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Being rather interested in the twentieth century, and seeing how there is plenty focus on World War II and the non-existant World War III, I was thinking of starting up a roleplay on World War I.

The premise of the game is simple:

The date is July 1st, 1914. A few days after the assassination of Austrian Arch-Duke Franz Ferdinand. War has not yet been declared, but conflict is swiftly rising with arguements and conflict between the Serbian and Austrian governments. You can choose one nation that existed in that time period. Should you pick a colonial power, you would gain all of their colonies but may transfer ownership to another player if it is ok with both parties.

Making a seperate thread for your nation, with a bit of history, army size, economy, goals and political structure will be required. Also this will be the OOC thread, we will make an in-character one for the war itself.

This will only strictly follow the beginning of the war; outcomes other than an allied victory will be possible.

I'll upload a map sometime today when I get the chance and will post a list of taken countries as they are claimed. Also, if someone more experienced wishes to aid, or even assume control of moderating the thread, I would welcome their help.

I'll wait until we have a suitable size before we begin. (Only one Nation per person; regardless of how many NS nations you have). If you have any more questions, feel free to send a telegram and I will clarify and if need be, then post your Q & A in the thread.

So without further ado; let's get this started!


Europe:

Austria-Hungary (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463920): Reztles (Blue)
Belgium (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463980): Madnestan (Dark Green)
Bulgaria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10254202): Dex Aie (Lighter Yellow)
France: Elite Battle Hordes (Hot Pink)
Germany (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10252235#post10252235): Cantelmium (Red)
Italy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463905): Kathnar (Orange)
Netherlands (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464278): Fleckenstein (Grape?)
Ottomans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10253612&posted=1#post10253612): Abbassia (Neon Green)
Portuga (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10255488#post10255488)l: Koryan (Dark Purple)
Romania: Miltari (Purple)
Russia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10257147#post10257147): Sukiaida (Yellow)
Serbia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10260748#post10260748): Riptide Monzarc (Brown)
Spain (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10374001#post10374001): Haneastic (Black)
Switzerland: The Keltoi Tribe (Grey)
UK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10252593#post10252593): Topal (Teal)

http://www.geocities.com/therajou/1914europe.gif


Americas:
Mexico (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10300178#post10300178): Nvoak (Orange-Green)
USA (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10344573#post10344573): Titicus [/URL](Olive Green)

http://www.geocities.com/therajou/1914america.gif

Asian Pacific:
Japan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463840): Warta Endor (No Map Yet)

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IC World Overview (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10256218#post10256218)

I'll post links to the fronts as their opened up.

Balkan Front (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10321861#post10321861)
Western Front (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466433)
Iberian War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466190)
Eastern Front: German (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466549)
Eastern Front: Austria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10343452#post10343452)
Mexico-American Front (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10347664#post10347664)
Pacific Front (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10373037#post10373037)

I Want Canada yeeeeeeeeah

Austria-Hungary Please

*Bump*

OOC:common ppl! war war war!

Questions:
How will combat be handled?
Do we have to pick a country that was in World War I?
How fast will time flow?
Will there be moderators?
Will this RP take place here or off-site?

In any case, tentatively mark me down for the USA.

Questions:
How will combat be handled?
Do we have to pick a country that was in World War I?
How fast will time flow?
Will there be moderators?
Will this RP take place here or off-site?

In any case, tentatively mark me down for the USA.

1. Can you clarify this question a bit for me? I don't know too many different ways to R/P war. I was going to go with a mixture of: Realistics Statistics, Good Roleplaying and Mutual OOC understandings. (If that makes sense, I won't lie, I'm relatively new at this).

2. I would rather you pick a nation that was in World War I; that being said, a European Country that was neutral would be fine. Also, a colony would be acceptable (provided that its owner was ok with that). Most countries would be acceptable if they could/would realstically participate in the war.

3. Tentatively One Real Life Day = One Game Week

4. Yes, we have a potential Realism Mod --> Reztles.
I will serve as the Admin, and if someone wants to help/take-over that I would be grateful.

5. This RP will take place on an IC thread once we have enough people.

If that clarifies your questions, great! If not, i'll try again.

How close to real history would you like us to plan our attacks?

The War will begin with a stance that Europe was in prior to the First World War. This means, Austria-Hungary allied with Germany. France and Serbia allied with Russia. Belgium completely neutral. Etc...

As long as a realistic roleplay arises from a nations actions, anything reasonable can be deployed as a stratagey.

I would like to be Italy if that is alright with you.

France, please

Will each battle be played out to what happened in reality? Casulties... and such...

Britain for me. Those damn colonies are for me!!

*Bump*

When are we planning on starting this?

How close to real history would you like us to plan our attacks?

Maybe best visit the War Museum at Ypres first.

http://www.inflandersfields.be/default2.htm

Can I join as Japan?

ps. just a tip:

www.firstworldwar.com

it's a great site.

Australia Please.

Can't believe no one has taken the most populace country of that time. Russia. I'll take Russia.

There's a reason no one took Russia. It's unstable and it's economy is horrible.

May I join as Romania?
It's my first RP.

The Sickman of Europe, please.

AKA the dying Ottoman Empire

The Question about how historical battles will be:

The only historical accuracy that is mandatory is the STARTING Alliances and things that happened in the world until this point. Also, starting troops amounts must remain close. As the war goes on, this will obviously change, but it must start out historically accurate. Historical references will be useful in determining how things would play out, and try to stick to stratigies that still exist.

By the way, we can kick off the start of this war once we get a Serbia! Any takers?

Mactopia, you need to have Australia cleared with Topal (who is playing the UK) because you are still a colony of theirs.

I suggest determining troop numbers and alliances before we kick off the war, (perhaps posting them at a seperate thread?)

Making a seperate thread for your nation, with a bit of history, army size, economy, goals and political structure will be required. Also this will be the OOC thread, we will make an in-character one for the war itself.




Yeah, you should make an Ottoman Thread, talking about your recent history, Army size, allies, etc...

Oh Yeah...

Yet, it is a seperate country with its own army, under the supervision of UK. I don't mind if its OK with him. :D

Ill be The United States if its not taken

so...........

Ill be The United States if its not taken

Sorry, but I'm the USA. Perhaps you could play another country?

So where are we putting these things? In seperate threads or here?

And yes Russia did have all that, but it also had similar problems in 1941. And they still triumphed. Russias problem was stupid commanders during the war. THat's what lost the war. So yes I stick with good ol Russia.

Well this is dead so im not going to do it anyway.

What do you mean it's dead?

Yeah sorry, the USA is taken, but you can pick another country. Also, start your background threads (described on page one) and once we have a Serbia, we can start this up.

By the way, we can kick off the start of this war once we get a Serbia! Any takers?

I'll take Serbia

Looks like we're ready to start, once you make your nations factbook, post the link and I'll put it on the front page. We can kick it off today:

Game Date: July 1st, 1914: Days after the assassination of the Arch-Duke of Austria-Hungary. The game time will pass in One R/L day = One Game Week.

Hurrah! Let's get started, almost finished with my factbook...:D

Japan's factbook:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10252255#post10252255

Let him have Oz.

Where the hell you get those numbers from Warta Endor? My search on the internet for simialar numbers is failing....

for the navy:
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyJapanese.htm

for the army:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army

Britains Fact book, unfinished.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10252593#post10252593

Dammit! As usual, by the time I notice a promising earth-type RP all the good ones are already taken... :( Well, I guess Belgium is the best option of the remnants, with it I can hope to get into some action atleast, should the Germany "go Schlieffen" again (which I really hope it does, though I have no clue/hope to survive it).

So yea. Sign me up as the Big B.

Oh no. The country that drags me into the war.

Oh no. The country that drags me into the war.

Oh no, not at all! The thing that dragged UK in the war was not Belgium, but the idea of Balance in Europe that the Britons have always held very dear, and their imperialistic thinking.

The thing that'll drag YOU into the war is your wish to have an entertaining RP, so I'm really unguilty and should be freed of all charges! :D

Madnestan, your Belgium claim has been accepted. By the by, I checked the Japanese figures out earlier, they are accurate.

Keep those factbooks rollin' in!

One more semi-random question: how will conflicts with non-player nations be handled?

Maybe other players could RP the resistance or something...

BTW, when's the IC thread up? And can I post a Japanese Reaction on the assasination in my Factbook/diplomacy thread?

The best option for the non-played armies is IMO to let those player who happen to have least job at that moment to handle them.

@ Warta - Yes, you should post your IC response to what happened to the Arch-Duke in the Japanese thread. As for an IC thread, I'll take opinions, I was thinking about having a thread detailing the goings on around the world, with individual diplomacies in the fact books, and seperate threads for major battles.

@ Mad - I agree with that, whoever is least involved in that region/conflict could RP the nation.

Ottoman Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10253612&posted=1#post10253612)

By theway, does anybody have any information on the Ottomam Army?

Italian Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463905)

Can I please be Bulgaria?

This site http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWW.htm has some basic info on most of the armies.

is there any country that isn't taken like Spain or Greece? I would like to play if there is a spot, but i am new so I might need some help playing if it's a bit confusing, but I do have plenty of knowledge of World War 1. Also, I'd be interested to know how you will include technological advances like Captain Rolf's stormtroopers, poison gas, and tanks

is there any country that isn't taken like Spain or Greece? I would like to play if there is a spot, but i am new so I might need some help playing if it's a bit confusing, but I do have plenty of knowledge of World War 1. Also, I'd be interested to know how you will include technological advances like Captain Rolf's stormtroopers, poison gas, and tanks

Spain and Greece are both open, so pick one and welcome aboard.

Also, technological and tactical advances should be roleplayed with some level of realism: tanks should be introduced around the same time they were in the war maybe earlier or later depending on a nations economy tactics can be roleplayed successfully when there is a military leadership change, if it fits the period and reasoning. Just think, would they have done this in WWI and why?

I dont think I will waste my time on tanks in WW1 (even if it would benefit me for later if this rp reaches WW2). They just dont work in trench warfare.

If yall are looking for a modern day RP check this one out:

http://rwsimrp.proboards85.com/

I dont think I will waste my time on tanks in WW1 (even if it would benefit me for later if this rp reaches WW2). They just dont work in trench warfare.

They will if you use em properly ;)

(with plenty of supporting infantry, strong artillery support and air superiority)

is there any country that isn't taken like Spain or Greece? I would like to play if there is a spot, but i am new so I might need some help playing if it's a bit confusing, but I do have plenty of knowledge of World War 1. Also, I'd be interested to know how you will include technological advances like Captain Rolf's stormtroopers, poison gas, and tanks

The thing we are doing here is called FF-RP, Free Form Role Play. As the name says, it is based solely on our own writing. Nothing happens in the "game" or anything, basically we all just talk. That means nothing happens unless all that the solution concerns agree to it. Like battle movements and maneuvers the technological/doctrinal developments are, or atleast should, be made (read: written) in as realistic and enoyable manner as possible. It means that you do not come up with hundreds of tanks in 1914 or make your planes be equal to Me109.

A good basic rule when taking part in a RP is IMO to always be ready to lose. To do even apparently stupid "mistakes" and take setbacks. In that case the enemy is more likely willing to do them too, and this leads the players to consentrate more on good writing and colourful and enjoyable war stories instead of winning. As this is a RolePlay, not even a game, the question of "winning" and "losing" is IMHO actually quite irrelevant.

Hopely this helped :p


PS. The news thread's coming shortly.

They will if you use em properly ;)

(with plenty of supporting infantry, strong artillery support and air superiority)
That is if they even reach the battle field.

I dont think I will waste my time on tanks in WW1 (even if it would benefit me for later if this rp reaches WW2). They just dont work in trench warfare.

Actually, tanks are the only thing that works in trench warfare... :rolleyes:

I disagree. But thats just me.

Ottoman Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10253612&posted=1#post10253612)

By theway, does anybody have any information on the Ottomam Army?

Here's a worthy page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwone/middle_east_01.shtml

I dont suppose your going to attack in a completely different way are you Cantelmium? from the start I mean (e.g. not threw Belgium)

I disagree. But thats just me.

The main factor in making the west front move again. Of course the tanks are best when used in war of maneuver, on plains and flat ground, but trench warfare is what they were invented for. The basic, most important thing is the fact they can move under machnigun and artillery fire. Nothing else can/could.

I dont suppose your going to attack in a completely different way are you Cantelmium? from the start I mean (e.g. not threw Belgium)

Actually, it is not said Germany will even get into war with France ;) Everything's open at this point. Though the tensions between those two make it quite likely in case (=when) major European war takes place.

Heres the Bulgaria thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10254202.

Is Brazil avaliable? (Entered the war in 1917)

You could always attack Russia first. Wipe them out before they can even mobilise.

@ Koryan: Yes, Brazil is available, however, could you TG me an alternate name that you have used as you have 1 post as of right now?

@ Topal: Germany at the moment is appauled by the actions of the Serbian Black Hand and will obviously support Austrian-Hungarian action but hasn't yet heard from them and their COA. (We don't know what we're doing yet, but Germany will probably follow one of the two Schliffen (S/P) Plan settings IF it needs to) Obviously that was all OOC as I haven't had intimate interaction with anyone yet.

The main factor in making the west front move again. Of course the tanks are best when used in war of maneuver, on plains and flat ground, but trench warfare is what they were invented for. The basic, most important thing is the fact they can move under machnigun and artillery fire. Nothing else can/could.

Although My history lessons are pretty hazy, I distinctly remember my history teacher telling me that the tanks armour could not stop machine gun fire if its been fired at enough. And definatly not artillary fire, not a chance in hell. The engines back then were not powerful enough to push a tank with too much armour, as they were too heavy. Also having armour is great, but when you are stuck in no mans land in some shell's crater, it wont do you much good.

Of course, I could be wrong.

You could always attack Russia first. Wipe them out before they can even mobilise.

Propably the worst plan ever :D

"Go and wipe out the Russians"... Couple of guys who have planned that and suffered crushing, horrible and desicive defeat soon after come immediately in mind... And neither of those did have other major fronts to take care of at the same time.

Artillery cuts through ww1 tanks like a hot knife through butter ;)

Im guessing they'd be pretty vulnerable to machinegun bullets two.

Propably the worst plan ever :D

"Go and wipe out the Russians"... Couple of guys who have planned that and suffered crushing, horrible and desicive defeat soon after come immediately in mind... And neither of those did have other major fronts to take care of at the same time.

However in this time period Tannenburg and Masurian (sp?) lakes springs to mind.

Well, it was foremost a moral weapon. Imagine you've been in the trenches for weeks, fighting and enduring the hardships. Suddenly you hear a low rumbling noise. Carefully you look over the edge of the trench and you see an enormous, steel, car like thing rolling straight at you.

It happened frequently that the Germans just ran for their lives...

Although My history lessons are pretty hazy, I distinctly remember my history teacher telling me that the tanks armour could not stop machine gun fire if its been fired at enough. And definatly not artillary fire, not a chance in hell. The engines back then were not powerful enough to push a tank with too much armour, as they were too heavy. Also having armour is great, but when you are stuck in no mans land in some shell's crater, it wont do you much good.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Well, I'd say you are. That machinegun-thingy is not a real issue. I mean, yeah, sure, you can sink a battleships if you beat it with a hammer long enough, but I don't think that hammerbeating has ever been a major threat to them. To make it even more simple, when you are sitting in a trench, firing a machinegun, you point it at the nicoming mass of infantry, at it goes down as the bullets you fire penetrate their bodies and spill the blood out. Then you see a tank coming, point your machinegun at it and hear PING-PING-PING-PING instead of AAAAARGH!. You will not have time/guts to sit there and keep shooting for couple of hours, untill the ears of the tankers break up ('cause I think that is more of a problem than the breaking of the armour itself) and they flee.

About the artillery fire, yuo misunderstood what I was saying, but the fault is mine, I said it in a rather unclear manner. What I meant was that infantry unit cannot move under drum- or blocking fire (the translatios aren't very good, I know, but I have read books about WW1 only in Finnish) as it has to take cover. And losses. Tanks can. Of course they are blown to pieces when they take a direct hit, but she effect of shrapnells and fragments of HE's is much, much lighter than it is against infantry.

However in this time period Tannenburg and Masurian (sp?) lakes springs to mind.

...Just like Borodino from the first and Minsk, Kiev, Vjazma and countless other from the second trip do. And what was the outcome, may I ask?

EDIT: And besides, in Tannenburg and Masuria it wasn't really Germans attacking Russia, but more like beating the Russians who tried to invade Germany. It doesn't prove anything about invading Russia, only about German quality beeing superior to Russian quantity.

Just found a good site on Navy's here.

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk

...Just like Borodino from the first and Minsk, Kiev, Vjazma and countless other from the second trip do. And what was the outcome, may I ask?

In the example I gave the Russians sued for peace. (Ok, the revolution had something to do with it :D but they were close to collapse anyway). The Russians were sending whole divisions in battle without boots or rifles.

Propably the worst plan ever

Probs true. First thing I thought of.


Well, it was foremost a moral weapon. Imagine you've been in the trenches for weeks, fighting and enduring the hardships. Suddenly you hear a low rumbling noise. Carefully you look over the edge of the trench and you see an enormous, steel, car like thing rolling straight at you.
Definatly true although this affect obviously faded over time.


Well, I'd say you are. That machinegun-thingy is not a real issue. I mean, yeah, sure, you can sink a battleships if you beat it with a hammer long enough, but I don't think that hammerbeating has ever been a major threat to them.

Well its not quite a hammer is it? I mean it had alot more affect than that. Also heres a quote:
"Of the main attack, three of the six tanks got bogged, one broke down, and the other two continued towards the enemy line slowly, supporting the infantry, although the infantry did move ahead, away from the protection of the tanks."

In the example I gave the Russians sued for peace. (Ok, the revolution had something to do with it :D but they were close to collapse anyway). The Russians were sending whole divisions in battle without boots or rifles.

The thing is, Russians collected their army and then beated it against the German steel wall untill it was broken, and with it they broke the whole society. It was never about Germans advancing too fast and too deep and thereby causing defeat, which was what the Topal's plan suggested. "Wiping Russia out before they can mobilize." Had the Germans went all Napoleon and rushed deep into the motherland like they did couple of decades later, extending their communications and suplly lines, would the outcome been quite very different than it was now, when the war was mainly fought in Poland, very good German railroad system against very poor Russian one.

Never mind, I'll take Portugal. I can't find very many numbers for Brazil.

@ Cantelmium - I don't use any alternate names. I just haven't roleplayed here at NS yet.

Want to know the Secret to the Russian War Machine????





Winter....

From the Italy thread, OOC: Wow, well I take the potential army size as the amount of men an army could have overall. To think of it, that's propbly what he must have meant. The thing just is, by saying "Potential army size: 6 million" you say that your army could potentially have the size of 6 million men, and when it's Italy we're talking about, that's just something I cannot read without commenting.

And instead of keeping posting an then deleting what you write why dont you just edit your other posts...
I do know how to use the forum, thank you very much :p There's just something fucking it up all the time. My Mozilla and internet connection are both crashing quite freguently, and when this mysterious BulletTime-problem is added to that, shit like triplepost does happen.

Unfinished Austro-Hungarian World Factbook:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463920

Sorry for the misunderstanding :)

My internets just wrecked altogether :headbang:

Want to know the Secret to the Russian War Machine????

Winter....

That and poor roads/railroads, supported by fierce fighting and countless cossacks/partisans behind your lines. Invading even somewhat united Russia is equal to suicide.

OOC: i am having some difficulties on finding facts on Canada's military in WW1..i can find numbers and such but no exact troop type numbers such as Infantry..Airforce..Navy...the elements...

Sorry for the misunderstanding :)

My internets just wrecked altogether :headbang:

Np at all. And yeah, that's quite damn annoying. I have written my Belgium News Thread two times today, and both times something has crashed before I have posted it. Kinda sucks :(

Reallydrunk']OOC: i am having some difficulties on finding facts on Canada's military in WW1..i can find numbers and such but no exact troop type numbers such as Infantry..Airforce..Navy...the elements...

"Over 13,000 Canadians served with the British air services. Leading Canadian Air Aces included William Bishop, Raymond Collishaw and Donald MacLaren. About 3,000 Canadians joined the Royal Navy and another 5,100 sailors were recruited to protect Canadian waters."

From that I'd say Canada didnt actually have its own airforce or Navy and just joined the British versions, although i'm not sure.

Well, here's something about Canada: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWinCanada.htm

that link is not working properly? thank you for the assistance guys

Reallydrunk']that link is not working properly? thank you for the assistance guys

Should work now. It isn't much, but atlest something. :)

USA thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463949)

2 questions:

1.) can you still join?

2.) can you use a country not colored yet but played little part?


if both answer yes, the netherlands/holland, please.

maybe two small armies can stop the might armies of the kaiser!
yeah right :)

Sure, Holland sounds good. And why are you hating on the Kaiser, we were historical neutrals.

okay, i'll be Spain. here's the thread http://forums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10255261#post10255261

My puny lil' news thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463980

G2G to bed now, some drastical diplomacy's taking place tomorrow.:p

Portuguese Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10255488#post10255488)

Does anyone have a page with the population of Serbia in 1914?

EDIT!!!!-

I found the page with most populations in the world throughout the last century! It's http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/populhome.html

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10256525#post10256525-

Serbia Factbook

Could I please have Zew Zealand? (You have Austrailia so need New Zealanders.)

I’m thinking of joining this if it is still open.

Can you guys tell me something?
Whom is allied to who at this point? Is it still like real life or has somebody decided they wanted to join the other side?
This could change my decision of who I wish to play as since my favorite country is taken [Italy]. It’s for the best though, I know very little about naval combat.

Those who were allied in the begining. Let me do my factbook. Give me a second.

ANd here it is. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10257147#post10257147

this site http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/worldwar1/ has some good info.

People, PLEASE! Pay attention to what you write. No, no, NO, Russian "wartime army" is NOT 15 million men! They may have that many men (somehow) trained, but it certainly is not the strength of their army.

Wartime army = the army nation has in use when it is in war. With Russia, that number is not 15 million, let me guarantee you. Somewhere near 4,5 million men with rifles.

Number of trained men isn't the number of men serving at the same time.

EDIT: And, to be accurate, several sources indicate that the population of Russia was a bit under 150 million, not 166m. But that isn't really a major issue, of course.

Do we post communication between nations in each others threads?

what's happening? am i in or what?

i know the dutch were in a state of armed neutrality with restrictions on voting for the duration of the war.
Neutrals can always be persuaded.

since there is a limited amount of info on my forces, i'll use the 500,000 extra mobilized troops plus maybe, say, 250,000?

besides, its not like the dutch were truly neutral
the word neutral comes from ne uter (=none of both), but in the Netherlands making a choice was a near thing: commander-in-chief General C.J. Snijders had a strong liking for the 'invincible' Germany.
http://www.greatwar.nl/ (neutral army)

how are battles/communications being done? off site?

shall we begin?

Sure, Holland sounds good. And why are you hating on the Kaiser, we were historical neutrals.

Perhaps this is to clear it out a bit? ;)

Do we post communication between nations in each others threads?

I believe that's the plan. That's why I gave my factbook also a sort of Diplomatic role.

Iv found some interesting stuff on the Bulgarian army :D

"A graphic account of the Bulgarian infantry's predilection for the bayonet was written by an Austrian war correspondent. "When it came to realities the Bulgarian infantry raised their charging shout 'Na nos!' ('With the knife!' i.e. the bayonet), paying no regard to modern tactical theory. Four hundred paces or even more in front of the enemy's position, whole regiments in the firing line would rise up and hurl themselves upon the Turks in one irresistible rush, without pausing, without firing, and disdaining all cover. Each Bulgar longed to run his bayonet into the body of a Turk, and officers were powerless to control the excitement of their men. Even a regiment that was following in support would raise the wild battle cry and hurl itself upon the enemy, perhaps at the call of one of its sergeants, taking no notice whatever of the officers' orders to halt and lie down."

This accounts from the 1st Balkan war.

About the armies of Europe, I got these statistics:

Moblisation strentgh: Amount of trained personell: Men fit for service:

Germany:..............3.9million...............4.9m........................9.75m
Austria-Hungary:....2.3m.....................3m..........................6.12m
France:................3.794m..................5.067m....................5.94m
Russia:.................5.0m.....................7m..........................17.0m
England:...............0.2m
Belgium:................0.3m
Serbia-Montenegro:0.44m

They are from a book,Maailmansodan Historia, osa 1. (translates simply to History of the World War, part 1), written in 1937 by Lieutenant Colonel Hannula, Finland. I think they are worth relying on.

urgh beaten by Belgium....ah well I suppose I am an island.

Are there any figures for Bulgaria?

And I have colonies.....

Are there any figures for Bulgaria?

From the chapter about the second attempt to conquer Serbia, I found the following:

"...Bulgarian 1st army (General Bogadjev) included four strong divisions, 110,000men alltogether. It was supposed to push straight to Morava river. South from it attacked the weaker 2nd Army (General Todorov), 50,000 men. In addition to these, Bulgarian army had some 140,000 men positioned along the Rumanian and Greek borders. Bulgarian armed forces were commanded by general Jekov, but the 1st Army formed together with the Austrias 3rd and Germanys 11th army one Army Group, commanded by Field Marshall v.Mackensen..."

And I have colonies.....

Colonial manpower was not included in those figures. If that's what you're talking about.

From the chapter about the second attempt to conquer Serbia, I found the following:

"...Bulgarian 1st army (General Bogadjev) included four strong divisions, 110,000men alltogether. It was supposed to push straight to Morava river. South from it attacked the weaker 2nd Army (General Todorov), 50,000 men. In addition to these, Bulgarian army had some 140,000 men positioned along the Rumanian and Greek borders. Bulgarian armed forces were commanded by general Jekov, but the 1st Army formed together with the Austrias 3rd and Germanys 11th army one Army Group, commanded by Field Marshall v.Mackensen..."

Thanks. :)

But the British Army (the units stationed in Great Britain) was a highly trained, effective volunteer force. The BEF had much smaller numbers but were a serious hindrance for the Germans in august 1914. It was a disaster for the British when the original BEF was wiped out in the first year of the war. They had no other trained men, they didn't even had conscription...

Silly Brits:p

My mistake, I was on another computer when I OKed Holland so I was never able to update the map.

Your still in though, no worries.

@ Serbia and Austria-Hungary:

We're kind of waiting on you folks: (It's hard to ally yourself in a war that hasn't happened yet).

Colonial manpower was not included in those figures. If that's what you're talking about.

Yeh I know. I was just....never mind.

But the British Army (the units stationed in Great Britain) was a highly trained, effective volunteer force. The BEF had much smaller numbers but were a serious hindrance for the Germans in august 1914. It was a disaster for the British when the original BEF was wiped out in the first year of the war. They had no other trained men, they didn't even had conscription...

Silly Brits:p

bah. BEF RULE.

bah. BEF RULE.

The BEF sure did rule, it was just:
a)to small
b)thrown away by incompetent commanders.

I will lead them well. I hope.

I will lead them well. I hope.

As ally I hope the same! Otherwise Brave Japanese Samurai are always ready to help;)

Where is our France, btw? Has anyone heard of him?

He just posted his factbook, so...

Bulgarian factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10254202

Now I really want to know... Is there something wrong in my English, or doesn't the Possible Army Size mean the size of the army one could possibly have? In other words, the amount of troops under its flags at the same time?

Isn't this what it means?

Ahhh, well. I think they just have to learn. If I would do the same Japan would have an army of 4 million ;) Possible Army Size does means the maximum amount of troops a nation can have at the same time. But if everyone went to maximum at once, they'd ruin their economy. And not too forget, nobody reckoned with a war that would last for several years with millions of men in the field...

There's a word for what Italy, Russia, Germany and Bulgaria are doing. And that's GODMODDING. Especially Germany and the 8-and-a-half million men army, shees... :rolleyes:

Just to clarify something. I'm pretty aware of what Godmodding IS and ISN'T. My standing army is 700,000 men.

*Scratch that*

I was going to try to justify my answer, based on something I found saying Germany raised their army to 8.5 million when war was declared. That is probably erroneous, so rather than justify my mistake I will remedy it.

But PLEASE do not accuse me of godmodding. That is not at all my intention and a simple complaint or quere would have rectified the situation just the same.

EDIT: According to THIS (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWgermanA.htm)I made a large error (I'll find the original article that gave me the ABSURDLY large army if you want). However, according to this, my army in 1914 IS 700,000 men. Please accept my apologies, my mistake.

I beg for understanding, insulting of any kind was never in my intentions. I just have a habit of calling things with their real names. Stating to be able to mobilize as army roughly two times as big as it IRL was is in fact GM. I am not trying to judge&execute anybody, as I am not even a mod of any sort in this RP, just to point out impossibilities in posting.

I deeply apologize if someone was offended because of what I said about godmodding... but godmodding it still was ;)

EDIT: NP at all. We all do mistakes.

Please dont call me a godmodder. I find the term "maximum army size" extremely ambigous - therefore I took it to mean the number of troops who realistically fought throughout the whole war. If someone would explain to me what they meant then i will gladly change it. For one i feel the "potential" army size is irrelevant - I will only be using the actual army size.

In fact il just remove it altogether :)

I think that I shall also delte the potential army size from my factbook. I also agree that this is not godmodding.

have you included Spain yet? the factbook is on page 7

Excuse me, but can I have New Zealand?

Woot! Lets go!

I allow someone to take my colony New Zealand.

No the Russian Army did grow to the size of 15 million by the time it finished the war. That's the possible manpower it raised. SO yes during wartime it DID reach that number. That's not inaccurate.

Can I play as Abyssinia? It may be in Africa, but I'd be bordering colonies of 3 different countries and could field Askari to be used against African colonies.

Plus it has no Naval force, so I don't have to worry about being out of my element...yeeeeet.

Edit: it would take a littlewhile to get a factbook together, but since I'm not an important power in the war it wouldn't matter.

No the Russian Army did grow to the size of 15 million by the time it finished the war. That's the possible manpower it raised. SO yes during wartime it DID reach that number. That's not inaccurate.

Every bit of information I have declares the opposite. I would like to see you to present any kind of an evidence to support that ridiculous claim. Number of Russian troops has not once been over 6 million in that war.

Now I really want to know... Is there something wrong in my English, or doesn't the Possible Army Size mean the size of the army one could possibly have? In other words, the amount of troops under its flags at the same time?

Isn't this what it means?

That depends on what you mean. It could mean Men Fit for Service, which is another thing entirely. For example, the United States of America has about 66 Million individuals fit for military service, but only has an army of 300,000. Why? If you put all of those 66 Million people into the Armed Forces, the economy would quickly implode.

And we're waiiiiiting on Austro-Hungary.

I think we're doing this wrong Manteen. I think we need to recommunicate or get on the same page. 15 million is the amount of Russians who served from 1914 to 1917. They didn't serve at the same time.

Let's go at it like this. During the US Civil War over 700,000 Confederate troops served. However, about 1/3rd of those are home guard. A large part are mustered out for health reasons after a month. So maybe 1/4th actually serve as front line soldiers.

So did 15 million RUssians serve during the war. Yes there are a dozen different books that state so, but does that mean that 15 million served at one time, and as front line troops. About 4 or 5 million are defunct because they were raised during the end of the RUssian conflict and were effectivly useless. That leaves 10. Now if we take the 1/3rd rule as those defending the homeland within it's borders or secondary troops, that means we have about 6 to 7 million respectivelly serving on the Eastern front. With a couple thousand who were moved towards the Western front, though I believe they never exceeded the Portuguese numbers who really only supplied a few regiments.

In conclusion and in effect to this game. I start out with 1,400,000 men in the 4 Army groups, and eventually have a sustenable army of about 6 to 7 million with the ability to replenish it from a cashion of men of a total of about 15 million. Over 4 years of course. If I can keep RUssia from having too many overwhelming defeats that is. And if I can get my peasants in factories to get a navy that isn't totally in the toliet.

I found this (http://www.johndclare.net/causes_WWI2.htm)useful site.

It tells standing armies, AND reservist forces.

For example: Germany has a standing army of 2.2 million and also had 8.5 million reservists.

So I think that earlier having posted what effictively works as LESS than what Germany had (I had a standing army of 700,000 and 8.5 mill potential) would NOT classify as godmodding.

I shall adjust accordingly.

This should solve our problems...

I think that includes through the start of the war. Actually before the war has started, and the statistics would be alot lower.

But I could be wrong.

And we're waiiiiiting on Austro-Hungary.

Actually I think we are waiting on your response to the demands made by Austria-Hungary in your factbook.

Russia never had the infrastructure, ammunition/weapon/equipment industry not to mention enough officers to sustain a field army of more than 6 million fighting men at the same time. This is a given fact.
When the war begun, they had 5 million, armed pretty well actually, but had horrendous shortages of ammunition in the very next year already, their officer/men-ratio was the worse than in Ottoman army and replacement troops were drawn into units with less than 2 weeks training.

Germany's army, in its heights, had some 4 million men in the fronts at the same time.

That's all I have to say about this issue, really. Do as you like.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464278

the netherlands is up and ready to go!

NOTE: due to the lack of #'s on the dutch in wwi, please forgive my assumptions. I find them quite modest, considering one(!) logistics fact was available (the men called up).
Again, i apologize in advance for any problems. let me know anything i forgot/neglected/lazy!

I found this (http://www.johndclare.net/causes_WWI2.htm)useful site.

It tells standing armies, AND reservist forces.

For example: Germany has a standing army of 2.2 million and also had 8.5 million reservists.

So I think that earlier having posted what effictively works as LESS than what Germany had (I had a standing army of 700,000 and 8.5 mill potential) would NOT classify as godmodding.

I shall adjust accordingly.

This should solve our problems...
700,000 was the number at the beginning of the war, within' a few weeks the reserves were being brought up and the number grew quite a bit.

BTW, I am still waiting to be told if I will be accepted or not.

Some of Australias Stats are under the British page. Thanks.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10264936#post10264936

By the by: I wasn't trying to cause a conflict, just verifying the fact that Germany did have a pool of 8.5 million men available. It wouldn't be cost effective/prudent to try to deploy all of them at once. I was merely confirming my pool of "resources." Also, I only posted 2.2 million as my current army size assuming that it wouldn't be used until mobilization. If I am for some reason attacked before I am mobilized, then I will refer to the 700,000 number.

And Voxio, T/G me about your country/factbook.

And if Spain (if Voxio is spain, forgive my mistake) is still desiring to play, please T/G me about it. (The "Spanish factbook" link doesn't work).

I apologize for people still applying to this thread, I've been working alot lately and have been disorganized. If you need approval or have a ? just T/G me, it's more effective.

ALSO: I was thinking we'll make 3 threads:

Western Front
Eastern Front
Balkens Theatre

Does this sound like it would be an effictive proposal?

I want to join. I will take a country, but just tell me a country to be. I will take any important country left.

ALSO: I was thinking we'll make 3 threads:

Western Front
Eastern Front
Balkens Theatre

Does this sound like it would be an effictive proposal?
Just make sure the date remains constant between the threads. I've seen them have a tendency to get a little mixed up which causes confusion between the threeads.

Actually I think we are waiting on your response to the demands made by Austria-Hungary in your factbook.

Oh, snap! I'm sorry about that.

I think we might need a Middle East thread, and an African one for the colonial conflicts. Maybe a pacific one two (for Japan and the German pacific colonies).

I think we might need a Middle East thread, and an African one for the colonial conflicts. Maybe a pacific one two (for Japan and the German pacific colonies).

Plus perhaps fwe "Great Battles"-special threads. Like Tannenburg, Dardanelles, Verdun and so on. But East, West and South Theater Threads are a good, basis, and rest may be added when need arises.



About the rather silly debate that has been on the last few days... It's mainly because of me and my stubbornes, and has taken more room than a detail like it should. Therefore I'll end it from my part now. I will not say anything about the Wartime Army: 15 Million that stands there in the Russian news thread anymore. None of Belgias business, really. :p



Anyways. what's the date now? Is there a system with it, meaning that a IRL day means a specified time in the game world? Or is it just floating?

I thought twas 1RL day=2IC weeks...

And as long Jolt is acting sh*tty I doubt we can RP decently. I got a lot of problems getting on the Forums, so...:(

Dont say 1RL= any amount of time. That can be a problem fitting it with Rl life.
Also whos to say all those fronts will even open?

I dunno, but I think the Pacific will be active...;)

I would like to ask: historically, only France and Russia had a millitary alliance together, right? so if Russia declares war on Germany, only France is obliged to declare war in accord with the treaty, right?

That was the big problem. But you can always ignore a treaty and go your own way, but it will have a shocking effect on other nations. They won't trust you anymore.

I don't know, the French most certainly would like a shot to get back the area of Alasce-Lorraine back.

Great Britain isn't obliged to declare war, right?

Only if Belgium is invaded.

By the way...

a) Can I please be the Bolsheviks?
b) What is the date so far?

BUMP

Is it dead so fast?

It shouldnt be. It better not be! I was looking forward to the start...

Me too! Ah well, we could RP that the joint Anglo-Japanese Alliance dominates the world ;)

Uh... isn't anyone doing anything? We need a war here, people! :p

I think our Austria and Serbia gave out on us. :(

Damn! That sucks!

I could take over as Austria-Hungary :D

Austria-Hungary should be back up and kickin' tommorow.

As for me, I've had some serious problems outside of NS and haven't been able to respond as quickly as I'd like. I hope you accept my apology.

Fear not, it's not dead.

Can i be South Africa?

We need France.

Im out. This is going nowhere and I have other RP's springing up.

awwww, no! Damn, lost my only ally:(

...Now we have neither UK nor France. Not looking too good.

This is really going down. Without the two major players...

As much as I hate them I will be the French.

Sorry for the lull.

It turns out Austria has declared war, and Germany has backed their proposal. Both nations are mobilizing there forces in a war against Serbia (and potentially France and Russia).

EBH you're accepted as the New France and we need a new Britain ASAP.

Again, I apologize for the dely as I had the personal problems as previously mentioned.

Post declarations of War on the IC thread to keep this easy to sort.

Fronts will open as they are created.

EDIT: By the way.

Since jolt has been down on and off and I have been absent. Today's events are the 8th of July 1914.

One day = One game week.

While that may be a bit troublesome, because of the small time frame, an absent day or two won't be too damaging.

However, if anyone has a better idea, let me know!

Sounds good, let's roll!

By the way, Germany has recently sent out a bunch of telegrams and letters, so check your factbooks!

I'm busy with a very long reply (which includes a number of orders...:rolleyes: )

Posted reply...

You want me to rejoin cantelmium......Ok.

Awesome! Good to hear Topal!

Hola Senors

I will be playing Mexico. Hmm not much else to say other than I will ba posting my book up shortly

My factbook

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10300178#post10300178

ooc. as for trench warfare, the French absolutly hated the idea of trench warfare. They fully believed in offensive à outrance. They had no experience and training for it in 1914. The British had limited experience from the Boer wars and so have the Balkan countries (from the Balkan wars). The Japanese and Russians had quite a lot of experience from the Russo-Japanese war.

As for the Real life warplans, which might be interesting to read:

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/plans.htm

You cant be too surprised if he uses foresight in this case, without foresight the RP would go exactly as the RL WW1 went. He is going to make some decisions that no-1 at the time would of made, just as I plan to. However treaches so early on the boarder are slightly unreal.

You cant be too surprised if he uses foresight in this case, without foresight the RP would go exactly as the RL WW1 went. He is going to make some decisions that no-1 at the time would of made, just as I plan to. However treaches so early on the boarder are slightly unreal.

Of course he can and he should use different strategies and do different desicions that people did IRL. The thing just is that at this time, digging in was not a choise for the French leaders. It was not even considered. Using trench system from the very beginning would be same as using tanks from the start, or using weapons that only other countries had. The main weakness of the French army was the incapability of their leaders to fight defensively.

In other words, if he is to build up trench defense at this point, every officer and NCO from Lieutenant General to Sergeant is going to fuck it up. They don't know how to do it, neither WHY to do it as they have been told for four-and-a-half decades that attack, and attack only, is the way out.

Well, I was actually planning on attacking. I was going to use the trenches to prevent the Germans from encroaching on French land while I was busy attacking.

Good to see this RP finally moving on, one question though:

How long does it take for a message to reach its destination? Since this a time where international telephone lines aren't exactly present, are they?

There was a quite elaborate telegraph network, wired and wireless. Messages between capitols etc. should come through quickly.

=within a day.

concur :p

Just a small question. I have begun mobilization with factory conversion, drafting, new divisions, etc. How would I get the numbers to update my army size? Obviously advanced censuses didn't exist in most countries back then so there's no real way to learn just how many men that would draft.

could you maybe do something with the population, like 1/10 of the pop is combat eligible or something. also, how do we do moral, and combat readiness, lke new recruits being less experienced?

could you maybe do something with the population, like 1/10 of the pop is combat eligible or something. also, how do we do moral, and combat readiness, lke new recruits being less experienced?

Man, this is not a computer game. There are no rules, no troops combat value stats, no dices rolling. That just isn't how RP works. You just write stories or reports of what your men are doing. If you're a fair player, and know that the troops you are ordering to attack enemy fortress aren't any guard elites, but a bunch of recently recruited newbies, you are ready to tell us about harder losses and that this attacking force is not really that great. When your opponent responds to your post, he can tell about the successes of his own men accordinly. You get the idea?
I know I am not the best teacher, sorry :rolleyes:

But read the stickies, if you haven't yet. They give some good pieces of advice.


About the amounts of troops, 1/10 is usually a pretty good guideline, though whether your country is able to achieve or even exceed that percentage depends on a great number of factors. The level of industrialisation and number of officers/academies for them, plus the patriotic spirit of your nation are perhaps the most important ones.
Serbia for example reached 16% of it's population serving in the military, mostly because of foreign supplies that made it possible to take people from factories and farms to the frontline, and the usage of kids even young as 15. The whole people was ready to fight, because of the spirit of it was great indeed. At the same time Austria had great difficulties with 8%, because of such a great part of their population (Czechs, Slovaks, Croats, Serbians, Albans, Moslems, Poles...) was hostile towards the monarchy and the military that represented it. They also lacked good and reliable officers after the slaughter of Galizia early in the war.

So, basically, it depends on the nation. There is no universal rule, except perhaps that usually about 10% of population are males between 17 and 45.

Hello? Can I be the Bolsheviks? I'd be mainly a small player, unless the war starting going against Russia.

okay, so the population of Spain was 20 million around 1914, so it could raise 2 million soldiers, even though only maybe half a million or more might actually be in the army at one time

okay, so the population of Spain was 20 million around 1914, so it could raise 2 million soldiers, even though only maybe half a million or more might actually be in the army at one time

Or, if 2 million would be drafted, your whole country would be dependant on foreign support in means of equipment and supplies. You also lack in educated and trained officer class to form standard quality units. Most of those 2 million would be just armed, if even that!, mass.

So we have a Spain Portugal Front, kind of. Do we really have any others? Where's the action! The Death! The Gore! The impossible number of deaths! Come on you scurvy dogs! Get those troops a marching! Heh, but in all seriousness is it just going slow?

Well, concerning the Spain-Portugal Front. I won't start it because Germany isn't really involved in that conflict yet. If one of them wants to create it, I'll link to it on the Front Page.

Also, Germany is pretty much ready to go, but Russia and France have yet to declare war. Serbia should be dealt with shortly.

Due to the lack of an actual world war, I'm leaving. The USA is now open for play.

Due to the lack of an actual world war, I'm leaving. The USA is now open for play.

People who have a social life may perhaps have something else to do during weekends than fight an NS war, if you haven't realized. We HAVE that war going, or atleast starting (because, like in all good RP's, the war isn't started by saying "I ATTACK!" but after plenty of diplomatics, preparation and planning.) and it doesn't look bad at all. Your desicion is truly a hasty one.

EDIT: ...not to even mention the war Mexico seems to be waging against US.

Nvoak, I don't think Emiliano Zapata and Pancho Villa were, not to mention called themselves "socialists". If anything, Zapata was an anarchosyndicalist. Neither of them would have used even that name neither, though.

France won't attack unless Russia does, as there is no treaty between France and Serbia. Who is Russia, and why haven't they attacked yet?

I sent him a telegram about the war, just to remind him, so maybe he'll declare war on me sometime today.


Hopefully...

Balkan Front is open:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10321861#post10321861

Reztles, you can't say "Another 135,000 march towards Novi Sad, the first stop on the road to Belegrade, from Vinkovci who crossed the Danube sometime last week.". Danube is their most important line of defense, and if the Serbians have any brains at all they will fight hard to defend it. This is the same as saying "My troops are moving towards Paris from the Maginot Line they broke last week."

You have to give him an opportunity to respond to your posts from the very first hours of the war.

Yeah, I was kindof in a rush when i posted.

What i probaly should of said was, they began to cross sometime last week. Leaving the Serbians time to respond to my attempt.
Figure it would take some time to cross even with no resistance???
Big River?

the "sometime last week" could be the departure from Vinkovci?

awaiting Serbian Respons to my recent troop movments.

Could somebody not involved in the Balkan War make Prince Wilhelm's decision for me? The question is in the Balkan Front thread, thanks. Also if war is chosen then who would like to RP the Albanians?

I can do it, if it's ok with everyone.

I second Madnestan's offer. He's pretty solid so I'm sure he'll R/P anything fairly.

Azul division moved from Bodajoz and moved toward Elvas, encountering startled patrols and hasty defensive positions
Startled patrols? Hasty defenses? These guys just fought a Spanish patrol a few days ago and both countries have been on the brink of war for days. Patrols, especially around major cities like Elvas, would be plenty prepared by now.
the Azul division advanced, pushing past strong points for the follow up division to take care of.
Most men don't just keep walking down the road when they have bullets and artillery shells exploding around them.
The lead battalion managed to slip between two Portuguese units, but suddenly found itself cut off as the units met together.
An army of 10,000 soldiers isn’t too hard to miss, especially after they've been firing guns and cannons at other patrols.
The rest of the division assaulted the Portuguese positions, driving them back 5 miles, capturing Vila Real de Santo Antonio, but receiving heavy casualties.
Portuguese soldiers may not be the best army in the world, but they wouldn't surrender a fortified city to a battered, exhausted army. Btw, Ayamonte and Vila Real are on opposite sides of a river connected by a bridge. Where could they have avoided and fought with two patrols on a road?

Haneastic, dude, you need to look at some maps and read Euroslavia's godmoding thread.

Heh, Sorry about the socialist comment. I realize that they aren't really socialists in the sense of the word. However Zapata is considerable more social minded and was looking for the right word. Sometimes my total grasp of English isn't all it's made out to be. *eyeshift* I'll get right on it to fix it.

Otherwise, my only issue is that, since Middle Snu withdrew as America. Who am I going to be waging war on? Hmm...I don't know if Mexico is that over eager to go up against a nation 4 times it's size. At least with no allies. But Still how would you all suggest I procede, wait til we get another America?

Just curious on that, because I know that if it's just me over here in the new world, Mexico's going to marching on Denver within the month, *wink*.

Good luck on all your respective battles.

Sorry my weekend computer abilities are not exactly available at this moment. So I will be on during the week to make plans and to do things. I apoligize again. RUssia will begin it's decent into the madness of war now. So let me find these links and all. ALRIGHT!!

Soo let me see, found it, by the way does anyone know where to find the naval locations of Russia? I can't seem to find it.

Russia, I am pleased to hear your response, but you haven't mentioned mobilization until this point. Its gonna take you a couple of R/L days to pull it off. When the REAL war broke out, you were more prepared and STILL only had TWO armies available.

Also, Germany isn't invading you, so how do your men plan to slow my advance.

Sorry, small stuff, just felt the need to mention it.

I can do it, if it's ok with everyone

Thats fine with me. Lets get ready for some guerilla warfare. I should get a post up some time tomorrow.

first off the map i've seen isn't awesome. i was assuming that the Spanish troops achieved the element of surprise and originally hit patrols who didn't know what was going on. as for the moving past strong points, that was a major strategy used by both sides. they would isolate areas that kept fighting so they wouldn't be slowed down, and sent later units to take care of them
here's the Iberian war thread, sorry if its a little bland
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466190

Ahhh, but the basis of most of those armies were still there. Like the second army at this moment of early mobilization is about 1/3rd full, which is why it was pulled back to wait for more of it's men to be filled. THe fourth and fifth army are barely viable forces, and so are being kept in place. The first army is being kept there and ordered for a possible attack by Germany. THey're an insurance policy. Attacking with them would be stupid, and having them dig in completely wouldn't be prudent in the face of a good German advance, so they are ordered in case of that event what to do. It's an in case of.

As for the third and eigth army, I believe since the RUssians were always more prepared for the war with AH, that those two armies would be the ones with the majority of their compliment of soldiers. So see the location of them makes perfect sense.

And uhh anyone know how to tell where my navy is stationed? I have no idea.

France has finished mobilizing. Now that Russia has declared war on Germany, France does too. French forces along the southern half of the French-German border begin advancing. (I can't say how many of my forces are advancing or anything as I haven't yet found the French historical military makeup.)

I must say, Sukiaida, that "bad wether" is somewhere between hilarious and idiotic explanation for Russia beeing inactive. Seriously, the biggest empire in the world is NOT isolated from the world due the bad weather, no matter how poor are their communications. It isn't like one single telegraph line between Moscow and Rest Of The World. Not that it matters at this point though, but I still recommend you to change it to something a bit more believable... :rolleyes:

Well it couldn't have been something as trivial as not knowing who to side with. By 1914, Russia knows without a doubt who it's going to war with. And you are right, it's not 100% isolated from the world, but in 1914, hell in 1940 it still had problems communicating with the outside world. So no weather limiting their responce due to a blackout is not so far fetched as you think. Besides anything else stated would be just as far out there.

Hey, the Western Front is open.

I acknowledge war declerations from Russia, Britain and France. If anyone has declared war on Germany, let me know before attacking because otherwise I can't respond.

P.S. Oh yeah, Japan declared war on me too. Forgot that!

Good Luck and Good RPing Everyone!

So should I open a thread for the Eastern Front: Germany and an Eastern Front: Austria Hungary. Cause personally with the LARGE amount of land we have to cover, I'd think that we need both.

I personally think only one eastern front will be necessary for now, however if you wish to open both be my guest.

I think opening both would be in our best interests. So

Eastern Front: Germany

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10343352#post10343352

Eastern Front: Austria Hungary

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10343452#post10343452

Alright that's it. Have fun.

Well, I am in a rather precarious situation as I should've encountered a French/Belgian response by now. Luxembourg should have fallen and so should've Liege. My forces should be engaging Western allies left and right but since my enemies have chosen not to respond, I am forced to wait (while OF COURSE my enemies gather more forces).

Fellow RPers, it is VITAL that you respond to the war at hand. My hands are TIED at the moment while all I can do is wait for you to respond.

Please respond.

--Germany

I was wondering if the US is open, as it says on the front page? I am willing to take them

Awesome! Your onboard, however to let you know Mexico is ready to attack you and the date is August 26, 1914.

Welcome to hell!

EDIT: Can you throw up a factbook ASAP?

OOC: yes, given an hour or two. Hell await...

and...

USA factbook

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10344573#post10344573

IC:
With its first statement since the inception of events in Europe, the United States condemns agressive action taken by the nations of Europe and urges that common ground can still be found, and peace created.

The US will not take part in this action at this time, until it is more prepared or deems that its interests will be better served in joining.

Woot! An America to beat down. :) I'll go get cracking

Considering that Mexico at that time was still in the midst of a Civil War with itself, a "beat down" Isn't exactly what I'd call it.

And dear Germany, I would attack you, but I am not willing to make the mistakes of my predeccesors. I will happily stay where I am until I take care of someone else.

Cantelmium, I would respond, but I don't yet have the French military composition of the time.

Look here, it's a big help.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWinFrance.htm

Just to inform you, Pacific-Asian Front Thread is going up tomorrow. I'll continue my RPing concerning knocking Germany out of the Pacific then.

I realize this is a tad late, but could i join as the HR (helvetic republic). And if so, could someone brief me on what's been going on plz?

You wanna join as the what?

I think that's Greece

thats switzerland

US and Mexico are at war

Spain and Portugal fought a war

the Eastern and Western fronts (Allies and Central p-owers) are currently going at it

also I was wondering about portugal defeating spain, but it makes some sense until I read that Portugal was sending 600,000! troops from Africa.

That doesn't seem to be possible, and I think it is faulty. Just because you have the population doesn't mean you have the means to send it or that you can just raise an army from natives like that.