NationStates Jolt Archive

The New Age of Imperialism(Vol. I)

This game starts in 1917, when the world is in a bitter fight. France and Russia were attacked early 1914 by the Central Powers, an alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy, the Ottoman Empire, China and Japan. England and America remained neutral, but Britain supported the Central Powers unofficially. France struck back by attacking Germany, which caused a trench war to erupt in Alsace-Lorraine and the French-Italian border. Russia, under attack from the West, South and East crumbled early 1916 and signed a disadvantageous peace treaty with the Central Powers. Russia was carved up in several states and had to give up a lot of territory. Poland and the Baltic States became German, Austria-Hungary occupied the Ukraine, the Ottoman Empire got the Caucasus States and China and Japan divided Siberia with Japan getting the Russian Far East (the area around Vladivostok up to the river Amur) and China the rest. Finland and the Turkic nations in Central Asia became puppet states of Germany and the Ottoman Empire. In the remainder of Russia (Modern day European Russia and Byelorussia) a communist revolution broke out and the Bolsjewists under Lenin took power.

The battle with France continues however. China had invaded Indochina mid-1914 and after a short but fierce struggle the Chinese occupied the French Colony early 1915. Japan invaded and occupied the French Pacific Possessions in 1914 and 1915, the battle for New Caledonia marking the end of the Great War in the Pacific In Europe the war continued with repeated but useless attacks by both sides along the frontline. Just like in RL WWI those attacks resulted in no gains in territory but a lot of casualties on both sides. The use of Chemical and Biological Weapons was first used by China and Japan at the Battle of Chita and soon every nation used the much feared weapons.

The Ottoman Empire meanwhile made good use of their renewed strength and ended the Balkan Wars in their favour. Greece was annexed, but a strong resistance was still hindering the Ottomans.

All across the world battles have raged, and more battles are being planned. You can decide what strategy your country will follow (within reason of course). Will the US join the French and make this a true world war? Will the Russian revolutionary spirit spread over the globe? It’s up to you to decide.

Your country needs YOU!

Ooc. This is basically a continuation of the 2nd Age of Imperialism. We broke up and decided to skip a few years.

Players:

Japan: Warta Endor (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10923111#post10923111) Supreme Mod
China: Sharina WAR MOD (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474375&page=2)
Germany: Elite Battle Hordes NPC MOD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473469)
Several Rebel Factions: Sukiada REBEL MOD
Austria-Hungary: Hanseastic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10914875#post10914875)
Ottoman Empire: Voxio
Italy: Koryan
France: Titicus (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10856433#post10856433)
Great Britain: the Gate Builders (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10931212#post10931212)
USA: Vietnamexico
Afrikan Revolutionary Core: Kroando (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10930127&posted=1#post10930127)
South Africa: Lachenburg (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10934355#post10934355)
Argentina: Franberry
Nebarri Prime: Spain (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10958518#post10958518)

Rules

1. Respect other players, both IC and OOC. It’s ok to lose oneself in an RP, but don’t go too far.
2. Before you start RPing, make your fact book.
3. A decent knowledge of the history of the world and especially of your country is necessary. You can always search google for info or go to:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/
http://www.wikipedia.org

4. I will act as a moderator, and I will appoint two other sub-moderators. They will help me with the task of moderating, acting as judge in disputes etc. I will probably also appoint a tech mod, but it must be someone with some experience and a lot of knowledge, so…
5. The Timescale will be 1RL week=1 IC Year except in cases of major wars, when we'll slow down a bit.
6. When you join, make sure that you have enough time to post regularly. Vacations and schoolwork are a good excuse for a lapse of posts.
7. Sukiada will handle all Rebel movements, in the same way as EBH handles the NPC's.
8. Have Fun! Enjoy! Remember, it’s a GAME!

IC Thread coming up later, for now I think we only need the Great War thread.

Started!!!

Great War Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481711)

Afrikaner Revolutie (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481843)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10914875#post10914875

New N/D thread

Do I sign up here? If so, Can I claim Great Britain?

Yes you sign up here. Wait for Warta to get confirmed though

TAG for reference.

Warta, is it safe to assume the Russian Black Sea Fleet is split between the Ottomans and I? I'll find the navy size soon

Also- you forgot Russia as being open

Warta, is it safe to assume the Russian Black Sea Fleet is split between the Ottomans and I? I'll find the navy size soon

Also- you forgot Russia as being open

I propose keeping Russia "closed" until we sort out the Great War and everything. Then once the dust clears, we can go ahead and "open up" Russia to interested players.

This is to prevent any Russian players from interfering or god-modding while we're writing the war history and such (at least until the war officially ends).

French thread rewritten:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10856433#post10856433

Overview: French troops battling in Europe and navy blockading Germany. French colonial troops are aggresively striking at enemy (mainly German) colonies in Africa.

France requests meetings for peace with Japan and China to discuss ending the war with them and any possible reparations. In addition, France would like to see any captured soldiers repatriated in exchange for cessation of French seized lands

I propose keeping Russia "closed" until we sort out the Great War and everything. Then once the dust clears, we can go ahead and "open up" Russia to interested players.

This is to prevent any Russian players from interfering or god-modding while we're writing the war history and such (at least until the war officially ends).

sounds good to me

Although my attendence on the previous AoI was quite, well..., non-exsistant (I apologize for that), I still do reserve an interest in the continuation of this RP. Thus, if you would let me, perhaps I could take up the role of Great Britain (it appears to be un-occupied at the moment)?

Although my attendence on the previous AoI was quite, well..., non-exsistant (I apologize for that), I still do reserve an interest in the continuation of this RP. Thus, if you would let me, perhaps I could take up the role of Great Britain (it appears to be un-occupied at the moment)?

I'd be more than happy to have you RP again, Lachenburg. I did enjoy your RP's in the original AoI. :)

There was someone else who previously requested Britain I believe

There was someone else who previously requested Britain I believe

I haven't seen anybody post about wanting to be the UK in a while, and I haven't seen anybody "follow up" on the desire to want to play the UK, so I think its safe to say that Lachenburg should be given UK (partly because he's a good RP'er, and partly because he has more experience in AoI).

Do I sign up here? If so, Can I claim GB?


3rd post. But it doesn't really matter much, if people want Lachenburg, that's fine with me

3rd post. But it doesn't really matter much, if people want Lachenburg, that's fine with me

(proceeds to smack himself repeatedly on the head with a crowbar)

I didn't realize Gate Builders claimed GB- in fact if we abbreviate his name it says "GB" as well, in addition to Galveston Bay. Too many "GB's" mixing around (smacks head again).

Titicus, how can France effectively blockade Germany when I have the more powerful fleet?

Could I transfer to Sweden? I think it'd be fun to rebuild the Kalmar Union and unite Scandinavia again (especially with Russia out of the picture).

you have the more powerful fleet, huh.

ok, then forget about that

Koryan, don't quite Italy, now is your chance to take French Africa and Corsica. Besides, Finland is my puppet, I wouldn't appreciate you trying to annex it, and I don't think Sweden would want to go to war with Germany.

I did participate in AoI II for some time as Siam, but was forced to leave due to internet issues. I am hoping that this will not stop me from joining this version. I was interested in RP'ing a African Revolutionary Army of some sort, a very real possibility with the Central Powers in such a better off position. It would either originate somwhere in the anarchtic Belgian Congo, or possibly French North Africa... of course, this movement would be heavily reliant on foriegn funding, but seeing as France is still a very real threat, it would be in the German's best intrest to see a large Afrikan Army overthrowing French Algeria.

Officially, I want to RP as a African Revolutionary Army in the Beligan Congo, the most likely place for a rebellion. (Historically, the hatred between the Beligans and Africans was insane, as the treatment of the workers in the Congo was horendous.)

I'd be happy to have Kronado RP the Congo in this RP- should be interesting to have some people play African or South American nations instead of all the powerful ones (USA, UK, Germany, etc.)

Koryan, don't quite Italy, now is your chance to take French Africa and Corsica. Besides, Finland is my puppet, I wouldn't appreciate you trying to annex it, and I don't think Sweden would want to go to war with Germany.

Okay, on second thought I'll stay with Italy. That would be really wierd having Italian ships I ordered to build invading my country. :eek:

Also, what are we going to do about the Great Depression? Although Russia fell and Germany and France suffered heavy casulties, there aren't too many things that would ignite the depression in this.

Okay, on second thought I'll stay with Italy. That would be really wierd having Italian ships I ordered to build invading my country. :eek:

Also, what are we going to do about the Great Depression? Although Russia fell and Germany and France suffered heavy casulties, there aren't too many things that would ignite the depression in this.

debts. Pretty much all of us owe lots of money to companies and such. Inflation will rise, soldiers will find jobs gone, etc.

Officially, I want to RP as a African Revolutionary Army in the Beligan Congo, the most likely place for a rebellion. (Historically, the hatred between the Beligans and Africans was insane, as the treatment of the workers in the Congo was horendous.)
Well, if you go for north Africa I have some ideas. Send me a TG if you'd like to hear it.

Also, what are we going to do about the Great Depression? Although Russia fell and Germany and France suffered heavy casulties, there aren't too many things that would ignite the depression in this.
My country is moving off war production creating less jobs as well as the large number of soldiers retunring to civilian life. That combined with my western debts to repay will create a depression for myself. Not sure one would reach outside of europe.


I'll start RPing soon, I wasn't able to come online much over the weekend so I'm running behind.

OOC: Alright, so what's the final ruling on Great Britain? I don't mean to be pushy, but I'd like to get a 'yes' or 'no' answer as soon as possible so I can salvage the history of the previous player.

I am also anxious to get an answer... Because I'm bored :)

Lachenburg and Gate Builders, please give me your second choices (nation, that is) just in case.

Gate Builders, I'd like to see a sample of your RP and what got you interested in this RP. Also why did you choose GB (just curious about that one)? Its just that I know pretty much everybody in this RP and I'd like to know you better as a player and as a RP'er (hope you don't mind).

If you want examples it's not hard to use the search function :)

I chose GB because I'm from England. It made sense.

well, sorry for not posting so long guys. I had a real sucky day yesterday. During PE an idiot jumped right on top of my knee during PE class...

It's iddifcult with two nations claiming GB. Lachenburg is a very good RPer, but I don't want to hinder a new talen, so...

Maybe one of the two could claim the US of A.

Thanks for being so enthiousiastic with the new idea. I'll write the Great War thread soon.

Kroando, good and interesting idea! If you can find information etc. about it, it would be great!

The Great War Thread is up.

As to the question of the Black Sea fleet, all Russian Fleets are captured by the following powers:

Baltic: Germany
Black Sea: Austria-Hungary
Pacific: Japan

You forgot to add in the link to my China thread from a few weeks ago for the pre-WW-1 AoI version 2 (just use the one I already have, as not much has changed- as everything in the Chinese thread is part of "history" now in AoI).

added

OOC: To break the stalemate over Great Britain, I shall gladly withdraw my claim and place it, instead, upon South Africa.

After all, it makes no sense to hold up the potential progress of this RP on such nonsense as a contested nation.

(In the event that nation is taken as well, place me down for Belgium).

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481819 - The Afrikan Revolutionary Core

OOC: To break the stalemate over Great Britain, I shall gladly withdraw my claim and place it, instead, upon South Africa.

-Glad to see I have a neighbor.

We have a South Africa and a Afrikan Liberation Movement!

[I love Lachenburg!:fluffle: ]

[I love Lachenburg!:fluffle: ]

And we have a Britain! :D

Post your factbooks soon, guys!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10931212#post10931212

The Factbook of GB. I'm adding fleet listings as fast as I can find them and make them a little easier to read.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481843 - This is the War thread for the Revolution, so far the only movements ive gotten around to making is a large attack on Algiers (from within) and a slave revolt in the Belgian Congo.

This has reminded me that we do not have a Belgian, Spanish or Portugese Player, so im not sure of what the policy is on NPC forces. If the mods would like to take over as the Belgian-Portugese-Spanish Forces in the Colonies, that would be great.

Can I come back as Argentina?

Would anyone object to me being a neutral news reporter in addition to AH? I'll basically just mention world events, and some reactions

Sounds like a good idea to me... a 'neutral' newspaper... hell, you could be the editor, and have five or six reporters which update all members and perspective members on world events.

Is it too early for me to offer assistance to the French or Belgians?

I thought you were on our side....

As for the newspaper, I was going to do news reports about the combat, but I would keep my role as AH. I just thought it would be cool to offer some in depth stuff on the war, add in some historical stuff, etc.

Why would Great Britain assist forces attempting to harm colonial authority? Britain would want to protect the image of colonial government as solid and strong, given that Britain has significant holdings in Africa.

Is it too early for me to offer assistance to the French or Belgians?

France and Belgium? Check my map of Revolutionary influence... there are revolutionaries in Western Sudan and Zambia. They have not made themselves known, but they'll be popping up in time.

EDIT: And as to why youd help the rebels. No real reason besides the fact that you are friendly towards the central powers, and the rebels are aiding their cause.

Aww, crap. Looks like there'll be some native oppressing to do :(

PARTY TIME!

so you would help the Central Powers covertly, and stop the ARC? That seems to make sense, but the way you're going right now in the game, you might just simply end up trying to put down rebellions in your areas

I may end up giving some limited aid, but looking closely into my own borders.

Can I come back as Argentina?

I'm guessing so

Well, I was on and took the position of the USA, and then my internet failed (damn wireless laptop). Maybe something less important I could take. All this talk of taking up revolutionaries, maybe I could be a Kurdish rebellion which will eventually spread throughout roughly present-day Iran, Kuwait and Iraq? Create a Kurdistan and all...but not all Kurdish (anti-Ottoman).

If anyone likes that idea, then I may persue it. If no one does, maybe French North Africa would be a good rebellion place, since I don't want to play an established nation...just help bring them down.

Yeah, French North Africa sounds good for you.

>_>

<_<

I think you may have a harder time with Kurdistan simply because of its proximity to the heart of the Ottoman empire, and the Ottomans easy ability to crush resistance there. Africa seems more successful, because France is more detached, and has few troops to handle the area

Having said that, by 1917 the Ottoman empire was a bit of a laughing stock as far as imperial power went.

And it has been noted that the Ottomans are suffering from internal unrest (assuming mostly in Baltics). Reguardless, I think a few Allies may want to give me some Garands and such and blow a freakin Turk to high Hell. Maybe some more info on the Ottomans now in this timeline, before I decide?

Garand? Not unil '32 :D

Figure of speech of someone who may want to support me :-P

And it has been noted that the Ottomans are suffering from internal unrest (assuming mostly in Baltics). Reguardless, I think a few Allies may want to give me some Garands and such and blow a freakin Turk to high Hell. Maybe some more info on the Ottomans now in this timeline, before I decide?

Ottomans made a lot of military deals with Austria-Hungary, basically giving it nice artillery and a strong navy. The stopped the Balkan wars from ending, and annexed Greece. They haven't suffered the massive casualties that helped knock them out of the war, no large defeats to encourage rebels (lots of victories instead), and no allied forces nearby to support rebel forces

I'd give you some pointy sticks but... Yeah.

Hmm, then I think French Africa it is (North, since Kro has outspokenly wanted Belgium's claims and some). Anything else I need to know besides that I should check out the African Revolutionaries Core?

Kroando is actually already doing rebellions in French north africa, to my extreme happiness. So thats probably a no unless you want to talk to him.

And the Ottoman Empire may have had new military deals, but that does not hide the fact that its economy and internal politics are horrible along with the lack of centralized power. It will fall from within sooner or later, military deals cannot save it.

Since Montenegro was about to get stomped on by Italy right before the last rp ended, are we going to assume it's under Italian control now?

Expect major British involvement in the Great War.

Britannia's back - and this time

IT'S PERSONAL!

Well, Kro, whenever you see this, go ahead and express conserns for an entire North French African revolt headed by me. I would not mind ruling Osea...

he has already made a war post about it

And France calls for Britain to join it in the war agains the central powers

And Koryan, I think it is safe to say you occupied Montenegro - but just to tell you, the forces you sent were not sufficent. You sent like 25,000 ish, and that is not enough to subdue Montenegro - though you have enough men to do it anyways

I've delivered an ultimatum to Germany. It's safe to say that plenty of Tommies will be helping you out, Titicus.

Having said that, by 1917 the Ottoman empire was a bit of a laughing stock as far as imperial power went.
In the real world.

In the RP I have done much modernizing and rebuilt my imperial status. The Ottomans are not the same crumbling Empire they were at this point [In fact I have regained Greece]. I've also started a nifty little air force that IRL was stopped when the pilots in training were sent to the balkans and lost.

I also have several million soldiers in my military. Bad time to pick a fight with a nation is when they are still mobilized.

And the Ottoman Empire may have had new military deals, but that does not hide the fact that its economy and internal politics are horrible along with the lack of centralized power. It will fall from within sooner or later, military deals cannot save it.
Well, during the war I've been building factories to both create arms and create jobs. I'll detail changes in my factbook this weekend.

As for the decentralized power, some time back in the old RP I set into motion the creation of Parlimentary Democracy. At this point it is mainly on the local level, but as the war comes to an end the parliament will gain more influence on the government.

Military victories against Russia have also stableized the internal politics with the aristocracy being the most problematic as they are fighting their loss of power with the rise of democracy. The citizens have supported more democracy over the aristocrats and thus lessening the power they held.

My empire is still developing, but thanks to the central powers it's much more stable than it was.
And Koryan, I think it is safe to say you occupied Montenegro - but just to tell you, the forces you sent were not sufficent. You sent like 25,000 ish, and that is not enough to subdue Montenegro - though you have enough men to do it anyways
Gotta agree with Titicus here. The montenegrans had many more troops than the Italians, though I don't know if they could have survived a prolonged war with italy.

Of course, all your 'empires' are a bunch of pansies compared to my Empire. :p

Of course, all your 'empires' are a bunch of pansies compared to my Empire. :p

and your Asian empire collapses once you join the Allies.
As for Montenegro, it's also facing Austria-Hungary as well

Bah, my Empire will remain strong for all eternity!

I must have a goal, and an eternal empire seems smart :D

and in order to keep an eternal empire, you shouldn't go off and join the allies. China and Japan are extremely strong right now

I don't intend to fight a a war in the East. I can at least count on my naval superiority for something, though...

you don't want a war in the east, but I doubt China and Japan will do nothing while you attack, and your navy means nothing in India "the jewel of the empire"

Yup. The jewel of the Empire, which is heavily garrisoned, by professional British and Indian troops.

Indian troops, who will see a chance to be free of British control and be a soverign state. The British troops can't be everywere at once as well, and you can't hope to keep a 2 front war going, especialy seeing as China's army is more than 1 million soldiers by now, not to mention Japan

The Indian forces were incredibly loyal. During both world wars they were some of the toughest and most loyal troops. They had generally low desertion rates.

EDIT: wow. What a compliment, 'generally low desertion rates'. :D

Lang levend Zuid-Afrika! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10934355#post10934355)

And Koryan, I think it is safe to say you occupied Montenegro - but just to tell you, the forces you sent were not sufficent. You sent like 25,000 ish, and that is not enough to subdue Montenegro - though you have enough men to do it anyways

That was just my warning force I sent. I hadn't actually declared war yet (they were just there to remind Montenegro I was just a quick swim away in case they decided to put up a fight).

The Indian forces were incredibly loyal. During both world wars they were some of the toughest and most loyal troops. They had generally low desertion rates.

EDIT: wow. What a compliment, 'generally low desertion rates'. :D

Certainly some units were loyal, but not all were. In RL, the Japanese formed the Army of India to help take India. Besides, the circumstances are different. In RL, Indian troops were fighting in Europe against Fascists. In Asia, they are fighting on their homeland, with promises of freedom from a generally free govt. in this RP. Plus a million man army helps

If this RP followed any kind of logic, you wouldn't have all of Europe bar France in the central powers. China and Japan wouldn't EVER ally, there was too much historical baggage, and China at this point should be cowering, given that British gunboats can sail right into their country.

:)

gotta say, without a doubt that despite the advances the Chinese and Japanese have made they are not on the level of the British. Or French for that matter, but they did have a huge numerical and surprise advantage, which is why I let Indochina fall

And the British have shown in the past that they can fight on many fronts

Put it this way, on the allied side: the world's two greatest armies and the greatest navy, the British and the French. Two massive armies who can count on huge resources and conscript forces. On the other: a bunch of contenders, and the world's second-best navy.

to be truthful, though I do hate to say it, I would call the German army the greatest in the world

No way. Against the nearly entirely professional Royal Army and the large, quick-deploying French Army? Nooo.

Put it this way, on the allied side: the world's two greatest armies and the greatest navy, the British and the French. Two massive armies who can count on huge resources and conscript forces. On the other: a bunch of contenders, and the world's second-best navy.

France can only count on half the number of reserves Germany has, Germany does have a superior army, and submarines will be able to count for a lot. Itlay and AH armies are much modernized, and not as weak as they were in RL

No way. Against the nearly entirely professional Royal Army and the large, quick-deploying French Army? Nooo.


Royal Army=small. By the end of the war Britain was at the bottom of the barrel. Besides, these kinds of wars rip the hearts out of professional armies. The french Army wan't exactly quick-deploying, and there strategy wasn't wa\hat you;d call great (Plan 17)

Of course the Royal Army was small, it was the most highly trained army of the period. Of course it was decimated by the war, Britain had a small population to count on.

The French were quick to deploy. The Taxi-cab Army allowed troops to be in position to defend the capital very quickly, when you consider Germany suprised France completely.

Historically, the German Army was #1, Britain #2. Other way around in the realm of Navies. Here, I dont know.

About North Africa. Ive already began some pretty serious Revolutionizing there, however, theres plenty of it to go around. Ive only declared there being around 85,000 troops so far, so you can make a Revolutionary Army out of some band of Berbers or Taureg and make it your own. As ive said, the ARC is not unified, you can make up a General, and be half of the North African Movement for all I care. This would be easier to discuss over AIM.

Of course the Royal Army was small, it was the most highly trained army of the period. Of course it was decimated by the war, Britain had a small population to count on.

The French were quick to deploy. The Taxi-cab Army allowed troops to be in position to defend the capital very quickly, when you consider Germany suprised France completely.

But the French didn't plan for that to happen, they used them in an emergency because otherwise Paris would have fallen. Being highly trained was good, but it still took horrendous casualties. The XIV corps in AH was extremly well trained and proffesional, and took 4/5 casualties and decimated

I have seen it a lot where nations advance quickly in these rps - too quickly. I have no doubt that Italy and Austria could have been made stronger and more centralized by your rping, but not that greatly. Nations do not change that much in 10-20 years except in few exceptions. Many try reforms, most fail. So just instituting reforms cannot all of a sudden make your country stable and prosperous.

And the British army was forced to introduce conscription because its professional army was too small - but the conscript army was still very good

I never said that my nation was great, it's still rather weak, and has to hold down Serbia. I gave a RL example of an excellent AH corps that was devestated, and never recovered as an example of recruits aren't nearly as good. Britain may have an okay conscription, but it was still not as good as the main army, and training time is heavily cut down because we need more soldiers

Unless Germany seriously screwed up, they should have the strongest army. Historically, the German Army was the best trained, best armed, most loyal and best lead army around. They were a mimick of the British Army... but bigger. They seem weak to me hear... in RL, they carried the Central Powers on their back the entire time.

The French had a strong Military, but saying that it is better than the German Army is crazy. In WWI, the combind armies of France and Britain had trouble holding off 3/4 of the German Army. Unless Germany went on a peace loving hippie campaign, they should still be the strongest.

OOC: Alright guys, let's try to concentrate more on the RPing than on the arguing. After all, we can't prove who really has the best army at the moment unless we actually fight the war, now can't we?

Besides, the quality of the Soldier isn't everything. Lest us not forget the role of the Commander in all this rubbish.

OOC: Alright guys, let's try to concentrate more on the RPing than on the arguing. After all, we can't prove who really has the best army at the moment unless we actually fight the war, now can't we?

Besides, the quality of the Soldier isn't everything. Lest us not forget the role of the Commander in all this rubbish.


Troop quality only makes for 1/4 of the equation in war.

War is divided into 4 parts.

1. Terrain (Where the battle is to take place)

2. Strategy / Tactics (Out-think the enemy)

3. Number and types of troops available. (infantry? tanks? planes? etc.)

4. Quality of troops. (peasants? regulars? elite?)


A good general with an average army or even a poor army can out-do a superior army through strategy, tactics, or utilize the terrain (like holding the tops of hills or force enemy troops through choke-points).

So lets drop the whole military debate and I can act as a war mod for Europe and determine what happens in Europe (rolling dice, comparing opposing armies tactics, and such).

Would you mind doing the same for Africa?

yes, please do, this is getting ridiculous!

Kroando is using forces that are far too large - they are not realistic in size or their perfect coordination from city to city. The Algerians did not have any such powerfull, omnipresent organization ever, not even in their independence in the 60's.

You can't hide 34,000 men in a sand dune! And any army deploys skirmishers - they would see the ambush! cmon

Okay, I can do that.

All you have to do is give me your troop numbers, types of units involved, and your general strategy for defeating your opponent.

However, this has to wait for a bit (probably until tomorrow) as I need to clean up my TG box.

At least we can all agree that the pickelhaube was the best helmet of the war. Hooray for German helmet design! :D

yes, please do, this is getting ridiculous!

Kroando is using forces that are far too large - they are not realistic in size or their perfect coordination from city to city. The Algerians did not have any such powerfull, omnipresent organization ever, not even in their independence in the 60's.

You can't hide 34,000 men in a sand dune! And any army deploys skirmishers - they would see the ambush! cmon

I've quickly skimmed the pages and it seems to be indeed pretty ridicoulous. Africans, then and now, hated each other as much as they hated the Europeans. I suggest that Kroando starts RPing with the build up of an organization. But to claim a 25 million men support base...

Kroando is using forces that are far too large

Historically, rebel armies are big. They are ill equipped, unorganized and big. To say that there are some hundred thousand angry rioters armed with various weapons in Algiers is outragous? There are a few hundred thousand people in Algiers. Is this a godmod? Am I godmoding by simply stating that there are as many people in the city as there actually are? Now lets take the next step. They dont like the French. Is this going to far? Is it crazy to say that the majority of oppressed people dont like their oppressors? Now tell me why these people cannot start attacking various French posts throughout the city. There is no reason that this should be deemed, 'Immpossible'.

perfect coordination

The fact that there are rebel attacks throughout a country over a period of three days is perfect coordination? You, not I, said word spread quickly of the Rebellion in Algiers. Why then can more people not riot, rebel? Why do they have to sit still and wait for the French to put down the Revolution. That is not how things work. There is no coordination here, just people in various cities deciding to start attacking Frenchmen. This is not coordination, this is how revolutions work.

You can't hide 34,000 men in a sand dune! And any army deploys skirmishers -they would see the ambush! cmon

Why can 34,000 men not be deployed over an area of some 5 miles. The map is alot bigger than you're thinking of, and of course, not accurate to the detail. It is much, much more flat than it appears. And dude, if you have skirmishers, RP the skirmishers detecting the enemy, and not going into the ambush zone.

Kroando is using forces that are far too large - they are not realistic in size or their perfect coordination from city to city. The Algerians did not have any such powerfull, omnipresent organization ever, not even in their independence in the 60's.

Size is no where near to large. To say that the majority of a city cannot riot is simply stupid. Coordination. There is no coordination at all. Saying that riots cannot occur at the same time is again, stupid.

I've quickly skimmed the pages and it seems to be indeed pretty ridicoulous. Africans, then and now, hated each other as much as they hated the Europeans. I suggest that Kroando starts RPing with the build up of an organization. But to claim a 25 million men support base...

As much as Europeans? Im not sure where you're getting that from, but there is no one the Congolese hated as much as the Belgians. And so far, the Africans from different areas have not been working together at all. There is no unity whatsoever. The Congan Movement doesnt even know of the North African Movement. Im not sure how this is so difficult to comprehend... this is not a single movement. These are different movements with similar goals. A 25 Million man support base... well, is it so insane to believe that 25million/30million oppressed Africans dont like European Rule? That is all that is meant by the word 'support base'. They are not tax paying, law abiding citizens.

Again, where are you seeing unity in the movement? Where have you seen coordination, or Africans from different parts of Africa working together? So far there has been Berbers working with Berbers against the French, and Congans working with Congans against the Belgians. As far as anyone can tell, they arent even the same movement as much as they are two separate movements. I dont know, you guys cant seem to understand it... mabey ill give Truitt North Africa, and just focus on the Congo.

After thinking it over, I have decided to give up the North African Movement, and focus on the Congo. This is not because I believe my RP has been 'goddmodish', but because I am overextending myself in trying to RP so many individual movements. Do what you please with North Africa, I am going to slim the ARC down to a Congan Movement, which may expand from there.

I will be changing my factbook, and deleting all North African RP's, I want to put more into the Congan Movement anyhow, this should give me plenty of time.

Sharina, will you be doing a thing like GB, with the wargaming, and if so, do you want my orders?

Sharina, will you be doing a thing like GB, with the wargaming, and if so, do you want my orders?

Yup. Guess I'll be AoI's version of GB (For those who don't know, refers to E20's Galveston Bay) then. ;)

Who's Sharina controlling?

Yup. Guess I'll be AoI's version of GB (For those who don't know, refers to E20's Galveston Bay) then. ;)

sweet, I've went back and looked at the reports, and they were the best I've seen in any RP. I'll be sending my orders to you soon.
By the way, what game is it that you're using?

Gate Builders- Sharina controls China

I recieved orders from Haneastic.

Now I need to know the orders from Titicus and Gate Builders, as well as other European players. Basically what I need is troop strength, strategy, goals, and objectives in the theater of operations you are involved in (for instance, France and Germany needs to TG me strategies, troops, etc. along their fronts).

I'm not sure where EBH is, but if he doesn't respond soon I can RP a little while for him

just TG him troop strength on each front, and what you want them to do (eg. 75,000 French troops to attack Strausbourg or something like that)

search world for Sharina, click on Sharina, and on the bottom of his profile, there is a send TG thing

all right, dispositions sent

excellent, with EBH back, all we need is Koryan and Voxio to send some orders and we're set

I'm staying out of the war as a combatant for the time being. Not for long, though.

Here's what I'm gonna do.

I need the orders / strategy plans from Gate Builders, Elite Battle Hordes and Voxio (You TG me your "orders" for your military like "I want my army to attack this or that" or "I attack one side with artillery and the other with tanks" or stuff like that).

I have the plans from France (Titicus), Italy (Koryan), and A-H (Haneastic).

I'm gonna game out each year into 1/3's (considering war isn't rapid-fire like it is in 1970 - present day). I'm gonna do 3 "tri-mesters"..

Trimester 1: Jan. - April

Trimester 2: May - August

Trimester 3: Sept. - December

Once I get the "orders" from the 3 other players- Voxio, EBH, and Gate Builders then I can do Trimester 1, and game it out. Then I'll post the results, then you read over the results then come up with a new set of orders or objectives for Trimester 2, and so on.

If you have any questions, ask away.

Sharina I'll send my orders as soon as Italy responds to my recent post.

i thought about join as Spain just before this was started, now i ask if i may join.

i thought about join as Spain just before this was started, now i ask if i may join.

only if you join the Central Powers...

Were is the front line in Italy?

only if you join the Central Powers...

i assume i would start out neutral

you must join the dark side....

you must join the dark side....
Yes, join us.

As to joining the dark side...
I think French Algeria and Morocco, just call it all French Algeria for now, may have a revolt force led by myself, then. Maybe a few Ottomans or Italians could help me out for a promise of expanding into other French african territories...

Reguardless, I plan on giving the French a hard time. My payback to them :-D

I will check out Kro's figures to see if they give me any idea of what I got...otherwise I'll just use Algeria's information and divide it by some number.

As to joining the dark side...
I think French Algeria and Morocco, just call it all French Algeria for now, may have a revolt force led by myself, then. Maybe a few Ottomans or Italians could help me out for a promise of expanding into other French african territories...

Reguardless, I plan on giving the French a hard time. My payback to them :-D

I will check out Kro's figures to see if they give me any idea of what I got...otherwise I'll just use Algeria's information and divide it by some number.

You would probably start of small but expand as people see your attacks against the french govt.

Nebarri Prime, I am sure Warta will let you be Spain as soon as he sees your request. And guys, I wouldn't worry about him not joining the central powers as it is clearly his best option (or staying neutral) for two reasons. First, because if he joins France there is still no guarantee that they will win, but if he joins us, thanks to his geographic position, we can't lose. Second, if France wins, they have nothing to offer him, the central powers possess few colonies. Britain and France combined, however, hold over 1/3 of the world's land mass.

and there's that nice chunk of France behind the Garonne...

I'll "game out" the war over the next couple of days with the orders I have (I got them from everybody now).

I'll post results in the next few days.

kudos to Sharina for doing all this

I have a question: What is the percentage of a population eligible for military service and will there be ramifications when a certain percentage of your population has been called up? I'm asking this because I see France has 12% of its population already in the army alone, and I'm wondering if this would effect its industrial output, etc. This holds true for all nations as well

If more than 10% of a country's population is drafted or put into the military during war-time, then the nation in question does suffer setbacks in production.

To put it simply, the more men you send off to war, the fewer men you have available to man your factories and industry. Women don't really make a huge difference until later in the century when day-care and "baby-sitting" becomes more common / widespread (look up USA during real life WW-2).

Remember, in the early 20th century (1900-1930), Women's Liberation and "Woman Power" has a long way before becoming tangible, as traditional stuff is still in place like women are expected to take care of the household chores and the children.

Thanks Sharina for the work you've done! :fluffle:

Nebarri, you're Spain. And it's his decision if he joins the entente or the Central Powers. Maybe its better to stay neutral...

France has nothign to offer, but Britain is rich and powerful, and currently reinforcing France.

Sweet, I have 10% mobilized right now, just before the stop time. AS for Spain, we can offer a lot more then the Allies can. This happened in RL with Italy, because the Allies could offer it Italia Irredenta, while the Central Powers could not. Here, we can offer them unlimited French territories and colonies, while the Allies cannot, because Spain only borders France and Portugal, and Portugal is neutral.

We can also offer them British colonies if Britain doesn't wise up before they have crossed the point of no return and forced us to call for unconditional surrender.

Portugal shouldn't be... It's the only state in Europe Britain has had consistently good relations with and has never had to bitch-slap :D

I'm ready to game out the Mediterrean naval battles. I need naval numbers for Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Britain.

How many German ships are in the Mediterrean (if any)? How many are in the North Sea (main fleet)?

Is Britain joining the war and actually going to attack or not? (Please TG me, Gate Builders).

Titicus, your number of 40 battleships is a little too high. In real life WW-1, France had roughly 6 to 8 dreadnought battleships and 16 - 20 pre-dreadnought battleships (a few were seized from Greece in RL, something that didn't happen in AoI timeline). Accounting for a substantial naval build-up in this timeline, I figure France has built 10 dreadnoughts and 20 pre-dreadnoughts.

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Once I finish the Mediterrean naval stuff, I will move onto the land battles (as naval stuff is pretty important as it will decide whether supply lines get through or not, especially between Europe and Africa).

I'm not joining the war officially now, and I'm not fighting naval battles in the Mediterranean.

Im going to need sombody to RP Belgium... any takers? Ive been RPing small Belgian Forces countering my troops, but I dont want to RP any large force of the enemies due to obvious impartiality. I would really appreciate it.

Okay, all I need to start the Mediterrean naval battles is the numbers of the Austrian-Hungarian fleet.

After I game out everything I could try gaming out Congo-ian efforts aganist Belgium.

Austrian-Hungarian Naval Numbers: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10914875#post10914875)

Navy
Dreadnoughts: 11
Battleships: 14
Cruisers: 28
Battlecruisers: 4
Destroyers: 70
Submarines: 35

IRL World War 2, Spain did not enter the war despite being a friend of the Germans and having to gain from France's fall.

Austrian-Hungarian Naval Numbers: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10914875#post10914875)

Navy
Dreadnoughts: 11
Battleships: 14
Cruisers: 28
Battlecruisers: 4
Destroyers: 70
Submarines: 35

Thanks. Now I can finally game out the Mediterrean naval stuff and hopefully have it up by tonight or tomorrow (these things do take time, especially with today being Mother's Day and all).

IRL World War 2, Spain did not enter the war despite being a friend of the Germans and having to gain from France's fall.

Yup, but back then they just had a bloody and destructive civil war. But maybe the war will be over soon...

I hope so. But hey, the odds are getting more even.

I hope so. But hey, the odds are getting more even.

Britain, France vs. Germany, Italy, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire, China and Japan...

almost :p

Take your time Sharina. I'm excited what it'll be...

HAH! You be wrong!

Britain, France, South Africa Vs the Universe As Viewed By Germany :D

EDIT: wait, has someone attacked Belgium?

Nooooooooo! Not South Africa! *Japan surrenders* :p

I thought Belgium was still neutral...

Im going to need sombody to RP Belgium... any takers? Ive been RPing small Belgian Forces countering my troops, but I dont want to RP any large force of the enemies due to obvious impartiality. I would really appreciate it.
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:eek: sh*t

The Afrikan Revolutionairy Corps!

I forget them. They're just an internal group, not really a nation.

just a small question, but do i have Spanish Morocco? because Spain got that in 1912 IRL...

yea, we decided to have that continue as normal

ok



IRL World War 2, Spain did not enter the war despite being a friend of the Germans and having to gain from France's fall.

Spain didn't enter because Hitler wouldn't give Franco what he wanted

Franco's demands where: food, military equipment, Gibraltar, French North Africa, etc....

And Franco made those demands because he didnt want to get into the war. They were very extreme demands, and he refused to bargain down from them. His demands in North Africa ecompased far more than Hitler possibly could have given him, for initially, North Africa was Mussolini's job... which he suceeded in doing... for a while. If Hitler gave Franco North Africa, he would have gained Spain, and lost Italy. Italy being stronger than Spain, was for some time, quite valuable in the Axis war effort.

I forget them. They're just an internal group, not really a nation.

-Ill remember that...

ok





Spain didn't enter because Hitler wouldn't give Franco what he wanted

Franco's demands where: food, military equipment, Gibraltar, French North Africa, etc....

We're perfectly willing to give them to you now....
Nebarri, did you get my TG?

Thanks. Now I can finally game out the Mediterrean naval stuff and hopefully have it up by tonight or tomorrow (these things do take time, especially with today being Mother's Day and all).

So what game are you using?

We're perfectly willing to give them to you now....
Nebarri, did you get my TG?

yeah, ill send an answer soon

EDIT: not really an answer yet, but its a reply


Spanish Factbook for now:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10958518#post10958518

And Franco made those demands because he didnt want to get into the war. They were very extreme demands, and he refused to bargain down from them. His demands in North Africa ecompased far more than Hitler possibly could have given him, for initially, North Africa was Mussolini's job... which he suceeded in doing... for a while. If Hitler gave Franco North Africa, he would have gained Spain, and lost Italy. Italy being stronger than Spain, was for some time, quite valuable in the Axis war effort.



-Ill remember that...
Not to mention Mussolini was almost a father figure to Hitler...until Hitler turned Salo into a puppet state at which point it was like Hitler put Benny in a home.

It's a good thing Franco stayed out, as much as I'd have hated to see Mussolini go I would not have wanted to see the Germans win and with Franco supporting them I doubt they would have lost.

Factbook is under construction right now.

Not to mention Mussolini was almost a father figure to Hitler...until Hitler turned Salo into a puppet state at which point it was like Hitler put Benny in a home.

It's a good thing Franco stayed out, as much as I'd have hated to see Mussolini go I would not have wanted to see the Germans win and with Franco supporting them I doubt they would have lost.

Factbook is under construction right now.

With Franco supporting them you doubt they would have lost!? Hahahahaa

I think you overestimate the strength of Spain in military, technological, and organizational capabilities

Anyways, Spain at this time is a friend of France and is extremely neutral, anti-intervention; largely because they were making money selling goods to many countries

With Franco supporting them you doubt they would have lost!? Hahahahaa

I think you overestimate the strength of Spain in military, technological, and organizational capabilities

Anyways, Spain at this time is a friend of France and is extremely neutral, anti-intervention; largely because they were making money selling goods to many countries
It's not their strength; it's their position in Europe at the mouth of the Mediterranean Sea. With Spain as an ally taking Gibraltar would have allowed them to shift their forces to better combat the allies in Africa and the red sea as they would have much less worry about the British fleet attacking.

It also would have allowed the German and Italian subs to exit the Mediterranean Sea. Normally subs would have to surface to exit the sea due to the difference salinity or some such thing, which left them open to British attacks

Franco's strength was unimportant. He had plenty of men and a strategic location whcih would have ultimately at least granted the Axis powers a great advantage over the allies.

With Franco supporting them you doubt they would have lost!? Hahahahaa

I think you overestimate the strength of Spain in military, technological, and organizational capabilities

Anyways, Spain at this time is a friend of France and is extremely neutral, anti-intervention; largely because they were making money selling goods to many countries

i doubt Hitler would have lost if had waited to attack the USSR, as well as make Jet fighters, insted of trying to make a Jet bomber...

still, with the right price Spain would fight France, France will probably if not defanetly lose the war, (from what i remember, unless France has more allies)

France can also offer incentives, things Spain might like, not just the central powers. Colonies, etc...

so, send Spain an offer...

-Ill remember that...

Hey, I just meant that you aren't a real nation yet...

Haneastic, could you TG me the offer you sent Spain? I would like to know what it is. I am not interested in limiting it, the only thing that could do so would be an objection by Koryan since he hasn't gotten any territory yet and might want some of the French colonies.

I should have the Mediterrean naval battles done by tonight, hopefully.

With Franco supporting them you doubt they would have lost!? Hahahahaa

I think you overestimate the strength of Spain in military, technological, and organizational capabilities

Anyways, Spain at this time is a friend of France and is extremely neutral, anti-intervention; largely because they were making money selling goods to many countries

Germany would most likely have used Spanish Personel in his own army (in RL, several Spanish Divisions of Volenteers signed up and went to fight the Soviets), so basically, with Spain on the Axis side, the Nazis would just have had more men. I doubt it would turn the tide to the point the allies would lose (USA was a powerhouse capable of steam rolling most of the world had they put everything into it), but it would have been a bit more interesting.

But anyways, I have made an attack on a city, the battle plans posted at the very end of the Revolution Pg. So whenever you've got some free time, the Belgians need a leader.

Germany would most likely have used Spanish Personel in his own army (in RL, several Spanish Divisions of Volenteers signed up and went to fight the Soviets), so basically, with Spain on the Axis side, the Nazis would just have had more men. I doubt it would turn the tide to the point the allies would lose (USA was a powerhouse capable of steam rolling most of the world had they put everything into it), but it would have been a bit more interesting.

But anyways, I have made an attack on a city, the battle plans posted at the very end of the Revolution Pg. So whenever you've got some free time, the Belgians need a leader.

you'd be thinking of the Azul Division

Gamed out the Mediterrean Naval battles (There were two). Check the Great War thread.

where did Austria get so many battleships?

And are you going to rp out land attacks now?

where did Austria get so many battleships?

And are you going to rp out land attacks now?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10954442&postcount=138

Thats where I was informed of Austria's naval numbers.

And yes, I'm going to be doing land based battles now that all 3 navies are out of commission for at least 2 months (refuel, resupply, repairs, etc.) The Mediterrean is pretty much open for shipping except for the Straits of Gilbratar with the occasional non-damaged destroyer or submarine making patrols. There is a chance that the few undamaged destroyers and submarines (from all 3 navies) will intercept troop transports, but won't be able to do much damage without a full fleet to back them up.

The land battles will take longer, as I'll have to deal with several different scenarios, slightly more complex movement, weather issues (snow, ice, etc.). I figure I can get most of the land stuff done by Friday at the latest.

As for all new ship construction, I figure these ships won't be fully ready for combat until the next year (spring to summer of 1919) as ships of battleship and cruiser size do take a while to build, especially if you're doing many of them at once (rationing of steel, coal, and other stuff considering that some of these resources are needed to build guns and land based weapons).

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10954442&postcount=138

Thats where I was informed of Austria's naval numbers.

And yes, I'm going to be doing land based battles now that all 3 navies are out of commission for at least 2 months (refuel, resupply, repairs, etc.) The Mediterrean is pretty much open for shipping except for the Straits of Gilbratar with the occasional non-damaged destroyer or submarine making patrols. There is a chance that the few undamaged destroyers and submarines (from all 3 navies) will intercept troop transports, but won't be able to do much damage without a full fleet to back them up.

;.; I may not be the strongest player and my Navy may be a little sub-par, but I still have a fleet...I could like seriously hamper shipping in the sea and stuff. :)

If you dont mind, my attack on Kindu (town in the Congo), is probably a good deal shorter than the campaigns in the European Theatre... involving a total of less than 10,000, it probably will be a quicky.

where did Austria get so many battleships?

And are you going to rp out land attacks now?

I took into account the fact that I had taken the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet, plus building programs before (I also discovered 3 ships that were created in 1917)

makes sense

and Voxio - thats true, but I am moving the rest of my navy into the Med

makes sense

and Voxio - thats true, but I am moving the rest of my navy into the Med

Actually these ships won't be ready for action for at least a month or two as the ships will have to be re-organized, re-formed into the fleet, and "made whole" with the remnants of the French fleet that survived the first round of battles.

Unless you're willing to risk sending small squads of vessels deep into the mediterrean with little fuel. Afer all, they sailed all the way from the north, around the Iberian peninsula, and then into the Mediterrean sea.

In short, these ships will form up with the survivors at Marsielles and then resupply and reorganize before being able to launch into another round of battles.

By the way, here is my factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473469

There will not be much action in the European part of the war because its currently winter and with snow, ice, and "slush" making it hard to gain ground. When the weather clears up and becomes more bearable in March or so, the European campaigns will see more action.

The African, Congo, and possibly Middle East campaigns will see more action than European ones during the winter for obvious reasons- warm and dry weather with the deserts and tropics weather.

Bump

I'm still in the process of gaming out land stuff. It's taking a bit longer than I anticipated, as it requires quite a bit of scenario setting up.

Gamed out the African campaign and posted it in the war thread.

Now working on Europe. (even though not much action is happening because of a harsh winter)

well now I'm really glad we won the naval battles. I suppose you want new naval orders TG'ed to you?

well now I'm really glad we won the naval battles. I suppose you want new naval orders TG'ed to you?

They will have to wait until everything is resolved for this "round" (meaning I need to finish Europe and possibly the Congo battles first).

Speaking of the Congo, I need more informatiom about it- like troop numbers, strategies from the Belgians (is anyone RP'ing them, or should I?) and Kronado about his Afrikan Corps. Kronado needs to TG me the information in the same way that everybody else TG's me their battle plans and troops and such.

no one's doing Belgium, and Kroando hasn't really been active much lately

I will sign up for the USA

I will sign up for the USA

In that case, if you are accepted (Warta's the admin for this and I'm 1 of the 2 asisstants to this RP), you need to do the following.

1. Read up on what has happened so far in this RP which is basically in the war thread.

2. You need to brush up on USA's economy, weapons, military, treaties, etc. for the 1910 - 1920 period. Then play it from there whichever method you want (within reason). For example, you could have the USA stay neutral, join Britain and France, or support the Germans in Europe.

Are you up for the task? :)

dang! I was just about to do a news report were Eugene V. Debs was president and stayed neutral. Oh well

Vietnammexico, you're in! I've seen some pretty good RP's (you're in AMW, right?0 so I'm excited what you'll do.

And once again thanks for all the hard work Sharina.

Important note:

I won't be able to check back here or war game Europe until tomorrow afternoon as I'm going to my girlfriend's and won't be home until tomorrow.

My girlfriend apparently won't be home for another hour so I went ahead and finished my war gaming for Europe.

Check the Great War thread.

Ok, have fun! ;)

OOC: We finally have an America player, Yay! Maybe now the scales might even out a tad bit more...

yea, maybe he'll join our side. But I doubt at this point in time America would join the Allies. For a couple of reasons:

1. No Zimmerman TG
2. No unrestricted Submarine warfare
3. No Britain on the Allies side

meh, I hoped we could end this war ASAP.

Britain is a de facto ally of France, just look at all my actions.

Britain is a de facto ally of France, just look at all my actions.

de facto ally and actual ally are completely different things, especially diplomatically.

A heads up.

I'll be ready to start the spring - summer portion of 1918 this week. So fire up your strategy engines and hit me up with your orders (for ground, naval, and miscellanous stuff). Now that I have the war-gaming down pat, I'll probably be able to finish each scenario somewhat quicker than last week.

Lets get rolling! :)

Orders have been sent

Over the past five days, my computer has been out of commission. I am however, back, so one need worry... you still have your small Belgian Congo Revolution... guess I have some catching up to do.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481843

Im not sure what else you need. Troops numbers on the attack on Kindu are posted, as are general battle plans, troops quality, training levels... everything is there. Im still kind of confused with how the entire war thing works here... do I just tell you how many men I have and you do all the RP'ing? Seems to take the fun out of it if we dont actually RP the wars. My strategies and whatnot are in the post in the thread. Last post of the thread, I only want one response for one city, not an entire war summary. I dont think it will be very interesting if I just say, ive got 10,000, theyve got 16,000, now make the decision. I want my war to be one step at a time... not a simple roll of the dice. There is no Belgian RP'er, but the info on them is in that last post. ~13-16 thousand Force Publique Colonial Soldiers in the entire Colony, I guess you would RP how many are in Kindu. I really dont want to have you RP out the entire war... thats why I joined the RP, so I could RP.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481843 - The last post of that thread. Everything is still there.

orders sent

Over the past five days, my computer has been out of commission. I am however, back, so one need worry... you still have your small Belgian Congo Revolution... guess I have some catching up to do.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481843

Im not sure what else you need. Troops numbers on the attack on Kindu are posted, as are general battle plans, troops quality, training levels... everything is there. Im still kind of confused with how the entire war thing works here... do I just tell you how many men I have and you do all the RP'ing? Seems to take the fun out of it if we dont actually RP the wars. My strategies and whatnot are in the post in the thread. Last post of the thread, I only want one response for one city, not an entire war summary. I dont think it will be very interesting if I just say, ive got 10,000, theyve got 16,000, now make the decision. I want my war to be one step at a time... not a simple roll of the dice. There is no Belgian RP'er, but the info on them is in that last post. ~13-16 thousand Force Publique Colonial Soldiers in the entire Colony, I guess you would RP how many are in Kindu. I really dont want to have you RP out the entire war... thats why I joined the RP, so I could RP.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481843 - The last post of that thread. Everything is still there.

Basically, I handle all the combat and casaulties.

The strategies, tactics, and such are up to the player. The player sends me a telegram of their orders / strategies so to maintain the element of surprise (or so to speak).

The reason why I am doing this is to avoid players god-modding losses and try to be as realistic as possible. This is also done to minimize the large debates and arguements that kind of ended the other 2 Age of Imperialism RP's (people whined and nit-picked about every little war / military detail, which killed the RP's).

Alright, I was just sort of confused on the issue of posting/sending orders via TG. Since there is no Belgium RP'er, I think it would work if I just posted my strategy in the thread, and you made the Belgian Response/Results. (I take it the purpose of TG'ing the orders was to hide them from the enemy... seeing as you're RPing the Belgians, it doesnt much matter :p. I dont mean to sound ungrateful, im glad you're doing this, confused is all.)

Alright, I was just sort of confused on the issue of posting/sending orders via TG. Since there is no Belgium RP'er, I think it would work if I just posted my strategy in the thread, and you made the Belgian Response/Results. (I take it the purpose of TG'ing the orders was to hide them from the enemy... seeing as you're RPing the Belgians, it doesnt much matter :p. I dont mean to sound ungrateful, im glad you're doing this, confused is all.)
I would thjink TGing them would be better so if sharina misses the orders you wont have to wait longer for them to get done. Cuz it's very frustrating for them to be overlooked and to have to wait a while.

Alternatively, if you want to RP you could always ask Sharina to send you the results and let you RP them better. Personally I'm not good at RPing a battle, so i prefere this system.

Personally I'm not good at RPing a battle, so i prefere this system.

me too, plus it seems much fairer and final, there's no more haggling, or haggling IC (which always annoys me)

I see that no one took RUssia in the old IMperialism thread. That or they learned what I knew, there was no way to win due to certain OOC things. Glad you found a new system that might be more fair and doable.

I see that no one took RUssia in the old IMperialism thread. That or they learned what I knew, there was no way to win due to certain OOC things. Glad you found a new system that might be more fair and doable.

We decided that Russia would not be open, because we were working on a story for it

Yay, it's me Birthday today!!! :fluffle:

Yay, it's me Birthday today!!! :fluffle:

Happy Birthday to you! :)

Yay, it's me Birthday today!!! :fluffle:

Happy birthday Warta Endor!

happy birthday.

As a birthday present, France should surrender and give up all its land

good joke

happy birthday

I'll finish the war gaming for summer of 1918 tonight or tomorrow (been a somewhat busy week for me).

Aka you godmoded it. So it's a good thing I did leave cause I was right in the end. It was a no win situation.

Aka you godmoded it. So it's a good thing I did leave cause I was right in the end. It was a no win situation.
It's not really Godmodding when everybody agrees to the situation.

Besides, we couldn't easily RP it anyways, so rather than waste our time on what we knew would happen we decided to simply work on the assumption that russia was going to lose and saved ourselves a lot of time that could be put to use elsewhere.

Actually if played right Russia wouldn't have lost. No one has ever invaded Russia succesfully in history. In truth alot of the coutnries in agreement would have met their ruin in the wasteland of the RUssian tundra. BUt, that would have hurt already set plans, and ruined their stories. So they decided on the easy thing. I hope you at least had Russia lose after causing mass death. If they died on mass with very little death on the invaders side, then you really are godmoding.

Not to mention the whole world ganging up on one or two countries when they haven't done any crimes against humanity is really really bad writing. After all the only reason Germany kept it's allies from sqaubiling in real history was because they took control of their government.

And to many, yes I know I sound bitter, but like I've said before, I am tired of dealing with kids who play RP's with no sense of history or politics, and who can't even roleplay correctly. OOC stays OOC and IC stays IC. Obviously OOC feelings mix and cheating becomes prevelant. At that moment any role play will lose it's good players because they get tired of dealing with it. So in effect I am rather bitter about it. Why? In the end it's this ignorance of how the world works that messes the world up in the real world.

In the end it's obvious this RP has a already pre-written storyline that no one can deviate from. Therefore ending any fun for those already not writing it. So the last question I put forward out of pure curiousity, what's the point? WHat fun can you have knowing the ultimate outcome cause you set it up like that. It basically ends the whole reason or fun of it. I personally am curious from those who play what fun they can have? And France, what fun can you have playing knowing that all the cards are stacked against you to be conquered like everyone else has? I mean truthfully. I'm trying to figure it out.

Actually if played right Russia wouldn't have lost. No one has ever invaded Russia succesfully in history. In truth alot of the coutnries in agreement would have met their ruin in the wasteland of the RUssian tundra. BUt, that would have hurt already set plans, and ruined their stories. So they decided on the easy thing. I hope you at least had Russia lose after causing mass death. If they died on mass with very little death on the invaders side, then you really are godmoding.

Not to mention the whole world ganging up on one or two countries when they haven't done any crimes against humanity is really really bad writing. After all the only reason Germany kept it's allies from sqaubiling in real history was because they took control of their government.

And to many, yes I know I sound bitter, but like I've said before, I am tired of dealing with kids who play RP's with no sense of history or politics, and who can't even roleplay correctly. OOC stays OOC and IC stays IC. Obviously OOC feelings mix and cheating becomes prevelant. At that moment any role play will lose it's good players because they get tired of dealing with it. So in effect I am rather bitter about it. Why? In the end it's this ignorance of how the world works that messes the world up in the real world.

In the end it's obvious this RP has a already pre-written storyline that no one can deviate from. Therefore ending any fun for those already not writing it. So the last question I put forward out of pure curiousity, what's the point? WHat fun can you have knowing the ultimate outcome cause you set it up like that. It basically ends the whole reason or fun of it. I personally am curious from those who play what fun they can have? And France, what fun can you have playing knowing that all the cards are stacked against you to be conquered like everyone else has? I mean truthfully. I'm trying to figure it out.

We ganged up on you because you were the most powerful European power out there, and we wanted to get rid of you. No one godmodded, everyone saw an oportunity to bring down the largest person, and the plans had been in motion since 1911 or 1912. Just about everyone involved (except Chile and Argentina) had reasons for war against Russia. Plus, the alliance system pre-1914 in RL wasn't exactly rational; you had the Russians allied with the French whose national anthem was about killing kings. Either way, I'd suggest you either join or not.

Actually the CHinese working with the Japanese was totally preposterious. It'd never happen. Rational, Irational, they've been enemies for the past 1,000 years. Even with a few changes in 1910, that wouldn't change.

And I am joinging, as rebels. I'll be all the rebellious nations. Sucking up stuff just to be annoying.

And I wasn't the most powerful. And OOC, you decided on that. IC only a few of those in the war had any reason. I hate to break it to you, but you all did do a dozen different things that are blantantly cheating.

I have to agree with this. Germany was attacked on two fronts, east and west, and still survived... while Austria was weak compared to any of these powers - it was not necessarily a central powers victory.

And yes, China and Japan would never ally.


But whatever. Sometimes I would just rather play, point these out than resign, but looking at this - Sukaida's right, Austria just upgraded its army to 1.25 million in Italy - how can I fight that

THank you for agreeing. I was worrying I was just complaining and that's how others saw it.

I have to agree with this. Germany was attacked on two fronts, east and west, and still survived... while Austria was weak compared to any of these powers - it was not necessarily a central powers victory.

And yes, China and Japan would never ally.


But whatever. Sometimes I would just rather play, point these out than resign, but looking at this - Sukaida's right, Austria just upgraded its army to 1.25 million in Italy - how can I fight that

I actually think that Britain should join France, it really isn't fooling us to make these heavy tarrifs, close the Suez Canal and such and stil pretend to be neutral

NO because that's how those in charge of this role play want it, so in that way it fits on whatever they say it does. That's why I left, and am seriously not starting again now that I think about it again. It's really really horribly done. And Han I think of you as a rather good Role Player and think you should make a statement by leaving as well. Just a recommendation.

NO because that's how those in charge of this role play want it, so in that way it fits on whatever they say it does. That's why I left, and am seriously not starting again now that I think about it again. It's really really horribly done. And Han I think of you as a rather good Role Player and think you should make a statement by leaving as well. Just a recommendation.

I thank you for your reccomendation, but even though this RP isn't accurate at all, at this point in time I will continue to play because I want to see France get defeated (which i think it will unless something happens). This RP really isn't for people are like more historically accurate RP's

Its not for people for fair play either.

Actually if played right Russia wouldn't have lost. No one has ever invaded Russia succesfully in history. In truth alot of the coutnries in agreement would have met their ruin in the wasteland of the RUssian tundra. BUt, that would have hurt already set plans, and ruined their stories. So they decided on the easy thing. I hope you at least had Russia lose after causing mass death. If they died on mass with very little death on the invaders side, then you really are godmoding.

Even if what you say is true, though I doubt russia can fight 5 countries from almost ever side. Plus it started in the spring giving an entire year before the Russian winter set in. That's plenty of time to overwhelm Russia.


Not to mention the whole world ganging up on one or two countries when they haven't done any crimes against humanity is really really bad writing. After all the only reason Germany kept it's allies from sqaubiling in real history was because they took control of their government.
Actually, it was largely YOUR fault that we had a reason for war.
Japan and China did start the war, but you declared war on Austria and Me first. Germany was comming to the aid of its ally Austria-Hungary as it would have in real life.


And to many, yes I know I sound bitter, but like I've said before, I am tired of dealing with kids who play RP's with no sense of history or politics, and who can't even roleplay correctly. OOC stays OOC and IC stays IC. Obviously OOC feelings mix and cheating becomes prevelant. At that moment any role play will lose it's good players because they get tired of dealing with it. So in effect I am rather bitter about it. Why? In the end it's this ignorance of how the world works that messes the world up in the real world.
Once again, the scale of this war was because of you. Could have limited itself to Japan and China, but you had to start a war in the west.


In the end it's obvious this RP has a already pre-written storyline that no one can deviate from. Therefore ending any fun for those already not writing it. So the last question I put forward out of pure curiousity, what's the point? WHat fun can you have knowing the ultimate outcome cause you set it up like that. It basically ends the whole reason or fun of it. I personally am curious from those who play what fun they can have? And France, what fun can you have playing knowing that all the cards are stacked against you to be conquered like everyone else has? I mean truthfully. I'm trying to figure it out.
I had the RP against me and all I wanted to do was win the Balkan war, thanks to you I did that and officially have the upper hand because my major enemy was destroyed after it provoked 5 nations to war. But the Central powers could be knocked down a peg at any time if Britain or the U.S. got involved. And for the record, Italy is only in this because of the French actions.

I honsestly think that we have a little OOC knowledge getting involved in the RP, but we've done a pretty good job of making sure that everything we've done had a reason.

But whatever. Sometimes I would just rather play, point these out than resign, but looking at this - Sukaida's right, Austria just upgraded its army to 1.25 million in Italy - how can I fight that
You joined a war already in progress, do you expect the nations to go easy on you? Or would you expect them to combat a warmongering force that has a sphere of influence in your domain? I do commend you for your realism, but expecting this to go easy on you is extreamely unrelistic.

Actually it started in Febuary which is Russian winter, and they attacked in Siberia. And Russia has beaten invaders of that size before. And China and Japan invaded after I started the war, so no it was a complete OOC move.

Either way you seem to be on the defensive here, so I'll just recind whatever, cause in truth I'm wasting my time anyways because anything I say will automatically be turned on me. Soo whatever, bye. brake.

Actually it started in Febuary which is Russian winter, and they attacked in Siberia. And Russia has beaten invaders of that size before. And China and Japan invaded after I started the war, so no it was a complete OOC move.

Of course I'll defend myself against blatant lies made by somebody attempting to look like the victim in an unfair game.


Either way you seem to be on the defensive here, so I'll just recind whatever, cause in truth I'm wasting my time anyways because anything I say will automatically be turned on me. Soo whatever, bye. brake.
The exact same thing can be said about you.

Blantant lies? Hmm interesting. So they are total falsehoods? So no talking behind the scenes OOC to get rid of me? Or no working together of a dozen nations for a linear storyline?

So in summation there was no OOC planning for unfairness? Well then I apologize. Have fun.

OOC: Just to keep you guys in the loop, I probably will not be active until Sunday afternoon as I still have an exam to finish up tommorow and my brother's graduation to attend on Saturday.

So try not to destroy the British Empire quite yet.

Blantant lies? Hmm interesting. So they are total falsehoods? So no talking behind the scenes OOC to get rid of me? Or no working together of a dozen nations for a linear storyline?

So in summation there was no OOC planning for unfairness? Well then I apologize. Have fun.
On my part there was no real plotting, I am sure a lot of planning went on, but most of what I discussed was me talking to Austria about helping me out in the balkans since we did have an IC agreement to fight Serbia if there was a war. I was informed about the war and said if I was provoked I'd be in. That's not really plotting anyways because it's what would have likely happened in the end since I'd have to invade Serbia to end the war. Other than that I said what I would likely do in the event that we won the war; Set up puppet states in the Turkish regions and take the Balkans, but that's not so much plotting as it was setting claim to that land before the Chinese got it.

And for the record, I don't have a story in mind outside of the imediate future and that can continue if I lose or not. It'd actually be easier if the Turks lost the war and isn't that different from real life.

Okay.

Allow me to clear up a few things from my perpsective.

First, I did not OOC'ly plan to take down Russia. The only reason why China went after Russia was to reclaim Siberia which was rightfully Chinese as it was within the Chinese sphere of influence. This was way before "White Europeans" populated Siberia in the past 100 - 200 years (as China was there 1,000+ years ago). China isn't interested in annexing the entirety of Russia and I most certainly don't have any OOC reason to "defeat" Russia and make the Russian player leave.

Second, sometimes two former foes ally up to defeat a common foe. The saying "The enemy of my enemy is a friend" applies here. A similiar scenario would be the USA and Britain in RL- the USA broke away from Britain, and Britain hated the USA. Then the USA and Britain went to war in 1812, and then ended up "allies" in WW-1 and onwards. So if the US and Britain could do that, then why can't China and Japan? When you think about it... Japan is the Asian equalivent to Britain (island nation, a superior Navy, and advanced technologically) and China is the USA of Asia (large land area, underdeveloped, slightly behind technologically, but has the potential for super-power status).

Third, there's no linear storyline going on here that I know of. The story is open-ended as far as I'm concerned. Once the war ends, there could be a lot of politics and story stuff going on. I mean, Germany could become allies of France, or Russia could rise up again from defeat, or the USA decides to invade Canada, or Brazil decides to try to unify the whole of South America into one nation. These open-ended stuff can and will happen, but the problem with war is that it's kind of linear. Allegiances don't suddenly shift in the middle of war (there are the rare exceptions though). I mean, I don't see Germany suddenly allying up with France in mid-1918. However, there's the possibility of the US, UK, and other neutral nations getting involved in the war, which could change things around substantially.

Finally, China did take quite a few casaulties in attacking Russian Siberia. Otherwise, you'd see China rampaging and swarming all across Asia, attacking India, the "-stan" nations, etc. China IC'ly is happy with Siberia and Indochina, as well as Siam / Thailand. It has achieved its objectives of gaining land, resources, and living space.

Personally I won't have you admit to it. But in truth I wouldn't mind being apart of individual rebellions. Not just to be spiteful, but to do it because personally a freerange of people against the institutions is needed.

ANd I know I am bothersome, that's why people want me to leave. It's very simply true. I'm annoying, especially when I am using historical context. But, in truth I want to play the rebellious countries. Cause all these new ones changing hands are going to get annoyed with new conquerers. After all the CHinese are not any better than the French to a person from Indochina. And Siberian farmers may not have fun with Chinese invaders. A resistance would spring up eventually and it's best to have a single individual there to do it rather than have each individual country deal with it on their own, because they'd always downplay it. THat's not a single judgement, everyone would downplay it, period.

ANd CHina wouldn't have taken quite a few, it would have been massive casualties. At least a million. Mostly due to frostbite, and disease, and exhaustion. So, in closing, can I play a rebellion? Without a center country, I can't have complaints all over the place about being picked on specifically. So. Yeah. THat's it. Oh yeah forgot the Middle Eastern COuntries are always trouble too. Even with a victory in the Balkans, the Middle Eastern countries can start rising up "again." Cause in actuality setting up puppet governments always causes problems. Which is why I asked. I can see a dozen different storylines I can enact by being in charge of the rebellions. Yep. And remember with this rather victory chomp up territory you do, the more unsettled people their will be. I see now Italy wants chunks of France. Each new territory you glomp will mean that much more rebellious peoples. And I'd like to play them.

Sharina, I understand what you are saying, but the USA-Britain and Japan-China analogies are very bad. The US and Britain became allies over a long period of time and they share close legal, linguistical, moral, and religious ties as a reason for being friends rather than enemies. China and Japan have nothing like this.

And China does not have the abilities to take over India at this time, despite how far it has come - it can't compete with a major power like Britain that is really trying to stop you.

Personally I won't have you admit to it. But in truth I wouldn't mind being apart of individual rebellions. Not just to be spiteful, but to do it because personally a freerange of people against the institutions is needed.

ANd I know I am bothersome, that's why people want me to leave. It's very simply true.


All that annoys me is when you came in here, started badmouthing us and then wanted to join again. It just seems like you want to come in and cause trouble.

If you actually want to play I don't mind, but I think you should have to chose a specific area like the African player did. So, maybe indochina and fight the chinese, Greece fighting the Ottomans, the east europeans fighting against the Germans, some S. American nations fighting argentina, Siberia fighting China and/or Japan, ect.

I don't think the Ukraine should count as they are their own nation. You could play as a group attempting to turn the political spectrum against the central powers. The newly formed Turkic nations wouldn't be much of a choice since they are basically in the same position except they are gaining their freedom after the war when the level of Ottoman troops can be lowered and the Turkic troops trained by the Ottoman Army

And who will take care of those other rebellious nations or peoples. Like the Slavs. A whole new crop of Slav's have just been conquered, meaning even more Slavic unilateralism.

See my concern is that all these conquered countries will be absorbed and then it will be all peaceful, with no rebellions or even outcries. As for the Ukraine, I don't plan much for them. I'm more inclined towards those in the Middle East, the Slavs, and the Indochinese. Siberia probably wouldn't notice much unless China decided to fill it with Chinese colonist. I mean Siberia is so out there that they rarely even notice what country is in control.

And I think you misunderstood me on the whole rebel. I don't want a country. My roleplay would be similar to the Communist person in the RUssian thread. Remember when we allowed that? Well I'll be similar, groups of individuals. From the disenfranchised Austrians who believe Germans have to much power, to "The Black Hand." To limit me to a single country of origin means that all the other countries will be rebellion free or downplayed rebellions. My major goal, simply to give a sense of reality.

And what you believe my intentions to be, and whether you consider what I said badmouth. It was my belief based upon observation. I apologized, and to not show a sense of peace with that apology seems a bit.... bitter as it were. Personally I just want to have some fun again. I remember being in charge of rebels in another place and all the wellspring of different ideas I got were extremelly fun. So I want to do it again. ANd personally I wish only a small group. SLavs, Middle Easterners, and Indochinese. Siberians will come if CHina floods them with goldminers. If they don't then Siberia wouldn't bother. It's a rural area which most likely isn't going to care about whose in control as long as they are allowed to live their lives.

A for S.AMerica. I'm not touching that topic with a ten thousand foot pole because I will start badmouthing again.

As for Eastern Europe, that's all in good time. See my drawback is that none of my groups could actually work together. INdochina and the Slavs are not going to make a huge army. Neither are the Eastern Europeans and Serbia (Which I gather is being absorbed by Austria Hungary or at least made into a puppet state.) going to be of much use to the Middle Easteners. Personally I realize I've said some harsh things and that's why I am stating my position, but in truth if you really don't want me then tell me. If you think I am insincere then just block me from going all together.

A few things, actually.

1. China isn't going to be warring or invading anything anytime soon as it is happy with what it achieved, and does not intend on pursuring any further annexations or such. China also is going to lick its wounds, and thats why its not attacking the rest of Russia or India (even foolishly) or such. China is going to rebuild everything in its military and consolidate its gains. China lost approximately 1/2 of its invasion force in Russia, leaving it with just enough to garrison Siberia (and some transfers to Indochina as well). 1/2 of a massive army numbering in the millions being killed, maimed, or wounded as casaulties is quite significant.

2. I don't plan on everything being nice and rosy. That was not what I was intending for at any rate with China and the results of its actions. Its just that I want the war to be finished ASAP so that we can focus on the post-war situation and geo-political scenario after WW-1. Its hard to keep track of many things at once especially that I'm handling the war stuff on top of keeping track of who's doing what, and what's happening in what part of the world. Adding another layer of complexity will push me over the top- unless the war and everything is finished, then I don't have the war gaming and stuff to worry about, freeing up my mind and efforts to focus on domestic issues not only in China but throughout the world. There's only so much one person can do at any given time.

3. China does have a legimiate claim to Siberia, as it has had one on it for centuries before ANY "White Europeans" settled there via Russia. Same goes for Indochina- the people within Indochina are Asian, not "White French Europeans". Besides, if the Chinese civilization never existed or developed, then the multitude of small Asian nations wouldn't exist as well. They are all descended from China at one point or another, even Japan itself.

4. My goal in AoI is to re-establish the Ancient Chinese Empire (or civilization) by unifying most if not all of the Orient under one rule, and then see how the Orient measures up to the rest of the world's civilizations (Europeans, Americans, Africans, India, Persian / Arabian, etc.). I'm not going to say or do "Oh, China conquers these nations Risk-Style. The End." kind of cop-out. I do plan on addressing rebllions, overcoming ethnic and cultural differences (peacefully or through brute force), struggle to unify and standardize things throughout the new lands China possesses, and so on. Again, these things can take place after the war (as I have so much to deal with right now, with the war gaming and everything).

5. I don't have any problem with someone playing the rebellions and everything as long as its done with a good degree of plausibility.

6. As for the war gaming, I have most of it done. I know its taking a while, but this time around there's substantially more action now that its summer in 1918 (which means millions of soldiers can move around and attack instead of being stuck in snow and ice in trenches).

I'll resolve this short an easily:

Everything what happened before the start of the game (so the partition of Russia, etc.) stands. It will not be changed. We discussed how we wanted to do this after Sukiada left, and we voted to use this scenario. We discussed every matter, from the partition to the alliance between China-Japan. People who complain about some things, to bad, it's decided.

Sukiada, you're welcome to choose one area where you want to.

And people, please delete the ooc. posts that were made in teh IC thread.

Good luck recreating the CHinese Empire with me policing the East. :)

Good luck recreating the CHinese Empire with me policing the East. :)

Japan won't like it me thinks :p Shame the Anglo-Japanese Alliance is no more :D

One area? ANd as for pink and rosy, no I don't expect that, but the entire thing is that NO ONE NO ONE!!! including myself. Does a good job of representing their own rebellions. NO ONE!!! That's a fact. THey downplay how effective the rebellions are. THey make victory too easy. Also it's kinda hard to be effective in monitoring your own rebellion when you KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE!!! THe point of a rebellion is surprise.

IN that everyone including me or you SHarina will fall short if not fail outright. Because in the end the rebellions failure is certain. Certain. THerefore I am asking for a title. A simple title as specialist in rebellions. I do not get an economy. I do not get an army. I am simply a hunted dog working for independence. I only get what I can steal or take. I think by limiting me to a single country it does a great injustice to the RP as a whole. It also limits me. If i am in Indochina I can only RP with SHarina. If I am in the mIddle East I can only RP with Voxio. I would be limited to an extreme unlike any other player. THat is unfairness in the extreme. I don't have the option of diplomats to talk to other countries. I don't even get funding. I am not asking for much.

ANd personally right now i am putting my pride down and begging. Which I rarely if ever do. So please just give me the title and let me get to work. Cause personally no one else has had to go so far for such a simple request before.

Although I agree with Voxio that he is just trying to bother us, he has himself pretty much admitted this, I say we let him do this. We can always kick him out of he is unreasonable.

Good luck recreating the CHinese Empire with me policing the East. :)

Heh. China already has Indochina, Siam, Mongolia, Tibet, and Siberia, the "core" of the Chinese Empire. China isn't going to go after Indonesia or the islands anytime soon, though. China also isn't interested in attacking India, as India is more trouble than its worth even if China somehow defeats the british there (now, 10 years from now, or 50 years from now, or whenever).

Actually by now I truly want to give it a try. I admit at first I was just vindictive. But now I do want to try it out. Whether you believe me or not doesn't matter. Though thank you for supporting giving me a chance. I only state that I hope that you don't consider, me winning, as unreasonable. Also if all I was doing is wanting to bother you, would I be trying this hard? Think of it in that way. I could find other ways to just bother you, but trying this hard to get something means something else does it not?

I also deleted the more spurious OOC stuff in the Great War, as another sign that I'm not just doing this to be an ass. Why it's so important? I really have no idea. I just want this to be something where I don't pull something clever get called unreasonable and then kicked out. Do I believe that possible? Definetly. AM I still bitter? Yes, but do I want to do this solely for that reason. No. I seriously want to give this a second chance. And I believe by apologizing I have shown that. Now remember lets not make this a self fulfilling prophecy of failure and truly give it chances.

BY the way, Sharina, where are you getting this "greater China" stuff. In it's history China has never been a good invader of anyone. And when they did try it was under the Mongols. China is constantly being invaded, not the other way around. So I'm just curious where you are getting the Core china thing? Is this in your altered history? Just a curiousity.

BY the way, Sharina, where are you getting this "greater China" stuff. In it's history China has never been a good invader of anyone. And when they did try it was under the Mongols. China is constantly being invaded, not the other way around. So I'm just curious where you are getting the Core china thing? Is this in your altered history? Just a curiousity.

I'm angling for a different China in this timeline, a China that doesn't suffer from Mao's mis-management, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, and communism in general. I'm trying to explore what could have happened if these RL things didn't happen.

China in this timeline is much better organized, managed, and stable due to a new dynasty that rose out of the Boxer Rebellion (China is victorious in the Boxer Rebellion in this timeline). Instead of the corrupt and failing Qing dynasty, the new dynasty has learned from the mistakes of the past dynasty and has substantial plans on improving China even more. Instead of rebellions and the communist VS Kuminotang (Republicans) civil war that lasted until 1949, there isn't any in this timeline because of a new government and dynasty.

In this timeline, China has reformed its military into a decent fighting force, and gained experience on the battlefield aganist the French in Indochina and the Russians in Siberia. China can afford to lose millions of men in warfare and in such numbers that France and Russia couldn't match. Imagine the RL USSR "Mad Rush" aganist Germany in WW-2, and then reverse it, Russia being the recipient of a Chinese "Mad Rush". Even if Chinese military did badly in the first few rounds of combat, the mistakes are corrected and "fixes" are implemented throughout the military, and China improves its fighting ability in each successive battle. The one advantage that China does have is numbers- it can sustain itself in a war through numbers, keeping the enemy busy with swarms of men while implementing the lessons learned from that particular battle into the next wave of soldiers while the enemy doesn't have much of a chance to get deep into Chinese lands and devastate its factories, training camps, railroads, etc. (as we don't have bombers or 500+ mile range planes yet).

I want to see whether creating an Orient Empire would be successful or not. A good example would be seeing whether Nazi Germany would have successfully transformed Europe into an Aryan land, or if the USSR would have successfully survived without imploding onto itself, or if the Confederate States of America could have won the civil war and implemented slavery until present day... these kinds of "what if" scenarios- I want to explore it with China and what can be done with China in this timeline.

See if China can succeed where the Mongols could not.

Actually by now I truly want to give it a try. I admit at first I was just vindictive. But now I do want to try it out. Whether you believe me or not doesn't matter. Though thank you for supporting giving me a chance. I only state that I hope that you don't consider, me winning, as unreasonable. Also if all I was doing is wanting to bother you, would I be trying this hard? Think of it in that way. I could find other ways to just bother you, but trying this hard to get something means something else does it not?

Could you make up your mind? Your whining is really starting to get annoying.

Well, Sukiada, you're in. I think its a pretty good idea to have an overall Rebellion Mod. If Kroando (Afrikan Revolutionairy Corps, anti-colonialism movement in Africa) doesn't show up soon, you can RP that as well.

Once again welcome to the game!

Show up? I never left... ive been waiting for the response to my attack on Kindufor two weeks. I posted, TG'd plans.... TG'd again. I cant do anything, seeing as I cannot RP the Belgians. I want to RP, however, I cannot. I have posted, TG'd, and begged for a response, what else can I do?

maybe we should just let kroando do it

Ehh Africa? Yeah I can see how that's a problem. Of course you can always just assume it's success if they ignore it. And I'll take it, despite the talk of me whining or not making up my mind. As for Africa, I never really wanted it in the scheme of things, though we can always support eachother in the idealism realm of things.

And Sharina, ahh I gotcha. I was just curious on that. My saying in that area is, Siberia probably can be absorbed peacefully as long as you don't make mistakes. Korea and Indochina have never been very peaceful when it comes to being controled. Siam and Burma would most likely be peaceful unless they see Indochina succeed. See the major prevention of rebellion is always that simple phrase of "Aura of Invincibility." Once an empire loses that, it loses everything. So in the end I can actually answer your question. Yes you can, as long as you keep that "aura of invincibility." Though I think guerrilla war always tests people's true intelligence because it gets rid of the "God is on the side with the large battalions" edge. So it puts people against people. So as your opponent in Indochina and other places. May you have fun. *Bows*

By the way who does occupy Korea? Japan or is it a puppet state? So where do you want me to start? I can start in the Great War. Very simple. I'll do a very simple post there. THat's all. No actual combat or anything, just a simple thing.

Hmm...

The areas right now that are possibly rebellious would be Korea, Siberia, Indochina, African lands, and the occupied Russia lands. Maybe some other rebellions in Europe or the European colonies in the Americas and Pacific (what is left of them anyway).

So you could start with that and "test the waters" or so to speak.


By the way, guys, I apologize for the delay in finishing the 1918 battles. I'm getting right on it today.

Posted the naval results.

Will post the land stuff later today.

Can someone please tell me the numbers on the Spanish navy? Because their losses seem higher to me than the Spanish navy even had at this time

3 Dreadnaughts
1 Pre-Dreadnaught
1 Coastal Defence ship
3 Armored Cruisers
4 Light Cruisers
3 Destroyers
26 Torpedo Boats
5 Gunboats
4 Submarines

At least that's what he said in his D/N. I believe he had naval building programs going as well

Right now I am trying to limit to the Middle East, The Slavs, and Indochina. Siberia will be a watch and see what the Chinese do there before I act. Also Korea I gotta see what Japan does. Too abusive and I'll have no choice. Does Argentina still post as often as he used to? If not then that'd be rather mute. Africa I leave to my friend there, and uhhh let me see. Poland is also possible because remember Spain was supposidly indepdent under Napoleon and their was still a Spanish Insurection. And Ireland is always a problem as well. RIght now I am testing the waters with a handful of stuff.

And as for the battles, I am still not 100% sure how those work, so I am just watching.