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Aza, judging from your map, my low-tech Airships won't be able to pick your ships transmission up at all easily, and they are no where near your area yet, they have to go over Florintine's land 2x before they hit the sea.

haha, that's the first time anybody has called me Aza...

anyways, yeah, you're right in that your airships are far away from my actual fleet - I probably wasn't all that clear in my post. The specialist referred to "Three Eyes," which is the integrated sensor system employed by Royal Navy vessels that links sea, air, and space-borne assets to greatly improve the tactical awareness of any networked fleet. Flying with the taskforce are airborne surveillance aircraft which have long-range, high-powered radar systems while above the fleet are flying satellites relaying real time images to the fleet... all of this through secure and encrypted comm channels.

the taskforce can't reach out and touch your forces yet, still too far away, but the further out they can detect them and try to communicate with them, the more options the taskforce has for dealing with the situation.

I have a friend who's name is Azareal and I call her Aza for short to. Just a habit. If you don't like it I'll use your full name, no idea why I shortened it like that.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/410/tran3au.png
There you go.

Oh jeez.
Bump.


Just so you all know, RPs in Irathria aren't limited to people in Irathria. You could do stuff with people from other continents, and they can join in to RPs here. Just FYI.

cough cough cough BUMP!

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/410/tran3au.png
There you go.

Thanks!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10497558#post10497558

The Corporate States expands, on its first campaign for more lands. If someone willing to RP as the locals that would be cool.

Wow, I've been gone for two days and everything changes. Someone mind updating me?

I'd be interested in moving to this continent...I'm generally involved in MT, semi-PMT rps.

Well, there's been land added to the south of the continent, people have come, Asbena, Azazia, and Corpsac are getting more territory, and there's discussion of a naval treaty.

No Endorse will begin moving against the southern part of the chokepoint soon. I'll IC it in a bit. I imagine Transylvania will be against it though.

Well, not that I would know, because I am DEFINATLY not Florintine on a puppet, but I'd guess he wanted it to look cooler and thought it needed a makeover.

And, I'd like to claim that area next to Truitt and Intercomcordei, going down a bit.

PS Im back! Hooray!
PSS Oooo! Florintines land looks awfully juicy!

EDIT: I'm saving that chokepoint for someone new to this continent. I'm not sure who yet, but probably someone really responsible.
EDIT2:
Where would you like?
EDIT3:
I'm not calling you irresponsible, I promise.

Well, I think I may plan on a military expansion to take that choke point in the far south, since everyone seems to be consentrating to the one in the middle.

*smells a noob enter the thread* I SMELL RAMISSLE! *jumps and tackle hugs him* No MT for you FT nations! We all hate your death lasers and spaceships and genetically enhanced girls...wait...I like the girls....nvm!

Well, I think I may plan on a military expansion to take that choke point in the far south, since everyone seems to be consentrating to the one in the middle.
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The bay one?

Oh yeah, both of the choke-points are bays. If you were talking about taking the southern one, I would work to blitzing over the middle one before someone else gets to it.

Well, I think I may plan on a military expansion to take that choke point in the far south, since everyone seems to be consentrating to the one in the middle.
Probably a good idea, less likely that you'll get attacked. I, however, love steep odds, even if it means I get screwed. (this is the guy who tried to prod the Temporal Accord into attacking en mass a while back)

EDIT3:
I'm not calling you irresponsible, I promise.
XD aight. Just keep in mind that I'm not that responsible IC. My leader is a bit... strange.

*smells a noob enter the thread* I SMELL RAMISSLE! *jumps and tackle hugs him* No MT for you FT nations! We all hate your death lasers and spaceships and genetically enhanced girls...wait...I like the girls....nvm!
Me? FT?
NEVER!
lol

Updated the map, and changed Koryans color.

OOC: Don't know if I'm too late for it, but if the land at the Southern tip of the continent is still avaliable, I'd like to grab some...

Sure. Where exactly?
I gotta go, so this will be like my second to last post.

The bay below Ramissle and the land below there looks good...

kk

thanks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/corpsac/florintinecontinent6lt.jpg

I just want to make shore what ive marked out here is ok for my invasion since i dont want to write out entire posts about invading the Island if i cant have them (there is a reason why im invading them).

The only reason im taking the chock point is so i can control trade in and out of that area (large taxes :D), i want the island as naval bases, massive farms and a free trade port with people in the lands around (and points of invasion if anyone ever trys to go to war with me in that area).

Im willing to not have the southen islands but aslong as i get the central i dont mind....just means who ever gets them will need to fend off the CSF.

If possible, I would like some land on the Southern end of the bay and Peninsulas south of Florintine, If would like it to extend up, and control the southern group of Islands as Well, thanks

Aww Flor, I wouldn't have caused TOO much pain. Sides, people could always go around :: points at area between Xharn and Transylvannia::

Oh well, I'll just need to find another place to feel some pain.

Corpsac, we would be willing to make a comprimise for the land on the western and southern shore of the bay, stretching to the sea west of us, including the islands, is this possile

http://files.tagworld.com/7d956e69616c6c6e6f69676c616368-100x100.jpeg

1.) We shall not build Naval Bases within the area
2.) we are willing to pay taxes on the items shipped in here, to any ports
3.) we shall defend you in times of war

Aww Flor, I wouldn't have caused TOO much pain. Sides, people could always go around :: points at area between Xharn and Transylvannia.::

I don’t think anybody would go between that area. The reason would be that would be guard by my navy and maybe Xharn’s navy. It is little piece of sea. It is almost like channel, if you look at it.

And one more thing, my name is Transylvania not Transylvannia. :p

would it be possible to also have that last little island in the southeast of the map, because that's sort of actually where I imagined the capital at...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/fbcatholicsfan/BasicMapofKingJohnIslandColony.jpg

That's sort of what I've been working off of for my partition of those islands with the white belonging to Asbena, hence me not really expanding the detail on the island's shape or terrain.

I don’t think anybody would go between that area. The reason would be that would be guard by my navy and maybe Xharn’s navy. It is little piece of sea. It is almost like channel, if you look at it.

And one more thing, my name is Transylvania not Transylvannia. :p
Spelling is not statistical :P

Besides, isn't negotiating Passage Rights with countries the fun part?

I would like the landmass to the South of Corpsac's Islands as my colony's territory. Thanks in advance.

Besides, isn't negotiating Passage Rights with countries the fun part?

Not with my nation. Or with Lord Governor Cain Wolfe.

well if peopel are watching my invasion of the new lands...well read and see...if you want comment on it you best have a good dam reason on know it so quickly.

well if peopel are watching my invasion of the new lands...well read and see...if you want comment on it you best have a good dam reason on know it so quickly.

If Corpsac gets that, I'll take the southernmost chunk though, or perhaps some area to the West of CorpSac.

just to make it interesting for No Endorse and Transylvania... note, what I'm referring to is actually so small it would not appear on the larger map, except maybe as a dot just to denote its mere presence.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10499403#post10499403

well if peopel are watching my invasion of the new lands...well read and see...if you want comment on it you best have a good dam reason on know it so quickly.

I would comment because Wolfe Island is close to your invasion. But Lord Governor Cain Wolfe likes to sit back and watch.

Darn you Azazia. But don't worry, I'll find a way.

EDIT: what is considered a sane fleet size for MT? I'm still getting re-grounded here.

OOC: You mean a single fleet or your entire navy?

huh?

hehe, it's not really that big at all, but it's just so that nobody can go marching in and close it off to the UK... it's my own little Gibraltar... but then the UK isn't so much concerned with other countries blocking the stait against other third parties... just so long as you don't attempt to block out the UK... anyway, I have some thoughts on the matter that I'll TG you in a bit.

as for a sane fleet, aside from ultimately depending on how large your country is, fleets and ships continue to get longer and longer. E.g., the UK owns three and is building five more SDs over 1km in length. (Mind you finding good anchorages is a bitch...) As for fleet sizes, I have roughly around 2000 combat ships and the private sector provides many of the auxiliaries required, though the UK does operate its own auxiliary fleet. One should keep in mind, however, that the UK is an island nation and the core area has no land borders and is over 2000km distant from the next nearest landmass (which is also controlled by the UK.) So for me, it's more important to have a large and powerful navy... and to ensure that Kingsland can reach the rest of the country (not to mention those little islands way out in the middle of, well nowhere practically. But those are more or less my thoughts - I'm not too big into war RPs and so to be honest the 2k number is a rough sketch as I haven't had the need to fill it in with specific details.

huh?

Was that at me? Because it was. The leader (Lord Governor Cain Wolfe) of Wolfe Island likes to sit back and watch over getting into with somebody. Unless they get into Transylvanian waters (12 nm) or attack Wolfe Island.

OOC: You mean a single fleet or your entire navy?

Either. My current 'fast response' fleet type is:

1 Nimitz class aircraft carrier
1 Iowa Class Battleship
2 Leahy Class Cruisers
4 Spruance Class Destroyers
2 Type 22 Broadsword Class Frigates
2 Seawolf Class Attack Submarines
2 Sacramento Class

Standard fleet:
1 Nimitz class aircraft carrier (debating making this 2)
2 Iowa class battleship
2 Ticonderoga class guided missile cruisers
2 Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer
4 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates
2 Los Angeles class attack submarines
2 Virginia class attack submarines
8 Supply class fast combat support ship
8 Kaiser class oilers
4 Kilauea class ammunition ships

I've got a few others, but I don't want to spam the thread. Also, overal naval size.
EDIT: I mostly use RL NATO ships for ease of use. I'll use a few NS designs, but only if the design is really high quality in my freakishly strange opinion.

If Corpsac gets that, I'll take the southernmost chunk though, or perhaps some area to the West of CorpSac.


my huh was at this comment, tho at the moment the Corporate States doesnt recognize any claims to waters outside 12nm, even if your people stated they had more then that Wolf we would only recognize 12nm's. and we're not going to invade wolf island.

*a General says out load"* "shit they found out..who got drunk at the poker game again?"

I was referring to CorpSac's wanting to get that little chunk of land south of his islands. If he gets that I'll take the southernmost thing.

well, aslong as you dont mind the flock of refugees that would flood your borders with Wild tales of mass murder, rape and pilliaging and the killing of puppys.

All lies you must understand, the Corporate States is a big fan of Human rights, wont sign a single treaty stating it but will always condem such actions and would make shore the commanding officers and the soldiers involved were punished.

(the advantage of faceless army...its hard to prove it was one person, and most of the of hte commands are passed on by word of mouth)

my huh was at this comment, tho at the moment the Corporate States doesnt recognize any claims to waters outside 12nm, even if your people stated they had more then that Wolf we would only recognize 12nm's. and we're not going to invade wolf island.

*a General says out load"* "shit they found out..who got drunk at the poker game again?"

Oh, okay. We only claim 12 nm because anything esle is nuts. To much water to watch over. Good thing that you are not going to invade Wolfe Island.

Edit: New map = http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/WolfeIsland.png

Cities
A = Osgrove
B = Gantrickvale
C = New Gantrickwarren
D = Stratwick
E = Osberg
F = Old Timbervasser
G = Hollowberry
H = Old Haven
I = Golden Valley
J = Bydon
K = Osdown
L = Goldenberg
M = Yorkberry
N = Smallpoint
O = Sliccic Grotto
P = Blooming Grotto
Q = Pinefax
S = Jonasdale
R = Smalldale

Army Bases
1 = Base Pineberry
2 = Base Sparrowford
3 = Base Silvervasser
4 = Base Greenford
5 = Base Eagle Grotto
6 = Base Blueton
7 = Base Yorkshaft
8 = Base Timberdale
9 = Base Hollowshine
10 = Base Hawksmouth

Air Force Bases
A1 = Base Firewing
A2 = Base Iceborough
A3 = Base Runedon
A4 = Base Windbee
A5 = Base Habrigcaster
A6 = Base Hammer Gulch
A7 = Base Wildmouth
A8 = Base Byclaw
A9 = Base Ashberry
A10 = Base Sparrowfax

Navy ports
N1 = Port Firefax
N2 = Port Kedalberg
N3 = Port Poundcaster
N4 = Port Tallenberg

If Corpsac gets that, I'll take the southernmost chunk though, or perhaps some area to the West of CorpSac.

No way, i already claimed that land

This is to further clarify my earlier referenced thread and its specific locations. This post merely goes to reassure everyone involved that even though UK troops have landed in that red zone, they are confined to what follows. What would amount to maybe a pixel of that land. That and unlike Kingsland, this plot of land will be developed as time goes on. After all, Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will this place, which the UK calls Kinaylesdon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/fbcatholicsfan/StraitofKinaylesBlownUpwithLocation.jpg

That is the position my "securing a slice of the straits" thread refers to. What follows is a greatly zoomed in image - but note how even still the actual size doesn't warrant a dot on the map overall. ICly, the UK is presuming No Endorse will eventually lay claim/conquer that land though I know OOCly the land will be given to someone else deemed "responsible."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/fbcatholicsfan/KinaylesPeninsula.jpg

The little peninsular outcropping I envision has no natural resources save rocks and a modest sheltered harbour. All of which simply ensures a natural formation that is defensible and the presence of a UK base on such land ensures that nobody can cut Kingsland's inland sea ports (and its capital city) off from the outside world. Both ICly and OOCly I do not intend the presence to expand.

The white to the south and west of the peninsula belongs to whoever ends up with the land, which again the UK ICly envisions ending up in No Endorse hands.

Ok. We'll have a war about the rest of it.

I updated the map, I hope I didn't miss anyone.
And about No endorse getting it, I doubt it. I'm thinking Ramissle will. Don't worry, I wont use my influence over the map. I'll do it the old fashioned way.

EDIT: No endorse, I think we should race for it. First one to have a major influence there, gets it. Or we could just compremise and take seperate parts....

I would like to join the continant. anywhere is fine with me

OOC:
If you're still allowing nations to join, I'd be interested in some land in the south east, by the water. (If possible of course).

of course, both Florintine and Ramissle are invited to send envoys to the UK whenever you want to establish formal treaties of non-aggression and potentially mutual-defence in addition to trade and cultural/diplomatic exchanges.

or if you'd like to do so as bilateral treaties during the naval conference that'd be fine too

im just wondering if anyones willing to come to some form of Trade summit in my nation? i need trade partners.


Intracircumcordie would like to invite a representative from CorpSac to the first International Summit on Global Economics as a discusion point for founding of the International Economic Council. (I.E.C.)

Furthermore any other nations that would like to attend may do so by sending word to Intracircumcordei for RSVP.

Specifically ICCD feels it is of importance to fix the sea boundries between Corpsac and ICCD. We are very interested in trade relations, and greater unity between our two nations.

Actively Seeking allies espeically seeking good relations with the following places:

Florintine, Ramissle, Truitt, Corpsac, Niallnoiglach


Various Information about the ICCD area

Population is almost exclusively housed around the coastal areas, which is the primary agricultural area.

The Island Chain up to corp sac is primarily agriculture based. I'm still not certain on the weather but if it is tropical or subtropical as I hope in the central area then it will be primarily to grow coconut, other various nuts, banana's, citrus fruits, and cane. The Hill and mountainous areas are used to grow various plants such as c cocoa. I would like that highland area(red dot) to be a volcanic system, which is semiactive. The Southern Mountains bordering Ramissle are tropical/subtropical moutainous in the lower areas leading into highland forests which are quite beautiful and house a number of waterfalls. There are no 'major' rivers' but there are a large number of smaller rives Feeding from the northern mountains feeding to the coast.. ICCD maintains a seaport on each of the Islands The second Island in is reserved for state use such as military testing and governmental functions.
The largest of the Islands is the 'sea port' and is a commercial center and the 'main' navy outpost and contains imperial shipyards. The first Island is only 1km from the shore (if posible to edit if there is a greater distance) and there is a tunnel which unites them. It is a highly populated agricultural zone.
The hills highland area contain cultivation of sarson and wheat (for areas below 1,100 metres above sea level.

There are a number of ICCD organized Water Harvesting Systems throughout the hill areas, both for hikers and small level damn irrigation of the highland crops.

The climate itself is much like the Indian subcontinent with the warm waters, acting somewhat like the gulf of Mexico and providing a very rainy eastern coast, with the major rains coming into the southern lush area (if that is ok with Ramissle, as that area would be more prone to tropical storms and 'mini monsoons' blow from the southwest during one half of the year and from the northeast during the other.) Plastic film is at time used in the highlands along with drip Irigation. The Lush coast gives way to tropical forests, and eventually subtropical forested hills the highest land areas (the red and dark brown, tend to be more sparse, with exception to the volcanic area which is very humid and has many trees due to past volcanic soil providing much provision for life except in the near radious but trees tend to be younger in that area.

Most of the areas west of the low and midlands are 'reserve lands' with ES and IIS projects for state development, tourism and specialized land uses. There are a large number of Dian Lions as well in the midlands.

Dian development is most 'underground, with houses being mostly built underground, in modern times this has extended. the exception of course it the main temple like buildings which stretch both bellow and above ground (they are large zigaurauts that have water systems, plants etc.. lining the area. Most 'communities' have a center temple that sometimes people live in. The palaces are truely exceptional like a plain zigauraut but also containing many other structures and sometimes walls, mass expanses of gardens and other structures, the modern ones have communications towers etc.,. but are generally never larger in height than most medium size skyscrappers, like 20 or floors above ground but take up more land but there are only a few of those, with most residential areas going 20 or more floors bellow ground (like 250 meters being a standard deep depth for modern buildings. The older buildings may see as many as 50 meters underground an the oldest ones 10 or more meters, but they are generally historic sites.

The reseach and security locations tend to be very very deep underground resistant to single or even multiple heavy blasts, most of these locations are in the midlands and highlands however, away from the population areas.

ICCD is also a highly green industrialized nation, with most of it's facilities underground, depending on the technology at a different depth. There is extensive use of magnetic materials in ICCD, electronics. I'll see about a seperate factbook entry with more details. ICCD has a very large IT sector, it is 'nearly' a fully socialist state, but it is by voluntary taxes which derives from a historic tithes systm (tax rate currently 80+ %) real tax rate 20% Most 'public transit' is via underground rail.

There are also state run 'highspeed ferries' to the Island chains, oddly the public tends to buy 'military grade' personal vehicles for out of urban areas. The officials who tend to run the farms and non urban plants tend to have 'personal armies'. The government 'is' the strongest party and has support of all the families more or less, but does not exercise great power without the families support. (sorta a latin american family identity)

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Very strong relations with Ramissle and Truitt are very important, more so Ramissle. ICCD's naval forces have two major force descriptions Island and Coastal. The Island Fleet is geared towards patroling the Island areas and is composed of 1 ICCD Star Class Sub/Carrier, a number of Spear Class subs(underwater antiship stealth subs(with missle launching capacity (trident like)
with a large number of 'coastal' more brownwater boats, that's main fighting capacity is medium range missles (around the same effectiveness of aircraft launched missles, that can be assigned for antiair or anti ship (or antiland uses) or small troops transports, it is also equiped with one attack helicopter/vtol aircraft. (perhaps best described as a small missle frigate)

The East Coast Fleet has one Star Class sub/Carrier assigned a number of spear class subs, and brown water craft they are used as 'reserve for Island defence, but are primarily used to support Florintine, Truitt or Xantias forces in keeping the inner area peaceable.

Two other fleets exist one is 'a reserve fleet' which can be assigned to either area.
A number of other vesels exist including some used in international organizations such as the 'surface' response carrier. ICCD doesn't have any battleship or larger ships, as they tend to use missle systems, except some rail/coil systems(primraily on the Star Class sub/carriers designed to attack larger ships from a distance by suprize. The reserve fleet is 'secretive' as it is designed to protect against an attack. (these sea forces may be balanced depending on the militaries of other local parties especially my main sea neightbours. But the main power of the fleet is the star class sub carriers (which are designed to be stealth carrier subs operating stealth aircraft using a variety of (MT) technolgies, although maybe not standard technologies they do exist.

Airforce is scattered at various locations with well over 200 aircraft, with more being added daily)

The Land forces tend to be scattered as well, although they are at most government locations they are organized in a variety of systems. Most 'professional soliders 'Imperial Gaurd' are assigned to state facilities, with the rest doing 'work/training' such as construction, development etc.. as well as military operations exercises (they build both security and economic infrastructure as part of their service up to the Imperial Gaurd at which point, they tend to be advisorial.

The ICCD Security Forces are primarily catagorized as Special Forces/Command Imperial Gaurd, Reenlisted/Mechanized, and Enrolled Infantry. There are also cadet corps. The bulk of forces Infantry and Mechanized, although the 'real' forces would be the Imperial Gaurd, and Command (Airforce, Main Naval Officers, special weapons operators, special forces)

ICCD generally uses special forces for it's non defence oriented operations, and generally does not engage in foreign operations.

It's intended defence would be strong relations. If for some reason any of the major neighbours were hostile then it would most likely cause insecurity, if they were friendly they would not hesitate to increase the security of it's neighbours.

The other concern is access to the external seas via the strip. ICCD feels that that strip is of vital importance to it's international endevours.

This isn't a complete rundown but it is an introduction.

Overall ICCD hold civil rights and political rights very high, so much so that most things are legal, but there are running fueds (like civil war) but not with the state but between citizens, duels also occur. It is very militarized, but the state doesn't control all the fuedal forces, many of the fuedal soilders are Former Infantry with sometimes higher ranking retired officers. There was only one instance that the state was more or less fighting a civil war but it was pretty much extinguished with popular support for the Emperor.

If ICCD were to take any military action it would most likely be to secure all land east of the mountains in Ramissle, but peaceful relations would take this ambition for the most part away. ICCD definately is NOT seeking war.

Good trade relations with Corpsac are desired. Good Naval Relations with Florintine are desired. Peaceful border with Truitt and Ramissle are desired. I as much suggest that Truitt and Ramissle and Intracircumcordei form a tripple land alliance to assist each other in the case any part attack our lands.

I suggest a Naval Alliance between Corpsac, Florintine and Intracircumcordei and perhaps Truitt for mutal Naval defence especially with regard to the Inner Sea where our outlying Islands are.

Secondarily the Inner Sea Nations I seek relations with all. To a lesser extent the outer Nations.

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P.s. any of those outer islands left. the one on the map, was that claimed yet.. It wouldn't hurt to have a small island that can act as a small island (like 20km sq. (12 miles sq) or something, or even smaller if that big one is taken (in their outlying colony areas) How I envision it is a small island that is a coral island maybe right above the E where it say OFF SHORE. It having an natural harbour 1 mile in length. It being extremely deep water in the harbour area and shallow on the other side (towards the OFF SHORE colonies. The island being tropical like Guam or Peurto Rico is what I have in mind, a very beuatiful Island.

Curses. Now I'll need to find some way to bypass the fact that CorpSac is completely blocking my colony's lone exit into the inland sea. I wonder if an alliance would be in order...

Yurka 'technically you arn't blocked off if Corp Sac only recognizes 12 Nuatical Miles, instead you are 'sheltered'

ICCD is willing to enter into a defensive alliance with you as long as you do not initiate a conflict.

ICCD is also willing to enter a trade relationship.

etc.. etc..

you may like to see about a trade relationship 'land route' through Niall Noiglach. Also a strong relationship with them and Amazonian Beasts seems to major issues for you right now, as they are your land borders.

But if there is a war for the rest.. alll you have to do is advance troops south till you hit the outer Ocean...

Added new map

You know what, whoever wants that chokepoint, just take it ICly. Have a war over it. Have a blast.

Mind if I get an island chain a bit north from the Aza (heh, second time) off-shore colony named Rocky Shores Naval Base?

Hmm, I was going to wait a bit to add more stuff, but I guess.

Can someone make a wiki for Irathria? I'd do it, but I HATE the coding in it.

Raven corps bio-weapons facility made!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471005

I can get started on a wiki, just tell me what you'd like in it and I can archive it.


Why not have the choke point as an "Internatinal' zone, like antartica? But only for Irathian Nations?

Of course there is already the push for it, but why not use it as a united defence front against non Irathian Forces?

It could also be a freetrade zone and diplomatic immunity. Perhaps a trade point of the Continent. Perhaps a freecity and the mountain chain. Having it in the hands of any one nation could be a disadvantage. ICCD will send troops to secure it for an interirathian freezone. Claiming everything short of the mountain dropoff - a freezone.

I propose that their be the following zones of control.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/1718/proposedzones8bo.jpg

With group 1 being a resort area. Group 2 being a jointly owned 'major' port facility. Operated by a joint venture. This area would be a free trade zone. Group 3 being an early 'continental security post'

Group 4 being a second such post area.

With Group 5 being a second major port facilility and freezone.

The moutnains could also be used for a number of other uses.

Does anyone contest this development plan and if so what zones do you contest.

There was mention of the UK sending forces to secure the area, can you outline the full intent of control.

ICCD is intent on securing group 1 and group 2. Does anyone object?

Also that unclaimed island in the Island chains will see an ICCD task force if no one objects.



Ramissle: ICCD would also like to propose a new border with Ramissle.
You extend your border further south along the western portion, while ICCD administers the area east of the mountain chain the mountain chain itself can be the new border Right up to the Western River going into Amazonian Beasts.

http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/7571/newborderproposal4pv.jpg

Yay...outside the choke point lol! That's going to be a good spot for Asbena if we could claim that choke point as a toll booth. :X

I can get started on a wiki, just tell me what you'd like in it and I can archive it.


Why not have the choke point as an "Internatinal' zone, like antartica? But only for Irathian Nations?

Of course there is already the push for it, but why not use it as a united defence front against non Irathian Forces?

It could also be a freetrade zone and diplomatic immunity. Perhaps a trade point of the Continent. Perhaps a freecity and the mountain chain. Having it in the hands of any one nation could be a disadvantage. ICCD will send troops to secure it for an interirathian freezone. Claiming everything short of the mountain dropoff - a freezone.

But its so much more fun when someone owns it!

I guess we can decide it during the conference.
But I can't guarentee I won't try to take it over. ;)

And thanks for offering to do the wiki. I was thinking just describe it, add links to the nations, blah blah blah. Stuff like that. I'll add stuff as I see fit.

I can get started on a wiki, just tell me what you'd like in it and I can archive it.


Why not have the choke point as an "Internatinal' zone, like antartica? But only for Irathian Nations?

Of course there is already the push for it, but why not use it as a united defence front against non Irathian Forces?

It could also be a freetrade zone and diplomatic immunity. Perhaps a trade point of the Continent. Perhaps a freecity and the mountain chain. Having it in the hands of any one nation could be a disadvantage. ICCD will send troops to secure it for an interirathian freezone. Claiming everything short of the mountain dropoff - a freezone.
I think the "nuetrality" of that chokepoint would be contested fast...

I think the "nuetrality" of that chokepoint would be contested fast...

Well, think about it as international waters.

I think the "nuetrality" of that chokepoint would be contested fast...


Perhaps but you can't blame me for trying to bring a little bit of security.

I don't see why the 'inner' sea powers would be against a mutal defence as it is fairly important to our international trade exports.

I'm just wondering what the situation looks like as far as intended zones of control even if it isn't an international force.


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Ramissle if you are ok with the land exchange and boundry setting, note you won't be cut off from easy access to trade in the inner sea's I propose a fast rail system just north of the 'major' mountain chain, and a dedicated port facility specifically for your internal trade. The Imperial Port above the Vanua tunnel At Vanua East (near where the 1st Island is (vanua west is on the island) It is a major port area, and would be a mainland trade center.

You know Velkya is going to openly attack Raven corps new production plant right.... It could be very enviormentally devestating

I'm well aware of the consquences, and since I'm right across the water from him, I'm going to spread a neutralizing agent via specilized bombs once the attack has ended or during the attack itself. Once the smoke clears, I'll land troops in and secure the facility.

Perhaps but you can't blame me for trying to bring a little bit of security.

I don't see why the 'inner' sea powers would be against a mutal defence as it is fairly important to our international trade exports.

I'm just wondering what the situation looks like as far as intended zones of control even if it isn't an international force.
I didn't mean it as a bad thing...it'll bring interesting combat probaly.

I made a bigger map and added some countries.
Theres a reason.;)

To Amazonian Beasts:

I'm sure some may enjoy a good old rumble, I just see it as perhaps economically fragile, as an entrenched war in a mountain system could take a while and having naval presence along the entire coast.. while trade continues may cause the inner sea power to desire more stablity in the area, or atleast non threatened passage.


To Transylania: In the event of a war in that area, ICCD would like to secure passage via your coast, and in exchange would go as far as to enter into a defensive agreement to protect your coast, if you are willing to protect our shipping.

To Velkya:

I as well feel somewhat insecure about Raven having the area as a weapons testing range for mass destructive biochemical weapons.

Although ICCD tends to fall short of intervening, as it does not wish to provoke Raven Corps.

We do not have a formal protest to your plans thought ;)

It's still secret IC, so you can't really do anything. Once the bombers come and the factory is leveled, a squadron of fighters will come and drop a neutralizing agent on the ruins so that the viruses, bacteria, and gases inside won't survive.

Just have it a mutual nation area....a seperate nation, run by all the others for the common defense of that area. Talking about the choke-point, of course.

real quick, the issue was brought up about UK intent of control in the straight at Kinaylesdon, just to touch on that (a wee bit busy with school work for tonight after reverting to speech writing mode for another thread.)

Kinaylesdon is a rocky peninsular outcropping on the eastern side of the southern side of the central choke point strait. It is referred to on UK charts as the Straight of Kinayles. Anyway, the peninsula will be an overseas territory of the United Kingdom and will be the base for a patrol force of air, surface, and sub-surface units who will primary act in concert with local forces (yet to be determined I suppose) to provide security for the strait. They will also, and more to the point for their position, provide a force to ensure that in any situation the United Kingdom's commercial shipping cannot be impeded while transiting the strait.

For OOC purposes, it's not a big landmass so whoever ends up with zone of control, I drew an arrow to where this place is in a previous post, the peninsula does not cut into your territory. There is a land border and the territory borders the open sea.

While the UK wouldn't be opposed to the larger area falling under the jurisdiction of a continental oversight body of some sort, the territory of Kinaylesdon will not be yielded by the UK government - then again it is quite small in comparison to the larger landmass. In fact, I intended this afternoon to write about the shipment of a few artillery pieces and missile batteries to the territory (which will, probably a few RL months down the road become a colony as civilians move there, probably no more than a few dozen thousand.) For now a submarine patrols the seas while a small frigate patrols the surface of the strait outside everyone else's borders.

About bombing a neighbour, ie raven corps, the UK will be forced to raise its alert status. While not keen on the whole weapons factory right next door, the UK sees it as sovereign soil of raven corps and will not aid Velkya (not that it was expected mind you.)

Just some quick little thoughts on what I've read, of course a lot has been said since I last posted and it's entirely possible I missed something... if I did, just point it out and I'll respond ASAP

Hey Flor, you can add a landmass to that area on my east coast that used to border the map edge, if you want.

Asbena, it is great to hear you support the plan.

Now all we need is the other interested parties support.

I'm willing to donate forces for the 'International Zone Security Forces' I could donate some ships as well. These are ships that otherwise may be lost attempting to secure it, so why not save our ships and planes, and instead donate the ones we would loose to securing the contitent.

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Azazia ICCD would like to jointly endorse your plan, and enter into a mutual defence of 'free' shipping in the area. It is great to hear you also support the plan for international forces to protect trade access in the area.

:sniper: war, war, war, war, war... :sniper:

I think I'm in the Middle East of nationstates.

real quick, the issue was brought up about UK intent of control in the straight at Kinaylesdon, just to touch on that (a wee bit busy with school work for tonight after reverting to speech writing mode for another thread.)

Kinaylesdon is a rocky peninsular outcropping on the eastern side of the southern side of the central choke point strait. It is referred to on UK charts as the Straight of Kinayles. Anyway, the peninsula will be an overseas territory of the United Kingdom and will be the base for a patrol force of air, surface, and sub-surface units who will primary act in concert with local forces (yet to be determined I suppose) to provide security for the strait. They will also, and more to the point for their position, provide a force to ensure that in any situation the United Kingdom's commercial shipping cannot be impeded while transiting the strait.

For OOC purposes, it's not a big landmass so whoever ends up with zone of control, I drew an arrow to where this place is in a previous post, the peninsula does not cut into your territory. There is a land border and the territory borders the open sea.

While the UK wouldn't be opposed to the larger area falling under the jurisdiction of a continental oversight body of some sort, the territory of Kinaylesdon will not be yielded by the UK government - then again it is quite small in comparison to the larger landmass. In fact, I intended this afternoon to write about the shipment of a few artillery pieces and missile batteries to the territory (which will, probably a few RL months down the road become a colony as civilians move there, probably no more than a few dozen thousand.) For now a submarine patrols the seas while a small frigate patrols the surface of the strait outside everyone else's borders.

About bombing a neighbour, ie raven corps, the UK will be forced to raise its alert status. While not keen on the whole weapons factory right next door, the UK sees it as sovereign soil of raven corps and will not aid Velkya (not that it was expected mind you.)

Just some quick little thoughts on what I've read, of course a lot has been said since I last posted and it's entirely possible I missed something... if I did, just point it out and I'll respond ASAP

I was actually hoping to give my neighbors the land (with the exception of a strip of land to the inner sea) because I have no real use for it.

so long as no harm comes to UK citizens and/or property the UK will consider any bombing raid and/or ground invasion a war between Raven Corps and Velkya. This isn't to say that massive forces won't be mobilised along the Raven Corps border to make sure people don't start crossing into UK territory, but the UK won't get involved.

Raven doesn't actually have a population, just a corporation, I believe.

by people I just meant military/security forces

(Alright, but my aircraft will probably take out any ground vehicles before they can get near your borders.)

What's the name of that river between me and Flor?

EDIT: Flor and Azazia, I've responded in your threads. (It doesn't look like it in the chokepoint one though, cause it was an edi)

This is specifically to:Ramissle, Niall Noiglach, Amazonian Beasts, and Yurka

The map below is the proposed redrawing of the South Easts Borders, to closse out foreign incursion and provide more 'natural' and peaceful borders. Everyone gains land and resources in the process.


If each of you agree then we can have these as our 'new' borders.

It does not seem rational NOT to accept these new borders.
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1047/newborderproposal26yn.jpg
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Note that having more individuals on the contitnent is great, but perhaps we could just extend it further south around Newtdom.

This is specifically to:Ramissle, Niall Noiglach, Amazonian Beasts, and Yurka

The map below is the proposed redrawing of the South Easts Borders, to closse out foreign incursion and provide more 'natural' and peaceful borders. Everyone gains land and resources in the process.


If each of you agree then we can have these as our 'new' borders.

It does not seem rational NOT to accept these new borders.
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1047/newborderproposal26yn.jpg
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Note that having more individuals on the contitnent is great, but perhaps we could just extend it further south around Newtdom.

Looks good, but what is that yellow part in my territory on the left...is that part of Ramissle or just a color glitch?

OOC: Flor, lol, you got the wrong place, I meant Azazia's offshore colony. Sorry for the midunderstanding.

nah that is just left over from the topography..

your border would run along a natural land depression that goes from hilled jungle, to jungle (if that suits your climate etc.. which I'm geussing that you can have the two rivers gaining strength going from the mountain system into the basin.


That yellow is yours. Just the single tone colour would be Ramissles.. actually Ramissle has the most to gain from the situation.

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I've started posting the proposed maps and information at ns wiki so that I don't over clutter the area... they arn't official maps, and are quite messy. Just used to give visual ideas about how I invision area around the ICCD territory. http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Unofficial_Irathian_Continent_Page

I'm okay with moving my border farther North, but I don't really care for the land to the west, some one else can have it.

By the way, do we want to form an alliance to try and gaurunte low tax passage through that unamed straight.

Corpsac, would we be able to create an agreement to allow Airships and Airliners to travel over your nation?
It would include a Non-Agression Pact.

Just curious, could we link in the threads dealing with this continent on the opening page?

If Amazonian Beasts would like it they can have it, however, if niether you nor Amazonian Beasts is interested, then I think it is our best interests to close it out by making it one of my territories, to reduce the risk of destabalization in our area.

Are you refering to Corpsac's Straight or the Inner Outer Straight.

If it is the InnerOuter Straight, Both ICCD and Asbena were interested in a tax free 'inter Irathian free city' with maybe the basic guideline that the only thing 'illegal' is drastic damage to the living environment (including harming other individuals). The city could perhaps have a council elected by residents, with each state having a quota of residents allowable like say 1000 each. So it would be around 20 thousand perminant residents that are electors in the free city for a council of 9 or so people or something to administer city functions, and perhaps an ambassador from each city attached to the international zone. The council would be semi independant, and would promote the continental economy etc..

The 0 tax on trade is a good drawer not only for local nations, but it may attract foreign trade to the area. Of course there would be port fees. as suggested if we all jointly administer a large port with equal shared, it could in part finance our missions. The overall idea is to promote trade, and make sure that are ships can enter and leave the area. Although if a fast current caused by current from rivers comingdown from the mountains crease an outward flowing current, it would be interesting quirk that the waves don't flow into the straight but 'through the straight with a with a very calm area where the northern point is.

As for making this more than 'political activity' I geuss Florintine would have to map it and add it to the main page, when Florintine has the time.

Of course still waiting on Ramissle's approval of the adjustment.

I don't know about that.... I like the shape of my nation right now, very blocky and easy to defend.

And the free city thing sounds cool. Lets save that for the Maritime Confrence though, which I'll probably make tonight.

And the name of that river is the Ronli, btw.

I was going to offer it to Amazonia

When is the Maritime Confrence going to convene, I would like to try and get freedom to bring in a fleet from the East, through the straights, And I think we should also have it cover Aerospace Freedom of Travel

I'll fill in what would have been Ramissles territory and I suggest moving Amazonian Beasts a little more to the north, even with the main river line.

I'm fine with having a land division, since Ramissle isn't up for changing the Ramissles boundry I suggest we just continue without Ramissle in the boundry changes.

I'm all for an air/sea conference. (transportation/movement)

Ok this is prolly my last 'suggestion' map.

*sniff* I so looked forward to the new borders BUT

NOOOOOOooo Ramissle had to foil the peace and security.. and general border advancement.

Here's my last attempt at defining what may actually lead to general equilibrim in the area, except for the north.. cause they are mostly hicks anyway.. heh.


If Amazonian Beasts is acutally 'Amazonian' based I'd like to be bordering them because my own culture is somewhat Amerind / tribal ethinic.

OK the final map borders were advanced to fill in ALL REMAINING Space.

I'd like to shut down mainland new nations areas.. perhaps starting a second zone for new players such as a second Island.

The White area is the area I said I waas going to secure yesterday or the day before. No one raised protest.

As for the new boundries this is what I suggest.. so that we can get the show on the road.

I would ask Ramissle reconsider though.


I added more island to make up for the loss of a land link.

And for those that think it is too much territory.. it ain't, and I find it BS that your confining growth in a fictional enivornment.

I say start a new Island continent for any new nations that come in.

I've been mega posting in this thread I'm anxious to keep the ball roleing.

I'm not sure if I'll stay in this area though, as I've been developing material for the deal that Ramissle wasn't sure about, and if it isn't integrated I may just clone my developmental material and cut loose on the region so I can fully deploy the material I already developed for it.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9488/done9ki.jpg

Rather than wait for Ramissle I've started a thread for the maritime conference and air summit.

Mosse on over you Irathian thugies

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10509083#post10509083

It can be for IC or OOC

I suggest slapping down your agenda maybe with some RPing

so long as no harm comes to UK citizens and/or property the UK will consider any bombing raid and/or ground invasion a war between Raven Corps and Velkya. This isn't to say that massive forces won't be mobilised along the Raven Corps border to make sure people don't start crossing into UK territory, but the UK won't get involved.

OOC: harm would come to them. The plant has a great anit-spill system, but if attacked it could spill a lot of volital chemical into the area. Causing water contamination, and a large illness problem. food sourses would be ruined, waterways unusable, the problems just go on. Anyone near us will be affected by the attack....

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Raven doesn't actually have a population, just a corporation, I believe.


OOC2: correct , Raven corps is purly a corporation. Our " Population is our employee numbers. I could go on about how this is a very good thing but I dont have time.....

In order to help contain any chemicals spilled after the attack we will,with permission of Velkya send a 5000 man team to help contain any spills of chemicals.Noticing how much Raven Corps cares about the enviroment we hope that he accepts the men onto his land after the attack.We will however need a safe area for our men to set up base.We would also like to let the other nations of Irathria know that we will try everything in our power to limit any enviromental damage done but the destruction of this facility is nessesary.Raven Corps would be building NBC weapons at his facility which may attack my or other allied nations with.Further more we ask all nations to cut all ties with Raven Corps.

Oh, I guess.

But no little island. I'm saving that for something special that doesn't have anything to do particularly with me.

In order to help contain any chemicals spilled after the attack we will,with permission of Velkya send a 5000 man team to help contain any spills of chemicals.Noticing how much Raven Corps cares about the enviroment we hope that he accepts the men onto his land after the attack.We will however need a safe area for our men to set up base.We would also like to let the other nations of Irathria know that we will try everything in our power to limit any enviromental damage done but the destruction of this facility is nessesary.Raven Corps would be building NBC weapons at his facility which may attack my or other allied nations with.Further more we ask all nations to cut all ties with Raven Corps.


We would not have to worry of spills if it is not attacked. Little does Velkya know , that my facility has back up anti-air systems. Once the first attack hit the secondary will spring to life and attack. As many have seen our air defence is top notch and would be extremely effective.

Ok this is prolly my last 'suggestion' map.

*sniff* I so looked forward to the new borders BUT

NOOOOOOooo Ramissle had to foil the peace and security.. and general border advancement.

Here's my last attempt at defining what may actually lead to general equilibrim in the area, except for the north.. cause they are mostly hicks anyway.. heh.


If Amazonian Beasts is acutally 'Amazonian' based I'd like to be bordering them because my own culture is somewhat Amerind / tribal ethinic.

OK the final map borders were advanced to fill in ALL REMAINING Space.

I'd like to shut down mainland new nations areas.. perhaps starting a second zone for new players such as a second Island.

The White area is the area I said I waas going to secure yesterday or the day before. No one raised protest.

As for the new boundries this is what I suggest.. so that we can get the show on the road.

I would ask Ramissle reconsider though.


I added more island to make up for the loss of a land link.

And for those that think it is too much territory.. it ain't, and I find it BS that your confining growth in a fictional enivornment.

I say start a new Island continent for any new nations that come in.

I've been mega posting in this thread I'm anxious to keep the ball roleing.

I'm not sure if I'll stay in this area though, as I've been developing material for the deal that Ramissle wasn't sure about, and if it isn't integrated I may just clone my developmental material and cut loose on the region so I can fully deploy the material I already developed for it.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9488/done9ki.jpg
My culture is more modern but the original history is from the South American Amazon. So there is still some of the history and culture left in, just mixed in with some modernization.

I'm good with those borders though...in fact, those are better for me, becuase now I have coastline on the inner sea as well.

Lets not talk about the Raven Corps situation here.
K?

To Transylvania: In the event of a war in that area, ICCD would like to secure passage via your coast, and in exchange would go as far as to enter into a defensive agreement to protect your coast, if you are willing to protect our shipping.

Don’t know what you are talking about. Plus, I don’t think war will break out in my waters or near my water. Plus, I have those coastal guns (Think modern day version of the huge WWII coastal guns) guarding my southern, eastern and west coast line.

Ah, would I know their range? Just wondering. If the southside of the 'chokepoint' became conflicted then it may make ship trade routes along your coast more profitable.

Would you be willing to allow shipping along your coast? That is fine that you may not require Naval Allies (from the likes of me).

It just happens that you are the closest to the south side and as such you make a VERY ood ally at this point to insure economic stability on out of area trade.

Amazonian Beasts et al:

Here is the iccd borders drawn on the elevation? map .. note I've added some things to this. The rivers that go into your territories of course can be changed, I did a bunch of 'smaller' rivers. The darkblue rivers that show up I am geussing are 'larger' rivers like big ones Amazon Nile etc.. The light blue rivers are still 'larger' rivers but not world scale, of course there would be a handful of even smaller rivers.

The Black line in the Sea is ICCD's stated maritime enforcement zone (i.e. no fishing or drilling etc..) Allied and peaceful state ships will not be attacked in the zone if they are traveling with legitimate reason. Two international Corridors go through these areas these areas are generally 'not policed' and open to generally all but wartime enemies to travel through this area unharassed. However, ICCD also considers these areas non'blockadable' and will attempt to enforce it as 'free' waters should anyone attempt to blockade the area.

Any topography changes in others territories that would rather NOT be that way just change it. I tried to alter the map to have 'natural' boundries.

Note my culture takes from the INCA's and other central american cultures / pacific islanders and prehistory and early histories of various cultures with a more 'roman imperial' mishmash. The architecture and eating habits are a mix of East and West Indian(India, Inca, Aztec, Mayan, Carib etc.. )

However ICCD also would be technologically equivlent to the likes of the EU, Japan, US etc.. having some of it's unique cultural technologies especially sanitary, and agriculture, and building as far as social.. etc.. etc.. it is best described as a revolutionary democratic socialist imperium.



http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5738/newroughmap9me.jpg

Yurka's culture is a mess, but I would say as far as the mindset goes its more or less like a modern Japan turned feudalism. They're also over 99%+ the same ethnicity, as foreigners are considered barbarians by and large, mainly due to the fact that a war left most of Yurka's old boundaries an inhospitable radioactive hellscape. Honor is most important, followed by complete and utter loyalty. Appearance is also massively important, and losing face is one of the biggest concerns for most of the higher class. Right now, after purging themselves of foreign ideas, the major religion is a form of Shamanism, though this is about equal to Atheism, which is also prevalent...

Or something. Now for alliances.

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Imperial Statement to Intracircumcordei
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We would graciously accept such an alliance with ICCD. As to a trade relationship, we will make such things known to Niall Noiglach soon to see if such a trade pact will be possible. We ourselves feel that we have much to offer, especially in a defensive alliance between our two peoples. As to Amazonian Beasts, we shall contact them as well, and hopefully through this will be able to more safetly concentrate on our Empire's other business with far less tension in the air.

Yurkan Foreign Ministry


Imperial Statement to Niall Noiglach
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The Eternal Empire of Yurka would be grateful to know if creating a land based trade route through your territory to ICCD would be possible. To offset this burden, we would be willing to offer a full defensive alliance should you be attacked. If you this is alright, please feel free to mention any other concerns or issues you would like to address at this time.

Yurkan Foreign Ministry


Imperial Statement to Amazonian Beasts
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The Eternal Empire of Yurka would be pleased to start a defensive and trade alliance with your territory, and perhaps request land based trade routes to our other ally, Intracircumcordei. If there are any issues you would like to discuss before such an alliance can be created, feel free to ask.

Yurkan Foreign Ministry

Official Governmental Statement to the Yurkan Foreign Ministry

The Dominion of Amazonian Beasts would be delighted to initiate trade routes and alliances with your esteemed nation, and would like to here what sort of terms would come with the alliance.

-Dominion Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Note: I've claimed that peak high-ish place at the S end of the chokepoint. Sanderburg apparently has some of this. Could you not add anyone in that space (or map revisors, could you not increase anyone's borders to there) until that gets sorted out ICly/OOCly? Thanks a lot, I'd just like to speak with Sanderburg bout it.

EDIT:
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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/anomaly149/Random/3227f87e.jpg

See? I'm willing to compromise both ICly and OOCly. I'd just like to bring up the issue.

Wasn't that supposed to be nuetral territory?

:cool: Its no fun that way. This'll give us a good RP to start off on. If the DM *points @ Flor* doesn't like it, I'll yank it. However, otherwise I'm going through with it.

Wow, once again, I find myself inactive for a weekend and half of the week and this place grows to high Hell. Nice to see improvement, but I will have to abandon my conquests against Xantias, sorry for any of those who might have wanted it to happen.

I'll have some catching up to do.....then maybe I'll cause havoc.

Uh, sure. Whatever. Discuss it an the conference.

Note: I've claimed that peak high-ish place at the S end of the chokepoint. Sanderburg apparently has some of this. Could you not add anyone in that space (or map revisors, could you not increase anyone's borders to there) until that gets sorted out ICly/OOCly? Thanks a lot, I'd just like to speak with Sanderburg bout it.

EDIT:
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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/anomaly149/Random/3227f87e.jpg

See? I'm willing to compromise both ICly and OOCly. I'd just like to bring up the issue.

Oky doky it was overdrawn on the map to include two areas my forces are operating in.. that map was drawn fast... corections to the left side are on the topopographic one.. the area would be..

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8351/borderand5groups7gu.jpg
and yes Sanderburg hasn't replied yet, it was just a suggestion.. if sanderburg isn't interested I suggest it go to Corpsac

Yurka, I am willing to Propose the building of a Canal to bypass Corpsac's control of the straights, please conact me if interested

Well, I envisioned somethign more like it inccluding that green point there too, but no matter. I can deal with either. I just don't want to step on his toes.

Niall Noiglach. We would be more than interested in building such a thing, and have enough manpower to begin construction whenever you would like. Of course you would be helping, and the Eternal Empire would be able to access it without toll, as we plan on paying more than half of the costs, correct?

Official Response to Amazonian Beasts Ministry of Foreign Affairs
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We would like to open up tariff free trade with your populace, and would like to have a direct railway line built to connect our two borders. As for military alliances, we would be more than happy to defend eachother, and should any possible opponent present itself, help in eliminating them before they become a threat to our stability. Other than that, we are open to anything you would like to discuss.

Yurkan Foreign Ministry

On that note we are also willing to take prisoners off of our allies' hands, paying one hundred USD a head. Of course we will also pay all the expences to have them moved to our colony as well.

No need for that, we have plenty of labor camps for them to serve in.

OOC: The map is not being accepted by the hosting place, so I will just have to say that it runs across the narrowest peice of land between the Western Coast, and extends to exit just above the "H: on the Coninent's map. I would gladly accept your support.

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Irathia = Dian's Spelling of "Irathria" (r isn't a strong usage for dians they tend to speak soft language except at the the 'first syllable)
Imperial Statement to Intracircumcordei
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We would graciously accept such an alliance with ICCD. As to a trade relationship, we will make such things known to Niall Noiglach soon to see if such a trade pact will be possible. We ourselves feel that we have much to offer, especially in a defensive alliance between our two peoples. As to Amazonian Beasts, we shall contact them as well, and hopefully through this will be able to more safetly concentrate on our Empire's other business with far less tension in the air.



The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei Imperial Responsalis
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It is wonderful that you are interested in strengthening our relations, both in potential trade, and mindfully a defensive alliance.

In other matters, we are wondering what Yurka's position is on the Irathian Straight known popularly as 'the chokehold'. We value your opinion in the situation as we are attempting to repsond taking everyones opinion in mind.

We would like to send an official Envoy to establish an Embassy with the following designates:

- Cheif Amban of the Yurka Mission (operates mission cheif diplomat in Yurka - ambassador in ordinary)

-Apocrisiarius for Yurka(Handles 'state affiars' formal affairs high diplomat)

-Cheif Consul for Yurka (Cultural Exchange Oragnizers, handles passports visas, and Trans-governmental matters)

-Migration officer - specifically administers visas and passports under the Consul

-Bailo for Yurka(Handles Economic Affairs)

- trading consul specifically handles import and export

-Legate for Yurka(officially handles treaties and other matters)

-Jurisconsult for Yurka(legal advisor on Yurkan Law)

-Military Consul for Yurka(will be the caretaker and contact for the defensive alliance with Yurka or any other military activities involving Yurka)

-With the posibiity of a few other Ministers and Attaches as required in our evolving relationship. It would be wonderful if we could find a home to the Envoy, if posible we will purchase some land or a building in your Nation, according to your law if posible.

As translated for the Dian logothete of the drome speaking for the Emperor Totus Fides

Ah, would I know their range? Just wondering.

Just picture about ten of this big guns (http://user.mc.net/~hawk/biggun.htm) in a housing on the eastern, western, and southern coastline. The rest of them are 200 mm or 300mm guns. I don’t know the range of them but I know they have big range of fire.

Would you be willing to allow shipping along your coast? That is fine that you may not require Naval Allies (from the likes of me).

The only ships allowed in my waters are Dominion Naval ships, Wolfe Island fishing ships, Timber Wolf Inc. ships, and the ships the other companies that are owned by TWI. So…if anything else (That is not on my little list) gets into my waters, they become target practice after getting one warning to leave the waters.

Sorry for not posting any sooner, the phone line at the house is messed up. We will try and fix it some time tomorrow.

Hopefully everything sorts out alright with your phone issue, thanks for the info. I'm geussing if it is cutting edge between 150-300+ km if rocket based with potential for guidance systems. "BUY YOU GOT THE MAPS ALRIGHT! RIGHT! I'm on a slow speed cable modem, that has issues every now and then.


What do you consider your waters in that area?

Can we buy or lease any Dominion Naval ships, Wolfe Island fishing ships, Timber Wolf Inc. ships, and the ships the other companies that are owned by TWI.

Or is there some way to buy shipping rights through your area? Or secure trade relations?

Thanks for the info. I'm geussing if it is cutting edge between 150-300+ km if rocket based with potential for guidance systems. "BUY YOU GOT THE MAPS ALRIGHT! RIGHT! I'm on a slow speed cable modem, that has issues every now and then.

Maybe, good to hit anything that gets in my waters. The range with the big ones is going to be double that. And my big guns are 40 inches ones.

What do you consider your waters in that area?

12 nm on each side of Wolfe Island.

Can we buy or lease any Dominion Naval ships, Wolfe Island fishing ships, Timber Wolf Inc. ships, and the ships the other companies that are owned by TWI.

Nope on the Dominion Naval ships (Why would I lease out the island's navy?). Same thing about the TWI ships and thier other ships because they are owned by the Count (He owns TWI.). Wolfe Island fishing ships are small boats used to catch fish, so nothing to

Or is there some way to buy shipping rights through your area? Or secure trade relations?

No way on the shipping rights through my waters because we have control the waters for 200 years.

Now about trade relations, Wolfe Island gets everything from the Dominion. So...they would not be anything they would need.

Um, it looks like I'm not gonna be that active this weekend. Depends on how many parties I crash. So, TG me anything you need me to do. If someone else can do it, talk to them.

Oh, and bump.

bump

12 nm on each side of Wolfe Island.

Eh, I couldn't fit a ship inside 12 nanometers regardless. heh.

Really thogh aroun 25km. Is that the limit of your sole mineral and fishing rights as well?

Eh, I couldn't fit a ship inside 12 nanometers regardless. heh.

Really thogh aroun 25km. Is that the limit of your sole mineral and fishing rights as well?
Nautical Miles. Wow.

Intracircumcordie would like to invite a representative from CorpSac to the first International Summit on Global Economics as a discusion point for founding of the International Economic Council. (I.E.C.)

Furthermore any other nations that would like to attend may do so by sending word to Intracircumcordei for RSVP.

Specifically ICCD feels it is of importance to fix the sea boundries between Corpsac and ICCD. We are very interested in trade relations, and greater unity between our two nations.

Actively Seeking allies espeically seeking good relations with the following places:

Florintine, Ramissle, Truitt, Corpsac, Niallnoiglach

*SNIP*



The Corporate States is willing to open talks over the North east Isles, this disputed region must be sorted out befor un-happy acidents start happening.

The Corporate States Goverment also feels the need for Trade Relations with the outsiders is needed, a major inbound trade for us will be food stuffs of all kinds, and the people who sell us food would inturn become some of our gratest allies (you dont piss off the hand that feeds ya).

OO:C anyway im away at the momnet, TG me the link to talks and such. and someone fill me in with whats going on whats good whats bad...and if ive been comdenmed for Genocide of lots of people from my invasion of the south States of the Corporate States.

Eh, I couldn't fit a ship inside 12 nanometers regardless. heh.

Really thogh aroun 25km. Is that the limit of your sole mineral and fishing rights as well?

Like Florintine said, nm means nautical miles. Anything in my water is mine. Plus, my fishing boats do fish outside my waters.

[QUOTE=CorpSac]talks over the North east Isles

We propose a North East Isles Summit
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10528883#post10528883

Trade Relations: food stuffs
We can provide an abundance of citrus fruits, banana's, pinapple, bread fruits, coconut, cane, rice and corn in addition spices, and coffee, as well as a host of other edibles, either on a freemarket or contract quotaed basis.

Azazia(UK) and No Endorse are appear to be cooperating to control the Chokehold. I (ICCD) has secured a number of points in the area, no open warfare at this time between the parties there. The conference is going with a number of items, Secretly (sorta it wasnt intended but I'm not sure if the monitoring systems would have recorded the discussion..?) Yurka and Nial are perhaps planning a 'canal' to by pass your straight. The Koryan's are stating nuetrility in the Chokehold area etc.. Transylvania has stated a 12 n.m. seazone (around 25 km) ICCD has stated a much larger EEZ zone. (exclusive economic zone) but has opened up two international corridors for ships as well as offering a number of treaty options for open movement.

ect..

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471740
Ramissle and I have merged. Yay!

[QUOTE=CorpSac]talks over the North east Isles

We propose a North East Isles Summit
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10528883#post10528883

Trade Relations: food stuffs
We can provide an abundance of citrus fruits, banana's, pinapple, bread fruits, coconut, cane, rice and corn in addition spices, and coffee, as well as a host of other edibles, either on a freemarket or contract quotaed basis.

Azazia(UK) and No Endorse are appear to be cooperating to control the Chokehold. I (ICCD) has secured a number of points in the area, no open warfare at this time between the parties there. The conference is going with a number of items, Secretly (sorta it wasnt intended but I'm not sure if the monitoring systems would have recorded the discussion..?) Yurka and Nial are perhaps planning a 'canal' to by pass your straight. The Koryan's are stating nuetrility in the Chokehold area etc.. Transylvania has stated a 12 n.m. seazone (around 25 km) ICCD has stated a much larger EEZ zone. (exclusive economic zone) but has opened up two international corridors for ships as well as offering a number of treaty options for open movement.

ect..


The Canal is already under construction. We had no itention of hiding it (see the maritime confrence) as it would be quite visible form the air. Wether CorpSac aproves or not is not my concern, merely a fair market so that others may choose wether or not to use his straight or my Canal. My only concern is that CorpSac stays within his borders. Otherwise, my hiden border guards will have something to say about it.

OOC: I guess it went unheard, but could we post all the links to events ocurring within the coninent on one post. It is to cumbersome to try and search the forums every time. It would facilitate all.

I already have a map of my nation but it is not part of a continent. Perhaps it could be added on to this one? Prefferably not in middle of the continent, I would like it if it were tucked in one of the four corners...

The Map is in my sig...

what's the scale?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471740
Ramissle and I have merged. Yay!
My only comment is I find it pathetic you stacked yourself with two states mapped it out THEN merged the two.

Very pathetic.

I already have a map of my nation but it is not part of a continent. Perhaps it could be added on to this one? Prefferably not in middle of the continent, I would like it if it were tucked in one of the four corners...

The Map is in my sig...


I say you should just be able to plop yourself down somewhere.. maybe off someones outer coast, whats your climate ect.. it can make more sense where you would be....

Ah I wont do a florintine joke. #3?

If you arn't floritine or a ramissle puppet raise your hand?

Why did you put both there....

My only comment is I find it pathetic you stacked yourself with two states mapped it out THEN merged the two.

Very pathetic.
I didn't mean for that to happen. Really, I didn't. I started RPing with Florintine, realized that I couldn't RP with like, no military, put Ramissle in, and put the two together. I really didn't mean for it to be unfair, it just ended up that way. Now, yesterday, my plan was to take half of it and put it up for grabs, but I forgot too, so I'll do that now.

Besides, its not like you didn't know Florintine was a puppet in the first place. I mean, unless your THAT BAD at understanding sarcasm. lol


Oh, and,
NEW ISLANDS!!
(yay!)

I added a crapload of islands to the continent to make it look better and to add some strategy. I'll be taking islands FAIR AND SQUARE, just like you guys.

That's good to see....maybe I should go grab more!

Well, you guys better start RPing takeover threads, because this land is gonna go FAST!

I'm more or less souping up my massive nation-colony and building the Canal. Much too busy to go taking over landmasses. Its not as if I need the strait, since I can bypass it by shipping things from the Northern Ports to the Southern ones by train. With the Canal I also have a free and quicker outlet to ship things to the west.

Expect a map soon. Since my western allies seem to have alot of jungle, I suppose that will factor into how the map is.

I'm going after those islands to the east of Wolfe Island. That is, if my phone line at home (Where are of my data is located at) starts working. Got to check one thing to see if the problem is on my side or it is on the phone company's side.

I'm fine with the spot of land I originally claimed, I'd rather have an empty slot next to me.

I'm fine with the spot of land I originally claimed, I'd rather have an empty slot next to me.
?

Flor just stuck a big addition to Velkya to the east of me, which I'd rather see as a different nation.

Ah.
I'll fix that when I get the time.

... hmm, strange rearrangement. Were I to gain the areas blocking No Endorse from the South Sea, I would have no reason to continue to try to claim that strait. Anyone who wanted it could have most of it, I'd settle for those islands there just to the left. This is a very strange occurance.

I shall post some images of potential NE holdings in the area. (areas I'd go after under this arrangement)

EDIT: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/anomaly149/Random/newNE.jpg

EDIT EDIT: you'd think that most of Irathria didn't trust me :p

Also, you can shorten a bit/legnthen a lot the ammount of that peninsula Flor used control that I'm going after. (I just don't want the whole thing, too vulnerable) Or should that area be ICd?

I plan on claiming those islands close by to my main continent because traditionally I have rped as having many border islands. If I can just do it here, thats great...if not I'll rp it, but I doubt there would be much contention.

RP it please. Much more exciting, and more potential for disaster.

Fair enough, do those islands have a name yet? Or shall I name them?

for all those interested, I have the map of my nation done, including the location of the canal. The image sucks, nut it is what I have.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e77/Ard_Ri_Niall/MapofNiall.jpg

You name them. After all, if you take them, there yours.

EDIT: What are those orangey things? I can make a map for you if you want.

Yurka's Gemeo Colony is currently willing to purchase prisoners who are on death row or otherwise need to be seperated from the rest of your society personally. We will be willing to pay 200 USD a head along with transporting them for free to our colony. Once thats finalised your government will have to sign papers saying they were executed.

Yurka's Gemeo Colony is currently willing to purchase prisoners who are on death row or otherwise need to be seperated from the rest of your society personally. We will be willing to pay 200 USD a head along with transporting them for free to our colony. Once thats finalised your government will have to sign papers saying they were executed.

Doesn't that violate human rights placed down by the UN?

Not if hes not in the UN.

Can we claim the area next to Velkya as a colony? if not stick us down anywhere really.

Can we claim the area next to Velkya as a colony? if not stick us down anywhere really.

That area is being removed....

Ramissile it still applies to nations though, and they have a right to declare war on a nation who is abusing human rights in such a manner as this. Even a slave trade BETWEEN nations or for other purposes, and falsifaction of information to boot.

So I am assuming noone is contesting my invasion...?

So I am assuming noone is contesting my invasion...?

Where? Info plz.

That area is being removed....

No, it's simply not claimed now.

RP it please. Much more exciting, and more potential for disaster.

In progress at that maritime summit thread, mozy on over if ya feel like it.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10537592&postcount=39

EDIT: Valoria (the NE colony at the chokepoint) is still in the process of being obtained. That's how much I actually expected to gain in an attempted takeover, and is the lowest limit of what my nation will accept.

So I am assuming noone is contesting my invasion...?
I will...

That area is being removed....

Ramissile it still applies to nations though, and they have a right to declare war on a nation who is abusing human rights in such a manner as this. Even a slave trade BETWEEN nations or for other purposes, and falsifaction of information to boot.
It is? I thought someone else was taking it? I didn't know i was taking it out. Interesting.

Ahh, I get it. But its not like thousands of dont get away with stuff like that (cough cough) DOOMINGSLAND!

bump

that archipelago off the northwest coast of Ramisslian Florentine and just south of Kingsland (the name for the UK territory in Irathria) is being occupied by UK troops in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10538848#post10538848)

I'm hoping to add a bit more detail tomorrow when I get back from work, but for now the strength is approximately 2,000 men supported by two FFGs, eight OPVs, and RAF overflights and the patrol of two coastal SSKs. Every IC hour cargo aircraft are flying out of Charlotte and Port Melbourne dropping things such as artillery pieces and light tanks in addition to airborne troops.

Starting Soon, The Search for A Bride, and a Queen.

Aidan, the Heir to the throne, and future Ard Ri (High King), is searching for a bride. She must be smart, funny, and fairly strong willed. Please respond on the thread I will start for this.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10538998#post10538998

All those from this continent will gain an automatic Invite

Niall, the only character I have who might meet that would be my ministress of Foreign Relations, and I like her. Plus I'm swamped with RPs right now, plus school, so I'll have to pass.

Azazia, would your nation agree to a treaty granting No Endorse the right to sail from the south of No Endorse proper to the open sea? I know that would most likely violate your territorial waters in the area, and I REALLY don't want to get into a water dispute.

I'm internested in the RP...will reply on your post and also telegram you about it.

Is it avalable or not? if not can we claim any land mass of simular size? I'll make a big IC post once I know the details...we just don'y want to be land locked preferably

OOC: Ha you put islands through the international zone...... there is def a issue with that if it is a closed border.

1293:
The 28th Imperial Crafters group with permission of the Indi's of the South West Island of Palamos set out on a journ de fair of Integration of the large Island as a new Dian Provience.

"Your Excellence we welcome you with open arms"

"Thankyou King PuPutua, may our interactions together bring peace and harmony.

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During the Argonst Wars the Islands between Farland and Oldehearth became engaed in a bitter war. Many lives were lost in what prooved to be the Second Kingdoms longest and bloodiest wars. In the End the two waring nations ended up shearing the Islands for one purpose or another. It was agreed at the end in the Truce of Holfhaven that the Island zone between Ramissle and Intracircumcordei would be open to both parties and the small Island in the center of the zone would remain a place where Ramissle and The Holy Empire could discus peace talks and other trade groups. The long building that rests on the Island of Grotese is that very same building that was orgiinally shew together in a tent and later built into a large complex hosting countless trade meetings and other talks over the past 1000 years.

:As Stated in another thread on the small Island in the offshore:

Just Prior the chokehold dropoffs a the second naval second group dropped off personnel and equipment along the coast, then 'steamed' off towards the Offshore Island. Supplies were offloaded along with an engineering brigade.


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For Any Islands not claimed, ICCD will consider claiming, I'm geussing they will be. Ramissle I added some history to our interactions which ended up being that we peacefully allow one another to use the cross section between our two Island system, I understand that youd like a sea link (I thought the international zones would do.. but I geuss not..) So that changes what I said before about the international zones. cause there is a hunk of islands in them now.

Did you manage to find a spot for that new player?

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/695/newzones1nb.jpg

The circles are areas that if Corpsac doesn't claim ICCD will respond accordingly. Rather than sending out thousands of ships I thought I'd give time for the majority of the Islands... I note I didn't etend the island as a single land mass, I think there are too many islands in the area. just didn't feel like pixeling each thing too much of a time waste.

Is it avalable or not? if not can we claim any land mass of simular size? I'll make a big IC post once I know the details...we just don'y want to be land locked preferably

IMO just plop yourself down somewhere. probably best to be outside the inner sea area somewhere otherwise it wont be much of an inner sea!!!
It will more so be that land of many saltwater rivers.


P.s. ramissle that island in the center between us, can you sink that or make it much smaller, otherwise it basically redoes the complexity of realism of the area by having a more'landlocked territories on the inner area, except for yourself, and even though you got rid of North Florintine, you added twice the ammount of land elsewhere, not that i have a problem with you having lots of land, just that if the area wasn't open it really closes down the interior and you being generally nuetral it imo doesn't work. Maybe even too many islands. I highly suggest you make a much smaller island in the cross section. Unless your trying to causes hostility in the area as this is the second such time you've mapped sea boundries away from the original area, that was originally open sea, it doesn't have sense for me to have a landlocked territory in the middle of the area.

That area is being removed....

Ramissile it still applies to nations though, and they have a right to declare war on a nation who is abusing human rights in such a manner as this. Even a slave trade BETWEEN nations or for other purposes, and falsifaction of information to boot.

ooc: You havn't been to jail before have you? Jails in this area arn't legal, for instance they refuse to give you a shower if you don't clean the cell you are held in. Technically it is against human rights laws to force any labour against an individuals will, and occupying states are required to pay for any such employment. Of couse they also starve you as well, and the system is set up to punish even those before trial that are suppose to be innocent (they treat individuals as guilty, for instance in my last trial I wasn't convicted but I was still held for over two months, I was starved, had my wrist damaged, was fed food contrary to my diet, refused contact with the ombudsman, the chaplain and they tried to force medication on me, of course i the charges were dropped a few months latter, and I was found both fit to stand trial and CR, it is complete bolocks. The US is a human rights offender wage slavery is equivlent to indentured servatude, work for welfare programs are a new name for slavery etc.. etc.. not that i receive gov. funds (although I could be collecting checks if I felt like it ) all this BS you see about the UN, human rights, amnestry international etc.. it's all BS, it is just the places they choose to attack, it's a political game, not on a basis of the situation, they do nothing unless it is in their interest, they allow attrocities and other. In the game it may be a different issue but I know in real life the 'law' as it appears as propaganda, and the law as it is exercised are two different things. the government and world organizations are criminal and neglectful.

Government is mostly a sharade they are totally illegal in these parts, the justice system, the judges, corrections the cops, as a whole they don't do it by the book, it is simply how much they can get away with, everything is a personal vandetta they don't have a spec of humanity, they are all insane.

So I am assuming noone is contesting my invasion...?

Of the islands off your coast. go right ahead as far as ICCD is concerned.

Here is a a new map with some names, if they are legible, east area has a bit of history to it.

If anyone contests these areas say and I'll start up threads from their historic points.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5060/withnames7yh.jpg

The way I am seeing the area, is that it is both a colonial area, and there is some territories such as Transylvania perhaps Absena Koryan, ICCD, Newtland and Florintine and perhaps others that have been in the area for a while.

There are also some 'colonial' powers such as Ramissle (unless this is their native area) Raven corps and perhaps some others that are more so 'colonial" although I'm not sure about this this is just what it seems to me at this point.

I'm geussing 'T' will end up get the islands around wolfe unless someone tries to stop them.. Corpsac will get the islands around them.. if not then I am going to state a claim and if anyone else does then we can start a thread...

I've claimed the big Island of Palamos (which is a pretty big grab) as well as the Island chain that I made back a while ago, but it appears to be altered.. I 'd like if it was reduced to what it was before but I geuss Rami would like to have bunch there too so I made up the Argathe wars that happened a milenia ago ending after 100 or so years in a peace as other conflicts and issues required peace, since then Ramissle and Oldhearthe (a province and the old kingdom of ICCD) have been at peace with sealane treaty ect. unless ramissle would rather just have ongoing bloody warfare in the area. I need a sealane none the less and a deepwater sea lane at that otherwise it changes my navy completely as I need room for a large tankers and subs.


If Ramissle has an issue with me tweaking for integation just say but at the least I need deep water and a sealane so the Argathe peace treaty makes the most sense for keeping some consistense with what was already written.


"Also Ramissle if your interested in a 'North For South Trade' It may make things allot more 'ordered' just an offer. That I I lob off a chunk of land to the Vocanic mountains you lob off the connection to the south and the islands you have mingling in that area as a bulk transfer and I move the Lorne and Temporasis territories down south."

Yes i know you like your boundries but this may make it better for us both that way you have a contiguous boundry with Truitt

like for instance
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/430/wank9ou.jpg

On that note, I've just aquired a large shipment of those people I requested, so nobody has to worry about any of that. Hmm territories... Territories...


@Asbena: No... Yurka is neither a member of the UN, nor a Democracy in the conventional sense. We view all rights as something which can be taken away. What many nations consider "human rights" are essentially the same things.

On that note maps were never meant to be made on a .jpg. O_o

One could argue over the rights though, this action is not legal in our nation, so Yurka is out of luck here.

I wonder if they would mind if the Black Agents get the Island at the bottom. We are in need of new training grounds for our Guild Agents....

I wonder if they would mind if the Black Agents get the Island at the bottom. We are in need of new training grounds for our Guild Agents....

if someone could provide me a link to where these cannals were mentioned then i can post the Corporate States responce (well basicly slapping 2 Carrier groups at one end and blocking them...the corporations dont like goverments trying to screw them over....not one bit), not only that but Shadow runner teams would start to well..kill off the workers and there familys and pets. Ofcorse if you nations smart and informs the Corporate States of the plans you have...and offer some form of compensation to the Corporations that would be at a lose then its more then likely the corporations will forget this little misunderstanding.


Also Intracircumcordei, corse im going to claim them islands around me, i have just over 5 billion people on such a small bit of land.....it wont be long till i start making allainces and plunging this Contient into a massive war..for no reason other then to gain land and make money....just like corporations should), for now CorpSac claims the islands but hasnt cleared them out, lets just say the natives have been...informed that they need to leave. Ships and fighters illl be patroling them islands.

Well. Now I know another elite ops units is in the area. If you give me one, I could train them even better. You give me a killing mechian, I'll give you a gencider.

Why all the agents and stuff all of a sudden...this is supposed to not be a training ground...

No, It is for TBA. I control A rogue Agent named Agies. And his rogue Agency. They would train The shadow runners to be highly letahl people even to thier own it they dont control them.....

No, It is for TBA. I control A rogue Agent named Agies. And his rogue Agency. They would train The shadow runners to be highly letahl people even to thier own it they dont control them.....

I so want to bomb your 'factory' off this continent with a barrage of missiles....

has he attacked you?

has he attacked you?

?! What's this? *pokes the 1 post noob*

why did you poke me....:( . your mean..... no but seriously, I use to play a long time ago. I was the REdeported Cubans way back, now I am The mexicans....

why did you poke me....:( . your mean..... no but seriously, I use to play a long time ago. I was the REdeported Cubans way back, now I am The mexicans....

Uh....sure? What's the matter? Raven corps is not exactly trusted in the eyes of my people.

No, It is for TBA. I control A rogue Agent named Agies. And his rogue Agency. They would train The shadow runners to be highly letahl people even to thier own it they dont control them.....


no shadow runners are not a Special Ops unit, there well...look at the link in my sig. Plus i dont "control" shadow runners, they are just part of the Corporate States, just like all the Corporations, the nly difference is they em...have speical rights (like ignoring all corporate Laws but a few)

No really, try to login under Redeported Cubans and it will say I have ceaseed to exist....

No really, try to login under Redeported Cubans and it will say I have ceaseed to exist....


*sigh* You can still log into the forum with your account and password even after the nation is gone. Also you can ask a Mod to let the nation be active again for nationstates.

I know but I didn't want to.

On that note maps were never meant to be made on a .jpg. O_o
I'll get that added. I guess I should try to host the bmp files somewhere so its easier to edit... Anyone know where?

I wonder if they would mind if the Black Agents get the Island at the bottom. We are in need of new training grounds for our Guild Agents....
I sorta claimed the big one .. you can fight me for it if yad like.

Why not just throw a new island down to your liking.. cause I'm being a selfish SOB. Or you can have your guild operating on the Island, it can be it's traditional homeland sorta a quasi independant oraganization.


Or you can own some land setting up bases and stuff.. ICCD is libertarian so you could get a away with it, but if your looking for more of a 'country' why not make your own, although we can fight. I'm geussing people are itching to see me get my arsed into a war regardless.


I'd give it up but I already added it to my history.

Adding stuff now. I probably forgot something, so someone tell me if I forgot you.

if someone could provide me a link to where these cannals were mentioned then i can post the Corporate States responce (well basicly slapping 2 Carrier groups at one end and blocking them...the corporations dont like goverments trying to screw them over....not one bit), not only that but Shadow runner teams would start to well..kill off the workers and there familys and pets. Ofcorse if you nations smart and informs the Corporate States of the plans you have...and offer some form of compensation to the Corporations that would be at a lose then its more then likely the corporations will forget this little misunderstanding.

CORPSAC IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE SEA CONFERENCE.. THE LINK SHOULD BE UP ABIT.. I'LL EDIT THIS WHEN I FIND IT IF YOU DON'T SEE IT NIAL DREW A PICTURE IT'S IN THE SOUTH OF NIAL ON THE WEST IT GOES THROUGH NIALS TERRITORY ONLY AND IS A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN YURKA AND NIAL.


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Also Intracircumcordei, corse im going to claim them islands around me, i have just over 5 billion people on such a small bit of land.....it wont be long till i start making allainces and plunging this Contient into a massive war..for no reason other then to gain land and make money....just like corporations should), for now CorpSac claims the islands but hasnt cleared them out, lets just say the natives have been...informed that they need to leave. Ships and fighters illl be patroling them islands.

YAH I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE, I DON'T HAVE OBJECTION TO YOU HAVING THE ONES RIGHT NEXT TO YOU THAT ARN'T PINK/PURPLE. WE ARE VERY INTERESTED ON A DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE WITH YOU. Of course we are also interested in trade and defensive relationships with both Yurka and Nial. We are hoping for strong relationships with everyone as much as is humanly posible.

Corpsac, do you have any issue with us passing through your sea areas from east innersea to the west inner sea i.e. the chokehold area etc..


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oh and Ramissle - What was your response to the North for South Proposal?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10541886#post10541886
News thread thing
Map thread coming
Don't post here anymore.
EDIT: Umm, was that something you TG'd me about? Or was it something in here? My mind is REALLy cluttered right now.

what's the scale?
I's so sorry I forgot to say what that was.
Is 1cm equaling 10 miles ok?

Koryan would like to claim the islands north of me and Slarchers. I'd also like one or two small islands off my northwest coast (for weapons testing). If Slarchers wants to, he can have half the islands near our border.

I so want to bomb your 'factory' off this continent with a barrage of missiles....

Heh, too late. I'm already on it, see the thread.

I's so sorry I forgot to say what that was.
Is 1cm equaling 10 miles ok?

Err... measure in pixles. My monitor is prolly not going to show the same rez as yours is. (In fact, a scale on the image would be best)