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OOC Thread!!!

Now that Kravanıa ıs busy wıth RL stuff looks lıke that rp ıs not gonna go anywhere soon. Anyway havıng a bunch of wackos ın control of a mıssıle sılo ısnt somethıng I lıke, especıally sınce ıts ın a neıghborıng country (we are neıghborıng rıght? My geo ıs Caucasus & Turkey).

Anyhow I thınk now ıs the tıme to ıntervene. I was thınkıng of doıng thıs as a starter plan.

Fırst send ın spysats scan the area and fınd the sılo, ıf u can tell me where ıt ıs I can send ın an aır strıke rıght away. I doubt that rebels wıll be able to detect a B2, especıally before ıts too late.

After the nuclear threat ıs termınated, I wıll begın a massıve aır campaıgn on the rebel factıons. All of them. Well, I'll start wıth the assasınators and see from there.

After my aır campaıgn I wıll march ın my troops. The plan here wıll be to lıberate cıty by cıty and your beseıged army. Then the rest ıs hıstory.

Whatyya thıkn bud? Im goıng to Corınthıa!

I wanted to know how well defended your coastal waters are at the moment. I plan to start a beachhead invasion with my two mechanized Legions. I want to know what kind of defenses are their any air patrols, Naval Patrols, border defenses etc.

Well, what I want to know is:
What kind of rebels are these? What are their goals?
What sort of government do they plan to establsh?
If they are just mixed, I plan to back any sort of Fascist rebels, even though there is a good chance I would back the monarchy.

Meh, I won't bother with any large scale intervention. Most you'll see from Skgorria is some SS men dancing around

I just want to know what equipment everyone is using.

My naval vessels are from DMI and PIW.
Quickbreaker Class carriers
Thunder Class cruisers
Flanker/Johnston Class destroyers
Dolphin/Loch Ness Class subs
Endeavour Class transports
Pasteur/Curie class medical ships

My aircraft is generally current US technology with the exception of the fighters which I use my own CF-17 and Macabees Lu-45 Hawk
I have current F-16s in reserve along with F-16+'s (better engines, better avionics, better performance) and F-5 Tiger IIIs (highly updated F-5 Tiger IIs)

The Commonwealth Army can be found here (http://www.angelfire.com/planet/fedski/CommonwealthArmy.html).

I use almost totally US equıpment. My aırforce ıs really really really bıg and varıed. BTW, a sort of map would be greatly apprecıated Corınthıa.

So how skilled are these rebels? Are they just members of the public who decided to start a riot and rebel or do the rebels also have some military background. BTW mainly operate with current technoogies combining US/UK equipment.

Oh I forgot, um, hmm I forgot agaın... shıt.. what the fuck was I goıng to say...

I'm here to stir stuff up and support any leftist rebels. We further the people's revolution! :D

I have a Black Brigade Element of 8 personnel, and a Dedication Division sub-element of two personnel. They are equipped with Soviet weaponry, mostly AK-74s with a couple of AKS-74Us. One has an RPK, another a Dragunov. There are two RPGs and a couple of satchel charges.

They wear body armour and helmets with night vision sets, and carry encrypted communications. Combat gear is Russian pattern.

Needless to say, they're pretty hardcore!

My Airpower is made up of EB-180 Stargazers, B-52 Stratofortresses, S-3 Vikings, and Su-47 Flankers. We also have many Combat Airships.

My soldiers wear Kevlar body armor, and wield AK-74U's with Beretta M92 sidearms. Snipers use Galil sniper rifles.

Well fine, here's a breakdown of my boys

12 SS men, all armed with Stg-88 Automatic Rifles and various pistols (some silenced, some not). They each carry 4 grenades and have 3 one shot AT-launchers between them

Wilhelmsborough; I'm thinking the Airborne aircraft carriers are just little PMT/FT for this RP. Most of us seem to be using Col-war era, current or 'upgraded' equipment. Depends what everyone else says.

Wilhelmsborough; I'm thinking the Airborne aircraft carriers are just little PMT/FT for this RP. Most of us seem to be using Col-war era, current or 'upgraded' equipment. Depends what everyone else says.

It's definately not FT. If it were FT, I wouldn't need big-ass bags of Helium to keep my ships in the sky.

Whew, lots to respond to.

Groznyj: Yes, good plan! We definitely need to get the heir to a safe location ASAP.

Hansia: The rebels caught my navy totally by surprise and commandeered most of the smaller ships as well as the beaches. Beaches have fortified bunkers and SCUD missile launchers a few miles behind them.

Demon 666: The rebels are mainly with the West Corinthian Separatists (WCS). They are terrorists and wish to establish a terrorist state. A few smaller factions of East Corinthians are mixed in, and they just want anarchy.

Saint Fedski: Tank designs (used by the rebels and by me) are in my storefront (check sig). Ships are basically US-tech. Infantry weapons are from Kriegzimmer storefront, mainly Hali-42 assault rifles, etc, top-of-the-line stuff. My regular infantry are called hoplites, and usually carry a Hali-42, a sidearm, and grenades or RPGs. Myrmidons are my Spec Ops (think NAVY SEALS) and are like Hoplites but very highly trained.

Londim: Rebels are led by highly-skilled terrorists, but now that the Czar is dead they have begun recruiting from the general population. So the bulk will have moderate fighting capability and the officers will be experienced guerilla fighters.

And this is MT, as it says in the topic title :p

Also watch out because the rebels took over most of my military equipment, and my defense budget is over $3 trillion. Therefore they are very well-armed rebels.

WC: i want to send a battallion of special forces, since i can't spare regular army. Much like the US, i try to keep at least some form of forces within 2 days of any location. What would be the best method of insertion? have a map? They will conduct anti-insurgent tasks, surgical strikes, and assassinations, as well as link up with some of your light forces.

Is it too late to join in on this?

My nation, Hevena makes up the lands of the old Austro-Hungarian empire. If you occupy what would be Russia, then we'd share a border. I'd love to support the monarchists. My new monarch, an inexperienced girl is looking to prove herself, and scoring a victory in international politics would be something she wants/needs.

Skgorria is uping the ante, and sending an SS Panzer company!

.....

Yeah, we don't have that much in the way of long-range transport capabilities yet....

Well, I'm sending in a fairly large strike force.
The Blackwolf Guards are the equivalent of SS, and the Praetorian Guards are well, even more dangerous.
I basically have two objectives:
1. Destabilize the region as possible. If I wasn't distracted with Kravania, I would probably invade, but for now this is all I'm using.
2. Let's just say, I don't have nukes.

Question, how did Londim reach the Field Marshall before the SF paras?

Question: If this nuke silo is destroyed, will that automatically trigger other silos to launch their missiles?

@ Demon 666, the SS have no equivalent :p

Also, I laugh at whoever used fancy tech to restore order, when I just clubbed people with rifles and threatened to shoot them

Mer des Ennuis: I'll see if I can upload a map. Basically I occupy the lands of RL Georgia, Azerbaijin, Armenia, and bits of Russia and Turkey. Insert anywhere, but note my troops hold the capital and not much else ATM. You can hit the coast on the Black Sea, but the rebels will be there waiting for you.

Hevena: That's fine. I claim a little part of Russia around Chechnya, not the whole thing.

Wilhelmsborough: Each underground silo acts as an individual launching pad. They are not networked, and codes for the arming sequence are located on the base. A conventional airstrike could possibly disable the nuke, but the terrorists have a dozen soldiers and a few civilian scientists hostage. I'm planning to send a squad of Myrmidons to infiltrate the base under stealth, disable the nuke, and free the hostages.

I was gonna post asking you to detail your nation but I just realized you had your national profile on our regional forums. I'll leave it to you to linky it.

Anyhow, after a good deal of airiel bombardment against industrial and military targets I am going to send in the 18th Mountain Division; the best fighting force of my army consisting of 43,000 soldiers.

-Specialties of the 18th:

Mountain warfare especially guerilla tactics and fighting in scattered groups against a heavy enemy. (Think Chechen freedomfighters vs Russian armor in the mountains)
Urban combat


The 18th's hardware:
146 M1A2 MBTs
274 M2A2-3 Bradley FVs
3,460 HMMVWs <--- various kinds (AT/AA/Transportation/etc)
87 HIMARS units
468 155mm towed howitzers
48 Crusader Artillery Units (its the US's future replacement to the Paladin)
610 Stryker APCs
464 BlackHawks
72 AH-64 Longbow Apaches
22 Commanches

Keyword is mobility. The 18th Mountain Division is built to be mobile and is different from every other army division in that it has the characteristics of an infantry, armored/mechanized/and airborne divisions.

Don't worry WC, help is deffinitely on the way.
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Wilhelmsborough: I think that you should know that you are in MY waters at teh moment. I claim possesion of the sea of Marmara because the Republic of Groznyj encompasses the Caucasus and the entire Annatolian penninsula+northern MiddleEast (Iraq n Iran). So you just passed through what will eventually be NewIstanbul (sometimes my creativity in naming cities amazes even me). However, the new land (Turkey+Northern ME) is completely uninhabited by my country as its newly aquired. I only have an army of civil engineers and contractors going out to build bases and cities and 1 army division is pioneering the landscape. BTW practically my entire navy is out in Kravania, so aside from small surface and undersea presence, my only power over you navy is my airfroce which is in spitting distance. Just keep that in mind ICly =P.

Holy crap, WC, your city of Volgograd is on our border! Wow. I better step up my security to the northern borders.

I threw a map together on MSPaint and put it on photobucket. It's pretty close to right, maybe the border should go farther north...

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n91/toms1266/caucasus.jpg

ROFLMAO! WC, you just managed to plop your nation right directly ontop of where mine is! BLarg on You!...

check this out...

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GrayWolf116/?action=view&current=NSMap-1.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

Lol...looks like you claimed Wilhelmsborough too.:sniper:

I only put an emoticon in because this is rather amusing. Also, Irkutsk is a small mountain village comprised of a couple thatch huts and one (unpaved) road. I suppose it could have some factories if you really want...

You know, Groznyj, is the fact that we're working on opposite sides on this going to affect the Kraven situation greatly?

Groznyj-

Nobody really controls the Dardanelles/Sea of Marmara/Bospherous. As that's the only way into the Black Sea, it's considered neutral territory, not to be claimed by any nation. Such is the case in real life as well.

Besides, all the 1st Fleet is doing is patrolling the waters of the Bospherous Strait, and that's it. At no point do any of my forces touch the land. Also, in my thread when I mentioned ships entering the Sea of Marmara, I was referring to the naval force that Hansia had sent to conquer West Corinthia.

You guys have got to stop just appearing in Irktusk. My aircraft have radar you know. I'd prefer not to engage over the village anymore...and what are the losses to Kava Squadron?

Groznyj, please read the above post regarding just appearing on the scene or within miles of the scene in this case. Londim and I both have radar and I'm sure we'd both see other formations incoming, especially when its the ancient and definitely inferior F-14s you used to bomb Irkutsk without taking any losses or even being engaged by the CF-17s or the Typhoons.

Also, I believe you RP'd the losses of Wilhelm's Saab Grippens.

My nation might be young, but our army is five million strong. Every citizen serves the Kingdom of Eltiar. We just don't have any weapons, equipment, money or uniforms. Although we have just been given some grenades - or 'pineapples' as they're called. No - they are pineapples.

We are now a peace-loving people. :(

Your army is 100% of your population?

But of course! Even a small child could aim a gun, if we had any. The elderly could drive tanks, if we had any.

All citizens live to die for the Kingdom of Eltiar. Or they would if we had any means to fight with. I have no way of proving this, as we have no offensive or defensive capability, so I am just assuming that everyone would rise up in defence of their homeland.

The Kingdom of Eltiar has sacked Ostrango Loon, its Minister of Defense.

Initial estimates put the actual size of the Royal Army at three, one of whom is off sick.

Good call. I've got a question for you, but I will send a tg.

Ok.....and back to the actual topic, the rebels are about to disintegrate. Once word reaches the masses about the heir, most will embrace the monarchy again. Only the terrorist leadership will remain, and maybe those who are holding out for the nuke to do something.

Then the rest of you can fight it out, but now you'll have my real army to deal with. If you read my latest post that's the task force that was in my overseas colony and it carries the bulk of my standing army. My homeland had a small garrison force by comparison.

But about that nuke, I'm still waiting for Demon 666 to post because he's between me and the silo entrance.

Then SKgorria will waste no time in brutally reinforcing order - whee for atrocities :)

I think the Commonwealth is going to thump some skulls.

Question: Where on a map is your capital supposed to be?

It's on my crappy map:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n91/toms1266/caucasus.jpg

(look in NW Georgia)

I posted my planes movıng ın before that post you had about now randomly sendıng ın planes.

And I was talkıng about WC planes taken by rebels.

So... who's gonna be the 18 boggıes? Or maybe I should just cancel that part.

Damn ın eıther case we need to communıcate here a lot more. And anotherthıng, where the hell are the names of these cıtıes comıng from? I dont see any on the map n WC dıdnt say anythıng besıdes one cıty of Irkutsk... are you just makıng these up?

Edıt: Kava sq dıdnt have any losses, but of Bravo Delta and Theta, 4 planes (5 ıf you count Bravo One) were kılled.

I posted my planes movıng ın before that post you had about now randomly sendıng ın planes.
I know, I'm just making sure you know for future reference that you must allow us a chance to react when you make a move close to a combat zone like that. Also, you definitely had to have lost some, if not all of those F-14s. There's a very slim chance they could've avoided the 48 CF-17s that were buzzing around the area.


And I was talkıng about WC planes taken by rebels.
My apologies, thought you were talking about Wilhelm's aircraft.

Anyone need a Panzer company for anything? I'm bimbling around somewhere unspecific, so I can pop up anywhere

I know, I'm just making sure you know for future reference that you must allow us a chance to react when you make a move close to a combat zone like that. Also, you definitely had to have lost some, if not all of those F-14s. There's a very slim chance they could've avoided the 48 CF-17s that were buzzing around the area.



My apologies, thought you were talking about Wilhelm's aircraft.

Oh alrıght I understand, glad thats straıghtened out. My 3 squadrons ın the area can be slaughtered I dont really care as long as maybe a few survıve, (I want to develope Theta leaders' character further). Theır ınvolvment was more of an aggressıve probe ınto the regıon.

especially when its the ancient and definitely inferior F-14s

:eek: Ancıent?!..ancıent..***swears underbreath*** F-14s rock man what are you talkıng about?

Edıt: one more post tıll I get a 100 yeah!

And anotherthıng, where the hell are the names of these cıtıes comıng from? I dont see any on the map n WC dıdnt say anythıng besıdes one cıty of Irkutsk... are you just makıng these up?

Pretty much. You just need to know Kydonia is the cap., Irkutsk is a mountain village somewhere in the north, some of the major cities are Thessalonika, Ithaca, Tbilisi, etc. My cities tend to be either real cities in the area or made up Greeco-Russian-sounding cities.

Don't worry, I'll get around to finishing my country eventually.

So I'm approaching the Silo, Can anyone give me an idea of terrain, layout and location of friendlies/enemies?

I found a great map of the area. Hope it helps everyone! :)

http://www.cultivar.ru/N25/PIC/Krasnodar-map2.jpg

I vote that 'Yashku' is the village of Irkutsk.

Demon 666: The rebs in the silo don't want to leave it undefended and come out to join the battle. They prefer having the defensive advantage, especially because they're holding prisoners.

And they didn't know you were hostile, but they knew you were armed, they knew they hadn't contacted you, and that you weren't reinforcements for them. Given it's wartime, this was all they needed to know.

Question: With kind of nuclear missile do you have in the nuke silo? What are its capabilities?

Well, Skgorria, bascially my elite team is engaged in a firefight with West Corinthian elite forces.
I outnumber the Corinthian forces 3 to 1, however he has the advantage of cohesiveness since my men have just come down from a parachute drop and are so disorganized.
I'm slowly getting organized, but it's hard.
There are West Corinthian rebels, but they are sitting it out.
How many men do you have anyway?

A mixed company, as follows:

6 T-95 tanks
3 BMP-IIIs, modified to carry 8 men each rather than 7
21 SS Panzergrenadiers

No air or naval support

I also have 10 WC-Czar MBTs coming in 17 minutes behind Skgorria.

This nuke should be an ICBM with a moderately-strengthed warhead. All they need to launch it are launch sequence codes, which are kept in a book somewhere in the silo.

Uh... my plşanes are gettın lonelky up there

just wading through page 4 and into page 5, i'll try and post tonight

It's alright if Saint Fedski's two fleets are in the caspian sea, correct?

How the hell did they get there? And for that matter, how do they get out?

Never mind..I just looked but I thought I had posted that I was coming in from the north and east...before a map was available but I guess I hadn't. So there you have it. I figured I couldn't change my mind and come in from the west because someone has a blockade there, but I guess I am in the Black Sea, regardless of the blockade, if there is one.

Why don't you just ask the 1st Fleet nicely? They might let you through.

Ah I would, but I've already been there. Otherwise we'd have to go back in time before my helicopters took off from the carriers.

You know, West Corinthia, those men don't know what nation my men are from, right?

If you look at the map Wilhelm provided, I plan on landing around a place called Poti which is on the coast between Bat'uml and Kydonia (on WCs map) or Sokhumi (on Wilhelm's) Any objections?

Wilhelm's map: http://www.cultivar.ru/N25/PIC/Krasnodar-map2.jpg
WC's map: http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n91/toms1266/caucasus.jpg

Im gonna mount an attack through the south sendıng the 18th ınto Tbılısı. Should I just delete that whole post about the b2s and my 3 su37 squadrons? cuz ıt looks lıke everyone ıgnored that post n I mıstakenly thought Irtkutsk was a cıty.

Btw WC: lemme know what forces you have that are ın the south or are ın need of help because I wıll be generally marchıng up from the south ıntoyour capıtal.. btw, geographıcally where the hell ıs Kydonıa?

Look on that second map in the in my post above.

Oh thanks bud, lol for some reason my eyes skıpped that post.

Demon 666: no our opposıte ıntentıons ın thıs conflıct wıll have no consequence ın Kravannıa although ıcly ı dont yet know your here, lol ıcly I dont know anyones here...damn I have to make some contact, anyhow I'll start ın my next post.

I don't know it's you Demon 666. I know it's someone. Might want to remove any insignia from any bodies lying around.

If you look at the map Wilhelm provided, I plan on landing around a place called Poti which is on the coast between Bat'uml and Kydonia (on WCs map) or Sokhumi (on Wilhelm's) Any objections?

Wilhelm's map: http://www.cultivar.ru/N25/PIC/Krasnodar-map2.jpg
WC's map: http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n91/toms1266/caucasus.jpg

I've already captured Sokhumi, and am operating out of it's airport. Sorry!

I've already captured Sokhumi, and am operating out of it's airport. Sorry!

I'm well south of Sokhumi, for now. I'm just north of Batumi in an area near Poti.

In case you missed it, the uprising is mostly over, due to the appearance of the heir. Right now we're fighting small terror cells and other foreigners (like Demon 666 and Atopiana)

Mostly over, there are still some rebels who question the authenticity of the heir in and around Poti and Kuboleti. I'm not going to go through my posts, which I'm just about to make, and change the word "rebel" to "terror cells"

Can everyone stay away from the city which Atopiana is defending? I have 36 Blackjack bombers inbound, and they're gonna make a hell of a mess

As long as they don't fly over the invasion beaches, we shouldn't have a problem.

Wilhelm, do you have a link to the stats of the EB-180?

Actually, at this point, we're in for a completely different reason.
And no, it's not invasion. You'll see.

Damn you and your Blackjacks! :p

Hmm what to do what to do.. I could carry on my troop advancement towards the Atopiana invaders or become aware the Saint Fedski is launching an invasion and try to stop them...hmm:confused:

My town is about to be reinforced by 15,000 men in three Legions each of five columns.

CHOOSE YOUR FIGHT!!!! ahahahaha. :p

I would have to say that even if you double your forces, triple them even, you'd still be outnumbered greatly by the combined forces of West Corinthia, Skgorria and Wilhelmsborough. My armoured divisions are over 300km south-west of you and could not possibly get there in time, however, they can strike at Wilhelm's northern flank and my marines can make raids into KYdonia and a few other vital areas.

Right now I'm confused. Whos side are you fighting for Saint Fedski? The West Corinthian army or the rebels cos by making a beach landind it seems like an invasion but then you are also helping WC. I'm helping WC. Damn it now I'm confused:confused:

How the hell do you get the wrong thread?

Confusion is just a part of war. I am neutral nation. I will prevent other nations from invading West Corinthia, however I will not leave West Corinthia until everything is restored to the way it should be.

My IC characters have identified the other peacekeeping nations as Atopiana and Wilhelmsborough.

I am going to join in The war soon

SF, if you want to learn about the EB-180 Stargazer, just look at the first page of the Pudite Military Arms Storefront under "Bombers."

Have fun trying to raid Kydonia. Right now that's where my entire army is returning from overseas.

How are they returning there? Air is the only way I can guess, and between Wilhelm and myself, we pretty much have the entire coast covered.

Fleet came in from the colonies, they made contact with Wilhelm. They brought enough troops to capture the airfields around Kydonia as well as reinforce the city. The rest of my army is returning by air.

Who occupies the area in and around Turkey to your south WC?

That would be I. Sorry I was away for so long.. some serıous RL problems crept up. I just fınıshed my last post on pg 7 n Im readıng through the rest now. (Btw Im comıng up through the south. And geographıcally I occupy Turkey and The Caucasus but sınce me n WC are kında ın the same place, we're rpıng as really close neıghbors)...........however, I only just began annexıng the annatolıan area, so someone else could easıly sneak ın wıthout me knowıng ıt.

Well then you're in luck, Kahanistan and I are airlifting two of my divisions over Turkey, so you will have the first crack at knocking them down if you want.

Well that depends... Im neutral to Kahanıstan ın thıs theatre although vıolatıng my aırspace wıthout my approval would normally prompt an aırstrıke.. I was absent for a whıle so I'll just send up a squadron of F-22s to shadow the transports.

Also Saint Fedski, are you hostıle neutral or frıendly towards me? I wıll ally wıth any natıon wıllıng to work together and wıth WC.

ICly SF is a little hostile. Those F-14s that came in, bombed the village and the occupying Commonwealth Marines and then engaged SF aircraft.

SF wont go out of its way to start a war with Groznyj, but if Groznyj takes offensive action in WC or approaches the Commonwealth Fleet, SF will take action.

SF's mission is to keep the peace. However when groups like Londim start attacking the Atopians and the West Corinthians, instead of asking Atop to leave, they attack, things get a little complicated. Once the Commonwealth moves further inland more offensive action will be taken to prevent further fighting.

Alrıght, I guess thıs ıs a good tıme to make fırst contact dıplomatıcally wıth you. BTW Im ın there as a peacekeeper, WC ıs my closest neıghbor,ıs an ally,and ıs ın my regıon, I have no reason to try to take hıs land. Hope that clears up any ıc mısunderstandıng.

What if I attack Atop? It's kind of inevitable at this point. I don't take kindly to people slaughtering my aristocracy.

I just fınıshed up my last post. SF I have my Graywolf squadron shadowıng the transports and a massıve aırwıng has been scrambled to joın them. For now Im just makıng contact and not shootıng. Them transports havıng Kahanıstanıan ınsıgnıa sure dıd save your troops lol.

I'm in West Corinthia for my own reasons, which will become clear as the Silo RP goes on.
In the meantime, I think I am going to sending in the Army.
Sidenote: The Empire of Demon 666 encompasses Manchuria, Kamchatka, the Sakhalin Islands, and the Japanese Island of Hokkaido.

Heh Demon 666 ıf you plan on goıng to war wıth me... be prepared for a hell of a fıght because my people are sure as hell not ready to lose theır land. Also ıf you do I'll be forced to call back my entıre navy from Kravanıa and back to my home waters. I have over 475 naval combatants, 30,000 aırcraft (ıncl. transports n bombers) and an Army of 4 mıllıon. But by all means, Im ready for a war. Im returnıng home from vacatıon wıth my relatıves ın Istanbul, after a 10hr flıght tomorrow I'll be fully able to rp actıvely.

And.. please tell me you are not goıng to nuke me?? I would hate havıng to turn that sılo ınto a gıant crater.

I don't have nukes. That's the whole point of that silo part.
And I'm not sure about war as in invading you. Tenarius is a bit tired(40 years of running a country is finally showing), but even he knows that war would be bloody.
However, he will be definitely sending the Army into West Corinthia

Just know that trying to grab my land now means the retaliation of the full West Corinthian army. No more disillusioned garrison forces. Now my veterans are back from the Makoki Isles.

Are we honestly going to start a huge war over what Atopiana is doing? I would rather this RP not come to that. It makes no sense. Even Saint Fedsky knows what they did to the civilians in that town.

^^^same, but I'm still not backing down.

I just fınıshed up my last post. SF I have my Graywolf squadron shadowıng the transports and a massıve aırwıng has been scrambled to joın them. For now Im just makıng contact and not shootıng. Them transports havıng Kahanıstanıan ınsıgnıa sure dıd save your troops lol.
they haven't even left the ground in Kahanistan yet.

To wilhelmsborough:

wouldnt it defeat the purpose if a fleet just showed up in the dardenells ontop of your fleet? last time i checked fleets didnt engage in broadside action anymore, they engaged at a distance.

I am very much enjoying this story unfolding.

There is one thing that I was missing though. Has the traitor/murderer of the Czar been reveiled as yet? If so, I've been overlooking something and I sinceirilly apologise.

If not, does anybody feel like picking up that part of the plot? I might make a few suggestions, but I'm only an outsider and, what's worse, a novice to RP. So, it;s better if you lot decide about it.

To wilhelmsborough:

wouldnt it defeat the purpose if a fleet just showed up in the dardenells ontop of your fleet? last time i checked fleets didnt engage in broadside action anymore, they engaged at a distance.

How many times do I have to explain this? The 1st Fleet is NOT in the Dardanelles. We have no ships in the Dardanelles! Everything is in the Bosporus! Here, let me show you guys a map!

http://www.FuckYouAndDie.com/pics/30868328.png

I'm sorry if I'm getting annoyed, but I don't want to keep correcting everyone who says my Fleet is in the wrong place.

Dude...its called giving you a chance to RP a reaction before we enter the Bosporus. I dont like it when I'm flying over a village and next thing I know I have three other nations flying over the village in one post. I'd rather have them RP a take off, wait for a reply post, then either fight a battle or let them pass.

If you're in the Bosporus, you wouldn't like it if we just showed up right beside your ships. If we're going to do it that way then I'll just forget about fleet even being there.

Wo whoa. Missiles from space?! What are you playing at Hataria. I thought this was MT so that technology just wouldn't exist

Sf is haveing Problems with my Navy, Juggernuats and war Satellites. But I am useing things I Read about online of "Things the Peanigon don't want"

(1) The Navy: on NS, some Nations have Large Navies, like Questers with 60,000 Ships and me with 20,000. but we only use a Small Part, like 100-1,000 Ships for a Fleet.

(2) The Super Tank: The US was once makeing one about The size of a Dump truck (and that is big in Real Life for a tank) but It didn;t go well for The US Army or any other Nation. Russia is said to have a Super Tank And you can fight one if you find the Week Spot.

(3) War Satellites: the idea of Missile Fireing Satellites is as old as The Cold war, so it is not GM, unless you are PT.

Sf is haveing Problems with my Navy, Juggernuats and war Satellites. But I am useing things I Read about online of "Things the Peanigon don't want"

(1) The Navy: on NS, some Nations have Large Navies, like Questers with 60,000 Ships and me with 20,000. but we only use a Small Part, like 100-1,000 Ships for a Fleet.

(2) The Super Tank: The US was once makeing one about The size of a Dump truck (and that is big in Real Life for a tank) but It didn;t go well for The US Army or any other Nation. Russia is said to have a Super Tank And you can fight one if you find the Week Spot.

(3) War Satellites: the idea of Missile Fireing Satellites is as old as The Cold war, so it is not GM, unless you are PT.

1) I wasn't gunning your navy. I was gunning Wilhelm's
2) Super tanks don't exist. There isn't a logical reason for having one. And if it didn't go well for the USA or anybody else, chances are the faltering Russians who can barely keep an air force flying will be able to develop one
3) Laser weapons, light sabers and things like X-Wing fighters are all ideas, as old as the 70s so lets include them as well.

Dude...its called giving you a chance to RP a reaction before we enter the Bosporus. I dont like it when I'm flying over a village and next thing I know I have three other nations flying over the village in one post. I'd rather have them RP a take off, wait for a reply post, then either fight a battle or let them pass.

If you're in the Bosporus, you wouldn't like it if we just showed up right beside your ships. If we're going to do it that way then I'll just forget about fleet even being there.

Hey now.

This has nothing to do with showing up unexpectedly. I agree with you that it sucks when that happens

I just don't want people to get confused about where I stand (literally!). Because the confusion, and the attempt to correct mistakes ends up disrupting the RP. If somebody made a large post about attacking my forces in the Dardanelles, how annoying would it be if I told him that I was never there in the first place?

It would be a terrible waste of time, energy, and talent!

I am very much enjoying this story unfolding.

There is one thing that I was missing though. Has the traitor/murderer of the Czar been reveiled as yet? If so, I've been overlooking something and I sinceirilly apologise.

If not, does anybody feel like picking up that part of the plot? I might make a few suggestions, but I'm only an outsider and, what's worse, a novice to RP. So, it;s better if you lot decide about it.

I have an interesting little twist for that part of the story. To tell you the truth I didn't expect this to escalate like it did, mainly because I didn't think anyone would try to invade me. But once it's over, the traitor will be exposed. Then the Prince will deal with him after his coronation.



And no space weapons! Sheesh.

And no space weapons! Sheesh.



Thanks, man. I thought the weapons satellites were pretty rediculous myself. But I could have stopped 'em anyway.:cool:

Deom 666, while there are a few warheads in the silo, there's no "secret nuclear research" documents to be found. I do the research elsewhere.

Wilhelmsborough

If you look at the map west corinthia doesnt even include the city of Novorosslysk and Tanarog is definitely north of the Sea of Azov (Not even all that close to West Corinthia)

I guess I'll shift my home port slightly westwards to Marioupol just as temporary measure as I did think the armies in west corinthia would be so far north of the country. Just think of being kind of locked in the beachhead (and that eastern corridor you opened up along the coast) for while then. The Conspiracy is most displeased with the Wilhelmsborites invading tanarog ;)

I didn't think there would be any. I still want the warhead.

On a side note, pretty soon I'm going to begin asking people to hand over what they've occupied, since the rebels are no longer a threat.

You know, we haven't heard from Atopiana in while now. Do you think if they don't reply soon, we should just say that they unexpectedly abandoned the city?

they haven't even left the ground in Kahanistan yet.

Ooops... oh well now you have lol.

Btw, I didnt know there was any air battle and the graywolf squadron was only noticed by the escorts and transports when it broadcast its messege. Also they came in before any other planes did. Could you please change your post to reflect this accurately? I'll just take as letting you through because of the Kahnistanian insignia on most of the planes.

Hey Groznyj, since Hataria is sending a fleet of ships so close to your territory, I have to ask: What is your country's stance on Hataria? For, against, or neutral?

West Corinthia, I don't think Phoenix missiles could kill my gunships.
The Phoenix is an air-to-air missile that can only fire if the plane is between 80,000 and 100,000 feet.
I would guess that my gunships would be at most 1500 feet above the ground, given Hellfire-II missiles have a range of 600 yards.
And I don't think the Phoenix has that sort of range.

They're not RL AIM-54 Phoenix missiles, they're my own special long range missile. A couple miles isn't a problem for long range missiles anyway.

Regarding Atopiana, I think that's our only option. I was really looking forward to bombing his capital too...

And Wilhelmsborough it may take me a while to redo my navy for my next post. You see, I had notecards detailing all my ships, armor, weapons, and nukes, but lost them over my brief vacation from NS. I'll try to find them again, but if not, I have to work it out again.

My stance to Hataria will be hostile if I learn of his intentions against my ally. Things will be even more urgent to me because even in the remote case he does take over WC, I will have a major threat to deal with. I'll just move more troops to the border. If things get too hot I'll withdraw some warships in Kravania to come here.

Btw.. Even though my nation is really the caucasus + turkey, Im ignoring the fact that everyone is passing through the Bosphorus (Im gonna build "New Istanbul" there) because its all wild land for me at the moment in this rp. Later on as I expand more and incorporate the new land I'll start taking more notice.

And WC, don't forget if you need help at all ask, Im within pissing distance of you.

About Hataria... Im considering the effects of using nuclear missiles/bombs launch by B2s against the fleet if it get through though I dont think I will. Hataria poses a big threat to me if it gets through.

Ooops... oh well now you have lol.

Btw, I didnt know there was any air battle and the graywolf squadron was only noticed by the escorts and transports when it broadcast its messege. Also they came in before any other planes did. Could you please change your post to reflect this accurately? I'll just take as letting you through because of the Kahnistanian insignia on most of the planes.

The 'greywolf squadron' was noticed long before it even knew of the transports. SF has radar you know.

As an OOC warning to an IC incident, be aware that you will immediately be the focus of any and all Commonwealth activity and strength if you even threaten to use WMDs.

So whats going on with Atopiana? As I see no response from them are we to assume they have left or they are not responding meaning we fight? I won't be able to post ICly until tomorrow because today is a pretty hectic day for me.

So whats going on with Atopiana? As I see no response from them are we to assume they have left or they are not responding meaning we fight?

If he doesn't say anything, then we're just going to have to assume that he abandoned the city. I don't want to keep waiting for him to show up. At some point we have to leave him behind.

This war has been going on for a little while, and is becoming an intense multi-national conflict, from what I gather. And moreover, it takes place in the Caucasus and the regions around it. As most people can guess where the German Empire is centralized, I think it's about time that we take notice.

Does anybody mind if the German Empire comes in on the side of the West Corinthian Loyalists, to attempt to bring order back to the region, if it is still divided as such?

I have asked One of My Allies, The Parthians, for use of one of his Air Bases. Note: His Nation is in Iran (He Calls it Persia still.)

I have asked One of My Allies, The Parthians, for use of one of his Air Bases. Note: His Nation is in Iran (He Calls it Persia still.)
His nation is much larger than simply Iran.

My stance to Hataria will be hostile if I learn of his intentions against my ally. Things will be even more urgent to me because even in the remote case he does take over WC, I will have a major threat to deal with. I'll just move more troops to the border. If things get too hot I'll withdraw some warships in Kravania to come here.

Btw.. Even though my nation is really the caucasus + turkey, Im ignoring the fact that everyone is passing through the Bosphorus (Im gonna build "New Istanbul" there) because its all wild land for me at the moment in this rp. Later on as I expand more and incorporate the new land I'll start taking more notice.

And WC, don't forget if you need help at all ask, Im within pissing distance of you.

About Hataria... Im considering the effects of using nuclear missiles/bombs launch by B2s against the fleet if it get through though I dont think I will. Hataria poses a big threat to me if it gets through.

The Fleet Turned back if you like to know

Excuse me everyone, who is currently in control of the legal West Corinthian government?

The nation isn't really all that divided.

West Corinthia has regained control of most of it, Atopiana hold a single, small city in the very North, Wilhelm (peacekeeper) controls a couple places along the coast. SF (peacekeeper) controls a couple places along the coast and some inland. Londim has advanced in from I forget where but it allied with WC, Groznyj is to the south and if I recall is sided with the WC government.

Demon666 is helping the rebels/terrorists as is Skgorria I believe. Hataria wants to invade.

How many of the nations involved are in places that would relate to a Real Life map, becuase I am currently building one off my own colonial map.

So far all I have on it is myself, Hataria, Parthia, and becuase Parthia is allied to them, and her territory depends on the borders of the other, Roach Busters.

I know Groznyj or whoever is in the Caucuses and Turkey, and Wilhelmsborough is on the Crimean Penninsula, but not the specifics.

Noticed long before they even knew of the transports jeez.. its not like they're stealth fighters or the best pilots in the nation or anything. God knows they arent experienced in recon missions or maybe flying specially modified aircraft.

Nonono its ok SF... you dominate the skies no question. Wait, let me get my squadron of X-Wings... oh no wait, your CF-17s could kick the shit outta that too.. oh damn. Keep assuming total dominance without thought as to the advantages/qualities of others. I concede the glorious skies to you. You are the master of the air! Im sick of fucking rping with a guy that rps and assumes false things about others forces. Want to rp the defeat of my nation to yours? Go ahead you can rp both sides I wont even read it.

Edit: I was pretty pissed off due to some other things when I wrote that. Im not gonna bother to change it, I trust you can discern my underriding meaning.

Edit Edit: Ok rereading that looks like I was ridiculously pissed off. Bassically CF I think it's a better idea if we talk about things that we're gonna rp b/c they dont turn out so well. Also I think we should stop rping eachothers sides and assuming things (that my fighters engaged ur escorts or that ur CF-17s flew by my F-14s). Disregard what I wrote before... I'm too lazy to delete it and not lazy enough to stop typing right now...hmm.. 8thinks about the stunning irony*

Hataria: Im guessing that you still have interest in WC and your fleet is gonna turn around around to come back again? Dont worry I didnt misunderstand you.

They're not RL AIM-54 Phoenix missiles, they're my own special long range missile. A couple miles isn't a problem for long range missiles anyway.

Regarding Atopiana, I think that's our only option. I was really looking forward to bombing his capital too...

And Wilhelmsborough it may take me a while to redo my navy for my next post. You see, I had notecards detailing all my ships, armor, weapons, and nukes, but lost them over my rief vacation from NS. I'll try to find them again, but if not, I have to work it out again.
That's the point. It isn't a couple of miles. You're saying your missiles have arange of at least 15 miles to hit my gunship. No air-to-air missile has that range.
I'm having trouble buying.

Couple things Groz,

1) About your F-14s, thats neither here nor there, it was a minor action that was discussed and dealt with. Nothing happened, no harm no foul.

2) About the "long before the transports even took off" comment. As I've stated in this thread and other threads I have E-2Cs airborne all the time from the carrier (which just happen to be off the coast of Groznyj as well as West Corinthia). Two air groups landed which means AWACS are now always airborne. The carriers, cruisers and destroyers all have pretty good, maybe not the best, but pretty good radar and aerial detection devices. So if there were aircraft in the air, chances are they'd be detected by one or the others.

3) I did not assume your aircraft engaged my escorts at all. I said The fighters kept the Groznyj fighters at bay with the exception of a small squadron that crept in to get a closer look.
I knew you didn't want combat, but I didn't want any of your aircraft near the transports so I intended it to mean that the pressence of the heavy escort kept your fighters a safe ways away, while I allowed a squadron to come close and take a better look. Otherwise, if you had anymore than a squadron near the transports, there would've been a massive dogfight featuring your fighters, however many you scrambled and the 100 MiGs from Kahanistan and the 200 CF-17s from SF.

That's the point. It isn't a couple of miles. You're saying your missiles have arange of at least 15 miles to hit my gunship. No air-to-air missile has that range.
I'm having trouble buying.

I meant them to be a lot closer than 15 miles when they fired. If 15 miles is your radar's range or something and you want to take action before then, I'll happily change it. I just assumed that there isn't a lot of reaction time when you're responding to a jet only a few miles away. Just say the word.

Germanian Empire: You're welcome to join in the fun. The rebellion itself has been (for the most part) crushed. West Corinthia was in a weak position because it had committed most of her troops overseas while only a small garrison force remained. Terrorists, aided by conspirators in the government, assassinated the Czar, believing he had no heir, and causing mass unrest throughout the country.

But there was an heir, with a secret identity, living in a mountain town called Irkustk in the far north. He was rescued, his identity made public, and a lot of the rebels disbanded. Coupled with the intervention of foreign peacekeepers and the eventual return of the West Corinthian army from overseas, the country has been reclaimed and order being restored.

Now let me fill you in on the current problems:
1. Atopiana took a city in the north called Buddenovsk and began killing civilians as they imposed their own ideas on the people. They have been given a 12 hour dealine to leave before forces of the West Corinthian army and others move in to reclaim the city. Saint Fedski has said they will protect Atopiana until the dealine expires. (but so far Atopiana the person has been a no-show)

2. Demon 666 forces (not yet identified ICly) are moving into a recently retaken West Corinthian missile silo outside the capital. They are trying to capture nuclear warheads, but a full platoon of Myrmidons (my special forces) stand between them and their goal.

3. Hataria is trying to invade, plain and simple.

Then there's various political tensions between all of us. And the heir, who is technically an illegitimate child, has yet to expose the traitor in the government who killed his father. I have pleasant twist for all of you with that.

Also remember that I have sent noncmbat personnel into Atopian territory.
While they are there to build and repair, they're also a diplomatic trap.
Also, West Corinthia, how many men do you have now? I would say I still have about 150 men, 25 Praetorians and 125 Blackwolfs, since the reinforcements almost made up for losses in the initial firefight.

50 Myrmidons plus 25 Hoplites. And we have the advantage of defense combined with strategic knowlege of the silo.

I won't work out my specific navy until tomorrow, but until then assume something reasonable for a 1.1 billion pop. nation with $3.4 trillion for defense.

OOC:Who claims Turkey in this thread? I'm a bit curious, does West Corinthia?

Groznyj occupies Turkey. How many soldiers do you have in a division?

You know Saint Fedski, when I sent that message that the Atopianans had opened fire on us, it was made on a channel which everyone should have heard, including your forces in the area.

You once said in the RP that an attack on one peacekeeper was an attack on all peacekeepers in the region. Well now that they've attacked one of us, would it not be logical to conclude that the Atopianans have indeed attacked all of us?

Yes, yes I did and I overlooked that part of your post. However, the peacekeepers deal with a situation like that, not the other side in the conflict. So once the West Corinthian attack is stopped, if its stopped, the peacekeepers have the duty to remove the threat, not the opposing side.

If teams B and C are peace keeping during a conflict between A and D and team D fires on team C, it does not give team A the right to attack team D. However, it gives teams B and C the right to do so while team A stays quiet.

Wilhelm, TG.

I disagree. I think that if team D occupies land in team A's nation peacefully, and team A asks for it back, team A can take it back by force if team D refuses.

Because the second team D refuses to hand back the land, they become an invader rather than a peacekeeper.

Well, team D was never really a peacekeeper. So the conflict is between Atopiana and West Corinthia.

So if AT and WC are having a conflict, as they are now, and WB and SF step between AT and WC, like they have. WB and SF are the peacekeepers. So if AT fires at WB, its up to WB and SF to correct the situation themselves. If WC takes matters into their own hands, then both sides are at fault and the conflict continues with a greater threat to the safety of the peacekeepers.

So from my perspective, its better for the peacekeepers to deal with a single act of hostility themselves than having to deal with a single act, followed by a couple acts.

Are you trying to tell me that my forces have your permission to attack?

Except I'm not attacking because AT fired on WB. I'm attacking because AT is illegally occupying WC territory. The peacekeepers must bow to the will of the country they are guests of, and not defend the invaders. If they defend the invader, they are now an invader themselves.

And he adds a twist...

Peacekeepers do not bow to anybody. They are there to ensure peace is kept. If they bowed to the bow to the will of the country they are guests of, they are no longer peacekeepers, but allies of the 'invaded' country.

touche.

But when this began did you not enter to put down the rebels and restore the government? I think you never really were peacekeepers, but allies after all.

Check and mate.

Oh but I entered to ensure the protection of Field Marshall Chenko and to restore order. In order to restore order, the rebels had to be settled down. Now that rebels have been put down, order still isn't completely restored, thanks to the people at silo, the Atopians and the West Corinthian military.

But order will only be restored when West Corinthia is fully under West Corinthian control. Wouldn't order be established faster if we weren't hindered by false diplomacy?

(im enjoying this little debate by the way)

Order will be restored when all obstacles obstructing the road to peace are removed. All leftover combat finished. When order is restored, the peacekeepers reduce their numbers, stick around for a little while to make sure it stays quiet, then leave.

I will be adding a map shortly highlighting the SF positions.

And what do we consider the Killerbees? WMDs? Biological warfare?

Hmm, bees... Biological? Considering their poison is potentially deadly...and people could be allergic.

I will be adding a map shortly highlighting the SF positions.

And what do we consider the Killerbees? WMDs? Biological warfare?

You would refer to the 1st Bee Brigade as merely a Biological Weapon?

Wrong! Those bees are soldiers of the Principality! Granted, they have trouble distinguishing between friend and foe, but I'll be goddamned if those aren't the most fierce and dedicated soldiers I've ever seen! When this is over, their unit will be given full military honors!

God bless those little soldiers!

Ok, they are Wilhelmsborough suicide bombers who use biological toxins as weapons.

I would call The Bees, GODMOD, but I am not saying any thing

Hataria, check your TGs.

Well, I am now going to hurl my forces in this to invade along with Hataria and The Parthians, now that two engineers have been killed by West Corinthia.
The problem is I don't know ho I'm going to get there.
Like I said, Demon 666 consists of Manchria, Honshu, Kamchatka, and the Sakhalin Islands.
Since West Corinthia is in the Caucasus, I don't know how I could get my army there.
Any ideas?

Well, air would be too dangerous considering you would have to get over the airspace of countless countries to get even close.

To get a naval force into the Black Sea you'd have to be able to defeat the combined navies of West Corinthia, Wilhelmsborough, and Groznyj.

Good luck with that.

Well, air would be too dangerous considering you would have to get over the airspace of countless countries to get even close.

To get a naval force into the Black Sea you'd have to be able to defeat the combined navies of West Corinthia, Wilhelmsborough, and Groznyj.

Good luck with that.

And a small fleet of the Kaiserliche Marine, which has by now reached the Black Sea. In the interests of continued regional stability the Imperial Navy will do their best to keep the aggressors out.

I don't have a very large navy, so that option is out.
Where is Hataria located, anyway?

And a small fleet of the Kaiserliche Marine, which has by now reached the Black Sea. In the interests of continued regional stability the Imperial Navy will do their best to keep the aggressors out.

I don't think Wilhelm and WC will allow just anybody through so I suggest you RP the fleet approaching and trying to gain permission to pass through the blockade.

I don't have a very large navy, so that option is out.
Where is Hataria located, anyway?

Check his signature, it tells you.

I don't think Wilhelm and WC will allow just anybody through so I suggest you RP the fleet approaching and trying to gain permission to pass through the blockade.

I will, but I've already sent some transmissions to the West Corinthian government. They haven't responded yet, I assume he missed it.

I will RP approaching the strait later tonight, but for all intensive purposes I am there, unless the WC and everybody does not want any more help... I don't have time to do it now.

Groznyj occupies Turkey. How many soldiers do you have in a division?


About 20,000.

I've been busier than normal lately, I'll try to get a post up. Let me know if I forgot to address anything.

Woops, I almost forgot about the nuclear silo.

Hataria, you can't attack from the West or you'll be flying over Wilhelmsburg's Navy, WC's Navy and my Navy. If you attack from the North, you'll be encountering Wilhelmsburg, Atopiana and CCR I believe. If you try to from the east I believe Londim is there. If you try from the South you have Groznyj and myself.

And that's before you even approach West Corinthian air space. Once you get to West Corinthian air space, you have everyone to deal with, so you might want to change your post.

Hataria, you can't attack from the West or you'll be flying over Wilhelmsburg's Navy, WC's Navy and my Navy. If you attack from the North, you'll be encountering Wilhelmsburg, Atopiana and CCR I believe. If you try to from the east I believe Londim is there. If you try from the South you have Groznyj and myself.

And that's before you even approach West Corinthian air space. Once you get to West Corinthian air space, you have everyone to deal with, so you might want to change your post.

What exactly does everyone control? In particular, what does West Corinthia control, and what do his allies control.

What exactly does everyone control? In particular, what does West Corinthia control, and what do his allies control.

West Corinthia controls all lands from the north of the Caucasus Mountains to somewhere around Volgograd.

Communist Revolution controls the city of Mariupol and some of the area to the north of that.

Groznyj controls the area where Turkey is supposed to be.

The Germainian Empire controls an area that stretches from Germany to the
Black Sea. They're also right above my nation (I think).

Wilhelmsborough controls the Crimean Peninsula, that piece of land in the Black Sea which is attached to the Ukraine.

I have no idea where Saint Fedski comes from.

I have no idea where Saint Fedski comes from.
Half way across the world, probably in the Carribean. Although I have been operating out of Kahanistan which is the Israel, Egypt, Lebanonish area I guess.

West Corinthia controls all lands from the north of the Caucasus Mountains to somewhere around Volgograd.

Communist Revolution controls the city of Mariupol and some of the area to the north of that.

Groznyj controls the area where Turkey is supposed to be.

The Germainian Empire controls an area that stretches from Germany to the
Black Sea. They're also right above my nation (I think).

Wilhelmsborough controls the Crimean Peninsula, that piece of land in the Black Sea which is attached to the Ukraine.

I have no idea where Saint Fedski comes from.

I have a map of myself in my signature.

Half way across the world, probably in the Carribean. Although I have been operating out of Kahanistan which is the Israel, Egypt, Lebanonish area I guess.

Where in the Carribean are you exactly, I would like to know, partially becuases I have a pair of colonies over there, and partially becuase I am making a map of the world as I see it.

Haven't quite decided if I'm going to use the existing islands or if I'm going to create my own and have them located there.

Guys/Girls, check your TG's.

I think that the RP is slowing down a bit. Does anybody else feel that way as well?

It is and I'm not going to anything until you guys finish with that Hatarian invasion thing.

Ok then. We'll drive back the invaders and then we can finish things up.

Not only hasn't he told us which direction he's coming from, he just bypassed all oppossing forces and the West Corinthian defences. I ask you guys to seriously think about the TGs or once his 'invasion' is done, we return to where we left off.

Ok, I agree with you. Sorry, Hataria, it's not going to happen.

The RP is slowing down because it should be ending. Atopiana still needs to reply. If you want, we can move on and deal with that later. By moving on, I mean acting like the situations in the nuclear silo and Buddenovsk have been dealt with, though we can RP them at a later point.

Then we can finally get back on track of the main plot to this whole RP, the Czar's son ascending to the throne and dealing with the traitors who killed his father. If that's the way you want to do it, because I feel it's the only way to save the RP, you need to let me know soon. I'm leaving for a short vacation tonight that will go for the whole weekend. I'll be back on Monday, but I can get a post in today depending on how you want to treat the situation.

By moving on I mean picking up right after post 224. All posts after 224 dealing with Hataria should either be ignored or deleted so you can continue getting rid of Atopiana, I can continue getting rid of Londim and we can finally crown the Prince.

Due to post #234 I'm going to have to agree. In the beginning of the RP I said that I would allow invasions, but Hataria's invasion drifts too far away from the main storyline. Not to mention that claiming to be 2 miles away from my capital is a godmod. Did I not say that I had AAs all over and 3000 planes in the air?

The Hatarian invasion is at the very least delayed until the end of this RP, and it must be realistic if it's ever going to happen.

Due to post #234 I'm going to have to agree. In the beginning of the RP I said that I would allow invasions, but Hataria's invasion drifts too far away from the main storyline. Not to mention that claiming to be 2 miles away from my capital is a godmod. Did I not say that I had AAs all over and 3000 planes in the air?

The Hatarian invasion is at the very least delayed until the end of this RP, and it must be realistic if it's ever going to happen.

Alright, I've been convinced: Hataria will be ignored until the end of this RP, which should have taken place a couple days ago, but since Atopiana is taking his sweet time in replying, we've been forced to keep this up.

Sol Giuldor, I'm sorry I brought you in here just when we were about to ignore him. I greatly appreciate that you came in to help. If we do a follow-up RP, I'll be sure to tell you.

Try to keep OOC chatter out of the IC thread. I can get one more post in before I have to leave for the weekend. I've decided to jump straight to the coronation, and anything else can be dealt with afterwards.

The nuclear silo should end soon, (actually it should have already ended), but I'll try to hurry things wup without throwing Praetor's lives away.

So is this over or what?

I just got back from vacation. So it's not over yet. I'm tired, so I won't post until tomorrow.

EDIT: You won't believe this, but I have to go away again. I'll be back Saturday, and that's when we'll do the coronation. I promise. I can get a post in today, but only if the site stops being so slowwwwwww.

bump

A couple points...

Air control over West Corinthia is still pretty much in control of the Commonwealth of Saint Fedski. If I remember correctly there are over three thousand fighters stationed in the immediate area so if you would like to enter the air space south of Buddenovsk, you will need to get permission from SF (use a map of the Caucasus region. West Corinthia's map is here. http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n91/toms1266/caucasus.jpg)

The Commonwealth has numerous deployments in the area so if you're thinking a couple squadrons and two or three divisions will be enough, it won't be. The last I checked there was something like 100,000 soldiers in 11 divisions.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11470148&postcount=204

Also, all naval access to West Corinthia has been blocked off by Wilhelmsborough, Londim and Groznyj. Not to mention the Saint Fedskian fleet off Kahanistan and the entire Kahanistanian navy. (Negeve desert, onthe way to West Corinthia)

Off WC waters lies three SF fleets.

SF ports include Batumi, Poti, Kuboleti and their airfields. The SF navy has not expended a single SAM yet and can easily be replenished with supplies from Kahanistan.

So, WC, are we finishing the silo or what?

So, WC, are we finishing the silo or what?

If you really want to. A lot has happened since then, though. I have reinforcements to spare, and your men will likely be captured or killed before they can reach the warheads (which are being disarmed as this all happens)

Your choice. ;)

SF: I thought you only held airspace over the territories you control. Whether that's the case or not, I trust they'll be out within the week or else they won't be there at all.

No hard feelings OOC by the way. I'm enjoying acting angry IC.

SF fighters did fly into the North of the country and attacked WC forces without being jumped by WC fighters so I figured as long SF fighters can fly over the airspace without getting attacked by other fighters it was safe to say SF had some control. Either way, with over 3000 fighters in the immediate area, control can't be too far off.

Of course there's no OOC hard feelings. It's been an extremely fun RP so far and will continue to be.

Any idea what's with Groznyj?

why am i being attacked

Groznyj sent me a PM saying something like he went on vacation. But I don't think he's coming back in time for the continuation of the RP.

Also, is Buddenovsk under my control yet? I forget what happened with that. I think Wilhelm forced the Atopianans to retreat and then they were destroyed in an ambush by my division behind the city. I think he gave me the city too but I'm not sure.

well the killer bees swarmed in and it was kind of left at that. So either way you have your city back.

I don't understand your point...You say you have air superiority over West Corinthia so why not attack my fighters?

You said they are over West Corinthia which they cannot be. Not only did you not RP their approach, you did not mention any sort of direction.

Also, can I have a link with their stats?

WC: Nice...real nice :cool: Grabbing an assassin. I like it. You're going to run into a problem though. General Lynds (a she) is on board the SFS Sarnia, an aircraft carrier in the middle of the fleet. Just for further info they have been patrolling in patrols of twelve deep into West Corinthia and in larger patrols over Buddenovsk.

Jaredcohenia: My characters don't care what you say about when/why/how/where you will attack. They see that you threatened the use of NBC weapons and have declared you an enemy. No matter what your intentions may be, should the become aware of your military presense within the exclusion zones, an attack will most likely be made.

For reference, SF is located in the Caribbean. All islands currently there have been removed, and replaced with my own. I will get it up soon.

My military is currently being overhauled by me OOCly so currently, their stats aren't up, however I promise they will be before any action is taken by them.

1) I didn't know what direction this would be, is their a map of his nation?

2) Their approach was implied by the post, seeing as how I stated where they came from and why...etc. If they had just "appeared" they wouldn't have been launched from anywhere. My apologies though for their sudden appearance. Personally, I hate making short posts stating "approachs" and stuff like that becasue its hard to be creative with them. I'm not one of those "stuff happens without notice" rpers, I just didn't find it necessary.

However, since you appear to dislike this sudden action, I will post approachs and other things like that from now on in this RP okay? :)

I hate sudden appearances. You will find that I being RPing my approach long before is necessary so that when I RP with pricks like me, I can say "hey, look at this post, this post and then this one. You were given time to react. Not my fault". More of a safety net than anything.

We now run into the problem of the Ocean. http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n91/toms1266/caucasus.jpg is the map. The ocean is to the east but you could not have gotten an aircraft carrier there without first passing my Kahanistan (very close ally, located near israel) and my forces there. Then you would the Dardenelles and the Bosporus Strait to pass through (occupied by by four different navies, namely Wilhelmsborough which will not grant passage) and then finally, you have three fleets of mine in the Black Sea combined with some from CCR and CCR's homeland (i think its their homeland, they have a port up on the Sea of Azov anyways).

Shaz, PROHT, Jaredcohenia and Ustia are all GASN. Therfore, all actions taken against any are considered actions against them all.
For the record, so am I..But my IC participation is looking less and less likely with each passing day..Due to upcoming rl developments..(am keeping a eye on this as this involves a fellow GASN member)

1b. In the event of a provoked attack or aggressive action, it is the member nation’s choice of whether or not to enter the conflict.

1b. In the event of a provoked attack or aggressive action, it is the member nation’s choice of whether or not to enter the conflict.
And how was this provoked? Your troops weren't exactly acting like peacekeepers should..

So peacekeepers just sit there and watch nations fight? That's the problem with jumping in, in the middle of the thread. You miss what happens.

True enough..Sorry if I offended you, mate..Was just trying to understand what had happened, and more importantly why it happened..

I'll find the posts for you. I know where they are. I wasn't offended, it's a common thing. I've done it before and ended up looking a fool. But I will find the series for you.

I'll find the posts for you. I know where they are. I wasn't offended, it's a common thing. I've done it before and ended up looking a fool. But I will find the series for you.
*kicks jolt in a sensetive spot for acting up*
That would be very helpfull. Not just for me, but the rest of the GASN, I am sure..To know the whole story.

What would happen if the attack happened before WC became a 'pending member'?

I'd have to defer that to Cravan, as he's the boss, not I..Still it's a good question..

This:

Pending member = nations can choose to get involved if they want, however are not "suggested" to.

If you catch my drift of course. Cravan is currently re-writing the charter to better define these things.

I asked that before and I think we said it wouldn't "offically" be a GASN issue but I think WC has been in GASN for awhile now.

1b. In the event of a provoked attack or aggressive action, it is the member nation’s choice of whether or not to enter the conflict.

And we know our charter. And those GASN member shere HAVE decided to help. We don't do it because we are told, we do it because we want to.

Well said.

And we know our charter. And those GASN member shere HAVE decided to help. We don't do it because we are told, we do it because we want to.

Very well said Indeed.

And we know our charter. And those GASN member shere HAVE decided to help. We don't do it because we are told, we do it because we want to.

Indeed, well said.

We are all brothers, 'cept Blaglug. He's our sister.

:p

Indeed, well said.

We are all brothers, 'cept Blaglug. He's our sister.

:p
I know this may sound odd, as I am the same way, most of the time..But do you always try to make light of every matter, Jared?

I know this may sound odd, as I am the same way, most of the time..But do you always try to make light of every matter, Jared?

Try? Yes.

Succeed? Probably not.

The first WC move regarding the Attack on Atopianaian held Buddenovsk
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11442263&postcount=144

The SF response to the WC and Londimian military build-up. Aircraft take to the air.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11444372&postcount=151

WC's response to the SF warning
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11444642&postcount=154

Londim's response to the SF warning and a communique with WC. A 12-hour deadline is proposed.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11446488&postcount=156

WC accepts the deadline.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11447849&postcount=158

SF again warns WC and Londim about action against Atopiana. SF also calls back a large portion of the aircraft.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11448312&postcount=160

Situation in WC with 6 hours remaining.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11453949&postcount=174

SF with six hours remaining.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11454105&postcount=177

Norhing major, just some WC batteries moved up and WC acknowledges SF control of the air.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11455527&postcount=179

MAJOR - Atopiana shoots at Wilhelm's psy-war plane.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11465233&postcount=193

Minor - Wilhelm announces Atop has fired at the plane.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11465573&postcount=194

MAJOR - West Corinthia attacking Buddenovsk
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11467406&postcount=197

MAJOR - SF response, warning then attack.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11467894&postcount=199

Another warning for Londim
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11470148&postcount=204

WC reaction to SF intervention
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11470148&postcount=204

Wilhelm urging WC not to attack
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11471611&postcount=207

SF loses aircraft, cruise missiles launched, permission granted to Wilhelm to engage.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11472138&postcount=209

Condemnation by CCR
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11472288&postcount=210

Wilhelm drops capsule-Bs
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11472327&postcount=211

West Corinthia ceases fire. Captain Stukov's command post destroyed. Reparations demanded.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11472490&postcount=212

First SF apology
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11472629&postcount=215

WC demands reparations from Robynne Hay and for a city to be tranfered to WC control
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11472742&postcount=216

City ceded to WC control
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11472985&postcount=217

SF denies reparations
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11561258&postcount=260

As it turns out, the attack did happen before WC became a 'pending member'. The attack was on 31 July, WC became a pending member 8 August.

But what does it matter SF? I mean, even if he wasn't in the GASN I could help if I felt like it right? You can't go around brandishing our charter against us. Plus, as a member of the governing council, I find it quite all right that my allies are helping WC becasue WC is a good contributer to this alliance.

Shaz, where exactly are you attacking from?

West Corinthia only has water access on the east, which requires you to pass past Kahanistan in the Med, Wilhelmsborough in the Dardenelles and Bosporus, Londim, Groznyj, Germanian Empire, CCR, Wilhelmsbourough and SF in the Black Sea.

I'm just making sure the whole picture is known. I'm sure WC did not make anything up or leave anything out OOCly, I'm just covering the bases.

However your IC intelligence branches should have picked up on a few things. Unless your nations just jumped blindly into conflict when an a loose ally asks, it would most likely influence your IC decisions.

The arguement is that if say Shaz goes out, attacks a nation like Doom and ends up getting routed, will you just jump in without even asking why it started in the first place?

Shaz, where exactly are you attacking from?

West Corinthia only has water access on the east, which requires you to pass past Kahanistan in the Med, Wilhelmsborough in the Dardenelles and Bosporus, Londim, Groznyj, Germanian Empire, CCR, Wilhelmsbourough and SF in the Black Sea.

I'm just making sure the whole picture is known. I'm sure WC did not make anything up or leave anything out OOCly, I'm just covering the bases.

However your IC intelligence branches should have picked up on a few things. Unless your nations just jumped blindly into conflict when an a loose ally asks, it would most likely influence your IC decisions.

The arguement is that if say Shaz goes out, attacks a nation like Doom and ends up getting routed, will you just jump in without even asking why it started in the first place?

Well, if Shaz presents a reason we find reasonable, and requests assisstance from the GASN, yeah, I'd have to say I'd probably back him.

(Only reason I'm not in here is I'm involved in quite a few RPs at the moment, and don't want to add another one.)

Also, no offense, but your no Doom.

No of course not SF, why do you think we are asking "what happened?"

Well, if Shaz presents a reason we find reasonable, and requests assisstance from the GASN, yeah, I'd have to say I'd probably back him.

(Only reason I'm not in here is I'm involved in quite a few RPs at the moment, and don't want to add another one.)

Also, no offense, but your no Doom.
Was just using an extreme example to emphasize the difference between article 1a and article 1b

Didn't I just say you are in no position to argue the points of our charter? What the charter states and what nations feel are two different things, and I don't see how using the charter is to your benefit because nations are still allowed to act how they please.

Also, this is a perliminary article about the fighter. (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/F-213_Death_Angle)

Left out these three:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11364411&postcount=1

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11373368&postcount=3

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11383823&postcount=19

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384689&postcount=28

Now then, the last time I tried an entry into a conflict like that, it was considered an act of war, and the time before that ended up getting one of my boats sunk and two of my planes blown up before I could calm them down.

After that I decided to stop showing up unannounced and unconditionally into a conflict.

And this wasn't your first time attacking Cornithian allies
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11407266&postcount=70

This sort of action normally gets a country into an unintentional war, I've been there. It isn't fun, the place was Alidor.

My list referred to the attack on West Corinthian forces.

If you look at the last post you listed, the city was under seige by rebels.

well the killer bees swarmed in and it was kind of left at that. So either way you have your city back.

Yeah, that's right. After the killer bees drove out the Atopianans, my forces brought in forces to destroy the bees. The city is back in West Corinthian hands.

Too bad.

I'll have to be told ICly about this.

Otherwise I didn't hear/see any of it.

Which makes it really difficult to try defending your case in the GASN Court system (currently they are working on who's head they want on a stick).

1) Not they are referring about it OOC.

2) None of this is currently an offical GASN issue so I would really like it if you all stopped refering to this as something the GASN as an organization supports. Currently, the GASN holds no stance on this issue and GASN member involvment is entirely on the respective nation's intentions.

Fair enough. However it can now be assumed that the intelligence services of PROHT is sub-par. Thus the PROHT has less access to discoverable information between parties in SF and SF's allies. Just to be fair.

1) Not they are referring about it OOC.

2) None of this is currently an offical GASN issue so I would really like it if you all stopped refering to this as something the GASN as an organization supports. Currently, the GASN holds no stance on this issue and GASN member involvment is entirely on the respective nation's intentions.
There's the point. I did not realise it was not a GASN issue.

Well really almost no issue that GASN members have been involved in are offical "GASN Issues" unless Cravan are leader says it is and If I remember right he hasn't

What people have been failing to tell you and it's about time you knew is this:

The GASN has officialy suspended all official GASN military operations. Thus, this involvement by GASN nations is purley on alliance through the GASN, not sponsered by the GASN.

So please, all of you, refrain from affiliating the GASN with offical involvement in this conflict. Thank you.

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Ustia, I know your intentions are good, but please leave this up to the Governing Council for damage control reasons. Thanks man.

I never did that. :P

I just stated that I would be supporting Jaredcohenia. I don't use the GASN as a threat. It is just there in case my sovereignity is violated. :P

I simply stated that attacking an ally=a nono, whether through the GASN or not.

If I referred to it as a GASN member or whatever, I'm simply defending an ally.

Or something like that.

What people have been failing to tell you and it's about time you knew is this:

The GASN has officialy suspended all official GASN military operations. Thus, this involvement by GASN nations is purley on alliance through the GASN, not sponsered by the GASN.

So please, all of you, refrain from affiliating the GASN with offical involvement in this conflict. Thank you.

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Ustia, I know your intentions are good, but please leave this up to the Governing Council for damage control reasons. Thanks man.

Of course, I'll leave this to the Governing Council and your welcome.

Thanks, this sort of issue has just been a sitcky subject latley and its important it gets straight. :)

To answer Saint Fedski's question, if there is a chance that fighting breaks out between them and West Corinthian-allied nations, Wilhelmsborough will not come to it's aid, save to allow them a fast exit from the Black Sea.

The two countries worked together as peacekeepers, but as far as Wilhelmsborough's government is concerned, the peacekeeping mission is over and it's time for everyone to go home now.

Wilhelmsborough is more concerned about what happens in the Black Sea, especially with its allies (ie West Corinthia). They believe that the status quo of power must be maintained. They don't have any ill feelings towards Saint Fedski, but they are more concerned about what goes on closer to home.

So in conclusion, if fighting breaks out, Wilhelmsborough will be neutral, except to keep foreign navies out. That doesn't however, prevent foreign air forces and armies from making an attack.

Fair enough. However it can now be assumed that the intelligence services of PROHT is sub-par. Thus the PROHT has less access to discoverable information between parties in SF and SF's allies. Just to be fair.

Nah, it just means you are in their blind spot and are too lazy to crank their head before they sideswipe you.

Been out of the loop because it wasn't/isn't my problem, at least not directly.

Another example is Sniper Country, he's in another blind spot, he's my right blind spot, you are in the left blind spot.

Along with about 150 other nations out there

My intel services are in no way blind, but tend to lack autonomous motive power.

I blame it on my lack of spy satalites...

I'll post something tomarrow...including how i am going to get to this "exclusion zone".

I still do not understand what Shazbotdom is doing. How can Shazbotdom be testing an exclusion zone when there is not one for Shazbotdom? Only Jaredcohenia and Asgarnieu have exclusion zones.

For those who wish to catch up this is pretty much the situation in the general area.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/fedoraja/WC-general-area.gif
As you can see, SF is in a bit of a position in which it can project its power.
Aircraft without drop tanks can patrol the area within the following boundries:

North of Albania and into central-north Romania, into the Sea of Azov, down southern russia towards the Caspian Sea, down around Azerbajan, Armenia and Iraq and around Kahanistan (map on NSwiki), out over the Med, into southern italy and back to Albania.

Is anyone willing to allow their top military commander and/or head of government be killed in a public assassination by an unknown party? If so, toss me a TG and we can work it out.

It's too bad Atopiana isn't active. I was looking forward to invading him.

And a small detail about your map: You list my fleet as being in the straits, when it's really not. I have one or two destroyers there to monitor things and the rest of my fleet is sitting in the Black Sea off my coast.

SF, your exclusion zone is bullshit.

1000km and you're near other nations? Especially a one that I am allied with?

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me princess.

Its what SF ICly says so that's what stands. Please don't mix IC and OOC like that, I may find it offensive and it could ruin the RP.

I'm stating what you said ICly is stupid, this is the OOC thread no? I still don't understand why you're putting me under it.

what? o_O

Your nation suggested the use of Nuclear weapons which to SF is a very serious matter. Even though your nation says it won't attack, the threat is still considered serious enough to label your nation immediately hostile.

When you 'know' someone is hostile, you will try to keep your distance (if you're not looking for a fight) but seeing as nations cannot move, a zone or zones had to be set up in order to keep threats at a less dangerous distance.

Your nation suggested the use of Nuclear weapons which to SF is a very serious matter. Even though your nation says it won't attack, the threat is still considered serious enough to label your nation immediately hostile.

When you 'know' someone is hostile, you will try to keep your distance (if you're not looking for a fight) but seeing as nations cannot move, a zone or zones had to be set up in order to keep threats at a less dangerous distance.

Yeah... I think that your logic may be a little flawed. Knowing JC, something like that will probably make him more likely to attack.

Then it will be him starting the conflict which is all SF can ask for.

Then it will be him starting the conflict which is all SF can ask for.

Only if he's A) Stupid, and B) not reading this. It would be much simpler for him to sail through your 'exclusion zone'. That way, if you attack him, you start the conflict, if you don't, then fine. He can feel free to enter the 'exclusion zone' at his discretion.

Guys, take a breather and think for a while..

SF has a point. Just because he makes some debatable demands ic does not mean that you should start beating him ooc for it..It is just the way his nation is, it does not neccesarily mean that he himself is like that.

It is the, and I quote Wilhelmsborough, "convoluted logic of Saint Fedski" I RP a sarcastic, upfront, straight forward nation. You be straight with it, it'll be straight with you. You want to screw it over, it will do its best to screw you over. Similar to the way I am IRL.

Only if he's A) Stupid, and B) not reading this. It would be much simpler for him to sail through your 'exclusion zone'. That way, if you attack him, you start the conflict, if you don't, then fine. He can feel free to enter the 'exclusion zone' at his discretion.

My God Aeson, you know me like a book.