NationStates Jolt Archive

There has been a lot of OOC in the parent thread and I felt it best to get it out of there so it doesn't disrupt the story.

I thought of a problem your FTLi has when adding your statement about preventing wormholes.

Quantum Foam will pose a real problem for you. Quantum Foam (QF) is composed of micro wormholes that spontaneously form and evaporate constantly. Their existence is measured in Plank Time so there could literally be millions of them each nanosecond.

Now the energy contained in the QF is enormous. It has been estimated there is enough energy within one square cm to boil all the oceans on earth. This energy has also been referred to as Zero Point Energy (ZPE) or Void Energy/Empty Space Energy.

Now, if your FTLi prevents wormholes from forming, then several bad things can happen. IT has been suggested QF is the framework that holds the universe together or the objects like planets from being pushed/pulled together. Your FTLi could cause the system it is used in to be compressed by the rest of the universe. The old saying “nature abhors a vacuum” would be a guide to avoid a catastrophic disaster. Another effect your FTLi could cause is all that energy could collect upon the surface of your FTLi bubble. When you disengage it, that energy would annihilate whatever generated the FTLi because it would have to go somewhere. I do admit it would look cool, until you turn it off and that large amount of energy disintegrated everything protected by it.

Now remember, these are only two scenarios that could happen. You would have to ask a real theoretical physicist like Indra what would actually happen but I believe it would not be pretty.

You could limit your FTLi to interrupt artificial wormholes and allow natural ones to be unaffected. This would allow you some protection without using something that would shut down the natural mechanics of the universe. The problem is any wormhole generated from outside the Space-Time Continuum (STC) would be considered “natural” by your FTLi. There are very few nations capable of that so you should not worry about it.

Feel free to look up information on these topics if you wish.

Good good; finally somewhere to relax with a cocktail and ponder at the direction that the threads taking.

If the second occurred, I could use it as a weapon...

Another debate has occurred around the age of a nation.

It is my opinion that your race can be as old as you wish, but you still need to be able to use your nation's timeline for your development. If I used the Ta'Nar timeline instead of the Balrogga Empire, there would not be any arguments possible because you all would have been absorbed into the Childer Fleets long ago. I am basing the Empire off the existance of the Ta'Nar when they became seperated from their race and started the Empire. (See the history on my website in the sig.)

My population is limited by the figures graciously provided by Nation States. I am about 4 billion strong. That means I have been around for over 700 years as a nation with documented developments in civilization and weapon R&D.

I cannot use any of the Childer or Ta'Nar racial developments unless I have my Nation develop it IN CHARACTER.

That seems simple enough.

exactly in comparison you may be old but younger and more vibrant tannelorn for instance outstripped you. Also i dont accept FTLI it does not work in rl physics. And if it did it wouldnt stop a dime jump, whch is technically what opening a dimensional portal does. Also mini you should take casualties too, i havent seen you do it yet.

Dude....How much of FT would actually work with RL physics? *bludgeons*

Dude....How much of FT would actually work with RL physics? *bludgeons*

I believe futuristic truncheons. So you could have FT bludgeoned him.

literally almost everything i have is based off rl physics, except anti grav and inertial dampeners. My black hole compressors use the nuke form of it, ie supernova Laser, Masers as disentegration cannons. IE heat up any molecules in their path till they break apart. The real phaser. My shields use electromagnwetic fields and compressed air to deflect energy blasts and stop kinetic.

exactly in comparison you may be old but younger and more vibrant tannelorn for instance outstripped you. Also i dont accept FTLI it does not work in rl physics. And if it did it wouldnt stop a dime jump, whch is technically what opening a dimensional portal does. Also mini you should take casualties too, i havent seen you do it yet.

I've taken losses, something about a badly damaged Coelocanth and a significant amount of damage to the hulls from the Wraith...

Terran Ships in my tech are extremely difficult to kill, making my Protoss actually more vulnerable in this situation, since their shields are nowher near as god as the Impeller Wedge of a Terran BC or MM Class.

While in real Space, I cannot hide my vessels.

If anyone scans my ships, they will detect as having the mass of a small sun. The energy readings would be off the scale.

The Cutter Beam is a low power containment beam that contains dimensional ruptures. If the beam strikes an object, it will break the beam causing the ruptures to affect it. This means, basically, the area struck by the beam no longer exists while the parts of the object either side will remain untouched. As the beam sweeps across the ship (in this case, a moon) it will basically slice the object in half. Since the weapon is dimensional, shields will not have any affect due to them breaking the beam, thus creating a hole for it to pass through. The shield would replenish itself after the beam passes. The result would be a broken ship still inside its intact shields.

For a proper visual, think of the purple beam used by the Shadows in Babylon 5.

My drives are Dimensional Drives. They have their own connection and exist in multiple dimensions. They power the Cutter Beam so both would still function under the FTLi for the same reasons we spoke about on MSN.

My shields are also (surprise!!!) dimensional in origin. They reduce the damage dealt to the ship by diverting most of it across the dimensions. The remaining fraction would carry through to be absorbed by my hull armor.

My ships have Reactionary Armor that thickens in areas that are about to be hit so damage is reduced to the interior. If you overpower the armor and strike through, I also have a layer of living organic steel with neutronium embedded within it. This means the ship can repair itself, given enough time. The neutronium ratio is not great, only enough to provide a degree of protection. The liquid would provide toxic if there was too much in the organic steel matrix.

The mass signature is so large due to the hull and the drives.

You would have to ask a real theoretical physicist like Indra


Do we have any proof that Indra actually is a theoretical physicist, other than him saying so?

Mini Miehm happens to be on my ignore list and I dont like this whole wraith/ stargate thing going on. So I'm just going to remove myself from the thread, its gone off on a tangent I was not prepared for. Lets just say my Fleet happend upon a nearby, natural star sytem that was much more suitable and closer to my territory so We never entered this cluster f*ck (pardon the pun)

While in real Space, I cannot hide my vessels.

If anyone scans my ships, they will detect as having the mass of a small sun. The energy readings would be off the scale.

The Cutter Beam is a low power containment beam that contains dimensional ruptures. If the beam strikes an object, it will break the beam causing the ruptures to affect it. This means, basically, the area struck by the beam no longer exists while the parts of the object either side will remain untouched. As the beam sweeps across the ship (in this case, a moon) it will basically slice the object in half. Since the weapon is dimensional, shields will not have any affect due to them breaking the beam, thus creating a hole for it to pass through. The shield would replenish itself after the beam passes. The result would be a broken ship still inside its intact shields.

For a proper visual, think of the purple beam used by the Shadows in Babylon 5.

My drives are Dimensional Drives. They have their own connection and exist in multiple dimensions. They power the Cutter Beam so both would still function under the FTLi for the same reasons we spoke about on MSN.

My shields are also (surprise!!!) dimensional in origin. They reduce the damage dealt to the ship by diverting most of it across the dimensions. The remaining fraction would carry through to be absorbed by my hull armor.

My ships have Reactionary Armor that thickens in areas that are about to be hit so damage is reduced to the interior. If you overpower the armor and strike through, I also have a layer of living organic steel with neutronium embedded within it. This means the ship can repair itself, given enough time. The neutronium ratio is not great, only enough to provide a degree of protection. The liquid would provide toxic if there was too much in the organic steel matrix.

The mass signature is so large due to the hull and the drives.

Cool. The fight, however, is over, meaning that there'll be no need for me to try my luck against you.

Mini Miehm happens to be on my ignore list and I dont like this whole wraith/ stargate thing going on. So I'm just going to remove myself from the thread, its gone off on a tangent I was not prepared for. Lets just say my Fleet happend upon a nearby, natural star sytem that was much more suitable and closer to my territory so We never entered this cluster f*ck (pardon the pun)

When did we ever RP together for me to GET on your ignore list? I checked a minute ago, and this is the first thread we've ever been in together.

Cool. The fight, however, is over, meaning that there'll be no need for me to try my luck against you.

I did what I set out to, I stopped the fight.

Nobody even got hurt!

I did what I set out to, I stopped the fight.

Nobody even got hurt!

What about the slaughtered inhabitants of Waterhelper's colony?

I'm going to put them back; cause their icky and I can't eat 'em

I'm going to put them back; cause their icky and I can't eat 'em

I bombed his colony.

Then they can live in the hole.

I say, take over the world with this. it can be used weapon, why waste it? YOU ALL will be my victims
sincerely, the mysterious dictator

Dammit and i wasted my time sending Admiral Kra'Dem to that cluster. He didn't even discover the mystery element or investigate the distress signal. We should do this again because frankly im in an roleplay mode rite now lol

I hope you like that chapter I put into the rp i think i will make it interesting with the advent of Element X.

I hope you like that chapter I put into the rp i think i will make it interesting with the advent of Element X.

Element X interests me... Though the arrival of the Zeji Armada may take a BIT of the focus off of your big booms. And yes, I just KNOW that SOMETHING is going to happen, and I'm gonna have to call in my newest techbase(non-canon SC).

Dude lay off the caps it makes you sound retarded. Well to let you know those Star Destroyers are built by IUCG Shipyards and has more firepower and shielding plus more titanium transparisteel alloy armored plating. now since you are using non canon SC that would allow me to have non canon star wars tech.

Dude lay off the caps it makes you sound retarded. Well to let you know those Star Destroyers are built by IUCG Shipyards and has more firepower and shielding plus more titanium transparisteel alloy armored plating. now since you are using non canon SC that would allow me to have non canon star wars tech.

My Mac is old, and has issues with italics and bold, so caps are the only way I can add emphasis to things.

Yeah, I get the idea. Most people stick to canon. In other news, by avoiding canon, my respect for you just increased a goodly bit.

The Fleet has arrived and we will do what we have to to keep the residents of the Cluster from fighting. If you are in the cluster, you fall under Waterhelper's lease and the restriction to warring upon the others.

Tannelorn and myself have been accepted as the nations helping to police the cluster by Waterhelper.

It is his Thread and he has final say in everything. If he told the 1st ITF to leave, we would but until he does, we are here to kick butts.

The Fleet has arrived and we will do what we have to to keep the residents of the Cluster from fighting. If you are in the cluster, you fall under Waterhelper's lease and the restriction to warring upon the others.

Tannelorn and myself have been accepted as the nations helping to police the cluster by Waterhelper.

It is his Thread and he has final say in everything. If he told the 1st ITF to leave, we would but until he does, we are here to kick butts.

Is anyone even fighting anymore? I know I've got a few ships floating around slightly randomly, but other than that...

I came in 153 Lightyears away from any battle you guys had. I also hold a sort of military neutrality.

I came in 153 Lightyears away from any battle you guys had. I also hold a sort of military neutrality.

Yeah, I'm kinda planning on trying to sell you one of those 2 planets...

Tell me, you wouldn't happen to go by Reich Fhurer Jon on MSN, would you?

Yeah, I'm kinda planning on trying to sell you one of those 2 planets...

Tell me, you wouldn't happen to go by Reich Fhurer Jon on MSN, would you?

thats me

I am claiming a star cluster now known as T385, my forces will attack any unatherised ships entering the area, we will not tollirate any further attacks on our people

thats me

Ok, I tried asking you several times, but got no response.

Ok, I tried asking you several times, but got no response.
will you log in?

will you log in?

I can't. If you wanna talk, conact me on AIM at OPwhiteguy

I can't. If you wanna talk, conact me on AIM at OPwhiteguy
I dont have AIM and wtf is that other one?

"The Alterans still live because we have yet to kill them. Their arrogance made it inevitable that we would move against them some day." He paused, "They'll know respect. They are old, but Protoss were created by those even older than they, and that makes them older. The creations of the Xel'Naga will break the backs of the Alterans with ease. Now, targets... The Tannelornians, they have a large presence in this region, though the Balroggans may contest any action you take here. Perhaps those from the Great Forge, or perhaps, almost certainly, the Seaquestians. In fact, the Seaquestians seem like a very good target, we even have detailed data on all of their populated systems..."

OOC: That is blatent godmodding and I refuse to accept any such claims. You have made no attempt at RP'ing any attempt to gain such information, so you can edit this post to correct this. I would have been willing to possibly accept such a blatent statment if you hade made any attempt at it. I was planning on joining this RP IC'ly and was reading the whole to get caught up, no I'm not so sure. I say again, remove that godmod of a statement.

Sorry I havn't been posting. I have been knocked flat by a migrane headache. I will try posting later on.

I wanted to point out a few things while I have the chance.


1st

This is a cluster of hundreds of stars, not a system with 20 planets. Near the beginning of the Thread is the stats Waterhelper figured is in each of the 20 sections.

2nd

I am not sure how you are protecting those nanoprobes from EMP so I will not go there but I did come up with a problem with them.

You state they are constructed out of carbon-nanotubes but they also eat metal to replicate themselves. Carbon is not a metal. You would not be able to construct the carbon nanotubes out of iron, deutronium, ect...


My head hurts so I will post later.

Sorry I havn't been posting. I have been knocked flat by a migrane headache. I will try posting later on.

I wanted to point out a few things while I have the chance.


1st

This is a cluster of hundreds of stars, not a system with 20 planets. Near the beginning of the Thread is the stats Waterhelper figured is in each of the 20 sections.

2nd

I am not sure how you are protecting those nanoprobes from EMP so I will not go there but I did come up with a problem with them.

You state they are constructed out of carbon-nanotubes but they also eat metal to replicate themselves. Carbon is not a metal. You would not be able to construct the carbon nanotubes out of iron, deutronium, ect...


My head hurts so I will post later.

OOC: That is blatent godmodding and I refuse to accept any such claims. You have made no attempt at RP'ing any attempt to gain such information, so you can edit this post to correct this. I would have been willing to possibly accept such a blatent statment if you hade made any attempt at it. I was planning on joining this RP IC'ly and was reading the whole to get caught up, no I'm not so sure. I say again, remove that godmod of a statement.

Ok, we have information on all the systems you detailed as posessing when I was amember of the GFFA. Happy now?

Sorry I havn't been posting. I have been knocked flat by a migrane headache. I will try posting later on.

I wanted to point out a few things while I have the chance.


1st

This is a cluster of hundreds of stars, not a system with 20 planets. Near the beginning of the Thread is the stats Waterhelper figured is in each of the 20 sections.

2nd

I am not sure how you are protecting those nanoprobes from EMP so I will not go there but I did come up with a problem with them.

You state they are constructed out of carbon-nanotubes but they also eat metal to replicate themselves. Carbon is not a metal. You would not be able to construct the carbon nanotubes out of iron, deutronium, ect...


My head hurts so I will post later.

In his defense, if there's any steel involved, you've got your carbon right there.

Ok, we have information on all the systems you detailed as posessing when I was amember of the GFFA. Happy now?

All the G.F.F.A. knew about when you were a member was of my Milky Way Galaxy holdings. Try to bring in info on my home galaxy and that would constitute as using OOC info IC'ly as I only revealed that part after you left. You had some poor timing on that point. Oh, and I never revealed exactly where in my Milky Way Galaxy holdings the wormhole was.

All the G.F.F.A. knew about when you were a member was of my Milky Way Galaxy holdings. Try to bring in info on my home galaxy and that would constitute as using OOC info IC'ly as I only revealed that part after you left. You had some poor timing on that point. Oh, and I never revealed exactly where in my Milky Way Galaxy holdings the wormhole was.

That works. It still means I can send Wraith after you! ^_^

True, there are carbon molecules in many of the alloys used in a ship but the rest of the periodic table would mostly be considered waste product.

I only mentioned it so Waterhelper can change his description before someone calls him on it because I got the impression from it that it was a total conversion.

We all know people out there that would throw a fit about that point alone and cause a Thread to die from BS overload.

Agreed lol. Problem is it becomes godmoding because of its very nature. I mean using a nano weapon in space is well...pointless. The distance between vessels alone is larger then entire planets and the effect on alot of the higher end weapons would require such a vast amount of nanites that it would be impossible. As i had said, i had jumped to the battle site to stop it as waterhelper had asked because his fleet isnt upto snuff. But the nanites much like FTLi will be a majour issue. So as a general rule Nanite weapons should be restricted to one target while in space, because of distances. However where nanite weapons really really show is in atmosphere. Tannelorn has used nano tech forever, our elite special forces have a nano machine colony inside them and the ships have nanite based self repair so i understand where your coming from. However as a engagement weapon its saved for missiles designed to chew through armour. Simply put a nanite weapon couldnt work in space [not counting star trek numbers where ships have to fight closer then modern wet navies]


however emping my ships wont have much effect except on my crappy missiles lol. Which would be easily accepted. I use missiles for distraction purposes. We dont have AI and ship computers are generally hooked in to by human computers for our comp needs. IE the pilot becomes the targetting and main systems of whatever craft they are in. Or the gunners in the case of cap ships.

So to make it short the Nanites would not work on a fleet scale at all. However you could use them on a planet. I wouldnt use them on us we would just release better counter nano's lol. But as for the facts on it nanite weapons - planetary targets/single targets.

This should avoid any argument by making it invalid in space. Sorry if it kind of ruins it a bit but the fact is a nanite weapon wouldnt be a wide scale threat in space. It would take far far too long for them to spread in to any useful range. Plus there wouldnt be enough of them to stop the reaction of a Cascade cannon anyways. Its the equivalent of when a black hole gets overfilled with material and releases a gamma ray burst. Which is capable of scouring a solar system 1400 light years away, only on a smaller scale and focused with laser technology. Any equivalently high end weapons [not missile, the emps would generally take em out] wouldnt be affected as well.

This should end the one argument.

now on to FTLi

To use an FTLi the power source has to be stronger then the FTL power source you are blocking. If its not..too bad they break through the wall. So mini your "Tactic" is only valid against those that actually are technologically weaker then you. And that means that you wont block Tannelornian FTL, maybe tigerlan waterhelper but not Tannelorn. And if Balrogga has rp'd his tech longer then you..same idea.

Ok sorry to rain on any parades lol. Just wanted to clear this up before the post dies. Because some people are just gonna pull the "ranks of power" and all that, or will argue it. this way they can look at straight facts on the issue.
And also waterhelper i hope this doesnt disapoint you a bit, just the nanites would have to be altered to be single target weapons to have the same effect. Loaded on a missile or shell and fired at a ship. I know exactly what you are talking about though on the conversion, believe me..just it wont work in space. Planet hell yes, you could stop fighting on a planet if you so chose, just not in space. That is why balrogga and i are here. To stop people from fighting in the system. And now that i have made new carpentaria the home to the expeditionary force..there shouldnt be any more in a very short time.

And to not my attacks on mini miehm were under the auspice that you wanted the sector policed. And so taking my RP obligation in to effect i moved in to attempt to stop the fighting. When they wouldnt stop we attacked. k lol.

That works. It still means I can send Wraith after you! ^_^

Hmm, and they'll get a very warm welcome. I didn't develop my mine technology to its current level for nothing you know. And I have other defenses recently developed that I haven't gotten around to revealing IC'ly yet.

about my things being resistant to EMP well... ever read its how they sheild nuclear silos the faraday cage Carbon nanotubes are a superconductor so it makes it that much more efficient. (well close to it anyway) Also earlier i said i used projectile weapons and reversed engineered asgard transport beams it mostly eliminated the need to make them move. you just need their sheilds down. (big problem since they cant shoot unless in a ship as point defence lasers)

Also about it being made of carbon I can use the existing nanobots to rearrange the atomic stucture of the nanobots to make them have electrical circuts and act like a microchip... just with legs and otehr stuff.
(you would think that i havent done recearch into this...)

Perhaps you could help him IC with his Nanites and the delivery system.

We three should exchange IMs over Telegrams so we can coordinate attacks better.

Also in the case there is not enough carbon it will be saved and slowly replace the metal until it is carbon.

1.) Nanites have very limited durations due to size and other considerations.
2.) Due to the very limited surface area, nanites make poor conductors and are thus very sensitive to temperature changes.
3.) Carbon nanotubles are not considered nanites, but a nanoscopic structure (I even use them as part of my starship armor).
4.) To have a constant supply of 'live' nanites, you will need to 'feed' them materials which to construct more every moment of every day, 24/7/365.

My fleet arrived at the Tigerlan home world/tripple mining colony.

If Tigerlan ships do anything other than surrender, we will open fire. They were warned in our message.

1) power is provided in the form of a naquadah partical (surounded by a buky ball to prevent powersurges) that amplifies all avalible power (as in light, heat, etc [light] may be negligable but it can make a plant grow)
2) constuction will be made atom by atom it will be quick enough with a 1,000,000+ working on it, and about the temperature the fluctuations in heat will be used to help power it
3) I know that but they areused to make the nanites. (in RL, they already use thing to make the smallest working machines in the world)
Also:
Carbon nanotubes have many properties—from their unique dimensions to an unusual current conduction mechanism—that make them ideal components of electrical circuits. Currently, there is no reliable way to arrange carbon nanotubes into a circuit. (taken from wikipedia) Please note the word currently, its FT here so currently was past
4) If you havn't noticed i use replicators (as in... carbon really its one of the most common things around)

1.) You're not the only one to use replicators (I have them as well (unless you're talking about those robotic bugs from Stargate)).
2.) A nanite powered by Naquada would make even the cannon Stargate Ancients drool. That tech is far, far, far FT.
3.) Do you want me to post about my own knowledge of nanotubes (got a large word document containing a IC research paper I worked out on this for my nation).
4.) Nanite lifespans are usally measured in the picoseconds.
5.) Magnifying heat is not a good idea. A common nanite exposed to the sun's rays would overheat almost instantly.
6.) If you really want expert people (ie, people with degrees) to comment on your nanites, post about them here: http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showforum=10

I've been reading Tigerlan's posts (both IC and OOC stuff). Sounds to me like he's got the terms star system and star cluster switched. Just a simple mix-up of definitions, IMHO.

"To use an FTLi the power source has to be stronger then the FTL power source you are blocking. If its not..too bad they break through the wall. So mini your "Tactic" is only valid against those that actually are technologically weaker then you. And that means that you wont block Tannelornian FTL, maybe tigerlan waterhelper but not Tannelorn. And if Balrogga has rp'd his tech longer then you..same idea."

How on earth would he block myne? my nation is as old as his if not older. therfore we would have around the same power outputs

It is FT! you would think a powersource has been developed for these things . especially when they are due for 2025.
2.) what if you want me to use the photon ratiation to power it when a molecule goes into a excited state i could do that. the point is there is always a way to power it and the naquadah will ampliphy it. Energy is everywhere... heat, radiation, frction, light, etc now ampliphy that and you have the energy required
4.) Its FT there are nanites in star trek aren't there, thats a lower level of tech then most other FT nations too
5.) yes and if you plase carbon nanotubes in cross sections it would block out the heat.

According to post #243, you claimed the entire star cluster.

~a messege is sent to all nearby fleets~Tigerlan claims star cluster now known as T385, Tigerlanian forces will attack any unatherised ships entering the area.

If you wanted a "plot" you would have asked Waterhelper for one like everyone else instead of claiming the entire cluster.

The fleet is not using any "warp", they are using Dimensional Drives as Dimensional Technology and Gravitational Techs have been actively researched and used since I was about 1 month old to NS. The ships can "see" down into lower dimensions so they would not have Emerged inside any solid object, although some of the smaller ones could have taken position inside large areas of your station. I use that tactic on planets when I want to secretly drop off "people".

The fleet is acting upon your poorly worded communication you sent. The only one that can stop this is Waterhelper, seeing as he is The Founder here. Tannelorn obviously read and took your message at face value. That is why he left the loooong OOC message in the IC board (naughty).

We now have a situation that needs to be resolved IC because the mistake was made IC.

It is FT! you would think a powersource has been developed for these things . especially when they are due for 2025.
2.) what if you want me to use the photon ratiation to power it when a molecule goes into a excited state i could do that. the point is there is always a way to power it and the naquadah will ampliphy it. Energy is everywhere... heat, radiation, frction, light, etc now ampliphy that and you have the energy required
4.) Its FT there are nanites in star trek aren't there, thats a lower level of tech then most other FT nations too
5.) yes and if you plase carbon nanotubes in cross sections it would block out the heat.

1.) Star Trek nanites (it was a TNG episode (forgot the name)) are 24th century technology and are still limited by the things I mentioned.
2.) You should post a thread on the forum I linked you to on this matter to get some people with degree's opinions.

Here is that document I mentioned about nanotubes in my nation.

"Fellow creators the creator seeks-those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest."
-Fredrich Nietzsche ("Thus Spoke Zarathustra")

"God would be pleased by the perfection of our creation."
-Research Leader Sapiano (Watching the Buckminster Fullerine molecules being formed)

A revolutionary new hull technology developed for Operation Phoenix is the Woven Carbon Nanotubule Shell. This hull provides incredibly strong armour, resilient to many types of weapons.

Based on the Buckminster Fullerine Carbon molecules discovered in the late twentieth century. These molecules are spherical at the ends and can have an elongated centre section. The molecular structure is extremely strong, more so than diamond, and also is relatively flexible. This allows these materials to elastically reflect energy at the molecular level. This ability to bend, and near unbreakable structure allows these molecules to hold up against many types of weapons.

They also have a strong hold on their electrons, making them poor inductors and nearly impossible to repel or detect with EM systems. Due to the large molecular size, they transmit kinetic energy over large areas and have incredibly high thermal capacity. The large, flexible molecular structure also allows them to stay intact even when put to incredibly high temperatures. This permits them to take assaults from plasma and like weapons incredibly well.

Their large, hollow centres also allow them to trap or funnel other molecules or small materials through them. The electromagnetic forces from the regular molecular structure creates a magnetic bottle in the centre of the tube, holding anything inside of them far away from the molecules. The strong bonds and molecular structure is not very vulnerable to ionization. If the chains are damaged, they naturally try to reform the edges to break into two tubes. This allows coolants to be fed through them to keep the materials cool in a thermal assault.

These tubes can also be filled with heavy molecules to absorb neutrons/anti-neutrons. Heavy molecules have a much higher probability of collision, and pull neutrons in to them (mass). This allows these molecules to flow through the tubes, removing the spent molecules and recycling the others. Using a complex fusion process (not power generating), these molecules are reconstructed and put back into the circulation. Molecules and atoms that are beyond repair are released into space. Though not as efficient, these molecules can also be used as coolants. By mixing standard coolants with these heavy molecules, they can provide very powerful protection from a wide variety of weapons.

If the hull begins to get excessively hot from continued assault and the coolant system cannot maintain it, chemicals with high heat capacities can be run through the mesh and ejected into space, taking the kinetic energy with them. This 'ablative' armour allows them to significantly reduce undesired energy transfer to the ship. These hot molecules can also be used to act as manoeuvring rockets, using enemy energy to add to the manoeuvrability of the ship.

The coolant system also allows the ship to use the energy transferred to them from enemy fire. The kinetic energy can be converted to power for use in its weapons. The heated coolant molecules are run through a generation system that absorbs large amounts of excess heat. This not only provides the ship's weapons with increased power, but decreases the energy required to cool the hull.

The shell is made of a woven net of varying length molecules. Some framework molecules are as long as ten metres. The network is assembled by filling the molecules with charged molecules and manipulating the network with EM fields. These filler molecules are then stripped from the core and placed into another fibre, etc. A very complicated weaving pattern is used with several different layers interwoven into each other. The woven shell is then tied into the base material, holding it in place. This woven shell provides a strong network that can handle damage to various portions of it and still provide integrity. The network also offers the ability to expand and contract extensively without damage. It allows it to do both without cracking or buckling, even when subjected to rapid temperature changes.

Carbon nanotubles are a freak phenomenon making them a hard resource to duplicate. Simply knowing the molecular structure or even having samples of it does not provide any information on how to produce the compound. Without acquiring production facilities, this makes enemy cloning of the technology nearly impossible. This technology is also something that is improbable for any other race to have developed anything similar. These molecules require very specific situations for their productions. SeaQuest discovered them by accident when working with high temperature burning of coal. Since it is improbable that any of the other races had catastrophic destruction of all life on the planet as earth did, they would have small reserves of fossil fuels, if any. This would make it hard to discover these materials. This indeed provides SeaQuest with a powerful and exclusive advantage.

This shell structure provides it with incredible resilience to all types of weapons. Standard plasma weapons damage is considerably less than any other material, laser damage is also heavily dampened. Even neutron weapon damage is heavily reduced by this hull type. This makes by far the best possible armour aside from bio-armoured shells. This indeed provides SeaQuest with a powerful advantage in battle situation, providing a key factor in the Operation Phoenix initiative.

I too did my homework. Everything I learned was connected and is described in the above document. I covered all my bases.

The enemy that tigerlan is under attack by is the Goauld

... I believe that supports my points resistant to heat and all that otehr stuff. See i used them initally to increase my capasity for knowledge like in stargate reatly increasing the rate of advancement. Because of this i can get 100 years worth into one. I then used improved nanobots to make carbon nanotubes

now here is whati believe (from wikipedia and other sources but ill just use wikipedia here as it has everything in one spot)

termal conduction: All nanotubes are expected to be very good thermal conductors along the tube, exhibiting a property known as "ballistic conduction," but good insulators laterally to the tube axis.
(thats why i pace them in a cross pattern)

Electrical:
Due to the symmetry and unique electronic structure of graphene, the structure of a nanotube strongly affects its electrical properties. For a given (n,m) nanotube, if 2n + m=3q (where q is an integer), then the nanotube is metallic, otherwise the nanotube is a semiconductor. Thus all armchair (n=m) nanotubes are metallic, and nanotubes (5,0), (6,4), (9,1), etc. are semiconducting. An alternative (equivalent) representation of this condition is if (n - m) /3=integer, then the SWNT is metallic. In theory, metallic nanotubes can have an electrical current density more than 1,000 times stronger than metals such as silver and copper.
(I think that classifies it as a super conductor also i use matallic unless for processing purposes)

According to post #243, you claimed the entire star cluster.



If you wanted a "plot" you would have asked Waterhelper for one like everyone else instead of claiming the entire cluster.

The fleet is not using any "warp", they are using Dimensional Drives as Dimensional Technology and Gravitational Techs have been actively researched and used since I was about 1 month old to NS. The ships can "see" down into lower dimensions so they would not have Emerged inside any solid object, although some of the smaller ones could have taken position inside large areas of your station. I use that tactic on planets when I want to secretly drop off "people".

The fleet is acting upon your poorly worded communication you sent. The only one that can stop this is Waterhelper, seeing as he is The Founder here. Tannelorn obviously read and took your message at face value. That is why he left the loooong OOC message in the IC board (naughty).

We now have a situation that needs to be resolved IC because the mistake was made IC.
I meant star system

I meant star system

there I fixed it happy now?

yea well its a bit late i think besides you intruded on our territory saying its ours (as in yours) that would be invading our territory

Edit: seaquest if you think that is a godmod thats fine with me but from my point of veiw its not as i have the corect dispercal systems and such

Post editing is not an acceptable form of Role-Playing.

You made a mistake In Character so it must be resolved In Character. Editing the post is an Out Of Character action. If it was an IC action, we would all be able to take back the things we say in Real Life we wished we wouldn't have said.

You placed yourself in that corner so now you have to find a way out. That is what this game is about, interacting to the situations.

My actions stand as they are posted.

There are none of my ships inside yours, they avoided that aspect, for now. Right now we have a stand-off. First one that blinks........

...turns out now they get over run by jaffa... human form nanobots (they aren't actually relicators because they dont replicate at all costs) should do the trick

1.) That document was on nanotubes, not nanites.
2.) Only godmode I saw was MM's using OOC IC'ly earlier (that was taken care of).
3.) Seriously, you'll get lots of good feed-back and constructive criticism from people with degrees if you post about your nanites on the forum I linked you to.
4.) You described your replicators as a side-development of having beaming tech, ala Star Trek style.
5.) You would have to RP the development of Stargate style Replicators. Can't just say you have that tech from thin air (having nanotech is one thing, using it to make macroscopic structures is a whole 'nother ball game).

Tecnically nanotech could be used to build larger structures of any form the replicators would be one of them (what do you want me to do RP each individual nanobot) so they are actually fuffiling thir role just in a bigger form

Post editing is not an acceptable form of Role-Playing.

You made a mistake In Character so it must be resolved In Character. Editing the post is an Out Of Character action. If it was an IC action, we would all be able to take back the things we say in Real Life we wished we wouldn't have said.

You placed yourself in that corner so now you have to find a way out. That is what this game is about, interacting to the situations.

My actions stand as they are posted.

There are none of my ships inside yours, they avoided that aspect, for now. Right now we have a stand-off. First one that blinks........

if thats your oppinion, everyone else seems fine with it, also Waterhelper has cleared me to colinize, you are now in direct viliation of Tigerlans territiory.

Tecnically nanotech could be used to build larger structures of any form the replicators would be one of them (what do you want me to do RP each individual nanobot) so they are actually fuffiling thir role just in a bigger form

No, I meant develop something like my R. & D. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463239) thread. Its slow, but as long as you have documentable proof of having developed a tech, some of the larger nations will leave you alone and not call godmod when you use something, as long as you have documentable proof.

There is NO IC evidence that the Zeji are about to destroy the planet. You have never met them before. You have never fought them before. You have no IDEA, ICly, what a Zeji Tiamat is capable of. It is COMPLETELY alien. You CAN NOT possibly react to something you don't know about IC, without Godmod.

SQ and I worked out all of our IC OOC comm issues. You seem to have a problem with that concept.

actually technically I can evict anyone that breaks the rules about the war thing but im a bit lax on that. I just [try to] prevent it with my [technicall] allies (no teaty or at least a official one) I also could be charging taxes but thats no fun as I have replicators

There is NO IC evidence that the Zeji are about to destroy the planet. You have never met them before. You have never fought them before. You have no IDEA, ICly, what a Zeji Tiamat is capable of. It is COMPLETELY alien. You CAN NOT possibly react to something you don't know about IC, without Godmod.

SQ and I worked out all of our IC OOC comm issues. You seem to have a problem with that concept.

I'll have to side with MM on this one. Using OOC info IC'ly like you did, Tigerlan, is godmodding. You should never do it.

I'll have to side with MM on this one. Using OOC info IC'ly like you did, Tigerlan, is godmodding. You should never do it.

OOC: I KNEW keepingthe Zeji effectively unconnected to the Terrans was a good idea..

IC:

To all Psions in the area:

The Goa'uld are a great threat. They must be destroyed. We will commit one Tiamat Dreadnought to that aim.

The Tiamat left the area where the Armada had first appeared, heading for the system. It would help. Help protect EVERYONE else... By destroying the planet.


he listed in IC, I didnt know if he was saying it in the 3rd person

OOC: I KNEW keepingthe Zeji effectively unconnected to the Terrans was a good idea..

IC:

To all Psions in the area:

The Goa'uld are a great threat. They must be destroyed. We will commit one Tiamat Dreadnought to that aim.

The Tiamat left the area where the Armada had first appeared, heading for the system. It would help. Help protect EVERYONE else... By destroying the planet.


he listed in IC, I didnt know if he was saying it in the 3rd person

Of course I was saying itr in the Third Person. That's not the kind of thing you broadcast. Just like you don't broadcast "The Tiamat...*etc.*" You just SAY movements.

Of course I was saying itr in the Third Person. That's not the kind of thing you broadcast. Just like you don't broadcast "The Tiamat...*etc.*" You just SAY movements.

Quotation marks would have helped stop this entire problem before it started.

@Tigerlan:
1.) He listed it IC'ly, but your use of that data counts as using OOC info (as he didn't send it in a message to you) IC'ly. That's godmodding.
2.) The Axial Superlaser on Eclipse class Super Star Destroyers is not a full scale Death Star blast. It can only crack a planet's crust at full power. However, this means it takes a day to recharge before it can fire a second full power shot.
3.) You can have one large World Devestator forming the station, can't 'mesh' more than one together.
4.) World Devestators are not equipped with Superlasers.

@All:
5.) It is very rare to have a ship with defense powerful enough to survive the first full power Superlaser blast. Its usually strong enough to blast straight through shields and destroy a ship in one shot.

BTW, you can't link eight World Devastators together. They are independant superAIs, and they grow. If you combined them, they'd compete for system resources. That would be awesome, but not fun to have to try to control.

Also, you not only have no idea that he's coming unless you're Zeji Psi, other Psi that can link with Zeji minds, or someone who the transmission was sent to.

reposted from the IC thread:
ooc:
Err... the fact that you would have such a station is a godmode, ESPECIALLY in conjunction with what? 4 Eclipses and 20 Executors? I don't know if you realize this, but you've already blown 15 million ACTIVE troops just CREWING those ships, not to mention the atrocious numbers of onboard ships and et cetera. The first DS had an inane number of troops onboard. As in there are sources indicating that it could handle 6 Star Destroyers in internal hangars...

This is already a HUGE number. Even if we're nice with a Death Star like battlestation's crew, and call it 1 million, that's still 16 million. That is an inane ammount of firepower and crew in one location, especially considering your economic position.

It took the entire Galactic Empire to make a DS. That means trillions of beings and literally quadrillions of quadrillions of credits. If we were to throw in appropriate logistics (1:3 ratio I think, but I could be wrong there), that's 64 million troops in crewing and supplying that fleet, not counting any onboard ships/troops and the personel needed to maintain those onboard ships/troops. That's about 3.5% of your nation's NS population.

LASTLY: no one here knows that MM is Zeji. The Zeji are new to the world scene, known only to:
a small race of mine (the An'dyne)
a small race of Humankind Abh (the Betterman Council)
The Miehmish Protoss (well, some of them)
the Scandanavians (from a distance)
Shalaam
Chroli
Chronosia

No one would recognize the signature, expect them coming, or know how to react. In time you'll recognize the energy signature as Miehmish maybe, but for now it's foreign.

Quotation marks would have helped stop this entire problem before it started.

It WOIULD have been in Italics, but my Mac has issues with Italics. I usually Caps anything I want to emphasize when I'm upstairs, but Caps on an entire statement seemed kindof silly.

MM, you got the tags for italics right. It just didn't work on my screen (I see the tags around the text and not italics).

You could put telepathic statements in things like this (The way Ha Dum does):

<Telepathic statement goes here.>

And put verbal stuff like this:

"Verbal statement goes here."

MM, you got the tags for italics right. It just didn't work on my screen (I see the tags around the text and not italics).

You could put telepathic statements in things like this (The way Ha Dum does):

<Telepathic statement goes here.>

And put verbal stuff like this:

"Verbal statement goes here."

I got the tags right. Almost. It's "/" I used "\"

I got the tags right. Almost. It's "/" I used "\"

Ahh, I didn't catch that error.

Quotation marks would have helped stop this entire problem before it started.

that they would

Would you believe this is my first RP lol

well youve rped in other games, so yes I believe you

I am extremely dissappointed in the RP because Tigerlan clearly made an incorrect IC statement and to divert attention away, he invented the invasion.

It is in my opinion very bad RPing.

Ok idk wth Pananab is thinking saying that hes goin to pick fights with everyone. This is virtual suicide on his part.

So uh like my one page chapter there lol. Dam that took me two hours to write man. Next is Torov's report to Sokylov and maybe some events on the IP-2 of Colural's survival

Ok idk wth Pananab is thinking saying that hes goin to pick fights with everyone. This is virtual suicide on his part.

Well, he does have TGB's support as an ally, last I heard.

Yep, it is suicidal...

Yup thank god this thread was found. I hate posting ooc in IC threads..its rather distasteful. Ok here is how my group tends to work out IC power ratings. the #1 priority is RP. Since balrogga and i have been rping forever we probly have done alot. Here is an example I will give the tannelorn timeline.

2015: Antifunitists arrive on mars and start a war with native Tannelornians. TO this day no one knows why Tannelornians could survive on mars at the tech level they were at. The reason for this is 17 000 years in the past. To let you know i have not leaked any of this till today. There is actually 800 years of history however we have only actually RP'd 350 of it.

2017 the first king surrenders and joins the vascilian league. They start to use nuclear reactors for the first time, in place of the old solar and wind batteries. Mass genetic augmentation follows as they pull themselves together to deal with fission radiation.
2017-2158 The vascilian league slowly builds up on mars, taking eventually the entire southern hemisphere of the planet. Our first encounter with other nations happens. A state of cold war begins lasting for over 300 years.
2158-2550: Tannelorn sends the TIS to help rescue elves being slaughtered in Bajon, they succeed not only in rescuing 21 of the refugees but also in capturing Bajonni technology. The first Tannelornian renaissance happens. The fleet goes from 12 ships the equivalent of a typhoon class submarine in space to a fleet of 150 vessels of corvette size armed with large scale MASER weaponry [ok..star trek wrath of khan phaser i dont want to wank and describe it..the actual wank of a MASER is sick..if your ship is shielded everyone inside cooks in seconds..they are that scary if high powered lol] As well as the first Tannelornian space fighter. A long rocket shaped craft designed only for space with several maneuver verniers and a fission pile.
After this point in time Tannelorn moves to Fusion and develops the first Alpha series veritech fighters, as well as the first of the Ikazuki command carriers. Massive kilometer long vessels still used by the PTSS [tannelorn coast guard equiv S&R]. The first Rennaissance ends with the outbreak of hostilities over the former territory of new Roan.
2550- The first Hellespontos war. Auman claims New roan as its own, having been given the territory as the old administration left. This leads to Tannelorn sending in horizont shuttles to build the first Tannelornian military base outside of their own territory. Carpentaria base. Sabre rattling and political maneuvering occurs for the next year as the Tor Yvressan craftworld attempts to claim the territory. The Tor Yvressans claim that as new roan is a subjugated nation, they have no right to give up the Territory. The VAscilians disagree.
2551 The first Hellespontos war begins. On the ground the Enemy were forced back by superior numbers and training of the Vascilian ground armies. However in space the Tannelornian and Aumanii navies encounter the forces of Sunset for the first time. Hiding in the asteroid belt the Tannelornians manage to enable a fighting retreat against a vastly superior foe. To their credit the original Ingelstung cannons maintained a 1 hit one kill even on the Sunset craft. By the end of the first week the war ended with a hasty peace treaty. Vascilian space was controlled by the enemy, and the Vascilians controlled every peace of ground controlled by the enemy. It was a stalemate.
2551-2576-The second renaissance. Tannelornian engineers take the Alpha veritech fighters to the next level. Removing much of the moving parts bay basing the next high maneuver frame on a 35 foot tall giant robot frame, with a huge integral fusion power plant, which also make up the plasma engine of the craft. The result was a fast maneuverable and incredibly tough and well armed vehicle. Incredibly versatile and durable..it can be credited as the true victor of the second war. It is capable of folding up in to a rudimentary interceptor mode to provide air superiority. [note this is perhaps the most heavily RP'd combat vehicle in nation states lol..imagine the mark I is a T-34 75 and the mark II the 85. thats the best equivalent i can give other then..leopard II and F-14 lol] Power systems are improved and with the help of the now inherent Elven population we manage to figure out the workings of the Webway.
2576 - the 2nd hellespontos war. [this is why you dont want to mess with Tannelorn lol] Hostilities officially commenced in early morning..Auman wound up under severe attack..the enemy fleets ignored the 5 ikazukis stationed above carpentaria base for the first few minutes. This bought enough time to support ground forces and channel the first tor yvresse attack down a corridor to be easily annhillated. As the enemy centered on destroying the Aumanii and Norieganian fleets, the Tannelorn fleet moved in using Urenbeck catapults. The surprise was utter. The first of the Morgenrates attacked in such huge numbers no less then 4 fleets were forced to back off. After this the morgenreates attacked the Tor yvressan forces on the ground, at the same time General bartfeldt launched a counter attack against Tor Yvresse forces.


This forced the Eldar to commit over 75% of their military to hellespontos. In the ensuing battle the Tannelornians pushed far past the Aumanii capturing and cutting off almost 200 000 eldar and killing thousands more. Inside Tannelorn the new king Richter Albericht launched his fathers plan. He invaded with a force of 500 000 knights and the new morgenreates and Nachtwanzer combat vehicles [reverse articulated much smaller then a morgenreate basically a light mbt] Tor Yvresse surrendered within hours and Tannelorn held the craftworld for three days before the peace treaty forced them to leave..but not before they looted everything they could from the craftworld.

2576-2800 3rd renaissance. Tannelorn develops socially and technologically more rapidly then before. The fleet is totally changed..Prince jan albericht, head of the fleet starts to become more and more disenfranchised with his obviously mad brother. The fleet is upgraded..several forms of FTL are developed, the morgenreate is totally redesigned and the Naval troopers are expanded. by the end of the third renaissance Tannelorn is the undisputed master of Energy weapon, antimatter power plant and genetic engineering technology on mars.
2800-2807 -Secession and civil war. Tannelorn splits from the Divine kingdom on mars, becoming the prefecture. However those still loyal to the king wage a deadly civil war in the asteroid fields for over 7 years. To this day not all of the loyalists were caught and destroyed and are still a menace to civilised worlds and peoples. the Prefecture ends its isolation and reveals the 6th expansion of the fleet. At the end of the civil war tannelorn emerges as one of the preeminent fleet powers in the solar system and beyond [many people are extra solar and Tannelorn is fleet wank and uber scary militarily 349 lol]
Though the old Prince disapeared and Praetor Ibram Yannef takes control of Tannelorn. Problems ensue as Tannelornians are not used to the intricacies of diplomacy. Such concepts as hypocrisy and rudeness for no reason are alien to them.
2810 [now] Tannelorn is currently expanding out of the solar system in an attempt to find more living space for its over 5.6 billion citizens. As well as find new allies and technologies in the face of a growing threat at home.

ok this is what a nation should look like. Now i made sure that i put where the RP began as well so this should give a good idea of how you earn it.

Now having better stuff to start is fine. Just imagine your empire went stagnant and what you had is not as good as it used to be compared to younger more vibrant races. Now you have to catch up to us, having been happily ensconced in your blanket of security.

Now i would personally not let my ship be destroyed by one Superlaser from a smaller nation. This is not because of wank or anything. But because of the intense amount of RP going in to it. Basically it goes like this. The pbs blocks it, it knocks it down and hits the hull causing a large nasty breech. No problems there.


But there is a reason. When scanners are finished they show that Tannelornian armour is not only perfectly formed in 0g but has a current running through it. More detailed scans show it is phased slightly out of synch with reality. There is a very real reason for this. RP wise during my civil war our scientists were dismayed to note that Tannelornian energy weaposn sawed through Tannelornian ships like a hot knife through butter. Now most people would stop and think that maybe its because each Maser has as much power as most ships running through it. But Tannelorn is somewhat paranoid, feeling itself inferior to others. So we developed armour so damn tough that it can hold up. These sort of things are valid. Basically the big reason for this on Tannelorn is simple. There arent many fleets in NS that can stand up to mine.


In short dont get choked if i my named cruiser wipes the floor with a super star destroyer..Because it probably will haha. Anyways thats a good way to go through with it. Now the fact is some nations like SQ have done ALOT more research then others. Tannelorn has as well. Now go ahead you can have all these wonderful things but the moment someone with alot more rp backing comes out..i am gonna all in favour of them.


Now there are a few other fine points i want to make on the war aspect. Now some nations have multiple budgets navy air force ground force. In mini's case he has three full armies, each different. Nations like these cant expect to stand against specialists with sucess. In whatever field the specialist works..they will get owned badly. For instance Prefecture ground war looks like this. We land cruisers and naval troopers. We goad the enemy to attack. We destroy the enemy army groups with orbital bombardment and orbital scale weapons on ground. At the same time morgenreates constantly make life hell for everything. The naval troopers mop up. There is a severe problem with Tannelornian ground offensives. We cant take ground. We can only fight. This means if you can last long enough we have to leave.Attrition works very well on the ground against the prefecture.

Before you start wars always consider these things about your nation. You simply cannot have your cake and eat it too. Unless you rp it to the max. For the last 3 months i have been involved in a certain rp that is kind of sketchy on some parts haha. But when it ends i will be blunt. That last statement wont be true anymore. Tannelorn is in transition. We have no ground army as of yet..but that doesnt mean we arent working on it.

So simple war rule. Look at your nations rp
look at your strengths and weaknesses
understand them
then the rp can work alot better.

Now right now i will tell you with certainty the things i wont budge on
morgenreates [i put so much work in to them they better be feared..mix a gundam with a veritech then give them an SMS hover mode that makes them better then a hover tank lol..and i developed them over two years so...lol]
Ship armour: rp'd and developed from deck plating to phased armour.
Energy weapons power and accuracy unmatched.
This i have almost undisputably at the highest of levels.
Genetic Engineering..i have been rping that since before the fleet even existed. Protein based nanites in human beings to create super soldiers better then space marines, medicine and genetic augmentation just to name a few.
My computers are mentats, or living human computers aided by actualy computers.
Power plants..very efficient and high powered and very very very safe.


now here is things right now i will tell you arent that great.
Missiles...tannelornians have living human computers and their AI is sub par.
AI we simply dont use it.
shields. We dont use a normal shielding system, but several defense barriers that can move to intercept incoming attacks. We dont have full defensive shielding.
Ground army. Its literally two branches right now..one PTPS or Prefecture of tannelorn police service. They recieve additional training for urban warfare. Entirely defensive in nature. Not trained to fight wars on open ground only inside cities.
Naval troopers. Elite of the Elite but too few in number to wage a full on campaign. This is why Tannelorn must win wars quickly..however even if the enemy holds out the Naval troopers stay behind to wage guerilla war for the next wave..we dont give up.
In short Tannelorns ground army is not very good. Only good at defense and special forces style operations. Most ground battles are fought by Morgenreates. And they can easily beat armour groups and armies, but once again taking and holding cities becomes very hard on us. To win a ground war you have to be able to take ground. And though we can run around marauding your armies, we cant actually take your cities easily. This is a majour disadvantage.


ok that in short is the disadvantages and advantages.

Now as for a vote system, that sounds good and if we do wish to set up a government head i have a better idea then on an established system.

Now in any star cluster there are bound to be a few suns that are just that..suns. Everyone pitches in to build a massive space station/artificial world that becomes the council of this place. That way its on totally neutral ground and has alot more legitimacy. On mars the Duma is under the control of a neutral power.

And about wars. Once again the aforementioned solution for a council, works well for wars. Basically greivances that go to blood shed, are bidded on and taken to an arena. This way it can be fair and monitored..and wont spill over in to others nations causing a massive ruckus and blood shed. Totally ICly tannelorn suffered in the Civil war..and the mere though of a city getting hit by a big weapon drives my people in to a frenzy. There would be total war if a nuke hit a city...and it would spill out of this and in tothe main empires.

Finally..I take RP VERY seriously. I dont do things out of character meaning that i have to behave as my nation would.

This is actually a good thing. Tannelorn politically and diplomatically is like ancient china. We give respect from the start..and expect it in return. We dont get it..and you may get occupied while we teach you the finer points of culture. However be respectful and expect alot of gifts. Like say warp drive in trade for apples. However we dont trade weapons technologies and armour. We do have an export morgenreate designed for unmodified humans [ a normal human piloting a MK II 'raete would get splatterd by g forces long before they started to fight in earnest] and we do trade medicines and food. We also dont use money..we trade things. bulk resources and medicines as well as services are the main means of money transfer. Ok i do hope this wasnt to big a rant and i hope it cleared things up for some of the younger nations. This is pretty much just the way things get played lol. Oh and the NSeconomy is buggered. ITs based on what you call your money. The 1453 is actually the best money in the game according to it. I DO NOT use NSeconomy and ignore it entirely.

I use ratings. Ok i hope this enlightened you on my nation and gave you some good ideas on how to work out arguments so they dont slow down rp :) ciao

hmm a question chrono haha, now i think i know why you got way more pop, thats easy you dont do the population control feats.Anyways welcome and dont worry about an ignore and also yes if you truly are a chaos player in warhammer 40k [i am the fluff king of 40k] then people should worry very very much. Especialy if your nation is chaos. Expect wars..cults..a few more wars..and demonic incursions haha.

Oh just to let people know Auman in my region was started after me but almost has same pop. There is a reason. Part of my RP is that Tannelorn has strict child birth controls Every single time the breeding control issue comes up..i use it. My number of pop hasnt budged much in a year. To mention as an addendum to the other thread. Population does not always dictate power. Its a combo or RP and ratings, as well as pop. However population does signify manpower..and when dealing with chaos..well manpower is the primary measure of power to those that dont know 40k. Demons, slave labour, slave crews, slave armies, slave sacrifices..slaves slaves and more slaves haha. I am looking forward to playing with another 40k player.


Last time was in the 2nd hellespontos war the imperial navy. Gonna enjoy this. Alot. However i can see your the imperials? i hope so at least..a little confusing, sundering hand of chaos then divine emperor. If your the imperium Tannelorn and you will get along very very nicely... in fact Chronosia. www.sunsetrpg.com thats the website you can find my factbooks in. planetary datalinks just log in as guest. Once you read society and culture you will quickly understand why the imperials and Tannelorn would get along quite nicely. lol

Welcome Chron. Long time no see.

IC I don't mind a little Chaos. It helps loosen up the strict Order dull-drums. I have allways considered my self Neutral (even though I don't think it actually exists in WH40K) nation because I know Creation needs both forces to exist. This is a Racial Knowlege of mine.

Neutral...orks. Everyone loves orks. Actually it makes for a lot of fun. I mean hell think of cults springing up all over the place little demonic incursions. Since most of us icly wouldnt understand what it was. The Chronosians in their colony could just sit there with angelic smiles on their faces, hands in there going, i dunno guys. haha.

I rped alot too but on a video game called empire earth. I like RTS RPs since you can reply more quickly see your acts and diplomacy and such. Although im not as old as you guys in NationStates i do have experience as you see in my stories. Also I read a crap load of Sci Fi novels and eBooks

"An entire section? This is more than acceptable. This sector is now Pananab space, and I do believe you're all here uninvited. We would like to enjoy some privacy for the moment."
The Yellow Alert signal was canceled.


This just seems rude to me, considering the size of territory that was given to them...

Oh well, the difference between IC and OOC knowlege.


The Homeguard are ships assigned to guard the systems I inhabit. They are seperate from the military and are not counted as part of my Fleet. The closest I can describe them is they would be like the Coast Guard, but seriously armed like the Navy. Each system I possess has their own Homeguard. The ships and numbers assigned to them are based upon the status of the system. Primary System Status would get the most while secondary and tertiary would get their respective levels.

They only have to last the ten minutes it takes me to wormhole in a fleet form elsewhere.

MM, I really don't understand what you meant by your comment that was aimed at me.

As a nation I embrace Entropy as much as Order. I use the strengths of both while tossing away the weakness. I have no problem with his Entropy IC. I also have no reason to fight him. As a matter of fact, I believe we both are still members if the ESUS Alliance, but I have not checked the member lists in a while. That is why I invited him to visit, because we know of him.

As far as countering me, I am only helping the Founder of the region enforce the only rule he really wants enforced. By you accepting the lease, you agreed to not fight with your neighbors (all the other tennants) in the cluster. He even stated once he even could demand rent but all he wants is for the infighting to stop.

He started a colonization thread and a number of players are hijacking it to turn into a combat thread. Waterhelper can evict you for violation of your lease but has given everyone several chances to clean up their acts. Tannelorn and I are trying to help him in keeping this on track, with his permission.

We are not being thread "nazis" like you claimed to another player...

here is some more info on FOXHOUND marines

pics

http://www.metalgear.it/mg_imm/artworks/Gray_Fox_ninja.bmp

http://www.metalgear.it/mg_imm/artworks/ninja.jpg

http://www.metalgear.it/mg_imm/artworks/1_1e.gif

http://www.freewebs.com/meryl_site/ninja%5B2%5D.jpg
The FOXHOUND project was started after the 2nd Tigerlanian Civil war as a preamntive mesure aggainst another civil war(assasinating the leader of the uprising to restore order) origionaly there were 120 selected who met the reqirements (age,fitness,etc.) only 10 servived the severe genetic engineering, sleep deprivation, fusion to the siut, air deprivation,starvation,anti-torture treatment (torture to develup resistance to torture),etc.

they have the abbilaty to clouk themselves and to walk in silence (sound dempeners) thermal vision, indetectable to thermals(infa red will still pick them up, we are working on that)night vision,sheilding(similer to covenent eliet shields therefore near inpenitrable to nanites if thier shield is online)and EMP resistance, basicly the altement assasin and recon soldier.

weapons include combat Katana, sniper rifle with silencer

now how about a demenstration? here is a small vidoe recording of FOXHOUND in action
http://shoopshq.com/Flash%20Movies/Gray%20Fox%20BLock.swf

or if that doesnt work try http://shoopshq.com/Flash%20Movies/Gray%20Fox%20BLock.swf

When I saw those pics I thought it was the guy from the Metal Gear Solid game. That video just prooves it.

here is some more info on FOXHOUND marines

pics

http://www.metalgear.it/mg_imm/artworks/Gray_Fox_ninja.bmp

http://www.metalgear.it/mg_imm/artworks/ninja.jpg

http://www.metalgear.it/mg_imm/artworks/1_1e.gif

http://www.freewebs.com/meryl_site/ninja%5B2%5D.jpg
The FOXHOUND project was started after the 2nd Tigerlanian Civil war as a preamntive mesure aggainst another civil war(assasinating the leader of the uprising to restore order) origionaly there were 120 selected who met the reqirements (age,fitness,etc.) only 10 servived the severe genetic engineering, sleep deprivation, fusion to the siut, air deprivation,starvation,anti-torture treatment (torture to develup resistance to torture),etc.

they have the abbilaty to clouk themselves and to walk in silence (sound dempeners) thermal vision, indetectable to thermals(infa red will still pick them up, we are working on that)night vision,sheilding(similer to covenent eliet shields therefore near inpenitrable to nanites if thier shield is online)and EMP resistance, basicly the altement assasin and recon soldier.

weapons include combat Katana, sniper rifle with silencer

now how about a demenstration? here is a small vidoe recording of FOXHOUND in action
http://shoopshq.com/Flash%20Movies/Gray%20Fox%20BLock.swf

or if that doesnt work try http://shoopshq.com/Flash%20Movies/Gray%20Fox%20BLock.swf

When I saw those pics I thought it was the guy from the Metal Gear Solid game. That video just prooves it.

it is the guy from MGS (one of the best games ever) I just added backround and a few new things (like lack of insanity)

also another add on to the story is that oddly there were 5 male survivers and 5
female survivers, therefore they are grouped in teams of 1 male 1 female

OOC: @Tigerlan:
1.) The Jumper was operating indepent from the colony at that moment, thus the guys at Botany don't know about it, yet.
2.) It would have taken a couple of days for the FC ship to get your new Gate to you.
3.) The Jumper sent you the co-ordinates of the unclaimed planet where they had detected a Gate activation so you could send a ship to investigate.
4.) A simple IC mistake, I'll just have to flow with it.
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OOC: Here is a few pics.
Typical Male Furling: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/JPKTrekker/Character%20Pics/spacer_fox_75.jpg
Typical Male Alteran: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/JPKTrekker/Character%20Pics/av-4.jpg
Typical Male Draconian: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/JPKTrekker/Character%20Pics/Bronze_Dragon_by_jaxxblackfox.jpg
Typical Female Alteran: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/JPKTrekker/Character%20Pics/whr_robin0185.jpg
Typical Female Draconian: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/JPKTrekker/Character%20Pics/nambroths_trilliumgrotto.jpg
Typical Female Furling: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/JPKTrekker/Character%20Pics/genetgirl_spacer.jpg
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OOC: The Furlings (cookie if you get the reference) are supposed to have evolved from a fox-like creature on their homeworld.
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OOC: I've built the Botany Gate Facility into a mountain (started with natural caves and expanded from there), just like in the series. The roof of the Gate Room opens to allow any Jumpers, or similar ships, that come through access to the outside world.
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Please use the OOC Thread for all OOC material

As you wish, dude. I was operating under the assumption it was only 100% pure OOC posts that weren't allowed in the IC thread.

Lost the link. Isn't posted or bumped as much I'd like.

Pananab is planning to expand if the oppertunity presents itself. We're a bunch of rogues, so we're not exactly trustworthy.

Seaquest do you have MSN or yahoo? it might be easyer for us to RP this meeting together if we hade a direct feed, then we could post the conversation on the forums

Seaquest do you have MSN or yahoo? it might be easyer for us to RP this meeting together if we hade a direct feed, then we could post the conversation on the forums

Both actually. I rarely use them as they really lag my computer up.

could you give me your MSN messenger name? then we could move this talk along faster

or yahoo, I dont care which


Myne are Zapstar385@hotmail.com
Zapstar385@yahoo.com

could you give me your MSN messenger name? then we could move this talk along faster

or yahoo, I dont care which


Myne are Zapstar385@hotmail.com
Zapstar385@yahoo.com

I'll TG it to you (I don't want just anyone to see this thread, get it, and start spam messaging me).

ok i put link on the front page (finally after i spent five min looking for the link)
about my ships being weak:
My ships sheilds are pitiful and rely mostly on their carbon nanotube armor/ faraday cage.
Also using a quantum singularity as a tropedo is actually powerful enough to destroy most if not all ships as it can give off a terrawat of energy in a short time. (as gravity and then you have to add the temporal stresses because as one part of the ship is fast another is slow and it can essecially rip a ship apart with this) The type of singularrity used is a forced quantum singularity, but it cannot be sustained [because of its small size) so it lasts for only a short period of time but still emmits massive ammounts of evergy. (so sucks it in as the case my be)

I'll TG it to you (I don't want just anyone to see this thread, get it, and start spam messaging me).

will you log on?

in response to mini miehms dull point in the ic thread which was ooc..well its not balrogga you need to check. I am not currently engaged in any wars mini nor are my allies..however we are engaged in a cold war..and are building up signifigantly. If you guys are involved in any wars and mini i know you are. The resources you have to mount a campaign are limited. Plus i am sure there are more people that dont like you here, then like you. War is not a good idea. Though i wont lie it could be a fun start..and a good basis for the councils formation, through steel and fire.


Actually that sounds like a good idea to me. Tannelorn may have a massive military but its all in the fleet. Its almost entirely up to my allies [in system before others, i prefer not to call in a massive alliance for this those kind of wars bog down fast] to take the ground with support, and pretty much to me and balrogga to keep the skies clear. With several large players involved the smaller nations fleets just wont be able to stop them. Especially chronosia who can call cardboard on anyone but me and balrogga. Namely cause the other people involved tend to hover between 200 mil to 1 or so billion.

hmm that leads to an interesting point. Since so many people want a big war maybe there should be one. After all this is a massive system. And even with balrogga and i patrolling it security could be spread thin. Any large marauders ie mini miehm, chronosia, could pretty much raid a smaller colony before any help could arrive. And when it did the situation could quickly escalate. Alright lets vote.

Should we have a large war over this sector. We arent talking WW II occupying home worlds. But a large war over this system, to flesh out its beginnings, and give a governing body legitimacy.
vote.

I think we should vote on this ooc because everyone is just arguing ic about it. So if the will is there it could happen. Of course it could be stopped before it happened. Thats where Balrogga and i come in. But if we really really want this..so be it, vote.

This shouldnt interfere however with the other RP's nor over take it. And the actual war would be organised and dealt with on several different threads and taken out of this one entirely.

kk this should stop the arguing and the wanking going on. I hope

in response to mini miehms dull point in the ic thread which was ooc..well its not balrogga you need to check. I am not currently engaged in any wars mini nor are my allies..however we are engaged in a cold war..and are building up signifigantly. If you guys are involved in any wars and mini i know you are. The resources you have to mount a campaign are limited. Plus i am sure there are more people that dont like you here, then like you. War is not a good idea. Though i wont lie it could be a fun start..and a good basis for the councils formation, through steel and fire.


Actually that sounds like a good idea to me. Tannelorn may have a massive military but its all in the fleet. Its almost entirely up to my allies [in system before others, i prefer not to call in a massive alliance for this those kind of wars bog down fast] to take the ground with support, and pretty much to me and balrogga to keep the skies clear. With several large players involved the smaller nations fleets just wont be able to stop them. Especially chronosia who can call cardboard on anyone but me and balrogga. Namely cause the other people involved tend to hover between 200 mil to 1 or so billion.

hmm that leads to an interesting point. Since so many people want a big war maybe there should be one. After all this is a massive system. And even with balrogga and i patrolling it security could be spread thin. Any large marauders ie mini miehm, chronosia, could pretty much raid a smaller colony before any help could arrive. And when it did the situation could quickly escalate. Alright lets vote.

Should we have a large war over this sector. We arent talking WW II occupying home worlds. But a large war over this system, to flesh out its beginnings, and give a governing body legitimacy.
vote.

I think we should vote on this ooc because everyone is just arguing ic about it. So if the will is there it could happen. Of course it could be stopped before it happened. Thats where Balrogga and i come in. But if we really really want this..so be it, vote.

This shouldnt interfere however with the other RP's nor over take it. And the actual war would be organised and dealt with on several different threads and taken out of this one entirely.

kk this should stop the arguing and the wanking going on. I hope

If Bal is checked, one of 2 things will happen, I hope...

He'll either support me, and my ally, or just sit it out, while I bring in oodles and oodles of backup. Because I have PLENTY of allies, and I think a massive destructive war is ALWAYS fun.

Also, I'm not yet involved in any wars, and the one I'm soon going to be in hasn't started yet, meaning I can recall my forces and send them all here. I've got several detatched forces, and units from the Zeji Armada, roaming the various Galaxes, but that's actually a VERY small amount, like 3-4 BatCruRons , a couple Carrier Groups, and a bunch of Zeji in one thread... But, other tha n that I'm actually pretty hard up for conflict recently...

EDIT: I am officially at war. TCG will die messily, I will lose a few dozen ships, and it'll be fun.

Oh, and what about me?

And personally I don't want this to become a fight of who has more allies. We ought to have a list going to see who's on whose side.

We'll call them A and B.

A
Waterhelper
SeaQuest
Tigerlan
Tannenlorn(?)
Balrogga(?)
Mini Meihm

B
Pananab
Chronosia
Gate Builders

in response to mini miehms dull point in the ic thread which was ooc..well its not balrogga you need to check. I am not currently engaged in any wars mini nor are my allies..however we are engaged in a cold war..and are building up signifigantly. If you guys are involved in any wars and mini i know you are. The resources you have to mount a campaign are limited. Plus i am sure there are more people that dont like you here, then like you. War is not a good idea. Though i wont lie it could be a fun start..and a good basis for the councils formation, through steel and fire.


Actually that sounds like a good idea to me. Tannelorn may have a massive military but its all in the fleet. Its almost entirely up to my allies [in system before others, i prefer not to call in a massive alliance for this those kind of wars bog down fast] to take the ground with support, and pretty much to me and balrogga to keep the skies clear. With several large players involved the smaller nations fleets just wont be able to stop them. Especially chronosia who can call cardboard on anyone but me and balrogga. Namely cause the other people involved tend to hover between 200 mil to 1 or so billion.

hmm that leads to an interesting point. Since so many people want a big war maybe there should be one. After all this is a massive system. And even with balrogga and i patrolling it security could be spread thin. Any large marauders ie mini miehm, chronosia, could pretty much raid a smaller colony before any help could arrive. And when it did the situation could quickly escalate. Alright lets vote.

Should we have a large war over this sector. We arent talking WW II occupying home worlds. But a large war over this system, to flesh out its beginnings, and give a governing body legitimacy.
vote.

I think we should vote on this ooc because everyone is just arguing ic about it. So if the will is there it could happen. Of course it could be stopped before it happened. Thats where Balrogga and i come in. But if we really really want this..so be it, vote.

This shouldnt interfere however with the other RP's nor over take it. And the actual war would be organised and dealt with on several different threads and taken out of this one entirely.

kk this should stop the arguing and the wanking going on. I hope

I also vote for this "war", (it seems strange that you would say mini miehm is a large force, my nation is larger then his{almost 2 billion}) my forces are rather limited in space due to the large fleet restoration project going on(The SW fleet you all have seen is only an old branch of my navy{dateing back to befor the 2nd Tigerlanian Civil war}) my land forces are mutch more develuot then my fleet, they have more expierance and Budget( we are in the process of changing that to a more ballenced one).

I also vote for this "war", (it seems strange that you would say mini miehm is a large force, my nation is larger then his{almost 2 billion}) my forces are rather limited in space due to the large fleet restoration project going on(The SW fleet you all have seen is only an old branch of my navy{dateing back to befor the 2nd Tigerlanian Civil war}) my land forces are mutch more develuot then my fleet, they have more expierance and Budget( we are in the process of changing that to a more ballenced one).

You are still a number-wanker. I am someone who has power, and the ability to project it. BIG difference.

Oh, and what about me?

And personally I don't want this to become a fight of who has more allies. We ought to have a list going to see who's on whose side.

We'll call them A and B.

A
Waterhelper
SeaQuest
Tigerlan
Tannenlorn(?)
Balrogga(?)

B
Pananab
Chronosia
Gate Builders
Mini Miehm

I think of myself on Waterhelpers side, weeding out the weak... And since I kinda want to end up corrupting his nation into a twisted parody of mine, I don't want to end up fighting him...

'Weeding out the Weak'?

'Weeding out the Weak'?

YOU SEE NOTHING!!! Yes. As in, "undesirable elements". Anyone the Terrans consider to be undesirable is automatically labeled as weak. Think of it as a national flaw. And that's exactly why the Terrans are there. If Waterhelper has an area where he's surrounded by BIG(powerful, and friendly to HIM) nations, then he'll ALWAYS have a decent fallback position, something the Terrans currently lack(but are working on...)

Yes, I always think in the military implications of things.

But you have me, and Pananab and Chronosia (And therefore you and I) could be allies should the oppertunity presents itself. Unrealistic thing I did with Green Sun was ally myself with him, when GS is more or less the opposite of Chronosia, whereas Pananab is more alike to Chronosia. So there's two forces to be reckoned with. Pananab would drive Waterhelper into the ground in an instant if the oppertunity presented itself.

But you have me, and Pananab and Chronosia (And therefore you and I) could be allies should the oppertunity presents itself. Unrealistic thing I did with Green Sun was ally myself with him, when GS is more or less the opposite of Chronosia, whereas Pananab is more alike to Chronosia.

But I can't corrupt YOU into a little "Mini Miehm Mini Me" I can probably pull that off with Waterhelper. Much as I psuedo-corrupted CW.

CW? Coreworlds, oh yeah.

Well, I won't care, as long as you don't fight me. I'd get wiped.

CW? Coreworlds, oh yeah.

Well, I won't care, as long as you don't fight me. I'd get wiped.

Heh. Alot of people say that. Im more of a maverick than even Chron realizes. But, if you don't try anything stupid IC, we won't have any issues. Since my nations entire purpose(OOCly) is the destruction of morons on NS.

I think of myself on Waterhelpers side, weeding out the weak... And since I kinda want to end up corrupting his nation into a twisted parody of mine, I don't want to end up fighting him...

I dont think he would like that varry mutch, he most likely wouldnt allow it.

I dont think he would like that varry mutch, he most likely wouldnt allow it.

He already knows I intend to do it. He may not LIKE it, but it's almost inevitable...

He already knows I intend to do it. He may not LIKE it, but it's almost inevitable...

how is it inevitable? he can simply ignore you, or he could call in allies, eather way it isnt inevitable, not even close, its more of a pipe dream

how is it inevitable? he can simply ignore you, or he could call in allies, eather way it isnt inevitable, not even close, its more of a pipe dream

Says you... You know not that of which you speak. He will be corrupted, simply by adopting my technology, bit by bit...

so you think miehm

so you think miehm

So I know...

I cant be adopting tech if you wont let me have it. :p And really im not that weak... if i have a sufficient amount of carbon nanotube armor then no energy based weapon can penetrate it and sice it is also aerogel forget projectile weaponry. now off to finishing the specs for a light cruiser and a flagship.

next weapon: (thankyou nanobots and your ability to store information... coupled with genetic engeneering means i can make my people do things that others cant like lift a ton or something.)
pure plasma beam

Next unit:
CL, flagship, starbace (multirole but mainly defensive)

I cant be adopting tech if you wont let me have it. :p And really im not that weak... if i have a sufficient amount of carbon nanotube armor then no energy based weapon can penetrate it and sice it is also aerogel forget projectile weaponry. now off to finishing the specs for a light cruiser and a flagship.

next weapon: (thankyou nanobots and your ability to store information... coupled with genetic engeneering means i can make my people do things that others cant like lift a ton or something.)
pure plasma beam

Next unit:
CL, flagship, starbace (multirole but mainly defensive)

Part of the idea is that you'll end up begging me\being my minion to get the stuff.

Of course it's inevitable; Miehm has powerful allies in the ways of corruption :D

Of course it's inevitable; Miehm has powerful allies in the ways of corruption :D

But I'm a maverick, and intrend to do it MY way.

Such potential, wasted by arrogance...You serve your purpose regardless

I am going to completely redesign my fleet again... third time in a month (now i will have my own and ships from SFGC or modified versions thereof)

Such potential, wasted by arrogance...You serve your purpose regardless


I'm no more arrogant than you are Marcus... In fact, I toned the arrogance way down. I'm just militarily vicious, as opposed to my diplomatic crap of the early days.

And yet anything you attempt, I will always be stronger :P And more vicious, and more devious...And more sadistic

And yet anything you attempt, I will always be stronger :P And more vicious, and more devious...And more sadistic

Not vicious, definitrely sadistic though...

SLAANESHI!!!!

Dude....I worship all four gods; I get sadism from Slaanesh and viciousness from Khorne

Dude....I worship all four gods; I get sadism from Slaanesh and viciousness from Khorne

I get viciousness from my GF, Khorne has nothing on women.

my flagship is the only ship with enough power to use the molecular star funsion guns with the power of 1 terrawat per shot. (its 5km and was being constructed since i joined. but for now it is confined to my home system)

my flagship is the only ship with enough power to use the molecular star funsion guns with the power of 1 terrawat per shot. (its 5km and was being constructed since i joined. but for now it is confined to my home system)

Terrawatt weapons... Feh. Single Terrawatt Lasers are my light guns. Because I like using obscene amounts of firepower.

anything byond that is byond by technology... for now

Yeah, we're pretty nifty with technology; we go for anything that causes out and out devestation.

Yeah, we're pretty nifty with technology; we go for anything that causes out and out devestation.

Planet Killer! Abaddon! WHEE!!!!

Remember Waterhelper, tou also have two powerful allies acting as your police force. We both could help you if you wanted.

One thing to remember, it takes time outside a rp to develop new things and concepts. It also takes time to implement them into service too. Fluif time exists outside any current RPs and others will complain if you bring in stuff that would take months to R&D between two posts that actually only had seconds pass IC.

Second point:

It sounds like many players are acting like they have an endlesss supply of crew. Remember, your military size is dependant upon your NS population. Your military would be typically 3% of your population. Anything over 5% is typically thought to endanger the collapse of your economy.

Now, you could use that whole military, but then you would be pulling personal from your defenses. You would also be using the staff needed for supplying your forces. My active combat personal would be ideally 10% - 20% of my total military. The rest are designated for support and defensive purposes.

Check out the Sticky Threads for more Info.

lol well then also you would require huge lasers to get through he armor on that thing 5' of carbon nanotube aerogel

point one: I know i try to keep a lag between the time i make ships and k send them into battle

just keep anything that is not needed at home system and then the solderis could have second jobs and such (actually entire army is milatary... general enlistment act sice my ecconomy is basicly nonexsistent because of replicators)

lol well then also you would require huge lasers to get through he armor on that thing 5' of carbon nanotube aerogel

Umm... 30 Terrawatts and you start having heat issues, but when you're only spiking at about 10, then you can still do plenty of damage(Megadeaths and such) while having a decently sized reactor.

about the heat issues.... its mostly a vacuum and the fibers are of different lengths so its hard for heat to conduct effectively.. if you are talking about someone attacking me.. if not carbon nanotubes make good heat insulators if you place them in rows but if it enters the ends it is a good conductor.

I consider Pananab to be an exception to most rules, since it is a huge nomadic Military fleet. Pananab's military numbers can be much, much higher than that of a normal nation's and the technology used expands over just about damn near everything.

How much of your military is used for logistics? Do you need fuel? Amunition? Food? Repairs?

In one of the threads I have read a while back concerning this subject, another nation considered themselves the same as you (a borg nation I think) but it was suggested if you only played with the military then you could only use the small percentage. That caused quite a stir...

I just don't remember where it was but that was about two years ago.

Replicator Technology doesn't take the place of the jobs of 90% of your nation. Look at the series that first introduced them, there are so many non-military citizens in the trek universe filling important jobs that everything would collapse if they went away.

Each ship has a competent crew for logistics. Most of the ships have state-of-the-art sensors, as per ordered by the General-Admiral.
Many ships are self-sufficient in one way or another for some things, but because Pananab does a lot of trading, it usually buys what it needs every pit stop. When it can't buy things, the Fleets will stop by a Colony or a ship with an Excess and get what they can. As for parts, many ships are in ill-repair and improvise with what they can buy, steal, or salvage, but Stowes doesn't allow ships to go out unable for combat or escape. Ammo isn't much of a problem because there is plenty on the market and most of the ships don't use ammo-dependent weaponry anyways.

With what we can't salvage or steal, we trade for or gather ourselves, basicly.

no they dont but they free up factory workers (other then a shipyard), farmers, sales men/ women, just about anything that has to do with production and sales except for ships, dilithium, naquadah, and production/ collection of antimatter. In the US that is about 20% of the population. Also the surplus soldiers ar used for that asi only need a precentange of them at any given time. (Also I believe N korea's population is about 30% milatary, and china has 500,000,000 in the malitia and armemed forces combined so.... well it proves my point)

Please read this Thread from the Stickies:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380336

will you log on?

I was on for a few hours. Went AFK due to RL stuff.

So I know...

Dude, always expect the unexpected. That way you'll never be surprised when your plans fail. Just know OOC'ly, in this case, I will do my best to stop this corruption (and do my best to not use OOC info IC'ly (which I've never done yet)).

what is Lorinxx's status? single? i was wondering if you wanted to start a romance between Lenov and her?

what is Lorinxx's status? single? i was wondering if you wanted to start a romance between Lenov and her?

Single. At 0414 hours, I'm not on my best game. I'll think about it.

Please read this Thread from the Stickies:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380336

Its doesn't actually inculde replicators.... think of it like England during WW1 they recruited all their farmers so they engended up haveing a diet of potatoes, but if they had replicators that wouldn't happen so I could effectively increase that by 20%.
production (agriculture and industry) vs. Services in differnt countries: (taken from CIA world factbook 2003)
US: services: 80% production: 20%
Nigeria: production: 80% services: 20%
norway: services: 74% production: 28%

see my point. even without replicators i could just use robots to do the farming and production and still free up part of my population.
note the word part I would free up 1/2 of the potential with replicators but that is still 10%.
With 20% that is 20,000,000 active troops and there are always malitia if they get wiped out. with logistics i like to say i have a total of 7,000,000 fighting and 13,000,000 logistics

He has a valid point. FT can do much more with fewer people.

What do you feed the Replicators and who fixes them when they are being used continously...


Edit:

What I meant by feeding them is, Replicator Technology takes a basic set of elements and created other elements out of them. You need the basic mass to come from somewhere or you end up with something that is as real as food on the Holodeck. Eat all you want but you will starve without real food.

This means you will need to come up with a source for all that mass they are consuming. You also should R&D that discovery and implementation of it.

I came up with a solution and roleplayed it but that was before NS moved to the Jolt servers and they lost the Thread. So much stuff was lost back then...

Its an element that vital to the Asgard for rebuilding its civilization. I forgot the name of it though.

Replicators work by arranging the subatomic particles that are abundent [nearly] everywhere so in theory you can use it even when there is nothing [seen] to convert. Even without that i can always fill unused rooms comletely with rock or somethng to ive me my bulk mass, but I prefer the first explination. (still limited by the ammount of power I can allocate to replicators in a battle)

the element is nutronium, however my technology is not to the point where i can exploit is successfully.

And no they aren't being used continously (please dont include water and air there is always CO2 and wate elememnts in the water to filter/ convert)

i know the entire 1st and second hellespontos wars were lost then as well as alot of other stuff /cry. Anyways yes you must rp your development...i didnt spend a year as a gimpy nation using some pretty hokey stuff while developing for nothing. Everyone has to other then ratings..which by the way you may want to check today..woot 332! lol, RP is the most important facet of a nations development. You can say you have black hole generators and gravity compression guns..but if its not rp'd then its a hokey science and tech at school version that is junk compared to our highly refined lower tech weapons. Its that simple, and as for replicators. Now neutronium..go for it..there are stronger things then any one base element. Science can make steel stronger then the toughest "duranium" or "neutronium" it doesnt matter what you use so long as its rp'd haha.

Now for militaries. Yes you absolutely can only have about 5% with a modernised military. You need people to stay at home and make babies, food, weapons, entertainment, run the government, run the country itself, make money to fight the war etc etc. Even Tannelorn, whose basis is as the fleet of a larger alliance..still has billions of civilians, in fact the amount of true fighting men and women is around 600 000 the rest are all the essential support personnel an army needs.

Now pananab can have higher military numbers..but he is gonna suffer big time for the lack of any infrastructure. Losses take forever to replace..R&D is stagnant. I could concievably as Tannelorn however have a military of 500 million, with over 100 million fighting men. I dont however..i just have a horrificaly frightening fleet/airforce/tank force [morgenreates are detailed in my factbook on sunsetrpg.com go take a look its an important part of the national character..its not just a combat vehicle.] And almost no infantry force whatsoever. At least offensive infantry..we do have defensive infantry.

now my military numbers at around 2 million. some of my allies have up to 10 million. We understand that having an army that is 5% of your nation would be unwieldy and somewhat cruddy lol. Anyways so pananab you are actually much more like a pirate force..unless you have world ships. Pirates and mercs have to constantly make money to upgrade and stay afloat..so you would have to follow such rules yourself, and pirate or merc yourself out.

PS oh and mini...if you use Terrawatts..then my CNRHK's are worth a hell of a lot more.
1 i have never seen you rp anything but a war.
2 i am sure you have used them since your join date.
3 your military is only 5000 and your nation is only 1.7billion
4 it doesnt matter what wank you use..rp is rp and your billion terrawat laser is no match for even 1-2 CNRHK or gigawatts of another much older player who has actually gone through the trouble to role play what he has.
5 you are a tech wanker..its nice to know what tech you use sure..its nice to have pretty numbers. But other people can tech wank too..and they seem to know a hell of alot more about the technology you are talking about then you do. Hell i bet you dont even know how your black hole guns work. Let me explain.
They do not actually create black holes and gravity wells to become weapons. The black hole once released from the magnetic field would cease to exist without enough mass around it..in milliseconds.
They compress enough matter to create a small black hole inside a magnetic field then push more and more matter in till it hiccups and releases a gamma ray burst.

I used to use these but they are inneficient, you can do the same thing with a magnetic field, hydrogen bombs and a focusing laser array..and you can do it better, faster, cheaper and most importantly safer.

You do not use anything more special then any other 1.7 bil nation who hasnt rp'd any development. Alot of the older players did indeed lose their early development on the switch to jolt. However we never stopped developing and thats very important. Nations like SQ who constantly R&D have far far more credibility then you. If i were the arbitrator in a war between you and SQ...he would have the vast technological edge.

Mini so far all you want to do is fight, all you want to do is squabble and you go around challenging much older players with your pitiful tech ratings as if you have something over them. Waterhelper has one very big ship with a big gun..and he is developing it. So in my eyes its hero bonus beats your ships hero bonus quite handily.


Now i am all for a big war in the cluster..but i dont want to see oh i use this so its better. There are certain things people have rp'd in the past that can be..and by rp logic yes that works. But simply oh my wank is stronger then your wank is not acceptable. Rp can be stronger, but save tech wanking for the star trek vs star wars thread. Its totally ok to describe the tech, to say what it is and give it ratings. But to let you know we use measurements in the Vascilian league like Centons, yarns, space yarns, and CNRHK's to describe distances and power output. What is 1 CNRHK equal too? well 1 CNRHK is the equivalent of a large earth quake for energy released. The death star is 30. Thats the only info i have ever given on what our measurements are..to avoid wank.

Now if you have RP'd something to be good..then it should be good..depending on the amount of rp you and the other people have put in it could wind up that everything is good. But until i see something credible from Mini miehm, his stuff may as well be cardboard as far as i am concerned. Same goes for anyone else with these vast claims and tiny nations with no RP to back it up. Just mini is the loudest so i had to say it. No hard feelings but dude seriously..if you did this sort of thing to some of the people we play with on mars about 50 billion worth of large nation would come crashing down on you.

ah well guess I have to downgrade my millatary to.... oh about the year 2360-80 in the ST universe (as in TNG/ Voyager just not to the point of useing Zero Point Energy like quantum torpedos. But I have Warp capible torps, my normal nanobots, carbon nanotubes, and hyperdrive [and coaxial warp drive in addition to the normal warp drive]. Also there will be numerous differnances and added technology (say from stargate, star wars, etc))

Well I'm off to redesign ships to these standards (well they are weak since most FT nations use SW tech+ and ST tech is 1/10 the power of SW or a even greater destance away.) This might take a while so dont starta a war yet i need to finish fleet.

Edit: screw the warp torps till I rp the development just reg photon

Tannelorn...I would ask that you actually do a little research before you start a rant.

And use proper punctuation and capitalization, there's a good child, no?

It lets people read your long rant crap without wanting to gouge out their eyeballs.

Your logic is fallacious, Waterhelper's is fallacious as well, and from what I've seen of MM, and what he bases his tech off, his makes sense. He does techwank a bit...but honey...don't berate someone else for mistakes you repeat.

Your size does not give you virtue. Your size does not make you right. It just means you should know better.

And from what I've seen, lothra uss...you don't.

PS oh and mini...if you use Terrawatts..then my CNRHK's are worth a hell of a lot more.
1 i have never seen you rp anything but a war.
2 i am sure you have used them since your join date.
3 your military is only 5000 and your nation is only 1.7billion
4 it doesnt matter what wank you use..rp is rp and your billion terrawat laser is no match for even 1-2 CNRHK or gigawatts of another much older player who has actually gone through the trouble to role play what he has.
5 you are a tech wanker..its nice to know what tech you use sure..its nice to have pretty numbers. But other people can tech wank too..and they seem to know a hell of alot more about the technology you are talking about then you do. Hell i bet you dont even know how your black hole guns work. Let me explain.
They do not actually create black holes and gravity wells to become weapons. The black hole once released from the magnetic field would cease to exist without enough mass around it..in milliseconds.
They compress enough matter to create a small black hole inside a magnetic field then push more and more matter in till it hiccups and releases a gamma ray burst.

I used to use these but they are inneficient, you can do the same thing with a magnetic field, hydrogen bombs and a focusing laser array..and you can do it better, faster, cheaper and most importantly safer.

You do not use anything more special then any other 1.7 bil nation who hasnt rp'd any development. Alot of the older players did indeed lose their early development on the switch to jolt. However we never stopped developing and thats very important. Nations like SQ who constantly R&D have far far more credibility then you. If i were the arbitrator in a war between you and SQ...he would have the vast technological edge.

Mini so far all you want to do is fight, all you want to do is squabble and you go around challenging much older players with your pitiful tech ratings as if you have something over them. Waterhelper has one very big ship with a big gun..and he is developing it. So in my eyes its hero bonus beats your ships hero bonus quite handily.


Now i am all for a big war in the cluster..but i dont want to see oh i use this so its better. There are certain things people have rp'd in the past that can be..and by rp logic yes that works. But simply oh my wank is stronger then your wank is not acceptable. Rp can be stronger, but save tech wanking for the star trek vs star wars thread. Its totally ok to describe the tech, to say what it is and give it ratings. But to let you know we use measurements in the Vascilian league like Centons, yarns, space yarns, and CNRHK's to describe distances and power output. What is 1 CNRHK equal too? well 1 CNRHK is the equivalent of a large earth quake for energy released. The death star is 30. Thats the only info i have ever given on what our measurements are..to avoid wank.

Now if you have RP'd something to be good..then it should be good..depending on the amount of rp you and the other people have put in it could wind up that everything is good. But until i see something credible from Mini miehm, his stuff may as well be cardboard as far as i am concerned. Same goes for anyone else with these vast claims and tiny nations with no RP to back it up. Just mini is the loudest so i had to say it. No hard feelings but dude seriously..if you did this sort of thing to some of the people we play with on mars about 50 billion worth of large nation would come crashing down on you.

You are babbling idiocy.

1 Terrawatt is ALWAYS 1 Terrawatt. 1 Gigawatt is ALWAYS less than 1 Terrawatt.

1: I've RPed a few other things, but war is about all there is to do that entertains me in FT.

2: I'm not sure what you're talking about here... If you mean my weapons, I've added a few things as I went, but most of it's been pretty constant, because I started at a decent tech level, instead of letting older and larger nations have the opportunity to bugger my navy at will.

3: Ratings mean nothing. Even large nations respect the Terran Space Navy.

4: Again, 1 Terrawatt is ALWAYS more than a gigawatt, no matter how old the RPer is. That argument is possibly THE single most idiotic thing I have ever heard.

5: You are, once again, ignorant of what you speak. I know my technology better than you do, it is my tech afterall.
There are NO "black hoile guns" in SC, read the definition of the Yamato Cannon in the SC manual.

I use my tech. It's plenty special. In fact, it's some of the best out there in the main II community. Now, wherever you RP seems to be significantly different than it is around here, if you don't like the way I do things, maybe you should just go back to your little friends. I'm sure that as far as their concerned you are the font of all knowledge where FT is concerned, but I am honestly less than impressed by you. It seems to me that your only purpose here is to fit everyone into your little mold as to what is and is not proper, and frankly that just makes you a total idiot. the way I play my nation is the way it is going to be played.

SQ is honestly a decent RPer, I don't like him, and I think some of his ideas are frankly crap, but the way his nation is played is his business, not mine. If he wants to RP every little development, that's his business, personally, I started with just about everything I use right now, and I felt that it was perfectly suited to its purpose, so, no upgrades have occurred. If I posted the history for my nation it might make more sensae, but, I'm too lazy to type up something that long in one sitting, and it'd probably be several pages long...

Tannelorn...I would ask that you actually do a little research before you start a rant.

And use proper punctuation and capitalization, there's a good child, no?

It lets people read your long rant crap without wanting to gouge out their eyeballs.

Your logic is fallacious, Waterhelper's is fallacious as well, and from what I've seen of MM, and what he bases his tech off, his makes sense. He does techwank a bit...but honey...don't berate someone else for mistakes you repeat.

Your size does not give you virtue. Your size does not make you right. It just means you should know better.

And from what I've seen, lothra uss...you don't.

Agreed. Size isn't that big a deal (unless you're Godzilla).

Agreed. Size isn't that big a deal (unless you're Godzilla).

Thanks for agreeing there, especially after I just insulted you...ish. Your support of those that support me is mildly disturbing, but reassuring nonetheless.

Well, size does mean you can support a larger force.

Also:

1 ??? = 1000 terawatts
1 terawatt = 1000 gigawatts.
1 gigawatt = 1000 megawatts.
1 megawatt = 1000 kilowatts.
1 kilowatt = 1000 watts.

I had to look it up when I designed my solar collectors 18 months ago.

I think 1000 Tera is an Exa. Though it may be a Peta

Thanks for agreeing there, especially after I just insulted you...ish. Your support of those that support me is mildly disturbing, but reassuring nonetheless.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. While I know practically squat about the Starcraft universe (The name "Yamato" actually reminds me of something else, in fact), I know you know your stuff. Just because I didn't start with some uber tech and actually want to RP research to my ultimate desired tech level, and you did the opposite, is fine with me.

Ok you took that out of context. I was referring to the fact i find RP more important. ITs why i use a fictitious system of measuring power. The CNRHK
And bigger nations have more workers and more money..and that matters a great deal.

Ok you took that out of context. I was referring to the fact i find RP more important. ITs why i use a fictitious system of measuring power. The CNRHK
And bigger nations have more workers and more money..and that matters a great deal.

Ethiopia Vs Italy (the first time)

E Rome Vs Huns

Heck, look in North Africa in WW2. Rommel Vs pretty much all comers. He only left cause he ran flat out of supplies (Hitler @@) and he had Italian troops with him.

Size does not a victory make.

Multiple Name Symbol Multiple Name Symbol
10(0) watt W
10(1) decawatt daW 10(–1) deciwatt dW
10(2) hectowatt hW 10(–2) centiwatt cW
10(3) kilowatt kW 10(–3) milliwatt mW
10(6) megawatt MW 10(–6) microwatt µW
10(9) gigawatt GW 10(–9) nanowatt nW
10(12) terawatt TW 10(–12) picowatt pW
10(15) petawatt PW 10(–15) femtowatt fW
10(18) exawatt EW 10(–18) attowatt aW
10(21) zettawatt ZW 10(–21) zeptowatt zW
10(24) yottawatt YW 10(–24) yoctowatt yW

a huge plot twist,civil war

a huge plot twist,civil war

This would be classed as a disaster situation under the treaty we just signed. Botany Marine Forces are standing by (OOC'ly speaking, of course).

Fighting yourself would not constitute fighting with your neighbors.

Technically it does not violate the rule so I would need a direct command from the Founder to intervene.

no it doesn't i would need to be asked for help

(Phew! I was worried about that call because it is still fighting after all.)

techally it is a civil prolem and we have no right to interfere but if it spreads then we have to

True, but it does give us a reason to watch them a little closer.

That does not mean we are watching everyone else less...

our communications are in utter choas, there wouldnt be a way to ask for help, our ships are currently in onbourd battles (obviosly not a whole ship would rebel{there are exeptions}), currently it is a battle of troops, not ships(we are afriad to fire in the event that we kill our own troops) If we could ask for your help SQ, we would, but currently not even the Tigerlanian homeworld knows whats going on

There would be some comm officer that could call for assistance. What caused this spontaneous rebellion?


I hope it wasn't a cartoon....

There would be some comm officer that could call for assistance. What caused this spontaneous rebellion?


I hope it wasn't a cartoon....

no it was a rouge group of "New age thinkers" who believe they should take T-385 as thier own system, breaking off from tigerlan.

Currently Loyalist Ships are uncommanded, Lenov is in critical condition and Commander Tallen started this whole rebellion in the 1st place, A few resorcefull Loyalists are trying to send SQ messeges but so far they are unsucsessfull due to the fact that the Rebels are jamming thier communications

Oh believe me, our second big war i conquered a nation much larger then myself..he made a mistake though. He committed 75% of his army to an attack, and i commited 50% of mine to attacking his Craftworld. You can win..but you have to be crafty. Several reasons.

1 Manpower: Larger nation has more workers, more money, more conscripts..
They can fight for longer then you can, replace losses much faster.
2 age: RP tends to go with age in Vascilian nations, we do alot of development RP. I didnt start out where i am haha.
3 Ratings. The older the nation the better the ratings. In my case i use ratings to spur my development and say where each thing should be at. For instance my welfare and healthy citizens and agri originally prompted my GE spree on my population. This is how our group plays lol.
4 once you get to a certain point it doesnt matter so much, say around 4.5 bil that way even people at 7 bil wont totally out do you.
5. The germans did lose WW II, they were smaller and the real reason they couldnt win was production and losses could not keep up with russia and the US. Same with Japan. China was able to hold Japan off even though they were qualitatevly vastly inferior.
6. It really depends on the big nation. There are nations in the closed group on mars i play with..who are exactly the kind of big pushover nations you are talking about. RP wise and rating wise. I wont name them it would be rude.

Ok now an important factor. In alot of cases a smaller nation often has less territory to cover..or at least that it needs to cover. Look at the fins in WW II . Eventually they were forced to sign a treaty enforcing peace..but at the cost of tens of thousands of russians, and a failed campaign.

To beat a much more powerful nation you have to be careful and canny. They have alot of advantages. More workers, more scientists, more money, more soldiers. Time is on their side. Look at the Russians. Because of their numbers they actually bridged alot of technical gaps with the germans, and by the end of the war their generals were superior strategic commanders then the germans. They innovated. Of course at the beginning they were a sad sack.
However their size enabled them to hold the germans off, and go on to pretty much single handedly win the war.
[75% of german forces were engaged with the russians after 1942, at D day there was only about 20% of the german army available to fight us]

However i can give you a flip side. A smaller nation that trounced a much larger one.
WW I Canada. In WW I canada was the army responsible for innovation in tactics and strategies, that won the war. There is a period of time called the black days of the Wermacht. Or the 100 days of Canada. It was at the end of the war and it was the final push. In 100 days we moved 100 miles and siezed three german towns before they surrendered. We crushed them utterly and ruthlessly. Canada was a nation of just 12 million. Germany was a nation of nearly 80 million. Though we had allies..so did they. Austria hungary for one. They defeated most of our allies, and inflicted such crushing losses on the british and french that they were almost unable to fight. It was canada that truly won the war.

So their are two ways to see it. To be smaller and go up against a bigger nation you need to be better and much more cunning. To be a bigger nation you must remain careful..dont expect to just win. Or you wind up like the Italians in ethiopa [who coincidentally fought much harder against hitler, then as his ally] or the Russians in Finland.

now the differences have been resolved. The war will be no tech wank, RP will matter most.

There are gonna be a few rules.
No pulling in allies, this is a war in the cluster.
Generally the forces that are already here, of course we can add more to redress any balances.
We want an even distribution of military might to make it a fair contest.
It wont spill out over the cluster. It will be a limited war.
No tech wanking. Tech stats are fine no problem. However none of this, oh my basic weapons are this, and your weapons are too weak to hurt me.
No absolutely not.

And finally a basis for war. I think the basis would be the council and repeated attempts to disarm the occupants of the cluster who dont necessarily agree. The sides would likely be those with waterhelper, versus those who havent so far much cared for what he has to say. ICly of course.
So before we get to any other issues. Add any comments or other ideas as follows. If we do have a war in the cluster, we want it to be as organised as possible thnx.

PS i write essays because i often lack time on the comp, sorry if they are sometimes illegible, i dont get the comp often and i work often..so i am often tired...very tired. :)

Looks fine... now to developing weapons because i have no good ones just phasers and photon torpedoes

And now for me to play my hand^^

Tigerlan, I plan to use your forces seperate from each action. Those who accept will follow Pananab orders and Pananab will assist them in however they can. Each factions will be assigned groups of ships to help them out in their fights. Pananab will make sure no two factions spot each other with Pananabian ships.

Once the fighting has subsided against the Loyalists, Stowes will get the factions talking to get them united again and our fleets can have an alliance of some sorts. It'll be perfect!

As long as you take care not to make it seem like they are taking orders or any other things that might raise suspicion, there will be no reason to suspect you. Good thinking.

I'm going to get involved. Eventually. When I do, it would be wise to have a very nice truce drawn up, since the Zeji and the Black Dream are big and bad. Please play nice, it would be horrible to have to use my effectively unknown forces just to quell a rebellion...

I'm going to get involved. Eventually. When I do, it would be wise to have a very nice truce drawn up, since the Zeji and the Black Dream are big and bad. Please play nice, it would be horrible to have to use my effectively unknown forces just to quell a rebellion...
If Pananab finds out you get involved, Stowes will try to strike a deal with you, too. He's a greedy bastard.

If Pananab finds out you get involved, Stowes will try to strike a deal with you, too. He's a greedy bastard.

You can't strike a deal with Kabala and the Zeji...

Pananab basicly is one huge Pirate Fleet.

WHy can't I deal with him?

Pananab basicly is one huge Pirate Fleet.

WHy can't I deal with him?

Because he's a Templar, he lives by the Khala. Dealing with a pirate would be like you or I dealing with Osama Bin Laden, we just wouldn't do it. That and Kabala is a VERY powerful Psion, bolstered by the modifications the Zeji made to him. Unless you have a null-psionics field, or no mind, he can generally at least figure out what your intentions are.

lol well here comes the start of the war and I will probobly lose lol again

I'm in a sour mood, so I say bring it to all comers. Will give me a chance to layath the smackath down on bad guys.

@Tigerlan: I'm already working a way to bring the lack of the call for Lorinxx to travel to the Grand Ball as a bad sign and sending in some troops.

Well, the war will not take place in the main thread. Waterhelper should make it and post the link here. We can still use this as the OOC Thread and save the origional thread for diplomatic posts

agreed i have committed what i will commit to the tigerlan rebellion. We are sending two warships to try to stop the fighting. Through peaceful means at first...serious! lol. The rest of the forces in the Cluster are available of course. A sector battle fleet. Several thousand Armsmen and a few Naval Trooper Destroyers..not many. Only Naval trooper destroyers are jump capable. And there are only about 20 or so. Its a brand new class of ship exclusive to the naval troopers. My ground army..its in my factbook lol. Very very small, very elite. There are at most 2000 of them in the cluster total. 4 destroyers. They arent ICly disclosed. They use stealthy stuff. However these numbers are an overall number..and not what would be committed at first. In fact I am gonna step back a bit at first..and let those 2 ships be involved.

That does sound like a good plan Pananab, great thinking.
And Tigerlan. If we do intend to have a huge war in the cluster, this could be just the kind of thing that could flashpoint it.

Seems this little idea is spurring rp developments on for everyone! Great work for one of your first ideas Water! Several of us have peaceful RP's coming from this as well, spurred on by the idea presented. This is great.

I really think we should make a private forum for the people involved in this lol.

PS oops meant to say the Naval troopers have frigates and destroyers. But only the destroyers are jump capable.

If this springs into a war, I'll be there. Bal could take me apart though... Damn ships... Damage reduction is evil!!!

Because he's a Templar, he lives by the Khala. Dealing with a pirate would be like you or I dealing with Osama Bin Laden, we just wouldn't do it. That and Kabala is a VERY powerful Psion, bolstered by the modifications the Zeji made to him. Unless you have a null-psionics field, or no mind, he can generally at least figure out what your intentions are.
That's actually convenient. Stowes has a very, very powerful psychic on board his own ship that could shield Stowes from his mind being invaded and Stowes has given off the impression that he's a benevolent military dictator only looking for a home for his people. If Stowes put up a good enough act, he can convince anyone.

And if you think I'm pulling the psychic out of my ass, ask Chronosia. He's met him.

That's actually convenient. Stowes has a very, very powerful psychic on board his own ship that could shield Stowes from his mind being invaded and Stowes has given off the impression that he's a benevolent military dictator only looking for a home for his people. If Stowes put up a good enough act, he can convince anyone.

And if you think I'm pulling the psychic out of my ass, ask Chronosia. He's met him.

Works for me. Just remember, this is an exceptional psychic in a race of exceptional psychics. Other than that, this may be fun.

Oh yeah, and surface thoughts are VERY easy to pick up on, since they're effectively broadcast, and require no real "invasion" to get at. So, as long as Stowes avoids thinking about trying to trick Kabala, assuming Kabala doesn't just destroy them outright, you can stay off his radar.

Stowes has no reason to trick him. He's greedy, but not a liar. He lets others do the lying for him.

Stowes has no reason to trick him. He's greedy, but not a liar. He lets others do the lying for him.

Ok. That works. Once you make a real showing I'll have Kabala wander in.

one of my first ideas? bedides a first contact one this is my first. (along with four entire upheavals of tech and ships)

general war thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10477870#post10477870)

@Communistic Govts: What ever happened to that whole thing with the missing scout on the planet overrun with Jaffa and the Carrack going in to investigate?

Tigerlan, you haven't responded to my message. I can't do anything unless I get a reply.

Sorry Tannelorn it took me so long to get to the meeting. It's been a really unlucky week.

There, Tigerlan's Seperatists are granted Asylum in Pananab. They're given Semi-Autonomy, so they can do whatever they want without Pananab convicting them. They can leave the Pananb borders without persecution. If they are arrested and tried, then they have to put the entire nation of Pananab on trial.

The Loyalists can continue their activities for the most part. Pananab will ignore an attack on someone else. If they jump in for an attack and are fired on, Pananab will only got to have them rescued. If the attack is successful and they are pursued, Pananab will move in.

Perhaps whoever is hosting the Cluster Conference can start a seperate thread for it to avoid confusion.

So... How does one miss 400 odd ships going FTL? And then, how does one miss them reappearing?

Also, SQ, do you know Sandeya?(from that other thread, where he GMed my losses) Just a bit curious...

@MM: I don't know him that well. Only as another member of that "Universal Senate" thing known as the The United Assembly that Thrasia started.

@MM: I don't know him that well. Only as another member of that "Universal Senate" thing known as the The United Assembly that Thrasia started.

Ok. Can I execute him for Godmodding? I mean, yeah, Yamatos are my favorite little toys, but when someone else starts using them, bad things must happen to that person.

Ok. Can I execute him for Godmodding? I mean, yeah, Yamatos are my favorite little toys, but when someone else starts using them, bad things must happen to that person.

Perhaps we can wait till he gets back on and see if he corrects his mistake first. Okay? The whole three strikes thing.

I missed something here.

Perhaps we can wait till he gets back on and see if he corrects his mistake first. Okay? The whole three strikes thing.

I'm not tolerant like that though. Just one strike is worthy of fatalities in my opinion. But, that's because I like to kill things.

I missed something here.

Don't worry about it, it's settled.

Perhaps whoever is hosting the Cluster Conference can start a seperate thread for it to avoid confusion.

So, who thinks this could work?

Ok. This is the last time I will say this, if you are all too stupid to get this after having me say it several times, then I'll just start DSing shit. The Zeji CAN NOT BE CONNECTED TO THE TERRANS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OF FORM. Thank you for removing all references to my nation from any posts involving the Zeji.

Uh, that was random. Sure it doesn't belong in the OOC thread for the Cluster War RP?

Link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10478079#post10478079

Uh, that was random. Sure it doesn't belong in the OOC thread for the Cluster War RP?

Link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10478079#post10478079

Couldn't find it, and they'll see it either way.

Couldn't find it, and they'll see it either way.

Got ya.

It exsisted? :D

I see there is a suggestion to have the conference in a different Thread than the Colonization/Political thread. It seems like this is the perfect place for it.

The OOC Thread for the Cluster War is linked in the second post of the Thread. After Waterhelper told me he made the Thread, I made the OOC Thread because I knew we would need it. (That's because I am psionic...)


After I am done showing the station to Tannelorn and Waterhelper, I will formally invite each nation to send a rep to the station. Each will be given quarters and the entire level of the Fortress will be dedicated to the Cluster Alliance or whatever we call it. I was thinking of a "Babylon 5" type meeting area but the rest of the Blackstone Fortress will be strictly off limits. The section will have it's own dedicated hanger and docking arms.

From what I understand about it:

1.) Aren't there only supposed to be six Blackstone stations in existance?
2.) Blackstones are from the Warhammer universe, correct?
3.) The Blackstones are supposed to be the top-of-the-cream-of-the-crop type deals, right?
4.) Got a link to the RP where you obtained yours?

I bought 5 from Cam III about 19 months ago and the link was lost when the Forums was moved to Jolt. You can TG him and ask. If you tell him it was from his first storefront, I am sure he will remember. Part of the price was my establishing a colony in his home system of Prospero. We have been allies since then.

Again, please TG Cam III to ask.

I'm did a search. Either Cam III was deleted, or I put the name wrong.

Im planing on Lenov going insane..........

Im planing on Lenov going insane..........

Not much I can do to help with that matter. Except offer a good SeaQuestian psychitrist(sp?).

Of course, the Sarcophagus would have revived him (pretty much can heal any wound (except lost limbs)). My nation's been doing work on reducing the addictive aspects.

After some searching, here is the Thread I purchased them from. It doesn't state what I purchased but it does state I TG'd him an order.

You can take the investigation from there.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=337368

His factbook states I have the colony in his home system (Prospero V)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372861

Here is the Thread where I colonized the planet. The colony was established as a result of the purchase I made and the mutual defense pact we signed afterwards.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349787


It is sad if he was deleted.

Interesting. He sounds like a nice guy. I'll check out the links (but I can't find his nation).

He was a nice guy to me but it seems there were several people on his bad side that felt his wrath many times.

Half my navy still uses those ships I bought from him. I decided to purchase a small navy to use while I was R&D my own. That is why my ships are armed so well, I used the BFG Chaos ships as my template. Only I upgraded them so they have my drives, electronics, and technologies. I mostly use those ships in my Homeguard because they can make one hell of a stand if they need to. Once the Navy arrives...

The Blackstone will only be uses as the HQ for the Cluster Police(CP) and the organization that is forming. I will not be moving it into battle like it is in the BFG game.

Ok i have had a long week too haha. Its more then ok time for posting!

One more thing I would like to clear up

Besides the fact we really need not only a list of members but also an acurate map.

I allways assumed we each were given territories in the cluster that was not touching each other. Most of the cluster would be uninhabited and uninteresting space while there would be groupings of stars where our territories would be.

This means there would be small territories surrounded bt "Neutral" space. The actual territories would not touch, but there would be buffer zones seperating them. Something like the DMZ (de-militarized zone) between North Korea and South Korea.

What good are these spaces for you might ask. Well, one use for the buffer zones would be trade routes. Anyone else have an idea for these empty spaces?

This is how I envision the way the Cluster is divided.

Not much I can do to help with that matter. Except offer a good SeaQuestian psychitrist(sp?).

Of course, the Sarcophagus would have revived him (pretty much can heal any wound (except lost limbs)). My nation's been doing work on reducing the addictive aspects.

not only adictive, but mind altering

Im sorry if i have been quiet the last 2 weeks its just im quite busy with college and trying to find a job.

not only adictive, but mind altering

Only if used on fully healthy individuals. If you note, each time Dr. Jackson went into one injured, in the series and the movie, he came out fully healed and himself later.

In the Stargate fictional universe, the alien species Goa'uld use a device called a sarcophagus to rapidly heal injuries and extend their lifespans. The device can also bring the recently deceased back to life.

In the Stargate feature film, Daniel Jackson encounters a sarcophagus for the first time after being killed by a blast from a Jaffa's staff weapon, awakening inside with no wounds on his body. He uses the device again to revive Sha'uri, who had been killed by another staff. Later in the Stargate SG-1 television series (in the episode "Need"), Jackson becomes addicted to the device, demonstrating symptoms common to the Goa'uld who regularly use them, including paranoia, egotism, and megalomania. The general rule seems to be that when the sarcophagus is used to heal someone who's been badly injured, the side effects are insignificant. However, when an already healthy person rests inside the sarcophagus, they become increasingly addicted to the device's effects and eventually develop a more malevolent personality. Their prolonged use of the sarcophagus is one of the reasons why the Goa'uld are so evil (the other reason being their genetic memory).

The first sarcophagus was created by an ancient Goa'uld known as Telchak. The sarchophagus was derived from the Ancient's healing device (a sample of which was recovered from South America in season 7 by Jackson.) The Tok'ra do not use sarcophagi, claiming that it damages the soul (as demonstrated by Jackson in "Need"). The Goa'uld use the device on prisoners when their torture methods accidentally or intentionally kill their victims. The limits of the sarcophagus were demonstrated in Lord Yu, whose extreme age reduced the effectiveness of the sarcophagus's regenerative powers. This confirmed that as powerful as sarcophagus technology is, it cannot grant true immortality.

Brovo SQ! I admire your Knowlege of SG

Brovo SQ! I admire your Knowlege of SG

Well, as I am a Stargate tech nation at my core (I only use other techs to fill in the blanks), I pretty much have to know a lot about my source.

OOC: Curtesy bump.

All through the Cluster it would have been easily noticed. The formation of a new Eye would be impossible to miss. The Maw would be a new wonder throughout the area. A wonder, a terror, and an object of worship all at once. The glory of Chaos had been visited upon the Cluster, and things would be very interesting for quite some time...

Unless you know something about Stargates I don't, which is highly doubtful, that rift didn't form. If any rift formed, it would be on your end where the Warp/Chaos energy was being fed into the Stargate.

Unless you know something about Stargates I don't, which is highly doubtful, that rift didn't form. If any rift formed, it would be on your end where the Warp/Chaos energy was being fed into the Stargate.

That's not the issue. All the Chaos that came THROUGH the stargate is what matters. It's notjust powering the stargate, it's also coming through like water seeping through a hole. A flood of corrupting energy surrounded the Gate in space, and there is some taint on your planet. Chaos is NOT like raw energy as you're thinking of it I'm sure. You're looking at it as a powersource, yes? We're looking at it as a physical manifestation that moves through the gate.

That's not the issue. All the Chaos that came THROUGH the stargate is what matters. It's notjust powering the stargate, it's also coming through like water seeping through a hole. A flood of corrupting energy surrounded the Gate in space, and there is some taint on your planet. Chaos is NOT like raw energy as you're thinking of it I'm sure. You're looking at it as a powersource, yes? We're looking at it as a physical manifestation that moves through the gate.

1.) Wrong OOC thread. The right one is here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471800

2.) Lets take this to the relevant OOC thread.

This thread has been rather disorganised and since the last few days, it has sort of died out.

I intend to rewrite the Thread, as far as i know kith somtaaw, mini miehm, tigerlan, seaquest dsv, waterhelper, balrogga, communistic govs and the Pananab had colonies here, as well as the gate builders.


I shall start a new MUCH more organised thread that will allow everyone to write first about their colonies, then what has happened so far as i write an overview of the cluster history. And then we can start again from there.

IF this is acceptable say yes.

It is a bit.... Disorganised.

Ok i am a little experienced in this and i will write a new thread on it. So everyone thats interested post whats been going on after, i will focus on a very broard overview, then on my own history in the Cluster, everyone shall do the same.

Care to give a link Tanerlorn cuz i am a lil lost here

I am making it very soon, however work is causing me to well..work sucks haha.

Well im continuing to post in the old one as i added another chapter.

Well I made a better looking map but in the same style as Waterhelpers. Looks a little more territorial looking then designated squares. The thing is that Photobucket doesnt show it all too well and the names are too tiny to look at. I guess thats what I get for doing it on MS Paint :/

Ok heres the map what do you think

http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cluster4ez.jpg

Wow thanks, thats really good actually Communist. Anyways i had work a few days..and the post i nearly finished that would be the new thread..well it got erased as i was about to post. So tonight i finish the thread, and repost it.

Alright the first post of the new thread is finished. Everyone from now on post here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10707885#post10707885

Ok but I will have to repost all my stuff in the thread or just make a factbook or both.

I believe he wants us to post the events so far as they appear from our point of view so there will be an account from everyone, none absolutly the same.