NationStates Jolt Archive

All right, this is the OOC Signup thread for a 1872 RP. You pick a country and play it either historically or you can deviate some, but try to keep it reasonable. Note this takes place after the Franco Prussian War and everything that happen before 1872 has happen according to the books...meaning no freakin CSA winning the Civil War...its been overdone so many times..its not funny..


Time.
Our Time scale is one week equal one year. But during wars depending on the size of the war, it will be slow down a bit.

Current Year: 1877

War.
War is conducted by one of the war moderators, whenever you enter into a conflict you send orders and troop sizes and general objectives to the War mod and he'll RP out the battle.


Naval Technology Discussion Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476913)


Military Discussion Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10880401#post10880401)


Economics
You do your own Economics in the Economics thread(to be linked) and then the Econ Moderators will decide if its good, if it isn't they'll tell you to fix it. You more or less have a free hand in this.


Economics Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476483)

Please do research on your country, any violations of Realism and Historical Accuricy will be handled by Ottoman Khaif or Lachenburg and then corrected. If you become such a problem that you must go, the moderators will try to get together and vote on whether or not you stay. Since there is nine moderators at the moment it will take a vote of 6(2/3rds) to boot someone from the game.


NPC's
NPC's will handled by a player not directly involved with the roleplaying or a moderator, as the situation dictates.

Due to the difficulty of managing small nations or large complex nations, some nations are going to be placed on permanent or semi-permanent NPC status.

The list of these nations will likely be modified as the RP goes along.

Included in this list thus far are:

Central America
Carribean Islands
Any non-dominion colony
China
Abyssinia
Afghanistan
Egypt
Korea
Also native tribes such as the Zulu, and etc are NPC from now on.

A more indepth list will be posted later.

(N.B. Reguarding China. This nation is far to large and complex, especially being ripped apart by Imperialist nation and do its complex nature and backgound. Thus it will not be available until at least 1920.)

So far these are the players we have



GREAT BRITAIN-Of the Council of Clan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476544)

German Empire-Kilani (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476742)

Empire of Japan-Rodenka (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10763608&posted=1#post10763608)

Kingdom of Spain-Philanchez (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10736328&posted=1#post10736328)

United States of America-Manarth (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476401)

France-Madnestan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10740781&posted=1#post10740781)

Italy-Safehaven 2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10747135&posted=1#post10747135)

Romania-Eska Aria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476952)

Transvaal-Malkyer (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10717071#post10717071)

Greece-Lachenburg (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10810358#post10810358)

Saim-Waldenburg 2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11015027#post11015027)

Austrian Empire-Kordo (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10727050#post10727050)

The Netherlands-Parthini (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10742962&posted=1#post10742962)

Mexico-Abbassia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477495)

Brazilian Empire -Middle Snu (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477781)

Orange Free State- Haneastic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10996107#post10996107)

Belgium- Ebedron (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11039583#post11039583)

Sweden-United Earthlings (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484503)

Moderators
Overall Moderator-Ottoman Khaif
Economics Moderator-Manarth
Ground Warfare and Tactics-Lachenburg
Naval Warfare and Tactics-Manarth
Realism and Historical Figures- Ottoman Khaif
Vice Realism and Historical Figures-Lachenburg
Administration Moderator-Ottoman Khaif
Deputy War Moderator(Land Wars)-Madnestan

Chatzy

Normal Chazty
http://www.chatzy.com/451609035135

Mod Chazty
http://www.chatzy.com/323610935985

Tag.

MHM, sounds interesting, I might sign up, if it is possible to make reservations, reserve Argentina

never mind, missed the claim on Spain already

bump

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U.S. Grant is going to have to build some ironclad moniters and crush the south benieth his iron boot! Hurray!

Just kidding everyone.

Kelso i swear to god if you do that i'm going to smack the shit out of you.



oh yeah. hey wassup.

Franberry your confirmed as Argentina.

bump and Manarth.if you do a what if civil war thing...your going down...to chinatown...

Now Ottomans, you should know there's more to life than winning and losing... sometimes the most important thing is HOW you lose. There will never be a CSA, but there COULD be a very, very strong Southern resistance / seperatist movement that doesn't die with time. As a Floridian, I can attest that even to this day there are people that firmly believe that the South will rise again (and admitedly are playing a few cards short of a full deck). A US that is forced to maintain a strong military to hold down continual rebellions in the south could be a very interesting nation to play... very interesting indeed.

Edit: Besides, how else am I going to prevent the US from going all Galveston Bay on the world, and crushing everyone with my unstoppable politcal might and laughing as people have to fight insurections, secure in the fact that no one will ever protest anything in my country ever. Got to give myself a bit of a challenge.

Now Ottomans, you should know there's more to life than winning and losing... sometimes the most important thing is HOW you lose. There will never be a CSA, but there COULD be a very, very strong Southern resistance / seperatist movement that doesn't die with time. As a Floridian, I can attest that even to this day there are people that firmly believe that the South will rise again (and admitedly are playing a few cards short of a full deck). A US that is forced to maintain a strong military to hold down continual rebellions in the south could be a very interesting nation to play... very interesting indeed.

Edit: Besides, how else am I going to prevent the US from going all Galveston Bay on the world, and crushing everyone with my unstoppable politcal might and laughing as people have to fight insurections, secure in the fact that no one will ever protest anything in my country ever. Got to give myself a bit of a challenge.
Its just, the CSA plot has been done so many times its now overkilled..that's what I mean...anyways..bump for more players before we can start....come on people there still is number of nations up for grabs.

Id like to take a shot as Persia if its still open.

Id like to take a shot as Persia if its still open.
Granted

Besides, how else am I going to prevent the US from going all Galveston Bay on the world, and crushing everyone with my unstoppable politcal might and laughing as people have to fight insurections, secure in the fact that no one will ever protest anything in my country ever. Got to give myself a bit of a challenge.

Ouch. A bit vindictive, are we?

If possible, I'll join up and take the South African Republic (Transvaal). Die stem van Suid Afrika, nie?

Ouch. A bit vindictive, are we?

If possible, I'll join up and take the South African Republic (Transvaal). Die stem van Suid Afrika, nie?
Very well...you can be the Dutch...I mean the Boers.....bah..

I'll take China if you don't mind

Ouch. A bit vindictive, are we?[/I]

Your bold, not mine. I felt it was more of a jovial poking of fun at a former rival, who happened to "twink" the USA a little more than necessary.

Your bold, not mine. I felt it was more of a jovial poking of fun at a former rival, who happened to "twink" the USA a little more than necessary.

No harm intended, my friend.

USA Thread -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476401

could i join as the Egypt??

Finally!

I'll take China if you don't mind
Grant and to everyone please set up your main theads for your nations.

so i got egypt??

I have a question before I post a thread. On the front page it says I'm the "South African Boer Republics." However, I only signed up for Transvaal. Which am I? I'll play all three (the South African Republic, Orange Free State, and the Natalia Republic) if you guys want me to, but I need some clarification before I post anything.

so i got egypt??
Nope, If I Havn't post the following " your confirm to play as Egypt." , Then take it as a no...come back when you have more rping backgound, sorry its my rule not to give nations away to people under 140 posts. Thank you, come again.

I have a question before I post a thread. On the front page it says I'm the "South African Boer Republics." However, I only signed up for Transvaal. Which am I? I'll play all three (the South African Republic, Orange Free State, and the Natalia Republic) if you guys want me to, but I need some clarification before I post anything.
Doh. its my mistake...alrighty then....I'll change it to Transvall unless you want to rp all the Boer Republics

Doh. its my mistake...alrighty then....I'll change it to Transvall unless you want to rp all the Boer Republics

Transvaal is fine.

Ottoman Kaif, the map you provied in your Russia thread, is wrong (Its a 1913 map)
If you could not find another map, then alright, I just wanted to make it clear

Ottoman Kaif, the map you provied in your Russia thread, is wrong (Its a 1913 map)
If you could not find another map, then alright, I just wanted to make it clear
Aye, I know the other maps I try to look for were for 1860 and below..only 1913 was the closest I found..besides by 1872...Russian Empire petty much looked like that expect for Turkistan which was competely add by 1873.

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/populhome.html

A very good site to look for population statistics, as it does go back considerably into the past. Simply cick your nations continent, then your countries name, then scroll to the bottom of the page where it says, "To the page containing the population growth statistics of the country" Click that, and you have a near complete-complete history of your population breakdown.

You will most likely be suprised at how low the numbers are, but rest assured, they are quite accurate. However, it is understandable to add a couple hundred thousand to less industrialized/ 'civilized' nations, for records would not be as complete. I recomend we all use this, so as to have some sort of common factor in how the RP unfolds. Hey, im living with Persia, 5,000,000 total, a number I thought was too low... but hey, it knows a helluvalot more than I do.

tag

I guess I'll take on the role of Canada, if I may.

I guess I'll take on the role of Canada, if I may.
Granted, welcome to the rp!

I guess I'll take on the role of Canada, if I may.

Hello... neighbor. I think you're still technically a Dominion of Britain though, so talk with Clans about it.

Taggage.

Just an FYI, myself and Rodenka are going to be out of town for about a week starting tomorrow. If I can get to a computer I'll post.

Economics Thread -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476483

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10715564#post10715564


British News Thread

Aren;t you missing Prussia?

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/populhome.html

A very good site to look for population statistics, as it does go back considerably into the past. Simply cick your nations continent, then your countries name, then scroll to the bottom of the page where it says, "To the page containing the population growth statistics of the country" Click that, and you have a near complete-complete history of your population breakdown.

You will most likely be suprised at how low the numbers are, but rest assured, they are quite accurate. However, it is understandable to add a couple hundred thousand to less industrialized/ 'civilized' nations, for records would not be as complete. I recomend we all use this, so as to have some sort of common factor in how the RP unfolds. Hey, im living with Persia, 5,000,000 total, a number I thought was too low... but hey, it knows a helluvalot more than I do.

Im noticing alot of you have some pretty high populations... and wondering where you're getting your stats from. The site I provided is pretty damn accurate... if we're making up our populations, please tell me, id really rather have a population of 125 Million... but I thought we were basing numbers off of history.

Great Britain - 1871 - 26,072,000 (This includes only Great Britain, as the colonies were never taken in direct census'. Ireland, Africa, Canada, Australia, India etc. are not included, as they were not regular citizens.)
Russia - 1897 - 67,473,000 It would be a bit lower, as this was over twenty years later than when the RP takes place.
France - 1872 - 37,653,000
Ottoman Empire - 8,802,000 - 1870 - 9,256,000 - 1875 - Again, this only takes into consideration mainland Turkey. To get the rest of the Empire, you'd have to go to the specific nations and add their populations.
Italy - 1872 - 26,880,000

Trust me... if we all use this, it'll work alot better than if we all decide to make up our populations.

Transvaal Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10717071#post10717071

Aren;t you missing Prussia?


German Unification, 1871


Start of RP 1872.

Hello... neighbor. I think you're still technically a Dominion of Britain though, so talk with Clans about it.

Yes, but Canada has been an independent nation since 1867. So it really shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Canadian News & Events Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10718064#post10718064)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476444 Russian News thread

when will the RP start?

when will the RP start?
Well its starts now...well not yet...we are still waiting for everyone to post their news threads first, before we get this show started.

Well its starts now...well not yet...we are still waiting for everyone to post their news threads first, before we get this show started.
ook then

Yes, but Canada has been an independent nation since 1867. So it really shouldn't be that much of a problem.


Canada didn't really become fully independant till 1926.


Till then your still a dominion, and I kinda call the shots.

Canada didn't really become fully independant till 1926.


Till then your still a dominion, and I kinda call the shots.
In foreign policy, in 1867 they aquired a bit of automy for interior matters, but the UK could make Canada do anything

Can I have the Ottoman Empire?

Can I have the Ottoman Empire?
Noone took it yet?:eek:

Can I have the Ottoman Empire?
We are glad to have you on board the rp...hey I have my archrivals of the Ottomans to play with WOOT!

I declare war on Canada... Britain has declared that they will not support it's new uppity government. This can only end in tears. Haha.






Just kidding.

I declare war on Canada... Britain has declared that they will not support it's new uppity government. This can only end in tears. Haha.






Just kidding.
Why does this remind me of the South Park Movie..

Alright then, are you missing Germany?

Alright then, are you missing Germany?

Kilani-German Empire

Yes, we have a Germany. You interested in France, maybe?

My factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10721363#post10721363

Nope, If I Havn't post the following " your confirm to play as Egypt." , Then take it as a no...come back when you have more rping backgound, sorry its my rule not to give nations away to people under 140 posts. Thank you, come again.

aight thats cool but you should ask people in E20 like Maylker. I think that they will back me up . Im new but im not bad.

aight thats cool but you should ask people in E20 like Maylker. I think that they will back me up . Im new but im not bad.

Amongst these mods, saying your from E20 actually hurts your case and doesn't help it.


I'm backing up Ottoman and my ruling is final.

tag

If I could enter, I would be happy to take Denmark.

It just occured to me that the French are still open! :eek:

I would really like to change the 2nd Sick Man of Europe for the Allmighty France Of D00M, if you guys consider that possible. Pwetty pwease?

It just occured to me that the French are still open! :eek:

I would really like to change the 2nd Sick Man of Europe for the Allmighty France Of D00M, if you guys consider that possible. Pwetty pwease?
Very well....enjoy being the Le Forgs...

If I could enter, I would be happy to take Denmark.
Very well, Denmark is yours.

Bump, come on people the Austrian Empire is up for grabs, so is....a bunch of South America nations and we can't just forget...Mexico...

I'll take Austria-Hungary if thats alright.

I'll take Austria-Hungary if thats alright.
Granted.

We should have enough to get things moving. Everyone post your main news threads, and we'll get this RP underway. If no one objects, I say anyone that posts their news can start.

The current 3-year-block is 1872-1874. Try to keep things in chronological order.

I'll leave it to some other mod to say when and how the 3-year-block moves.

Realism and Historical Figures- Vas Pokhoronim

Is this true? Is Vas really back amoungst us?

We should have enough to get things moving. Everyone post your main news threads, and we'll get this RP underway. If no one objects, I say anyone that posts their news can start.

Sounds good to me.

And by the way, Ottoman, if you wouldn't mind, could you please place the links to the News Threads on the opening post. It would make finding/accessing them far more simple. Thanks.

Danish Thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476831

Is this true? Is Vas really back amoungst us?
Aye it is true...bow before the God Emperor lad.. and Lachenburg I shall do it now.

We should have enough to get things moving. Everyone post your main news threads, and we'll get this RP underway. If no one objects, I say anyone that posts their news can start.

The current 3-year-block is 1872-1874. Try to keep things in chronological order.

I'll leave it to some other mod to say when and how the 3-year-block moves.


Actually i was thinking, now that the Telegraph is out and so are railroads and etc. That we're going to use a system more like the old E20's

1 week=1 year

I dont think I ever posted by thread here.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476433

Actually i was thinking, now that the Telegraph is out and so are railroads and etc. That we're going to use a system more like the old E20's

1 week=1 year
I second this idea for one week equals one year, expect during war when time slows down a bit.

Alright guys if you havn't notice yet, I have add two chazty which is basically chat rooms, one for the mods and another for everyone..note...if you want to flame someone over some action in this rp, DO IT in Chazty then to the forums...I don't want the NS mods coming down on us..

another bump and comment for the public...come on people..we still need players for the lowland counties like Holland and Belgium...they very fun nations to play as..just look at Holland...land of wooden shoes and present day...land of smoking weed...come on chaps, join this jolly old rp!

Well another historical Rp i guess If you'd let me take Holland, or If that's to large for me then possibly Switzerland. Of course Switzerland might be part of the German confederation at this time but I don't think it is.

Well another historical Rp i guess If you'd let me take Holland, or If that's to large for me then possibly Switzerland. Of course Switzerland might be part of the German confederation at this time but I don't think it is.

It never was part of the Confederation and as of 1871, the German Confederation ceased to exsist with the rise of a united German Reich.

As for Holland. Go ahead. I don't think anyone's claimed it yet.

yarg the crazy macedonian can finally type on the keyboard legally....too bad we lost the war vas :( damn you GB!

Well another historical Rp i guess If you'd let me take Holland, or If that's to large for me then possibly Switzerland. Of course Switzerland might be part of the German confederation at this time but I don't think it is.


Sorry, Application is denied.


I looked up some of your RP's and was less than impressed, plus like Ottoman Said a high post count is a plus in joining this RP, as we want people that actually, POST.

yarg the crazy macedonian can finally type on the keyboard legally....too bad we lost the war vas :( damn you GB!


wow, lots of old faces popping up in this RP.


It'll be AWESOME.

yarg the crazy macedonian can finally type on the keyboard legally....too bad we lost the war vas :( damn you GB!
Finally you can post...about damn time ...

Sorry for not noticing it was up earlier. Ill post ASAP.

Naval Technology Discussion Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476913

Nah that's alright, I don't think I want France. Thanks anyways.

What interesting nations are open?

Nevermind.

If at all possible, I'd like to take the role as Portugal.

I will be at school and it will be a Monday so I may not have much up untill Teusday night or Wednsday night.

Hope you guys don't mind, also hope my background...eh...qualifies me?

Durka Durka Domintor Rebellion

go here for candy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476952)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477005

bam!

Nevermind.

If at all possible, I'd like to take the role as Portugal.

I will be at school and it will be a Monday so I may not have much up untill Teusday night or Wednsday night.

Hope you guys don't mind, also hope my background...eh...qualifies me?
Granted, welcome to the rp!

Ok guys the time system for this rp is here by offically change, its going be from now on...one week equals one year. And we start the game on Jan/Feb 1872 on this Saturday.

This Saturday as three days ago or as in the Saturday coming up. If the latter, what date have we been RPing in up until now?

Another little thing... I realise the majority of the RP'ers have not been innactive, however, for the major powers it is quite important to have a high level of involvement. From past expiriences, if you dont have a Britain, Germany, or France posting constantly, the RP stagnates. Its possible they are not aware we have started, but even moderate posting does not usually suffice for major powers. Then again, what do I know... just my two cents.

EDIT: Just occured to me we dont even have a France, so this is largely irrelevant until people stop posting.

This Saturday which is coming up in four days and as for the major powers..they will be active soon...they just waiting for the rp to start..if they are not active...we'll replacements for them.

So whats the date now? Late 1871?

This Saturday as three days ago or as in the Saturday coming up. If the latter, what date have we been RPing in up until now?

Another little thing... I realise the majority of the RP'ers have not been innactive, however, for the major powers it is quite important to have a high level of involvement. From past expiriences, if you dont have a Britain, Germany, or France posting constantly, the RP stagnates. Its possible they are not aware we have started, but even moderate posting does not usually suffice for major powers. Then again, what do I know... just my two cents.

EDIT: Just occured to me we dont even have a France, so this is largely irrelevant until people stop posting.

well britain will be posting, i'll tell you that. I'm on 30 days of Terminal Leave after a deployment, so i'm getting paid to do nothing, nothing at all. So i have nothing but time on my hands.

So whats the date now? Late 1871?
Its 1872..time is pause intill Sat..to allow the other players to get their theards set up, sorry for the confusion and do we have a France...hopefully he'll get around posting....or I am going to get mad...you don't want to see me get mad..

So whats the date now? Late 1871?
there is no date since the RP hasn't started yet.

Alrighte then, I was just a bit confused about the starting date. I thought we had stated, thus why I started RPing. Ill go sit down and plot by invasion of Antartica until Saturday then.

Alrighte then, I was just a bit confused about the starting date. I thought we had stated, thus why I started RPing. Ill go sit down and plot by invasion of Antartica until Saturday then.
Aye Antartica is a wonderful place to invade..land of the alot of Ice and maybe some UFOs..you never know..

Ahem... the Netherlands please :)

Niederland Uber Alles!

Parthini']Ahem... the Netherlands please :)

Niederland Uber Alles!
Welcome back...you dam old SOB....

You don't have to tell us to RP consistantly... Even if I'm only playing with myself, I'm going to have some fun.

Yeah, I hear many people have some fun playing with themselves...

MY crappy lil' news thread;
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477102

Yeah, I hear many people have some fun playing with themselves...
and we shall never do into detail on the matter of playing with ourselves...

Alrighte then, I was just a bit confused about the starting date. I thought we had stated, thus why I started RPing. Ill go sit down and plot by invasion of Antartica until Saturday then.
What?!?! Others have the same plans as me?

What?!?! Others have the same plans as me?
you people and Antartica...what's so good about it...besides its land of ice and the thing might be down there...

Vast Frozen Oil Reserves frozen under thousands of feet of solid ice and tundra, virtually innaccesable even to the modern world. Not to mention that there is no real demand for oil in the 19th Century world, and merely making it to Antartice is practically immpossible. But think of the oil... oil... *drools*

Vast Frozen Oil Reserves frozen under thousands of feet of solid ice and tundra, virtually innaccesable even to the modern world. Not to mention that there is no real demand for oil in the 19th Century world, and merely making it to Antartice is practically immpossible. But think of the oil... oil... *drools*
Aye, see my point...oil hasn't reach the demand level for us to go to Antartica and around this time...it would be a big waste of money to try to maintain a colony on it..

But that is exactly why now is the time to take Antartica, no competition. Stop being so selfish and think of the future generations. Of course us Ottomans already have half the world's oil, so, Yipee!

TO the players that havn't set up their news theads...please set up if you don't within a set amount of time ,about a week..we'll open up your nations for others to take since you havn't taken active role in rp and are taking up space.

Do you still have room for one more humble player?

I was wondering if I could RP a colonial government, if not can I be Belgium?

I will take Sweden which owns Norway because they are a union during this time.

I will take Sweden which owns Norway because they are a union during this time.


your one persistent motherfucker i'll give you that.



But, you really don't need me to post to know the answer of your question.


goodbye.

I want to be the Martians from HG Welles

who are smart enough to bring antibiotics



just kidding of course

Seriously, Good luck with the RP

Oh noes! Das Uber Amerikans have arrived to wish us luck! RUN!

Do you still have room for one more humble player?

I was wondering if I could RP a colonial government, if not can I be Belgium?
There is still many nations open and up for grabs.

I will take Sweden which owns Norway because they are a union during this time.
What clan said...and you still havn't learn...

Good times. I haven't learned to make smart choices. That's why. I should have made the revoltion later.

There is still many nations open and up for grabs.

Well then, On second thought you look short on players in the Americas, Can I have Mexico?

::Grins Evily:: Sounds good to me.

Good times. I haven't learned to make smart choices. That's why. I should have made the revoltion later.

Let me make this Crystal Clear for you.


You are not wanted or welcome in ANY rp that i'm a mod of. There is no point in asking to join. I would think you would have figured this out by now, considering all the other RP's i've kicked you out of.


Go away, and if you see me in the RP, don't bother joining.

Well then, On second thought you look short on players in the Americas, Can I have Mexico?
Very well Mexico it is...watch out for mad Brits and Yankees...

Haneastic: Please have your China thead up by Sunday or you will be remove from this thead, this is a warning to everyone, unless you post that your out of town by that date or busy... We will remove you from rp, because we hate people who just assign up for a nation and never get around to rping them...

sorry, just remove me, I've got a lot of other stuff and I'm about to leave, sojust make it open.

What can't you just give me one try? If you don't like me then I will leave and will never bother you again.

What can't you just give me one try? If you don't like me then I will leave and will never bother you again.
Clan is the overall mod of this rp...he say no...unless he changes his mind...I am not doing anything on this matter period.

I took the liberty of making a world map for you boys. Its pretty accurate, however, are probably a few errors. Please point them out and ill gladly fix them. In addition, areas with a certain spray are currently disputed, or being fought over. The color which makes up the base of the country has the majority of control, the color sprayed over is fighting to take it. For example. A blue nation with gray spray represents France in control of a nation, with rebel armies fighting to take it back. A country in Africa with a base of Gold and red spray over it represents a Portugese Colony with teh British either fighting for it, or simply taking it. Some nations which have not been claimed have been colored in, such as Oman. The reasoning being they controled other non-claimed territories, and are easily mixed up.

Map of the World in 1872
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5959/europe12tp.png

Anyways, there ya go.

Map of the World in 1872
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5959/europe12tp.png



Dude, that's awsome map althought the area where Armeria..or something appears to under Ottoman and Persian rule I thought it was under Russian Rule by now..could you get online.

Map of the World in 1872
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5959/europe12tp.png

Anyways, there ya go.

You forgot Transvaal. Here's a map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Transvaal_map.png/250px-Transvaal_map.png

Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia were colored in under the Russian Empire. The only portion not colored in dark gray was the southern part of Azerbaijan, which Persia maintained until 1893.

Another note. It appears that the Ottoman Empire is extremely strong at the moment, however the situation with the Ottomans is similar to the Eastern-Western Roman Empires. Egypt controled most of the South West, and was largely autonomous.

And IM me again, I accidently 'X'd out the message.

Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia were colored in under the Russian Empire. The only portion not colored in dark gray was the southern part of Azerbaijan, which Persia maintained until 1893.

Another note. It appears that the Ottoman Empire is extremely strong at the moment, however the situation with the Ottomans is similar to the Eastern-Western Roman Empires. Egypt controled most of the South West, and was largely autonomous.

And IM me again, I accidently 'X'd out the message.
Just notice another thing...the Balkans are off by a bit...Romania, Bulgaria, and Serbia, Bosnia and Albania are still Ottoman ruled..and I am IMing you..its not going thought I think

Updated
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6803/europe16bn.png

Updated
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6803/europe16bn.png

I hate to nitpick, but Transvaal should be a little bit bigger, bordering modern Swaziland on three sides, and going further west and south.

Romania was independent in 1857. However, it was not recognized by many powers until after the Russo-Turkish War. It was however, independent for the most part. (Austro-Hungarian Empire still in control of Western Part.)

True, Bulgaria was a puppet principality, I colored it Ottoman.

Serbia gained 'independence' in 1815, however was under Ottoman Influence until 1842. By 1872, they are fully independent. (They go to war with the Ottomans in 1876)

Albania and Bosnia are colored under Ottoman Rule.

What is you AIM Address? Ill try IM'ing you.

Update for Transvaal. http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7738/europe14qu.png

My AIM addess is zvulcan210

as for the Balkans regions , yes they have their freedom..but they were under Ottoman Protectorates for the most part and were given compete freedom intill after the Ottoman-Russian war of 1878.

hate to nitpick but spain does have several enclaves in morocco such as mellila and ceuta...

Niether Serbia nor Romania were under Ottoman Protectrates. The Ottomans claimed lordship over Serbia, however they had absolutely no power over their affairs. They did not collect tax revenue. They did not have military personel in the country. They did not have any authority figures in the nation. They claimed to rule them... but didnt. The map depicts which governments rule, if it depicted which nations claimed to rule, Mexico could conquer Europe by sending a letter.

Spains claims in Morroco are so incredibly small... it would be pointless to try and draw them in with paint. Make a map of Spanish Colonies in your info thread, much more effective.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7452/europe14io.png

I didn't know I (Ottomans) still had Oman (or is that Yemen, I can never get those two straight), Eritrea, Somalia, and some of the other stuff. My map in my factbook doesn't show anything south of Egypt. :(


As far as Serbia goes: I thought they gained something in 1878. If it was not independance, what was it? Perhaps no one but Russia recognized them before then?

I didn't know I (Ottomans) still had Oman (or is that Yemen, I can never get those two straight), Eritrea, Somalia, and some of the other stuff. My map in my factbook doesn't show anything south of Egypt. :(


As far as Serbia goes: I thought they gained something in 1878. If it was not independance, what was it? Perhaps no one but Russia recognized them before then?
They were semi independance,they had self government and their own limited army and etc...and as for Yeman..I belive you only own the Northern half.

They were semi independance,they had self government and their own limited army and etc...and as for Yeman..I belive you only own the Northern half.


And i've got the Southern Half :-P

What can't you just give me one try? If you don't like me then I will leave and will never bother you again.


No, you'd come back under another name, and then another, and then another after that.


Sorry.


Get the fuck out and stay the fuck away from my RP's.

I'm missing Cape Colony(which was a HUGE portion of S, Africa)


As well as some other little bits here and there.


And i'm pretty sure germany doesn't have anything yet.

Important Rule Change!!!!

Due to the difficulty of managing small nations or large complex nations, some nations are going to be placed on permanent or semi-permanent NPC status.

The list of these nations will likely be modified as the RP goes along.

Included in this list thus far are:

Central America
Carribean Islands
Any non-dominion colony
China

A more indepth list will be posted later.

(N.B. Reguarding China. This nation is far to large and complex, especially being ripped apart by Imperialist nations. Thus it will not be available until at least the 1920s.)

No, you'd come back under another name, and then another, and then another after that.


Sorry.


Get the fuck out and stay the fuck away from my RP's.

Wow you have some angry. Also if you never wanted me in a rp, then why did you let me one of your rps about a month ago?

1. Oman. The Sultanate of Oman was a powerful force in the mid 19th Century with colonies in East Africa, Persia and several ports throughout the Mid East. Egyptian Forces under 'Ottoman Control' rule Yemen, which is the Southern Half of the territory you are speaking of.

2. Eitrea, Somalia, Sudan. They were controlled by Egypt... dont believe me? Check Wiki, Google... Egypt controls much of North Africa... which is why we should have an Egyptian RP'er as well as an Ottoman.

I'm missing Cape Colony(which was a HUGE portion of S, Africa)


As well as some other little bits here and there.


And i'm pretty sure germany doesn't have anything yet.

I decolored it to fix Transvaal and forgot to color it back in. It will be fixed in the next update. And Germany does control the areas colored black... I researched every single African Nation, if its black, or black with gray spray, they are either in control or fighting for control. As to the little bits. 1. If they are too small to draw on with paint, such as Spains claims, I did not bother to try drawing them. 2. If not, tell me where they are, I did not see any additional British Claims in my research.

-Their settlements in Cameroon are very shaky, they are no where near in control of the country. They do not withdraw resources or income from the land... they have only set up weak control of the nation. The same go's for Namibia. While they have little real power there, they have a considerable area of influence.

Wow you have some angry. Also if you never wanted me in a rp, then why did you let me one of your rps about a month ago?


For the sole reason of letting you fuck up and kicking you out as an Example


You can ask either Ottoman or Manarth about this. They thought i was evil at the time, but you ended up leaving anyway.


And i'm angered because you constantly come in under different Nations after you've been told nicely once, or twice.


Your persistence is irritating so now stay the fuck away from my RP.

1. Oman. The Sultanate of Oman was a powerful force in the mid 19th Century with colonies in East Africa, Persia and several ports throughout the Mid East. Egyptian Forces under 'Ottoman Control' rule Yemen, which is the Southern Half of the territory you are speaking of.

2. Eitrea, Somalia, Sudan. They were controlled by Egypt... dont believe me? Check Wiki, Google... Egypt controls much of North Africa... which is why we should have an Egyptian RP'er as well as an Ottoman.



I decolored it to fix Transvaal and forgot to color it back in. It will be fixed in the next update. And Germany does control the areas colored black... I researched every single African Nation, if its black, or black with gray spray, they are either in control or fighting for control. As to the little bits. 1. If they are too small to draw on with paint, such as Spains claims, I did not bother to try drawing them. 2. If not, tell me where they are, I did not see any additional British Claims in my research.

-Their settlements in Cameroon are very shaky, they are no where near in control of the country. They do not withdraw resources or income from the land... they have only set up weak control of the nation. The same go's for Namibia. While they have little real power there, they have a considerable area of influence.


In 1883, German merchant Adolf Lüderitz bought land from a native chief in the area of Angra Pequeña. The city of Lüderitz and the adjacent coast are named for him. On 24 April 1884, he placed the area under the protection of Imperial Germany to deter British encroachment. In early 1884, the Kaiserliche Marine ship Nautilus visited to review the situation. A favourable report from the government, and acquiescence from the British, resulted in a visit from the Leipzig and Elisabeth. The German flag was finally raised on 7 August 1884.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_South_West_Africa


The first permanent colonial settlements were started in the late 1870s, with the German Empire emerging as the major European Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon

I guess your example was wrong then. Just to tell you I only use one country now. It's Canadstein. I haven't made a post with Comstan for a couple months. That's all I have to say. Now I will leave you alone.

Why are you still here? It's cluttering our OOC thread!

The book im reading (Carl Peters and German Imperialism) has trading posts and small settlements in Cameroon and Zamibia as early as 1861. The point was, they have an influence in Zamibia and Cameroon. The first permanent settlements, as in cities and forts came later in 70's, but ignoring their influence altogether is changing history, as they first started landing/trading/establishing influence in early 1861. They do not control the land, but they are there.

As for facts... I love wiki and everything, but id take historical novel-esque source over them 9/10 times.

EDIT: If you wouldlike to change it, by all means, go right ahead. This is only my opinion.

The book im reading (Carl Peters and German Imperialism) has trading posts and small settlements in Cameroon and Zamibia as early as 1861. The point was, they have an influence in Zamibia and Cameroon. The first permanent settlements, as in cities and forts came later in 70's, but ignoring their influence altogether is changing history, as they first started landing/trading/establishing influence in early 1861. They do not control the land, but they are there.

As for facts... I love wiki and everything, but id take historical novel-esque source over them 9/10 times.

EDIT: If you wouldlike to change it, by all means, go right ahead. This is only my opinion.


Listen, I'm going to make ruling here, and its going to stick, since my only info i have is from wiki, and this is what wiki says, it goes. Germany has no colonies at the moment, They only unified the Year before this RP started.


You can make a map however you like, but until it meets Mod Approval its not official.

I appreciate you taking the time to make the map.

Time for a lesson in colonization:

There are two ways to effectively "utilize" the resources of "barbarian" or "savage" peoples (the first being closer to "civilized" than the latter). The first is for the state to colonize the land. Called "Official Colonization" this is the obvious, and the most used, and results in the nice coloring of the map to show that French Indochina belongs to the people of France.

The second option is also quite effective. "Unofficial Colonization" is when people from a certain country begin to exert their economic influence over a barbarian country. Usually this results in the country in question having a leadership that is, on paper, soverign. However, usually the government of this country is subordinate to either the whims of the economic powers at work, or the government of the country in control of these powers.

Good examples of the second option are: Real World: The relation between the US and Cuba after the Spanish/American War but pre-Castro.
E20: The relationship between Colombia and the U.S.

Other ways to utilize the second option include the threat of force or economic sanctions in order to control the other nation's government and coups orchistrated to move someone loyal to your govermnent into power.

Official start of the RP will kick off tonight at 12am EST(US East Coast)

As of that moment it will Be Jan/Feb 1872

could i claim Germany? I didnt see it on the taken list.

thank you

could i claim Germany? I didnt see it on the taken list.

thank you
No, Germany is already claim..CHECK AND LOOK AT THE FREAKIN LIST, YOU WILL SEE GERMANY IS Claim...

No, Germany is already claim..CHECK AND LOOK AT THE FREAKIN LIST, YOU WILL SEE GERMANY IS Claim...

Im sorry, i didnt see it. My mistake.

Im sorry, i didnt see it. My mistake.


its only SECOND DOWN ON THE LIST.

OOC: Hurray! It's starting!

could I sign up as the territory of Egypt? It is suposedly under Ottoman control but is really independent with its own govt at this time, just giving tribute

I'm sorry, but I'm going to say "no" for Egypt. We're trying to get people to pick soverign nations, and even if Egypt is nominally soverign... I'm sure you'll just get overrun by the British in a year or two anyway.

If you are looking for other options... I think Brazil is still open, as are several smaller European nations. Let me check the first page a second.

Edit: We've still got Greece, and that's really all I can think of a the moment. We really should put up a "What you can fill" on the front page, rather than a "what you can't take".

Mexican News Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477495

Here are a few intresting options I can think of:
-Brazil
-Belgium
-Sweden (I think still in union with Norway)
-Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia
-Greece
-Abyssinia

Other choices:
-Afghanistan
-Catalonia (has some form of autonomy)
-Ireland
-Siam

Of course I couldbe wrong in regards to some of these

Mexican News Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477495

Here are a few intresting options I can think of:
-Brazil
-Belgium
-Sweden (I think still in union with Norway)
-Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia
-Greece
-Abyssinia

Other choices:
-Afghanistan
-Catalonia (has some form of autonomy)
-Ireland
-Siam


Afghanistan NPC, so is Abyssina, plus Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia are still under semi Ottoman Rule, they are no go and Ireland...is still a British State, therefore no.and no on Catalonia since its still a part of Spain.

Japanese News Thread up (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10763598#post10763598)

I thought it started; where is the IC thread?

The IC threads are your news threads, or any other separate RP thread that you start. Be sure to linky it here.

What happened to the Persian thread I was just about to open a deal with him?

What happened to the Persian thread I was just about to open a deal with him?
He was remove and boot from this rp by higher ranking mods..if you want more details ask them.

Ah yes... I see, I followed another link. Banned in fact over a piece of metal with a hole in, far to technologically advanced for one of the oldest empire's on earth. Certainly teaches people to respect authority though.

Ah yes... I see, I followed another link. Banned in fact over a piece of metal with a hole in, far to technologically advanced for one of the oldest empire's on earth. Certainly teaches people to respect authority though.


Man, I REALLY disagree with you guys on this one. You're banning him for making a metal shield with a firing slit. Wow. It's not like the basic principle wasn't in use already during the mideveal time period. It wouldnt be that hard to make either.

Is anyone interested in purchasing some Ottoman territory in the Balkans? I am bound to lose most of it eventually anyway so I figure that I might as well just sell it.

Is anyone interested in purchasing some Ottoman territory in the Balkans? I am bound to lose most of it eventually anyway so I figure that I might as well just sell it.
The only people interest in your lands are the Russians and Austrians and the Austrians have reject your offer..If I recall correctly, and the Russians...they would not stand for another power to hold contral over Slavic lands...if you were to free them and grant full indepence..that's another story...

What an interesting roleplay. Can I be the Brazilian Empire?

What an interesting roleplay. Can I be the Brazilian Empire?
Granted

We weren't banning him over the metal shield, we banned him due to a poor attitude. I appreciate constructive criticism, but I personally can't stand someone that takes offense when I offer some of my own.

I'm sorry it had to come to this so early in the RP, but I didn't want everything that effects Persia to turn into a week long debate.

Those of you who have RPed with me before can attest, I enjoy a good debate, I appreciate critism, and I admit when I'm wrong. Hell our Civil War RP went through dozens of revisions due to my bad guesses within the first week.

However, none of the mods appreciate being belittled or forced to defend their rulings at every turn.

With that being said, any one of you that disagrees with the banning are more than welcome to telegram either myself or any of the other mods to complain, or for clarification. Frankly it would be nice to see what you think, to address your personal concerns, and to make this RP's policies better in the future.

Man, I REALLY disagree with you guys on this one. You're banning him for making a metal shield with a firing slit. Wow. It's not like the basic principle wasn't in use already during the mideveal time period. It wouldnt be that hard to make either.

Exactly, perhaps I should have used a sarcastic smiley. But as the mods say we should drop the subject.

Well, it was worth a try anyways. Good luck with the RP.

I would grant them independence if it paid off. I need money badly. So, if Russia is willing to pay 200 million pounds then I will grant independence to all my Balkan territories. I doubt that will happen, so, does anyone want Libya?

I would grant them independence if it paid off. I need money badly. So, if Russia is willing to pay 200 million pounds then I will grant independence to all my Balkan territories. I doubt that will happen, so, does anyone want Libya?
Do you think, Russia has that much money...really we don't that much...I say to you fight for your right to Balkans and hold on to as much of the Ottoman Empire as you can...reform yourself..don't give up so easy..my friend..you still have a change of holding on to your lands without giving them out so soon.

does anyone want Libya?

OCC: Might want to talk to either Britain (who is already fixing its eyes towards your territories in Egypt and the Sudan), or France.

Besides that, there really aren't any other logical nations who could fill the void. One might say the Italians, but they have a country to build (as well as the Germans).

so, does anyone want Libya?

Italy would love to take Libya off your hands.

And how much would you be willing to pay?

If we're going by pounds then two million.

Denmark offers 5 Million pounds for it

Yay! A bidding war. Italy, do you have a counter-proposal? Going once...

I think the counter proposal will be the non-existance of Denmark :)

What a suprise there.

As long as no one is trying anything with Algeria and Tunisia, which I will take, France is not interrested about Libya.

You people never stop making me laugh....bidding on sands...this can't get any better LOL

Yay! A bidding war. Italy, do you have a counter-proposal? Going once...

Denmark can buy it, lets see Denmark hold on to their new possesion.

OOC: So...Denmark, why exactly are you willing to pay 5 million pounds, a gigantic amount of money, for Libya again?

Safehaven, the French will not discuss about Tunisia and Algeria. My sphere of influence. Just do to Libya what you were doing to Tunisia, like IRL, and we can all be happy.

Italy won't leave Tunisia unless we get something in return, we were there first and so you are invading Italian land.

Denmark can buy it, lets see Denmark hold on to their new possesion.

OOC: So...Denmark, why exactly are you willing to pay 5 million pounds, a gigantic amount of money, for Libya again?

OOC Well mainly because I can. Clan Just bought the Virgin Islands for 120 Million Pounds, a bit high perhaps. I was planning on perhaps control a little more of the coast but the French dropped in.

You sent few silly soldiers in the capital. I landed a army in the very same day. It was Tunisian soil you invaded, and so did I. The country is not conquered yet, we both just happen to have troops in there. I have many, you have few.
I give you free hands with Libya, but WILL TAKE Algeria and Tunisia. Period. If you want a war for it, so be it. France may be a bit beaten atm, but still strong enough to block Alpine passes and kill your navy... ;)

You sent few silly soldiers in the capital. I landed a army in the very same day. It was Tunisian soil you invaded, and so did I. The country is not conquered yet, we both just happen to have troops in there. I have many, you have few.
I give you free hands with Libya, but WILL TAKE Algeria and Tunisia. Period. If you want a war for it, so be it. France may be a bit beaten atm, but still strong enough to block Alpine passes and kill your navy... ;)
France....you already have Algeria...its been yours for quite to some time...and I still laugh at the idea of paying money for sand..lol..

Actually, how much is 120 million pounds at this point?

The only information I could find that seemed relevant was that in 1887 a squadron of five cruisers and two torpedo gunboats cost 120,000 pounds. If this is true, then Britain has just bought the isles for a sum that could have been used to build some 500 cruisers and 200 torpedo gunboats-something which I doubt the British government could afford to pay with impunity.

OOC Yes, I rather think it would bankrupt the England, I shall probably have to give back quite a large portion of it ah well...

On the upside, you can always build yourself one of the world's best navies with that amount.

France, there is no need to invade Tunisia. I can sell it to you for cheap. I know it is not technically mine, but I can guarantee you to take it without any trouble for a mere 500,000 pounds.

Denmark, you still want to buy Libya? If not I will sell it to the Italians.

France, there is no need to invade Tunisia. I can sell it to you for cheap. I know it is not technically mine, but I can guarantee you to take it without any trouble for a mere 500,000 pounds.

Denmark, you still want to buy Libya? If not I will sell it to the Italians.

yes but at the reduced rate of 3 million as I will probably have to give some money back to England

I'll also add that selling Tunis... Well i'll pay 3 mil for a scrap of land with 1/3 native population. Hold out, assert your authority, but then again when I say that bad things will probably happen. Or wait for them to decimate each other then move in.

yes but at the reduced rate of 3 million as I will probably have to give some money back to England

I'll also add that selling Tunis... Well i'll pay 3 mil for a scrap of land with 1/3 native population. Hold out, assert your authority, but then again when I say that bad things will probably happen. Or wait for them to decimate each other then move in.
Yes, let everyone beat the crap out of eachother for some sand...ingenius and you move and take everything...good show my friend...all for a bunch of sand..why can't you people go after the other regions of africa that more worth it...I shall never understand..

Yes, let everyone beat the crap out of eachother for some sand...ingenius and you move and take everything...good show my friend...all for a bunch of sand..why can't you people go after the other regions of africa that more worth it...I shall never understand..

Cuz that's all my land :)

Parthini']Cuz that's all my land :)
Righto...keep thinking that you derange Flying Dutchmen...

As long as I am selling my land... can I interest anyone in the Brooklyn Brigde? I also have some oceanfront property in Kansas and its going fast!

As long as I am selling my land... can I interest anyone in the Brooklyn Brigde? I also have some oceanfront property in Kansas and its going fast!


OOC: you do anything with egypt.....and we will have problems. ;-)

Come on,we still need Sweden..and some other lowland county...or even Greece...come on people join our rp..

Come on,we still need Sweden..and some other lowland county...or even Greece...come on people join our rp..

OOC: If your really in need of important nations (especially European nations), I would be willing to abandon my current Canadian position and claim a position more helpful to the progression of this RP.

After all, I'm sure the British Empire would be more than capable of managing this Dominion in my absence.

OOC: If your really in need of important nations (especially European nations), I would be willing to abandon my current Canadian position and claim a position more helpful to the progression of this RP.

After all, I'm sure the British Empire would be more than capable of managing this Dominion in my absence.
If you want to take up the post of some European country then go ahead.

I would not mind RPing Colombia, since i have unofficlly left all my other RPs which have advanced far where I have been left behind. How far along is this RP?

I would not mind RPing Colombia, since i have unofficlly left all my other RPs which have advanced far where I have been left behind. How far along is this RP?
Umm...its still in the first year of 1872, well by saturday it will be 1873..but sure your welcome to join..just post your thead for Colombia.

If you want to take up the post of some European country then go ahead.

OOC: Then I shall remove my current claim on Canada and place it on the Kingdom of Greece.

OOC: Then I shall remove my current claim on Canada and place it on the Kingdom of Greece.
Very well, i shall change it when you post the news thead for Greece.

I just found out that France was occupied by Germany untill 1873 and couldn't rebuild its army till then, to late now though.

I just found out that France was occupied by Germany untill 1873 and couldn't rebuild its army till then, to late now though.
Now you tell me...wait..1873....doh..I thought it was by 1872 they left France....agh..

Anyways..guys here is something to look forward to ..woot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Depression

It's comming!

Wow a real depression to RP... I can't wait!

It's comming!

Wow a real depression to RP... I can't wait!
Well it wasn't as bad as the Great Depression, yet growth rates many nations did slow down and I quote this from the website

"Like the Great Depression, the Long Depression saw many nations of the world resort to protectionism to shore up faltering industries. Both Germany and France abandoned free trade. Some also argue that the Long Depression contributed to the revival in colonialism in the late nineteenth century, as the western powers sought new markets for their goods."

So yeah..its good and bad if you have to think about it in that light.

Protectionism? Tarriffs? Sounds like America's sort of depression.

Anyway, Clans is out for another day or two. He should be back by Monday. He's currently hopped up on painkillers, after his wisdom teeth were removed.

Not only that, but he's suffering Alcohol and Nicotine withdrawl! Hurray!

Try not to declair war on England while he's away.

Greek Factbook & Events Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10810358#post10810358)

The Living Colombian Factbook [1872 RP] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10810568#post10810568)

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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10810568#post10810568


Hopefully this meets criteria? I don't know the population, so I guessed. I had one for all of Gran Colombia and divided it by three.

The Living Colombian Factbook [1872 RP] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10810568#post10810568)

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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10810568#post10810568


Hopefully this meets criteria? I don't know the population, so I guessed. I had one for all of Gran Colombia and divided it by three.

Gran Colombia doesn't exist has it use be nowsdays it just Colombia and Pamana for now...

My goodness its already year two for this game...year one was full of powers nearly going to war and etc....lets try to be more peaceful eh guys?

hello i was looking into joining as Portugal, but i saw this

Pyschotika- Portugal

it is without a link, so i did not know if it is open or not. and don't feal like reading through all this thread to find out. if i am to join i would like to know general info on whats happened so far. and what is Portugal's likly economic level. i can look up most anything else

hello i was looking into joining as Portugal, but i saw this

Pyschotika- Portugal

it is without a link, so i did not know if it is open or not. and don't feal like reading through all this thread to find out. if i am to join i would like to know general info on whats happened so far. and what is Portugal's likly economic level. i can look up most anything else
Umm...Portugal is taken, if he doesn't post anything like in three days it yours..so if you want...pick another nation like...Chile or Peru.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10820463#post10820463

International Conference on Colonialism

Gran Colombia doesn't exist has it use be nowsdays it just Colombia and Pamana for now...

This union, however, callapsed as racial seperatists, very few, fought a long and bloody war in Venezuela. Blame was thrown all over the UCAS, and eventually caused a peaceful break-up of the union in 1831. The only united countries that remained was that Quito and Gran Quito stayed united, Colombia and Panama remained united, and Venezuela still had territorial posession on a northern Brazilian Amazon province, which a war was waged and ended in a cease-fire with Gran Colombia and Brazil over a Mountain's resources, which ended in victory on the UCAS' part.


I just had a figure on Gran Colombia's population, and since it was mostly in Venezuela (about 45%), I divided it by the three original founders of the Union and kept that number since Panama and growth also is added in.

Cross-Posted form my news thread:
Beloved Queen and Empress Elisabeth Dies!

Empress of Austria and Queen of Hungary, Elizabeth, beloved mother of our great nation passed into the arms of God yesterday, giving birth to a son, Franz Josef II of Austria. Married to His Imperial and Apostolic Majesty since 1854, Franz Josef II is their fifth child together. While His Imperial Majesty Franz Josef has yet to make an appearance of statement since her death, he is said to have been deeply shaken by her death. The Official Funeral will be held in five days in Vienna where she shall be laid to rest in the Imperial Crypt.

I will be taking marriage offers next week after the poor Franz Josef has had suitable time to recover from his loss ;)

Cross-Posted form my news thread:


I will be taking marriage offers next week after the poor Franz Josef has had suitable time to recover from his loss ;)
So you kill the old wife and want new young one.....go to....Germany or Britian for marrage offers..

Umm...Portugal is taken, if he doesn't post anything like in three days it yours..so if you want...pick another nation like...Chile or Peru.

i'll wait first

Important RP Information!!!

May 9th, 1873... A downturn in the Austrian based Vienna Stock Exchange causes a minor financial crisis throughout Central Europe. By September, the problems will have spread as far as America.

The culprit is thought by some the lack of availble gold, due to the gold standard. Many people, particularly debtors and farmers, are pushing for bi-metalism (a silver and gold standard) or a transfer to a streight silver standard.

Investors, who have suffered under the recent ecomic downturn are even beginning to question the wisdom of the gold standard.

I would like to take this opportunity to ask that everyone cross-post any economic actions or treaties in the Economics thread.

Saturday was a pain, believe me, in trying to figure out who did what and when. It would be nice to have all the actions for the year set off in markers in one thread.

Any economic stuff that has already happened is considered grandfathered in, and does not have to be cross-posted.

OOC Anyone interested in NCPing Sweden I think I might make an attempt on annexing Norway back? Not now of course but sometime maybe in 1874.

OOC Anyone interested in NCPing Sweden I think I might make an attempt on annexing Norway back? Not now of course but sometime maybe in 1874.

OOC: Sweden and Norway are still joined together in a Personal Union as of this time period.

Also (this is just one of my personal peeves), please don't reveal your ambitions just yet. That's what the RPing is for. ;)

OOC Anyone interested in NCPing Sweden I think I might make an attempt on annexing Norway back? Not now of course but sometime maybe in 1874.


damn your ambitious.

damn your ambitious.
Aye..and your insane!

OOC- Sorry bout that but it was rather obvious what else can Denmark do, can't really go to Africa without wadges of cash. No chance in the America's, or Asia. Sweden is really the only European country Denmark could beat. Anyway Norway is not very happy with the union, they probably won't be happy with Denmark but... There's a free cookie for who can guess what nationality the Norwegian king actually is.

The offer is still open for anyone.

OOC- Sorry bout that but it was rather obvious what else can Denmark do, can't really go to Africa without wadges of cash. No chance in the America's, or Asia. Sweden is really the only European country Denmark could beat. Anyway Norway is not very happy with the union, they probably won't be happy with Denmark but... There's a free cookie for who can guess what nationality the Norwegian king actually is.

The offer is still open for anyone.
He is Danish or Russian..or even better Chinese!

OOC- Sorry bout that but it was rather obvious what else can Denmark do, can't really go to Africa without wadges of cash. No chance in the America's, or Asia. Sweden is really the only European country Denmark could beat. Anyway Norway is not very happy with the union, they probably won't be happy with Denmark but... There's a free cookie for who can guess what nationality the Norwegian king actually is.

The offer is still open for anyone.


OOC: Don't make us turn the Germans Loose on you. They are chomping at the bit.

OOC I really hope not, but again why would he German's attack? Other then the fact that they could they'd win, they'd get wads of cash ect.... I therefore salute anyone whose ever played as Denmark, it's not easy.

OOC I really hope not, but again why would he German's attack? Other then the fact that they could they'd win, they'd get wads of cash ect.... I therefore salute anyone whose ever played as Denmark, it's not easy.


OOC: i've rethought my opinion, a Strong Scandanavian state is not a threat to me in any way, so if you want to unify them all, and you can make it work, Go nuts.

OOC: i've rethought my opinion, a Strong Scandanavian state is not a threat to me in any way, so if you want to unify them all, and you can make it work, Go nuts.
Aye, you have to united Scandanvia with blood not going to be easy that's for sure.

Norway has taken delivery of the very first Torpedo Boat. Produced in British Shipyards.



Great Britain will begin exporting them to select nations.

Guess what people...Its 1874....happy new year...now get back to work you lazy bums...

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If you don't see much of me, that's where I am. I'll try to keep caught up, but no promisses. If any immediate rulings are needed, and I'm not available, Ottomans, Vas, Clans or Mad can rule on the Economy or Navy. Try to give me at least a day or two to post.

Again, economics thingies should be crossposted to the economics thread. Naval building and ect. should probubly be crossposted to the Naval technology thread, but I'm not going to require that.

Again, economics thingies should be crossposted to the economics thread. Naval building and ect. should probubly be crossposted to the Naval technology thread, but I'm not going to require that.


you won't, but I will require it. Makes things easier for all involved.

And how could I forget that I move into my new appartment on...

Wednesday! No Friday! No Saturday! Maybe Friday?! Sweet Zombie Jesus! I just don't know any more! I'm freakin' out man!

Seriously though, Clans... Can you get some sort of truck out to Kent around Friday?

And how could I forget that I move into my new appartment on...

Wednesday! No Friday! No Saturday! Maybe Friday?! Sweet Zombie Jesus! I just don't know any more! I'm freakin' out man!

Seriously though, Clans... Can you get some sort of truck out to Kent around Friday?

A truck, now thats iffy. I'll call around and see what i can scrounge up.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10880401#post10880401


This is where you post your military Developments, new technology, the size and composistion of your Army's etc, so that we can keep track in case of war.

Bump for new members.

OOC I apologize in delay on this post but, Physics testing...

Anyway Tactical Data on Norway Sweden

Sweden:
Population: 4,341,559
Three largest Cities: Stolkholm, Malmo, Gottingen
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy In pact with Norwy

Topography: A Fertile country with many port cities and rolling farmlands. It's mostly lowland with it turning into hills near the North Atlantic.

Army: About 200,000 Full mobilization. The Swedish army has breech loading rifles , but practically no carbines or repeating rifles.

Navy: For such a large and prominant country it's navy is a joke. At this point in time they only have one battleship (That I could find) and a generally small navy.

Norway:
Population 1,783,200
Three largest Cities: Oslo, Trondheim, Bergen
Government Type: (A bit hard to tell they say they have a King but probably not) Vassal to Sweden

Topography: The major port cities are located in Strategic fjords that protect the cities from heavy attack, it would be foolish to attack most of them from the sea. Most of Norway is Either Tundra, Deep forests, or Bogs.

Army: 50,000 Full mobilization: Norway has never really needed an army after being subjugated by Sweden, they never really could hope to win. The Norwegian force is much more heavily armed with impored weapons, but Sweden usually stamps down before they can get much training done.

Navy: Small but modern. The Norwegian navy could probably beat or at least out maneuver the Swedish fleet. It's power is a force to recon with.

OOC If anyone hasn't guessed by now, I'm starting my invsion.