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Well, uh, I have more rocket launchers! And possibly more machineguns too! Hah!

Y'know, for the amount of money and training put into the legionaries, you'd think the commanders would be a little bit more careful with them... y'know, put a little value into their lives...

Well, uh, I have more rocket launchers! And possibly more machineguns too! Hah!

Y'know, for the amount of money and training put into the legionaries, you'd think the commanders would be a little bit more careful with them... y'know, put a little value into their lives...
Meh, that would be boring.


So, how big a force are you attacking with, anyway?

Meh, that would be boring.


So, how big a force are you attacking with, anyway?

The whole landing force is one legion, 500,000 soldiers, but not all of them are deployed yet. All in all, there's another 500,000 soldiers, plus an armored division, which has many hundreds of tanks, light and heavy.. and... approx. 500,000 crewmen! I must like the number 500,000 or something.

I'm assuming it's larger than your beach defenses here, since your army has to be spread out to cover the whole shore (at least the shore near the cities).

As you can imagine, that many people takes a fleet around the size of the one at the Normandy landings, which is a lot of ships... Actually quite a bit more transports, because the normandy landing only totaled 140,000 troops.

OOC: I am wondering how many of my troops should have landed...

LNI dude, I knew what was happening I just needed you to respond to my attacks, it was as if you'd suddenly stopped posting.

Oh and their members of the Toxitrooper Foreign Assault, not the Sky Assault.

Oh and RFF, this is the OOC thread, you don't need to wrap your posts in OOC tags here.

Haha, I don't know why I did that. Does two divisions (20,000 men) sound good for the ammount of troops landed so far?

To give you an idea of how many people 500,000 is: Look at the picture. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11442705/)

The whole landing force is one legion, 500,000 soldiers, but not all of them are deployed yet. All in all, there's another 500,000 soldiers, plus an armored division, which has many hundreds of tanks, light and heavy.. and... approx. 500,000 crewmen! I must like the number 500,000 or something.

I'm assuming it's larger than your beach defenses here, since your army has to be spread out to cover the whole shore (at least the shore near the cities).

As you can imagine, that many people takes a fleet around the size of the one at the Normandy landings, which is a lot of ships... Actually quite a bit more transports, because the normandy landing only totaled 140,000 troops.
Meh, I can even it out with strike fighters. I think some F-22s hitting your landers would do 'em a world of good...
EDIT: Oh, and I've got 50,000 soldiers in the city, but 100,000 elite soldiers are about to back 'em up, along with some heavy armor

RFF, where are you landing at? Because it it's Gilin, you're in the middle of a huge battle, and if it's Foynes, there's no way you're going to be able to land that many troops and armor, considering the forces I have there...

I'm in Gilin. I'll start posting as if I was in the middle of a battle. Didn't realize it.

Edit: Who is fighting at Gilin on the beaches?

I'm in Gilin. I'll start posting as if I was in the middle of a battle. Didn't realize it.

Edit: Who is fighting at Gilin on the beaches?
I think it's just Ftagn versus me and Wanderjar.

I thought Ftgan and Wanderjar were at Foynes?

I thought Ftgan and Wanderjar were at Foynes?

So did I, but LNI told me to change it.

...Hold up. I thought everyone was at Gilin, because Toopoxia decided to strike there. It IS a much easier target than Foynes...

...Hold up. I thought everyone was at Gilin, because Toopoxia decided to strike there. It IS a much easier target than Foynes...


Nothing wrong with that

What is the geographic composition of your nation? (In english, what kind of terrain you got LNI?)


Sorry, I just took a course on Human Geography, and I keep thinking in that mode.....*Slaps himself*

Nothing wrong with that

What is the geographic composition of your nation? (In english, what kind of terrain you got LNI?)


Sorry, I just took a course on Human Geography, and I keep thinking in that mode.....*Slaps himself*
I understand what geographic composition means.

Outside the cities, my nation is a heavily polluted, scorched wasteland. SO, most warfare will either be urban or desert combat.

I know I'm at Foynes, but I may withdraw and go jump on the bandwagon and Gilin.

EDIT: Looking at the IC thread... CONFUSION!!! Where is everyone?! Is Wanderjar attacking me, or someone else?

I know I'm at Foynes, but I may withdraw and go jump on the bandwagon and Gilin.

EDIT: Looking at the IC thread... CONFUSION!!! Where is everyone?! Is Wanderjar attacking me, or someone else?
How about we just say everyone is at Gilin. Makes everything much simpler.

How about we just say everyone is at Gilin. Makes everything much simpler.


Agreed. Also, heres another thing. I am with LNI. If you are against LNI, you are against me. If you are helping LNI, you are with me. Simple enough?

I think joining this would be highly entertaining.

Being the ruler of a small, nasty, capitalist empire, Emperor Roland Percival VI has found some sympathy for the leadership of Toopoxia.

Need some chain-wielding assassins? The backing of several obscure secret societies? Religious fanatics with weapons? We can help. We're not big - tiny, in fact - but we're too ambitious to really care.

Sign me up.

(Note: In character, this country seceeded from Valle-Purpure a decade or two ago. The king is still "annoyed".)

Well, the Secretary of National Defence and the Head Marshalls of the Army and Navy have pled to the parliament to interfere and it is agreed that this is serious. We are supporting the LNI by manufacturing any required arms to our greatest capacity, also sending any troops we can. Because service is not manditory, we get the most enthusiastic and, therefore, most productive troops to their own abilities.

And so it goes...

My mistake!

How about we just say everyone is at Gilin. Makes everything much simpler.

Ouch... simpler, but think of the poor people in the city about to be torn apart by a million angry invaders! RFF, Toopoxia, Blackhelm, and I at one beach...

I understand what geographic composition means.

Outside the cities, my nation is a heavily polluted, scorched wasteland. SO, most warfare will either be urban or desert combat.

That's where my military excels, but my forces are too small compared to everyone else's.

Ouch... simpler, but think of the poor people in the city about to be torn apart by a million angry invaders! RFF, Toopoxia, Blackhelm, and I at one beach...

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DO IT!!!

mwaaahahahahaha!!!

Seriously for a second, that would seriously screw up your peoples LNI, are ye sure?

Uh... two nations, probably created today, with 0 posts come into a thread with very similar names and each pledges support to a different side...

Whose puppets are ye both?

@the Valle- twins

Uh... two nations, probably created today, with 0 posts come into a thread with very similar names and each pledges support to a different side...

Whose puppets are ye both?

@the Valle- twins
They're not mine...

And, about my people: Meh, shit happens. Hopefully, they won't jam up my tank treads.

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DO IT!!!

mwaaahahahahaha!!!

Seriously for a second, that would seriously screw up your peoples LNI, are ye sure?


Dude, I have a million troops there, then 2,500 tanks, and more on the way. I wouldn't agree if I didn't think I could handle it.


Also, I just launched a shit load of Tomahawk cruisemissles at you all. Those bastards don't miss much either. ;)

Your million troops, versus our combined forces. You aren't going to outnumber us by yourself. LNI probably has the biggest army here, since it's his homeland. I have 1.5 million (dying by the second) and about 100,000 tanks, plus... a lot of fleet assets.

If it's gonna be numbers, then you lose. I wouldn't recommend a head on battle with the combined army and fleets.

I still have that mecenary army over somewhere, too...

Your million troops, versus our combined forces. You aren't going to outnumber us by yourself. LNI probably has the biggest army here, since it's his homeland. I have 1.5 million (dying by the second) and about 100,000 tanks, plus... a lot of fleet assets.

If it's gonna be numbers, then you lose. I wouldn't recommend a head on battle with the combined army and fleets.

I still have that mecenary army over somewhere, too...


And I'm still sending troops over. Those are just what I have at the base. I can realisitcally field another million and a half and not break the 5% rule.

:)

Yeah... and I could realistically field... y'know... 20 million. But I'm not going to.

Mostly because the logistics on that would be crazy, and also because it would be so lame...LNI has an army of 10 million, or more. He doesn't need your entire army to help.

Argh, I'll be on tomorrow.

Yeah... and I could realistically field... y'know... 20 million. But I'm not going to.

Mostly because the logistics on that would be crazy, and also because it would be so lame...


I knew that, I'm just listing my limits mate :)


Anyway, shall we have some fun? *Gets back to the RP thread*

What I might have been trying to say, I'm tired so I don't know, or what I was going to say is: You don't want to send your whole army, anyways. Leaves you wide open if, say, I sent another army for your homeland.

I was going to post, but instead, I'm going to sleep. Sorry, I just can't think when I'm tired.

And I'm still sending troops over. Those are just what I have at the base. I can realisitcally field another million and a half and not break the 5% rule.

:)

it's 1% not 5%

Consider, in the Cold war Russia was barely holding onto a 2.5% army and that was Russia dude, the only real exception would be if you scrapped any post WWII tanks, used people in cloth and AK's and lost all your elites, other then that the only way you could see to building a decent 5% army is if you bordered a large psychopthic nation... Besides even if you do manage to reach 5% you wouldn't be able to deploy all of them at one time, the logistics would be a frikkin nightmare, sure you could ask to share LNI's logistics but then LNI's forces would go into the shitter cos he wouldn't have enough logistics.

You say you launched a crapload of Tomahawk missiles against me... research just done suggests that you'd either have a kikass navy firing many Tomahawks and a crap army or that you'd have a kikass army with a crap navy barely able to fire a couple of Tomahawks they found at thier local dump, choose one cos won't be able to have the other.

it's 1% not 5%

Consider, in the Cold war Russia was barely holding onto a 2.5% army and that was Russia dude, the only real exception would be if you scrapped any post WWII tanks, used people in cloth and AK's and lost all your elites, other then that the only way you could see to building a decent 5% army is if you bordered a large psychopthic nation... Besides even if you do manage to reach 5% you wouldn't be able to deploy all of them at one time, the logistics would be a frikkin nightmare, sure you could ask to share LNI's logistics but then LNI's forces would go into the shitter cos he wouldn't have enough logistics.

You say you launched a crapload of Tomahawk missiles against me... research just done suggests that you'd either have a kikass navy firing many Tomahawks and a crap army or that you'd have a kikass army with a crap navy barely able to fire a couple of Tomahawks they found at thier local dump, choose one cos won't be able to have the other.

I think the rule is 5% in the military, one percent fighting.

I think the rule is 5% in the military, one percent fighting.

aaaaah, I see where you're going with this, it's not 5% in the military it's 5% of your population who can fight, but seriously dude, I have 2% in my military and that's only cause of Hydac.

aaaaah, I see where you're going with this, it's not 5% in the military it's 5% of your population who can fight, but seriously dude, I have 2% in my military and that's only cause of Hydac.

No, no, what I'm saying is that it is 5% in your military. However, four of those five percents fall under logistics.

No, no, what I'm saying is that it is 5% in your military. However, four of those five percents fall under logistics.

what? no... I have 1% fighting and 1% logistics and command, it even says somewhere "your logistics should be around 40% of your military" and hell mine is, it's not 80% where'd you get that from?

Well, I have a thread telling the ratio of front line troops to logistics is between 1:7 and 1:11, that five percent is really the maximum you should have in the military, and that most nations use 1-2%

Logistics, War and Peace (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393153)

This (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275828)one says 50% of army/marines for logistics, 75% of navy and airforce.

So I guess there's some room for argument here. Anyways, he can have 80% of his military in logistics if he wants. He'll just have a very well supplied army.

Well, I have a thread telling the ratio of front line troops to logistics is between 1:7 and 1:11, that five percent is really the maximum you should have in the military, and that most nations use 1-2%

Logistics, War and Peace (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393153)

This (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275828)one says 50% of army/marines for logistics, 75% of navy and airforce.

So I guess there's some room for argument here. Anyways, he can have 80% of his military in logistics if he wants. He'll just have a very well supplied army.

Yeah, yeah I guess, but it still means he can't deploy his entire army here, that'd be waaaay too much of a strain, hell I have but 1 division deloyed so far.

Alright, I'll be gone from tommorow until Tuesday, don't let the IC thread die people...

Paging the Griffencrest Corporation AKA the Blackhelm Confed to the Weapons Importers thread, I have an offer that will interest you. :D

Well, I am excited. Lets hear it.

Well, I am excited. Lets hear it.

The thread has an offer for the Ziqiang advanced trainer, and the F-4 Navalized, I'm signing off for tonight.

I'll have a post up early tomorrow.

Well, I have a thread telling the ratio of front line troops to logistics is between 1:7 and 1:11, that five percent is really the maximum you should have in the military, and that most nations use 1-2%

Logistics, War and Peace (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393153)

This (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275828)one says 50% of army/marines for logistics, 75% of navy and airforce.

So I guess there's some room for argument here. Anyways, he can have 80% of his military in logistics if he wants. He'll just have a very well supplied army.

If we want to play with strictly numbers, Ftgan and I could send a 26 million man army each. It would just be hell, even if you had 99% of your army on logistics.

I think the rule is 5% in the military, one percent fighting.

Heh, my military is right around 1.15%, and that's including logistics. 'Course it hasn't stopped me from being victorious in every war I've fought. All these NSkiddies seem to think pure numbers mean everything. They come into the game wanting to throw 1-3 million people into a fight at once, and give no consideration to tactics of any kind.

Heh, my military is right around 1.15%, and that's including logistics. 'Course it hasn't stopped me from being victorious in every war I've fought. All these NSkiddies seem to think pure numbers mean everything. They come into the game wanting to throw 1-3 million people into a fight at once, and give no consideration to tactics of any kind.


But what if you use numbers, and tactics?

Then you are unstoppable.

But what if you use numbers, and tactics?

Then you are unstoppable.


You're still limited by how many you can deploy to the theatre. If you have a huge army, it's going to stretch your budget. Which means, trying to use 90% of your MASSIVE army in a foreign war 6,500 miles away is going to be ten times worse.

If you think it's a pain to feed 3 million people when they're in a barracks, try putting them across an ocean and spread them out on a war front.

In essence, very, very few NSkiddies have any idea what it takes to fight overseas. I've seen noob nations of like 150 million trying to land 1 million troops on a beach in one wave.. using a handful of cruisers, destroyers and battleships.

Ah yes. Also, I'll toss my hat in on LNI's side. It's in the interests of Feluca that Toopoxia and Blackhelm get their asses whipped again.

Besides, Feluca feels obligated to look after Hydrac. ;)

If we want to play with strictly numbers, Ftgan and I could send a 26 million man army each. It would just be hell, even if you had 99% of your army on logistics.

Think about how many ships you'd need just to transport that many! I don't know if even my budget could support that many.

Oh yeah, I'm starting to deploy troops farther away from Gilin (in a post I have yet to write), because I really want to be able to get my army's big guns to bear on the city's defenses. I can't do that so well when they are dying shortly after landing on the beach.

There's still going to be people coming at the beach with RFF and Toopoxia, though, just to keep you busy.

Hey Ftagn, what's the situation there currently? What areas do you and your allies occupy?

Hey Ftagn, what's the situation there currently? What areas do you and your allies occupy?


They don't hold anything that I'm aware of. ANything they land, I've pretty much killed lol


They only person who seems to be able to land things without it dying before it gets ten yards on the beach is Blackhelm.


I could be mistaken of course.

Well, I've had to deal with him in the past. He refuses to take casulties. Heh.. he once tried to rush entrenched tanks with pickup trucks, and claimed he could get close enough to inflict damage. :rolleyes:

Well, I've had to deal with him in the past. He refuses to take casulties. Heh.. he once tried to rush entrenched tanks with pickup trucks, and claimed he could get close enough to inflict damage. :rolleyes:



Who?

lol pickup trucks wouldn't stand a chance against any tank. Probably not even a MKV :)

Who?

lol pickup trucks wouldn't stand a chance against any tank. Probably not even a MKV :)

Blackhelm.

He had guys with RPG-7s in the back.. he claimed he could bumrush hull-down tanks and somehow .. manage to hit them with RPGs from the backs of moving trucks.

>.<

Blackhelm.

He had guys with RPG-7s in the back.. he claimed he could bumrush hull-down tanks and somehow .. manage to hit them with RPGs from the backs of moving trucks.

>.<


He's been pretty generous with casulties with me. I've killed quite a few of his men. He's not done anything unreasonable either.

He's been pretty generous with casulties with me. I've killed quite a few of his men. He's not done anything unreasonable either.

Maybe he took it to heart and made reforms after I pretty much cancelled the RP due to him not taking appropriate losses. *nod* I hope so.

Some guy is sending in 26.5 million troops...

Some guy is sending in 26.5 million troops...

On who's side?

Anyone know where LNI's got to? We can't have this RP without him...

Blackhelm, what has the CEO got for family? And would they be somewhere where an assination attempt could conceivably be made? Suffice to say, I don't make idle threats.

Anyone know where LNI's got to? We can't have this RP without him...


Afraid not mate. I haven't heard from him in a few days.

Blackhelm, what has the CEO got for family? And would they be somewhere where an assination attempt could conceivably be made? Suffice to say, I don't make idle threats.

His wife is like impossible to find, and his son is apparently off planet in the arena thread

His wife is like impossible to find, and his son is apparently off planet in the arena thread

Ah. How about a mother/father?

His wife is like impossible to find, and his son is apparently off planet in the arena thread

*Chokes*

Nonononoinononono!

No off planetness I've had bad experiences with people claiming to be "offplanet" in MT/PMT, it just means that although we'll be able to stop your forces on planet you'll still be able to rebuild without us stopping ye...

Hes like 70

*Chokes*

Nonononoinononono!

No off planetness I've had bad experiences with people claiming to be "offplanet" in MT/PMT, it just means that although we'll be able to stop your forces on planet you'll still be able to rebuild without us stopping ye...

I didnt no it was off planet till i signed him up, and its just that one guy

Hes like 70

Did the CEO ship him off to a retirement home? I do think that killing dear daddy would drive home the point that they're not screwing around.

Did the CEO ship him off to a retirement home? I do think that killing dear daddy would drive home the point that they're not screwing around.


Man, thats sociopathic. I love it! You're special forces and mine would get along really well :)

No the CEO is like 70, both parents are long dead, he has a brother he doesnt really like though

No the CEO is like 70, both parents are long dead, he has a brother he doesnt really like though

Meh. How about a butler/valet he gets along with really well? Or a favorite mistress?

Mistress would work

Meh. How about a butler/valet he gets along with really well? Or a favorite mistress?


Or a child. If he has another child, kidnap him/her, and do one simple thing. Leave a message on his answering machine with them screaming.


I think you shadow men would be more than willing to execute that operation.

Or a child. If he has another child, kidnap him/her, and do one simple thing. Leave a message on his answering machine with them screaming.


I think you shadow men would be more than willing to execute that operation.

Yeah, but I got the impression that he's only got the one kid, and he's off world.

Yeah, but I got the impression that he's only got the one kid, and he's off world.


Ah, ok. Go for the mistress then.

WJ, give me the links to the posts you want me to respond to please.

Alright. Who wants me as their ally?
I'm currently allies with WJ, and Aeson. They've been my friends since back in the Civil War.

Alright. Who wants me as their ally?
I'm currently allies with WJ, and Aeson. They've been my friends since back in the Civil War.

Wait, which civil war was this?

WJ, give me the links to the posts you want me to respond to please.

Who is WJ?

Wanderjar? or someone else?

that's great Deph dude, I'll update the sides list.

Toopoxia:
RFF
Blackhelm
Ftagn

LNI:
Wanderjar
Dephire
the Aeson
Hydac

tell me who I've missed.

Err. Oh, Wanderjar you weren't in that one. Nevermind about the Civil War. You are still an ally.

Who is WJ?

Wanderjar? or someone else?

yes that would be you, WJ, or WanderJar

Army:

20 Million Foot Soldiers-
(8 Million actually in Combat)
These are divided, of course, between the several different kinds of foot soldiers that there currently are in the United States.

Fifty Thousand Tanks-
Crews of five men per tank.
(250,000 Men Total)

Eight Hundred Artillery Cannons (Mobile)-
Crews of Three.
(24,000 Men Total)

Five Hundred Apache Hellicopters-
Crews of Two.
(1,000 Men Total)

Two Hundred And Fifty F-35's-
One Man Each
(250 Total)

Sixteen Hundred SAM's (Mobile)-
Two Man Maintenance Crew Per Fifty Sites
(64 Men Total)

Stonehenge Crews-
(500 Men Total)

Dominator Cannon Defense System-
(750 Men Total)

Seventeen Thousand Humvees-*
Crews of Up to Seven Men Each
(Up To 119,000 Men Total)

Fourteen Hundred Missle Launcher Truck Units-
Crews of Two Men Each
(2,800 Men Total)

Fifteen Hundred Comanche Helicopters-
(1,500 Men Total)

Ninteen Hundred Distribution Ships
(Naval Barracks for the Army)

Navy:

Fourteen Hundred Capital-Ranked Battleships-
Crews of Two Thousand Each
(2,800,000 Total Sailors)

Sixteen Capital-Ranked Aircraft Carriers-
Crews of Ten Thousand Each [Includes Pilots]
(160,000 Sailors/Pilots Total)

Five Thousand Capital-Ranked Destroyers-
Crews of Five Hundred Each
(2,500,000 Sailors Total)

Fifty Nuclear Submarines-
Crews of Eight Hundred Each
(40,000 Sailors Total)

One Capital-Ranked Flagship Carrier-
(30,000 Sailors/Pilots)

Sixteen Hundred F-18E's-**
Crews of Two Each
(3,200 Pilots Total)

One Thousand Su-47's-**
(1,000 Pilots Total)

Eighteen Hundred Aegis Cruisers-
Crews of Four Hundred Each
(720,000 Sailors Total)

Air Force:

Two Thousand Su-47's-
(2,000 Pilots Total)

One Hundred B-52 StratoFortresses-
Crews of Twenty
(20,000 Pilots Total)

One Thousand F-18E's-
(2,000 Pilots Total)

One Hundred B-1 Bombers-
Crews of Two Each
(200 Pilots)

Two Hundred B-2 Bombers-
Crews of Two Each
(400 Pilots)

Four Hundred F-35's-
(400 Pilots Total)

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OOC2: This is as detailed as I can get it. The total forces would be, 26,553,864. Now, Keep in mind that not all of these are on the bloody land! Also, they are not sent in all at once.

*: The Humvees are controlled by troops within the Fifty Million Soldiers.
**: The pilots are included as the pilots for the Air Craft Carriers, Etc.

that's great Deph dude, I'll update the sides list.

Toopoxia:
RFF
Blackhelm

LNI:
Wanderjar
Dephire
the Aeson
Hydac

tell me who I've missed.

You missed TPF. I guess everyone was too caught up in looking at my forces that everyone missed his bloody 31 million.

I have no idea which side TPF is going on, soooo...

I have no idea which side TPF is going on, soooo...


He's with New Ireland. He joined the GASN.

Also, he is an extremely personal ally of mine. So, beware.

So you're saying that there are FIFTY MILLION SOLDIERS? By the way Toop, you missed Ftgan.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that I've deployed a number of troops not confirmed here but certainly less than fifty.

So I win.

So you're saying that there are FIFTY MILLION SOLDIERS? By the way Toop, you missed Ftgan.


Huh? No..

Wow... Toop, do you think it's time I succumb, and send a massive force yet? Or should I just wait for LNI?

Well hell, it's the popular thing to do, let's all send rediculously large forces and then we can all have tea.

oh and which side is Ftagn on?

Ours.

that's great Deph dude, I'll update the sides list.

Toopoxia:
RFF
Blackhelm
Ftagn

LNI:
Wanderjar
Dephire
the Aeson
Hydac

tell me who I've missed.


Ustia is with LNI, he's sending a force. Hataria might be sending one as well to aid us.

Ustia is with LNI, he's sending a force. Hataria might be sending one as well to aid us.

I'm in with LNI.

But.. for the love of god, do NOT allow Hataria into this RP. He is one of the worst RPers on this entire forum. Godmodes, uses unrealistic numbers, refuses to take losses... and if something happens that puts them on the losing end, they'll "void" it.

Sign me up.

Anyone know where LNI's got to? We can't have this RP without him...
Afraid not mate. I haven't heard from him in a few days.

Uh, yeah, sorry I haven't been around. I don't really have a good excuse, but the main reason's I haven't been RPing are that:
-I've been going through some personal problems for the past few days, and they've been getting between me and the 'net, and they've been affecting the quality of my posting

-I was embarrassed for blowing up at RFF

-And I haven't really like the quality of my RPing on this thread. I think it's shoddy storytelling, and I've kind of been hoping the thread will die, so I can retry it, and make it more narrative, rather than statistical, like this thread has been

The problem with this is that I'm fighting on my home ground, which means I HAVE to be statistical, to try and save my ass. It would be better (for me) if we were fighting in an NPC nation, or someone else's territory.

OOC: Yay, LNI is back

Can my new little minion play? Its Beiraq, I"ll stick his men along with my troops, and make sure he doesnt do anything noobish. We are rather outnumbered, and he is my new "associate"

OOC: Yay, LNI is back

Can my new little minion play? Its Beiraq, I"ll stick his men along with my troops, and make sure he doesnt do anything noobish. We are rather outnumbered, and he is my new "associate"

I've no complaints, although you should note I'm not done with you yet, Griffencrest. I told you I don't make idle threats.

You blew up my babe, ain't that enough?

You blew up my babe, ain't that enough?


Remember blackhelm, I'm still at war with you aswell, and my GSG-9 men are out and about somewhere....

You blew up my babe, ain't that enough?

If you had pulled out, it would have been. But since instead increased your numbers...

Can you guys sign me up on Blackhelms side?

Can you guys sign me up on Blackhelms side?

Just as long as you know what you're getting yourself into.

He (she?) is a big boy (girl?) now and I am sure is capable of doing something in the conflict.

He and boy

I know, I'll probaly get blown apart, but w/e

Can you guys sign me up on Blackhelms side?



I see Blackhelm is really wanting to fight us now. Too bad, I was defending him on our Forum. Oh well, experiance is the best teacher.

He (she?) is a big boy (girl?) now and I am sure is capable of doing something in the conflict.

Yes, but it is hypothetically possible that I might send a Shadowman after a government official that had something to do with accepting Blackhelm's offer, especially if my current plan falls through. Hypothetically, of course.

Yes, but it is hypothetically possible that I might send a Shadowman after a government official that had something to do with accepting Blackhelm's offer, especially if my current plan falls through. Hypothetically, of course.


Oo! ooo! GSG-9 wants to help!!

*Locks and loads MP5*

Aw, leave the shadowmen out of Beiraq, he is to new for them, let him get his feet we first

I'm going to revise my forces yet again because of people still whining all the time.

The NAvy and Airforce are going to stay the same.

The Army's total troops have been reduced to eight million.

These are divided up, so that helps with the logistical crap.

I want an evil grin smiley. Well, we'll see. I do feel slightly flattered that someone can be 'too new' for my special forces.

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Aw, leave the shadowmen out of Beiraq, he is to new for them, let him get his feet we first


Then what about GSG-9? Can I play with him?

If you have to. Just do me the favor and not kill his...whatever he calls his leader

OOC:My own JTAF will be happy to assist, the JointTacticalAssualtForce .....the best in my nation, mostly black ops stuff very hush hush.. :)

If you have to. Just do me the favor and not kill his...whatever he calls his leader

How bout his leader's family?

How bout his leader's family?


You had to beat me too it?

In case you tards didn't notice. LNI basicly said he's done with this. People don't know how to roleplay, don't know how to describe war.. heh.

I can't blame him. I've been reading through the main thread.. and you people COMPLETELY ruined it with your OOC and 3 line roleplaying. Hell.. some of you posted more OOC than IC in that thread.

LNI has every right to be pissed off.

In case you tards didn't notice. LNI basicly said he's done with this. People don't know how to roleplay, don't know how to describe war.. heh.

I can't blame him. I've been reading through the main thread.. and you people COMPLETELY ruined it with your OOC and 3 line roleplaying. Hell.. some of you posted more OOC than IC in that thread.

LNI has every right to be pissed off.

Actually, I think he said that he was disappointed with his RPing.

-And I haven't really like the quality of my RPing on this thread. I think it's shoddy storytelling, and I've kind of been hoping the thread will die, so I can retry it, and make it more narrative, rather than statistical, like this thread has been

I'm fine if he wants to restart the thread though, although I suppose my opinion on it doesn't matter one way or the other.

How about like his secreatry or something

It was ruined with OOC and general stupidity. People just blindly throwing numbers around like it means anything. >.>

*cough* small group of special forces *cough*

Accuse me of three-lining (though I think I stayed away from that) OOCing (Aye, I admit that I was, to some extent, guilty of that) and general bad RPing if you want, but you can't say that I was number wanking.

It was ruined with OOC and general stupidity. People just blindly throwing numbers around like it means anything. >.>


Two words: Piss off


And in general, I feel we RPd quite well. There were alot of unnecessary OOC posts, but that means little to me.

Two words: Piss off

Mmm. No.

I'm being serious when I say, the thread was ruined by number-spew and OOC. Go take a look at that thread, and tell me how many times you posted OOC instead of using this thread. Then tell me to piss off, kiddo.

Mmm. No.

I'm being serious when I say, the thread was ruined by number-spew and OOC. Go take a look at that thread, and tell me how many times you posted OOC instead of using this thread. Then tell me to piss off, kiddo.


I'll agree with you on one regard. The number spew was a problem. But the RPing was not bad. So you cannot insult us on that.

I'll agree with you on one regard. The number spew was a problem. But the RPing was not bad. So you cannot insult us on that.
Actually, Xeno was, to a certain extent, right. The RPing on the thread was not very good.

But I really don't blame anyone for the poor RPing. I know you are all good at RPing, if the circumstances are right. The problem was, I set the story up poorly, and the RP just spiraled out of control. Oops.

As of right now, I'm ending my involvement in the current thread.
However, I AM willing to restart it, on this condition: the tactics and strategy takes a backseat to storytelling.

My plan is, assuming everyone agrees with this, is that I will narrate the overall events of the war (i.e. this division defeats that division at Gilin, etc. I will be fair and I think that Toopoxia and I will decide the results of each battle beforehand), while everyone RPs individual soldiers, or units at the company level, caught up in the war.

You know what? I was about to suggest we do that! -laughs-
I personally hate saying or hearing, "The submarines fired torpedos." Instead, why not say something more personal and inside the eyes/shoes of individual men and women who are fighting?

I was a bit pissed myself with all the numbers, I much prefer a narrative RP and in this RP I got to a point where I was just skimming the posts for the word "Toopoxia" also it had got to the point where my side were being rather quickly and largely outnumbered by members of the GASN who-ever that is, so yeah people I say we restart this when LNI's feeling better and when we've sorted out a better plot, in the meantime I have a story arc to plot...

Actually, Xeno was, to a certain extent, right. The RPing on the thread was not very good.

But I really don't blame anyone for the poor RPing. I know you are all good at RPing, if the circumstances are right. The problem was, I set the story up poorly, and the RP just spiraled out of control. Oops.

As of right now, I'm ending my involvement in the current thread.
However, I AM willing to restart it, on this condition: the tactics and strategy takes a backseat to storytelling.

My plan is, assuming everyone agrees with this, is that I will narrate the overall events of the war (i.e. this division defeats that division at Gilin, etc. I will be fair and I think that Toopoxia and I will decide the results of each battle beforehand), while everyone RPs individual soldiers, or units at the company level, caught up in the war.

Can I still RP Shadowmen?

Can I still RP Shadowmen?
Why not? It's not like you can just throw around their numbers.

Why not? It's not like you can just throw around their numbers.

Just to make sure, I'll say here, I'm not going to deploy any more than twenty-five Shadowmen at any given time.

Just to make sure, I'll say here, I'm not going to deploy any more than twenty-five Shadowmen at any given time.
WHAT?! THAT"S UNNACCEPTABLE!!!

Just kiddin'. Just make sure some of them have identities (even if they are psychopathic killers or whatever...)

I'm sorry if I seemed a bit rash on the size of my forces alone. I did not see a limit, and so I assumed that 2% was a decent size. Forgive me. Now, about this new thread. When can we expect it?

I agree with LNI and Xeno 100%. I'm not good with statistical wars at all. >< I'd be interested in roleplaying if we redo this though. My suggestion is this; We decide beforehand who wins the battles, and such, then we can make a longer, more detailed post.

I'm blunt and heavy-handed (heavy-pawed) but I tend to dig the root of the problem up. *nod*

RPing the battle from a mercenary's point of view? Interesting...when will it start?

RPing the battle from a mercenary's point of view? Interesting...when will it start?
Well, when Toopoxia gets back on, we can plan out the first few battles of the war, and then I guess it can begin.


I've had an idea for an RP for the past week or two, so, just out of curiousity, it there anyone interested in joining a survival horror-style RP?

Well, when Toopoxia gets back on, we can plan out the first few battles of the war, and then I guess it can begin.


I've had an idea for an RP for the past week or two, so, just out of curiousity, it there anyone interested in joining a survival horror-style RP?

I think Blackhelm beat you to it. Look a couple threads below.

OOC:Im interested, and Liberated New Ireland im sure you seen the troops i had bound for your nation..would you like them to come anyways to be there incase anything goes down in the future?

If you look at the actual thread i posted my numbers, please inform me of your decision.

Ships:
4-Nimitz class carriers
12-SuperDreadnaughts(Iowa Class)
8-Los Angeles Class submarines
10-Delaware class battleships
6-Montana class battleships

_______________________
Aircraft:

8-C-17 Globemasters
6-C-130 Hercules
12-F-22 Raptors
10-CF-18 Hornets
16/ addional/ F-16 Tomcats
4-Stealth fighter
4-Stealth B2 bombers
________________________
Helicoptors:

10-UH60 Blackhawks
10-CH47 Chinook Cargo helicoptors
12-AH-1 Cobra Attack helicoptors
8-OH-58D Kiowa Warrior Armed scout helicoptors
10-AH-64A Apache attack helicoptors
8-AH64D Apache Longbow helicoptors
________________________
Armored:

100-M1 Abrams
100-C2 leopards
100-Bradley M2A2
100-Bison Armored infantry APC's

_______________________
Ostian Weapons:

Standard assult rifle:

C7-A2

Standard issue pistol:

H&K P3000

Support weapons:

M29-SAW
LAW
C-9

Sniper Rifles:

PSG-1
M40

Also five million personell...

Reallydrunk']OOC:Im interested, and Liberated New Ireland im sure you seen the troops i had bound for your nation..would you like them to come anyways to be there incase anything goes down in the future?

If you look at the actual thread i posted my numbers, please inform me of your decision.
If you can RP well as a character, you're welcome to join. However, your troops are basically at the mercy of me and Toopoxia, if this new plan works out. I promise I'll be fair to them, but I don't want anyone just using numbers to get through the thread. Fair?

If you can RP well as a character, you're welcome to join. However, your troops are basically at the mercy of me and Toopoxia, if this new plan works out. I promise I'll be fair to them, but I don't want anyone just using numbers to get through the thread. Fair?

Im on your side? im GASN..? arn't you?

The majority of the Rp's i have done have been charactor...it's my best field

Reallydrunk']Im on your side? im GASN..? arn't you?

The majority of the Rp's i have done have been charactor...it's my best field
...Oh...
I thought you were on Toopixia's side, for some reason.
But what I said still DOES apply, because Toops has an equal voice in deciding how the overall war will go.

Reallydrunk']OOC:Im interested, and Liberated New Ireland im sure you seen the troops i had bound for your nation..would you like them to come anyways to be there incase anything goes down in the future?

If you look at the actual thread i posted my numbers, please inform me of your decision.

Ships:
4-Nimitz class carriers
12-SuperDreadnaughts(Iowa Class)
8-Los Angeles Class submarines
10-Delaware class battleships
6-Montana class battleships

_______________________
Aircraft:

8-C-17 Globemasters
6-C-130 Hercules
12-F-22 Raptors
10-CF-18 Hornets
16/ addional/ F-16 Tomcats
4-Stealth fighter
4-Stealth B2 bombers
________________________
Helicoptors:

10-UH60 Blackhawks
10-CH47 Chinook Cargo helicoptors
12-AH-1 Cobra Attack helicoptors
8-OH-58D Kiowa Warrior Armed scout helicoptors
10-AH-64A Apache attack helicoptors
8-AH64D Apache Longbow helicoptors
________________________
Armored:

100-M1 Abrams
100-C2 leopards
100-Bradley M2A2
100-Bison Armored infantry APC's

_______________________
Ostian Weapons:

Standard assult rifle:

C7-A2

Standard issue pistol:

H&K P3000

Support weapons:

M29-SAW
LAW
C-9

Sniper Rifles:

PSG-1
M40

Also five million personell...


5 million soldiers.. are you frigging retarded? Seriously. What part about number-spewing don't you understand?

Lets at least pretend to be realistic for just 5 minutes. Think about how hard it is to feed 1,000 people. Now. Take those 1,000 people and spread them out in small groups on the side of a wooded mountain and see how much harder it gets.

MRE (Meals Ready to Eat) cost about 5 bucks each. That's good for one meal. Now times that by 3 .. usually by 5 if you're working your troops heavily and you get between 15 and 25 dollars per soldier per day just to feed them.

That's not counting the money it costs to deliver water to them.

Factor in ammunition, medical supplies, health products, basic essentials (Toilet paper, water purification tablets, solid cooking fuel, batteries for night vision - radios - flashlights - laptop computers), vehicle and aviation fuel, maintaince for said vehicles and aircraft, combat pay and a dozen other things you're probably paying 1,000 dollars per day, per soldier you have in the field.

That's ASSUMING you can somehow squeeze 5 million people onto:
4-Nimitz class carriers
12-SuperDreadnaughts(Iowa Class)
8-Los Angeles Class submarines
10-Delaware class battleships
6-Montana class battleships

- and you made no mention of transports.

Now, times that by 5 million.. and you get the magic number: 5 billion.

That's about 5 billion dollars PER DAY just to keep your infantry alive. That says nothing about what it costs to keep a ship going, or HOW you plan to transport food and water to feed your troops. Not to mention the really heavy ammuntion for aircraft, vehicles and ships:
Guided missiles
Cruise missiles
AAMs
SAMs
SSMs
Bombs (You could load a C-130 with bombs .. it's weight, not space, and not have enough for more than 1 strike aircraft's payload)

... sigh. Why do I have to give these lectures?

OOC: Ok, my men will hold at sea.

There is not 5 million with them! that is what i am sending over the period of time!

Uh, Xeno, he didn't say 5 million soldiers, he said 5 million personnel. I assume that includes logistics crews, pilots, ground crew for the aircraft, and crew for the ships themselves. So... really, I don't know what that works out to, but that seriously reduces the numbers of fighting soldiers that he has to worry about...

Uh, Xeno, he didn't say 5 million soldiers, he said 5 million personnel. I assume that includes logistics crews, pilots, ground crew for the aircraft, and crew for the ships themselves. So... really, I don't know what that works out to, but that seriously reduces the numbers of fighting soldiers that he has to worry about...

OOC: Yes, Personell! you got it! ^^^^^

That is over a period of time aswell, i have military transport freighters...im sending as many that i can get crammed into those vessels/aircraft i got

Why do we even such massive amounts of Militray's, Hell, a million men is Pushing it, and it more than enough.

Why do we even such massive amounts of Militray's, Hell, a million men is Pushing it, and it more than enough.

It's kind of an arms race sort of thing. If one person has that many troops, everyone else has to to counter it.

OOC: I can reduce the numbers..that is what i was prepared to send in the previous conflict....it was nessasary at the time...

An Arms race?
Im ready with my one million men

An Arms race?
Im ready with my one million men

Same theory. If everyone limited their millitary, and then one person didn't, then they would have a massive advantage, and no one wants that...

OCC: Yes. So for the purposes if this RP, why dont we put a cap on?

OCC: Yes. So for the purposes if this RP, why dont we put a cap on?

OOC: Hey, don't talk to me about that. First, I'm not setting the rules. Second, as I've said, I'm deploying way less men than anyone else.

OOC: I will deploy equal to my allies......i was told by Wandjar i would need ALOT of men.

well the threads over now anyways.

yeah i seen that...o well, maybe for the better...what was the reason ? lack of structure?

General Stupidity

Reallydrunk']yeah i seen that...o well, maybe for the better...what was the reason ? lack of structure?
Lack of structure, poor story, I wasn't around for awhile...

So, yeah, general stupidity just about sums it up.

Too bad, ill find another war to fight with GriffinCrest

So can we just make like a fake Blitz run and just bomb everything, even though it won't count?

So can we just make like a fake Blitz run and just bomb everything, even though it won't count?

If you should feel the need to use such resources to do so? lol

You guys realise we're restarting the thread, to make it better, right?

I might even participate, if the rules are adjusted to the point where individuals have control of their forces but are under strict realism guidelines.

Also, an announced Troop Restriction (Say like...err {00.5%} of total population.)

hmm, oh sorry I was playing CivIII, classic game, but I won't go into that, yes I was about to suggest planned ahead battles, but maybe we should plan them in TG's as not to spoil the suspense...

hmm, oh sorry I was playing CivIII, classic game, but I won't go into that, yes I was about to suggest planned ahead battles, but maybe we should plan them in TG's as not to spoil the suspense...
CivIII? Never played it, but I always wanted to...

Alright, I still think the initial landings should be at Gilin.

Out of curiosity, do you want to join a survival horror RP? I'm trying to get people to join...

CivIII? Never played it, but I always wanted to...

Alright, I still think the initial landings should be at Gilin.

Out of curiosity, do you want to join a survival horror RP? I'm trying to get people to join...

I glanced over it, didn't really seem to tickle my fancy, I'm with you at Gilin, who's gonna win, I reckon it should be a small victory for my side otherwise this war just aint gonna happen.

I glanced over it, didn't really seem to tickle my fancy, I'm with you at Gilin, who's gonna win, I reckon it should be a small victory for my side otherwise this war just aint gonna happen.
Yeah, Toopoxican forces'll break through. Any Irish forces in the city will fight a guerilla war...

What's wrong with my RP?

Yeah, Toopoxican forces'll break through. Any Irish forces in the city will fight a guerilla war...

What's wrong with my RP?

Well there aren't that many options for those of us wanting a dark hero, and right now Dark Heroes are popular, I mean if you like added the roles of Criminal, PI, Bounty Hunter, Military Accident then you might get a few more hits, the concept has also been done, many times...

Well there aren't that many options for those of us wanting a dark hero, and right now Dark Heroes are popular, I mean if you like added the roles of Criminal, PI, Bounty Hunter, Military Accident then you might get a few more hits, the concept has also been done, many times...
As for Criminal and PI, those both fall under "Resident". Damn.
I'd figure people would ASK if they wanted to play bounty hunter or military accident, but, honestly, I didn't want fifty good-hearted heroes with a dark past, you know? Zombie movies are all about regular people, not heroes.

And, anyway, I have never seen a zombie RP on this forum.

Military Accident? As in a biological experiment gone wrong or what?

I would like my main force(600,000 total) to be attacking Gilin, and the DMG legions I hired, reinforced with some RFF troops(Around 400,000 total, give or take) to be attacking the southern border. Keep in mind, those numbers include logistics and such.

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