NationStates Jolt Archive

Here's a little helpfull word of advice from someone that has been rp'iing for a lot longer than his join up date implies:

Out of character arguments, especially not long winded ones, do not make for a fun rp. They just cut down on the enjoyement in it. Leave the finger pointing, and arguments, in character, where they belong.

Of course it is up to each one here if you will take that advice or not..

Jared, would you be willing to have special forces assassinate your minister of defence, head of government and/or top military commander? Preferably the head or military commander though.

My God Aeson, you know me like a book.

Jared....check your TG's.

P.S. I'm not going to post until i can finalize a few details of what i'm going to do next and catch up on some work that I need to do with my home business.

Jared, would you be willing to have special forces assassinate your minister of defence, head of government and/or top military commander? Preferably the head or military commander though.
No.

Shaz, responded.

Shaz, responded.

Shot a message back over to you.

Shaz, mind if my d00ds spot your ship?

Sure.

@Shazbotdom: your posts are so full of holes I dont even know where to start.
Have you been ignoring this ooc thread and the messages that posted the locations of everything? Have you even looked at a map of the area yet? Obviously not if you just call it a port town. That port town is also filled with my troops, not just SFs and so is the sky above it. And how can you suddenly appear near the random port town without first coming from somewhere or being picked up on any number of radars in the area?

Consider your posts completely overlooked until you get reading

I've been RPing my aircraft heading towards that area for the past 2 days. Where are there holes? It's not my fault you missed some of my posts. And it's not like i'm attacking yours or his people, i'm just checking out the area.

Plus...I'm not really in the mood to read through several pages of bickering.

Before I make any more posts. I will let West Corinthia make his posts before I do anything.

WC, you can post that TG I sent you if you really need to.

SF, if you had any problems with my tech, I would've gladly fixed my post/changed my tech. You could've come to me instead of making me look like an ass in NSDraft.

*waits til he gets approved*

SF, if you had any problems with my tech, I would've gladly fixed my post/changed my tech. You could've come to me instead of making me look like an ass in NSDraft.

*waits til he gets approved*
That wasn't my intention (which is why I didn't say who I quoted). I was just checking and if it turned out to be feasible, I would've looked like an ass for carping about it, so I just wanted some quick opinions for a carping post. My apologies for making you look like an ass, but I don't think anyone with the name Jared can look like an ass.

You've never been to Jewish camp.

By "stealth mode", the pilot of Maned whatever was referring to cut down engine power.

This reduces the sonic boom created by the breaking of the sound barrier and reduces the heat signature, therefore eliminating the "OMG SONIC BOOM SHIPS DIS WAAAY!" and the "LOLOLOLOL!!! FIAR DA HEET SINK0RS"

The ship is still able to be spotted (via radar and other technologies) and it is slowed down a good portion (from supersonic to subsonic).

Jared, would you be willing to have special forces assassinate your minister of defence, head of government and/or top military commander? Preferably the head or military commander though.

Saint F.

Would you like SFs to walk into your country and assasinate your Minister of Defense.
And don't say it can't be done... I'd see that as a bet, and you'd lose.

Moral of the story: no more IC threats in OOC.

Saint F.

Would you like SFs to walk into your country and assasinate your Minister of Defense.
And don't say it can't be done... I'd see that as a bet, and you'd lose.

Moral of the story: no more IC threats in OOC.

He even sent me a TG asking if I wanted someone in my government assasinated.

I declined.

He even sent me a TG asking if I wanted someone in my government assasinated.

I declined.

And he thinks my threats are silly IC. :p

Would be kind've hard to assassinate the same person in three positions.

Saint F.

Would you like SFs to walk into your country and assasinate your Minister of Defense.
And don't say it can't be done... I'd see that as a bet, and you'd lose.

Moral of the story: no more IC threats in OOC.
Moral of the story: I need OOC permission in order to carry out assassinations. If the other RPer is unwilling to have one carried out, I can't carry one out. Therefore by asking OOCly I can make my decision and Jared...
Ships? Don't you mean planes?

I agree with CCR. If you are going to join an already developed RP, at least make an effort to understand the situation before starting to do something.

Shaz this is for you.

Look at this.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11599130&postcount=275

Here's one.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11601832&postcount=187

Here's another.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11604724&postcount=198

Look a third.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605274&postcount=218

And another one.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11607393&postcount=239


Now I'm going to dissect certain posts regarding movements.

Space fleet? I don't think so. This is MT. Not FT. Either way, there is no direction or location indicated, just an approximate ETA.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11597324&postcount=273

Again, which exclusion zone (there are multiple) and why would SHAZBOTDOM (there is a clear emphasis on Shazbotdom. I'll let you figure out why). Again, which direction are you coming from?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11604346&postcount=309

Scene: USS Shazbot - Where is the Shazbot?
Scene: Alpha Flight Group - Where is this taking place?
Scene: Flight Group Epsilon - Still have no clue where these planes are coming from or direction they are heading.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605176&postcount=321

Scene: USS Shazbot - How can be you thirty kilometers from 'the exclusion zone' when you have not stated which one, nor have you stated your direction of approach. And I may not have said it directly, but I will now. No exclusion zone has been set up for Shazbotdom. Shazbotdom has not been included in the 'National Enemy Act'. The reason: even though you have made hostile motions, they were simply ignored because you did not a) acknowledge the OOC posts outling deployments and past events b) make any details of your location available and c) did not even state which exclusion zone.
Scene: Flight Group Alpha-Epsilon - Do I even need to repeat myself with this? You just RP'd being on top of the SF troops, avoiding the air patrols, radar, troops outside of the city, surveillance aircraft and/or naval vessels. You still haven't indicated a direction of attack so I refuse to respond.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11608969&postcount=329

If you take this as offensive fine, I did not grant permission for this dogpile nor did anyone even ask me if I was opposed to having other nations join a developed RP, which was just being finished when the GASN showed up. I did not object because I figured it would be fun to get a couple other nations involved, until a dozen jumped in. Don’t get me wrong; it could still be fun as a dogpile however if you wish it to continue you must respect what has already been RP’d.

There's my bitching done. I'll let West Corinthia settle the rest. I will say no more on the subject except I will not respond to posts unless they are accurate and recognize the previous seventeen pages in the thread prior to the involvement of the GASN members.

I call airplanes ships some time. Still, they transport you know?

And I call ships boats. Wait, I confused myself.

Anything that i post in responce to your quotes will be done tomarrow. Be paitent as tomarrow i have work earlier than normal (7am cst) and have to get up at 5:30 so i can get into town on time (lives 30 minutes outside of town on dirt roads in the country). As stated before, "BE PAITENT".

Space fleet? I don't think so. This is MT. Not FT. Either way, there is no direction or location indicated, just an approximate ETA.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11597324&postcount=273
My Space Ships are PMT (2014-2017), not FT. They can be harmed by MT weaponry, it will just take quite a bit to destroy them. The hull is polarised using magnets that repel most weapons (roughly 65% of the time) and the hull is almost 3 meters thick so it will take a few (20-25) missiles to make a hole.

Again, which exclusion zone (there are multiple) and why would SHAZBOTDOM (there is a clear emphasis on Shazbotdom. I'll let you figure out why). Again, which direction are you coming from?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11604346&postcount=309
I'll edit this to get rid of discrepencies.

Scene: USS Shazbot - Where is the Shazbot?
Scene: Alpha Flight Group - Where is this taking place?
Scene: Flight Group Epsilon - Still have no clue where these planes are coming from or direction they are heading.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605176&postcount=321
USS Shazbotd: Will Edit with diretion
Alpha Flight Group: Will Edit with direction
Epsilon Fight Group: Will Edit with direction

Scene: USS Shazbot - How can be you thirty kilometers from 'the exclusion zone' when you have not stated which one, nor have you stated your direction of approach. And I may not have said it directly, but I will now. No exclusion zone has been set up for Shazbotdom. Shazbotdom has not been included in the 'National Enemy Act'. The reason: even though you have made hostile motions, they were simply ignored because you did not a) acknowledge the OOC posts outling deployments and past events b) make any details of your location available and c) did not even state which exclusion zone.
I'll edit this to get rid of discrepencies.

Scene: Flight Group Alpha-Epsilon - Do I even need to repeat myself with this? You just RP'd being on top of the SF troops, avoiding the air patrols, radar, troops outside of the city, surveillance aircraft and/or naval vessels. You still haven't indicated a direction of attack so I refuse to respond.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11608969&postcount=329
They were flying below the radar deck. Although i will edit this to get rid of any discrepencies.

SF, Some honest OOC advice.

1) Stop being such a prick about knowing every signle detail of troop/equipment movement, esspecially when you doon't clarify where your defenses lie in the first place.

Why?

It's becasue you want to know every single detail about where its coming blah blah blah and you forget that being like "Oh, I have defenses in the south west" or whatever is the exact same thing you are campaiging against. Either give us a fucking map that has everything on it that isn't classified (OOC) or stop being a prick about the small details, fine print if you will.

2) You can't tell anyone where and where they cant fly their own planes or sail their own ships. It equals a god-mod, least in my opinion.

3) You can't expect other players to know you have a aircraft squadron patroling a certain area unless you tell them so dont bitch to us when we post something that goes against your idea or whatever when we didn't know.

4) But then again, who are you to tell us that our aircraft would be detected and to tell us what our aircraft are doing?

Sorry, I'm sorry if this sounds rude, I'm just sick and tired of the one-sidedness of this. My planes are flying wherever the hell I want them to and you can't do anything about that unless you attack them.

Ok Anglad, first of all, welcome to the RP that has gone on for over 200 posts before you joined.

1) Stop being such a prick about knowing every signle detail of troop/equipment movement, esspecially when you doon't clarify where your defenses lie in the first place.

I posted my deployment numbers and my troop movements since the start of this have been mapped out. But if instead of just jumping you, you had read the thread, you would have seen that.

You can't tell anyone where and where they cant fly their own planes or sail their own ships. It equals a god-mod, least in my opinion.

You're right, I can't them where they can go, but if they completely ignore what has been said and happened in the previous 200+ posts, I can ignore them.

You can't expect other players to know you have a aircraft squadron patroling a certain area unless you tell them so dont bitch to us when we post something that goes against your idea or whatever when we didn't know.
You're right. Which is why you should read the previous 200+ posts.

But then again, who are you to tell us that our aircraft would be detected and to tell us what our aircraft are doing?
Chances are that with the amount of troops I have on the ground, packed into such a small area they would see/hear most aircraft. Chances are that with the amount of ships that I have in region atleast one of them would see an unknown aircraft. Chances are that with the amount of 'eyes in the sky' I have airborne something unusual would be picked up on.

So to sum up, all my movements and actions have been posted prior to your joining. It is not up to me to inform you if you refuse to read the previous posts. Like I said, if you can't do it then you shouldn't be in this RP.

1, Troop movements change.

2, Your point doesn't even counter mine. Like I said, go ahead and shoot them down.

3, I already knew your fighters existed, I was defending my comrades not my actions on that one.

4, Understandable, but if your planes had a problem with my planes doing the following then why didn't you post about it?

a) West Corinthia is an ally and the RoB will fly aircraft anywhere over an ally unless by an ally's request not to.
b) The RoB does not believe in a force remaining in an area and enforcing soverigenty infringing actions on foreign soil when no longer necessary.
c) Patroling the skies of an ally for that ally's protection.

Map with the exclusion zones drawn on it?

There isn't one with the zone on it...just use Google Maps for a map of the region and estimate it using the scale. For a map of West Corinthia, visit here http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n91/toms1266/caucasus.jpg . If you really want I can put one together in a couple minutes.

Shit...do you realize how big this stupid "exclusion zone" of yours is? Anyway, I was just asking becasue that map is small and itbothers my eyes. Not to mention it is hard to see.

Since when is Blaglug in the exclusion zone?

There is no exclusion zone for Blaglug, just some IC confusion. An over zealous admiral.

There is no exclusion zone for Blaglug, just some IC confusion. An over zealous admiral.

Just wanted to clear it up.

Thanks :]

Tagging for future use. Keep in mind that my message to Wilhemlsborough uses a very thorough quantum encryption scheme and that such things are relayed through my embassy in the recipient nation using burst transmission, which after being decoded are hand-delivered. So, basically, unless somebody's managed to attach some kind of hacking device and have the specific encryption key for the recipient embassy and day, it's pretty much uninterceptable.

Who remembers when Igor Ranski dropped that pen in the office?
Remeber where it fell?
Guess, what?
It's a 'bug'...
The FBIA has heard every discussion in that office and in all rooms ajacent since then.
I thought I'd point that out now, but not earlier.

Wilhelmsborough, can I have an order of battle for the forces you mentioned in your mobilization post.

Asgarnieu...SF's violation zone extends over West Corinthia...it in infact all West Corinthian air space. Also....1000km extends over most of West Corinthia.

I am aware of what is going on and the action of my characters so next time anyone has a problem with my post...think I'm OOC BSing or made a wrong move ICly...I am aware of what I posted. Think a little bit. Is it IC propagana? Is it tough talk? Is it actual action? Remember I decided on the exclusion zones and I remember the exact distances of all three (Asgarnieu, your's is only 500km if you look at the post). I look at the maps and the distances before I make my posts, I also mention the distances in my posts and the EXACT places I am posting about to hopefully eliminate this confusion. So far only West Corinthia and Wilhelmsborough seems to recognize that which is why I have enjoyed RPing with them.

Tag.

[OOC: Is anyone going to respond to my Prime Minister's official statement to all parties concerned? Because if it does break out into war, we're siding with Saint Fedski. And especially you, SS. Wargaming anyone SS and formalizing relations anyone SS?]

OOC:
My government made 3 statements and i don't think thta SF has read any of them. THey go about saying something about "what you took as a declaration of war has been called off". Oh, and if you look at my thread, my DEFCON ratings have gone down, thus suggesting that my nation is not on an active war status.

Although a conflict that is brewing in which the CA is assaulting a member nation of the GASN might cause my war status to move back up a bit...but we'll see how that goes...

[OOC: Is anyone going to respond to my Prime Minister's official statement to all parties concerned? Because if it does break out into war, we're siding with Saint Fedski. And especially you, SS. Wargaming anyone SS and formalizing relations anyone SS?]

I've been busy with other things, SEA, give me a break.

I've been busy with other things, SEA, give me a break.
[OOC: Tis' alright, RL does have to take precedence. Come back when you're ready.]

I'm waiting for SF to respond to my posts....

Wilhelmsborough, can I have an order of battle for the forces you mentioned in your mobilization post.

You are planning to fight Saint Fedski provided that the shit hits the fan, right?

What is there to respond to? My response came after your initial announcement. If you can't draw a conclusion from that....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11635983&postcount=355

You are planning to fight Saint Fedski provided that the shit hits the fan, right?

SS, don't respond. No one needs to know your secret plans. I don't care if you plan on attacking me but if you are I do not want to know OOCly before hand. If you say something, chances are someone will 'use' that info in their posts...well you know you read Prae's rant. That's why I don't discuss my attacks.

Hey, SF, did you see my post? I was 1000 km from your airspace when my YAL-1ABL took off. It stayed within WC airspace. What the fuck? Just checking.

Learn to read. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11639514&postcount=285

I'm sick of your guys bitching about not reading your posts. I know what I posted and just because I don't respond ICly doesn't mean I haven't read it. My characters may have already said their only piece on that situation or they may just choose not to respond to it.

I'll post more later today or tomarrow. I have a few things that i need to do. Not sure what i will post though so i may just wing it or something like that...

I must point out Asgarnieu that SF planes did attack your airborne laser and that cruise missiles were launched against the airfield it took off from. More missiles were also launched, in the same fashion that started this whole thing, at a communications center (one of your's) located by atleast one RC-135 Rivet Joint. Keep in mind the accuracy in which it was able to locate and destroy the command center for WC's attack on Buddennovsk and how it killed the commanding officer, Captain Stukov.

Oh well. It's not like I can't replace the dammned things. Just wait. You'll get what's coming to you.

What is there to respond to? My response came after your initial announcement. If you can't draw a conclusion from that....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11635983&postcount=355
I was refering to my PM. And with regards to SS supporting the opposite side Saint Fedski, I suggest you try "reading between the lines"....

I was refering to my PM. And with regards to SS supporting the opposite side Saint Fedski, I suggest you try "reading between the lines"....
I was talking to Shaz...

I was talking to Shaz...
Erm, never mind....

Asgarnieu, problems.

Problem One
The 2 platoons of Asgarnian Special Forces immediately boarded their Fast Attack Transport Units and headed for the shore, where an LCAC would retrieve them. They were gone in 20 minutes.
I can see them jumping into some sort of land vehicles and beating it to the shore that's fine, but what happens after that considering my considerable naval deployment which I have stated time and time again...

Problem Two
"Top frequency" was the special frequency that SLCM-1557 missiles used that were sent to a satellite, and beamed back to the missile itself. They were not able to be jammed, or substituted by any other frequency. The hit rate was at a flat 100%. Once they were fired, there was no turning back.
Special frequency fine...however...unable to be jammed? no interference? a perfect hit rate? That's just a little on the god mod side man.

Problem Three
The missile pods on the side of the ship were activated. They moved and faced their targets.
Surface ship eh? It would have to be atleast 1700km away from West Corinthia seeing as an SF fleet is positioned pretty damn close to 1200km away in the only direction a navy can from from. Yes, 1700km because given the exclusion zone and the fact that as soon as your ships crossed they would be targetted and attacked and that, logically, would have been done prior to the firing of missiles.

Problem Four
6 SLBM-1557's streaked toward their targets. They flew below radar level as not to be detected. They would destroy their targets without the enemy even knowing what hit them...
Must be extremely huge missiles to travel for a minimum of 1700km, plus carry a huge warhead and enough fuel to travel at near ground level for such a long distance. Also they would be detected, maybe not by radar but they would be travelling so low that any number of spotters (airmen, sailors, soldiers) would see/hear them.

Problem Five
You haven't even RP'd a loss yet. It has been assumed that all the aircraft from the first engagement are down and it can be assumed that the airborne laser is also down.

Problem Six
The missile strikes. One of the two missiles fired at the comm center must've done something seeing as nothing was fired at them. And the missiles fired at the airfield must've killed some personnel.

Please fix those errors.
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Hurtful Thoughts...

First of all, you're in the middle of a complete lockdown of the entire island, especially the end in which you are which is where the government offices are. There are patrols everywhere, helicopters flying around, fighters in the sky and no unauthorized persons. So in order to reach your planes you will have to travel through a completely locked down city, crawling with Army reservists, military police and intelligence bureau agents. Chances are unless you plan on hiding in a closet for the duration of the lockdown, you won't be getting out alive... well maybe if you swim you might make it to the mainland...if you go in the right direction.

Random person? How is a random person inside your room?

Asgarnieu, problems.
Hurtful Thoughts...

First of all, you're in the middle of a complete lockdown of the entire island, especially the end in which you are which is where the government offices are. There are patrols everywhere, helicopters flying around, fighters in the sky and no unauthorized persons. So in order to reach your planes you will have to travel through a completely locked down city, crawling with Army reservists, military police and intelligence bureau agents. Chances are unless you plan on hiding in a closet for the duration of the lockdown, you won't be getting out alive... well maybe if you swim you might make it to the mainland...if you go in the right direction.

Random person? How is a random person inside your room?

Answered in reverse order.

Random Person: one of the unnamed 11 other people guardng Igor Ranski.
Or one of the named people, it really doesn't matter which one said that does it?

Hot and heavy it shall be.
I'll just have to expect casualties.

The goal is that the fire causes sufficent confusion as they try rounding up as many Hurtians as they can, a few most likely will even be missing and presumed dead.

And I plan on hiding in plain sight, any government official has a tendancy to look like any other official in a business suit.

I'm assuming the motel had more than just 14 people inside. And I'm pretty sure 4 of whom are injured/dead.

Fighter planes are generally more concerned about other planes and telephone wires. The other authorized personel (except for the gaurds assigned to, well, gaurd them) have other things to wory about rather than the location of potentailly dead yet stil unfound 12 bodies. (and with all your internal secrecy, I'm pretty sure they don't even know my people are in your country)

Explosions can 'push' things a considerable distance. Poor man's "rocketjump" I guess, but only if you don'y mind dying...

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And yes, SF, I agree that a 100% unjammable radio guided missile is a pretty big godmod. The only "no-jam" missiles are either inertially guided, ballisticly guided, or dumbfire.

Of course the damned aircraft were down! They had no time to react. I accepted the loss. The LCAC was not fired upon by SF, and if it had been, I DEFINITELY would have RP'ed the loss, I could care less about the Special Forces group and the Fast Attack Vehicles. The surface ship was with the Shazbot fleet, and moved away with the carrier. And yes, those missiles are pretty big and are designed for LONG RANGE WAREFARE. Their range is 2,197 Km. The warhead for the H-90 is about 1,500 Kg, and the missile itself weighs in at about 5,000 Kg. Here's the info page on wiki:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/SLBM-1557

We did not have any personnel on the ground at the airbase, because there was only the one YAL-1ABL deployed to West Corinthia. It just used the base to take off from. Sure, it used their fuel, but all of the personnel were on the aircraft itself. Sorry if you think I'm godmodding, I'll try to clean it up a bit. Peace.


Hurty, they aren't radio-guided, they're guided by a Satellite and it's stream of information that is beamed directly to the missile itself. It actually isn't 100%, more like 99%. It detonates PERFECTLY 99 out of 100 times. Thanks.

Well, the Shazbot fleet is way the hell out there two. They haven't even passed the first SF fleet which is on the way to the straits, where another fleet, and Wilhelmsborough's fleet is.

The LCAC wasn't attacked attacked because you merely mentioned i t was gone. But given the fact that there is 1300 SF ships in the region...it'll definitely be attacked.

My brain is fried right now trying to figure some stuff out.


I'll probably pot that my fleet is stopped in the Atlantic and ordered to hold steady until i can figure out what to do next. But i will do that later or something.

SF, that's why I underlined "WAS"...

What are you saying?

Here are the forces which I have activated, provided that everything goes to hell.

1st Army Group
(Field Marshal Dane Whitman commanding)

576,000 soldiers (Armed with AK-74U’s and Beretta M92 Handguns. Snipers use Galil-model sniper rifles)

2,500 Long Range Acoustic Devices (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
8,000 M1A1 Abrams Tanks
5,000 Active Denial Systems (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
5,000 9k58 Smerch Anti-Air Vehicles
5,500 Avenger Low Level Anti-Air Vehicles
8,500 M998 HMMWV Humvees
10,000 URAL-43206 Cargo Trucks

Roll: Homeland Defense

2nd Army Group
(Field Marshal Ilich Zapata commanding)

576,000 soldiers (Armed with AK-74U’s and Beretta M92 Handguns. Snipers use Galil-model sniper rifles)

1,000 Long Range Acoustic Devices (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
2,300 M1A1 Abrams Tanks
1,600 Active Denial Systems (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
1,700 9k58 Smerch Anti-Air Vehicles
2,000 Avenger Low Level Anti-Air Vehicles
3,500 M998 HMMWV Humvees
7,500 URAL-43206 Cargo Trucks

Roll: Offensive Operations

3rd Army Group
(Field Marshal Phillip Heinlein commanding)

576,000 soldiers (Armed with AK-74U’s and Beretta M92 Handguns. Snipers use Galil-model sniper rifles)

1,000 Long Range Acoustic Devices (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
2,300 M1A1 Abrams Tanks
1,600 Active Denial Systems (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
1,700 9k58 Smerch Anti-Air Vehicles
2,000 Avenger Low Level Anti-Air Vehicles
3,500 M998 HMMWV Humvees
7,500 URAL-43206 Cargo Trucks

Roll: Offensive Operations

4th Army Group
(Field Marshal Ivan Trubetskoy commanding)

576,000 soldiers (Armed with AK-74U’s and Beretta M92 Handguns. Snipers use Galil-model sniper rifles)

1,000 Long Range Acoustic Devices (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
2,300 M1A1 Abrams Tanks
1,600 Active Denial Systems (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
1,700 9k58 Smerch Anti-Air Vehicles
2,000 Avenger Low Level Anti-Air Vehicles
3,500 M998 HMMWV Humvees
7,500 URAL-43206 Cargo Trucks

Roll: Offensive Operations

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Theater One
(General of the Army Nicoli Trotski commanding)

5 Army Groups (2,880,000 soldiers)

Each Army Group is composed of 576,000 Soldiers led by a Field Marshal

Soldiers are armed with AK-74U’s with a Beretta Model 92 as a sidearm.

Snipers are armed with Galil Snipers.

3,500 Long Range Acoustic Devices (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
8,000 Avenger Low Level Anti-Air Vehicles
10,000 M1A1 Abrams Tanks
10,000 9k58 Smerch Anti-Air Vehicles
12,000 M998 HMMWV Humvees
15,000 Active Denial Systems (loaded atop M998 HMMWV Humvees)
30,000 URAL-43206 Cargo Trucks

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1st Fleet
(Fleet Admiral Ernest Halsey commanding)

3 Nimitz-class Aircraft Carriers (Flagship Iron Maiden)
3 Overlord-class Frigates
12 Seawolf-class Submarines
15 Kirov-class Battlecruisers
30 Oliver Hazard Perry-class Anti-Submarine Frigates

216 Su-47 Golden Eagles
24 S-3 Vikings
15 UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopters

-Stationed in the Bosporus Strait

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2nd Fleet
(Fleet Admiral Jacob Nields commanding)

3 Nimitz-class Aircraft Carriers (Flagship Queensryche)
15 Ticonderoga-class Cruisers
20 Sovremenny-class Destroyers
12 Seawolf-class Submarines

216 Su-47 Golden Eagles
24 S-3 Vikings
15 UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopters

2nd Carrier Group
(Admiral Draven McCloud commanding)

1 Intrepid-class Supercarrier (Flagship Bathory)
4 Nimitz-class Aircraft Carriers
12 Dauntless-class Heavy Battleships
24 Oliver Hazard Perry-class Anti-Submarine Frigates
36 Seawolf-class Submarines
432 Su-47 Golden Eagles
68 S-3 Vikings
10 EB-180 Stargazers
40 UH-60 Blackhawks
48 AH-1Z Super Cobras
24 RAH-66 Comanches

-Stationed in New Caledonia

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3rd Fleet
(Fleet Admiral Colm McGreevy commanding)

4 Nimitz-class Aircraft Carriers (Flagship Providence)
2 Ontario-class Battleships
22 Overlord-class Frigates
26 Sovremenny-class Destroyers
16 Seawolf-class Submarines
16 Ticonderoga-class Cruisers

160 MiG-31 Foxhounds
140 F-14 Tomcats
100 AH-64 Apache Helicopters
64 Ka-27 Helix Helicopters
10 EA-6B Prowlers

1st Carrier Group
(Admiral Howard Davis commanding)

3 Nimitz-class Carriers (Flagship Salvador)
6 Ontario-class Mk. II Battleships
10 Oliver Hazard Perry-class Anti-Sub Escort Frigates
15 Seawolf-class Submarines

216 Su-47 Golden Eagles
30 S-3 Vikings
9 UH-60 Blackhawks

-Stationed in the Azores

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Armada One
(Admiral of the Navy Vittorio Augustine commanding)

5 Intrepid-class Super Carriers (Flagship Schadenfreude)
24 Nimitz-class Carriers
336 Seawolf-class Submarines
50 Slava-class Heavy Missile Cruisers
60 Arleigh-Burke-class Guided-missile Destroyers
375 Oliver Hazard Perry-class Anti-Sub Escort Frigates
100 Kirov-class Battlecruisers
150 Horizon-class Anti-Aircraft Frigates
200 Sovremenny-class Guided Missile Destroyers
150 Wave Class Royal Fleet Auxiliary Large Fleet Tankers
250 T-AKR 310 Class Fast Strategic Sealift Ships
300 AOE 6 Supply Class Fast Combat Support Ships

Total # of ships: 2000

Each Intrepid-class Super Carrier will be allotted:
-46 S-3 Vikings
-144 Su-47 Flankers
-20 AH-1Z Super Cobras
Each Nimitz-class Carrier will be allotted:
-72 Su-47 Flankers
-10 AH-1Z Super Cobras
-3 Chinook Transport Helicopters

Each Slava-class Heavy Missile Cruiser will be allotted:
-1 AH-64 Apache Helicopter

Each Kirov-class Battlecruiser will be allotted:
-3 AH-64 Apache Helicopters

Each Sovremenny-class Guided Missile Destroyer will be allotted:
-1 Blackhawk Helicopter

Each Horizon-class Anti-Aircraft Frigate will be allotted:
-1 Blackhawk Helicopter

Each Oliver Hazard Perry-class Anti-Sub Escort Frigate will be allotted:
-1 Blackhawk Helicopter

Total Aircraft: 2,448 Su-47 Golden Eagles
725 Blackhawk Helicopters
350 AH-64 Apache Helicopters
230 S-3 Vikings
340 AH-1Z Super Cobras
72 Chinook Transport Helicopters

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Air Fleets

Each Air Fleet is made up of 75 Airships. They are:

3 Trojan II class Airborne Aircraft Carriers
8 Trojan I class Airborne Aircraft Carriers
9 Mako class Airship Bombers
15 Hyperion class Rigid Airships
40 Spartan Fleet Defense Airships

Each Trojan II can carry 20 Su-47s and 2 CH-47 Chinook Transport Helicopters
Each Trojan I can carry 10 Su-47s and 2 CH-47 Chinook Transport Helicopters

Therefore, each Air Fleet has in its possession:

140 Su-47 Golden Eagles
20 CH-47 Chinook Transport Helicopters

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There are 20 such Air Fleets in the W.R.A.F.

The 5th Air Fleet deviates from the standard set of airships. It is composed of:
-12 Trojan II class Airborne Aircraft Carriers

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List of Air Fleets and their commanding officers

1st Air Fleet (General Francis Rossini commanding) Flagship: Hammersmith
2nd Air Fleet (General Miles Donnovich commanding) Flagship: Donningham
3rd Air Fleet (General Adrian Paul commanding) Flagship: Commissar
4th Air Fleet (General Doreen Briar commanding) Flagship: Scythia
5th Air Fleet (General James Miller commanding) Flagship: Aries
6th Air Fleet (General Albert Rollins commanding)
7th Air Fleet (General Bradley Farrell commanding) Flagship: Airwolf
8th Air Fleet (General Colin Winters commanding)
9th Air Fleet (General Devon Johansson commanding)
10th Air Fleet (General Erich Zhan commanding)
11th Air Fleet (General Fredrick Smith commanding)
12th Air Fleet (General Gregory Hamilton commanding)
13th Air Fleet (General Henry Jefferson commanding)
14th Air Fleet (General Isaac Zimmermann commanding)
15th Air Fleet
16th Air Fleet
17th Air Fleet
18th Air Fleet
19th Air Fleet
20th Air Fleet
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Air Armada One
(General of the Air Force Salazar T. Sherman commanding)

40 Trojan II-class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carriers (Flagship Lovecraft)
80 Trojan I-class Rigid Aircraft Carriers
120 Mako-class Airship Bombers
200 Hyperion-class Rigid Airships
800 Spartan Fleet Defense Blimps

Total:
1,240 Airships

Each Trojan II can carry 20 Su-47s and 2 UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopters
Each Trojan I can carry 10 Su-47s and 2 UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopters

Total:
1,600 Su-47 Golden Eagles
240 Blackhawk Helicopters

Order of Battle for Imperial Navy units about to be deployed:

Expeditionary Fleet (6)
CarRon (4 Morrigan CVAN, 2 Macha CVN)
BatRon (6 Halcyon SD)
BatCruRon (6 Ryuho BCGN)
CruRon (6 Galicia CAN, 6 Alexander I Larsen CGN)
CruRon (6 Galicia CAN, 6 Alexander I Larsen CGN)
DesRon (6 Minotaur DDGN, 6 Osiris DDEN, 6 Sabre DDKN)
DesRon (6 Minotaur DDGN, 6 Osiris DDEN, 6 Sabre DDKN)
DesRon (6 Minotaur DDGN, 6 Osiris DDEN, 6 Sabre DDKN)
SupRon (18 Clan Grant AORN)
SubRon (18 Upholder SSN)

Raider Fleet (4)
SubRon (18 Upholder SSN)
SubRon (18 Upholder SSN)
SubRon (18 Subjugator SSGN)
SubRon (18 Subjugator SSGN)

If you need stats for individual class, let me know which ones and I'll point the way.

[OOC: Ah, Saint Fedski has gained a powerful ally in this conflict. Now SS, what about a response to my PM (fluid time it back to the series of events before it went all to hell) from your Duchess? Now, as for things going to hell.....expect a Southeast Asian response.]

I replied. It's in the same thread that I sent a reply to Wilhelmsborough.

Erm...never mind.

*face-palm*

I think I'm going to rejoin this RP, but I'm a bit confused with Saint Fedski's motives.
Clarifications, please?

The Primus is the Imperium's version of a Vice President. A Primus' first and most important job is that of the leader of the Imperial senate. S/he is also the Empress' most senior adviser and is the director of the Empress' other advisors. Finally, a Primus is the majority leader of the House of Lords of the Imperial Senate. Oh, and the Primus has to be a Duchess in their own right.

Asgarnieu, I realize you're probably not proficient with encryption systems for communication, in all honesty there aren't many that are, but a normal 2048Kb encryption scheme is beyond the NSA's ability to crack in any reasonable amount of time. A 2048QKb encryption scheme, QKb meaning a quantum kilobit, isn't even decipherable by normal computers and even if one has a quantum computer it's tough for such computer to break encryption codes that heavy. At least in the 2020 era.

So, naturally, I'm wondering how you're even aware of the fact that I'm communicating to Wilhelmsborough, much less how you can break the encryption and read the message.

Oh, sonnovabitch. I forgot about that...

I think I'm going to rejoin this RP, but I'm a bit confused with Saint Fedski's motives.
Clarifications, please?
Morally ambiguous, really. You'd have to judge it yourself. Arguably, the Czarist Republic and its allies are angered at the CSF for questionable sovereignty issues, and arguably as well, the Czarist Republic and its allies are being unreasonable and paranoid thanks to unforseen circumstances in peacekeeping within the Czarist Republic and as a result, the larger deployment there resulted in an adjusted time-frame. And all because of that, tensions have been boiling up.....

So...what's up? No one has anything to say anymore? What the hell!?!?

SS, I was under the impression that true quantum computers were a pipe dream, even by PMT standards. Hell, I think the biggest number one could factor was 15 (not sure about this, but still, its beyond primitive at this point in time, and I doubt 2048QKb scheme is even possible in 2020). Thats mostly irrelevant though; is SF still around?

No, the first quantum computers have already been built. Understand these aren't workstations, these are huge things the size of Crays and pretty much the government (that is, the Imperial government) is the only one that can afford them. The intelligence services are the only ones so far to show any interest in them, as the only truly useful application so far has been generating encrypted messages. As for the encryption scheme, I fail to see why that's a problem when my desktop could (if I could find my old PGP disk) generate a 2048kb or greater encryption scheme that would take the NSA, even with its supercomputers, a year or more to hack.

No, the first quantum computers have already been built. Understand these aren't workstations, these are huge things the size of Crays and pretty much the government (that is, the Imperial government) is the only one that can afford them. The intelligence services are the only ones so far to show any interest in them, as the only truly useful application so far has been generating encrypted messages. As for the encryption scheme, I fail to see why that's a problem when my desktop could (if I could find my old PGP disk) generate a 2048kb or greater encryption scheme that would take the NSA, even with its supercomputers, a year or more to hack.
Same here. Only that when I sent my PM sent his message to the Primus of the Imperium, he had to send it to the SAID (Southeast Asian Intelligence Directorate) headquarters where they had the quantum computers so that they could encrypt it. Just like Scandavian States and many other NationStates players, my tech definition of MT is present day to 2020. I'm a late MT/early PMT (2016-2020) nation, mostly that is, as not all my areas of my nation are fully developed.

Mer des Ennuis: Field Marshall Garanov is from West Corinthia.

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