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I have seen alot of Napoleon era threads but not alot of Revolution interest, i thought i would get it going right now.

OK this is how it's going to work,

Every player interested will choose a country on a map that will have to be made up, my map making skills are not very good mind you so i will leave it to some one better qualifyed.

Every nation that wishes to take part is welcome, i want to see how much interest this Rp strikes...

This Rp is accurate when it comes to weapons and tactics used by the people of this time, real life history of the American Revolution will not be included in the IC but feel free to discuss it in the OOC here...

Players experiance levels when you join up does not matter, if you have knowlage about this time period or wish to learn by all means you are welcome to take part i would just really like to see this take off like the PT Rp's have.

My nation will be based off England at this time, red coats and all...when more interest is shown we will get more in depth....

This is a world, like the PT RP world, which has one coherent map and realistic technologies, but totally different history

There will be great naval battles, invasions, lines of infantry meeting on the field facing a barrage of artillary, cavelry charges and diplomatic missions...

http://mickmarsh.co.uk/blogpix/redcoats.jpg


Players:

Reallydrunk
Terror Incognitia
Ubelheim
Kirisubo
Kulikovo
Kaduna
Tadjikistan
Caladonn
Kanami
Canadastein-Dropped out
Franberry
Kroando
Clan Ansu
OK people..here is a list of factbooks i have gathered..

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482304
Franberrys page

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482151
Ostia's page

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482110
Terror's page

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482164
Angermanns page

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482277
Caladonn's page

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482126
Ubelheims page

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482184
Kirisubo's page

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483222
Clan Ansu page

Terror Incognitia would like to join as PT Terror Incognitia, with three centuries more of development, and a few colonies here and there.
:D

Great! keep em' comming...

Although I created Ubelheim with the intention of medieval RP, I don't suppose it makes much difference, I can do both.

Ubelheim is a small independent duchy, without significant political or military power, but with more of an opportunistic, mercenary outlook.

Good to have your interest, welcome to the Rp....

Mercenaries? We'll buy in mercenaries now and then :D

1770 Kirisubo shouldn't be much different to the existing PT nation. only the level of technology will change.

i'm in :)

Welcome Kuri, good to see you have interest..

Bumpity....bump..

I would like to join. I could be German or something. This thread sounds interesting.

Great, i will add you to the list...

I'll join, same territories as the PT rp (Poland/Ukraine) but also Slovakia, Czech republic and Belarus.

Your on the list, thanks for showing interest....

Bump....

Well, maybe there wiill be more action for me here.
PT Tadjikistan will go more in the direction of my MT nation(names, style and such).

And I'll probably stick with the roughly the same territory

Great, i will add you to the list immeaditly....

This sounds really awesome. Definitely count me in.

I'll be RPing as Caladonn, a navally dominating but small army-wise nation.

We all stick to type, huh? Fact book is coming...soon.

Good, i think the IC thread will be up soon....

Factbook HERE! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10941076#post10941076)

Details are subject to arbitrary change at any time :D

Drop by and say hello.

Those nations I know from PT-land we can assume have diplomatic relations already, if you want to guys.

Angermanland is in :) i think i'll just stick to what i had in PT as well, though of course jumped up by however many years.

that means BEHEMOTHS, people. oh boy... anyone on the sea is going to HATE comeing accross one of those.

and Hawks. they're still around. hehehehehe.

though i'll take a chunk of Australia with iorn in it, and various random african coloneys too. results of the PT rp.

I'm guessing I'm late. I would like to join up too, as a Character mostly, because this would be before my nation is offically founded, but it would be the perfect era where my national founder learned everything about democracy. Yay/Nay?

You're not late - we have at the moment a whole 1 factbook (mine) and no IC threads.
Just cos some of us have history from the PT RP...this is a somewhat alternate reality. Or at least I'm RPing it that way, cos the PT RP is ongoing. So new people are welcome.
If you want to do it character, that's cool with me. You might want to visit my nation, in that case, as with Angerman (possibly, depends what he's been up to in the last 300 years) I am closest to democracy of the nations signed up so far.
Looky - factbook up there *points /\ * come visit :D

Here's my factbook, then. :D

The Grand Duchy of Ubelheim, 1770 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482126)

I might join the PT roleplay, but I want to keep the history of Ubelheim consistent, as I plan on writing it up on NSwiki. Anyone who wants to have had past dealings/wars/whatever with Ubelheim, I'm sure we can come to an arrangement.

Possibly stick with one, if you want historical consistency, as opposed to "alternate realities" or whatever excuse I pull out of the bag this time.

I may switch mine to Russian, I'm not sure yet.

Don't have to be even close to a RL nation...

That is correct, i will be posting my factbook soon.

So, I can be PT Kulikovo?

Here is my factbook: Now I am really a modern nation, but I've really wanted to do a Past RP for a while that wasn't war, and wasn't RL

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Kanami

Sorry, slightly dumb response in Ubelheim's thread. Your own thread might be good, cos then you can go wherever that leads you....

that's okay, but the problem is I'm not really a nation at this point. It would have to be in the very early 1800's which is slightly beyond the era you guys want to RP.

I'm using the date 1770, but any discrepency can be explained by our official calendars not matching.

sorry I'm not sure I understood that, please bear with my ignorance. <__>

My thought exactly - my nation is mildly eccentric, having a slightly different calendar is entirely possible.
Feel free to start telling your story so I can respond to it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482154

Thats the IC people....it's finally up :)..enjoy

i tell you this now: in the last three hundered years, my nation has gone through an Extrodinary number of it's "chaos cycles" ... just so it could socialy survive an industrial revolution.

of course, due to the odd nature of the system, most of the infrastructure has kept right on ticking over.

umm, Terror... if you're mildy eccentric... what does that make me? :confused: *slightly worried* :confused:


i'm about to start my little thread/factbook/thing.

Ok great

It seems that participants have chosen to use eachothers factbooks to Rp in, The IC main thread shall come into play at some point i would imagine...

Some linkage to my thread....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482151

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482164

that Should be my referance/factbook/thingy thread.

and, ReallyDrunk... given where you recruited from, are you really surprised? :p

Well...no ....not really....LOL

so, here's the million dollar question: do we have an offical cartographer this time around? they are so imessurably helpful in these things...

no, this is not me volunteering. i suspect i'd be more of a hinderance than a help in that reguard, even befor takeing into account the suckyness of this comp.

Yay! i have reached 1,000 posts....well, 1,001 now...

Anyways...uhh not to my knowlage, we seriously need one...if not confusion will be sparked...

Reallydrunk']Yay! i have reached 1,000 posts....well, 1,001 now...

Anyways...uhh not to my knowlage, we seriously need one...if not confusion will be sparked...


if one has the software and a comp that'll not suck and access to somewhere to upload it too, ripping off the PT map would be very easy.

even with only paint. so long as one didn't mind straight line borders.

hint: the fill tool is a wonderful thing.

Lol...i have tryed before, resulted in disaster....disgrace more like it...

fair enough.

hehehe. note how updated Masters are still the fastest ships on the seas? :D

Very fine vessel indeed, but my 'Victory' is by far the most stunning :)

I would like to see a map first, before I select my territory. If most others(or the action) is taking place in Europe or some other specific part of the world , then I might consider moving my nation there. Until then, I'll take an 'option' on my PT territory.

It is still under construction, but constructive critizism is always welcome
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482194

If I'm mildly eccentric, Angerman is totally off the wall....
And I'm having those railways. Oh yeah, allies, technological exchange, I already DO :D

Reallydrunk']Very fine vessel indeed, but my 'Victory' is by far the most stunning :)

pray it never meets a Behemoth class in combat then, or it shall become by far the most sunk :P

300 lauchers will do that.

[and yes i do mean the kind of launchers the old dominace classes only carried two of Each. . . the behemoth's crew numbers 2000, all told]

so....... much....... BURNYNESS!!!


MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!

And I'm having those railways.

I really do hope nobody is actually planning on having steam railways, etc. The first steam locomotive railway didn't come about until 1825. I don't see the point of playing a revolutionary-era tech RP, if everyone has 1820s tech.

Heh, take that up with Angerman.
I'm happy to leave them maybe a generation. I don't think we'll be sticking with the strict timeline on tech, but I'm prepared to accept that our...successes...in the PT RP don't translate into a similar technological edge here. Different RP.

whats this? objection to the railways? Never! *laughs*

to be honest, they're still pretty poor as railways go. faster than walking or a wagon. slower than rideing by yourself.

and, if you look back, these guys had a demonstrateable knowledge of steam power, if not the materials to make it useful, a very long time ago.

at least i'm not sticking it in my ships.. oh boy, would THAT have been a nightmare for all concerned.

the behemoths have officially been given a major overhaul, fyi. they were just worthless as they were. but the skunkworks came through :D [ready: Angerman wacky ideas get holes shot in them by incognitian knowledge, holes get fixed]

umm, yeah, if you Really object to the trains, i can get rid of them, i guess...

it was solveing a whole bunch of major problems though.

All I'm saying is that steam locomotive railways didn't come about until the 1820s, and you can't make them 1770s tech by saying 'Well, they could have made them earlier if they'd bothered.' I take 1770-tech to mean 'what was available in 1770', not 'what could have been available in 1770'. That's just 1820s tech in the 1770s.

The only reason I'm objecting on this point, is that I don't want to RP Ubelheim in an industrialised era. I was originally planning it to be a medieval nation, but 'eve of the industrial revolution' is about as late as I want to go.

I Agree with Ubelheim...the railways..i dunno about them, it's kinda too far ahead.

Hey I'd just like to explain the changes between my PT nation and this one, the Kadunese race (the Wolf people) have been all but enslaved by a nation called Gorel, as it exists now Kaduna is a sort of psuedo Prussian nation.

I have a Map

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5052/worldmap9se.jpg

(ignore the blue Australia, I'll get rid of it now.) but I could only remember my territorial claims so if you could remind me i'll get round to an update soon.

Nice one.
Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, the Malay peninsula, the Philippines and some coastal forts in Southern Africa and India (either just dots or leave them out entirely, whatever suits.)

I will join.

I claim Italy and have an influance in egypt...so i will be taking a little chunk of that aswell...could we have an update please when all is in order..?

Welcome Candastein

Can I have Spain?

Sure, i have added you to the list

Welcome Canadstein, expect me to come visiting soonish.

Why are you visiting me soonish?

I will be visiting soon aswell, i am close by...feel free to post on my thread aswell.

Cos I'll be making contact, just not right now because you don't have a thread, so unless you want to visit me I can't, really.
Just since I'm allied with Ostia (ReallyDrunk), I have interests in that part of the world.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7597/worldmap3wj.jpg

Sorry, can you add the rest of Borneo and the Philippines? Please?
Like the funky colour though.

I'll claim Latvia & Lithuania, and that little nugget of Russia between Lithuania and Poland.

I still want all of Spain's colonies.

Maps looking good,

I still want all of Spain's colonies.

could you give me specific names?

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1765/worldmap3tq.jpg

Canadastein, Ubelheim i will be paying a visit soon so we can make contact..

Here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire

I will make a thread soon.

Maybe you would be interested in sending a diplomat to my nation in the meantime, kind of an exchange we could speak to eachothers leaders?

This is insanity, but I guess if you really want all these territories...

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/5888/worldmap5ee.jpg

Thank you. You are a lot of help.

Lol, that is alot of ground to cover....what happens if some one wishes to join and they want one of those territorys?

Reallydrunk']Lol, that is alot of ground to cover....what happens if some one wishes to join and they want one of those territorys?

you think that's bad, you wait til someone chooses the British Empire....

LOL ahh yes...what is it...Ruperts Land? was it called..lol i am based off the Brittish Empire....

you think that's bad, you wait til someone chooses the British Empire....


Wait till someone wants to conquer some land, cause there's no way the homeland could get troops to a colony on the other side of the globe before an enemy (from that part of the world) can strike.

i bagsy the home islands of Japan (including Okinawa and the islands of the province it covers), the Midway islands and some of the Hawaian islands

Terror and Really Drunk I assume that the old alliances are still standing from 1450 :)

Good to have you Kuri..

Edited to include Kirisubo and the colonies in India and Africa which someone requested, (I don't remember who...)

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/5451/worldmap2ct.jpg

what the? if that yellow is all caladonn, it's just not right :P

anyway, my territory is New Zealand, all the little the curently uncoloured islands on that side of the map, no further north than incognitia and east of australia, part of Australia that has minable iorn [i don't know excatly which bit that is] and a corridor to the sea from there, and various parts of africa and south america, based on which bits have the most shiney resorces [mettles, gems, and farmland]

coz 10 million people just don't fit in NZ properly, and i need minable iron ore.

oh yeah, and madagascar, unless someone else really needs it for some reason.

*le sigh* ok. no railways for me.

i'm keeping the factorys though :P i mean, half of them run stright off the water wheels, let alone steam power, so i think i can get away with that, no?

Umm... this basically makes it impossible for me to claim... Canadstein now has all of the Americas, and much else besides.

I think that we need to work this out to a mutually agreeable claim, meaning you don't just automatically get what some nation historically had, since no one's nation is the same as any historical nation.

Anyway, if possible, I'd like to do what we did in the PT RP, with Mesoamerica morphed into an island on which Caladonn is situated... if possible, then my colonies will be Mexico, Colombia and Venezuela, the Carribean, the Pacific Islands from the PT RP, as well as some of the stuff I'd have gained from Spizania, like Gibraltar, the Cape of Good Hope, and then a few trading posts in India and Africa.

On the other hand, since looking over my claim it's quite large and so are almost everyone else's, perhaps it'd be best for everyone to start with no colonies and have to RP gaining them.

or mabey just be a little sane about their claimes?

anyway, i got rid of the railways. for now. mwahahahahahhaha!

Lol,

As for the territory i agree, Caladonn is based in the america's...there is no possible way all that yellow will be used..therefore i say maybe give a little bit away..?

i've been doing a little reserch on rockets:

the chinese invented them by 1000 ad at latest.

the british originaly started useing them Specificly for on ships due to the lack of recoil.

at this point mine are more incindirary than explosive, but yay, i can fire lots of them, fast, from ships :D fired in "vollys" they can be horribly distructive, even if their accuracy is off a bit.

anyway i'll give more info if nessisary later.

*rushed and gone*

Well, quite honestly, in this RP the Americas are defended aggressively by a dominant naval power (Guess who ;) ), so Spanish colonisation won't really succeed. After all, Caladonn has its own version of the Monroe Doctrine, though it mainly only applies to our non allies lol.

Also, here's my factbook:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10947418&posted=1#post10947418

How do you make a thing about your own nation on wikipedia?

You don't? i don't think it's possible..

You can make one on NS wiki... about a year ago I made an article on FT Caladonn.

Is there a map which shows what each player controls?

We have one that has Spain owning half the world...

Ahem. I believe I laid claim to the Philippines before Canadstein posted. I mean, if he doesn't want to let me have them, I'm happy to conquer them instead, but I did claim...
And I'd like to restate a claim to the rest of Borneo.
Otherwise, 's cool.
Welcome Kiri, I'm happy to stick with previous alliances (well, apart from war with Angerman...all will be revealed).

I did claim my nation before Spain as well...

Can I sign up?

Yup, just post a claim and put up a factbook, and people will start negotiating with/fighting/trading with you.

I did claim my nation before Spain as well...

Well, I'm Spain so too bad for you.

For the claim, what is taken? what is available? I'd be happy with southern south america


as for the factbook, is this any good?
(basing myself if my claim for the southern half of south america goes thru)

The Republic of Franberry

Government Information
Name: The Republic of
Government Type: Republic
Capital: Espora (where Buenos Aires would be)
Head of State: President of the Republic

Social Information:
Population: 50 million
Languages: Spanish (Official) Portugese and other smaller languages
Religions: Christianity (major) all religion is legaly tolerated

General Military Information:
Current Personnel: 1,000,000
Army: 850,000
Infantes (infantry): 650,000
Cavalry: 150,000
Artillery: 50,000


Navy: 150,000
Ships:
Man-of-War: 20
Frigates: 78
Sloops:156
Numerous smaller craft


Franberry has just come forth from a civil war, and has emerged as a republic, overthrowing the king. The central part of the country is still quite ravaged, due to the fact most of the fighting took place there, but the armed forces are extremely experienced and well equiped.

The coast is quite populated, adn the major urban centers are located here. The centre of the country is mainly agricultural, which is the nations biggest industry. There is also a lot of mining along the Andes. The costal towns are expanding, and there are plans to re-build the interior of the country as soon as possible, especially the mining areas.

For the claim, what is taken? what is available? I'd be happy with southern south america


as for the factbook, is this any good?
(basing myself if my claim for the southern half of south america goes thru)
...

it would be better if it was in it's own thread and just linked here :)

it would be better if it was in it's own thread and just linked here :)
yeah, I was just asking if that was good, like, what is needed

and is my claim alright?

Screw this South America is not longer my also the Phillipines and Mexico. I still want to part above modern day mexico.

looks good to me.

except that someone was trying to claime most of the americas a whole bunch of other stuff, but that's proiblby not happening. too silly.


so, yeah. the real question is how long caladonn puts up with your nations existance :D

so, yeah, looks good to me, Franberry

so is my claim alreight?


and I saw that one fo the factbooks had elves in it

this is still suing 1770's technology right?
like, the elves will use muskets and they wont have magic powers or anything?

so is my claim alreight?


and I saw that one fo the factbooks had elves in it

this is still suing 1770's technology right?
like, the elves will use muskets and they wont have magic powers or anything?


there are a few odd races running around with slightly different physical traites, and some really oddball tech in places... or there will be if i have anything to say about it...

but no, no magic. no defieing the laws of physics in anyway, for that matter :)

go check out various parts of the PT rps for how it works.. i think you can find a link in Terror Incognitia's signiture.

it's more alternate history than outright fantasy.

also, who owns what?

Can we try to be somewhat realistic with the popluation. I think Franberry should not a popluation of 50 million how about 10 to 2 million.

Can we try to be somewhat realistic with the popluation. I think Franberry should not a popluation of 50 million how about 10 to 2 million.
ill lower it

i saw u had 50 million, if mien is excessive (unless yours encompasses alrge parts of europe or asia) you shoud lower urs too

That was Caladonn he needs to lower his popluation too.

That was Caladonn he needs to lower his popluation too.
sorry, you have similar names

and who owns what?

A map will be up sometime tommorrow or the next day.

i think the population thing is a flow over from the PT rp.

if we're going to cut back population to true realisem...

i'd have only two million and be totaly ineffective. modern NZ is crowded at just over 4 million.

the point, i belive, was that over crowding drives expansionisem. expansionisem causes conflict. conflict makes good RP.


something like that, anyway. there were a whole bunch of reasons.

anyway, this is ReallyDrunk's RP... so i would think he gets final say in such things.

I think 50 million is too high for anyone. Mine is currently 30 million, and I'm happy to reduce that if necessary. I think for anyone other than someone claiming China, population shouldn't go much higher than 30 million (hence why I'm prepared to reduce mine, cos I probably don't have the most populous territories of all the claims so far.

I think 50 million is too high for anyone. Mine is currently 30 million, and I'm happy to reduce that if necessary. I think for anyone other than someone claiming China, population shouldn't go much higher than 30 million (hence why I'm prepared to reduce mine, cos I probably don't have the most populous territories of all the claims so far.

I personally think he has a rather large army too, mine is only half and I have more troops than all others. I'm currently at 26 million, 6 more than my medieval Empire(which I believe is realistic, England gained more population(precentagewise) in the same amount of time)

Oh and whoever is making the map, could you place me in the same region that I have in the PT RP? I'll conquer a colony myself If I need one

I would like to add, that if someone claims China, he should take a reasonable population instead of 100 million. This is not the real world remember (otherwise I would have claimed India in the first RP and end up with a similar population)

Lowering my pop

and as far as technology goes, theres gonan be some variations, but no ridiculously advanced things (It is 1770 after all, so like, no railway networks, well very primitive ones)

Im suprized at the outcome of this rp, lots of people joining...Kaduna updates the map by the way...so make sure your claims are clear.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482304
factbook

my claim is in there, under geography

Ok, I'll lower my population a bit. I'll probably have about the same increase as Terror.

Canadstein is welcome to keep the area above Mexico... for now.

Ok great, Franberry you have been added to the list...

Ok people i have put as many of the links i can find on the first page....once i get more they will be added...

Where's the new map?

o..k.. and the basis for these population drops, reguarding the actual figures you end up with, is.. what?

i suppose i could drop mine by a couple of million. not too many though, or i start haveing problems...

I am quite interested in joining, but there seem to be a major lack of rules... I mean, if a single player can claim the Western Hemisphere, this isnt going to work. I suggest a system based off of our actual NS Populations, not a direct relation, but say, chop off a few zero's and take that. Once the population rules are established, you can make a system which bases claiming land off of the total population. This RP can work, it just needs some more direct rules. Claim Limits, Population Guidelines, etc.

If youre interested in reworking the rules a little bit, tell me, I want to join, but this will get out of hand if anyone can claim anything they want.

I, Veazill the Dictator of Dicuban would like to join in this RP game. On one condition i get to play as the Prussians.


:sniper:

Nope taken.

I am quite interested in joining, but there seem to be a major lack of rules... I mean, if a single player can claim the Western Hemisphere, this isnt going to work. I suggest a system based off of our actual NS Populations, not a direct relation, but say, chop off a few zero's and take that. Once the population rules are established, you can make a system which bases claiming land off of the total population. This RP can work, it just needs some more direct rules. Claim Limits, Population Guidelines, etc.

If youre interested in reworking the rules a little bit, tell me, I want to join, but this will get out of hand if anyone can claim anything they want.


well, it's ment to be pretty freeform, but as of the next map, that whole bit in the america's is being fixed. shouldn't have happend in the first place, as there were already other nations there. rather rediculous.

the populations are tweeked towards being realisticish, but this entire world really doesn't care about NS nations. they're stupidly awkward anyway. useing them would actually give me a rediculously large population that's worse compaired to my resorces than what i have Now, or would utterly cripple some of the bigger places, or both.

too many rules really just spoil these things, i find. but yeah, you gotta be reasonable and [i know i'm going to get mocked for this :p] sane, while setting it up.

as i said, the "spain rules the world" thing is being very fixed when the next map gets updated. so has said the supream ruler of the world [that is, starter of this RP] ReallyDrunk. or at least, i think he did last time he said anything on the issue.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9640/worldmap9qa.jpg

mm'kay, a lot of highly ambiguous claims so I did my best to translate the claims, tell me if I have anything majorly wrong.

How should we go about the conquest of NPC's? Cos I'm planning my first move, down into the Medeterainean(sp?) and North Africa whilst also pushing myself up to the Danube.

oh, and is it cool if I add some NPC nations to the map, they'll just be there to fill space and I'll get rid of them if someone claims the territory.

Well i guess it wouldn't hurt, it would add a little action too....are you rping it in the IC thread?.

I, Veazill the Dictator of Dicuban would like to join in this RP game. On one condition i get to play as the Prussians.


:sniper:


You could play as a prussian based nation.....somwhat the same..

Reallydrunk']Well i guess it wouldn't hurt, it would add a little action too....are you rping it in the IC thread?.

is that a yes to the conquest or a yes to the NPC's?

Uhh to a certian extent....sparingly i would say...

Reallydrunk']Uhh to a certian extent....sparingly i would say...

what????

You aren't making any sense, are you giving a go ahead to the conquests or the NPC's or both?

what????

You aren't making any sense, are you giving a go ahead to the conquests or the NPC's or both?


All i am saying is that one nation can't conquer all NPC's pretty much, like world domination.....make more sence now?

I'm only moving down to the Med and taking the Elbe, and it's only to put myself in a greater economical and trade position, it's not like I'm about take all of Russia.

Ok, im cool with it...

so do I RP resistance or does someone else do it?

Thats up to you, it's your conquest...

Kaduna, for the next map update:
The Philippines are mine, Canadstein accepted that further up /\ can't remember where.
And can you make the rest of the island shown as partly green mine also (Borneo), I was unclear by referring to it as Indonesia whereas IRL it's part of Malaysia.

And Rping resistance is more fun if someone else does it, but if you just want to get it over with, seeing as your conquests are reasonable I don't have a problem with you just doing it.

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/5109/worldmap5on.jpg

Includes a key with all the names of RPers even those without territories.

(oh, but for some reason I totally forgot Franberry, adding now)

(and I got Tadjik mixed up with Angerman, speaking of which, Tadjik, what do you own in PT?)

Nice one.

newer less crap map

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7152/worldmap3oq.jpg

errr.. i'm not ment to have That much of australia... and my bit of africa is ment to reach the sea, if only in a narrow corridor, for transport purposes.

western australia is probibly unowned, and the northernmost parts, those bits that form that "bite" out of the north there, should be Incognitian, i think. not that he claimed them in the thread, but i asked him on messenger, and he'll take them. given the reason why i have anything in australia, that would be accurate.

otherwise, appart from the shear scarryness of the size of some of those colours, it looks good.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/888/worldmap7he.jpg

k, think it's right now, I wasn't sure how much of Australia Terror wanted but I hope I got it right.

perfectomondo, so far as i'm concerned.

the map, that is.

humm.. is Kirisubo claimeing part of Australia as well, or not? he is entitled to some, i think..

not that it matters.

The portions of my territory are ok, but need a little changing- my apologies on not being clear.

You see, Caladonn proper is a large island in the area of what is IRL central America, as you can see from the PT RP (I'd give a map, but unfortunately we don't have one that works in that RP).

Other than that, the North and South America claims are perfect. However, I have additional colonies, as in the Carribean and part of the Pacific Islands- the archipelagoes north and east of Angermanland's claim, as well as the Galapagos. In the PT RP, I had also colonised Hawaii, so I'd like to work that out with Kirisubo.

You know, all this claiming of large colonial areas may be a bit much, and not allow new players to join as well as cause many disputes, particularly between those who were in the PT RP and others. Perhaps it's better for everyone to start with only their homeland, and RP colonisation from there.

ehh, the ones that are carrying over from the PT rp arn't that large.. [i didn't expect such a large chunk of africa, honestly] and there were Lots of big empty spaces.

not to mention we seem to not have anything in china :)

the things that scare me are the large concentrations of one colour :)

i mean, most of asia, africa, and europe are still up for grabs. that's a lot of claimable territory.

that yellow is everywhere though.. that worrys me slightly. but it is how it is, you know? *shrugs*

ehh, whatever. doesn't bother me too much so long as at the end of it i keep my islands and the australian bit.

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/5109/worldmap5on.jpg

Includes a key with all the names of RPers even those without territories.

(oh, but for some reason I totally forgot Franberry, adding now)

(and I got Tadjik mixed up with Angerman, speaking of which, Tadjik, what do you own in PT?)

Dont forget to add me with that area that I have in PT.

Edit: I gotta learn to read something before I post. I'm in Central Asia
http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/NextMap.jpg

I'm at college at the moment do I'll post up the new map in 3 hours or so...

That'd be great, thanks for the maps Kaduna...

ok, 6 hours but who's counting?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9293/worldmap9nl.jpg

Who is the dark red?

sorry, Tadjikistan.

Looks pretty good, if you could add in the Pacific archipelagoes south of Hawaii and northeast of Terror/Angermanland then I'll be set.

I was hoping for Hawaii and the Carribean, but I can give those up I suppose.

Still, the yellow is a bit obscene. You'll note that this is literally every bit of territory Spain ever owned regardless of time period- Spain never controlled all of that at once. Not only that, but some of that territory Spain never controlled. On looking at the map again, Canadstein has actually claimed the entire colonial empires of Spain and Portugal, through every period!

But just think about how easily the vast majority of that territory would fall to a determined assault...
And he's already given up the Americas south of the Rio Grande and the Philippines from what he first wanted, so it's not so bad.

k, I need someone to RP Natives in the areas i'm about to take over, that's Austria-Hungary and Slovenia, I'm not bad at war RP's if i'm not RPing by myself so that's why I ask, any takers?

Looks pretty good, if you could add in the Pacific archipelagoes south of Hawaii and northeast of Terror/Angermanland then I'll be set.

I was hoping for Hawaii and the Carribean, but I can give those up I suppose.

Still, the yellow is a bit obscene. You'll note that this is literally every bit of territory Spain ever owned regardless of time period- Spain never controlled all of that at once. Not only that, but some of that territory Spain never controlled. On looking at the map again, Canadstein has actually claimed the entire colonial empires of Spain and Portugal, through every period!


ok, that's just nutty. hehehe. very nutty. i wasn't aware it was that bad. though i'm surprised i didn't notice that his teritory included Portugal.

is it just me or does india look rather small on this map? probilby just me..

Kaduna, I'm willing, but could have trouble responding regularly, quite a lot on at the moment. Better for me if someone else can do it.

I have decided to join as a Western European Power... its difficult to explain exactly what I want, so I made a map of Europe.

Heres the Map (http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5017/untitled7lb.png)

Thanks in advance.

Okay, the light green in the Baltic is Ubelheim, the Blue south of that is Kaduna, the red is Ostia, the yellow is Canadstein, which I thought owned Portugal as well, but (?) not Switzerland.
So you must be the black:D
Damn my brain works slow this time of day. Pretty sure that's unclaimed, so welcome aboard, look forward to your factbook.

The Imperial Republic of Voltair (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482748)

Reworked Europe Map (http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/4812/untitled9cj1.png)

ok, 6 hours but who's counting?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9293/worldmap9nl.jpg

Its excellent, Its bigger than I had imagined. But I'm also one of the few who does not possess any colonies,

Canad has indeed claimed Switzerland :o

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/193/worldmap9ax.jpg

Kroando I'm guessing I can add you to my list of contacted nations as with Ubelheim cos you're my neighbour.

it's looking as though Europe is gonna be the hotspot of war theatres we've got an Empire that seems to be asking for it's downfall, a militaristic Empire on sail again, a psuedo British Empire which also looks to be making a move any-time.

Terror if you could do it'd be fantastic but as you said if anyone else offers then i'm fine either-way.

k, I've made some changes to the map, a few minor things first like adding Tadjik and Kroando's names and colours to the key but also adding territories which are under attack, they'll appear in blue and you'll have to do some guesswork as to who they belong to, lastly I've given Ostia more land in order to conform with the map of modern Italy, so here it is.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7929/worldmap6ga.jpg

The map is great kaduna, very good job indeed...

Yes, great job.

Can I make one last plea for Polynesia though?

Why did you take Switzerland away from me?

You still have Switzerland on that latest map.
EDIT; Well, a yellow bit between France and Italy.

Why did you take Switzerland away from me?


if you're yellow... mabey because you're huge and everywhere? *laughs* or it might have been accidental, you never know.

If I could just claim England, Scotland and Denmark as the Ansurian Empire, I'll try to have a factbook up some time tomorrow evening. Sorry to claim and dash, but I only just saw this idea and have to switch off in a sec.

Sounds cool. Be careful though, else I'll drag you into wars and alliances, then you'll never leave :D

I Just Launched a Massive Invasion on Candestein and His European Claims... time for a war. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483078)

Damn you! We were building a coalition! And now you've forced our hand....

Well I hope you also like fighting Ostia and maybe his allies too.

Last I heard Ostia was neutral, just had trade agreements with you. His firm alliances are with myself, Caladonn &c.

No he made a military aid too.

OOC: o shit, we seem to have a slight problem...

You all panic so easily... I was planning on taking Candestein, Ostia and Kaduana at once... now I am informed it is only Candestein and Ostia... and I may even have allies? Wonderful news.

You all panic so easily... I was planning on taking Candestein, Ostia and Kaduana at once... now I am informed it is only Candestein and Ostia... and I may even have allies? Wonderful news.


the panic ensues because of this [try to keep up:

Ostia is allied with Candestein and Terror Incognitia.

Terror Incognitia is allied with Caladonn and [appart from some hicups at the moment] Angermanland

Angermanland, Terror Incognitia and Caladonn all have plans to stomp on various parts of Candestein.

now Kroando is attacking both Candestein and Ostia.

Terror Incognitia, and by extension it's allies, would aid you in destroying Candestein, except that puts them in conflict with Ostia. so they will help Ostia against you, which allies them with Candestein, which they don't want...

if Terror and co [i'll call them the PA (pacific aliance) if that helps] if the PA now attack Candestein, they make themselves friendly with you, But force Ostia to break one alliance or another. except if you're attacking Ostia, they're going to help against you,


... you see where the problem lies?

now, Angermanland has no issues, it'll just go after Candestein and help whoever is helping achive that goal, and they only care about the colonies, not europe. Caladonn, i think, is in the same situation. both would happly abandon Ostia to it's fate if nessisary.

Terror however, is in a bit of a bind, as is Ostia.

so chose your foes wisely. if you Don't attack Ostia, then it has the option of just staying out of the mess all togeather, claimeing conflicting alliances.

if you DO.. well, it's about equil that you'll go splat, Candestein will go splat, or both, or Candestein and Ostia And you will get crushed.. or .. well, the variations are somewhat endless...

I will side with Candestein against you Kroando and will not ask of terror or Caladonn to assist my forces in this war therefore it does not put Ostia in any situation where it does not belong, I officaly claim nutrual status when it comes to Caladonn, Angermann and Terror harrassing Candestein's colonys due to alliance agreements established quite some time ago...

Kroando i look foward to meeting you on the sea's and on land...it will be interesting if you choose to act hostille towards myself or my allies.

My interests are strictly in europe...i couldn't care less about any colonies,

Im sure Kaduna i could speak with Kaduna, we have recently been working on an agreement....

fair enough. now all that remains is to do all these bits and bobs ICly. :)

As long as I don't have to fight Ostia, and Ostia doesn't get squished, the European situation doesn't worry me.
So if Ostia starts losing, I will ignore any situation with Canadstein to assist my ally, but if he's winning or there is a stalemate, I'll just be nicking Canadstein's colonies.
When Canadstein's presence in Asia, and possibly Africa is gone, I will then look at assisting Ostia against Kroando, if that war is still ongoing. For now though, neutrality in Europe will serve.

As long as I don't have to fight Ostia, and Ostia doesn't get squished, the European situation doesn't worry me.
So if Ostia starts losing, I will ignore any situation with Canadstein to assist my ally, but if he's winning or there is a stalemate, I'll just be nicking Canadstein's colonies.
When Canadstein's presence in Asia, and possibly Africa is gone, I will then look at assisting Ostia against Kroando, if that war is still ongoing. For now though, neutrality in Europe will serve.

Thank you my loyal ally, i would never fire upon your troops ither. I will be declaring war on Kroando and preparing my troops for battle, they will begin to mobilize and my Generals will receive a briefing..maybe Lord General Haliburton will return to the mainland from my citidal...if not General Windsor will be tasked...

Well, consider the Tadjik army and Navy mobilized!
India is my sphere of influence and I'm not too fond of others (re)colonizing it.

understandable...my troops in Egypt are also mobilized...that is where Lord General Windsor commands...

Tadjik, I am not looking to expand beyond what I currently hold and what I take off Canadstein.

Reason enough to mobilize, The Tadjiks wont be very happy to see one nation strengthen its position in India, even if this is done without conquering from the natives.

Gotta have something to do around here

Reason enough to mobilize, The Tadjiks wont be very happy to see one nation strengthen its position in India, even if this is done without conquering from the natives.

Gotta have something to do around here


sounds fair to me... but the world has got very very messy, diplomaticly, all of a sudden :D

I dont plan on taking anything from Ostia besides what he takes from me. His standing army is relatively small, and I expect that by the time a sizeable army has been ammassed at my border, I will be able to diverge more men to the front. If and when I defeat Ostia's Army, I will offer a simple peace treaty in which he pays for the damages he caused, and that will be that. If he doesnt accept however...

If everyone decides to invade me, I couldnt care less. I would drag you all into the biggest Vietnamese Hell Hole in History... Again, I dont plan on destroying Ostia, only defending myself to the point at which he stops attacking me.

Hmmm... this is a bit confusing.

I'm going to declare war on Canadstein and begin operations against the Carribean, North America, and Sri Lanka, as well as perhaps the Cape Verde and other Atlantic islands later.

Officially, I'm in this war with Terror and Angermanland, with Kroando as an ally-of-convenience. Nonetheless, I will attempt no operations in Europe, and certainly not the Carribean, so my alliance with Ostia is safe.

On the other hand, if Canadstein feels he's in over his head (Which, it seems like, he is) then I will sign a peace treaty in exchange for his North American holdings, the Atlantic Islands, and Sri Lanka. At that point, I'll be obliged to aid my ally Ostia, which will mean helping him out...

This is a bit confusing, but basically for the moment I'm neutral in Europe and only taking action in the Atlantic and (Not very importantly) the Indian Oceans.

Tadjik, I have no quarrel with you and I desire no land on the Indian mainland, simply one colony off the coast. Even if we did go to war, I doubt it would end in anything but stalemate, as we're pretty much opposites militarily.

I dont plan on taking anything from Ostia besides what he takes from me. His standing army is relatively small, and I expect that by the time a sizeable army has been ammassed at my border, I will be able to diverge more men to the front. If and when I defeat Ostia's Army, I will offer a simple peace treaty in which he pays for the damages he caused, and that will be that. If he doesnt accept however...

If everyone decides to invade me, I couldnt care less. I would drag you all into the biggest Vietnamese Hell Hole in History... Again, I dont plan on destroying Ostia, only defending myself to the point at which he stops attacking me.


OOC: My army can become larger when i am in need of it, they are very professional of course. I will be going on a recruiting drive soon so i can beef up my forces, i feel war is near and it is the time...as for attacking your borders i will not..simply holy my own against you Kroando, i understood you wanted to invade my country...we shall see what happens once i rise a larger force.

I feel you are a threat to me now...

Here's my declaration of war on Canadstein...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483238

I quit. I lost interest also the fact that three people are ganging up on me. Just pretend that my country never existed.

id be glad to rp in this...if you need a map then i your man heh..

I quit. I lost interest also the fact that three people are ganging up on me. Just pretend that my country never existed.

Don't quit, we can still continue to Rp..thats not even cool...

I quit. I lost interest also the fact that three people are ganging up on me. Just pretend that my country never existed.

the intelligent solution would be to RP some diplomacy and reach agreements, gain allies, whatever...

and seriously, you tried to claime something like a third of the planet when you first started out, and you're right in everyone's back yards, so to speak. they have issues with that.

deal with it. quiting is just.. silly. you're derailing plots and scheams set in motion days ago, for one.

this is what is knowen as "poor sportsmanship"

incidently, you may be fighting on three fronts, but most of them couldn't care less about europe. i'm only interested in what i can get in africa, caladonn in the americas, and Terror is mostly only worryied about india.

*sigh* we had something like this in the PT rp too..

id be glad to rp in this...if you need a map then i your man heh..


well, if Canadstein Does quit, hows about you take over his country?

... if only because it's become kind of key to the PA's expansionistic tendancys :D

No war then?

Really I was worried about India too, I have no problems with Caladonn getting Sri Lanka, on the Indian subcontinent however, I preffered not to see anything change(unless I gain from it)

Canadstein shouldn't be quiting, he should be fighting. I have more respect and sympathy for a small party going down after a hard fight than a large party getting an easy victory.

both inteligent and elegantly put, Tadjikistan.

humm.. i want to get some more fleet actions going. they're kinda fun :D

anyone interested? so long as it stays at sea, i won't even drag in any allies.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483222) Mk1 is up and running. I haven't done any history for it yet, and political relations can start now.
Anyone who wants to have good or bad relations from a previous encounter, raise your hand!

This is it I'm quitting. I have about five nations against me so I'm going to just quit. Anyways your Empire will fall because you have too much land and you cannnot control all those people from far away. Example: British Empire.

Fine I will not quit then.

YAY! if i weren't warey of ambiguous implications you would be getting glomped right about now :)

heh. most of your enemys are thinking in terms of stratigy and spheres of influance anyway, rather than on a genocidal rampage, so if you're prepaired to shed lesser coloneys, the wars themselves will mostly just fizzle out, leaveing you mostly only worrying about europe and posibly the americas :)

Anyways all of your against and it seems you want me out. So I will leave.

This is it I'm quitting. I have about five nations against me so I'm going to just quit.


aww, come on. i was just getting all enthused about you Not quitting.

'sides, you knew about... at least 4 of them anyway.

so far as i'm aware only one or two of them want to kick you out of europe. the rest just want your colonies. it happend a lot historicaly. in some areas you may well actually gain rather than loseing, from this.

Anyways all of your against and it seems you want me out. So I will leave.


*sigh* i begin to suspect it might be better if you did, if only because of the attitude.

notice how the bulk of the declerations against you specificly limit the areas of the conflicts?

and there are at least as many nations who Arn't out to get you who you could drag in on your side.

AND you've got the largest freaken territory on the Planet. you could probibly gather an army/navey large enough to crush any one or two other nations with ease.

Well the first person to attack me had serious flaws. He kind of god mod. He assumed that my men wouldn't be on full alert. Well wrong. It would take time to build that defense wall so by that time they would be on full alert. That means would put everyone on full alert. Plus It me vs pretty much everyone.

So that person as only gotten a few miles in. So I will think about posting, so I'm not quitting. I'm just so confused.

Well the first person to attack me had serious flaws. He kind of god mod. He assumed that my men wouldn't be on full alert. Well wrong. It would take time to build that defense wall so by that time they would be on full alert. That means would put everyone on full alert. Plus It me vs pretty much everyone.


humm.. not quite sure he hit the point of godmodeing, but it was... pushing it. a lot. this is true.

as of right now, you're faceing the PA, in various parts of the world, none of whome are interested in your european holdings, and one mad bunny who's ONLY interested in your european holdings.

where ever you focus, you'll keep, i think.

I think we should kick him. He is a doing godmods. Its annoy. Plus that thing he made would take forever. They wouldn't use iron shovels and it would take forever even to make all those stakes. So he should be gone without any questions. Also when did he get missles?

You can just say that fighting is occuring along the border of all the countries. Also that the garrison on Sir Lanka doesn't know. I have forts along the shore. In Africa I don't care about the small land. Before the men leave they are buring whole villages then moving back to Morocco.

OOC: Since when the hell does everyone have such a high population? This the the 1770's. You are a godmodder and I'm not going to accept this as a valid thread. Also I didn't have time to moblize my army you imbecile.


Every nation in this RP has high population. i think it's mostly so they can justify larger armys and thus bigger, more divers, and more interesting battles.

insults are uncalled for. true, this invasion/defense plan has problems. this can be rectified. the only way this style of role play can work, however, is with a reasonable qauntity of respect From everyone, For everyone. else we have to start modderateing it, and createing solid rules and limits and codes... and that jsut drains the fun out of it for eveyone.

i can understand that you're not happy with the current situation. i doubt poland was happy with world war 2 either, and with much greater cause.

these things happen. work through it, work it out. otherwise, well, there is a door. it will be annoying, but the RP Can continue without you. or without anyone, really, so long as there is still Someone.

... you know, i'm going to put this in the main thread, rather than the one that quote is from.


on a different note: technicly, anything fired from a bow, balista, crossbow, cannon, or anything of that nature is a "missile"

at this point, the factual and technical errors only need correction, not kicking or banning or anything like that.

i suggest you try calming down. it helps. a lot.

edit: if you were refuring to modern rocket propelled missiles in the pictures, it's not really relivant. i belive they were pictures of the modern equivilants of what he's trying for. i say this as i see no mention of missiles in the text?

I'm ignoring his attack until he fixes his stuff. Plus he attacked me from north Belgium that is right in the middle of Canadstein Netherland. So he has a lot to fix.

I'm ignoring his attack until he fixes his stuff. Plus he attacked me from north Belgium that is right in the middle of Canadstein Netherland. So he has a lot to fix.


fair and more than fair. and a very logical responce. i commend you :)

I might not post until tommorrow to think over a good plan. Also I put whats happening in the Colonies. All of Asia is fleeing to Sir Lanka. All of Africa is leaving by ship toward Morocco and in North Mexico they are waiting for the war to start. In the Carribean the armada has been active and in the Atlantic islands pretty much nothing. So I'm pretty much getting rid of the person in Africa and I'm going to try to make a treaty so that I can keep Sri Lanka. So that would leave me with just with North America and Europe.

If your Southern African territories (Morocco was never a target for me, sorry if I didn't make that clear) are being evacuated; and you're vacating India to Sri Lanka; I have no further quarrel with you. I was after your Indian enclaves and African coastal territories, after all.
This means that initially my fleet, and then my army, will be coming to aid my ally Ostia; in the interests of Ostia they can co-ordinate with you also.
So it ain't you against the world. In Europe it's now you Ostia and me against Kroando.

Oh yeah, I won't be posting now till Sunday evening.

And that probably ends Tadjikistans problem in India.

I recently had this crazy Idea of making a map India with some NPC 'nations' on it. Its good for trade and gives me the idea that I actually have neighbours. What do you people think?

You might as well use the individual Hindu and Muslim kingdoms of the time, if you can get a map. Tippoo Sultan and all that.

You might as well use the individual Hindu and Muslim kingdoms of the time, if you can get a map. Tippoo Sultan and all that.


Sind, Mahratta confederacy, Nizam territory, the Bengal State. I have an 18th century map made by an english cartographer so that is the easy part. They wouldnt be exactly in the same place as the real map though.

Im pretty sure i will be mobilizing an army soon to move into Kronado, scratch what i said before it is time a move is made....

Canadstein, Terror? i asume you will be with me?

Um, Canadstein, this is slightly ridiculous. Kroando has done a few things not worthy of commendation, surely, but calling for him being banned and threatening to quit is not good. I agree with Angermanland- if you claim 1/3 of the world, then expect to have people fight you for it.

I am glad of your decision not to quit, however, and I think you're making the best of a bad situation. Therefore, I'm willing to give you an easier offer- I understand you really want to keep Sri Lanka, so I'll let you keep that if you want to sign a peace treaty with me. If you just cede me the stuff I asked for before, then not only will I become neutral with you, but I'll actually help you out.

And that probably ends Tadjikistans problem in India.

I recently had this crazy Idea of making a map India with some NPC 'nations' on it. Its good for trade and gives me the idea that I actually have neighbours. What do you people think?


well, seeing as how the "Han" in this reality appear to have colapsed... why not? do china as well. heh. three kingdoms or waring states, i wonder?

that way we won't end up wtih the problem we've got in PT, where no one can attack the Han coz they're just too freaken BIG.

China in 1770 was still big but united. they weren't the force they are in our PT era.

its also possible that they'll have lost control of India, and Korea by now as well.

well, seeing as how the "Han" in this reality appear to have colapsed... why not? do china as well. heh. three kingdoms or waring states, i wonder?

that way we won't end up wtih the problem we've got in PT, where no one can attack the Han coz they're just too freaken BIG.

I'll have to find out more about China in that period offcourse, I'll have to search for a map(shouldnt be a problem, just takes some time), the biggest problem is a good map that I can alter, Because the India map that I got was a lucky hit.

China in 1770 was still big but united. they weren't the force they are in our PT era.

its also possible that they'll have lost control of India, and Korea by now as well.

It should never be so big that it can have three times the regular army of an(y) enemy, It should never have been so huge in the PT RP either. I'll say it again, If someone claims China here, he should take a normal(definitly not 100 million) population and an army that is nummericaly equal to the others.

Seeing as several states now have colonies in India, I'd say, the Chinese power is gone.

Tadjik, will you accept me holding Canadstein's Indian enclaves but not expanding beyond them? Or is there gonna have to be a diplomatic fracas over it?

I plan on taking the enclaves myself, maybe there can be diplomacy later, however that cant change my plans.


Also my India map is almost done, Its got my own republic(part), the foreign colonies, Sind, Mahratta confederacy, Bengal, Rajputana, Nizam and Mysore on it as well as some ungoverned land.
I've done some research too, and each state will have 'some' historical accuracy. Just give me some time to upload it and I'll give you all a link, dont expect anything fancy though, I'm no artist (well, not with this thing)

My map of India
http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/India3.bmp

With Bengal, Mysore, Mahratta, Sind, Rajputana, Nizam and the Sikh States.

Mysore is the state led by Sultan Tippoo, its roughly in the same place I it was originally, Mysore is a state led by a muslim but Tippoo was a very openminded man and had Hindu's in his administration. He's going to be a friend of Tadjikistan
Sind is originally a province of Pakistan, in the south at the coast, but since I own that part and Sind was a large and strong province in those days I moved them into India and created it there. Its muslim controlled but has a minority of Hindu's (even today there are 1.5 million Hindu's in Sind province), Sind will be an allie of Tadjikistan whom we will provide with arms to fight its enemies.

Among those enemies is the Mahratta confederacy, its sort of an alliance of different hindu warlords, led by a five man council, they are the main enemies of such states as Sind and Nizam, they'll be enemies(I dont plan on fighting them directly though).

Nizam is actually called 'the Nizamate of of Hyderabad', I placed the state in the same location as the real one too. Its a muslim state, though we wont help them directly. We regard them as allies and Tadjikistan will sporadically send them some military aid.

Rajputana is somewhat os a fake state, it never had much power and did not live a long life, Its a Hindu state, but it remains mostly neutral in the Indian wars.

The Sikh States was a collection of smaller Sikh kingdoms, the whole region is led by a Maharajah, its a Hindu state, another enemy.

And that leaves us with the last state, Bengal, the predessecor of Bangladesh, a muslim state(was once called East Pakistan), but it wont receive any direct help from Tadjikistan eventhough we have some influence in this region.

The two states that Tadjikistan has most influence in is Mysore and Sind, militarilly they are also among the strongest(especially Mysore). The Mahratta confederacy is large and has huge numbers but its a collection of warlords who feud internally while their armies are ill-equipped(they lost several battles such as the one at Panipat because of internal feuding).

Coming to India for bussiness or colonizing is allowed, but try to stay realistic, dont just brush these people aside. Sultan Tippoo managed to beat the English, so they are no untrained ragheads.
If anyone joins the RP and wants land in India then that'll be no problem.

So? That good enough?

Looks good. It think I have one or two small enclaves too though.

Perhaps after the Spizania war is finished up Terror and I could do something about India with you.

Ok, Tadjik, looks pretty good.

Any expansion in India I do is going to be either establishing more trading ports, or expanding and linking the enclaves I already have.

Or possibly...lend some cohesion to the Mahratta Confederacy. ;)

i think most nations would be content to have ports and stick with that. the Kirisuban treaty port system may well work for the Indian kingdoms.

Well no, long term I won't be happy with that; I'll want at least self-sustaining enclaves, which due to expanding population will need ever-larger hinterlands.
The other problem is the uneasiness that will be felt at the existence of powers great enough to overcome the enclaves, without substantial support from Incognitia to defend them.
However...that's long term. For now, the enclaves will suffice, though I'll want a blind eye turned to the capture of some ungoverned territory in return for letting you keep Canadstein's enclaves.

Well none of you are getting Sri Lanka. That place is getting to be a massive fort.

Getting to be a massive fort as my bomb-ketches simultaneously destroy your forts by firing shells at them...

Mwoohaha. We can't be far off being able to get shrapnel shells, right?

I believe Lieutenant Shrapnell invents them soon IRL...

Thought he was a Lieutenant Colonel? Well, anyway, I know they were a fairly recent invention in Napoleonic times, so they can't be too far off.

Well no, long term I won't be happy with that; I'll want at least self-sustaining enclaves, which due to expanding population will need ever-larger hinterlands.
The other problem is the uneasiness that will be felt at the existence of powers great enough to overcome the enclaves, without substantial support from Incognitia to defend them.
However...that's long term. For now, the enclaves will suffice, though I'll want a blind eye turned to the capture of some ungoverned territory in return for letting you keep Canadstein's enclaves.

The grey area is ungoverned(or controlled by small but insignificant kingdoms so its perfectly possible to expand there. Though if you take too much land, we will take (some sort of) action.

Tadjkistans waepons industrry flourishes thanks to the hostilities in India and Tadjikistan is, among the muslim kingdoms, a good friend and allie. We preffer to keep the situation as it is, but if someone threatens that position we have, we'll do what is necessary to take away that threat (this includes invasions, but i'd like to keep those as a last option, the NPCs offer alot of possibilities)

Im back from my weekend, just wanted to say hi to everyone and apoligize for my absence...

The grey area is ungoverned(or controlled by small but insignificant kingdoms so its perfectly possible to expand there. Though if you take too much land, we will take (some sort of) action.

Tadjkistans waepons industrry flourishes thanks to the hostilities in India and Tadjikistan is, among the muslim kingdoms, a good friend and allie. We preffer to keep the situation as it is, but if someone threatens that position we have, we'll do what is necessary to take away that threat (this includes invasions, but i'd like to keep those as a last option, the NPCs offer alot of possibilities)

Yeah, at the moment you seem to view India as a private fiefdom, and operate a Monroe Doctrine of sorts. That will not be acceptable in the long term, so though I don't know what form our opposition to it will take, we will oppose that.

Compare it to Central and South America, Its the US's private backyard, and they want to keep it that way.

I wouldn't mind, if I wasn't so close to India. Southern India is as close, if not closer, to me than to you.

But you still have the ocean seperating you from the Indian region and none of those on the subcontinent are of any threat to you, while they could start a campaign against my land, the Mahratta confederacy even shares a border with Tadjikistan.