollmeria?

hehe. check out the Base Carriers. a full Angerman fleet includes several of them. a group of them is essentually a floating railway gun Battery. very good for leveling costal fortifications and so on before landing troops. or wipeing out entire citys. take your pick :D

and i belive the french built massive railway guns too.

the problem with guns that big is that you can't rifle them. an atempt was made, i belive. you had to put spiral ribs on the amunition to guid it in the groves on the gun, rather than putting ribs in the gun and leaveing the ammo smooth, and even then every shot increased the diamiter of the bore.

so the guns had a limited number of uses, had to have different sized shells fired in the correct sequence. [loading them in the wrong order [as occasionaly happend] could jam and/or explode the gun.]

i'm not sure if it's true or not, but apparantly the biggest one could actually put it's first or second shell into low orbit if you aimed it right :S

anyway, some interesting information there.

the Base Carriers have smooth bore main guns :)

edit: those railway guns actually had a smaller calaber than some of the navel guns in use at the time :S weird. though they are MUCH longer.

The 80cm 'Gustav' in Action
The largest gun ever built had an operational career of 13 days, during which a total of 48 shells were fired in anger. It took 25 trainloads of equipment, 2000 men and up to six weeks to assemble. It seem unlikely that such a weapon will ever be seen again.
from:
http://www.aopt91.dsl.pipex.com/railgun/Content/Railwayguns/German/Dora%20index.htm

Didnt read the article(I already knew the gun) but those 13 days, that was during the siege of Sevastopol.

Hey! I gotta basic factbook on antigr military stuff

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494456

Can you add this in vollmeria?

Added, But i'd like to keep the maximum calibre on tanks at 75mm.
88mm and 130mm are a bit too large for a 1940 tank, there were only three nations that possessed 75mm tankguns: Germany, France and Russia and they werent upgunned until 1943.

and i tweak my thing once more as i discover more issues.

what's up with the whole budget/population thing, btw?

and i tweak my thing once more as i discover more issues.

what's up with the whole budget/population thing, btw?

No idea, I'm guessing most nations have a decent industry and economy. How do you calculate a budget in such situation?

As for population, I'd like to know what others think, because I still think using 10% of my population (some 750 million)is a bit over it. Maybe I could use half of that, it would still be alot although it would still be alot.

i have trouble even figureing what was realistic for the era.

i'm not sure if my 10 percent was rediculously high given my territory, or rediculously low :( certainly it doesn't look Right.

realistic for that era?
A Hawker Hurricane MkI cost 30-35000 dollar, an Italian CR42 cost 25000.
I've tried to figure out what a nation should have as budget with this but:
a) You cant compare today with WW2 as the situation is completely different
b) Every nation probably has a strong industry so you cant really say how much a territory/nation can produce

errr.. i was thinking more of population than money.. heh.

i don't really bother with the money. it's much easyer to work out "yeah, i've got that much of that thing, that much of that.. this many people over here...

so i can probilby manage ... this"

bizarely, it's easyer to calculate that way :confused:

especially considerin that, when at war in a big way, most nations centralised control of most production and raw materials, rendering actual cashflow and budget... barely relivant. sometimes it worked, sometimes it worked for the military and screwed the citizens, sometimes it didnt' work at all.. i don't Think the USA did it, but most nations, as far as i remember, did this to some extent.

not to mention... have you seen how insane my nation's structure is? *head shakey* it works more in terms of resorces and capacity than cash and prices, at the end of the day.

first: BTW population. I think that we should use the population of the nation that we have chosen. The one they have today not the one they had in 1940. That makes the whole RP more realistic and fun. My population of 50 million can never fight Angermanlands population of 1.174 billion. It would be unrealistic if Angermanland did not conquer my nation within a week :(

Second: Can i ad Norway to my kingdom?

first: BTW population. I think that we should use the population of the nation that we have chosen. The one they have today not the one they had in 1940. That makes the whole RP more realistic and fun. My population of 50 million can never fight Angermanlands population of 1.174 billion. It would be unrealistic if Angermanland did not conquer my nation within a week :(

Second: Can i ad Norway to my kingdom?


umm, we already chopped the population down to 5 or 10 % of our NS nation's actual numbers.

which, admitedly, gives you...err... 5 million to my.. umm... whoa, my population went up something crazy didn't it? 100... million... which is still insane, but not AS insane.

what was the soviet/german/japanese/british/america population discrepancy's like at the time, not to mention the minor nations?

but the real life numbers dont' quite work either.. for one thing the borders in this don't line up with the rl ones. :confused:

first: BTW population. I think that we should use the population of the nation that we have chosen. The one they have today not the one they had in 1940. That makes the whole RP more realistic and fun. My population of 50 million can never fight Angermanlands population of 1.174 billion. It would be unrealistic if Angermanland did not conquer my nation within a week :(

Second: Can i ad Norway to my kingdom?

-Yes, I'll give you Norway
-No, I'm not using RL populations, people with claims on China and India(each a higher population than all of Europe) would be too strong.

Though you shouldnt take 10% of your population, in your case I'm willing to overlook that and give you a bigger population.

at 5% population i still have 50 million...

is that sane or not? <<[completly clueless]

Ok If you are going to play with a 760 million population I need a population of at least 100 million. And I'll split it so that i have a population of 50million in Iceland and 50 million in Norway.

umm..... minor fact: New Zealand only has 4 million people NOW.

iceland is smaller.

britain has lots. it also has london and had that massive great empire.

the entire planet has what... less than 2 billion inhabitants?

750 million is insane. it's the very reason that no one is getting china or india's population [umm, not to mention, not even china has that many people IRL NOW, i belive.]

so... yeah, 100 mill is pushing it for the BIG nations, i suspect... or not, but it's still not "small nation" material. useing the 5% thing my empire comes out as 50 mill. you're trying to jam taht many people into ICELAND?

yeash...

he he lol OK I get it :) I was compering to Vollmeria. he will have a 760 million population using the 10% rule. How many people do you think I can jam into Iceland and Norway then?

BTW The planet has like 6 billion inhabitants ;)

China has more than 1 billion currently. And India is second at 800 million.

I've already agreed that my own population of 750 million would be to much, I'm willing to atleast cut in in half to 300-350, though thats still alot.

ok, so my numbers were off.

somehow, i suspect the world as of ww2 didn't have 6 billion, however, given the whole exponetual growth thingy....

the point still stands. if alllmsot the entire pacific has only 50 to 100 million inhabitants... in an empire that started roughly the same time as the romans and only shifted around rather then declineing, even if it did grow slower...

i doubt random little nations in europe are going to be bigger than it...

ok just tell me how big a population you will give me. So that I can finish my factbook :D

and her it is :D =

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11482972#post11482972

originally posted by vollmeria

Added, But i'd like to keep the maximum calibre on tanks at 75mm.
88mm and 130mm are a bit too large for a 1940 tank, there were only three nations that possessed 75mm tankguns: Germany, France and Russia and they werent upgunned until 1943.

As i said in my factbook,i'm making a few things up on the spot,and using german names a bit.And remember,i said the 130mm and 88mm armed tanks were extremely rare.The Panzer IV Ausf. C (130mm) is used much for the same role as the KV-II,bunker demolition and such,And the original IV (88mm) is intended only for heavy fire support.

I based the IV and IV Ausf. C on the tiger I and tiger II respectively,but as i said already,they are both extremely rare,so it should make it OK

hey,vollmeria!on the map of all claims,antigr only has england,when it should have ireland and scotland too.it says so in my factbook

I didnt make the map Voxio, did. So if the claim is wrong, you should ask him to change it.

But as far as the tanks go, I must enforce the rules.
The first Tigers were (prematurely) fielded in August 1942 near Mga(Leningrad area) by 1/502 company, the four testvehicles involved were all lost.
The first active debut of the (productionmodel)Tigers was in 1943, at Kursk. The allies saw the first Tigers in Tebourba, Tunesia in December that year.
I'm afraid I cant allow those vehicles (yet).

we need to start geting something going here...

perhaps chose some people to be the main catalyst/antagonist nations?

or get some diplomacy going to form up alliances...

or.. well.. Something?

Well, once the war starts, the Axis powers will likely try to purge my nation's exsistance, as they blame us for the loss of WW1. We wouldn't be an easy target, though.

Well, once the war starts, the Axis powers will likely try to purge my nation's exsistance, as they blame us for the loss of WW1. We wouldn't be an easy target, though.


yeah, see, that "once the war starts" bit is what i was getting at, really :)

Eh, yeah. I know ><

OOC I notice Russia's not on the map. Why?

Well, once the war starts, the Axis powers will likely try to purge my nation's exsistance, as they blame us for the loss of WW1. We wouldn't be an easy target, though.

Thought the Italians was allies with the germans during WW2?
lol :)

Komyunizumu']OOC I notice Russia's not on the map. Why?


first: this whole thread is ooc.

as for the map... i dunno. did anyone Clame russia? that might explaine it.

Thought the Italians was allies with the germans during WW2?
lol :)
They were.

of course, history has no meaning in an NS world :)

That's true.

so.. any thoughts on what could actually bring about this war?

my empire came about by way of slow creap rather than rapid expansion, and mostly not by force of arms so much as... assimilation...

anyone feel like getting explansionist, or doing something really really evil... or something?

edit:

because if we can agree on that, we can set up all the build up and stuff more easily...

I can start relations with the Allied powers, which will tick off the Axis.

which is great, except, you know, the Axis, and the Allies, and the Comintern [the russians weren't technicly part of the allies]

umm..... how shall i put this....

Don't Exist.

the major catalysts of ww2 just arn't there..

heck, was there a ww1?

my nation has ancient and colonial history [patchy in places, but it's there] and that's it. large gap up untill this point..

*Cleans ear*
I'm presuming that there was a WWI.

that can turn out to be a problem :(

hehe. my point was that we need to sort this stuff so we can actually get moveing.

let us assume there is a ww1 and at least two major ... alliances? powers? sides? whatever. call it three if you want, cos the soviets could have gone either way and may well have formed a third side if the germans hadn't declared war on them..

how'd the first one end [with who in what situation] and who's on what side Now?

things like this need sorting out :)

Let's all presume that there was a WWI to make this easier.

i belive i just said that as a quantifyer [or some such] for the largest paragraph in my post :)

of course, that could be a timeing thing

That it was.

Okay, let's officalize who was on what side in WWI first.

-Central-
Valley of the Giant

-Allied-

Hey! I am interested and though up this idea for a nation the other day and wonder if it would be acceptable-

Founded after the general chaotic period following WWI, France, looking for a more lasting affect than some silly bills that could easily be made to be valueless [which Germany did do by making the Mark valueless] and "guidlines" about Germany's armed forces [or lack of them] even though no real organization had, will be, or could be made to oversee the everlasting de-militerization, a state of East Prussia, Kalingrad area and Eastern Bradenburg*, with the Danzig Corridor thrown in made this somewhat independent state to at least keep an successful outpost of British-French interests, especially when you consider Poland thrown in also.

With the Prussian populance somewhat backward in the east and industrialization in the west this state has succedded in making itself follow Britain somewhat by dropping the Mark when it dropped and accepting the Pound. Loosly associated with Poland and Denamark, who it gets the vast majority of it's foodstuffs from, it (this is debatable) has recently begun modernization with the help of Germany and enjoys a defensive treaty [along the lines]that Poland enjoys from Britain.

Moorington's main focus isn't as much on Hitler's obvious dislike for Prussians as much it is on communism. Talks are underway for Moorington to be a good center for German mobilization [classified] before the war starts and will allow German troops through their borders freely.


So really like a nation caught up in the power struggle of Europe, somewhat backwards it only has the main port of Danzig with enough piers to export it's western industrial goods. So it usually must find a good equilibrium with Germany for exportation through out her in and also to Britain to not sink her little navy and essential mercant ships.


Regardless I would actually like to play something, this seems like a great RP idea and even if I can't get Bradenburg in the end I will hope that at least I will maybe be able to accept another little piece like Bornholm or somesuch.

*Debatable I know

originally posted by vollmeria
But as far as the tanks go, I must enforce the rules.
The first Tigers were (prematurely) fielded in August 1942 near Mga(Leningrad area) by 1/502 company, the four testvehicles involved were all lost.
The first active debut of the (productionmodel)Tigers was in 1943, at Kursk. The allies saw the first Tigers in Tebourba, Tunesia in December that year.
I'm afraid I cant allow those vehicles (yet).

I'm going to completely change my factbook.I will be using german weapons,WWII era.Although please can i make a few modifications?

ok, i have no idea why, but i had trouble keeping that straight in my head :S

humm. i suspect in ww1 my guys would have stayed very neutral. probbily selling food and assorted other non military stuff to both sides and generaly being... switzerland. hehe. not much else.. they were already big. the last thing they needed to do was get involved and lose their empire, no?

so, i'm thinking i'd end up on the defensive "allied" side this time around.

unless there was significant gain to be made... it would take a lot of IC diplomacy to convince my nation to take the role of the aggressor.

he he anyway lets first find out who wants to be Nazi/Fascist and who want to be with the allies and who want to be without any alliances at all. Maybe we should just start the RP completely without alliances and make alliances as we go.

The second thing is that I wish that all nations should post there goals. for example my (Norway-Iceland)s goal will be to conquer scotland, Denmark and all the islands toward the north pole in order to create a strong North-European empire.

I'm going to completely change my factbook.I will be using german weapons,WWII era.Although please can i make a few modifications?


so far as i can tell, just about anything's legit so long as someone had it, or had the capacity to do it, at the time.

as evidanced by my fortress ships [though that may partially be due to the Behemoths on which they were based. revolutionary era trimaran rocket battery battleships for the win :) ... i knew i was forgetting something. my guys probibly still have some old rockets laying around...]

I suggest somebody invades somebody else.then decide who's side you're gonna be on.this will automatically make alliances.who agrees?

he he anyway lets first find out who wants to be Nazi/Fascist and who want to be with the allies and who want to be without any alliances at all. Maybe we should just start the RP completely without alliances and make alliances as we go.

The second thing is that I wish that all nations should post there goals. for example my (Norway-Iceland)s goal will be to conquer scotland, Denmark and all the islands toward the north pole in order to create a strong North-European empire.


that right there? very smart move.

my guys are all about secure supply lines and basicly keeping what they've got....

which isn't to say they won't take new stuff if the opertunity arises to do it... quietly. you know, some small nation decides it's current place in the world sucks and it'd like to join the empire... or something.

the only minor sticking point in the whole situation is that small collection of islands belonging to someone else over in the north there :P

but, they're as inclined to stay home an be neutral as we are, so, we leave them alone [for now... hehehe...]

thing is... my nation follows the old british method of colonizeing places... start businesses, get citizens in there, trade, build up... blah blah blah.. something goes wrong, send in the troops to protect the citizens of the empire... sometimes the best way to do That is to annex the territory. sometimes.

soo, yeah. likely causes of war...

I suggest somebody invades somebody else.then decide who's side you're gonna be on.this will automatically make alliances.who agrees?


that works.

heh. you can start a pacific war from either the old world or the new if you want navel stuff and lots of infantry

or a land war in europe/asia for aircraft and armor fun :)

[of course, all things in all places, but hey]

Anyway I think we need to hear what volveria things. after all its his RP

humm. i Suppose that's a point.. mabey :P

personaly, i just want to get on with it sometime ..err... before everyone loses interest.

Umm- cough? Des anyone see any problems with my ideal nation?

umm.. that'd be the one i was haveing trouble keeping track of. if only due to place names.. whack up a map or something so i actually know what you're talking about *laughs*

not to mention, the only "anyone" who matters on that issue hasn't ... said anything since, what, yesterday?

should we steal the whole RP, start and give it back if he still wants it?

what, you mean we weren't already doing that? :D :rolleyes:

he was kinda clear about one or two things though.. sort of. tech level stuff, mostly.

The Empire of Kirisubo's aims at this time are simple. peacefull expansion on the islands east of their homeland since the west is taken by Angermanland.

The Empire has always been worried about being invaded and has always had a bigger neighbour on its doorstep.

Midway and Guam will be a first step and they want to maintain their neutrality as well.

in the great war they were neutral as well as were able to act as bankers and 3rd party traders for the pacific combatants.

thats why they're able to afford this military build and able to maintain their defence forces.

cool hok-to

Ok Angermanland will you have the hounor of starting the thread?

umm.. that'd be the one i was haveing trouble keeping track of. if only due to place names.. whack up a map or something so i actually know what you're talking about *laughs*

not to mention, the only "anyone" who matters on that issue hasn't ... said anything since, what, yesterday?


Well I have no real "map". I may get one by tomorrow but the nation itself I had only worked out some of the more simpler details. If any ofyou like to get maps done please do, I am pretty sad at any map making.

The general landscape is just get a map of East Prussia, include Danzig and incorporate all the territory leading up to Kalingrad and then go all the way west slightly past Berlin and connect sea, Rostock, Berlin, Dresden, and then Czech border for the part of Bradenburg I invision (just not Berlin itself).

Going south it will probabaly not even include anyhting past a Olsztyn-Torun-Pozan-Dresden line and the western border defined by modern day Polish border.

i would love to play, anyway to contact you?

i would love to take russian lands

Some of the goals arn't something so cliche as world domination or unified Europe. It is just pretty much try to stop communist agression [i.e. USSR] and convince Germany that it would be better to have us alive than part of the Greater German Reich with a slight tendency to increase African holdings by a means of "Dollor Diplomacy" [notice "European" spellin].

Yes we need someone to take the Russians anyway you need to talk to ether Angermanland or Vollmeria

you could have your own spin on Mother Russia. you don't even need to to be Czarist or communist here since its your own NS nation.

A muslim mother russia would be cool :)

hah!

Hey, I would like both Koreas and Manchuria if that is at all possible.

As my name will be the, Allied states of the Democratic Socialists, and i want to take Russia, i'll start work on a fact book, if Leader of the RP could message me on AIM at : HanddesSchatten that'd be great.

The Empire of Kirisubo's aims at this time are simple. peacefull expansion on the islands east of their homeland since the west is taken by Angermanland.

The Empire has always been worried about being invaded and has always had a bigger neighbour on its doorstep.

Midway and Guam will be a first step and they want to maintain their neutrality as well.

in the great war they were neutral as well as were able to act as bankers and 3rd party traders for the pacific combatants.

thats why they're able to afford this military build and able to maintain their defence forces.


umm, the map isn't detailed enough to show it but... i kinda clamed "every pacific island that is not currently clamed by anyone"

which basicly means... have fun in russia and china and so on :D

edit: or invading north america. i alwasy get what actually is east and west of what mixed up when i go to type it.

oh yeah. australia's empty.

tell you what, i have no objections to either [any?] of those proposed nations, so long as no nations over lap to start with [i mean claimeing each other and so on makes for good wars, but we need to know what you actually HAVE, you know?]

i'd rather not actually start this untill we have a map that shows where everyone is.. i get mixed up trying to keep track of all this stuff.

i mean, i know where danzig is and roughly where checzlovacia was and... that's kinda it :S

i'd have to look in an atlas just to keep track of everything I control right now...

hummm. any preferances to what the equivilant of poland would be? the thing that finaly kicks it all off?

oh, incidently, i SUCK at starting things like this. i always need some sort of jumping off point to really get going...

mabey some diplomacy? i'll tell you something that workes Reasonably well though:

use each nation's factbook thread when dealing with events in their nation [and/or surrounding area of influence] with major wars and so on getting seperate threads. nice and tidy.

Hey all, sorry to hijack the thread or throw it off topic, but I thought you all might be intersetted in this site: http://nseurope1943.s2.bizhat.com/index.php?mforum=nseurope1943 . It's almost exactly the same as this, I just created it on a board. If you need anything, I'm Hosagovinia over there. We d have a name policy over there though,m it has to sound real. Anyways, back to your daily programming. :)

Moorington, I welcome you to the RP, though you should know that there is no USSR or Germany was we know it from the RL world. Unless the players who claimed these lands will actually play as Germany and the USSR.

The Dominion of Sweden, your Russia claim has been accepted
I've never ever even used AIM, so messaging you will be a problem.
Pyschotika, your claim of Korea and Manchuria will be added right away.


I will repeat the simple tech rule for Antigr and anyone who forgot it or doesnt know it yet: anything that was in service at that time is acceptable, anything that was in experimental phase will only be acceptable in experimentable phase.
Why? because its the simplest way to keep tech in check without discussions about what was possible and what was not.

Since you are always active, Angermanland, I bombard you to 'co-leader' of this RP, I didnt think being away for a few hours would get the RP hijacked.

As for myself, I was on the side of the central powers in WW1 and a nationalist prussian state such as mine will most likely be on the evil side again. Though I still have some work on my nations military and I plan to do a couple of small invasions too. But if you want to start the war now, go ahead.

I have a sort of idea. Why not make Poland Communist? Then that'll lead way to Germany invading them due to the rival between Fascism and Communism. I'd even want to be Poland. Is that okay?

Moorington, I welcome you to the RP, though you should know that there is no USSR or Germany was we know it from the RL world. Unless the players who claimed these lands will actually play as Germany and the USSR.

The Dominion of Sweden, your Russia claim has been accepted
I've never ever even used AIM, so messaging you will be a problem.
Pyschotika, your claim of Korea and Manchuria will be added right away.


I will repeat the simple tech rule for Antigr and anyone who forgot it or doesnt know it yet: anything that was in service at that time is acceptable, anything that was in experimental phase will only be acceptable in experimentable phase.
Why? because its the simplest way to keep tech in check without discussions about what was possible and what was not.

Since you are always active, Angermanland, I bombard you to 'co-leader' of this RP, I didnt think being away for a few hours would get the RP hijacked.

As for myself, I was on the side of the central powers in WW1 and a nationalist prussian state such as mine will most likely be on the evil side again. Though I still have some work on my nations military and I plan to do a couple of small invasions too. But if you want to start the war now, go ahead.


hehe. yeah, sorry. i got board at the wrong moment when there were people on. it's not so much that i'm "allways active" as that i have no life :) and don't sleep at night very often...

anyway, promotions are nice. however you want to get the RP started is good... i just want to get it Moving. i've had at least one RP die because it took too long to set up, you know?

umm... what does your tech thing say about my fortress ships then? ... or my base carriers for that matter? neither are exactly... umm... normal. i mean, i'm reasonably sure no one built trimaran battle ships with a square main deck, and certianly, while there were PT boats in the pacific.. i don't think anyone made carrier ships for them :( or can i get away with it by way of having no armor and jack all in the way of aircraft? *:p

Komyunizumu']I have a sort of idea. Why not make Poland Communist? Then that'll lead way to Germany invading them due to the rival between Fascism and Communism. I'd even want to be Poland. Is that okay?


was it actually fascism and communism not meshing... or was it that various nations/leaders saw communism as a threat [especially how it came about in russia] and the non-democratic nations were the ones most at risk of a violent revolution rather than peacful transition, and thus decided it was a menace?

just curious, really...

I'm sure it was Fascism's rivalry with Communism. When Hitler began to gain power, he ordered the SS to raid the Communist Worker's Front meetings. Considering that Communism hadn't spread much further than Russia at that time, I don't think many nations saw it as a threat.

hehe. yeah, sorry. i got board at the wrong moment when there were people on. it's not so much that i'm "allways active" as that i have no life :) and don't sleep at night very often...

anyway, promotions are nice. however you want to get the RP started is good... i just want to get it Moving. i've had at least one RP die because it took too long to set up, you know?

umm... what does your tech thing say about my fortress ships then? ... or my base carriers for that matter? neither are exactly... umm... normal. i mean, i'm reasonably sure no one built trimaran battle ships with a square main deck, and certianly, while there were PT boats in the pacific.. i don't think anyone made carrier ships for them :( or can i get away with it by way of having no armor and jack all in the way of aircraft? *:p

Ok, if thats what you want, your fortress ships and base carriers have been declared 'impossible for this time', replace them please


-Communist had been seen as a threat since it emerged in 1917, not only because the allies lost an ally during the revolution, the communist idea threatened their own states, especially britain wasnt too fond of communists.
the USSR soon became a pariah in the world(allied troops helped out tsarist reactionaries and mensheviks in the civil war in 1921).
Its because of that pariah position in the world that the USSR allowed the Germans to have the Kazan testing grounds, send officers to military academy in Moscow as well as the signing of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.

Yeah, I think its important that we find a place to host the RP sooner than later. Preferably within the next few hours so we can set up the RP and everyone can get names for their countries (i.e. mine is the Allied States of the Dominion of Russia) and then work on fact books. For population, try and base it on land size, along with you NS nation's population divided by 10.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11495499#post11495499
decent factbook i hope. contact me.

the dominion of Russia is well placed sharing a european border and a pacific coastline.

east of them theres Angermanland and Kirisubo so maybe contact could be made in the pacific with a Kirisuban imperial fleet.

Im thinking of sending some subs to defend shipping routes in SE Asia from pirates and if needed to defend Brydog assets in Asia.

since the pacific is Brydog's back yard that makes sense.

Kirisubo is also their closest pacific neighbours as well so they bound to have contact of some nature.

how about a diplomacy thread with a NAP?

So, the Altantic is my frontyard. Im also deploying subs in Altantic because I don't trust Iceland-Norway.

Ok, if thats what you want, your fortress ships and base carriers have been declared 'impossible for this time', replace them please


-Communist had been seen as a threat since it emerged in 1917, not only because the allies lost an ally during the revolution, the communist idea threatened their own states, especially britain wasnt too fond of communists.
the USSR soon became a pariah in the world(allied troops helped out tsarist reactionaries and mensheviks in the civil war in 1921).
Its because of that pariah position in the world that the USSR allowed the Germans to have the Kazan testing grounds, send officers to military academy in Moscow as well as the signing of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.


err, i wasn't trying to convince you to say 'no'... just trying to avoid it becomeing an issue in the middle of something :( drat. now i have to rework them :p

edit: i mean, they were perfectly Possible. all the tech and everything was there. just... no one Did it.

since the pacific is Brydog's back yard that makes sense.

Kirisubo is also their closest pacific neighbours as well so they bound to have contact of some nature.

how about a diplomacy thread with a NAP?

feh, forget it being his back yard... it's my HOUSE :P

hhehehe.

Hey guys, I won't be active much until Monday. I work the weekend, yay.

Yeah, I think its important that we find a place to host the RP sooner than later. Preferably within the next few hours so we can set up the RP and everyone can get names for their countries (i.e. mine is the Allied States of the Dominion of Russia) and then work on fact books. For population, try and base it on land size, along with you NS nation's population divided by 10.


you know what's a good place to host an RP? ...

Nationstates :p

you know, given the number of persudo-constitutional monarchy style empires we seem to have going on...

i don't think the whole communist/facist thing is quite the biggest conflict causer in this reality.

just a thought.

Hey guys, I won't be active much until Monday. I work the weekend, yay.

No problem! Everyone has a life besides NS, I didnt RP from day one either.

Though in a week or so, I am going to check who has been active since they signed up and then, I might remove some people from the list. those who signed up but were never heard of again should be worried.

Considering that Russia isn't a Communist state in this, may I be Poland?

Komyunizumu']Considering that Russia isn't a Communist state in this, may I be Poland?


meh. i don't see why not if no one else has claimed it...

hehe... ahh, the joys of alternate history.

Well now that I am in I will happily have a factbook up hopefully tomorrow. Before I go off though I might as well discuss some interesting changes of the political landscape:

Well if Russia is going to be Islamist or somesuch I will easily then be against radical Islamist states. If Germany for some reason decides not to go fascist then it still wouldn't change the fact that Germany could still give a good pounding and eventually overwhelm my poor state, especially with all the vital industries close to the German border.

For a good start off it would be interesting for this time France and Britain to do something for Czechslovakia this time around, so by the time WWII fully starts Poland will hopefully still be somewhat there and a good thread will be about Britain and France trying to get Poland fortified after declaring war when Germany finally subjugates the Czechs.

Sounds like this is gonna turn out to a great RP :D

I just want the damn war to start ><

Well now that I am in I will happily have a factbook up hopefully tomorrow. Before I go off though I might as well discuss some interesting changes of the political landscape:

Well if Russia is going to be Islamist or somesuch I will easily then be against radical Islamist states. If Germany for some reason decides not to go fascist then it still wouldn't change the fact that Germany could still give a good pounding and eventually overwhelm my poor state, especially with all the vital industries close to the German border.

For a good start off it would be interesting for this time France and Britain to do something for Czechslovakia this time around, so by the time WWII fully starts Poland will hopefully still be somewhat there and a good thread will be about Britain and France trying to get Poland fortified after declaring war when Germany finally subjugates the Czechs.


realiseing, as you do, that a good, what, half of those nations don't actually exist? [at least as such]

I just want the damn war to start ><


you and me both. i just need to work out what to do about my ships *sad*

realiseing, as you do, that a good, what, half of those nations don't actually exist? [at least as such]

Well you get the point regardless, it was just an idea, didn't mean for it to be carried out in that exact manner of course.

Well you get the point regardless, it was just an idea, didn't mean for it to be carried out in that exact manner of course.

fair enough. just checking :)

the latest update in Kirisubo's factbook covers an invite to Edo for an Ambasadors from Russia and Angermanland to dicuss how the building tensions in europe will affect the pacific nation.

if the invitation is taken up it will at the Imperial palace in Edo will the Shogun and the Emperor in attendance.

.... ok, that could be interesting....

i'm assumeing that's not Edo, Japan, seing as how, you know, that's part of the Angerman Empire... *laughs*

... does your landmass actually have a seperate name from the country or is it just "kirisubo"? just out of curiosity...

humm... i'm guessing i should simply assume that a similar message was sent to me, no?

Edo was the old name of the japanese city now called Toyko. the kirisubans reused the name for their capital.

the land masses are called Shoshu, Hokkida, Kimika and Surika. Edo is in the middle of Shoshu province.

the angermanland ambassador to the Imperial court would also have got a similiar invitation

Edo was the old name of the japanese city now called Toyko. the kirisubans reused the name for their capital.

the land masses are called Shoshu, Hokkida, Kimika and Surika. Edo is in the middle of Shoshu province.

the angermanland ambassador to the Imperial court would also have got a similiar invitation


cool, cool. just checking. i like to make sure I have my facts straight, no matter how confused everyone else may or may not be :)

saves so muc hastle in the long run :S

edit: and now i have to start comeing up with charicters and backstory.

sadly, i can't just..umm.. "import" the ones from the PTRP.... humm *ponders*

May I claim the Caucaus region as well as Iran

.. i think i fixed my ships now...

sadness strikes that my useual insanity has been limited .. but oh well.

oh yeah... if anyone has a clue about things navel, please do go over them. i'm makeing most of that up as i go so i'm sure the speeds and armor, at least, are wrong. the bigger ships are ment to have a lot of armor for the time, and the smaller ones rediculously little...

May I claim the Caucaus region as well as Iran


if it's not already clamed [might want to check that] i don't see why not.

One small problem: If WWII begins after Poland is invaded, how am I going to RP as Poland? Will there be a small area of Poland still holding out? Will I control Polish guerilla terrorists? Will the war start another way?

it is not

You have been added!

Hello there neighbour

Komyunizumu']Considering that Russia isn't a Communist state in this, may I be Poland?

I'm afraid Moorington already took an option on Poland

Komyunizumu']One small problem: If WWII begins after Poland is invaded, how am I going to RP as Poland? Will there be a small area of Poland still holding out? Will I control Polish guerilla terrorists? Will the war start another way?

actually, unless you're like, the USA... polland being invaded IS the start of the second world war...

edit:

and on that note, how many times do we have to say this?:

NATION STATES.

NOT HISTORY.


... thank you.

Antigr's ready to go to war.hope everyone else is.

My whole meeting seems to have died(inactivity by some participants plays a role in that)

As for the being ready for war part, I could go to war right now but I wanted to do some more work on the 'development' of my forces(explainations of who the army works mostly)

hey,vollmeria?you know on page 7 you posted this:

The 80cm 'Gustav' in Action
The largest gun ever built had an operational career of 13 days, during which a total of 48 shells were fired in anger. It took 25 trainloads of equipment, 2000 men and up to six weeks to assemble. It seem unlikely that such a weapon will ever be seen again.
from:
http://www.aopt91.dsl.pipex.com/rail...ra%20index.htm

Didnt read the article(I already knew the gun) but those 13 days, that was during the siege of Sevastopol.

i've got a WWII strategy game called 'codename: panzers phase one'(and i've also got phase two)
and there's a mission where you play as the germans in sevastopol,you get to see the DORA cannon in a little video

just posting this 'cos nothing else is happening

Kirisubo is ready to fight if they are attacked.

Kirisubo is ready to fight if they are attacked.


is it even possible for someone to attack you without going through my territory [yeah... i count the water :D ] or over the arctic? i don't Think it is.. but... unless i end up attacking you [rediculously unlikely] i think you're pretty safeish there :)

The Dominion has long been ready for war.
and on a side note, Vollmeria am i ever going to be on the map of claims??
I think the Map of Claims should change with the wars and treaties struck by different nations so that we can see what the national boundaries are.

anyway i think its about time we move offsite to organize??

otherwise i'm going to war soon.

have we decided who is going to make the map?

I've been playing HOI2 alot and it is a decent game for ww2 strategy, so if any of you have the game make some posts and we can start a 1936 game

I've been playing HOI2 alot and it is a decent game for ww2 strategy, so if any of you have the game make some posts and we can start a 1936 game


doomsday, or just the normal one?

i've got HoI and HoI2 DD, but not HoI2.

The Dominion has long been ready for war.
and on a side note, Vollmeria am i ever going to be on the map of claims??
I think the Map of Claims should change with the wars and treaties struck by different nations so that we can see what the national boundaries are.

anyway i think its about time we move offsite to organize??

otherwise i'm going to war soon.

Voxio made that map and I havent seen him since
What do you mean by 'going offsite to organize?'

Voxio made that map and I havent seen him since
What do you mean by 'going offsite to organize?'


people seem to assume that anything good involves offsite forums.

past experiance seems to indicat that off site forums = death by any one of several methods. if it stays here, well, it either never gets of the ground, or seems to work a little better.

You know what? Someone just blow someone else's head off already!

yea I'm gona attack the UK and claim scotland as a parth of the Northen Empire

the solution is easy.

create a thread for each threatre of war right here but we still haven't a catalyst that will start the war off.

we really need an out and out agressor to kick things off in europe and then the pacific nations may well be dragged in as well.

alliances would make this happen sooner rather than later.

i for one am interested in NAP's with the DOR, Angermanland, Brydog and Ostia but i would accept an invasion attempt to kick things off.

The Dominion of Russia Declares war on the owners of Poland!
3 million troops along with 2500 tanks are on the border!
Prepare for war if you are ready!

oh dear...

this looks like it may get messy.

i could motivate my entire army,but i won't yet.not ti'll there's a lot of violence or the UK is directly threatened...


however,i'll send an expeditionary force of 500,000 men and 1000 tanks.
it will be backed up by the navy,so we can have a faster dunkirk

Bombers flies every day with massive payloads dropped on Danish defencive positions. the port to Copenhagen is blocked by Norwegian Icelandic war ships. And 750 000 troops are waiting in Bergen (west Norway) ready to be shipped to Denmark. 1 000 000 soldiers are also at stand by In the city of Vik on Iceland.

My people do what the Swiss do best: sit on their hands.

Actually I think this thread should be more for refrence and OOC conversations than any real military actions. Since I am a probable participant I could have some small reason to start the thread. But I do think Sweden (Russia) jas a better reason and should start a proper thread for the war.

Give us a link and label your opening moves and please give us the link.

umm... small question: do all participants actually understand the difference between an IC thread and an OOC thread?

i think this has sort of become a mostly ooc thread... any actual fighting should probibly take place in the apropriate fact book or in a new thread for that theater of war.

keeps things tidy.

that, or we Really need to start useing the IC/OOC tags.

also: prod whoever it is who's territory you're invadeing... at least if there is a player involved.

the logistics of transporting 1 million troops from a to b in one go is... kind of insane, actually, especially if that's only one million fighting men, rather than including all the specialists, officers, etc. and then there's their gear...

iceland is actually realy bad as a stageing point for anything other than europe vs. americas type stuff, if i remember rightly. location, weather, size, etc etc.

edit: oh yeah.. while i'm not 100 percent sure of this, a million man amphibious assult would seem to be a Major pushing of the boundrys. how many involved in the entire normandy landing? [call it from the first guy hitting the ground untill the day after they'd secured enough of a safe area to just land troops at their leasure.]

just incase you were thinking of doing that.

Actually I think this thread should be more for refrence and OOC conversations than any real military actions. Since I am a probable participant I could have some small reason to start the thread. But I do think Sweden (Russia) jas a better reason and should start a proper thread for the war.

Give us a link and label your opening moves and please give us the link.


yeup. that's what i was getting at :)

a million man amphibious assult would seem to be a Major pushing of the boundrys. how many involved in the entire normandy landing? [call it from the first guy hitting the ground untill the day after they'd secured enough of a safe area to just land troops at their leasure.

Suprisingly as it seems, if you just cut through the morass of lack, it lacks grammer, spelling, and sadly basic Englsih skills, I think you will find there is actually a golden nugget in there. Make sure you have a good explanation for all of that-

Make it organized, army, troops, divisions, general, all nine yards-

Tone it down, no way in hell is 1.000.000 men going to do anything of the sort-

Understand only 3-4000 will be able to fight in the first day, establishing a beach head and whatnot-

Then you about done, I think.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11515363#post11515363

My still in prgress Diplomacy Thread, map is somewhere in the far far away feature.

Suprisingly as it seems, if you just cut through the morass of lack, it lacks grammer, spelling, and sadly basic Englsih skills, I think you will find there is actually a golden nugget in there. Make sure you have a good explanation for all of that-

Make it organized, army, troops, divisions, general, all nine yards-

Tone it down, no way in hell is 1.000.000 men going to do anything of the sort-

Understand only 3-4000 will be able to fight in the first day, establishing a beach head and whatnot-

Then you about done, I think.

my spelling isn't great, and my grammer is often a bit odd. as a rule, however, if it gets so bad as to be unintelligable or at least actually problimatic, it's because i'm posting while half asleep, and there's not much going to be done about that.

so, you know, if you can't understand what i've said, feel free to ask or complaine or whatever. if you're just being picky, then perhaps you could, i don't know, not be? much more plesant for all concerned, and i do Try to get these things right.

[also, i failed year 11 english the first time through and barely passed it the second. i think i've improved quite a bit in the last couple of years. :p ]

edit: you know, useually when someone complaines about my grammer, and i go back and check it, i notice that i've screwed something up in a noticeable manner. looking back at my post, i really have to wonder what you're actually complaineing about? allowing for some minor issues with capitalisation, which i use for emphasis in non formal things such as ooc forum posts to compensate for lack of vocal tones, i don't See any errors. perhaps you could show me where i got it wrong?

i will start fighting as soon as i get an enemy

i will start fighting as soon as i get an enemy

hehe. or you could start fighting anyway, thus makeing one.

someone once played a game of HoI2 [a ww2 sim] in which, somehow, ww2 failed to happen. . . while that is amuseing.. it would kinda suck here..

my spelling isn't great....... i don't See any errors.......

Well, lets just get over that discussion, arguement ruins the conversation. I actually think that you are well informed, and didn't mean for anyone to take it beyond it's obviously shallow face value.

[For arguement's sake "See" doesn't need to be capitalized]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11521846#post11521846

Well, lets just get over that discussion, arguement ruins the conversation. I actually think that you are well informed, and didn't mean for anyone to take it beyond it's obviously shallow face value.

[For arguement's sake "See" doesn't need to be capitalized]

yeah.. that's me doing the emphaisis thing again, as i wasn't claiming they didn't exist, just that i could not see them :)

heh. i know a little about a lot of things.. kinda the broad picture, if you will, but not a lot about much, and i tend to forget little details, so while i can say that a million man army in iceland sounds impractical, and a million man amphibious invasion all but impossible, i can't Quite garantee it or explaine why from my own knowledge, you know?

i'm setting up defences all along the coasts of england and ireland,and defences behind those,and then defences behind those.all innland areas will have very strong AA defence.come invade me!you'll die....


batteries of 88mm,105mm,and 150mm Artillery will be covering possible landing areas.possible para-drop zones will be fortified.Tank units will be situated by the coast and at strategic strongpoints.88mm,37mm,and 20mm AA guns will be located in inland areas and by factories.mass concrete underground forts will be built,with massive canon turrets over them.(Kinda like the maginot line-actual WWII french fort systems,but ours are better!)
Machine-gun posts will be built along beaches,and cliffs will become heavily defended observation posts.my expeditionary force is in france.maybe we can make an alliance...?

the logistics of transporting 1 million troops from a to b in one go is... kind of insane, actually, especially if that's only one million fighting men, rather than including all the specialists, officers, etc. and then there's their gear...

iceland is actually realy bad as a stageing point for anything other than europe vs. americas type stuff, if i remember rightly. location, weather, size, etc etc.

edit: oh yeah.. while i'm not 100 percent sure of this, a million man amphibious assult would seem to be a Major pushing of the boundrys. how many involved in the entire normandy landing? [call it from the first guy hitting the ground untill the day after they'd secured enough of a safe area to just land troops at their leasure.]

just incase you were thinking of doing that.

Never told I'd have a 1 000 000 man amphibius attack I only sad that I hade 1 000 000 man In vik in Icland also If im going to attack danmark I need a 750 000 minimum ;)

i'm setting up defences all along the coasts of england and ireland,and defences behind those,and then defences behind those.all innland areas will have very strong AA defence.come invade me!you'll die....


batteries of 88mm,105mm,and 150mm Artillery will be covering possible landing areas.possible para-drop zones will be fortified.Tank units will be situated by the coast and at strategic strongpoints.88mm,37mm,and 20mm AA guns will be located in inland areas and by factories.mass concrete underground forts will be built,with massive canon turrets over them.(Kinda like the maginot line-actual WWII french fort systems,but ours are better!)
Machine-gun posts will be built along beaches,and cliffs will become heavily defended observation posts.my expeditionary force is in france.maybe we can make an alliance...?

Remember that it took 10 years and millions of French Francs to build the Maginot line, it was so expesive that the French infantry fought with rifles that actually belonged in a museum.

Never told I'd have a 1 000 000 man amphibius attack I only sad that I hade 1 000 000 man In vik in Icland also If im going to attack danmark I need a 750 000 minimum ;)


true, on the other hand, you didn't say you Weren't goin to either. figured i'd head it off before you got to trying.

reguarding those fortifications, Antigr, you've either just screwed yourself financially, and been prepairing for this for quite some time...

OR they consist mostly of trenches, infantry, and feild artillary... tanks like that. hehe.

look.everyone else is rather offensive.they've got big armies and loads of tanks.i'm defensive.so i've got to start somewhere.

ok,i've been saving up a long time for this,and i have a enormous budget!

*nervous laugh*

anyway,the french were crap.

cant someone just start that IC thread? Angermanland?

look,can i have the defences?

actually, all things considered, the only reason the french got trashed was stupid orders from their high ranking politicians and officers... by gear, numbers, training, doctrin, Everything else, they should have wipped germany out. ... yeah, didn't happen.

anyway, i can't logicly start a war, i kinda set myself up in a defencive stance, you know? i already HAVE my empire, among other things.

not to mention, there are several ic threads.. they just all seem to have stalled.... what happend to that russian agression in europe, for example?

as for the defenes, like i said, [and i think i was backed up on this] you can have good fortifications, sure, but you're going to take a hit somewhere to get it. what's on the other side of those fortifications, anyway?

actually.. wait.. multipul layers... total coverage of all costs of both islands?

takeing another look at that: hell no! *laughs* you can probibly get away with fortifying say, the coasts from which an invasion is likely to come [i'm guessing the south?] and mabey key points, but tripple layering the entirity of both islands is insane.

the logical defence of an island relys hevily on naval and air power anyway.

if you had the troops to man them, you might get away with a couple of layers of trench style defences the whole way around, but you'd still be seriously pushing it.

i doubt anyone would complaine if you applyed such defences as you seem to want to you rmajor citys though... hehe. 'cept the troops on the ground, anyway.