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Even Metalstorm, as impressive as it is, cannot destroy tens of thousands of missiles. Combined with naval gunfire and submarine-launched torpedoes, especially the larger NS-Designed type, and this carrier would be destroyed.

That's like saying a carrier goes into battle without its battlegroup protecting it. I doubt anyone is going to launch tens of thousands of missiles at it anyways. Naval gunfire...HUH who uses battleships anymore?

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That's like saying a carrier goes into battle without its battlegroup protecting it. I doubt anyone is going to launch tens of thousands of missiles at it anyways. Naval gunfire...HUH who uses battleships anymore?

Do you even RP here?

That's like saying a carrier goes into battle without its battlegroup protecting it. I doubt anyone is going to launch tens of thousands of missiles at it anyways. Naval gunfire...HUH who uses battleships anymore?

Have you perchance missed the entire SuperDreadnought revolution of the past two years in NationStates? People like myself and Questers have dozens of SDs that are extremely powerful; aided by Supercarriers and other such NS designs, they would flatten your ice-carrier.

Metal Storm's nice, but will be taxing on electrical power. Further, fire enough missiles and you'll run out of ammo. Thirdly, a mass gun barrage could probably do damage (especially to the island, which will be fairly prominent and thus possible to hit), and it might be possible to break the ship's keel with torps. Finally, since this is similar in some respects to an island, although one that can move (slowly), treat it as an island - in other words, air strikes to take out your aircraft, followed by long-range missile strikes over a period of time to cause you to run out of ammo/AD mounts, followed by attacks on your radars and commo, followed by an 'invasion,' or just ruin its supply chain, cut it off, and let it starve. It would make for a fun rp...

Sensors are RADAR arrays, communications systems, and satellite signal receivers, which are all needed to run a modern warship. If these are knocked out by guided submunitions, you are effectively blind. Futhermore, metal storm is useless at long range, and my aircraft will be most likely be using stand-off range anti-shipping missile/torpedoes to target your engines.

If if they are unsuccessful in outright destroying your propulsion, the force of the blast may damage it's rudder/thrust vectoring systems, which will rob you of your ability to turn. When your lauded ship is sitting with no way to sense an impending attack or move effectively out of the way, surface warships come in and finish the job with long range railguns to penetrate the thick hull.

If they shoud prove unsuccessful, a few T-12 earthquake bombs will shatter the hull and damage internal systems, preparing it for a tactical nuclear strike by sub-launched nuclear torpedoes which will ultimently finish off the monster.

Of course, I can always just try for long range rail gun shots to damage the flight deck enough so that planes can't take off or land, which will make a carrir pretty damn useless.

Metal Storm's nice, but will be taxing on electrical power. Further, fire enough missiles and you'll run out of ammo. Thirdly, a mass gun barrage could probably do damage (especially to the island, which will be fairly prominent and thus possible to hit), and it might be possible to break the ship's keel with torps. Finally, since this is similar in some respects to an island, although one that can move (slowly), treat it as an island - in other words, air strikes to take out your aircraft, followed by long-range missile strikes over a period of time to cause you to run out of ammo/AD mounts, followed by attacks on your radars and commo, followed by an 'invasion,' or just ruin its supply chain, cut it off, and let it starve. It would make for a fun rp...

Yeah. Wipe out the surrounding support group with SDs and Supercarriers, then either sink the ice-carrier with naval gunfire and airstrikes, or capture it with a few helicopter and hovercraft-carried divisions of infantry.

Why would you want to waste men capturing a useless carrier, I say simply blow it to kingdom come with earthquake bombs.

Sensors are RADAR arrays, communications systems, and satellite signal receivers, which are all needed to run a modern warship. If these are knocked out by guided submunitions, you are effectively blind. Futhermore, metal storm is useless at long range, and my aircraft will be most likely be using stand-off range anti-shipping missile/torpedoes to target your engines.

If if they are unsuccessful in outright destroying your propulsion, the force of the blast may damage it's rudder/thrust vectoring systems, which will rob you of your ability to turn. When your lauded ship is sitting with no way to sense an impending attack or move effectively out of the way, surface warships come in and finish the job with long range railguns to penetrate the thick hull.

If they shoud prove unsuccessful, a few T-12 earthquake bombs will shatter the hull and damage internal systems, preparing it for a tactical nuclear strike by sub-launched nuclear torpedoes which will ultimently finish off the monster.

Of course, I can always just try for long range rail gun shots to damage the flight deck enough so that planes can't take off or land, which will make a carrir pretty damn useless.


Well Metal Storm is a defensive system against missiles and can be upgraded to other means, though a carrier which is sporting hundreds of missiles inside of it shouldn't let anyone get that close to it either. Railguns are pushing a little far though. Though because the way a railgun works...it wouldn't do much damage on a solid object basically.

Do you realize the hull is 300 feet thick and the material is as strong as concrete with 20 inches of armor plating on the outside of the hull also? The ships many systems won't be easily damaged and will be harder then a SD to destroy by conventional weaponry.

Psychological value; plus, it gives you a good hulk for target-practice purposes...

Yeah. Wipe out the surrounding support group with SDs and Supercarriers, then either sink the ice-carrier with naval gunfire and airstrikes, or capture it with a few helicopter and hovercraft-carried divisions of infantry.


Hovercrafts can't touch it. Helicopters would be owned by the Metal Storm defenses and everyone will die.

Also...even in pieces the ship could still float even if you cracked it in two.

Well Metal Storm is a defensive system against missiles and can be upgraded to other means, though a carrier which is sporting hundreds of missiles inside of it shouldn't let anyone get that close to it either. Railguns are pushing a little far though. Though because the way a railgun works...it wouldn't do much damage on a solid object basically.

Do you realize the hull is 300 feet thick and the material is as strong as concrete with 20 inches of armor plating on the outside of the hull also? The ships many systems won't be easily damaged and will be harder then a SD to destroy by conventional weaponry.

Do you realise how stupid 300 feet of ice sounds?

Hovercrafts can't touch it. Helicopters would be owned by the Metal Storm defenses and everyone will die.

Also...even in pieces the ship could still float even if you cracked it in two.

IN PIECES THE SHIP IS FUCKING USELESS!

Your carrier won't be worth shit if you can't use aircraft from it!

Psychological value; plus, it gives you a good hulk for target-practice purposes...

Sure....this thing can go super-nova basically if you toy with it. Since it can carry more nuclear missiles and has the power to wipe out anything around it. (Essentially it'd vaporize everything in the ocean like Tsar Bomba and make a massive tidal wave....you don't F*CK with anything that will explode like that!)

IN PIECES THE SHIP IS FUCKING USELESS!

Your carrier won't be worth shit if you can't use aircraft from it!

Even if you did....it could still launch, even with the flight deck cut in half it would be more then enough to launch fighters and still protect itself. Remember you have to cut through a massive 1200 feet to split the ship in two. I don't think anyone could do that when you have a battlegroup that will protect the ship and are concentrating 1600+ aircraft on sinking you as soon as you get in range.

Do you know anything about...anything?

Nuclear reactors don't explode, they meltdown and spew radiation everywhere.

Hey, error is human.

Even if you did....it could still launch, even with the flight deck cut in half it would be more then enough to launch fighters and still protect itself. Remember you have to cut through a massive 1200 feet to split the ship in two. I don't think anyone could do that when you have a battlegroup that will protect the ship and are concentrating 1600+ aircraft on sinking you as soon as you get in range.


All I have to do is put a few craters in the flight deck, and the carrier is completly compromised.

A suicidal ship isn't exactly out of Asbena's mind. If we promise to not let the thing be captured...that means self-destruction and why not do it and take half the fleet that tried it in the process!?

There is a plus if its in the middle of the ocean or near you nation....MASSIVE tidal waves! The death toll could be in the millions if that happens.

Even if you did....it could still launch, even with the flight deck cut in half it would be more then enough to launch fighters and still protect itself. Remember you have to cut through a massive 1200 feet to split the ship in two. I don't think anyone could do that when you have a battlegroup that will protect the ship and are concentrating 1600+ aircraft on sinking you as soon as you get in range.


All I have to do is put a few craters in the flight deck, and the carrier is completly compromised.

Again...the size, as long as there is a path so it can take off it will. This is no Nimitz. Or hey...what about VTOLs?

Hovercrafts can't touch it. Helicopters would be owned by the Metal Storm defenses and everyone will die.

Also...even in pieces the ship could still float even if you cracked it in two.

Fire suppression and flying at wave level would suffice. Hovercraft could latch on and send troops up via grappels and suction. Even a HAHO jump using A-Racks would be possible.

Well Metal Storm is a defensive system against missiles and can be upgraded to other means, though a carrier which is sporting hundreds of missiles inside of it shouldn't let anyone get that close to it either. Railguns are pushing a little far though. Though because the way a railgun works...it wouldn't do much damage on a solid object basically.

Do you realize the hull is 300 feet thick and the material is as strong as concrete with 20 inches of armor plating on the outside of the hull also? The ships many systems won't be easily damaged and will be harder then a SD to destroy by conventional weaponry.

I'd think a few squadrons of SDs and accompanying Cruisers and Battleships could wreck it given enough time, aided by submarine-launched torpedoes.

Nope. It wouldn't work.

Hovercraft scale a behemoth like that...hope they have 300 feet grappels and hope that the Metal storm defenses are offline.....otherwise they'd be shot to pieces.

The helicopters from the air won't work still. Just cause your firing doesn't mean that you need people to be there for it. Auto-reload and auto-fire on them. This is at the same time missiles are launching out of the ship and attempting to ruin your forces along the other ships. XD

I'd think a few squadrons of SDs and accompanying Cruisers and Battleships could wreck it given enough time, aided by submarine-launched torpedoes.

Torpedos will have almost no effect when it hits the torpedo netting. They'll explode harmlessly and even then if you cut through that......

What about all the AA on these also? Are you thinking this ship will be all alone in the middle of a war?! Even a few squadrons won't wipe it out. (You'll have up to 1600+ aircraft also launching continueous sorties on you as missiles rain down upon you!)

Outfitted for full operations the ship will cost $100+ billion, the ship itself costs barely more then $1 billion. The ship can change at WILL to meet the needs of the nation. Its a pure monster that has never been witnessed before!

Nope. It wouldn't work.

Hovercraft scale a behemoth like that...hope they have 300 feet grappels and hope that the Metal storm defenses are offline.....otherwise they'd be shot to pieces.

The helicopters from the air won't work still. Just cause your firing doesn't mean that you need people to be there for it. Auto-reload and auto-fire on them. This is at the same time missiles are launching out of the ship and attempting to ruin your forces along the other ships. XD

You'd eventually run out of ammunition; Metalstorm sucks up ammunition like nothing else on earth. Long-range bombardment and constant torpedo attacks. Believe me, in the world of NS, your precious carrier is not invincible, or even cost-worthy.

A suicidal ship isn't exactly out of Asbena's mind. If we promise to not let the thing be captured...that means self-destruction and why not do it and take half the fleet that tried it in the process!?

There is a plus if its in the middle of the ocean or near you nation....MASSIVE tidal waves! The death toll could be in the millions if that happens.

Hey, then we'd simply turn Asbena into a sheet of radioactive glass.

You'd eventually run out of ammunition; Metalstorm sucks up ammunition like nothing else on earth. Long-range bombardment and constant torpedo attacks. Believe me, in the world of NS, your precious carrier is not invincible, or even cost-worthy.

Firing a quick burst to knock out missiles is pretty good (Kjata put point defense lasers on it to though I doubt I'll go that far with Asbena...more costs I want to avoid.)

The ability to change is the major point. You'll end up destroyed if you pick on the carrier only. Its a beast, though all the concentration in the middle of a war is going to be distracting it from the other operations. I can launch thousands of planes and hop across the ocean with these. Its ability to store and hold massive amounts of weapons makes it an unparalleled demon of the seas.

Hey, then we'd simply turn Asbena into a sheet of radioactive glass.

Sadly yes, but that's why we don't expect anything to ever happen, unless total war was to be declared.

Firing a quick burst to knock out missiles is pretty good (Kjata put point defense lasers on it to though I doubt I'll go that far with Asbena...more costs I want to avoid.)

The ability to change is the major point. You'll end up destroyed if you pick on the carrier only. Its a beast, though all the concentration in the middle of a war is going to be distracting it from the other operations. I can launch thousands of planes and hop across the ocean with these. Its ability to store and hold massive amounts of weapons makes it an unparalleled demon of the seas.

Well, your top speed of about a kilometre an hour would give any opposing force all the time in the world to destroy it. That's quite a liability

Well, your top speed of about a kilometre an hour would give any opposing force all the time in the world to destroy it. That's quite a liability

Nope. 25 knots would do it. :P

Nope. 25 knots would do it. :P

Are we still talking about the original vessel? Huge thing, made of ice, can 'transform' at wil and carries thousands of aircraft and missiles like a combined aicraft carrier and arsenal ship?

You claim it can move 25 Knots?

Are we still talking about the original vessel? Huge thing, made of ice, can 'transform' at wil and carries thousands of aircraft and missiles like a combined aicraft carrier and arsenal ship?

You claim it can move 25 Knots?

You don't get it do you. *sigh* Why do I even bother, but yes it has plenty of horsepower for it.

You don't get it do you. *sigh* Why do I even bother, but yes it has plenty of horsepower for it.

You're taking that attitude with me? You with the insanely designed ice-carrier that will get its arse whupped should it ever pull out of port, if it isn't ignored by anyone first.

You're taking that attitude with me? You with the insanely designed ice-carrier that will get its arse whupped should it ever pull out of port, if it isn't ignored by anyone first.

Such a reasonable ship can't be ignored. Its possible and stems from the WWII design, that's like ignoring SDs.

No, you're just too stubborn to admit that this "ship" is a big stinking pile of crap.

No, you're just too stubborn to admit that this "ship" is a big stinking pile of crap.

So its not uber...it gets the job done. :P

This would work. It wouldn't be T3h S00p3r 00ber, but it would be tough.

ya this thing is tough.

ya this thing is tough.

Nuclear engines and missiles and planes...its really tough. :)

aslo its nearly unsinkable

In my ft nation there this little shit that has a 5 mil. pop and jumped in and started try to act tough and try to fight my fleet with 10 destoryers, 5 cruiser and 4 unarmed frieghters. I said get, but he wants to "pacify the natives" and i told him that these native re my people and then had 10 battleships,4carriers and 20 destoryers jump in.

Taking the old WWII design? Very smart.

Taking the old WWII design? Very smart.

We've modernized it.

Correct, it is superior to 1944 models!

thats because it has a nuclear reactor and have metal storm and comptuer controled fire systems and cane carry jets.

Not to mention the modern cannons I'll put on this thing.

Why whould u bulid somthing like thisr i rather have steel super carrier

is that carrier 4000 feet long with 40 feet of armor?

and nearly unsinkable?

Why whould u bulid somthing like thisr i rather have steel super carrier

Because Pykrete (ice and sawdust and pulp) is stronger than steel in a mass, and much more buoyant. Oh, and steel doesn't work too well on it's own.

As for your cost estimate, it seems rather low; after all, you're fitting 20" of steel, four reactors, and 80 waterjets on this hulk, which will all add up.

its still a helleva of alot cheaper than if built it outa steel though.

As for your cost estimate, it seems rather low; after all, you're fitting 20" of steel, four reactors, and 80 waterjets on this hulk, which will all add up.

How about 500 billion per ship? Actually, I suggest we make these a LOT smaller.

its still a helleva of alot cheaper than if built it outa steel though.

Yes, but it's TOO BIG.

fine how about reducing the size down to say.... 3000 feet?

fine how about reducing the size down to say.... 3000 feet?

800, at MOST. I am serious here.

How much cheaper thean steel. I am looking for new designg of super carrier

Because Pykrete (ice and sawdust and pulp) is stronger than steel in a mass, and much more buoyant. Oh, and steel doesn't work too well on it's own.

Seconded.

800, at MOST. I am serious here.
you can't be serious. then why not just build a nimitz?

If it's going to be $500 billion, what makes two of these better than three SDs (roughly equivalent in cost), which could carry half as many aircraft that your pair could, but also have massive gun batteries, large AD batteries, and large anti-shipping missile batteries?

In a straight fight, three SDs (with attendant ships) would probably beat two of these (with attendant ships).

How much cheaper thean steel. I am looking for new designg of super carrier

How much cheaper? If steel cost a dollar a ton this would probably be thirty cents a ton.

800 feet is somewhat more reasonable. However, this design isn't really that great. A neat idea, however...

you can't be serious. then why not just build a nimitz?

Because this is tougher. To be blunt, theres a point at which another carrier is better than making this one bigger.

How much cheaper? If steel cost a dollar a ton this would probably be thirty cents a ton.

Actually more like 10 cents a ton if that.

but there are sd's that are 1000 metters

800 feet is somewhat more reasonable. However, this design isn't really that great. A neat idea, however...

Could you advise us on wat we're doing wrong?

still it take alot of damage would it if wasnt made of steel.

but there are sd's that are 1000 metters

Which happen to be the biggest you wil lfind and easy to destroy.

still it take alot of damage would it if wasnt made of steel.

No. A normal shell would most likely bounce off.

but this the biggest ship i plan to make in mt. the rest like thte battleship i tg you are smaller than this.

Still i woundnt deploy this type of carrie in my warmer waters . it will melt

How about the 20-30" shells fired by SDs, propelled at massive muzzle velocities?

Quite simply, you need to look at how this compares to ships of similar costs and sizes. Is this really better than an SD?

Still i woundnt deploy this type of carrie in my warmer waters . it will melt

Not with cooling systems and insulation. Liquid nitrogen, my friend. Liquid nitrogen.

yes it is. does a sd have the power to fight of 750 planes?

How about the 20-30" shells fired by SDs, propelled at massive muzzle velocities?

Quite simply, you need to look at how this compares to ships of similar costs and sizes. Is this really better than an SD?

40 feet thick of reinforced ice... I don't think much is getting throgh that.

yes it is. does a sd have the power to fight of 750 planes?

Not alone, but many SDs carry planes.

so a 19.2 inch shell whould just bonce off still if was armor priceing

so a 19.2 inch shell whould just bonce off still if was armor priceing

Yes, unless it was driven by a long ETC/Coilgun/Railgun and filled with lots of thermite.

SDs tend to carry around 250-300 planes, a massive AD battery, large-bore guns, and massive anti-ship missiles. This carries around 750 planes and a massive AD battery. If one SD (with attendant ships) takes on one of these (with attendant ships), which is more likely to be useful?

However, more importantly, what role could this serve? It can't project force well, due to its slow speed; thus, it has to be used in the patrol role. In that case, what makes it any better than ground-based aviation?

Pythogria - This would probably end up getting attacked by 20-30" ETC guns; they could easily be loaded with thermite...

yes but can they survive let alone defend their ship? agianst that air armada?

SDs tend to carry around 250-300 planes, a massive AD battery, large-bore guns, and massive anti-ship missiles. This carries around 750 planes and a massive AD battery. If one SD (with attendant ships) takes on one of these (with attendant ships), which is more likely to be useful?

However, more importantly, what role could this serve? It can't project force well, due to its slow speed; thus, it has to be used in the patrol role. In that case, what makes it any better than ground-based aviation?

Well... how could we make this go faster?

i have to agree

but the amount of plane can be scaled up by adding VTOL jets that could atleat double the amount of planes onboard.

but the amount of plane can be scaled up by adding VTOL jets that could atleat double the amount of planes onboard.

If not more. My Terrabytes are VTOl, so this works that much better for me.

and its slower thean a standed carrier

ok maybe even quadupled thats 3000 planes a ship!

and its slower thean a standed carrier

Speed for armor. A classic tradeoff.

ok maybe even quadupled thats 3000 planes a ship!

No, not that high. At our present super-long version, 2000 is OK BARELY.

thats why germany won at jutland their battle ships had more armor than the british ships.

No, not that high. At our present super-long version, 2000 is OK BARELY.

sorry just got exitited maybe more like tripled.

ok that be overloading a aircrafe carrier

thats why germany won at jutland their battle ships had more armor than the british ships.

And better guns I believe, but I'm not sure.

and the fact that the british didn't close there blast door so when they got hit, BOOM!

ok that be overloading a aircrafe carrier

2000 planes at 4000 meters long... yes, the guy's right, unless you use my Plane Elevator system. Then we can hold God knows how many.

ya if you factor in interal storage i might not have been that far of.

1010102 - This is a sample SD's armament and aviation:
144 aircraft, 16 helos
15 30"/70 (762 mm) caliber ETC guns
2,400 ordinary VLS
800 large-bore VLS
120 6"/60 caliber DP guns
75 16-cell RAM Point Defence Missiles
75 30mm Goalkeeper CIWS
8 21" (533mm) torpedo tubes in four twin mounts
18 12.75" (324 mm) ASW torpedo tubes in six triple mounts
4 Super-Cavitating underwater anti-torpedo guns
I think it could take on your aircraft pretty effectively, especially since it will be accompanied by cruisers, destroyers, frigates, etc. - all with their own AD batteries.

All who want to put this together - What role can this serve? It's too slow to be part of a blue-water navy. How much better is this than ground-based aviation? For $500 billion, I can buy a large air force to patrol my coasts...

ya if you factor in interal storage i might not have been that far of.

My Plane Elevator basically stacks the planes, so that we could carry TONS.

i was think more a long the lines of 3 large hangar bay that can carry maybey

1000 planes each i mean like streching from 1 end of the ship to the other.

my carries carries at lest some 60 to 80 aircraft. Two fights of Rapter M strike fighters 2 flight of E2C AEW Aircraft and and flight of helicoters

my carries carries at lest some 60 to 80 aircraft. Two fights of Rapter M strike fighters 2 flight of E2C AEW Aircraft and and flight of helicoters

Yours aren't 4km long and using PE.

ya.

But what makes a 10-knot carrier an effective replacement for a 30-knot carrier? Quite simply, this is too slow to be effective...

And yes, you'll say "speed for armor," but what role does this fulfill? How is this better than ground-based air?

But what makes a 10-knot carrier an effective replacement for a 30-knot carrier? Quite simply, this is too slow to be effective...

And yes, you'll say "speed for armor," but what role does this fulfill? How is this better than ground-based air?

This fulfills the role of, "mobile ultra-airbase of doom." But I'm sure we can make this faster, somehow.

But what makes a 10-knot carrier an effective replacement for a 30-knot carrier? Quite simply, this is too slow to be effective...

And yes, you'll say "speed for armor," but what role does this fulfill? How is this better than ground-based air?
I always thought it fullfilled the role of completly badass ice carrier.

I mean, I'm only building one because its cool. Not because its effective.

I always thought it fullfilled the role of completly badass ice carrier.

I mean, I'm only building one because its cool. Not because its effective.

it better not be a direct copy of this one.

look for a new design to replace my old conventionally powered super carriers
witch i got 5 sub class of conventionally power carriers .

Still i woundnt deploy this type of carrie in my warmer waters . it will melt

Nope it wouldn't ^-^

it better not be a direct copy of this one.

It isn't.

Note that the $500 billion price tag probably doesn't include aircraft. What makes this, with a speed of ten knots, better than well-defended airbases or even artificial islands?

there has to be a way to make this thing go faster........ maybe bigass jets in the back!(joking)

it better not be a direct copy of this one.
Umm, it won't.

Didn't we already go through this like, 20 pages ago? I believe you said "COOL!".

sorry forgot about that!

Note that the $500 billion price tag probably doesn't include aircraft. What makes this, with a speed of ten knots, better than well-defended airbases or even artificial islands?

The ship itself is like 1 bil.

it woundn't be a ice carrier

it woundn't be a ice carrier
Its Pykrete.

sorry i rather stay with steel

But what makes a 10-knot carrier an effective replacement for a 30-knot carrier? Quite simply, this is too slow to be effective...

And I'm thinking not well manuverable either. Which is a serious drawback when it comes to naval warfare; a huge, slow, barely manuverable ship is going to be a very easy target.

And I'm thinking not well manuverable either. Which is a serious drawback when it comes to naval warfare; a huge, slow, barely manuverable ship is going to be a very easy target.

That's where the armor comes in.

and the fact that the planes can cover it long enough for it to turn.

sorry i rather stay with steel

Steel is crap.

more like chickenshit.

And I'm thinking not well manuverable either. Which is a serious drawback when it comes to naval warfare; a huge, slow, barely manuverable ship is going to be a very easy target.

Actually you can get 25 knots out of them....which is fine if you have water jets.

That's where the armor comes in.

That armour is going to get chipped away mighty fast in the time it takes that thing to make a course correction.

Face it. You've got a massive, overburdened artificial island that is economically draining not only to build but to maintain, and whose duties can be accomplished far more efficently by a group of SDs.

That armour is going to get chipped away mighty fast in the time it takes that thing to make a course correction.

Face it. You've got a massive, overburdened artificial island that is economically draining not only to build but to maintain, and whose duties can be accomplished far more efficently by a group of SDs.

That's why I proposed a MUCH smaller version...

more like chickenshit.

Steel is really bad...its why they use more then just steel on the ships.

Its basically 300 foot solid hulls of CONCRETE. How can you break it?

That armour is going to get chipped away mighty fast in the time it takes that thing to make a course correction.

Face it. You've got a massive, overburdened artificial island that is economically draining not only to build but to maintain, and whose duties can be accomplished far more efficently by a group of SDs.

SDs = 150 billion a pop
Pykrete Carrier - 1 billion a pop

SD's are the losers here. Pykrete carriers require very little maintaince. Its not overburdened at all.

Steel is really bad...its why they use more then just steel on the ships.

Its basically 300 foot solid hulls of CONCRETE. How can you break it?

Hypersonic missiles. In RL we can already penetrate 150 feet of concrete with the right projectiles traveling "just" 4000 ft/sec (about Mach 3.5).

Hypersonic missiles. In RL we can already penetrate 150 feet of concrete with the right projectiles traveling "just" 4000 ft/sec (about Mach 3.5).

Well, you have 40 FEET of Pykryte to deal with.

Hypersonic missiles. In RL we can already penetrate 150 feet of concrete with the right projectiles traveling "just" 4000 ft/sec (about Mach 3.5).

Ya....now how you going to do this with the missile defenses? :O

that might do some damage. he said 150 feet of concrete and Pykryte is as strong as that.

Well of course it will do DAMAGE, but it won't sink the ship. As for getting it to the ship... we do have missile defense.

that might do some damage. he said 150 feet of concrete and Pykryte is as strong as that.

Too bad its only a small spot to. :P

30 KNOTTS CARRIERS ARE MORE FASTER AND EASER TO DOGE IN COMING MISSLES. Thean ice carriers i think

Ya....now how you going to do this with the missile defenses? :O

Try shooting down a hypersonic missiles, or even trying to track one.

30 KNOTTS CARRIERS ARE MORE FASTER AND EASER TO DOGE IN COMING MISSLES. Thean ice carriers i think

A 30 knt carrier can't dodge missiles either.

30 KNOTTS CARRIERS ARE MORE FASTER AND EASER TO DOGE IN COMING MISSLES. Thean ice carriers i think

25 knots to 30 knots.... >.> I don't see a big difference.

Try shooting down a hypersonic missiles, or even trying to track one.

point lasers and computers, my friend.

ok asy he hits below the water line with one of those. the hull will comrmised and water can get in.

Try shooting down a hypersonic missiles, or even trying to track one.

Don't need to track....just slam a wall of steel out and hope it hits...Though I doubt the missile would be used on it anyways.

ok asy he hits below the water line with one of those. the hull will comrmised and water can get in.

You can plug leaks.

But a hypersonic projectile would VAPORIZe in water. At high speeds, water may as well be bricks.

i guess this thing is unsinkabe to non-nuclear weapons.

Don't need to track....just slam a wall of steel out and hope it hits...Though I doubt the missile would be used on it anyways.

That's stupid as hell, just like most of the things on this ship.

Too bad its only a small spot to. :P

Only if it has a small explosive, or none at all.

i guess this thing is unsinkabe to non-nuclear weapons.

Nothing is unsinkable.

Now I understand this thing has some pretty large elevators for moving aircraft up and down the various levels, am I correct?

That's stupid as hell, just like most of the things on this ship.

Fine point defense laser....only need one of them, but still a wall of steel from Metal Storm defenses will shred that missile to nothing before it gets to do any damage. That's what it is meant for and also to make super accurate powerful strikes!

Nothing is unsinkable.

Now I understand this thing has some pretty large elevators for moving aircraft up and down the various levels, am I correct?

Yes, however they are INSIDE the ship, and a door opens overtop of them to let them launch.

Nothing is unsinkable.

Now I understand this thing has some pretty large elevators for moving aircraft up and down the various levels, am I correct?

yes you are.

Only if it has a small explosive, or none at all.

Pentration doesn't mean it can blow off a massive point, the blast would be redirected outwards.

Nothing is unsinkable.

Now I understand this thing has some pretty large elevators for moving aircraft up and down the various levels, am I correct?

If a piece of steryofoam floats even when water logged....and this thing weighes less then water I say it will always float even in pieces. Even with the steel to pykrete ratio its more pykrete then steel by far. Maybe 95% Pykrete and 5% other materials.

Yes, however they are INSIDE the ship, and a door opens overtop of them to let them launch.

Well your door isn't gonna be 300 ft thick like the rest of the hull.

thats true.

Well your door isn't gonna be 300 ft thick like the rest of the hull.

And why not? Yes, I am serious.

Well your door isn't gonna be 300 ft thick like the rest of the hull.

So correct...That's why its 4 ft of solid armor for the flight deck. :)

And why not? Yes, I am serious.


what? you have to be joking.

what? you have to be joking.

Well, with a motor big enough, it'd work, if it opened like a cabinet, and not an automatic door.

what? you have to be joking.

We don't even have doors on ours....he's being smart though.

well for one thing you would have to have a lot of swing room to get doors like that open.

We don't even have doors on ours....he's being smart though.

With doors on it, we can protect the planes much better.

well for one thing you would have to have a lot of swing room to get doors like that open.

So? We'll put them vertically.

yes but 300 feet of armor on the door.

yes but 300 feet of armor on the door.

Yes, that works.

that would work maybe of the went up then seperated it could work.

With doors on it, we can protect the planes much better.

Oh those kinds of doors....that's why we uses the sliding method....it opens without being weakened. The elevator is still nice and super protected.

that would work maybe of the went up then seperated it could work.

No, it's too vulnerable then. If we just open it like a cabinet facing up, that's much batter.

Oh those kinds of doors....that's why we uses the sliding method....it opens without being weakened. The elevator is still nice and super protected.

So you mean it goes from -- to - -?

More like:

________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
^^^^^ ^^^^
_______ _____

to

_______ -- _________
~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~
~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~
~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~
~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~
~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~
^^^^^ -- ^^^^
_______ --- _____

Edit: Stupid jolt.

So a very small opening? I don't understand.

The whole top shifts over under itself for the opening into the column.
Think of sliding plates.

OK. That works even better.

Wow. 28 pages already!

So correct...That's why its 4 ft of solid armor for the flight deck. :)

So, you're gonna have a flight deck which is 221,858 square meters, that's also got four feet of armor, not to mention the elevator doors which aparently also have 300 feet of armor?

I'm sorry, but that kinda raises the price substantially. This pykrete may well be cheap, but that much heavy armor sure isn't. Now you've basically put the price back in the territory of SDs, in fact, problably alot more, just from the armor.

Nice part this means that you can slide it to open up and then replace it so damage is minimal. Though to do this for the whole deck is insane. I DO however use it for Asbena's nasty blimps.

Unless you cut the blimp in two it will repair itself near endlessly.

Well, now to finish everything. I can't wait to build other ships out of this!

ok then sliding plates work just fine(i know holy crap 28 pages!)

You may have just set up a revolution in NS ship design, 1010102. The "Iceberg Revolution"!

I know what you mean....But its 11 to me.
We should at least make it known we use these. :)

holy crap i could be famous!

holy crap i could be famous!

Well, or you could be the orchestrator of a small fad.

just look at the number of views i think they know we use these by now.

holy crap i could be famous!

I doubt it. Since I am the original person who made these.....and it didn't go over well last year. XD

So, you're gonna have a flight deck which is 221,858 square meters, that's also got four feet of armor, not to mention the elevator doors which aparently also have 300 feet of armor?

I'm sorry, but that kinda raises the price substantially. This pykrete may well be cheap, but that much heavy armor sure isn't. Now you've basically put the price back in the territory of SDs, in fact, problably alot more, just from the armor.

Anybody?

just look at the number of views i think they know we use these by now.

Bet most of them are just us...refreshing and looking!

Anybody?

Actually, it's still going to be a good bit cheaper.

Anybody?

Its mostly Pykrete armor, so its still cheap because it is what it is made out of. Why would it be 100x more expensive?

Anybody?

I'm going to go out on a limb and sink one just to prove the point.

I'm going to go out on a limb and sink one just to prove the point.

Good luck without nuclear warheads.

first there won't be 300 feet on the evevator doors it will be more like 20-40 feet.

first there won't be 300 feet on the evevator doors it will be more like 20-40 feet.

That works.

Oh, new thing:

Why don't we slope the armor in most places?

I'm going to go out on a limb and sink one just to prove the point.

Unless nukes...it will laugh.

ok even better slopping armor help the t-34 stand up to the tiger 2 in ww2.

How is this thing going to ever make 25 knots? Ten, with the original design, was reasonable; 25, with even 40' of armor? That's over 12 meters of armor you're fitting on this thing...

ok even better slopping armor help the t-34 stand up to the tiger 2 in ww2.

Yes, that was a critical part. The Soviets did one good thing!

But this is going to be one wierd ship.

first there won't be 300 feet on the evevator doors it will be more like 20-40 feet.

Mine is as thick as the top plates from the ceiling so 300 feet, but it slides to open it up and the top of the elevator is just the standard 4 foot armor deck.

it will be 20-40 feet max!

How is this thing going to ever make 25 knots? Ten, with the original design, was reasonable; 25, with 300' of armor? That's over 90 meters of armor you're fitting on this thing...

How about 15 knots?

And what about other propulsion systems?

Yes, that was a critical part. The Soviets did one good thing!

But this is going to be one wierd ship.

Not really....new to see though.

like i said before maybe bigass jets mounted in the back(last time i was joking)

That's still a lot of steel; combined with the fact that the ship is so big, I doubt this will ever be cost-effective.

Fifteen knots...maybe. Even so, you now have to compare it to artificial islands rather than actual ships, given the slow speed.

it will be 20-40 feet max!

Your shielding might be higher then mine....But I want to protect my ships side elevator as much as possible, the ones in the center of the deck only have 30 feet and then its a layered cargo hold.

ever heard of the north pole? there is no land up there at that floats and last time i check its a lot bigger than 4 km.
The thing is that there is a whole lot more of the ice below the surface than above it...

That's still a lot of steel; combined with the fact that the ship is so big, I doubt this will ever be cost-effective.

Its less then 10% the steel in a Nimitz. >.>

like i said before maybe bigass jets mounted in the back(last time i was joking)

Yes. that works.

the jets might work if there are surrounded by insaltaion and ipes with liquid nitrogen in in them.

The thing is that there is a whole lot more of the ice below the surface than above it...

70% of the mass is below the surface. The inside is hollowed out a lot, so it will float.

What role is there for a fifteen-knot behemoth? It can't replace carriers due to its slow speed, while it can't replace ground-based aircraft due to its tremendous cost.

Unless nukes...it will laugh.

I'm laughing at your obvious lack of knowledge of shipwrighting. Regardless, I'll blow it to kingdom come without nuclear weapons, I assure you.

Its mostly Pykrete armor, so its still cheap because it is what it is made out of. Why would it be 100x more expensive?

So then what is the total thickness of the flight deck then?

What role is there for a fifteen-knot behemoth? It can't replace carriers due to its slow speed, while it can't replace ground-based aircraft due to its tremendous cost.

You're going to get a ground airbase to the enemy's island? Good luck.

I'm laughing at your obvious lack of knowledge of shipwrighting. Regardless, I'll blow it to kingdom come without nuclear weapons, I assure you.

How?

the jets might work if there are surrounded by insaltaion and ipes with liquid nitrogen in in them.

Since the flight deck is 4ft on ours (with the armored top) the thrust won't heat the Pykrete and turn it into a skating rink. Not all four feet is solid plating...little overkill, you need the insulators and then the 20 inches or so of armor + wiring.

Pythogria - I can't get a ground airbase to the enemy's island, but you can't get this hulk there in time for it to be useful. Fifteen knots is equal to 360 nm/day. Further, ground-based aircraft was used as a comparison for a brown-water navy.

i meant as an arlternate propulsion system.

I'm laughing at your obvious lack of knowledge of shipwrighting. Regardless, I'll blow it to kingdom come without nuclear weapons, I assure you.

It will be funny....better people have tried. :)

Pythogria - I can't get a ground airbase to the enemy's island, but you can't get this hulk there in time for it to be useful. Fifteen knots is equal to 360 nm/day.

Well, still, could you make this faster?

by putting big ass jets in the back of the ship's hull! just surround the jests wit insaltion and coolant systems and it will be fine.

Pythogria - I can't get a ground airbase to the enemy's island, but you can't get this hulk there in time for it to be useful. Fifteen knots is equal to 360 nm/day. Further, ground-based aircraft was used as a comparison for a brown-water navy.

Its 25 knots. Little faster....still slow, but it will do it.

by putting big ass jets in the back of the ship's hull! just surround the jests wit insaltion and coolant systems and it will be fine.

So 35 knots now. Eight jets?

by putting big ass jets in the back of the ship's hull! just surround the jests wit insaltion and coolant systems and it will be fine.

Haha, then we'll just hit them with IR missiles. Honestly, you people think by just piling armor onto a big ice cube makes it invunerable.

yes that works! its up to the speed of an SD!

by putting big ass jets in the back of the ship's hull! just surround the jests wit insaltion and coolant systems and it will be fine.

Jets don't work, using eight nuclear reactors to drive upto 700,000 HP WILL.

Haha, then we'll just hit them with IR missiles. Honestly, you people think by just piling armor onto a big ice cube makes it invunerable.

We also happen to have encased the jets in armor...

ok 8 reactor it is then.

ok 8 reactor it is then.

12, I say.

Haha, then we'll just hit them with IR missiles. Honestly, you people think by just piling armor onto a big ice cube makes it invunerable.

We won't have jets....its stupid and would waste fuel...

So, how much will this cost again? And how does that compare to SDs?

So then how do the jets produce thrust if they're encased in armor?

ok 8 reactor it is then.

Just remember they are $20 Million and last 30 years each. So $160 million for engines to power and run it.

this is now secret R&D thread so go away


the ice berg carier is made of pykrete which is made up of ice mixed with woodchips,and saw dust. this ship is truely massive so it can not go in most ports.

Habbakuk-not for sale
class iceberg carrier
hull
4,000 feet long
600 feet wide
power
Four Nuclear Batteries driving 80 waterjets
top speed
10 kts
armerments
75 dual-barrelled 4.5" DP guns
250 quad 40 mm(computer controled)
750 quad .50 cal (computer controled)
100 sam launchers
750 planes
armor
40 feet of pykrete(very bounant so wight is not a problem)
20 inches of steel directly attached to the inner frame of the ship
equipment
refirgeration equipment
radar
sonar
fire control computer

Is this MT?
beacuse if it is, you have some that is about 1.2 km long, 180 m tall, and it only has 750 fighters. Plus 100 Sam launchers, compared to the number of planes, is excessive

So then how do the jets produce thrust if they're encased in armor?

All but the end that is putting out thrust. And you won't be getting through that.

stupid naysayers... all ways saying nay.

Is this MT?
beacuse if it is, you have some that is about 1.2 km long, 180 m tall, and it only has 750 fighters. Plus 100 Sam launchers, compared to the number of planes, is excessive

This is PMT, and those stats are being revised.

This is PMT, and those stats are being revised.
good

Is this MT?
beacuse if it is, you have some that is about 1.2 km long, 180 m tall, and it only has 750 fighters. Plus 100 Sam launchers, compared to the number of planes, is excessive

It will change...it is already. Ours is 6000 feet long and that was built last year.

it is?

What's funny is that Pykrete goes really well with many technologies that enable us to spit out thousands of small ships to and cool them with extra voltage generated from the engine.

How much does this ship weigh? I don't see how you'll get 25 knots, much less 35, with even 12 reactors...

How much does this ship weigh? I don't see how you'll get 25 knots, much less 35, with even 12 reactors...

Mine was 18.4 million tons.

This is getting retarded.

How much does this ship weigh? I don't see how you'll get 25 knots, much less 35, with even 12 reactors...

With eight big jets perhaps?

This is getting retarded.

No your getting retarded.

This is getting retarded.

How so? We're exploring a new technology. I agree this is a bit large, and most likely impractical if you really think about it, but smaller versions would work well. Besides, if you think noprmal ships are better, don't use our kind.

All but the end that is putting out thrust. And you won't be getting through that.

So, then the exhaust nozzle is unarmored. Last time I checked, infrared missiles are made to target the exhaust nozzle, so if it's unarmored here, then the armor elsewhere doesn't do any good because the engines will be destroyed anyways.

No your getting retarded.
excellent comeback

No your getting retarded.

Hey, no flaming here.

So, then the exhaust nozzle is unarmored. Last time I checked, infrared missiles are made to target the exhaust nozzle, so if it's unarmored here, then the armor elsewhere doesn't do any good because the engines will be destroyed anyways.

You're going to go through al lthe thrust we are putting out? Also, I suggest we have an underwater Metal Storm.

1010102 you should follow my lead on it, jets are stupid. Use water jets and draw the water into the cooling system like I do. It reduces strain in artic waters and flow it out in bursts like a jetski does. A very powerful system will make this thing go extremely fast for its size.

1010102 you should follow my lead on it, jets are stupid. Use water jets and draw the water into the cooling system like I do. It reduces strain in artic waters and flow it out in bursts like a jetski does. A very powerful system will make this thing go extremely fast for its size.

Use it then!

Jets? Well, I don't suppose this can be stealthy...
And you said this was PMT? It's going to be bombarded by literally thousands of satellite-launched rods; at the velocities they'll travel, you won't be able to get every one, even with lasers. Besides, won't lasers heat up the surrounding hull structure badly? Further, you'll need to watch out for mass torpedo barrages, mass hypersonic missile barrages, etc.

Oh, and underwater Metal Storm? You do know that bullets don't fire well underwater, right?

So, then the exhaust nozzle is unarmored. Last time I checked, infrared missiles are made to target the exhaust nozzle, so if it's unarmored here, then the armor elsewhere doesn't do any good because the engines will be destroyed anyways.

We won't let him do that. Its pathetic.
Our water jets will be under the water built INTO the ship so you can't slam a torpedo up it either.

Underwater MS systems....yep we have them and put them on the sides to. How else can we stop those pesky subs?

You're going to go through al lthe thrust we are putting out? Also, I suggest we have an underwater Metal Storm.
Its possible, he could've high speed torpedos

dont boter with whatever a Metal Strom is, just put armor on the engiens

1010102 you should follow my lead on it, jets are stupid. Use water jets and draw the water into the cooling system like I do. It reduces strain in artic waters and flow it out in bursts like a jetski does. A very powerful system will make this thing go extremely fast for its size.


i guess your right. ok jets are stupid



Franberry
Originally Posted by 1010102
No your getting retarded.

excellent comeback

is that sarcastic.