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This is a completely OOC thread for discussion on the Revolt and Revolution (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477731) thread.

Alright, I really want to get all factions and allegiences straightened out before I embarass myself more. Is the Revolutionary Directorship (appears to be the closest thing to a governing body at the moment) loyalist or neutral? If it's neutral, I'm assuming the loyalists are led by Laguardia, since he was supporting the president.

Even though currently I'm planning only a small part, I'll keep a look at the map and I'll post updates on when a city falls. Currently it appears that aside from Bescher everything east of Providence is either under Coliation control, or is in Anarchy. Providence meanwhile seems to be an open city.

Alright, here's all the factions. This should also answer Wanderjar's question regarding General Stein.

There is the Revolutionary Directorship, which is formed from the military of the old regime. It controls the entire navy, as well as 98% of the army and air force. This comes out to about 69 million military personnel, with about 6 million more that have been drafted recently, and this ammount will rapidly increase as drafting in the western cities continues. The Revolutionary Directorship is currently based in the Providence Academy, although they have no real control over the city. They do have somewhat firm control in the western cities, but can not exercise governmental control in the area due to lack of any bureaucratic officials. Their goals are to establish order in Chitzeland again. Whether or not they want to reinstate Copeland as President is being debated among them. They do not associate themselves with either Loyalists or Revolutionaries. General Laguardia is one of the Senior Revolutionary Directors, Admiral Amherst is the other.

General Stein commands about 20,000 soldiers of the Chitzeland Army, as well as many aircraft from the Air Force. General Stein is in support of Pope Rolland and generally supports the Revolutionaries. Although all his forces are dwarfed by those of the Revolutionary Directorship, he is rapidly enlisting militias of Revolutionaries from the central region of the province of Ortesia, where he is based (see the province map in my factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434887) for the location of Ortesia). He has enlisted a militia force of an estimated 80,000 men. He does not want Copeland to be reinstated, and instead wants the nation to be lead by directly by the Church of Chitzeland.

Then there are the Revolutionaries and Loyalists. The Revolutionaries' goals are varied, but they generally support the Pope and do not support Copeland. The Loyalists, however, support Copeland and wanted him back as President. Now that they think Copeland is dead, they are fighting to make sure that Revolutionaries do not gain control of the country.

I hope this makes it more clear. Tell me if you have any more questions. I may make a map showing spheres of influence in Chitzeland, but that's only if I can get enough time.

(Edit: Added some more details for clarification.)

Thanks Chitzeland, for clearing that up for me, that'll really help the quality of my RPing from here on out.

Any Coalition questions should be directed towards me, being that I am the largest force of the Coalition, and the "leader" of sorts. (I know thats un-official, but since i started the Coalition, i'm referring to myself as the leader).

So everyone knows, I have decided to have my forces be in a coastal city some 10 miles north of Zarzor, with a population of some half a million. Let's call Emitar. I'm not going to be involved in the RP until Chitzeland RPs the citezen's response to my arrival in the city, as I don't think he would want for me to control his citizens without asking him.

That sounds great.

I will soon make an IC post addressing the coalition and the situation in the waters off of Automati.

That sounds great.

I will soon make an IC post addressing the coalition and the situation in the waters off of Automati.


Cool, ive been wondering about the Automati standoff...even though i have no part in that sector

My carrier Battle Group is currently based off the cost of the Chitzi Fleet. If you guys need an air strike, ensure theres nothing that can hit us, and then call for it.

My carrier Battle Group is currently based off the cost of the Chitzi Fleet. If you guys need an air strike, ensure theres nothing that can hit us, and then call for it.

Theres been a change in our policy, i'll send an IC message to the Coalition explaining.

I have a force of 8,000 militia and 600 special forces in the capital, Providence.

I'm going to be very busy this week, so I wont be posting as much as I posted last week. This is probably a good thing, as the pace of the thread needs to be slowed down a little. I'm off to bed for tonight.

Northern Colonies, could I possibly get airstrikes against the Pudite fleet (near Locke) during the battle?

thats probably not going to happen because my plnaes would get destroyed by the anti-aircraft defence, although i might send Marines to maybe destroy the piers of the port at Locke. We'll see how we do, first target would probably be the land targets already in Locke

What ever happened to the president?

Sorry I've been a bit quiet lately- I was crazy busy at work yesterday. Should be a tad more active today.

Can someone make up a map showing who currently owns what?

Trust me, he hasn't. I've been sitting on this topic like a hawk.

True, you where posting and reading at a rate that for every post I made you had a page.

I'm more like a vulture waiting for him to give up and die already.

There is a way of dealing with vultures, and it is very comical.
(At least if you ask my friend Charlie Brown)

Didn't even know this thread existed..So I hope everyone will pardon the ooc comments in the main one.:(

Oh, and T.A.G.

Yeah, this thread is ancient. I didn' expect anyone to know of it's existance, and even if they did, to trust that enough other people did to look at what they posted here.

Let's use it now.

Yeah, this thread is ancient. I didn' expect anyone to know of it's existance, and even if they did, to trust that enough other people did to look at what they posted here.

Let's use it now.


Good idea. I had forgot about this thread.

Thank god! I found Chitzeland's Factbook thread!


Yay me!


can I have a cookie?

Thank god! I found Chitzeland's Factbook thread!


Yay me!


can I have a cookie?
Only if you put up a link. Or bump it.

OOC: Pudu will strike you as an ass at first Carbandia, but he's not a bad dude OOC.

Unless I'm mistaken, he has a dry sense of humor that you can easily take the wrong way. Again, that may just be me, and he's really being a dick and I'm not taking him seriously.....
No biggie. It's not as if I usually give myself a week, or so, to analyze people before making my own judgement on how I view them (and no, I don't base it on their country, either)..After all first impressions can be decieving.:)

Only if you put up a link. Or bump it.

Its bumped :)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9329/chitzelandmap27se.jpg

No biggie. It's not as if I usually give myself a week, or so, to analyze people before making my own judgement on how I view them (and no, I don't base it on their country, either)..After all first impressions can be decieving.:)
That's true. Take me for example: At first I seem really nice, but then you get to know me...

That's true. Take me for example: At first I seem really nice, but then you get to know me...


So true. You're such an ass. I don't even know why I hang out with you here.

lol

OOC: Pudu will strike you as an ass at first Carbandia, but he's not a bad dude OOC.

Unless I'm mistaken, he has a dry sense of humor that you can easily take the wrong way. Again, that may just be me, and he's really being a dick and I'm not taking him seriously.....

I like to think that other people think I have a sense of humor rather than a personality problem.

But, again, I am arrogant, but only in a personal sense. I rarely brag to other people seriously, but I talk to myself all the time.

So anyway, keep working with the humor theory, I like it better.

So anyway, keep working with the humor theory, I like it better.


lol, yeah, I figured that was it. I've no problem with you on an OOC basis. Then again though, anyone who does has issues.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3066/copyofchitzelandmap27sevo6.png


Heres a sphere of influence map.

I'm not sure on Parthians, so I will change this if it's not correct.

Chitzi NS factbook original (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434887)

Maps and everything.

Chitzi NS factbook original (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434887)

Maps and everything.


I know, theres a link to it I posted up the thread a bit ;)


EDIT: No link, I merely bumped it, sorry.

lol, yeah, I figured that was it. I've no problem with you on an OOC basis. Then again though, anyone who does has issues.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3066/copyofchitzelandmap27sevo6.png


Heres a sphere of influence map.

I'm not sure on Parthians, so I will change this if it's not correct.

Your Pudite section is way off.

Your Pudite section is way off.


How so? Please explain mate



I just filled it in as the sector I ceeded to him when I sent him my peace offer.

Pudite's initial Terms (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10926870&postcount=471)
PROHT Counter claim (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10928206&postcount=472)
His response (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10940084&postcount=477)
And another General Warning (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10940766&postcount=478)
A recent Development (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11409456&postcount=651)


puditeclaims8go.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9861/puditeclaims8go.jpg)
eastchitzelandim9.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6776/eastchitzelandim9.jpg)

Pudite's initial Terms (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10926870&postcount=471)
PROHT Counter claim (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10928206&postcount=472)
His response (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10940084&postcount=477)
And another General Warning (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10940766&postcount=478)

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9861/puditeclaims8go.jpg


Ok, thanks man. I'll edit the map. But remember, Accen doesn't exist anymore. Its a place on a map, but its not really there, since he had to completely level it to get me out. I just remembered that lol

Map Revised :)


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/488/copyofchitzelandmap27seoy9.png

Yep, I remember that, heck I even offered to send a few shells out there.

I also remembered that Parth now has Bearmish.

But not Pelsgord! I'm in Pelsgord!

Also, recheck this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11416683&postcount=34)

Yep, I remember that, heck I even offered to send a few shells out there.

I also remembered that Parth now has Bearmish.

But not Pelsgord! I'm in Pelsgord!


Thats why the lines intersect there. Doesn't he have you undersiege?

No, he hasn't even gotten around my forces yet, it is still a line battle with a massive firestorm breaking up the center.

Also, checjk East Chitzi map
(Look up a few posts till you see it)

eastchitzelandim9.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6776/eastchitzelandim9.jpg)

The Pudites rebuilt Accen and Locke with PROHT help (part of the peace treaty)

No, he hasn't even gotten around my forces yet, it is still a line battle with a massive firestorm breaking up the center.

Also, checjk East Chitzi map
(Look up a few posts till you see it)

eastchitzelandim9.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6776/eastchitzelandim9.jpg)

The Pudites rebuilt Accen and Locke with PROHT help (part of the peace treaty)


Damnit! But Yuri is mine.

No, he hasn't even gotten around my forces yet, it is still a line battle with a massive firestorm breaking up the center.

Also, checjk East Chitzi map
(Look up a few posts till you see it)

eastchitzelandim9.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6776/eastchitzelandim9.jpg)

The Pudites rebuilt Accen and Locke with PROHT help (part of the peace treaty)


Sorry then, I misunderstood the posts.

Rememer everyone, my government is still not making the claim to own or occupy any of the land commonly believed to be in "East Chitzeland" save for the portion agreed to at the end of Pudite hostilities.

Alright, I did have time to post my attack on Yuri, and apparently I will have time to post again later tonight, but I won't be on at all during the day today.

^happens to us all, mate..We will, of course, do like all good people, and wait..

Oh and another point to make. Yes Molot is a mixed division. I, for one, see no reason not to allow women to fight in war, if they really want to.

My people are genetically engineered, born from test tubes. No gender difference.

Question, have you ever read "Brave New World"?

Can't really say I have, without lying that is..Is it any good? *might see if he can't find it if it is* Please note that finding any book here can be a difficult case..To get Jennifer goverment I had to buy it in Denmark, as I couldn't find a single copy here..:( Was so worth looking so far and wide for, though..

My people are genetically engineered, born from test tubes. No gender difference.

Question, have you ever read "Brave New World"?

Great book. Loved it.

The first bit, in the breeding center, that is almost exactly how my people are born.



"Community, Identity, Stability"

Also, my people's plural is PUDITE.

Also, my people's plural is PUDITE.

OOC: lol, my bad.

Also, my people's plural is PUDITE.
*makes note of that*
Always a good thing to know, later.

I have a disgruntled rant in the other thread you should read, then I'll do another IC about my attacks.

So, Wanderjar, you really have no troops in Yuri?

So, Wanderjar, you really have no troops in Yuri?

No men in Yuri. However, I can easily arrange to change that, if you land there.


I was under the impression you were assaulting the Airfield, so I never mobilized.

Nah, in fact, I just unloaded all my ordinance and such into a whole bunch of civilians!

I thought you were in Yuri...

I'm going to keep it going in the direction it is, and continue to attack the empty city. When you get there, you will find eighty-thousand Orthae, but that's all good...

So... did you still shoot at my bombers that are really just flying over the airfeild, becuase that would mean that you techinically initiated the war against me, and that is FUNNY!

In a few minutes I will be bombing it anyway, and you can shoot them, but the first wave will not even look down at it, let alone attack.

Well they are sort of flying through a sam infested area..Remember all those Marauder aa pieces in the Molot oob? Each packs a total of 10 Sa-19 Grissom sam missles, as well as their 30mm guns..:D

Nah, in fact, I just unloaded all my ordinance and such into a whole bunch of civilians!

I thought you were in Yuri...

I'm going to keep it going in the direction it is, and continue to attack the empty city. When you get there, you will find eighty-thousand Orthae, but that's all good...

haha! Nice try! But I don't care about your forces in an empty city! I care about your supply lines! Which will be cut if you enter Yuri! I read Sun Tzu!


Have a nice day!

Hmm, Pudites...

That reminds me that I have to come up with something to call citizens of PROHT...

How about Hurtian?
Sounds something like Hessian...

And that writes a lot easier than the former PROHT(ian) term.

That or nations could invent derogatory names for each other's countrymen by mangling their names as they see fit.

"Lamentably, no. My advice would be to move through Coalition territory, through the Northern Swamps, then move south again into the city. That area is less guarded, and there is the cover of a forest, and a large hill, where my GSG-9 used to operate...and torment his forces." He added with an evil grin.

I'm in those swamps. That could turn out interesting. Since I've got 40+ divisions in that area who are presently getting very angry looking at the battlefield that the Parthians left.

On a side note, I'm allowed to send 1,000 "PROHT troops" to within 4 km of Locke, just FYI.
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And I'm pretty sure I came up with the time warp idea during my PROHT Air Show RP. It was because a country (Alidor [which is now very dead]) was offline for a number of months and everybody wanted to get the RP moving, so I swept his men under a rug as everyone else worked independent of each other's actions.

It worked pretty good after everything was spliced back together,the splicing is the tricky part, everything else is easy enough.

First, yeah, it's SAM infested, but I've been flying patrols all over for ever, read earlier posts of mine, and so these aircraft would have been really, nothing new.

(until the bombing started, you may have figured it out by then...)


Second, yeah, all ground supply lines are gone, but I did not expect to have any anyway. I came expecting to have to fight through an occupied city for days and then have to hold it for another few days, possibly weeks, before ground supply chains can be established. We brought food and bullets, don't you worry.

Hmm, Pudites...

That reminds me that I have to come up with something to call citizens of PROHT...

How about Hurtian?
Sounds something like Hessian...

And that writes a lot easier than the former PROHT(ian) term.

That or nations could invent derogatory names for each other's countrymen by mangling their names as they see fit.



I'm in those swamps. That could turn out interesting. Since I've got 40+ divisions in that area who are presently getting very angry looking at the battlefield that the Parthians left.
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And I'm pretty sure I came up with the time warp idea during my PROHT Air Show RP. It was because a country (Alidor [which is now very dead]) was offline for a number of months and everybody wanted to get the RP moving, so I swept his men under a rug as everyone else worked independent of each other's actions.

It worked pretty good after everything was spliced back together,the splicing is the tricky part, everything else is easy enough.


....You're on my side though. So do you mean interesting in the sense that you'd help Aeson's shadowmen? Or that you'd attack him for some unknown reason....

....You're on my side though. So do you mean interesting in the sense that you'd help Aeson's shadowmen? Or that you'd attack him for some unknown reason....

True, but I have an alternate insertion method if you'll only wait and listen for it.

According to the agreement between the Pudites and myself, I'm allowed to send about 1,000 "PROHT troops" to within 4 km of Locke.

I also in turn agreed to help repair Locke and Accen and therefore have a rough design of both cities sitting around in my archive files in PROHT mainland.

The irony is that you'll have to find this out ICly now and ask for it ICly.

True, but I have an alternate insertion method if you'll only wait and listen for it.

EDIT:


PROHT....you are the man. Thats all there is to it!

EDIT:


PROHT....you are the man. Thats all there is to it!

Keep in mind who it was that finally ended the conflict in Chitzeland between the Pudites (and in turn got a little richer) for the mere pittance of some land which would be regained later anyways by PROHT trained Chitzi Special Forces...

Of course that plan was put on old once the Parthians boke out from Ort thanks to the fact that almost nobody did anything to beat him off the coast besides a single PROHT cruiser, a battery of heavy guns and 7 planes.

Of which were all destroyed after halting their advance/landings for 36 hours.

Keep in mind who it was that finally ended the conflict in Chitzeland between the Pudites (and in turn got a little richer) for the mere pittance of some land which would be regained later anyways by PROHT trained Chitzi Special Forces...

Of course that plan was put on old once the Parthians boke out from Ort thanks to the fact that almost nobody did anything to beat him off the coast besides a single PROHT cruiser, a battery of heavy guns and 7 planes.

Of which were all destroyed after halting their advance/landings for 36 hours.


Hey, I already told you you're the man! Do you want a cookie too? *Gives cookie*

Hey, I already told you you're the man! Do you want a cookie too? *Gives cookie*

*Eats cookie out of the air*

Man's best friend
Or:
Why the PROHT minister of Internal Affairs is a dog...

*Eats cookie out of the air*

Man's best friend


lol

True, but I have an alternate insertion method if you'll only wait and listen for it.

According to the agreement between the Pudites and myself, I'm allowed to send about 1,000 "PROHT troops" to within 4 km of Locke.

I also in turn agreed to help repair Locke and Accen and therefore have a rough design of both cities sitting around in my archive files in PROHT mainland.

The irony is that you'll have to find this out ICly now and ask for it ICly.

Aye, 'tis true, but those troops will be, as I said, after arguing for a bit, watched carefully.

And, no longer are the cities the location of my command structures. I have the twenty-nine half-finished compound-cities across East Chitzeland, and although two of the command posts are in Accen and Locke, much of the old city is ignored, or waiting to be demolished again, just because I've moved the population out and don't need them anymore.

I command from the five big red square dots on my claims map. The central one is the location of the theater commanders, but nobody has a way of knowing that ICly.

It is safe to assume that Molot reacting like the war has started is not over reacting, I assume? Bombing civvies isn't exactly something you see in peacetime..

It is safe to assume that Molot reacting like the war has started is not over reacting, I assume? Bombing civvies isn't exactly something you see in peacetime..


Nor something we would stand for...

No, once I started bombing Yuri you can realistically start shooting, but the flight over should be regarded with 'finger-on-the-trigger' suspicion at best, shooting would mean that you provoked the war.

Said specifically in the thread that they didn't react till you started bombing, mate..but your bombers are so going to hate their reaction..How many is 640 divided by 80?

I'm signen' off for tonight, may or may not be able to get on until late tommorow. Bye.

Said specifically in the thread that they didn't react till you started bombing, mate..but your bombers are so going to hate their reaction..How many is 640 divided by 80?

8

:D was a rhethorical question, Wanderjar..And also a ooc hint to what the Marauders are going to do as soon as they have lock on his bombers: fire everything

:D was a rhethorical question, Wanderjar..And also a ooc hint to what the Marauders are going to do as soon as they have lock on his bombers: fire everything


Marauders.....weren't they the special forces unit for the Federation in Star Ship Troopers?

Wouldn't know, never played that game..Picked the name off Battletech..The Marauder has always been one of my favorite mech's (even more so after it got a major face lift in Battletech technical readout: Phoenix Projects)

Wouldn't know, never played that game..Picked the name off Battletech..The Marauder has always been one of my favorite mech's (even more so after it got a major face lift in Battletech technical readout: Phoenix Projects)

Oh, nevermind. That was Military Command who was based on the Federation.

Think I'm going to do the same that Pudu did earlier..Main reason why I didn't do that earlier (it's past 5am) is that I didn't want to miss anything happening here..Ni ni, all, and see you tomorrow.

Hi. I'm kinda back, though I am leaving for vacation on Tuesday. I have sent supplies to support Wanderjar . . . though this is OOC, I am not sure if it is useful on this thread . . .

A couple questions. What ever happened to the troops I sent, and what ever happened to the old president?

Ah, Erricland

And his quest for Leonard Copeland and WMDs. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10779711&postcount=210)

We last saw him in Pelsgord...

But the Pudites claim to have him...

But this post was most interesting... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10797190&postcount=311)

I don't think anything hapened to yuor men unless there was a bear in that cave...

Even more Ironic is that all this happened when my troops where setting up their first bases.

OOC: Pudu, what kind of security have you got A) on the edge of your territory and B) that would prevent my men getting into Locke?

Alright, to answer The Aeson's question:

First, outside my borders I currently have 9,000 excelent light infantrymen patroling and reporting on any sort of troop movements they come across. It is very, very unlikly you will detect them, but all they are doing is watching anyway...

Then, also outside the border are fifty seperate patrols of five planes each in the air, again watchin troop movements. Although the Pudite border is where it is, we will start shooting you far before you get there, probabably ten to fifteen miles outside, depending on what it looks like you're doing.

Along the border I have a series compound-city fortifications every ten to fifteen miles, each with three-hundred and eighty thousand troops in it. Also, every single mile I have border posts, and I house a single company of soldiers at each of them.

This is beside the small wall that was begun when the cease fire was struck, right now it ammounts to a twenty-foot chain link fence in front of a three-to four foot high concrete wall, but it is being expanded all the time, and will eventually resemble that which circles the Dominion itself.

Once inside the country you'll still have a compound-city every ten to fifteen miles with at least one-hundred thousand soldiers, some with more, but that would be about it for ground patrols.

I have a rail system set up in my area, but I've bombed every major road into rubble. Dirt paths and railways are the only way around. The rail system itself is heavily guarded, becuase it is such an important peice of infastructure. There are little nodes of anti-aircraft defenses every half-mile, consisting of ten GMA-3 self-propelled anti-aircraft systems. It has four 88mm autocannons and eight pods for surface to air missiles. It is also patrolled on the ground by platoons of soldiers moving up and down it by driving alongside on their LV-08 light infantry vehicles, the work-horse of the last war.

Also, patrolling the skies above my territory inside the borders are another seventy different five man patrols of fighter planes. They are supplemented by seemingly random patrols of anywhere from one to twenty HVC-01 gunships.

Also, you may encounter some other transport collumns on the ground or in the air, moving supplies not worth using the rail system to move.

If you make it to Locke, you'll find the city itself almost entirly devoid of life. There will be a few patrols of three SIV-25 IFVs rolling around the edges, as there are in all my occupied cities, and then a few more inside, but not alot else. Surrounding the fuel depots that Chitzeland had here and the dock areas though, it is a different story. There are entire divisions of troops tasked with guarding such vitaly improtant locations, with literaly hundreds of thousands of anti-aircraft systems and armored vehicles surrounding.

Where you'll find all the people would be one of the two compound-cities set up in Locke, between them they have a total of three-hundred thousand soldiers in the city, plus those divisions guarding the docks and supply depots outside of the compounds.

At sea I have massive fleets arrayed at both Accen and Locke, each supplemented by patrols by both the HVC-02 ASW helicopters and the HVC-01 gunships. Submarines are also common patroling the North Sea and the waters north of the swampy northern territory.

All-in-all a quite difficult prospect.

Hi. I'm kinda back, though I am leaving for vacation on Tuesday. I have sent supplies to support Wanderjar . . . though this is OOC, I am not sure if it is useful on this thread . . .

A couple questions. What ever happened to the troops I sent, and what ever happened to the old president?

My commanders have before claimed to have Copeland, and indeed still do. In fact, we've shown pictures of him on television and in newspapers. It's still to dangerous to take him out in person though.

Alright, could I please know how many Wanderjarian troops, Liberated New Irish troops, Military Command troops, and Carbandian troops are at the airfield. Everyone else was not here in time to get there before the attack, however some Shazbotdom marines are apparently dropping into the fight soon too, but I know how many of them there are.

This has been a quite confusing few pages in the IC thread.

Alright, to answer The Aeson's question:

First, outside my borders I currently have 9,000 excelent light infantrymen patroling and reporting on any sort of troop movements they come across. It is very, very unlikly you will detect them, but all they are doing is watching anyway...

Then, also outside the border are fifty seperate patrols of five planes each in the air, again watchin troop movements. Although the Pudite border is where it is, we will start shooting you far before you get there, probabably ten to fifteen miles outside, depending on what it looks like you're doing.

Along the border I have a series compound-city fortifications every ten to fifteen miles, each with three-hundred and eighty thousand troops in it. Also, every single mile I have border posts, and I house a single company of soldiers at each of them.

This is beside the small wall that was begun when the cease fire was struck, right now it ammounts to a twenty-foot chain link fence in front of a three-to four foot high concrete wall, but it is being expanded all the time, and will eventually resemble that which circles the Dominion itself.

Once inside the country you'll still have a compound-city every ten to fifteen miles with at least one-hundred thousand soldiers, some with more, but that would be about it for ground patrols.

I have a rail system set up in my area, but I've bombed every major road into rubble. Dirt paths and railways are the only way around. The rail system itself is heavily guarded, becuase it is such an important peice of infastructure. There are little nodes of anti-aircraft defenses every half-mile, consisting of ten GMA-3 self-propelled anti-aircraft systems. It has four 88mm autocannons and eight pods for surface to air missiles. It is also patrolled on the ground by platoons of soldiers moving up and down it by driving alongside on their LV-08 light infantry vehicles, the work-horse of the last war.

Also, patrolling the skies above my territory inside the borders are another seventy different five man patrols of fighter planes. They are supplemented by seemingly random patrols of anywhere from one to twenty HVC-01 gunships.

Also, you may encounter some other transport collumns on the ground or in the air, moving supplies not worth using the rail system to move.

If you make it to Locke, you'll find the city itself almost entirly devoid of life. There will be a few patrols of three SIV-25 IFVs rolling around the edges, as there are in all my occupied cities, and then a few more inside, but not alot else. Surrounding the fuel depots that Chitzeland had here and the dock areas though, it is a different story. There are entire divisions of troops tasked with guarding such vitaly improtant locations, with literaly hundreds of thousands of anti-aircraft systems and armored vehicles surrounding.

Where you'll find all the people would be one of the two compound-cities set up in Locke, between them they have a total of three-hundred thousand soldiers in the city, plus those divisions guarding the docks and supply depots outside of the compounds.

At sea I have massive fleets arrayed at both Accen and Locke, each supplemented by patrols by both the HVC-02 ASW helicopters and the HVC-01 gunships. Submarines are also common patroling the North Sea and the waters north of the swampy northern territory.

All-in-all a quite difficult prospect.

Hmm. Now, what's the terrain like there? Most of your ground patrols seem to be designed to stop the enemy from moving in large amounts of troops, in which case, provided the terrains not like a barren desert or somesuch, I should be able to move small numbers of special forces past them.

The air patrols are going to be more problematic, especially if there's no forest/rugged terrain that could hide me from the air.

The area is, according to Chitzeland's factbook, vast temperate plains.

Flat, but probably with some Central Mountains foothills in the very western bit below the holdings I have in the swampy area.

The area is, according to Chitzeland's factbook, vast temperate plains.

Flat, but probably with some Central Mountains foothills in the very western bit below the holdings I have in the swampy area.
You dont have anything from the west. North, and Northwest territories are mine. The border on the river is where your territory ends and mine begins. That is the truth. That is why there is a big wall on the other side.

Look at my map (http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/7899/puditeclaimspz3.jpg), I have some peices of those rivers, below the rivers would be some foothills of the Central Mountains.

Also, all that territory in the river-area is almost entirly nearly impassable swamp.

What is your wall like?

Also, could people begin adding their claims or occupied areas on the Chitzeland map!

-Start adding to this one- (http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/7899/puditeclaimspz3.jpg)

Easy enough for me to make..As I don't have any..All I am here for is supporting a ally..

Look at my map (http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/7899/puditeclaimspz3.jpg), I have some peices of those rivers, below the rivers would be some foothills of the Central Mountains.

Also, all that territory in the river-area is almost entirly nearly impassable swamp.

What is your wall like?

Okay, getting to Locke looks like more trouble than it's worth. What about the railroad? Presumably that runs up close to the front lines. Hmm...

Forming a plan. I could have my people go via the river, underwater, and presumably you can't be guarding every inch of the railroad, so it should be possible to put a mine on it somewhere along the line...

Alright, could I please know how many Wanderjarian troops, Liberated New Irish troops, Military Command troops, and Carbandian troops are at the airfield. Everyone else was not here in time to get there before the attack, however some Shazbotdom marines are apparently dropping into the fight soon too, but I know how many of them there are.

This has been a quite confusing few pages in the IC thread.


I have around 150,000 men there. And around 500 K-1 tank, and 100 Behemoth III SHBT. In addition to my airforce.

The Factions right now as I see it are;

1) Me, I'm a faction. I want to own half of the nation.

2) PROHT and auxiliaries. This is PROHT, obviously, the Black hand, Leafistani types and other such mercenaries. He wants to get all the imperialists out and make a new government, or somesuch...

3) Chitzeland itself. Remember, they want everyone out, even PROHT and the Coalition, it's just they were the lesser of many, many evils.

4) I'm not sure if I want to put Zanski in their own faction, or in with PROHT. He has some swamp and he wants to keep it... maybe make a new government, maybe not.

5) Parthia. He wants the other half of the nation.

6) Wanderjar and his ravening hordes of Coalition allies. This includes Carbandia, Military Command, Ireland, Shazbotdom, Errikland, Craven, The Aeson, Griffincrest, and anyone else who shows up. Wants to make a new, better government.


I would like a map bit for all six of these groups, to simplify things.

The Factions right now as I see it are;

1) Me, I'm a faction. I want to own half of the nation.

2) PROHT and auxiliaries. This is PROHT, obviously, the Black hand, Leafistani types and other such mercenaries. He wants to get all the imperialists out and make a new government, or somesuch...

3) Chitzeland itself. Remember, they want everyone out, even PROHT and the Coalition, it's just they were the lesser of many, many evils.

4) I'm not sure if I want to put Zanski in their own faction, or in with PROHT. He has some swamp and he wants to keep it... maybe make a new government, maybe not.

5) Parthia. He wants the other half of the nation.

6) Wanderjar and his ravening hordes of Coalition allies. This includes Carbandia, Military Command, Ireland, Shazbotdom, Errikland, Craven, and anyone else who shows up. Wants to make a new, better government.


I would like a map bit for all six of these groups, to simplify things.

Ravening hordes?

Okay, getting to Locke looks like more trouble than it's worth. What about the railroad? Presumably that runs up close to the front lines. Hmm...

Forming a plan. I could have my people go via the river, underwater, and presumably you can't be guarding every inch of the railroad, so it should be possible to put a mine on it somewhere along the line...

Well, you wouldn't even have to follow the river as such, that whole area is a deep, lightly forrested swamp place. And yeah, the railroad runs to and from all the little round red dots on my map, with junctions at the big square red dots.

Ravening hordes?

Yes, every few minutes he gets another ally, they are a horde, and they are ravening.

Well, you wouldn't even have to follow the river as such, that whole area is a deep, lightly forrested swamp place. And yeah, the railroad runs to and from all the little round red dots on my map, with junctions at the big square red dots.

Okay. And it's being actively patrolled, not just stationed at certain points. Damn your compentence. But I can work with this. Presumambly it's going to have to run through the swamp at some point, so that should be where I attack...

Heh. Going after trained guerillas in a swamp isn't gonna be fun. Why do I get the feeling you're probably just gonna bomb the shit out of it?

The Factions right now as I see it are;

1) Me, I'm a faction. I want to own half of the nation.

2) PROHT and auxiliaries. This is PROHT, obviously, the Black hand, Leafistani types and other such mercenaries. He wants to get all the imperialists out and make a new government, or somesuch...

3) Chitzeland itself. Remember, they want everyone out, even PROHT and the Coalition, it's just they were the lesser of many, many evils.

4) I'm not sure if I want to put Zanski in their own faction, or in with PROHT. He has some swamp and he wants to keep it... maybe make a new government, maybe not.

5) Parthia. He wants the other half of the nation.

6) Wanderjar and his ravening hordes of Coalition allies. This includes Carbandia, Military Command, Ireland, Shazbotdom, Errikland, Craven, The Aeson, and anyone else who shows up. Wants to make a new, better government.


I would like a map bit for all six of these groups, to simplify things.

New Chitzeland is "friendly" with Wanderjar. They're pissed at me for leaving, but glad I've returned. PROHT is on my side, and so is Zanski. You can put them in with my Coalition....sort of. They operate on their own, but they have the same goals I do, and are working with me on them.

Yes, every few minutes he gets another ally, they are a horde, and they are ravening.

And we are organized. Ravening still (cuz ravening is fun!!! :D )

Yes, every few minutes he gets another ally, they are a horde, and they are ravening.

Greedily predacious; voracious or rapacious?

Well, I'm just here helping out Wanderjar, since I owe him for bringing back the bodies of some of my men. I'm not getting anything out of this except closure.

Greedily predacious; voracious or rapacious?

Well, I'm just here helping out Wanderjar, since I owe him for bringing back the bodies of some of my men. I'm not getting anything out of this except closure.

That and likely because your my ally, and because we're Griffincrest tormenting partners :D


and none of the above. We're other-cious ;)

That and likely because your my ally, and because we're Griffincrest tormenting partners :D

Yeah, well, Griffencrest is helping out here too. Now he certainly is ravening.

Yeah, well, Griffencrest is helping out here too. Now he certainly is ravening.

lol! Yeah, but he's really only helping out because he hates Pudu. And OOCly hes our friend. Which is ironic, because IC we hate the bastard lol, and he certainly is no fan of us.

New Chitzeland is "friendly" with Wanderjar. They're pissed at me for leaving, but glad I've returned. PROHT is on my side, and so is Zanski. You can put them in with my Coalition....sort of. They operate on their own, but they have the same goals I do, and are working with me on them.

Yeah, but I believe I remember sometime during the first conflict he refused an offer to join the Coalition proper... So he get's his own.

Zanski gets his own because although he has helped the Coalition and PROHT, he operates independently of them too.

Your faction and those two may be allied, but they're still different.

lol! Yeah, but he's really only helping out because he hates Pudu. And OOCly hes our friend. Which is ironic, because IC we hate the bastard lol, and he certainly is no fan of us.

Not that strange, really. Look at The Kraven Corporation. Utter bastard IC, but he's a pretty nice guy OOC. I don't know about AMF, but he seems pretty decent OOC as well.

Anyway... Coalition claims on the map?

IC post about crossing the border up.

Anyway... Coalition claims on the map?

Let me finish Military Command's national map, and i'll work on one. Though you can pretty much give us south East Chitzeland.

Aww...Pudu? You think that we're ravening? Thats the nicest thing anyone's ever said about us!!!

How do you add to the map? (I have a mac)

How do you add to the map? (I have a mac)

What I do is, I take the map. Then I go to paint. Edit it. Then go to Image Shack and have them host it. :)

Arr. I don't have paint. I know this is ridiculous, but could someone make one for me?

Arr. I don't have paint. I know this is ridiculous, but could someone make one for me?

One for your country? Or one for Chitzeland?

Heres a Chitzeland map, without spheres of influence.


http://www.nationstates.net/images/f...chitzeland.jpg

Heres a Chitzeland map, without spheres of influence.


http://www.nationstates.net/images/f...chitzeland.jpg

Odd.. when I click that, it brings me to my nation page.

One for your country? Or one for Chitzeland?

For our territory in Chitzeland.

For our territory in Chitzeland.

Ok. I'll work on it. And that is odd, that is brings up the NS page.....

Ever post on the wrong thread by accident before?

Was meant for A Modern World thread.

Was wondering why its main topic switched to Chitzeland...

Yeah, I can make that all work, Paupa's "Demacratic" government turns anti-USQ and socialist (Hence the supply of BMDs).

Joins Australasia in the Solomon fighting and gets a small portion of it in the process. And is still in turmoil and therefore quarantined.

Looks like PROHT is a Muslim Socialist state now. No big difference.

I'm going to also be in a mess concerning relations with nieghboring nations such as Bonstock. But on good terms with the IRI and Sujava.

......Wrong thread?

......Wrong thread?

Yep, how'd you guess?

Yep, how'd you guess?


AMW is a different RP ;)

Doesn't mean that some of us decided that to basically impose the same limit on oneself wouldn't make for a rather cost effective army..(*cough* that would be me*cough* everything used in the armed forces is available today, the main difference between them and most Russian type vehicles is that their firecontrol, and armour, is top grade..(oh and the unusual weapon calibers, but that's for when the rounds start flying))

Aeson, it's a good thing you crossed my border before, becuase now, since Zanski decided that he wants to take peices of it, it's filled up with light infantrymen hiding in the swamp and the iar is filled with hundreds of plane and helicopter patrols usualy destined for elsewhere.

You should stay low.

Pudu, i'd be careful with those airplanes, as I have a few hundred Gepard anti aircraft tanks on the airfield. They have stinger missles :D


God I love Germany

Not to mention the 92 still formidable, even after using their missles, Marauders. Even if they volleyed off all their missles, they still have their 30mm long barrelled guns Tunguska (http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=264&linkid=1692)
They are basically those^with a new radar system, and 2 extra missles.

Okay, I bought the design for my Shadowman's suit from someone else, and modified the internal temperature control system to act as a thermal cloaking device (don't have a better term for it. Essentially it means that they don't show up as anything more than slight heat shimmer on thermal scans. Nothing FTish). Is that acceptable to use in this RP?

OOC:
My marines are on their way to the airport.


Also, just a glorified Subscripting post....

What is an "XR-07 Stationary gun"?

What is an "XR-07 Stationary gun"?

All weapon information can be found on the Marine Weapons Page (http://shazbotdom.bashwebdesign.com/marineweapons.htm) of my Nation's Web Site (http://shazbotdom.bashwebdesign.com/).

All weapon information can be found on the Marine Weapons Page (http://shazbotdom.bashwebdesign.com/marineweapons.htm) of my Nation's Web Site (http://shazbotdom.bashwebdesign.com/).

You suffer from the same .08 Gauge Shotgun syndrome as Phoenix Militia has.
(easily solved by removing the . and 0)

and using Cal/mm interchangeably without converting (1.00 cal = 25 mm not 100 mm)

So it is a 50 mm crew served weapon. It seems a little light for a 2" autocannon...
the .50 cal M2 "Ma Deuce" is heavier

But why when you have assault rifles that shoot 45 mm bullets?
(.45 cal I might understand, but 45 mm is almost 2 inch wide and was mounted on tanks during the 2nd World War)

Oddly enough, even though yuor rocket launcher uses 50 cm rockets, performance is cited for .45 cal bullets.

This makes the refferance almost useless to judge whether you are fighting outside your tech range or simply made a few consistent typos.

My mariens are much stronger than normal troops. It comes from the training they recieve. The ammo is transported in the vehicles (specialised compartments under the rear section of the WH-03 Troop Transport) so the marines don't carry the ammo with the gun, making their load much lighter. I didn't calculate the weight with the ammo as thats not the weight that people would be carrying.

And i typed all the stuff in DreamWeaver MX (which before the patches didn't have spellcheck or any of that stuff) and i was half asleep. I'll make the changes when i'm on the computer that has the web site files on it.

Well, at least your export page looks about right, except for that pesky .08 (8/100) gauge shotgun that would be about 4.5" Bore diameter, and wieghs less than your .50 cal MG.

I gave Phoenix militia the same heckling for making the same mistakes.
(even pointed out that a "0.08 Gauge" shell would wheigh about 20 pounds [and he offered it on 200 round drum on a gun that wieghed 10 pounds])

And the US Army is working on a lighter .50 cal MG after the failure of the OCWS.
Their project wieghs about the cited wieght of your gun.

The M-2 empty wieghed something like 60 kg.

Their new gun (which may never see service) wieghs a mere 40 kg.

(organisation note, A company is generally 150 or so men, and is a considerable amount smaller than a division [though I guess you could use your system, the french came up with a new name for every month (such as Thermidor for July) and invented a "modern" way of counting])

Well, at least your export page looks about right, except for that pesky .08 (8/100) gauge shotgun that would be about 4.5" Bore diameter, and wieghs less than your .50 cal MG.

I gave Phoenix militia the same heckling for making the same mistakes.
(even pointed out that a "0.08 Gauge" shell would wheigh about 20 pounds [and he offered it on 200 round drum on a gun that wieghed 10 pounds])

And the US Army is working on a lighter .50 cal MG after the failure of the OCWS.
Their project wieghs about the cited wieght of your gun.

The M-2 empty wieghed something like 60 kg.

Their new gun (which may never see service) wieghs a mere 40 kg.

(organisation note, A company is generally 150 or so men, and is a considerable amount smaller than a division [though I guess you could use your system, the french came up with a new name for every month (such as Thermidor for July) and invented a "modern" way of counting])


M2s are heavy as hell man. I heard that some parts of it, I think its the tripod plate, is like 120 lbs. I could be wrong though.

Okay, I bought the design for my Shadowman's suit from someone else, and modified the internal temperature control system to act as a thermal cloaking device (don't have a better term for it. Essentially it means that they don't show up as anything more than slight heat shimmer on thermal scans. Nothing FTish). Is that acceptable to use in this RP?

Cough?

Cough?

Pandas. I say yay! go ahead.

Pandas. I say yay! go ahead.

Well, I'll wait for confirmation of someone not in the coalition.

Well, I'll wait for confirmation of someone not in the coalition.

*Shoes away the Great Panda*


That doesn't mean you.

*Impossibly large Great Panda runs off into the forest*

Whats the objective? To people on wanderjar side, whats the size of the enemy force?

Asylumny']Whats the objective? To people on wanderjar side, whats the size of the enemy force?


The nation of Chitzeland was liberated from a corrupt government by my military a few months ago. Now, it is undersiege by Emperor Pudu and the Parthians, who want to enslave it. Our goal is to prevent that.


Pudu has about 9 million troops here.

Parthians has about the same.

Fuck, that bigger than my population. How many troops do we have? Do we have any bases set up?

Asylumny']Fuck, that bigger than my population. How many troops do we have? Do we have any bases set up?


Quite a few.


Our armies outnumber them by three times.

Anyhting small I can do to help?

Asylumny']Anyhting small I can do to help?

Put troops on the ground :)

Its not the size of the contribution, its the fact that you did.

can I use someones base instead of making my own?

lol its going to take a hell load of time getting 250,000 troops on the ground when Im only able to send 350 at a time

Pudu, i'd be careful with those airplanes, as I have a few hundred Gepard anti aircraft tanks on the airfield. They have stinger missles :D


God I love Germany

Yeah, but your Gepard's have no communication, radar, and it's four in the morning and your shooting at planes moving at mach speed flying at least fifty-thousand feet above you, but of course the tanks have no clue how high they are, becuase their radar is jammed.

Also, the Stinger anti-aircraft missiles that Gepard tanks have can only reach fifteen thousand or so feet up in the air, so it doesn't matter.

Okay, I bought the design for my Shadowman's suit from someone else, and modified the internal temperature control system to act as a thermal cloaking device (don't have a better term for it. Essentially it means that they don't show up as anything more than slight heat shimmer on thermal scans. Nothing FTish). Is that acceptable to use in this RP?

Yeah, I should say so. I have genetically modified soldiers and drop pods will soon be raining down on my attack at the airfeild.

do we control any airfields, so that I may deploy some planes and choppers

Asylumny']do we control any airfields, so that I may deploy some planes and choppers
Yeah, the Coalition has an airfield about halfway between two of my cities. I am throwing a few million pounds of explosive and a few hundred thousand soldiers at it right now though.

May want to try another.

Yeah, I should say so. I have genetically modified soldiers and drop pods will soon be raining down on my attack at the airfeild.

Awesome. In that case, I'll go for Mark III. (somewhat accelerated healing, some optical implants, possibly weaponry implanted into their body.)

Yeah, the Coalition has an airfield about halfway between two of my cities. I am throwing a few million pounds of explosive and a few hundred thousand soldiers at it right now though.

May want to try another.

Any other airports?

Yeah, but your Gepard's have no communication, radar, and it's four in the morning and your shooting at planes moving at mach speed flying at least fifty-thousand feet above you, but of course the tanks have no clue how high they are, becuase their radar is jammed.

Also, the Stinger anti-aircraft missiles that Gepard tanks have can only reach fifteen thousand or so feet up in the air, so it doesn't matter.


What are you talking about? Gepards have a radar system very much integrated into them.

I hope they do for your sake.

I hope they do for your sake.


I'd be the one afraid, as you're outnumbered four to one, and my forces are very well trained and battle hardened.

No one asked my question, Can I station my troops at anyones base?

Asylumny']No one asked my question, Can I station my troops at anyones base?


Everyone's stationed at my airfield.

ok reinforcemnets on the way

Pudu? Ever heard of ECM and Polarization?

Lets just say you're airforces is screwed. I know my shit.

Pudu? Ever heard of ECM and Polarization?

Lets just say you're airforces is screwed. I know my shit.

ECM, as in electromagnetic countermeasures?

I'm using it! I am jamming your radar systems and communications by tracking their frequencies, and, then my jammers manipulate the received radar energy and retransmit it to you to change the return that your radar sees, thus making the radar useless.

Polarization, as in measureing electromagnetic radiation in an area, and using changes to detect moving aircraft?

Got that too! The F-225A has a system on it that prevents the detection of the change of electromagnetic radiation when an aircraft passes through varying areas of electromagnetic radiation. This system would fool a detection system that knows the electromagnetic radiation gradient of a certain area and can detect the change or disturbance of it when metal or an aircraft travels through it. The F-225A also has a continuously changing electromagnetic jammer, which prevents it from being detected in this way as well.


Is that what you meant?

Asylumny']ok reinforcemnets on the way

You would get there significantly after the attack had ended.

ECM, as in electromagnetic countermeasures?

I'm using it! I am jamming your radar systems and communications by tracking their frequencies, and, then my jammers manipulate the received radar energy and retransmit it to you to change the return that your radar sees, thus making the radar useless.

Polarization, as in measureing electromagnetic radiation in an area, and using changes to detect moving aircraft?

Got that too! The F-225A has a system on it that prevents the detection of the change of electromagnetic radiation when an aircraft passes through varying areas of electromagnetic radiation. This system would fool a detection system that knows the electromagnetic radiation gradient of a certain area and can detect the change or disturbance of it when metal or an aircraft travels through it. The F-225A also has a continuously changing electromagnetic jammer, which prevents it from being detected in this way as well.


Is that what you meant?


Very good! Except you forgot something, ECM has a way of preventing you from doing any of that. Blip enhancement, frequency hopping, etc.

You would get there significantly after the attack had ended.

They've all been coming though for sometime. So they will be arriving before you've made your assault.

Well, with about a year of RPing, I could get something like 16 to 320 million chitzis trained with the use of 8 million troops.

In two years I could train 656 million

Sadly, this conflict has only been going for a few months worth of RPed time and I've sent almost nothing of what I could (waiting for that time "I'll need it most")

They've all been coming though for sometime. So they will be arriving before you've made your assault.

I posted early in the thread about the attack, later he posted, time had gone by. He gets in after the attack, otherwise people could just keep joining and warping back into the fight at the airfield far after it was supposed to be finished!

[NS]Asylumny:
To the OOC thread! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477870)

I should've named my FBs after animals or something...

Nah, would have gotten too confusing for little old Parth (Where is he?)

lol!

(I have no idea, I was wondering the same thing)

Just as well, I'll be gone for a week soon.

And since nobody is attacking my farces save Parth, and Pudu has no reason to, I'll be fine.

In Operation Overlord I've got that covered (currently covering for that person)

That leaves the AMW thread, oh, yeah, I've not been admited yet.

Looks like my travel arragements are in order

*packs up and leaves*

Just as well, I'll be gone for a week soon.

And since nobody is attacking my farces save Parth, and Pudu has no reason to, I'll be fine.

In Operation Overlord I've got that covered (currently covering for that person)

That leaves the AMW thread, oh, yeah, I've not been admited yet.

Looks like my travel arragements are in order

*packs up and leaves*

What a coincidence! Neither have I!!!

I posted early in the thread about the attack, later he posted, time had gone by. He gets in after the attack, otherwise people could just keep joining and warping back into the fight at the airfield far after it was supposed to be finished!


Ever thought that people could arrive during the assault, which hasn't happened yet anyway? You've only launched one strike against me so far. The other hasn't got to my base yet, therefore, all my friends are there.

Sorry to say but I agree with Pudu

Asylumny']Sorry to say but I agree with Pudu

Meh. Ok. You can arrive after. Who is here so far then?

I am. Craven is, Blackhelm, LNI, and Military Command. You can arrive after the bombardment. :)

We will take any of your wounded

The attack has begun, and I will be signing off for a few hours now. Back later to see how you respond.

The attack has begun, and I will be signing off for a few hours now. Back later to see how you respond.

Later bro!

Pudu, find the song We're Not Going to Take It by Twisted Sister and listen to it. Thats the song that keeps going over in my mind as I fight you.

Oh we're not gonna take it!
No, we ain't gonna take it!
Oh we're not gonna take it anymore!

We've got the right to choose it,
There ain't no way we'll lost it,
This is our life, this is our song!

We'll fight the powers that be just,
Don't pick our destiny 'cause
You don't know us! you don't belong!

Oh we're not gonna take it!
No, we ain't gonna take it!
Oh we're not gonna take it anymore!

Oh you're so condescending!
Your gall is neverending!
We don't want nothin', not a thing from you!

Your life is trite and jaded!
Boring and confiscated!
If that's your best, your best won't do!

Oh Oh

We're right! Yeah!
We're free! Yeah!
We'll fight! Yeah!
You'll see! Yeah!

Oh we're not gonna take it!
No, we ain't gonna take it!
Oh we're not gonna take it anymore!

Oh we're not gonna take it!
No, we ain't gonna take it!
Oh we're not gonna take it anymore!

No way!

Oh Oh!

We're right! yeah!
We're free! yeah!
We'll fight! yeah!
You'll see! yeah!

Oh we're not gonna take it!
No, we ain't gonna take it!
Oh we're not gonna take it anymore!

Oh we're not gonna take it!
No, we ain't gonna take it!
Oh we're not gonna take it anymore!

Just you try and make us!
We're not gonna take it!
Come on!

No, we ain't gonna take it!
You're all worthless and weak!
We're not gonna take it anymore!

Now drop and give me twenty!
We're not gonna take it!
Oh crinch pin!

No, we ain't gonna take it!
Oh you and your uniform!
We're not gonna take it anymore!


hehe

Oh, Pudu, if I remember right, Wunderjar recieved these nifty tanks called Behemoths.

It carries Two 220 mm ETC guns BTW.

Behemoth II:

As the name implies, this tank is a mammoth on the battlefield. The Behemoth II is bigger than almost every other vehicle that will be faced in battle. It has state of the art systems from DMI and MierTech. Its armament is two huge 220mm smooth bore guns and two stinger pods to defend against aerial attacks.
Type: Super Heavy Main Battle Tank
Crew: 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver)
Length: 18m
Width: 10m
Height: 7m
Weight: 360 tons
Armor: 3x Layers of Triad Armor
Ground clearance: .85m
Armament:
--2x 220mm Smooth Bore Gun (with auto-loading system)
--2x Computer Controlled Stingers Pods (each hold 6x Stingers)
--1x M240 Medium Machine Gun
Engine:
-2x TLS Propulsion ME-120 (3800 hp each)
-96 ft2 of TLS Propulsion Solar Photovoltaic Panels (5600 watts per day)
Power to Weight Ratio: 21.1 hp/ton
Fuel capacity: 1750 Gallons
Max Speed: 40 mph (Governed)
Range: 300 miles


On another note I actually found a missing Chitzi-tech post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10772177&postcount=129)

Oh, Pudu, if I remember right, Wunderjar recieved these nifty tanks called Behemoths.

It carries Two 220 mm ETC guns BTW.

Behemoth II:

As the name implies, this tank is a mammoth on the battlefield. The Behemoth II is bigger than almost every other vehicle that will be faced in battle. It has state of the art systems from DMI and MierTech. Its armament is two huge 220mm smooth bore guns and two stinger pods to defend against aerial attacks.
Type: Super Heavy Main Battle Tank
Crew: 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver)
Length: 18m
Width: 10m
Height: 7m
Weight: 360 tons
Armor: 3x Layers of Triad Armor
Ground clearance: .85m
Armament:
--2x 220mm Smooth Bore Gun (with auto-loading system)
--2x Computer Controlled Stingers Pods (each hold 6x Stingers)
--1x M240 Medium Machine Gun
Engine:
-2x TLS Propulsion ME-120 (3800 hp each)
-96 ft2 of TLS Propulsion Solar Photovoltaic Panels (5600 watts per day)
Power to Weight Ratio: 21.1 hp/ton
Fuel capacity: 1750 Gallons
Max Speed: 40 mph (Governed)
Range: 300 miles


On another note I actually found a missing Chitzi-tech post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10772177&postcount=129)


Hurtful thoughts, you are awsome. :D

I do my best at whatever it is I do...

What do I do?

Q: If some Nations are calling my Nation a terrorist state, how do I deal with them?

A: Invade, set up a puppet government, reap it for all it is worth, then blow them all up. Just to show that I'm a (reletively) nice guy.

Q: If I'm lossing a war, what is a sure fire way of winning.

A: Stop, breath, read, think, think of what he would do and what would most likely counter it, do that, but also be able to cover youself if he does the same thing you just did. In which case you start naming every single man in your army and claim that the other nation isn't specific enough with his actions.

And if that fails, just start rolling around those big guns behind your back.

I do my best at whatever it is I do...

What do I do?

Q: If some Nations are calling my Nation a terrorist state, how do I deal with them?

A: Invade, set up a puppet government, reap it for all it is worth, then blow them all up. Just to show that I'm a nice guy.

Q: If I'm lossing a war, what is a sure fire way of winning.

A: Stop, breath, read, think, think of what he would do and what would most likely counter it, do that, but also be able to cover youself if he does the same thing you just did. In which case you start naming every single man in your army and claim that the other nation isn't specific enough with his actions.


lol!


And thank you for the nice little reference to my Behemoth IIIs...hehehe. Gotta love mobile fortresses!

lol!


And thank you for the nice little reference to my Behemoth IIIs...hehehe. Gotta love mobile fortresses!

Yep, the B-Moth was one of the few SHBTs I didn't see much of anything wrong with, it even could drive down a city street.
(treads on sidewalks)

I love those tanks! There awsome. Wish I could afford 25,000

Asylumny']I love those tanks! There awsome. Wish I could afford 25,000


lol! I could have bought a hell of alot more, but i'm saving my budget for other things.

with your budget do you subtract stuff? Or spend it all once a day like some people? I write EVERYTHING down and I know exactly how much I have

Asylumny']with your budget do you subtract stuff? Or spend it all once a day like some people? I write EVERYTHING down and I know exactly how much I have


Like I said before, I keep it general. If i know i'm going over my budget, I don't spend anymore. Generally though, I try to spend less than 2 trillion per day (though i go days without buying things sometimes), so in the extremely unlikely event that I don't have enough money, I can say I have a surplus, and I might get away with it.

Got to love DMI..The guy really has some excellent stuff in his storefront (notably the Behemoth mbt's, among others:D )

Got to love DMI..The guy really has some excellent stuff in his storefront (notably the Behemoth mbt's, among others:D )


Most deffinatley! He's cool too.


heh, I just bought 25,000 of them :D. Behemoth IIIs I mean.

Wanderjar, you have vastly underestimated my tanks. Although my infantry may take some quite heavy casualties, you place to much confidence in a simple pair of 120mm guns to disable the ST-37K1.

And, visa-versa your to overconfident in your own tanks to survive. How many do you have there, by the way?

Here's a little snippet from the technical specs of the tank;

Its primary armament is the brand new, improved SB-MKEMG 120mm electro-thermal chemical main cannon, incorporating the tandem EMAS [Electro-Magnetic Acceleration System] and DGA [Dynamic Gas Assist] systems to create a variant of the 120mm electro-thermal chemical main gun so lethal, so powerful, that there is no threat on this world that can stand a chance against a full frontal assault from the ST-37K1. The EMAS is a series of magnetic coils, positioned along the barrel which increase the velocity of the standard electro-thermal fired weapon. When a round is to be fired, the projectile is loaded into the barrel and the breech is closed, this brings the electrode mere micrometers from the opposite contact/conduit on the round. When the system is fired, a high voltage/low amperage spark jumps the gap and immediately courses through the propellant, igniting it in a massive, controlled burn, far, far more efficient than what you could ever get from a conventional cannon and with relatively little energy drain. This is where the EMAS system takes control. As soon as the round is fired, or after the electrical force is applied to the propellant, capacitors (which had built up energy from the generators, motor, and batteries) discharge electrical energy into a series of circuits which are routed to coils placed along the barrel of the weapon (which is laminated to prevent magnitization of the barrel). The coils generate a magnetic field with the 'south' field attracting the round, as it approaches, the 'north' field takes control, propelling the magnetized round (with north facing out of the barrel, and south facing towards the breech) to the next coil. The process is repeated three more times. This allows for the round to be propelled from the barrel at a much greater velocity than would a standard electro-thermal cannon. Now, you may be asking, 'well, how did the round get magnitized?' The answer is simple, when the electricity is applied to the propellant to propel the round from the barrel, the entire breech is effectively drenched in electricity, and when electricity [its conduit] is wrapped around a metal object, it tends to magnitize (depends on what rounds you use). The barrel itself is laminated to prevent it from becoming magnitized.
This is what is impacting the front of your Abrams and modified Abrams.


However, the cannon also utilizes the Dynamic Gas Assist [DGA] which is a seperate tank of inert, inflammible gas. At the end of the tank is a large piston combined with a recoil absorbing system to take recoil generated by the main gun and use it to drive the piston which will compress the gas. When the main gun fires, the gas will be compressed and then it will absorb heat from the firing of the main gun, creating an intense pressure. A valve opens and the heated, compressed gas travels through a series of venturii, creating a low-pressure, very high-velocity gas flow which then enters the barrel directly behind the round, increasing its speed, improving its stability, and increasing over-all range. It also doubles as a recoil reduction system [as it transfers recoil momentum to drive the piston] and a heat absorption system, absorbing the heat and dissipating it along with the firing of the round.
This is what makes it hurt more.


The final cannon assist system is the Successive Fire Projectile Assist [SFPA] system, a twin-fire system which can be enabled [not recommended for excessive firing as it tends to overheat after repeated use and drains power very quickly] and which creates a dynamic, successive fire system. When the fire button is depressed, the electrical impulse traverses the control interfaces to the fire control computer which releases the energy stored in the tank's supercapacitors. However at the very instance that the button is pressed, 'surge capacitors' which carry extra energy for additional purposes in the event it is required, immediately store energy. After the supercapacitors release their energy into the primary firing system the surge capacitors release their energy just two milliseconds before the first, resulting in a successive blast system. The first, primary blast propels the projectile towards the initial windings [of the EMAS system], the second blast erupts shortly after propelling the expanding gases behind the shell forward and increasing the velocity of the projectile a great deal, however the second 'firing' is not nearly the same power or energy of the initial and only aides the round in providing a successive propellant feature. The result is an increased heat signature [solved by extensive liquid cooling systems], a double-tap audible signature unique to the vehicle, and a faster drain on electrical systems. It is not recommended for extensive, repeated use due to its enhanced wear on the barrel and the ability for it to overcome the coolant systems and harm fire control, wiring, or other equipment on the tank due to excessive heat. This system is a form of electro-thermal cannon and instead turns a dot of metal into plasma, which creates intense heat/pressure, expanding the gases, etc.
And if through some gigantic stroke of luck, your tanks can survive a shot from that, the tank will just hurl a round of this at you.


The initial layer is the newly developed AERA-III, a Dynamic Explosive Reactive Armor [DERA], providing exceptional defense against both kinetic and other types of warheads. Operating much like a conventional ERA block, the block face is instead a thickened plate [at a twenty-five degree angle in relation to the armor face], with the explosive propellant positioned behind it and around its edges. With a patterned and directed detonation procedure, the explosive ring around the outside detonates first, operating like conventional ERA and blasting a HEAT shell's jet with a jet of its own as well as potentially throwing it or a kinetic kill vehicle off course enough to where its damage is minimal or it is subjected to further DERA reactions, then the primary charge ignites, propelling the plate into whatever projectile is incoming, either deflecting the projectile [especially since the plate is at an angle], disfiguring it, or altering its flight path with the second plate [back-plate] rebounding off the armor and into the remnants of the projectile. This is further enhanced by a twin-layer system, two layers of DERA possible due to the plate protecting the majority of propellant. The layers are found on all exposed surfaces [except rear main body] including the turret roof [and auxiliary turret roof]. [Can be removed for infantry operations, or disabled]

The secondary layer begins after the AERA-III. The initial layer of the conventional armor is composed of a spaced gap system to effectively neatralize any HEAT rounds that penetrate the defense systems. Beyond this is a kevlar infused layer of ceramics designed to absorb and spread the kinetic energy of a kinetic kill round [the crushing of the ceramics allows for the dissipation of kinetic energy] as well as produce the jet of dust to slow down incoming HEAT jets. This is further enhanced by a layer composed of a slanted compacted aluminum honeycomb layer [which gives it incredible kinetic energy absorbant powers by spreading it across the ceramic armor; located forward of the ceramics]. Behind this is metal laminate with two layers: a hard ceramic-like “intermetallic” layer of titanium aluminide, and a pliable layer of residual titanium alloy which provide awesome kinetic energy defense. A final thick layer of boronated plastics and carbon elements protect the crew from radiation. This 'Standard Armor' layer is further supplemented by the Fused Interlock Armor System [FIAS] which are blocks of armor interlocked with another block to form a configuration like that of a brick wall. These blocks are of a heavy blended metal design with ceramic inserts, strengthened with fibers to prevent shattering and coated in a hard substance. The system is encased in an area which allows some movement, allowing for the system to actually absorb and dissipate kenetic energy across a wider area and softening any blows for the tertiary layer to absorb. All ceramics are surrounded in plasma immersion ion implanted metal armor, where the plates of armor are immersed in a high-temperature, high-magnetic field plasma field [within containment equipment]. The magnetic fields drive the energetic plasma ions into the metal creating a very hard outer layer. All steel surfaces are plasma immersed.
Imbedded within the turret face and sides are aluminum, plasma ion-hardened tanks roughly an inch in thickness that contains electrolytic fluid [which changes viscosity when hit with electricity]. When a round is detected moving towards the vehicle, an electronic firing system fires an electrical pulse into the electrodes protruding into the fluid across each individual tank [each tank is a series of tanks to ensure that the entire system isn't rendered useless after one round]. This means, that when a round impacts and penetrates the armor before it, it will hit the gel-like liquid and then it will harden/thicken and spread the energy across the tank reducing the round's effectiveness. To prevent spillage and entire-system-destruction, each tank is cordoned off by seperators to prevent one hit from draining and destroying the entire system. The entire system, designated the Liquid-Based Passive Defense System [LBPDS] or Electrolytic Fluid Defense System [EFDS], protects the vehicle from both kinetic kill weapons, HEAT jets, and other weapons including shrapnel. The tanks are located on the turret face, turret sides, and turret roof.

The final layer is a tank-wide anti-spalling layer composed of light weight fibers and metal to prevent damage from fragments to the crew and internal components.
This keeps it moving when your K-1s try and take it out.

Hang on, Pudu..Mind please explaining to me how on Earth those tanks can be modern tech? This sounds to me more like post modern tech than it does modern, no offense meant (and for that matter, so do the Behemoths, while we are on the subject, especially the 3)

These tanks cost ungodly ammounts of money, and I bought them from a Modern Tech storefront.

Also, some strange technology has already worked its way into the RP, like Aeson's stealth suit things and Shazbotdoms drop pods.

Modern Tech, it's just powerful tech.

These tanks cost ungodly ammounts of money, and I bought them from a Modern Tech storefront.

Also, some strange technology has already worked its way into the RP, like Aeson's stealth suit things and Shazbotdoms drop pods.

Modern Tech, it's just powerful tech.

Yeah, well, that's why I checked with you first.

Now I feel even smaller..Oh well..as long as Molot gives a good showing of itself (and I have fun doing it, of course), I'll live and learn..How do you treat p.o.w.'s, just out of curiosity? (not implying I'm surrendering, just wondering out loud)

Now I feel even smaller..Oh well..as long as Molot gives a good showing of itself (and I have fun doing it, of course), I'll live and learn..How do you treat p.o.w.'s, just out of curiosity? (not implying I'm surrendering, just wondering out loud)

He flays them, roasts them slowly over an open fire, and makes them do humilating skits. Not usually in that order...

Also, by going through all the pages and posts before my attack, and ruling out what Wanderjar has said before to be somewhere else, this is what I gather to be in the airfield.

Wanderjar:
40,000 soldiers
400 M1A2 Abrams

Carbandia:
512 Merkúr mbt's
256 Matador-b ifv's
192 Mauler self proppelled guns
64 Marauder self proppelled aa gun/missle combination
12 Matador apc's
1912 infantry
30 engineers, 3 matador apc's

Liberated New Ireland:
200,000 light infantry
100,000 regulars
5,000 rangers
100 VTOLT-1 transports

Military Command:
86,698 soldiers
4000 M1A2 SEP MBTs
7000 Challenger MBTs
10000 M3A3 Cavalry Fighting Vehicle
2000 Stryker ICVs
3000 Paladin howitzers
1500 M247 DIVADs
8000 Avengers
20000 Humvees


TOTAL MEN: 436,610 soldiers
TOTAL TANKS: 2,012 main battle tanks
TOTAL AFVS: 12,271 APCs / IFVs / other tracked things
TOTAL WHEELED VEHICLES: 20,000 wheeled vehicles (not counting Avengers, they're AA primarily)
TOTAL ANTI-AIR: 9,564 anti-air missile and gun systems
TOTAL ARTILLERY: 3,192 howitzers

And there we go, that is everything on the ground defending from my attacks.

If you want, I can do a breakdown like that of everything I have attacking the field.

He flays them, roasts them slowly over an open fire, and makes them do humilating skits. Not usually in that order...
Was sort of asking Pudu, there..But yeowch! No Geneva convention in this war?

And you got my oob absolutely correct, Pudu. Just so you know all the vehicle crews (including Ridzik himself) have carbines, so if they loose their tanks, they will fight as infantry..(the divisional infantry is still mounted, waiting for a trouble spot to race to, if needed)

Now I feel even smaller..Oh well..as long as Molot gives a good showing of itself (and I have fun doing it, of course), I'll live and learn..How do you treat p.o.w.'s, just out of curiosity? (not implying I'm surrendering, just wondering out loud)

We don't take prisoners.

Perverts, Subversives, and Tresspassers are to be shot

Was sort of asking Pudu, there..But yeowch! No Geneva convention in this war?

Well, I don't know if Pudu ever signed the Geneva Convention, but honestly, that was just me propogandizing. I imagine he'll do one of three things. One, treat them decently, two shoot them there instead of taking prisoners, or three torture them to gain intel.

We don't take prisoners.

Perverts, Subversives, and Tresspassers are to be shot
Well that answers that..Better win this fight, then..

Well, I don't know if Pudu ever signed the Geneva Convention, but honestly, that was just me propogandizing. I imagine he'll do one of three things. One, treat them decently, two shoot them there instead of taking prisoners, or three torture them to gain intel.

We have an ingenous way of gaining intelligence. First, we find the guy in charge of the place (our best guess), then we ask him nicely one question (i.e "Is it safe", etc.), then if we don't like his answer, he takes too long, or looks at us funny, we'll shoot him. Everyone but him is shot already.

ooc:Is it ok my army arrives during the attack?

We have an ingenous way of gaining intelligence. First, we find the guy in charge of the place (our best guess), then we ask him nicely one question (i.e "Is it safe", etc.), then if we don't like his answer, he takes too long, or looks at us funny, we'll shoot him. Everyone but him is shot already.

That seems to me to be more of a way not to gather intel.

Yes, well, it is not foolproof.

Asylumny']ooc:Is it ok my army arrives during the attack?

You... [grumble], showed up way after other people who wanted to fight. You'll have to be content with defending some other Coalition position I attack.

If you find him, Ridzik would probably reply "what the fuck?" or something to that regard. But that isn't going to be easy, as the only hint to who he is is the name tag he wears..Wearing general's stars on the battlefield kinda says "I am important, shoot me!" to every sniper around the place (no officer in Molot wears any rank insignia, the troops all know them by sight)

I'm going to do one of those breakdown thingies of my attacking force. Hang on a second.

If you find him, Ridzik would probably reply "what the fuck?" or something to that regard. But that isn't going to be easy, as the only hint to who he is is the name tag he wears..Wearing general's stars on the battlefield kinda says "I am important, shoot me!" to every sniper around the place (no officer in Molot wears any rank insignia, the troops all know them by sight)

Well, then though the time-tested process of guessing, we'll probably end up with some random rifleman.

You... [grumble], showed up way after other people who wanted to fight. You'll have to be content with defending some other Coalition position I attack.

ok after the attack my army will land at the airfield

Asylumny']ok after the attack my army will land at the airfield

Well, unless he captures the airfield, in which case landing there might be a bad plan.

lol yeah it would be a bad plan if he captures it

It would look something like this:


:eek: :sniper:

Asylumny']lol yeah it would be a bad plan if he captures it

It would look something like this:


:eek: :sniper:


He won't take the airfield.


Ever heard of Bloody Ridge?

I know that


No whats that?

Nah..I'd let you land..and then hit you hard while you are just starting to offload..Of course I do have a evil streak that most people don't know of..:D (don't belive me? ask Shadowflames (yes, that's a actual ns nation))

Alright, this is what I have, in total, on the ground attacking the Wanderjarina airfield.


Emperor Pudu:
595,923 Guardian Infantrymen
59,743 ST-37K1 Advanced Main Battle Tanks
44,985 LV-08 Light Infantry Vehicles
44,941 Ural-43206 Transport Vehicles
29,984 SIV-25 Armored Personel Carriers
14,941 GMA-3 Bear self-propelled low level air defense systems
29,981 GMA-4 Bobcat 128mm self-propelled multi-purpose guns
19,993 GMA-5 Puma 155mm self-propelled howitzers
10,000 GMA-6 Tiger 280mm heavy self-propelled howitzers
10,000 GA-4 Panther 88mm light towed anti-aircraft artillery pieces
10,000 GA-7 Black Panther 128mm heavy towed anti-aircraft artillery pieces
15,000 GA-9 240mm Towed Field Artillery Pieces
10,000 GA-10 280mm Towed Heavy Field Artillery Pieces
15,000 SIV-25 MGMS Armored Fighting Vehicles



TOTAL MEN: 595,923 soldiers
TOTAL TANKS: 59,743 Main Battle Tanks
TOTAL AFVS: 29,984 APCs
TOTAL WHEELED VEHICLES: 89,926 wheeled vehicles
TOTAL ANTI-AIR: 34,941 anti-air missile and gun systems
TOTAL ARTILLERY: 15,000 missile artillery, 54,993 howitzers, 29,981 guns (guns are direct fire, primarily anti-tank, while howitzers fire indirectly, many of my howitzers can do both)

Nah..I'd let you land..and then hit you hard while you are just starting to offload..Of course I do have a evil streak that most people don't know of..:D (don't belive me? ask Shadowflames (yes, that's a actual ns nation))

Are you Pudu?

Alright, this is what I have, in total, on the ground attacking the Wanderjarina airfield.


Emperor Pudu:
600,000 Guardian Infantrymen
60,000 ST-37K1 Advanced Main Battle Tanks
45,000 LV-08 Light Infantry Vehicles
45,000 Ural-43206 Transport Vehicles
15,000 GMA-3 Bear low level air defense systems
30,000 SIV-25 Armored Personel Carriers
10,000 GA-7 Black Panther 128mm heavy towed anti-aircraft artillery pieces
10,000 GA-4 Panther 88mm light towed anti-aircraft artillery pieces
30,000 GMA-4 Bobcat 128mm self-propelled multi-purpose guns
10,000 GA-10 280mm Towed Heavy Field Artillery Pieces
15,000 GA-9 240mm Towed Field Artillery Pieces
25,000 GMA-5 Puma 155mm self-propelled howitzers
10,000 GMA-6 Tiger 280mm heavy self-propelled howitzers
15,000 SIV-25 MGMS Armored Fighting Vehicles


TOTAL MEN: 600,000 soldiers
TOTAL TANKS: 60,000 Main Battle Tanks
TOTAL AFVS: 30,000 APCs
TOTAL WHEELED VEHICLES: 90,000 wheeled vehicles
TOTAL ANTI-AIR: 35,000 anti-air missile and gun systems
TOTAL ARTILLERY: 15,000 missile artillery, 55,000 howitzers, 30,000 guns (guns are direct fire, primarily anti-tank, while howitzers fire indirectly, many of my howitzers can do both)


(OOC: Ok, thanks man)

Are you Pudu?
Nope. But that is what I'd do in his place

Are you Pudu?

I am, and I'm not that subtle.

Okay, everybody, I'm going away for awhile, so... yeah.

Wanderjar, check out the breakdowns of force for both sides I just posted, and the technical stats on my tanks a few pages back.

Wanderjar, you have vastly underestimated my tanks. Although my infantry may take some quite heavy casualties, you place to much confidence in a simple pair of 120mm guns to disable the ST-37K1.

And, visa-versa your to overconfident in your own tanks to survive. How many do you have there, by the way?

Here's a little snippet from the technical specs of the tank;


This is what is impacting the front of your Abrams and modified Abrams.



This is what makes it hurt more.



And if through some gigantic stroke of luck, your tanks can survive a shot from that, the tank will just hurl a round of this at you.



This keeps it moving when your K-1s try and take it out.


Oh well. If you're using something like that, then I guess I'll have to use totally unrestricted warfare! After I drive you off, you'll have to deal with my MT modified Baneblade! Thats right! I made one MT. No lasers on this one, just a shit load of heavy machine guns and a massive cannon. It cost me so damn much that I only have 300 of them, but I will commit them. They'll just have to wait until after the battle.

*is tempted to slowly back out of this rp, as this is getting ridicolous*
Guys, I signed up for a modern tech rp, not a comparison of who can make the most bad ass tank by stretching that definition..

*is tempted to slowly back out of this rp, as this is getting ridicolous*
Guys, I signed up for a modern tech rp, not a comparison of who can make the most bad ass tank by stretching that definition..

I know that, which is why I never use them. But those tanks are ridiculous. I wanted a MT war, using Leopards, Abrams, T-90s, etc. Those are PMT. My K-1s and even my Behemoths are MT. But those......no. I won't use my Banes because they aren't fair. So disregard that post.

I know that, which is why I never use them. But those tanks are ridiculous. I wanted a MT war, using Leopards, Abrams, T-90s, etc. Those are PMT. My K-1s and even my Behemoths are MT. But those......no. I won't use my Banes because they aren't fair. So disregard that post.
This goes for all of you, not just Wanderjar, both Gasn members, and not..While I do not mind loosing, I would at least like to have the comfort in knowing that my tanks at least made some sort of difference..But with these monsters rolling around, my own design, which is a tank that would work very well on today's battlefield, is a death trap..

This goes for all of you, not just Wanderjar, both Gasn members, and not..While I do not mind loosing, I would at least like to have the comfort in knowing that my tanks at least made some sort of difference..But with these monsters rolling around, my own design, which is a tank that would work very well on today's battlefield, is a death trap..

Yeah, I agree. Asylumny's Leopards I gave him would have no effect at all.

This goes for all of you, not just Wanderjar, both Gasn members, and not..While I do not mind loosing, I would at least like to have the comfort in knowing that my tanks at least made some sort of difference..But with these monsters rolling around, my own design, which is a tank that would work very well on today's battlefield, is a death trap..

I agree. My forces would have no affect.Its totally unfair. He uses those tanks, then I use lasers from my satelite, and then he uses robots. It would just keep escaliating and get way out of hand

Asylumny']I agree. My forces would have no affect.Its totally unfair. He uses those tanks, then I use lasers from my satelite, and then he uses robots. It would just keep escaliating and get way out of hand


Hell, I could use those Baneblades, and then his whole army would be destroyed. They'd have no chance. Two banes could destroy his entire army in Chitzeland. But am I going to use them? No. Because they aren't fair.

Dat' Pizdy Arms, Soviet Bloc's sotrefront, International Mall, Modern Technology.

Someone make the next move *cough* pudu *cough*

Dat' Pizdy Arms, Soviet Bloc's sotrefront, International Mall, Modern Technology.

Eh, none of us agree that it qualifies though. Look, if my K-1 is considered stretching it by the NS draftroom, then your tank is a super god mod. Edit it, and make it defeatable.

Look at it this way:
Every tank is a balance of three things: firepower, armour, speed.
You have to find a way to balance all three. And, no, no tank in history has ever managed to completely become immune to needing to balance those three factors out..
Ever considered the fact that, say, your mbt's might be so heavy that they actually sink into the ground they are driving over?

Look at it this way:
Every tank is a balance of three things: firepower, armour, speed.
You have to find a way to balance all three. And, no, no tank in history has ever managed to completely become immune to needing to balance those three factors out..
Ever considered the fact that, say, your mbt's might be so heavy that they actually sink into the ground they are driving over?


I once had a friend who worked for General Dynamics, which was the company which designed the armaments for the M1A2 Tank (He was the one doing the designing). From the things he told me he had to do, your tank would indeed not function. It would be more unreliable than the AR-15!!!

EDIT!: I believe GD was the name of the company. It was something Dynamics anyway...

You are absolutely correct, Wanderjar, it was General Dynamics that built the Abrahms..Not sure if it's ground division is still called that, though..

Lo dudes...

I'm kinda lost having been away golfing this morning, then chopping down some trees in the backyard. (strange combo, I know) Wtf is going on? Anyone? Any help appreciated.

You are absolutely correct, Wanderjar, it was General Dynamics that built the Abrahms..Not sure if it's ground division is still called that, though..


OOC: Cool, I was almost certain that was the company he worked for, but wasn't totally sure. He'd been in the Army as a Tanker for most of the 80s, and retired a Staff Sergeant right before the Gulf War. He didn't want to go fight. After he retired he did a number of odd jobs and finally was contracted to design armaments for GD. He quit though when they wanted him to go to Saudi for a year and be an advisor to the Saudis for the weapons though.

Lo dudes...

I'm kinda lost having been away golfing this morning, then chopping down some trees in the backyard. (strange combo, I know) Wtf is going on? Anyone? Any help appreciated.

We're pissed because Pudu's tanks are undestroyable. Not to mention that they aren't MT, which is what this RP is. Basically, he's god modding, and we're asking him to change the weapons to be about the same as Leopards or Abrams. Hell, if he brought in legions of K-1s and Behemoths I'd be cool with it. At least we can fight those. His friggin' tanks aren't!!!

To make a long story short, Craven, the rp has come to a screeching halt due to a debate on whether or not his tanks (Pudu's) count as modern tech or not..
A debate not helped by the fact that the International Mall does not make any distinction between mt and pmt.

And how do these tanks work exactly? What makes them so iffy?

And how do these tanks work exactly? What makes them so iffy?


I'll give you a link to the store, but basically, without going into military detail, they have uber armor, uber guns, uber targeting systems, uber everything!!

I'll give you a link to the store, but basically, without going into military detail, they have uber armor, uber guns, uber targeting systems, uber everything!!
What kind of tanks are these (I don't like them...)

What kind of tanks are these (I don't like them...)


http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=2165

What kind of tanks are these (I don't like them...)

Where've you been bro?

Where've you been bro?
Uh... had a soccer tournament yesterday, no internet access on saturday.

Probably going to lose access later tonight, too...

Air strikes should do the trick, combined with a ground assault. I suggest infantry from multiple angles with armor-piercing AT rockets.

That or we can have Shaz ortillery them... Or myself if I get my ass in gear and design this space navy which I've been putting off.

Air strikes should do the trick, combined with a ground assault. I suggest infantry from multiple angles with armor-piercing AT rockets.

That or we can have Shaz ortillery them... Or myself if I get my ass in gear and design this space navy which I've been putting off.


He's claimed my artillery will have no effect. And the AT rockets? Not gonna happen either.

And it's not as if we are throwing small amounts of artillery at them, either..Just Molot alone has over 190 6 inch guns (152mm) blasting away..Mind you they are mostly shooting at his infantry..Still the kinetic energy of a shell of that size is nothing to laugh at..

Nothing is invulnerable. Especially from a mass bombardment like I'm thinking.

And I'd love to see them stand up to a shell that size... From space. Let alone a massive storm of them. Hence why I suggested orbital bombardment from Shazbotdom.

And please note that that's just the divisional artillery..The mbt's themselves are waiting for a closer range..to make their firepower that much more effective..

Perhaps IGNORE rockets would be effective against the tanks.

They would..But we can always try to make him listen to reason, first..

IGNORE weapons are always supposed to be a last resort in a well-RPed situation...

IGNORE weapons are always supposed to be a last resort in a well-RPed situation...

Oh trust me, I've already written a good one out. I'll send it to you on the GASN forums.

Send it too me too

IGNORE weapons are always supposed to be a last resort in a well-RPed situation...
Indeed..And also not to be used lightly.

Asylumny']Send it too me too

I did.