NationStates Jolt Archive

Helvetian* Repuclic is propably what he meant. It's Swizerland, yes.

also I was wondering about portugal defeating spain, but it makes some sense until I read that Portugal was sending 600,000! troops from Africa.

That doesn't seem to be possible, and I think it is faulty. Just because you have the population doesn't mean you have the means to send it or that you can just raise an army from natives like that.

Very true.

The grand neutral? He wants to play the neutral of all neutrals? Ehhh okie.

Ok, I'm in. I'll take a while to go through what's going on, so I won't post too much yet, but I'm active as of now.

Well, both Portugal and Spain were pretty much Bankrupt at the beginning of the 20th century. Portugal was supported by Britain though...

BTW, Welcome Switzerland!

And as promised:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10373037#post10373037

the Asian-Pacific Theatre!

also I was wondering about portugal defeating spain, but it makes some sense until I read that Portugal was sending 600,000! troops from Africa.

That doesn't seem to be possible, and I think it is faulty. Just because you have the population doesn't mean you have the means to send it or that you can just raise an army from natives like that.

Angola Population: 8,000,000+ (3.5% Pop = 280,000)
Mozambique Population: 11,000,000+ (3.5% Pop = 385,000)

Portuguese colonies weren't poor and chaotic like many other colonies. By World War I, Portugal was down to Cape Verde, São Tomé and Príncipe, Guinea-Bissau, Angola, and Mozambique, but Angola and Mozambique alone had enough natural resources and manpower to win the war. I didn't train them or anything (here's your gun, get on the boat) but they never even fought.

The "grand neutral" was threatened several times, I might note, and the militia were rallied and placed along the border during the wars. So Switzerland wasn't exactly innactive. I believe, though I'm not actually sure, that Germany even declared war on Switzerland, but never bothered attacking. They planned to attack several times anyway.



um... what is France doing for the moment? I can't find a specific thread about it...

Germany may have declared war on the Swiss in WWI, but they BARELY declared war in this Roleplay. The Bloodthirsty Democracies couldn't resist attacking my peace loving empire.

Heh, anyway, welcome to the roleplay. I'd update the map, but I have to go out to dinner with some people. I'll do it after the Nets game.

I've created a new Spanish thread to keep everyone up to date on the situation after the war.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10374001#post10374001

I haven't attacked you. I simply set up a defensive position. Well... at the moment that is. MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!

where do I write a letter to France?

either send a telegram to the person playing them or post a message in their thread

they don't have a thread

Yeah, they're taking their sweet time getting stuff together.

to get things kicked off, I just wanted to add some things...

Cantelmuim, I don't think you can just advance into France and towards Paris like that. Even if he sent no armies and didn't advance, there would still be frontier forts to deal with and slow you down.

and shouldn't you be reacting to the Russian actions on the eastern front?

@ Titicus:

In dealing with France: They allocated positions for all of their men. If they garrisoned men in forts, they would have accounted for it. My soldiers have been advancing across Northern France, (historically as well) because it was a little defended part which they could easily push through.

In dealing with Russia: Russia's men are just there to prevent mine from advancing as of now. I beleive Russia and I figured out how we were going to deal with our fronts.

I understand your concern, hopefully this clears it up.

Well actually ya might wanna read the post I am about to put up. Cause.... it's a little change. Yep sure is.

And as promised:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10373037#post10373037

the Asian-Pacific Theatre!

Just to give it some attention...

So Japan is going for it. Groovy. Very very Groovy.

What happened to Austria Hungary? I'm confused that they just disappeared.

France, Spain and Switzerland need factbooks!

And Serbia needs to come back!

Sorry, Its been Tough, with comp problems.

I still post at friends, school, etc and hopfully get my comp working good again soon

It's alright. I'll forgive. Even if my soldiers don't. MWAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!

i gave you another factbook, it's on this page actually

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10390898#post10390898

Nothing on it yet, but there will be. At least you can write letters now.

So the Swiss military is hard to find. I see I see.

excuse me (mock indignation), world's best trained militia...

lol. OH my this is just too funny.

hey hey now, they have knives - be afraid, be very afraid

(and they have allies)


look out, the US is making some major moves...muahahaha

Yo, Topal/Frozopia. I've sent two TG's to your Topal account. Come on, buddy, check your mail.

But, seriously, Switzerland has always been able to raise a substantial well armed (1850s rifles or something like that) force.

Going on holiday this saturday for a week, will be unable to RP till I return. Sorry.

I appreciate your warning ahead of time. What do you want us to consider for the British forces while your gone?

Im recruiting big time, and my numbers increase in size everyday. I dont know what happened to the colonial players (e.g. Australia) but I will be importing troops from there too. For the moment, my leaders are cautious, carefully defending. I cant afford to lose my now 300,000 force who have now combined together. If things become desperate in my absence, they will fight to stop the Germans taking Paris, at all costs.

Frozopia, check your TG's!

Cantelmium, i think I sent you a TG too, if not i'll send it to you again

Like for me the RUssians won't be able to post on SUnday. So I'll be mobilizing two armies and such.

woohoo, finally those MexICan's are going down. Look out world.

Madnestan / Elite Battle Hordes TG's for both of you.

Are they? Are they really going down? Or are they just waiting for you to hide, then while your back is turned, stab you in the back.

why would I hide?

Portugal has 100,000 mercenaries up for rent? This is so far from realism in every aspect that I am currently unsure whether to laugh or weep... :rolleyes:

"Will you give me Kongo if I give 100,000 Africans to you?"

Ffs..

Hmm, I could've sworn we ALL ended the slave trade.

Heh, interesting proposal though.

Angola Population: 8,000,000+ (3.5% Pop = 280,000)
Mozambique Population: 11,000,000+ (3.5% Pop = 385,000)

Didn't we just go over this a few days ago during the Iberian War? And interesting that my grammer, spelling, and entire propsal seemed to fall apart in your "quote". :p Btw, I'll mark that down as a "no" for you.

the slave trade "officially ended"
Cantelmium i'm still waiting for a response from you

You need to train them. You need to give officers to them. You need to cloth and equip them. Percentage of population alone has very little to do with the numbers you can draft into your armed forces, especially when it is an African colony we're talking about.

What's most important, you would need to motivate them. Just drafting your Africans and sending them to fight in Europe, for a nation they have never even heard of, for reasons they don't have the slightest clue, to face German army?

Their military value would be very, very low - expecially considering the training standards of Portugal.

In any case, Portugal trading about 8 divisions of African soldiers for Belgian land in 1914 is so ridiculous idea I still doubt if it was seriously proposed...

Didn't the French use African Troops to great advantage during the war? If I remember their African divisions were some of the best.

I gave numbers, not promises on how good they'll perform. Besides, in my real tg, I was going to send some of my European soldiers to accompany them, who would obviously know who Germany is and what is going on.

yea French African soldiers fought, and were portrayed as brave soldiers leading the French to victory in propaganda posters, plus the French weren't racist which helped

but was that just propoganda or real?

and BUMP for Nvoak to respond on the Mexico page. It has been a while, don't make me call the day rule and take over.

yea French African soldiers fought, and were portrayed as brave soldiers leading the French to victory in propaganda posters, plus the French weren't racist which helped

These troops were African, yea, but they were professional soldiers in a professional army. Portugal farting out of nowhefe 100,000 men of such troops appears just absurd to me, but I will not weep anymore if you all are ok with it. Just that Belgia will not use them, period.

EDIT: The French were just as racist as anybody else. All major colonial powers used colonial troops. They just didn't do too well in European threatre. Moroccans and Spahis were very good in certain circumstances and their bayonet charges were feared by the Germans, but in bad weather and under heavy shelling (both something they had no experience or understanding about) they turned out to be somewhat unrealiable in times.

They were, however, usually quite loyal and brave because they came from warrior tribes (Spahis, Gurkhas, Moroccans) and were, as said, professional soldiers and served in British, French and German armies, the best in the world. These Angola-Mosambique troops, drafted just recently in such great numbers, are trained by Portugese who were propably the worst troops in the Whole War. I don't think they could act any better than armed mob Belgia could draft from Congo, Brits from Burma, Netherlands from Sumatra, etc.

Hey more bodies for the grinder.

Hey folks, sorry for not posting. I have an especially nasty wrestling injury from last saturday and I've been in a sling with painkillers all week. I'm sorry for the postponement, but if you could give me a few more days, I'd be gracious.

So a few more weeks game time. Sure we understand the injury I suppose.

Did everyone die or something?

a lot of soldiers have

Wow, I just realized it's been over a week since Cantel "terrible wrestling accident". Maybe he croaked.

No, the war ended. Secretly Spain, Portugal and Russia entered into an alliance and conquered the world?

No, France conquered the world. Not through military means, obviously, but by getting everyone drunk on their fine wine and then convincing them to play "bumber boats" with the British navy.

funny

I like the Spain and Russia idea. And yeah it's hard to fight a war with one side absent.

Sooo, I'm back again (finally) after my PC got fixed recently. Is everything/everybody gone?

Long dead man.

Yeah unfortunitly. Oh well. *Shrugs*

To bad :(

Maybe a restart? Anyway, I was planning a restart of an older RP (maybe you've seen the Age of Imperialism RP a few months ago). It will start either 1910 or 1914 and then go un until something 2000+

Anyone who's interested TG me or post here.

I'm up for it if people want to start this again.

Yeah I wouldn't mind a restart.

I suggest we start in 1900 or so. I suppose it will be identical to that 1900-2000 rp, but I would rather have that than a guarentee that everything will turn out the same as it did historically. That is, if we start in 1910, or moreso 1914, we will probably end up with an identical start to world war one.

Yeah, we could start in 1900 and see if things turn different than RL. But you must remind that some causes for WWI were older and ran deeper. One example is the French-German animosity. If anyone else has ideas, shoot them. I'll post my plans later today.

So do we keep our country if we are still here?

Players can keep their nations in the restart, if they want. I don't have any objections.

My plan is basicly simple: a slightly different RP but (I hope) still a lot of fun. First everyone chooses a nation (I'll continue with RPing Japan) and creates a factbook/diplomacy thread for his nation. Some basic info, such as military, population, head of state etc. must be given. If we have players for the most important nations we start. We start in either 1910 or 1900 (I don't mind, you guys may say which date we start) and we'll continue to something like 2000 or 2010.

Any ideas? And please give your opinion: should we start inf 1900 or 1910?

1900: 0
1910: 4
Don't mind: 1

Japan: Warta Endor
Germany: Elite Battle Hordes
Russia-Sukiada
Switzerland-the Keltoi Tribe
Italy-Koryan
Spain-Haneastic

Actually I have changed my mind, 1910 is better, and I want to switch to Germany since Cantelmium is the one who isn't here.

Good point. And I suppose I shall stick with RUssia. SO will this be mostly diplomatic at first? And how do I find RUssia's info? Any suggestions?

I'll stick with CH. 1910 is better, cuz not much will happen between 1900 and 1914.

It will probably be a bit more peaceful at first. It's ok for you to be Russia/Switzerland.

I am really astonished how hard it is to find any information on Russia at all. Even google and wikipedia have failed me...:(

The closest thing I have found is the Russo-Japanese War statistics, which mention about 2 million troops:

State Entry Exit Combat Forces Population Losses
Japan 1904 1905 400000 45000000 85000
Russia 1904 1905 2000000 136000000 125000

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/romeo/russojapanese1904.htm

For the navy, I could find almost nothing. A lot of text which I haven't read thoroughly (I'm lazy :D) but no real numbers...

Maybe if you read better, you can find more info. Just search for Russo-Japanese war.

...

I'll come back but not as Portugal. How about Italy?

And if we're going all the way to 2000, what time scale will we use?

1910 seems fine with me, I'll stick with Spain

I was thinking about a timeline similar to the E20 timeline, or we could do 1 RL day is 1 IC month, with a slower pace in times of war.

I think 1RL day = 1 month is good. we might also want to make a seperate thread for a re-do though

I will make threads for OOC, Major Events and Diplomacy. I first wanted to discuss how to organize this with you guys. And it seems like we will start in 1910.

So basically old French style battleships that the Japanese can sink. And the Russo-Japanese war has it's faulty info problem that the RUssians never brought anywhere near their full power to bear due to political reasons.

As for the Russo-Japanese war, that was the strength of the Russian army at that time. And the Russian Navy at the beginning of the Russo-Japanese war weren't all "old French Battleships". And the Russians have never brought two million in the field against Japan. But anyway, as we probably will start in 1910 you can also use specifics for the First World War. But it remins hard to find info on the Russian Navy.

EDIT: Found a site just a few seconds ago!

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWinRussia.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWrussiaA.htm

I hope you can get some info here. Otherwise you could try a library (if you wanna go that for for an RP :D)

Ok, somethign really strange is going on...
I thought we had some other posts?:confused:

Age of Imperialism, Version II

This is another (yes, another) alternative history RP. The previous Age of Imperialism died a few months ago and since then I have been thinking about restarting the RP. I had joined a WWI RP which had died a few weeks ago. So here’s the new RP!

January the first, year of the lord Nineteen hundred and ten. A new decennia has started and who knows what will happen? Germany is expanding its navy und so scaring Great Britain out of splendid isolationism into the arms of France. Great Britain is still world power number one and rules over the waves and large portions of the earth. France meanwhile is a major power in the world and desperately seeking revenge on Germany and reclaim Alsace-Lorraine. Russia is on the brink of collapse and in a pretty firm alliance with France in Europe. In the Far East Japan is growing and very nationalistic. They’ve beaten the Russians in a devastating war, the first non European nation to do so. They’ve recently acquired Korea, Taiwan, half of Sakhalin and the Kurrils, not to mention a large influence in China. China is really on the edge of implosion. And on the American continents, a sleeping giant called the United States of America waits and let’s the world do what it wants. Against it’s principals it has the Philippines and several pacific islands as dominions. Does this latest expansion mean the end of the Monroe Doctrine? It’s up to you to decide!

Everyone picks one nation, makes his fact book/diplomacy thread (where, obvious, small events and diplomatic issues are handled) which contains some information about his nation, his military etc. We’ll wait with starting until all major nations (US of A, Britain etc.) Some nations are already occupied, but loads of others are still free.

Don’t hesitate, You Country Wants YOU!

Japan: Warta Endor
Germany: Elite Battle Hordes
Russia: Sukiada
Switzerland: the Keltoi Tribe
Italy: Koryan
Spain: Haneastic
Great Britain: Needed!
United States of America: Needed!
France: Needed!
Austria-Hungary: Needed!
Rules

1. Respect other players, both IC and OOC. It’s ok to lose oneself in an RP, but don’t go too far.
2. Before you start RPing, make your fact book.
3. A decent knowledge of the history of the world and especially of your country is necessary. You can always search google for info or go to:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/
http://www.wikipedia.org

4. Have Fun! Enjoy! Remember, it’s a GAME!

That's the first post sofar. We'll have an OOC/Sign Up thread, a General IC thread and the factbook threads. In case of a war a new thread will be created.

Ideas? Objections?

it's all good

I have a test today, so I'll do the research tommorow. Sorry about that. -_-

I have a test today, so I'll do the research tommorow. Sorry about that. -_-

Doesn't mind, I'll post the real thing tomorrow. Good luck with your test!

What do you mean the real thing? Oh the real RP you have planned.

Yup:D

Give us a link to it when it happens though.

I will post it here, together with the links to the mean events thread.

Tadaaaaa! The New RP!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473341

Thanks. I will go there.