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Hey, Tadjik. Here's the deal.

I'm going for the Mahrattas too (Bagsy fingers crossed no safe the Battle of Assaye.), how's about a tag team? Look out for landings on the east coast.

I'd prefer if noone destroyed any of those kingdoms, atleast not yet. So if you land in India, try to keep your colony small or take something in the grey area.

@Candestein. Im not sure if you've ever RP'ed a war before, but that is generally how it is done. My plans for invasion, ya, they are just that, plans. They are not what is actually happening. Those lines? They are where my men are supposed to be going. Of course they're not simply going to be able to get there! You're supposed to counter them, and stop them from getting there.

A godmod is when I say. 'My men have sucessfully defeated your armies, taken your capital, and run your country'. I said many times, my men, EXPECTED little resistance. Does that mean there is no resistance? NO! The attacker does not get to decide if the enemy fights back, the enemy does. If you spent a few more minutes countering my attack, and a few less complaining, this war would be well underway. You handled this terribly, absolutely terribly, it is no suprise that the majority of threads have banned you from their RP's.

Instead of complaining without end, and attempting to get me banned, you should probably RP, and stop complaining. There was no godmod in my RP, for god sakes, there wasnt even an attack. The movements are simply where they are supposed to go, not where they are. My movements in Northern Belgium? Yes, youre right, it gos through the middle of your territory... so instead of screaming godmod for five days, RP youre forces gathering, fighting me before they get that far. This is a sad, sad display... you merely embarass yourself by acting like this. Quiting because too many people attacked you... give me a break.

Ansu, if you're getting involved with India, you'll want relations with me as the local naval power. Say hello on my thread.

I'd just like to say I fully support Terror in India... I have substantial interests there, and considering the many colonies already there, a Monroe doctrine seems a bit misplaced. If you were to claim a Monroe doctrine over Anatolia, no one would object, but over a large, populous, rich, and diverse place as India? Already four other nations have interests there.

Also, bear in mind that Mysore and Hyderabad are feuding quite a bit of the time; it's very hard to be friends with both of them.

thus my focus on africa :D i would be going for south america too.. but it's kinda big and orange, last i looked.

@Candestein. Im not sure if you've ever RP'ed a war before, but that is generally how it is done. My plans for invasion, ya, they are just that, plans. They are not what is actually happening. Those lines? They are where my men are supposed to be going. Of course they're not simply going to be able to get there! You're supposed to counter them, and stop them from getting there.

A godmod is when I say. 'My men have sucessfully defeated your armies, taken your capital, and run your country'. I said many times, my men, EXPECTED little resistance. Does that mean there is no resistance? NO! The attacker does not get to decide if the enemy fights back, the enemy does. If you spent a few more minutes countering my attack, and a few less complaining, this war would be well underway. You handled this terribly, absolutely terribly, it is no suprise that the majority of threads have banned you from their RP's.

Instead of complaining without end, and attempting to get me banned, you should probably RP, and stop complaining. There was no godmod in my RP, for god sakes, there wasnt even an attack. The movements are simply where they are supposed to go, not where they are. My movements in Northern Belgium? Yes, youre right, it gos through the middle of your territory... so instead of screaming godmod for five days, RP youre forces gathering, fighting me before they get that far. This is a sad, sad display... you merely embarass yourself by acting like this. Quiting because too many people attacked you... give me a break.

Just to tell you I have only been banned from two threads. That is all I have to say. Also yes I have never rp a year before, so can you give me some slack.

Also I have decided to quit this rp since it seems as though I'm not ready and I just don't like thinking around controling vast armies. So I guess now my territory is up for grabs.

Ohhh....the war in Europe was going to be so fun!

...I have only been banned from two threads.

Sorry, but that made me laugh :D

Clan Ansu, and others, you're welcome to drop by. This is to your advantage for trading/alliance purposes, and advisable if you have ANY colonial intent in southern Africa and SE Asia, as my nation sees them very much as it's patch. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482110&page=7)

Also I have decided to quit this rp since it seems as though I'm not ready and I just don't like thinking around controling vast armies. So I guess now my territory is up for grabs.

Tip for the future... if you are unsure about somthing, ask a question. Dont scream godmod and attempt to get the person banned.

I'd just like to say I fully support Terror in India... I have substantial interests there, and considering the many colonies already there, a Monroe doctrine seems a bit misplaced. If you were to claim a Monroe doctrine over Anatolia, no one would object, but over a large, populous, rich, and diverse place as India? Already four other nations have interests there.

Also, bear in mind that Mysore and Hyderabad are feuding quite a bit of the time; it's very hard to be friends with both of them.

Whether someone objects to what I (want to) do in India is not my concern really, just as the US does not care what others think when they interfere somewhere. I will do what is required to maintain my position

In the real world they may be feuding, here they arent. And even then, its prefectly possible to be friends with both. The Pakistani's were friends with Massoud and Hekmatyar in the eighties and those two were like water and fire.

I regard India as my area of influence and anyone who arrives here should know that the local kingdoms(the muslim ones) support me (one more than the other).

Whether someone objects to what I (want to) do in India is not my concern really, just as the US does not care what others think when they interfere somewhere. I will do what is required to maintain my position

That position is only tenable when you are the strongest power. Unfortunately for your position, Incognitia has a clear interest in India, and we will not be intimidated into withdrawal.

That position is only tenable when you are the strongest power. Unfortunately for your position, Incognitia has a clear interest in India,
On land, I am the strongest power and I dont need ships to reach India.

and we will not be intimidated into withdrawal.
neither will we...

I will let you have Canadstein's colonies, for a suitable consideration. But without that, they will be mine one way or another.

The strongest power on land? and by what means do you claim this status?

...Humph..

How would i go about claiming Morocco?

I think he meant strongest on land in India. And I'd suggest you go conquer it if you wannit.

I think he meant strongest on land in India. And I'd suggest you go conquer it if you wannit.

It is NPC though....

Gah, in and around India then if we're being picky.

I think our nations should talk Clan Ansu...

Whether someone objects to what I (want to) do in India is not my concern really, just as the US does not care what others think when they interfere somewhere. I will do what is required to maintain my position

In the real world they may be feuding, here they arent. And even then, its prefectly possible to be friends with both. The Pakistani's were friends with Massoud and Hekmatyar in the eighties and those two were like water and fire.

I regard India as my area of influence and anyone who arrives here should know that the local kingdoms(the muslim ones) support me (one more than the other).
With all due respect, you are not the most unbiased person to be deciding whether the Indian states are feuding or not. Since they are almost exactly similar to IRL, there is quite a reasonable chance they would behave like IRL. I'm not saying you can't be friends with two feuding nations, but neither of them will trust you if you are supporting their enemy.

It is reasonable for you to RP making allies in India, but just saying 'they support me' doesn't make it so. This is like in the PT RP when Spizania said that all the tribes of North Africa were their allies- you can't really do that with NPCs. If you RP meeting them and another RPer plays for them and accepts an alliance, then that's fine. But just saying that they're allied to you because they're Muslim is not a good reason.

Caladonn, i was thinking about Nova Scotia in the america's? how do you feel about that my friend...sence we are allies it could be used as a gate way to and from Europe...what do you say?

Reallydrunk']Caladonn, i was thinking about Nova Scotia in the america's? how do you feel about that my friend...sence we are allies it could be used as a gate way to and from Europe...what do you say?
Well, I assume from this that you want to colonise it. If that's the case, I'd say go ahead, I'm all for it. I don't have any colonisation expectations that far north, and it'd really be a benefit to our trade etc.

Well, I assume from this that you want to colonise it. If that's the case, I'd say go ahead, I'm all for it. I don't have any colonisation expectations that far north, and it'd really be a benefit to our trade etc.

Wonderful, i shall get right on it then...i guess i will be fighting NPC indians?

Reallydrunk']I think our nations should talk Clan Ansu...

What about?

Diplomatic relations of course....

I neglected to mention we're already kinda talking.

Reallydrunk']Diplomatic relations of course....

Oh, good. I thought I'd done something wrong. I'll get on it.

EDIT: BTW, I made a Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483222), in case you didn't see. So that you can put it on the first post, with the list of them.

With all due respect, you are not the most unbiased person to be deciding whether the Indian states are feuding or not. Since they are almost exactly similar to IRL, there is quite a reasonable chance they would behave like IRL. I'm not saying you can't be friends with two feuding nations, but neither of them will trust you if you are supporting their enemy.
I'm friends with them and they trust me, simply because I am aiding both in their struggle against the unbelievers, because all our nations have the same background and religion. As you can see from the map, there is territorially nothing to gain for me when I aid them.
Religion alone was(and still is) enough to unite the constantly feuding and unreliable Afghans. Even when the Soviets sent a regiment of Muslim soldiers, these began to aid and eventually even give their personal arms to the mujahideen.

It is reasonable for you to RP making allies in India, but just saying 'they support me' doesn't make it so. This is like in the PT RP when Spizania said that all the tribes of North Africa were their allies- you can't really do that with NPCs. If you RP meeting them and another RPer plays for them and accepts an alliance, then that's fine. But just saying that they're allied to you because they're Muslim is not a good reason.

Your mixing a case were someone used na NPC to fight for him, which is different. I'm not using them to fight for me(unless its part of an NPC war in which I cannot gain anything)
I can be allies with any NPC as long as I dont abuse them to increase my numbers(unless its against another NPC, but that is usually planned).
The muslims in India exist because people from my region moved out there hundreds of years ago, now together we face the kafirs(unbelievers), thats good enough to say that I'm allied with them and have been for many year.

I created India and its NPCs to be like this and this is how it will be.

I'm friends with them and they trust me, simply because I am aiding both in their struggle against the unbelievers, because all our nations have the same background and religion. As you can see from the map, there is territorially nothing to gain for me when I aid them.
Religion alone was(and still is) enough to unite the constantly feuding and unreliable Afghans. Even when the Soviets sent a regiment of Muslim soldiers, these began to aid and eventually even give their personal arms to the mujahideen.
From what I've read about IRL India in this time, there wasn't a huge amount of struggle between believers and unbelievers. The Muslim rulers needed their Hindu subjects' support, so there was no attempt at conversion and religious tolerance was widely practiced. Though religion is a binding factor, it does not guarantee cooperation at all- look at the Muslim world at the time of the Crusades. The reason the early Crusades were successful is because the Muslims were more keen on fighting each other than outsiders.

Your mixing a case were someone used na NPC to fight for him, which is different. I'm not using them to fight for me(unless its part of an NPC war in which I cannot gain anything)
I can be allies with any NPC as long as I dont abuse them to increase my numbers(unless its against another NPC, but that is usually planned).
The muslims in India exist because people from my region moved out there hundreds of years ago, now together we face the kafirs(unbelievers), thats good enough to say that I'm allied with them and have been for many year.

I created India and its NPCs to be like this and this is how it will be.
I agree that the example is not exactly similar, but you should not be able to say that simply because you created the map of India you can say that your nation has been allied to them for many years. It is perfectly possible that me or Terror could have been allied with one or more of the Indian states for many years as well. However, retroactive RPing is notoriously tricky and confusing, so I think it's better for all of us to start with a clean slate and have an unbiased RPer from here take on the role of an Indian state as we attempt to forge alliances with them.

I can be allies with any NPC as long as I dont abuse them to increase my numbers(unless its against another NPC, but that is usually planned).

As long as they do not join a war between a player nation and your nation on your side, I am ok with you being allied with them.

As long as they do not join a war between a player nation and your nation on your side, I am ok with you being allied with them.

I'll second that.

I've decided to quit, here and in the PT RP where I wasnt all to active anyway.

I've decided to quit, here and in the PT RP where I wasnt all to active anyway.

Would you mind explaining a bit as to why? This seems rather sudden, and without reason, to me.

Wow... that really sucks... are you sure? We were going to get into all this interesting stuff over India...

well, if Canadstein Does quit, hows about you take over his country?

... if only because it's become kind of key to the PA's expansionistic tendancys :D
Sorry about the brief absence, finals are winding down. Could you explain everyones claims and such and I would be glad to claim myself and make a map. Also, I dont really want to take over someone elses country because I would like to not be bound by someone elses mistakes. If Im gonna get gangraped then I will make sure that you damn well have a reason for it and that I caused it profoundly. :)

Tadjik, why? I can understand in PT, where nothing is going on, but here?
India was gonna be fun, and there was every chance you were going to win.

Would you mind explaining a bit as to why? This seems rather sudden, and without reason, to me.

I am no longer enjoying myself in this RP

Wow... that really sucks... are you sure? We were going to get into all this interesting stuff over India...

Four or five different people come to India, a veni-vidi-vici style RP starts that ends in Tadjikistan vs the rest, wow! how interesting!

Tadjik, why? I can understand in PT, where nothing is going on, but here?
India was gonna be fun, and there was every chance you were going to win.
If I wanted to win I could simply have claimed China, or the whole of India with their original population, so I'd have million man armies. I dont care about winning, You should know that by now.
I dont think its gonna be any fun.

Ok, I've been thinking about what's been happening recently. And what I reckon is, the Pacific Alliance needs to split.
Not only could it make some fun RPing, I think that at the moment it is TOO dominant.
After all, myself Caladonn and Angermanland have probably the three best navies in the world; Ostia has one of the best armies, and mine is not to be sniffed at - nor for that matter are Angermanlands and Kirisubos.

There is not a single nation in this RP that could stand up to all of us (unlike PT, where all of us could just about take Oda), and there is no settled alliance of other major powers. I know it's not about winning, but a conflict that can go either way is much more interesting.

So I think some of the alliances should be downgraded to non-aggression pacts, or the alliance should split to two warring factions (possibly more fun). Open things up a bit more. What do people reckon?

And, incidentally, Tadjik (cause of my saying this now, though I've been working towards it for a while) would that make you more likely to stay?

the Kirisubans still follow the old alliance but the link is stronger with terror than anyone else.

I'll be going away this weekend so i'll try and do as much as i can tonight. hopefully i won't miss too much :)

k, if ye hadn't realised Kaduna is dead, if ye hadn't realised I am Kaduna, but anywhos I stopped playing Kaduna and am now Toops, right, are Gobbos oki? If so I'd like to claim Siberia, unless in my stead it has already been claimed, and if you're willing i'd gladly take back my old job of cartographer.

:)

yeah, the gobbos are back.

lets have some fun

argh! gobbos! run away!

i thought they got exterminated? hehe.


humm. i can't really break alliance with Terror at this point... if ever but the rest of it could be dismantled.

Ostia's miles away anyway.. and Caladonn and i often have overlapping interests... it's doable.

only Toops get beaten but I'm saure there'd be more Goblins scattered over Russia, enough to reform as a state, oh and this time, I'll be having Gunpowder (must research blunderbuss')

Can I join as a Byzantine Empire that beat the Ottomans? I can be the Byzantine Empire in the 1770's. If it is possible, please tell me. Thanks.

You can vary it a bit if you want. We have some totally a-historical nations.

You can vary it a bit if you want. We have some totally a-historical nations.

My nation would be a reincarnated Byzantium. All the lands the Ottomans ruled would be ruled by my Byzantine Empire. Constantinople is still Byzantine, Hagia Sophia is still Orthodox and so on. I hope I can be able to do this.

Yeah, sure. But I think someone already has Egypt....was that ever Byzantine?

Yeah, sure. But I think someone already has Egypt....was that ever Byzantine?

In Heraclius' time, it was. Byzantines were in Egypt till the Muslims came after Muhammad's death. Also, should I do a factbook of the 1770's Byzantine Empire?

If possible, can I have the Byzantines rule over Imperial Russia?

umm.. is that imperial russia AS WELL, or instead?

because i'd say that everything the byzants ever had, plus russia... is getting a little carried away.

mix and match, i suppose.. give up some to the south for some in the north, and so on.

heh. just don't want another repeat fo the whole Han thing...

Should I start RPing or wait till Ostia confirms me?

umm.. is that imperial russia AS WELL, or instead?

because i'd say that everything the byzants ever had, plus russia... is getting a little carried away.

mix and match, i suppose.. give up some to the south for some in the north, and so on.

heh. just don't want another repeat fo the whole Han thing...

Sorry if I was greedy for land. I had thought of the idea that after 1453, the marriage of Ivan of Russia and Zoe of Byzantium made a dynastic link or something. How about this, the Byzantines only rule over what the Ottomans did or something? Please help me out.

When we figure out my nation, can I start RPing? I will probably do diplomacy first.

Any nations left?

I think there's much territory left, I used to do maps but I havn't updated in a while, kah, Siberia and Byzantine have been picked recently, I'll tell you what's been taken if ye shout them to me.

When we figure out my nation, can I start RPing? I will probably do diplomacy first.


figure your borders, post your factbook, and you're set.

of course, anything Really odd should probibly be run past other people. but other than that.

humm.. i see what you're getting at with the borders there, sort of...

then again, all that land doesn't support a particularly large population, does it? a lot of it's desert and tundra...

so, if you allowed for that when working out your populations... ehh, why not? *shrugs* it's going to be a nightmare to defend though :D

Siberia? Did Siberia even have people during the 1770's? And enough to make people?

ANd Byzantium was destroyed in thwe 15th century.

yeah but this is not based on rl earth, it's based on NS earth in 1770, hell I'ma playing as Gobbos.

No sweat on non-historical nations and situations - that's the point, right?
Don't fear claiming a vast territory, but don't come crying if someone else takes most of it off you cos you can't hold it.
And any lands can be claimed that aren't already held. There's a map linked somewhere above that's (ish) up to date, though a couple of people have dropped out since.

KABLAMMO, hehehe (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484504)

Factbook, missed out some stuff that i'll add later, like that fact that I'm still in Siberia, ah well.

figure your borders, post your factbook, and you're set.

of course, anything Really odd should probibly be run past other people. but other than that.

humm.. i see what you're getting at with the borders there, sort of...

then again, all that land doesn't support a particularly large population, does it? a lot of it's desert and tundra...

so, if you allowed for that when working out your populations... ehh, why not? *shrugs* it's going to be a nightmare to defend though :D

I see. Can I just rule the Ottoman Empire as the Byzantines then?

How about this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/Ottoman_1683.png

That is the Ottoman Empire at the height of its power in 1683.

My nation would be under a total monarchy, the successors of Constantine XI Palaeologus. Orthodox Christianity would be the state faith but all others like Islam, Judaism, Catholics, Protestants and others respected.

I will do my factbook soon, after this is dealt with. All I want is the lands on the map, that is all.

Yes, apart from Egypt, which is already claimed by Ostia, who also holds Italy as a quasi-Roman state.

Yes, apart from Egypt, which is already claimed by Ostia, who also holds Italy as a quasi-Roman state.

How about all the lands on the map, except Egypt which Ostia has?

Can I make a factbook or should I wait?

Yeah, go for it. Put up a factbook, start making yourself known to other nations, kick off some diplomacy/trade/war. 's all good.

Yeah, go for it. Put up a factbook, start making yourself known to other nations, kick off some diplomacy/trade/war. 's all good.

Thanks, Terror! Also, can you contact Ostia for me, perhaps we can talk about Egypt and our borders.

Ummm, he's not on msn at the mo, just post something up here, or his thread if you can find it (search Ostia 1770 or Rev Era, or something like that), he'll get back to ya.

Ummm, he's not on msn at the mo, just post something up here, or his thread if you can find it (search Ostia 1770 or Rev Era, or something like that), he'll get back to ya.

I will do so soon, I guess. Also, I made my factbook.

How do I start diplomacy, etc?

I won't claim my thread is the best example, but read the first couple of pages and you'll get an idea of how people do contact.
Basically send someone a ship, see how they respond to it, is the usual method.

EDIT: Meh, forgot linkage. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482110)

I won't claim my thread is the best example, but read the first couple of pages and you'll get an idea of how people do contact.
Basically send someone a ship, see how they respond to it, is the usual method.

Can I send a ship or something to your nation as my first? Do we need a new thread or anything?

Kirisubo are close neighbours of Terror and they have an embassy there as well.

you can meet two nations on the same thread this way

Kirisubo are close neighbours of Terror and they have an embassy there as well.

you can meet two nations on the same thread this way

That would be good. Kirisubo, perhaps we can open diplomacy? Manuel is a Byzantine diplomat.

I'm sure our diplomats can meet at some point later on once Manuel is ashore. news gets round quickly in diplomatic circles :)

I'm sure our diplomats can meet at some point later on once Manuel is ashore. news gets round quickly in diplomatic circles :)

Manuel is now ashore. I am sure our diplomats can meet for some good discussions.

Hey Kiri should I assume that we're still allies, wait, were we ever allies? I remember sending my King and a diplomat but...... Ah well, allies or do ye wanna be an enemy, grrrrr.

Can we invent Dynamite, it's 100 years out but it's possible for it to be discovered now, any luck?

Can we invent Dynamite, it's 100 years out but it's possible for it to be discovered now, any luck?

There are plenty of things that can go BOOM! without having dynamite a hundred years early.

There are plenty of things that can go BOOM! without having dynamite a hundred years early.

yeah but none quite as big as nitroglycerol, can ye imagine a bunch of gobbos running round going BOOM!

But then ye make a good point, I retract my wish.

yeah but none quite as big as nitroglycerol, can ye imagine a bunch of gobbos running round going BOOM!

But then ye make a good point, I retract my wish.

Besides I think the instability of early attempts will make far more amusing explosions than true dynamite :p

I was just suggesting it cos when you think that early gunpowder was created by mixing p!ss and sh!t why wouldn't they start messing about with fat, BOOM good, see my Rev Era factbook on my views on explosions.

I've started my Indian landings, here's the thread. Gonna be a bit of a scrap with the Mahrattas, later. I plan to fight a short war, give them a big reenactment of the Battle of Assaye, and then have them settle down to blame each other for what happened.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485225

That's very close to one of my enclaves...I shall watch with interest.

Oh, shit I forgot. Is there a map of the enclaves around? I think they were on Tadjik's.

Bum, I'm not sure I ever took a copy of his map...
I had five enclaves, two on the east side, one right down in the south, and two up the west side.
The most northwestern one was close to where you've gone in, I think to the north of you. I'm certainly going to say you haven't gone in on top of it :D

Last update of the world map gives me 4 enclaves...
One on modern Panaji, one on modern Cochin, one on Chennai (Madras) and one on Vishakhapatnam.
Got that from a combination of this Map of India (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pnm.my/mtcp/images/maps/India-map.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pnm.my/mtcp/participatingcountries.htm&h=624&w=580&sz=56&tbnid=U8amd-ZTGyELwM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dindia%2Bmap&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2)
and this
the latest map for the RP (http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/193/worldmap9ax.jpg)
The bright green dots. The yellow is Canadstein and thus can be ignored, the dark green (?) Caladonn?....don't know, he's RPing his arrival in India I think, so ignore them for now.

now that the pacific alliance seems to have taken shape i wonder what Calledon and Ostia makes of it :)

off course the Toopish people would still have connections with Kirisubo. We didn't get around to rping your kings meeting with the Shogun but there'd at least be a non-agression pact between the nations by now.

now that the pacific alliance seems to have taken shape i wonder what Calledon and Ostia makes of it :)

off course the Toopish people would still have connections with Kirisubo. We didn't get around to rping your kings meeting with the Shogun but there'd at least be a non-agression pact between the nations by now.
Taken shape? I was under the impression it was dissolving...

I'm not exactly going to mutely agree to it though, I've got some serious qualms with giving up my only ally...

Kirisubo still has trading and other connections with Calladonn and Ostia. that won't change. they remember old alliances.

i can see some diplomatic activity taking place in Kirisubo over this.

Some diplomatic activity is already taking place... I'm writing up a 1000-word post of the Supreme Consul's speech to the Consilium.

Things won't really change with Kirisubo though no matter what, since we were never really allied anyway, just with good relations through trade and such. Things were probably benefited by the selling of Hawaii to you sometime during the last 300 years too.