NationStates Jolt Archive

This is a closed roleplay. However, you may apply to join.

1. Players need to have a reasonable amount of RP experience
2. Solid understanding of 20th Century World History
3 Understand that this is an alternate history, and significant events have occured in this timeline that have altered the course of history.
4. Understand that this is a refereed RP, and that the principal referees have the ability and role of insuring that accuracy, realism and plausablity is maintained.


Wars and economics are very important in this RP, just as they were in the actual history of the 20th Century. Special threads to handle both of those things are critical to this RP, and those rules are enforced.

Current Game year as of Monday March 6, 2006 is 1949

use historical aircraft, tanks, ships etc please. You can call them whatever you wish (the China Aviation Company Kirin bomber for example, could use the information for the Tu-4 that existed in real life)

just post links to any aircraft, tank or ship class you rename so I know what it actually can do.

Stay within timeline though. At tech level 7 the F100 transonic jet fighter shows up before the F104 Interceptor which is in turn succeeded by the F4 Phantom and then the F15 Eagle.

The US, UK, Canada can build anything that entered service in 1955 (subject to special rules on nuclear power, missiles etc). The Scandic Union, South Africa etc can build 1954 things, and other nations can build accordingly

Tech level 7 advancements
1945 USA, UK, Canada
1946 Scandic Union, South Africa, Burgundy, Colombia, Australia, Italy
1947 Korea, Argentina, Poland, Bulgaria,
1948 Japan, Ukraine, Russia, France,Germany, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Czechslovakia, Hungary,
1949 China, Rumania, Yugoslavia
1950 India, USAE, Brazil, Central Asia, Turkey
1951 Mexico
1952 Egypt, Algeria, Syria

Play began again on February 6, 2005 after an intermission. Each week represents one year,

Monday -- bookkeeping and general announcements
Tuesday - January / February
Wednesday - March / April
Thursday - May / June
Friday - July / August
Saturday - September / October
Sunday - November / December

The game year was beginning on Monday, 2/6/06 the year 1945. The world had just fought the Third Great War, lasting from 1938 - 1942, and 125 million died. The Socialist/Communist Pact consisting of Japan, France, Czechslovakia, Ottoman Empire (called the Middle Eastern Union), Rumania, Hungary, and the Soviet Union (consisting of Germany, Austria, Poland, and the former Soviet Union of our history) has fought the United Nations powers including the US, British Commonwealth of Nations, Spain, Italy, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, India, China, USAE (Indochina), Greater Colombia, Argentina and practically every other nation on the planet except fo Switzerland and Paraguay.

This war involved the use of atomic, biological and chemical weapons, and the final days UN forces overran the final Communist strongholds in Siberia in the fall of 1942, with the war ending on September 15, and the final surrender on September 30.

Chronology of events of the 20th Century (E20)
(to be added)

Player Countries as of January 1945
North America
USA -- Galveston Bay (also principal referee)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432822

Latin America
Greater Colombia -- Artisia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429731
FNS (Argentina, Bolivia, Peru, Chile, Uruguay) -- Middle Snu (assistant referee)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=459898

Europe
Germany - Parthini
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467494
Great Britian -- Lesser Ribenia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431379
Scandic Union (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Estonia) -- Safehaven2
Poland -- Danard
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10385610#post10385610
Ukraine -- needed
Italy -- Arcanae
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468472
France -- Abbassia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467850
Russia -- Riptide Monzac
Bulgaria -- Kirstiriera
Spain - Philanchez
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467433
Portugal -- Amestria
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467249&page=9

Africa and Mideast
Egypt -- needed
Syria -- Elephantum

South Africa- Malkyer (assistant referee)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467609
Nigeria - eventually needed

Asia
China - Sharina (assistant referee)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432834
Federated Asian States (Indian, Iran, Afghanistan) -- the Lightning Star
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467293
USAE - Alto-Sara
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454920
Korea - New Dornelia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428713
Japan -- needed

Oceania
Australasia - Cylea
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467376

NPC nations (independent)(all NPC nations have joined the United Nations)
Palestine
Saudi Arabia
Western Arabia
Kurdistan
Basra
Oman
Ethiopia
Paraguay
Costa Rica
Hondoras
Nicuruaga
El Salvador
Mexico
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Cuba
Canada
Switzerland
Belgium
Rumania
Netherlands
Burgundy
Andorra
San Marino
Liechtenstein
Austria
Hungary
Czechslovakia
Yugoslavia
Greece
Turkey
Armenia and Georgia
Azerbajan
Philippines
Central Asian Republic
Kashgaria
Tibet
Bhutan
Nepal

more country links will be added as I find them

major threads of importance

E20 United Nations
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467909

Economic Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454115

Military Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427277

NPC thread (for important things involving the NPC nations)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460771

International Olympic Committee Thread (which will do nicely for Worlds Fairs, World Cups etc)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....50post10510650

British Commonwealth Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468464

Third Great War (also called World War III, and the Eurasian War)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463543

Collapse of the Chinese Empire and 2nd Sino-Japanese War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457589

2nd Great War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=448361

original E20 main thread (somewhat of a mess, but this is how it all started)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424002

who owns what thread (although in need of revision)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428273

Seoul treaty thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463059

Spanish Civil War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446849
(first use of chemical weapons, and led directly to 2nd Great War)

Brazilian Civil War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446584
(first major guerilla war)

The First Great War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438703


The SU:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467777

Bulgaria:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434337

Syria:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467582

Portugal:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....2#post10427372

ooc
I should finish posting all economic information tonight. Tomorrow will be for posting builds and any other bookkeeping.

Play is ready to begin. We have a player to take over Russia,

However

Poland, the Ukraine, France, Italy are all major industrial powers and currently do not have a player.

I would like to see the Algerian player take on one of these, as well as the former Bolivian player.

Hurrah! Now we have a working thread.

*TAG* for reference.

Player Countries as of January 1945
North America
USA -- Galveston Bay (also principal referee)
Latin America
Greater Colombia -- Artisia
UNS (Argentina, Bolivia, Peru, Chile) -- Middle Snu (assistant referee)
Europe
Germany - Parthini
Great Britian -- Lesser Ribenia
Scandic Union (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Estonia) -- Safehaven2
Poland -- needed
Ukraine -- needed
Italy -- Arcanae
France -- needed
Russia -- Riptide Monzac
Bulgaria -- Kirstiriera
Africa and Mideast
Egypt -- needed
Algeria -Abbassia
Morocco - needed
South Africa- Malkyer (assistant referee)
Nigeria - eventually needed
Asia
China - Sharina (assistant referee)
India -- the Lightning Star
USAE - Alto-Sara
Korea - New Dornelia
Japan -- Kordo?
Oceania
Australasia - Cylea

NPC countries will be posted later


I forget anyone?

Elephantum, who were you wanting to play? I recommend Saudi Arabia or Oman or a bigger nation then Jordan.

Two small corrections:

First, the league of Argentina, Chile, etc... is the FNS, not UNS.
Second, it also contains Uruguay.

By the way; I'm coming out with a new name for my country (Federated Asian States, since I now control Iran and Afghanistan, which are pretty freaking big), so can you change that? I'm also coming out with a new news thread.

Three questions (crossposted from obsolete thread):

1. Sharina-What about one of the options we discussed, say purchasing a portion of Manchuria in exchange for aid?

2. Lesser Ribena- Just what battleships are you selling off?

3. And for all Asian Players- What would you think of a renewed Seoul Conference Treaty? Perhaps either a clone of the original, or something like the Common Market.

Addendum-Ato-Sara was cool with the idea of a new Seoul Conference Treaty. Just canvassing opinion among others.

Federated Asian States (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10369245)

Two small corrections:

First, the league of Argentina, Chile, etc... is the FNS, not UNS.
Second, it also contains Uruguay.

Uruguay is being resistant... they feel that Brazil will save them.

otherwise, FNS it is. (Federacion Nationale SudAmerica?)

Uruguay is being resistant... they feel that Brazil will save them.

otherwise, FNS it is. (Federacion Nationale SudAmerica?)

I refer you to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10272420&postcount=37). Since I've already annexed Uruguay, I shouldn't have any problems getting them to join.

I refer you to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10272420&postcount=37). Since I've already annexed Uruguay, I shouldn't have any problems getting them to join.

forgot about that, for now they are in, but they are protesting (peacefully)

[tag]

Three questions (crossposted from obsolete thread):

1. Sharina-What about one of the options we discussed, say purchasing a portion of Manchuria in exchange for aid?

2. Lesser Ribena- Just what battleships are you selling off?

3. And for all Asian Players- What would you think of a renewed Seoul Conference Treaty? Perhaps either a clone of the original, or something like the Common Market.

Addendum-Ato-Sara was cool with the idea of a new Seoul Conference Treaty. Just canvassing opinion among others.

To answer #1: I'm a little confused. I thought that was made official with you taking over Vladivotosk? Or wasn't that made official yet? I sure could use some clear-up on this, as I had the map for the deal a week or two ago.

For question #3, I wouldn't mind a renewed Seoul treaty. After all, we do need unification in Asia especially after all the n00k0rz and bio attacks during WW-3.

sorry, going to miss having everything ready, but for those of you who have your economic information available, feel free to start posting your 1945 economic plans.

1945 actually starts Tuesday, with bookkeeping etc tomorrow.

GB, do you have time for Chatzy? Having a bit of a problem with the points... never done 'em before...

probably going to start a fresh australian thread (link will be posted here) today

probably going to start a fresh australian thread (link will be posted here) today

As promised:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10371739&postcount=1

Parthini']GB, do you have time for Chatzy? Having a bit of a problem with the points... never done 'em before...

I can't help much today, I would suggest asking for help from Middle Snu, Safehaven2 or Malkyer.

The economic data needed is now posted ... January 1945 begins on Tuesday

ooc
I should finish posting all economic information tonight. Tomorrow will be for posting builds and any other bookkeeping.

Play is ready to begin. We have a player to take over Russia,

However

Poland, the Ukraine, France, Italy are all major industrial powers and currently do not have a player.

I would like to see the Algerian player take on one of these, as well as the former Bolivian player.

I may take Poland or Italy, I have not quite decided yet.

We should have a link to the old OOC thread on this tread just as a reference, since there are alot of old links scattered threw it.

1) technically arcanea is playing italy (although I havent checked with him recently)

2) will the old NPC thread still be used, or will there be a new one, or is the whole idea scratched. I thought the concept was a good idea...

1) technically arcanea is playing italy (although I havent checked with him recently)

2) will the old NPC thread still be used, or will there be a new one, or is the whole idea scratched. I thought the concept was a good idea...

1. Italy has been claimed by Arcanea, so Danard you could take the Ukraine or Poland or France

2. NPC thread is a good one, I will find it and post a link in the links section

To answer #1: I'm a little confused. I thought that was made official with you taking over Vladivotosk? Or wasn't that made official yet? I sure could use some clear-up on this, as I had the map for the deal a week or two ago.

For question #3, I wouldn't mind a renewed Seoul treaty. After all, we do need unification in Asia especially after all the n00k0rz and bio attacks during WW-3.

1#: Well, I know it is official (we agreed on everything, and you did make that map), but I was wondering if it should be RPed out, or not.

3#: Seconded.

2. Lesser Ribena- Just what battleships are you selling off?

Probably just the 5 or so oldest immediately with the others following suit later. I'll give you full details once I sort out my military later.

2. Lesser Ribena- Just what battleships are you selling off?

Probably just the 5 or so oldest immediately with the others following suit later. I'll give you full details once I sort out my military later.

Cool.

A tentative step towards a post-war British armed forces. I am still working on it though and require some help with it (particualrly any from GB especiallly as to the immediate end of war British military strength). The Navy is still a mess as well and I am still weeding out older vessels to replace with newer frigates and destroyers.

The Army

1 HQ unit
1 mechanized corps
1 armoured cavalry corps
2 mechanised field artillery units
1 amphibious marines unit
8 garrison units (for LTA/UN garrison duty)

Royal Navy

4 Battleships 7 (16" guns) HMS Brixton, HMS Cunningham, HMS Barham, HMS Jarvis.
1 modernised HMS Hood

1 Heavy Carrier, HMS Ark Royal
3 Fleet carriers (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Hermes, HMS Eagle, HMS Vindictive,
4 Light carriers HMS Courageous, HMS Glorious, HMS Furious, HMS Argus
8 submarine units
120 destroyers
60 corvettes
A number of frigates
A number of AA and ASW cruisers (no idea on number, maybe around a dozen)

Naval Reserves
Ships that have been mothballed are kept in drydock at Portsmouth and other naval bases until scrapped or recalled to service.
2 Modernised Nelson class battleships HMS Nelson, HMS Rodney
4 modernised Queen Elizabeth class battleships (which become 4 attack, 5 defense, 4 speed and range 5), HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Warspite, HMS Barham, HMS Valiant,
5 King George V class battleships (4 attack, protection 5, speed 6 and range 5). HMS King George V, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Duke of York, HMS Anson, HMS Howe
10 heavy cruisers HMS Hawkins, HMS Vindictive, HMS Raleigh, HMS Frobisher, HMS Effingham, HMS Caroline, HMS Cambrian, HMS Centaur, HMS Caledon, HMS Ceres, HMS Carlisle,
20 light cruisers HMS Bristol, HMS Chatham, HMS Weymouth, HMS Birkinhead, HMS Birmingham, HMS Manchester, HMS Glasgow, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Falmouth, HMS Nottingham, HMS Derby, HMS Yarmouth, HMS Dartmouth, HMS Chester, HMS Dublin, HMS Gloucester, HMS Chicester, HMS Liverpool, HMS Belfast, HMS Lowestoft, HMS Newcastle, HMS Southampton, HMS Kilmarnock, HMS Leicester, HMS Cambridge, HMS Oxford,

Fleet Air Arm

8 carrier jet fighter-bomber units
8 naval aviation pilots

The Royal Airforce

6 bombers
8 jet fighters
14 pilot units

The Army Reserves
Mostly territorial army units (30 days training per year), yeomanry cavalry units which are now mechanised and ex-servicemen who are still on the reserves list.

2 mechanised artillery units
6 mechanised corps
1 HQ unit
2 armoured corps

The Merchant Navy

35 merchant shipping units
10 Tech 6 Ocean Liners (represents 20 Queen Mary sized ocean liners). Protection 2, range 5, speed 6,

Merchant Airforce

2 pilots
1 domestic airline
1 international airline

Other Defences

4 Flak artillery (Coventry, Dover, Scapa Flow, London)
2 Coast artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow)
2 Fortifications (Dover, Scapa Flow)

I suppose I'll take Syria, and possibly, if people don't mind, come into existence from the dissolution of the MEU and a civil war, to sort of get a footing for my nation in the world. Does anyone have any information about what's going on in the region as of now?

Please note that the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand has spent a quarter-point to begin advertising campaigns in India and China concerning the new immigration policy in our nation for 1945. Future years should include increased funding for this initiative (unless protested by the governments of the targeted nations) Pamphlets touting the strong social services (OOC: level 5) in the country and promising large chunks of land to families who arrive (in the style of RL american settlers) begin to circulate in major Chinese and Indian cities.

OOC: if somebody could tell me what the effects of this might be IC, that would be grand....

I have a question

what do all these point things mean? If its based on wealth, I might go with Arabia, but keep it a little backward.

I guess I will be Poland. I just have to research it.

I have a question

what do all these point things mean? If its based on wealth, I might go with Arabia, but keep it a little backward.

Points are how our economies are regulated. Go the E20 economy thread for indepth explanation and if you are still in doubt ask one of the economic mods like Middle Snu or GB himself.

Alright, it makes sense now, but somebody let me know when I screw up. But I am going with Syria.

I guess Ill take SPain again(im not on there). Ill make a new thread but would like to know if Portugal is currently in the Nuevo Estado period or not? I also plan on createing an alliance with morrocoo and portugal and hopefully haveing it turn into a loose confederation of nations. Advice?

New Spanish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467433)

I guess Ill take SPain again(im not on there). Ill make a new thread but would like to know if Portugal is currently in the Nuevo Estado period or not? I also plan on createing an alliance with morrocoo and portugal and hopefully haveing it turn into a loose confederation of nations. Advice?

A free trade agreement would be the first step, and you are confirmed as remaining Spain

GB, Chatzy!

New USEA thread is up.

Linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10374247#post10374247)

Does someone have the chazty link?

http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041

Was that somewhere horribly obvious?

Not really no. GB might need to fix that....

Not really no. GB might need to fix that....

I will add it in, although I have concerns about nonplayers showing up

1#: Well, I know it is official (we agreed on everything, and you did make that map), but I was wondering if it should be RPed out, or not.

3#: Seconded.

I wouldn't mind doing a RP- it would be a nice change of pace from warmongering and RP'ing in "point form" and such.

Besides, I'd like to do more RP with you. I enjoyed doing the Prince Gang RP last summer where we RP'ed out the conference in early 1900's forming up the original China-Korea alliance and trade deals.

I wouldn't mind doing a RP- it would be a nice change of pace from warmongering and RP'ing in "point form" and such.

Besides, I'd like to do more RP with you. I enjoyed doing the Prince Gang RP last summer where we RP'ed out the conference in early 1900's forming up the original China-Korea alliance and trade deals.

I agree. It'd be nice to do something active again, and get this agreement onto paper in a more creative way besides a paragraph and some numbers.

Please note that the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand has spent a quarter-point to begin advertising campaigns in India and China concerning the new immigration policy in our nation for 1945. Future years should include increased funding for this initiative (unless protested by the governments of the targeted nations) Pamphlets touting the strong social services (OOC: level 5) in the country and promising large chunks of land to families who arrive (in the style of RL american settlers) begin to circulate in major Chinese and Indian cities.

OOC: if somebody could tell me what the effects of this might be IC, that would be grand....

**BUMP**

**BUMP**

provided information in your thread on this

Personally I'd say that this would increase Australian population somewhat, like a 3% - 5% population growth annually for several years.

Although this is left up to GB to decide what to do.

I remember after the German Revolution a lot of Junkers left for Burgundy, England and Canada. Now that the Kaiser returned to the throne, how many (including their families) would return? I would think at least a few million would come back.

Also, new Germany thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467494

Personally I'd say that this would increase Australian population somewhat, like a 3% - 5% population growth annually for several years.

Although this is left up to GB to decide what to do.

but would have very serious political and social ramifications in Australia

Parthini']I remember after the German Revolution a lot of Junkers left for Burgundy, England and Canada. Now that the Kaiser returned to the throne, how many (including their families) would return? I would think at least a few million would come back.

the Junkers class was only a few thousand families at most, so figure about 100,000 return. Its been over a generation and most consider themselves citizens of where ever they ended up.

Nice to see the new thread up. I'm interested in joining as Egypt or Morocco, unless there are other, more interesting, nations...:D

I saw that Japan is still uncertain. I could play as Japan (eventough they lost the last war) if it's open.

Algerian New Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467520

Just edited the history, The Emir reforms the constitution to make Algeria a true republic and steps down to allow the election of a "president".
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After Algerian presidential elections are complete (Saturday) do you think I can switch from Algeria to France?

Algerian New Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467520

Just edited the history, The Emir reforms the constitution to make Algeria a true republic and steps down to allow the election of a "president".
-------------------------
After Algerian presidential elections are complete (Saturday) do you think I can switch from Algeria to France?

yes, you can begin as France next week

Nice to see the new thread up. I'm interested in joining as Egypt or Morocco, unless there are other, more interesting, nations...:D

I saw that Japan is still uncertain. I could play as Japan (eventough they lost the last war) if it's open.

I will give Kordo until next week, but you can start as Egypt or Morocco now... just pick one however.

Is there an Italy? I have things to discuss...

Parthini']Is there an Italy? I have things to discuss...

yes, Italy is being played by Arcanae

though if you are going to TG him I suggest you spell his Nation as "arcanea"

I will give Kordo until next week, but you can start as Egypt or Morocco now... just pick one however.

Ok, thanks. I'll chose Egypt for now but if Kordo doesn't show up I'll take Japan, if you guys agree.

I'll search for some background info on Egypt and post my stuff tomorrow.

Ok, thanks. I'll chose Egypt for now but if Kordo doesn't show up I'll take Japan, if you guys agree.

I'll search for some background info on Egypt and post my stuff tomorrow.

for this timeline...
UK ran Egypt as a client state until just before the First Great War, when the Turks persuaded the British to let them co-rule it. Just after the 2nd Great War (during the early 1930s) pressure from the League of Nations managed to get the Turks and British to allow elections. An Egyptian contitutional republic gained power and then in further elections voted to kick the Turks out and keep the British in. During the 3rd Great War, Egypt sided with the British and a combined Egyptian and Algerian Army, along with some Moroccans liberated Mecca and Medina from the Turks and helped the Hashimites set up the Sultanate of Western Arabia. During the war Egyptian troops occupied Palestine and Syria to maintain order and after the war they returned home.

The British still has basing rights in Egypt and entirely owns the Suez Canal (having taken over the French portion during the 2nd Great War).

Egypt co-rules Sudan with the British as well.

This is important, and a major divergence. There is no Jewish state in Palestine, nor a significantly large population of Jews. The Zionist types mostly set up a semiautonomous region in Argentina back in the 1900s, and the real hardcore Zionists went there. There has not been any widespread progroms against European Jewry since the fall of the Czars during the Russian Civil War (1916-18), and so there is no Zionist States of Israel threatening to come about in the Middle East. In addition, up until the end of the 3rd Great War, Turkey was the occupying power in the region, and although Palestine had a brief period of independence, and some of the Arab nations had a degree of self rule, its been the Turks in charge since the Ottoman conquests of the 14th Centuries.

Oddly enough (considering our real life current events), the Americans and British have been liberators, setting up states through out the Middle East.

Although things are about to explode in Turkey between the Greeks and Turks.

Here's the new South African thread. I figured I'd start with a clean slate, since the old one was kind of messy. Let me know if I forgot to put you in the diplomatic relations area.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10380349#post10380349

Ok then, France.

So tell me about France, eet has been broken down to many pieces, no?

Ok then, France.

So tell me about France, eet has been broken down to many pieces, no?

The French have managed to lose their entire empire over the century. During the First Great War they sold off French Polynesia to the US, New Caledonia to Australia and Indochina to the Chinese. They joined in with the Austria Hungarians and Italians to fight the Germans and Russians and Turks. Eventually, losses were such that they pulled out of the war with a seperate peace. During the war they took Palestine and Jordan and part of Lebanon, which gained its independence (but eventually remerged with Turkey again latter). Post war, they did not get back Alsace Lorraine (which became independent).

Post Great War, they joined the LTA, but gradually went Socialist. They joined in with the Pact twice, once in Albania and once in Spain, when it had a Civil War. A Right wing coup was attempted and failed, and the surviving plotters executed.

When the 2nd Great War started, the French, in spite of being in the LTA, declared war on the US and other LTA nations. During the war, its navy was destroyed by the combined US/Royal Navies, it lost its colonies in the Caribbean, plus an island near Canada, plus Madagascar to the LTA, Djibouti to Italy, Reunion to South Africa and was invaded and its armies destroyed by the LTA armies with all of its industry being destroyed. France signed another seperate peace with harsh limitations on its military forces, and permanent loss of the colonies it lost except for a couple of islands in the Caribbean given back to it. Postwar, the United States and Britian rebuilt French industry completely.

Once again France drifted to the Communist cause, although during the Chinese Civil War it sided with the Nationalist government while the Union proxies, Japan, invaded China. France suffered very heavy casaulties during that fighting, but was instrumental in stopping the Japanese invasion (which is the 2nd Sino Japanese War).

When the 3rd Sino Japanese War began, which triggered the Third Great War, in spite of warnings to maintain its neutrality (which it was required to do under the treaty it signed at the end of the 2nd Great War), France again allied with the Pact. This time France lost Corsica, all of its territory outside of France that remained (French Northwest and Equatorial Africa, plus those islands in the Caribbean again), in addition, half of French industry was destroyed this time around and the entire French navy completely destroyed, its air force wiped out (although a couple of pilot units can be recalled) and its army destroyed.

This time, the surrender terms were even harsher. France is not allowed an army, navy or air force. It is allowed a coast guard (corvettes only), a national police (a couple of garrison units), and a couple of transport units.
It also lost Nice to Italy (and Monocco no longer exists), Corsica to Italy, and French West and Equatorial Africa to the UN (under British control) and Guadalupe and Martinique to the Colombians. All Communist and key Socialist leaders were tried by US / British military courts for the war crime of allowing Pact missiles to conduct terror attacks against London and were shot.

France was occupied for two years during the war, and one year after the war by Spanish, Colombian, Morrocan, Italian, Portuguese and British forces.

It regained a national government last year (1944) and elections were held in November 1944.

incidently, the French people are pretty sick of war, having lost two completely, gotten a draw in another and a costly win in a fourth.

I forgot to mention.... the Eiffel Tower was destroyed, the Louvre stripped of everything which was sent to Britain as reparations, and the Americans destroyed the Arch de Triumph, and bulldozed the wreckage flat.

Polish Thred under construction : http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10385610#post10385610

I forgot to mention.... the Eiffel Tower was destroyed, the Louvre stripped of everything which was sent to Britain as reparations, and the Americans destroyed the Arch de Triumph, and bulldozed the wreckage flat.

Oof....that's harsh. Probably necessary, but harsh.

the Louvre stripped of everything which was sent to Britain as reparations,

Wahay, I think it's time the British Museum and the various art museums in London received some government funds to put on a new exhibition with this extra material!

Anyway, ouch! Losing the Eiffel Tower, the Louvre and teh Arc De Triumphe. Poor France, what does she have left? (apart from some rather nice Commonwealth graveyards and some battlefields?)

incidently, the French people are pretty sick of war, having lost two completely, gotten a draw in another and a costly win in a fourth.

I forgot to mention.... the Eiffel Tower was destroyed, the Louvre stripped of everything which was sent to Britain as reparations, and the Americans destroyed the Arch de Triumph, and bulldozed the wreckage flat.

Why was the Eiffel Tower and the Arch of Triumph destroyed? It'd be like the Statue of Liberty, the Washington Memorial, the White House, etc. all being destroyed in the USA.

Why was the Eiffel Tower and the Arch of Triumph destroyed? It'd be like the Statue of Liberty, the Washington Memorial, the White House, etc. all being destroyed in the USA.

Permeneant reminder for the French people of how wonderfull peace is. Anyway, this helps make Stockholm the most beautifal city in Europe.;) What with 30some points spent on beautifiying the city and Paris knocked out of the race now.

Why was the Eiffel Tower and the Arch of Triumph destroyed? It'd be like the Statue of Liberty, the Washington Memorial, the White House, etc. all being destroyed in the USA.

Eiffel Tower destroyed as it was too obvious an observation platform when Allied forces took the city, and the Arc de Triumph was pretty much to make determined point.. as that was the second time in a generation the Allies had to conquer Paris.

Eiffel Tower destroyed as it was too obvious an observation platform when Allied forces took the city, and the Arc de Triumph was pretty much to make determined point.. as that was the second time in a generation the Allies had to conquer Paris.

Will the Eiffel Tower be rebuilt? I'd like to see it rebuilt. :)

Will the Eiffel Tower be rebuilt? I'd like to see it rebuilt. :)

With NEON LIGHTS! AND MADE OUT OF SHINY TITANIUM! WWWEEEEE!!!

and apparently coated in LSD

and apparently coated in LSD

lmao. are you implying that he licked the eiffel tower? ewwwwwww...

oh and GB this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467433) needs your attention

It looks as if my work is pretty much cut out for me...

So basicly I have Modern France without Corsica and Burgundy and any colonies, a severely demoralised population, a wrecked Paris and a battered (but still substantial) Industry.

So I'll begin with France right away

Will the Eiffel Tower be rebuilt? I'd like to see it rebuilt. :)

thats up to the French

It looks as if my work is pretty much cut out for me...

So basicly I have Modern France without Corsica and Burgundy and any colonies, a severely demoralised population, a wrecked Paris and a battered (but still substantial) Industry.

that pretty much sums it up for France... its been a tough century so far

How much would it cost to rebuild the tower?

I have been considerating joining this for some time as a European Leader nation, and it seems that three good countries I could work with are open (Poland, France, Ukraine).

What are the statuses of these countries (France and Poland in particular) and what is the status of Europe right now, since it has all changed?

I have been considerating joining this for some time as a European Leader nation, and it seems that three good countries I could work with are open (Poland, France, Ukraine).

What are the statuses of these countries (France and Poland in particular) and what is the status of Europe right now, since it has all changed?

Ukraine is available, France and Poland have been taken

I guess this has been a very rough generation with at least 3 or 4 Great Wars, A lot of anguish and everything... Hopefully, the Kingdom could help with repairs and with humanitarian aid to obviously Africa, France, Asia or anywhere it is needed with the help of our New Green Cross Organization...(Bulgaria's foreign branch to supplement the Red Cross and Red Cresent organizations...)

The Next Olympic Games are in Saint-Moritz in Switzerland in February of 1948 (winter) and London in June-July of 1948 (summer)... Oslo (winter) and Helsinki (summer) in 1952.
Next FIFA World Cup for 1950 in Brazil.
Next World's Fairs: Stockholm in 1948 and London for 1953.

How much would it cost to rebuild the tower?

call it 1 point to repair cultural icons in Paris. Notre Dame suffered some damaged, as did Versailles (neither were targeted, but fighting was heavy in Paris and around it)

The French News Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10389284#post10389284)

I will look into Ukraine. Any changes done besides Soviet rule?

Next World's Fair possibly 1953 for London or earlier if Stockholm wants to host it (no earlier than 1948 at earliest for recovery to occur).

I'd love to host it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10386631#post10386631

My thread.

London is fine with Sweden hosting the World Fair. It'd suit our isolationist tendencies well...

How much was Berlin messed up? I was thinking about starting a nice little tourist industry.

Oh and I guess the Autobahn will be built when I do the transportation boost?

Parthini']How much was Berlin messed up? I was thinking about starting a nice little tourist industry.

Oh and I guess the Autobahn will be built when I do the transportation boost?

Berlin looks like it did historically in 1945 at the end of the war, but each production center repaired fixes 20% of the city

Before I decide on a nation (now through reading some more it appears that Yugoslavia, a favorite of mine, is still around and has not callapsed) I would like to see the other threads (the economics one and the other I have seen around here). I understand from Philanchez (Spain) that there is a little complicated economic system used, and I would be interested in reading about it before I join.

Call me annoying, but I don't want to jump in and be an idiot on how this place works.

The economics thread is found here: E20 economics thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10376787)
and it's not at all as complicated as it looks, honest!

Ok, I think I'll go with Yugoslavia. I am assuming it has progressed through history with all but Slovenia in its rule, and under this assumption, a Leninist State is in place? I will post some questions in the economic thread after I am done reading it.

EDIT: Anyone with AIM that is willing to take my questions, IM 'HailJewitt', thanks.

Ok, I think I'll go with Yugoslavia. I am assuming it has progressed through history with all but Slovenia in its rule, and under this assumption, a Leninist State is in place? I will post some questions in the economic thread after I am done reading it.

EDIT: Anyone with AIM that is willing to take my questions, IM 'HailJewitt', thanks.

That is not correct. In this timeline, Yugoslavia was created at the end of the 1st Great War (on US urging). It became Socialists in the 1910s, and fought on the Warsaw Pact side during the 2nd Great War and 3rd Great War. During that war, it was overrun by Italian, Albanian, Greek, US and British forces in 1941, and Slovenia was given independence, Kosovo given to Albania, and Macedonia to Greece. Tito and most of the other hard core communists were killed during the war or shot afterwards (by the Greeks and Albanians).

At this point, 1945, Yugoslavia has only recently regained its independence (at its much reduced level of territory) and has a shaky democratic government.

Hm, what is Ukraine's position then? I would like a back-door nation that is not too much of a bleep-hole with massive problems. I can deal with small problems, but not major ones. The economic realism thing is enough for me, so I need something fair off.

By the way, is India still a british protectorate? Maybe even Ethiopia (Noted as an other name I believe). Sorry for being a pain, too, lol.

Hm, what is Ukraine's position then? I would like a back-door nation that is not too much of a bleep-hole with massive problems. I can deal with small problems, but not major ones. The economic realism thing is enough for me, so I need something fair off.

By the way, is India still a british protectorate? Maybe even Ethiopia (Noted as an other name I believe). Sorry for being a pain, too, lol.

take a look at the economic thread, it will tell you on the first page who owns what and the condition they are in. Also, check the first page of this thread, it will have the links to everything critical.

By the way, is India still a british protectorate?...Sorry for being a pain, too, lol.

It's fine. India, as far as I know in this Universe, is a self-functioning ex-member of the British Commonwealth that will be rejoining in the near future that is now called the Federated Asian States (they have a mandate over Afghanistan, Iran, and RL Pakistan/RL Bangladesh). They suffered badly in WWIII when the Russians used chemical and biological weapons on them, but they're coming back....

It's fine. India, as far as I know in this Universe, is a self-functioning ex-member of the British Commonwealth that will be rejoining in the near future that is now called the Federated Asian States (they have a mandate over Afghanistan, Iran, and RL Pakistan/RL Bangladesh). They suffered badly in WWIII when the Russians used chemical and biological weapons on them, but they're coming back....

Yeah and now they are part of the SCT Asia will be unstoppable muahahaha!!!

It's fine. India, as far as I know in this Universe, is a self-functioning ex-member of the British Commonwealth that will be rejoining in the near future that is now called the Federated Asian States (they have a mandate over Afghanistan, Iran, and RL Pakistan/RL Bangladesh). They suffered badly in WWIII when the Russians used chemical and biological weapons on them, but they're coming back....

I don't think I'm getting into the Commonwealth. This is a big blow to the pro-westerners, so you might see some nasty events go down in the F.A.S...

Yeah and now they are part of the SCT Asia will be unstoppable muahahaha!!!

Asia Uber Alles!

Asia Uber Alles!

Seconded. Any SCT members up for turning it into an EU-style outfit later in the century?

Anyway, GB indicated Korea in '48 will have a pretty good tac bomber for use, I'll sell it for half-cost to all SCT members if they want it- the H-5 (RL Il-28). I got the RL stats, it's not bad, comparable to the Canberra with a pretty good warload and speed.

Specifications- H-5/Il-28

Primary Function: Light bomber
Similar Aircraft Canberra, Yak-28 Brewer
Contractor: ILYUSHIN
Power Plant: two Klimov VK-1A
Thrust: 26.48 kN (5,952 lb st) each
Length: 57 ft, 11 in (17.6 m)
Height: 6.70 m
Wingspan: 70 ft, 5 in (21.5 m)
Speed: 902 km/h at 4500 m [maximum]
800 km/h at sea level
876 km/h cruising speed at optimum altitude
Ceiling: 12300 m
Weight: empty 11890 kg
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 21200 kg
Range: 2400 km at 10000 m
1135 km at 1000 m
Armament: Bombs, two 23-mm cannons in tail
Crew: Three
Unit Cost:
Date Deployed:
Current Users: Romania and People’s Republic of China (H-5)
Former Users: Afghanistan, Egypt, Hungary, Iraq, North Korea, Poland and Yemen

Notable events of 1945

War has broken out between the Turks and Greeks (see NPC thread)

Also, Palestine is now being ruled by a Sunni Islamic ultranationalist (who historically thought Hitler was working to slow in his genocide)

India has managed to alienate Nepal, costing it the use of Gurkhas

Burma is on the road to independence,

and the Philippines gain their independence on July 4, 1945, on schedule.

notable technologies on the verge of breakthroughs..

Mach II aircraft
intermediate range rockets (1,000 miles or more)
mainframe computers (vacuem tube and massive tape consoles)
practical surface to air and anti ship missiles
cargo, troop and armed helicopters

Broadcast civilian television as an industry has begun in North America and Europe.

The plastics industry takes off.

The concept of the subdivision has taken off in the US

Home appliances are becoming common in North America, Colombia, parts of Europe

The British and Americans are working on civilian jet passenger air liners

DDT has become a wonder pesticide (unless you are a seabird)

As of the end of 1945, Russia, Japan and Germany still have LTA occupations in their country.

Japan and Germany are peaceful, but US, UK and Russian forces are still fighting Communist guerilla bands in parts of Siberia and the Urals.

Omsk remains unfit for human occupation (and will remain so for at least 20 more years... severe radioactive contimination). Moscow was cleaned up by burning down and bulldozing most of it, although casaulties amongst the cleanup crew were frequent.

The Kremlin has however been decontiminated, and new housing and factories are being built in the city. Soon Moscow will again be the capital of Russia once again. Gorki, although levelled by an atomic attack, has recovered somewhat.

Rice Blast, Wheat Rust, and cattle and sheep disease still trouble portions of North America, Asia, and Russia. Plague outbreaks continue in China and India as well.

OOC: When does Germany stop being occupied? I mean, I do have a standing army...

Parthini']OOC: When does Germany stop being occupied? I mean, I do have a standing army...

ask the British, the US left that to them to determine, although the US feels a peace treaty which recognizes the new borders would be a requirement. The Russians have an army too, and they and the Americans are fighting communist guerilas (the true believers that survive).

OOC: When does Germany stop being occupied? I mean, I do have a standing army...

Britain would liek to think of the "occupation" as more of an extension of the Treaty of Daresalaam. If Germany officially requests it British forces are willing to pull out by the end of 1946, especially since we are now allies and a democratic government is well established. However Britain would ask for basing rights to an airfield and an army base in Germany (ie. 1 bomber unit, 1 fighter unit and 1 infantry division) as Germany is a good tactical base. The German military would gladly be granted similar rights in the UK.

1946 has begun

meanwhile, Intelligences immeasurably superior to ours are looking at the Earth with envious eyes, and slowly drawing their plans against us.









just kidding

check your TGs, Galveston.

GB can you add a link to the Commonwealth Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468464) to the front page please?

Thanks

Germany agrees to the kind British proposal and begin discussing plans with the British authorities in Germany. A suggestion for a base in Stettin is put forth.

The new president of the SU has anounced that the Kattegatt and Skagerack are now officially to be considered Scandinavian, and not international, waters. Before Denmark, Norway and Sweden had joined together in Union it was neccessary for the Katteget and the Skagerrak to be considered international waterways but now that all three nations bordering it are one the SU sees no need for it to be such.

Stockholm will host the next World's Fair to start sometime when the countries have recovered enough (maybe 1948 appoximately)...

The new president of the SU has anounced that the Kattegatt and Skagerack are now officially to be considered Scandinavian, and not international, waters. Before Denmark, Norway and Sweden had joined together in Union it was neccessary for the Katteget and the Skagerrak to be considered international waterways but now that all three nations bordering it are one the SU sees no need for it to be such.

The US protests that move, asking the Scandic Union its opinion if for example the British declared the English Channel exclusively English, or the Straits of Molocca or Tsushima Straits. Under centuries of Marine Law, the Kattegatt and similar bodies of water have always been considered international waterways.

However, the US does recognize the Keil Canel to be the property of the Scandic Union, just as the Panama Canal is a joint US/Colombian waterway and the Suez Canal is a joint English/Egyptian waterway.

The Geneva Treaty (hopefully) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10422977#post10422977)

Germany, Burgundy, Belgium and the Netherlands are Invited.

Germany agrees to the kind British proposal and begin discussing plans with the British authorities in Germany. A suggestion for a base in Stettin is put forth.

The British authorities in Germany are pleased with the German offer and the first units are being pulled out ready for a complete withdrawal by the end of the (the infantry division transferred to Cyprus will not be replaced in Germany). A base in Settin would please the British government and plans are drawn up for a joint RAF and Army base there. It is hoped that it will become a working base by the withdrawal date and that it can expand to become a major European base for the British Military. Plans include 3 runways, a major barracks are, a military hospital and facilities for a regional Military Intelligence HQ. Provided these plans garner the support of the German authorities. Britain would of course pay rent on the land used for the base (as in RL, not really enough to be worthy of representation in our international economic system but more of a diplomatic getsure).

If the German military so desires an area of Kent can be set aside for a Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht base. (I am presuming these terms are still in use?).

In any case Britain invites the German army and Airforce to participate in combined arms manouvers on Salisbury Plain this Summer. The US and all Commonwealth forces are also invited.

Britain also protests the move to assimilate the Kattegatt and Skagerack waterways argueing that tradition has always maintained these as international waters and that a change can only cause confusion and misunderstanding to seafarers.

The British authorities in Germany are pleased with the German offer and the first units are being pulled out ready for a complete withdrawal by the end of the (the infantry division transferred to Cyprus will not be replaced in Germany). A base in Settin would please the British government and plans are drawn up for a joint RAF and Army base there. It is hoped that it will become a working base by the withdrawal date and that it can expand to become a major European base for the British Military. Plans include 3 runways, a major barracks are, a military hospital and facilities for a regional Military Intelligence HQ. Provided these plans garner the support of the German authorities. Britain would of course pay rent on the land used for the base (as in RL, not really enough to be worthy of representation in our international economic system but more of a diplomatic getsure).

If the German military so desires an area of Kent can be set aside for a Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht base. (I am presuming these terms are still in use?).

In any case Britain invites the German army and Airforce to participate in combined arms manouvers on Salisbury Plain this Summer. The US and all Commonwealth forces are also invited.

Australia will send a light marine brigade and an airborne brigade with transports. 1 wing of Vampire III fighters will also be included.
ooc: hope this is ok

The US protests that move, asking the Scandic Union its opinion if for example the British declared the English Channel exclusively English, or the Straits of Molocca or Tsushima Straits. Under centuries of Marine Law, the Kattegatt and similar bodies of water have always been considered international waterways.

However, the US does recognize the Keil Canel to be the property of the Scandic Union, just as the Panama Canal is a joint US/Colombian waterway and the Suez Canal is a joint English/Egyptian waterway.


Ten years ago the SU would have completely agreed with those arguments and examples, but now those examples are completely irrevelant to the current case. In each of those examples the waters in questions are bordered by multiple soveriegn nations which had been the case with the Skaggerack. But since the foundation of the Union te entire Skaggerack coastline is controlled by one entity, the Scandinavian Union. This action will have little to no effect on the rest of the world. The majority of German shipping does not go thruogh the straits but instead lands in Hamburg which is Germany's biggest port, in fact the second biggest port in continential Europe.

Ten years ago the SU would have completely agreed with those arguments and examples, but now those examples are completely irrevelant to the current case. In each of those examples the waters in questions are bordered by multiple soveriegn nations which had been the case with the Skaggerack. But since the foundation of the Union te entire Skaggerack coastline is controlled by one entity, the Scandinavian Union. This action will have little to no effect on the rest of the world. The majority of German shipping does not go thruogh the straits but instead lands in Hamburg which is Germany's biggest port, in fact the second biggest port in continential Europe.

The United States is willing to accept this Scandic Union action if the Scandic Union allows the right of innocent passage for merchant and other commercial shipping, as well as other innocent passage (ooc yachts etc) between the German and Polish Baltic ports and the North Sea through the Kattegatt. The US recognizes that warships that don't belong to the Scandic Union, Poland or Germany are another matter entirely.

ooc
Poland should be speaking on this too, they own the port of Riga and that is their only access to the sea. Since Danard isn't here, the Poles are going to complain loudly as well.

Civilian shipping of course will be let through, just as America and Colombia let shipping through the Panama Canal. Though the SU does hold the right to turn back or refuse passage to ships carrying contraband. Military ships are an entirely different matter as for any ship to use these straits they would have to come within a stone throw of several Scandinavian islands and cities, including Copenhagen.

OOC: I was hoping no one would remember the Poles.

Civilian shipping of course will be let through, just as America and Colombia let shipping through the Panama Canal. Though the SU does hold the right to turn back or refuse passage to ships carrying contraband. Military ships are an entirely different matter as for any ship to use these straits they would have to come within a stone throw of several Scandinavian islands and cities, including Copenhagen.

OOC: I was hoping no one would remember the Poles.

The US points out that the right of innocent passage precludes inspections, which is of course the only way the Scandic Union would find any contraband to begin with. The US is willing to accept compromise restricting the Baltic Sea and the passage through the Kattegat to only the warships of the Scandic Union, Germany and Poland, and any and all unarmed commercial and civilian shipping

ooc
The US is big on freedom of the seas, and the Poles should have remembered the Poles but didn't so the referee will make sure the situation remains reasonably accurate.

The SU will accept that as long as advanced warning is given by either the Poles or Germans before military vessels near the islands in the Kattegat.

OOC: I was hoping no one would remember the Poles.

Everyone remembers me. MUHAHAHAHAHA!

The SU will accept that as long as advanced warning is given by either the Poles or Germans before military vessels near the islands in the Kattegat.

Propose a UN Resolution summarizing the agreement reached and the US will get behind it

Polish Thred under construction : http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10385610#post10385610

Just reposting this.

Amestria has decided to RP Portugal.

Amestria has decided to RP Portugal.

and has been approved

I was hoping no one would remember the Poles.

That's been my opinion all game long...

IC: The German Empire fully agrees to all propositions regarding the Kattegat.

Here is the Portugese thread...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10427372#post10427372

I have am going to keep Salazar in power to keep things interesting (how exciting would history be without its dictators).

Australia will send a light marine brigade and an airborne brigade with transports. 1 wing of Vampire III fighters will also be included.

The Australian troops will be welcomed to the exercises on Salisbury Plain. It is hoped that better cooperation between the air and infantry arms will result, that closer ties can be forged between allies and that the troops will learn how to operate in a multi-national environment.

France adds its formal protest to the chorus of protests upon the SU's decisions.

The Australian troops will be welcomed to the exercises on Salisbury Plain. It is hoped that better cooperation between the air and infantry arms will result, that closer ties can be forged between allies and that the troops will learn how to operate in a multi-national environment.

ooc: and as an additional bonus, should the Med. degenerate any further my troops will be reasonable close to help out...

Statement From the King of Syria

The world has just seen the worst conflict in human history, and now news of the Greek and Turkish governments' conflict fills the media. In such a world, a small nation like Syria cannot survive on its own. Our military is small, barely enough to defend ourselves, and very little of the MEU's officer class came from Syria, leaving us with far too few experienced officers to command our men. Any nation who would send officers to help modernize our military would be greatly thanked by myself, the Majlis al-Chaab, and the Syrian people as a whole.

(OOC: Beginning my sinister (meaning left-handed of course) plots. Bwahahaha.)

SIC:
Jan Smuts orders a mission of Staatpolitie to the new consulate, to conduct "intelligence-gathering operations into the viability of national Mozambican resistance." Meetings with native intellectuals and politicians who oppose Portugese rule are also arranged, though numbers of such persons are expected to be low. Both endeavors are to be undertaken with the utmost possible secrecy.

OOC: Looks like South African Intelligence officers are attempting to organize pro-independence individuals in Mozambique during a government crack down...


The Portuguese Government spends additional revenue in the Colonies (4.75 points total), but little of it is spent to better the conditions of the people. Some communities near the coasts are given some aid (a school, clinic, est: gets .25 of a point) but that is simply window dressing to impress/distract visiting foreigners. The vast majority of the allocation is spent improving the instruments of Colonial Oppression (police, prisons, spy networks: gets 2.25 points) and resource gathering/communication (railroads, telephone/telegraph lines, new mines, est: gets 2.25 points).

The International and State Defense Police begins a crackdown against those opposed to the regime (real or imagened) at home and in the Colonies (particularly those areas bordering colonies being granted independence). There are some disapperances…


Just to point out, The International and State Defense Police is considered one of the best secret police units in history...

[From Wikipedia]
"PIDE is considered by many authors as being one of the most functional and effective secret services in history. Using a wide network of covert cells, which were spread throughout Portugal and its overseas territories, PIDE had infiltrated agents into almost every underground movement, including the Portuguese Communist Party as well as the independence movements in Angola and Mozambique. The PIDE encouraged citizens - the so-called bufos (snitches) - to denounce suspicious activities, through the use of monetary and prestige incentives. This resulted in an extremely effective espionage service which was able to fully control almost every aspect of Portuguese daily life. Thousands of Portuguese were arrested and tortured in PIDE's prisons."[End Quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIDE

So how effective is the work of the South African Intelligence agents and what is the result of the crack down upon what elements of the pro-independence movement they manage to stir up?

BTW: The link on the main page to the Portuguese thread does not lead to the Portuguese thread...

OOC: Looks like South African Intelligence officers are attempting to organize pro-independence individuals in Mozambique during a government crack down...



Just to point out, The International and State Defense Police is considered one of the best secret police units in history...

[From Wikipedia]
"PIDE is considered by many authors as being one of the most functional and effective secret services in history. Using a wide network of covert cells, which were spread throughout Portugal and its overseas territories, PIDE had infiltrated agents into almost every underground movement, including the Portuguese Communist Party as well as the independence movements in Angola and Mozambique. The PIDE encouraged citizens - the so-called bufos (snitches) - to denounce suspicious activities, through the use of monetary and prestige incentives. This resulted in an extremely effective espionage service which was able to fully control almost every aspect of Portuguese daily life. Thousands of Portuguese were arrested and tortured in PIDE's prisons."[End Quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIDE

So how effective is the work of the South African Intelligence agents and what is the result of the crack down upon what elements of the pro-independence movement they manage to stir up?

BTW: The link on the main page to the Portuguese thread does not lead to the Portuguese thread...

ooc
since both of you are just really starting your plans this year, neither is particularly effective at the moment. However, both are very competent, so it may take a while to find out how things go. Remember however that Portugal historically did eventually pull out of Portuguese Africa after a long war of liberation supported by the Communists. So Portugual can be outlasted.

ooc: Remember however that Portugal historically did eventually pull out of Portuguese Africa after a long war of liberation supported by the Communists. So Portugual can be outlasted.

OOC: Historically the wars of liberation broke out in the sixties (aided by the Soviet Union and its allies) and Portugal withdrew in the early seventies after a long and fruitless struggle... It is currently 1946, so the independence movements will most likely take a while to develop (particularly under an increasingly powerful police regime).

OOC: Historically the wars of liberation broke out in the sixties (aided by the Soviet Union and its allies) and Portugal withdrew in the early seventies after a long and fruitless struggle... It is currently 1946, so the independence movements will most likely take a while to develop (particularly under an increasingly powerful police regime).

Depends which region.. Asian Wars of Liberation begin during World War II (the Dutch lost Indonesia almost immediately after the war for example). In this case, I (the referee) have orders from both sides, and those will be factored in.

Depends which region.. Asian Wars of Liberation begin during World War II (the Dutch lost Indonesia almost immediately after the war for example). In this case, I (the referee) have orders from both sides, and those will be factored in.

OOC: I meant Africa (specifically, Portuguese Africa).

The new president of the SU has anounced that the Kattegatt and Skagerack are now officially to be considered Scandinavian, and not international, waters. Before Denmark, Norway and Sweden had joined together in Union it was neccessary for the Katteget and the Skagerrak to be considered international waterways but now that all three nations bordering it are one the SU sees no need for it to be such.

a heavily modified and clarified version of this passes through the UN and is approved.

is it too late to sign up? cause i see you still need a Japan

is it too late to sign up? cause i see you still need a Japan

It is never too late if the country is still open... GB will approve you.

how long before Japan is allowed a military?

how long before Japan is allowed a military?

send me a TG and we will talk

How many Germans can be expected to immigrate to Portuguese Africa?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10433466&postcount=13

notable events in 1946
Greco-Turk War continues before finally being brought to an end in May 1946. The war results in the displacement of nearly 1 million Greeks from Anatolia and 1 million Turks from Thrace and an agreement were Greece permanently gets Thrace and Turkey permanently gets Anatolia.

Spain, Portugal and Morocco form a trade bloc, while Germany, Burgundy, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France discuss doing the same.

The Scandic Union gains the right to consider the Kattegat its territorial waters although commercial and private shipping is allowed free passage through the area, as are Polish and German warships with appropriate courtesy.

Germany presses to regain Austria, and Austria choses to be annexed by Germany and does so by the end of June 1946.

President Truman of the United States is murdered by 3 disillusioned communists in Washington DC.

France and Germany agree to recognize the postwar borders of Europe.

Television continues to grow in importance in North America and Western Europe and broadcast television starts up in Mexico, Colombia, Argentina and Brazil (in the cities).

Direct commercial flights become possible between New York City and London aboard the newest long ranged air liners such as the Lockheed Constellation.

The US, Canada, Iceland, Ireland and United Kingdom create an integrated air sea rescue and weather service to cover the North Atlantic, and Russia, Japan and the US do the same for the North Pacific.

The new expansion of international routes for the state owned British Overseas Airways Corporation sees the arrival of new airliners such as the new jet liner De Havilland Comet,

The Bristol Type 175 Britannia turboprop has made it's first flight and are expected to join the fleet witin 4 years. The Vickers Viscount turboprop is expected to come into useage within 18 months.

The de Havilland DH.114 Heron introduced last year continues in use as a smaller aircraft for lighter useage domestic flights.

OOC: Using the 5 years ahead of RL tech developments thing...

Also historically in 1946: A British Avro Lancastrian powered with Rolls-Royce Nene turbojets is credited with the first international passenger jet flight from London to Paris on November 23 1946. The flight time was just 41 minutes.

You know, wouldn't it be kind of cool if we could vote for the host cities for each Olimpics. We could nominate several cities and vote on who the host that year is.

How many Germans can be expected to immigrate to Portuguese Africa?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10433466&postcount=13

Bump...

The Scandinavian Union has just reached a deal with Syria(over chatzy) to sell weaponry to the Syrian army. Enough planes(Saab 21's) to outfit a fighter-bomber unit and enough tanks and assorted equipment for a single armored division. The SU is getting 5 points in exchange for this.

1946 has begun

meanwhile, Intelligences immeasurably superior to ours are looking at the Earth with envious eyes, and slowly drawing their plans against us.









just kidding

Aw, I was hoping for that.

(I know I was removed from this RP due to lack of activity but.....)

*Sigh* Over the last several weeks I have found myself less and less interested in Nationstates. I have been unable to muster enough creative thought to make even a half-assed attempt to upkeep my current RP’s and for that I am sorry. Do to this lack interest, lack of creativity and a general lack of time, I have decided to take a break from Nationstates. I truly enjoyed RP’ing with you all and I apologize for any inconvenience my leaving causes. Again, goodbye, and thanks for all the good times.

(I know I was removed from this RP due to lack of activity but.....)

*Sigh* Over the last several weeks I have found myself less and less interested in Nationstates. I have been unable to muster enough creative thought to make even a half-assed attempt to upkeep my current RP’s and for that I am sorry. Do to this lack interest, lack of creativity and a general lack of time, I have decided to take a break from Nationstates. I truly enjoyed RP’ing with you all and I apologize for any inconvenience my leaving causes. Again, goodbye, and thanks for all the good times.

Actually you hadn't yet, but I am sorry that you have to leave. We will miss you.

The Scandinavian Union has just reached a deal with Syria(over chatzy) to sell weaponry to the Syrian army. Enough planes(Saab 21's) to outfit a fighter-bomber unit and enough tanks and assorted equipment for a single armored division. The SU is getting 5 points in exchange for this.

ok

Bump...

That will take considerable thought. Most people from a relatively high tech country aren't excited about moving to what is essentially a tech level 2 country. Especially without very sizeable incentives.

You know, wouldn't it be kind of cool if we could vote for the host cities for each Olimpics. We could nominate several cities and vote on who the host that year is.

excellent idea, next Olympics would be set already, but the 1952 Olympics should be voted on

That will take considerable thought. Most people from a relatively high tech country aren't excited about moving to what is essentially a tech level 2 country. Especially without very sizeable incentives.

A high tech country which suffered greatly under Communist rule and in the Third World War. There would be a lot of people who were economically ruined, would want a fresh start, or just want to get the hell out of Germany (who says they have to be stable honest individuals...they can be former criminals, sociopaths, Junkers, Megalomaniacs, est.). Correct me if I am wrong but the war ended roughly three to four years ago...things are still recovering.

The Incentives are as Follow

1. 300 acres of land per individual/family unit.

2. Right to employ the services of the locals.

3. The Portuguese Government will arm the settlers.

This offer I should also mention applies to Portuguese settlers as well.

A high tech country which suffered greatly under Communist rule and in the Third World War. There would be a lot of people who were economically ruined, would want a fresh start, or just want to get the hell out of Germany (who says they have to be stable honest individuals...they can be former criminals, sociopaths, Junkers, Megalomaniacs, est.). Correct me if I am wrong but the war ended roughly three to four years ago...things are still recovering.

The Incentives are as Follow

1. 300 acres of land per individual/family unit.

2. Right to employ the services of the locals.

3. The Portuguese Government will arm the settlers.

This offer I should also mention applies to Portuguese settlers as well.


valid points, on the other hand, immigrating to South Africa or North America or Argentina is less likely to result in Malaria

Also, the German Government (I believe) is offering cash to help with the move...

BTW: Yes, Malaria would be a PR problem for the Portuguese Colonies as the climates are tropical to sub tropical...

Also, the German Government (I believe) is offering cash to help with the move...

like I said, I will have to consider it, and do some research

We have a week off from school this comeing week so my family is going to West Virginia to go skiing. I will be gone from Tuesday until about Friday or Saturday. I already submitted the 1947 builds for Spain although Im going to talk to Snu when he gets on to see if there are some other things I can do.

excellent idea, next Olympics would be set already, but the 1952 Olympics should be voted on

I was thinking of a few posible host cities that we could vote on for 1952:


Paris (So everyone gets to see the city rebuilt)

Warsaw (Former capital of the Soviet Union)

Berlin (Another former Soviet city)

Copenhagen (A randomly thrown in city as an underdog in the voting)

Bangkok (Throwing in a random city from an eastern country)






We could vote on these or we could nominate some cities and vote on those. It makes more sence than just using the historical olympic cities.

I was thinking of a few posible host cities that we could vote on for 1952:


Paris (So everyone gets to see the city rebuilt)

Warsaw (Former capital of the Soviet Union)

Berlin (Another former Soviet city)

Copenhagen (A randomly thrown in city as an underdog in the voting)

Bangkok (Throwing in a random city from an eastern country)






We could vote on these or we could nominate some cities and vote on those. It makes more sence than just using the historical olympic cities.

I nominate Pyongyang for the 1952 Olympics (ICly, Korea gets to show off its postwar and prewar progress from a backwards fiefdom to a modern industrial state).

El Escorial in Spain. Beautiful royal city comparative to Versailles. That and its relatively near Madrid. Or Bilbao in Basque Country, beautiful and on the ocean.

I nominate Mumbai.

Since it was leveled, by 1952, we'll have the city all nice and pretty like. Although 1952 may be a bit too soon...Perhaps '56 would be better.

El Escorial in Spain.

Isn't that a gigantic monastery complex near Madrid, not a Versailles-like residence? That's what I learned in Spanish class, anyway, I could be wrong.

The United States puts forward St. Louis in 1956 (nuked and since rebuilt) and Lake Placid for the 1952 Winter Games

El Escorial in Spain. Beautiful royal city comparative to Versailles. That and its relatively near Madrid. Or Bilbao in Basque Country, beautiful and on the ocean.

Portugal seconds whatever Spain proposes.

(OOC: Spain, did you see the proposal on your main thread?)

Ok, I'll nominate Warsaw (for reasons I stated before) for 1956.

These are the nominations so far:

1952 Winter Olympics

Pyongyang
Lake Placid
Vienna
Stockholm

1956 Summer Olympics

El Escorial
Agra
St. Louis
Warsaw
Copenhagen
Saigon
Kyoto



I will wait for a day or so for more nominations to come in. After all of the nominations are in I will detemin how many rounds of voting there will be for each year.




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How 'bout Vienna for the Winter?

China chooses not to nominate any of its cities, as it still has a lot of rebuilding to do and is in no position to be presentable for Olympic games until 1960 or beyond.

Actually, take out Mumbai and replace it with Agra. Wasn't damaged by war, is the capital of the F.A.S, and is rich in tourist sites; perfect for the olympics.

Stockholm for the winter olympics, Copenhagen for the summer.

I don't about the Olympics for France, What about the Soccer world cup?

Bangkok (Throwing in a random city from an eastern country)


Bangkok has yet to see any improvment made to it and as such woud not be suitable for an olympic host.

However Saigon would be a much better choice and is the city the USEA nominates for 1956

Japanese thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10447095#post10447095

The Japanese government offers the city of Kyoto for the Summer Olympics

While Syria does not wish to nominate its own city, hosting a summer Olympics split between Athens and Constaninople would help the nations get over the recent conflict. We look forward to competing in our first Olympic games (is 48 summer or winter?)

News Release

Recently we have recieved offers of training from Germany, the Federation of Asian States, and the Scandic Union. Our response to these nations is detailed below:

We would ask the Scandanavians to help us found a Aerial Warfare College in Aleppo
We would ask the Germans to help us found a Naval College in Beirut
We would ask the FAS to help us found an Army College in Damascus

Ok, I'll nominate Warsaw (for reasons I stated before) for 1956.

These are the nominations so far:

1952 Winter Olympics

Pyongyang
Lake Placid
Vienna
Stockholm

1956 Summer Olympics

El Escorial
Agra
St. Louis
Warsaw
Copenhagen
Saigon
Kyoto



I will wait for a day or so for more nominations to come in. After all of the nominations are in I will detemin how many rounds of voting there will be for each year.




[Post number 500. Muhahahahahaha!]


If I get a few more European cites, nominations will end at about 10 PM (Eastern Standard Time). Otherwise I will wait a bit longer.

I think it would be better if Athens and Constantanople were avoided for the Olympics.

While Syria does not wish to nominate its own city, hosting a summer Olympics split between Athens and Constaninople would help the nations get over the recent conflict. We look forward to competing in our first Olympic games (is 48 summer or winter?)

News Release

Recently we have recieved offers of training from Germany, the Federation of Asian States, and the Scandic Union. Our response to these nations is detailed below:

We would ask the Scandanavians to help us found a Aerial Warfare College in Aleppo
We would ask the Germans to help us found a Naval College in Beirut
We would ask the FAS to help us found an Army College in Damascus


The Federated Asian States would be more than willing to help our Syrian brothers in training their Army. We will be donating a sizeable amount of funds (1 points) to help get the College up-and-running and to assure that the Syrian government is able to properly pay for the new units.

OOC: Another good thing is that you're going to be the first non-Indian nation to get to use the AK-47.

The Japanese government would be willing to send a cadre of naval and air officers to assist in training (since they're not doing anything)

We would be pleased to accept Japanese help, and are pleased that the FAS agrees to our plan.

(OOC: My left-handed plans continue...Saab tanks and planes, Indian guns, and 4 different countries helping train my military...bwahahaha)

OOC:
Both the Winter and Summer Olympics were hosted in the same year, every 4 years up until 1994 (when they were split). So technically you should have a 1952 summer and 1956 winter as well...

If we decide to keep the pattern we have, then Italia will nominate Milan to the 1960 winter olympics. But if we decide to do both each year, I'll take the opportunity to nominate Rome for the 1960 summer olympics (they were hosted there that year).

yes... your 20,000 man army. Let the world tremble!

OOC: Wait, wait, wait....

You want the Germans to teach naval warfare, while having the Indians teach Ground warfare?

Not to be, you know, self-righteous, but shouldn't you be asking the Germans for the Army College? I mean, as of late, the Germans haven't exactly been top-notch on the High Seas. They are know for their ground warfare abilities since... well the Romans....

Ok, the 1952 Winter and Summer Olympics are up for bid as well as the 1956 Winter and Summer Olympics at this time only...
The 1950 and 1954 FIFA World Cup Final Tournaments are up for bid as well...

The World's Fair sites (Stockholm in 1948 and London in 1953)...and the 1948 Olympic Games (St.Moritz and London) stay the same as before...

Ok, the 1952 Winter and Summer Olympics are up for bid as well as the 1956 Winter and Summer Olympics at this time only...
The 1950 and 1954 FIFA World Cup Final Tournaments are up for bid as well...

The World's Fair sites (Stockholm in 1948 and London in 1953)...and the 1948 Olympic Games (St.Moritz and London) stay the same as before...

by the way Kirstiriera is now also the International Olympic Committee... feel free to be arbitrary in that role. In addition, read the economic thread. To host the Olympics you must have an air terminal (costs 4 points) either at the time of selection or must spend it by the time the Olympics are to be hosted. Countries that get the Olympics get a 5 point tourist boost that year only.

Parthini']OOC: Wait, wait, wait....

You want the Germans to teach naval warfare, while having the Indians teach Ground warfare?

Not to be, you know, self-righteous, but shouldn't you be asking the Germans for the Army College? I mean, as of late, the Germans haven't exactly been top-notch on the High Seas. They are know for their ground warfare abilities since... well the Romans....

yes, the Germans have won exactly 1 naval battle in the 20th Century, and that was in the First Great War.

The British and Americans have yet to lose a naval war so far...

The Republic Bids for hosting the World Cup in the Riviera in Marseille to be exact suitable preperation of the area will be the construction of several airports and Cruise terminals.

OOC: The Riviera is the southern coast of France, No?

ALSO-<Cross-Posted From Economic Thread>

The Republic of France offers portugal a loan of 5 points for the following conditions:

Repayment of the amount of 1 point every year for 6 years. Failure of payment causes the debt to increase by 5%.

OOC: If portugal turns this down, offer goes to Syria, if turned down to Egypt, then to Turkey. If turned down after that the amount is donated to the world bank. Of course nobody would know that but the French but I don't want to change my build plan when I make it.

Britain is pleased at being allocated the Summer Olympics in 1948. A brand new series of air terminals will be constructed beginning next year.

I honestly have no idea when China will be able to host the Olympics, if at all. I have 1 national airline and 1 international airline, so does that mean I have 2 airport terminals?

Parthini']OOC: Wait, wait, wait....

You want the Germans to teach naval warfare, while having the Indians teach Ground warfare?

Not to be, you know, self-righteous, but shouldn't you be asking the Germans for the Army College? I mean, as of late, the Germans haven't exactly been top-notch on the High Seas. They are know for their ground warfare abilities since... well the Romans....

OOC: If I remember correctly; Germany hasn't won a ground war since the Franco-Prussian war, where the French were all morons (Let us put our automatic weapons in the REAR, they said). The last time India lost a war was in...the 18th century.

Also, if you look at modern trends, if the armies of Pakistan and India were combined, they'd probably kick more ass than any army in the world, save the United States. Not only would it be big (like China's), but it would be well equipped and experienced. Not like the pansy German's, who send like 500 soldiers to do peace-keeping missions in backwater countries...

I honestly have no idea when China will be able to host the Olympics, if at all. I have 1 national airline and 1 international airline, so does that mean I have 2 airport terminals?

no, airport terminal and cruise ship terminal cost above that and represent not just airports, but the infrastructure needed to handle tourism and everything that goes with it. Its just a convenient phrase when the idea came to me at midnight my time.

If Portugal turns the French offer down, sign us up. The US has a 434 point budget this year, the Syrian budget is...10. However, being the only country in the area with a half-decent military can change that.

OOC: If I remember correctly; Germany hasn't won a ground war since the Franco-Prussian war, where the French were all morons (Let us put our automatic weapons in the REAR, they said). The last time India lost a war was in...the 18th century.

Also, if you look at modern trends, if the armies of Pakistan and India were combined, they'd probably kick more ass than any army in the world, save the United States. Not only would it be big (like China's), but it would be well equipped and experienced. Not like the pansy German's, who send like 500 soldiers to do peace-keeping missions in backwater countries...

Yeah, Franco-Prussian: Captured Paris in three weeks.

I won WWI, hence why I have Austria now.

I utter fucked the Danes before WWII, completely beat them in 2 weeks.

WWII I managed to hold the Americans on the other side of Burgundy.

WWIII, I can't say I did much considering I left the war when the Ground part started.

India, on the other hand, hasn't exactly fought a ground war, other than being practically anihiliated by the Union (which included Germans) in WWII, and then they joined the winning side in WWIII. The British saved you in WWII anyways.

And Modern Germany? You might forget that Germany has been stripped by the Anglos twice in 30 years so I think they decided that having a large army does nothing, since NATO does all of their protecting for them.

German military theory is millenia ahead of India's...

I think Brazil is missing from the front thread list and it maybe either obviously a honest mistake or an accident...

Bulgaria's Queen-regent Anne was pronounced dead of Natural Causes at the time of 23:59:39 on the 31st of December of 1946.

Note : Please send condolenses and messages of mourning and support to the Stara Nova (E20) Thread...http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434337

I think Brazil is missing from the front thread list and it maybe either obviously a honest mistake or an accident...

I think it's because the Brazilian player, Gintopar, hasn't been RP'ing in E20 for a long while, hence the return of Brazil to inactive / NPC status.

Parthini']Yeah, Franco-Prussian: Captured Paris in three weeks.

I won WWI, hence why I have Austria now.

I utter fucked the Danes before WWII, completely beat them in 2 weeks.

WWII I managed to hold the Americans on the other side of Burgundy.

WWIII, I can't say I did much considering I left the war when the Ground part started.

India, on the other hand, hasn't exactly fought a ground war, other than being practically anihiliated by the Union (which included Germans) in WWII, and then they joined the winning side in WWIII. The British saved you in WWII anyways.

And Modern Germany? You might forget that Germany has been stripped by the Anglos twice in 30 years so I think they decided that having a large army does nothing, since NATO does all of their protecting for them.

German military theory is millenia ahead of India's...

ooc
you only got a draw in the 2nd War because the Americans didn't feel like fighting an endless war, in the 3rd War the LTA had the actual capacity to crush the Pact, it didn't in the 2nd War, only hold it off.

Actually the Indians did pretty well in the 2nd War considering they were outnumbered and out powered. They held on long enough to stave off defeat, and if the war had continued, would have been in position to liberate their own country with the help of an amphibious landing at Karachi (which was planned but the war ended before it occured). The Indians also have successful counterinsurgency experience (which Germany dosn't have). However, Germany has a lot more experience in mechanized warfare.

I think it's because the Brazilian player, Gintopar, hasn't been RP'ing in E20 for a long while, hence the return of Brazil to inactive / NPC status.

yes, he has apparently vanished

ooc
you only got a draw in the 2nd War because the Americans didn't feel like fighting an endless war, in the 3rd War the LTA had the actual capacity to crush the Pact, it didn't in the 2nd War, only hold it off.

Actually the Indians did pretty well in the 2nd War considering they were outnumbered and out powered. They held on long enough to stave off defeat, and if the war had continued, would have been in position to liberate their own country with the help of an amphibious landing at Karachi (which was planned but the war ended before it occured). The Indians also have successful counterinsurgency experience (which Germany dosn't have). However, Germany has a lot more experience in mechanized warfare.

OOC: India specialises in the "throw infantry at them until they bleed to death" tactic, or just uses guerilla warfare, because that's what India is good at. Syria can't afford Mechanized warfare; it can afford the human wave ;).

Having an intelligence agency allows you to occasionally get secret information from the Referee (me) on what is going on in the world, and effectiveness varies widely. Most intelligence agencies are good at knowing what their neighbors can do or are planning, and effectiveness decreases the further away they are looking. Being in the UN helps though.

That being the case I would like to knows about as much of the following as possible (it has been several months since the Portuguese intelligence agency became active):

1. What is happening in the Portuguese Colonies bordering South Africa?

2. What is South Africa up to?

3. What is the situation inside the South African Government in regards to their attitudes towards Portugal?

OOC: India specialises in the "throw infantry at them until they bleed to death" tactic, or just uses guerilla warfare, because that's what India is good at. Syria can't afford Mechanized warfare; it can afford the human wave ;).

Except that Syria doesn't have a gigantic population. I'm pretty sure the Syrians would rather fight wars with style.

That being the case I would like to knows about as much of the following as possible (it has been several months since the Portuguese intelligence agency became active):

1. What is happening in the Portuguese Colonies bordering South Africa?

2. What is South Africa up to?

3. What is the situation inside the South African Government in regards to their attitudes towards Portugal?

those kind of questions are handled by TG for security reasons... so send me one with those questions

those kind of questions are handled by TG for security reasons... so send me one with those questions

TG sent GB.

On an island between Norway and Svalbard(Can't find the name of it.) The Scandinavian Union's first nuclear device has been detonated. It was a relatively small 15 kiloton warhead that was observed offshore by multiple naval ships. By the end of the year a further 11 such bombs are hoped to be completed.

On an island between Norway and Svalbard(Can't find the name of it.) The Scandinavian Union's first nuclear device has been detonated. It was a relatively small 15 kiloton warhead that was observed offshore by multiple naval ships. By the end of the year a further 11 such bombs are hoped to be completed.

Scandanavia with nukes? I'm honestly amused and terrified all at once.

To all nuke-capable players:

Speaking of all this nuclear technology flying around, would there be a chance Korea could get some outside help with this stuff?

On an island between Norway and Svalbard(Can't find the name of it.) The Scandinavian Union's first nuclear device has been detonated. It was a relatively small 15 kiloton warhead that was observed offshore by multiple naval ships. By the end of the year a further 11 such bombs are hoped to be completed.

OOC: And the seeds are sown for the European Environmental/Green/anti-nuclear movement to take off big time in the late fifties/sixties...

the Scandic nukes will however ensure that Denmark keeps its borders as is, and that Petrograd remains part of Finland along with Karellia.

Scandanavia with nukes? I'm honestly amused and terrified all at once.

To all nuke-capable players:

Speaking of all this nuclear technology flying around, would there be a chance Korea could get some outside help with this stuff?

Never fear the USEA will be gaining this soon and by extension the SCT.
We should bide our time for now and build up our economies, let the big boys play with their toys.... for now.

I can't afford a human wave, it would be more of a human splash. I need quality, not quantity, as I am as or more advanced than just about everyone in my area (W. Arabia is Tech Level 2 IIRC) Only Egypt and Turkey are more powerful than me, although Kurdistan might be tough.

I can't afford a human wave, it would be more of a human splash. I need quality, not quantity, as I am as or more advanced than just about everyone in my area (W. Arabia is Tech Level 2 IIRC) Only Egypt and Turkey are more powerful than me, although Kurdistan might be tough.

Ok then, you can get the OTHER thing we're pretty darn good at; desert warfare and light-infantry tactics. I mean, come on man, you're the arabs. They haven't won a war in Real Life since 1918! Your best bet is to try and focus on your strengths; fanaticism and the desert. If you get invaded, all you have to do is sit back and watch as the invaders get bogged down in a quagmire. You can also hide in the desert, which most other countries don't have.

Im updating the Asia map, could some one provide me with who owns what in terms of land mass, in particular the centeral asian and middle eastern countries.

On an island between Norway and Svalbard(Can't find the name of it.) The Scandinavian Union's first nuclear device has been detonated. It was a relatively small 15 kiloton warhead that was observed offshore by multiple naval ships. By the end of the year a further 11 such bombs are hoped to be completed.

Just checked my copy of the Times Atlas of the World (9th ed.) and I believe the island you are thinking of is Bjornoya (Bear Island)

If this is the case several environmentalists from the UK will start small scale demonstrations and write to the SU embassy and the British government in protest. These protests are largly focussed on the effects upon the local fauna which include polar bears, arctic foxes, Ringed Seal, Bearded Seal, walrus, snow bunting, ptarmigan, guillemot, puffin, fulmar, kittiwake, glaucous gull, pink-footed goose, arctic char and others. Something is also made of the fact that fallout may spread across central Europe.

No big demonstrations or whatever yet but a few outraged people.

Just checked my copy of the Times Atlas of the World (9th ed.) and I believe the island you are thinking of is Bjornoya (Bear Island)

If this is the case several environmentalists from the UK will start small scale demonstrations and write to the SU embassy and the British government in protest. These protests are largly focussed on the effects upon the local fauna which include polar bears, arctic foxes, Ringed Seal, Bearded Seal, walrus, snow bunting, ptarmigan, guillemot, puffin, fulmar, kittiwake, glaucous gull, pink-footed goose, arctic char and others. Something is also made of the fact that fallout may spread across central Europe.

No big demonstrations or whatever yet but a few outraged people.

The Scandic government asks the British government if it will allow testing on some remote colony oversea's, otherwise further testing will have to continue in the Barents sea as the SU has no other option.

Ok then, you can get the OTHER thing we're pretty darn good at; desert warfare and light-infantry tactics. I mean, come on man, you're the arabs. They haven't won a war in Real Life since 1918! Your best bet is to try and focus on your strengths; fanaticism and the desert. If you get invaded, all you have to do is sit back and watch as the invaders get bogged down in a quagmire. You can also hide in the desert, which most other countries don't have.

And speaking of matters of defense....you have to vote on Japan's entry into the SCT. Just sayin'.

This is a closed roleplay. However, you may apply to join.

1. Players need to have a reasonable amount of RP experience
2. Solid understanding of 20th Century World History
3 Understand that this is an alternate history, and significant events have occured in this timeline that have altered the course of history.
4. Understand that this is a refereed RP, and that the principal referees have the ability and role of insuring that accuracy, realism and plausablity is maintained.


Wars and economics are very important in this RP, just as they were in the actual history of the 20th Century. Special threads to handle both of those things are critical to this RP, and those rules are enforced.

Current Game year as of Monday February 20, 2006 is 1947

use historical aircraft, tanks, ships etc please. You can call them whatever you wish (the China Aviation Company Kirin bomber for example, could use the information for the Tu-4 that existed in real life)

just post links to any aircraft, tank or ship class you rename so I know what it actually can do.

Stay within timeline though. At tech level 7 the F100 transonic jet fighter shows up before the F104 Interceptor which is in turn succeeded by the F4 Phantom and then the F15 Eagle.

The US, UK, Canada can build anything that was built in 1954 (subject to special rules on nuclear power, missiles etc). The Scandic Union, South Africa etc can build 1953 things, and other nations can build accordingly


Tech level 7 advancements
1945 USA, UK, Canada
1946 Scandic Union, South Africa, Burgundy, Colombia, Australia, Italy
1947 Korea, Argentina, Poland, Bulgaria,
1948 Japan, Ukraine, Russia, France,Germany, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Czechslovakia, Hungary,
1949 China, Rumania, Yugoslavia
1950 India, USAE, Brazil, Central Asia, Turkey
1951 Mexico
1952 Egypt, Algeria, Syria

updated tech level advancements

Galveston, check you TGs.

These are the final few moments before the selection of the 1952 Olympic Venues. By May of 1947...The venues will be selected from the cities nominated.

To make things easier on me Please List all of the Candidates on one thread (the deadline is RL 23 of February at 0:01 GMT).

The Scandic government asks the British government if it will allow testing on some remote colony oversea's, otherwise further testing will have to continue in the Barents sea as the SU has no other option.

Unfortunately it is against current British defence policy to allow foreign, unallied governments to conduct weapons tests on British territory. The government has no problems with continued testing on Bjornoya, but will not suppress teh views of its people.

after some thought I have decided that I will nominate Marseilles to the Summer Olympics.

GB-If i turn tech 7 in 52, when do i turn tech 6?

The Federated Asian States support our Syrian friends. However, we believe that this problem could have (and still can be) solved peacefully.

We simply moved our troops to an area within our borders. The Palestinians responded with an attack. We would not attack the Indians because they moved troops to Teheran, but then again we are not a nation ruled by religious zealots who persecute all non-Muslims. Our tolerance of different faiths likely had just as much to do with the attack as did our troop placement.

GB-If i turn tech 7 in 52, when do i turn tech 6?

you are tech level 6 now

Incidently, a UN resolution pertaining to Palestine is before the Security Council (see UN thread)

We simply moved our troops to an area within our borders. The Palestinians responded with an attack. We would not attack the Indians because they moved troops to Teheran, but then again we are not a nation ruled by religious zealots who persecute all non-Muslims. Our tolerance of different faiths likely had just as much to do with the attack as did our troop placement.

We never said that we didn't believe that the attack upon Syria was justified; we just believe that this war could have been averted.

Please note that this war will not cause Indian troops (I.E. about 100 officers to help with the military school) to leave Syria.

The Winter Games will be for Lake Placid, New York in America. The Summer Games will be for Marseille, France (for they were the one of the only 1952 Olympic Bids) or for Helsinki as an alternate site...

Great News! But I thought we were going to vote for it?

Oh since everybody in the Geneve Conference agreed to a European Common Market, I made a thread for it here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10479319#post10479319). Based in Luxemburg if there are no objections from Burgundy (If you could help us GB in figureing how exactly will this work).

Another proposal by the French was made in Geneve, a European Nuclear Agency.

Well, I kind of messed up there. Oh, sorry...

Olympic Note: For 1956 and all other years, please give the list of candidates on the deadline and voting will begin only after the deadline (all 1952 losers can apply if they want...)

Bidding for 1950 FIFA World Cup is on going...

Put Vienna for the next Winter games and Hamburg for both Summer Games and World Cup.

Japan proposes Kyoto for summer olympics

Great News! But I thought we were going to vote for it?

Oh since everybody in the Geneve Conference agreed to a European Common Market, I made a thread for it here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10479319#post10479319). Based in Luxemburg if there are no objections from Burgundy (If you could help us GB in figureing how exactly will this work).

Another proposal by the French was made in Geneve, a European Nuclear Agency.

Kirstenia is the IOC, and he picks the cities for Olympic Games

No appreciable immediate economic effect, but longer term members of that economic pact will pick up a 1% growth bonus each year (for each nation), which is a pretty sizeable economic bonus long term.

Kirstenia is the IOC, and he picks the cities for Olympic Games

No appreciable immediate economic effect, but longer term members of that economic pact will pick up a 1% growth bonus each year (for each nation), which is a pretty sizeable economic bonus long term.

What about the SCT? Will it experience a similiar boost in economic growth, as the SCT is focusing on economic stuff (as well as mutual defense)?

What about the SCT? Will it experience a similiar boost in economic growth, as the SCT is focusing on economic stuff (as well as mutual defense)?

Don't forget the mutual nuclear thing.

Speaking of which, we need to figure out in what country we're going to build our first reactor...Tibet, maybe?

What about the SCT? Will it experience a similiar boost in economic growth, as the SCT is focusing on economic stuff (as well as mutual defense)?

probably, its more complex there though so let me look at it some more.

Tibet is far from the best place to build a nuclear reactor, and would have no interest in allowing one in their country

probably, its more complex there though so let me look at it some more.

Tibet is far from the best place to build a nuclear reactor, and would have no interest in allowing one in their country

Meh. It was just a thought. After all, I have poured in like 25 points to Tibet, giving it more than enough money to have level 5 social services, as well as build up its infrastructure to boost it a tech level. And you haven't even seen how much I plan to send in 1949 yet ;). I bet by 1960, Tibet will have an HDI of like 0.850, be tech level 7.5, and have like 25 points to build with(20 points from tourism, 4 points from airplanes, and 1 point from production center) :D. Also, with a nuclear reactor, Tibet could also be a "clean" country; that way, no smog or anything will pollute the breath-taking Tibetan land-scape, thus ruining tourism. Or distracting the monks.

Also, Tibet is a "neutral" country, as it were. It's not China, it's not India, it's not Korea, it's not Japan, and it's not the U.S.E.A. That way, the SCT could avoid looking like an organization that favors <insert country here>'s interests.

Which brings me to yet ANOTHER point; how do land-locked countries deal with commerce? After all, you cant really build a merchant fleet in the middle of the Tibetan plateu. Are they just screwed, or do they have an alternative?

probably, its more complex there though so let me look at it some more.

Tibet is far from the best place to build a nuclear reactor, and would have no interest in allowing one in their country

Hmm. From what I understand and envision for the SCT- It'll probably be an Asian version of the EU, with NATO-like mutual defense of each other.

Which brings me to yet ANOTHER point; how do land-locked countries deal with commerce? After all, you cant really build a merchant fleet in the middle of the Tibetan plateu. Are they just screwed, or do they have an alternative?


they are screwed, although they can always build airlines

Hmm. From what I understand and envision for the SCT- It'll probably be an Asian version of the EU, with NATO-like mutual defense of each other.

That's pretty much it, Sharina :). Perhaps, in a while, we'll adopt a common currency, too. The Aseo, perhaps?

they are screwed, although they can always build airlines

Meh; 25 points is enough for Tibet :D

Also, I'd like to see how Tibet has utilized all the cash I've given it. You already told me it's expanding it's rail connections with it's neighbors (except for me, since you can't build a rail-road over Mount Everest), but you haven't told me if it's built any planes, what level social services it has given, if it's built any military units, etc.

Don't forget the mutual nuclear thing.

Speaking of which, we need to figure out in what country we're going to build our first reactor...Tibet, maybe?

Korea'd be happy to host a nuclear reactor.

Korea'd be happy to host a nuclear reactor.

We should probably just let Korea have the first one and then spread them out equally from there on.

Meh; 25 points is enough for Tibet :D

Also, I'd like to see how Tibet has utilized all the cash I've given it. You already told me it's expanding it's rail connections with it's neighbors (except for me, since you can't build a rail-road over Mount Everest), but you haven't told me if it's built any planes, what level social services it has given, if it's built any military units, etc.

I have been busy dealing with other things.. but I will post it tomorrow or monday

I will be updating NPC nations and PC nations in the economic thread this week by the way

hope to finish by Friday

I'm putting up Helsinki for the summer Olympic games and Oslo for the winter games.

I just realised that in this timeline the Jews aren't that bad off. I mean, there was no Holocaust, and the Jews have two "states" (Zion and Manmasseh, which is one of the republics of the F.A.S.)

I have noticed that several diplomatic threads are missing from the main page, I would like to point them out in hope that they will be fixed.

The SU:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467777

Bulgaria:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434337

Syria:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467582

Portugal:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10427372#post10427372

Has anyone posted in the economic thread lately? Just wondering as its that time of the week to start posting builds as its 1948 now, I believe?